UPDATED: The results of the National Automotive Policy review were revealed this morning at a media conference.
The following are the updates I’ve been getting so far from various sources, this post will be updated as I get more info.
- A total of 18 new policies and measures covering licencing, duties, incentives, technology and environment, safety and standards and APs to be effective January 1st 2010.
- Open AP system to be scrapped by December 31 2015.
- AP holders will be audited twice a year.
- A gazetted Customs pricelist for used CBU cars to be established to supplement the current list of new CBU cars. This will be used to prevent underdeclaration of grey import vehicles by declaring then as “used” instead of new in order to manipulate the price, as the gazetted pricelist is currently only for new vehicles.
- A large chunk of the RM300 million expected to be collected from the RM10,000 per Open AP fee to be used to develop the auto industry and increase Bumiputra entrepreneurship participation in the auto industry.
- Import duty on CBU & CKD cars maintained.
- Import of used parts to stop in June 2011 (what???).
- Incentives and exemptions will be increased to develop local auto parts.
- Franchise APs to be terminated by December 31 2020.
- Foreign firms can apply for manufacturing licenses to hold 100% shares in firms to produce vehicles with engine capacity of larger than 1,800cc and costing more than RM150,000. This will open up the upper end of the market while keeping the lower end where Proton and Perodua are protected.
- Issuance of new Manufacturing License to be unfrozen for selected segments – hybrid and electric vehicles, pick-up trucks, commercial vehicles and motorcycles with engine capacity of 200cc and above.
- Vehicles 15 years and older will have to be tested annually for roadworthiness; provisions to be made for vintage cars.
- A new strategic partnership between Proton and an established manufacturer will be established.
- Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment to establish clear roadmap for fuel standards and quality towards Euro 4M standards to be implemented by 2011
- Automotive Development Fund and Industrial Adjustment Fund will be continued. Despite excise duty and import duty being the same across the board for all makes whether ‘national’ or foreign, cars that have a decent amount of local content as well as proof of local activities such as R&D will receive incentives from the funds. This is where national makes like Proton gets an advantage – despite an equally high excise duty, it gets rebates because its cars are developed locally. Supposedly anyone who meets the fund requirements are able to get the same incentives, but it’s safe to say only Proton has that much investment in the Malaysian auto industry.
- Exemptions on statutory income from exported goods will be increased to 30% from 10% for goods with at least 30% value-added content (I’m guessing this means local content), and from 15% to 50% for goods with at least 50% value-added content.
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As expected.. Bad news..
nothing great to know so far….no excitement..
very dissapointed news after long waiting
"Import of used parts to stop in June 2011." – meaning chop shops will not be allowed to 'import' parts?
it means tat imported cars price will be same as usual?? not even slightly drop?
Oh, dejavu! Another 5 years? Satu lagi project BN indeed!
Paul, import of used part to be stop? does it mean no 2nd hand spare part from Japan anymore?
I don't think they will survive on the 2012 election anymore…
Import of used parts to stop in June 2011 ??
No more chop shop?
so where is the second hand parts will coming from? our old wira, waja and kancil?
Import duty on CBU & CKD cars maintained ??
hehehe…many people still cannot buy over their wet dream car
2015?? Hahaha…yea right…next PM who's in-charge he'll push it further back like 2025…and delay it again and again…prtfhhh…BULLSHIT!!! :-(
Same old story…oh ya!! RM300 million to develop the auto industry and increase Bumiputra entrepreneurship ke atau RM300 million to develop all the minister cars to all new S-Class or 7 series and increase Cronies entrepreneurship? :-) Ceh!
This is going to benefit BMW and Mercedes to set their operations here.
What long periods. 2020?
Probably giving more time to those people to store up enough cash to last them a lifetime…
why goverment still want to 'cekik' cars lover
Well Done!
funny gov will always do funny thing.
just like this policy.
the funniest one of course :" Import of used parts to stop in June 2011 "
Im saying WHATTTT???? Tooo!
Like you guys, I am also very worried about the used parts thing. Alot of us are surviving on chopshop used parts as alot of official new part importers usually try to make a killing.
errr…. cheaper superbike if manufactured here???? Yahoo…mat rempit can upgrade
read about it in thestar.com.my just a mo ago…once AP abolished…means nobody can bring in halfcut engines…am i correct?
no more imported spareparts or 2nd hand spare parts by June2011??? where am i goingto find spare parts for my 17 year old civic (which i am STILL PAYING FOR!!!!). the government loves making this sort of half witted decisions. trying to emulate singapores automotive policies…but not willing to remove/reduce import car taxes.
my question is…now that my old car is basically waiting on the chopping block due to soon to be skyrocketing spare part prices, what are my choices?
1)cant afford new import car cos of high prices
2)just keep on maintaining my old car till either i declare bankruptcy or it dies
3)replace my old car with a new "local" car
i think it's very obvious who is benefiting from this NAP…
Wow!! That's a very fast update indeed! Paul, used parts will have NO more tax ke izzit? If really NO import of used parts by June 2011 means GILA le tu!!!
haiya…need to sell our complicated car la soon
The future is coming but our country is like moving backwards…. welcome to Flinstone era!
worried about used parts price and dreaming a new car nxt year……just dreaminggggg…….damn
It is very simple, those bumi will hold all import license of new part, and mark up as they like. So instead of AP to import cars, it will be AP to import parts.
Franchise licenses be stopped means all manufacturer has to setup here? How about TanChong? Sime? Naza? DRB?
Might as well they announce, the AP license will be stopped at "date of annouce+3 years" since it always push away. From 2008, to 2010, now 2015, then 2020 i guess. As long in their term, the AP lives! so the problem will belong to the next if someone else win.
relek paul..another 2 yrs maa..u can still keep stock for ur vintage bimmer…hehehe
Look at the bright side… bicycle parts not affected… :(
as for..a very great relief…if not my car price will drop like tomoro and i will stuck paying for the instalment till die…huhuhuhu
2010 pilihan raya habis liao this time…vote for pakatan rakyat!
conclusion = hampeh… punya la susah nak finalised NAP.. at last.. tu jerrk… also agreed, RM300mil will go to somebody pocket… not rakyat punya benefit…. (tak caya kita tgk…..)
If looking at the price list, what does it means? BMW 320 insured at RM91K, then plus all taxes to become RM240K selling price now?
no more engine transplant after 2011 i guess…
Cutester, it's not we're moving backwards…
they're trying to move forwards, but at the same time still protect their own interests.
it works this way, some of the steps are made to improve open market competitiveness(survival of the strongest) which means less monopoly and better prices for all. problem with them is their policies are all halfway there. they want to encourage open market competitiveness WHILE still protecting their own interests. by doing this, their own interests will have a head start over the other companies which will emerge due to this new market segment. its good if done well, BUT not if the head start company is handled by crooks which will again bring us back to square ONE which is a monopoly by this headstart company!
this is just another crap
Damn… 1st was d dissapointing Budget, now NAP.
Really worried bout d used parts section coz all d cars under my responsibily r older than 14yrs
Thanks to the BARBARIC of a shit who rules the country, this fuc_ker sure there will be destroying the future of the country, althought 100% of the car manufacturing can be set here but duties still the same, wat a shit wondering why Langkawi get cheap car's. Damn you NAJIS_fuc_ker.
well, no import of used parts will not stop chop shops from importing whole cars and then salvaging them for parts. i guess?
ooo, vote for PKR then you can have Merc,BMWs, Honda,Toyota etc etc.. So, Produa will die aso meh? nobody want produa coz they can buy Toyota…
They PKR also say no tax for malaysian..woo.. i am in heaven… No Toll for malaysian..ooo..can race like hell in da highway..
But, where the PKR will got the money to develop country? Jual sayur meh? Or rob the money from petronas?
nothing…….
Hmm i not so sure will the foreign manufacturers will get benefited by setting up plants and operations in mysia apart from merc, BMW and perhaps volks?
yyyaaawwwwnnnn!!!!
Govt no money , even credit card oso wanna makan our $50.
what do u expect ? Lower taxes + cheaper cars ?
Dream-on!!
go back to sleep better ..continue dreaming , even wet dreams
might have a better chance of coming true!!! :)
That they call ' demokrasi terpimpin' – p.ramlee movie.
Vehicles 15 years and older will have to be tested for roadworthiness; provisions to be made for vintage cars.
So another round of corruption? Proton pushing JPN to declare all vehicles older then 15 years old to be 'unsafe' hence forcing them to dispose their car to buy new crappy protons. Because of the Malaysian automotive scene there are hell alot of 15 year old cars out there.. :(
1) acura and infiniti might come to malaysia
2) honda civic, accord, toyota corolla, camry and nissan serena might be replaced w/ acura/infiniti/lexus counterpart as it might be more profitable for them.
3) i hope the minister will clarify about the part thingy. if it this the case, i bet there will be a surge of orders of parts before the deadline. i'm suspecting they want the parts to come only from auto-manufacturers. don't want those wira/wajalusions on the road….
4) bwm/merc might buy off the local shares. they already got factories here…
i think it'd be better if they could explain why their come up w/ these new policies. it'd look like they just come the policies out from their a$$…
woo.. I thing PKR no longer can maintain their state that they got in PRU-12.. last time Mahathir fans boycott lorr..next election they will bring back the votes to BN… if you want cheaper car, stay in langkawi lorr.. no need to argue Boleh Land here…
Hey, some of you wathing Discovery turbo? did you see how amazing Bangla bangers can convert an old car to sporty car..so you can hire bangla to convert your kancil to Merc, ferrari.. hahaaha..
Dream on.. PKR just an illusion, they also never expect they will win in PRU-12 election..haha..
Paul, how about petrol subsidi by using Mycard… RON95 @ 2.70 again?
this time most people will use motorbike again..haha
no import used parts?
mean rakyat hav to 'forcefuly' upgrade to 'local made' car…
the G strategy in order to feed their 'big fat' expenses like RM300 per litre petrol…
Import of used parts to stop in June 2011 (what???).
what sort of rasional can they provide for this ? what happen to owner like me that only afford 2nd hand used car & covert to japs engine because the inablility of purchasing brand new car + the non reability of proton older engine..
oh yea… they dont care bout me… and i dont care bout them.. im a bumi and i just registered as a voter.. but my 1st vote will not be BN.
What a bloody fucking government. They only think of theirselves. Forever bumi only. Those fucking cronies are not there to develop the country but to enjoy people's money for themselves . They are a bunch of bloody fucking assholes.
Have to wait another 5 yrs to buy a NON-P car…
aiya… my V70's driveshaft will be rm2000+ per piece after June 2011… really mankuk la them
NAP = Nanti Apa Pulak?
Paul, I thought they need to adhere to AFTA guidelines fully by next year? If not, how's our neighbours in Asean gonna think? 'F**k thy neighbours' issit?
sungguh mengecewakan… dan banyak loop holes
From Gov's comments: "u stupid poor ppl, just shut the F*** UP and buy P1 & P2 only and live 'HAPPILY'. u stupid rich ppl, go n buy non P1 & P2!!!"
HAHAHA.. damn.
GREATEST NEWS I'VE EVER HEARD FROM BN GOVERNMENT!
1MALAYSIA ROX!
ahhhyaaaa…. what a waste waiting for this revise.
Proton still under pama arm.
NAP = Nak Angkat Proton
This news already expected from early, nothing can changed your dream car become reality, everything they measured is about the profit. same policy only changed the point and figure.
waahhh..so stupid..what the heck..the cars are sooo damn expensive..even more to mantain it(buying spare part) and also to use it(refill fuel)..
As long as his father is still alive & kickin,
where can overide his father's baby, dream & vision 2020.!
How about scrap policy? With the banned on used parts from 2011 will there be any national scrap policy to fill the used parts markets? What about non-road worthy vehicles above 10 years? How about green technology? no special grants/tax rebate/exemption rather than half-hearted effort that is in place now?
On the manufacturing, no foreign firms in their right mind want to open plant here. We have more than enough assembly plant here – Honda Pagoh, Nissan (Serendah and Segambut), Volvo Shah Alam (Volvo, Daihatsu), DRB Pekan (Merc, Suzuki, Isuzu), Naza Gurun (Kia, Pug), Oriental Johor (Hyundai) and Sime Darby's Inokom (BMW, Ford, Hyundai). The major ones are Proton (Casting, TM And Shah Alam), Toyota group (PMSB Rawang, TABM and ASSB). Why on earth they need new plant for volume lower than 35% TIV with duopoly in non national by Toyota and Honda (+ some Nissan)? All these plant operating as CKD plant and they already losing money resulting to the shutdown of AMI (Ford Shah Alam), one of the oldest assembly plant in Malaysia. With our high labour rates it is hard to justify the relation of opening up another plant here in Malaysia. Furthermore all the plant available now is not running to its maximum capacity.
I buy Proton, buy my own house… every weekend bring family to jalan2… happy life..
no need to bash gov like Donkey…
You dont like malaysian. go to America lor.. or singapore..
if u have BMW or Merc so what? happy life? can show-off everywhere??
Hahahaha..congrats on our leaders on new NAP….poor me….bersatu kita bersatu……hahahahahaha..keep on dreaming on new car with cheaper price forver & ever
I think we should consider riding camels again since the automotive industry doesn't benefit us. LOL
duka said,
October 28, 2009 @ 1:01 pm
NAP = Nak Angkat Proton
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No la..Protua and oso Protiga
i'm more interested about the last point. the rest of the points before that are just bu**sh*t in my opinion. no real difference to consumers except to make our life more difficult. this is a one-sided deal all the way.
so who will that new player be??? VW??
Paul, how about petrol subsidi by using Mycard… RON95 @ 2.70 again?
this time most people will use motorbike again..haha
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you know how that works in an 'open' market, right?? anytime the price disparity between open market and alternatives is too big, a black market will appear and grow :) Mykad for rent, anyone??? :)
hahaha… padan muka hangpa semua… kah ka kah.. pakat guna proton kebanggaan nagaraa la lepas nih… hahaha… tu la sapa suruh komplen sangat sebelum nih,,, skrg sapa yg kena? ko dan mak bapak korang jugak yg kena… hahahaha… komplen lagi komplen lagi… padan mukaaa…. gedik sangat nak pakai keter import… hahahaha
as usual, keep your proton and also perodua, thats probably the cheapest car to run after 2011, cause every other thing will be more expensive
Bolehland csn replicate oz rego system use pink slip for car that > 10 yrs old, but no more used part (paul does it means no more half cut?) but lots of immitation part from taiwan… Haiooooo
For vehicles 15 years and older will have to be tested for roadworthiness; provisions to be made for vintage cars.
What this means is that there is an additional way for cari untung tidak halal. Typically the enforcement here is very poor. If puspakom were to inspect the vehicle and found not roadworthy, duit kopi can settle the matter. It is already a common practice on commercial vehicle.
Although the idea was noble, the implementation sure failed. A simple window tinting issue also can't enforced properly. Sigh.
Yes indeed, it's pathetic for the rakyat to accept, it's just day dreaming. Again, malaysia boleh.
skrew them
this is pretty bad on the case of stopping used parts imports in 2011.
By the way, why is proton included in the policy? Proton part of the policy?
OK.
no more chop part imports after 2011
if the cars below 1800 would be positioned to be priced cheaper, then why not!. say…. 25k
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the problem with Malaysia is that we have a weak brand of national car. Govt. needs to protect Proton whatsoever.
if we don't have national car at the first place, we as people, won't face too many policy like this one.
now what can we do is go on with life or migrate. lol
sigh.. guess we have to migrate to Australia then lo if got money..kekeke.. cars there are cheaper, work there also not bad the pay… then can buy our dream car..hahaha :P
I was expecting something great this time.. dissapointed…
bongok said,
October 28, 2009 @ 1:37 pm
hahaha… padan muka hangpa semua… kah ka kah.. pakat guna proton kebanggaan nagaraa la lepas nih… hahaha… tu la sapa suruh komplen sangat sebelum nih,,, skrg sapa yg kena? ko dan mak bapak korang jugak yg kena… hahahaha… komplen lagi komplen lagi… padan mukaaa…. gedik sangat nak pakai keter import… hahahaha
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Baik register nama tu BANGANG terus…dah!!! Pi pegi tuisyen…jgn nak campur urusan org2 dewasa!!!
Import of used parts to stop in June 2011 (what???).
This can be very complicated indeed. It can sound straight-forward, but will bring a different dimension into the maintenance cost of cars… Anything can happen, some P1 parts might be on same price as conti-makes… Black markets, parts smuggling, more vehicles being stolen for used parts, etc…
Its obvious this NAP is to make collective effort to force us to change cars… 15 yr old cars need approval and this is either promoting corruption, profits to Puspakom or making us to mandatory scrap the cars… Rising spare part costs will also push down the car resale value, promoting ppl to buy new ones every few years when maintenance cost is unbearable… (Dont even ask why they dont improve the public transport)… Its all about improving the economy of scale for P1 survival…
This is their last chance to put money to their pocket as much as they can
BEFORE being changed the GOV next G>election……
your car 13 year old still can got new parts what…
chop shop closed down, then NEW generic parts shop will appear loh….
or you can get "hot" parts loh….
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chiewwl said,
"the G strategy in order to feed their ‘big fat’ expenses like RM300 per litre petrol…"
that's Penang State Gov…so I'm wondering, which G are u referring to right now…hurmmm….
The policy is a reflection of "gov doing business with the citizens" policy.
I think whatever the gov is doing now is one last effort to get as much as possible before getting kicked out, and best part only a selected group of people will benefit from this.
And now they are considering whether to price fuel at real market prices, it'll be an interesting 3 years ahead.
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why worry..
when there is demand, there wil always supply, or attempt to supply
china made generic and immitation parts will flourish…..
mark my word..
ive never heard anywhere before in tis world where people of one country would rather vote and change the government just so that they can drive their dream cars…tsktsk..
there must be a reason why imported used parts are not allowed..its sort of a chained reasons i think..the G wanted to reduce the amount of cars 15 years older from the country and increase the sales of new cars be it local or imported.in order to ensure this policy is a succeess, they should introduce another policy which is to prevent used part from coming in..the reason why these "old" cars are still here is because of aplenty of used spare parts available. by cutting off the supply, the demand for old cars will decrease and demand for new cars will increase..the G is smart after all..
still, im in the opinion that the introduction of this new policy is too sudden..hmm..but my vote is still with the G…
Hi all,
I've been reading Paultan for more than a year now.
I'm an expat out here and have always been astonished by the steep price of cars in this country. Even with an income that by far exceeds Malaysian standards, I still find it hard to swallow the price for a safe, efficient and good car.
Government keeps beating around the bush on ALL issues, but especially this the auto industry.
I was shocked to know that some of my Malaysian friends would spend a quarter of their income for almost a decade to pay for an average car. I don't know any of the countries I visited where such a scheme or daylight robbery existed and don't know of any people who would accept such a thing. Not having a car in KL is also a very difficult option.
My hopes were high up for the new NAP, but I guess your tax dollars, sweat, hard work and suffering means nothing to your "elected" representatives. Not cool at all.
In the meantime, I might have to put my car purchase on the side (I'm a car lover and afficionado) and content myself with a MyVi to save for my children's education. But I'll always be thankful I'm not one of the miserable Malaysians shackled in debt to pay for what…? A car!
Sad story.
Just be patient my Malaysian friends. We empathize…
Peace,
Sirim.
ok… you know what? the chop shops can still bring in used cars.. and tear it down…
if u still cant agree…
lets do a petition…
lead by Paul…
can ar?
local used spare parts still here meh…
just for those who bought Mark X… and… Hummer, Chrysler…
the will have a mass problem with cash…
maybe this is an initiative.. Gov do to help Tan Chong, UMW, NazaKia, Auto Bavaria and so on to live…
So we dont just bought cars from them but service, maintains our cars with them.
btw, aint policies shud be agreed by the ahli dewan parlimen?
if its do… no wrong for BN, cuz Parlimen members aint all BN…
rite?
SAD!
As I said before, no effect due to AFTA next year. :-) People who hope for 'cheap' imported car will now losing their hope. So the 'kedai potong' will no longer be around. Actually, it is cheap alternative for genuine parts but somehow Malaysia becoming dumping ground for 'old' vehicles from Singapore and japan. The G should concentrate to increase our income first, then only this policy will become 'realistic'. I like the aim to have a 100% local manufactured in 18months. This surely will create a lot of jobs oppurtinity and open the doors for Malaysia to become automotive parts hub for the Asia.
i love our government!!!..diharap dgn ini makin ramai rakyat akan sokong k'jaan pada Pilihanraya akan datang…idop BN!!
~Issuance of new Manufacturing License to be unfrozen for selected segments – hybrid and electric vehicles, pick-up trucks, commercial vehicles and motorcycles with engine capacity of 200cc and above.~
so we can buy EV, or hybrids… at cheaper price? pick up trucks? Dodge Ram?
hee…
i wud love to have that…
Another dissapointing news from 2005-, 2010 now 2015. Close down Proton. End of story. No more protect here and there.
abolishing tax will not make us richer…
it will make us have more cars to choose…
but it will not make us any richer..
however is does make our country more poorer.. less tax received and more money flow out overseas.
So.. you can drive your hot merc, but the road might be full of potholes…
this would be a worse case scenario…
proton closed down, and put 5000 people jobless.. proton's vendors some also close shop, another 100,000 jobless..
Probably those survived are bumper and car seat vendors..
then govt got lesser money from income tax, and more people in welfare list..
less money from tax from Proton and these vendors…
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Gila.
My 16 year old EG is far better than a 6 year old Proton.
Now, come 2011, I'll have no more spare parts for it. And probably scrap it since Puspakom will tell me it's not longer fit for the road.
Aiya!
Time to ditch my EG and go for a new Mazda 3
FARK the M'sian Gov……they think the rakyat stupid or what??…….increased protectionism, all the AP goons will still be allowed to do their thing, i can smell corruption, tell Najib his whole cabinet can go to hell……..
as expected; all shit! shit govt will come out with shit-lah!
eddy said,
October 28, 2009 @ 12:17 pm
2010 pilihan raya habis liao this time…vote for pakatan rakyat!
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u not worry arr..if PR govern our nation,m'sia economy will be worse than laos..only BN can bring prosperity and development wooo..idop BN!!
Let's not talk about half-cuts, what about owners of old cars now that need to buy other parts like trimmings, actuators, sunroof motors, etc etc which are too costly to buy new? These parts don't necessarily affect the performance or structural integrity of the car.
ive never heard anywhere before in tis world where people of one country would rather vote and change the government just so that they can drive their dream cars…tsktsk..
there must be a reason why imported used parts are not allowed..its sort of a chained reasons i think..the G wanted to reduce the amount of cars 15 years older from the country and increase the sales of new cars be it local or imported.in order to ensure this policy is a succeess, they should introduce another policy which is to prevent used part from coming in..the reason why these “old” cars are still here is because of aplenty of used spare parts available. by cutting off the supply, the demand for old cars will decrease and demand for new cars will increase..the G is smart after all..
still, im in the opinion that the introduction of this new policy is too sudden..hmm..but my vote is still with the G…
kawan….lu bodoh ka…faham kan maksud dulu
paul.
pls list out the benefit of this damn fucking NAP to our stupid G supporters….
Gracias…
15 years car for inspection?
Question: Who is allowed to inspect these cars? Puspakom f^^^k lah these places are the last you want to be there. I had bad experience with them when I go my NGV inspected. I was made to go there 3 times and thru no fault of mine. Do we have enough inspectors to do the job? 15 years and above cars are that old, do you agree? This decision for 15 years cars to be inspected is definitely made from an Ivory tower without consultation from the folks in the street. Stupid Gomen policy time wait for your time to vote.
Dont worry guys,it is for our sake,like what is stated inside their press release.
In line with the Government of Malaysia’s commitment to liberalisation and the “People First” concept, the NAP Review provides further benefits for consumers in terms of safety and environmental protection.
"People First"..let me think about it..
so not only we dont see a reduction of car prices , we might be facing the possibility of purchasing spare parts from the dealers directly instead of the chops shops which increases our already high costs of maintaining a car ?!??!?! …. jesuzz ..
I could be driving a Mazda 6 instead of a fucked up piece of shit called myvi :(
Paul..
dun worry about the used parts thing..
imported new parts business will flourish. either original, generic or immitation. probably somebody will get license to remanufacture old Nissan Sunny parts.
govt got more tax from new and generic parts.
used parts might not be safe anyway…
I bought 2 used wira auto gearbox in 2 years (RM 1800 a piece). all not working after warranty "expired" after 6-9 months. then I just went to the gearbox specialist and ask them to overhaul my gearbox for RM2.5k. it works fine for another 3 years until I sold it off.
So, no import of used parts also would flourish repair and overhaul service. ..
Then there would be less stolen cars, since there are less demand from the chop shop because the chop shop closed down.
Those that create demand for stolen cars are the chop shop.. If there is no parts, then the repair shop would simply buy original/generic brands.
Less chop shop, then easy to monitor and regulate.. easier to control the price.
cheers…
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Import of used parts to stop in June 2011
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Oh my so what will happen to those vehicles spare part?
Half cut is not limited to cars only, what about those commercial vehicles' parts?
It costs a bomb to get new parts, surely it will trigger a massive chain reaction, price of commodities will go up with the reason – no more used parts, must use new parts, transportation fees must be increased to cover the costs etc etc..
And what happens to those people that converted their car engines? If used parts are no longer available, how are they gonna get the car repaired? Some cars are no longer in production, eg VR4, evo 1,2,3, L2/L5/L9, rotary etc etc..
There goes my plan to have a MR2 SW20 turbo.. :-(
I'm glad I didn't wait for this announcement when buying a car earlier this year.
AUTO NAP CRAP
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NAP………………………..CRAP…….
CHOP SHOP TUTUP…….CRAPPIER!!!!!
