I have just booked a car n waiting for the car to be delivered nxt month!
Please help to verify this matter as it would be a great and huge lost for me in just two month!!!

how true are your statements?

i thought our fuel which we extract in malaysia are actually exported and the fuel we use are imported? our fuel is high grade hence it is exported. we still have to follow the world price as we import lousy fuel for our lousy cars.

We pay road tax. But this money isn’t being used to build our highways. It’s privatised and we still end up paying at toll gates.

We pay for car duty buying imported vehicles to keep local car makers alive. But this money isn’t used to subsidise those cars. P2 and P1 are still charging very high margins. So in effect car tax is being used to artificially keep local manufacturers margins high. And for what? To develop our labour force? What can they do after so long being exposed to foreign technologies? Are we making our own engines?

Now G is pulling our petrol ’subsidy’

Erm – isn’t the oil ours?

Here’s the thing. The subsidy is an on paper figure. It’s basically the income they are not getting from selling below world price. But we’re not buying fuel from the world market. That damned petrol we dug out ourselves within our own borders. Price for fuel is what we want it to be. The term subsidy shouldn’t even be applicable. Fact on fact – prices of petrol for Malaysians is the cost price of extracting said fuel which I’m willing to bet my EPF is NOT above 1.80 per litre. So what are they subsidising? Nothing. That number is the income not made from selling oil to Malaysians instead of to USA or China.

Seriously – Do any of us have a problem with selling oil cheap for own consumption? Ofcourse No.

Petronas might not like it. And so wouldn’t the G since they’re living off on Petronas’ profits ( for F1 rights and sponsorship etc. )

But hey – extracting and selling that oil is a priviledge endowed by us to them. If the cost price for producing Malaysian petrol is 1.10 / ltr then that should be the selling price. There is no subsidy. It’s high time we wise up and stop using that term when talking about Malaysian oil.

imagine. if they lift the taxes on imported cars.

a vios would cost approx 58000 and proton persona costs 52000. do you think their cars would sell?

Perdana costs around 100k and camry 2.4 would cost around that region. same price, much much MUCH more spec. higher quality better engine and very reliable. do you think Perdana can still sell (gear box problem anyone)?

Tata would bring in their car which cost 10k. toyota will bring in the Passo which is 40k. who would buy PERODUA?

There’s no way the government is going to lower the car prices. thats because proton and perodua are protected (allowing them to make ridiculous amount of profit margin).

Then your account as an eligible citizen to receive subsidized fuel will be created and the account will be linked to a credit card or a type of payment card that will be accepted at the pump (maybe more than one credit card to avoid issue when u readch credit card limit etc.) . You will use this card(s) to purchase the fuel. You can lend this card to other people if you want but I am sure you dont really want to do that. Morevoer, I heard that there will be a limit ( monthly) imposed on the amount of subsidized fuel you can buy, so you cannot really abuse the system. Once you reach the limit, you have to buy at market price.

Yes you can still abuse (sell) the unused portion of your quota but I think this is negligible to the government.

But this is only something I heard… maybe not true … but I think its workable.

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your tip sounds really workable and i think if its implemented, it seems like a real brilliant idea.

most ppl will question the quota but it really helps deter waste.

Update us on the tip!

3S – Sick, Sad, and Sign…

According to some trusted source, the MyKad will be used only for registration.

Then your account as an eligible citizen to receive subsidized fuel will be created and the account will be linked to a credit card or a type of payment card that will be accepted at the pump (maybe more than one credit card to avoid issue when u readch credit card limit etc.) . You will use this card(s) to purchase the fuel. You can lend this card to other people if you want but I am sure you dont really want to do that. Morevoer, I heard that there will be a limit ( monthly) imposed on the amount of subsidized fuel you can buy, so you cannot really abuse the system. Once you reach the limit, you have to buy at market price.

Yes you can still abuse (sell) the unused portion of your quota but I think this is negligible to the government.

But this is only something I heard… maybe not true … but I think its workable..

blah bla bla…

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I did not refer to kaya people in all of my statements. I meant middle income earners who would suffer. That’s why they are called middle. Rich people can even drink fuel if they want.

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k??z said,

November 18, 2009 @ 10:36 am

painsama said,
November 18, 2009 @ 12:42 am

ngyahloon said,

fair enough, all of us have been enjoying subsidized fuel since time immemorial. It’s about time we face up to reality like the rest of the world. Hope the new system wont be abused and let the deserving people get the subsidy.

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It will be abused. No doubt about it.

