Perodua Alza finally launched: a car or an MPV?

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Here it is – the new Perodua Alza! We’ve been following the development of this MPV ever since we first got news of its existence back in early 2008, where it was reported that Toyota and Daihatsu were going to build a new MPV and produce it in Indonesia. When the Daihatsu Luxio MPV came out we all got a shock – that more of a van so we waited patiently until Christmas last year when the Toyota Passo Sette was finally unveiled in Japan. Nearly a year later, the Perodua-badged model with a new front, rear and interior is here

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Alot of people that are casually (not urgent) in the market for an MPV will have probably been waiting for the D46T project to be launched for a long time now. After all, the majority of the country can only afford either a Proton or a Perodua, and you really have to wonder why it took them so long to serve this market niche when all of its competitors have been priced out of affordability.

The national MPVs should have come sooner so that consumers who have big families would not have needed to stuff their 5-seaters to the brim whenever they needed to balik kampung.

I have to say that with the Myvi, the Japanese Passo looked better, but with the Alza I feel our own Malaysian design team has trumped the Japanese guys. The Passo Sette had this slightly bulgy-eyed look while the Alza looks far more sleeker. I don’t see any reason why anyone would want to ‘convert’ their Alza back to a Passo Sette but then again design is a subjective personal thing.

As for the name Alza, it actually means ‘to rise’ in Spanish. Probably symbolises Perodua rising up the product segments once again – its cars are getting bigger and bigger.

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The Perodua Alza’s headlamps also come with projector lenses for the main beam across the entire line-up. I’m not saying you should be doing this but for those that want to retrofit HID bulbs to the Alza, the projector lenses will result in a relatively cleaner and nicer looking light beam.

On the rear you get LED tail lamps and for the Premium version you also get a spoiler. There is a bee sting antenna located towards the rear of the roof but towards the left rear instead of being positioned smack in the middle. Perodua says this is so that the owner will be able to flip the antenna down when required easily as compared to if it was in the middle. There are a few colours to choose from but personally I’m digging the Classy Purple, which is a new colour.

How much is the new Perodua Alza?

So anyway, here we are finally, the Perodua Alza. The smaller MPV also comes with a smaller price tag, though Proton has worked to introduce the Exora Basic as well. Perodua says the Alza project first started off as the D46T about 3 years ago. The Japanese version was unveiled on Christmas day last year.

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It’s cheaper than the Exora though technically it isn’t the cheapest in the market. Changan-Berjaya sells their Chana Era CM8 “van” at prices starting from under RM40k.

Perodua Alza 1.5L Standard M/T
Solid – RM55,490
Metallic – RM55,990
S. Metallic – RM56,190
Perodua Alza 1.5L Standard A/T
Solid – RM58,490
Metallic – RM58,990
S. Metallic – RM59,190
Perodua Alza 1.5L Premium M/T
Solid – RM60,490
Metallic – RM60,990
S. Metallic – RM61,190
Perodua Alza 1.5L Premium A/T
Solid – RM63,490
Metallic – RM63,990
S. Metallic – RM64,190

*S. Metallic – Pearl White

Datuk Syed Hafiz revealed that a sportier version with a bodykit, GPS navigation and a reverse camera will be introduced in March 2010, though I think showrooms are already taking bookings for this version now. This model will be premium and auto-only, and will go for RM69,990 which is RM6k on top of the Metallic Premium automatic.

How big is the Perodua Alza?

  Alza Exora Livina 1.6 Avanza 1.5 Rondo Innova
Kerb Weight 1,150kg 1,422kg 1,245kg 1,120kg 1,563kg 1,575kg
Length 4,205 4,592 4,420 4,150 4,545 4,580
Width 1,695 1,809 1,690 1,630 1,800 1,770
Height 1,620 1,691 1,590 1,695 1,650 1,755
Wheelbase 2,750 2,730 2,600 2,655 2,700 2,750
Track (F) 1,475 1,542 1,470 1,415 1,573 1,510
Track (R) 1,465 1,530 1,475 1,425 1,569 1,510
Fuel Tank 42L 55L 52L 45L 55L 55L
Power (hp) 104hp 125hp 104hp 108hp 142hp 134hp
Torque (Nm) 136Nm 150Nm 150Nm 141Nm 189Nm 182Nm
kg/Nm 8.45 9.48 8.3 7.94 8.27 8.65

Above you will find a comparison of various MPVs available in the Malaysian market. The Alza’s power output and weight is actually quite similiar to the Avanza’s, which means performance should be comparable. The Alza and Avanza actually use the same 3SZ-VE engine though the Alza’s is transverse and the Avanza’s is longitudinal for rear wheel drive installation. There is a discrepancy with the power figures quoted above for the Alza and Avanza engine, but I think it’s because Perodua gave DIN numbers while the Toyota numbers are a different kind of measurement.

Is there enough power?

When we drove the Alza under a load of 4 to 5 people it was quite possible to drive in a relaxed manner, though pace was rather hampered. Driving it in a “youthful” manner with hurried progress called for the engine to be revved into the upper boundaries of the rev range most of the time. What made it worse is the fact that the engines did not seem to be run in properly, and most of us in the same car agreed.

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Veteran journo Leeps (who went ahead and bought one after the media preview drive) described it as being kinda ‘tight’, while to me the sensation was of an inconsistent torque curve (also reflected in RPM needle progress) that kept dipping randomly. It’s really quite a bummer as when things like this happens it does not reflect the car’s actual performance (just like the Mazda 3 review unit earlier this year), leaving a big blank question mark in my review expectations. So watch out for another review later, as this is pretty much just a preview drive in a circle around the Shangrila Putrajaya, though there was some very nice curves and uphills and downhills.

With regards to the revviness, you really can’t run away from this kind of engine behaviour if you try to drive it like a sports car under heavy loads. The engine has no problems taking the car around gently. I really wouldn’t consider it a significant improvement over the Exora but I found throttle response to be zipper compared to the Campro CPS. Thankfully the sound insulation for the Alza preview drive units (and the Exora) are sufficient to supress any excessive vibrations. The Alza’s engine remained sounding refined up to the redline, despite the inconsistent power delivery issues.

How big is the Alza on the inside?

When I saw the specs list it looked promising as the Alza has got a wheelbase of 2,750mm which is even longer than the Exora’s. But it really depends on how you package the vehicle together so a longer wheelbase may not translate to a longer interior space. Perodua has provided some data on the Alza’s interior dimensions.

Perodua Alza
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The first row is great. The seats can go back as much as I want it to and the ergonomics for the manual transmission gear lever seems better than the Myvi as I didn’t feel it was too far up front. The automatic transmission model’s shift lever is positioned at the dashboard while the handbrake is actually a foot brake. This frees up the space in between the front two seats, but instead of leaving it empty Perodua decided to extend the driver seat leftwards to fill up the space.

But that space cannot really be used as a seat because the part of the dashboard with the air cond panel and the gear lever juts out too much. I also like the armrest that you can fold down – it feels quite soft.

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I did not like the fact that the manual model had no arm rests so I suggested to the Perodua engineers that accompanied us during the drive that perhaps they should add a seat-mounted armrest like the Honda CRV’s to the manual model. They took note of it.

The center meter panel is lit up with blue and white illumination with the Premium model while the regular model gets amber illumination, though both are of the self-illuminating Optitron type. There is only manual air conditioning controls available and they look like the same parts used in the Vios.

Perodua Alza First Row

The second row has the ability to slide back and forth. In a sliding mechanism there is less space freed up for third row passengers to get proper footing on the way out compared to a tumble-fold mechanism so there is a short overslide where you can slide it little extra towards the front to help the third row passengers get out.

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Because of the low roof and the generally tight space it’s not easy to get into the back. And while I could sit in the third row of the Exora without my knee touching the second row (albeit a little uncomfortably due to not so optimum leg angles), sitting in the third row of the Alza resulted in my knee pushing against the second row seat back. A good thing the seat back is made of a soft material. But then again I am 181cm so please head on to the showroom to check out the Alza to see if it fits your space requirements. BTW, the third row is a single bench with no split.

Perodua Alza 2nd row exit problem

And then there is also the issue of an awkward exit for an adult in the second row when you have set the position of the second row to allow for someone to sit comfortably in the third row. Your feet will actually be positioned way in front of the B pillar, so you’ll have to make awkward maneuvers with your leg in order to get out properly.

There’s no issue in exiting the second row when you have the second row pushed far back, but you can’t do that when there are people in the third row waiting for you to get out of the car so they can get out themselves! So there’s really no solution for the awkward 2nd row exit and its an ergonomic flaw.

Perodua Alza Third Row Down

If I were to buy an Alza I would just great it as a 5 seater and leave the third row permanently down. Then I would slide the second row all the way to the back so that all four to five passengers in the car can get good legroom. To me, this isn’t an Exora competitor but more of a Persona/Waja competitor.

The Alza is best used as wagon substitute for a sedan. The same space as a sedan (perhaps even better) and a more flexible storage area. When you turn it into an MPV, somehow there are just too many compromises to be made, unless you are talking about children only for the third row. In that situation it would probably work great!

If you’re worried about not getting used to the foot brake initially and always leaving it activated while you drive off, according to the specs list there’s supposed to be a little buzzer that warns you about it although I did not try it myself.

How’s the luggage space?

Perodua Alza Boot

I’ll let the photo speak for itself. The luggage space depth is about 30cm but the third row kinda slants rearwards so you have more of a triangular wedge kind of boot space. WIth the third row folded, the luggage space grows up to 89.5cm in length. It’s a Myvi with a good sized boot. And BTW, yes there is a spare tyre located under the car but it s a temp tyre and not a full sized tyre.

Compartments

You can click the image above to view all the various compartments in the car. There are loads of cupholders.

How does the Perodua Alza handle?

Test Drive
Click to view our test drive route

The Alza behaves surprisingly decently around the bends on our test route. It’s definitely better than the Myvi. All four of us in the Alza 1.5 Premium A/T were all pleasantly surprised by this. I also had no complaints about the weighting of the power steering system – a decent weight makes it easier to point instead of being overassisted where it turns too easily and makes it hard for the driver to hold it in the position he or she wants through a bend.

When I asked the engineers, they said the Alza had improved suspension settings and it was likely that the biggest contributor to the Alza’s decent behaviour around corners is the addition of a rear stabilizer bar. The Myvi does not have this.

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The rest of the suspension layout is similiar to the Myvi’s – MacPherson struts at the front and a torsion bar at the rear. The wheels are 15 inchers across the range and the tyres are 185/55R15.

The manual gearshift while in a good position to be reached of course does not offer Civic Type R kind of shift feel. It feels very rubbery and for some reason the feel of putting it into first gear is just somehow tak sedap, like it only goes in half way or something, without much feedback to you that the gear is in position. The rest of the gear positions feel ordinary.

Malaysia is a hot country – how is the air conditioning?

I think this is one of the most important features in an MPV. Stuffing many annoyed people in a hot vehicle is surely a recipe for family arguments! There is only one blower in the Perodua Alza and dashboard-level air conditioning vents are only available at the front.

Perodua Alza Air Conditioning
Click for enlarged image

Perodua says the interior of the Alza’s low roof helps with the air circulation. You can click the image above to test out some test results on air conditioning performance that they’ve released. The tests were performed with a starting cabin temperature of 55 degrees Celcius and test results were obtained after 11 minutes of driving with the air cond at maximum performance.

I tried sitting in the rear bench with the air cond blower turned up and I was surprised that there was sufficient air cond breeze reaching me. I could even feel the blower air hitting my face when I was standing outside the rear of the car with the boot open. Based on our short driving experience in late morning temperature conditions, I believe the air conditioning system performs sufficiently though you’ll probably have to wait a few minutes for the last row to be cool and comfy.

Are there any safety features?

Yes, only for the premium version, which gets the full ABS and dual SRS airbags treatment. I’m not sure if I can even call that full since we can get 4 airbags in a car below RM100k now – in the Peugeot 308. Even Proton is guilty of this – 2 airbags is the most you can get in any Proton sold in Malaysia.

The standard version is devoid of any safety features whatsoever other than your usual crumple zone and the chassis. ABS, EBD and dual SRS airbags are only available for the premium version, which I find is just plain skimping on specifications. Why couldn’t they have left a single airbag for the standard version? There are also no ISOFIX points anywhere in the car, so you’ll be forced to strap your baby chair with seatbelts (as per some reader’s request, please read my long rant about ISOFIX in this story).

What about the Alza’s Fuel Consumption?

Its premature to talk about fuel consumption at this point of time considering we drove only a few km around Shangrila Putrajaya. Logically I don’t expect the Alza to perform great in terms of fuel efficiency if you have a full load but it’s probably still going to be cheaper than if you take two cars.

Perodua claims 12.7 km per litres with the automatic transmission model and 15.5 km per litres with the manual transmission model. This is based on their own internal “Perodua mixed mode test”, so these numbers will be different from the Passo Sette’s which are based on Japan 10-15 mode.

The Alza’s multi-info display meter integrated in the center dashboard has the ability to show you your average fuel consumption in litres per 100km, and your remaining range based on the fuel remaining in your fuel tank in terms of km.

I will be requesting for a test drive unit later in order to do some day to day driving with only one or two people in the car and measure the overall fuel consumption. I’ll also be trying to measure the fuel consumption on a full load on a short trip somewhere. I believe with these two figures you can get a better picture of the kind of fuel money you’ll be forking out if you own an Alza.

The Perodua Alza drives decently (you honestly can’t say the Alza handles like a boat or the usual stuff that gets said about the Myvi) and offers a lot of space inside, as long as you don’t actually use it as an MPV. At the kind of prices Perodua is asking for, it could become an alternative to sedans from Proton or the Korean manufacturers, or for those who have the spare cash and want something newer than the Myvi, with a bigger bootspace. Just buy the Premium version to make sure you get all the necessary safety equipment.

But if you are looking for an alternative to the Exora or any other MPV, you’ll have to think twice if you need it to fit 7 adults.

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Comments

  • Broody on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:03 am

    cool…

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  • no1 !

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  • kebergz on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:05 am

    1st

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  • Izhar on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:11 am

    look spacious and delicious

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  • kenneth tee on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:12 am

    i'm 4th!!!

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  • NAJIB on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:13 am

    Wow.. quite long review.. comment first then read..hehe

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  • hmm... on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:14 am

    thanx for the info paul… it's a nice car… but, i've booked gen-2 cps… no regrets… btw, it's a good alternative to small sedans… i dun think people will regret buying it…. so, welcome to msia p2 alza… :-)

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  • Nawzidhom on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:15 am

    already booking maa… :)

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  • nasurudin on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:15 am

    I buy a Livina because the after sales are by people who knows engines. P2 service team knows nothing about engine

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  • iLachva on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:15 am

    this actually look pretty ugly, something like longer version of Myvi.

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  • Looks OK, but the front does remind me of the Exora in some way. Well, maybe its just me. Oh and a good job for Perodua bringing it in as a rebadged model. I honestly think NO ONE in Malaysia would want to pay a hefty sum Toyota would charge for this small thing if Toyota actually marketed the vehicle. So, kudos in bringing it in cheap.

    :)

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  • mamat puchong on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:18 am

    looks impressive and a job well done.

    however.. in long run P2 should develope their own engine and etc.

    that would be a truely a job well done.

    cheer

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  • coldfusion (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:21 am

    Nice one. Been waiting awhile for this already. Its about time. This just might be an Exora-killer.

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  • for an mpv, its too tight for the third row if it full house.

    driiving position is good, flat position steering makes it feel at home. good for driver.

    not yet driving the car, its 1.5 i belive is more than enough.

    luggage?-little space.

    most of the time people drive with third row folded. so it comes back to car.

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  • JKucing on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:26 am

    third row too tight… :( but expected….

    any news on Exora 1.6 Turbo?

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  • Tiadaid on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:27 am

    Well, it's safe to say that we shouldn't compare the Alza with the Exora. Even Paul said so himself, the Alza is a Persona/Waja competitor. I'd like to see the legroom with the back-row seats down and the 2nd row shunted way back. The legroom of a limousine anybody?

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  • claxxion on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:28 am

    They should have offered it in more colours. All their colour range are dull. Except for the purple.

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  • kealchg on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:30 am

    I booked one and "RISE" to the occasion…what are you waiting for?

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  • kealchg on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:31 am

    BTW paultan, I'm digging the Classy Purple too!

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  • i don think all post here read the article above

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  • nice looking car…luv the headlamps.

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:34 am

    coldfusion said, Nice one. Been waiting awhile for this already. Its about time. This just might be an Exora-killer.

    ——>>

    i dont think that its an Exora killer.. Exora is a class upper than ALZA, a true 7 seater MPV. its just another option for those who would like to buy a sedan, but in need for extra 2 seats when they need it.

    seems like everyone favors P2 over P1 since i dont see anyone complaining about the standard or 'base line' version of ALZA at RM55k price tag. No ABS+EBD, no airbags, no isofix. everything is good ;)

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  • rookie on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:35 am

    yepp, this thing will work great if it is use as a wagon instead of an mpv…

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  • I went to look at the car just now. Looks nice and very stylish. But, somehow, I am not satisfied with the headroom, it's kind of low and very hard for tall people to enter and exit the car. Anyway, the interior looks simple and nice. After all, I would say it is a good car. :) I would consider this if I would get a new car for my wife..

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  • kaishio on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:36 am

    "All four of us in the Alza 1.3 premium auto were all pleasantly surprised by this."

    Paul, should be 1.5 la.. BTW, great review & thanks for sharing! Will Myvi get this engine??

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  • fookiat on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:37 am

    Dear Paul,

    Thanks fort the great review, I just came back from the showroom and have just thought of booking it. Will make the final decision tomorrow after the test drive.

    There is a typo in your review. Its suppose to be a 1.5 Premium instead of 1.3 Premium. Right? Sorry if I am wrong.

    Thanks again for the wonderful review.

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    • Stephen on Jul 21, 2010 at 10:21 pm

      You better think twice before buying…. there is an unpleasant “kung” noise when turn on the air con…..i reported it….and the authorized air con dealer said it is normal….wat kind of bullshit lies is that….? Hve you ever heard such noise in other cars…other brands? No…none !!!

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      • orange on Feb 04, 2011 at 3:08 am

        come on …. 58k only , if want better quality , pay more lar ….

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  • coldfusion said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

    Nice one. Been waiting awhile for this already. Its about time. This just might be an Exora-killer.

    ———————————

    not just exora killer, its myvi killer and ur killer also…safety only on premium only wat? "standard" la no safety, ur safety is "premium" maa? if proton tin milo..tis p2 tin 100plus….not care rite coz not proton…proton basher always say that kind of comment…hehehehohoh

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  • The car is nice.

    I think it's a car rather than MPV.

    It kinda reminds me of Honda Jazz rather than Avanza or Livina

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  • Hmm.. not bad for a wagon, but you have to think 100x to buy it as an MPV. Overall from what paul said, Alza is far better than Myvi, but personally i think it is not comparable with mid size MPV like Exora and above. This can't suit for those people who want a MPV or a compact / sedan car, only those who like Myvi with bigger luggage space will chose this car. I would still like Exora to be my MPV. Good luck with Alza buyers! Enjoy your syiok sendiri car. Your taste is unique.

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  • whizzer (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:44 am

    Going to show room now… Will book if I like it.

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  • nasurudin on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:47 am

    The Alza and Avanza actually use the same 3SZ-VE engine. ITs a year 04 engine . alamak

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  • fastcx on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:48 am

    like paul mentioned, I believe it's compete with sedan more than full fledged mpv, not even livina. if i were to buy this, will use it as a wagon/sedan most of the time as the boot space will be humongous n enough space for 5 in 1st n 2nd roll

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  • zarreta on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:48 am

    congrat p2!

    i agree with u paul..this is more like a wagon

    yes..this car is sedan competitor..not a 'real' mpv

    mpv is about space and comfort

    i've experienced driving livina 1.6 with full capacity..6 people + luggages..wah..very tight..can't imagine if it was Alza!

    anyway..this new mpv gives the people more choices..your money..your choice..haha!

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  • it should be called MPCc = multi purpose car

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  • tiwasok on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:54 am

    Hmm..handling behave better than Myvi…yet Persona handles better than Myvi…so, Alza handling poorer than Persona?

    And Paul, you said Alza 1.3 premium?

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  • drputera on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:56 am

    for an MPV it is too small and crampy. a replacement for EXORA as an MPV , not a good choice.

    as a replacement for avanza, or sedan with some space YES.

    no wonder Syed of PROTON quite confident that th eimpact on exora will be minimal.

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    • mohd fitri on Sep 23, 2011 at 9:34 am

      the alza is more fit body than exora or whatever the mpv car because alza is more comfortable car that i have done

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  • At last, the review is out….

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  • boylosong on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:59 am

    exora for me, dun want to give p2 big bonuses next year :)

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  • prolever on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:00 am

    very cute ….

    but…

    i agree with iLachva…….WHY??????? (my opinion)

    first look more like viva +myvi limo(stretch la)??? ( i cant dream about it)

    second look more like mini exora from the front @#$$%

    third look more like car 4 flood season..ya la, the rear look 'terangkat' like makcik2 pull up their batik when walk through the becak or something…..

    btw…

    i thing ah Beng and the geng now struggle for creating kit for the car…..

    hurry ah beng……the wagon AKA mini mpv AKA car is waiting…

    ahak3

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  • squawk on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:00 am

    Agree with Paul, this is just a wagon not so much an MPV. If I'm in the market for this type of wagon, a used 307 SW with extra 2 seats looks quite tempting. I just have to worry about the gov doing us in the tailpipe with the ban on imported used parts.

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  • lanpapalan on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:06 am

    wheres the power report , only front aircond still brag the transfer speed.

    proton exora is far more spacious.

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  • 15th!!!!!!!!!!!

    better than myvi…this extended butt so called mpv is more like wagon…

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  • exora 1.6 not enough power need turbo

    alza 1.5 too much power maa!!! owh…too much

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  • iskett on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:12 am

    The exterior looks good.

    But as suspected, P2 will always be skimpy on the specs..

    The interior plastic looks very cheap, even compared to P1, but have to see first hand.

    Hmm.. I read about the Exora B-line previously and many people complained on it being just a 'body with engine', not safe, bla bla..

    Let see how you describe this Alza?? lol! Simply overpriced!

    No safety features whatsoever unless you pay $60k!

    Really?? At least Exora B-line has one airbag and lotus handling, surely safer!

    You don't have to love Proton, I don't, but I hope Malaysian readers be more objective in reviewing cars in the future, not just bashing and bashing..

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  • tokmoh on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:12 am

    Crash test mana? hehehehehehe……

    In motortrader, unker chips mentioned about Daihatsu doing the crash test, but what about Perodua? The whole paragraph explaining about the safety of Alza contains a lot of questionable claims… without real video or even pics of the Alza (not the passo sette) going through the crash test, I'm not convinced.

    I suppose MPV1 is the Exora? Being the best performer in a/c section is somewhat a giveaway, and HOW the HELL… the Alza is COMPARABLE… to Exora when the figures SHOW… it's just NOT as POWERFUL… nor as COOL as Exora?!?!

    If it's to just be compared to saloons, then it's quite pricey in comparison to proton, but it really is quite an alternative to city and vios.

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  • Yes, better buy premium version. More safety. I will buy next year, wait alza owner comment first…

    Mine, this is a car with big luggage room. 5seater with big luggage room while i hav one baby only. Just like to modified it making more sporty. and put a big speaker between da back like Kia Soul and also 20" dvd/tv player. Fuh~nice.

    My budget only rm70k, buy white solid premiun rm63k++ and another rm6k for modification… waulah~ wait my new alza….Here i come…

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  • kalid on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:16 am

    the design is better than exora.

    my 2 cent.

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  • prolever on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:19 am

    another one. better get Exora if people want to buy the standard alza, better get exora basic, yala, even exora get airbag driver and pretension belt for the driver. even it cost about 2 to 3k more than the standard alza, you get more space and more safety. its also huge and no awkward movement went exit the second row :p

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:19 am

    just came back from showroom….hmmmm…just nice la…

    got one pakcik really angry with me….

    me: exora B line better…almost the same price with the standart…but have 1 airbag…

    pakcik:.mana ada???….u stupid aaa…exora 70 ribu la..

    me:. based line ada…57k only..

    pakcik: mana ada??? (his tagline kot)….kalau ada pakcik beli 10….

    me:…ahahahah (in my heart la)….

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  • chanel on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:25 am

    yet i would say this wouldn't be Exora killer, instead it would spike Exora up…exora fully 7 seater, though under power but the same could be said about alza. only they have better throttle respond than Campro CPS..cz from Toyota ma….

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  • I TEST THIS CAR…BEAUTY…BUT SHOULD NOT IN MPV CLASS…..ITS CAN BE SAY ORDINARY HONDA JAZZ CATEGORY..

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  • Alza..

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  • akupunya on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:31 am

    myvi extended..

    plastik baldi or besen pasar malam?

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  • mantap beb…proton dah goyang ker…abis la exora..

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  • CHAMPION..

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  • not bad…….but too small…….

