Comments on: Updated 308 Turbo with panoramic glass roof http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:11:59 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: patchong http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-257015 patchong Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:20:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-257015 any comment on peugeot407? any comment on peugeot407?

]]> By: adilzblade http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-254306 adilzblade Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:22:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-254306 After a month of considering, i finally ended up booking the Pug 308 Turbo against the Civic 1.8. Price for price, the Pug has more features and panoromic roof is just simply awesome. After a month of considering, i finally ended up booking the Pug 308 Turbo against the Civic 1.8. Price for price, the Pug has more features and panoromic roof is just simply awesome.

]]> By: azmankmn http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-250816 azmankmn Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:02:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-250816 To those interested in peugeot 308 but worry about fuel consumption then go 4 non-turbo model, it is understandable that the emblem 'tubbo' will cost a bit more in fuel consumption. Some of us here could not even understand about differentiation between sunroof vs panoramic roof, DO NOT COMMENT IF U DO NOT KNOW THE FACT!! To those interested in peugeot 308 but worry about fuel consumption then go 4 non-turbo model, it is understandable that the emblem ‘tubbo’ will cost a bit more in fuel consumption. Some of us here could not even understand about differentiation between sunroof vs panoramic roof, DO NOT COMMENT IF U DO NOT KNOW THE FACT!!

]]> By: azmankmn http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-250815 azmankmn Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:56:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-250815 My mrs & I test drive peugeot 308 turbo & 407 yesterday. We decide to get one, tmrw we're going to pay the booking for 308 turbo, the only problem is to decide the colour! My mrs & I test drive peugeot 308 turbo & 407 yesterday. We decide to get one, tmrw we’re going to pay the booking for 308 turbo, the only problem is to decide the colour!

]]> By: Claude http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-250305 Claude Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:04:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-250305 Wah! after reading all the comments here I think the 308 turbo will be a good buy. Of course some are more kiasu. Want to buy a car with good resale value. You not second and dealer lah! People buy car to drive for a few years, then only sell when want to upgrade. You think everyone change car every year meh??? Scare spare parts expensive then buy motorbike or better bicycle then maintenance damn cheap loh. Or take public transport no need to incur maintenance cost or pump petrol. I think I will go test drive and buy one for my wife. When the 308 was first launched, went to see liao. Now with glass roof lagi best. Glass roof ada class lah, pay RM2888 is nothing. For a conti car, cannot comment on the price tag already. Wah! after reading all the comments here I think the 308 turbo will be a good buy. Of course some are more kiasu. Want to buy a car with good resale value. You not second and dealer lah! People buy car to drive for a few years, then only sell when want to upgrade. You think everyone change car every year meh???

Scare spare parts expensive then buy motorbike or better bicycle then maintenance damn cheap loh. Or take public transport no need to incur maintenance cost or pump petrol.

I think I will go test drive and buy one for my wife. When the 308 was first launched, went to see liao. Now with glass roof lagi best. Glass roof ada class lah, pay RM2888 is nothing. For a conti car, cannot comment on the price tag already.

]]> By: Frenchconnection http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-246655 Frenchconnection Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:52:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-246655 Bro, not to worry about the CKD status, i was told by some of the people inside that the car is actually 95% cbu, unlike other competitor where everything delivered to local factory by cargo boxes, 308 was delivered to this country completely built up, without the tyre.This could be true, since one of the clause for CBU is the vehicle is under undriven condition! Bro, not to worry about the CKD status, i was told by some of the people inside that the car is actually 95% cbu, unlike other competitor where everything delivered to local factory by cargo boxes, 308 was delivered to this country completely built up, without the tyre.This could be true, since one of the clause for CBU is the vehicle is under undriven condition!

]]> By: Comarezzi http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-246229 Comarezzi Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:36:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-246229 i don't care bout resale value ... just the service part.. longevity... looks good i might buy it n used for 15 years then give it to my son...hehehee.. i don’t care bout resale value … just the service part.. longevity… looks good i might buy it n used for 15 years then give it to my son…hehehee..