AP TILL 2015…………….CRAPPIEST!!!!
The system need to be " OVERHAULED" (so do the officers)
….those guys involved(NAP), GET A LIFE……..
meteoraniac,
you ask honda/toyota/nissan/mazda etc la…
why they keep on increasing car price, even though AFTA tax had been decreased to near 0%
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haiya kodok, dont show ur love here la. this is not a political site.
hehehe… teruskan komplen… rakyat malaysia = kereta nak tiptop, cc besar ,kualiti hebat tapi harga mesti ciput, nak minya murah.. tax rendah, nak prasarana dan service bagus… kui kui kui… la ni padan muka… aku sokong sangatlah… kalo kerajaan paksa orang pakai proton lagi aku suka… hahahaha…. tu la yg ada sekarang tak nak bersyukur… sekarang sapa yg padan muka?
@yippi33…
elo brader…either u just plain s***pid or G backbenchers club hah?? do you think that people bought "new", 15-years-old-technology car for fun hah?? do you think that d rakyat is sooooo patriotic to buy p1 n p2 ka??
Import duty on CBU & CKD cars maintained.
What really change in this so-called NEW AP?!!
Foreign firms can apply for manufacturing licenses to hold 100% shares in firms to produce vehicles with engine capacity of larger than 1,800cc and costing more than RM150,000.
Double restrictions, 1800cc to be manufactured here is fine, as expected to continue protecting the P1. But why go overboard to fix the price to RM150k?
Import of used parts to stop in June 2011.
Another joke… If you couldn't find the spare parts for those old car, just keep driving till it broke down on the street twice a week…
Foreign firms can apply for manufacturing licenses to hold 100% shares in firms to produce vehicles with engine capacity of larger than 1,800cc and costing more than RM150,000. This will open up the upper end of the market while keeping the lower end where Proton and Perodua are protected.
WTF?!? Who want to come to Malaysia and sell their cars with a high-price tag?!? Even i am given 100% share, i would not sell if not selling well in Malaysia. Except i consider only foreign country…
BN is totally not considering the people, only consider their AP cronies… what 1Malaysia or mesra rakyat.. My foot… Only benefit those who are selling vechicle and not us using..
Rakyat penting diri sendiri aja yg agungkan barangan luar.. kalau boleh dari kondom ke tisu taik semua nak import… habis duit keluar negara… bodoh stupid… perlindungan industri negara termasuk proton ada hikmahnya… terutamanya dalam mengimbangi aliran wang ke luar … faham dak stupid pentingkan diri sendiri ?… nak semua murah, kalo boleh budak2 sekolah menengah boleh beli 2-3 bijik keter… time tu baru tau betapa traffic jem… tak lama lepas tu kerajaan bankrupt… hahahaha. bodoh stupid pentingkan diri sendiri je tau. bangang.
Send in a lightning bolt and burn their arsses up – these useless najis and his gang – who never spare a thought for the average man in the street and the malays will be worse off amongst the rest . Wake up people . Vote them out next GE
have us thhought that original parts are expensive because there are less demand here?
e rely heavily on chopshops that there are less imports of original parts.
Less imports means more import costs which translates to higher price of new parts.
if you browse internet, for example NEW Nissan Sentra power windows motor listed as USD50. +- RM170
still cheap what…
Out out out chop shop….
In in in original parts shop…..
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the price is for 1999 nissan sentra.. quite an old model what…
if thailand was politically stable, i would have migrated there a long time ago already. More opportunity to make money, cheaper cars & nicer chicks! And their currency is actually higher then ours!
Another in-famous review from the G and this is so call 1Malaysia. What a joke to be told to the whole world.
On testing on 15 year old car……….., some 1 year old Proton also cannot with stand the normal malaysia road.
I don't know about the others but housing loan is already a killer. I don't want to be burdened by a 9-year car loan for a car that might fall to pieces before 9 years is up.
if the government wants to promote local cars like proton and perodua, they have to make sure that the quality of these cars are good. but by the way things are right now, all i can say about proton and perodua is that their cars are not as good as toyota or honda and they are ridiculously overpriced. come on najib and co. we are a respectable nation in asia and we deserve to use good cars be it from proton or perodua or even toyota. we dont have the patience to wait for another 10 or god forbid 20 years for that one car that we all can be proud of. if proton or perodua cant keep up with the rest of the carmakers, why bother to stay in the business? we want a car that can tahan for 10 to 15 years and that is long enough for a car. not cars that gave away after 6 to 10 years (proton&perodua).
hadoi….i'm a student and i own and drive a 1989 proton saga with original proton engine.the engine is in moderate condition after serving for 20 yrs…in august, i renew my 3rd party insurrance+roadtax=mahal nak mampos.. n i wish want to upgrade my engine to mivec sumtting, and the question is, mana nak cari mivec parts engine after june 2011?
if have, i sure mahal lo..
haha…
"good decision" G..!!
TQ
THis NAP is a JOKE, Bloody Leaders, We need a change in Government!!!!
sharkox..
dah tak mampu nak renew roadtax+insurance ada hati nak guna engin Mivec.. pegi la mabuk…..
:)
Forget about that lar .My friend just bought a second hand IS250 from UK for RM80,000.
eddy,
what NEW 15 year old car?..
VIOS ?….
ha ha ha LOL…
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LittleFire,
A lot of ppl in Malaysia do buy expensive cars..
With AFTA, you can sell cars to any ASEAN countries with very low tax.
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How this it goes…is it " Proton di dahulukan. Rakyat di belakangkan." ?
I was wondering about the gazette list that's included here. The list shows the CIF price, what does that mean? Is it the price of the car plus shipping and insurance, or just the shipping and insurance only?
RT said,
October 28, 2009 @ 2:59 pm
sharkox..
dah tak mampu nak renew roadtax+insurance ada hati nak guna engin Mivec.. pegi la mabuk…..
hahaha RT…..
What I think abt our G is they are very short-sighted.
If they want us to abandon our old cars, then they should help us raise our income 1st so we can buy a new one.
If they want us to buy national cars, why don't they make quality national cars? Even our Sabah Chief Minister Mr. M also use Volvo… why? because even our own G also have no faith on national cars, that's why. At least make some FR cars for us… xD
They always tackle problem with short-term solutions.
"1 Malaysia. rakyat Didahulukan, Pencapaian Diutamakan"
^
Clearly shows that they are short sighted! only short term achievement they want to achieve… WE WANT LONG TERM ACHIEVEMENT!
Where do you think all the AP holders will get the RM10k/AP from? Consumer of course!
Why no more used part? Especially when an ori Proton side mirror(just the bloody mirror) cost RM50.
Ralph,
how scraping car import tax would give the government long term achievement?…
please explain…
I want to know too…
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Ralph, I bet you can change it to:
Rakan Didahulukan, Profit Diutamakan.
rexis,
why not you help ralph explain to me that scraping car import tax would give the government long term achievement?
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I have put off my new vehicle purchase for this NAP announcement…..and what a CRAP PIECE OF CRONIES NEWS !!!!!!!
Whatever it is the Gomen really sucking us rakyat dry, am not going to fall for this in buying new car especially Proton-piece-of-shitt!! Dream on… am continuing with my old faithfull … and keep my money overseas..hahahaha
Remember who to vote next time ya!!!!!…
Some cars are indeed more reliable, safer and efficient than our 'beloved' Potong and Perodue. Imagine how many lives are saved each year on the roads if more those 'normal' people can afford a safe car!
and the best amongst all..no more petrol subsidy in 2010!!…i love BN!!!
kevin…
what car?..
kodok..
who said no more subsidy?
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Tiadaid said,
October 28, 2009 @ 3:06 pm
I was wondering about the gazette list that’s included here. The list shows the CIF price, what does that mean? Is it the price of the car plus shipping and insurance, or just the shipping and insurance only?
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CIF is as per in cost+insurance+freight.. :-)
hahaha.why dont pm NAME it 1MALAYSIA NATIONAL AUTOMOTIVE POLICY…haha….but this thing have no problem with us.just go buy myvi or saga.tak pun naik beca.support our local automotive ma!!!btw the duty should be decrease.thats all we want.OR if not goverment should ask proton to improve their car quality.but if malaysia control by PKR or PR..HAHA..same thing.talk…any one can do..realise it…berapa kali election pun sama je.
Imagine next time, buying used car spare parts like buying VCD … curi curi buy over the counter.
A bit sad that Govt has theirs, Proton's and a bit of OEM's interests protected but none of the rakyat's in mind.
kelvin said,
October 28, 2009 @ 3:17 pm
Some cars are indeed more reliable, safer and efficient than our ‘beloved’ Potong and Perodue. Imagine how many lives are saved each year on the roads if more those ‘normal’ people can afford a safe car!
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Yeah no airbag, no ABS, EBD etc etc, and the chassis@milo tin..
porshe! come to malaysia!,,yeehaw
Sell your car and use LRT. Aren't they expanding the railways to Puchong and Subang? Oh….now I see where they're heading now…
if you all wanna cheap overseas car.then go japan buy one toyota.beli sampan kayuh bawak balik malaysia.
RT, not everyone like you so rich can pay RM170 for a power window.. Just ask those people living in Kampungs, they always buy those old Toyota, Nissan and some even old beemers, volvo, merc.. Do you think they have all the cash to went for inspection every year and buy new parts all the time?!? Even some old parts are not available now and can only be gathers from those scrap, how they gonna survive?!? Force them to buy new 'Local' Cars!? Some of them earn less than RM1k a month, do you think they want to loan for 10 years for a BLM SAGA or VIVA?!? Compare driving an old BMW?!?
RT,
TIV is about let say 450K per year. 65% is P1 & P2, leave us at 45%, which is about 200,000 units of vehicle sold in Malaysia. These 200K vehicle is comprise of 40 to 45% of Toyota, 30% of Honda. Out of these 200K maybe around 40% is cost more than RM 100K, and all these vehicle is already can be easily fulfil by the present plant, or already being imported from neighbouring country (Camry from Thailand). Are we thinking of exporting these expensive vehicle to ASEAN countries? Thailand where their TIV is higher is full of trucks, where Indonesia with its Kijangs and Taruna, Kuda and all that MPV. Which market are we looking at? Japan with our FTA (to sell Malaysian made Passat)? Proton cannot be protected, they have to give same incentive to all car maker who build their car here, regardless of class and price, and you will see the makers acquire the plants. Our supplier are known to be crap and will have to buckle up as they knew the threat and Proton should start global procurement and ditch the problematic supplier. Forget about nation building and vendor development programme cause you already given them enough in the past years. Entertain the bigger, international vendors, they will bring volume and technology with their link to bigger carmaker.
I'm sure the G have a good explanation on this. They really should. To me, it is best to improve the facility here (public transport, roads and highways, etc.) than just merely revising the policy and what not because the public will always have a different views over it, be it positive or negative.
Come to think of it, we Malaysians are just too involved and crazy about the automotive world as suggested by an international survey where the result says that Malaysians are the most interested in cars than any other country. Just look around us and we can see many cars that look like it just went off from the race track, regardless of types (sedans, hatches, vans, even SUVs and MPVs).
This clearly shows we really love cars and like to drive as fast as we can on the road despite how terrible the road is (potholes, bumps, uneven surfaces, cracks, etc.)
I take it as a way to indirectly guide us to take more public transport to travel between places, to draft our financial planning especially when buying a new car according to budget and need, and of course to support the local makes like Proton so they can have better economy of scale thru more sales.
Many of us wishing to own and drive a foreign car bought at cheap price. So when this kind of issues is highlighted, we condemn it because our dream cannot come true. Many of us are driving Protons and Peroduas for years and got sick of it for not able to drive a Toyota or Honda. I can understand that, even I wish that I could own a Prius or Impreza. There is this so called brand image and loyalty. We drool over other people's car because they drive what we could not afford.
The decision is ours. To own a dream car, we must put an effort to get it. Many of us want to have foreign cars like buying a Proton. It is a fact.
Driving is the popular hobby for Malaysian. Cheers!
Hey Paul, one question tho
How did those grey importer manage to under declared without being detected by customs? Didn't they know if a new car will have low mileage on its meter plus some cert from the original country of seller to validate the year?
I would urge paultan, or others that read this to put up a petition, with the signature of all the petrolheads and car enthusiasts in malaysia for the goverment to cencel the 2011 June date to stop the importation of used parts. Using used parts and modification of our hard earned cars is not a crime and the rakyat must be given the choice to do so! Lets see the goverment is up to their motto of "rakyat didahulukan!"
Shafiq,
This is where we call forged documents or undertable money come in… Hehe..
C-R-A-B-!
I maintain my profit. You all die your problem.
ps….
kroni didahulukan…..projek2 mahathir diutamakan
@padanloe:
oit bodoh! awat ko ingat kalau foreign company mai bukak kilng sini pakai apa? semua mat saleh ka? semua mat korea ka? xdak lgsung local engineer? local supplier? local welder / operator?? mestila org kita keja ford…bmw…baru la global….d automotive world is not about p1 n p2 je la mangkuk! bodoh nak mampus….patriotik xtentu hala
kodok..
who said no more subsidy?
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from today utusan m'sia…oopps silly me!..my bad..never trust utusan!
Malaysia's new National has nothing new nothing new and nothing exciting for us the tax payers, the buyers who can only buy what we can afford.
Looks like those of us who own cars which are more than 15 years will have a hard time. With used parts out of the way, we will have to puT up with substandard OEM quality parts produced in Malaysia (they will be phasing out imported news parts too, if I have read the Mkini report correctly).
Without proper parts, how are we supposed to keep our aged cars roadworthy?… I smell something bad…
The NAP seems to, at the end of the day, still protect Proton..
Now the biggest bitch is….people who own cars which are 15 years and older, will have to inspect their cars every for road worthiness check every year and you know what this means?
It means corruption will thrive. There is now room to cari makan.
Even if your car is roadworthy, inspectors at monopoly Puspakom will say you car can't jalan. But for a fee, everything can kau tim.
I know, because that is what they tried to do with my wife's car when i took it in for inspection for name transfer.
They actually said my windscreen "tak lepas" because the tinting was heavy.
For RM50, bole lepas, that's what the inspector said.
This is the best part…the entire car got NO TINT.
When i told him off he checked my screen again reluctantly and realised his error. To get even, he damaged my door seal my pulling hard and breaking it.
So…this is probably what will be waiting for us in the near future.
Malaysia BOLEH !!!!!!!!
Littlefile,
your life is full of assumptions…..
my father in kampung earns more money than I am..
he owns a Viva..
city dwellers like us are the ones who always need to make ends meet.
most of them buys those old cars by choice because they either not "qualified" to get loan (no tangible income), or because they simply do not want to get any loan.
Old BMW road tax + insurance is still expensive…. so they also could afford to buy the power window motor. and they are pretty good at maintaining their cars.
As I said, when there is less chopshop, generic and original parts will flourish..and with more demand, there will be less price for the original parts.
As the chop shop become less, the price of 2nd hand cars could drop. hence it actually be more afforable to the target users. It might be so low that at the end of the 15 years period, it is better to dispose them as scrap metal.
Which means we could have a "pakai buang" second hand cars in the near future… That old BMW would cost you less then 2k, and you could dispose them after one or two years.
not bad….
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…..terjaga dari tido ! apa NAP review ..okeh 2 masuk periksa ka nie …ada harga kereta turun ka ….apa? Tak dak? Dah tu buat apa review ? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ….
130 comments in less than 4 hours.. Wow this is sure heck of a great website u have here Paul. I sincerely think maybe you need to prune some of the stupid messages from here cause they're causing a chain reaction of stupidity among the people here… But hey… that's why they call it 1Malaysia rite?
Seriously, channel your view with better words. Just don't come and build hatred towards the government blindly. I'm not sure whether any replacement government will be able to promise you tax-free everything once they rule the nation. That's purely Insane.
Few items I quite disagree with the government:
– Especially ceasing the import of used parts in June 2011 because some people still rely on their old piece of metal (no hard feeling Paul) and low income family can't to buy new cars albeit maintain their old Nissan Sunny
– Also regarding checking of cars 15 years older, its good BUT you know how much Puspakom charges for one of its "services" right? Plus it'll hurt the 2nd hand car business, since now that we cannot apply loan for cars 10 years above.
– Offer a better scrap policy to buy new cars. The current rm5k discount for car scrapping just doesn't cut it.
– Another thing is that where is the new policy on hybrid cars? The gov should take this into consideration and offer big incentives to the hybrid owners since the parts are not cheap to replace. And also they should encourage, or better force P1 and P2 to come with a hybrid model by next year to avoid any compound or levy towards them
– RM10k per AP is bollocks. Just earn the money from import duty and not on the AP.
– And yes I agree that the Proton brand is still rather weak to stimulate the economy of the nation. Its hard to make cheap cars when you cant mass produce it and when the factory is not running at full efficiency. Change the marketing strategy of Proton. Just concentrate to make SAFE, COMFORTABLE and VERY AFFORDABLE car. Much of the citizen don't really care for Lotus tuned handling. Make the seats comfy and the ride smooth and more safety features (Exora nearly nailed it but still have room for improvement).
scotloeb.
Honda and Toyota would not do that… that would not be their best strategy….
but Lotus, Mercedes, BMW and the likes would for the Asia Pacific region.
It would cost them less than to do it in europe..
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Q? why on earth the G still wanna hold on this dieing auto-motive ind,.???? drop it & let it run free lah may be then it can do better…. & try to used the fund for better investment.
kodok…
yes… do not read utusan…. :)
but did you read it or just browse the headlines…
will you please read it again ?…..
look for these keywords: subsidy, target, groups.
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RT said,
October 28, 2009 @ 3:45 pm
Littlefile,
your life is full of assumptions…..
my father in kampung earns more money than I am..
he owns a Viva..
city dwellers like us are the ones who always need to make ends meet.
most of them buys those old cars by choice because they either not “qualified” to get loan (no tangible income), or because they simply do not want to get any loan.
Old BMW road tax + insurance is still expensive…. so they also could afford to buy the power window motor. and they are pretty good at maintaining their cars.
As I said, when there is less chopshop, generic and original parts will flourish..and with more demand, there will be less price for the original parts.
As the chop shop become less, the price of 2nd hand cars could drop. hence it actually be more afforable to the target users. It might be so low that at the end of the 15 years period, it is better to dispose them as scrap metal.
Which means we could have a “pakai buang” second hand cars in the near future… That old BMW would cost you less then 2k, and you could dispose them after one or two years.
not bad….
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In this case, mind to enlighten me where I can get a 4AGE blacktop NEW?
For the goodness of Malaysian PLEASE REDUCE the tax on imported cars. !!!
latest update: Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment to establish clear roadmap for fuel standards and quality towards Euro 4M standards to be implemented by 2011
Are we ready to pay that much for fuel?
Harvinder Singh Sidhu said,
October 28, 2009 @ 11:41 am
'“Import of used parts to stop in June 2011.” – meaning chop shops will not be allowed to ‘import’ parts?'
Of course ! You should stop wasting money on foreign spare parts to keep old foreign cars running, you should buy new P1 or P2 !
scottloeb,
about the vendor…
Proton already ditched those "problematic vendors"..
probably you forgot to change the calendar.. the year now is 2009.
bigger "international" vendors means money outflow.. which means deficit..
and it not always means good. although you might perceived it as good.
Malaysia=bad quality, international=good quality…— this has been around since independence…
you know better……
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RT,
Lotus is never a volume seller, and the Senior mgmt in Proton call it 'Cottage Industry'. VW? Still not sure how/which market segment they're going, higher volume degrade value or higher price lower volume. Its neither here nor there, in the end can die like Volvo (here) if not for the GTi. They might be strong in Europe, China and South America but so does Renault and Opel/Vauxhall and we are talking D segment cars here. Ford dead long ago. BMW & Merc already have plants in Rayong, Thailand and the cost sensitive option is being churned out of their South Africa plants. Ours? We are already dead.
RT said,
October 28, 2009 @ 3:48 pm
scotloeb.
'Honda and Toyota would not do that… that would not be their best strategy….
but Lotus, Mercedes, BMW and the likes would for the Asia Pacific region.
It would cost them less than to do it in europe..'
Mercedes & BMW are producing in Thailand and Indonesia too. Why should they shift production to the smallest market in the Asia Pacific region ?
And it's a myth, that production in Europe is so much more expensive. The salaries are higher there, but the productivity too… ;)
4M euro??!!! start savings for EV car at the future………haha..oil price will be skyrocketing up to US$200per barrell in 2012…very good…no more petrol subsidy, no revised on NAP, toll hike, expensive spare part, high maintainance……
we'll towards to zaman batu again…no money!!!
Daihatsu,
"In this case, mind to enlighten me where I can get a 4AGE blacktop NEW?"
the whole engine or just the parts?.
you could get the new parts easily..
or just convert to 8AFE?. got new from china..
Want me buy for you?
orrr.. collectors is't it.. got lot of money meh?.
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Mohd,
I am working in a European company now…
productivity in europe high?… THAT IS A MYTH!…
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Hahaha…abeh la kome sumer…sape2 dok pakai keta wira tonggek/kancil& kelisa bodo tuh , pandai2 la esp gov servant….jual keta korang, pakai gentu ke, pesona ke, myvi/viva & tah hape lagi….
Takyah lagi nak tgk keta bodo dok psttt psttt tak larat nak pikap kat jalan…tarak duit beli keta besa jgn mimpi nak bawak laju2
current govt is HOPELESS.
I wonder what really are : "Rakyat didahulukan, Prestasi diutamakan".
Rakyat mana? Prestasi mana?
Those suffer the most are rakyat, poor one suffer the most.
scottloeb,
VW still undecided…
malaysia still attractive, even thugh they "had decided" indonesia..
I bet they confirm their intention to get in Malaysia next year..
If VW China not in the way, of course…
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RT, U might be a rich man kid. But overall people here are not as lucky as you. Why i know, coz i am working with a lot of low income people in factory.
Come to Sungai Petani, or those place like Baling, jeli or inner side of the state. Where u can tell me everyone is so rich? Some only drive ke30, 120y and also those old lancer. Even getting a new car loan is difficult, u think is easy life for them?!? Saying is easy than living with the real thing.. How about your salary RM1000 monthly and an old Toyota KE30 to live with.. Besides that if u got family, how u support the house n car?!? This policies only benefit a few, do u think it benefit the whole country?!?
better spend the hard earned ringgit on property rather than car… better investment…
NAP review, we all see it coming for years anyhow, its just a matter of accepting it. No way its gonna be a good review, seriously, we need to grow up and learn to live within our means…family, kids education, retirement fund have to consider before a 4 wheel cage.
RT,
2009, same story on local vendor. Ask the bigger, international vendor to make us a hub lah. They stuck their money here, they still can utilised the AFTA rules right? Furthermore local vendor that only works with Proton job got like what, 70 to 100K of volume per year? What is the error look like? Is it cost effective? Why persona power window switch sourced overseas? With international vendor the common parts will be a big volume and the error can be reduced and value of the part can be cheaper, clearly better cost control for P1 and us the consumer.
Talk about money flow, in the end those who did the design is still the Korean LG and LE expat that being paid in GBP and USD, no? Our engineer is being paid in MYR (and paltry amount it is) and doesnt spare any thought every time the competitors offers better post and pay checks kan?
Mohd,
"Mercedes & BMW are producing in Thailand and Indonesia too. Why should they shift production to the smallest market in the Asia Pacific region ?"
actually Malaysia is the BIGGEST market for ASEAN..
read… iqraq….
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Proton sales will increase a lot after this new rule !
CBU cars will die off slowly :)
Import of used parts to stop in June 2011 (what???).
Fsck Our Lives
Automotive Development Fund and Industrial Adjustment Fund will be continued. Despite excise duty and import duty being the same across the board for all makes whether ‘national’ or foreign, cars that have a decent amount of local content as well as proof of local activities such as R&D will receive incentives from the funds. This is where national makes like Proton gets an advantage – despite an equally high excise duty, it gets rebates because its cars are developed locally. Supposedly anyone who meets the fund requirements are able to get the same incentives, but it’s safe to say only Proton has that much investment in the Malaysian auto industry.
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Does designing "car bumper" make Perodua qualify for such benefit? lol
RT said,
"As I said, when there is less chopshop, generic and original parts will flourish..and with more demand, there will be less price for the original parts."
that is well-said..
if studied and understood fully, you'll find there's so much positive rather than negatives in this new policy. read it with rationale n less emotional. things aren't just that simple.
Another thing i might add… We dont need to stop the importation of used parts. If the annual roadworthyness test is implemented, just make the test compusory also to cars that have their engines swapped regardless of age. If the car passes the test, then it is good, wether it uses used parts or not; as being done in UK and other developed countries.
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October 28, 2009 @ 3:31 pm
I would urge paultan, or others that read this to put up a petition, with the signature of all the petrolheads and car enthusiasts in malaysia for the goverment to cencel the 2011 June date to stop the importation of used parts. Using used parts and modification of our hard earned cars is not a crime and the rakyat must be given the choice to do so! Lets see the goverment is up to their motto of “rakyat didahulukan!”
I totally disagree labelling Perodua as a national car MAKER… they should falls under CAR MAKE-UP.
great news.. hurrah…
aiyah.. LittleFire…
not rich man kid la.. in my wet dreams heh ha ha… :)
only drive a rusa..
thanks for the positive thought..
My other half came from Baling…
Her granddad life is simple.
He said if you cannot afford car, do not buy car..
I think the irony is that the future without chopshop is uncertain. but the good thing is that these NAP changes are still reversible and as now still open to public debase such as what we are doing right now..
hopefully it is a healthy debate…
anyway, I think it does benefit the whole country.
the possible effect would be that the 2nd hand car price will go down, and it will be beneficial for those who previously cannot afford it..
the earlier model honda city could becomecheaper than KE, and KE will be uprated as classics. No more run-down KEs..
