Comments on: New Volkswagen cars listed on Volkswagen Malaysia’s website http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:59:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Abang Fkr http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-289728 Abang Fkr Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:18:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-289728 Is there the vr6 4motion sell in Malaysia? If yes, how much is the price? Is there the vr6 4motion sell in Malaysia?

If yes, how much is the price?

]]> By: talk lorr http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266963 talk lorr Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:05:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266963 cakap_gune_fakta.. you are the epitome of intelligence.. singapore income tax cap at 15% lah! below certain amount no tax lah.. singapore bring in car no need AP lah.. tak macam u punya umno orang bagi free AP kasih orang sendiri nanti kasi jual 30 ribu untuk orang lain.. itu pun tak cukup.. mahu underdeclare lagi! mahu fakta!? saya kasi lu punya otak kosong fakta.. gue dulu beli honda edix 1.7 sama WALD.. tengkok import document dia.. WALD kasi declare kereta saya RM15,000 sahaja.. kerajaan kena tipu.. rakyat kene tipu... orang umno makan gemuk gemuk pandai cerita dan paling gemuk itu pandai nangis sahaja.. mahathir lari nangis.. kena tangkap public nangis.. itulah hal sebenarnya.. mahu bukti lagi? tengok berapa orang melayu pakai kerate porsche, audi, bmw, mercedes in kl sekarang? kau ingat itu duit datang dari mana? duit kerajaan lah.. tapi kerajaan mana ada orang gaji sebesar ini? kau pikir lah.. dia kasi kau makan ketupat.. dia sendiri makan kerbau lah abang! cakap_gune_fakta.. you are the epitome of intelligence.. singapore income tax cap at 15% lah! below certain amount no tax lah.. singapore bring in car no need AP lah.. tak macam u punya umno orang bagi free AP kasih orang sendiri nanti kasi jual 30 ribu untuk orang lain.. itu pun tak cukup.. mahu underdeclare lagi! mahu fakta!? saya kasi lu punya otak kosong fakta.. gue dulu beli honda edix 1.7 sama WALD.. tengkok import document dia.. WALD kasi declare kereta saya RM15,000 sahaja.. kerajaan kena tipu.. rakyat kene tipu… orang umno makan gemuk gemuk pandai cerita dan paling gemuk itu pandai nangis sahaja.. mahathir lari nangis.. kena tangkap public nangis.. itulah hal sebenarnya.. mahu bukti lagi? tengok berapa orang melayu pakai kerate porsche, audi, bmw, mercedes in kl sekarang? kau ingat itu duit datang dari mana? duit kerajaan lah.. tapi kerajaan mana ada orang gaji sebesar ini? kau pikir lah.. dia kasi kau makan ketupat.. dia sendiri makan kerbau lah abang!

]]> By: Safetybear http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266752 Safetybear Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:24:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266752 Maybe the agent is the one putting high price becos low volumes or some strategy. Naza makes tonnes of money, not only taxes makes the cars expensive, profit margins too. Maybe the agent is the one putting high price becos low volumes or some strategy.

Naza makes tonnes of money, not only taxes makes the cars expensive, profit margins too.

]]> By: Pro http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266749 Pro Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:11:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266749 These prices are bloody expensive. RM200K+ for just a VW hatchback. This is outrages. Better still migrate from here lah. Move to US or UK, where car prices aren't ridiculous. These prices are bloody expensive. RM200K+ for just a VW hatchback. This is outrages. Better still migrate from here lah. Move to US or UK, where car prices aren't ridiculous.

]]> By: CCC http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266714 CCC Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:58:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266714 Scirocco at 240k is definitely not worth the money. Look wise, the backside is quite ok, but the front looks very ordinary. Also not really practical. Golf GTI 6 at 210k is also overpriced. I saw a few when I was in Spore recently. Bland and dull at best, even Mk5 is much more attractive. I'd say VW cars are grossly over priced. But there are still many rich "water fish" around to be taken advantage of. Scirocco at 240k is definitely not worth the money. Look wise, the backside is quite ok, but the front looks very ordinary. Also not really practical. Golf GTI 6 at 210k is also overpriced. I saw a few when I was in Spore recently. Bland and dull at best, even Mk5 is much more attractive.

