Comments on: Current model Jumbuck to be phased out to make way for all-new Proton Jumbuck (Arena) http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 27 May 2012 07:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: abcdefg http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-409228 abcdefg Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:51:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-409228 I want Proton to rebadge Mitsubishi Triton in Malaysia with 100 percent petrol engine, no diesel, and with turbos and R3 package. I want Proton to rebadge Mitsubishi Triton in Malaysia with 100 percent petrol engine, no diesel, and with turbos and R3 package.

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]]> By: abcdefg http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-409225 abcdefg Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:48:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-409225 I want Proton to rebadge Mitsubishi Triton in Malaysia!!! I want Proton to rebadge Mitsubishi Triton in Malaysia!!!

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]]> By: pomen_gtr http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-386340 pomen_gtr Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:14:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-386340 add campro cps turbo 1.6 engine...yummmy.... add campro cps turbo 1.6 engine…yummmy….

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]]> By: Tag http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-373287 Tag Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:38:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-373287 Proton is selling the last of their Jumbucks in Oz and not bringing any more until 2012 with a new design. What killed the Jumbuck here is the complete lack of safety features. No air bags. No ABS. Great Wall now have both these things in the utes they sell here now. I think the Jumbuck is a great little ute, practicle for someone like me to carry their camping gear and trail bike. But the lack of any safety feature except a seat belt is a major hurdle. The Jumbuck perfromed the worst of any ute in a 2009 independant crash test. The cab practically disintergrated. Shocking. Great Wall wasn't much better...and right away they started producing their utes with air bags and ABS. If Prorton wants to come to the party they will need to produce a ute at least as safety orientated as the new Great Wall utes. Proton is selling the last of their Jumbucks in Oz and not bringing any more until 2012 with a new design.
What killed the Jumbuck here is the complete lack of safety features.
No air bags. No ABS.
Great Wall now have both these things in the utes they sell here now.
I think the Jumbuck is a great little ute, practicle for someone like me to carry their camping gear and trail bike. But the lack of any safety feature except a seat belt is a major hurdle.
The Jumbuck perfromed the worst of any ute in a 2009 independant crash test.
The cab practically disintergrated. Shocking.
Great Wall wasn’t much better…and right away they started producing their utes with air bags and ABS. If Prorton wants to come to the party they will need to produce a ute at least as safety orientated as the new Great Wall utes.

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]]> By: jared http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-353874 jared Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:02:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-353874 The main pick up (utes are derived from cars) sold in Australia is the Toyota Hilux. Nothing else sells even close. The Holden and Ford utes are bigger and thirstier than the Jumbuck. The cheapest competitor to the Jumbuck is the Great Wall Sailor, a 1.8 ton dual cab with a 68 kW engine, so its barely capable of moving its own weight. The cheapest _real_ competitors are the single cab 4x2s around $25 000 (Jumbuck is $16 000). AFAIK, until the Saga was released, Proton was really 'the Jumbuck company', they sold little else. People buy them cos they're cheap to buy and run, and have a decent sized tray. They don't want 4wd, and they don't want a dual cab. If they wanted to carry pallets of stuff, they'd buy a Hilux. The main pick up (utes are derived from cars) sold in Australia is the Toyota Hilux. Nothing else sells even close.

The Holden and Ford utes are bigger and thirstier than the Jumbuck.

The cheapest competitor to the Jumbuck is the Great Wall Sailor, a 1.8 ton dual cab with a 68 kW engine, so its barely capable of moving its own weight.
The cheapest _real_ competitors are the single cab 4x2s around $25 000 (Jumbuck is $16 000).

AFAIK, until the Saga was released, Proton was really ‘the Jumbuck company’, they sold little else.
People buy them cos they’re cheap to buy and run, and have a decent sized tray. They don’t want 4wd, and they don’t want a dual cab.
If they wanted to carry pallets of stuff, they’d buy a Hilux.

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]]> By: Perodua Hater http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-260185 Perodua Hater Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:54:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-260185 Not Bad!! Not Bad!!