They who previously owns KE, might change to early model Honda City.
Its new parts still available. immitation parts from Thailand also aplenty. and the new cars always spot better safety feature…
so no worries…
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those collectors such as fellow reader Daihatsu, might get their own "route" for getting their needed parts. the blacktop 4AGe becoming rare anyway…
Not so many cut shop got one, or willing to get one..
my 2 sen…
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the world that we live today are dying in a very extreme speed that we cant imagine. let us joint our legs together and cycling! band all cars; take public transport; saves energy and control our expenditure! live a life that is truly enjoying what we have, not what we want! be self-control in all aspect of area in our daily needs.
why life is so difficult?! because we don't know what is needed for and we only want to have more!!!!!!we have to overcome the temptation of this materialistic world! lets Help the planet what we called home!
DULU,KINI DAN FOREVER-EVER…RAKYAT diHULUkan and ALL PROJECT G diTAMAKkan…hehe
goddamn useless government
as they saying goes, when the buying stops, the killing will too (read "milking of our hard earn money")…so stay united, STOP buying proton or perodua for 1 or 2/3 month…
National Automotive Policy 2009 Review is a real piece of CRAP.
I am afraid that when my 4AGE engine breaks down in the future, I can't get used parts, I am still driving my old faithful, an EE80 albeit with an blacktop.. :-)
"Vehicles 15 years and older will have to be tested annually for roadworthiness; provisions to be made for vintage cars. "
i am concern about this too…
will be tested annually? for car that 15years and older?
what happen if the car found to be not roadworthiness?
the owner need to buy new car?
or buy other car that is below 15 years old?
or gov will give rebate to the owner?
Are u sure black top is rare?!? Seen a lot near my place here… Even 6-speed black top are abundance here.. Price of half-cut also reduce a bit for Honda VTEC & Also Toyota parts..
Now the thing is that in Malaysia, not most of us can afford new car. Even new car only can stick with Proton or Perodua. I still hope that they will implement that all cars from 2010 will need ABS + Air-bag standart, still is no avail…
Other country already Stability control standart, while even ABS still not standart… Somemore call biggest automotive hub… Went to Thailand and see their toyota city and compare our Proton city… We are like tiny ant to them… Maybe we assemble a lot of foreign cars, but the market is not in Malaysia.
scottloeb,
I like this good nice "debate" with you…
yeah.. our engineers deserves good paychecks… some of them are really good guys and the expat are just juicing the locals ideas dry..
Good talents have to be rewarded handsomely..
Sometimes our employers are so stingy, that they forgot the GOD given wealth they got is just for them to distribute and share..
The problem with our engineers, as I have seen, is not wrok quality. it is the inablility to communicate and express themselves. It have something to do with our education system. but thats another story..
the lousy vendor need to be ditched. IT IS A MUST. there always the popular phrase: the economics of scale.. the power window:
the motor component could be outsourced.here. there are plenty of factories that coil wires and make reliable motors.
plastics and metal parts could be sourced at local factories. there are a lot of factories which produced millions of plastic and metal parts in Malaysia
The vendor's tasks is to put that together, and to concentrate in QC.
Anyway, I do like the ideas of allowing international vendors to open their factories here. I think these approach deserves deeper thought.
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RT said,
“As I said, when there is less chopshop, generic and original parts will flourish..and with more demand, there will be less price for the original parts.”
Bro…ko tau tak harga engine campro tuh depa quote RM2x,000 campur upah pasang…if u know that the original price is that much, are u willing to pay?….CVT gearbox ori for Honda City RM3x,000…..mampu ke if brand new?
Sendiri mau pk
I drove a E36 328i and I cannot find any good replacement for the moment.
Persona is more expensive then my car
No 2nd hand parts means I have to pay 25K for the gearbox.
Tell me about it.
With the billion of local ringgit poured into setting up P1, and with billion of ringgit they lost throughout the years with all the protection provided, and without a decent product from them in the 20 plus years.
I can say that in these 20 years, the ROI for the people is actually negetive value, and keeping using the tax payers monies. The people have not benefited by the national car industry but have been burden by it, other than the the few who have connection and taking/robbing (daylightly) the people's monies.
We are not asking to buy cheap car, but what we are asking is the car price are competitve with the global market and not forcing us to buy crap products from P1. Even the P1 car price are overpriced (considering local made) comparing to global pricing.
It is a very bad decision to set up national car without the resources and with all the mismanagement, there are no long term planning to every decision the government made. What good you will ask if there is no national car in Malaysia? We will lose hundred of thousand jobs? I do not agree, if there is no P1, there will still always be demand for in the automotive industry, there will be companies set up, parts, services, and expertise required. A fine example is in Thailnd. Job oportunities is will available, and companies will still be successful without the national car with the proper management, open / competitive market. Best of all, you will still have billion of ringgit saved!
The government can use the billions of ringgit saved to invest in other industries, with that, jobs will be created as well.
Some people will say that with the national car setup, we are avoid our money outflow out of this country. Without P1, our money will out flow to some companies, and some portion of the money will use on R&D for produce better efficient car to save our limited resources. With the setup of P1, with the billion of riggit invested and billions of losses, and the people sucking money out of it, please tell me where are those people (directors, politicians) put their money? In local banks? Are you sure? those sucked money are transfer out of the money to foreign private bank for their PERSONAL use, and we are still stuck using some decade old unefficient wasteful technology local made car. I would rather without P1, and we are using modern efficient technology to get most of the energy out of the petrol.
There is a big problem on the budgets and NAP, fundamentally wrong. The big portion of the government tax revenue are not from the people, but corporate. If you can see in this budget 2010 and NAP, the government are going for the easy route to generate tax revenue (credit card service tax, property gain tax, AP, etc) and all these money comes from the people. Since the big portion of taxes comes from big corportate, to increase tax revenue, the best way to do it is to help companies / business (big or small) thrive. So you will get more tax revenues.
But considering this is Malaysia, and most of them are their "brothers", it's quite hopeless to think the GLC big corporate will thrive. So the government is better off getting sucking the money from the people than their "brothers".
Thanks for reading, this is a hopeless place.
huh..again…
no reason for us to be happy…
after the budget that really upset us..
now the G comes with something that really benifit the G and gang.
we???
nothing for us..
For G supporters and Proton staff who keep saying padan muka to everyone, all I want is a safe, comfortable and maybe non sluggish car that you can't produce. I ask for a fair price, nobody ever asked a RM150,000 Nissan GTR(in Japan) to be sold at RM70,000. That'd be crazy. But RM600,000 for the car here is just too much, right? Just an example. Can the policy be made so that the example car be sold here at say RM180,000 to RM200,000? Fair?
My land is your land. It appears thet our G is using force to tie our hands behind our backs. Even if a new G steps in I don't think thel'll risk losing hundreds of millions of income from the auto industry. Money that's used to run the country. Pay for your children's education etc.. or so they'll tell you.
As Rakyat, we're put between a rock and a hard place by the G and the Opposition. Unless the G figures out a way to supplement the income from elsewhere, we'll have to live with the ridiculous automotive prices.
Oh, and they're reading this string as we continue to pour our dissatisfaction. Those who thread on sensitive issues(you know, sensitive stuff, hush hush) will be marked and their houses watched. So make your comments within Paul's limit, hehe.
This new NAP is good. At least it will discourage people from buying new cars and focussing more on public transport. Almost all new graduates will buy a car whether new or used as soon as they get their first pay slip.
Raising the import tax would also be beneficial as it would provide more income to the nation. Most people in Malaysia are able to pay up to RM300k for a used japanese motorvehicle or RM80k for a C-segment thai CKD so a 5% raise on taxes to improve public transport would be good for the future.
Hopefully, the money gained from the AP Holders will be used to developed green and hybrid vehicles made in Malaysia. I prefer more money to be spent on developing an efficient public transport system compared to clogging up the highways and roads with cheap cars.
the people are being put into misery because of limited number of high rank people fulfilling their dream. All the established manufacturers like honda, toyota, VW and etc have set up MANUFACTURING plants in neighbouring countries and this has generated so much income for the country and job opportunities of more than million. In malaysia, their reason is to protect 19000 workers while neglecting the real opportunity to create job for millions and generate income instead of our country deficit adn total reliance of oil resources. hmm… see la down the road of 20 years all of us will suffer especially the younger generation. Then we will become rioting unrest country while neighbouring countries are prospering. We are just too shortsighted – can anybody made glasses to improve the responsible party to see clearer and protect our country future.
So why Stop importation of spare parts?
If Malaysia BOLEH, we can produce BETTER part and less costly.
Sad truth is, with these goons and dead weights on top Malaysia sure tak boleh mah.
My Satria spare parts all all made in "Taiwan". How come ah? Malaysia don't produce spare parts ah? hahaha
I buy made in taiwan parts why? Save some money to buy maybe more FOOD? Baby milk?? House loan??? Silly for the government to think we siao siao pay more for local parts that are worst for what?
Proton "may" have gotten rid of bad vendors if we believe them. Do you think they'd throw out thier inventory? Probably not.
The whole "new" NAP is the government going around beating the bush, and arriving at the same point where it started.
Fuel Prices will go up
Insurance prices will probably go up
Spare part prices will probably go up
No break in taxes
More "inconveniences" and "costs" for people that actually CANT afford a new car. The government think that these people chose to drive a 20 year old car ah?
Besides, if the government want us to buy more protons why not drop the taxes on local cars??? Last checked, I paid something like 8k in taxes for my proton. (oh crap, just remembered that Perodua and Naza also considered "local" can't do that then..lol)
Its very easy not to love this government at this point.
Its quite amazing what the government makes us as.
So it ended up as another bash post. But then again, they deserved it.
How to monitor more than 15 year old cars? I bet most are not vintage cars but those pakcik in kampung using old toyota or nissan cab engine. Hassle for them to go every year.
Still need to find partner is it? This time Proton become lIke that Ali Mamak song. Apa nak jadi. Keep being picky and no one want to make collaboration. beggers are not choosers. In this case, Proton is still begging as tariff structure also protects proton's market. So as long as proton does not venture high end, people will be forced to buy. Sure gov will say we don't force people, but this is being more towards communism.
More than RM150k cars to cost cheaper? Then better save lots of money and buy a non-proton instead.
Headache said,
I drove a E36 328i and I cannot find any good replacement for the moment.
Persona is more expensive then my car
No 2nd hand parts means I have to pay 25K for the gearbox.
Tell me about it.
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agree with him
I drove a w124 and its about 20 years old ++.
I still can't afford to buy a new Gen2 compare to my Merc.
and…no proton n perodua car can replace my w124 car until now..
just tell me…
can't the local 'carmaker' (the P1 and P2) really produce a car that can match
with the 20 years old W124 Merc and some of the BMW cars?
i still stick with my answer…NO! the cannot produce it.
come on laaa policy maker…wake up…where is the spirit of 'Rakyat didahulukan'
go to hell with all the policy maker…menyusahkan rakyat…
Hi,
Soooo many hatred for this topic and most of them anger people doesn't really understand what they are angry about.
One thing for sure – because they can't afford to buy their dream car.
NAP aims to protect national auto industry which mean not only Proton but other's too, be it Tan Chong, Naza, Inokom and so on.
Open AP means U. yes U reader can apply for it. Go on and create a company and apply for AP. But get ready to be audit twice a year. Coz the problem with AP is that u apply for it and then sell it off to a 3rd party which is wrong.
(Paul Tan says: You can't. New applicants for Open AP remains frozen.)
Import of used parts to stop. I believe there's a longer story to this. and it is time to curb those unwanted kancil with turbo or annoying racer wannabe who use the road as it please. yes, i'm calling you it. For those looking for used spare parts might be unlucky and it sucks to be u.. haha.. joking. Maybe there's some regulation on the import of used parts. I donno.
While the import of used parts is stop, there's an incentive for those who wanted to start involving themselve in part's manufacturing. which translate to new part at cheaper price(maybe.)
Franchise AP means that there's no direct involvement of the car company in Malaysia and those who see there's a need to enter our market may need to establish their existant in Malaysia which translate to job opportunity and better support for vehicle purchase from them. With the opening of 100% foreign holding they might be interested. Malaysia still the biggest passenger car market in ASEAN. Indonesia is biggest MPV market thus VW Touran assembly there while Thai is biggest Pickup market. This also open up to those interested to buy a big engine car to buy a competitively priced car from them. (do remember that there's no firm decision on how to decide who to receive petrol subs. so choose wisely)
New license for hybrid and electric, i can see this mostly to the advantage of Proton since they were about to manufacture electric car soon.
15 years and above, is for all vehicle. To me those lorries that age more than 15 years should be off the street, too much pollution from them and their slow moving (due to low maintenance done on it) make it a nuissance in the rush hour. and tested by PUSPAKOM is computerized, I maybe naive to say that they should not be any 'duit kopi' problem. just register your 20 years car as vintage.. solve your problem. haha.
and Euro so productive? hah! Asia is more productive actually.
Euro Worker
– no overtime
– no weekend work
force them to work overtime, they will mogok and stop the whole production.
Some of the factory there still open due to the worker union who force gov to keep the shop open instead of closing it down and open a new on in china or vietnam.
CBU car market dying is so far from happening. Just work hard and you also can afford to buy those expensive car. but better buying a house than a car. expensive house last u longer than an expensive car.
Malaysia Boleh!!
pure bullshit…nothing else..by 2020 they will review the whole nonsense and postpone it to 2050..
Dear Daihatsu,
I am afraid that when my 4AGE engine breaks down in the future, I can’t get used parts, I am still driving my old faithful, an EE80 albeit with an blacktop..
Dun worry, you could always got them from e-bay.. :).
There will always ways to overcome any problem..
You might not get the parts at you favorite kedai potong anymore, but you will get it… There will always be the way.. and it will not be expensive..
And the parts will not just disappear come 1st Jan. Probably it wil take few years to finish them all.. LittleFire said it is still abundant..
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Littlefire:
"Now the thing is that in Malaysia, not most of us can afford new car. Even new car only can stick with Proton or Perodua. "
Haiyah, you still talking about new car meh… do you read all my post or just skim through…
those cannot afford new car can buy used car. the price of 2nd car wil be cheap and everybody can buy them.. pakai buang…just like air asia's promo: now everybody can have a decent car… (not run down KEs)
I agree with you on ABS.. I want ABS EBD in cars and all new busses/lorries etc…
On the Malaysian and Thailand mafacturing, quite in reverse actually: our market is for local consumption, their market is for export…
if Govt want to force us to use local made car…
please produce a really outstanding car…
make it with your heart..not just cincai2..
dear benggali roti,
naper nak tukar engin dgn gearbox…
tak pernah dengar perkataan "overhaul" atau "rebuild"
aku overhaul gearbox auto wira: RM2500 boleh pakai 3 tahun..
beli kat kedai potong tahan 9 bulan je.. RM1800 siap pasang..
mana lagi untung?..
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base menatang bengong dekpong!!
Headache said,
I drove a E36 328i and I cannot find any good replacement for the moment.
Persona is more expensive then my car
No 2nd hand parts means I have to pay 25K for the gearbox.
Tell me about it.
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agree with him
I drove a w124 and its about 20 years old ++.
I still can’t afford to buy a new Gen2 compare to my Merc.
and…no proton n perodua car can replace my w124 car until now..
just tell me…
can’t the local ‘carmaker’ (the P1 and P2) really produce a car that can match
with the 20 years old W124 Merc and some of the BMW cars?
i still stick with my answer…NO! the cannot produce it.
come on laaa policy maker…wake up…where is the spirit of ‘Rakyat didahulukan’
go to hell with all the policy maker…menyusahkan rakyat…
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Simple enough, G just want us to drive Proton.
My car have ABS + ASC + Air bags. I double Proton Base model (which is more expensive then my car) have those.
I'm lost with the country I'm in….
KerelBort
Do you what productivity is or not? Don't make yourself look silly trying to sound smart.
With that sort of high WAGES and SHORT WORKING HOURS in Europe, European companies can still stay relevant in our global economy and continue to complete.
Malaysia so productive ah? If you ever run a factory here you see people working overtime, but produce nothing.
RT said,
October 28, 2009 @ 5:15 pm
dear benggali roti,
naper nak tukar engin dgn gearbox…
tak pernah dengar perkataan “overhaul” atau “rebuild”
aku overhaul gearbox auto wira: RM2500 boleh pakai 3 tahun..
beli kat kedai potong tahan 9 bulan je.. RM1800 siap pasang..
mana lagi untung?..
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Not every situation you can overhaul or rebuild. Guess you don't drive long enough.
Kerelbort: I support you 100%. If invest in house guarantee no money lost. I also hate seeing this speed demon kancils and wiras on the roads. No money but acting like driving supercar.
If you crave buying a cheap imported car so much, go apply for job overseas then come back after 2 years. Guarantee you can come back and then buy 2 cars with your AP. No need to pay import duty. So go and get a job overseas.
my 20 years old w124 is much more reliable
than 7 years old P1 and P2 car….
does the malaysia policy maker are those that are stupid,
blind and deaf people?
we don't want a deaf, blind and stupid govt that always
think about their pocket
Nothing new. Same news reported by different minister.
luriazidnaffa said,
October 28, 2009 @ 4:53 pm
“Vehicles 15 years and older will have to be tested annually for roadworthiness; provisions to be made for vintage cars. ”
i am concern about this too…
will be tested annually? for car that 15years and older?
what happen if the car found to be not roadworthiness?
the owner need to buy new car?
or buy other car that is below 15 years old?
or gov will give rebate to the owner?
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It is simple. If the car failed, then the owner need to fix it and do re-inspection again. It is to make sure the car is roadworthty. So the owner need to keep the car properly. This will keep dangerous car from the road.
Headache,
I totally agree with you. Sometimes the parts just are not available anymore and has to be obtained from a used engine. It may also be too expensive to overhaul… might as well plonk in a used but still good engine. And I'm not even talking about performance modding here. So, for those cases how? Would we be forced to junk our faithful old cars? Is there a fixed scrappage value? I mean they can't just do things like this without proper counter measures.
Import of used parts to stop in June 2011 (what???)
Vehicles 15 years and older will have to be tested annually for roadworthiness; provisions to be made for vintage cars.
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for sure good for our policeman they will have more overtime and income after this , cause car stolen cases will increase.for those yang dah kena blacklis or yang tak kerja makan gaji alamatnya kena naik public transport la seumur hidup.nak beli kereta baru tak mampu nak maintain kereta lama pun kos tinggi.
Habis…la my car is nearly 15 years ! Got to go puspakom every year to check ! And no more second hand spare parts ! So all those chop shops have to tutup kedai ? The one who benefit the most are the ones getting the 300 millions ! And the AP holders again.
If the government wants to grow the economy, taxing them more probably isn't the wisest move.
1) You got corporate tax already.
2) you tax your citizens (ok, its quite low but still….)
3) you tax them again when they buy a car
4) you tax them again when you raise the bank interest rate (that paid for the tax) and tax them again for holding credit cards (WTF? why tax a service?) when they don't have cash flow.
5) you tax them when they fuel up thier cars (only an eventuality)
6) you "tax" them again when its time to fix thier car
7) you "tax" them again when you mandate yearly inspections (I suppose they will not be "free")
Seriously how many level of taxes is there?
And if you are trying to figure why the economy isn't growing. Helloooo..ppl got no money to spend.
So some arse will argue same happens overseas. Before you do that care to also point out the purchasing parity there as well.
Looks like from the announcement of NAP n budget 2010, some ppl are already preparing for defeat in the next election. So better makan n grow as fat as possible while they still can.
Foreign firms can apply for manufacturing licenses to hold 100% shares in firms to produce vehicles with engine capacity of larger than 1,800cc and costing more than RM150,000. This will open up the upper end of the market while keeping the lower end where Proton and Perodua are protected.
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Hey whats all the swearing u guys. Maybe u just hate the Melayu Kelantan Tok Pa ke?
This means a lower budget dor my dream car what…
1.8 will be cheaper!!!
dear 4G63tDSM,
malaysia overtime produce nothing..
europe don't need overtime to produce nothing..
you should compare europe factory worker w/ malaysian factory worker.
europe engineers n/ malaysian engineers.
not europe engineer and malaysian factory workers.
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The govermenr will not change in PRU 13. It will strengthen. Believe me they know. Thats why they come up with this light policy. Look at Bagan Pinang. The shorty won!
And this mean in PRU 13 a songkok as BN candidate will win!
This new draconian policy i.e. NAP just want to completely block off all possible way for many rakyat that now able to avoid P1 & P2 (by buying used imported cars).
They dont care about anything else, really.
most measures to cekik this segment is here. puspakom will perform the killing off.
now, low to middle income people will have no choice but to buy only new P1 & P2. or if they super stretch their budget, some over-expensive dupe products from the japanese. and kill their family in the process.
This draconian policy is, by its impact is far worse than the ISA!
Abolish ISA? Better abolish NAP!
God damn it.
Wonder this NAP is benefit to our country or just benefit to the PROTON (or somebody )?
Stop used part come in is a super stupid idea , which wanna force us change our car to proton/perodua. we are developING country not developed country .
can our citizen afford to change a new car in 3-5 yr cycle ,even just kancil also not affordable change within 3-5 yr for a mid income ppl (let say 2k/month).
Really very very sad on this G, they really not thinking on citizen ……
they just care themselves pocket and benefit …..
PROTON / PERODUA is a cheat to all malaysian .
RT said,
October 28, 2009 @ 2:49 pm
have us thhought that original parts are expensive because there are less demand here?
e rely heavily on chopshops that there are less imports of original parts.
Less imports means more import costs which translates to higher price of new parts.
if you browse internet, for example NEW Nissan Sentra power windows motor listed as USD50. +- RM170
still cheap what…
Out out out chop shop….
In in in original parts shop…..
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You obviously dont know that new imported parts are taxed at 40%. Your so-cheap example part that costs RM 170 overseas will cost over RM 350 locally after import duties, shipping, and stockist profit. And without the used market to compete with, stockist prices will go even higher, not lower.
So you are crazy if you think this will lower vehicle theft. It will send it skyrocketing because the cost of parts will have gone up so much. BTW stolen parts are usually sold privately or directly to workshops, so getting rid of kedai potongs wont do anything.
Old BMW roadtax and insurance is not expensive, here you are talking rubbish again. Many of those old BMW kakis arent rich but they keep their cars in good condition because they are very resourceful in sourcing secondhand parts. How ignorant and selfish to say they can simply afford to buy all new parts from Germany, some of which are not even available new anymore. Most simply won't be able to afford it. Oh that's right you are only hoping to buy their cherished BMW for 2k then run it into the ground in a year…real classy.
Hey RT, point taken.
On the company level it doesn't matter if I hire 10 engineers or 100 general workers (assuming they cost the same for the lot). At the end, who can compete, who cannot. The winner is the more productive one.
Malaysian general workers aren't the most productive bunch out there.
the dumbest ppl buy cars.. geniuses buy properties..
"…..Old BMW roadtax and insurance is not expensive, here you are talking rubbish again. Many of those old BMW kakis arent rich but they keep their cars in good condition because they are very resourceful in sourcing secondhand parts. How ignorant and selfish to say they can simply afford to buy all new parts from Germany, some of which are not even available new anymore. Most simply won’t be able to afford it. Oh that’s right you are only hoping to buy their cherished BMW for 2k then run it into the ground in a year…real classy."
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Correct, guess he don't even know how to calculate insurance, I don't think he owns a car.
don't worry proton coming out with a TURBO CPS(Cepat Pun Sama) enjin….everybody can enjoy hugh quality proton cars….don't need imported cars…LOL….NAP 2009 wat a joke…..
If VW builds Sirocco here, we can buy it for RM150,000. Is that what it means?
Paul, we are using euro 2M standard right now arent we? so, they are planning to use 4M standard already?
jilatbontot said,
October 28, 2009 @ 5:22 pm
Kerelbort: I support you 100%. If invest in house guarantee no money lost. I also hate seeing this speed demon kancils and wiras on the roads. No money but acting like driving supercar.
If you crave buying a cheap imported car so much, go apply for job overseas then come back after 2 years. Guarantee you can come back and then buy 2 cars with your AP. No need to pay import duty. So go and get a job overseas.
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jilatbolot,
actually I find nothing wrong with speeding, it's just the way u speed
god damn those that suddenly turn out from other lanes without even a bloody signal, and also those that can't wait for the green light, to hell with them
and it's not like we carve for import cars, all the vios and city out there, 80% of them just buy the car because they can't stand P1 and P2 quality… if our car makers would come out with something close to the vios/city's quality with the same price, i'm sure lots of people will choose P1/P1, the main thing is QUALITY here, we don't want something that has problem 2 months into owning it… and btw, I LOVE PROTON PUTRA
Wow…everyone here seems capable to be a PM OR minister and build a country!!
Chop shop can still cari makan. Wait for car accdients lah bro. We Malaysian like to accident what….
guys,
If it's true there will be no import of used car parts after 2011, I bet all those rare recon car resale value will drop like hell…. Who's gonna pay later for that "unique and rare" used part when you need to fix them?
TIU NAP!
Why not malaysia road only allow proton and perodua badge .
simple way to protect the stupid local automobile manufacturer.
No matter u rich /poor , what pangkat, even YB Agong , Sultan, menteri, all only using proton and perodua only …fair to all malaysian .
a clear road path to make certain company richer.
most of the chop shops are owned by certain race. u get what i mean .
kalau proton buat keta yang kualitinya LEBIH dari keta2 jepun atau eropah, baru aku setuju dengan polisi hempeh ni..
technik,
you exagerate stuffs to prove your point hah… :)
40% where got?..
