haha

modified tank for a few liters of petrol? dude.. is that necessary?

tourism is good. period. malaysians welcome it. i am. please come. help the economy. if you wanna blame some one for causing the prices to go up. blame the ppl who raise it for being greedy.

gone be the days where ppl are doing honest living just happy with their cloths.

just my two cents..

Please continue! loven where this argument is going.

who owns durian? malaysia singapore? enjoy.

Hi Winners

1. If you observe the Shell petrol station on the left after you leave the JB CIQ , one can observe that many foreign registered cars to go straight to the Shell station after the CIQ. If the car has petrol > 3/4 of the tank , then why should the car pump more petrol ? Please observe.

Winners: Can you substantiate with the amount of petrol which they had pumped into their tanks? From my observation, quite a number of them are there also for the car wash, which I admit is cheaper than in Singapore. Do not forget that there are still others who proceed onward to northern Johor (Muar, Kluang,etc), Malacca and Kuala Lumpur. Isn't it wise and convenient to top up before that long trip, despite already having 3/4 tank? The next time you are there, do a statistics to see how many of those Singapore vehicles will do a U-turn back to Singapore immediately after refueling. Or, don't even need to do that, just stand at the traffic junction below the bridge at the Tebrau Highway and see how many Singapore registered vehicles are taking the U-turn there. Of course you cannot blame us for using Malaysian petrol if most of it will be re-used for traveling within Malaysia itself. Malaysia is unlike Singapore whereby you can cover the whole of Singapore with just a tankful of petrol.

Let me tell you that other than the odd hours (after midnight, pre-dawn hours, etc), all the Singapore registered cars prior to leaving Singapore will be individually checked by an officer on its fuel gauge. Of course, there are few cases of cheating like modifying the fuel gauge or trying to pass off with ignorance. However, the enforcement officers are very strict and will not give a second chance if you are caught with less than 3/4 tank of petrol because there are already several signposts along our highways and arterial roads to remind the Singapore drivers to top up to 3/4 tank before arriving at the Singapore immigration. There was one time when my Japanese colleague had to rush to Johor for an appointment and he had forgotten to top up his tank. Eventually, he was slapped with a S$200 fine. They won't even give a second chance to an expatriate, less to a local. With our self-imposed 3/4 tank rule, stiff penalty for failing to comply, causeway tolls at both Malaysian and Singapore ends, 1 hour (or more) of traffic jam during peak hours, etc, do you think it's still worthwhile to go to JB just for refueling alone?

2. Do you know there are cars that are modified with :

a) two petrol tanks

b ) petrol tank needle that can be manipulated

Winners: As already explained above. In any situations, there are always a few black sheep, but it's not worthwhile because the penalty is heavy if caught. Are you also aware that if the customs officers were to note that your vehicle is suspected of traversing abnormally frequent, they will use a rod to knock on your fuel tank below the vehicle. A less than half tank will definitely reveal a hollow sound and you're as good as dead. Two petrol tanks are only applicable to those Thai vehicles at the Bukit Kayu Hitam border. I have no knowledge of any Singapore cars being caught with such an illegal modification.

All vehicles leaving Singapore are being digitally photographed and checked on their vehicle registration number against their database for stolen vehicles. It will also reveal the last date and frequency of travel for that particular vehicle via the checkpoint. If they will suspect anything abnormal, the passport control officer can immediately inform the officer who is checking for the 3/4 tank compliance ahead with their walkie-talkie and you're as good as dead again if you will commit any wrongdoing. So, do you think it's worth the risk?

3. I certainly do not want your tourism dollars as i feel that the cost of living is high in JB due to this. I do not get any benefit from your tourism dollards.

Winners: You are just being narrow minded. I do agree that things in Johor Bahru are more expensive, but don't forget that it's operating like the capital of Johor state. Go up north 20 km or more (Kempas, Kota Tinggi, etc), things are cheaper. They are even back to their normal prices in places like Muar, Kluang, Segamat, etc. Similarly, when in Kuala Lumpur and Malacca city, do you think that the cost of living in those areas are cheap? Think again. That's the price for staying within the city boundary and you can't escape from this fact. It is the same for every city in this planet, be it Bangkok, Jakarta, Manila, Guangzhou, Shanghai, etc. You may not be in the retail trade yourself, otherwise, you wouldn't be saying that you don't benefit from the tourism dollars. However, your other family members and relatives may indirectly be related because they may be working in the shops and service industries in the city and shopping centres. Don't be myopic. Look ahead with a longer horizon and have a wider perspective if you want your country and your future generations to progress.

