alza pon ok gak lah..

exora pon ok lah

kowang rse alza sesuai ke atau exora?

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Automotive_critics : Well, by now, I suppose u should understand that whether there is button or not, the gearbox works the same: 3 speed with 1 overdrive. Anyway, Proton uses Mitsubishi gearbox, INVECS-II at that, it isn't a really outdated gearbox. The latest Lancer 8th gen (which might be rebadged as waja replacement next year) uses it too in Singapore (1.5L spec, source: wikipedia), so do u still call it outdated?

In any case, 360 mentioned before of Proton using German gearbox in the future, so that should put your worry of Proton using outdated gearbox worry behind.

Owning Proton does not automatically mean one's a pro-proton. There are many bashers who used to own proton, got dissatisfied with it and become emotards in blogs n forums. I think some have even migrated, and still become emotards telling how good their life is in overseas driving Toyota Camry for the price of teh tarik in Msia, while sneering at us for getting sodomised by the 'barisan najis' govt.

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exora mpv..alza 2 keta ala mpv..mmg la jauh beza.dah kelas lain2..compare buat apa?..bongok ke apa..

Julian Lee..go 2 your dad…F*** with him…in Exora of course…

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- Powerful 1.6 vs Dvvt 1.5 (not powerful but FC better but can that carry the body?)

- Spacious vs not so spacious (Do people buy mpv not for spacious?)

- Crash test proved (with videos!) vs Aiyah!.. just use that tipu one from Sette loo… malaysian toyota fan easy to be cheated with p2!

- Totally build/designed by Malaysian in Malaysia vs bumper design only.

- Money circle in Malaysia vs Money fly to japan millions per year (how to get the money back? selling 10billion metric tone of Crude palm oil? Dreaming!)

the clear winner is…. Proton.

To hate it or to love it, it's getting better now.

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November 20, 2009 @ 6:45 am

Bro, if i denied to give assumption, so you must also not assume me for anti proton. And why you don’t have proton? if you’re Malaysian, you must have proton at least to show your support to our country. If buy proton, money will stay inside country and enable proton employee serve their family food, schooling, medical bill etc2. If you’re agree, can i assume you for anti Malaysian becoz you don’t have Proton? Sure can’t.

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Well thats fine… u can assume me of being anything.. I dont really care to defend myself…

As far as I know I am just another consumer….. buying things that worth the money….. If I dont want to buy proton… its not my patriotism to blame… its Proton…

likewise If I buy proton… not my patriotism to praise… but Proton..

So if you r not anti-proton.. that is also fine… sorry for the misjudging….

But perhaps next time before drawing any conclusion… iron-out you assumption properly….

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November 19, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

MADBOY said,

November 19, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Automotive_Critics said,

November 19, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Sorry bro dzulx, i’m not anti Proton. My wife own Proton Gen2 and her sibling is all using Proton from old Saga, Wira SE, Wira 1.5 and Wira 1.6. My Brother use energy orange Gen2. My father use 1997 wira 1.3. My cousin use Gen2 CPS. i’m using Toyota LE which born before Proton project was commenced. i’m so sad being called as anti Proton. As Malaysian, I know what to do for betterment for all Malaysian but sadly just becoz for some word which seem misunderstood for not favoring Proton.

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No offense to you…but from the way you derived ur assumption… seems that u r not giving a fair valuation to proton…

I never own any proton car nor my siblings..nor my close relatives…

and I am not really a brand loyalist..

I am just a consumer trying to get the best bang for the buck..

Maybe its better to start looking at both side of the coin before making any conclusion…

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Bro, if i denied to give assumption, so you must also not assume me for anti proton. And why you don't have proton? if you're Malaysian, you must have proton at least to show your support to our country. If buy proton, money will stay inside country and enable proton employee serve their family food, schooling, medical bill etc2. If you're agree, can i assume you for anti Malaysian becoz you don't have Proton? Sure can't.

Some forummer even calling others make "faeces" just to support Proton. Why don't you write to them to be fair in their comment?. MAT has explain fairly and looks both company are on par in term technology. Quality wise don't know. Thanks.

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some car manufacture prefer to have the 4th gear as 3rd gear. for japanese car, the car has to be driven in the city for quite sometimes. having the gearbox jumping at 4th and 3rd gear looking at thr right speed isn't quite comfortable and it is jerky. that is why sometimes we need OD, a button to operate it. during city driving, we have to turn it off if we dont want the jerkyness of the ride.