AFAIK it only 5 to 30 percent….
the cost for frequently stolen cars will not skyrocket, since there are usually new cars. and the price should will not exceed the price for NEW and ORIGINAL parts
Hence there will be more demand for NEW and ORIGINAL parts, brining the price down, and eventually reduces demand for second hand parts, and reduced theft..
road tax for W124k = RM2000 am I not right?.. how much the insurance cost?. my rusa road tax less than RM150.
I don't need their cherished BMW if I got 10 year old BMW for 5k…. and will as-you-say it run it into the ground.
They might also want to change..or wait until it is 25 years old, and claimed it as classics.
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What to do… boycott buying Potong laaahhh :)
a BIG "DOOM" to Malaysia G. liao, Is this the "rakyat benefiting" PolicY? Sigh… Shouldn't come back to this country…
well, i'm clear where my vote will be heading…From histories to present, all domineering autocratic ruling will fall…For instance, Afgan, Iraq, etc
After 2020, extend to 2030…. I hope by the end of our generation, the real malaysian dont have to bare with such crap anymore!
nighttrain said,
October 28, 2009 @ 6:03 pm
If VW builds Sirocco here, we can buy it for RM150,000. Is that what it means?
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if assembled in malaysia with a lot of local content with most of R&D done in Malaysia, then maybe.
Al buffoni said,
October 28, 2009 @ 5:34 pm
Foreign firms can apply for manufacturing licenses to hold 100% shares in firms to produce vehicles with engine capacity of larger than 1,800cc and costing more than RM150,000. This will open up the upper end of the market while keeping the lower end where Proton and Perodua are protected.
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Hey whats all the swearing u guys. Maybe u just hate the Melayu Kelantan Tok Pa ke?
This means a lower budget dor my dream car what…
1.8 will be cheaper!!!
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bro, the 1.8 car must be min RM150K. So Honda Civic 1.8 or any other 1.8 cars below RM150k will not be any cheaper. C200 maybe…
How come rakyat got no subsidy (petrol to follow market rate soon) but companies get subsidy?
Those who came up with this plan actually need to know the real reason why there're so many old cars on the road.
It seems like this is a case of guna otak, untuk sendiri.
And please don't compare us with Europeans. Generally in Germany, their work pace isn't as hectic or long and yet they have better living standards. Is something wrong somewhere?
sad… wawasan 2050.
lpas merdeka dr 300 thn penjajahan pun jd gini.
Gua x tau nak ckp apa lg…
Import of used parts to stop in June 2011 (what???)
New business opportunity for recon and refurbish old part become new part
New business to made old design spare part for old car? (may be Gov try to give chance to this bad proton supplier to survive when proton cut them off???)
I guess Proton really need good explanation on this cause you can't just totally ban imported 2nd hand part like this.
It is like forcing we people to sell old and buy new ==
Foreign firms can apply for manufacturing licenses to hold 100% shares in firms to produce vehicles with engine capacity of larger than 1,800cc and costing more than RM150,000. This will open up the upper end of the market while keeping the lower end where Proton and Perodua are protected.
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This measure from G will not lure foreign manufacturer into Malaysia. Why?
Because:
1) Malaysia has one of the highest excise duty in the world. It is the excise duty that kills.
2) Low sales volume (due to high excise duty), maybe only few thounsand units per manufacturer.
3) Restrictive access (unable or difficult to export) to foreign countries due to retaliation by foreign countries on malaysia Non tariff measures. – foreigners are not stupid.
The foreign manufacturers will definitely set up their factories in other SEA countries and not in Malaysia, afterall, if they bring it into Malaysia, their cars will be subjected to the same tax structure (no incentive). Furthermore, these SEA countries have the liberty to export to other countries with free access (I cannot say of Malaysia as there will be punitive measures imposed by other countries due to malaysia's own high excise duty and other non tariff measures – foreign countries are not stupid).
This is the answer which someone still tot we are automotive leader…
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/busi…
KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 28 — Minister of International Trade and Industry Datuk Mustapa Mohamed admitted today that the Thai auto industry had surpassed Malaysia’s despite entering the game at a later stage.
See Thailand had overpass us even they enter later stage!!! WTF… Thank to NAP!
NAP what?
I don't care what are the price of classic(old) car or new car, be it local or imported car as long the public transport is efficient and well connected in Boleh Land..
can somebody show me an efficient and well connected public transport in Boleh Land ??? sigh..
well its out. another reminder why in 2013, exercise your rights.
just add the word "selected" and it all falls into place. selected bumiputera, selected exemption, selected incentive, selected ap holders, selected 15-year-old-tester company, new manufacturing license to selected ……
we are definitely heading to another bubble like 1998.
Proton and Perodua, you guys better come up with good quality models or else all of us will lose our minds.
stupid policy from stupid gov… those who vote for BN are stupid…
Nah..love message from G. I luv it
It's time for us to demand for better public transportation system. I hope there will be a strong NGO body that will fight for this.
visit transit and support us for better public transportation system in Malaysia.
http://transitmy.org/
It is another standard 'teh tarik and karipap' session policy. They come up with this crap with their karipap in their mouth. I don't see anything great! What a waste….orang makin maju kita makin mundur…always engage on the reverse gear while trying to move forward. That's what these guys are. SAD LAA DEYYY…
Vehicles 15 years and older will have to be tested annually for roadworthiness: <– hooray, another reason to take leave from work…make rakyat more malas. and congrats to puspakom ppl.they got another source to make more undertable $$ .Good job.Well done BN ..Saya (N)Anti Rasuah …
Anyone can draft fairness policy to everybody please do so , dont just talk…… hundreds thousand people affected so is not easy to please everybody. If you think usa,china or singapore better migrate there. We sacrifice so many already. Never say thank you…..lantui
… still waiting for Proton worshipper to come in and say IT's OK, IT's Normal and "belilah barangan buatan Malaysia" …
stupid G….will not vote for BN again for my whole LIFE
Again G show their idiotic and stupid side again…….Fxxk all this crap off !!!!
tired of their attitude….1 Malaysia my ASS
increase Bumiputra entrepreneurship participation in the auto industry <– i thougt Najip mentioned something about Satu Malaysia thingy few months back. how come now still got this bumiputra thing exist?
" 1 Malaysia, menteri didahulukan, pocket diutamakan "
increase Bumiputra entrepreneurship participation in the auto industry <– ehh!! i thougt Najip mentioned something about Satu Malaysia thingy few months back. how come now still got this bumiputra thing exist?
" 1 Malaysia, menteri didahulukan, pocket diutamakan "
Seriously I do not understand. Whats up with most of you here want to drive imports? I just got back from my 6 days trip to Indonesia. They all drive imported cars like Vios, City, Jazz, Yaris etc… but look at their road… No lane, jammed like hell, police taking bribe in front of everyone. and the new Vios is everywhere because the taxis there are all Vios! Imported cars are soooo common there and driving one is no longer a luxurious for them.
Maybe driving a proton or perodua in Indonesia make them luxurious… Hmm, Good marketing for Proton! :P
That's what happen when we have "ignorant" people sitting at the helm of the country. They only thought of policies which will only benefit the High End class citizens. Little did they realize that majority Malaysians are from middle-income groups and poor-income group. The rich and famous, what? Perhaps less than 1% from the total population?
We are not asking for Lotus Exiga/Evora inspired technology to be installed in Proton Wajalution (althought that's a good idea), we are asking for a car price which suits the quality. Quality sucks, then why they should charge us with insane price?
It is typical in any forum or blog whenever people raise issues against Proton (out of good will), they would tell people go to hell, and get more money to buy better car. I just have to adhere the facts that they will always be a bunch of "blind-NAP-supporter". Bear in mind NAP was created out of the will to protect Proton (and Perodua). The government is there to protect the interest of the "rakyat". Certainly not on the selected few. The rule of capitalism (survival of the fittest) does not comply in Malaysia, the rule of Nepotism and Cronism suits the best!
RT said,
October 28, 2009 @ 4:10 pm
Mohd,
'I am working in a European company now…
productivity in europe high?… THAT IS A MYTH!…'
What country in Europe ?
When Malaysia is so productive and Europe so unproductive, why is there a high import tax on CBU cars from Europe ? Why is i.e. a VW Passat RM89850 in Germany and in Malaysia RM235.000 ?
http://www.auto-kral.de/lagerfahrzeuge_auto.php?c…
How the hell can they sell the Passat (which is only made in Germany, the Chinese Passat is the 'long wheelbase version') in Europe to that price, incuding 19%VAT ?
orido, this is because they do not national cars like we have proton/perodua. if malaysia don't have p1/p2, i think our taxi here will b using Camry/Accord. or probably using a Mers like Sg.
1 car hv so many parts….
most of the parts is locally made or proudly made in malaysia.
pls guess who will be the factory owner to manufacturer the "parts"?
If that car can sell or sell with even higher profit margin…
guess who will get the benefit from here?
the ans = the factory owner
Good luck to all malaysians…
Good news 4 PKR…
Euro 4M… dont mind paying for the fuel… if the prices for the cars are open and not suppressed to created a protected environment..
SYOH,
it is ok, it is normal, buy proton car… :)
Hi all,
Just another screwed Malaysian from East Malaysia. Our car policies here start to gradually change towards late 70s.. More in line with you guys in KL side as we call it. My parents are just government clerk and farmer, but we can afford buying A new Datsun and Mazda cars without long installments. 30 plus years on my salary may be double my parents combine .. however i surely cannot afford a Nissan or Toyota or Honda.. without being in significant debt for a decade. Wondering.. this must be the cost of joining Malaysia. By year 2020 I hope at least I can retire with a better car.. Sure do feel like we are going backward to Year 1010 instead of 2020.
NAP – New Agonizing Pain.
For those moron who think the slogan Satu Malaysia is heaven sent, BN is your private ATM card, Najis is Gold.. Well, come and get your REWARD!!!!!. Son Of A Whore!! Your world will end before 2012!!!
Satu lagi project barisan NOsional . Undi la ramai ramai BN, after vote u all will knoe what is call regret and stupid . PROTECT MELAYU ? Half of our the rakyat suffer, as most of the user are malay . So did they help ? 1 MALAYSIA ? RAKYAT diutamakan ? HAHAH, Think for yourself , if you all need a good life in future , forget about Barisan . Pull them down to let them know we are too suffer under their control .
It is not wrong for protect buatan malaysia , but did those company appreciate it ? Proton , perodua and the spare part company fully sucking our money , low end product selling high end price .If govement want the people support , please do somethings right , and not everyday give the stupid kroni kroni money .
I think we Malysian worry too much.
I expect that for those wiith rare and cars with no new parts, there will always be import exception . The only problem is that it would not be available at our backyard workshop.
I foresee the steps to abolish import of used parts is to ensure there are
1. no potong cars.
2 prevent dumping of old cars in the country.
3 limit car theft syndicate that hid behind second parts.
4. promote refurbish and re-works business (remember my comment about the wire gearbox)
5. reduce number of old and unmaintained cars
6. promote aftermarket and part manufacturing in the country.
7. limit unsafe vehicle modification by ahbengs using used engines and parts that was not even checked or overhauled.
8. promote pople to buy new local cars.
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Are you sure those VVIP BN Datuk & Datin allow every Tom & Dick to drive continental & Japanese car just like their son & daughter???? Their bloody high class living will be under treat. So, to hell with in this NAP (New AutoMATI Policy) and just stick this NAP up our collection Rakyat a%#es!!!!!
NAP.
-A new strategic partnership between Proton and an established manufacturer will be established.
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Just watched the news and P1 with Nadzmi was having a press conference
and from his statement P1 already knew the news and claim Msian market
of 400K a year is too small for P1 and they plan to venture overseas.
This kinda arrogance show that P1 not sincere to form a partnership.
this is fucking bullshit. We need a revolution. Stop proton and their evil dominance. Power to the Rakyat!!!!!
Import of used parts to stop in June 2011 (what???)
This policy is to help the 'midnight sparepart supplier' and car security industry. More car theft to supply spareparts, more people will install all sorts of security systems. Police, you guys have more work…..!!
Vehicles 15 years and older will have to be tested annually for roadworthiness; provisions to be made for vintage cars.
Can my 1st generation Proton Saga qualify for vintage car? I'm sure the G have lots of soft spot for this make.
First education going backward…now automotive protection from P1 & P2. No matter how you cook it bull shit is still bull shit…
delayed again. i think when 2015 comes they will delay again.
these cronies really sucking the life out of the rakyat. suckers.
as for the parts thingy, i think they better clear things up cause i am not liking what i see.
RT,
If you went to JPJ there is a rule which give people to change or modify their engine within 25% of the original capacity.
Besides that, they have safety guide line for those people which like to modify their cars. So for those ah beng, some might be legal & illegal. Dont asume that their cars are bling bling more than u, all are illegal ah bengs..
Third is the root cause of all this, why people want to transplant a better engine?!? Ask urself, most high performance engine is from Japan. Importing to us is very expensive thanks to AP.
Besides that, Afta have given us the opportunity of doing business with the Japs, which in turn they can buy 'Scrap' from them! Read all those second hand performance parts are 'Scrap'! But still technology wise is better than any local cars…
If without these second hand parts & engine, do you think our local racing team will excel? Where those rally parts, drag racing, track cars part came from? You tot all of them so rich purchase from Japan new?!? This will eventually cut short in another income which is racing industri, as a lot of newbies will have limited budjet.
Yes it is good to get rid of those old potong cars. But remember, what is all these root cause? We dont have high performance & better vehicle and new part is expensive that drive the second hand shop to open more.. Until now the only car which is fast for local P1 is Satri Gti, which i still saw a lot of them mod for GSR turbo… Which only Proton now want to develop a turbo engine..
Just think about it, where u can get a turbo engine, electronic control air-con in Malaysian made cars until now. While those Mitsubishi half-cut during 90's have all these technology?
hehehe… teruskan komplen… rakyat malaysia = kereta nak tiptop, cc besar ,kualiti hebat tapi harga mesti ciput, nak minya murah.. tax rendah, nak prasarana dan service bagus… kui kui kui… la ni padan muka… aku sokong sangatlah… kalo kerajaan paksa orang pakai proton lagi aku suka… hahahaha…. tu la yg ada sekarang tak nak bersyukur… sekarang sapa yg padan muka?
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kebanyakan orang miskin yang pakai proton tu, orang apa? tau la kan?
bagus, terus buat kereta bodoh tu la, bagus, juara kampung kan?
boleh pi F1, boleh pi Angkasa, pandai la kan?
nasib baik negara ni kaya, kalau tak, hampa sekarang macam orang nepal & orang bangla jadi pak cleaner jer.
tak pa, terus patriotik tu, bina jambatan yang runtuh dalam 3 minggu. bina stadium yang runtuh tu, dalam name bumiputera, bumiputera yang betul tu, pakai BMW,merc,ferrari. bumiputera yang bodo tu, pakai proton jer la.
tak pa. bagus, good job. malaysia boleh~~!!
korang proton engineer yang pandai tu, lain kali boleh la, pi kerja kat thailand kan??
tapi jgn kurang ajar la kat siam, you tau orang siam tu kejam kan??
sekurang kurang nya, bila proton bankrap, boleh kerja kat siam, ok jua.
malaysia semua ada, otak tak da.
malaysia semua bagus, kerajaan tak bagus.
I have been pondering if I should take up the naturalisation process whereby I could give up my Malaysian citizenship in exchange for a full UK citizenship, which I have been putting it off for many years. The way I look at it, Malaysia is a great country- climate, resources, people, you catch the drift.
But politics-wise, we suck big time. I supposed with alleged murderers running the show, corruption and stupid ideas are just part and parcel of the political landscape.
I am a car lover. I saved many years before I could finally upgrade from my humble Proton Iswara A/B to (etc etc) and finally to the Toyota Camry 2.4G. The Camry costed RM170k but it was a far safer and reliable car compared to my humble Iswara.
When I first got posted to UK, I was kinda surprise that with just my initial starting salary of GBP60k pa income (as compared to my last drawn salary of RM180k pa), I could easily afford an M3 here. And I slowly build up my collection to include the Cooper S, Captiva AWD and LS460L. The prices are downright cheap if compared to what Malaysians pay back home.
In UK. there have local car manufacturers too- but the difference is that the govt let the market forces decide on their sustainability. If they can make it, they can go ahead. If they can't make it, they can go ahead with their Plan Bs. Lotus went to us Malaysians, Rover went to the Chinese and Mini went to the Germans; and all went on to grow from strength to strength. And because there's no protectionist policies here, the rakyat here can afford to indulge in our fave cars.
If what the Policy comes true, then the Malaysian govt is just doing what the Chinese did decades ago, with the closed economy policy. We could have learnt from others' mistakes; but instead, we are keen to repeat others' mistakes so as to just benefit just a few key persons in the country.
What kind of arses do the govt take Malaysians for?
Paul, it's best that you get rid of your ancient Beemers before the parts run dry and the prices dip rock bottom. With the Policy, please just buy a Proton and put on a brave smile.
Cheers,
Malaysian @ UK PR
proton tu, bangga apa?
designer tu, bukan orang asing?
tengok waja baru tu, modified orang tempatan, macam sial.
Tu apa Handling, mampui la, bayak Lotus tune punya, apa bangga sangat?
quality tu la, buatan tempatan, quality bagus ker?
KAT USA, NISSAN FAIRLADY = USD 30000= RM100,000 (baru, bukan recond)
woi bod0h, kereta tu mmg murah, guna pastu buang la, tak kan macam you punya kawan, honda Vtec bodoh tu pakai 20 tahun ker? sebab tak mampu tukar!!
kereta= guna buang.
japan= 5 tahun buang
singapore = 5 tahun buang
malaysia= tunggu japan&singapore buang, pastu mintak AP import ke malaysia, Pastu, NAZA untung puluh ribu dari AP, bumiputera sejati, jual pisang goreng kat tepi jalan, tu la .
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IDOITS BN~~!!!
WAIT FOR THE NEXT ELECTION THEY WILL SEE~~!!!
HAM KA LING… MA HAI~~
am i saying rigth in canto?? :)
does they really taking care the malay like the low income group like us?????
dont u think tat tat is nonsense????
wat kind of thinking do they have???
do they think tat many thing we cannot get new parts??
do they think or not proton spare parts avaiblity??
i have order a proton gen 2 parts for almost a year and they tell me tat no stock by the proton malaysia parts warehouse.
wat a shame to be made in malaysia.
our country is not tat advance as other so this new laws wont work and we will see wat will happen.
i think tis will be the good show and i think tis will make our country more problem.
For less than 70k, we don't have much choice to purchase. With that price, what about safety? Still have to drive Ah Beng cars
Force me to buy kancil..and now the VIVA~ pack all my family in a small car..
really scare when accident happen..
u can see the satin can while kancil involve in accident!!!!
apasal? orang bumi tak boleh buat kereta untuk TOyota? tak boleh kerja kat Honda buat kereta honda? malu?
mau jadi boss, buat kereta sendiri yang buruk tu, Proton ker?
malu ker kerja kat mercedes? honda? toyota? peugeot?
i rasa malu kerja kat proton
F++U++C++K the GOVERNMENT!!!
REALLY WANNA FXXK IT KUAT KUAT…
Littlefire said,
October 28, 2009 @ 9:31 pm
RT,
If you went to JPJ there is a rule which give people to change or modify their engine within 25% of the original capacity.
Besides that, they have safety guide line for those people which like to modify their cars. So for those ah beng, some might be legal & illegal. Dont asume that their cars are bling bling more than u, all are illegal ah bengs..
Third is the root cause of all this, why people want to transplant a better engine?!? Ask urself, most high performance engine is from Japan. Importing to us is very expensive thanks to AP.
Besides that, Afta have given us the opportunity of doing business with the Japs, which in turn they can buy ‘Scrap’ from them! Read all those second hand performance parts are ‘Scrap’! But still technology wise is better than any local cars…
If without these second hand parts & engine, do you think our local racing team will excel? Where those rally parts, drag racing, track cars part came from? You tot all of them so rich purchase from Japan new?!? This will eventually cut short in another income which is racing industri, as a lot of newbies will have limited budjet.
Yes it is good to get rid of those old potong cars. But remember, what is all these root cause? We dont have high performance & better vehicle and new part is expensive that drive the second hand shop to open more.. Until now the only car which is fast for local P1 is Satri Gti, which i still saw a lot of them mod for GSR turbo… Which only Proton now want to develop a turbo engine..
Just think about it, where u can get a turbo engine, electronic control air-con in Malaysian made cars until now. While those Mitsubishi half-cut during 90’s have all these technology?
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Not many Malaysians can afford those high performance cars that cost a bomb, hence they can only go for halfcut engines, upgrading their cars exterior/interior/performance and so on..
This situation will not exist if the cars are not taxed so much, and people can choose what ride they would like to have, but we do not have a choice..
Foreign firms can apply for manufacturing licenses to hold 100% shares in firms to produce vehicles with engine capacity of larger than 1,800cc and costing more than RM150,000. This will open up the upper end of the market while keeping the lower end where Proton and Perodua are protected.
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rich can enjoy cheaper car
poor can go fuuck themselves and die. Die driving a local design car.
i've decided to be rich, how bout you??
car price lower 10% (to minimize our burden)
… fuel increase 10% (to curb usage)
seriously need to upgrade our public transport lor….
90% of malaysians drive / motorbike (working adults)
reported by paper earlier this month…
or just look around the office… how many of your colleagues take public transport ?
Nemo the Fish said,
October 28, 2009 @ 1:07 pm
I buy Proton, buy my own house… every weekend bring family to jalan2… happy life..
no need to bash gov like Donkey…
You dont like malaysian. go to America lor.. or singapore..
if u have BMW or Merc so what? happy life? can show-off everywhere??
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Nemo bod0h, they enjoy BMW and merc.
do you have enough education fund for you kids? when they grow up they go sell pisang goreng like you??
do you have enough retirement fund?
you now enjoy your proton. 20 years later you'll still driving the same proton. and you can still enjoy. and continue pay toll, pay astro ( if you can afford) pay expensive petrol( even tho we export oil) pay expensive streamyx ( local company also) pay expensive petronas Engine oil (Shell is cheaper, of cos shell is better la, shell ma )
and you no money to pay for your kids university, tak pa, mintak UITM, pastu tak da kerja, then you ask him sell pisang goreng with you.
You now enjoy happy life.
katak bawah tempurung! ( sorry katak, i hina kan you dalam peribahasa ini)
Pencapaian di utamakan,
Rakyat di dahulukan.
yg betul rasanya mcm ni kot…
Keuntungan di utamakan,
Kroni di dahulukan.
hey, our government spent RM40000 on a laptop.
viva only RM40000,
hey malaysian~!!!! Your car only same price as laptop, not cheap enough??
what do you expect? shameless piece of sh1t!!!!
you wan RM30000 fairlady is it? Freaking shameless arse.
This situation will not exist if the cars are not taxed so much, and people can choose what ride they would like to have, but we do not have a choice..
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dont have to choose.
according to a poll and questionaire, the best car has been decided and manufactured under instruction of government.
the best value for money, and best safety car, is decided to price under one good category.
any car below RM70000 are the best-safety ,value-for-money car from our government. Choose accordingly.
This Forum like attacked by earth quake la..heheh…
"This will open up the upper end of the market while keeping the lower end where Proton and Perodua are protected".I like this statement…..very transparent…Good Job..G….truly transparent….hahah
Next Year Proposals
1) Petrol price follows the open market
2)Register new car not only at RTD but must submiting documentation at LHDN.(Car price more than 150k pay tax first.(tax invader!!!)
3).Interest on national cars loan got relief on personal maximum RM4000
4)Must open tax file when new subsidy scheme implemented for petrol or goods.(income measurement method)
Solutions to Mlaysian .
1.Need a cheapestcar?go to Langkawi or burn ur MyKad or passport and apply Botswana citizenship hahah…there the car price very2 cheap…hahah.
2.BMW Lauching the new car today…but buy later at least 10 more years hahah…cheap..cheap
3.Just keep quiet…
PKR-replacement BN-No la PKR acronym like :'Pstikan Kenakan Rakyat'..
BN-Bergembiralah Najib…oiiii….
=Hadi 1 vs Nik aziz 1=HIN1
DAP=Dapat Ang Pau…
PAS=Pasti Akan Susah
PR=Pasti Runtuh
very smart this government, take all our money from us….and go make 1Malaysia f1 team and sent some fag to space
LittleFire,
for your comments:
on JPJ. you can change, but yu still have to register. how many register?.
on rules on modifications. how many follow?. out of hand right. you might reply me about enforcement. my answer is manpower?
on imports on performance car. a lot of other countries does that.
even if there is no tax, will those kancil turbos owner can buy one?.
it would only benefit the super rich..
AFTA does not meant for the Japs. it is for the ASEAN countries
Motorsport spare parts are exempted from tax. don't you know?.
you can even import any car to use for race and it is tax free..
But you will not be able to register them to use on the road.
only now proton have the capabilities. don't you rememver the Proton-Mitsu technology transfer issue?. The agreement make it difficult for Proton to develop any new technology then.
on you last paragraph, that mods are unnecessary for most normal users like me..
THIS IS WAT THEY SAY "RAKYET DI DAHULUKAN??"???????
PROTON TO DAHULUKAN ???????????????????????????????????
PROTON bn PROTON bn PROTON bn PROTON bn PROTON bn PROTON PROTON bn PROTON bn PROTON bn
proton should come up with batter car. the issue is mainly when people are used to drive toyota or honda or nissan the moment they put their foot on the accelerator the car feel ease and crisp on the response and the car is fast. of course its fast ,when you are merely 3000 its already 120.
this is not to be translated into technical word but all they know is the word SEDAP, and proton tak sedap, lembap.
i think proton now trying to be one up now. the campro vvt turbo,
if compare with 1.5 or 1.6vvt japs or korean now proton is 1.6vvt+turbo. its batter interm of bucks per power response and economy presumebly.
so that time proton can enter the competition, the perception of SEDAP will change hand to proton. and proton can still sell cheaper with its cost cutting strategy by not sacrificing on the quality and very particular on component reliability,,
15 yrs become a vintage car..ha..ha..ha,someone said that should know what meaning of vintage cars.puspakom(goverment+insurance) totally got huge amount of money from annually inspection our old cars.