4. If you plan to come to JB for tourism , please do not use our subisdized petrol if your car still have enough petrol to arrive back home.Walk the talk.

I believe that you will practice what you preach.

Winners: I never said that we don't use your subsidized petrol. I only said that we don't benefit much due to our self-imposed 3/4 tank rule. Like I said before, you cannot deny us from using your petrol if they are to be used for traveling within Malaysia itself. How can you expect me not to refuel if my trip is to Malacca and back?

In your earlier post, you mentioned about fuel pilfering in Miri. I think you are greatly mistaken because fuel prices in Brunei have never been more expensive than Malaysia. So, why do the Bruneians need to purposely refuel in Miri? Don't you think that it should be the other way round instead?

5. The tourism dollars benefit Johor the most .But all of us in the country pay tax and subsidized the petrol. So what do i tell my fellows in KL , Penang , Sarawak , Sabah , etc ? That they benefit your tourism dollars ?

Winners: Isn't Johor part of the federal state of Malaysia? How the wealth is being distributed is of course beyond yours and my control, just like in Singapore. This issue will be delving into the Malaysian politics and I do not want to get myself involved. Do note that with the pending implementation of the Goods and Services Tax (GST) in Malaysia in the near future, you'll even have to pay more for your daily expenses. There's no escape unless you go reside in a cheaper country where your currency is stronger than your host's.

With the Iskandar Malaysia (IM) taking shape, the state of Johor will need lots of foreign direct investments (FDIs) in order to be successful. Singapore is amongst the top 3 investors. Do you mean to tell those foreign investors (especially from the Middle East, Japan, China, etc) not to live in Johor and cause your daily expenses to increase? Not possible right? Even without us Singaporeans, eventually, the cost of living in Johor will increase with each successions. That is how society works and progress and it just can't be avoided. Some very good examples are Beijing and Shanghai, where just 10 years ago, living expenses were so much cheaper than today. Your PM Najib is now doing a very good job by going to the Middle East, China and the US to promote Malaysia as an investment country. This is what all good leaders should do for the progress of the country.

6. I believe many that many that come over buy lots of groceries, food , milk powder , personal accessories etc that are cheaper compared over the causeway. So if you believe in contributing tourism dollars , please travel around and do not buy groceries etc.

Winners: In that case, we might as well stay at home. I do admit that we have an advantage due to our stronger currency. However, do note that not everything in Malaysia is cheaper than in Singapore. Trust me, most of the imported goods in Malaysia are practically more expensive than in Singapore, even after the currency conversion. Price controlled items like milk, sugar, rice, etc, are indeed cheaper than ours. But again, your custom officers will confiscate them if we are caught buying in bulk quantities of these items back to Singapore.

In conclusion, I would say that the people and governments of Malaysia and Singapore should not bear any hatred but to combine our talents and manufacturing forces to compete against China and the forthcoming India. Those 2 giants are our utmost fear in the future, in terms of their strong direct competition with ASEAN in trade and economics. We cannot compete with them individually, but with a combined strength and determination, we do stand a better chance, especially together with Indonesia, which is the largest economy in ASEAN. Trust you to agree with my some of my above views. Do have a wider perspective and sometimes, we really have no other choice but to change ourselves, due to external forces.

Thank you.

1. If you observe the Shell petrol station on the left after you leave the JB CIQ , one can observe that many foreign registered cars to go straight to the Shell station after the CIQ. If the car has petrol > 3/4 of the tank , then why should the car pump more petrol ? Please observe.

2. Do you know there are cars that are modified with :

a) two petrol tanks

b ) petrol tank needle that can be manipulated

3. I certainly do not want your tourism dollars as i feel that the cost of living is high in JB due to this. I do not get any benefit from your tourism dollards.

4. If you plan to come to JB for tourism , please do not use our subisdized petrol if your car still have enough petrol to arrive back home.Walk the talk.

I believe that you will practice what you preach.

5. The tourism dollars benefit Johor the most .But all of us in the country pay tax and subsidized the petrol. So what do i tell my fellows in KL , Penang , Sarawak , Sabah , etc ? That they benefit your tourism dollars ?

6. I believe many that many that come over buy lots of groceries, food , milk powder , personal accessories etc that are cheaper compared over the causeway. So if you believe in contributing tourism dollars , please travel around and do not buy groceries etc.

Thank you.

