Comments on: Italdesign-Giugiaro hired for Persona Replacement http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 27 May 2012 09:24:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: orengen2 http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-296806 orengen2 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:00:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-296806 Masalah P1 bukan pd design, tapi pada kualiti...tp ini satu usaha yang baik. Masalah P1 bukan pd design, tapi pada kualiti…tp ini satu usaha yang baik.

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]]> By: CicitDato' Baha http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-287057 CicitDato' Baha Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:09:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-287057 Sounds good.........! But the cost very high.... Come lah Tuan Syed....low down ur cost first before think to heading Italy Design. Don't follow ur x- mamat.... siWak Kisai & Wak Kzaman Those 2 fellow ....Ngabeh kan boreh ajo......!!!! Sounds good………! But the cost very high….

Come lah Tuan Syed….low down ur cost first before think to heading Italy Design. Don't follow ur x- mamat…. siWak Kisai & Wak Kzaman

Those 2 fellow ….Ngabeh kan boreh ajo……!!!!

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]]> By: linear_system http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-285972 linear_system Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:11:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-285972 stupid elvis..hahaha..he only knows thing after searched in goole.haha stupid elvis..hahaha..he only knows thing after searched in goole.haha

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]]> By: razlan http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-285432 razlan Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:44:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-285432 Its obvious that many comments are from people who know little about car manufacuring, be it in designing and engineering.Italdesign is teh foremost designer in designing and engineering of mass production cars unlike Pinifarina or Bertone which basically designing for low production sport cars such as Ferrari.Just visit Italdesign website would tell how successful they have been in designing mass production cars from Hyundai Pony, VW Golf, Daewoo/Chrsyler cars to latest such as FIAT Grande Punto.Please also note that the best selling cars in Malaysia such as Myvi and Viva was also designed by Italdesign.And as to misconception of Malaysia Boleh, even Toyota go to Italdesign for all their Lexus cars and also Camry. Need more be said of whether PROTON making good decision to go to Italdesign for their new models? Its obvious that many comments are from people who know little about car manufacuring, be it in designing and engineering.Italdesign is teh foremost designer in designing and engineering of mass production cars unlike Pinifarina or Bertone which basically designing for low production sport cars such as Ferrari.Just visit Italdesign website would tell how successful they have been in designing mass production cars from Hyundai Pony, VW Golf, Daewoo/Chrsyler cars to latest such as FIAT Grande Punto.Please also note that the best selling cars in Malaysia such as Myvi and Viva was also designed by Italdesign.And as to misconception of Malaysia Boleh, even Toyota go to Italdesign for all their Lexus cars and also Camry. Need more be said of whether PROTON making good decision to go to Italdesign for their new models?

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]]> By: Dingo http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-274012 Dingo Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:39:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-274012 Proton's priority should be (1) Build quality (2) Reliability (3) Looks Let's face it, current generation of Protons don't look bad at all, it's the build quality and reliability that earn the irk of the consumers. Proton's priority should be

(1) Build quality

(2) Reliability

(3) Looks

Let's face it, current generation of Protons don't look bad at all, it's the build quality and reliability that earn the irk of the consumers.

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]]> By: waimak http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273833 waimak Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:30:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273833 chianti said, November 10, 2009 @ 2:49 am waimak said, November 9, 2009 @ 10:36 pm Great news Paul! I have a lot to say but I’ll try to simplify it.. 1. I think Proton got it right this time, congrats. But it doesn’t stop here.. Like old proverb, try to shoot for the star, in all aspects, and the rest gets right, mostly if not all.. ———————————————————— Don’t jump the gun !! All still at drawing board stages. Secondly this all translate to cost. At the end of the day are we prepared to pay more for it? What kinda proverb is this? It displays the short sightedness and with no contingency plans. The “rest gets right”, is like saying god willing/keep your fingers crossed/touch wood -all will be ok. ———————————————————— Bro, Chill. Looks like you never made any planning in your life. My proverb might be wrong. When I said shoot the star it means aim high. When you aim high chances are you will most likely achieve your goal. The "rest will be ok" means chain of action. The planning? (and what not) That goes without saying la bro! chianti said,

November 10, 2009 @ 2:49 am

waimak said,

November 9, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

Great news Paul! I have a lot to say but I’ll try to simplify it..

1. I think Proton got it right this time, congrats. But it doesn’t stop here.. Like old proverb, try to shoot for the star, in all aspects, and the rest gets right, mostly if not all..

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Don’t jump the gun !! All still at drawing board stages.

Secondly this all translate to cost. At the end of the day

are we prepared to pay more for it?

What kinda proverb is this? It displays the short sightedness and

with no contingency plans. The “rest gets right”, is like saying god willing/keep your fingers crossed/touch wood -all will be ok.