Okay, if i got it rite, we going to have very expensive petrol/diesel come 2010, which is only 2 months away. And we going to have the same or more expensive non-national cars by next year. And we going to replaced our cars every 15 years. Die lah average malaysians, petty those 80% average income malaysians. And if i got it rite on recent budget, our current government is going for burnout budget, macam they oledi know got handover to next G in 2012. So the next G going to be in deep debts, so those Bee End can say, aiyah this new G lousy, just like US situation. If you think naive that 'Rakyat Didahulukan' then u better think again. Pretty much deception game oledi going expired. Okay, general life is about deception game if you dont notice by now then sorry, you are very innocent and naive about life.
15 years vintage car, next year the first proton saga become vintage car?
satu lagi projek Barisan Najis… tu lah dulu2 support sangat mamaktahik tu.. last2 sampai tua nak mampus masih lagi mamaktahik tu buat taik…ceh, bilalah rakyat didahulukan, pencapaian diutamakan dlm hal ni wahai DS Najis…
Daihatsu,
(imagine I am smiling when reading this)
get half cut engines and race on our streets. endanger other people.
probably when our love ones are hit by these racers, then you would want to ban them. Some of the car body shell cannot even tahan the mod engine.
Noise somemore. berlagak some more.
They should get a proper car la.. and race on the race course. every month got race what….
get MAM to help you to get tax exemption to buy used performance car.
You go 300km/h pun I dun care. In fact, Good for you. I will be ahppy to become your racing fan.
those mod cars should not be on our road.
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Ignore RT lar,
What is a normal driver doing in this discussion, he should be continue driving Proton.
Like what he said, it will not affect normal driver, since he is happy with national car and do not have to urge to upgrade and see pointless driving import marque. Of cause it does not affect him.
To him, car is a thing with 4 wheels. Waste our time explaining the situation.
please..
i really do not appreciate name calling…
no matter how bad you thing the person are…
.
with more people like RT, we are becoming more and more a country like North Korea
Jangan beli kerete potong….
boikot potong…… boikot….
haprak jingga….. punye kete Malaysia…
I hate Malaysian made car……
I love Japs and Europe….
I want to migrate to Japan…
No wonder the KLSE drop so bad…
things are expected to get worse…
bye-bye Malaysia… I'm flying abroad…
RT said,
October 28, 2009 @ 10:21 pm
Daihatsu,
(imagine I am smiling when reading this)
get half cut engines and race on our streets. endanger other people.
probably when our love ones are hit by these racers, then you would want to ban them. Some of the car body shell cannot even tahan the mod engine.
Noise somemore. berlagak some more.
They should get a proper car la.. and race on the race course. every month got race what….
get MAM to help you to get tax exemption to buy used performance car.
You go 300km/h pun I dun care. In fact, Good for you. I will be ahppy to become your racing fan.
those mod cars should not be on our road.
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So your point is, change halfcut engine is for racing on the road?
5 years ago my old faithful engine died, the cost to rebuild is about 3K, after thinking for quite some time I decided to change to 4AGE blacktop as its newer engine and quite powerful..
Those rotary engines cost a bomb to rebuilt, in the range of 20-30K, some would rather get the halfcuts and overhaul them..
Bumpers/fenders/dashboards are salvaged from halfcut also..
And not to mention economic wise, in some cases changing the same engine from halfcut is cheaper than getting it rebuilt..
I would not want to comment on the last part as per getting a proper race car..
I have this feeling car thief cases will rise because used parts are harder to find now. They will steal and chop the car for parts. Seriously, what is the government thinking?
And the 15 years check up thing, it is to force us into another 'chain' debt, it just never ends. They have to milk all of us dry regardless of race and religion so that they can drive BMW or Merc and send their kids of England for edu.
stupid policy. all just to protect proton.
i beg all malaysian to stop buying proton. let it bankrup.
by then we can have cheap good quality import car.
who want the expensive, outdated technology and bad quality proton car!?
with or withour proton, tax will be on our car because this is malaysia income. so let's "hope" malaysia manage to have other source of income then only there is a hope.
If proton success in other country and can make money for our country, then we might have the chance.
Let's face the real problem, who create this type of policies?
why after so many years, proton only have minor improvement?
As the rakyat what can we do to change this? Don blame, you have rights!
Untouchable said,
October 28, 2009 @ 10:30 pm
I hate Malaysian made car……
I love Japs and Europe….
I want to migrate to Japan…
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YES ULL END UP LIKE THE BOC PEOPLE IN UK.
I HOPE U WILL BE SWAALOWED BY EARTHQUAKE IN JAPAN OR END UP LIKE THE BOC PEOPLE. jILAT BATANG HISHAMUDIN PUN TAK DAPAT BALIK KERAKYATAN, HAHAHA VERY DUMB CHINESE
torque said,
October 28, 2009 @ 1:51 pm
bongok said,
October 28, 2009 @ 1:37 pm
hahaha… padan muka hangpa semua… kah ka kah.. pakat guna proton kebanggaan nagaraa la lepas nih… hahaha… tu la sapa suruh komplen sangat sebelum nih,,, skrg sapa yg kena? ko dan mak bapak korang jugak yg kena… hahahaha… komplen lagi komplen lagi… padan mukaaa…. gedik sangat nak pakai keter import… hahahaha
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Baik register nama tu BANGANG terus…dah!!! Pi pegi tuisyen…jgn nak campur urusan org2 dewasa!!!
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pedulikan org bongok cm die nih.. nih x yh suruh die pegi tuisyen..sekolah pun x pegi nih..nk tuisyen wat per…. biarla die..
Daihatsu,
the topic of my reply to you are based on your note on car racing.
nothing to do with your faithful engine..
you could still rebuild the engine I see, but choose to get more powerful engine?..
I thought you are conservationist..
Rebuilt is always better than taking half cuts. You never know what you get with halfcuts. remember my story about Wira Auto Gearbox?. or my friend blew his Evo engine after 6 months.
With rebuild, you always know what are the end results.
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Headache,
no problemo. just putting my thought!..
no offence.
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Mazda 3 MPS.
how so?. north korea?.
can I be south korea?.
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think with open minds. not emotion.
no name calling please…
argue with me with facts, not assumptions.
If you give me good points, I might rethink my stand.
.
huat,
perodua is a cheap good quality import car :)
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huat said,
October 28, 2009 @ 10:52 pm
stupid policy. all just to protect proton.
i beg all malaysian to stop buying proton. let it bankrup.
by then we can have cheap good quality import car.
who want the expensive, outdated technology and bad quality proton car!?
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good suggetion, but it will not happen because p1 and p2 is only the most affordable to the mass public.
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but u might consider pulling up all ur resources and make a campaign to stop buying p1 and p2
yeah..not 1 m'sia but only 1 crony of m'sia..the motto "rakyat dihulukan..pencapaian poket kroni diutamakan"..this is the correct one..
wakakaka.. org tamak selalu rugi.. tak pernah bersyukur… moga gomen paksa hangpa semua pakai proton je… wakakakaka… padan lloee… dasar tamak tak pernah bersyukur.
What I think abt our G is they are very short-sighted.
If they want us to abandon our old cars, then they should help us raise our income 1st so we can buy a new one.
If they want us to buy national cars, why don’t they make quality national cars? Even our Sabah Chief Minister Mr. M also use Volvo… why? because even our own G also have no faith on national cars, that’s why. At least make some FR cars for us… xD
They always tackle problem with short-term solutions.
But make sure their pocket is permanently full
Sabah Chief Minister Mr. M also use Volvo????????????
What a shame ,Our Sarawak Chief Minister Mr T,even have a fleet of Rolls Royce.Why? Because sarawak have the most idiot from rumah panjang still voting for BN, Sabah should be having 2nd most idiot.1 malaysia,you think malaysia still got so much idiot fo fool with?Go to hell Bapa C4.what the Mother FxxKer idiot idea,
When we will march to Putrajaya to protest this favoritism policies ?
Untouchable,
I saw your comment, and search for KLSE Composite Index chart.
I saw drop in January to April 2009, but afterwards, it went upwards except for sharp drop in Sep22. ( http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EKLSE&t=3m&… )
I would say it is the Pak Lah factor.
Probably it does "drop so bad", but it is picking up now..
todays trading takes a little but dip. probably initial reaction to the NAP announcement. hopefully we got more information on the NAP in few days and the market will show the inverstor reactions.
thanks for the info…
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i will join you. i wish we had a leader like hitler. he made good cars like Porsche. while our stupid facist leader mahathir can only make shit like proton , then whine and moan that the industry is unfair when China and India make cheaper and far superior cars
SY0H said,
October 28, 2009 @ 7:43 pm
… still waiting for Proton worshipper to come in and say IT’s OK, IT’s Normal and “belilah barangan buatan Malaysia” …
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Ya … padan muka loe… belilah barangan buatan malaysia.. kalo tak suka.. pi la pindah ke mana2 hang suka . poodahh. semua nak free dan best.. tapi nak bantu ekonomi negara jangan harap… pii raaa
Pakistan,tumenistan,kazashtan is poor country. if BN continue like this, better change malaysia tooooo COTSTAN (reverse gear). so ppl ask you where u from. just mention you are CONSTANESE ^^
1 [crony] malaysia
1 [money] malaysia
work like a lembu to get expensive car and petrol,
CB G
We need to demonstrate our view. We should stop buying Proton now. This is to show our power. I wont change my car, or I will buy second hand car, but I will not buy any new Proton. Since it is bad time, stop spending in car anymore. Only with this, our next gen can escape from this shit policies.
This policy is forcing us to buy only proton:
1) NO EFFECTIVE PUBLIC TRANSPORT so everyone needs a car.
2) so MANY TOLs
3) 15 years to change car? Its Crazy! thats forcing people to change car! and the cheapest is Proton.
STOP BUYING PROTON NOW!!!
increase Bumiputra entrepreneurship participation in the auto industry…..
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WTF….. given whole bunch of AP to same few people and make them
instant billionaire is called protect the bumi….while others bumi suffer like
hell !!!!!!!!
1 Malaysia right….How about other races, it should be increase all malaysian participation
off topic:Paul,the new naza picanto launched today i think.true?
Micheal said,
October 28, 2009 @ 2:15 pm
ok… you know what? the chop shops can still bring in used cars.. and tear it down…
if u still cant agree…
lets do a petition…
lead by Paul…
can ar?
local used spare parts still here meh…
just for those who bought Mark X… and… Hummer, Chrysler…
the will have a mass problem with cash…
maybe this is an initiative.. Gov do to help Tan Chong, UMW, NazaKia, Auto Bavaria and so on to live…
So we dont just bought cars from them but service, maintains our cars with them.
btw, aint policies shud be agreed by the ahli dewan parlimen?
if its do… no wrong for BN, cuz Parlimen members aint all BN…
rite?
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of coz..the parlimen is not full of bn..some are from pr..
but..if u learn history at skool..if the bn dun have 2/3 from the seat..they ccannot be the G..so..in other word..their people is more then pr.. and the bn's usually cannot disagree..because..they will be suspended on kene tindakan tata tertib..da pnh terjadi..so..mcm mane pon..mng kt BN jgkla untuk ape2 isu pon..
Micheal said,
October 28, 2009 @ 2:15 pm
ok… you know what? the chop shops can still bring in used cars.. and tear it down…
if u still cant agree…
lets do a petition…
lead by Paul…
can ar?
local used spare parts still here meh…
just for those who bought Mark X… and… Hummer, Chrysler…
the will have a mass problem with cash…
maybe this is an initiative.. Gov do to help Tan Chong, UMW, NazaKia, Auto Bavaria and so on to live…
So we dont just bought cars from them but service, maintains our cars with them.
btw, aint policies shud be agreed by the ahli dewan parlimen?
if its do… no wrong for BN, cuz Parlimen members aint all BN…
rite?
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of coz..the parlimen is not full of bn..some are from pr..
but..if u learn history at skool..if the bn dun have 2/3 from the seat..they ccannot be the G..so..in other word..their people is more then pr.. and the bn's usually cannot disagree..because..they will be suspended or kene tindakan tata tertib..da pnh terjadi..so..mcm mane pon..menang kt BN jgkla untuk ape2 isu pon..
Mazda 3 MPS,
you said "China and India make cheaper and far superior cars"
Hmm… TATA does produce good cars..
and so does the China auto companies with weird names…
they will come in droves..
but the industry is unfair.
1. Japs car makers got maximum USD14k of subsidy per car exported.
2. America gives $81 billion dollars to their car makers.
life is never fair..
.
anyway,
I do not agree on mandatory yearly inspection for cars 15 year old.
probably we inspect it as it reaches 15 years old, and then every 5 years would suffice.
BUT..
some of the great country USA's states requires cars to be inspected every year.
I have not heard any issues from the americans… do you?.
..
I REALLY hope those G and CRAP BN people will come to read all this
comments posted and realize how STUPID they are……….
The NAJIS leadership is as CRAP as the previous……no change at all from the
past…..All they know is suck money from RAKYAT while they live luxurious
life….NO HOPE for Malaysian
REALLY want to kick all this USELESS, IDIOT, AWFUL, UGLY Crap out of putrajaya!!!
technik,
you exagerate stuffs to prove your point hah… :)
40% where got?..
AFAIK it only 5 to 30 percent….
the cost for frequently stolen cars will not skyrocket, since there are usually new cars. and the price should will not exceed the price for NEW and ORIGINAL parts
Hence there will be more demand for NEW and ORIGINAL parts, brining the price down, and eventually reduces demand for second hand parts, and reduced theft..
road tax for W124k = RM2000 am I not right?.. how much the insurance cost?. my rusa road tax less than RM150.
I don’t need their cherished BMW if I got 10 year old BMW for 5k…. and will as-you-say it run it into the ground.
They might also want to change..or wait until it is 25 years old, and claimed it as classics.
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Aiyo RT, accusing others when it's you who don't know the facts…import duty is not the only tax assessed on car part imports, there is also 10% sales tax, 30%+10%=40% omg there got.
So you see, new import part prices will remain high because it's tax and transport that makes them expensive here. So your imaginary scenario of cheap new parts is ridiculous and will never happen. And theft WILL increase because greatest demand here is always for the CHEAPEST part, NOT new and original. If you increase the cost of parts by banning used imports, then you make theft more profitable, and theft increases. Simple.
You obviously don't have any idea how road tax and insurance work, so why keep talking about them? You just make yourself look silly.
And dream on if you think you'll be able to buy someone's BMW for 5k even with this legislation. That's like what 5% of current market value? But it says a lot about you that you're so eager to rip people off like that. looks like your real reason for supporting this move is simple jealousy lol
Untouchable said,
October 28, 2009 @ 10:32 pm
No wonder the KLSE drop so bad…
things are expected to get worse…
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Ingress & EPMB (both oem parts manufacturer) shot up 33%
cos they'll be smiling come 2011 when there is no more kereta potong!!!!
the G is not stupid, most probably they are laughing at us idiots citizens who dare not do anything about their ridiculous policies and rules. damn tired see these BNs running the shows…
Doesn't surprise me .This is what you got when you put Mat Jenin in charge and in power. Malaysia is certainly moving backwards in automotive market.
Idiots keep coming up with all these policies only to change them 2-3 years later when they find out their policies don't work and they will never got it.
They still don't realise that in free market economy,private sector will do a better job than government. It should be left alone for it to flourish with little intervention.
stop-buy-proton-now said,
October 28, 2009 @ 11:52 pm
We need to demonstrate our view. We should stop buying Proton now. This is to show our power. I wont change my car, or I will buy second hand car, but I will not buy any new Proton. Since it is bad time, stop spending in car anymore. Only with this, our next gen can escape from this shit policies.
This policy is forcing us to buy only proton:
1) NO EFFECTIVE PUBLIC TRANSPORT so everyone needs a car.
2) so MANY TOLs
3) 15 years to change car? Its Crazy! thats forcing people to change car! and the cheapest is Proton.
STOP BUYING PROTON NOW!!!
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agree with the 1st point..
i really hate when some people that say..oh..if cannot afford car..go take public transport la..but i want to..where the part in our beloved Malaysia..have the most public transport system????? only in KL la..
how about another places?? such as Kuantan..if u r from Gambang to Kuantan(distance=37km)..taxi fare is rm36 per car..so..go n back rm72..bus?? u have to wait for hours..and the bus are sucks!!!!! if u r using car..rm10 can go and back..maybe for some car..it is far less..so..what will people choose?? i think another places also like this..how about in kampung?? or small town?? bycycle?? if the work places is 50km from the house???
so..my point is..we are not japan..their public trannsport is not only good..but excellent..even if u are living far away..they have fast train that are very safe n efficient..so..u can get to workplace in no time.. Malaysian will always depends on car..the G should think abaout that..they should think a policies that will help people..not just making money for their own.. and like other malaysian..we just want a car that affordable, safe and comfort.. if they want to protect proton..hence, they should urge proton to make good car.. many people will buy proton..just yesterday..i've seen how bad abs on proton waja..the abs are absolutely fail..luckily the driver is quit good so it does not crash into a toyota ipsum butt..see..toyota ipsum(not a very new model..maybe same aged with the waja) can brake much better than the waja..so..hows that?? do malaysian will buy such cars?? some of the waja usually upgrade their brakes by using the old mitsubishi models..why?? because the technolgy is much better although it is quite old.. so..i think G cannot stop importing the used spareparts..many of people still have to used it..if u find carefully..u can find a very good spare parts at the kedai potong..with it..we can save a few bucks..
just my own opinion..tq..
ignas said,
the G is not stupid, most probably they are laughing at us idiots citizens who dare not do anything about their ridiculous policies and rules. damn tired see these BNs running the shows…
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AGREE…they are SMART at only sucking all the money of of the citizens BUT
all those CRAP G people LOOKS STUPID and UGLY…..
Kita semua HON satu mintues this friday! pukul 1pm , whole malaysai to protest the sohainess JOM!
Do you think Malaysian companies will design and build their own hybrids and EVs soon? Will it be on par or better than Japanese made hybrids and EVs? I am not talking about Proton which is dragging it's feet when it comes to hybrid technologies, so I don't see them making hybrids or EVs.
what hybrids? those hybrids are from mitsubishi
as expected. inspection of cars abv 15 yrs is purely $ making. these cars wl be hard hit in value. scrapping of imported parts a real nonsense. protecting proton is fine but not overly protective in the form of favouritism. its killing the industry. when v say cheaper cars, doesnt mean real cheap but at least 25 – 30% lower than existing price. its abt quality products n choices. nothing personal against proton. sensibility prevails regardless of how cheap when buying if its priced cheaper. that doesnt mean evey1 wl buy luxury cars. i.ve been driving 2nd hand cars for so long n my current ride is 13 yrs old. altho old, i enjoy it more than my previous nationals. how to upgrade? v want choices, not forced purchase. i've pre-owned 5 protons. enough. believe me, here they wl get more pricier later on.
Hey Paul,
Maybe its good advice that you ditch your
BMW refurbishment plans cos after all the time,effort,blood,sweat and tears at the end of the day you're left with a junk with no spare parts.
And every year enrich Puspakom with the inspection fees.
I'm also surprised by the positive response by our MAA president
Datuk Aishah who was so gung ho when asked about her comments abt
the NAP which was announced. Come-on Datuk as a President of MAA
you should have at least spoken on behalf of the motorist in general.
We don't need anymore "yes-man/woman" !!! :(
NAP… ripoff from rakyat and pocketfull for government and its cronies…
No offense to anybody lah.. but I can feel some of the issues stated have the Bumiputera's interests spelled out clearly… 1Malaysia eh?… just my 2cents.again no offense to anybody.
technik… LOL..
you still awake hah..
I am going to sleep already..
tomorrow fresh new day….
probably my last post for today.
OK..
I checked, you are right…
that 40% applies to all parts used or original.
does potong cars imported also subjected to that 40%?
would you buy cheapest part if you suspect that it is "hot"
anyway, enforcement would be easier since there would be less kedai potong.
since the kedai potong could still import the cars under AP and scrap the, you could get your W124 parts anyway. but at higher price. 10k per AP plus the taxes…
on the theft issue. let meet again in a year, and see whose "forecast" would be correct…. I bet a dime…. :)
Proton and Perodua also got stolen.. no imports unless you want Daihatsu badge on your MyVi. or the Wajalutions
road tax and insurance. I dunno.. I am not insurance guy.. enlighten me…
my rusa got 150 road tax and 600+ insurance. (1st party)
my old 1982 landrover 109 got RM750 road tax and RM 200 insurance (third party la)
sold off already…
how much is for your Merc or BMW?
On the NAP I just trying to make sense of it. I might or might not support it.
I seek any good points. found none..
Anyway 1998 318i is now around 40k. I googled current UK price at 1500 pounds.
with expensive spare parts, I would see it would go down to maximum 15k in 2 years.
Nope I am no German fan… I was told that even BMW parts and cars here are acquired from car auction in Japan. I cannot confirm…
Bursa,
She is the President of MAA and MAA is the association of car manufacturers.
for us we got AAM…
you probably got mixed up there..
.
there goes the neighborhood in 2012, just like the movie…
Didn't u guys listen to the then DPM (now PM) advice many moons back
when petrol price was raised to $2.70 ? —-"Change Your Lifestyle !!!"
15 yr old cars for inspection – problem is the quality of inspection n the agenda is to make us change cars. developed countries ppl can change bcos their income lvl is fr 3 – 8 mths away from a new car. here its at least 15 mths. so why all these nonsense. i'm ok for inspection if its done professionally but i suspect its a means to degrade n devalue oldies for national newies.
Toyo,
you are right…
but if 80 percent of rich dudes are of only one race, where got 1malaysia?..
cut some slack…
they mentioned that "the idea is the get a balanced society. balanced wealth distribution." that whay Mahathir give AP to Bumis. to torpedo Bumi wealth in record times. He succeeded, but not quite enough I presume…
I was mentioning the idea. I might or might not agree with it.. spare me a bash will ya… :)
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Bursa… ha ha ha…
change your lifestyle indeed….
LOL….
RT said,
October 29, 2009 @ 1:16 am
Bursa,
She is the President of MAA and MAA is the association of car manufacturers.
for us we got AAM…
you probably got mixed up there
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Wat r u trying to say? Mixed up? i mentioned MAA and not AAM.
Don't try correcting everyone , r u the moderator here?
RT, I not AGREE with you….
You said have a balanced society…WTH
Today, many non-bumis work hard without getting G help to get rich…only the
strong will survive……… and not only for them behave like beggar to get
money and depend on G to give a living without work….
They should have atleast reduce the tax of import cars in malaysia. Slowly by slowly reduce it so that P1 and P2 will atleast buck up to develope into better automobile industry standards. If more import cars coming in the market the goverment also make money they didnt THINK of this. All this people should learn more about macroeconomic skills.
this new policy is going to kill more malaysian as our own local made car isnt safe to drive at all. read the paper guys how manylocal made car kill?.
yes, 100% foreign onwership? who is coimng over here?
1. lack of workers
2. invest over rm100m for new manufacturing plants, but car too exp who the hell is going to buy. can u invest?
3. save 100k work direct or indirect with local made cars, burden 23m ppl here
4. i agree proton kill us due to safety issue compare to others car.
i doubt the govt have thought about us? read other country"s policy b4 you implement.
is time to change current gov…my dream to buy at least E200K "berkecai"…
RT said,
October 28, 2009 @ 11:37 pm
Untouchable,
I saw your comment, and search for KLSE Composite Index chart.
I saw drop in January to April 2009, but afterwards, it went upwards except for sharp drop in Sep22. ( http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EKLSE&t=3m&… )
I would say it is the Pak Lah factor
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Obviously you don't know what happened at that period of time.
FYI it was the time when there was a global financial meltdown.
– don't just blame PakLah!!
talk is cheap but where's the substance boy.
i wonder, what does the RT initials stands for? he seems to be a pro BN supporter, nothing wrong with that. Probably his dad is one of the many AP holders, definitely one of the rich kids on the block with a milk bottle in his mouth not knowing what a 9 to 5 job is.
berita yang agak kurang menyenangkan kepada rakyat malaysia yang sukakan kenderaan import..
Mana-mana negara pun akan melindungi automotif negara sendiri. Mungkin di Malaysia nie pengeluar automotif 100% buatan malaysia hanya satu sahaja, jika ada pengeluar lain 100% buatan Malaysia mungkin dapat diterima oleh rakyat dan lebih progresif..
Napa susah-susah pikir pasal harga susut nilai ni??? lebih baik beli hartanah…
Sial punya Goverment..Sial punya Najib..Pukimak betul lah BN ni…Mana2 BN suporter kat sini boleh pergi mati…They never think about rakyat malaysia….We all rakyat malaysia never ask more..We just ask only a little thing for them…but they just don't get it…
pakai moto sampai mati lah mcm nie……rempit 4 life….
why not we developed our own part. I watched discovery turbo everyday, they developed parts at their own end. why can't we. Lot of rich people send their children to UK lah US lah Japan lah. what happened to them,why depending on other country for parts, create our own business make more money. Dont say this lah that lah, do it first then say.
amacam
Toyo said,
October 29, 2009 @ 1:13 am
No offense to anybody lah.. but I can feel some of the issues stated have the Bumiputera’s interests spelled out clearly… 1Malaysia eh?… just my 2cents.again no offense to anybody.