I'd say VW cars are grossly over priced. But there are still many rich "water fish" around to be taken advantage of.

]]> By: Mazda 3 MPS http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266704 Mazda 3 MPS Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:28:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266704 Littlefire said, October 15, 2009 @ 11:00 pm If you work in Singapore and pay the money they offer is cheaper compare buying cars in Malaysia… Memang katak di bawah tempurung… Never even went to Singapore and see… -------------------------- don't have too....u heard of a magazine called "Autocar"? Littlefire said,

October 15, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

If you work in Singapore and pay the money they offer is cheaper compare buying cars in Malaysia…

Memang katak di bawah tempurung… Never even went to Singapore and see…

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don't have too….u heard of a magazine called "Autocar"?

]]> By: Littlefire http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266577 Littlefire Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:00:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266577 If you work in Singapore and pay the money they offer is cheaper compare buying cars in Malaysia... Memang katak di bawah tempurung... Never even went to Singapore and see... If you work in Singapore and pay the money they offer is cheaper compare buying cars in Malaysia…

Memang katak di bawah tempurung… Never even went to Singapore and see…

]]> By: Mazda 3 MPS http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266546 Mazda 3 MPS Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:42:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266546 CAKAP_GUNE_FAKTA said, October 15, 2009 @ 2:59 pm CAN ANYBODY ELABORATE HOW ON EARTH THE G SHOULD SUPPLEMENT ITS INCOME WITH SUCH LOW INCOME TAX? CAKAP PANDAI ITU INI.SUME TAK BETOL SUME MAHAL.KAU DUDUK LA US BARU KAU TAU INCOME TAX NYA X MURAH THAT’S Y CARS CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER IN THE STATES. WE R NOT IN SINGAPORE.THEY R RICH.ITU PUN HARGA KERETA MAHAL JUGAK. ANY SMART ALEC HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO DIFFER? SUCK ON IT. ----------------------- u goblok, singapura punya kereta lebih murah daripada kereta kita CAKAP_GUNE_FAKTA said,

October 15, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

CAN ANYBODY ELABORATE HOW ON EARTH THE G SHOULD SUPPLEMENT ITS INCOME WITH SUCH LOW INCOME TAX?

CAKAP PANDAI ITU INI.SUME TAK BETOL SUME MAHAL.KAU DUDUK LA US BARU KAU TAU INCOME TAX NYA X MURAH THAT’S Y CARS CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER IN THE STATES.

WE R NOT IN SINGAPORE.THEY R RICH.ITU PUN HARGA KERETA MAHAL JUGAK.

ANY SMART ALEC HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO DIFFER?

SUCK ON IT.

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u goblok, singapura punya kereta lebih murah daripada kereta kita

]]> By: tikus http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266508 tikus Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:47:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266508 Cakap Gune Fakta, U memang bodoh lar !! Duit Negara kita semua dimakan oleh ular besar lar...itu sebab kita nak tax banyak untuk cover xpenses lar!!Kereta perdana bikin lebih mahal daripada Merc, stadium 1 tahun runtuh and MACC tak buat kerja..FAHAM!! Singapore not rich but they know how to take care of their country wealth!! Cakap Gune Fakta,

U memang bodoh lar !! Duit Negara kita semua dimakan oleh ular besar lar…itu sebab kita nak tax banyak untuk cover xpenses lar!!Kereta perdana bikin lebih mahal daripada Merc, stadium 1 tahun runtuh and MACC tak buat kerja..FAHAM!! Singapore not rich but they know how to take care of their country wealth!!