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  • Prokia on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:36 am

    rubbish. fugly. shit

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  • kennytkl on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:39 am

    yeah…better than p1 alot…

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  • Freddo on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:50 am

    I believe I need an Exora for my family need as I have 6 familay members. Air con is another point which I find it is my priority. Space and comfort too.

    Anyway, I like the front of Alza. Projector lamp. Cool. I like both Exora and Alza but it all depends on ones needs.

    So, let's not bash each other but being a true Malaysian, I just appreciate both well. Keep up the good work for Proton and Perodua.

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  • not bad.. full test drive pls paul tan!

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  • anak dato' kk on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:53 am

    Tq for the review PT. I'll wait for the full test drive report from you

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  • makan makan on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:53 am

    Crash test..?? love to hear response from Littlefire.

    Isofix..was surprise it did not have one since this car is targeted for young family

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  • AwAnG-Gt (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:55 am

    to,i just came back frm p2 showroom and view the new ALZA.the size…too small for me..i sat behind my leg can even comfortable…my view at the dashboard…emmm like airplane co-pit.i mean the auto gear stick..like up and down,u can see those in foker-50.the door trim,also look cheap.p2 should give much more quality and more value for money.price as for me not cheap and reasonable for me.why should i buy alza with the price like that when i just pay a little more to buy exora.bigger and with cps engine..wat i learn the alza dont have pretentional seat belt..at least exora have even at m-line.another thing,the e-brek.hayooo…at the leg..if my wife drove those i must ready a pillow to save my self frm breaking the front pannel…i think not suitable for normal driver..i mean plp which already get use with the e-brek in the middle consel..i guess if 7 plp seat in there sure the rear wheel tengelam inside…hopefully tomolo can test drive…just now the sale plp dont allow for test drive…ok….good luck p2

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  • bmpower on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:56 am

    After reading all paul's writeup.. 1 word : IT's a boring car.

    And all over the Specification Tables above,

    Exora won all . handover!

    No Teh Tarik hook kah paul?

    Important thing… Where's the real Alza crash test!

    we were talking about Malaysian life here!.

    *somebody, tomorrow if you go to p2 showroom… please do check how tiny the bar behind the front bumper . Is it as small as viva had one?

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  • Steve on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:57 am

    Good detail review on this P2 new launced , Alza.. Quite like the name.
    This review is driving me to the nearest P2 showroom for a test drive and…
    who knows, may be a booking! Hah!
    Thx Paul. mGBU…

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  • keyboard rosak on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:01 am

    no crash test video?

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  • quadlights on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:03 am

    Same engine with avanza? if it tuned differently or improved in terms of power output im ok with it atleast we know the reliability is there. I dunno bout u guys but for me the biggest problem is the name…. why 'Alza' laaa

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  • Nice…really nice…

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  • JACK HAMMER on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:10 am

    Paul called it 'wagon' lah..

    After all this time, we're waiting for a perotua MPV..

    And they give us a 'MyVai wagon'.. Prfthhh..

    A trully Myvi killer.. Hahaha..

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  • hey not bad for the price you fork out. although i would go for the livina if you had the budget.

    for those who usually drive 5 and occasionally need the space or family trip, i say this is a pretty good choice!

    other news. forte price is out! 81.8k for the 1.6 premium version. with push button start and smart entry!!!!damn!

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  • Derrick on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:11 am

    Wah! Great! Pretty!

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  • run budget on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:12 am

    for the first sight, i'm not impressed. but it could be got unexpected demand (pisang goreng panas) since it slide on the road. likes myvi, most ppl condemned about front part for the first time. but the almost that ppl also bought it right now. for me, alza more sportier than exora, and more economical if regarding to the size. anyway, p1! go for your effort and development, i'm still waiting a new sedan from you!

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  • irfandanish on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:12 am

    nice car…not mpv lah…

    but a bit expensive.

    will contender with own myvi/persona/vios

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  • Tiadaid on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:12 am

    A lot have been said about the absence of ISOFIX points on most Malaysian cars, but none have addressed the fact that an ISOFIX child seat cost a lot! Just go take a look at a Toys r'Us and you'll see. RM 400+ is the norm for one seat. If the guy have three children, that's RM 1200 on car seats that is of no use once the kid grows up. No wonder people don't care about the lack of ISOFIX, or even know what an ISOFIX is! We need to get the child seat prices down before we can talk about ISOFIX…

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  • should had used this design as a new myvi. and the front lights looks exactly like the ones on the hyundai genesis coupe.

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  • humaizi on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:22 am

    not a competitor to exora in term of size, but to grand livina. perhaps, the price difference is at exora's range, that's why people keep comparing between both.

    however, from the first look, i fell in love with Alza, unfortunately, I am driving Sylphy and perhaps my wife should change her kelisa to Alza…

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  • subhero on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:23 am

    projector light?.. is it xenon light like CPS waja?

    look at alza commercial iklan.

    nice la.. gear knob .. y dont use like new vios style?..

    depan?.. better myvi

    belakan?.. better myvi

    inside?.. better exora

    overall?.. better my car.. haha

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  • whystereo on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:27 am

    naaah…

    i really agree with paultan saying this is a competitor to waja/persona…

    its a sedan with a big-flat butt…

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  • shawal on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:29 am

    Alza is spanish for sunrise, its cool ,

    3 years in the making, great effort from perodua, to be honest, if you could have only 1 car , this prolly wouldnt hurt…, its not as high or as ugly as an avanza…,, and BRILLIIANT touches of compartments inside, it wouldnt be a car for the people with no cupholders , and detachable headrest for 3rd row and compartment, well thought out car, yep ,

    Manual will save fuel for sure , plus more compartments , hopefully they'll manage to put the CR-V armrest into production soon

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  • so bad! macam Exora

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:31 am

    Just dropped by to Putrajaya Showroom this evening. I approach a saleswoman asking for pamphlete. She said, pakcik must fill in your name to get the pamphlete becoz we control it for survey. ??

    My view was direct to 1.5 AT premium Solid White. Exterior looks very nice with bodykit. It could give Honda a run for its money to 1.5l Jazz. Overall I could say a very compact looking exterior.

    The interior in the first hand feel better fittings all around than Proton cars. Driving position and sitting height also very good for long journey without stiff and tiring. I like sofa-style seating position in this car that really relax.

    Alza is just car like wagon not MPV. It just nice with family with 4 kids where the youngest probably 3-4years old can be seated in third row. Just nice but the problem only its price. In Japan boon luminas with much higher spec 6 airbags just sells at RM44K. Here superbasic at RM57K. Development cost is lesser than P1. Why sells that high? The authority should really looks on this scam wannabe by Japan.So many profit aa i guess more than RM20K/unit. WOW this year P2 engineer will get 5month bonus.

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  • Went to the showroom just now, frankly spoken, I'm quite impressive with the work done, despite it was derived from the Toyota Passo model.. But I'm glad to say that Perodua actually did a very good job for the MPV. Being says so, the shape of Alza(Avanza- -?) was perfectly trimmed compared to Proton Ezora(Darm bulky). Of course, there is a payoff, I was a little disappointed with the leg space for the passenger seats(both front and back).. I can barely move my leg when I was fitted into it. Well, the back part, I even need to twist my leg into 'z' shape to squeeze myself into it. How sad was that, and I am only size M for God sake..

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:39 am

    er6n said, mantap beb…proton dah goyang ker…abis la exora..

    ——>>

    ko ni, memalukan owner ER6N je ngan statement tuh… apa yg habis exora? habis stock ke? sbb byk sgt demand? haha..

    —————-

    kennytkl said, yeah…better than p1 alot…

    ——>>

    you should elaborate more, in what terms that it is better than p1?

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:40 am

    makan makan said, Crash test..?? love to hear response from Littlefire.

    Isofix..was surprise it did not have one since this car is targeted for young family

    ——>>

    they only have one picture that they dare to publish.. no video footage, no result…

    here it is http://paultan.org/photo/Perodua-Alza-Engine-and-…
    and here's how your ALZA will behave, standard spec vs premium spec:
    http://paultan.org/photo/Perodua-Alza-Engine-and-…
    without ABS+EBD your standard spec ALZA will crash into the cone or in real life tree, people, cat, dog, car, bike etc…, with ALZA PREMIUM youre safe, at least you wont hit them.

    without EBD, your ALZA standard spec will have rear wheel lock, thus your car will spin while on ALZA Premium your brake force is automatically adjust between front and back, no wheel lock or spin.

    —————-

    quadlights said, Same engine with avanza? if it tuned differently or improved in terms of power output im ok with it atleast we know the reliability is there. I dunno bout u guys but for me the biggest problem is the name…. why ‘Alza’ laaa

    ——>>

    same engine, different config and diff output (lower).

    ALZA, since theyve been to spain and learned how to speak spanish recently.. sexy latinas…

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  • Hi Paul

    Great post! Have a few question and hope u can help

    1. is the power steering electric?

    2. did the stronger AC blower translate into more noise inside cabin?

    3. can u comment on sound proofing performance on highway?

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  • Anyone wanna sell your relatively new Myvi (to trade with this new mpv) with good price just let me know. Thank you

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    • NOOR RAHMAN on Jun 04, 2010 at 5:29 pm

      i am interested. look forward to your reply. 0122795315

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  • shawal on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:46 am

    1 note worth mentioning, from outside, it doesnt look cheap like most national cars , especially in purple, even in white, it looks like a modern japanese car with modern line, even if its a 'sort-of ova rebadge' jap car, but knowing our own engys are putting a bit of their input, plus built in and by malaysian, this car should do us proud, very much indeed….

    It is an extended myvi , but, who drives around 7 people all the time, and even if so, in that arrangement , i doubt 7 people at the same time would want to go sumwhere and gt groceries. Its either shopping or visiting families , or frens going to cybercafes for LAN parties…, this car nails its target

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  • Littlefire on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:47 am

    Wow… This MPV really trump on those P1 supporter for sure will bash it's engine performance and handling..

    By reading the view by Paul, i would like to say that P2 have improved a lot for their handling and design. Nice said paul, that the design even trumped the Japs! Haha..

    Going to see lots of Perodua MPV on the road for the next few weeks..

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  • Tiu the Proton on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:48 am

    BORING!!!

    GET A LIFE WITH REAL CAR PLS……..

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  • samsudinaffendi on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:50 am

    NICE…COOL….STYLISH…PASSION…tip top for front side, right & left side interior & exterior MPV. But limited space interior at rear MPV…cannot carried more BEG BALIK KAMPUNG… Huhu…

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  • this machine will kill myvi sales i thought..not exora sales..hahahaha..exora will be the winner!

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  • Littlefire on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:52 am

    Besides that, by having a good interior design. It prove that even without a 3rd row air-con, you still have good ventilation.

    More bigger & extra blower, means more energy to waste. I think this Alza prove that air-con vents more doesn't mean that it is efficient. Alza really proved a lot to another competitor.

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  • sick&tired on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:00 am

    BORING!!!!

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  • volks2 on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:01 am

    very expensive car!!!

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  • gigi gan on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:01 am

    the colour is very special…. espiacialy classy purple . The looks oso ok , it looks like myvi 2….that's a great car

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  • aiman_077 (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:07 am

    this P2 machine surely will kill myvi sales..not exora sales..haha..

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  • MazdaAstina on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:08 am

    might consider if i dun get an estima!

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  • looks like many myvi owners will convert to this front clip & lights afterwards haha :P

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  • damak on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:21 am

    nice. perfect for small or young family, since back seat is just for kids.. i'm driving santa fe 5+2 seater.. and the kids just want to play at the back.. (with back seat folded down..)

    wondering what is toyota plan for avanza, since alza and avanza is more or less the same category..

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  • Bas Kilang ALZA on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:25 am

    Myvi – car with small bonnet…
    Alza – Mpw so called mpv with small bonnet..

    The problems with peroldua..they love small bonnet.. and also they love to use small spare tyres since viva.. how come JPJ approve that tyre huh??

    i will say no to peroldua models, except they come with their own design….
    this so called mpv got a lot of safety issue didnt solve by peroldua…

    in peroldua brochure, peroldua already cheat people by giving wrong dimension compared to its competitors…
    peroldua just want money, but not build the technology..

    i think this peroldua mpiwi will become failure liku rusa and NAutica…
    This alza is most suitable to become bas kilang..to angkut labour everyday to kilang…

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  • athlonium on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:28 am

    better buy exora b-line (full 7 seater, more safer and strong chasis (4 star MyVap + and the prove video search on youtube), 1.6 CPS engine, although no ABS +EBD got 1 airbag, big space, nice design exterior, nice design interior) rm57k …

    while perodua alza ( 5 seater + 2 hobbits with "no legs", 100 plus tin chasis (mati cepat), 1.5 engine, no airbag at all, no ABS+EBD too, small space, cramp legroom and headroom), bad plastic (the grey plastic looks so cheap no texture at all) for rm55k (are u kidding me???)

    however its your choice….

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  • mystvearn on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:29 am

    So what you say is, Get this, ditch the Myvi, to fit in 5 people. The 7 people is just for show and in theory will work, but in practice, no adult wants to sit at the last row.

    Also, I'm seeing 3rd row fatigue when you drive long hours like those balik kampung trips. You forgot to mention how is luggage space with the 3rd row up. I'm guessing none, since you can barely fit 2 people's luggage when 3rd row is up. Looks like people need to hold their luggage while balik kampung.

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  • welcome ALZA…better vehicle fitting quality compare to previous P2 models. special thanks to elit team aka QRE for their support in ensuring the fitting quality (body, exterior and interior) meets customer satisfaction.

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  • Bas Kilang ALZA on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:30 am

    So many comments asking peroldua to show their MPiWi crash test..but they afraid to show it…

    My assumption that this MPiWi is totally Tin Milo is true…
    paul, u should try to crash test the MPiWi actually…

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  • ommph on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:33 am

    Wait, i thought they said Alza is an MPV. haha..good joke Perodua.

    You had me there.

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  • WIWIW on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:34 am

    saga air con is strong but noisy if u turn to 3 and above…. but ussually at 2, it will be cool enough for the whole car.

    em… dont know how noisy is when the air con at full swing to make the ppl at the back feel cool? any comment?

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  • Bas Kilang ALZA on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:36 am

    i heard TV3 said peroldua spent RM300 million to create this MPiWi…

    Bullsh*T…. big liar… exora from scratch until become a MPV only rm450million..

    how come this happen?? RM300 million cannot believe…
    maybe they use to visit Japan every weeks to test Passo Sette..

    i like this ALZA??? NO WAY…
    this car same par with Viva… Peroldua should overcome with ViVa Panjang next time..i will buy it..confirm..but not the car..only side mirror…

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  • nabil on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:41 am

    i get the feeling alot of ex myvi owners will get this….sting bigger n more frash…and i tink u will see a rise in 2nd hand myvis in 2nd hand car dealers…

    dono why i cant like this car…thrs noting dramatically wrong with it…bt u kinda know in no time its gonna be everywer…and another myvi-ish boring yoan will occure

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  • Alza the MpiWi on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:42 am

    i heard TV3 said peroldua spent RM300 million to create this MPiWi…

    Bullsh*T…. big liar… exora from scratch until become a MPV only rm450million..

    how come this happen?? RM300 million cannot believe…
    maybe they use to visit Japan every weeks to test Passo Sette..

    i like this ALZA??? NO WAY…
    this car same par with Viva… Peroldua should overcome with ViVa Panjang next time..i will buy it..confirm..but not the car..only side mirror…

    BALIK KAMPUNG..BARANG KENA RIBA… kereta juga MpiWi

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  • Mr little fire, as paul mention, this mpv also underpower eventhough only 5 people on board. just imagine with 7 people up to genting (as p1 basher always says about exora).
    as for throttle response, yes it is better because cps use drive-by-wire throttle (it has throttle lag, i believe so many times being eaplain by many people) versus conventional (outdated maybe) cable throttle (without throttle lag).
    i believe the fair review is exora manual m-line versus alza manual premium (since throttle lag significantly reduced for exora, so u shud start test 7 people on board up to genting Paul, see whose the winner.)

    and since ur comments is too short on isofix, i hope Paul, u asked the p2 engineer or toyota engineer on the isofix, why they neglect it and u shud comments a lot about p2 ignorant of leaving this mpv without isofix since u really mad at proton because of isofix, how can u forgive perodua, its not fair right, Paul.

    ok, it is a nice mpv, and it shud fair with persona enhancement next year. let see whose the better.

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  • kobeng on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:47 am

    haiyaa… you guys who said this is plastic baldi laa.. besen laaa.. tin milo laaa..
    why don't you guys build your own car at your own backyard maa… if you don't have money to buy this car just said so maa.. hahaha

    good effort maa by perodua

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  • emmm…. just to say it look like widened and lengthened Viva :-), anyway thumbs up to Perodua.

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  • mytouch (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:58 am

    coldfusion said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

    Nice one. Been waiting awhile for this already. Its about time. This just might be an Exora-killer.
    _____________________________________________________________________________
    Exora killer? No way dude. Yeap,although this Alza is quite pretty & good looking, but in terms of spacious, Exora is far more better. I agreed with most of the readers that this car is only can be consider as a wagon type sedan car…

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  • Manage to drop by at Perodua showroom on my way back from office. The first thing came accross in my mind was….WOW….great look and cuunn laaa. But after reading PT's review, I had a 2nd thought to owned this so called MPV. After done some basic research on my future MPV (planning to own one), well sadly ALZA had more drawback compared to the EXORA. I do agree with PT's comments, to compare EXORA vs ALZA is not comparing apple to apple. Not in its class.

    Emmm…its looks like EXORA still in the 1st list. Can't wait PT's review on the fuel consumption, performance and others that had not covered in his review.

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  • MyDear on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:08 am

    For those people who want to buy auto for the first time (before this always ride manual only), better dont use this car as ur first auto car. Dangerous.. ;)

    Yup, agree with paul. This car is not suitable for people who want to use it as 7-seater. Even for balik kampung (KL-Seremban) i think u shud think twice. Cannot put baggage for 7 people. Must use Thule at the roof.

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  • redxdevil on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:10 am

    The exterior looks good.

    But as suspected, P2 will always be skimpy on the specs..

    The interior plastic looks very cheap, even compared to P1, but have to see first hand.

    Hmm.. I read about the Exora B-line previously and many people complained on it being just a ‘body with engine’, not safe, bla bla..

    Let see how you describe this Alza?? lol! Simply overpriced!

    No safety features whatsoever unless you pay $60k!

    Really?? At least Exora B-line has one airbag and lotus handling, surely safer!

    You don’t have to love Proton, I don’t, but I hope Malaysian readers be more objective in reviewing cars in the future, not just bashing and bashing..

    ==========================================

    ppl seem doesnt realize that P2 always make an overpriced car!

    i dont own a proton cars but i still think most proton model are FAR worth for your money. higher cc, better tech. bla..bla.. btw good luck all p2 buyers

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  • lolypop (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:12 am

    almost same size as Livina (5 seater> Not Grand Livina), and squeezing 3rd row seat as an alternative to call it "MPVVVVV".. for those don't like the 3rd row, perhaps another strip down version in future.. or change it with ABS/airbag for standard version..

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  • p2 suvcks on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:14 am

    from paul tan

    ". To me, this isn’t an Exora competitor

    but more of a Persona/Waja competitor."

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  • dey apikecik… klu dah suka tu,semua benda nampak bagus dan bermakna @dibaguskan dan diberi makna. haha.

    -not sure if any1 here understand me. dun care!

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  • Now it's the direct fight to Honda Jazz, no more Exora huh?

    Still, i choose Jazz, coz i have $$.

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  • tiwasok (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:23 am

    Just got back from Perodua showroom. It was pack even in this late hour.

    I was curious to why Paul said that this is more of a wagon than an MPV..

    After seeing it myself, yup, it's not an MPV.

    The 3rd row seat was….flat.. I definitely would not want to sit there.

    And the body was quite…how do I put it, 'press-able'? Try pressing it with your thumb. You'll understand what I meant. Thin. It gave me a Viva feeling.

    It does look sporty. But as an MPV? It doesn't belong in that segment.

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  • Rrrrr on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:24 am

    Good enough cooling for 3rd row?? How about 1st row… SEJUK GILER….

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  • Ey_3AT (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:24 am

    In my opinion, Alza looks like a car (A Stretch Myvi).. not an MPV.. btw, the price is quite affordable.. :-)

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:26 am

    Littlefire said,

    Besides that, by having a good interior design. It prove that even without a 3rd row air-con, you still have good ventilation.

    More bigger & extra blower, means more energy to waste. I think this Alza prove that air-con vents more doesn’t mean that it is efficient. Alza really proved a lot to another competitor.

    ——>>

    are you serious? since ALZA doesnt comes with rear air cond vents that it is good? did you know that they just want to cut down their cost? when it comes to other competitors, im sure u will make it an issue.. it proves that someone will suck up everything that P2 throws at them.. :) blindly…

    more vents doesnt mean more energy waste, less vents? yes.. they need to operate their air cond at maximum performance, full speed to make sure that the cold air are spread all over the car. with more vents, you dont have to operate it at maximum performance to reach efficient result.. think about it…

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  • painsama on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:27 am

    As a P2 hater, I'd say this one looks surprisingly good to me.

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  • January on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:27 am

    Who goes around with 7 mid-sized adults always. Good layout for family-man with some small kids. Good for family man with lots of luggage (3rd seats folded). Don't need 2 cars, just one Alza. Exora is an out-and-out MPV, Alza is a smart car not an MPV. If you are a taxi operator or a tour guide, an Exora is your choice. But for the time-being the Alza is for the timid, kiasu family man who makes just enough to go to PD once in a while. Alza is both Myvi and Exora killer. Probably even Persona, Vios and City too?

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  • Car Joke on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:27 am

    Pergi Spore – how to seat in 3rd row ! Sampai sana kaki CACAT

    Kalau accident, 3rd row – HABIS penyek !

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  • Ey_3AT (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:27 am

    In my opinion, Alza looks like a car (a stretch Myvi which comes with a different style).. it is not an MPV.. btw, the price is quite affordable.. :-)

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  • GeramHati on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:31 am

    tak payah cakap apa apa sini, tengok sales nanti tahu siapa jadi sojai lor.

    Memang exora besar dan berenjin 1.6 tapi berat 1400++kg

    Memang Alza kecil tapi cukup for 1.5 berat 1150kg

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

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  • tikus (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:32 am

    Why call Alza in Spanish, They should call it "Naik" in Bahasa to show support in Our Mother Bahasa .

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  • bmpower on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:33 am

    Paul ! Did they do test Genting climb? Like SZ of P1 do?

    " My friend said, they tested 2 unit Alza on genting, but you know what? Their engine is blow just near Aminudin Baki entrance hahaha! , The other one only reach Awana resort only. Not top of genting. hahahaha some more "

    – ps / hint.. the phase quote above is just like what p1 basher always do = they pretend they a tester/owner of the car etc to make people believe what they do. :D

    SURELY, THIS ONE UNDERPOWER cannot climb to Genting!. If you dare to lose your gearbox and engine, try lah.

    CRASH TEST? their crash test video on the way btw.. " my insider friend told, they hiring a 3D designer to make a fake crash test video BTW…. "

    – ps/ in quote again. :D

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  • TopGear on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:34 am

    What the hell is this ?

    Perodua given MPV a new name today

    MPV – My Pathetic Vehicle

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  • I definitively go fro Exora! More space and power. want more power wait till p1 introduce 18/2.0 engine..

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  • alansmithz (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:43 am

    Alza will steal Myvi, Persona, Waja, Livina, Jazz & not to forget Exora sale.

    Here is the advantage of Alza as compare to Exora:

    1) Better power to weight ratio than Exora (Exora 272kg heavier!!)

    2) Due to it's compact size. suitable for housewife who dread driving/parking a monster like Exora:)

    3) Suitable for guy who can use it for daily office trip & weekend hanging out with family or friends. I am sure the fuel consumption when drive alone is almost like those who drive Waja!!

    If u have 7 grown up family members who still live together in the same house, go buy Exora!!

    If u are a housewife with kids, who dread parking a monster size mpv (i.e Exora, Chery Eastar etc) , then Alza is not bad:)

    For guy who drive like a racer, Exora boleh?!?

    For guy who hate driving behind big car (i.e lorry, big mpv & bus) but prefer a smaller car that come with higher driving position, Alza is ok:) Exora also ok:)

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  • Engineer on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:46 am

    I was at the Shah Alam showroom just now. It was packed like sardin can. paultan.org definitely is a better place to view the car. Thanks for Paul to have this website and some brief review.

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  • GeramHati on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:51 am

    ya longer version of Myvi or Viva. so what lebih cantik dari banyak kereta –

    like the Tai Kow Sui . 1.6 tak cukup power sampai nak turbo…

    For those who bought exora, gen2…sorry lah kena rugi abit wakakakkakakkakakkakaka

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  • mat tongkol on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:54 am

    compare to lorry is better lorry la…lg luas….. nak njin power beli ferari ker….

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  • redxdevil on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:56 am

    alza is totally rubbish.

    if u wan drive like sedan then buy persona

    if u wan space then go for exora

    if u wan power then go for gen2

    btw

    if u are girls then buy myvi

    if u are dun care about wasting money on mpv look a like then buy alza

    peace

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  • come on ar..p2 dont have their own design…bullshit ar..what kind the design follow other's model..kasi ar pening sikit pikir model/design baru..jgn ar amik design Daihatsu@Toyota…mendalah…2 sent

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  • mduan on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:14 am

    BMPower said ..