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Toyo
believe me, the statement of specialty on Bumi is only on paper..later on, non-bumi are the one who run this thing…as Bumi just to "Ali Baba" the opportunity given to them…Bumi only like being shareholders & earn easy money..huh
the non bumis can always give out duit kopi to the authority and everything jalan. its a good example of 1M right there.
najis play mamaktahik play….hehe, we are doom….
this is the concept of 1Mesia…
kill people with higher petrol price….
higher petrol price means higher goods price…
later no more affordable 15-year old cars….
means more demands for Potong….
Potong will increase car price in name of quality of competition…
public transportation already dead…
coming soon, electric tariff will rise…just wait.
What this indicates?
1) Gov has no money….
2) Cronies need to milk more money
3) General election just around the corner….hehe
What's more important, mamaktahik got his share since he's now back at Potong helm…
I agree with one commentator here. This is something the G should consider seriously. Car theft will skyrocket if there's no longer imported spare parts. Even now car theft is rampant, imagine once G implement this policy. I am very scared, my Nissan Fairlady will be target for spare parts robbers….it take least that 30 minutes to savage parts from cars with proper air powers tools….I know coz during my 'nakal' time dismantling cars without 10 minutes even!
Cronies gathering at Shangrila-KL every night….
ricaza said,
October 29, 2009 @ 12:34 am
stop-buy-proton-now said,
October 28, 2009 @ 11:52 pm
We need to demonstrate our view. We should stop buying Proton now. This is to show our power. I wont change my car, or I will buy second hand car, but I will not buy any new Proton. Since it is bad time, stop spending in car anymore. Only with this, our next gen can escape from this shit policies.
This policy is forcing us to buy only proton:
1) NO EFFECTIVE PUBLIC TRANSPORT so everyone needs a car.
2) so MANY TOLs
3) 15 years to change car? Its Crazy! thats forcing people to change car! and the cheapest is Proton.
STOP BUYING PROTON NOW!!!
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Also PerolDua, Naza and Inokom… we BUY MODENAS all rite?? haha.. CHANGE your lifestyle..
Any One in the 2nd Spare Parts / Chop Shop industries ?
I think they might have a word on this, most of the comment here is by the 2nd part users, the seller so far keep quiet about this.
Does this means I cannot even buy used parts from Ebay for my own use ?
Look at the bright side guys… lets Audi , Merz and BMW setup their factory here and we will get a cheaper luxury car. The policy is bias but think again . what happen if Proton shut down.. thousands no job ler…this is how u make the money roll in country instead of going to German.
My car still "hidup" cause used the used spare part…
This is like Deja-vu. This 'take whats given or risk losing all' style of government is seriously remniscent of DrM era. I think more details need to be explicit before we take out the guns. We need to channel constructive opinions and ideas through organizations that exist as counterbalance to MITI.
old timers said,
najis play mamaktahik play….hehe, we are doom….
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No offense dude.
But can you please stop with the "mamaktahik" thingy?
You may have some good points to say but it's hard to take your comments seriously when you use 'weird' words.
I'd like to tell you to grow up but you're already old lah!
Same goes to others. What can you gain by using rude words here?
If you have anything you need to say, say it nicely.
Rude behaviors give the impression of an uncivilized nation.
haha…looks like BN having trouble for the coming election, anyway the new policy sounds rediculus for me too…..bravo for those gov blood sucker to set us so much blocks in order for them to make money again!!!!
NAP = Nak Angkat Perodua. Why? They are recognised as National Car, get tax rebates, and still squeeze Malaysians with expensive, unsafe small cars when the BOM costs is very very low due to the shared components in Asia.
R&D in Perodua? The are able to make bumpers and stickers only.
"…Look at the bright side guys… lets Audi , Merz and BMW setup their factory here and we will get a cheaper luxury car. The policy is bias but think again . what happen if Proton shut down.. thousands no job ler…this is how u make the money roll in country instead of going to German."
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If Proton never existed, Toyota / Honda / Nissan, based on our infrastructure we are a much more better place compare to our neighbor, all their manufacturing hub would be in Malaysia, we have more jobs, more income, gov. got more tax. and we all end up with better cars.
If entire AP get the car from MY, then they will expend, and again increase FDI. + jobs.
Even without Proton, they will to source local contents to drive cost down, this will again stir up the local industries. And based on the volume they have, it certainly beats having Proton + Perodua + Naza + Whoever combined.
So question, why do we have Proton in the first place ? Even GM can't make it thru, what makes Proton better than them ?
But since we already have Proton, the G should put more effort on improving Proton. I do not mind buying Proton if it have a car that suit my current profile. (I'm driving an E36 328i). Changing to any new Proton requires me to top up some amount of money and I fail the get the same level of driving satisfaction. (I do not see my 328i is more un-environment friendly compare to a carburetor Iswara which is newer than my car.)
So why should the G force their people to change car ? if their product is good enough, ppl will buy it. I do no see any one from Jap or Ger or even Kor complaining that they want a Proton because their national car is good enough :-)
que said,
October 28, 2009 @ 5:45 pm
the dumbest ppl buy cars.. geniuses buy properties..
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…and bring along with you the $ when your Lord calls….stoopid
RT said,
October 28, 2009 @ 9:08 pm
I think we Malysian worry too much.
I foresee the steps to abolish import of used parts is to ensure there are
1. no potong cars.
2 prevent dumping of old cars in the country.
3 limit car theft syndicate that hid behind second parts.
4. promote refurbish and re-works business (remember my comment about the wire gearbox)
5. reduce number of old and unmaintained cars
6. promote aftermarket and part manufacturing in the country.
7. limit unsafe vehicle modification by ahbengs using used engines and parts that was not even checked or overhauled.
8. promote pople to buy new local cars.
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Man you do have a warped view of the industry.
I'll take this point by point.
1) Potong cars have nothing to do with NAP or restriction of spare part imports. Completely different issue.
2) Whats wrong with dumping. Many will buy a used car instead of a new local because it is simply better. Why buy used if I can buy new local if its just as good? Reason is, they are not.
3) if anything, this will increase car theft as cars are stolen for thier spares. You have to understand the dynamism of supply and demand, and what artificially high pricing does to it
4) refurbishing/rebuilding needs "new" parts too. Don't assume you can buy all new parts that are locally produced. You need to understand what goes into a rebuild.
5) Only point I agree, but you have to answer why we are still driving all these cars. Reason, thats all we can afford.
6) Quality and pricing is its best promotion. Try to improve on that instead of ripping off your customers. Car manufactuers included.
7)There is nothing you can do about this. This is JPJ and has nothing to do with 95% rest of us. My engine is an import engine. Is it a high power engine, NO. I replaced it because the Proton stock engine died…and its cheaper to just drop in a "new" engine
8) Again, why would I buy a new car when my old car is perfectly usable and its unethical to force someone in debt to feed a car company while offering no alternatives (ie. good public transportation). ie. Singapore. given their purchasing parity, their cars are cheaper, and yet, have good public transportation for those that really can't afford a car.
oh and to your other question why americans (I assume North Americans) don't complain about yearly inspections?
The answer is. Try living there for a change. Trust me..they do complain. BIG TIME. It a major PITA to send your car for cleanair or whatever each state calls it. Been through it for 10 years.
Besides, if my car completely fails and its too expensive to repair, I can go a buy a civic for US$16k. (less than 1/2 my annual salary). Same can't be said here.
Oh and just fyi. They don't ban used parts imports either.
You cannot take the industry in isolation. You have to see the big picture, something that I notice that your post lack.
"Foreign firms can apply for manufacturing licenses to hold 100% shares to produces a car with more 1800cc and above RM150K"
i don't understand why the car companies like BMW, VW, Toyota or mercedes want to setup a new plant in Malaysia if they already invested hundreds million in Thailand, Indonesia or another asean country. Or the gov already ask and get confirmation from the foreign car companies to setup the new plant here? This is just to late.
law of attraction, all we do is we complain about proton, and we sent a signal to the universe to tell that Malaysian want to drive a proton made car, so here we are, we get proton cars,
plus NAP is suited for Malaysian to buy proton cars,
So if we stop talking about proton, and talk about TOYOTA, NISSAN and HONDA, and Continental Cars, then we get a new policy thats suites our Malaysian to get other cars,
So the Proton word appears so many times in this thread, and you get proton cars,
So lets talk about Other Cars, how are they better, or worst, and dont mention, think or manifest about proton, then we wont get proton
This is " Law Of Attraction " it works, trust me
Aiyah, last night stomach too full with kari ikan lah too coment, today comment again.
The gomen says that this NAP is drafted with the input of the industry, the car maker, the parts producer, the distributor. What do these people want? They want to eliminate all the nonsense that limit their business growth. Of course in that sense tax and all that but however govt on the other hand find it hard to remove tax due to :
1. They tried the 1st round, and the result is the value of new car falls by 5% and the industry suffers because people cant let go their current ride. This has to be tackled delicately as the 2nd hand dealer complain and ask the gomen to bail them out. Failed.
2. Proton Complain. No comment on that. Its you know I know crap.
3. Govt revenue drop (Wey, Indon pon start increase tax lah wey. Dah la bayar income tax sket, max 27% pastuh nak lari cukai kereta plak. Mana boleh weh, cannot run from cukai punya.)
So, in order to please the car company, part maker and distributor the gomen have to force the elimination of
1. Import used parts. The distributor been suffering because their stock is not moving as the public prefer the used parts. Lots of other countries in the world did not allow importation of used goods, (in other word kita jadi dumping ground la bro). They promise to reduce the margin of parts as they dont need to hold high and long inventory. They can manage their cash flow better (ideally – thinking without greed).
2. Open AP. UMWT/Toyota Motor Japan are known to be really piss off on the availability of JDM through the grey importers. They are open to be sued by the customer due to the fact that the JDM parts are different, the spec are different and the intelligent tester/engine diagnostic system doenst really work like 'one size fits all', it is design according to the region. So by eliminating this (as the numbers are growing like celaka – due to our limited model available to us – again sbb only >40% of the market beli non-national makes) they hope they can control what being offered to the market. Do you think they like the thought of you guys driving MarkX, Honda Edix and Isis Platana? Same goes to VW, they hated the Wald Gti or whatever shit so much too you now. Even Merc hated the UK/JPN spec of recond and to counter that they come up with used co car – cheaper, and got warranty some more. So before these people pour more money, they want to see all these eliminated.
3. The scrap policy. Any gomen will have to do this in order to promote people buy new car. Look at China, Europe and even US. Without the cash for clunck or whatever programme these car company would have died long ago man.
Also lets look into who is behind these car company (dist here)
UMWT/Toyota/Perodua/Hino/Daihatsu – PNB, UMW, MBM resource
Honda – DRB (Syed Mokhtar), Kah Oriental (Boon Siew)
Mercedes Benz Malaysia – Cycle&Carriage, Si Khiong Star, Lowe
BMW Msia – Sime Darby (PNB), Sapura, Ingress (Ini 2 PAS supporter no 1)
Hyundai – Sime Darby (PNB), Oriental Kah
Kia – Naza off course
Mazda – Berjaya Vincent Tan & Naza
So before anybody shoots any filth only towards the gomen, please think who really want these. You want the car co to open up here. In order to do that, we have to adhere to their request right? Imagine what if our gomen is run by car co (bar Proton)? hmm that cant be that good isnt it?
aiyakss…., 2011 money still not enough to get 1 K20A EK conversion kit… tq government, i love u proton
RT @TriciaYeoh MustapMohd's reply 2 MP Kula on why cash from AP sales channeled only to Bumis:"Under 1Msia,bumis also hv right 2b included"
Yes. I like the policy since I am a government cronies!
It's time for Proton joint venture with Euro firm especially car manufacturer from Germany. With their advance technology and safety this will definitely boost Proton sales in years to come. China is coming up, but Proton for nearly 20 years in the making they only come out with so called 2000 cc car. And in achieve this international standard car Proton didn't even come out with 4WD car. This is indeed sad new for Sarawak and Sabah road where most of the road condition is bad where we dont have the choice for this car model.( double cab car) Wake up Proton.
all the bashing and no action is not going to change anything. the only way out is to let proton die a natural death… why let the car owner/potential car owner/rakyat suffer all in the name of a company that employs a few thousand people?
in reality the purchasing power of malaysians can be right up there with the developed economies but unfortunately most of our white-collar workers can barely afford a decent car (needed to get to work/be on time for our appointments) and need a hire-purchase that runs 5-9 years just to pay off the debt!
if you have a proton now, hang on to it for the next 15 years. if you don't, don't buy a proton ~ buy a honda kap chai instead! in 5-10 years time, they proton will disappear into oblivion…
i think better we comment in the 1malaysia website so that our pm can read n take action of it…
IF :
new proton saga 1.6, myvi below RM15K,
exora below 25K,
neo CPS below 20K,
viva & savvy below 10K
then at least it will be okay with this setup.
otherwise = rubbish!
Bursa said,
"Obviously you don’t know what happened at that period of time.
FYI it was the time when there was a global financial meltdown.
– don’t just blame PakLah!!
talk is cheap but where’s the substance boy."
there you go!!…. any relation to NAP or BN?…
you answered you own comment!!
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just to add on something not really related… if you think your children or future generation will still be able to find a job in malaysia, think again! have you noticed how many foreign workers are being employed around the china town area (should be called something else now) and low yat plaza is more like little india/bangla (no offence and not meant to sound racist!). also most restaurants no longer hire locals but foreign workers, be it wait staff or cleaners… not to mention the thousands of foreign workers being employed by the electronic companies… where do you think the locals who are displaced end up? i surely hope they are not your children…
welcome to malaysia… a country we love to hate…
4G63tDSM,
I would rephrase that as thinking out of the box…. :)
BTW, been in the US.. few years
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Bursa..
No need to scream…
MAA is the association for car manufacturers, and they are on the side of car manufacturers. They do not represent us, the car users… thats why they are for the NAP. Look at their list of members….
do you understand?…
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kimi_said,
when I sent my Chinese staff to Jalan Pasar, he got one stuff for RM20,
Whn I go there myself, no matter how much I bargain, I only got same the parts for RM25..
What fair?…
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In 5 years time, I will give excuse to extend AP system again. Why not I just make a law that no cars above 15 years old are allowed on the road? Lagi senang. Nak paksa, paksalah terang-terang sikit, barulah perbuatan lelaki. Why should I make a good Proton car for you, my hamba??? I don't see any point. After all you will still elect me! Just make a toy car, hopefully it will last only 5 years, and I guarantee you will still buy it; otherwise I will make your life even more difficult will more policies and laws.
One malaysia ma, protect the rich, somemore the poor still can drive proton.
perodua, at least still look like a car.
Naza, proton , perodua, need this to stay alive, else they will bangkrup.
they are national brand, our pride. haha.
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1 for all , all for 1.
Andrew,
the problem is not unemployment. it is shortage of people to work at these place, causing us to get manpower elsewhere.
this means that our kids can choose any work they want…
There are still plenty of that kind of work to find.
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We need to ensure our kids could get better education so the they could work at better places. That would be our task..
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scottloeb,
I share some of your insights…
I want your kari ikan too…. where to?.
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IF :
new proton saga 1.6, myvi below RM15K,
exora below 25K,
neo CPS below 20K,
viva & savvy below 10K
then at least it will be okay with this setup.
otherwise = rubbish!
man… even MYVI gear box for automatic transmission almost reach 12k , how do expect to get that price… keep dreaming , living in third world country like us, which we are the end user of the product, not an inventor. unless u produce 100% by local. I Mean all include workers…..
kalo public transport bgs setarap dgn s'pore..wa x kisah kalo NAP wat camneh..neh dah laa public transport teruk..ditambah lak dgn polisi2 bodo NAP neh…sumenya sbb mau protect keta nasional..protect boleh tp jgn laa smp korbankan rakyat..tuh dah kira menindas namanya!
Its confirmed bros. Called them and they said there is NO WAY you can import used auto parts in any means to malaysia anymore. No cert, permission, documents, approval will able to help on this.
The only parts you can get are those locally. New parts or used parts which is manufactured in malaysia only. Sad case
Mysticmind, if those are the prices of cars u wanted…u'll bleeding them dry… they be bankrupt in a blink of an eye…. that's f*&*ing around half of the cost to build the car….
stupid….
G… if u really want us to buy Malaysian products… pls show a good example by using Malaysian made cars… and not Mercedes Benzs etc etc
To really think of it… the bosses of this country are the RAKYATs and not any politicians… after all, we are the ones paying for your salaries!
scottloeb said,
October 29, 2009 @ 9:17 am
Aiyah, last night stomach too full with kari ikan lah too coment, today comment again.
The gomen says that this NAP is drafted with the input of the industry, the car maker, the parts producer, the distributor. What do these people want? They want to eliminate all the nonsense that limit their business growth. Of course in that sense tax and all that but however govt on the other hand find it hard to remove tax due to :
1. They tried the 1st round, and the result is the value of new car falls by 5% and the industry suffers because people cant let go their current ride. This has to be tackled delicately as the 2nd hand dealer complain and ask the gomen to bail them out. Failed.
2. Proton Complain. No comment on that. Its you know I know crap.
3. Govt revenue drop (Wey, Indon pon start increase tax lah wey. Dah la bayar income tax sket, max 27% pastuh nak lari cukai kereta plak. Mana boleh weh, cannot run from cukai punya.)
So, in order to please the car company, part maker and distributor the gomen have to force the elimination of
1. Import used parts. The distributor been suffering because their stock is not moving as the public prefer the used parts. Lots of other countries in the world did not allow importation of used goods, (in other word kita jadi dumping ground la bro). They promise to reduce the margin of parts as they dont need to hold high and long inventory. They can manage their cash flow better (ideally – thinking without greed).
2. Open AP. UMWT/Toyota Motor Japan are known to be really piss off on the availability of JDM through the grey importers. They are open to be sued by the customer due to the fact that the JDM parts are different, the spec are different and the intelligent tester/engine diagnostic system doenst really work like ‘one size fits all’, it is design according to the region. So by eliminating this (as the numbers are growing like celaka – due to our limited model available to us – again sbb only >40% of the market beli non-national makes) they hope they can control what being offered to the market. Do you think they like the thought of you guys driving MarkX, Honda Edix and Isis Platana? Same goes to VW, they hated the Wald Gti or whatever shit so much too you now. Even Merc hated the UK/JPN spec of recond and to counter that they come up with used co car – cheaper, and got warranty some more. So before these people pour more money, they want to see all these eliminated.
3. The scrap policy. Any gomen will have to do this in order to promote people buy new car. Look at China, Europe and even US. Without the cash for clunck or whatever programme these car company would have died long ago man.
Also lets look into who is behind these car company (dist here)
UMWT/Toyota/Perodua/Hino/Daihatsu – PNB, UMW, MBM resource
Honda – DRB (Syed Mokhtar), Kah Oriental (Boon Siew)
Mercedes Benz Malaysia – Cycle&Carriage, Si Khiong Star, Lowe
BMW Msia – Sime Darby (PNB), Sapura, Ingress (Ini 2 PAS supporter no 1)
Hyundai – Sime Darby (PNB), Oriental Kah
Kia – Naza off course
Mazda – Berjaya Vincent Tan & Naza
So before anybody shoots any filth only towards the gomen, please think who really want these. You want the car co to open up here. In order to do that, we have to adhere to their request right? Imagine what if our gomen is run by car co (bar Proton)? hmm that cant be that good isnt it?
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Scottloeb, don't you think this only favours niche group of people? if refer to your comment, you never mentioned lower income group which represent the most of the Malaysian. With increase burden of compulsory inspection for 15 years and more vehicle, do you think they can afford? Do you know they struggling to pay schooling fees for their children? Yet they are denied for owning car they dream as tax remain unchanged?
Recently gov announce RM3k/month household income is in poverty line. So what is this new NAP means for them? That's why i think most of the forummers are so opposing because even degree holder (i think most of the forummers here if not how can use computer) are in poverty line!
This BN government has been plagued with non qualified policy making officer (known as PTD) as mostly are 2nd grade student graduated from literature, art or public admin. Normally excellent student is not allowed to take this course in university and of course those 2nd grade student eventually become officer as the course is in line with the job. With this 2nd grade people government can easily cucuk hidung like kerbau and do what they like unlike top student which oftenly involve in argument. Najib had realising this situation and once said to swap private officers, GLC technical officers to work with government department but it left as taik ayam hangat2.
illogic said,
October 29, 2009 @ 1:20 am
15 yr old cars for inspection – problem is the quality of inspection n the agenda is to make us change cars. developed countries ppl can change bcos their income lvl is fr 3 – 8 mths away from a new car. here its at least 15 mths. so why all these nonsense. i’m ok for inspection if its done professionally but i suspect its a means to degrade n devalue oldies for national newies
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Scottloeb, pls comment above.
Eyesore said,
October 29, 2009 @ 11:44 am
Mysticmind, if those are the prices of cars u wanted…u’ll bleeding them dry… they be bankrupt in a blink of an eye…. that’s f*&*ing around half of the cost to build the car….
stupid….
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How about highly taxed car? Government bleeding them dry. Stupid government even don't know their people situation.
INSPECTION for 15years and above cars just gov hidden agenda to promote Rakyat buy the Protong car….save the cronies….save the failed mahathir's project….
rakyat menanggung sengsara………
nasib nasib……………………………..
malaysians have been paying soo much for cars, its time to lower down the taxes (not abolish it) so that cars would be cheaper and provide real competition for proton n perodua, its a good thing because this would make this two car companies improve tremendously and not being complacent!!! lower those taxes!!!!!!
well mrk,
malays didnt get anything in singapore though, malaysia is alot better than singapore in terms of equalities
We are still living like 5000 years ago, where Emporer rules !! :) LOL
dear Automotive_Critic,
Even though Camry is at 90k, and Vios at 40k,
those having RM1k per month will still cannot afford the car.
It will increase the pool of cars available for sertain segment, but it will not increase the buying power.
Govt will lose their source of income, and cannot make faster development hence putting the poor much poorer.
at the end, only the rich will benefit…
the poor will still loose
Fro those who got a friend buy Camri at 90k at Dubai, please add USD 14k incentive that Japan govt gave to their manufacturers. Then you got 140k Camry..
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A lot of comments here came from car enthusiast, so I can understand why people angry especially when future looks bleak for getting those imported dream cars for cheap, and having to pay more to get the parts to modify your car.
Nevertheless, all should look at the BIGGER PICTURE. The policy is meant for LONG TERM and to ensure we can preserve & improve Malaysia automotive industry & eventually economy as a whole. I see this policy is balanced to keep Proton alive & more competitive, and the same time status quo for other foreign brands. For those who can afford, still can by maaa….just like now.
We should be proud of Proton just like British proud of their car makes, but we must not be stupid as them for not making changes to ensure its survival. In the end, we should think about having more jobs for all Malaysian i.e. if Proton can go further, more workers required to build & export cars + OTHER LUXURY BRANDS & EVEN SPARE PARTS MANUFACTURERS will start their industries here to remain competitive…..AGAIN MORE JOBS.
WE SHOULD NOT BE SELFISH JUST FOR OUR INDULGENCE and end up our next generation poorer Malaysians who do not have even Proton car to buy (since already died)
Good government make decisions not to make everyone happy but for the good of nation’s future.
P.S I’m apolitical as I do not vote….but I’m a businessman, so support decision that is good for business
skyyarif,
actually the taxes for ASEAN made cars below 1.8CC are close to 0-5% only.
but the foreign manufacturers refuse to lower the price
you should ask them why…
It is becomming to expensive to own a car, with fuel prices no more 'subsidi',
do they care about retire people?
this is really crap.. no import parts after 2011??? this is getting me sick.. they so stupid by making a stupid policy without even thinking the rakyat need, by just only think the stupid kroni needs only.. rakyat miskin jd ssh, rkyat kaya jd sng.. bodoh pnya BN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ACritics,
I'm not a big fan of the NAP either. But I believe the reason to introduce these policy is because the gomen is caught between rock and hard place. They choose the manufacturer as they believe they can get sustain their income and the car maker will be happy and invest here. Our priority is the perhaps maybe the last in list ( I might be wrong though bcause I assume our priority is to drive cheap reliable imports) but we still have Saga & viva to get from point A to point B economically right ?(I'm sure I'm gonna get flame for this haha).
Regarding teh scrap policy or 15 yrs inspection, yup, we always have the best plan in the world. Come implementation, you should know better right? Everyone in the value chain wants to make money. That is the main problem of the country.
On PTD, I dont really agree. PTD is the cream de la cream of govt servant. They filtered it using 3 assessment a la Shell interview and and 2nd grader is not really welcomed to join the service. The PTD is the most vocal govt servant, they are like fast track in the services and most govt servant dont really like them. Used to be the days where they hire arts graduates, nowadays they took economist (Ivy league), law degree holder, engineer and accountants in to PTD. The new batch of PTD is the one who is most vocal on govt policies, implementation and such but anyway they work for the govt of the day (who we choose right?). Perhaps you didnt know certain member of the team in EPU that have been working with renown consultant (BCG and such) and their highly acknowledged phd paper (highly paid as well).
The normal JPA might be different though.
better they just make a policy paying road taxes for the whole life, amcm? gerenti org sng pny.. hahahahaha!
October 29, 2009 @ 1:08 pm
dear Automotive_Critic,
Even though Camry is at 90k, and Vios at 40k,
those having RM1k per month will still cannot afford the car.
It will increase the pool of cars available for sertain segment, but it will not increase the buying power.
Govt will lose their source of income, and cannot make faster development hence putting the poor much poorer.
at the end, only the rich will benefit…
the poor will still loose
Fro those who got a friend buy Camri at 90k at Dubai, please add USD 14k incentive that Japan govt gave to their manufacturers. Then you got 140k Camry..
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RT, do you know how many years we been under this policy? did the poor become rich under this policy? Does the G only can earn from auto? Can't think others source? Lazy to think? Does the long-earned huge tax under this policy benefit the people? development is meant of toll road? by tolling the road people can become richer? if lower tax at least people RM1k per month people can start dream to own those cars which sound impossible under this sucking blood policy.