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]]> By: wayne kofoed http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-258396 wayne kofoed Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:56:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-258396 A comment on some the posts above Jumbucks are very popular in my area.Popullation main town 3.000 surrounding area 12000 people.I can count 15 jumbucks. comerial traders in Bendigo vic. Australia also use these vechiles. there is one fellow in Bendigo has a turbo on his and does 9.5 sec quarters at local drag strip I must say he used to rebuild motors often In Melbourne aus i have seen jumbies fitted out with Evo 5 lancer gear.One note the load carry compascity exceeds homn grown Holden SS ute by 80kg.These utes (jumbies) cost one quarter the of price of a Holden SS ute A comment on some the posts above Jumbucks are very popular in my area.Popullation main town 3.000 surrounding area 12000 people.I can count 15 jumbucks. comerial traders in Bendigo vic. Australia also use these vechiles. there is one fellow in Bendigo has a turbo on his and does 9.5 sec quarters at local drag strip I must say he used to rebuild motors often In Melbourne aus i have seen jumbies fitted out with Evo 5 lancer gear.One note the load carry compascity exceeds homn grown Holden SS ute by 80kg.These utes (jumbies) cost one quarter the of price of a Holden SS ute

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]]> By: lalala http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-258303 lalala Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:05:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-258303 @DJB_flaeiar haha dont waste ur time on these guys mate. all pretend to know everything, naturally born-basher. anything goes, n not that their comment is constructive, or useful, well, most of the time. some of them are good tho. @DJB_flaeiar

haha dont waste ur time on these guys mate. all pretend to know everything, naturally born-basher. anything goes, n not that their comment is constructive, or useful, well, most of the time. some of them are good tho.

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]]> By: DJB_flaeiar http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-258283 DJB_flaeiar Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:14:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-258283 Haha, you turkeys. First of all, a "Jumbuck" isn't anything to do with a kangaroo, its an old slang word for a sheep. Second of all we don't call them 'pick ups' or 'trucks'- they're utes. Thirdly, (and at the risk of sounding uncouth) I don't care who you are, these things are NOT popular in aussie culture. Sure it may be economical, reliable and all the rest of it, but for someone who's looking for a work horse they're out of their game, or if you're after a more sportier then jumbucks don't even come to mind. The big players are Holden, Ford, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Mazda- I can't imagine that many buyers would even consider Proton. I dunno, maybe its different down south, but in Queensland I'd swear if you suggested to someone that they buy a Jumbuck more people'd start singing Waltzing Matilda at you before they realise you were talking about a ute. Its not that its a bad vehical mate, its just not a good ute. Haha, you turkeys. First of all, a "Jumbuck" isn't anything to do with a kangaroo, its an old slang word for a sheep. Second of all we don't call them 'pick ups' or 'trucks'- they're utes. Thirdly, (and at the risk of sounding uncouth) I don't care who you are, these things are NOT popular in aussie culture. Sure it may be economical, reliable and all the rest of it, but for someone who's looking for a work horse they're out of their game, or if you're after a more sportier then jumbucks don't even come to mind. The big players are Holden, Ford, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan and Mazda- I can't imagine that many buyers would even consider Proton. I dunno, maybe its different down south, but in Queensland I'd swear if you suggested to someone that they buy a Jumbuck more people'd start singing Waltzing Matilda at you before they realise you were talking about a ute. Its not that its a bad vehical mate, its just not a good ute.

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]]> By: kerelbort http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-257171 kerelbort Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:41:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-257171 paul - yes. you can add the neo-jumbuck pics. most ppl might ignore this over the MSX model park next to it.. paul – yes. you can add the neo-jumbuck pics. most ppl might ignore this over the MSX model park next to it..

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]]> By: wayne kofoed http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-257019 wayne kofoed Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:35:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-257019 I own 2003 jumbuck. It is not a rolls royce, but for what it is it is a very good ute I am looking forward to the new model I won't parting with the old one but will be buying new ute in 2010. satisfied owner australia. I own 2003 jumbuck. It is not a rolls royce, but for what it is it is a very good ute I am looking forward to the new model I won't parting with the old one but will be buying new ute in 2010. satisfied owner australia.

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]]> By: awak http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256422 awak Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:00:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256422 im a person who likes driving. driving different type of car. i cant rational drving a 90k honda city is rewarding. produas car economy light car is fun to drive??? am i stupid praising proton cars. some issue on normal campro, some smile on iafm,cps. bitsy on interior fix. its magic that i like the dynamic of proton car control, its magic that i like the hp when torque is an issue, FC. but the fun factor is there which i can easily forgot some of its bitsy. and its solid looking car. am i stupid when i can afford vios or city or of course produas. still im going for proton, -, im a person who likes driving, feel the car, so i choose the car the serve my driving enjoyment. proton does have it.. im a person who likes driving.

driving different type of car. i cant rational drving a 90k honda city is rewarding. produas car economy light car is fun to drive???

am i stupid praising proton cars.

some issue on normal campro, some smile on iafm,cps.

bitsy on interior fix. its magic that i like the dynamic of proton car control, its magic that i like the hp when torque is an issue, FC. but the fun factor is there which i can easily forgot some of its bitsy. and its solid looking car.

am i stupid when i can afford vios or city or of course produas. still im going for proton,

-, im a person who likes driving, feel the car, so i choose the car the serve my driving enjoyment. proton does have it..