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i think u r the1 will abuse it…..how can we abuse if people like u give ur mykad to some else….n 1 thing i can summarize…rich people r jahat n corrupt cause they r the one who pay high price not the low income people rite. so who will be the abuser..rich people la

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Even diesel subsidy is well known to be abused, this one is the next. And again I didn’t mean rich people. I meant MIDDLE INCOME EARNERS “a group that like its namesake are constantly squeezed around the world.” As this group has to pay tax, higher fuel price and etc, in the end they will end up just like low income earners, no different. If you want to get envious, just envy those rich bastards, not middle income earners.

November 17, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Cara ni memang bagus sbb rkyt jiran mesti kena bayar lebih. Tapi sistem ni ada persoalan:

1. MyKad selalu rosak. Kalau rosak, mesti bayar lebih!
2. Kecurian identiti selalu berlaku sbb nak rebut sussidi minyak.
3. Cammana dgn org pedalaman yg x ada mykad? Mereka akan dianaktirikan!
4 Harap teknologi bagus, Tapi boleh kalah dgn negara maju mcm jepun! Teknologi konon!!!

Takkanlah PM suruh rkyt kita naik kereta lembu dgn kereta gajah!!!!!!! LIKE HELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goverment nak sedut duit drpd rakyat, sbb tu lah depa buat mcm2 bg batu atas kepala rkyt!!!!!

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sedot duit org kaya maa…..not us only kaya people.. kaya people kete lembu miskin org proton maa..yea!!!!!

ngyahloon said,

fair enough, all of us have been enjoying subsidized fuel since time immemorial. It’s about time we face up to reality like the rest of the world. Hope the new system wont be abused and let the deserving people get the subsidy.

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It will be abused. No doubt about it.

By the way what’s the point of removing the subsidy while car prices in this 1Malaysia land are astronomical in comparison to the rest of the world. It won’t make a fair relative comparison, while the rest of the world are enjoying something that are far fetched to us 1Malaysians when it comes to things related to cars. We’re also “enjoying” “fairly priced” road tax and auto insurance. To make a relative and fair comparison of mean fuel prices between different countries, please take into account the car prices, cost of keeping cars, availability of good transportation, per capita income etc. Don’t just make a statement just for the sake of making a statement, and for that matter just because you can afford it. There are plenty of reasons why Malaysia should keep the fuel price low and why we Malaysians should enjoy such privilege, that would be snatched by our so called rakyat didahulukan gov very soon.

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i think u r the1 will abuse it…..how can we abuse if people like u give ur mykad to some else….n 1 thing i can summarize…rich people r jahat n corrupt cause they r the one who pay high price not the low income people rite. so who will be the abuser..rich people la

>> FYI i make less then the malaysian median, so you are the bag of nonsense people are talking about everyday

>>It’s like an Adidas shoe, you make more, you buy top range (or the shoe itself), you make less you buy something else. In the petrol sense, public transport for those who cannot afford fuel.
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Ever take public transport to work everyday? You’re day dreaming.
>> i used to take 2 buses and 1 lrt to work everyday. in shirt and tie. please, do not assume if you do not know nothing. and only want to be helped everyday.

>>At market prices, our petrol would cost around RM 3. It just means that, everyone will start driving less, and indirectly saving the planet. And the government can do something else with the money (scholarships).
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I doubt so.

>> there’d be less Mat rempit as well, because even if they race but they cannot afford to have gas

>>Malaysian have always been the subsidised people. we should learn that walking on your own is respected.
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Then we don’t need government. Just live on your own in the jungle.

>> you talk like as if you are the shallowest california turd roll. no government means you guys would be running around in diapers. the government is there to help the people but fuel doesnt seem to be the area for them to invest ‘our’ money.

education, research and infrastructure (public transport, mind you)

November 17, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Cara ni memang bagus sbb rkyt jiran mesti kena bayar lebih. Tapi sistem ni ada persoalan:

1. MyKad selalu rosak. Kalau rosak, mesti bayar lebih!
2. Kecurian identiti selalu berlaku sbb nak rebut sussidi minyak.
3. Cammana dgn org pedalaman yg x ada mykad? Mereka akan dianaktirikan!
4 Harap teknologi bagus, Tapi boleh kalah dgn negara maju mcm jepun! Teknologi konon!!!

Takkanlah PM suruh rkyt kita naik kereta lembu dgn kereta gajah!!!!!!! LIKE HELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goverment nak sedut duit drpd rakyat, sbb tu lah depa buat mcm2 bg batu atas kepala rkyt!!!!!