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November 19, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Automotive_Critics said,

November 19, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Sorry bro dzulx, i’m not anti Proton. My wife own Proton Gen2 and her sibling is all using Proton from old Saga, Wira SE, Wira 1.5 and Wira 1.6. My Brother use energy orange Gen2. My father use 1997 wira 1.3. My cousin use Gen2 CPS. i’m using Toyota LE which born before Proton project was commenced. i’m so sad being called as anti Proton. As Malaysian, I know what to do for betterment for all Malaysian but sadly just becoz for some word which seem misunderstood for not favoring Proton.

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No offense to you…but from the way you derived ur assumption… seems that u r not giving a fair valuation to proton…

I never own any proton car nor my siblings..nor my close relatives…

and I am not really a brand loyalist..

I am just a consumer trying to get the best bang for the buck..

Maybe its better to start looking at both side of the coin before making any conclusion…

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November 19, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Sorry bro dzulx, i’m not anti Proton. My wife own Proton Gen2 and her sibling is all using Proton from old Saga, Wira SE, Wira 1.5 and Wira 1.6. My Brother use energy orange Gen2. My father use 1997 wira 1.3. My cousin use Gen2 CPS. i’m using Toyota LE which born before Proton project was commenced. i’m so sad being called as anti Proton. As Malaysian, I know what to do for betterment for all Malaysian but sadly just becoz for some word which seem misunderstood for not favoring Proton.

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bro, i from all your previous comments, i know you are not anti proton.

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it look like..ermm… hodoh like viva..too slim..
i like wider body.. more stable…

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November 19, 2009 @ 12:25 am

Awak, thanks for your explanation. That means Proton use actually use 3 speed gearbox + manually actuated overdrive count as 4th gears. I remember those early days where wira aeroback was 3 speeder + OD on/of button at sliding type lever. Is it same gearbox with current “manually acutated OD” gearbox?

If my assumption is right, i wonder how old technology that Proton cars are using now. This factor just enough to make general costumer turn to Perodua brand which comes with timing chain+DVVT+OD+well calibrated gearbox as proven in smooth/responsive accelaration, fuel efficient and low cost maintenance. There is no choice for Proton to topple Perodua at this moment unless it liberalise CPS and source suitable gearbox to macth with campro.

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You just listen to things you want to listen dont you? And filter out things that you dont need to support your anti-proton sentiment.

I dont want to waste my time explaining.. as you will just simply discard any information I gave that do not support your argument..

BTW your assumption is totally wrong… and your general knowledge regarding cars is too shallow…

No need to be an expert bro.. just dont be ignorance

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Sorry bro dzulx, i'm not anti Proton. My wife own Proton Gen2 and her sibling is all using Proton from old Saga, Wira SE, Wira 1.5 and Wira 1.6. My Brother use energy orange Gen2. My father use 1997 wira 1.3. My cousin use Gen2 CPS. i'm using Toyota LE which born before Proton project was commenced. i'm so sad being called as anti Proton. As Malaysian, I know what to do for betterment for all Malaysian but sadly just becoz for some word which seem misunderstood for not favoring Proton.

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November 18, 2009 @ 9:26 am

If u want to carry 7 people comfortably

and a big family then Exora is the right choice.

However many might op4 Alza bcos of its smaller size

fuel economy, younger crowd target and a smaller family.

May the competition begin !!

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I do agree that exora is better than P2 MPV in term of value and I do line ke space too. But to say exora can carry 7 people COMFORTABLY is plain marketing BS.

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November 19, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Nazri, nice spyshot…. Test Drive unit… maybe using Sporty Edition i think refer da skirting n spoiler…

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But Exora got Prestigue… more Exclusive and 'Mewah' i think…

Produa tiru style Proton daa…

Bila fikir meter kat tengah (tengkuk sakit woo), dan ruang yang lebuh luas…

Safety must be consider 1st when buy 7 seater…

Honestly i think Exora still Value For Money and Exora Rakyat tu can be accepted..

Myvi Wagon ni ok la, menutup kelemahan Myvi yang bonet kecil selama ni…

Spyshot for ALZA Crash test ada tak Nazri?