    Paul ! Did they do test Genting climb? Like SZ of P1 do?

    ” My friend said, they tested 2 unit Alza on genting, but you know what? Their engine is blow just near Aminudin Baki entrance hahaha! , The other one only reach Awana resort only. Not top of genting. hahahaha some more ”

    – ps / hint.. the phase quote above is just like what p1 basher always do = they pretend they a tester/owner of the car etc to make people believe what they do. :D

    SURELY, THIS ONE UNDERPOWER cannot climb to Genting!. If you dare to lose your gearbox and engine, try lah.

    CRASH TEST? their crash test video on the way btw.. ” my insider friend told, they hiring a 3D designer to make a fake crash test video BTW…. ”

    – ps/ in quote again. :D

    —————————————————————

    Well said BMPower. It reminds me the way how bashers bash P1 and pretend that they have insiders who tested exora.. haha

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  • Tiadaid on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:34 am

    GeramHati said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

    —————————-

    Duduk kat pedalaman Sabah ke? Kat KL ni dah berlambak Exora atas jalan, ape yang sukar dijumpainya?

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  • just visited the showroom just now… i have to say that Exora is much better than Alza in terms of Built quality and space… But i prefer Alza interior design… And also the dash board air cond dial is a little flimsy to be frank… and also the door seems like there's no sound proof pading in it because when i sit int he car, someone else knock on the door from outside and i can hear very hollow sound… Unlike exora, they have sound proof padding all over the doors…

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  • Hindun Ariffin on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:42 am

    For those who are stupid about MPV ..get out and move away….don't view or touch the vehical…you only kutuk and kutuk and then bikin stupid story of orang malaysia.P2 is a bussiness minded..$$$$$ and do everything…..the money is on your hands….otak you gunakan…lah…why bodoh sangat….balik indon lah….????????he…he…..he…he….

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  • Hindun Ariffin on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:46 am

    u people don't know anything lah…just buy …rosak g repair…sc banyak…

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  • libralcl on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:46 am

    I saw the door handler inside is with chrome finish (Premium model)? Or it just grey/silver colour handler?

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  • Cheong on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:54 am

    A very sad day for me as one of P2 legion of hardcore supporter indeed..

    Alza better design than exora my foot!!

    This alza is nothing more than a stretch myvi!! Kinda remind me of a higher kancil called kembara. Come on la perodua, i expect you to do better than this! At least try to be better than the shitty P1 la!! P2 certainly wasted hundreds of millions RM just to copy the toyota passo sette design and simply plonk in the old avanza engine and walla only this ugly looking car with cheapo plastic material you can come out with???? I really had wasted my bloody time waiting for the launch of P2 MPV with high hope but can only get this underpowered and very expensive car with such minimal or no safety feature at all! DAMN! I'm really pissed off! P2 really disappoint me big time!! As much as I hate P1, P2 is definitely going down the drain with this kind of direction.

    FFS please sack the current P2 CEO and bring back Syed Zainal Abidin to P2 at all cost!! Very disappointing!!!

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  • dawsoN on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:55 am

    first look…very nice mpv..oppss car.second look..its just a normal car and very similar with myvi but slightly longger..i prefer exora premium ,come with full leather seat some more.but my caldina gt-4 still the best…awesome!!

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  • saw the car at klcc convention centre. the advanced model cost extra 6k compare with premium but personally i don't think it worth the value. premium model should be the best choice to purchase.

    rather than that, the car looks fine. the only short coming is as paul said, the luggage space is too small. need to sacrify the 3rd row of the seat.

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  • kerelbort on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:02 am

    P2 shud really market it as a 7 seater wagon than an MPV… and start his own market..

    good that they have lotsa cup holder. a big must in a car who turn out ambitious enuff to be an MPV…

    look nicer than their Japanese counterpart… quality wise can't compare it yet… from the diagram look like the reinforcement are done more on the side, actually can't understand that much? what does that yellow and blue colored steel means? does it means anything or just a colorful presentation of the car itself?

    any reinforcement in the door itself?

    nice design from P2… and 300mil is because P2 involve from the start of the project…

    nice to see continuity of myvi to alza… P2 must try hard to create its own identity

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  • Desmond Ho on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Nice 1 !!!

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  • Murugesan on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:11 am

    BORING + UGLY + CRAMPED + EXPENSIVE + DANGEROUS = STUPID ALZA + OWNERS

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  • Murugesan on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:11 am

    BORING + UGLY + CRAMPED + EXPENSIVE + DANGEROUS = STUPID ALZA + ALZA OWNERS + P2 TEAM

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  • Maserati on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:11 am

    Idiots.Alza will still triumph in term of sales.This is no doubt!

    How come got so many ppl asking for crash test? Is that the best you guys can come up with?!!

    Why,Alza is too nice until the best you can come up with is "SHOW ME THE CRASH TEST"?

    Ran out of ideas to bash P2 already? NOOBS!

    OBTW,to proton fans out there,I dont think your stupid proton cars have crash test.The best oso 3 star for Waja if i not mistaken.Exora 4 stars?But weird,you guys seem to be driving like Bas3rds on the road…hmmmmm…

    Neo crash test how many stars?!! Is there even a crash test on this piece of junk?!

    Whether or not got crash test ,if I give you a 5 star rating car,if you are an ASSHOLE on the road,you will still die ,get it? Sore losers..

    Proton ,wake up and stop making cars that will benefit the hardcore racers in the country with all those stupid LOTUS engineering bullcrap.

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  • Murugesan on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:15 am

    BORING + UGLY + CRAMPED + EXPENSIVE + DANGEROUS = STUPID ALZA + OWNERS + P2 LAZY TEAM

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  • bobtahar (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Its now way an MPV… somehow feel like P2 "tangkap muat" the 3rd row… if to have the 3rd row always fold down… where to put/throw the headrest? I believe Toyota sette dont have head rest for the 3rd row. You have to "bersila" if you sit in 3rd row.

    No aircond vents at the back???? Good circulation is not good if you have the driver who "tak tahan" sejuk….

    But I like the design….

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  • irnik on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:18 am

    after reading this review, one thing strikes up my mind…

    but i waited to finish reading the comments first (to see if anyone has the same thought as mine)…

    aren't the wheels look small for its body? (as what i think of viva for its wheels)

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  • harmza on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:20 am

    tak payah cakap apa apa sini, tengok sales nanti tahu siapa jadi sojai lor.

    Memang exora besar dan berenjin 1.6 tapi berat 1400++kg

    Memang Alza kecil tapi cukup for 1.5 berat 1150kg

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

    ——————————————–

    did u live at rural area or island? every road at malaysian can see the exora.

    do you blind or blinders? ha ha ha

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  • skiborne on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:23 am

    i think i saw a difference between auto and manual version, of course da transmission, then the parking brake, with auto ull get the "kaki" type rather than other msian cars' conventional parking brake that must be operated using ur hand.

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  • tiwasok on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:24 am

    kerelbort said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 1:02 am

    nice design from P2… and 300million is because P2 involve from the start of the project…

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    What? 300mil because P2 was involved from the start of the project?

    What project? designing bumper? And that cost 300million? It's not even a new engine. Just an old Avanza's engine with minor mod which actually result in lower power compared to Avanza.

    And it cost 300 million?

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  • lanpapalan on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:31 am

    anytime exora m over all specs.

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  • Car, mpv, wagon,hearse,ambulance,…LOL whatever it is!

    Yeah agreed, it looks nice BUT let me ask you this Perodua.

    Is this your very OWN 100% in house design and development?

    No, I don't think so. I can only see about 8% of yours here with this thing..

    What, you still can't create your own design because you afraid it will go ugly? Afraid that your company will go kaput, like Proton almost did? Are you out of your damn idea? Come on lah Perodua, GROW UP, Please!

    Yes you can still rely on Toyota and Daihatsu, but like I said since long time ago, come up with something almost different on the outside! At your current technology, is it something really hard thing to do?

    I'm still consider this thing as an import rather than in country development…

    It's a shame, seriously.

    Sad…am I supposed to be proud with our so-called Malaysian auto maker? :(

    I think I cannot.

    Sorry Perodua, I'm still not proud with you.

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  • Tiadaid said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:34 am

    GeramHati said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

    ——-

    perodua nautica lg susah nak jumpa….hehehe….

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  • malaysian car like rubbish!

    money from rakyat no 1!

    quality for rakyat no 10!

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  • person on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:41 am

    (1)

    "Just buy the Premium version to make sure you get all the necessary safety equipment. But if you are looking for an alternative to the Exora or any other MPV, you’ll have to think twice if you need it to fit 7 adults."

    YEP….U MUST BUY PREMIUM TO GET ALL SAFETY EQUIPMENT.

    AND IF AN MPV CANNOT FIT 7 ADULTS,..JUST GO BUY CHEAPER CAR laaa..

    ____

    (2)

    EXORA got this crash test which paul review in before at

    > http://paultan.org/2009/04/17/proton-exora-crash-…

    but where the hell is ALZA crash test?

    if you got your mum,dad,brother,sister,girlfriend,and bla3 inside your tin milo, it would be soooooo damn bad.

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  • JACK HAMMER on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:47 am

    to proton basher..

    please comment about basic Alza safety features:

    No ABS

    No EBD

    No SRS airbags

    No this

    & no that..

    basher sure bash kaw-kaw to basic exora (which has better features than this stupid Alza)

    suddenly when it come to P2 'ripoff wagon' they said..

    Nice! Superb! CHAMPION!… prfffft…

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  • kutuberahak on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:53 am

    kete ni macam ketam jer…masuk dalam jadi sardin, 104hp nk bwk 7 org??! aku punya lovely exora 125hp pun meraung naik genting mgu lps tapi blh lambai livina le sbb livina tak pakai livita!!ni pulak 104hp. anyway yr money yr choice..

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  • NoNoP2 on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:02 am

    for sure P2 gain huge profit for each sale of this toyota car.

    damn!

    btw, 300mil for this car's development??? P2 used that much for front/rear bumpers & headlamp development?? crazy..

    maybe half of it is used for travelling purpose..so all the P2 'Engine Nears' can go holiday around OSAKA & KOBE

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  • REBADGE on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:19 am

    its a rebadge car. nothing to be proud of. 300juta for the cars development is a joke. should be rm30, buy p2 badge at Brothers.

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  • here in M'sia we pay up to RM70k/US20k for a rebadged matchbox car, and many would say its 'very affordable'. P2 boss said the car is 90% M'sian, so is the engine assembled here? with local components?. Third world income but cars a 3 time the actual price..what is going on man!!??

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  • matvtec (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:47 am

    Good looking albeit another rebadged Toyota offered by Perodua.Anyway I have to agree with Paul-this is not an MPV, more like a wagon. 3rd row useful only when direly needed otherwise it is better to remain as a 5-seater. Practicality and space-Exora is much better(except poor engine choice). BTW between Alza and Exora-it is better not to compare 'like to like' because between these two-only buyer's need and affordability will determine his/her choice plus what he/she will be getting for something below RM70K. And I dare Perodua to produce something of their own(no more rebadging or cloning)…Tuan Syed Proton has done that and ORIGINALITY ALWAYS COUNTS..

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  • well i do agree with paul that this car is suited to be more like a wagon than an mpv unless there are only children sitting in the 3rd row.

    BUT look at the price. you are paying 63k for a 5 seater wagon with a 1.5 liter engine? imho that is utter b**lshit. even for the basic specs+no safety equipment of 56k for the manual version is too expensive.

    IMHO for rm55k you could get the proton persona high line. you can get a car with a bigger engine and also comparable(if not more) boot space. Plus better handling.

    I think this car is good for young family with 4 kids or so but not that relevant for people who are looking to upgrade from their myvi and saga. It feels like a car that tries to do too much but then does not excel in becoming an MPV or a sedan replacement. Its just an overpriced japanese copycat…

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  • i dont talk about crash test proton good or bad here.but proton did put the effort in engineering one, sending them off for crash test etc. but no ncap yet.

    RM300 million in RnD ? exora spend RM450 million. what sort of RnD perodua needs here when it is 70-80% engineered by toyota. and it has been proven ok since it has been on the japanese road 1 year ago !

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  • i am not against toyota or perodua usually but their pricing which doesnt involve engineering much but the price is still that high is clearly something disappointing.

    it is a weird positioned car but it is a cheerful car. something like the successor of Nissan Ad Resort.

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  • mengQ on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Just giving my own humble review here, after coming back from Perodua showroom Sri Petaling branch…

    Showroom was full of people even at 10.30pm. I saw 3 variants :

    . The Basic SX Manual – Ebony Black

    . The Premium SXi Auto – Classy Purple

    . The ADV version Auto – Ivory White*with bodykit, GPS and reverse parking camera, leather seats*

    The exterior of the car really catches my eyes, i like it, especially the front. The rear… not so, macam tiba-tiba no more backside.

    Anyway, i don't think people should compare this with Exora, both are in the different 'level'.

    I went straight to the ADV version one(croweded with people), wait for a Uncle before me to get down from the car, then i sat inside. Hey, not bad at all, the steering wheel wrapped in leather, with audio volume and phone answering control buttons on the left spoke. Don't really fancy the look of the steering wheel… macam shape of spanner…

    Other then that…Very nice dashboard design! Better then Exora's design i think.

    The buttons gives very good response, nice feeling pressing it, the dashboard was solid and neat, reminds me of the one in Estima.

    Foot-step leveling parking brake, macam Estima, Alphard, Merz and all =) The gear knob is at the right place and level, feel much more comfortable to operate when the armrest is down. Foot operated-parking brake and gear shift level on instrument panel is only available for Auto, those in manual just look exactly like what Myvi manual has now.

    Seats in leather, kinda comfort for a bigass like me, with seat leveling (only on driver side). Get down from the car…the "THUD" when closing the door comfirm more solid then any other Perodua cars ever made. Trust me, it's much more solid.

    Then i went to the 2nd row of seat, cupholders for the rear passengers was built in to the armrest, with side pocket at the bottom. Im 175cm tall, no problem for me, decent amount of legroom, don't expect a corridor for you to go in and out lah.

    And then i climbed to the 3rd row of seat… Hmm, ok, gotta admit it was a bit hard for me to climb into it, need a little more effort, just like how you climb to the backseat of a Satria Neo, just a little bit higher. Alright, me – 175cm, 75kgs, no problem, can fit another one more 'me' by myside. Legroom? NGAM-NGAM, at least wont sentul the front seat, left a space of 2 inch. Get the picture?

    Next, the boot space… Haha, nothing to be proud of here, with all the seats put right up, you left only half of an empty Myvi boot space, means 13inch depth. School bag boleh letak 4, 5 biji la…

    So, i don't think you can balik kampung with this Alza packed with 7 fully grown adults, cause you won't have any more space left for luggage, unless you 'ta-pau' all your baju in plastic bags lah, haha…

    But, if only 5 person? Yes, just fold down the 3rd row of seat/bench, then you can happy-happy balik kampung without 'ta-pau' all your baju in plastic bags.

    Hey, by the way, the 'bench' isn't that uncomfortable like what some of you guys say la, ok mah, at least got headrest…

    Test drive only available for people who already placed bookings. I 1st tumpang someone other people to be the passenger, then, somehow, i managed to get a chance to drive! =D

    Conclusion after being a passenger + driver :

    SUPERB!

    Power : Very good, with 4, then 6 adults in the car. The car still picks-up from acceleration. Similar like Myvi la, but this one more stable and quiet. Not much noise from engine even when revved to 4000 – 5000rpm. Maybe it's new, thats why.

    Handling & ride : Comfort for both driver & passenger, 3rd row not as bumpy as Avanza, but somehow some might feel the suspensions are too soft?? The car can take small hole easily. Cornering is stable, at least more stable then stock Myvi.

    Dashboard : Nice nice nice design. The blue backlite looks cool.

    There was this guy who tested the car full with 7 person on board says it was great and he still can feel the pick-ups when accelerate, then when straight in to the showroom and place his booking.

    Talk to a few young man and uncles, the feedbacks were 90% positives.

    This concludes my humble review. =)

    * 1030 bookings from all over Malaysia were placed so far after the official launching at 6pm. According to the branch manager.

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  • Remember this Perodua,

    Next time you build something, please came up with something totally different. At least on the exterior. It's ok to have DNA from Toyota or Daihatsu or whatever it is on the inside BUT the most important is your very own body design, different shape whatsoever and not based-on body shape with some minor change. It's for your own identity!!

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  • Giant on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:37 am

    for me, im rather to buy exora compare to this alza. im 120 kg with 190 cm, if i sit at 3rd row of this car what will be happen, consider mpv for big, big, big one. but this "mpv" version look like for small ppl only.

    But for me, good job p2, xleast ppl can compared before their buy mpv. (malaysia car only)..

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    lo said,

    i dont talk about crash test proton good or bad here.but proton did put the effort in engineering one, sending them off for crash test etc. but no ncap yet.

    wait until Exora is on sale in Europe, then u will see the result. remember, EURO NCAP conduct test for cars AVAILABLE in their market.

    ——————

    GL3n said,

    Remember this Perodua,

    Next time you build something, please came up with something totally different. At least on the exterior. It’s ok to have DNA from Toyota or Daihatsu or whatever it is on the inside BUT the most important is your very own body design, different shape whatsoever and not based-on body shape with some minor change. It’s for your own identity!!

    Mom T and Dad D didnt give permission for lil junior P2 to change their body shape.. they only allowed Jr P2 to change cloth and put on some bling2.. too much money wasted for a new body shape.. they want money, not charity work.

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  • saki77 on Nov 24, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Is there anywhere we can find Paul Tan's list of what the basic Alza is lacking of…like what paul did to the basic Exora?…

    eg.. No this…

    No that…

    the list goes on…

    No ABS, EBD…?

    If theres none, i think Paul also bias in his report….also, that kind of report that provoke readers to put some harsh comments on Exora (I'm not a Proton fans, just i think that its not fair writing) thus lead to all the maki-hamun…Also the ISOFIX….not much about that in Alza….

    Sorry Paul, i really, really, really like your blog, but lately somewhere. somewhat it seems to lost it purpose…

    Just my two cents…

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  • zaeidos on Nov 24, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    nice car,

    nice dashboard,

    nice wagon,

    nice 5seater,

    not so nice 7seater,

    see??? premium version only got abs,lol~

    if family of 5,can picnic inside and got spacious bootspace

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  • Paul Tan on Nov 24, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    saki77: Please point out to me what part of my report above is biased or unfair.

    I wasn't trying to provoke anything with the Exora Basic story, I put it that way because it was easier to read, as in what it doesn't have rather than what it has. Don't turn everything into a conspiracy.

    While you are accusing me of provoking people into 'maki' Proton over here, just yesterday there was a another commenter who accused me of having a "deal" with Proton for their products to look good. So which is which, I wonder? Honestly I feel that to most people, any opinion that doesn't agree with theirs is deemed biased.

    I've already made noise once about the importance of ISOFIX in the Exora story. I think readers get it. The fact that you're bringing it up here means that you are now aware of the importance of ISOFIX. So I don't find that repeating myself is necessary. But anyway for your convenience, I have added a reference link to the story.

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  • iwan dani on Nov 24, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    I went to see the car last night. Only the deluded (or those high on designer drug) will see this as an MPV. This is more of a wagon than anything else. However, the P2 salesman who showed me the car tried to angle the Alza as an alterntive to Exora, even when the Alza looks small enough to fit inside the Exora. He kept on bashing the Exora. Bad move: I'm a proud owner of an Exora and knew that whatever he's claiming about the Exora is bullsh*t.

    The wife likes the Alza though. Wife wants a Myvi, but i told her to wait for the Alza first as it my be more practical with the additional space. 1st impression is good. It does look small enough to be easy to drive and park. After years of Kelisa ownership, she prefer things small and the Alza doesn't look that much bigger than our Kelisa. As most of her driving takes place on the NSE and NKVE at 100-115km/h, we reckon that the Alza may even better the Kelisa's fuel consumption (which is already very good).

    Next week we are going for a test drive. That should tell us more.

    We went home concluding that Alza is no match for Exora, Avanza, Citra and Livina. It's much too useless (where space is concerned) to even bother comparing it with 'real' MPVs.

    However, as a poor man's alternative to the Honda Jazz, the Alza is superb (thanks to protectionist tax which favours P2 over Honda)…and that may just clinch the deal or us.

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  • z21 said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 1:36 am

    Tiadaid said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:34 am

    GeramHati said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

    100 cc untuk bergerak 290KG? Tengok sudah tahu lah april sampai sekarang exora sukar dijumpai. katanya sudah jual lebih dari10K wakakakkakakakak

    tipu diri sendiri.

    ko yg menipu diri sendiri…ko nie tak penah kuar dari rumah mane nk jumpa…

    duk dalam umah mcm mak dara…hahahahaha

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  • iwan dani on Nov 24, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Saki77,

    You're talking through your bottom mouth when you claim Paul Tan is biased. In fact, paultan.org is instrumental in changing my perception of Proton. This is where I go for the latest updates on Proton and Proton should thank Paul for turning me from a Proton basher to a Proton user.

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  • the price is right …

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  • sir s on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    For me, Alza can be call as micro MPV… too small to call MPV, quite large to call a car… If I buy this car, I will consider this car as 5 seater car… I will never use the back seat unless it is necessary…. The back seat I'll flip it to put all the baggage. That's all… Overall, ok laa… nice look but not good for 7 adult people… to cramp… good luck perodua…

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  • biggiebro on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    no teh tarik hook? its a great help on the last trip with exora.

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  • dear all !

    not bad mpv frm P2. But I love my Naza Citra 2.0 coz very comfort,large, powerful engine n etc…….. which I bought 6 months ago.Only rm 60,500 , he smartest buy ever.

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  • Correction

    dear all !

    not bad mpv frm P2. But I love my Naza Citra 2.0 coz very comfort,large, powerful engine n etc…….. which I bought 6 months ago.Only rm 60,500 , the smartest buy ever.

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  • mitlanevo on Nov 24, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Exora rules…

    Paul, just ignore those silly ppl lah, don't waste ur time argue with them…

    ur articles are simply GREAT !!!

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  • ommph on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    For me, Alza can be call as micro MPV… too small to call MPV, quite large to call a car… If I buy this car, I will consider this car as 5 seater car… I will never use the back seat unless it is necessary…. The back seat I’ll flip it to put all the baggage. That’s all… Overall, ok laa… nice look but not good for 7 adult people… to cramp… good luck perodua…

    Otherwise, you can call ALza by the usual term…..A WAGON. hehe

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  • ommph on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    For me, Alza can be call as micro MPV… too small to call MPV, quite large to call a car… If I buy this car, I will consider this car as 5 seater car… I will never use the back seat unless it is necessary…. The back seat I’ll flip it to put all the baggage. That’s all… Overall, ok laa… nice look but not good for 7 adult people… to cramp… good luck perodua…

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Dear Above,

    Otherwise, you can call ALza by the usual term…..A WAGON. hehe

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    I would see it as a Wagon with 2 emergency jump seats. Its still considered an MPV for all intents and purposes.

    Very much like what Toyota positioned the Sette, a 4+2 wagon.

    Seriously, few of us have the need to fill up 7 seats all the time. A smaller vehicle will yeild better overall fuel consumption since at most times, it only has 1 or 2 people. I could see my wife would like something like this as the midsizers have rubbed up as "too large" for her.

    I've been cross shopping between the Rondo, Exora, Recon Wish and even the Eastar. All are good, with thier own flaws. The Rondo with badly designed 2nd row seats, the Exora with an engine not matching its weight and size, and the Wish with the price and future surviceablility.

    This throws a good alternative to the mix.

    I've been waiting to see how this Alza would turn out. I may still decide on the Rondo or Wish but the important thing is, choice is always good.

    But one thing's for sure. How much more could it cost for them to put in ISOFIX points?????? Its just a piece of metal hoop welded to the seat backs.Thats really stupid cost saving measures.Same applies to Naza and Proton. Idiots. These are FAMILY vehicles. Suposely bought so we can "protect" out little precious ones.

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  • nemo88 on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    alza..isn't msian product..p2 just a proxy..

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  • nemo88 on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    alza is'nt msian proud..P2 just a proxy..why local vendor cant give the best quality to P1??

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  • litespeed on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Paul Tan is not biasedlah. Only the ISOFIX is a bit over the top. The ISOFIX mounts are all fine and dandy, and costs an arm and a leg to develop. However the real issue here is the ISOFIX child seats themselves- they cost a bomb! Last time I check in UK it costs well over 100 quids. Imagine what's the price here. Nothing less than RM2000 I reckon. I mean, for the Proton and Perodua buyer demographics, these buggers would rather buy a kapchai than a fancy ISOFIX child seat. The conventional Sweet Cherry type can be bought at RM100 or less ma…

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  • scottloeb on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Great car nonetheless. Will steal the market from sedan (esp Persona, Waja, Vios, Forte) and some hatch (Swift, MyVi) and younger potential Exora driver. You'll see young MILF driving this, soccer mums driving Exora. And MILFs always trumps soccermums, rite?

