Like Korean cars such as Hyundai, Kia, Daewoo, Samsung and Ssangyong. For Japanese car such Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Honda, Subaru, Mitsubishi and Suzuki. All of them have sedan body but not Malaysia where Proton is only allowed thus there is not many variety models on car. That’s one reason why not many imported cars in Korea and Japan due to lot of choices on cars unlike Malaysia.

If there is no variety on car or competition, Just like former East Germany Trabant where 100% of East German driving Trabant, It shows not very colorful car to drive and very stereotype. Every time see on road, all were Trabant.

Business..? that’s mean this is a strategy for maintain the price of all the product… But, maybe before this.. many of us don’t know about the technology of car’s engine, and all things from their product, we buy without asking more question….

But now, many of us have knowledge about the car’s technology and we also know the other car’s technology from other country….

Our national car’s production should give a price suitable with the quality of the product…

I think that we got no point to continue arguing about our national product. The most important thing is about the future direction of the company. Lets provide some constructive comments.

I would like to see Proton can survive in the near future. how they r goin to encounter the problem of scarcity of natural resources.

If people doubt about what i know about business (Nakal), I would answer,

business is production (Product/service) that meet the demand of public.

Ask urself, why Proton don’t wan to equip their Persona with CPS engine. In fact, CPS engine produce an extra 10+ HP (as advertised in their official web site) on the wheel. I bet they are waiting for the time when the sales of the particular model drops, then only they will announce big big that “Now Persona looks fiercer with the CPS engine” to push the sales (Similar with what they had done in Satria Neo). Yeah, u r right. maybe this is the strategy of business.

Did they produce the right products to meet the market demand? Perhaps, I don’t know what is business…Ridiculous…

But I have to give support to this new project here, the EV. I love electric cars. But I never yet own a P car. However, I hereby swear that I will definitely buy 1 unit of this EV vehicle if P really produce it, but under the prerequisite that It must be less odd looking(cross my finger) and cheaper(Of course mar) than the Nissan Leaf, and having similar spec. Actually, good looking or not, my family member will be driving it, not me:)

see P,Register me..I am your 1st customer for this project. May be this can help jolts P’s management to boost its R&D into full-whack and really make it happen! And we can all start saving petrol money. Who else want to join me?

i was amazed with toyota more than 10years ago when 1st gen prius was announced, whereas most of us here still talking about wira.
now, the prius is still out-of-reach for most of us. why?
our G reduces the tax for “green car” yet the price is still high.
importer marks the price up?
if proton is not into this electric tech., how can most of us can own (that car)?
yes i know, prius is hybrid & this proton ev concept is all electric.
settle the electric issues 1st & simply matched it with ice. eve project?

at some point, i agree with u that no “showboat” all over the place.
however, to make an electric prototype is already quite an achievement.
again, it is a prototype. it is for show, at the moment.
the real model will definitely better & relatively well-built.

undesireable or not is one’s perspective. subjective.

regarding the tax payer money, i dun have the latest statistic, so i better keep my lips closed.

Whether people are proud of Proton is not important coz ‘proud or not’ will never help or deter the company from doing what it does best …being helpless.

I do not create content or info, I usually consume them, I collect info and I digest them. And when all these new insights and irrefutable truth revealed here about how Proton being overly lame at creating their own tech, which is true, being over-the-top needy in grasping for protection from the G,which is true, and wasting all the G/Tax-payer money, which is true again, and selling the most prestigious bike company for $1, which is true as well.

I just couldn’t help but had to rethink if I should be proud of this Malaysian company anymore, just because they created this EV concept thingy which might never grace our road. Nothing more than showboating. The truth is, they are just too lame to be proud of at this point, I am sorry. All proton’s product are undesirable so far, unappealing design in all dimension besides the price point, sub-standard built quality can be observed throughout its line-up. I hope they can really produce that EV thing and really do us proud.Don’t just showboat it.

August 2, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

1 thing for sure is, Proton will only search for helping hand rather than implementing their own technology.