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Bro,

Chill. Looks like you never made any planning in your life. My proverb might be wrong. When I said shoot the star it means aim high. When you aim high chances are you will most likely achieve your goal. The "rest will be ok" means chain of action. The planning? (and what not) That goes without saying la bro!

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]]> By: fique D http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273642 fique D Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:17:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273642 Nice... that's the way Proton... even ferrari do the same... hope the outcome wont be 2 euro.. Nice…
that's the way Proton…
even ferrari do the same…
hope the outcome wont be 2 euro..

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]]> By: autojohndoe http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273583 autojohndoe Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:35:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273583 Mr Ad, When Proton do something by themselves, ppl asked them to get the pro/others to do it... so... they go for it... where is the statement that saying proton pay the italian with taxpayer money? anywhere for me to refer? Thanks in advance if you can provide the document. regards. Mr Ad,

When Proton do something by themselves, ppl asked them to get the pro/others to do it… so… they go for it…

where is the statement that saying proton pay the italian with taxpayer money? anywhere for me to refer?

Thanks in advance if you can provide the document.

regards.

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]]> By: autojohndoe http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273581 autojohndoe Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:23:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273581 Elvis, so desperate eh? Call me idiot... but, it never change how desperate you are to see that crap vanish from your eyes... Haha... Ppl will not curse for nothing... there must be always something... share with us... need attention like the LATE Elvis? Haha... Elvis, so desperate eh?

Call me idiot… but, it never change how desperate you are to see that crap vanish from your eyes…

Haha…

Ppl will not curse for nothing… there must be always something… share with us… need attention like the LATE Elvis?

Haha…

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]]> By: Ad http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273557 Ad Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:02:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273557 So they take our money to pay someone else from another country to do the job instead of themselves doing it. Clever. So they take our money to pay someone else from another country to do the job instead of themselves doing it. Clever.

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]]> By: MADBOY http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273525 MADBOY Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:41:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273525 Elvis said, November 11, 2009 @ 3:04 pm Madboy…i think you dont understanding the word CREDIBILITY. You lost credibility when you promise something but you flip-flop. Example current MCA president said he will resign even with single majority on resolutions. Well, we all know the story…now that’s losting credibility. ------------ have you ever meet a person that trying to convince you using some big words. You will then question all the facts that he give. This is another way you lost your credibility. Elvis said,
November 11, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

Madboy…i think you dont understanding the word CREDIBILITY. You lost credibility when you promise something but you flip-flop. Example current MCA president said he will resign even with single majority on resolutions. Well, we all know the story…now that’s losting credibility.
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have you ever meet a person that trying to convince you using some big words. You will then question all the facts that he give. This is another way you lost your credibility.

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]]> By: tokmoh http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273430 tokmoh Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:34:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273430 anonymous : Yes, yes valid points. Then perhaps you also need to use the word "all" more carefully. "If it's all about..." can be understood as "everything else doesn't matter. Fullstop". You perhaps can learn "mainly attributed to...", "mostly thanks to...", "credited to its..." et cetera. anonymous : Yes, yes valid points. Then perhaps you also need to use the word "all" more carefully. "If it's all about…" can be understood as "everything else doesn't matter. Fullstop". You perhaps can learn "mainly attributed to…", "mostly thanks to…", "credited to its…" et cetera.

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]]> By: Elvis http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273358 Elvis Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:50:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273358 Hahaha...another idiot...autojohndoe...did i say i want cheap car? I said Proton is a crap...sell expensive pun still crap....and another bro said that NAP exist long time oledi and i didnt do research....well..turn out he is another idiot...and another idiot think that just because i use the word almighty, lose credibility...tell u what guys, if you want to bash me, backup with facts...i respect those really champion bashers not some idiot trying to simply bash. Nanti malu besar only.... Hahaha…another idiot…autojohndoe…did i say i want cheap car? I said Proton is a crap…sell expensive pun still crap….and another bro said that NAP exist long time oledi and i didnt do research….well..turn out he is another idiot…and another idiot think that just because i use the word almighty, lose credibility…tell u what guys, if you want to bash me, backup with facts…i respect those really champion bashers not some idiot trying to simply bash. Nanti malu besar only….

