Today we towering Malaysians will only be interested if the value is in many many billions. So we talk about space exploration and nuclear plants.

VW can go and jump into the sea, how dare they talk to us with such small amounts…… Malaysians are not beggars."

It not just about the USD140mil!

Proton in Indo. = Get a life !!!

M’sia’s lost its opportunity to be a global player.

& here u talking cock & bull story.(!)

Ferrari will never build a sedan.

9166= That’s the arrogant msian mentality

US140mil = small amount.?

….sad.

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LOL.. I'm not just talking about Ferrari but FIAT as a whole and they do make sedan la

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat

FIAT is the parent company of FERRARI and also the main sponsor of Valentino Rossi together with PETRONAS MALAYSIA.. Fiat has also manufactured tanks and aircraft. As of 2009, Fiat is the world's 6th largest carmaker as well as Italy's largest carmaker.

now VW already chose indon so no use.. better aim another giant car maker for partnership, Italian engineering also great what, if not then why F1 really famous with Italian Ferrari and did you know in Japan.. there is a culture called ITASHA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itasha

ITASHA stand for fanaticm of japanese anime otaku on Italian brand cars, which decorated their italian wannabe cars with anime character.. Italy also have a big influence in Japan..

so my suggestion.. can ask FIAT from Italy to be a good partner with Malaysia automotive companies, furthermore Malaysia is a bridge between West and Asian cultures and business trade.. FIAT only have joint venture in Italy, France, Turkey, India, Serbia and Russia… not yet in Malaysia or East Asia market.. so there is a big chance to "pancing" #1 Italian cars manufacturer from Italy which is also own Ferrari.. we have PETRONAS in MotoGP cooperate with FIAT and Valentino Rossi, hopefully FIAT and Italy will be interested to share their best Italian engineering and transfer technology with Malaysia (if can get the tanks and aircraft technology then it will be more awesome).. Malaysia can help them to increase their car sales because of AFTA rules.

at consumer standpoint, Perodua is better than proton.

At R&D standpoint, maybe proton is good, but if Britain cannot afford its own Local Brand, what makes Malaysia better than they do? why do we keep on protecting proton, while we can even go to purchase Lotus, and Rover nearly bankrupt and UK gomen din give a sh1t about that?

AGus said,

July 7, 2009 @ 4:45 am

Proton in Indo. = Get a life !!!

M’sia’s lost its opportunity to be a global player.

& here u talking cock & bull story.(!)

Ferrari will never build a sedan.

9166= That’s the arrogant msian mentality

US140mil = small amount.?

….sad.

And yet Malaysian in general still believe that they having extra edge and more superior over Indonesian… Wake up Malaysian, nation building is not just making a piece of crap put 4 wheels and run on the road… There is more to that.

If Proton decided to be their own boss, let them be and give us good product and good result, stop asking money from the government. so that budget can go for other worthy nation building.

If Dr M are so confidence about 2020, now is just about another 11 years to go. We should drop all this crap and build a place that all Malaysian desired. Both economically and cultural advancement.

Regarding cars I think we have more Mercedes and BMW's driving in Jakarta compared to KL. Hell we even have the C and E-class as taxis and even the Alphard we have turned it into a taxi. The regular taxi are the dugong Vios.

The CKD Touran has just been launched here and costs around IDR 395 million on the road. Autobild Indonesia still considers it as expensive. If they had priced it around the CKD Honda Freed with a starting price of IDR 255 million they could do better.

M'sia's lost its opportunity to be a global player.

& here u talking cock & bull story.(!)

Ferrari will never build a sedan.

9166= That's the arrogant msian mentality

US140mil = small amount.?

….sad.

maybe P1 need to work with Italiano in future….

AR or FIAT is also another good partner…..

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yeaahhh.. good suggestion there.. Italian really well know for the works "state of art".. Leonardo Da Vinci, Michael Angelo, Pisa towers, leaning tower of pisa, collesseum, rome.. and FERRARI, BUGATTI VEYRON..

FIAT owned FERRARI… and currently PETRONAS MALAYSIA is with FIAT, YAMAHA and Valentino Rossi in MotoGP, plus we have Jean Todt as official Malaysia tourism ambassador (ex-Ferrari F1 mastermind with legendary Michael Schumacher).. if we can make technology transfer with the italians, it should be a very good news for Malaysia automotive industries..

July 4, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Alot of people including myself agree with bobdbilder, just that sometimes we feel it’s not worth going through what we have to go through with the current level of Proton products before they get to the level of being competitive with foreign makes in terms of quality. They already have nice products with the Saga and Exora but sadly sometimes not put together well, and of course there is the achilles heel of the engine. But at the same time I know many personal friends who are very happy with their Proton, with only some gripes about how the service center is sometimes priced way more expensive than third party centers, and at times lembab. So in terms of quality it’s pretty much a Russian Roulette kind of bet. Plonk your money down and you might get a great car or you might get a nightmare. Why can’t it be a great car more often or better still, all the time? That is the direction Proton has to go.

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yup, paul what you've said are right… local car makers especially p1 should focus on producing cars that the majority (if not all) users are truly satisfied!~

Today we towering Malaysians will only be interested if the value is in many many billions. So we talk about space exploration and nuclear plants.