Engine? Ask Lotus to tune for it (Campro CPS)
Handling? Ask Lotus to tune for it too
EV? Ask Detroit Electric to work on it
Lack of competitiveness? Ask government to HELP them, how? search urself

Did u heard that Toyota, or GM will search for helping hand for developing EV, hybrid vehicle? Or something like, “we had implement Daihatsu/Lexus Handling Technology in Toyota Vios, yeahhhhh.”, said Toyota???????????? Don’t make any sense…

Proton already burns for MILLIONS (or maybe billions) in R&D, and ask urself, is it an effective results in terms of technologies for Proton?

STOP doin nonsense…… wake up since U are still can do something to proof urself that u are not rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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stupid rubbish..
i bet u dont what is business..

Lotus is Proton-owned. what’s the problem?

if u r not proud of proton, it’s up to u.
but if believing hearsay makes u think so, then it’s hopeless.

if foreigners do this&that, u say it good, blindly.
but if malaysians do this&that, u say it bad, again blindly.

Not true. The near-market Nissan LEAF is a case in point.

I thought it was quite funny that they still had the conventional electrolyte battery in there to for all of the non-torque functions — like building an electric train, and then keeping the steam pipe of the steam locomotive.

Engine? Ask Lotus to tune for it (Campro CPS)
Handling? Ask Lotus to tune for it too
EV? Ask Detroit Electric to work on it
Lack of competitiveness? Ask government to HELP them, how? search urself

Did u heard that Toyota, or GM will search for helping hand for developing EV, hybrid vehicle? Or something like, “we had implement Daihatsu/Lexus Handling Technology in Toyota Vios, yeahhhhh.”, said Toyota???????????? Don’t make any sense…

Proton already burns for MILLIONS (or maybe billions) in R&D, and ask urself, is it an effective results in terms of technologies for Proton?

STOP doin nonsense…… wake up since U are still can do something to proof urself that u are not rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aku tak tahan nak gelak tengok gelagat Yuriko SAGA (Miss Japan 2004) di Malaysia hari tu, kalau PROTON nak hadiahkan PROTON SAGA EV ni pada Yuriko SAGA boleh la dia jadi ambassador wakil Proton di negara Jepun (mungkin atas nama MITSUBISHI partner rasmi PROTON di Jepun) dan PROTON mesti la ambil kesempatan kumpul data, statistik , komen, pandangan walaupun amat pedas dari luar negara dan dalam negara untuk kemajuan industri automotif negara Malaysia..

SUPER GT : MALAYSIA EXTREME CAR TUNERS !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICJcg05h1CQ

semoga kejuruteraan/engineering Malaysia terus cemerlang..

July 21, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

Electric motor are always efficient than petrol / diesel engine.

As this model, we can see even discovery channel show us about how to transform to a electric car with your current car which less than 20k ringgit(due to USD conversion) if not mistaken the show called ‘Gadgets’ or ‘Mr Gadget’

As spending alot money for those SAME R&D, why not just give them to do a SAME prototype out. all you need is same item from the car they put in.

sum up the issue of current electrical car was :

1) due to those batteries are equal with about 500 pounds of weight and you lost your trunk.
2) Is it practical?
- how many miles/kilometers it can be use up (which Mr. Paul said was about 110kilometers) and If you go to Penang from KL you need to charge 3 to 3 1/2 times?
- Can we just plug in to the hub at public? and drain from people without paying? or how much we pay per re-charge?
- How long it will take to fully charge?
3) Cost of the upkeep? This I might said electrical motor will be better than Petrol/Diesel due to the engine only need to be lubricate around 500-700hrs long run which about 60,000-80,000 kilometers.