]]> By: sixspeed http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-246098 sixspeed Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:50:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-246098 People who say the Japanese spare parts are cheaper are thinking about the cap ayam brands only, like MITSUBOSHI and TOYODA. If comparing genuine to genuine parts, Peugeot prices are similar or even cheaper in some cases. People who say the Japanese spare parts are cheaper are thinking about the cap ayam brands only, like MITSUBOSHI and TOYODA.

If comparing genuine to genuine parts, Peugeot prices are similar or even cheaper in some cases.

]]> By: William http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-246092 William Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:27:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-246092 Go test drive the car. Compare the handling of 308 with T or H. 308 THP is pretty impressive. It's a fun car to drive. As pointed out by others, it's a drivers car. For the SG review, it's comparing with VW Golf GTI. Here in M'sia, a new Golf is around 75% more than 308THP where else in SG it's almost the same price. If given the almost same pricing, I'll go for Golf GTI. Another very important point is the 308 safety feature. 6 airbags, NCAP 5 star, etc. It's not important if everything goes well. But touch wood, if there's a major accident, it will sure be very important. Go test drive the car. Compare the handling of 308 with T or H. 308 THP is pretty impressive. It’s a fun car to drive. As pointed out by others, it’s a drivers car.

For the SG review, it’s comparing with VW Golf GTI. Here in M’sia, a new Golf is around 75% more than 308THP where else in SG it’s almost the same price. If given the almost same pricing, I’ll go for Golf GTI.

Another very important point is the 308 safety feature. 6 airbags, NCAP 5 star, etc. It’s not important if everything goes well. But touch wood, if there’s a major accident, it will sure be very important.

]]> By: kimi_ http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-246048 kimi_ Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:22:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-246048 how about peugeot 207cc better??? please reply. how about peugeot 207cc better??? please reply.

]]> By: ezmil http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-246003 ezmil Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:29:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-246003 the reason some conti car owners has hefty service bill is that they "inherit" a poorly maintained car from the previous owner. Most of my friends who owned conti cars bought their car second hand. The initial cost of repairing their ride sometimes might be expensive, but after the car is in good shape, the cost of maintaining one is rather cheap. BTW, most of my friends owns a Peugeot and Citroen... Me only drive the "Malaysian made conti car" - Proton Waja hehehehe the reason some conti car owners has hefty service bill is that they “inherit” a poorly maintained car from the previous owner. Most of my friends who owned conti cars bought their car second hand. The initial cost of repairing their ride sometimes might be expensive, but after the car is in good shape, the cost of maintaining one is rather cheap. BTW, most of my friends owns a Peugeot and Citroen… Me only drive the “Malaysian made conti car” – Proton Waja hehehehe

]]> By: lowprofile http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245967 lowprofile Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:30:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245967 deadpixels, to add what you mentioned earlier, even the 206 already had the panoramic roof many years ago. nothing new to europeans. even the south american and aussie and nz versions of the 206 already had the roof long ago. deadpixels,

to add what you mentioned earlier, even the 206 already had the panoramic roof many years ago. nothing new to europeans. even the south american and aussie and nz versions of the 206 already had the roof long ago.

]]> By: deadpixel http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245961 deadpixel Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:06:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245961 rayzel, go for 308 thp else you will regret with your 2.0 civic when u meet 308 @ traffic light! hehehe cheers! Both car has bout same sound proof, i think but THP is much more stiff and stable when you hit highway @ top speed. (drop my cousin civic 2.0 before for 1 week, in town and long distance...) rayzel, go for 308 thp else you will regret with your 2.0 civic when u meet 308 @ traffic light! hehehe cheers! Both car has bout same sound proof, i think but THP is much more stiff and stable when you hit highway @ top speed. (drop my cousin civic 2.0 before for 1 week, in town and long distance…)