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]]> By: DSZ_much_better_than http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256389 DSZ_much_better_than Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:00:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256389 Btw, vendor of proton parts should shoulder a big part of the blame. Unless they ship good parts to Proton, they are like parasites and still Proton needs to let them suck money from them ( Hope the current improvement of parts is continous and not manisfestation of these parasites fighting for survival as they know their host is dying. If not they will again feast on Proton. Pay your due and be proud of what you are doing ) If they do ship good parts to Proton, they are an asset instead of a liability. Btw, Americans and British had an early start against the Koreans. Koreans didn't use that as an excuse & worked hard and smart to beat Americans and British. We started later than Koreans. We gave excuses, we can never be as successful like Koreans because our society get subsidized on electricity,petrol,flour,sugar ( i am okay to do away with subsidy if goverment money is well spent, if not better continue to subsidize than money being siphoned into some big shot's pocket)... Proton's malaise reflects us..our goverment's incompetence is a reflection of our attitude and social contract. I drive a Saga BLM. Booked on the 1st week upon viewing the car. Mind you, i drove a 20 year old nissan and put my money on Proton after delaying for 6 years! Hmm, Saga is a good drive. Minimum maintainance and nuiscance. But it has nagging rattling sound on the drivers door and air cond vent/glove box. If they can rid that off, only FC a tad higher than Myvi. Remember, Saga is a sedan. Myvi is a hatchback. So, its still acceptable. Btw, vendor of proton parts should shoulder a big part of the blame. Unless they ship good parts to Proton, they are like parasites and still Proton needs to let them suck money from them ( Hope the current improvement of parts is continous and not manisfestation of these parasites fighting for survival as they know their host is dying. If not they will again feast on Proton. Pay your due and be proud of what you are doing ) If they do ship good parts to Proton, they are an asset instead of a liability. Btw, Americans and British had an early start against the Koreans. Koreans didn't use that as an excuse & worked hard and smart to beat Americans and British. We started later than Koreans. We gave excuses, we can never be as successful like Koreans because our society get subsidized on electricity,petrol,flour,sugar ( i am okay to do away with subsidy if goverment money is well spent, if not better continue to subsidize than money being siphoned into some big shot's pocket)… Proton's malaise reflects us..our goverment's incompetence is a reflection of our attitude and social contract.

I drive a Saga BLM. Booked on the 1st week upon viewing the car.

Mind you, i drove a 20 year old nissan and put my money on Proton after delaying for 6 years!

Hmm, Saga is a good drive. Minimum maintainance and nuiscance.

But it has nagging rattling sound on the drivers door and air cond vent/glove box. If they can rid that off, only FC a tad higher than Myvi. Remember, Saga is a sedan. Myvi is a hatchback. So, its still acceptable.

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]]> By: DSZ_much_better_than http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256381 DSZ_much_better_than Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:32:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256381 Btw, vendor of proton parts should shoulder a big part of the blame. Unless they ship good parts to Proton, they are like parasites and still Proton needs to let them suck money from them ( Hope the current improvement of parts is continous and not manisfestation of these parasites fighting for survival as they know their host is dying. If not they will again feast on Proton. Pay your due and be proud of what you are doing ) If they do ship good parts to Proton, they are an asset instead of a liability. Btw, Americans and British had an early start against the Koreans. Koreans didn't use that as an excuse & worked hard and smart to beat Americans and British. We started later than Koreans. We gave excuses, we can never be as successful like Koreans because our society get subsidized on electricity,petrol,flour,sugar ( i am okay to do away with subsidy if goverment money is well spent, if not better continue to subsidize than money being siphoned into some big shot's pocket)... Proton's malaise reflects us..our goverment's incompetence is a reflection of our attitude and social contract. Btw, vendor of proton parts should shoulder a big part of the blame. Unless they ship good parts to Proton, they are like parasites and still Proton needs to let them suck money from them ( Hope the current improvement of parts is continous and not manisfestation of these parasites fighting for survival as they know their host is dying. If not they will again feast on Proton. Pay your due and be proud of what you are doing ) If they do ship good parts to Proton, they are an asset instead of a liability. Btw, Americans and British had an early start against the Koreans. Koreans didn't use that as an excuse & worked hard and smart to beat Americans and British. We started later than Koreans. We gave excuses, we can never be as successful like Koreans because our society get subsidized on electricity,petrol,flour,sugar ( i am okay to do away with subsidy if goverment money is well spent, if not better continue to subsidize than money being siphoned into some big shot's pocket)… Proton's malaise reflects us..our goverment's incompetence is a reflection of our attitude and social contract.