As the good side, this engine produce 10times or more less heat than conventional engines. And you won’t even know the car started since it so quiet.
As I said so long just to remark, that Proton did was not something new. In fact, others develop see the problem and why always Proton taking something existed and put together and say ‘We have produce a new R&D project’

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electric car is the most green vehicle on earth, as i think most of the people agrees. things improve step by step when technology moved forwards.
I think the new project doesnt mean 100% new to the world. but its still new to the industry since its not yet fully launched in the world. only US and UK available most of it. New as its a Different project that doesnt approached by any local manufacturers and electric cars are not mass usage in msia Yet.

my personal opinion is EV is a good concept start off for Proton after so many years of lack behind. this RnD will take years before the 1st proton EV model roll out.

problem still is all about charging. even 30minutes of charge will be frustrating when u on a hurry.

As this model, we can see even discovery channel show us about how to transform to a electric car with your current car which less than 20k ringgit(due to USD conversion) if not mistaken the show called ‘Gadgets’ or ‘Mr Gadget’

As spending alot money for those SAME R&D, why not just give them to do a SAME prototype out. all you need is same item from the car they put in.

sum up the issue of current electrical car was :

1) due to those batteries are equal with about 500 pounds of weight and you lost your trunk.
2) Is it practical?
– how many miles/kilometers it can be use up (which Mr. Paul said was about 110kilometers) and If you go to Penang from KL you need to charge 3 to 3 1/2 times?
- Can we just plug in to the hub at public? and drain from people without paying? or how much we pay per re-charge?
- How long it will take to fully charge?
3) Cost of the upkeep? This I might said electrical motor will be better than Petrol/Diesel due to the engine only need to be lubricate around 500-700hrs long run which about 60,000-80,000 kilometers.

As the good side, this engine produce 10times or more less heat than conventional engines. And you won’t even know the car started since it so quiet.
As I said so long just to remark, that Proton did was not something new. In fact, others develop see the problem and why always Proton taking something existed and put together and say ‘We have produce a new R&D project’

You con fact is invalid. How likely do you have car radio break down compare to engine break down? Or how often you need to change your air con blower compare to your timing belt? Why is electrical failure is easier to occur than mechanical failure?

The real cons of EV is as below
- Battery cost: battery cost like more then half of the car and they dont last forever
- Battery weight: more then a quarter ton added on the vehicle
- Battery capacity: 109 KM per charge is not enough, people would want to travel to JB from KL plus some spare with one charge.
- Battery recharge time: 8 hours refuel time is just too long

Hence, the one last piece to complete the EV puzzle is the battery. We will worry about the rest later on.

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thats just a start up point for Proton in researching EV techs.
its like cellphones, ur battery was like a bottle 20years ago. now is smaller than ur wallet. Battery weight,size, cost will eventually goes down after the demand is good.
For the battery thingy, we can leave it to the battery developers, they are the one who gonna make them small, light and cheaper.
Proton just need to focus on the vehicle power management and electrical.
ur Cons is based on proton current “under developing” EV model, not even a production model.
development take time and money and support from each others.
start off scratch with detroit electric, show how proton wanted to improve now.
mayb proton come out a dual engine(electric with petrol)
like what the civic 1.3. who knows.

Pro
1) can go 1-100 within 10sec. Pickup sure kaw to tapow. conclussion, dont worry about performance lah.
2) No fuel at all. just electricity which cost much cheaper
3) I guess todays ev vehicle they target to make the battery last more than 400KM per charge.

Con
1) Electrical failure easier to occur than mechanical failure. hopefully proton is aware of that.

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You con fact is invalid. How likely do you have car radio break down compare to engine break down? Or how often you need to change your air con blower compare to your timing belt? Why is electrical failure is easier to occur than mechanical failure?

The real cons of EV is as below
– Battery cost: battery cost like more then half of the car and they dont last forever
– Battery weight: more then a quarter ton added on the vehicle
– Battery capacity: 109 KM per charge is not enough, people would want to travel to JB from KL plus some spare with one charge.
– Battery recharge time: 8 hours refuel time is just too long

Hence, the one last piece to complete the EV puzzle is the battery. We will worry about the rest later on.

Air Conditioning will sap the batteries dry.