    I'll consider to put my DP for the premium A/T instead of Honda City perhaps.

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  • pakcikbeskal on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Automotive_Critics said,

    "…. Just nice but the problem only its price. In Japan boon luminas with much higher spec 6 airbags just sells at RM44K. Here superbasic at RM57K. Development cost is lesser than P1. Why sells that high? The authority should really looks on this scam wannabe by Japan.So many profit aa i guess more than RM20K/unit. WOW this year P2 engineer will get 5month bonus."

    ya lor! haha. ….that's why lor. extra tax lor… still blind? …people first… haha

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  • morgirls... on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    x lawa doe…………..

    tiru exora …………..

    bengong…produa………

    ade otak x nak pikir……..nak tiru x abis……….

    ceh……bukan lawa sangat pon….alza………….

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  • scottloeb on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    ISOFIX is EU standard. Kita beli Graco, tak dak ISOFIX jugak. Mothercare punya child seat pon still tadak ISOFIX. The best is idiot yg bawak kereta kat highway sambil anak dia duk atas riba pegang steering. Mmg CHAMPION.

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  • learner on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    i think this car is overpriced. with so many 'no' it is priced almost the same with persona h-line which so many 'yes'. 'no' and 'yes' i refer to the availability of the airbag, ABS, etc. of cause either 'no' or 'yes' still got limit for both p1 and p2 (i don't you guys understand what i said or not?).

    comparing alza with exora is not a wise decision if you have many choice of car within the same price bracket, but i malaysia people can change mind from buying sedan to mpv or to hatchback just because they are similarly priced. that is why i think at some extend comparing exora to alza is not really a guilty. just like people comparing myvi with saga with persona which all in different segments but myvi price ranging from saga to persona.

    by looking with b-line exora which become the 'national guilty' in the b-line topic, i think exora is still better than the standard alza because still got the driver airbag and pre-tensioner belts even though a few rm higher than alza but in term of the size, that price different is justified.

    some how i think saga se with driver airbag and driver and front passenger pre-tensioner belts priced at rm42 to rm45k is better than the overpriced standard alza. sorry by comparing orange to apple, but as many forumers said, alza is not really a mpv, even PT said this is more like sedan competitor.

    what i can see, the launching of alza only give pain to the heart of current myvi owners as they may think that alza is better than myvi. i think if this is true, alza will jeopardize its own 'family members'.

    please don't bash me, i don't use any fault language here, just my opinion.

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  • ahmad on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    pilihan yang bijak utk mereka yang punyai 4 orang anak..

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  • kakibangku on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    1 question…..where the spare tyre…..inside???

    answer….no…it's under………..huahahaha …macam van!!

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  • mpv besaq untuk orang berduit banyak

    mpv kecik (Alza) untuk orang berduit sikit….tapi memang tak berbaloi

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  • azrai on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    This Paul words is to be taken seriously "There is a bee sting antenna located towards the rear of the roof but towards the left rear instead of being positioned smack in the middle. Perodua says this is so that the owner will be able to flip the antenna down when required easily as compared to if it was in the middle." So why don't P2 put it at the right side instead of the left side because the driver is at the right side? Hahaha. Kantoi one.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Trully overprice. Why Government can approve this selling price?

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  • Anyone know which is MPV1, MPV2 and MPV3 ?

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  • alldisc on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    FWD, 2750mm and 1,150kg kerb weight is simply one great recipe for a vehicle that seats 7.

    i went to a P2 showroow yesterday and was caught by surprise at how good the car is.

    12 cupholders mean its definitely one car for those who love to drink and [S]drive[/S] travel.

    somehow, it will suit well to a small family but never for 2 types of people:-

    1. any driver below 5 foot high

    2. any one above 5 foot high wanting to seat in the rear. i dont think he can last for even 10 minutes.

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    scottloeb said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 8:54 am

    ISOFIX is EU standard. Kita beli Graco, tak dak ISOFIX jugak. Mothercare punya child seat pon still tadak ISOFIX. The best is idiot yg bawak kereta kat highway sambil anak dia duk atas riba pegang steering. Mmg CHAMPION.

    Not sure which chapalang Graco you bought. Mine has them, but they are called LATCH (since Graco is US brand). Works the same way or mounts to the same ISOFIX locations. Important thing, it works the same. The Recaro's I wanted to buy also has both LATCH and ISOFIX. But yeah, they are costly, my child's Graco travel system cost $1300, the Recaro's are $1700.

    Now here's the rub. The imported seats are subject to 30% import duty. So blame the goverment if anything we have non-affordable good child seats. Its like the government slapping on hugh duties on helmets and then "encourage" people to use them.

    But I agree, anak di depan memang champion.

    But whatever the case, we can change child seats over a short period of time (and they are cheap, relatively speaking to the car), but the average ownership of a car is 7-10 years. ISOFIX and LATCH isn't something that can be retrofitted, its a SIN not to include them, since they don't cost much.

    That said, Iwan Dani's comment makes the most sense here.

    The Alza isnt meant to compete directly with the midsizers. I'm sure there is a market for someone that thinks a Myvi is too small, and everything else is too expensive.

    I could expect it to compete directly not so much with the Exora but with the B-C segment cars (like the Persona, Latio, Vios….). And for what its worth, the Grand Livina isn't really that much bigger but a whopping 25K more.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    azrai said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 9:32 am

    This Paul words is to be taken seriously “There is a bee sting antenna located towards the rear of the roof but towards the left rear instead of being positioned smack in the middle. Perodua says this is so that the owner will be able to flip the antenna down when required easily as compared to if it was in the middle.” So why don’t P2 put it at the right side instead of the left side because the driver is at the right side? Hahaha. Kantoi one.

    ———

    I don't think any problem with this. It's better to put at left side e.g the fuel lid is better to put at left side rather at driver side coz it difficult to open drivers door when refuelling. I notice most Japs have fuel lid at left side compare to Proton on right side. Continental i don't know. Japs is more user friendly in term of design overall.

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  • already check out the car last nite… quite small leh…

    because of the size, i think totally cannot consider already…. sigh….

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    And interestingly, I can fit cheap, standard and common sized 195/50/15 tyres on it wihtout too much difference in speedo variance when the originals wear out.

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  • Don't compare Exora with Alza. I test drived Exora before but booked the Alza yesterday. Reason? Price, affordability, comfort, sizeability and up to date. It's park brake even follows those of German made vehicles. It has a comfortable armrest. I am 170cm tall with turban, I still can sit at the third row without much discomfort. P1 & P2 airconditioning are very good, there is no extra air conditioning vents needed where Alza is concerned.

    Exora was a good deal too, just that it was a bit pricey (due to various taxes).

    Remember, Alza uses the same fuel saving engine as Vios. And this engine has never given problems. Consider that.

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  • swiftmatrix on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    I went to P2 showroom Subang Perdana last night…Not surprisingly many people there…The salesman was very nice to me explaining about this Alza…

    I'm impress.. until I ask him about Alza competativeness between Exora vs Alza..He can't answer me properly… The only thing he can say was "This is Toyota technology….. not like Proton"…Sigh.. I'm expecting better answer than that…

    I do support P1 & P2 though I don't have any of them in my garrage..

    But, I do believe that both P1 & p2 are targeting different market… For me Exora is the real MPV and and Alza is more on station wagon.. Both are good product though P2 should do better on their pricing….

    Overall, I feel that this Alza will capture certain market share but will not significantly affecting Exora territory.

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  • alldisc on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Myvi = not an actual word

    Alza = Spanish word, but nice!

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  • alldisc on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Myvi = not really a word

    Alza = Spanish word, but nice!

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    berduit kecik pun boleh pakai mpv besar apa….tambah 2k dapat based exora…got extra airbag (compare to alza heheeh)…

    once bought, no need to think about getting other car..

    alza 7 seater?…2 + 3 +2 ka?..aiyohhh..2nd row can fit 3 adults comfortably ka?…test la exora 2nd row…u'll be amazed…no need to 'squeze yr shoulder..

    better get proper sedan…

    to GeramHati….where do u live?..Pulau Raya ka?

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  • BEARING on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    BEAUTIFULL~~~NO KOMEN…HEHEHE…

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  • ahwee on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    i don't like malaysia car………

    better imported one for safety…..think about it

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  • learner on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    i wonder why PT removed my posting? one time i can see my posting and now the posting is gone? i don't bash alza anyway only giving constructive opinion. is there any possibility that p2 people who doing surveillance at this blog asking PT to delete my post?

    what i said earlier is that alza is overpriced especially the standard version which is priced at rm55k with so many 'no' compare to b-line exora which is priced at rm 57k that was bashed kaw-kaw because of many 'no' yet comes with driver airbag and pre-tensioner belts.

    i also said that buying saga se is even cheaper because you get driver airbag and driver and passenger pre-tensioner belts with leather seat at rm42k to rm 45k. maybe i compare orange to apple but as many said including PT, alza is more towards sedan competitor and saga is basically longer than alza by 52mm.

    i also said alza will jeopardize myvi current owner since the launching of alza maybe will make them feel pain to the heart since alza seem better than myvi.

    what i concluded above sound like bashing because hard to remember back and will takes time to retype, but my original posting is not at any near to bashing p2 alza.

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  • Kheng Yee on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Hi, there is a Perodua Alza contest on Facebook. Check it out at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Car-One-Moment-MPV-….

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  • this only 60% of MPV….Exora is the 100% MPV

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  • shawal on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    IS THIS A DIRECT COMPETITIOR TO A 5-SERIES GT MUAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

    just kidding….

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  • Paul Tan on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    I would like to remind readers that the server is experiencing high load so there will be some hiccups. There is a caching system so sometimes the server will display an old version of the page. U might think your comment has been deleted but I assure you I have no reason to censor any comments here. Please hold your horses and give it around 15 minutes or so before resubmitting your comment.

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  • zahari Affendi on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Paul…your comparison between alza n exora should not be made as it's not in the same segment …by the way i don't think exora market will be affected by this new car..the affected market would be for livina, avanza, city, and vios.

    However, based on my test drive last night, the suspension of Alza is not too soft and another ting, P2 should provide gear's lamp for Alza as the new auto's driver have to rely on the dashboard to know the gear position at night.

    for me this is a good car for those looking a car which can carry more people and for the young family. the enhanced model is like a baby wish …good job P2 with the right price…

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    my friend menyesal beli viva elite maaa…

    add abaout 150 per month can get this wagon'……

    but he's diehard p2 fan….

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  • syafique_360 on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    to all malaysian,

    let us support our malaysian car(proton)…

    perodua is not really our product…perodua has toyota & daihatsu behind them..don't listen what the people says..

    u should compare it with the fact and open ur mind…

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  • Tv3 kata 300mil for dev Alza? 300mil for redesign bumper?

    Hehehehe…Lawak antarabangsa!!!!

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  • shawal on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Seats go all way down….mmm…. nice, altho, picnic is not what i have in mind, muaahahahahahahahahahaha

    Iwan Dani couldnt say it any better!

    Its an alternative to the HONDA JAZZ! Alza looks very fresh and zippy, for a wagon its very practical

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  • lanrambai on Nov 24, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Guys.. when u go for a test drive with this Alza.. please make sure u bring the whole family with u. Then bring them to Proton and test drive Exora. After that… ask them… which one to buy? I did that with Livina… and their answer was Exora….. err.. ok… I lied… i did a test drive in Livina with my family.. my wife did not like it because of the size and the 3rd row small.

    I booked my exora just after reading Paul Tan's review after the media test drive a month or so before launching. After Exora launched, only then I can bring my family for the test drive.. and the gave me the approval… Er.. by the way.. my family consist of a wife, my mother and 4 kids from 2 to 10. By the time I finish paying my instalment, the 3rd row is still roomy for both my younger child which is 11 and 15 by then.

    My advise is… if space is not a priority to you… even for 8, 9 years from now… only then Alza may be listed as one of your choice…. but there are singles and young married couples who own the Exora now. For them space is not important but there must be other factors that lead them for not waiting for Alza… so.. to say that Exora wins in the spacious part only is not correct to them.

    Anyways… Alza is good…. but Exora is the best hahaha.

    ps – why ahh.. never heard of a perodua personnel (SA or their engineers) admitting they are from perodua in this forum…. Proton's people declared they are from proton ie sifu, 460 and few others. But from the way this website is heading…. its becoming more like a perodua showroom lahh.

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    hai chief lan….

    just want to add sikit…

    if people say that people dont always want the 3rd row…so they can fold down the 3rd row to get more luggage space…just imagine how big is the luggage space in exora if 3rd row folded….even one of the 3rd row seat pun dah kaw2 punya besar…

    well exora can also be true 5 seater + big boot..

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    I think we should stop comparing this Alza to others MPV as actually this Alza do not know to sit in which group/class. In Japan, this boon luminas is not MPV class but one box car from Daihatsu. But why they can call it MPV? RTD should give clear definition to automaker about grouping class to avoid market interruption and regret to buyers later. Also most important is to avoid the maker to sell it overprice due to its claim MPV class.

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  • Arani on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Maserati said:

    "Idiots.Alza will still triumph in term of sales.This is no doubt! How come got so many ppl asking for crash test? Is that the best you guys can come up with?!! Why,Alza is too nice until the best you can come up with is “SHOW ME THE CRASH TEST”? Ran out of ideas to bash P2 already? NOOBS!

    OBTW,to proton fans out there,I dont think your stupid proton cars have crash test.The best oso 3 star for Waja if i not mistaken.Exora 4 stars?But weird,you guys seem to be driving like Bas3rds on the road…hmmmmm…

    Neo crash test how many stars?!! Is there even a crash test on this piece of junk?! Whether or not got crash test ,if I give you a 5 star rating car,if you are an ASSHOLE on the road,you will still die ,get it? Sore losers..Proton ,wake up and stop making cars that will benefit the hardcore racers in the country with all those stupid LOTUS engineering bullcrap."

    To Maserati,

    I think you're the one talking crap here. At least proton did their homework and you can see how it translate to a better car produce by them (eg. Exora) compared to their previous product like Waja, Neo and Persona. To be honest, I've owned every type of vehicle produce by Perodua (kancil, kembara, myvi, viva and even the old Rusa) but I don't think I'll buy the new Alza. I've only one Proton car which is my old trustworthy SAGA. After taking a closer look at it yesterday, IMHO it's not worth to buy it. Like someone else said in here, I better top up a little and get either Kia Forte or just get myself the cool Nissan Grand Livina. Whatever lah, I think there's no point for me to talk to a weirdo guy who post childish and emotional statement like you! GROW UP PLEASE!!

    Saga, Kancil, Kembara = Own personal use

    Myvi = bought for my wife

    Rusa = to stuff goods for my pasar malam business

    Viva = recently bought for my daughter to use later on

    Forte or Grand Livina = Plan to buy next month after I got enough money to pay the 30% – 40% downpayment. Original plan was to buy before Raya Puasa but got other important commitment to fulfill.

    To all of u guys out there, as head of the family, I suggest you better save your hard earned money and buy a bigger house instead. Unless you're filthy rich, don't waste your money into buying expensive car all the time because nobody cares. To them we're just driving a Malaysian car! So, for your family's sake, plan your financial obligations carefully!

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  • Annoy-namos on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    I agree with Paul. Comparatively, this is an alternative for people who prefer an MPV over a normal sedan i.e. its an MPV equivalent of a persona-waja class family car. A family of 5 (with 3 small kids) who can journey long distance in this MPV may also be "more or less" comfortable in a sedan.

    People who really really need an MPV will go for larger models NAZA-KIAs, Exoras, Innovas…

    Nonetheless, its cute and attractive with lots of practicalities to brag about as you would expect from a p2 and other toyota derived models… and people will buy it and enjoy its wide range of uses.

    Congrats for another car to come out of the countries stable.

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    A_C.

    You're nitpicking. and very small nits at that.

    They can call it whatever it is. If I asked you how you would like to define MPV, you'd probably lump this Alza with the rest.

    Like what? seats more than 5, is a hatchback, has foldable seats.??

    MPV is now what a station wagon was 20 years ago.

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  • kodok on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    great for a family with 2 lil kids…no match to exora which is a notch higher in terms of space and class..alza is an mpv alrite albeit a small mpv

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  • budlee on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    penat baca comment, tak larat nak baca semua..

    well Perodua never lied to the consumer

    read the tagline..

    CAR…one moment.. MPV the next

    so it is a car, with the ability to carry some people if you choose too.. just like the Naza Citra, and Mazda Demio (is it the demio? not sure.. its the MPV before the Mazda 5)..

    Exora killer? Hmm.. yes and no, since normal people who don't read this articles nor who are passionate about cars, will absolutely love Perodua, but this is a SMALL MPV compared large Exora..

    Its kinda amusing, when most people will say. Exora is for the husband while the Alza is for the wife…

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  • norman on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    I would just say its a wagon with extra seats only.The 2nd and 3rd row are way too cramped even for 1.64m person to sit comfortably.Reasons why Passo Sette is not popular than Sienta is the space.They claim it as a 7 seater MPV where its not.The most is 6 person i can honestly said.Long journey are too tiring.Experience it before on a rent Passo Sette in Singapore few mths back.But its definately has good pick up over Exora but lost for spaciousness,Comfort and long journey trips.However those with 3-4 kids can consider this,Its actually a streched Myvi with extra seats,Not a true MPV.

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  • tttuuuutttt on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    naik kancil bontot blkg jatuh…

    naik viva pon bontot blkg jatuh…

    naik myvi pon bontot blkg jatuh….

    apatah lagi naik al'nazak' ni bontot blkg jatuh trus terseret atas jalan hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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  • carcoon on Nov 24, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    litespeed said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 8:41 am

    Paul Tan is not biasedlah. Only the ISOFIX is a bit over the top. The ISOFIX mounts are all fine and dandy, and costs an arm and a leg to develop. However the real issue here is the ISOFIX child seats themselves- they cost a bomb! Last time I check in UK it costs well over 100 quids. Imagine what’s the price here. Nothing less than RM2000 I reckon. I mean, for the Proton and Perodua buyer demographics, these buggers would rather buy a kapchai than a fancy ISOFIX child seat. The conventional Sweet Cherry type can be bought at RM100 or less ma…

    ————————————————————-

    hi litespeed,

    from your words above, do you mean that WE (Proton and Perodua buyers) are buggers that would rather buy a kapchai than a child seat? your conclusion seems narrow and shallow.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    4G63tDSM said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 11:36 am

    A_C.

    You’re nitpicking. and very small nits at that.

    They can call it whatever it is. If I asked you how you would like to define MPV, you’d probably lump this Alza with the rest.

    Like what? seats more than 5, is a hatchback, has foldable seats.??

    MPV is now what a station wagon was 20 years ago.

    ——————–

    Nitpicker sometimes pick useful thing. The definition can made easily and just make it official for any assembler or seller to follow. In Japan, they have many terms like Kei (660cc), 3-Box, 1-Box etc all is for maker and buyer guidance to make or buy car. The market isn't become haywire too. If not, don't you feel this Alza is too overpriced? Boon Luminas highers spec only at RM44K in Japan.

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  • Cikgu Khoo on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    jangan bising² la…tk mau beli diam..mau beli pun diam…sapa dh pi tenguk kasi pendapat aja..jangan kutuk²..bullshit..kita 1Malaysia la…saya mahu bagi amanat ni..

    pulau pandan jauh ketengah,

    gunung lambak bercabang tiga,

    hancur badan dikandung tanah,

    budi yang baik perodua dikenang jua…

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  • Tiadaid on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    carcoon said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 11:58 am

    hi litespeed,

    from your words above, do you mean that WE (Proton and Perodua buyers) are buggers that would rather buy a kapchai than a child seat? your conclusion seems narrow and shallow.

    ———————–

    The question is, would you buy an ISOFIX seat? Or even buy a non-ISOFIX child seat? Or you'd be like everyone else who let their kids sit on the seat without a booster seat. So far I haven't seen anyone place their kids on a booster seat. Baby carriers are different though…

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  • JunLyn on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    i still luv my kenari…

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  • toyo_the_stupid on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    More like a beef up Myvi…I don't understand by it is called MPV…should have been catagorized as normal hatchback just like Honda Jazz or Nissan Latio (3rd row seats are too uncomfortable to be qualified as a seat…)

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  • its simple, they want to claim MPV so that they can capture MPV market from exora… huahahahha :p

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  • Syafique

    P2 is made by Malaysian, using parts mainly produced by Malaysian (i have to admit small % of them may be thru the hands of Indonesian and Nepali), so why it is not malaysian punya car?

    Everything is globalized nowadays, P1 acquired Lotus and designed its engine (correct if i'm wrong), so we are more likely to see silver leg hair in the engine compared to our very own in black color. P1 and P2 may engage consultant (foreight perhaps0 to design it's next generation car.

    Dr Muszaphar went to space in Russian spacecraft, and I have no problem calling him angkasawan..so must he fly in Malaysian made space shutter so we can pull our head out from the sand meh?!

    If we send our children to US for higher education, what do we call them, American?

    You don't wear batik everyday and nobody is calling u a traitor. Opps… don't mean to trigger another invasion. This is globalization la..

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  • test drove it today…….

    -ve comments….. the passanger sitting next to d driver will have a problem if long legs, coz the center console will kena the knee (AT version only)…. no 2 n 3 row a/c…..needs more small places to put stuffs like pockets n extra compartments….power just a bit sluggish……

    +ve comments…..white is so cool…..space inside was not wat i expected, coz i thought it will be like an extented myvi……3rd row jump seat at d rear is useful when have extras 4 short trips……. handling is better then the Avanza, n i know its coz its very low n avanza is tall ok. just proving that u can get another 7 seates at this price gap, from the parent company of TOYOTA…..

    hopefully the performance parts will be out soon……just to SPICE it up a bit. Ultra racing….. k&n(ada bah kan sekarang)…..Eibach……

    lastly, thumbs up from my wife

    …..so next year will be a good year, provided can get b4 CNY- balik kampung… reminds me of the MYVI when drove it back for CNY- talk of all the families…..

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  • Arani said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 11:30 am

    Forte or Grand Livina = Plan to buy next month after I got enough money to pay the 30% – 40% downpayment.

    _____________________________

    Arani,

    My advise for you is, you better save your hard earned money and buy a bigger house instead. Unless you’re filthy rich, don’t waste your money into buying expensive car. :P

    Joking la..just sense a little irony here.

    Anyway, my advise is actually

    – Grand Livina: not that much spacious compared to Alza (check the wheel base), i did not think it is worth the extra 30k even for a bigger engine.

    – Korean of any kind: dont know them a lot. I will say 2 things

    1. to buy P1 or P2 is going for compromised quality (what to do? need a big house), in some way, but scores on patriotism (duh!),

    2. to go for Korean is, in same way, compromising on quality, but score no point for 1Malaysian campaign.

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  • scottloeb on Nov 24, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    4G63 (Mitsu fan),

    I bought Graco old model Turbobooster Step 3 child seat that integrates with the car 3 point harness, doesnt come with ISOFIX (bought at Mom's Care IKANO Power Centre for arnd RM 350). I bought Chicco travel system – Race (not the 3 wheeler) from Ebay in the UK for a bargain price of GBP120 (RRP in Malaysia is RM 2300 – this is in 2006 when Arsenal trump Blackburn 6-2 in the Emirates on Boxing Day match), still doesnt come with ISOFIX, need the adapter. Planning to buy Mothercare express Optic (RRP MYR 600), dont know still available or not as this is old model also doesn't comes with the ISOFIX. Britax, Recaro or Maxi Cosi perhaps might have. But I heard Satria Neo got seat with ISOFIX, but most reasonable price MPV doesn't include ISOFIX features in the seat, only Europeans do (I guess). Weird isnt it?

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  • orang miskin on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa :)

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  • Prismo on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Quoted:

    "the Alza I feel our own Malaysian design team has trumped the Japanese guys. The Passo Sette had this slightly bulgy-eyed look while the Alza looks far more sleeker"

    —————–

    Wow!! finally P2 design team pawning T&D design team with a sleeker headlamp!! but they take to much time just redesign the headlamp and the rest is still T&D design….

    On tv3 said P2 spending RM300mil for developing Alza? on what? bumper and headlamp RnD really cost to them that much ka??

    Went to P2 showroom last night. ketuk2 body, bang the door, having a sit at the 3rd row.. what can i say, amat mengecewakan… 1st row quite spacious… 2nd row just cukup2 muat and 3row very very tight for a person 168cm tall like me… terpaksa tolak 2nd row seat kedepan kalo aku nak duduk kat 3rd row tapi kalo mcm tu 2nd row dan semakin kureng space dia…

    "The tests were performed with a starting cabin temperature of 55 degrees Celcius and test results were obtained after 11 minutes of driving with the air cond at maximum performance."

    kalo temperature 55 degrees Celcius kalo dlm keta, tunggu a/c sejuk dlm masa 2 minit pun aku tak tahan… kalo dah maximum a/c utk sejukkan 3rd row.. mesti kuat melantak minyak…

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  • Arani on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    SE said:

    Anyway, my advise is actually

    – Grand Livina: not that much spacious compared to Alza (check the wheel base), i did not think it is worth the extra 30k even for a bigger engine.