November 23, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Why is the govt allowing Spore cars to pump subsidized petrol in JB ? How much are we subsidzing them ? But till now no action taken by the govt. Not to mention the same problem at the border with Thailand and Brunei.

Whu is the govt taking NO action ?

HI LIEW,

I don't think it's correct to always use Singapore and/or Singaporeans as a bashing kid for all your grievances.

I'm a Singaporean and our cars must comply to the 3/4 tank rule before being allowed to leave Singapore for JB. How much do you think we can benefit from your cheaper subsidized petrol? Use your brain (if you still have it) to compute.

Besides, most of us are not going into JB solely just for fuel. We also contributed a lot to the state's tourism dollars. Read below which is extracted from your own newspapers:

I trust you to be mature enough not to sprout nonsense again in future without actual facts and figures.

"HIGHER EARNINGS FROM TOURISM THIS YEAR

2009/11/25

JOHOR earned RM1,149 million from foreign tourists in the first six months of this year.

State tourism and domestic trade committee chairman Hoo Seong Chang said Johor's tourism revenue for

the whole of this year is expected to exceed last year's.

In the first six months of last year, 7,018,282 foreign tourists visited Johor.

"For the same period this year, Johor received 7,351,710 visitors."

In his reply to Datuk Sulaiman Taha (BN-Tenang), he said based on the 4.7 per cent rise in tourist

arrivals, tourism earnings this year were also likely to be higher.

"The single largest group this year came from Singapore, with 6,043,618 people.

"Then there were tourists from Indonesia (401,882), China (202,669) and the Philippines (118,215)."

Other tourists who visited the state included those from India, Japan, Thailand and the United

Kingdom.

Cheong Chin Liang (BN-Bukit Batu) asked if the ministry kept a database on whether the tourists were

repeat or one-off visitors.

"Is there a way to find out how often they visit?"

Hoo said although he did not have the information on hand, he was certain they had visited Johor more

than once.

"I can say with confidence that they are repeat visitors."

Source: http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/2…

First and foremost, we should ensure no pendatang haram got MyKad.

2. Only our rakyat with vehicle entitled the subsidies- not illegal Indonesians (i ever come across an Indonesian got our MyKad almost ten years ago). Remote case?

3. RTD, IRB, Bank Negara should link the MyKad's owners info:-income, tax, vehicle etc. So, we can iron out the issue of misusing ePetrol. Perhaps, no more Thais rushing to fill up at our borders

4. God willing we can inculcate fuel saving culture and government should tax any cars based on FC rather than cc

Ummmm….having said that, what happen to the Petronas? They love more people buy their gas rather than fewer people and fewer volume of gas.

Many unnoticed: when we have relatively poor transportation system (or perceived so) we'll buying more cars, big or small, use highways, jammed (also better for gas station owners), RTD can collect more handsome registration number fees, tender for fancy numbers, and many more entities benefit from our 'system'.

Thus, government should compensate this situation by introducing more effective policies that able to cushion the impact on most rakyat. W'e're slapped with so many taxes, we're enjoying one of the most expensive car in the world with our GDP per capita and I afraid it's too much to bear.

Bottom line: Authorities must show to the rakyat that they're concern with them.

First and foremost, we should ensure no pendatang haram got MyKad.

2. Only our rakyat with vehicle entitled the subsidies- not illegal Indonesians (i ever come across an Indonesian got our MyKad almost ten years ago). Remote case?

3. RTD, IRB, Bank Negara should link the MyKad's owners info:-income, tax, vehicle etc. So, we can iron out the issue of misusing ePetrol. Perhaps, no more Thais rushing to fill up at our borders

4. God willing we can inculcate fuel saving culture and government should tax any cars based on FC rather than cc

Ummmm….having said that, what happen to the Petronas? They love more people buy their gas rather than fewer people and fewer volume of gas.

Many unnoticed: when we have relatively poor transportation system (or perceived so) we'll buying more cars, big or small, use highways, jammed (also better for gas station owners), RTD can collect more handsome registration number fees, tender for fancy numbers, and many more entities benefit from our 'system'.

Thus, government should compensate this situation by introducing more effective policies that able to cushion the impact on most rakyat. W'e're slapped with so many taxes, we're enjoying one of the most expensive car in the world with our GDP per capita and I afraid it's too much to bear.

Authorities must proof to the rakyat that they're concern with rakyat.

but i think it is time for ppl to know that the country cannot forever giving out subsidies. but the government should do something about helping the people before coming up with stupidest of ideas to supposedly help ppl.

the public transportation has been stagnant for many years now..

when we had our first train. we were pioneers. not even our Singapore neighbor has it. we are so stuck in the past.