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]]> By: DSZ_much_better_than http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256380 DSZ_much_better_than Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:28:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256380 Btw, vendor of proton parts should shoulder a big part of the blame. Unless they ship good parts to Proton, they are like parasites and still Proton needs to let them suck money from them ( Hope the current improvement of parts is continous and not manisfestation of these parasites fighting for survival as they know their host is dying. If not they will again feast on Proton. Pay your due and be proud of what you are doing ) If they do ship good parts to Proton, they are an asset instead of a liability. Btw, Americans and British had an early start against the Koreans. Koreans didn't use that as an excuse & worked hard and smart to beat Americans and British. We started later than Koreans. We gave excuses, we can never be as successful like Koreans because our society get subsidized on electricity,petrol,flour,sugar ( i am okay to do away with subsidy if goverment money is well spent, if not better continue to subsidize than gets into some big shot's pocket)... Proton's malaise reflects us..our goverment's incompetence is a relection of our attitude and social contract. Btw, vendor of proton parts should shoulder a big part of the blame.

Unless they ship good parts to Proton, they are like parasites and still Proton needs to let them suck money from them ( Hope the current improvement of parts is continous and not manisfestation of these parasites fighting for survival as they know their host is dying. If not they will again feast on Proton. Pay your due and be proud of what you are doing )

If they do ship good parts to Proton, they are an asset instead of a liability.

Btw, Americans and British had an early start against the Koreans.

Koreans didn't use that as an excuse & worked hard and smart to beat Americans and British.

We started later than Koreans.

We gave excuses, we can never be as successful like Koreans because our society get subsidized on electricity,petrol,flour,sugar ( i am okay to do away with subsidy if goverment money is well spent, if not better continue to subsidize than gets into some big shot's pocket)…

Proton's malaise reflects us..our goverment's incompetence is a relection of our attitude and social contract.

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]]> By: DSZ_much_better_than http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256376 DSZ_much_better_than Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:14:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256376 Yeah, they have diff # of doors. And diff class of vehicles. But a would be Gen2 buyer might switch to a Persona. A would be Persona buyer might switch to Saga. Because the number of consumer who would STILL consider a Proton is almost fixed ( because those who had chosen a Perodua will axe out Proton, no matter how many models you launch). So, you are targeting the same segment of ppl. Unless you improve even more on quality ( Proton is in the right direction since Persona, but needs to do more to win back customers trust. Because of the bad customer satisfaction during Mahaleels time, Proton's quality must strive to even exceed Perodua's - unless Perodua screws up in near future and repeats a Proton, its like hoping for and own goal) , you will only have the same handful of ppl to sell to. Launching new half bake models, will only have limited effect on getting more orders. Even worse still, it can make ppl's distrust of Proton to be even more entrenched! Shell out RM 500 mil to get bad publicity. ( Mahaleel wasted money big time ! He is a car company ceo who doesn't know how to run a car company - I think he used this word on others!) Persona did stop the rot. Saga given a glimpse of Proton's past glory. Exora is the next small hope that we can be sure that we don't embarass ourself in Indonesia. If only DSZ was the ceo when Proton has > RM 2 bil and not Mahaleel. Btw, 2 things that Mahaleel might have done right is: 1) He bullied EON into submitting to Proton's terms in conditions imposed for EON to continue get to sell Proton. EON is like a freeloader. 2) He managed to get the Germans to be interested in Proton. (But only to realise that it was a marriage not meant to be). No have entire plan. Only PR skills. * i might be wrong, but these are what i read. Hope the part on DSZ is true. Yeah, they have diff # of doors. And diff class of vehicles.