    – Korean of any kind: dont know them a lot. I will say 2 things

    1. to buy P1 or P2 is going for compromised quality (what to do? need a big house), in some way, but scores on patriotism (duh!),

    2. to go for Korean is, in same way, compromising on quality, but score no point for 1Malaysian campaign.

    I've test drive the grand livina twice from the showroom and twice from my relatives and I've to admit it's still a class above Alza (albeit I only get to drive the Alza around for a short while yesterday). Try it! But to me, the resale value of japanese car is much much better than any Malaysian made car be it P1 or P2. I'm planning to use it only for max 5 years and then upgrade to a merc or bmw. Normally, people say when you own these elite marques means you have done it, you have achieved the pillar of success.

    I already have three landed house, one condo and a few acres of land. I acquired all of my properties through my diversified business which actually started with just selling nasi lemak at pasar malam about 16 years ago. FYI, Believe it or not, I actually still sell nasi lemak using my Rusa (previously use Saga) until today!

    I can actually buy the mercedes or bmw car any time but still I hope that some day, I could finally lay my hand on the ultimate machine! My children's education is my top priority at the moment.

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  • There goes another crap… Outgoing model in japan but become new model in malaysia… This one is not cheap bro… those specifications are already outdated…. No new hardware but all cheap electronics..

    Look further outside this box and you'll find much better choices

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    hai kesian orang miskin…

    tambah 2k dapat real 7 seater la…..with extra safety features lagi…

    saya dah merasa real 7 seater…..

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  • Arani on Nov 24, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    SE said:

    Anyway, my advise is actually

    – Grand Livina: not that much spacious compared to Alza (check the wheel base), i did not think it is worth the extra 30k even for a bigger engine.

    – Korean of any kind: dont know them a lot. I will say 2 things

    1. to buy P1 or P2 is going for compromised quality (what to do? need a big house), in some way, but scores on patriotism (duh!),

    2. to go for Korean is, in same way, compromising on quality, but score no point for 1Malaysian campaign.

    I've test drive the grand livina twice from the showroom and twice from my relatives and I've to admit it's still a class above Alza (albeit I only get to drive the Alza around for a short while yesterday). But to me, the resale value of japanese car is much much better than any Malaysian made car be it P1 or P2. I'm planning to use it only for max 3 to 5 years and then upgrade to a merc or bmw. Normally, people say when you own these elite marques means you have done it, you have achieved the pillar of success.

    About buying a bigger house issue, I've already thought of that long time ago. Syukur Alhamdulillah, I now have three landed house, one shoplot, one condo and a few acres of land. I acquired all of these properties through my business which actually started with just selling nasi lemak at pasar malam about 16 years ago. Believe it or not, I still sell the same nasi lemak at pasar malam using my Rusa until now.

    I can actually buy the mercedes or bmw car any time but still I hope that some day, I could finally lay my hand on the ultimate machine! My children's education is my top priority at the moment.

    Oh, I forgot about the forte, you did mentioned the 30k difference of the Grand Livina compare to Alza. I had test drive the 1.6 forte recently and it suits more to my liking but my family loves the grand livina more. I did wait for Alza to launch and perhaps I'll try test drive again together with my family before I decide which car to buy. My cousin is the perodua branch manager, i bought all my p2 cars through him. He's trying really hard to persuade me to buy the premium Alza. hehe..

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  • gen2lama on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    hai orang miskin…..

    so sad man….tambah 2k je u get real 7 seater with extra (air bag)….

    exora basic just 57k maaa…

    – yg dah rasa 7 seater…

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  • Pooorrrrrrrrrr car.

    sucking blood from rakyat!

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  • Bob Tahar on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    That orang miskin is very kaya buying an expansive wagon… add couple of K can get the real deal & seater MPV with airbag.

    Just feel the manual version… for a big guy… its more comfortable because on no bulky auto gear…

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa :)

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni.. ;)

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  • jamban on Nov 24, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    MPV alza mg sempoi…dh booking dh…cool…jadi tunggu apa lagi..jgn ketinggalan…booking segera..

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  • Who wants to buy manual car driving in a city like kl? MPV is all for leisure and comfort. Defeat the purpose if buying a manual MPV. Better buy a van instead! Do you see any high class continental/japs MPV using a manual gearbox?? Better still why not drive a bus instead if u prefer manual version.

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  • rafiq on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    sy nk tanya sikit alza kecil tapi 1.5 kenapa exora lg besar 1.6? nk save market price?

    apa pun citarasa masing2 but base on record perodua will achive target

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  • Paul, Could you enlighten us some of issue discuss by the blogger? I can any see you make a comment when somebody talking bad about you. Just my two sen

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  • lol the second picture from the "seating arrangement" looks awfully funny

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  • oh wait,correction, the 5th picture from "seating arrangement"

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  • squawk on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Ivan, it's very common in Europe for MPVs to have manual trans. But Malaysians are a lazy lot.

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  • nathan on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    not bad

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  • In Europe, Manual is still a favourable choice as they are a little conservative but in the Americas, they prefer Automatic transmissions. It depends on the persons choice actually.

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  • THE |X| CREATOR.COM on Nov 24, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    6/10 je aku boleh bagi kat ALZA…

    mmg murah…tapi tahap keselesaan kurang… :p

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  • mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa :)

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni.. ;)

    ___

    Mockviper, im sorry to tell you Perodua has better resale value. and yes i hate to admit it.

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  • best…but i'm too late because just bought a myvi…

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  • nizam80 (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:36 am

    The practicality of this people carrier is wagon-like. But who cares? Your typical Malaysian will definitely purchase this over the Exora. The Advanced Version definitely has more accessories… But RM 70K (Advanced Version)? That's a bit pricey for a vehicle of this size don't you think?

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  • Prismo on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:54 am

    Rico said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

    Mockviper, im sorry to tell you Perodua has better resale value. and yes i hate to admit it.

    ——————————————————–

    Rico, i hate to say this.. my 2002 kancil850 resale value drop until RM7k and my mum kelisa850 year 2006 just RM15k… My big bro 2007 Myvi cannot be trade in with Alza bcoz a low resale value that can't cover the bank settlement…

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  • krekosan on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:54 am

    Hmm, for a small family ok laa, any1 who just married sure take this one. very good, steady drive, can 'play2' in car too. I like!

    But hey, the reality is that whenever it involve in an accident, die la. So, drive safely in this kind of car.

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  • vhiung on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:56 am

    4 mw alza is not fight with exora, alza look like a "BOX" no design.

    60k….buy a car like tis, better add 10k can buy exora loh!!

    P2 should change! Change!

    myvi lagi BEST…even i drive persona.

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  • NoNoP2 on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:01 am

    RM70k for advance version?

    what is so advance to have that price tag??

    trying to tipu us with words…so much for advance..

    bodykits? leather seat? GPS? oh ya I forgot..P2 so advance with bodykits development..coz that's the only thing they've been doing since day 1!!! LOLZ

    reverse camera?? kedai abang got la for RM500 only!

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  • Arani

    You have my respect even if u r spotted in an Alza! No need to be the tallest and biggest to prove a point la.. :-P

    However, this discussion is abt stretching the ringgit. Compare space, Livina is no better than Alza. Comparing resale value, Nissan is no better than Toyota or Honda (may be on par with P2? and i figure Alza can resale better than Merz or a BM in term of % difference. When taste matters, most would prefer a Mazda over Kia.

    Anyway, it's all abt personal choice, i dont think we are here to force a decision on anyone, but to share opinion so everyone can consider everything before decides to take the dive, or not.

    Last but not least, your Nasi lemak must be damn good, where can i get a packet? i am still looking for a good one all over bayan lepas to start my everyday!

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  • if need to turn aircond to max for it to reach the third row… wonder what happen to the driver. sure freeze to death..

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  • st power on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:18 am

    mt?

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  • chacha on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:27 am

    MazdaAstina said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

    might consider if i dun get an estima!

    —————————————————————

    Ko, kalo xde duit 2 bt ler cara xde duit. Jauh benor lari dr nk beli estima ke alza (teruk btl downgrade). Ibarat dr nk beli emas x jd n beli kaca lak. kalo xpun ckp ler nk beli wish/stream bru masuk akal. Lain kali kalo nk sembang 2, pkr2 la dlu bang oooiiii….. (Jgn mare yea, nti kna jual)

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  • Alza aka MyVi Bontot on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:30 am

    mengQ said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 3:24 am

    ——————————–

    P2 salesman

    Automotive_Critics said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 9:50 am

    I don’t think any problem with this. It’s better to put at left side e.g the fuel lid is better to put at left side rather at driver side coz it difficult to open drivers door when refuelling. I notice most Japs have fuel lid at left side compare to Proton on right side. Continental i don’t know. Japs is more user friendly in term of design overall.

    ——————————–

    Can't understand your argument.

    BABA said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:01 am

    ——————————–

    You should buy B-Line Exora dude..

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  • mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa :)

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni..

    —————–

    ye la the one kotak MPV p1.. ahaks .. as i heard turun the price to 57 k…

    wow what a challange.. …

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  • zainol on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:42 am

    the true is we are not designing our own car model and we just cut n paste…alza? i am won't waste my money to this cars…..better use exora…look luxury and exclusive…much better then this kancil type….

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  • @ntiPerOdua on Nov 25, 2009 at 1:54 am

    So disappointed!! The SUCK car in the malaysia !!!

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  • alansmithz (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:00 am

    Alza is suitable for people who want a bigger car than sedan but dread parking a fulll size monster like Exora. Suitable for young dude who like to go out with lot of friends in the weekend & also use it as his only car for daily travelling to work.

    Exora is great for people with BIG family members who still live in the same house & like to travel outstation during the weekend, TOGETHER!!

    Here is the little dilemma for Exora: Not all family members would like to balik kampung in the same MPV with their parent if they also have their own car (tuned up racer to show off during Raya or CNY). Just my 2 cents

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  • @ntiPerOdua

    are u a P1 saleman in an empty showroom waaaaaaiting for customer? give u benefit of doubt and pls presents some facts la… instead of singing and waiting for the cows to come home.

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  • @ntiPerOdua

    are u a P1 salesman in an empty showroom waaaaaaiting for customer? u can have the benefit of doubt but pls present some facts la… instead of just sing and waiting for the cows to come home.

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:16 am

    scottloeb said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

    I bought Graco old model Turbobooster Step 3 child seat that integrates with the car 3 point harness, doesnt come with ISOFIX (bought at Mom’s Care IKANO Power Centre for arnd RM 350). I bought Chicco travel system – Race (not the 3 wheeler) from Ebay in the UK for a bargain price of GBP120 (RRP in Malaysia is RM 2300 – this is in 2006 when Arsenal trump Blackburn 6-2 in the Emirates on Boxing Day match), still doesnt come with ISOFIX, need the adapter. Planning to buy Mothercare express Optic (RRP MYR 600), dont know still available or not as this is old model also doesn’t comes with the ISOFIX. Britax, Recaro or Maxi Cosi perhaps might have. But I heard Satria Neo got seat with ISOFIX, but most reasonable price MPV doesn’t include ISOFIX features in the seat, only Europeans do (I guess). Weird isnt it?

    Yeah it is. Really stupid if you asked me. All 3 local MPVs don't have them, the Rondo, Exora and this Alza. My daughter's Graco travel system has LATCH, and can be mounted into ISOFIX if one existed so Im surprised why your's don't.

    I can confirm that most EU seats have ISOFIX like Britax (very good brand), and Recaro.

    Booster seats don't have LATCH or ISOFIX, they are meant to be used with your regular seatbelts. Which is why your's don't.

    Actually, i've looked through the details between the Grand Livina and the Alza. Both are damn close in dimensions, with the Nissan being 20cm longer, a bit shorter and narrower.

    It would be tough sell for the 1.6L GL at 20k more……After all, its not that much different in size.

    Ivan said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

    Who wants to buy manual car driving in a city like kl? MPV is all for leisure and comfort. Defeat the purpose if buying a manual MPV. Better buy a van instead! Do you see any high class continental/japs MPV using a manual gearbox?? Better still why not drive a bus instead if u prefer manual version.

    ———-

    Whats wrong with a manual? Not everyone that buys the car lives in KL stuck in gridlock. Whats not to like about 5% better fuel economy and a few grand less in purchase price, and a bit more power when you feel like it. I will never buy an automatic car to drive (my wife will, but I wont)

    Go visit Europe. Tell them Diesel and manual is for Trucks, busses and lorries and see if you get laughed off the street. Never seen a bus with auto gearbox?

    Not quite sure how you come up with that sort of conclusion…LOL

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:28 am

    Automotive_Critics said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

    Nitpicker sometimes pick useful thing. The definition can made easily and just make it official for any assembler or seller to follow. In Japan, they have many terms like Kei (660cc), 3-Box, 1-Box etc all is for maker and buyer guidance to make or buy car. The market isn’t become haywire too. If not, don’t you feel this Alza is too overpriced? Boon Luminas highers spec only at RM44K in Japan.

    Yes, its overpriced. And as with every other car in Malaysia.

    Being an MPV has nothing to do with how its priced. Calling one an MPV doens't mean you can price it up.

    Its expensive because thats what people will pay for it. Regardless if its an MPV or not. The Myvi was rediculously overpriced. And so was a 55k Wira and a 37K 20 year old Iswara.

    Part of that fault stems from Proton itself and its own undoing. If Proton can make good cars with good reliability and good price, you can bet that every other car brand will lower its price. Too bad Proton is so deep in mud it will take itself some time to climb out off. Public perception takes time to overcome years of bad quality and bad press.

    That …. and taxes.

    Matured markets don't need categories to define them. Japan is different as thier taxes and road usage depends on class of car which is why they are defined that strictly.

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  • hai kawan2 apa hal bising bising ,ni mpv budget…kalau byk duit beli estima la…apa hal kutuk2.kalau tak da duit beli ja alza kalau nak besar ckit beli exora…apa hal la tak patriotik langsung.

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  • MengQ on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:42 am

    Alza aka MyVi Bontot Plus++ said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

    —————-

    Yeah yeah, i am! How do you know that? So smart lah you…

    LOLz!

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  • sambung…kalau lu orang nak murah..impot lagi beli ja chana era..lu pikir la sendiri

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  • sir s on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:55 am

    I just back from Perodua's showroom. Really dissapointed. The design is nice, but the space is toooooooooooooooooooooooooo small to say it is a MPV. Very frustrated. If u really want to buy it, better buy the cheapest variant… if not, for premium grade, it is too expensive laa… I agree Paul said that it is better to flip the back seat and make Alza as a 5 seater wagon… it is better than u call it an MPV. Ok la… tengok la sendiri… if u like it, then u like la… depend on your personal view… :)

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  • alza looks nerdy or something incomplete, exora looks far more handsome and sturdy.

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  • oh no prismo, now you hv tell me. im a bit worried.

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  • wastage on Nov 25, 2009 at 3:50 am

    Myvi= 2-3 ppl balik kampung + luggage

    Alza= 5 ppl balik kampung.

    so, as Paul tan mentioned, waja/persona is the main target. this is a good car, very good, will sell.

    how is exora?

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  • mentaliti org malaysia ni selalu nak barang murah berkualiti…kalau wish,estima 100k lebih takde org nak komlen pulak..just my 1 cent

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  • rakyat jelata on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:29 am

    kereta ok dah.harga mahalah.sebab buatan tempatan bkn import.compare spec baik beli naza citra lebih selamat.

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  • rakyat jelata on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:39 am

    estima mahal krn cukai kerajaan tapi barang beli puas hati.pakai 15 thn steady lagi kita punya guaneeeee….nak untung banyak sangat.wah wah wah….

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:01 am

    Sir s,

    I am surprised people are dissapointed for it being small.

    I can understand if you are dissapointed with the price, or the fit and finish..etc…but size??

    Which part of it got lost with you? Its a small car. Its built to be small. What exactly were you expecting?

    Its actually not THAT much smaller than the GL. My daughter's stroller wont fit here, nor the GL. it still wont fit in the Stream, Rondo and Wish with the 3rd row seats up either. You want real size then its time to move to the Grandis or Estimas. Out of budget? well its less than 1/3 the price, so expect 1/3 the car.

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  • Alza Buruk!!!!!

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  • Auto_crat on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:22 am

    Also just came back form the showroom. It is expected, the third row will be a bit tight. Really uncomfortable for adult. For kids…canla. Looks quite ok. But my family is expanding. I'll have to go for Exora…or wait a bit further for Exora Turbo. I'll think in many way Exora gains the upper hand. Just my 2cents.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:40 am

    4G63tDSM said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

    Sir s,

    I am surprised people are dissapointed for it being small.

    I can understand if you are dissapointed with the price, or the fit and finish..etc…but size??

    Which part of it got lost with you? Its a small car. Its built to be small. What exactly were you expecting?

    Its actually not THAT much smaller than the GL. My daughter’s stroller wont fit here, nor the GL. it still wont fit in the Stream, Rondo and Wish with the 3rd row seats up either. You want real size then its time to move to the Grandis or Estimas. Out of budget? well its less than 1/3 the price, so expect 1/3 the car.

    —————

    I can understand his arguments and feeling of which of category should he put this Alza in. MPV should be in a size that enable it to be called as MPV but this Alza claimed as MPV but so far never satisfy most as MPV.

    The GL is better with 200mm longer translate to better legroom and 3rd row seating height is higher than this Alza. Also the long wheel base cause intrusion to 3rd row seat in Alza thus can't seat adult comfortably.

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  • stfodude on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:56 am

    buta saja beli yang ini ,

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  • stfodude on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:56 am

    'buta' saja beli yang ini ,

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  • mubongok on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:07 am

    pandai betul encik prismo..

    RM300 juta untuk buat bumper..abis bodypart 2 import dari jepun ke?

    nak buat bodypart etc pintu, bonet dll kena ada mould..mould tu buat pakai air liur je ke?…production line ingat boleh pakai equipment yg sama ke?

    kalo x tau..x yah ckp..jgn la membongokkan diri anda…dpt info kat web pun komen mcm dah pakar dlm industri automotif…tong kosong!

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  • hotblood on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:21 am

    Automotive_Critics said,

    The GL is better with 200mm longer translate to better legroom and 3rd row seating height is higher than this Alza. Also the long wheel base cause intrusion to 3rd row seat in Alza thus can’t seat adult comfortably.

    ___________________

    you are right but 200mm longer+0.3L+seating higher=RM30K. i rather buy another viva for 30K & get extra 4 seats & 4tyres…LOL

    easy way to solve stroller problem, just buy roof box & price is less then RM1500.

    ada bran?

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  • stream2001 on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:24 am

    isofix isofix..my Honda Stream RM150k pun xde isofix.kalau ada pun,berapa orang Msia sanggup beli childseat certified ok yg harga mahal giler.sape yg mampu beli child seat harga RM1000,takkan nak pakai Alza kot?

    anyway bila check tadi,sama je sempit 3rd row alza vs Stream.harga pun kereta MPV paling murah,nak espect best camana pulak..

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  • Cikgu Khoo said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

    jangan bising² la…tk mau beli diam..mau beli pun diam…sapa dh pi tenguk kasi pendapat aja..jangan kutuk²..bullshit..kita 1Malaysia la…saya mahu bagi amanat ni..

    pulau pandan jauh ketengah,

    gunung lambak bercabang tiga,

    hancur badan dikandung tanah,

    budi yang baik perodua dikenang jua…

    mantap2…

    Prismo said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

    Rico said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

    Mockviper, im sorry to tell you Perodua has better resale value. and yes i hate to admit it.

    ——————————————————–

    Rico, i hate to say this.. my 2002 kancil850 resale value drop until RM7k and my mum kelisa850 year 2006 just RM15k… My big bro 2007 Myvi cannot be trade in with Alza bcoz a low resale value that can’t cover the bank settlement…

    ko beli BMW makin lama makin naik harga ker bodo??

    tan said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

    mentaliti org malaysia ni selalu nak barang murah berkualiti…kalau wish,estima 100k lebih takde org nak komlen pulak..just my 1 cent

    betul tu…nak baik sumer n murah cuba la buat keter sendiri..bleh endoss kat jpj keter DIY..

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  • squawk on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:31 am

    I cannot tahan this being called an MPV. If this is an MPV then the "lowly" Pijot 307 SW can be promoted from estate to MPV too. It's also got 5+2 seating.

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  • er6n, prismo tu cume nak bagitau jer kalu kata p2 punya resale value tinggi, mana ada tinggi, sama je mcm kete lain, itu aje.jgnlah marah k.

    org marah sebab perodua ckp perodua MPV, so setakat ini, MPV di consider pada minda orang satu kenderaan yang lebih besar dari sedan n boleh bwk 7 org dgn selesa. so bile kecik, elok dikatakan tagline nya, wagon juga dengan 2 seat tambahan. so, xdalah org marah sgt pasal size tuh. em, by the way, stroller anak saya muat je kat blakag innova n exora bila sume seat naik. mgkin stroller saya jenis bleh lipat kecik, kdg2,kena gak bijak membeli stroller anak supaya senang isi dalam kenderaan :-). no offence, pendapat saya aje.

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  • squawk on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:04 am

    Ivan said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

    Who wants to buy manual car driving in a city like kl? MPV is all for leisure and comfort. Defeat the purpose if buying a manual MPV. Better buy a van instead! Do you see any high class continental/japs MPV using a manual gearbox?? Better still why not drive a bus instead if u prefer manual version.

    ———-

    4G63tDSM said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

    Whats wrong with a manual? Not everyone that buys the car lives in KL stuck in gridlock. Whats not to like about 5% better fuel economy and a few grand less in purchase price, and a bit more power when you feel like it. I will never buy an automatic car to drive (my wife will, but I wont)

    Go visit Europe. Tell them Diesel and manual is for Trucks, busses and lorries and see if you get laughed off the street. Never seen a bus with auto gearbox?

    Not quite sure how you come up with that sort of conclusion…LOL

    ——————————-

    4G63, don't forget the lower maintenance of a manual box.

    In Europe, diesel cars are selling so fast they've gone up in price. And they're mostly manual (including high-end cars). America is a total different market where they've been bred on auto box for decades. But there's some Americans who still like to drive stick.

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  • i don't thing Perodua Alza 1.5L Standard is not safe to drive, why everybody say Alza premium is safe?? I thing most of the car we drive is don't have ABS and airbag. Its just can say Alza Premium is more safety but just for good driver!! And i think the prize between Standard & Premium is too high, RM 5000.00 (if you loan 9 years you have to pay more 1687.50 interest).

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  • mockviper (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:50 am

    hotblood said,

    you are right but 200mm longer+0.3L+seating higher=RM30K. i rather buy another viva for 30K & get extra 4 seats & 4tyres…LOL

    easy way to solve stroller problem, just buy roof box & price is less then RM1500.

    ada bran?

    ——->

    and jgn lupa, kos petrol, parking, service, maintenance, insurance, road tax, tol etc… kena byr utk 2 buah keta, bkn satu ;)

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  • mat tongkol on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:01 am

    aku tak tau nal ckp aper sbb tak tgk lg…….tp mcm sume ckp kecik jer…. anak aku 5…so?

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  • laila on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:13 am

    atually i'm little bit confuse…exora..alza…exora….alza…mmmmmm

    bcoz of fuel compsumtion and comel mcm iii…say yessssssssssssss

    to alza…

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  • boylosong on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:27 am

    Maserati said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 1:11 am

    Proton ,wake up and stop making cars that will benefit the hardcore racers in the country with all those stupid LOTUS engineering bullcrap.

    ===================

    hardcore racers? i dun think so coz hardcore racers need for spid underground honda n nissan bug a standard gen2 at karak but yet still cannot outrun at corners.

    Thanks Proton for givin such a good handling car in standard stock. Save money change parts here n there.

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  • tokmoh on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:39 am

    carcoon said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 11:58 am

    litespeed said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 8:41 am

    Paul Tan is not biasedlah. Only the ISOFIX is a bit over the top. The ISOFIX mounts are all fine and dandy, and costs an arm and a leg to develop. However the real issue here is the ISOFIX child seats themselves- they cost a bomb! Last time I check in UK it costs well over 100 quids. Imagine what’s the price here. Nothing less than RM2000 I reckon. I mean, for the Proton and Perodua buyer demographics, these buggers would rather buy a kapchai than a fancy ISOFIX child seat. The conventional Sweet Cherry type can be bought at RM100 or less ma…

    ————————————————————-

    hi litespeed,

    from your words above, do you mean that WE (Proton and Perodua buyers) are buggers that would rather buy a kapchai than a child seat? your conclusion seems narrow and shallow.

    >>> carcoon : well, that is the TRUTH. The price of safe child seats with ISOFIX is the market price, n judging by how unpopular it is, it shows that msians are too kiam sup when it comes to buying safe child seat with ISOFIX. Some say govt tax it so that's why it's unpopular, but I wonder how true is that claim… Honda have tried to promote child seats with isofix a while back, and they heavily subsidised it IIANM. Guess how much they sold. ZERO.

    Proton, Perodua n Naza are just doing their job: giving customers what they want. And msians don't use ISOFIX at all.

    And no use to compare our people to Europeans. Both of the mentalities are different. One is willing to pay with no complaints. The other don't, and will blame the govt for not subsidising them.