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November 19, 2009 @ 8:57 am

test drive unit

http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.com/2009…

http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.com/2009…

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Tak sangka lak ia CUN bila ada spoiler.. giler ah.. tak tahu nak pilih yang mana…

EXORA ke ALZA…

ALZA satu je kurang, takde Crash test…. kalo ada dan dapat 4star, sure gempak…

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hey went to genting 6 adult 3 kids (5-7years) – once..

went to cameron with same load – twice…..errr…everybody smiling maaa…not even muntah…..

to cookiemonster…….full load?….7 adult or 5 adult?….confirm la alza can beat exora…7 vs 5 ….errr can alza bring 7 adult to genting?…

exora vs alza?….cannot compare maaa….alza more to small family..city driving…easy to park…

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"In 2009, Seismic Micro-Technology conducted a survey of geophysicists and geologists about the future of crude oil. Of the survey participants 80 percent predicted the price for a barrel of oil will rise to be somewhere between $50 and $100 per barrel by June of 2010. Another 50 percent saying it will rise even further to $100 to $150 a barrel in the next five years."

So, those intended to buy hybrid vehicle or install NGV kit, it will be more practical in the year 2014.

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November 19, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

Kalau Proton boleh drop-price Exora hingga 55 ribu makna

selama ini Saga/Savvy dan Persona/Waja over priced dan rakyat dah kena main sebab sepatutnya harga Saga/Savvy hanya dalam lingkungan 30 ribu dan Persona/Waja 40 ribu saja.

Jadi Proton juga guna untung dari jualan Saga dll top-up kerugiaan Exora !!???

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u already know kan viva overprice and the equipment biasa2 saja. so nk tanya lagi? exora tu u pn dah tau tak de ABS, EBD, airbag single pemandu saja untuk B-line ni. bodykit takde, spoiler belakang pn takde. so each unit jual mesti p1 untung pnye.. kalau harga without tax pn still murah lagi.

each p2 yg dibeli wang akan keluar negara. hanya percent sedikit yang mengalir dalam negara.

sila fikir.. aku ni bukan nk bash mana2 infact blh kata dlm family aku semua brand kereta ada. nissan, mitsubishi, toyota, chevy, p2, p1.

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November 19, 2009 @ 11:21 am

Nazri, how bout ABS and EBD?

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donno.. just wait for real brochure came out from perodua guys la.. cheers

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em,just for information, any car that use DRIVE BY WIRE tech has throttle lag, thats why saga has throttle lag compare to myvi but after the lag disappear in higher rpm,it will be better than myvi. i did my own shot out with my sister myvi and my father saga, both auto. yes,myvi has dvvt/vvti(dynamic variable valve timing) but it doesnt have variable induction system as saga. actually,dvvt/vvti is dual valve timing (retard or advance) on intake only(please take note that it is not valve lift from low profile to high profile cam like CPS and VTEC), and saga has iafm or dual induction manifold (short or long runner) on intake. so, i think that it is a match in term of technology. both are old tech but been improve by toyota and proton.

this is my opinion, in term of aircond, p1 cars are the best, please, sit in saga blm, turn the aircond knob to no 2, and do the same in myvi, u will know that p1 saga blm aircond is cooler and more power compare to myvi. so, i think even exora has front a/c, i think it is sufficient as aircond in toyota wish/honda stream but of course u need to turn the knob higher compare the h/mline exora due to the absence of rear aircond.

in term of airbag, it is good to have both, but between passenger and driver, airbag on driver side is more important since it has steering wheel and incase of accident, there are possibility the driver chest and head will hit the steering, so airback function is to cushion off the impact inside the car,but if the chasis is not strong, even airbag cannot saved u from the dashboard to intrude inside the cabin.

while, for passenger, it has ample of space infront since unavailability of steering wheel. since the seatbelt has pretensioner, the possibility the passenger will hit the dashboard is low compare to the driver becoz on passenger side doesnt have steering. the important part is the frnt beam and chasis must be strong to hold the dashboard from hitting u, not u hitting the dashboard.

neverhteless, it is good to have both.

for abs and ebd, it is a lost, but, to reduce the price, they have to reduce something pricey. but, the positive of non abs, the weight is reduce so it will translate better response and better f/c even just a little bit.

for who said that 1 tank of gl 1.8 equal to 2 tank of exora, meaning that 1 tank of gl 1.8 can move u to nearly 1000km pertank???? thats insane.

base on eocm.com.my, 1 full tank of exora can move it around 450-500km accept u r driving it 170/180kmh all the way. so, i think it is baseless statement.

however, i believe that gl 1.8 is better fc than exora but it is not by a full tank to 2 full tank.

i think that p2 alza standard also doesnt equip with abs/ebd and airbags. so it is a fair game. except p2 alza standard has abs,ebd and dual airbags, it is a bargain, but if not, it is overprice. chow

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