VW can go and jump into the sea, how dare they talk to us with such small amounts…… Malaysians are not beggars.

in a couple of years time we'll all have the option of buying better quality vws out of indonesia. remember afta? why the fuss?

proton is already in indonesia so i would assume there would be some reciprocal move by the msian gov to allow these cars into malaysia. if not, proton in indonesia can bungkus.

proton's loss is the consumer's gain.

Open up the market and create jobs for the people!!

Savvy, the choice of Bibiks

AR or FIAT is also another good partner…..

India? India curruption not as bad as Indonesia,,, but honestly,,,i dont trust Indian citizen,,,i all know how to talk,,but in working,.,, not all can work well…. the whole country u cant trust,,hahahah,,,so go working in India lah if u want….. comeon,,i also have project in Indialahhh,,,,

July 4, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

dude, relax. i think most of us here have the same vision.. to move forward successfully. we might not win any Nobel prize yet, but the world is not end yet. there are still time to reach for it.

it's a big chunk of money VW is pouring over in indon. but since VW decision is already firmed, what's the point of blame game? so we move forward. please do not treat this as arrogant statement, but please see it as visionary one.

on our edu system, i agree that we produce less competence undergrads. but there are still quality undergrads. all in all, i agree we should improve. we are here to comment on auto industry, so let's not talk much on education.

i believe nowadays technologies expand unlike last 2-3 decades, so there's always be a way to catch the train. of course not in one or two weeks time but there is still time. peace!

For our Proton, we just have to see lah how our collaboration with MMC works. The TM plant maybe the next ASEAN base for MMC perhaps?

Its not about bashing both countries – S'pore & M'sia, but the fact is both countries has small pop which locally derived income cannot support the growing expenses + the wastage from corruption(for M'sia).

I believe there has been studies during TDM's time that indicates that M'sia alone need 70 millions pop of purchasing power in order to be an organically developed country (and sustain it) w/out the need the income of export. How many years with the current rate of birth that M;sia can have this many population?

What im trying to say is w/out any significant improvement to M'sia system & the ability to create a competent RnD for all sectors(ALL SECTORS), Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam can overtook M;sia & S'pore in not so distant future. Th e issue is all these countries have taken the step for improvement – the rapid growth of Viet eco, Suharto ousting has brougth some improvement for Indo, Thai under Thaksin.

Well?

1 rebadging ,lancer for example

2 engine supplier psa, valvetronic high efficiency

3 mitsubishi using proton chassis like renault/nissan.

maybe up there is what he said

those probable that might boost up proton,,readily for libralization..

but of course proton price again should be cheaper,

you want to bash others but the fact you give is completely wrong.. since when China git 1 trillion citizen?? It is only 1.4 billion.. although you try to add Taiwan and all Han Chinese in this world also can't reach 1 trillion la wei..

yeah you go la to work in India.. India currently is #4 the worst corruption in this whole Asia (since Presiden Abdul Kalam step down.. India back to their bad attitude doing so much corruption everywhere).

I wonder who are you really.. bash 2 country at the same time Malaysia and Singapura.. to tell you the truth Malaysia and Singapura have no problem with Indon and India..

It is true by Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in term of country then Indonesia are place on #16 on World Bank and IMF, #15 on CIA World Factbook.. while Malaysia is on #30 on IMF, #28 on World Bank, #30 on CIA World Factbook

but please look more deeper Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) percapita.. Indonesia was placed on #121 on IMF, #105 on World Bank, #129 on CIA World Factbook but Malaysia was placed on #60 on IMF, #48 on World Bank, #58 on CIA World Factbook..

so it is not a simple math.. you need to be mathematical genius, VW if they want to conquer Indonesia market, the price must be cheap, the Indon citizen can't afford expensive car yet… but I believe if Malaysia level of corruption the CPI is always bad.. then there is big possibility Indon will defeat us in maybe 10 years from now..

In due time, Indonesia will be the powerhouse in South East Asia. Its all about the accumulated purchasing power of the citizen.

The BRIC group (Brazil, Russian, India, China) is the fastest emerging group of economy in the world. US, UK and the Europe will be losing their position (its happening now). I heard last week news that this BRIC would lobby for the inclusion of Indonesia to the group.

Simple math, if 1/2000 people in Malaysia can afford to buy a Volkswagen- the most the brand will sell is 13500 units.(27M pop)

In indonesia, if if 1/10000 people can afford a VW, still 30k of units can be sold – still a whopping 222% more – with much cheaper building cost. That is the fact.

Can u imagine Indonesian Gov improve on their overall government services (corruption same as M'sia at least), I believe Indonesia will be way-way in front of us.

Its not about the cost of production, but the market for the product. China have more than 1 trillion citizen, everthing that sells are bought. Same as Indonesia – if they have they own full fledged car industry- they have a much bigger market – more profit – more resources for R&D and improvement.

To tell u the truth, both M;sia and S'pore in deep shit. Thats which Temasek is going all over the world buying stakes in foreign companies as they knew their local income be sustained for long.

I already had a dream in my sleep I'm working in India