KTM cannot even have a timely schedule. and when it rains, the service is almost non-existence.

LRT? when it first was brought into Malaysia. i have to say i was really proud. but after 10 year.. its still the same bloody train and the rotten handles and the service is relatively below par. the coverage for LRT is very poor.

our bus services? abysmal..

the government can get their money back it they wanted to. look at the amount of MARA scholars whom did not pay back their loans.. billions every year wasted as these idiot are not thankful that they were given loans.

PTPTN as well. why isnt the government clamping down on these defaulters?

our government can use this money to improve on public transportation.

RM50 on a credit card for next year amounting to few hundred millions are peanuts compared to the education loans provided but unclaimed.

not mentioning the khursus "datuks" attend overseas. 6 star hotel, first class flight.. hmmm. i want to attend khursus too..

Why can't the govt use existing systems? For example, our income tax. Any subsidy will obviously be targeted to those with low income, right? Just add another line for rebates for fuel subsidy. If your income is below a certain level, you get to claim your fuel subsidy directly.

This will cut out unnecessary middle men and no need to install any new gadgets. Of course, it will 'hurt' since you have to pay up front first but isn't a little pain worth it to ensure correct allocation of fuel subsidy?

No more wastages of public funds!

But if the tracking goes to car ID (such as plate number plus car model) it would be more transparent though…

"I am driving a 2003 Cefiro 3.0 bought for 80K 3 years ago because I could not afford to buy a brand new Camry or Accord."

Could not afford to buy a brand new Camry or Accord?

Dude, most of us have to take a 9-year loan to buy a P1/P2…to us you're rich.

Why is my income tax subsidising someone with such a big cc car?

BTW, I drive a car from the last century because I can't afford a car from this one yet.

No Subsidy is ok. But no subsidy also should mean no sales car tax (not road tax). What you want to buy is your problem.

This way, no additional control required.

How much subsidised Petrol will an averege Malaysian be allowed to purchase?

Scenario 1

Say Assuming 300 Litres a month flat.

1. Will this 300 Litres a month be enough for those who have to commute or to Balik Kampung?

2. Why then is the rich and the poor receiving the same amount of subsidised petrol?

3. Will this 300 Litres a month be enough for those who have to commute or to Balik Kampung?

Scenario 2

Rich get less cos they can afford it and poor get more cos they can't – Based on cc

1. The poor uncle who bought a old bigger cc car many2 years will suffer compared to the Yuppies who change car (although) smaller cc. Is this fair.

2. Ppl who drive a RX8 enjoy more subsidised petrol compared to ppl who drive a Waja. Is this fair

3. PPl who drive a Superbike (say 600cc or even 1000cc) enjoy more subsidised petrol compared to ppl who drive a MyVi. Is this fair

The scenarios can go on and on like based on age of vehicle, price but how to keep track. The best is just to float the price of petrol and then lower the price of car and all related parts. That way, its fairer to all.

November 23, 2009 @ 11:33 am

what if currently i’m rich with income more than RM20k per month, and goes broke the next month. Will i get the subsidy immediately to fuel my ‘kapchai’ C60 or will have to wait for court to finalise my bancruptcy status which may take several years to settle. Is that fair? What if vice versa?

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That's why it remains IF… because you're NOT earning $20k/mth. People who earned $20k/mth is not stupid and thinks better than that. No offense but that's the fact.

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epol said,

November 23, 2009 @ 11:23 am

the idea is noble. the implementation is to be judged. when it comes to petrol, people can get emotional, if not implemented right, gov may go down with it. among issues i am afraid will happen

- machine cannot read mykad

- offline (atm, credit card, internet..even astro also happen right)

- machine rosak

- duplicate mykad. suddenly by end of month, my subsidy use up by other people in sabah while im in penang.

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^ see… they are people who still can make good comment… good to you 'epol'

- machine cannot read mykad

- offline (atm, credit card, internet..even astro also happen right)

- machine rosak

- duplicate mykad. suddenly by end of month, my subsidy use up by other people in sabah while im in penang.

- …

We malaysians (ALL MALAY, CHINESE and INDIAN) pay alot more when we study in UK than the locals.

Is that racist?

only malaysians can use this…sounds racist

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racist?? who pay the most tax to IRB? "rakyat didahulukan bukan rakyat asing didahulukan"