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]]> By: anonymous http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273350 anonymous Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:22:22 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273350 okmoh said, November 11, 2009 @ 12:14 am anoneemus : First u implied the importance of having a good engine when u said campro is shitty by your standard. Then, suddenly “it’s all about design n handling”, then engine leh? _______________________________________________________________________ Your concept of contradiction is wrong, contradiction in this example means if i said the whole car was shit but then i said its a good car after all engine,design and handling wise. its two separate topics, design and handling is topic number 1 engines is topic number 2. please learn how to categorise the arguments. like i said before design and handling has nothing to do with the engine, does the engine go faster with a better design? does the handling improve with the engine? you'll know the answer to that. chassis, suspensions, curves of the car and all that has no connection at all to the engine. conjunction words my friend learn it, "the design and handling is good BUT the engines are shit" BUT is what separates those two sentences (conjunction) making these two topics differ from each other. therefore read and understand the point at hand and learn to separate sentences before posting a comment on contradiction okmoh said,

November 11, 2009 @ 12:14 am

anoneemus : First u implied the importance of having a good engine when u said campro is shitty by your standard. Then, suddenly “it’s all about design n handling”, then engine leh?

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Your concept of contradiction is wrong, contradiction in this example means if i said the whole car was shit but then i said its a good car after all engine,design and handling wise. its two separate topics, design and handling is topic number 1 engines is topic number 2. please learn how to categorise the arguments. like i said before design and handling has nothing to do with the engine, does the engine go faster with a better design? does the handling improve with the engine? you'll know the answer to that. chassis, suspensions, curves of the car and all that has no connection at all to the engine. conjunction words my friend learn it, "the design and handling is good BUT the engines are shit" BUT is what separates those two sentences (conjunction) making these two topics differ from each other. therefore read and understand the point at hand and learn to separate sentences before posting a comment on contradiction

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]]> By: Elvis http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273348 Elvis Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:04:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273348 Madboy...i think you dont understanding the word CREDIBILITY. You lost credibility when you promise something but you flip-flop. Example current MCA president said he will resign even with single majority on resolutions. Well, we all know the story...now that's losting credibility. Madboy…i think you dont understanding the word CREDIBILITY. You lost credibility when you promise something but you flip-flop. Example current MCA president said he will resign even with single majority on resolutions. Well, we all know the story…now that's losting credibility.

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]]> By: autojohndoe http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273329 autojohndoe Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:55:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273329 Elvis, so desperate eh? haha... Keep bashing bro... Live in reality, man... wanna cheap car... live in Langkawi or Labuan... No need to live malaysia... or apply for BOC... :) Elvis, so desperate eh?

haha… Keep bashing bro…

Live in reality, man… wanna cheap car… live in Langkawi or Labuan… No need to live malaysia… or apply for BOC… :)

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]]> By: squawk http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273327 squawk Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:34:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273327 Slightly off topic but I like the Peugeot hybrid (can't remember the model) where a diesel drives the front wheels and each rear wheel has a separate attached electric motor. Imagine how efficient that is! Diesel is already giving good mileage and if both the rear motors run with the diesel, you get a fuel efficient 4WD! But too bad our diesel standards is still below standard. Slightly off topic but I like the Peugeot hybrid (can't remember the model) where a diesel drives the front wheels and each rear wheel has a separate attached electric motor. Imagine how efficient that is! Diesel is already giving good mileage and if both the rear motors run with the diesel, you get a fuel efficient 4WD!

But too bad our diesel standards is still below standard.

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]]> By: Prismo http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273293 Prismo Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:06:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273293 that's what i'll say... "a clever move by Proton"... that's what i'll say… "a clever move by Proton"…

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]]> By: Gizm0s http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273277 Gizm0s Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:11:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273277 Finally... v seen light in the dark tunnel... hope to see more of the reult Finally… v seen light in the dark tunnel… hope to see more of the reult

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]]> By: MADBOY http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273275 MADBOY Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:57:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273275 Elvis said, November 10, 2009 @ 11:16 pm ....almighty ME…hahahaha… ---------------- this word make you lost your credibility. Elvis said,
November 10, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

….almighty ME…hahahaha…
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this word make you lost your credibility.

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]]> By: Kambing Laut http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273266 Kambing Laut Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:35:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273266 I guess, what Proton will achieve after 5 years from now. They work very hard today for future. Something amazing will happen Dont buy a car because you pity with it, but buy when its worth for money. I guess, what Proton will achieve after 5 years from now.

They work very hard today for future.

Something amazing will happen

Dont buy a car because you pity with it, but buy when its worth for money.

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]]> By: Eyesore http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273263 Eyesore Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:25:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273263 Elvis... i think it's not about Malaysia not allowing Holden to sell their car here.. it's more about Holden have no plan to sell their car in Malaysia or No Malaysian Company wants to be their distributor here... maybe u should apply to be their distributor here... let see what will happen... Elvis… i think it's not about Malaysia not allowing Holden to sell their car here.. it's more about Holden have no plan to sell their car in Malaysia or No Malaysian Company wants to be their distributor here… maybe u should apply to be their distributor here… let see what will happen…

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]]> By: Azlan http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273234 Azlan Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:52:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273234 good attempt good attempt

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]]> By: maa http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273215 maa Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:39:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273215 I wonder what it look like..seeing in my dreams lol.. I wonder what it look like..seeing in my dreams lol..