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1. myKad always broken? i have ATM cards in my wallet and i use them average 2 times per months and been using the very same ATM cards for many years. myKad is more quality than ATM car, if my ATM cards don’t broken, why must myKad can broken? unless if you are non-tidy type of person.

2. you can cheat people if you duplicate someone else myKad and they have to verified the authenticity of the cad with bare eye, but using machine which is linked to the JPN i don’t think you can cheat. even if got, the number is very minimal. remember majority of malaysians will get benefits instead of the minority and isolated cases.

3. malaysians must have myKad, if those pedalaman people don’t have myKad, its the time for them to have one. some more the very pedalaman people who don’t have myKad not even bother about having cars not even motorcycle cos they live in the jungle, somo more like what you said they riding lembu only. if they have problem to apply myKad, this normally happen because their nationality is questioned like in sabah especially and this case also doesn’t represent the majority.

4. malaysians technologies never beating the japanese since day one. but i know some develop nation using one card for almost everything such as ATM card that can be use to pay busses, trains, theme parks fares, etc. why can’t malaysians?

please re-think back what you have said, people can judge you mentality level base on your posting.

>>Removing the subsidy is actually a good thing. it will teach everyone to learn how to be more careful when spending. and it is FAIR for everyone irregardless of their earnings.
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Just because you make more that your cohorts, you can make such nonsense statement.

>>It’s like an Adidas shoe, you make more, you buy top range (or the shoe itself), you make less you buy something else. In the petrol sense, public transport for those who cannot afford fuel.
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Ever take public transport to work everyday? You’re day dreaming.

>>At market prices, our petrol would cost around RM 3. It just mean that, everyone will start driving less, and indirectly saving the planet. And the government can do something else with the money (scholarships).
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I doubt so.

>>Malaysian have always been the subsidised people. we should learn that walking on your own is respected.
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Then we don’t need government. Just live on your own in the jungle.

fair enough, all of us have been enjoying subsidized fuel since time immemorial. It’s about time we face up to reality like the rest of the world. Hope the new system wont be abused and let the deserving people get the subsidy.

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It will be abused. No doubt about it.

By the way what’s the point of removing the subsidy while car prices in this 1Malaysia land are astronomical in comparison to the rest of the world. It won’t make a fair relative comparison, while the rest of the world are enjoying something that are far fetched to us 1Malaysians when it comes to things related to cars. We’re also “enjoying” “fairly priced” road tax and auto insurance. To make a relative and fair comparison of mean fuel prices between different countries, please take into account the car prices, cost of keeping cars, availability of good transportation, per capita income etc. Don’t just make a statement just for the sake of making a statement, and for that matter just because you can afford it. There are plenty of reasons why Malaysia should keep the fuel price low and why we Malaysians should enjoy such privilege, that would be snatched by our so called rakyat didahulukan gov very soon.

if feel unhappy wif G? don vote them in election will do

1. MyKad selalu rosak. Kalau rosak, mesti bayar lebih!
2. Kecurian identiti selalu berlaku sbb nak rebut sussidi minyak.
3. Cammana dgn org pedalaman yg x ada mykad? Mereka akan dianaktirikan!
4 Harap teknologi bagus, Tapi boleh kalah dgn negara maju mcm jepun! Teknologi konon!!!

Takkanlah PM suruh rkyt kita naik kereta lembu dgn kereta gajah!!!!!!! LIKE HELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goverment nak sedut duit drpd rakyat, sbb tu lah depa buat mcm2 bg batu atas kepala rkyt!!!!!

Another area is the road tax. To promote a greener environment, the road tax for small engine vehicles(maybe 2 liter and below) should be reduce or just maintain it at current levels, while the road tax for vehicles 2 liters above should be raised significantly.
For example – 3 liter engine pay 3 times more than current, 4 liter pay 4 times more etc etc.

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Why stick to the old mindset of these c.c. based tax? A 5000 cc car sitting in the garage emits less pollution than a 660 cc car running 1000 km per day. A 1800 cc Merceded Kompressor costs more than a 2400 cc Camry.

Tax should be based on consumption, so a more fuel-efficient car should be taxed less than a comparable car that guzzles more fuel per kilometer.

What we need is a real-world price fuel and car. Car tax should be based on price, not cc. As for fuel, use more, pay more.

We are too deep in the mud, and getting deeper.

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A taxation on the car price may not be a good idea as the car prices in this country are artificially high.
A higher priced car doesn’t mean it will consume more fuel. A bigger engine would consume more fuel in general.