Comments on: Group of car manufacturers sign Letter of Understanding on fuel cell electric vehicles http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 27 May 2012 08:44:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Fridz http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-260187 Fridz Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:18:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-260187 Hydrogen can be generate by using electrolysis of water.and electrolysis process needs huge amount of electricity. the electricity consumption will raised tremendously and coal and fuel combustion will cause no way to combat our climate change.. but yes for sure, hydrogen is renewable energy..maybe someday, we can have a sustainable power generation beside taking care on our environment. Hydrogen can be generate by using electrolysis of water.and electrolysis process needs huge amount of electricity. the electricity consumption will raised tremendously and coal and fuel combustion will cause no way to combat our climate change..

but yes for sure, hydrogen is renewable energy..maybe someday, we can have a sustainable power generation beside taking care on our environment.

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]]> By: nmh http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-260147 nmh Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:52:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-260147 In 'Hot Swap' infrastructure.....we dont have to maintain the battery, The hot swap business will maintain the battery. If they fail to maintain its quality then we go to another competitor. Just like fuel brands, if we dont like Shell, then we go to Petronas for better service. In 'Hot Swap' infrastructure…..we dont have to maintain the battery, The hot swap business will maintain the battery. If they fail to maintain its quality then we go to another competitor. Just like fuel brands, if we dont like Shell, then we go to Petronas for better service.

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]]> By: Adam http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-260135 Adam Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:50:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-260135 Hot swapping is a good idea, like buying cooking gas: swap container, new contents. And we've been keeping these tong gas in our house, so far that I know of, no sudden explosions right? Hot swapping is a good idea, like buying cooking gas: swap container, new contents. And we've been keeping these tong gas in our house, so far that I know of, no sudden explosions right?

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]]> By: Tiadaid http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-260018 Tiadaid Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:03:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-260018 Salamander said, September 10, 2009 @ 11:51 am I really hope Petronas has a department performing RnD for this technology. -------------------------------------------- I think PROTON should have an R&D department focused on this tech, rather than Petronas. The technology to produce hydrogen is already there. Salamander said,

September 10, 2009 @ 11:51 am

I really hope Petronas has a department performing RnD for this technology.

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I think PROTON should have an R&D department focused on this tech, rather than Petronas. The technology to produce hydrogen is already there.

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]]> By: Salamander http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-260016 Salamander Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:51:06 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-260016 I really hope Petronas has a department performing RnD for this technology. I really hope Petronas has a department performing RnD for this technology.

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]]> By: mohsin http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-260015 mohsin Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:50:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-260015 out of topic: do you have any news about new Mazda Rx8? The Sun today state that it will be launch at Frankfurt Motor Show on Sept15. Any spy shots? out of topic: do you have any news about new Mazda Rx8?

The Sun today state that it will be launch at Frankfurt Motor Show on Sept15.

Any spy shots?

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]]> By: csv http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-260012 csv Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:44:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-260012 oooo, the future is here. oooo, the future is here.

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]]> By: 4G63tDSM http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-260000 4G63tDSM Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:03:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-260000 At least this is getting somewhere. Full electric vehicles will remain. Market will polarize into H2 fuel cell power cars for longer range but yet, full electric will dominate city car segments. Electric cars are still cheaper to produce and have a simpler BOM, and therefore will be targeted to a different segment. I can see this scenario panning out. One might have a full electric car which like me now, only drive 30km per day, which is 150per week. With battery improvements, thats one recharge per week. Not entirely a big hassle. When I need more range, I drive the fuel cell powered car. Perhaps not in Malaysia, but I can still see the Full electrics getting a hugh tax rebate and limited to city limits. At least this is getting somewhere.

Full electric vehicles will remain.

Market will polarize into H2 fuel cell power cars for longer range but yet, full electric will dominate city car segments.

Electric cars are still cheaper to produce and have a simpler BOM, and therefore will be targeted to a different segment.

I can see this scenario panning out. One might have a full electric car which like me now, only drive 30km per day, which is 150per week. With battery improvements, thats one recharge per week. Not entirely a big hassle. When I need more range, I drive the fuel cell powered car.

Perhaps not in Malaysia, but I can still see the Full electrics getting a hugh tax rebate and limited to city limits.

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]]> By: Annihilated http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259992 Annihilated Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:35:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259992 .. and all the cars will start yielding more water from their exhaust. the world will be more humid. ..and KL will be prone to banjir kilat more frequent than ever. ;) just kidding .. and all the cars will start yielding more water from their exhaust. the world will be more humid.

..and KL will be prone to banjir kilat more frequent than ever. ;)

just kidding

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]]> By: w_lighter http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259989 w_lighter Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:20:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259989 hot swap is not a good idea.. its like asking u to swap ur rechargeable battery for ur camera... do u really want someone else battery which is already worn out after years of abuse?? For no particular reason suddenly it explode like the hp battery explode problem.. then u have problem wit fake batteries made in china... i rather not support the hot swap idea. hot swap is not a good idea.. its like asking u to swap ur rechargeable battery for ur camera… do u really want someone else battery which is already worn out after years of abuse?? For no particular reason suddenly it explode like the hp battery explode problem.. then u have problem wit fake batteries made in china… i rather not support the hot swap idea.

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]]> By: nmh http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259982 nmh Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:00:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259982 Instead of charging battery, how bout changing battery 'hot swap' infrastructure. This also means all the battery units from various automaker are the same, thus lowering the price tru econs of scale, no need to maintain the battery also. Instead of charging battery, how bout changing battery 'hot swap' infrastructure. This also means all the battery units from various automaker are the same, thus lowering the price tru econs of scale, no need to maintain the battery also.