]]> By: Peterwyh http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245893 Peterwyh Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:58:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245893 Dear all, Don't talk abt Japanese make's second hand value higher & part price is cheap ! here are few example y Japanese make low in resale value; not as what u think higher value if compared to Continental make . The following cases happen to my fren and customer ! 1) 1.5 years old Civic 2.0, My fren bought it only 95K ! with millage only 18K KM ! 2) 4 years old Nissan X trail. My fren sold for only 60K. if he don't sell it, the upcoming repair bill is hefty money to pay ! 3) less than 2 years old city, my customer sold with 30K less if compare new car price ! Talk abt spare parts price : My experience with Pug 407 for 3 years of ownership and over 60k KM of driving pleasure... 1.) front brake pad, genuine part from France : RM4XX with labor, pls check on Accord & Camry price b4 u said it's cheap. one of my customer changed his Accord 2.4 Genuine Front brake pad for nearly 700 ! 2.) rear brake pad, genuine part from France : RM3XX with labor 3.) Oil filter : Rm3x -4x 4.) ABS/ESP sensor cable : RM2xx 5.) best thing is : i had never paid up to RM600 per service for the parts & labor, etc. Best thing is Pug only need to service every 10K 6.) cheapest service interval : RM199.80, with 5 litre Semi Sync oil, oil filter & labor ! 7.) above all hv been done in Authorised Service Centre each time with diagnotics Software checked as well, not by Ah beng workshop under the tree A lot of ppl can say nonsense with baseless fact, but my advise is just drive it then only u will know. It happen since i bought my Pug 405 last times, many ppl said negative abt it. Guess what ? The maintenace of 405 is much lower than a similar age Accord ! Don't be fool around by ppl around you. check with the service centre on the Genuine part price and start to compare with your same class level car Geuine part price, u will be amazed by the data. Dear all,

Don’t talk abt Japanese make’s second hand value higher & part price is cheap !
here are few example y Japanese make low in resale value; not as what u think higher value if compared to Continental make . The following cases happen to my fren and customer !
1) 1.5 years old Civic 2.0, My fren bought it only 95K ! with millage only 18K KM !
2) 4 years old Nissan X trail. My fren sold for only 60K. if he don’t sell it, the upcoming repair bill is hefty money to pay !
3) less than 2 years old city, my customer sold with 30K less if compare new car price !

Talk abt spare parts price :
My experience with Pug 407 for 3 years of ownership and over 60k KM of driving pleasure…
1.) front brake pad, genuine part from France : RM4XX with labor, pls check on Accord & Camry price b4 u said it’s cheap. one of my customer changed his Accord 2.4 Genuine Front brake pad for nearly 700 !
2.) rear brake pad, genuine part from France : RM3XX with labor
3.) Oil filter : Rm3x -4x
4.) ABS/ESP sensor cable : RM2xx
5.) best thing is : i had never paid up to RM600 per service for the parts & labor, etc. Best thing is Pug only need to service every 10K
6.) cheapest service interval : RM199.80, with 5 litre Semi Sync oil, oil filter & labor !
7.) above all hv been done in Authorised Service Centre each time with diagnotics Software checked as well, not by Ah beng workshop under the tree

A lot of ppl can say nonsense with baseless fact, but my advise is just drive it then only u will know. It happen since i bought my Pug 405 last times, many ppl said negative abt it. Guess what ? The maintenace of 405 is much lower than a similar age Accord !

Don’t be fool around by ppl around you. check with the service centre on the Genuine part price and start to compare with your same class level car Geuine part price, u will be amazed by the data.

]]> By: rayzel http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245880 rayzel Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:07:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245880 Hello all, Sudah test drive this 308 turbo... Got the wow factor la.. -very responsive the engine.. like the "hiss.. hiss" sound .. -body roll very little as compared to my 5 years WAJA :) -the brakes work really good -but didnt check the sound proofing. busy chatting with the salesman -audio not bad.. -but not leather seat -not that spacious for rear seat -small cabin space.. but who cares.. not that you need it everyday.. -handles quite well on bumpy roads.. the salesman in Bangsar was very friendly... knowledgeable about Peugeot.. Must say its a good compact car with that powerful engine inside.. Seriously i'm considering this car with Civic 2.0.. sigh.. susah mau buat decision like this... Hello all,

