October 31, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

DSZ shd take time to answer some of the comments here. I wonder how he feels about being so-called ‘protected’…

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DSZ knows he's protected. And he likes it. I can't shake that smug look from his last TV interview about the NAP.

Previously, I wont mind buying a proton if they did make a good car. Now, I don't feel like I would want to buy a proton regardless after that interview.

October 30, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

lets see whether we can create a better policy than the G’s version..who knows maybe the G is listening and prepare to make amends.

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I'm sure the goverment is listening given the number of cybertroopers present here.

But the question is, is the government ready to change?

Please dont be naive to think the government actually cares for the public. They just want to be kept in office so they can contiue to benefit from the toils of the public.

October 30, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

"……………Tun M’s vision is right to have own car maker make cars, to generate own economy………………"

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U got to be kidding me…this is mamaktahik's shit we're cleaning now… our prob now, mamaktahik's son is messing with miti.. s**thole

October 31, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

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Can't find other nickname ehhh…..

what are his plans really…

how much time does he really need before they can compete on level ground with the other car makers…

what other things need to be in place for proton to succeed…

what is stopping Proton from succeeding…

and dont think abt the competition… just tell us what Proton needs.

1. PERODUA must provide 25-years warranty with free service and repairs, no question asked.

2. Dual airbags, ABS, immobiliser alarm with GPS tracking, V-Kool security tinted glass made mandatory standard PERODUA car accessory.

3. Free car replacement after 1 month trial period, no question asked.

4. PERODUA car loans interest factored only on selling price minus duty taxes (actual ex factory price). Do not double cheat.

Deal or no deal?

N A P – Never Against PERODUA! – Received and Downgrade

Just to repeat mine:

Well as cronism corruption never die, why don’t govt just set a limit of cars,suv, mpv below 2000cc petrol or diesel engines are all open market prices but above that range it’s all govt to slap any price to this ‘luxury’ cars. Slap RM1million for Merc C200 but RM40K for Toyota Vios or RM25K for Proton Saga.

Car buyers therefore have the right to demand from Proton in order to stop Proton getting away with easy life anymore:

1. Proton must provide 15-years warranty with free service and repairs, no question asked.

2. Dual airbags, ABS, immobiliser alarm with GPS tracking, V-Kool security tinted glass made mandatory standard Proton car accessory.

3. Free car replacement after 1 month trial period, no question asked.

4. Proton car loans interest factored only on selling price minus duty taxes (actual ex factory price). Do not double cheat.

Deal or no deal?

N A P – Never Against Proton!

Cheers..

I'm still curious which country you have visited that you still think so highly of Malaysia. Ghana, Zimbabwe? (I probably shouldn't insult them…..). Malaysia isn't the only country with "peace and stability". We could understand your statements more if you let us know what you are comparing to. Your comments unfortunately does not reflect a well travelled person. I do apologize for making the assumption though. But do tell.

I have lived and worked across the world, and yes, while there are higher taxes, and you do give up certain luxuries …like maids…. purchasing parity more than makes up for it. You have a higher standard of living no matter how you cut it.

As this is a topic on hybrids, since you are commenting in it, what sort of experience do you have with them?

I dare say I have driven and been driven in more hybrids than most people probably have seen in Malaysia from this forum. And being a horsepower junkie, I fail to really see the logic in them either if you are not running a taxi firm.

When I fail to see the logic when a hybrid cost basically almost the same as a normal car (after all that federal tax rebates/discounts etc), I surely don't see the logic when it cost this much more here.

Hybrids haven't taken off in Europe either. What makes the government think it would work in ASEAN?

And given the market and the tax structure of NAP, basically Paul isn't too convinced either.

Yes, a few cars.

More countries than you, obviously.

All d G needs to do is approve sales of better diesel standards

Think of it this way. SZ is actually doing a very good job at Proton. Only probem is and I'm going to quote what the MTEN guy said to me:

"Proton is still in infancy, so we need to protect. Other car makers have years ahead of us".

Second question that came to mind is how long is this "infancy" gonna be? Maybe cars age older than humans I guess. 20+yrs old human can get married start a family. 20+.Unfortunately, for cars, its not as simple as that. Car makers actually take a long long time to be successful. Even Korean cars started some 40 years ago making other items. This is one fair point to Proton.

But people are not patient. Technology changes fast. Same with cars. If you keep selling 15yr old perdana, then why people still buy it? Sometimes its not that the car is not good (though perdana has lots of manu defects which I can testify), but is just that people crave change. You don't expect a person to wear the same clothes 15yrs right even though he like the clothes so much.