But a would be Gen2 buyer might switch to a Persona.

A would be Persona buyer might switch to Saga.

Because the number of consumer who would STILL consider a Proton is almost fixed ( because those who had chosen a Perodua will axe out Proton, no matter how many models you launch).

So, you are targeting the same segment of ppl.

Unless you improve even more on quality ( Proton is in the right direction since Persona, but needs to do more to win back customers trust. Because of the bad customer satisfaction during Mahaleels time, Proton's quality must strive to even exceed Perodua's – unless Perodua screws up in near future and repeats a Proton, its like hoping for and own goal) , you will only have the same handful of ppl to sell to. Launching new half bake models, will only have limited effect on getting more orders. Even worse still, it can make ppl's distrust of Proton to be even more entrenched! Shell out RM 500 mil to get bad publicity. ( Mahaleel wasted money big time ! He is a car company ceo who doesn't know how to run a car company – I think he used this word on others!)

Persona did stop the rot. Saga given a glimpse of Proton's past glory. Exora is the next small hope that we can be sure that we don't embarass ourself in Indonesia.

If only DSZ was the ceo when Proton has > RM 2 bil and not Mahaleel.

Btw, 2 things that Mahaleel might have done right is:

1) He bullied EON into submitting to Proton's terms in conditions imposed for EON to continue get to sell Proton. EON is like a freeloader.

2) He managed to get the Germans to be interested in Proton. (But only to realise that it was a marriage not meant to be). No have entire plan. Only PR skills.

* i might be wrong, but these are what i read. Hope the part on DSZ is true.

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]]> By: myfuad http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256347 myfuad Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:51:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256347 i hope proton not using exora face. that can be damage exora image. please be creative without spend more money, if can't, can be open for contestant. i hope proton not using exora face. that can be damage exora image. please be creative without spend more money, if can't, can be open for contestant.

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]]> By: saya http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256341 saya Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:46:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256341 Anonymous said, August 15, 2009 @ 2:16 pm Proton repeating their dark era. ————————————– wow anonymous is such a genius. writing rubbish like this for no reason. so all companies that make pick-ups are “in the dark”? pick-ups are very popular in australia ———————————————— I agree with Anonymous. How many Arena’s can you see on Malaysian roads? How many Arena’s have they sold in Australia?? (I’ve been to Australia a few times and haven’t seen any. Nobody knows about them too!) Fliedlice, have you been Down Under before you even comment??? ------------------------------------------ base on the new picture, it will look good, for normal use. can bawa pisang, but not buah kelapa sawit.. Lightduty truck not Heavyduty. nampak juga cantik.. Still Hilux is the best... Anonymous said,

August 15, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

Proton repeating their dark era.

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wow anonymous is such a genius. writing rubbish like this for no reason. so all companies that make pick-ups are “in the dark”? pick-ups are very popular in australia

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I agree with Anonymous.

How many Arena’s can you see on Malaysian roads?

How many Arena’s have they sold in Australia?? (I’ve been to Australia a few times and haven’t seen any. Nobody knows about them too!) Fliedlice, have you been Down Under before you even comment???

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base on the new picture, it will look good, for normal use. can bawa pisang, but not buah kelapa sawit.. Lightduty truck not Heavyduty. nampak juga cantik.. Still Hilux is the best…

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]]> By: JULIAN_LEE http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256222 JULIAN_LEE Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:44:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256222 yeah at least proton got choices, not like taik company perdua, got 2 ugly cars oni, myvi and viva, and soon the myvi papan edition... then the only variation, the nautica, price like babi. dats why perodua cars sux anyway, alpina & bmw still better yeah at least proton got choices, not like taik company perdua, got 2 ugly cars oni, myvi and viva, and soon the myvi papan edition… then the only variation, the nautica, price like babi. dats why perodua cars sux

anyway, alpina & bmw still better

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]]> By: awak http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256217 awak Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:02:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256217 yes right produa/produa myvi get the things done. warped disc brake clonking suspension after only few year i dont understand why people dont appreciate proton car. well FC is a little bit... i drive both type of cars. proton gives a solid drive, while produa feels light. and campro engine a little... at the beginig as it goes half way and upper you will enjoy it belive me, batter and more improvement on iafm or cps. please dont look down at proton car. explore the car capability you know what you saying. yes right produa/produa myvi get the things done.

warped disc brake

clonking suspension after only few year

i dont understand why people dont appreciate proton car.

well FC is a little bit…

i drive both type of cars. proton gives a solid drive, while produa feels light.

and campro engine a little… at the beginig as it goes half way and upper you will enjoy it belive me, batter and more improvement on iafm or cps.

please dont look down at proton car. explore the car capability you know what you saying.