RT said,
October 29, 2009 @ 1:16 pm
skyyarif,
actually the taxes for ASEAN made cars below 1.8CC are close to 0-5% only.
but the foreign manufacturers refuse to lower the price
you should ask them why…
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I answer you, it's not foreign manufactures refuse to lower price but although the import duty is 0-5%, the ED is 75%. please read the tax structure before commenting.
Hi all,
I’ve been reading Paultan for more than a year now.
I’m an expat out here and have always been astonished by the steep price of cars in this country. Even with an income that by far exceeds Malaysian standards, I still find it hard to swallow the price for a safe, efficient and good car.
Government keeps beating around the bush on ALL issues, but especially this the auto industry.
I was shocked to know that some of my Malaysian friends would spend a quarter of their income for almost a decade to pay for an average car. I don’t know any of the countries I visited where such a scheme or daylight robbery existed and don’t know of any people who would accept such a thing. Not having a car in KL is also a very difficult option.
My hopes were high up for the new NAP, but I guess your tax dollars, sweat, hard work and suffering means nothing to your “elected” representatives. Not cool at all.
In the meantime, I might have to put my car purchase on the side (I’m a car lover and afficionado) and content myself with a MyVi to save for my children’s education. But I’ll always be thankful I’m not one of the miserable Malaysians shackled in debt to pay for what…? A car!
Sad story.
Just be patient my Malaysian friends. We empathize…
Peace,
Sirim.
aiyohhh so how i want to find my car part nxt year?? adoiii…already trasplant engine…hutang still got 3 years to go…this gomen so stupid and not think of 'rakyat' what happen to najib slogan ' rakyat diutamakan'!!
PERGGHHHH !!!! HOTTEST TOPIC EVERRRRR…….!!!!
I'D FINALLY DECIDED.
ORGANISED CAMPAIGN TO MAKE SURE P1 COLLAPSE. SUPPORT EFFORTS TO BRING DOWN BARISAN N*JIS.
LETS START NEW.
GIVE A CHANCE TO PAKATAN AND TRY FOR AT LEAST A TERM.
MAYBE THEY CAN DO BETTER. TAK CUBA, TAK TAHU.
I got a better idea. Why dont we all just support what is there to us ie national industry, so that the G will do away all those tax after they are deemed competitive enough to rival others someday? It might be sounds bull but lets think about it as for your future generation struggle so that they might be able to buy the car you couldnt? Sacrifice your needs for theirs! Along with that, the industry will be propelled too, what do ya guys think? Live or die. Hehe.
ssempoi said,
October 28, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
hehehe… teruskan komplen… rakyat malaysia = kereta nak tiptop, cc besar ,kualiti hebat tapi harga mesti ciput, nak minya murah.. tax rendah, nak prasarana dan service bagus… kui kui kui… la ni padan muka… aku sokong sangatlah… kalo kerajaan paksa orang pakai proton lagi aku suka… hahahaha…. tu la yg ada sekarang tak nak bersyukur… sekarang sapa yg padan muka?
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Kita semua ni kira ok la dari lu yang TAKDE TELOR!!! Lu apa hal ni…asyik2 tukar nickname lu (gua tak bodo cam lu mat) pastu masuk sini bagi komen cam hampeh!! Buat malu bangsa sendiri jer! Gua bukan nyer penyokong pembankang pon…gua kerja teruk2, pakai keta sport lg tapi gua ader la akal nak bezakan mana yg adil mana yg tidak!!!
Stick to ONE name boy and prove that you got the balls!!
RT lol, is this thread your new job? Anyways, potong cars are assessed differently, that's why kedai potong can sell halfcuts and parts at prices local people can afford.
I don't buy stolen parts, but I'm not so naive to think a lot of people wouldn't be tempted if the only other option was brand new/special order. As we've established, it's usually 200% of what the parts cost overseas. Besides, people may not have a choice since workshops can simply use stolen parts without telling the customer. Again, if you make it so profitable, people will be more tempted.
"since the kedai potong could still import the cars under AP and scrap the, you could get your W124 parts anyway. but at higher price. 10k per AP plus the taxes…"
AP can't be used on a car that old, and anyways you're dreaming if you think anyone would waste an AP on a scrap W124.
As for roadtax and insurance, most old bmws (including mine) pay same or less tax than your rover. All my old bmw friends pay less than 1k insurance, many same price as your rusa. You need to get rid of the idea that just cause someone drives an old import they are automatically rich. Most are just normal income fellas like you who are getting screwed over by this.
karl,
where to get used car parts?
to meet the needs of the market, a new industry will be born – car butchering. you will see car owners of certain models quickly find their cars being stolen. and the stolen cars will be butchered and parts will be ravaged from them.
and then you can still get your used parts from your friendly neighbourhood chop shop.
i am driving one of those endangered models too. sigh. i have 2 fears now: one, i can't get car parts therefore my car won't run anymore and two, my car will be stolen therefore i can't run anymore. which is the lesser evil?
what comes to my mind is, when my car can't run anymore, i will just get my car butchered up and sell off the parts. and then report the car as stolen to claim insurance. wahahahahahaha… can't beat the system, join the system.
CAN SOMEBODY PLS TALK SOME SENSE.
how come our country will become modern ??? coz , alot of proton and perodua car on the road…..wat a shame………if u go to bangkok, u can see alot of toyota………………….
Lets all move to england…
Shafiq said,
October 29, 2009 @ 2:51 pm
I got a better idea. Why dont we all just support what is there to us ie national industry, so that the G will do away all those tax after they are deemed competitive enough to rival others someday? It might be sounds bull but lets think about it as for your future generation struggle so that they might be able to buy the car you couldnt? Sacrifice your needs for theirs! Along with that, the industry will be propelled too, what do ya guys think? Live or die. Hehe.
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it has been 25 years already. The actual situtation is more and more our children don't get proper schooling necessity as their parent huge amount of money goes to car installment even for crappy proton. It is clearly the story is unchange at least for 5 years more and you can expect what our children will be. We are not sacrifice for them but they are being sacrificed!
what a boring industry…all standard cars
LOL, I just spent 20 mins to go through the comments and found that this is such a waste of bandwith.
The way I look at the comments, there are 3 groups of people here :
A) those whom are severely disappointed with the New Policy eg Paul and the majority of the readers;
B) those whom are here to justify the government's action eg RT and the rest of UMNO cybertroopers;
C) those whom are posted overseas and could make better judgements between different countries policies eg Malaysian @ UK PR and Sirimusa.
From the points put forth by these commentators, there then exists 2 main opinions :
1) A and C argues the case for free market autonomy; and
2) B argues for protectionist measures.
It is just me (and it doesn't even take my PhD to help me evaluate the matter) or are you guys so silly as to be blinded by the fact that no matter how patient you argue forth your case with examples and pricing tariffs, people in this B group would not be convinced. They are clearly within the limits of the protectionism measures (perhaps they are working in local manufacturers factories, or are mechanics whom need a steady supply of ill-made and ill-put-together cars so that their bengkels would continue having businesses, or are locals whom think that their Rusas are the best MPVs in the world just because they can't afford an Estima/Elgrand like the rest of them whom have made it- with hard efforts, if I may add) and the removal of these measures would suddenly jeopardise their status, although they don't have much to start with.
Well, this is the typical frog-in-well attitude. If they would just spend time improving themselves (for starters, start reading real English and learn to write proper sentences with minimal typos and grammatical errors), they would suddenly find that the world is much bigger an entuty than what they have thought thus far, and BN's way is not the only way to govern a country.
We have been slipping off the development status with every passing year and so many countries in ASEAN- some whom were more backward than us, have catched up with us and surpassed us even eg Thailand and Indonesia (well, to an extent), as car manufacturers flock to them with investments and job opportunities, just because they come out with policies that make sense (unlike ours that change at every drop of the coin). And we are talking about countries with ex-premiers like Thaksin, whom was not that smart to begin with.
We have alleged criminals running the country to the ground. If only these people could focus on their womanising and anal penetrations instead of making stupid policies that affect the rest of us, Malaysia would have been a better country.
Even a liberal Malay like me feel ashamed to have my country associated with stupid policies too often too much in the international dailies. Go on, UMNO troopers, I bet you guys would now write flaming statements and ask me to go to China, Korea or UAE because I don't subscribe to your way of thinking (but that's my right in a democratic country, beb :). Go on, track my IP address- I use a proxy software so you won't find me based in Malaysia, silly backward retards.
Sheesh, what a sad bunch of crybabies we have here!
Sipping my latte in Starbucks now… catch me if you can :)
PS : Paul, I hope you'd be able to liberate these retards with your articles and readers' comments over time. A tall order- yes, but we can dream, can't we?
Yes, RT, it's "entity"- I purposedly left ONE typo so that you could at least don't feel so ashamed of being the only arse in the stable that can't spell correctly. Now that makes TWO of us eh?
Join me for a latte now? My treat @ Curve. Come in 15 mins' time and I'll still be here- I'm the chap with the "Mongolian Chicks Rule" tee-shirt and blue jeans. If you come, I'll convince you of my case nice and proper, gentleman to gentleman.
IT IS TIME WE CHANGE THIS STUPID BN GOVERNMENT!!
CiViC_7900,
How to talk sense, when barisan najis talk non-SENSE NAP
1.Malaysia don't have EFFECTIVE PUBLIC TRANSPORT due to,
Every project the 1st priority is how much under table $ can be made from the project.
2.We have alot of Toll,look's who are the boss behind these toll company?
3.15 years old car going to puspakom.Guess who are the boss behind?
Consequence-All $ earn by all idiot malaysian come to my pocket.1 malaysia idea?so 1 malaysia punya $ saya punya lar.If keep on voting for BN.I become richer and richer.
Denial turns to disbelief leads to fear leads to anger leads to retaliation leads to guerilla warfare, smuggling and collapse of nation. Just because the auto industry is screwed, doesn't mean everything else is shot to hell. You can still walk into a Salvatore Ferragamo outlet and buy a pair of shoes at an affordable price. That is, if the assistant didn't ignore you.
Somehow I don't think the auto industry is screwed, just the consumers.
Then govt. should ban all sorts of imported car (inclusive Merc, BMW, Japs and Korean) and content with P1 and P2 then. Walk the talk.. use national car not just for official function but private function.
What the point forcing public to use P1 and P2 (Buatan Malaysia) but they still drive Merc and BMW and their sons driving Porsche & Ferrari.
Totally ban the APs and sell national car lah… if u want to support P1 & P2. Else liberalise the market.
Ape bezanye…
Kete baru ROSAK…… Kete lama ROSAK….
Kete baru ISI MINYAK…… Kete lama ISI MINYAK….
Kete baru LAJU…. Kete lama LAJU….
Kete baru BREK TAK MAKAN….. Kete lama BREK TAK MAKAN…
Kete baru BERKILAT….. Kete lama BERKILAT….
Kete baru excident….. Kete lama excident….
Kete baru KENE TARIK….. Kete lame TAKKKK…
Man, the goverment want to protect p1 p2 make them use p1 cars la, buy merc here camarys there… then say beli malaysia… FARK Q!
I just wanna know what ever happened to our money. some of u might have paid a lot in taxes when purchasing a non national car make. where, does, the money, go to!!!!!minyak dah la mahal.kalu nak tax tax tax manjang kat keta, ok aku faham, tp mana dia subsidy utk semua kita rakyat MALAYSIA?aku definitely hate to say this tp aku x suke org thai, org singapore dtg isi minyak kat petrol station kita dgn harga subsidi.itu hak kita org MALAYSIA.sume kau nak tax.rokok yg aku isap ni pun makin lama makin mahal!!!!!!ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!
SEMUA KAU LANYAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm a car enthusiast, but can't afford expensive ones, still using my 15 year old pride, lightly modded & well maintained with used japan parts. Still a head turner, i might say. Proton & Perodua never managed to impress me enuf to buy 'em…be it looks or performance. Imagine still running on most of the original parts til now. Trust Toyota!! Thought my toyota's a keeper for life until I read the NAP today. My heart actually aches reading thru the policies…went thru about 5 times just to make sure I fully understand the decision our elected representatives made!! I aint wanna go thru 'em 'agonizing' years of installments no more but it seems our government is determined to squeeze every penny out of an average taxpayer like me. I would understand if it means helping our country to 'grow' but my goodness! look at what wheels the politicians and their children are driving and the castles they live in (not all, though)!! To think that the gov't now owes billions of ringgits to the people thru investments in ASM, ASW & AS1M really send shivers down my spine! If Im not mistaken, ASNB is the only investment firm offering a steady and 'fat' dividend annually in this world without having to declare where the funds are invested in, or so I thought! How vulnerable our country's financial status is at this moment…a slight instability(or rumor) can send an exodus of nervous investors to the banks to 'claim their belongings'! Enough said, I wish to inform that the above statement is of my personal view…so don't crucify me and I certainly do not need shallow-minded 'Bongok' or ignorant 'Nemo the fish' to tell me to move out of the country coz Im born in Malaysia & Im a true Malaysian…despite the bumi stats. Cheers! Life goes on….
another excuse to delay whatever it is.
Just amaze that MITI is not only involve with New Car but also keen with vintage car status. Thought that was Ministry of Transport's work?
I believe, the probability of gettin Seriously Injured in an accident increases significantly when you are in any Perodua vehicle…affordable but a 'Killer Machine'!!!
Where is the proton employee here? Si-fu, 360, farghmee, bla-bla. keep silence as job is secure at least for five more years. good.
Automotive_Critics said,
October 29, 2009 @ 9:07 pm
Where is the proton employee here? Si-fu, 360, farghmee, bla-bla. keep silence as job is secure at least for five more years. good.
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yea….that's why, the term "car fan" is very vague. nobody can really be a car fan. if car clubs could wage wars. the world would be in a disarray.
I don't mind if cigarette and alcohol tax raise another 100%, since it is a luxurious and sinful item which only those who can afford will buy. But I do not agree with the compulsory inspection for 15 years old cars annually which burden the poor who have no money car.
Fck , now only announced .. I will missed out on Toyota's Oct promotion .. fck Najis and his cronies !! fck Proton , I hope you will run into financial crisis soon and forced to sell to foreign car maker .. else .. u better go bankrupt .. fck !! Cant u blardy gov just emulate Thai .. whats Potong contributed to our economy anyway ?? fck laaa …
I have only three comments to the the people posting in this thread:
1) Ask your friends who LIVE in Thailand, Indonesia or Singapore (our three closest neighbours) how much they pay for cars. No, not the advertised price, but the price to actually get a car OTR with insurance and tax and whatnot.
2) Proton cars are significantly more expensive in Thailand than in Malaysia, yet their prices are still competitive.
3) Look at the path Korea took. They were even more restrictive than Malaysia for an even longer time (proton est 1986, Hyundai in the 1940s). There is nothing special about the NAP. It's just something governments do to protect local industry.
4) You think other governments dont protect their car industries? America recently bailed out their car companies to the tune of 25 THOUSAND MILLION (25,000,000,000) US Dollars. Australia regularly gives tax breaks and even free land to it's local car manufacturers (under foreign brands, but the concept is similar to what NAP is trying to do now). Last year those benefits in melbourne alone topped $2 thousand million AUD. Yeah, other countries dont have NAP, but people there pay 30%+ income tax..regardless of what car you buy.
News of extending AP dateline will continue to be revised over-an-over again as expected to happen. Is about market demand and supply… so there is a demand it will be revised.
Blanket ban on used spare parts, hurts businessman and car owners. It gray areas here.. used sport rims as still useful and doesn't hurt the environment should it be ban?
M.Government open manufacture of 1800cc is welcome news, as this create job opportunity and component business. However, my guess these car will be for export market unlikely someone would be paying RM150,000 for it. Then may be AP holder can import these back to Malaysia at a right price.
Proton has opportunity to tie-up foreign players, but it taking "sweet time" , my guess no pressure becos M.govt protection and it dampens consumer confidence of your product.
support proton i agree
but perodua….????
perodua cars actually daihatsu…
why bother…
i agree with jilatbontot..
Tell me why should I build a good car for you? Why should I build a good bridge or stadium for you. I want more repairs, more projects and more money in my koceksss. If I were able to, I even want every single project to be crappy so that I earn twice/thrice from one project. Hey my house has 30 guards and you Banglas and Indons can never touch me; so welcome.
Automotive_Critics said,
October 29, 2009 @ 9:07 pm
Where is the proton employee here? Si-fu, 360, farghmee, bla-bla. keep silence as job is secure at least for five more years. good.
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->They're calculating bonus already man…hehe…duit masyuk…thx to bloody money
old timers said,
October 29, 2009 @ 11:48 pm
Automotive_Critics said,
October 29, 2009 @ 9:07 pm
Where is the proton employee here? Si-fu, 360, farghmee, bla-bla. keep silence as job is secure at least for five more years. good.
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->They’re calculating bonus already man…hehe…duit masyuk…thx to bloody money
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yea man….so we are basically their employers rite
my Myvi just 2 years old. I bought it for rm43k(not include interest).
my Civic is 16 years old. and i bought it for rm20k (only).
my Myvi makes a lot of shaking noise when travel on KL shitty road, the rear power window no longer working, but my Civic, still run like brand new..
taxes should be lowered (not to abolish)!!!
APs will end on the 2020, haha wow lama nya
i certainly dont mind if those APs are meant for students to be given as scholarships, make new bridge, bagi org miskin etc etc, tapi bagi hampir semua pergi kat rafidah, no wonder shes able to buy chunky jewelleries like hell
guys, here are new proton car prices sold here in BAHRAIN (equivalent rm): Persona LL rm36k, Persona ML rm40.5k, Gen2 rm36.9k, Waja rm34.2k.
Sad isn't it why Malaysians have to pay SO MUCH??
They got it in reverse order. At least they should reduce the price/tax first, then apply the puspakom check for 15 years cars, then banned the chop shop..
Whats is happening now is cekik leher rakyat. 1Malaysia, all for one, but who is that 'one'? Selfish, jual ikan lah..
skyyarif said,
October 30, 2009 @ 1:37 am
taxes should be lowered (not to abolish)!!!
APs will end on the 2020, haha wow lama nya
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->haha, skyyarif, dont be so naive….
it will not end on 2020, it will end the time barisan najis die… so if they're on power in 2020, hehe, AP will be extended… u know flip-flop is a virtue of barisan najis gov
Old-vehicle move merely to boost auto sale
THE Government’s intention to make tests for old vehicles (10 years or older) mandatory as a requirement for road-tax renewal does not reflect well on the “1Malaysia, People First” spirit.
Who are those using old but still roadworthy vehicles? Retirees, pensioners and the lower-middle income groups as the new or newer cars are priced beyond their reach.
Now, besides the time and money spent on the maintenance of their old faithfuls to keep them in road-worthy condition, the mandatory inspection would be an additional but unnecessary financial and time-consuming burden to them.
Proton Edar Dealers Association Malaysia said the mandatory inspection of old vehicles was a good move and in line with developed countries. And it added that “the scrapping of old cars is important for our automobile industry”.
The bottomline here of this measure is to boost the sale and profits of the automobile industry at the expense of an affordable means of private transport for the lower income group.
The Government should put in place an efficient, reliable and affordable system of public transportation before it opts for policies that will deprive the lower income group of an affordable means of transport in favour of bigger profits for the automobile industry.
If the G wants to encourage us to scrap our old cars and buy new ones then they should lower the tax rates… dont you think so???!!
Before we f;'[ the government royally over the NAP, Malaysians should consider a few things first.
1. NO government in the world will give up tax revenue without implementing a way to recoup the tax loss first.
2. It is very obvious the target needed to replace the loss from a reduction in the excise duties of cars will come from the fuel subsidy.
3. Come January next year the government will raise petrol prices like crazy first then only will they announce a reduction in the excise duties on cars.
4. Reducing subsidies on fuel will enable the government to IMMEDIATELY save a shit load of money. At the same time, the loss from a reduction in excise duty will not be immediately result in a great loss of tax revenue for I do not believe car sales will skyrocket even when excise duties are reduced due the usual budget and financing constraints faced by the 'makan gaji' public.
5. Are we prepared to pay for RM 3.00/litre fuel in exchange for cheaper cars?
still keeping and maintaining my faithful charade g11… more to collectors car i presume..
nearly completed and now darn!..
been hard-hit by the news…
better go and find a new spare engine i think hehehe
faker this govt.
Rx-ate said,
October 30, 2009 @ 9:15 am
If the G wants to encourage us to scrap our old cars and buy new ones then they should lower the tax rates… dont you think so???!!
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cheaper brand new car, can cause more used car… Use car dealer gulung tikar already if that happen… Then insurance increase.. bank also increase the flower..haha..
Let support NAP….Nak Angkat Peroldua/Proton
no more used part??? so i'll need to find brand new b16b…WTF???
Disapointment…Our choice has been ripped all these years and continue. Sumary, you need to use your hard work money to subsidy the gov no matter you buy local or foriegn made car in this country. Pay extra more if you want quality else pay more with low quality. Happy motoring Malaysian.
Vincent Ang,
I share your opinion. Prepare to pay RM 7 for a plate of chicken rice from roadside hawker food.
They will reduce the excise duty upon completion of fuel price liberalization and the bank will limit the max loan tenure back to 5 years. The interest will shoot around 5 to 7% and the min d/p will be 10 to 20%. In the end TIV will shrink to 350K heheh and the car co will find it hard to sell theirs, again people will buy Viva and MyVi lah
Hey where's that RT guy. Suddenly no noise? Kena bantai teruk-teruk for supporting NAP i think, hehehehehe
Knight templar,
That RT guy go calculating bonus already lah maa… work done, biasalah, kroni maa….hehe
RT,
ckp mcm bagus.. tp x boleh pakai..
kau banyak duit bolehlah nak semua brand new part.. rebuilt engine lah ape lah.. masalahnya kalau part tu ade boleh la beli, kalau xde??… nak beli online mahal.. ntah2 nak bawak masuk x boleh sebab policy **&^ nih.. silap2 kene tax mahal gile nak bawak masuk..
mangkuk punye sape yg buat policy..
haram x pernah fikirkan rakyat nih.. taulah diorg kaya..
kalau ade explaination pun buat la dgn jelas supaya rakyat x terkeliru..
$%@$%@%$@
wow 400++ comment……… Those gomen ppl are laughing all the way to the bank with 300million. While sucker like us buzy arguing here without any conclusion… go go 1Malaysia….zzz
RT comments like mee sup without the sup….Not interesting at all. No interest to bash him also, sorry bro….so boringlah ur comments….
old timers said,
October 30, 2009 @ 2:45 pm
Knight templar,
That RT guy go calculating bonus already lah maa… work done, biasalah, kroni maa….hehe
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Opss..sorry.. No bonus for Gov staff this year i heard from sumone..thats mean private sector will not give bonus also… damn..
I gona fuck them up if i queue up so long in puspakom!
by 2015 my car will be 15 years old…. by then new car price will drop……… wishful thinking if it the same gov….arghhh
LOL its ezra the broken record again, doing his mandatory inaccurate cut-and-paste post on an NAP thread. such a loyal little lapdog
i have a 32yrs old car…damn. after this no more chop shop. damn damn
actually the G want us to be slaves for the bank for the rest of our life.
i think RT can be anyone of us right now. hahahahaha!
in 20 years time, lets hope something happens.however i would not have the privilege to fight this war with you guys. i shall take the coward step and move to another country.
"Import duty on CBU & CKD cars maintained. "
There you go, it's a sin to buy good quality reasonble priced car but forced a great joy to buy expensive junk like Proton.
Well as cronism corruption never die, why don't govt just set a limit of cars,suv, mpv below 2000cc petrol or diesel engines are all open market prices but above that range it's all govt to slap any price to this 'luxury' cars. Slap RM1million for Merc C200 but RM40K for Toyota Vios or RM25K for Proton Saga.
Deal or no deal?
N A P – Never Against Proton!
Crony first, Crony now.
Rakyat die first, Rakyat die now.
Proton musuh N0.1 pengguna kereta Malaysia!
agree w azrink… slave to the bank……..
Jumbsuck said,
October 31, 2009 @ 8:40 am
“Import duty on CBU & CKD cars maintained. ”
There you go, it’s a sin to buy good quality reasonble priced car but forced a great joy to buy expensive junk like Proton.
Well as cronism corruption never die, why don’t govt just set a limit of cars,suv, mpv below 2000cc petrol or diesel engines are all open market prices but above that range it’s all govt to slap any price to this ‘luxury’ cars. Slap RM1million for Merc C200 but RM40K for Toyota Vios or RM25K for Produa MPV.
Deal or no deal?
N A P – Never Against Produa!
Crony first, Crony now.
Rakyat die first, Rakyat die now.
Podua musuh N0.1 dan 2 pengguna kereta Malaysia!
in soviet malaysia, proton drives you!!!
YES, malaysia boleh…..
stupid policy and stupid leadership from malaysia gov, so, make a stupid and no quality production, what to do, if really open the market and not protect the P brand, a lot of ppl jobless, and gov will loss the profit on the auto industry..
ya….malaysia boleh….
Yupp, in order to protect those VVIP cronies….there are so many jobless Malaysians anyway, many more underpaid. I think G purposely want to create a country like Burma, Cuba or North Korea. Brainwashing us with useless slogan and now this..asking us to take a NAP. NO WAY!! We have a choice, we want a new G come next general election. We want true autonomy in automotive, every sectors not only benefit few VVIP…
I went Outstation la friday…
you guys miss me already?.
Automotive_Critics:
What ED?.
ED is the same for all vehicles. Local or imported.
See: http://www.maa.org.my/info_duty.htm
Tax reduce, then price should reduce la…
Simple math right?.
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sirimusa.
I pity you,
but the country need some kind of income.
probably this is one of the only way they comfortable with.
it might not be right in our eyes.