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Give him time to prepare. 5pm launch.

    I have a question:

    Which is better,

    Exora or this D46T. I think this is the only thing which matters most to readers.

    ————————————————————-

    I agree with him, from ur opinion, which 1 is better Paul? Exora or Alza?

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  • orang Tepen on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:09 am

    kereta Perodua punya,

    duit lu punya.

    lu suka lu beli,

    lu tak suka jangan beli.

    jangan buat komen bodoh yang menunjukkan lu punya kebodohan.

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:24 am

    nasurudin said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

    The Alza and Avanza actually use the same 3SZ-VE engine. ITs a year 04 engine . alamak

    ————————————————————-

    Dear Nasurudin,

    Did u know that VVT-i engine developed in Japan in the year of 1997? It only comes to malaysia om the year 2001 if im not mistaken !

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  • totot on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:46 am

    [quote]

    xvr said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

    looks like many myvi owners will convert to this front clip & lights afterwards haha

    [/quote]

    —————————————————————-

    So its seems like Myvi unable to convert to this Alza front Clips. (Projector lamp, Fender, Bonnet, Bumper, Foglamp…)

    Alza Overall length / width / height (mm), 4205/1695/1620

    Myvi Overall length / width / height (mm), 3750/1665/1550

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:53 am

    jamban said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

    MPV alza mg sempoi…dh booking dh…cool…jadi tunggu apa lagi..jgn ketinggalan…booking segera..

    ———————————————————–

    P2 Salesman?

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Littlefire said,

    Besides that, by having a good interior design. It prove that even without a 3rd row air-con, you still have good ventilation.

    More bigger & extra blower, means more energy to waste. I think this Alza prove that air-con vents more doesn’t mean that it is efficient. Alza really proved a lot to another competitor.

    ——>>

    are you serious? since ALZA doesnt comes with rear air cond vents that it is good? did you know that they just want to cut down their cost? when it comes to other competitors, im sure u will make it an issue.. it proves that someone will suck up everything that P2 throws at them.. blindly…

    more vents doesnt mean more energy waste, less vents? yes.. they need to operate their air cond at maximum performance, full speed to make sure that the cold air are spread all over the car. with more vents, you dont have to operate it at maximum performance to reach efficient result.. think about it…

    ————————————————————–

    Dear Mockviper,

    I agree with u. Same liek the cc of the engine, avanza 1.3 consumes more than 1.5 !

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  • S.Roma on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Paul Tan said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 5:03 am

    saki77: Please point out to me what part of my report above is biased or unfair.

    I wasn’t trying to provoke anything with the Exora Basic story, I put it that way because it was easier to read, as in what it doesn’t have rather than what it has. Don’t turn everything into a conspiracy.

    While you are accusing me of provoking people into ‘maki’ Proton over here, just yesterday there was a another commenter who accused me of having a “deal” with Proton for their products to look good. So which is which, I wonder? Honestly I feel that to most people, any opinion that doesn’t agree with theirs is deemed biased.

    I’ve already made noise once about the importance of ISOFIX in the Exora story. I think readers get it. The fact that you’re bringing it up here means that you are now aware of the importance of ISOFIX. So I don’t find that repeating myself is necessary. But anyway for your convenience, I have added a reference link to the story.

    ————————————————————–

    Dear Saki77 – look what u have done? u made PT angry ! stupid a$$hole la u !

    Dear PT – thanks 4 the clarification, seem that people always look the neg side rather than positive one ! But, ur answer i can say, more proffesionalisme ! Good 1 !

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  • ThienWu (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:49 am

    alza… i don't like it, my wife don't like it.. lantak la…

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  • shawal on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Why fix if its not broken

    VVT-i is a funky name toyota gives they're engine, VTEC for Honda , Sky , renesis for Mazda , Theta , GEMA, TFSI …bla bla bla… , its not a 1997 engine fitted into alza , fuel consumption will be very2 bad

    Its Avanza engine , shud be very good

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    hotblood said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

    Automotive_Critics said,

    The GL is better with 200mm longer translate to better legroom and 3rd row seating height is higher than this Alza. Also the long wheel base cause intrusion to 3rd row seat in Alza thus can’t seat adult comfortably.

    ___________________

    you are right but 200mm longer+0.3L+seating higher=RM30K. i rather buy another viva for 30K & get extra 4 seats & 4tyres…LOL

    easy way to solve stroller problem, just buy roof box & price is less then RM1500.

    ada bran?

    —————

    I'm not brave to buy both as they're too overpriced. Our G should be blame for this blood sucking price setting standard. I'll stick to my 1985 Toyota LE and wait till when this Government can withstand pressure from the consumer ith this sky high price for cars. Maybe i'll put roof box to my LE and looks nice but white smoke already come out again so i need money to fix it first.

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  • nuajon on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    now exora promotion RM57 k for basic model?? eeeemm size much bigger than ALZA, price >< near to ALZA RM55K, so? be ur rite choice to buy!!! happy buying!!!

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  • tkaira on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    haiya..these people do not read ka before posting..the engine is NOT the same as the one in the vios. its only the SAME like the rush,nutica and avanza ( Toyota 3SZ-VE four-pot ).but the alzas engine is almost entirely made in malaysia while the rush and avanza is made in indonesia. the vios is a totally a different engine..(1NZ-FE 1.5 litre four-pot) which an alluminium block IIANM..so dont go arround telling its engine is the same..haiya….perodua salesman might cheat you into thinking it was the same..

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  • tkaira on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    haiya..these people do not read ka before posting..the engine is NOT the same as the one in the vios. its only the SAME like the rush,nutica and avanza ( Toyota 3SZ-VE four-pot ).but the alzas engine is almost entirely made in malaysia while the rush and avanza is made in indonesia. the vios is a totally a different engine..(1NZ-FE 1.5 litre four-pot) which an alluminium block IIANM..so dont go arround saying its engine is the same..haiya….all of u kne tipu by perodua ..well when i say kne tipu is that the salesman did no clarify with u guys its not the same engine…and hes gonna say "hey same engine like vios what?..sud be very gud"… pah..though the engine in the avanza/rush/nautica is realiable …so no worries lah…just dont say its saem as the vios..pisses the hell out off me..

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  • Kamaroo on Nov 25, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    P*&^mak P2 !!!!

    Give this bloody shit to people with low income + big family…

    Also P@#$%mak to P2 engineers..!!

    You got ur 5 month bonus…the rakyat get ur shit !!!

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  • Kamaroo on Nov 25, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    P2 Salesman…P@#$mak to u all !!

    Came to showroom yesterday…said that only 3 month can get this shit !!

    If want early, pay deposit RM1k…!!

    Haiyaa…don't tipu la, bro! P@#$mak with all these shits…

    Hope God "shitting" u and ur company… penipu rakyat !!

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  • hari ni aku nak p test drive alza…aku tengok dlm utube bontot alza besar dr livina…em wife aku guna livina dah 1 thn.yang lain ok je but quite cramp inside….p kl -png baru ni pasengget tengah mengadu lengoh kaki..tengok dimension alva pendek dr livina…minyak livina save gila…2 ja wife aku bagitau…em aku minat ngan alza ni..

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  • thienWu…go and buy chana era…imported and cheap…

    stfodude…..blah lah weh…lu pakai kancil ciput wa tau…apa kutuk2 alza.cakap ja tak mampu..

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    stream2001 said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

    isofix isofix..my Honda Stream RM150k pun xde isofix.kalau ada pun,berapa orang Msia sanggup beli childseat certified ok yg harga mahal giler.sape yg mampu beli child seat harga RM1000,takkan nak pakai Alza kot?

    anyway bila check tadi,sama je sempit 3rd row alza vs Stream.harga pun kereta MPV paling murah,nak espect best camana pulak..

    —-

    You may not have ISOFIX, but you still have LATCH attachments. Go look behind your 2nd row seats, at the bottom.

    I mampu beli $1000 child seat. Whats wrong with the picture if I buy an Alza? I have better ways to spend my money than on a high depreciating expensive car. But you are right…I'm actualy shopping in the 90-100k range. But $30K extra in investments goes a long way.

    My wife likes it just because it is small and compact, easy to park. There are virtues of being small. For whats it worth, the Exora probably is a better car, but for me, it has the wrong engine, and my wife finds it bulky.

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  • Azlan on Nov 25, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    bila exora pakai 1.6, semua kata underpower

    tp bila alza pakai 1.5, semua kata ok

    pelik kan?

    malaysian mentality memang macam ni ke?

    compare of both, exora much better

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  • gen2lama on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    many people still bising2 pasal resale value…

    taknak rugi, dont get loan longer than 5 years maa…loan 9 /10 tahun…pastu bising value drop…car must drop maa value…

    cermin diri. look at yr budget…how much u can pay per month….then get a car that suit the budget (payment for 5 years max)…

    hey i can still get CASH if i want to let go my gen2…finish the loan earlier…senang cite..

    orang takde duit nafsu besar je pikir pasal resale value ni….

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  • orang miskin on Nov 25, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni..

    dh buat research for long term utk budget petrol cuba imagine

    alza weight 1150kg + (7 dewasa x 60kg) = 1570kg with 1.5cc

    exora weight 1422kg + (7 dewasa x 60kg) = 1842kg with 1.6cc??

    sy org miskin kena save petrol mana tahu next year naik lg harga petrol

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  • initial R on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Perodua Alza, Kereta juga MPV…. errr….. bukan Wagon ke ?. Peug 307 SW apsal tak panggil MPV ?. Pun 5+ 2 seat gak ?. Have try climb 3rd row seat, huh… sempit, lemas plak aku. I go to P2 showroom with my staff in my Exora 7 ppl all together to see ether ok or not coz my staff want to book 1 of this thing. All goes in the this call so Alza (franch said naik ?). My staff & me climb at back seat & as aspected what he said, "Aiyahh… krem kaki camnie kalau jalan jauh… rasa lemas plak". All of my staff aggree that this "Alga" just sesuai untuk small family yang nak jejalan dekat area rumah… buat jalan KL>JB kuar dari wagon nie sure pening nyear….. Aircond rasa sesikit aje sebab terhalang dgn my staff kat depan…. Tak leh nak test drive sebab test drive buka untuk sesapa yang booking aje…. Conclusion "Exora boss best lagi dari Alga, esok teman saya gi Proton nak test L line Exora plak… Bleh tak boss ?." Said my staff… "ok, set, lepas kerja"…..

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  • initial R on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    gen2lama said,

    November 25, 2009 @ 9:18 am

    ——————————————–

    Aggre with you bro… Selera nak pakai kereta besar, gaji cukup2 makan….. tak sedar diri.

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  • orang miskin on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni..

    dh buat research utk budget petrol cuba imagine

    alza weight 1150 kg + (7 dewasa x 60 kg) = 1570 kg -> 1.5 cc

    exora weight 1422 kg + (7 dewasa x 60 kg) = 1482 kg -> 1.6 cc ??

    sy org miskin kena save petrol mana tau next year petrol naik lg

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  • Wan Ja on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Kritik sepatutnya membina, bukan membunuh.

    As a Malaysian, we should proud with our products.

    Frankly speak, my Honda pun,byk kali masuk SC for minor and major check.

    Toyota pun mula2 buat kereta, tak larat naik bukit.

    If we as Malaysian tak boleh support, saper lagi? Dengan harapan, one day, P2 will go global.

    Take Proton for example, dulu copycat org punya jugak, now dah boleh buat design sendiri, engin sendiri.

    Walaupun tak pakai proton and perodua, but saya BANGGA.

    Teruskan, one Im strongly percaya, one day dia orang akan telan jugak air liur tu.

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  • cheapshot on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Dilema untuk keluarga besar:

    – Nak beli Alza, kecik sangat.

    – Nak beli Exora, enjin tak cukup power.

    Ahh, beli Inokom Permas je lah!!

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  • mat preet on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    mpv ni sepatutnya berharga sekitar RM 40k saja.

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  • squawk on Nov 25, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Chana Era is CKD. :-)

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  • Frankly speaking, rational ppl will opt for exora for new and cheap mpv in the market. Exora offers more value to our money in term of safety, handling, comfort etc. The slightly difference of retail price is immaterial compare to alza if u think about carrying ur whole family around. im just trying to be rational, not blindedly fan of certain brand.

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  • ramai yang condemn keta alza…ingat2 i la,byk yang tak mampu pakai keta besau,tah2 pakai motor kapcai ja.kalau luorang banyak duit,pandai…buat keta sendiri….pasal enjin pun lu bising.ok 2..lama pun.. enjin varian toyota jgk….ingat jepun dah establish dlm hal2 ni…kenapa u all demand sangat…u all takda semangat malaysia langsung…tengok korea ,dia orang support brand negara sendiri,even renalutsamsung yang ciplak nissan sentra

    squawk-ckd 2 pasang kat malaysia,barang impot jgk…kan nak murah

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  • swiftmatrix on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Don't gado gado la bros…..

    Both Alza & Exora will suit different people with different taste loooo…

    For me… my Toyota Wish did a good job for me…..

    So my point is, what ever car you drive whether it is Porsh, Merc, Beemer, Alza or Exora… you get what you pay….

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  • ok gak. Cuma rasa macam naik keta je.. (rendah) Anyway bravo. warna cantik. Seat dalam kemas. tahniah…

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  • tahr_bss on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Nice car.. another choice for Malaysian else than Exora. For me both Exora and Alza has their own strength.

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  • nuajon on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    side tepi ada mcm

    changan era shape..

    http://paultan.org/topics/cars/china/changan/

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  • nuajon on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    tkpe nuajon ada iswara and saga blm, nuajon bangga ngn Proton..:-)

    alza ke, avanza ke exora ke..nj tk kisah yg pntg ada kereta hehehee

    tan said,

    November 25, 2009 @ 12:00 pm

    ramai yang condemn keta alza…ingat2 i la,byk yang tak mampu pakai keta besau,tah2 pakai motor kapcai ja.kalau luorang banyak duit,pandai…buat keta sendiri….pasal enjin pun lu bising.ok 2..lama pun.. enjin varian toyota jgk….ingat jepun dah establish dlm hal2 ni…kenapa u all demand sangat…u all takda semangat malaysia langsung…tengok korea ,dia orang support brand negara sendiri,even renalutsamsung yang ciplak nissan sentra

    squawk-ckd 2 pasang kat malaysia,barang impot jgk…kan nak murah

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  • kanasai on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    talking about resale value…

    my yr 2003 kelisa (auto), being sold in this yr aug for RM20K.

    so consider high or low?

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  • 1NZFE (Member) on Nov 25, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    This perodua Alza can export to Indonesia and perodua can import daihatsu luxio from Indonesia. So there will be complete line-up in perodua showroom.

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  • Passed by the showroom last night at 10:45pm and it was PACKED! If the response is anything to go by Alza will outperform Myvi, and the other MPV (although not competing directly).

    Looks as good as Jazz but more room (maybe this is THE selling point).

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  • Prismo on Nov 25, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    mubongok said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

    pandai betul encik prismo..

    RM300 juta untuk buat bumper..abis bodypart 2 import dari jepun ke?

    nak buat bodypart etc pintu, bonet dll kena ada mould..mould tu buat pakai air liur je ke?…production line ingat boleh pakai equipment yg sama ke?

    kalo x tau..x yah ckp..jgn la membongokkan diri anda…dpt info kat web pun komen mcm dah pakar dlm industri automotif…tong kosong!

    ———————————————————–

    Awak mmg pandai… kalo Exora kos develop dia RM450 juta start dari sketch, RnD termasuk mould dan Alza RM300 juta utk buat mould.. jadi bezanya cuma RM150juta.. ko rasa cukup ke utk buat RnD RM150juta tu cuma utk sebuah model baru bermula dari lakaran??

    **********************

    er6n said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

    ko beli BMW makin lama makin naik harga ker bodo??

    ———————————-

    Ni satu lagi beruk tunggal nih… aku tahulah harga keta makin lama makin turun… sebab tu aku prefer utk beli rumah… lagipun, fakta aku base on my own experiences with own cars… kalo org kata yg harga keta P2 ni resale value dia tinggi.. F**k off la….

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  • emmm,bila dah tengok alza,hati memang dah berkenan.harga pun kira ok la,mampu untuk dimiliki.alza ni memang sesuai untuk family yang tak berapa besar.macam saya la,baru ada seorang baby.tapi kalau nak dicampur ngan father mother n adik beradik lagi 2 orang, masih boleh lagi tapi nak pg dekat-dekat bleh la.kalau nak gi jauh,tak bleh gak sebab banyak barang2 kan. pe2 pun, saya memang suka alza ni n memang berura2 nak book.sekarang masih memikirkan yang mana satu untuk dimiliki, satndard / premium auto. tapi sayang skit la kan,standard tak de airbag…tu jer laaa.yang lain suma dah ok.

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  • komeng on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    kenapa aircon dia depan sahaja? kalau hujan yg belakang tu dapat wap sahaja. dah lah seat kat belakang tu duduk dua orang je. satu lagi, dengar cerita model ni toyota punya. Jangan jadi macam rush. …mati perodua nautica.

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  • Automotive_Critics on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    orang miskin said,

    November 25, 2009 @ 9:55 am

    mockviper said,

    November 24, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

    orang miskin said,

    smlm dh tgk live & dh booking

    mcm kami org miskin nk pakai 7 (5+2) seater model lain x mampu so

    ambil alza yg basic pun jadi lar janji dpt rasa

    ———

    kesian ye org miskin ni…mesti dia tak tau ade model lain yg a bit better dari alza basic ni.. beza dia dalam rm2k jer.. dapat full 7 seater and ada airbag.. nmpk sgt tak buat research dulu ni..

    dh buat research for long term utk budget petrol cuba imagine

    alza weight 1150kg + (7 dewasa x 60kg) = 1570kg with 1.5cc

    exora weight 1422kg + (7 dewasa x 60kg) = 1842kg with 1.6cc??

    sy org miskin kena save petrol mana tahu next year naik lg harga petrol

    ———————-

    For Alza you can't seat 2 person with 60kg in third row. So you can't compare with Exora. You need to use express bus or taxi for this additional 60kg person. After calculate it, it will more costly than 7 people cruising together in Exora.

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  • i'm a malaysian, so i support both proton and perodua..

    for me, exora and alza have their own speciality…

    if i'm a woman, i'll buy alza rather than exora…

    if i've big family, i'll surely buy exora without any doubt…

    so guys, make a right choice!!!

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  • hotwheeler on Nov 26, 2009 at 12:16 am

    buat ape beli alza, beli karipap lagi bagus

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  • babygirl on Nov 26, 2009 at 12:48 am

    Avanza ? Alza ?

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  • neo is the best!!!!!

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  • body besa..enjin xleyh blah. mane la padan..wakaka

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  • Anonymous on Nov 26, 2009 at 2:23 am

    Will it drift? :-)

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  • Wikipedia may be able to answer a lot of whinnies abt it's size. if not mistaken this is classified as a compact MPV in Japan, and the original Toyota ad targets lady drivers, with small family (I heard Perodua targets 30-40 years old with young family), so if u r 6ft5 and 170kg, dont like to use condom and have half-dozen of kids, you are barking at the wrong tree.

    Note the "space wagon" comment so it is not far from local comments. (and i dont see why people has problem with calling it a wagon… like the mere mention of wagon turn YOU into a sissy that looks like @ntiPerOdua!)

    here goes:

    A Compact MPV is a car classification used in Europe to describe multi-purpose vehicle versions of small family cars (sometimes also referred to as "compact cars"), fitting between the mini MPV and large MPV sub-segments. In Japan, the term "space wagon" is sometimes used to refer to this type of vehicle.

    Compact MPVs can be classified by their number of seats. Some compact MPVs referred to as six-seaters have three seats both in the front and rear row — examples are the Fiat Multipla and the Honda FR-V. Five and seven-seaters have a more traditional configuration — the first and (if present) third rows with two seats and the middle row with three. The two rear seats are usually smaller than the others, enough for children or for short distances.

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  • and going by height, Alza is more MPV than wagon.

    Wikipedia:

    "estates are under 1500 mm and compact MPVs above 1600 mm tall."

    which makes Livina (1590mm) .. u guess it, a wagon! :-P

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  • Johny 5ive on Nov 26, 2009 at 3:17 am

    i think it is not justified to call P2 a liar for spending 300million only for a copy car from daihatsu.Please bear in mind that 70% of the cost of making a car comes from the powertrain.It is the heart of the car.Imagine all the powertrain technology available in the market like vtec,cps to name few which personalize the product. Based on information, P2 spends most of the development cost in developing and enhancing their own engine manufacturing plant. The machining,casting and assembling process of the engine unit must be made in house.This process requires investment in terms of equipment, raw material, skill and knowledge.To further justify this,P1 cylinder head for their CPS model is made in P2.Plus in order to get the best selling price for this model which will benefit the people and the company, the government tax must be reduced. It is known that in order to obtain minimum gov tax, 90% of the car content must be locally made.That's why P2 is pushing hard to produce most of its part locally and that's where the part of the 300million came from.

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  • jontyan on Nov 26, 2009 at 5:56 am

    Not bad but prefer Exora because I already have a smaller car. At least it doesn't come with Myvi's Rafidah's fat ass™.

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  • jontyan on Nov 26, 2009 at 5:58 am

    It = Alza

    Cheers! ;)

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  • jontyan on Nov 26, 2009 at 6:02 am

    I mean, at least Alza doesn't have that fat ass™

    I wonder whether they're still using the satay/luk luk stick as safety beam for bumper.

    Besides that, great car!

    Cheers ;)

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  • amwatchin (Member) on Nov 26, 2009 at 6:29 am

    i believe most negative comments here are from proton staff. Working very hard to save their exola #$%..ha..ha

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  • ThienWu (Member) on Nov 26, 2009 at 7:09 am

    tan said,

    November 25, 2009 @ 7:16 am

    thienWu…go and buy chana era…imported and cheap…

    ————————————————————

    tan.. already got my stream & CPS.. no need to bazir on this so called "MPV"

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  • just went to see the Alza today.

    to be frank, i only like the engine…

    Exora base line model has 1 airbag, at least….

    and RM57K, larger space, Exora has more value money than the Alza base model.

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  • JKucing on Nov 26, 2009 at 7:14 am

    some ppl call it myvi enhanced version :D

    so……….third row can fit two 160cm ladies or not?

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  • GadgetFreq on Nov 26, 2009 at 8:43 am

    Nice review, PT. IMHO Alza served more like stationwagon. Not intended to put 7 people in the first place but in case of emergency it's possible to do that (but not for a long journey). It works great with 5 people plus extra luggage. I agree its a bit pricey but for the look and brand I (and after my experience with Kenari & Myvi) I'm willing to put my bet again on Perodua. *Keep up the good work! (*If there is perodua staff reading this).

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  • ahmadinejad on Nov 26, 2009 at 8:50 am

    salam….semua kereta malaysia bagus utk org malaysia……biasa ler org yg kutuk kereta buatan sendiri mcm tong kosong tak tahu apa2 sbb org yg terlibat dalam proses membangunkan kereta malaysia jer yg faham…bermula dari R&D sehinggalah ke proses pengeluaran….utk menjadi seperti BMW bukan dengan sekelip mata……byk kegagalan awal sebelum BMW atau kereta mewah yg lain menjadi begitu berjaya…..kalau setakat komen menghentam saja nampak sangat ler betapa bodohnya org itu…..biasa ler org jenis fanatik dan hasad dengki……kalau rasa tak patriotik pada barangan buatan negara sendiri lebih baik tukar kerakyatan….tak perlu hipokrit…..hujan emas negeri org hujan batu negeri sendiri….lebih baik negeri sendiri……saya dah merantau lama kat luar negara…..barangan buatan malaysia adalah yg terbaik……malaysia boleh……

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  • JACK HAMMER on Nov 26, 2009 at 9:21 am

    amwatchin said,

    i believe most negative comments here are from proton staff. Working very hard to save their exola #$%..ha..ha

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    u can believe what u want to believe la.. perodua staff..

    and believe that 55K tin milo wagon (without any safety features) is ok..

    u must be unbelievable stupid..

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  • jontyan said,

    At least it doesn’t come with Myvi’s Rafidah’s fat ass™.

    _________________________________________

    Bro Jontyan

    Sounds like your subconscious speaking.. i love how you attempt to turn that "it" around..way to go man!

    I have considered Myvi, but the biggest turn off is.. well, its Rafidah’s fat ass™! Good thing the Alza doesn't have IT.

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  • biggiebro on Nov 26, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    CONGRATULATIONS TO P2

    Spend RM300 million for R&D on how to DOWNGRADE a Toyota product. Then asked Malaysian to pay for it.

    from the 300++ comments p2 have made a commendable job at it.

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  • ZorroM on Nov 26, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Just came back from P2 showroom yesterday.

    My overall comment:

    Exterior; look very stylish and sporty from the front and side view. Plus point if put bodykit and bigger wheel. Like the purple color. may be much more appealing with darker tint. Rear view; just ok for me.

    Interior; Hard plastic look cheap but dashboard 2tone color and texture appeal much better than exora. Equipment, button are well positioning. Only lack down for me is aircond knob (look cheap), perodua should look into this (add auto aircond is plus point). And of course; 3rd row is very tight for me (exora is better) and dont like the bench type 3rd row seat. Split 50-50 back seat give me option to sit 6 person in the car (of course only for short journey; go picnic/kenduri with parent/relative etc.)