If government really keen on Hybrid and green technology then next budget should focus more on introducing eletric or hydrogen pump centres but the volume of this kind of fuel is limited so not economically viable.

To summarise, what we actually have here is a blunder. Tun M's vision is right to have own car maker make cars, to generate own economy. Only problem is 1984 proton is a bit late considering Koreans had 20 years start. The blunder here comes when Proton which was doing well in the 1990s becames complacent like the rulling government and think that people will buy proton cars because its Made in Malaysia. Wrong. People now have very brand loyalty compared to 20 years ago. If blunder after blunder is not addressed, then the public will put off the brand for good and would not want to return to the brand. It may take some 5 years minimum for Proton to have brand value that is if they make cars people want to buy. Exora is going in the right direction. Anything less than this in future will be considered a blunder.

The government should stop helping proton. Helping breeds complacency! How much have proton progressed over soooooo many years?! Anyone bought proton for the brand's sake??? Because we Malaysian has no choice, not because proton is any good. Proton is way too inefficient under current management. They need a big CHANGE, or there goes our dear proton… There goes Malaysia's face. Make Malaysian proud of having a proton, or just get lost.

well said..

national cars are expensive..

they only 'looked' cheap bcuz all other imported cars were taxed damn high..

so, if they still wanna execute the policy..

i say, bring down the price of the national cars that was supposed to be for the local ppl!

and dont forget about the spareparts price too! since after this no more chop shops, no more fake parts..all must be OEM right?

pehh..even proton (other national makes also) parts also will eat u up if sumtin bad happens to ur car..

Ian :

current saga's price is equal to mazda 3 without tax…??

damnit!!

whoever got brain sure get so pissed off man..

nak tax, tax laa..tapi jgn la cekik sampai mcm tu..

pecah jugak perut buncit tu nnti byk mkn duit haram..

sighs..

October 29, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

ei? what happen to the pro-proton?

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After seeing that the price of their Proton Saga (new) can also buy a 2-litre Mazda Axela (a.k.a. Mazda 3), they sudah diam-diam, hide in one corner and cover their face.

October 29, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

Is it time to consider migrating to Vietnam? They might overtake us too one day.

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They will.

u got a very good point there….

October 29, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

squawk said,

October 29, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Yes, our tax system seems biased. Weren’t we told that one of the reasons car import duties were high is that it’s used to help subsidize our petrol? So now they want to float petrol price yet maintain high duties on cars?

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if you calculate it properly, the money collected through the duties would be more than sufficient to subsidize our petrol for 250 years

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Even if it only subsidizes us for 100 years, it just shows you how much leakage there is in our "system".

Plant forest = Environment Caring

So end up forest reserve clear cut to plant rubber tree "forest".

Round of applause gents and ladies.

Do you think gov's "concern" about environmental is genuine? Or they are more genuine in boosting new car sales?

Have you traveled to other countries? If yes, which one?

And seriously, what cheap China car do you mean? Why is it a better choice then Proton? Is it cheaper then Proton?

Do you even own a car to begin with?

Have you been living under a stone?

this is where a strong opposition is needed to put a check on the government, the current govt knows what to do and the world knows who they are and how they react to the economy,

a good and strong opposition acts as a balancer and a checker to see whether all the policies passed in the Dewan are carried out or while its being mentioned in the reading it is argued extensively.

Mind you folks, we are still a developing country, we are no where near the mentality spectrum or the economies of scale of a developed country, a change in govt is rather detrimental to us rather then benefit from it. People should realise this rather than pushing for a new govt. Everyone wants to move forward together, at the moment the only things that is going to happen is for the opposition to get their acts together and put a total check on the system and not bicker on who should be in power or shouldn't.

Hope you folks understand with a better perspective.

bashing the bashers isnt going to help.

enough about how great and lovely about our country is, we all know we are no longer better than ghana! so there!

other countries have a choice in the cars they can buy and truly value for money! and our cost of living is not getting any cheaper in spite of our expensive cars and petrol and tolls.

we just pay thru the nose for milo tins and 4 wheels.

our public transport is 4th world. and now petrol is no longer cheap which used to offset the high cost of owning a car, so who dies in the end?

unless, you are so rich to be unaffected by all this, the man in the street will suffer and the economy will suffer because they would have no money to spend on other things.

the status quo only enriches those connected to bn, impoverishes the rakyat and does nothing to advance the car industry or reallocate efficiently resources.

a change of govt may facilitate a review of these half past 6, crony driven policies. i am all for that! car prices are just one of the straws on this bn camel's back.