Comments on: Naza to assemble ASEAN Peugeot 207 Sedan in Gurun from October 2010 http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 27 May 2012 10:16:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Peugeot Malingsia http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-432358 Peugeot Malingsia Sat, 29 Jan 2011 00:39:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-432358 go to Indonesia and buy 207 hatch. go to Indonesia and buy 207 hatch.

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]]> By: lililala http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-379377 lililala Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:35:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-379377 love it love it

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]]> By: zack http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-376369 zack Fri, 01 Oct 2010 03:35:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-376369 omg! it's peugeot,not toyota,honda or even proton to put that price! gosh! omg! it’s peugeot,not toyota,honda or even proton to put that price! gosh!

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]]> By: HirumaKecil http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-348686 HirumaKecil Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:30:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-348686 Peugeot lover love it.... Peugeot lover love it….

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]]> By: Rich http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-345635 Rich Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:48:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-345635 Actually, the car is 'OK' but the only thing that makes the car looked weird is the missing 'triangular' window at C-pillar. Already thinking of 'facelift' before NAZA sells them here in M'sia... Will they? However, the PRICE could be a strong factor to compete against national cars... Actually, the car is ‘OK’ but the only thing that makes the car looked weird is the missing ‘triangular’ window at C-pillar.

Already thinking of ‘facelift’ before NAZA sells them here in M’sia… Will they?

However, the PRICE could be a strong factor to compete against national cars…

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]]> By: bobdbilder http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-342374 bobdbilder Mon, 21 Jun 2010 04:11:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-342374 Saw it in Putrajaya on 20 June 2010. Two cars; silver and dark coloured. Guess they were there for Photo shoot. That means its very close to market release. Saw it in Putrajaya on 20 June 2010. Two cars; silver and dark coloured. Guess they were there for Photo shoot. That means its very close to market release.

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]]> By: hwt http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-329041 hwt Fri, 07 May 2010 10:37:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-329041 A 3923 kilometer Chinese New Year trip on a 207 sedan: http://club.autohome.com.cn/bbs/thread-c-688-5829169-1.html A 3923 kilometer Chinese New Year trip on a 207 sedan:

http://club.autohome.com.cn/bbs/thread-c-688-5829169-1.html

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]]> By: sleep.talker http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-311447 sleep.talker Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:59:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-311447 It's a total disappointment.... why not the 207 hatch.....? i've been waiting.... It's a total disappointment…. why not the 207 hatch…..? i've been waiting….

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]]> By: EL PADROTE DE SUS MA http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-298561 EL PADROTE DE SUS MA Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:47:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-298561 IT IS A BEATIFUL CAR, IS A DREAM. IT IS A BEATIFUL CAR, IS A DREAM.

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]]> By: Naqib Ibrahim http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-268790 Naqib Ibrahim Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:07:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-268790 the interior is damn nice the rear is a massive turn-off dont think naza's going to change that but for 55k vios will be history the interior is damn nice

the rear is a massive turn-off

dont think naza's going to change that

but for 55k vios will be history

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]]> By: lowprofile http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-266465 lowprofile Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:24:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-266465 the china cars all look tall because of their taller suspension. even their 206 look taller than ours! the china cars all look tall because of their taller suspension. even their 206 look taller than ours!

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]]> By: hwt http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-266425 hwt Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:09:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-266425 Some additional pictures of Peugeot 207 sedan (they show mainly the interior of the car), for those who can stand its shape....... <a href="http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3177&page=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.ph...</a> <a href="http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3177&page=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.ph...</a> Some additional pictures of Peugeot 207 sedan (they show mainly the interior of the car), for those who can stand its shape…….

http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.ph… http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.ph…

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]]> By: Mazda 3 MPS http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-266080 Mazda 3 MPS Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:11:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-266080 i must say this makes the toyota vios look like a ferrari i must say this makes the toyota vios look like a ferrari

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]]> By: ... http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-266026 ... Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:51:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-266026 HWT, The handbrake looks like that because the photo is flipped from left to right. and most of the photos from "other road" is photoshopped, including the pic with the Naza T33 number plate. The pics are mostly from the 207 compact launch somewhere is south america. HWT,

The handbrake looks like that because the photo is flipped from left to right. and most of the photos from "other road" is photoshopped, including the pic with the Naza T33 number plate. The pics are mostly from the 207 compact launch somewhere is south america.