]]> By: CAKAP_GUNE_FAKTA http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266457 CAKAP_GUNE_FAKTA Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:59:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266457 CAN ANYBODY ELABORATE HOW ON EARTH THE G SHOULD SUPPLEMENT ITS INCOME WITH SUCH LOW INCOME TAX? CAKAP PANDAI ITU INI.SUME TAK BETOL SUME MAHAL.KAU DUDUK LA US BARU KAU TAU INCOME TAX NYA X MURAH THAT'S Y CARS CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER IN THE STATES. WE R NOT IN SINGAPORE.THEY R RICH.ITU PUN HARGA KERETA MAHAL JUGAK. ANY SMART ALEC HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO DIFFER? SUCK ON IT. CAN ANYBODY ELABORATE HOW ON EARTH THE G SHOULD SUPPLEMENT ITS INCOME WITH SUCH LOW INCOME TAX?

CAKAP PANDAI ITU INI.SUME TAK BETOL SUME MAHAL.KAU DUDUK LA US BARU KAU TAU INCOME TAX NYA X MURAH THAT'S Y CARS CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER IN THE STATES.

WE R NOT IN SINGAPORE.THEY R RICH.ITU PUN HARGA KERETA MAHAL JUGAK.

ANY SMART ALEC HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO DIFFER?

SUCK ON IT.

]]> By: tikus http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266358 tikus Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:01:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266358 Car lover forget about it haveing a nice car!! THIS IS MALAYSIA!!! So pay high price for a junk call viva,saga and etc... Car lover forget about it haveing a nice car!! THIS IS MALAYSIA!!! So pay high price for a junk call viva,saga and etc…

]]> By: Made in Germany http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266346 Made in Germany Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:36:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266346 willpower said, October 15, 2009 @ 12:27 am As long as NAP remains in our shores, FORGET buying new Benz, BMW, Audi, VW, Toyota, Honda, Lexus…etc at REASONABLE price. ~moan~ ------------------------------------------- i agree willpower said,

October 15, 2009 @ 12:27 am

As long as NAP remains in our shores, FORGET buying new Benz, BMW, Audi, VW, Toyota, Honda, Lexus…etc at REASONABLE price.

~moan~

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i agree

]]> By: willpower http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266288 willpower Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:27:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266288 As long as NAP remains in our shores, FORGET buying new Benz, BMW, Audi, VW, Toyota, Honda, Lexus...etc at REASONABLE price. ~moan~ As long as NAP remains in our shores, FORGET buying new Benz, BMW, Audi, VW, Toyota, Honda, Lexus…etc at REASONABLE price.

~moan~

]]> By: riswanrahman http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266274 riswanrahman Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:05:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266274 "nocars said, October 14, 2009 @ 1:21 pm Just stop spending your hard earn cash in any new cars. Period " why ?? you hear something yummy about revised NAP? "nocars said,

October 14, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

Just stop spending your hard earn cash in any new cars. Period "

why ?? you hear something yummy about revised NAP?

]]> By: Mazda 3 MPS http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266252 Mazda 3 MPS Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:40:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266252 if its ckd the quality will drop, which beats the purpose of buying a VW which is well known for its quality built if its ckd the quality will drop, which beats the purpose of buying a VW which is well known for its quality built

]]> By: SoMeOnE http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266240 SoMeOnE Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:48:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266240 well the pug is localy built and the scirocco is fully imported...its got a lot of local content as well....but the prices will eventually go up..naza's sellin them to raise awareness about the brand..if this was ckd'ed it should fetch about 130....so yea..truth sucks eh...?... well the pug is localy built and the scirocco is fully imported…its got a lot of local content as well….but the prices will eventually go up..naza's sellin them to raise awareness about the brand..if this was ckd'ed it should fetch about 130….so yea..truth sucks eh…?…