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]]> By: alihms http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259977 alihms Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:45:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259977 I think many forummers here misunderstand one thing. There is no OPEC like cartel where they plan to restrict hydrogen fuel production nor control new manufacturers from entering the fuel cell car scene. This is just an agreement to commonize the fuel cell type, delivery systems and the like. With common standards, any fuel cell pumps will be able to pumps hydrogen to any cars which follow the standards. Otherwise, we will need multiple pump sizes with multiple type of fuel cell for each manufacturers. Think of it like what happened to AV industries. All manufacturers now agreed to standardize to Blue ray instead of mixture of Blue ray, HD DVD and other competing formats. I think many forummers here misunderstand one thing. There is no OPEC like cartel where they plan to restrict hydrogen fuel production nor control new manufacturers from entering the fuel cell car scene. This is just an agreement to commonize the fuel cell type, delivery systems and the like. With common standards, any fuel cell pumps will be able to pumps hydrogen to any cars which follow the standards. Otherwise, we will need multiple pump sizes with multiple type of fuel cell for each manufacturers.

Think of it like what happened to AV industries. All manufacturers now agreed to standardize to Blue ray instead of mixture of Blue ray, HD DVD and other competing formats.

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]]> By: common sensor http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259972 common sensor Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:59:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259972 When FORD started internal combustion engine vehicle mass production, how many petrol station and petroleum refineries were there in the world? Don't you think the concern raised for Hydrogen is similar to the concern raised then? Its only a question of chicken-and-egg ... When FORD started internal combustion engine vehicle mass production, how many petrol station and petroleum refineries were there in the world? Don't you think the concern raised for Hydrogen is similar to the concern raised then? Its only a question of chicken-and-egg …

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]]> By: Mohd http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259968 Mohd Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:15:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259968 bobdbilder said, September 10, 2009 @ 12:25 am 'You still need electricity to produce H2 don’t you?' You're talking about electrolysis, meaning using electric current to split water into hydrogen and oxygen ? Then the answer is no... Nowadays hydrogen is mainly produced from...natural gas, oil or coal <a href="http://(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production)" rel="nofollow">(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production)</a> bobdbilder said,

September 10, 2009 @ 12:25 am

'You still need electricity to produce H2 don’t you?'

You're talking about electrolysis, meaning using electric current to split water into hydrogen and oxygen ?

Then the answer is no… Nowadays hydrogen is mainly produced from…natural gas, oil or coal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production)

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]]> By: w_lighter http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259954 w_lighter Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:38:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259954 woohoo~ i told those haters hydrogen goin to beat ev's ass.. dont believe me somemore la.... woohoo~ i told those haters hydrogen goin to beat ev's ass.. dont believe me somemore la….

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]]> By: bobdbilder http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259951 bobdbilder Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:25:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259951 This is juicy news! Now the purveyor of market liberalization wants Governments to invest in H2 production? I'm surprised Renault's in it too, not long after committing to full electric vehicles early in the year. If this cartel thinks its a profitable venture, why don't they do it themselves? Its not just production which is a big investment. Its also transportation and storage. You still need electricity to produce H2 don't you? And freeze it and compress it. This, in a time when every country is trying to save their own economy. I find it a bit foolish and careless. This is juicy news! Now the purveyor of market liberalization wants Governments to invest in H2 production? I'm surprised Renault's in it too, not long after committing to full electric vehicles early in the year. If this cartel thinks its a profitable venture, why don't they do it themselves?

Its not just production which is a big investment. Its also transportation and storage. You still need electricity to produce H2 don't you? And freeze it and compress it. This, in a time when every country is trying to save their own economy. I find it a bit foolish and careless.

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]]> By: Elvis http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259949 Elvis Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:15:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259949 Agree with Salamander and Scottloeb. Hydrogen main problem is cost and also how to store it in the car. Let alone how to transport hydrogen for refueling station. Remember that lorry carrying hydrogen is like a massive bomb. Terrorists will have a field day... Agree with Salamander and Scottloeb. Hydrogen main problem is cost and also how to store it in the car. Let alone how to transport hydrogen for refueling station. Remember that lorry carrying hydrogen is like a massive bomb. Terrorists will have a field day…

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]]> By: scottloeb http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259944 scottloeb Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:51:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259944 Matila Proton.. kalau belum ada hydrogen technology, baik cepat2 beli sebelum license dia jadi mahal.. jangan bunuh diri, ini cartel power punya, control more than half vehicle production in the world. Matila Proton.. kalau belum ada hydrogen technology, baik cepat2 beli sebelum license dia jadi mahal.. jangan bunuh diri, ini cartel power punya, control more than half vehicle production in the world.

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]]> By: Caddilac Wong http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259940 Caddilac Wong Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:22:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259940 Izzit in US or EU?? Izzit in US or EU??

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]]> By: Salamander http://paultan.org/2009/09/09/group-of-car-manufacturers-sign-letter-of-understanding-on-fuel-cell-electric-vehicles/#comment-259935 Salamander Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:08:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16267#comment-259935 Yes . This is the future. What current EV cars lack is the freedom of fast refueling. Charging a battery takes time. By using Hydrogen Fuel Cells, the refueling time is almost similar to our current petrol pump. Therefore you will get the best of both world. Not to mentioned Hydrogen supply is almost unlimited. The problem now is the cost. Yes . This is the future. What current EV cars lack is the freedom of fast refueling. Charging a battery takes time.

By using Hydrogen Fuel Cells, the refueling time is almost similar to our current petrol pump. Therefore you will get the best of both world. Not to mentioned Hydrogen supply is almost unlimited.

The problem now is the cost.

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