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]]> By: hwt http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265960 hwt Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:32:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265960 If we assume the annual car sales is about twice of half-year sales, and further assume the 2010 and 2011 figures are similar to those of 2008, it may not be easy for a European or American car to reach 6000 per year. Mercedes and BMW are about 4000 to 5000 each, but their potential buyers are probably not going to be interested in Peugeot. Ford and Volkswagen are far behind, at about 25 to 33 percent of the Naza target of 6000. In my opinion, if the T33/207 prices are higher than or even equivalent to that of a Persona, Exora or Perodua MPV, the chance of reaching even half of the target may be very slim. Of course, Naza can resort to the tactic applied to 206, reducing the price by 25 to 40 percent about two to three years later to clear stock and to produce a reasonable average sales figure. If we assume the annual car sales is about twice of half-year sales, and further assume the 2010 and 2011 figures are similar to those of 2008, it may not be easy for a European or American car to reach 6000 per year. Mercedes and BMW are about 4000 to 5000 each, but their potential buyers are probably not going to be interested in Peugeot. Ford and Volkswagen are far behind, at about 25 to 33 percent of the Naza target of 6000. In my opinion, if the T33/207 prices are higher than or even equivalent to that of a Persona, Exora or Perodua MPV, the chance of reaching even half of the target may be very slim. Of course, Naza can resort to the tactic applied to 206, reducing the price by 25 to 40 percent about two to three years later to clear stock and to produce a reasonable average sales figure.

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]]> By: intermilan http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265939 intermilan Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:52:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265939 First thing first, this is not for Peugeot enthusiasist. Even Peugeot and Nasim people knew this. This car is for People how buy it not because of it Peugeot characteristic, but bcoz its a car that they find suit their needs, be it large enuff boot, cheap to buy, cheap to maintain, got chrome parts lah, cheaper than Vios J lah, rear passenger space is big and selesa lah, look not that bad lah, boot besar lah (again!) etc. From the heavily negative response by this blog readers, Nasim people should be happy about their decision to bring this car into M'sia. Don't worry too fast... hehehe.. Why?, because opinion expressed here sometime are truly opposite to the real market sentiment out there. Of course, this only apply to certain models. Example, when people here say Exora is underpowered, almost every else outside also say the same. But when many people over here hantam Myvi kaw-kaw, saying all bad things about it (which largely are quite true), Myvi sale continue to break sale records after another, even after being in the market for more than 3-4 years. Hotter models in Malaysia since it intriduction back then. So how about this 207 sedan? .. Without heavy A&P and some price cutting, not so bright, I guess. Jangan end up like the suzuki SX4 sedan sudah... The yearly 16,000 units is a big big target. but that is for the whole ASEAN. Maybe malaysia sale target is 6,000 units per year. Maybe they have better chance with a sedan this time. which got a bigger engine for a start. Surely there will be portion of the 99% M'sia general public that don't frequent this site and aren't so passionate about car that will find this 207 sedan somewhat 'OK'. Sama saja macam vios, city, latio and the rest of those B-segment sedan, which is a very important and large market segment. So, this car is just for this market buyer. Lots of Peugeot owners dont quite like it (good indication), quite a number of 206 hatch owner find the design ungainly.. But just 6,000 nod from the public will do for Nasim. 6,000 from nearly 5 millions M'sian that capable of buying it? Its a horrible thing if Nasim can't get 6,000 M'sian to buy this on yearly basis. First thing first, this is not for Peugeot enthusiasist. Even Peugeot and Nasim people knew this.

This car is for People how buy it not because of it Peugeot characteristic, but bcoz its a car that they find suit their needs, be it large enuff boot, cheap to buy, cheap to maintain, got chrome parts lah, cheaper than Vios J lah, rear passenger space is big and selesa lah, look not that bad lah, boot besar lah (again!) etc.

From the heavily negative response by this blog readers, Nasim people should be happy about their decision to bring this car into M'sia.

Don't worry too fast… hehehe..

Why?, because opinion expressed here sometime are truly opposite to the real market sentiment out there. Of course, this only apply to certain models. Example, when people here say Exora is underpowered, almost every else outside also say the same. But when many people over here hantam Myvi kaw-kaw, saying all bad things about it (which largely are quite true), Myvi sale continue to break sale records after another, even after being in the market for more than 3-4 years. Hotter models in Malaysia since it intriduction back then.

So how about this 207 sedan? .. Without heavy A&P and some price cutting, not so bright, I guess. Jangan end up like the suzuki SX4 sedan sudah…

The yearly 16,000 units is a big big target. but that is for the whole ASEAN. Maybe malaysia sale target is 6,000 units per year. Maybe they have better chance with a sedan this time. which got a bigger engine for a start.

Surely there will be portion of the 99% M'sia general public that don't frequent this site and aren't so passionate about car that will find this 207 sedan somewhat 'OK'. Sama saja macam vios, city, latio and the rest of those B-segment sedan, which is a very important and large market segment.