]]> By: Tiadaid http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266237 Tiadaid Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:42:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266237 Vezeroth said, October 14, 2009 @ 3:30 pm Cant see why gov would want to price passat cc at a premium, p1/p2 got nothing in the premium or even above the 100k segment anyway… except the perdana, but nobody buys that… 140k Pasat CC, i’d be the 1st one to buy it… damn… looks like i can dream on! -------------------------------- If Passat CC is priced cheap, then Volkswagen will cry foul because Golf & Scirocco is much more expensive. Passat's not considered a volume car compared to Golf & Scirocco Vezeroth said,

October 14, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Cant see why gov would want to price passat cc at a premium, p1/p2 got nothing in the premium or even above the 100k segment anyway… except the perdana, but nobody buys that… 140k Pasat CC, i’d be the 1st one to buy it… damn… looks like i can dream on!

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If Passat CC is priced cheap, then Volkswagen will cry foul because Golf & Scirocco is much more expensive. Passat's not considered a volume car compared to Golf & Scirocco

]]> By: lambov12 http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266226 lambov12 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:37:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266226 I love VW !!! I love VW !!!

]]> By: Vezeroth http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266218 Vezeroth Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:30:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266218 Cant see why gov would want to price passat cc at a premium, p1/p2 got nothing in the premium or even above the 100k segment anyway... except the perdana, but nobody buys that... 140k Pasat CC, i'd be the 1st one to buy it... damn... looks like i can dream on! Cant see why gov would want to price passat cc at a premium, p1/p2 got nothing in the premium or even above the 100k segment anyway… except the perdana, but nobody buys that… 140k Pasat CC, i'd be the 1st one to buy it… damn… looks like i can dream on!

]]> By: bobdbilder http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266213 bobdbilder Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:40:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266213 It is so easy to blame the govenment coz the alternative idea that companies are in business for profits is too hard to swallow. I would say the manufacturer and the local agent is at fault. They had the option of the cheaper turboed 1.4. You cannot sell a 2.0l turboed car and say its for the masses. Let's look at the Pug 308. It has an NA and a CBU turboed version in the marketplace. You get the options. Yet it is so much cheaper than the only Scirocco available. Pugeot wants market share. VW and associates wants profit. It is so easy to blame the govenment coz the alternative idea that companies are in business for profits is too hard to swallow.

I would say the manufacturer and the local agent is at fault. They had the option of the cheaper turboed 1.4. You cannot sell a 2.0l turboed car and say its for the masses.

Let's look at the Pug 308. It has an NA and a CBU turboed version in the marketplace. You get the options. Yet it is so much cheaper than the only Scirocco available. Pugeot wants market share. VW and associates wants profit.

]]> By: nocars http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266201 nocars Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:21:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266201 Just stop spending your hard earn cash in any new cars. Period. Just stop spending your hard earn cash in any new cars. Period.

]]> By: Alex http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266188 Alex Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:05:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266188 Golf GTI MK6 - MYR208K Sirocco - MYR238K Passat CC - MYR250K Friend told me that VW will bring in the 2 door version Golf GTi middle of next year. Apparently suppose to be priced around 250K. Way too high! Golf GTI MK6 – MYR208K

Sirocco – MYR238K

Passat CC – MYR250K

Friend told me that VW will bring in the 2 door version Golf GTi middle of next year. Apparently suppose to be priced around 250K. Way too high!

]]> By: mr_3m http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266187 mr_3m Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:03:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266187 Don't SOLELY blame any car manufacturer on the prices set... given the choice they would wish for a LEVEL playing field in Malaysia to compete equally with the rest of the automakers (local & foreign) and may the best product (car) wins! But then again this is Malaysia OK.... all of us can stay on dreaming about affording 'branded' or premium cars to buy with our hard earned cash... Furthermore the Govt always have a say in everything just to ensure things are not easy for foreign automakers when they want to sell their things here... hence we have "Govt approved nett selling price" - what crap is this? Another form of market intervention to ensure survival of P1/P2 or cronies interest etc? Don't SOLELY blame any car manufacturer on the prices set… given the choice they would wish for a LEVEL playing field in Malaysia to compete equally with the rest of the automakers (local & foreign) and may the best product (car) wins!