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]]> By: tokmoh http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273211 tokmoh Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:14:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273211 <b>anoneemus :</b> First u implied the importance of having a good engine when u said campro is shitty by your standard. Then, suddenly "it's all about design n handling", then engine leh? Speaking of engine and what-happened-to-blablabla, I really wonder what happened to Petronas engine that was sold to some Chinese car manufacturer? Last time bash proton not taking that engine, but after so many years of being used in some Chinese car, nay. Zero. Kosong. It's as if Petronas never built an engine at all. Or... I am missing something? anoneemus : First u implied the importance of having a good engine when u said campro is shitty by your standard. Then, suddenly "it's all about design n handling", then engine leh?

Speaking of engine and what-happened-to-blablabla, I really wonder what happened to Petronas engine that was sold to some Chinese car manufacturer? Last time bash proton not taking that engine, but after so many years of being used in some Chinese car, nay. Zero. Kosong. It's as if Petronas never built an engine at all. Or… I am missing something?

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]]> By: tansri http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273203 tansri Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:50:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273203 proton still need to merge!! proton still need to merge!!

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]]> By: Elvis http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273192 Elvis Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:16:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273192 Hahahaha...Bro ??? maybe you are confuse. Yupp, i know what NAP is and WHEN it is created. During 2005, our Dr M so angry wit Rafidah Aziz coz giving so many APs to her best friends(Naza become big because of her). So NAP was set to control Rafidah AP frenzy. Because of Rafidah Aziz, Proton almost when bankrupt. If you think i am stupid, i affect your idiot opinion, but do remember that RAFIDAH AZIZ single handedly brought Proton to Chapter 11. So my friend, i know the history, i think you should do research before bashing me...you are shallow in knowledge compare to almighty ME...hahahaha... Hahahaha…Bro ??? maybe you are confuse. Yupp, i know what NAP is and WHEN it is created. During 2005, our Dr M so angry wit Rafidah Aziz coz giving so many APs to her best friends(Naza become big because of her). So NAP was set to control Rafidah AP frenzy. Because of Rafidah Aziz, Proton almost when bankrupt. If you think i am stupid, i affect your idiot opinion, but do remember that RAFIDAH AZIZ single handedly brought Proton to Chapter 11. So my friend, i know the history, i think you should do research before bashing me…you are shallow in knowledge compare to almighty ME…hahahaha…

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]]> By: Tiadaid http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273187 Tiadaid Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:29:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273187 ??? said, November 10, 2009 @ 9:01 pm i hav interesting new when browsing wiki <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Genesis" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Genesis</a> South Korea A full production version went on sale on January 8, 2008 in Hyundai’s home market of South Korea[citation needed]. Notably, the Korean market Genesis does not carry a Hyundai badge, only the ‘Genesis’ emblem. The Korean model is available with a 3.3L V6 producing 264 horsepower (197 kW), and a 3.8L V6 producing 306 horsepower (228 kW). Hyundai has come under criticism from Korean consumers over the price discrepancy between the US and Korean markets. Yonhap reports the Genesis costs “58.3 million won (US$57,000) in Korea, whereas in the U.S. it sells for $32,000.” This has led to a growing market in reimported Genesises by gray market dealers. Korean regulators are currently investigating whether Hyundai has abused its 75% domestic market share. ----------- That'll dispel the argument about Proton car being cheaper overseas... ??? said,

November 10, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

i hav interesting new when browsing wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Genesis

South Korea

A full production version went on sale on January 8, 2008 in Hyundai’s home market of South Korea[citation needed]. Notably, the Korean market Genesis does not carry a Hyundai badge, only the ‘Genesis’ emblem.

The Korean model is available with a 3.3L V6 producing 264 horsepower (197 kW), and a 3.8L V6 producing 306 horsepower (228 kW).

Hyundai has come under criticism from Korean consumers over the price discrepancy between the US and Korean markets. Yonhap reports the Genesis costs “58.3 million won (US$57,000) in Korea, whereas in the U.S. it sells for $32,000.” This has led to a growing market in reimported Genesises by gray market dealers. Korean regulators are currently investigating whether Hyundai has abused its 75% domestic market share.

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That'll dispel the argument about Proton car being cheaper overseas…

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]]> By: theking http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273173 theking Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:16:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273173 Elvis, Keep on dreaming! Elvis,

Keep on dreaming!

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]]> By: ??? http://paultan.org/2009/11/09/italdesign-giugiaro-hired-for-persona-replacement/#comment-273171 ??? Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:05:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=17328#comment-273171 hyundai alone control 75%..like proton way back....80% control now emm... hyundai alone control 75%..like proton way back….80% control now emm…

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