Imagine having a battery powered air cond. The battery aint gonna last long.

Tired of waiting.. I waited since GEn2 EV.. (T_T)

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Pro
1) can go 1-100 within 10sec. Pickup sure kaw to tapow. conclussion, dont worry about performance lah.
2) No fuel at all. just electricity which cost much cheaper
3) I guess todays ev vehicle they target to make the battery last more than 400KM per charge.

Con
1) Electrical failure easier to occur than mechanical failure. hopefully proton is aware of that.

for the police..it is soo easy to stop the car..just shoot by using the electric gun that can overload capacity of electric in the EV, so the car will shut down immediately for safety reason.

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Reminds me of the Fast and Furious 2 movie.

what is that at the behind boot?
Wont the car weight will be more heavy with 5 people load inside?
Will the car have such power to climb uphill with the load of 5 ppl?

If the answer is not for the questions above….so whats the point wasting $$$
to R&D such things>?

Read more: http://paultan.org/archives/2009/07/16/proton-previews-the-proton-saga-ev-concept/#comments#ixzz0LiSZu170
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Haiya..some people r so dumb and get even dumber. Posting a comment without first reading wholely what the Author wants to convey. Now this guy gets Dumb and Dumber..!

if you are too lazy to read books about EV concept, the RnD process to develop the EV by the carmaker , then do Google lahh.. And if that Gooling is difficult for you to do then go to Youtube..get yourself some knowledge before posting!

The Author here, just want to expose to you, the Concept EV Proton trying to developed into full Drivable EV and of course different from what you r seeing here

Dont be Dumb and Dumber!! Haiyah.. dont waste everybody time reading your worthless comment, wasting my time a-lei..

July 18, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

what is that at the behind boot?
Wont the car weight will be more heavy with 5 people load inside?
Will the car have such power to climb uphill with the load of 5 ppl?

If the answer is not for the questions above….so whats the point wasting $$$
to R&D such things>?
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rafekwb. ok batteries weight, but remember the internal combustion engine is replaced by a simple electric motor which is lighter…

and the batteries design could be more compact with some uptodated feature
and could be repositioned,

anyway this is not yet 100percent EV production, just an experimentation.
.should things are for GO ,then proton will do it in proper manner definitely.

July 18, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

what is that at the behind boot?
Wont the car weight will be more heavy with 5 people load inside?
Will the car have such power to climb uphill with the load of 5 ppl?

If the answer is not for the questions above….so whats the point wasting $$$
to R&D such things>?
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Please, ur comment is showing how ur ignorance towards advance techs
People improve by investing money in RnD
I wanna ask u, whats EV Concept to u?
whats the purpose of developing EV concept?
when people talk about EV development, u talking another things.
I want to know whr is ur common sense stand at.
Almost 90% of car brand investing EV techs and u say its such a waste of money.
so When toyota and Honda all selling EV techs vehicle in msia, while proton still sell a petrol engine, are u gonna complaint about how proton so low tech and never come out a new engine.
i personally thinks that if u don’t understand the efforts of what proton try to achieve in future, u better dont post worthless comments here.
Study more whats EV techs and why some EV vehicle run 0-100km/hr less than 4 sec.

rafekwb said,

July 18, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

what is that at the behind boot?
Wont the car weight will be more heavy with 5 people load inside?
Will the car have such power to climb uphill with the load of 5 ppl?

If the answer is not for the questions above….so whats the point wasting $$$
to R&D such things>?

Read more: http://paultan.org/archives/2009/07/16/proton-previews-the-proton-saga-ev-concept/#comment-250567#ixzz0LccWSa3E

July 18, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

what is that at the behind boot?
Wont the car weight will be more heavy with 5 people load inside?
Will the car have such power to climb uphill with the load of 5 ppl?

If the answer is not for the questions above….so whats the point wasting $$$

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Hey friend, basically the EV have very high torque. so, u no need to worry about the uphill matter.

If the answer is not for the questions above….so whats the point wasting $$$
to R&D such things>?