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]]> By: farghmee http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256199 farghmee Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:50:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256199 eating own market share? neo (2doors) eating waja (4doors). savvy (small) eating persona (big). what a valid comparison is this? :D proton gives customers various options. options that probably suits u :) eating own market share?

neo (2doors) eating waja (4doors).

savvy (small) eating persona (big).

what a valid comparison is this? :D

proton gives customers various options.

options that probably suits u :)

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]]> By: budlee http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256194 budlee Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:26:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256194 hmm is proton producing diesel soon? this would fit the characteristic of a low ride pickup (like the triton light) if it is the size of the exora, the jumbuck would have a incredibly large truck bed.. would it you normal leaf springs or would heavy duty coil springs would be use both with a live axel of course.. if no diesel, then a turbo charged cps? hmm..interesting... a pick up that goes vrooom pssst, vrooom psst :p i already imagine people pimping this truck up already.. but if proton has a diesel, this would be great for Asean countries.. hmm is proton producing diesel soon? this would fit the characteristic of a low ride pickup (like the triton light)

if it is the size of the exora, the jumbuck would have a incredibly large truck bed..

would it you normal leaf springs or would heavy duty coil springs would be use both with a live axel of course..

if no diesel, then a turbo charged cps? hmm..interesting… a pick up that goes vrooom pssst, vrooom psst :p

i already imagine people pimping this truck up already..

but if proton has a diesel, this would be great for Asean countries..

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]]> By: Nahar ARS http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256170 Nahar ARS Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:13:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256170 Proton Jumbuck to be crash tested (ANCAP) <a href="http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/C920A6AF0F0F15A7CA2576160005222A" rel="nofollow">http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2...</a> Proton Jumbuck to be crash tested (ANCAP)
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2…

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]]> By: DSZ_much_better_than http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256166 DSZ_much_better_than Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:55:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256166 Exora (MPV) & Arena (commercial) - Grab other market share. Savvy (car) , Satria Neo (car), Persona (car), Gen2 (car), Saga (car), Waja (car) - Eating own market share. Going forward, if you really must RnD, pick 1 car & 1 mpv-cum-commercial. Other low volume, pls rebadge. Important : If you quality is low, no matter how many models also no use. Waste money. Just look at Perodua, Myvi & Viva get the things done. Exora (MPV) & Arena (commercial) – Grab other market share.

Savvy (car) , Satria Neo (car), Persona (car), Gen2 (car), Saga (car), Waja (car) – Eating own market share.

Going forward, if you really must RnD, pick 1 car & 1 mpv-cum-commercial.

Other low volume, pls rebadge.

Important : If you quality is low, no matter how many models also no use. Waste money. Just look at Perodua, Myvi & Viva get the things done.

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]]> By: Tiadaid http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256155 Tiadaid Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:33:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256155 P1_P2_Are_Shit said, August 16, 2009 @ 1:40 am Don’t care… P1_P2_Are_Shit said, August 16, 2009 @ 12:31 pm It was supposed to be named JUNKbuck in the first place, must have been a critical typo error years ago… ----------------------------------------------- Funny, for a person who don't care, why did you post twice? And the only JUNK around here is YOUR brain! P1_P2_Are_Shit said,

August 16, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Don’t care…

P1_P2_Are_Shit said,

August 16, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

It was supposed to be named JUNKbuck in the first place, must have been a critical typo error years ago…

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Funny, for a person who don't care, why did you post twice? And the only JUNK around here is YOUR brain!

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]]> By: Automotive_Critics http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256150 Automotive_Critics Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:58:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256150 farghmee said, August 19, 2009 @ 1:43 pm kita buat salah, kita xbuat pn salah? kalau org lain buat selalu xsalah? ------------------------------- Kalau dah terang-terang salah kalau buat mestilah salah. Betul? Tapi janganlah sampai depa tu ulangi kesilapan. Saya hanya menyampaikan. DSZ pun bukannya sempurna untuk Proton. Tapi dia adalah terbaik setakat ni untuk jawatan pengarah urusan. Ape-ape pun good luck dan ingat Jangan jadi pi mai pi mai tang tu. Adios. farghmee said,

August 19, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

kita buat salah, kita xbuat pn salah?

kalau org lain buat selalu xsalah?