    Anyway, nice car from Perodua.

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  • hello all….

    I'm a normal car user n not a car fanatic…So i would like to share my view on this Alza…i've been waiting for this MPV for so long….n i thought it would be better than other MPV…

    1) Aircon Vent -> sebijik mcm new Saga. Why? dah tarak idea ka?

    the aircond vent for the side n middle different. looks so wierd…

    aircond vent only at the front row…why? its a bad move la…

    2) the aircond knob sooooo fugly… why that round shape… just like my stove knob la…

    3) Does it have autocruise?

    4) whats the latest technology in this Alza? other than foot parking brake?

    5) Sunvisor @ driver side doesn't have mirror -> should have since it targetted for women…

    6) why the signal turn @ the side mirror is yellow colour -> prefer white like Myvi…

    7) Sidemirror adjuster -> the design just like in my sister's old kancil . 10 years old design. why? no new idea? carryover saja?

    8) why need to 'cabut kepala' seat once u need to fold down the 3rd row seat? not practical at all… nnti ilang plak kepala seat tuh anak2 buat main… haiyyaa…

    9) Even in Exora they have some effort to put new technology such as gated gearshift & BCM… why p2 that have 'T & D' DNA does not have gated gearshift just like in Passo Sette? cutcost so much eh? C/O so much.. its like outside have very good design.. but inside very outdated technology & design la…

    10) the 3rd row seat… very not satissfied… should done better

    11) Why perodua didn't introduce any new colour other than thier usual colour silver, white… only the purple one look new for P2 car… but that kind of purple similer to Persona colour… please introduce more colour like exora did..

    WHy Perodua make this kind of MPV… I've been hoped so much n it turns out to be dissapointing me…

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  • budlee on Nov 26, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Agaknya Perodua dh cukup ilmu ker setelah belajar dari Daihatsu..

    Yg pasti, ramai rakyat Malaysia sokong, berbanding yang baca blog nih. Kena la kumpul duit dulu kan, pastu baru buat. Takpe Perodua, walaupun orang kata orang yang sokong Perodua ni mengampu, no hal punyer. Kepada yang fikir kerajaan nak turunkan harga kereta, baik korang berhijrah ke UK atau US. Jangan lah nak mimpi, sejak Proton di tubuhkan, impian korang dh hancur, jadi pakai jer la kereta tahun 80an ko tuh……

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  • kl_cabbie on Nov 26, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    boss booked a few waiting for NGV conversion soon u see this new teksi fleet.

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  • amwatchin (Member) on Nov 26, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    JACK HAMMER said,

    November 26, 2009 @ 1:21 am

    amwatchin said,

    i believe most negative comments here are from proton staff. Working very hard to save their exola #$%..ha..ha

    __________________________________________________________________________

    u can believe what u want to believe la.. perodua staff..

    and believe that 55K tin milo wagon (without any safety features) is ok..

    u must be unbelievable stupid..

    mr jackhammer,

    did i say i reckon alza? u must be damn stupid just like your name to have everything for a 60k car. My proton car also don't have that kind of feature, just drive safely. Again, sorry to say im no perodua people. You must be a die-hard proton salesman rite?? lol

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  • Kampung Boy on Nov 26, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Man… it is just a car… nothing more…

    No need to kutuk2 or use bad word.

    You maybe do not have a chance to apologize to ppl you kutuk2.

    And later… you will regret it. (When the time is coming.)

    Anyway, I am thinking to get Juara. -Small scale Alphard-

    Is it still around?

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  • budlee on Nov 26, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    kampung boy:

    i think there are a few left in the used car lot, this car is practically hard to get, because those who have it, are die hard fans..

    paul:

    you said the second row seating was flawed do that it does not tumble forward right. the Kia Carnival/Naza Ria, second row seating does not tumble either, in order for large and/or tall people to get out from the third seats is to slide and then tilt the seats forward.

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  • what the hell!! on Nov 27, 2009 at 1:03 am

    P2 is not a national car, nothing to be proud with. But really disappointed with the overall dashboard design. Much more better if they just duplicate 100% passo sette interior. What a waste of 300mil investment.

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  • peYno on Nov 27, 2009 at 2:57 am

    ALZA= Ala AVANZA…

    i still remember.. p2 MD said few month ago that this alza is WISH lookalike???

    ha?? WISH lookalike??? hahah that MD must be cheated by big japs..

    yes it has WISH similarity.. "NO 2nd AIR COND"

    prrrfthhhh

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  • mr.proton on Nov 27, 2009 at 3:39 am

    why not so many people condemn the lack of an airbag in the standard version….? why when it comes to p1 e'thin sucks??? apa la proton 1 airbag je.. kedekut la.. ! PERODUA LG KEEKUT… NOT EVEN 1 AIRBAG.. kesian proton…

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  • mr.proton on Nov 27, 2009 at 3:42 am

    tukar badge tukar bumper.. kate this is our very own product… so pathetic…. national car assembler…..

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  • JKucing on Nov 27, 2009 at 3:52 am

    peYno said,

    November 26, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

    ALZA= Ala AVANZA…

    i still remember.. p2 MD said few month ago that this alza is WISH lookalike???

    ha?? WISH lookalike??? hahah that MD must be cheated by big japs..

    yes it has WISH similarity.. “NO 2nd AIR COND”

    prrrfthhhh

    ——————————————

    The front side has some DNA of 'NEW' WISH…… u can have a check… back side is dumb anyway…

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  • kealchg on Nov 27, 2009 at 4:13 am

    Wow, never realise we as Malaysian could get so worked up with the launch of a car…all the names calling, brand bashing, this is embarrassing to say the least. What is it in a car that provoke such outburst? This is beyond me! At the end of the day, you yourself create what ever fantasy or illusion or reality of what is ideal for you.

    Both Perodua and Proton are selling their cars and for crying out loud, no one is imposing values, or anything on you! You want, just buy, don't want, go see another cars! As Malaysian, we should be proud that at least, we have choices, and the freedom to choose whatever car we want! It is our own hard earn money!

    Be thankful that Malaysia Government do not impose the BUY 1 brand of car only policy…many Malaysians can still afford to choose what car they wish to own, despite Government Policies and Red-Tape.

    IT IS JUST A CAR! Let's us not fight over the net just because of "A" car…It is true, we have the freedom of speech but at the same time, we should always respect others for their opinion and taste…respect others as to how we wish to be respected in return.

    All the comments, negative or positive shows that WE as Malaysian consumer can argue with hard and loud facts, not baseless rhetorics and here-say…which I believe shows how mature WE CAN BE. SO BE MATURE!

    I have both Proton and Perodua…and like I say, I choose to see that BOTH brands have contributed much to my family's well being. All wish are fond memories to last a life time.

    Let's comment, but for the betterment of our NATIONAL CARS, not mindless bashing, trying to show who is better at calling the other names…

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  • jontyan on Nov 27, 2009 at 4:41 am

    hey se,

    yea..as a result, our roads are now full of fat ass swerving around…you made a wise choice!

    So..I'm curious..in the end wut car u bought?

    To everyone: I wonder how is Alza's handling compared to Exora. Yes, the size is..well, different category with Exora. Can't compare. But what about handling? Issit comparable with Exora's "Handling by Lotus"? Any ideas guys?

    cheers ;)

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  • mr.proton on Nov 27, 2009 at 5:40 am

    u rite man.. im not a basher.. just dissapointed the way people insulted proton of just put single airbag in basic exora but when it comes to perodua no one highlighted it.. i also agree with u that just buy if u like and just ignore and let the other people to enjoy the car that they really obsessed.. just the negative side, perodua supporters always bashed proton no matte how hard proton tried to improve and accomodate malaysian. i also have problem with my protons.. but not to extent bashing..bashing.. wat i want to do is if i capable to get bmw or audi a4.. surely i buy it.. thats it. please stop bash and condemn.

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  • mr.proton on Nov 27, 2009 at 5:42 am

    1 malaysia………….. hidup kereta nasional. huhuhu

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  • mr.proton on Nov 27, 2009 at 5:44 am

    eh.. why i canot submit comments..

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  • Very nice looking vehicle if can look past the need for an MPV.

    Great headlights.

    Cool car for 4 adults.

    Totally no threat to the Exora.

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  • Not my cup of tea. Prefer the RM57,000 Proton Exora.

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  • autojohndoe on Nov 27, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Ppl in malaysia like to complain… yet, doesnt want to change themselves…

    It is OK to criticize, but do you yourself up to what you ask for?

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  • autojohndoe on Nov 27, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    see the two ALza colours in the picture… it reminds me of my persona's BLUEBERRY TEA and METAL GREY of Proton….

    Hoho….

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  • Ah Bear on Nov 27, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Went to the Tampoi outlet earlier and the sales guy said booking already hit 10k pcs and price will increase like MYVI…….yawn.

    Tested the rear seats…..boleh tahan but the mid seats need to push a bit in front, not much of a problem as still got a little bit of room.

    Manual shifter a bit rough….maybe need more use.

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  • toyoda on Nov 27, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Perodua Rusa (MPV) Replacement Model

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  • GeramHati on Nov 27, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    How come i see less exora in the road? wahahahhahaha cannot sell.

    You will shock during CNY see more alza balik kampong than exora..

    turbo? makan minak lagi ….

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  • hiruma kecil on Nov 27, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    car=copy from T&D

    colour=copy from P1

    name=edit from T avanza

    bumper=copy from ah beng???

    headlight=yes… credit to p2 engineer

    conclusion=who want to order headlight, call perodua….

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  • jontyan

    i have placed my booking for the Alza, but final decision pending test drive. As of now, I think I will likely be an Alza owner after next week!

    Both Alza and Exora are the best of P1 and P2 yet, the decision is depending on what size of car is needed. Freedom of choice, no right or wrong answer..

    kealchg,

    totally agree with your thoughts.. i too wonder what are all the bashing without facts is abt.. even if these are coming from "rival" salesmen, they are better off promoting the positive than the negatives. maybe fans from Kelantan waiiting for football season to start? :-)

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  • Lee123 on Nov 27, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    For the current EXORA car owners, these are for you after the CHEAP and No-standard model are offered:

    THE P1 HAS SHAMED YOU….TAK MALU KE?

    ”PRIDE OWNER (RM75k) ONE MOMENT, JATUH STANDARD THE NEXT(RM57k)”

    “HONOURED ONE MOMENT, CHEATED ON THE NEXT "

    What a downgraded marketing technic? Lured the buyers with pride of owning a luxury(RM75) MPV & then sell their prides by offering a LOW-GRADE ala-C20 van.

    Why make yourself Soooo cheap…. wanted to fight off Perodua, come out with another comparable new model

    ……………………………. hahahaha

    Exora owner, don’t you feel ashame of owning an EXORA.

    where you wanna hide your face laaa..

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  • leo sayer on Nov 27, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    How come i see less exora in the road? wahahahhahaha cannot sell.

    You will shock during CNY see more alza balik kampong than exora..

    turbo? makan minak lagi ….

    =============================================

    During CNY LATER, along the Karak Highway, you can see these EXORA was driven with all windows(7) widely opened.

    WHY? susah mahu naik bukit ma……kerana.kena off-kan air-cond !!!!!!!

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  • Lee123 on Nov 27, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    For the current EXORA car owner, these are for you after the CHEAP and No-standard model is offered:

    THE P1 HAS SHAMED YOU….TAK MALU KE?

    ” Pride owner(rm75k) one moment, Jatuh maruah the next(RM57k)”

    “Honoured one moment, cheated on the next”

    What a downgraded marketing technic? Lured the buyers with pride of owning a luxury MPV, then sell their prides by offering an ala-C20 van(can put in a lot of goods)

    ……………………………. hahahaha

    As an Exora owner, don’t you feel ashame of owning an EXORA.

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  • bendan sagua on Nov 27, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    How come i see less exora in the road? wahahahhahaha cannot sell.

    You will shock during CNY see more alza balik kampong than exora..

    turbo? makan minak lagi ….

    =============================================

    nanti you boleh nampak semua EXORA dekat Karak Highway dipandu dengan 4 cermin terbuka kerana air-cond telah dimatikan…..kalau tidak, kereta tak boleh naik bukit lah………

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  • chyan on Nov 28, 2009 at 12:14 am

    Lee123 said,

    November 27, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

    For the current EXORA car owner, these are for you after the CHEAP and No-standard model is offered:

    THE P1 HAS SHAMED YOU….TAK MALU KE?

    ” Pride owner(rm75k) one moment, Jatuh maruah the next(RM57k)”

    “Honoured one moment, cheated on the next”

    What a downgraded marketing technic? Lured the buyers with pride of owning a luxury MPV, then sell their prides by offering an ala-C20 van(can put in a lot of goods)

    ……………………………. hahahaha

    As an Exora owner, don’t you feel ashame of owning an EXORA.

    ————————————————————–

    Mind your words dude.

    I can feel that even non Exora buyers are looking down on you for saying these things.

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  • unknown on Nov 28, 2009 at 1:05 am

    hey paul,can you tell me how much this kereta mayat already booked

    beware of this car when you saw it on road

    avoid looking directly at the rear of this car

    it may cause heart attack or temporary blindness

    haha

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  • Ah Bear on Nov 28, 2009 at 2:22 am

    Went to the Tampoi outlet earlier and the sales guy said booking already hit 10k pcs and price will increase like MYVI…….yawn.

    Tested the rear seats…..boleh tahan but the mid seats need to push a bit in front, not much of a problem as still got a little bit of room.

    Manual shifter a bit rough….maybe need more use.

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  • hi guys….dah p tengok alza,nice for small family and small guys..

    exora for big fAMILY AND BIG GUYS …THAT ITS….viva forever…

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  • ??????? adaaaaaaa on Nov 28, 2009 at 4:45 am

    apasal kereta alza sama dengan kereta exora????? haaaaaaaa???

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  • ??????? adaaaaaaa on Nov 28, 2009 at 4:47 am

    aku ada 1 juta lembu aku nk lembu aku masuk berita??????heeeeheheee????

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  • mr.proton on Nov 28, 2009 at 5:24 am

    so childish la u lee123….. just go and book ur alza if u have money.. dunt bullshitting here

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  • jontyan on Nov 28, 2009 at 6:42 am

    This is getting from bad to worse..

    Negative no-brain comments are being posted and replied like crazy..My suggestion dear all, just ignore these cynical 3rd world mentality people.

    This reminds me of our so-called 'politicians/leader??' poking each other in here…of course, with their world No.1 bashing skills..haha.

    On the other hand, no one wants to discuss about my 'Alza vs Exora handling performance' topic…yawn..

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  • sazwan on Nov 28, 2009 at 8:14 am

    Guys … dont blame P1 or P2 about the price blame our government tax is too much.. in arab saudi our waja is about 37K only.. why for us cant get the price like that…

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  • GeramHati on Nov 28, 2009 at 8:46 am

    U pun sama jangan bullshit here. balik ke proton fikir baik baik. keluarkan enjin yang bagus! mau tunngu 20 thaun lagi?!

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  • owl.merah on Nov 28, 2009 at 10:29 am

    sapa2 nak beli boleh la bgtau kat aku… sebb aku jual keta…tq

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  • Composer on Nov 28, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Mee said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

    Yes, better buy premium version. More safety. I will buy next year, wait alza owner comment first…

    Mine, this is a car with big luggage room. 5seater with big luggage room while i hav one baby only. Just like to modified it making more sporty. and put a big speaker between da back like Kia Soul and also 20? dvd/tv player. Fuh~nice.

    My budget only rm70k, buy white solid premiun rm63k++ and another rm6k for modification… waulah~ wait my new alza….Here i come…

    —————

    Guys,
    Mee is a big LIAR…supposed to be P2 salesman.. if u read previous thread, he said he booked Alza already…then the next thread he said he is going to book.. i think he got 4 ALza already hahaha..

    Mee, jangan menipu la… “Siakap senohong gelama ikan duri, bercakap bohong lama-lama mencuri duit rakyat..”

    Aku tak suka model perodua ALZA ni, kecuali CRASH TEST ada baru aku tak pertikai..

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  • Composer on Nov 28, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Mee said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

    Yes, better buy premium version. More safety. I will buy next year, wait alza owner comment first…

    Mine, this is a car with big luggage room. 5seater with big luggage room while i hav one baby only. Just like to modified it making more sporty. and put a big speaker between da back like Kia Soul and also 20? dvd/tv player. Fuh~nice.

    My budget only rm70k, buy white solid premiun rm63k++ and another rm6k for modification… waulah~ wait my new alza….Here i come…

    —————

    Guys,
    Mee is a big LIAR…supposed to be P2 salesman.. if u read previous thread, he said he booked Alza already…then the next thread he said he is going to book.. i think he got 4 ALza already hahaha..

    Mee, jangan menipu la… “Siakap senohong gelama ikan duri, bercakap bohong lama-lama mencuri duit rakyat..”

    Aku tak suka model perodua ALZA ni, kecuali CRASH TEST ada baru aku tak pertikai..

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  • Composer on Nov 28, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Mee said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

    Yes, better buy premium version. More safety. I will buy next year, wait alza owner comment first…

    Mine, this is a car with big luggage room. 5seater with big luggage room while i hav one baby only. Just like to modified it making more sporty. and put a big speaker between da back like Kia Soul and also 20? dvd/tv player. Fuh~nice.

    My budget only rm70k, buy white solid premiun rm63k++ and another rm6k for modification… waulah~ wait my new alza….Here i come…

    —————

    Guys,
    Mee is a big LIAR…supposed to be P2 salesman.. if u read previous thread, he said he booked Alza already…then the next thread he said he is going to book.. i think he got 4 ALza already hahaha..

    Mee, jangan menipu la… “Siakap senohong gelama ikan duri, bercakap bohong lama-lama mencuri duit rakyat..”

    Aku tak suka model perodua ALZA ni, kecuali CRASH TEST ada baru aku tak pertikai..

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  • Gobuk Taragang on Nov 28, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Bagus beli keropok lekor… keropok lekor lagi best…

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  • 4G63tDSM on Nov 28, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Went and took a loot at the Alza last night.

    Its not thaaat bad as some people put it. perhaps my expectations for it is in line with what I know about the car.

    Few things that could be improved

    ISOFIX/LATCH points

    Split fold 3rd row.

    A little stiffer seat foam (its too soft for long distance driving I think)

    Make an optional wagon like boot cover, since most of the time, the 3rd row would be stowed flat.

    A/C could be better. Whatever Perodua says, you need a 2nd blower. The saving grace is that it is small so you don't need as much cooling.

    Price is another matter all togehter. The 2nd row pass exit is a bit difficult with the 2nd row at foremost position but its something that we can live with- it would mostly be a 4-5 pass car.

    Driver seat is adjustable (and quite high), visibility is good, everything is easy to adjust and in reach. The long rear doors while giving good access for the rear would be a problem in tight parking spots…

    Otherwise, like my wife puts it. Its a Myvi with 2 extra seats and more toys. Small enough to not be difficult to drive and park, big enough to be usefull.

    The big rear doors make putting child seats and carriers a joy.

    I believe people like my wife (and our young family) is the perfect targeted demographic. If you are not like her (ie a guy with a large family), you'd probably feel it's a useless vehicle.

    Power is decent, its quite spritly and responsive maybe due its rather low weight. Very much like the 1.6L Grand Livina we tested earlier in the year. Handling is quite car like and its not something that I would worry about.

    It would be difficult to make up for that 20k price diffence for the 1.6L GL which we are cross shopping with the Alza. Interior room seems the same in the Alza and the GL dispite being 20cm shorter

    That said, I would prefer the Exora if it had come with a better engine (ie the turbo Campro). But this would be the wife's car, so she gets to choose. Might get it next year…unless Naza fixes the 2nd row seat on its Rondo…which we both had agreed to get before they messed up.

    And for that its worth, if you take out the 3rd row (just a few bolts) you get a hugh boot!

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  • chap_de_x on Nov 28, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    heh confused perodua….a car is a car la..mpv is mpv la…how can a car become mpv…how apple can be orange….as a person that also contribute in the development of this so called "MPV" i dont really proud about it…as a car assembler perodua should contribute more to the community by giving the best package to its product line up….no airbag for standard????what a crap…from my chit chat with DMC people i work with before, they honestly said sales for passo sette at japan is less then 50 units per month….thats why they bring it here….because they know malaysian mentality always worship outside product so it will sell well here….

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  • gen2lama on Nov 28, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    hahaha…geraam hati geram tak mampu beli exora…

    – proud owner of h line exora…..balik kampung 7 orang maa..bukan 5 orang + beg letak bumbung macam train kat indon & india….shame maa..

    cruise control, full row aircond…perghhh…cuising with all the passanger 'tengok wayang' makan popcorn….bukan mcm 5 seater mpv …semua orng bosan maa…panasss…kena riba beg….bahu lengoh kena bengkok skit..baru muat maa…

    minyak jimat ka?…applicable to viva only…body kosong ringan confrm la minyak kurang…nak fc jimat tapi 'sumbat' 7 orang (muatka?)…balik kg …engine design untuk 2+2+1 only mau bawak 7 adults…..heehheh shame man…duit abis bayar kete sampai minyak pun tak bleh beli…ada anak lebih nak ikut kena belikan tiket bas, then jemput kat bus station…tapi make sure semua passanger kena turun dulu…nanati tak muat maa….

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  • eddie on Nov 28, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    don buiy p1 and p2 anymore!!! secondhand no value!! go for stream…

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  • Alza will compete with Avanza, Citra, Rhondo, Stream, Wish, Rush and Livina.

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  • mrperodua on Nov 28, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    hehehehe apa la u all, gado2..kito org x declare pun alza tu 100% mpv, Tagline "CAR one moment, MPV d next"..sendiri mau ingat la, kita org transparent k..kalau anda isi 7 org dewasa dgn bagasi dan mengharapkan keselesaan, wowo sori! Alza bukan pilihan yang tepat. Profil family malaysia dah berubah sedekad yg lalu. Purata bilangan ahli family sudah berkurangan dari 6 kpd 4 org. so Perodua Alza ni boleh bersifat kereta dan juga Mini MPV seperti Tagline Alza diatas..Dari segi pasaran malaysia buat masa ini memang ianya 1 keperluan..Kita study Market beb! memang kita copy n paste model dari toyota malah teknikal support pun toyota dan daihatsu yg advice TETAPI YANG PENTING CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. adakah anda pernah melihat myvi tersadai ditepi jalan atas masalah teknikal??? (kecuali kemalangan, kehabisan petrol, banjir dan tayar pancit – itu bukan masalah teknikal – )..sedangkan myvi sudah hampir 6 tahun diatas jalanraya malaysia, untuk pengetahuan myvi adalah model copy n paste jugak..model asal dari toyota passo dan daihatsu boon..kenapa kurang masalah? sebab nya RnD dan troble shoot sudah dibuat ketika berjenama toyota passo dan daihatsu boon. Bila ditukar nama kpd Myvi (generasi ke3) memang rakyat malaysia sangat bertuah kerana telah mendapat kereta yang hampir perfect dari segi teknikal berada dipasaran ketika itu, dan hasil kualiti teknikal tersebut sudah terbukti sangat sukses!! dan kita adalah saksi kepada kenyataan tersebut! Atas kejayaan tersebut kini kami ulangi kali ke 2 untuk seluruh rakyat malaysia atas konsep yang sama kami bawa masuk model asal yang bernaung di bawah toyota (toyota passo sette) dan Daihatsu (Daihatsu Luminas) dan di MALAYSIA kami namakan ALZA!!! Anda tidak akan menyesal kerana kegemilangan teknikal nya sudah terbukti di Toyota dan Daihatsu. JOM BOOKING!!! CONTACT ME, please release my email to public …[email protected]…TQ PAUL!

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  • Composer on Nov 28, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Mee said,

    November 23, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

    Yes, better buy premium version. More safety. I will buy next year, wait alza owner comment first…

    Mine, this is a car with big luggage room. 5seater with big luggage room while i hav one baby only. Just like to modified it making more sporty. and put a big speaker between da back like Kia Soul and also 20? dvd/tv player. Fuh~nice.

    My budget only rm70k, buy white solid premiun rm63k++ and another rm6k for modification… waulah~ wait my new alza….Here i come…

    —————

    Guys,

    Mee is a big LIAR…supposed to be P2 salesman.. if u read previous thread, he said he booked Alza already…then the next thread he said he is going to book.. i think he got 4 ALza already hahaha..

    Mee, jangan menipu la… "Siakap senohong gelama ikan duri, bercakap bohong lama-lama mencuri duit rakyat.."

    Aku tak suka model perodua ALZA ni, kecuali CRASH TEST ada baru aku tak pertikai..

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  • mrperodua on Nov 28, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    one more thing plese la perodua x copy design exora pun, jangan kondem exora atau alza, masing2 ada pro n kontra, as sales person u juz bgtau apa kelebihan produk u all plus dgn fakta pratikal. jangan subut fakta teori, nama pun teori hehehe, 4 me alza wil b on the road midlle of feb next year, so byk komen teori disini yg kurang tepat seperti mula2 myvi lnching, but its ok..komen negetif pasal myvi byk tapi sekarang ramai tutup mulut, NOW MYVI RULES THE ROAD!