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the rest who whine about no parts.
I am sure there will other option on import of used parts.
the most I could see that you might have to apply to MITI to bring in the parts for their
cars. Probably they have to provide prove of ownership to get the approval
once got the approvel, then they can import.
the cutshop company might put their base overseas to assist these independent importers.
they will still live on.
it might be a hassle, and take some time but I see that would be a best solution.
the G would want to gag the mass import of halfcuts but they might have their own reason.
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I also did not agree of annual checks, at least until puspakom can sort out the queue
problem., I would like to see checks every 5 years on all cars.
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Panasonic_DSLR.
I would dream of getting a Nikon D300.. Panasonic.. No thanks
If you give me for free, I probably sell it and buy a Nikon D300 :)
Anyway, I was never an UMNO member nor their cyber-whatever.
All ideas are mine, I am not forced to put in ideas of other poeple.
If I happens to have same ideas with the G, then I am damned.
else, I am a celebrated hero.
I am entitled of my own ideas. If you don't like it, it is not my problem.
Those with different view, you are entitled to your view. I would have to respect that. No,
I will not ask you to leave the country. this is what freedom of speech is all about
And I worked nearby actually. Damansara Perdana.
sorry I was at client site that time. cannot join you.
Meet other time. gentleman to gentleman.
My typo does not represent my ideas. :)
I got only 360 in my English SAT.
I noticed that sometimes my left hand is faster than my right hand.
thats why I got "time" become "tiem". I am a southpaw.
in some other times, the typo is intentional.
anyway what important is the content. it does not matter how we delver it.
sometimes, people screw me for spelling color withut the "u"
they not even read the whole enchilada.
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ezra,
don't bother to write,
most of the time, these fellas would not read your comment.
they just wanna know if you are with them or against them.
if you are against them then they will try to find your typos, or just make funny of your
name.
this is the malaysian way.
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Vincent And,
I share your thought..
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old timers / knoght_templar
I am working too. I don't have 24hrs in front of PC.
Yes, I am somebody's crony. Who aren't?
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akubarutukoengin
aku tak kaya. abelum lagi kot. nak gak kaya…
rebuilt engin tak mahal.
aku dah buat pun.. ada experience.. bukan cakap kosong…
ko dah termakan cakap tokey kedai potong tu.
part takde jual scrap la…
tak payah la menyumpah seranah..
ko jgn pecaya sgt komen2 kat sini. banyak assumption dari fact.
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Elvis,
no problem..
bashing does not bring anything good.
so I would not advice you do that to anybody.
just give me fact that I can chew, and I might rethink my position..
at least scottloeb and some other guy did gave me something to chew.
assumptions just don't cut it.
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Mohd,
VW Passat price in Malaysia and of Germany's have no link with productivity for each
country.
your logic is false
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kimi_said
when you said "the strong will survive" — that capitalist thinking.
what happen to everybody is equal?.
that's why they created handicap in golf!.
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Calvin Ngan
Why is that if I speak my mind, and not in tune with the reast I am labelled
1. "pro BN"
2. Rich kid whom father have AP.
3. Got milk bottle.
that are purely assumption.. a kind of character assasination..
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Aneel Said
guys, here are new proton car prices sold here in BAHRAIN (equivalent rm): Persona LL rm36k, Persona ML rm40.5k, Gen2 rm36.9k, Waja rm34.2k.
Sad isn’t it why Malaysians have to pay SO MUCH??
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Simple, because G is using your money to subsidise foreigners (it is also an indication that their unit cost of production is not competitive), instead of helping its own people, they are helping foreigners, only people with extreme low IQ could thought of that.
Actually this is called DUMPING in US (selling something more expensive in the country where it is manufactured than export). That's why u will notice that PROTON is not allowed to enter US because US has this ANTI DUMPING law.
But strange, I do not understand why all the ASEAN countries do not gang up against Malaysia in AFTA? Maybe they all have a very good and harmonious spirit in ASEAN, Long Live AFTA!!! I pew.
Dumping or no dumping, Proton enter US? Joke of the century.
They wont even dare try. They'd be eaten up.They will have to position whatever they have under the Koreans. And the Koreans are already selling good cars and very low prices.
You can get a Hyundai Elantra 2.0 for about 15-17k there and the fully loaded Accent 4 door 1.6 goes for 15k. Now, this is MSRP inclusive taxes and destination charges, they often sell below MSRP if you negotiate.
Its difficult to imagine Proton positioning the Persona below the Accent, because its probably what it takes to sell it there.
Bro RT….your replies also sucks. No emotion at all…like robot comment. You dont get angry at all when others bash you. It's like playing badminton with a retard…sori yah..hope others not offended, just s scenario like only. Well, maybe only me feeling this, so not a good assumption of the rest here. Well Bro RT…keep up ur comments coming in…NOT…
aisehh baru plan nak beli silvia S15..after 2 years then no part to buy…aiyoooo
Rakyat Didahulukan .. Pencapaian Diutamakan ….. SUCK!!
Let me just summarise from the beginning…
Someone wanted to build national cars and sell them, so that the rakyat can have affordable cars (intention is good). But they can't build them good enough and is afraid the rakyat will not buy them (fear and pride). So in order to ensure that most people buy national cars they tax non national cars so high, so that in comparison, the national cars seem affodable. The taxes and duties on non national cars can go up to 300%.
By doing so, they literally force many people to buy national cars and limit the choices that are available. That is just plain wrong. That's manipulative and normally I won't even call it a mistake. The good intention of providing affordable cars had now backfired and we have some of the most expensive cars in the country. This has been going on for 20 years. For 20 long years, the rakyat have suffered because of the ambition of someone who can't do a proper job.
Now in the present, someone have a chance to correct the mistake but they refuse to correct it. 20 years is a long time for them to fix whatever that needs fixing but it wasn't fixed. And the rakyat continue to suffer for the mistake of 1 person. If you have made a mistake or a blunder, admit the mistake and move on. If you can't fix it, let go. Don't let the rakyat continue suffering because of your pride and your incompetency. That's just plain wrong and immoral. You make others suffer because of your own pride.
Many a times, we fail because of fear. we fear that by letting go, the national cars will die. If we let go, perhaps due to increased competition, the national cars may actually buck up and do better (due to natural survival instincts). The Thais let go and allow foreign manufacturers to their job and they did a good job (creating plenty of jobs, brought in a lot of investments, exported a lot of cars which brought in a lot of money, created the secondary parts industry etc etc) All these benefited the rakyat of Thailand greatly.
On the other hand, perhaps, by letting go, the national cars may actually die (of a natural death due to not being the fittest). If after 20 years they still can't compete and die, they deserve it. It's time to swallow our pride, admit the mistake and move on. Let those who can do the job, do it but don't let the rakyat suffer anymore.
If the national car manufacturer do die (big assumption), others who can do a better job will still create job opportunities, will bring in investments, will export lots of cars and bring in foreign exchange and the parts suppliers will continue to supply. the rakyat will not lose anything. someone will lose face because their project turn out to be a failure but last time i checked, everyone makes mistakes, so take it like a man. By providing a level playing field, the rakyat will no longer need to suffer. The rakyat will be happier and life will be much better.
The rakyat have suffered a long long 20 years. Enough is enough. Don't make more mistakes to cover up previous mistakes and let us suffer because of it. The rakyat have spoken. it would be good advice to take heed. Just look at the overwhelming reponse of discontent, hate and anger. Do the right thing, admit the mistake, swallow your pride and correct the situation. Do it now and not 5 or 10 years later. The rakyat cannot wait another 5 or 10 years anymore.
Elvis,
thanks..
Aneel,
Persona ML without sales tax and excise would be 40k. same price as bahrain. no discounts.
BTW, do you know that Japan gave their auto manufacturer USD4k to 14k per car in subsidy when their export their cars? (have to repeat this again sign…)
rchoo,
previous proton models does not meet american safety requirement. The new ones might be able to meet the requirement. however there are numerous business restrictions and huge capital required that would make it not financially viable for Proton to venture into the US.
Especially this time when the American auto manufacturers are getting billions of dollars of incentive and subsidies from their govt.
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common sense,
This is my summary (very short one, nama pun dah summary):
-Mamaktahik created this shit called Potong for cronies
-Potong losing on market if AFTA rules…which means no more money for u cronies..
-Mamaktahik's sudah murka, hence, anak mamaktahik as MITII honchos need to do sumething… where this NAP crap coming out…
RT said
previous proton models does not meet american safety requirement. The new ones might be able to meet the requirement. however there are numerous business restrictions and huge capital required that would make it not financially viable for Proton to venture into the US.
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I agree with your above statement and also other reasons which I like to highlight:
Apart from numerous business restrictions and huge capital required that would make it not financially viable for Proton to venture into the US. We also have to admit
1) Proton unit cost of production is not competitive.
2) They cannot get past the US ANTI DUMPING law. (U simply cannot sell your car cheaper than your country where it is manufactured than the country which u wish to export to especially if u wish to export to US – other countries seemed to be quite lenient on this)
Your statement of numerous business restrictions and huge capital required that would make it not financially viable alone is only PART OF THE TRUTH but not sufficient as an excuse for Proton not being able to export to US. If your product is good enough and competitive enough, this should not constitute any hurdle at all for P1 to export to US (I am sure G will help P1 financially to overcome these so called business restrictions and huge capital requirement). A good example is the Korean (their cars are competitively price, reasonable quality and no worries of US ANTI DUMPING law.)
Secondly, They American car manufacturers only need their government assistance during this during this turmoil (for survival) and not previously. I have to admit the American car manufacturers have not been competitive enough for a long time. Just take a look at all their cars' exteriors and dashboards – It seemed not much thought had been put into it – probably they deserved it.
We do not normally see US cars in Malaysia, probably only FORD and CHEVROLET of limited models.
But u get to see all the American cars in SAUDI ARABIA, u name it from all the BIG 3
GM, FORD, CHRYSLER with all their sub brands, the bigger (the gas guzzler) the better for the SAUDI. Their sizes are a lot bigger than TOYOTA Land Cruiser (small indeed). U see a lot of HUMMER too.
But I can conclude that American cars are squarish and ugly, part of the reasons for their down fall.
To RT,
kalau setiap 15 tahun mahu tukar kereta…. sampai bila rakyat boleh merdeka dari segala hutang?…. ko bangang ka RT… hidup ingat untuk buat hutang jer ka?
hidup ini bukan hanya utk tukar beli kereta…. aku mampu beli 1 kereta utk sepanjang hayat….kerana byk tanggungan…..dan byk perkara lain lain sperti rumah, makanan, pakaian….. ingat kalau beli kereta murah cam pakai buang tuh musti kena kuar duit juga la RT…. mangkuk hayun nyer RT….
hidup berhutang adalah tidak merdeka…. negara merdeka tapi rakyat tidak merdeka….
very disappointing.
alasan pro-new NAP yg bangang, kalo tak mampu beli kete, naik kenderaan awam…
mcm kenderaan awam bagus sangat…..
Hey RT,
When does ur kind intend to actually work for your food? Now that ur tired of eating the bones and bits that the others have spat out you want the meat all for urself. Much like the scavenging vultures that are oh so commonly seen tearing off bits from a carcass. How shameful to think about such peoples so used to handouts and nipplefeeding oopps bottlefeeding, now want to 'defend' their stand. I tell u what, first try finding a definition for wat it means to be ur type then u can play big boy games like posting opinions in forums. If all else fails then check into rehab….take it from someone who really does not want the ur kind to be extinct once 'handouts' are abolished.
RT, nak naik kenderaan awam…? tempat aku kat Hulu Langat area-area sg. congkak nih mana ada kenderaan nak masuk K.L. untuk bekerja, kalau puspakom ckp kete aku yang berusia 23 tahun nih tak lulus…. mau naik teksi? Kepala hontak ko berjambul….
alfisti said,
October 30, 2009 @ 11:39 pm
LOL its ezra the broken record again, doing his mandatory inaccurate cut-and-paste post on an NAP thread. such a loyal little lapdog
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The NAP is winding down, currently, malaysian On-The-Road prices (ignore online prices) are only about 25% higher compared to that of developed countries for similar make and models (in the popular =<2.0L segment). This margin will decrease with time.
The NAP is a distraction. The REAL ISSUE is the LOW PURCHASING POWER (PPP adjusted) of malaysians, currently at about 1/3rd that of people in developed countries.
At the end of the day there is simply no free lunch. The overall productivity of the country is tied with the purchasing power of it's citizens. Malaysia has Oil and Gas yes, but divided by 25 million people it's not that very much (ie. per capita).
The real factor that would make cars more affordable is not price alone, but the income of the general population. If your country doesnt produce much stuff, and has a worthless currency, there is no point earning heaps even if cars were tax free like in langkawi.
I reiterate: THE REAL ISSUE IS THE LOW PURCHASING POWER OF MALAYSIANS.
We need genuine productivity and an industrial base to drive it up. That's what the NAP is for. It is similar to what Korea did and there is nothing special or revolutionary about the NAP. Other countries do it too! Sure cars are 25% cheaper on the road in say, Louisiana, but keep in mind they pay about 40% income tax there regardless of whether or not they own a car. Foreign governments bail out their industries too – some indirectly via tax breaks, free land, and fleet orders (Australia replaces it's police fleet with holdens every 40,000km or two years).
Are cars cheper in developed countries? Yes. Because their people's purchasing power is THREE TIMES BIGGER than malaysians.
Selling out to foreign companies, giving them free access to the malaysian market will turn us into something similar to the gulf states where every damn thing is imported, and local industry and productivity is stifled – eventually resulting in a lower purchasing power of malaysian citizens…so what if cars are cheaper if your money is worth less?
MARI LAH SAUDARA SEMUA….NAIK BASIKAL SAHAJA…..GO GREEN
1. The objective of sending the car more than 15 years old should be safe-guarding the public and the road users. However, I have yet to see any statistics that cars older than 15 years caused more accidents on the road than newer cars?
2. If the public is not convinced that the intention of these "tests" are for the safety of the rakyat, but cause unnecessary hardship for the people especially the poor, I am sure this will be reflected in the next general election.
KB7,
Can u see the below happens before NAP take place or before imported spare parts banned?
1Public transport existence / efficiency increased
2More time given for old cars to be replaced
3Puspakom improved, or more licenses given to certified workshop..
4Lower car prices..
I dont foreseen any of above will happen, so it's going to burden normal folks like us….
woit RT…. kalau beli kete baru sudah abis warranty…. tetiba itu gearbox atau enjin dah pecah…. mau beli yang original ka? kalau ada kedai potong mau tukar murah la…. honda city cvt satu gearbox baru rm25k…. kedai potong baru rm3k…itu gearbox otomatik biasa pon kalau original sudah rm10k….. apa yang bagus sgt NAP nih….kalau rosak gearbox/enjin kena beli kete baru? Blodihell… sapa yg sokong NAP… mmg kaw2 kena dgn BN…. BN is like Freemason, mau jadi rakyat hamba kepada mereka.. anda tidak merdeka selagi anda dikontrol oleh BANK….
woit RT…. kalau beli kete baru sudah abis warranty…. tetiba itu gearbox atau enjin dah pecah…. mau beli yang original ka? kalau ada kedai potong mau tukar murah la…. honda city cvt satu gearbox yg baru sudah rm25k…. kedai potong baru rm3k…itu gearbox otomatik kete proton pon kalau original sudah rm10k….. apa yang bagus sgt NAP nih….kalau rosak gearbox/enjin kena beli kete baru? Blodihell… sapa yg sokong NAP… mmg kaw2 kena dgn BN…. BN is like Freemason, mau jadi rakyat hamba kepada mereka.. anda tidak merdeka selagi anda dikontrol oleh BANK…. gila punya "G"…
woit RT…. kalau beli kete baru sudah abis warranty…. tetiba itu gearbox atau enjin dah pecah…. mau beli yang original ka? kalau ada kedai potong mau tukar murah la…. honda city cvt satu gearbox yg baru sudah rm25k…. kedai potong baru rm3k…itu gearbox otomatik kete proton pon kalau original sudah rm10k….. apa yang bagus sgt NAP nih….kalau rosak gearbox/enjin kena beli kete baru? Blodihell… sapa yg sokong NAP… mmg kaw2 kena dgn BN…. BN is like Freemason, mau jadi rakyat hamba kepada mereka.. anda tidak merdeka selagi anda dikontrol oleh BANK…. gila punya "G" <— Freemason
May I suggest something who need a car to move around or work: Get a motorcycle! Little tax to Gov, no need to pay toll, less burden on Gov to give subsidies, can park ANYWHERE, can never get stuck in traffic jam, will never cause traffic jam (unless in the motor lane on Federal Hwy) and more money to buy other stuff! Not a single cen goes to P1, P2 when you buy a moto!
Like our goverment said, Change Lifestyle! Ditch the car and Rempit to work! More dangerous yes, but not any safer than some local cars.
Like the saying: My father rode a camel, then a moto, then a car. I drive a car, but now have to go back to moto :( Later back to camel?
Or dun buy any cars at all! If everyone stop buying P1, P2, Naza, Toyota, Honda etc for 1-2 months the entire motor industry will hangus and all the Gov have to loosen up coz no money (tax) is flowing!
Pencapaian diutamakan, rakyat didahulukan..all hail 1Malaysia
Pst pst, a bicycle would do a much better job.
Not only you will not pay a single cent to P1P2, not a single cent to Petronas, can go anywhere and park EVERYWHERE including your apartment balcony.
And you might save big chunk of medical consultation fee after you retired.
next thing you know, need AP to import bicycle. Proton already makes bicycles in case if such a scenario were to happen.
Please join our program this Thursday at Restoran Qaseh Bistro Parking Lot at Sec13 Shah Alam. Back of the Tesco Extra. Please support our program and press conference to boycott this stupid NAP! Please visit our Kelab Volkswagen Klasik Selangor website for more information…ty..
http://vwclubselangor.webs.com/apps/forums/topics…
Perhaps it's the rakyat that made the mistake. We make the mistake of electing the wrong people. We elected people who are more concerned about their own happiness instead of the rakyat's happiness. Let's all correct our mistake during the next election. let's not repeat the same mistake that we have done for the last 20 years, otherwise we will suffer for another 20 years.
TheStoryTeller said,
November 3, 2009 @ 8:10 pm
Please join our program this Thursday at Restoran Qaseh Bistro Parking Lot at Sec13 Shah Alam. Back of the Tesco Extra. Please support our program and press conference to boycott this stupid NAP! Please visit our Kelab Volkswagen Klasik Selangor website for more information…ty..
http://vwclubselangor.webs.com/apps/forums/topics…
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i can't attend this as i do not own a volkswagen but i support your cause 100%
Encik RT
'hidup berhutang adalah tidak merdeka…. negara merdeka tapi rakyat tidak merdeka….'
That's right folks true Merdeka is when you are free of the clutches of the banks. Now, go figure out who controls the Malaysian retail banks.
Short of two all are controlled by the government/BN/UMNO.
'Rakyat Malaysia sampai mati berhutang… said,' is right. Malaysians are not MERDEKA yet.
RT, that is why so many people are pissed with the recent announcement on the NAP. After struggling for years to be free of the banks how many would want to take out another loan to buy a piece of steel unless one can comfortably make the monthly payments for the next 5-9 years. For most Malaysian paying for housing and car loans is a monthly struggle. Most of us if possible do not wish to live through the TORTURE of paying for bank loans.
RT, you do not live in the real world faced by many Malaysians. Just like the BN government who tell us to ubah cara hidup you do not seem to understand the hardships faced by MOST Malaysians.
Vincent Ang may have something there. Our G is trying hard to gain more advancement or improvement for M'sia. Yet, the rakyat are not. In fact, some rakyat are soo….heavily dependent on our G's incentives that they could not have survive on their own. Worse still, some of them are even unaware and complain still.
The problem with rakyat is that their thinking are too simple and narrow minded. Their thoughts are so easily influenced that they are oblivious to some truths.
For instance, I can't understand with some car buyers who would rather bear with a 9 year long loan repayment just to enjoy the car of their dreams. These are the kind of people who are considered, mati pun mau muka. When the G finally implements something like tax on luxuries, they also make noises.
On the other hand, our G is also another, everyday thinking of weird so-called solutions to problems the country faces. While I'm fine with the new policy on old cars inspection (even I have a '95 Wira), but the thought of the 'buayas' in these inspection firms that pisses me off. I meant, will the G ensure that these testers won't ask for under table money? There's a lot more to consider.
Cease import of recond cars and spareparts??Why?Takut kereta haram on road meh? Its true but whats PDRM doing? Every day tahan kereta ubahsuai ekzos saja just for lunch money. Useless buggers. The PDRM in Sarawaks are the most senseless. Makan duit besar besar. Everyday tahan kereta tinted gelap, modifikasi haram, ekzos besar/bising, tapi kereta diorang sendiri lagi lah hebat. I tell u guys one thing and its the truth as I've experienced such situation. These polis would visit workshops and ask for protection money!!!If you accept their services, you're also committed to service their own vehicles, and FOR FREE! Kedai kopi pun sama, they can makan and minum at kedai kopi for free!!!Everyday!!!
I'll say one thing, not to insult though, but the bumis should improve themselves in terms of financials and so on. don't go on war with your own fellow M'sian neighbors la…don't every day cina yg bertanggungjawab atas wabak wabak mcm SARS, JE, Swine FLu. Esp. the bumis in S'wak, everyday Cina Labuh (Chinese falls), Palak Cina (Chinese' head), Cina this Cina that, but one thing they fail to realize, they work for Chinese companies and yet towards end of month, they'd extend their hands to their Chinese bosses for loan. If they are so mad at Chinese, then be successful. Seriously, you are welcome to join the wealthy club. Stop spending salaries or loans on boozes. Chineses are also one thing la…they may be good in business tapi in local area only. Sekali mau venture out international, hah! Simple English word pun dah refer kamus. Sikit sikit pun dah gangster. Complain pun sama sama saja pandai but never have a broad picture. Only think for themselves.
There's a lot more to say but it doesn't mean that I'm the only right one in M'sia. Every fellow M'sians have their own thoughts and this is what this particular M'sian have to say.
I ask you fellow M'sians; apa macam nak jadi 1Malaysia mcm nih?
Kudos to Justice…well said! how to be 1malaysia?
1malaysia is nonsense
Program kami petang ini bukan hanya akan dihadiri oleh pemilik2 kereta klasik volkswagen sahaja tetapi akan dihadiri oleh pemilik2 kereta yang berusia lebih dari 15thn seperti toyota, kancil, proton dll. Program pada petang ini yang akan berlangsung di Restoran Qaseh Sec13 shah alam belakang tesco extra adalah bertujuan untuk menyerahkan memorandum bantahan serta memberi beberapa idea2 bernas yang mungkin dapat membantu pemilik2 kereta lama. Dengan ini diharap tuan2 dan puan2 yang memiliki kereta yang usianya melebihi 15thn dapat hadir bersama pada petang ini. Diharap kita sama2 boleh berkumpul serta meluahkan keluhan hati kita dan memberi pandangan dengan saluran yang betul, intelektual dan bukan hanya dengan memaki hamun di mana tidak akan memberi kesan apa2. Terima kasih. Jika terdapat sebarang pertanyaan sila hubungi Setiausaha Kelab Pemilik Kereta Klasik Volkswagen Selangor untuk pertanyaan lanjut. En.Indera (019-2865958). Sokongan anda semua akan kami hargai dan begitu juga dengan pemilik2 kereta yang berusia atas 15thn.
TheStoryTeller said,
November 5, 2009 @ 7:41 am
Program kami petang ini bukan hanya akan dihadiri oleh pemilik2 kereta klasik volkswagen sahaja tetapi akan dihadiri oleh pemilik2 kereta yang berusia lebih dari 15thn seperti toyota, kancil, proton dll. Program pada petang ini yang akan berlangsung di Restoran Qaseh Sec13 shah alam belakang tesco extra adalah bertujuan untuk menyerahkan memorandum bantahan serta memberi beberapa idea2 bernas yang mungkin dapat membantu pemilik2 kereta lama. Dengan ini diharap tuan2 dan puan2 yang memiliki kereta yang usianya melebihi 15thn dapat hadir bersama pada petang ini. Diharap kita sama2 boleh berkumpul serta meluahkan keluhan hati kita dan memberi pandangan dengan saluran yang betul, intelektual dan bukan hanya dengan memaki hamun di mana tidak akan memberi kesan apa2. Terima kasih. Jika terdapat sebarang pertanyaan sila hubungi Setiausaha Kelab Pemilik Kereta Klasik Volkswagen Selangor untuk pertanyaan lanjut. En.Indera (019-2865958). Sokongan anda semua akan kami hargai dan begitu juga dengan pemilik2 kereta yang berusia atas 15thn.
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sokong anda
ooohhhhh…its too bad for the rakyat…
hey guys…still want to vote the corrupts and robbers as our leader..??
common people….starts the campaign now….tell najib and be end that we rakyat say…..ENOUGH IS ENOUGH,STOP THAT NONSENSE NOW….!!!
vote for change in 2013…!!!
why still run Proton? pass a bill to pay those BN cronies an annual ransom out of our national budget … then dissolve Proton & remove car duty & excise…either way we're still paying, it makes no difference & no sense!
stupid la…
300 mil definitely not all going to be for the rakyat..
so into their pockets den dey get to buy all the good cars, the imports..all the car we can only dream of while we rakyat we be FORCED to buy proton..??
how bout those ppl up there go to work in Saga BLM..that i would like to see..
all those stuck up ppl drive wira the most..then only you can talk about what is best for the rakyat..
sume for their kepentingan sendiri..
What??? wanted to close all halfcuts?! yeahhh “great job!!” – thousands of ppls will loose their job…and ..what will happen next?? CRIME INCREASE!??