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Kalau dah terang-terang salah kalau buat mestilah salah. Betul? Tapi janganlah sampai depa tu ulangi kesilapan. Saya hanya menyampaikan.

DSZ pun bukannya sempurna untuk Proton. Tapi dia adalah terbaik setakat ni untuk jawatan pengarah urusan. Ape-ape pun good luck dan ingat Jangan jadi pi mai pi mai tang tu. Adios.

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]]> By: farghmee http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256122 farghmee Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:43:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256122 Automotive_Critics, i believe Proton, under DSZ management, has made detail calculation & market survey before they come with the idea. so it's up for them to make a wise decision. it is not things that we always see is the total holistic situation, but just mere a fraction it. kita buat salah, kita xbuat pn salah? kalau org lain buat selalu xsalah? Automotive_Critics,

i believe Proton, under DSZ management, has made detail calculation & market survey before they come with the idea.

so it's up for them to make a wise decision.

it is not things that we always see is the total holistic situation, but just mere a fraction it.

kita buat salah, kita xbuat pn salah?

kalau org lain buat selalu xsalah?

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]]> By: Automotive_Critics http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256098 Automotive_Critics Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:18:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256098 farghmee said, August 18, 2009 @ 10:51 pm 1. Yeah good but still need to invest huge penny to produce side panel, roof panel dies,moulds bla-bla just for very small volume? is it appropriate justification? 2. Exora platform can be derives to sedan which has better volume. Why bother Arena? Develope ladder chassis might cost much this time but when all platform is ready. P1 can varies it's model than become cheaper in long run. But if wasting time focus on niche market produt while delaying ladder chassis development might cost a lot in long run. Why? 1. Waste manhour for the new arena 2. Market already stagnant with flooded foreign pick up. But still there is people will say better late than never. 3. Agree but design has playing biggest roll in producing a product. Product planning must improve also. (Huge improvement product planning for Exora a job well done.) So OKlah malas dah nak kata. Jgn jadik pi mai pi mai tang tu dah le. Nak tak nak cukai pendapatan kena bayar juga. Bolehlah nanti beli arena untuk bawak anak pisang tanam kat kebun. farghmee said,

August 18, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

1. Yeah good but still need to invest huge penny to produce side panel, roof panel dies,moulds bla-bla just for very small volume? is it appropriate justification?

2. Exora platform can be derives to sedan which has better volume. Why bother Arena? Develope ladder chassis might cost much this time but when all platform is ready. P1 can varies it's model than become cheaper in long run. But if wasting time focus on niche market produt while delaying ladder chassis development might cost a lot in long run. Why? 1. Waste manhour for the new arena 2. Market already stagnant with flooded foreign pick up.

But still there is people will say better late than never.

3. Agree but design has playing biggest roll in producing a product. Product planning must improve also. (Huge improvement product planning for Exora a job well done.) So OKlah malas dah nak kata. Jgn jadik pi mai pi mai tang tu dah le. Nak tak nak cukai pendapatan kena bayar juga. Bolehlah nanti beli arena untuk bawak anak pisang tanam kat kebun.

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]]> By: raptorclans http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256093 raptorclans Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:16:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256093 The Arena sold more units overseas than in Malaysia, it makes total sense to produce a new one. Besides, the 1st one was one of the cooler Protons they have come up with. Now just hope for some rear seats :) The Arena sold more units overseas than in Malaysia, it makes total sense to produce a new one. Besides, the 1st one was one of the cooler Protons they have come up with. Now just hope for some rear seats :)

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]]> By: Nabil http://paultan.org/2009/08/15/current-model-jumbuck-to-be-phased-out-to-make-way-for-all-new-proton-jumbuck-arena/#comment-256081 Nabil Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:30:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16129#comment-256081 I personally would never buy a small pick-up no matter how well-designed they are since I dont have a reason to. But in this case, Im sure the demand for Jumbuck is still there in Oz, and if it does, Proton has the right to make them and sell them there (but please la, not a Satria-based front). If it's profitable, do it. I personally would never buy a small pick-up no matter how well-designed they are since I dont have a reason to.

But in this case, Im sure the demand for Jumbuck is still there in Oz, and if it does, Proton has the right to make them and sell them there (but please la, not a Satria-based front). If it's profitable, do it.

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