Sudah test drive this 308 turbo…
Got the wow factor la..
-very responsive the engine.. like the “hiss.. hiss” sound ..
-body roll very little as compared to my 5 years WAJA :)
-the brakes work really good
-but didnt check the sound proofing. busy chatting with the salesman
-audio not bad..
-but not leather seat
-not that spacious for rear seat
-small cabin space.. but who cares.. not that you need it everyday..
-handles quite well on bumpy roads..

the salesman in Bangsar was very friendly… knowledgeable about Peugeot..
Must say its a good compact car with that powerful engine inside..

Seriously i’m considering this car with Civic 2.0.. sigh.. susah mau buat decision like this…

]]> By: deadpixels http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245871 deadpixels Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:49:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245871 i bought this thp...tourque is really impressive for its cc. Those kampung guys who never drove conti before pls shoutup, so paria. . .cant accept new thing? Ie moonroof? Pls get a proton cz assume moonroof in proton wil b another 10+ year. Perhaps tis been available in conti car 4 ages, checkout, minicooper, e200k, s300, major luxury mpv. . . i bought this thp…tourque is really impressive for its cc. Those kampung guys who never drove conti before pls shoutup, so paria. . .cant accept new thing? Ie moonroof? Pls get a proton cz assume moonroof in proton wil b another 10+ year. Perhaps tis been available in conti car 4 ages, checkout, minicooper, e200k, s300, major luxury mpv. . .

]]> By: Alan Wong http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245868 Alan Wong Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:31:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245868 I own the Peugeot 308GT and loving every moment of it. I own the Peugeot 308GT and loving every moment of it.

]]> By: mangkok^ayon http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245865 mangkok^ayon Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:48:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245865 i own one (vti) an im loving it! go guys...buy one...dun hesitate... i own one (vti) an im loving it!

go guys…buy one…dun hesitate…

]]> By: CocoBear http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245835 CocoBear Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:27:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245835 I have just 'restudied' the Prince engine's capability. It certainly fits as one of the greatest modern engine and for the price of such little wonder, it's a bargain. The only downside is it's a CKD.. If u have no passion and have no balls when coming to resale value, leave the car alone. I will take this car as my next replacement. I have just ‘restudied’ the Prince engine’s capability. It certainly fits as one of the greatest modern engine and for the price of such little wonder, it’s a bargain. The only downside is it’s a CKD..

If u have no passion and have no balls when coming to resale value, leave the car alone. I will take this car as my next replacement.

]]> By: CocoBear http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245830 CocoBear Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:01:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245830 I overheard that the Porsche triptronic doesn't match well to the characteristic of a Pug's engine. I haven't test drive one yet, but i think the flat high torque is good enuf for all gears. I need to convince my mum to buy one for her daily use. Also tell me how to conduct elect thru glass. If can, i nominate u for Nobel Prize. I overheard that the Porsche triptronic doesn’t match well to the characteristic of a Pug’s engine. I haven’t test drive one yet, but i think the flat high torque is good enuf for all gears. I need to convince my mum to buy one for her daily use.
Also tell me how to conduct elect thru glass. If can, i nominate u for Nobel Prize.

]]> By: Maserati http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245793 Maserati Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:01:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245793 I have test drove a 308 Turbo and its damn freaking powerful due to its Turbo. And besides,its so fun to drive! Once I hit the accelerator,it revs till 5.5k And theres also this cool sounds coming out from the engine there once u release the pedal. Definately a good car,but reliablity,2nd hand value and service quality might be an issue. I have test drove a 308 Turbo and its damn freaking powerful due to its Turbo.

And besides,its so fun to drive! Once I hit the accelerator,it revs till 5.5k

And theres also this cool sounds coming out from the engine there once u release the pedal.

Definately a good car,but reliablity,2nd hand value and service quality might be an issue.