So, this car is just for this market buyer. Lots of Peugeot owners dont quite like it (good indication), quite a number of 206 hatch owner find the design ungainly..

But just 6,000 nod from the public will do for Nasim.

6,000 from nearly 5 millions M'sian that capable of buying it?

Its a horrible thing if Nasim can't get 6,000 M'sian to buy this on yearly basis.

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]]> By: hwt http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265903 hwt Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:36:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265903 Thanks for the clarification. I can only hope your price estimate is reliable........ If 52-55k MYR is a wild guess, perhaps I should proceed to place my 100 MYR booking for a 45k MYR Bestari, which Nasim told me a few days ago "memang ada" stock. Thanks for the clarification. I can only hope your price estimate is reliable…….. If 52-55k MYR is a wild guess, perhaps I should proceed to place my 100 MYR booking for a 45k MYR Bestari, which Nasim told me a few days ago "memang ada" stock.

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]]> By: other roads http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265897 other roads Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:56:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265897 Dear HWT, in truth that image was emailed to me by a friend - chances are he did the T33 marque himself too :) but seriously I am not too concern about the shapes of things there coming or the price range come pending, I am looking out more on the looming NAP and how it would impact upon all pricing really. protectionism must give way to better consumer protections and pricing. jd powers & associates have ranked us as having poor balance of active safety devices on our range of automobiles presently available on the market. our highway safety board (I believe its that) must begin pushing for our own rated NCAP requirements like the ones they have in Australia – the ANCAP. till they could effectively do this, they are tying our mentality some steps backwards with this Ops and that Ops. The Ops are VERY important – yes truth. but they too must be a pro-active organization. Those are just my humble views, please do excuse me and BIG Thanks to sifu Paul Tan for letting the comments through. God bless all, bright blessings and a happy Diwali. – other roads. Dear HWT, in truth that image was emailed to me by a friend – chances are he did the T33 marque himself too :) but seriously I am not too concern about the shapes of things there coming or the price range come pending, I am looking out more on the looming NAP and how it would impact upon all pricing really. protectionism must give way to better consumer protections and pricing. jd powers & associates have ranked us as having poor balance of active safety devices on our range of automobiles presently available on the market. our highway safety board (I believe its that) must begin pushing for our own rated NCAP requirements like the ones they have in Australia – the ANCAP. till they could effectively do this, they are tying our mentality some steps backwards with this Ops and that Ops. The Ops are VERY important – yes truth. but they too must be a pro-active organization. Those are just my humble views, please do excuse me and BIG Thanks to sifu Paul Tan for letting the comments through. God bless all, bright blessings and a happy Diwali. – other roads.

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]]> By: hwt http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265873 hwt Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:36:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265873 A positive point of 207 is its handbrake seems to be at the right position (the same distance from both left and right front seats), compared to most existing Peugeot models, including Bestari, in Malaysia. A positive point of 207 is its handbrake seems to be at the right position (the same distance from both left and right front seats), compared to most existing Peugeot models, including Bestari, in Malaysia.

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]]> By: hwt http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265871 hwt Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:28:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265871 Found some additional pictures taken from other angles. They seem to look a little better. <a href="http://www.autonet.com.tw/cgi-bin/view.cgi?/news/2009/10/a9100235.ti+a2+a3+a4+a5+b1+/news/2009/10/a9100235+/opt/200001+b3+d6+c1+c2+c3+e1+e2+e3+e5+f1" rel="nofollow">http://www.autonet.com.tw/cgi-bin/view.cgi?/news/...</a> <a href="http://other-roads.blogspot.com/2009/10/other-roads-naza-project-t33-and-new.html" rel="nofollow">http://other-roads.blogspot.com/2009/10/other-roa...</a> The latter is particularly interesting, because the 207 sedan shown even has a "NAZA T33" number plate, and it even says the price range is expected to be 52k to 55k MYR. The dashboard looks strange though. Found some additional pictures taken from other angles. They seem to look a little better.

http://www.autonet.com.tw/cgi-bin/view.cgi?/news/…

http://other-roads.blogspot.com/2009/10/other-roa…

The latter is particularly interesting, because the 207 sedan shown even has a "NAZA T33" number plate, and it even says the price range is expected to be 52k to 55k MYR. The dashboard looks strange though.