But then again this is Malaysia OK…. all of us can stay on dreaming about affording 'branded' or premium cars to buy with our hard earned cash…

Furthermore the Govt always have a say in everything just to ensure things are not easy for foreign automakers when they want to sell their things here… hence we have "Govt approved nett selling price" – what crap is this? Another form of market intervention to ensure survival of P1/P2 or cronies interest etc?

]]> By: KC http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266182 KC Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:46:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266182 2 door car will have higher tax compare to 4 door. 2 door car will have higher tax compare to 4 door.

]]> By: nighttrain http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266181 nighttrain Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:41:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266181 Lets hope our friends from P1 R&D and Mgmt, and folks from MITI read this thread and start bashing us for complaining about prices - again. Yeah, you know who you are. Lets hope our friends from P1 R&D and Mgmt, and folks from MITI read this thread and start bashing us for complaining about prices – again. Yeah, you know who you are.

]]> By: mattyboy http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266167 mattyboy Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:30:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266167 wtt - I was thinking exactly the same thing, in all other markets they are around the same price, I know we have to live with the tax situation here but adding on Rm50k over and above that is harsh. I have the same problem with BMW Malaysia's pricing of the Mini wtt – I was thinking exactly the same thing, in all other markets they are around the same price, I know we have to live with the tax situation here but adding on Rm50k over and above that is harsh.

I have the same problem with BMW Malaysia's pricing of the Mini

]]> By: nighttrain http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266163 nighttrain Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:21:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266163 bodbuilder, totally agree with you mate, but as usual, Malaysians will say 'whot, no backseat in the Lotus? How am I suppossed to move more than one babe in case a menage a trois comes along?'. Hehe.. gotta let WV win. bodbuilder, totally agree with you mate, but as usual, Malaysians will say 'whot, no backseat in the Lotus? How am I suppossed to move more than one babe in case a menage a trois comes along?'. Hehe.. gotta let WV win.

]]> By: Perdana Replacement http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266145 Perdana Replacement Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:04:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266145 Oh man! it should be the Perdana Replacement Model...damn... why proton didnot accept WV last time..damn..... I hope Proton produce replacement model same par with new Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.. Oh man!

it should be the Perdana Replacement Model…damn… why proton didnot accept WV last time..damn…..

I hope Proton produce replacement model same par with new Honda Accord and Toyota Camry..

]]> By: mk http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266144 mk Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:54:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266144 i hope all of you who complained did NOT vote for the party that brought on this stupid tax structure.....and don't blame VW Malaysia, spoke to a salesman and they did submit an affordable price for the Passat CC but Gov refused to approve and wants the car to be priced higher in the premium segment. accept the fact that M'sian Gov is dirty and rotten i hope all of you who complained did NOT vote for the party that brought on this stupid tax structure…..and don't blame VW Malaysia, spoke to a salesman and they did submit an affordable price for the Passat CC but Gov refused to approve and wants the car to be priced higher in the premium segment. accept the fact that M'sian Gov is dirty and rotten

]]> By: meteoranaic http://paultan.org/2009/10/13/new-volkswagen-cars-listed-on-vw-malaysia-website/#comment-266138 meteoranaic Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:34:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=16541#comment-266138 at 200k Mk6 is pretty well priced in Malaysia ( lower than b8 and 3series etc ) but to think is just a normal priced hatchback in other countries then theres no doubt we have been taken for a ride by our beloved G ... Malaysia BoleH ! at 200k Mk6 is pretty well priced in Malaysia ( lower than b8 and 3series etc ) but to think is just a normal priced hatchback in other countries then theres no doubt we have been taken for a ride by our beloved G … Malaysia BoleH !

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