]]> By: dUg0nGnesSss http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245790 dUg0nGnesSss Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:34:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245790 hahhaaha..he is alien hahhaaha..he is alien

]]> By: Jenson http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245788 Jenson Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:30:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245788 kimi, "The transparent roof for what? the trsnsparent roof for sunshine to shine in or to let THE THIEF TO PEEP IN ? ? ? so ridiculous" this really has me LOL. so I guess your car doesn't have a window or your window is made of steel. Or maybe you drive a tank so that "THE THIEF CAN'T PEEP IN"? LOLOLOL kimi,

“The transparent roof for what? the trsnsparent roof for sunshine to shine in or to let THE THIEF TO PEEP IN ? ? ? so ridiculous”

this really has me LOL.

so I guess your car doesn’t have a window or your window is made of steel. Or maybe you drive a tank so that “THE THIEF CAN’T PEEP IN”?

LOLOLOL

]]> By: Alan Wong http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245784 Alan Wong Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:02:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245784 kimi, wow... didn't know that the moonroof has the capabilities of REFRACTION... very high tech leh!! BTW, if lightning can strike on glass, that means that the glass is a conductor of electricity in YOUR PLANET.... and.... I also don't know how to FELL romantic..... maybe you care to explain?? hahaha... kimi,
wow… didn’t know that the moonroof has the capabilities of REFRACTION… very high tech leh!!
BTW, if lightning can strike on glass, that means that the glass is a conductor of electricity in YOUR PLANET….
and…. I also don’t know how to FELL romantic….. maybe you care to explain??

hahaha…

]]> By: lowprofile http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245782 lowprofile Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:43:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245782 Kimi, please be civil lah. you have been slamming anything that is not japanese in paul's blog site. why? is it that you have been wronged in one way or another? furthermore, no need to curse ppl like your point number 2. you may not like the company that sells the car but why curse the buyers? Kimi,

please be civil lah. you have been slamming anything that is not japanese in paul’s blog site. why? is it that you have been wronged in one way or another?

furthermore, no need to curse ppl like your point number 2. you may not like the company that sells the car but why curse the buyers?

]]> By: lowprofile http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245779 lowprofile Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:15:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245779 aiyoo kimi, nothing nice to say is it? aiyoo kimi,

nothing nice to say is it?

]]> By: kimi_ http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245749 kimi_ Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:59:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245749 when raining, you will be: 1) you will fell romantic by watching the water drops to you...grace of autumn, glory of spring, snow of winter and rain of summer makes u feel warmth............Through the panoramic roof 2)you will be struck by lighting because the refraction of the transparent roof when raining, you will be:

1) you will fell romantic by watching the water drops to you…grace of autumn, glory of spring, snow of winter and rain of summer makes u feel warmth…………Through the panoramic roof

2)you will be struck by lighting because the refraction of the transparent roof

]]> By: kimi_ http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245747 kimi_ Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:47:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245747 so you may attracted by this car for now, but IN THE FUTURE YOU WILL BE REGRET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so you may attracted by this car for now, but IN THE FUTURE YOU WILL BE REGRET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: dUg0nGnesSss http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245746 dUg0nGnesSss Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:46:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245746 to Nanamin.. go to test drive 1st before make conclusion from someone review..lain org yg pandu lain rasanya... to Nanamin..

go to test drive 1st before make conclusion from someone review..lain org yg pandu lain rasanya…

]]> By: kimi_ http://paultan.org/2009/06/19/updated-308-turbo-with-panoramic-glass-roof/#comment-245745 kimi_ Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:44:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15840#comment-245745 The transparent roof for what? the trsnsparent roof for sunshine to shine in or to let THE THIEF TO PEEP IN ? ? ? so ridiculous i opt for peugout206cc that the roof can be opened and more cool but a bit older.but it"s all is Worthless after few years, don"t you agree? The transparent roof for what? the trsnsparent roof for sunshine to shine in or to let THE THIEF TO PEEP IN ? ? ? so ridiculous

i opt for peugout206cc that the roof can be opened and more cool but a bit older.but it”s all is Worthless after few years, don”t you agree?

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