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]]> By: AlfaRomeo=Ferrari&#0 http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265811 AlfaRomeo=Ferrari&#0 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:08:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265811 oops, what I meant to say that "... coz the car is being MANUFACTURED there" oops, what I meant to say that "… coz the car is being MANUFACTURED there"

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]]> By: AlfaRomeo=Ferrari&#0 http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265810 AlfaRomeo=Ferrari&#0 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:07:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265810 And guess what, to bring the cost down, NAZA's going to import the CKD packs from IRAN the car is being assembled there! He he, just my guess laa . . . And guess what, to bring the cost down, NAZA's going to import the CKD packs from IRAN the car is being assembled there! He he, just my guess laa . . .

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]]> By: budlee http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265761 budlee Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:13:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265761 wow, the car chassis is pretty old eh.. going for the wira, iswara, bettle, mini longevity perhaps? 207 sedan based on the 206 chassis? kinda like the 206 plus that they sell in some parts of europe.. 207 looks with 206 underpinnings looks like it will have a huge bonnet.. europeans dont like sedans that much, since they prefer hatchback and stationwagons.. hmm not my cup of tea, but then if priced well, it could be.. its nice to drive something a bit different wow, the car chassis is pretty old eh..

going for the wira, iswara, bettle, mini longevity perhaps?

207 sedan based on the 206 chassis? kinda like the 206 plus that they sell in some parts of europe.. 207 looks with 206 underpinnings

looks like it will have a huge bonnet..

europeans dont like sedans that much, since they prefer hatchback and stationwagons..

hmm not my cup of tea, but then if priced well, it could be..

its nice to drive something a bit different

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]]> By: blabla http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265743 blabla Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:41:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265743 one word. FUGLY!!! one word. FUGLY!!!

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]]> By: nighttrain http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265709 nighttrain Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:16:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265709 It's a hatch with an ass tacked to it. Really fugly looking car. Nobody in Europe will buy it. Asian just buy sedan only. Any sedan, including fugly ones. It's a hatch with an ass tacked to it. Really fugly looking car. Nobody in Europe will buy it. Asian just buy sedan only. Any sedan, including fugly ones.

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]]> By: morpheuzneo http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265694 morpheuzneo Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:03:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265694 ommon sensor : on national ommar status for NAZA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In the 1st place, they're not even supposed to have a national car status at all. What are they? basically a rebadged car assembler.. in the same league like DRB-Hm, UMW & Tan Chong, Kah Motor and Oriental. All are just assembler. This is the company that have done biggest damage to our local car industry by bringing in all sorts of recon and new model.. with their endless supplies of AP. This is kak Pidah last legacy lah. Better for govt. to remove the national car status, and let the status held on by Proton and Perodua. ommon sensor : on national ommar status for NAZA

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In the 1st place, they're not even supposed to have a national car status at all.

What are they? basically a rebadged car assembler.. in the same league like DRB-Hm, UMW & Tan Chong, Kah Motor and Oriental. All are just assembler.

This is the company that have done biggest damage to our local car industry by bringing in all sorts of recon and new model.. with their endless supplies of AP.

This is kak Pidah last legacy lah. Better for govt. to remove the national car status, and let the status held on by Proton and Perodua.

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]]> By: pinchboyz http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265692 pinchboyz Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:42:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265692 milanRed, mind to explain more detail on your statement? CKD mean? Complete Knock Down... thanks milanRed,

mind to explain more detail on your statement?

CKD mean? Complete Knock Down…

thanks

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]]> By: lky http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265672 lky Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:48:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265672 nice effort to bring in something new but not this model please... the rear look really bad! nice effort to bring in something new but not this model please… the rear look really bad!

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]]> By: mingyuyu http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265655 mingyuyu Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:34:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265655 Looks like the back of the car is oversized seriously, too bad to see cant get the hatch version. Looks like the back of the car is oversized seriously, too bad to see cant get the hatch version.

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]]> By: milanRed http://paultan.org/2009/10/08/naza-to-assemble-peugeot-207-sedan-locally-from-october-2010/#comment-265642 milanRed Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:53:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16501#comment-265642 fr an insider... peugeot cars need certain percentage of parts to be assembled in malaysia to be considered CKD i.e. for instance, 308 turbo have their tyres and rims installed here whilst the rest is imported.. and 407 have their tyres, rims and bumpers installed/assembled here and the BEStari had the tyres, rims, bumpers, trimmings, batteries, doors here. the 207 sedan should have the same arrangement to achieve the CKD status but which part is assembled in Gurun is anyone guess. fr an insider… peugeot cars need certain percentage of parts to be assembled in malaysia to be considered CKD i.e. for instance, 308 turbo have their tyres and rims installed here whilst the rest is imported.. and 407 have their tyres, rims and bumpers installed/assembled here and the BEStari had the tyres, rims, bumpers, trimmings, batteries, doors here.

the 207 sedan should have the same arrangement to achieve the CKD status but which part is assembled in Gurun is anyone guess.

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