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  • asraf on Nov 28, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    to sum it all up..

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    YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY

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  • ngage on Nov 28, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    kesian proton…proton mau hasil kereta mampu milik bagi rakyat…tetapi sesetengah "orang gila!" tu cuma tau hina proton…mereka kutuk bahawa exora b-line tak selamat….wat the f*ck?!!!….ia ade 1 airbag dan 4 star euro ncap keselamatan!!!…avanza1.3 dan alza std yang harganya hampir dgn exora tetapi apa2 pun tak de…tetapi "org-org gila" tu tak berani kutuk…lagipun exora lebih besar…kalau proton hasil mpv saiz kecil,mereka tentu kutuk…mereka tu cuma tau kutuk proton,kereta buatan m'sia…memang pemusnah imej negara!!!

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  • tok janggut on Nov 28, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    Bawa bertenang semua yang kutuk2 tu.. Kira orait la Malaysia nak gak tolong

    buat kereta untuk rakyat, sekali pun rebadge. Agak2 kalau bawak masuk passo sette tu berbaloi ke org nak beli? Lg pun malaysia ni kan masih baru dlm bidang ni, x kan nak samakan dgn otai2 kat japan nuh.. walau apa pun syukur la dgn apa yang ada. Jgn plak beli caldina GT4 masuk rim 19 pastu tgh bulan makan mee segera. Kui..kui..kui.

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  • OMG!!!! No teh tarik hook??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    this gotta be the end of this world!!! OMG!!!

    heheh…..f u p1 basher!

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  • Kevin on Nov 29, 2009 at 12:53 am

    I have a feeling it will have an impact on the Myvi and high line Pesona's.

    It is a reasonably good choice for anyone with a budget of around 60k.

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  • as.kum….1Malaysia….Alza boleh dikatakan ok la….tapi cuma harga agak tak sesuai….dan juga kekurangan satu benda iaitu aircond tak sampai belakang…sb saya dah cuba testdrive hari siang waktu tengahari….mmg terasa bahang panas nya jika duduk d bahagian belakang…so perlu ada aircond kedua untuk ruang duduk belakang…Harga kalau boleh biarlah paras RM55k kebawah RM45K….

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  • asraf on Nov 29, 2009 at 5:08 am

    I saw Alza today.. didn't test-drive it.

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    It's an okay car..

    ..

    why it's controversial – because they call it an MPV, or a 7-seater.. it's better with a wagon or estate car tagline – but less glamourous of course..

    ..

    anyhow – I suspect it will become popular, almost like Myvi.. but with the Exora just 2k away.. it will be a stiff competition.. which is what we buyers want..

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    again..

    ..

    YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY..

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  • Composer on Nov 29, 2009 at 6:15 am

    aj said,

    November 28, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

    …Harga kalau boleh biarlah paras RM55k kebawah RM45K….

    ———–

    cannot la..nanti harga Myvi jatuh hehe… myvi dahla bonet kecik giler… RAMAI PEMILIK MYVi MENYESAL BILA ALZA KELUAR.. kesian to all Myvi kontot user…

    Anyway, this ALZA cannot drive as fast as CUCUKMAN's Persona…. makan asap jela naik ALza ni…

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  • ngage on Nov 29, 2009 at 7:20 am

    juz make a comparision…

    exora b-line (rm57k): 1 airbag,4-star euro ncap safety,3rd row aircond blower,bigger space…

    alza std (rm55k): no airbag,no abs,much smaller…

    exora:space for 7 adults

    alza:space for 5 adults and may be 2 childs

    meanwhile,exora m-line which the price is a bit higher than alza premium got completed safety features,and you can get much bigger space…

    is it the exora is much much more valuable?!

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  • geram hati, xperlu tunggu tunggu 20 tahun lagi, tahun depan, standbylah protn bwk kuar enjin lain. hang ni duk dlm gua@dalam laut???

    mrperodua, pd pendapat saya, memang kete keluaran perodua bagus dari segi fit n finish, build quality, tetapi tentang safety aspect, saya mushkil coz dah tengok passo original dgn myvi aka passo(kata org malaysia). memang luaran sama, tapi bile bukak bumper, bukak panel pintu, memang berbeza dari segi rekaan besi n ketebalan besi(org kata front n side impact beam). kenapa jadi lagu tuh, memang org buat perubahan pada exterior, tapi crash beam, xsepatutnya buat perubahankan. em, satu lagi, kenapa passo sette dtg dgn 109ps n 141 nm, tapi alza dtg dengan 104ps n 136 nm, enjin sama, knp didowngradekan??? bleh tlg terang coz anda merupakan salesman perodua, so tlg la bagi keterangan. kami rakyat Malaysia nak tau.

    satu lagi, kenapa berat lowest spec passo sette berat dia 1170kg manapula alza ADVANCED EDITION AUTO berat dia 1168kg aje???kenapa jadi lagu tuh, takkan alza advanced edition pandai diet kot. tolong jawab k.

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  • peYno on Nov 29, 2009 at 7:52 am

    mrperodua

    Myvi laku dulu sebab org mesia bodoh… mudah kena tipu dgn benda berbau jepun.. tapi tu dulu… tapi lepas viva keluar and la ni ALa avanZA keluar.. org mesia dah bijak dah.. tak mudah terkagum dgn bau jepun tak macam thn dulu..

    prrfthhh

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  • peYno on Nov 29, 2009 at 8:01 am

    mrperodua said,

    November 28, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

    hehehehe apa la u all, gado2..kito org x declare pun alza tu 100% mpv, Tagline “CAR one moment, MPV d next”..sendiri mau ingat la, kita org transparent k..kalau anda isi 7 org dewasa dgn bagasi dan mengharapkan keselesaan, wowo sori! Alza bukan pilihan yang tepat. Profil family malaysia dah berubah sedekad yg lalu. Purata bilangan ahli family sudah berkurangan dari 6 kpd 4 org. so Perodua Alza ni boleh bersifat kereta dan juga Mini MPV seperti Tagline Alza diatas..Dari segi pasaran malaysia buat masa ini memang ianya 1 keperluan..Kita study Market beb! memang kita copy n paste model dari toyota malah teknikal support pun toyota dan daihatsu yg advice TETAPI YANG

    =====

    prrrfthh kelakar lak dgr cite mr perodua.. kita study kununn.. dah sah2 jadi pak turut jepun.. study kunun,, kalau study dah tentu buat

    nd aircond kat alza ni.. bukan satu aircond cam versi jepun..

    cuba ditanya kena buat meter kat tengah tu… sebab jepun buat.. dia pon buat la.. heheh

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  • MRpotato on Nov 29, 2009 at 10:09 am

    hahaha…a lot of baddest comments…typical style of commenting by malaysian. Why dont we 'refurbish' the use of a language so that we look professional in commenting each others.

    dont let emotional control our brain. oooooo…because you are commenting from no where, people dont know who you are, – you can simply throw whatever you like – again because nobody is seeing yourself. What a very poor attitude or to be precise – guna bahasa kurang ajar.

    if you dont like proton or perodua, write it down neatly and show point to point what you've got.. Dont keep insulting and provoking.

    some are clearly just want to 'bash' others rather than commenting the car which is the subject in our discussion.

    all those with their provoking lines in internet, can be smaller that a rat when it goes face to face in the real world. haha2…they are really funny. know what, they can speak gently, just nice…not like we are seeing in this paultan or others' website or blog.

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  • MRpotato on Nov 29, 2009 at 10:11 am

    hahaha…a lot of baddest comments…typical style of commenting by malaysian. Why dont we ‘refurbish’ the use of a language so that we look professional in commenting each others.

    dont let emotional control our brain. oooooo…because you are commenting from no where, people dont know who you are, – you can simply throw whatever you like – again because nobody is seeing yourself. What a very poor attitude or to be precise – guna bahasa kurang ajar.

    if you dont like proton or perodua, write it down neatly and show point to point what you’ve got.. Dont keep insulting and provoking.

    some are clearly just want to ‘bash’ others rather than commenting the car which is the subject in our discussion.

    all those with their provoking lines in internet, can be smaller that a rat when it goes face to face in the real world. haha2…they are really funny. know what, they can speak gently, just nice…not like we are seeing in this paultan or others’ website or blog.

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  • mrperodua on Nov 29, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    its ok la, bg sy x perlu la gado2 dan kutuk2 exora atu alza, ikut bajet n selera masing2, persepsi pada alza u all berhak tentukan. Alza akan on d road pd middle of feb next year, so kt tunggu dan lihat, byk komen base on teori disini, sama juga seperti myvi masa mula2 nak keluar dulu. Now MYVI RULES THE ROAD! so sejarah akan berulang for this alza. Sape2 yg bekerja as sales person, u kena push produk u dgn product knowledge, jgn kondem n kutuk2 produk lain, persepsi dari cust pada u is very important, B a smart sales person. Sape2 sales person yg emo n selalu kondem2 produk proton atau perodua, sy rasa u all bawa bertenang la, jangan sampai cust pandang negetif pada kita kerana lebih byk mengutuk produk lain dari promot produk yang kita nak jual. ok guys!

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  • initial R on Nov 29, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    Why P2 salesman always said refer to T & D badge for referance. Please show your self the true of your skin. Mrprodua, P2 no need to do the market survey @ study. T & D supporters will buy the P2 coz price just slightly cheap even u just put old engine in it. I have test drive the original unit last month & i can said that Malaysian easy been con by the brand…. " Tak perlu P2 tunjukkan semuanya, Cuma tengok T & D dah tau kualiti P2 sama macam Ori". Malaysia beriklim Tropika, jadi perlu ke blower kat seat belakang ?. Jawapan adalah "PERLU" sebab cuaca kat malaysia adalah 6 bulan panas & 6 bulan sejuk, Kebanyakkan rakyat malaysia pula berdarah panas (Segala jenis makanan makan… hehe… no offence). Why need to wait 20 years ?. I dengar Turbo spec dalam peringkat akhir ujian & kemungkinan tahun depan atau hujung tahun depan akan kuar P1 Turbo spec. New engine, masih dalam peringkat ujian so kita kena sabar le…. P1 dalam tempoh 25 tahun dah banyak berubah…. Dalam beberapa tahun banyak model baru dah kuar & lari dari design asal Mitshu…. Sementara P2 plak dari asal tubuh sampai sekarang tak berubah, masih cut, paste & tukar badge @ design bumper. Apa teknologi yang belajar kat situ ?. RM300m untuk pemasangan enjin dalam negara ?. Banyak kata P1 ada kroni, tapi P2 lagi banyak kroni kat belakang tabir untuk keuntungan besar dengan hasil kualiti yang kurang. Alza sepatutnya full spec dengan harga RM60k jika diambil kira size dengan pembuatan di Malaysia. Tapi apa ynag dapat adalah sesuatu yang kurang diyakini. Aku yakin lepas nie P2 akan kuarkan test crash tapi guna body asal T & D bukan dari P2 sebab nak mempertingkatkan jualan, jadi bila kita tanya test crash nanti ada le buktikan ?. Sekali lagi kena tipu hidup2.

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  • marketer on Nov 29, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    I think the figure is showing the exact situation of the matket. http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/articl…
    Only 1645 units of Proton Exora sold in the month of October. Whereas 3500 units of Perodua Alza are being booked in 10 days since its launching.

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  • peYno on Nov 30, 2009 at 12:04 am

    marketer.. it's normal for auto industry.. ppl interested to wait /see and buy New launched product…no doubt alza sales figure will be increased as we compare AVANZA vs INNOVA sales.. but alza actually attract myvi and AVANZA potential buyer compared to exora

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  • peYno on Nov 30, 2009 at 12:27 am

    mrperodua

    kan aku dah cakap.. myvi rules the road tu sebab org mesia mmg mudah terkagum dgn benda bau jepun.. tu aje.. bukan sebab perodua tu sendiri..

    syarikat mana pon kalau rebadge keta jepun .. sume boleh success… tgk kalau syarikat bawah pokok cherry kalau rebadge Honda Jazz,.. tuka bumper skit pon boleh laku…

    NAZA tu kurang berjaya.. sebab dia rebadge keta korea.. persepsi org malaysia terhadap keta korea masih tak berubah..

    cuba kalau NAZA rebadge Nissan ka Honda ka… lingkup la p2 tu

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  • the big blue bear on Nov 30, 2009 at 12:47 am

    At the end of the day, another winner for P2.

    Misery for others.

    The end.

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  • peYno on Nov 30, 2009 at 4:45 am

    the big blue bear

    not for now.. malaysian are smart oredi… not like 5 years ago mindset..

    prrrtfhhh..

    target sales not as good as expected????

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  • khairulanuar on Nov 30, 2009 at 7:19 am

    "Car one moment, MPV the next"….

    This vehicle is experiencing identity crisis.

    Or it has double personality.

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  • mrperodua on Nov 30, 2009 at 7:22 am

    relax gus, ada persoalan yg boleh sy jawab dan ada persoalan yang x mampu sy jawab bcoz sy bukan designer n teknikal so pasal harga sy x boleh kata apa. kalau harga 10k saya akan push utk jual dan kalau harga 100k pun sy harus jual.

    peYno said,

    November 28, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

    Myvi laku dulu sebab org mesia bodoh… mudah kena tipu dgn benda berbau jepun.. tapi tu dulu… tapi lepas viva keluar and la ni ALa avanZA keluar.. org mesia dah bijak dah.. tak mudah terkagum dgn bau jepun tak macam thn dulu..

    prrfthhh…

    peYno orang malaysia x bodo, jangan jadikan diri anda kelihatan bodoh dgn mengatakan org lain bodoh lebih2 lagi u mengatakan ORANG MALAYSIA BODOH! Mereka beli kereta jenama apa pun, itu hak mereka, duit mereka, suka hati mereka, U sales person proton ke??..Malang la syarikat mana yang ambil u bekerja dgn atitiud buruk..THIS IS 4 U peYno..MYVI ALREADY N STILL RULES THE ROAD! VIVA 4EVER N ALZA THE NEXT!!!

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  • ngage on Nov 30, 2009 at 7:26 am

    juz make a comparision…(MUST SEE!!!)

    EXORA b-line(rm57k): 1 airbag,4star EURO NCAP safety,3rd row aircond outlets,bigger space,LOTUS ride & handling…

    ALZA std(rm55k): no airbag & abs,smaller…

    EXORA=space for 7 adults=comfortable

    ALZA=space not suitable for 7 adults=less comfy

    meanwhile,the EXORA m-line which comes with completed safety features,and its price juz a little bit higher than ALZA premium

    fr the comparision,is it the EXORA is vry much VALUABLE than ALZA?

    i thk YES!!!!!!!!

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  • mrperodua on Nov 30, 2009 at 7:29 am

    5 years ago punya MALYSIAN STILL ALIVE UNTILL TODAY peYno..Berhati hati dan berfikir la secara rasional sebelum mengatakan sesuatu…

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  • tested drive the Advanced Edition today. Overall nothing to shout abt for 65k car but in Bolehland, given the choices at this price, this is a pretty good pick.

    – packed 6 adult + 2 kids (i invited 3 macho potential customers to join our drive to stress it maximum), the car still moved! but felt a bit under power. Since it is not meant to sit so many, I would say the engine is right to move small family like 2 adult + 3 kids, may max 4 adult+3 kids.

    – slide the 2nd row seat all the way to the back (almost toughing 3rd row seat), makes a BIG sedan with plenty of boot space. The second row can also recline much more than the usual sedan.

    – sat the the 3rd row during test drive (by my wife), i can feel the AC blowing at my face and cool enough (to be fair, the AE had leather seats and tinted window, and the car was already cool by previous test drives) so I can imagine the AC working well on a Premium version, if u can put up with the heat for the initial 5-10 mins or so, as long as u have a good tint.

    – It does fit the tagging of a compact MPV as I have already think of more ways (purpose) to use it than the std sedan

    – overall, the performance is pretty average and would meet expectation of most "smart Malaysian" looking to fit small family for a price tag of 65k.

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  • Anti P1 & P2 Bas on Nov 30, 2009 at 7:55 am

    There are more people that bashing rather than give good comment.. Please la, if u like p1 or p1 salesman, go to exora site, put nice word, give good comment.. P2 fans or salesman, dont hentam p1 on alza site.. tell wats good about alza laa.. Why put hate into each other??? People are not stupid, they know their own needs and will buy based on their needs!! Both alza and exora have pro and cons.. Alza kecik, exora besar.. Alza jimat skit minyak compare exora..

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  • mat lee senbo on Nov 30, 2009 at 8:13 am

    dear all..

    gud opinions frm u all la.every models of machines got their pro n contra.just imagine on how u r going to have a 'fully satisfied' machine.something that u bought n valued to ur money.in term of cars, i don't think so lah.

    btw, just imagine on how u r going to have a very2 nice car/mpv or what so ever,with budgetted prices, complete safety features, spacious, pick up, fuel save, low maintenance or what so ever, agak2 boleh dapat ke???

    but for comparison exora n alza, for me the interior plastics of alza much3 better rather than exora..thats the main reason i did not own an exora.too simple reason.coz i think that proton shouldn't compromise with that simple thing..sakit mata memandang la bro…..

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  • krelz on Nov 30, 2009 at 8:32 am

    i feel weird here?

    pesal x der video crash?(pnting tu)

    sah2 la kualiti x der…

    kalau exident saper susah??

    aku gak tau!!!(mekanik)

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  • Red car on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    ngage,

    hah, exora got euro ncap 4 star rating…r u sure?

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  • peYno on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    mrperodua

    aku bukan p1 salesman.. aku cuma org mesia yg geli tgk kebodohan org mesia yg mudah kena tipu dgn jepun… aku yg dok jepun lama pon tak lebih2..prrrfthh

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  • peYno on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    mrperodua

    typical stupid japanese puppet.. org condemn p2 je terusd kena label p1 salesman..

    wake up bro.. malaysian are not stupid as 5 years ago.

    just be a puppet .. u will success..p2 buat study kununnnnn…prrrfthhh

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  • 1MaLaysIa (Member) on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    I would comment this car as a small Mpv for Small Family. For bigger Family i Suggest Exora. The space is just too small, it may have bigger wheel base as compared to Exora, but it doesn't mean it have the stability as good as the Exora. And one more thing i would like to hghlight, I would suffocated at the back, as they only provide one blower, Mpv, should have two blower for air circulation. It makes it more like a sedan instead of a Mpv.

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  • peYno on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    krelz

    if u ask p2 salesman why got no crash test.. they will ask u to refer sette or luminas crash test result.. dia kata sama..prrrfthhhh

    kereta perasan MPV

    crash test perasan sama dgn TnD

    prrrfthhh

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  • peYno on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    I used to drive the ORI luminas in Japan and i found a lot of features have been downgraded.. no head rest at middle of 2nd row seat??..

    it is funny to see p2 try hard to convince ppl that the ALZA aircond is strong enough until u can feel the air at 3rd row seat..

    is there a passenger at 2nd row seat at that time???

    this ALZA use similar engine as AVANZA.. but the power output is differ… why?? ALZA (104hp).. AVANZA(108hp)

    overall power to weight ratio AVANZA is better, means ALZA has low pick up compare to AVANZA

    i do believe p2 will export ALZA to ASEAN market as ppl in Japan calleb p2 as Daihatsu Malaysia.. but ppl in Malaysia call it NATIONAL CAR…

    I would say, ALZA suppose to be assembled and made by Toyota/Daihatsu Indonesia.. but due to special offer given by our gorv to Daihatsu… Daihatsu has agreed to allow p2 assemble thier car..coz in Malaysia p2 got special threatment as "NATIONAL CAR" status

    pls correct me if it's wrong

    and how about crash test??? don't ask us to refer sette or luminas crash test result ok… statement ALZA meets japs requirement is a bit misleading

    neway.. for me this car is nothing to shout as i have been leaving in Japan for more than 6 years, getting bored with Japanese car design.. so for me the ALZA design is boring..but ofcoz in malaysia ppl will praise it as we have a lot of ah beng japanese wanabe in Malaysia.. rite?? prrrfthhh

    u should test drive ori version of sette/luminas then you will know what i'm trying to say

    bye..prrrrthhhh

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  • peYno on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    mrberoktua said

    peYno orang malaysia x bodo, jangan jadikan diri anda kelihatan bodoh dgn mengatakan org lain bodoh lebih2 lagi u mengatakan ORANG MALAYSIA BODOH! Mereka beli kereta jenama apa pun, itu hak mereka, duit mereka, suka hati mereka, U sales person proton ke??..Malang la syarikat mana yang ambil u bekerja dgn atitiud buruk..THIS IS 4 U peYno..MYVI ALREADY N STILL RULES THE ROAD! VIVA 4EVER N ALZA THE NEXT!!!

    =============

    this only happen in 3rd world country Malaysia..Juara Kampung .. neway u forgot mention p2 NAUTICA..

    prrrfthhh

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  • gen2lama on Nov 30, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    mat lee senbo….

    review dari web lain…material same as myviii….just handling better than myvi..

    u think plastic my vii so good haa…

    look at this la…real life situation…loook at the lady…so bengang beb…maybe the window stuck..then the rubber lining broken…black trianggle side mirrow cover broken also…then the door panel baraiii.so lembik la the door panel……happened in front of my eyes..

    http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu300/gen2lama… http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu300/gen2lama…

    not to say bad thing la…just to share something…

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  • Jedimaster on Nov 30, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    I js Booking my Alza, Somehow i still not yet test drive.Coz hv comfident with perodua car. AS experiance too many Proton part faulty. js like changing our govement. Want to change back, Do it right and well also got to wait another 10 year.

    and i cannot find any showroom hv silver color car, anyone saw silver color alza, please let me know where?

    js for information who want to book next year, the Loan interst rate will go up by 1 of january.

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  • peYno

    I believe most people who visits this forum wants to know what they can buy instead of what they cannot buy with 65k ringgit. eg. the engine is fully imported from Japan ka? or built in Rawang, or Indo? What are the strength (Yes! Strength!) and weaknesses. These are good info for decision making, especially when we have to stretch the ringgit.

    Forget abt P1, P2, Toyota, Daihatsu, sette, luminas, national vs non national car, or Japanese wannabes. we already knew that we are short changed as a result of the NAP to protect local auto industry. Is it going to help the consumer if Alza is branded as a non-national car today, for national pride, or otherwise?

    So, as a world citizen who has years of experience living abroad, hence, better view and broader perspective, pls enlighten us, if u have 65k looking for 4 wheels in bolehland, will you buy Alza? if not, what is your recommendation and why?

    Stating the problem is easy, it will be more beneficial and value adding to also suggest solution

    eg.

    1. Keep 64k in BoJ to earn interest, buy a CBU bicycle from Japan to ride to work (never mind 2 wheels less, but still an option for some)

    2. Convert all 65k to yen, migrate to Japan and buy the real deal. (i dont see a lot of wannabe wanting to do this, there are a lot more better wannabe options, wanting to be Japanese? i dont think so.)

    3. Keep 65k cash and jump from twin tower (probably not an option for most)

    s

    After all, if u did not join this forum to seek, then u must be here to give. If u r neither, then u must be a salesman from P1, P2, or some other Japanese automakers trying to work the wrong way. Other than that, I am interested to know why u need to waste ur time here.

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  • initial R on Nov 30, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Red car said,

    November 30, 2009 @ 10:11 am

    —————————————————-

    The place that used to test Exora have been used by so many car maker most of them are branded. Tested for safety approval design & rules are same complience, result also equevalance as Euro NCAP.

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  • sensei81 on Nov 30, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Cheers, our country is a free country, everyone has right to express his or her opinion. Let say you are not in favour of a car, you may state your comment or opinion or reason, ie; you’ll never go for the Alza because it’s not as spacious as you need or you’ll not go for an Exora because of your previous experience with proton or you’ll not go for an entry level honda because of the ridiculous taxation. Then that’s enough. Semua org boleh menilai dan mempunyai pendapat. But apa yg aku heran when there are numbers of commentators here that keep coming in the thread and trying to impose your ridiculous mentality seolah2 mcm nak paksa org ikut pemikiran you. That’s totally bullshit. just simply nyatakan pendapat anda and enough tak payahlah muncul byk kali nyatakan pendapat2 yg narrow minded mcm org lain bodoh sgt. Anyway aku heran kenapa kalau anda dah tak minat dgn perodua alza tp masuk thread ini dan berulang2 kali express pendapat2 yg akhirnya menunjukkan kenaifan anda. Come on guys kitorg tak bodoh, we have power to buy and we will decide. Somehow aku rase mcm ade usaha terancang dr pihak2 tertentu dlm thread ni utk mensabotaj alza…. Attack giler2 why? what r u guys fear of?

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  • Jackson Lim on Dec 01, 2009 at 1:10 am

    hei all my friends. i am an Exora owner. I feel very bad when people say this good and that bad. I ask you have you try? Exora not an under power. I share with you, Exora can run 160KM and only RM50 for 450 kilo meter (kuching to Sibu) no joking not even Affered can chase me. You say under power…. ???? haha you just say say… you dont know my friend.Exora can say is a very stable mpv and is a real trust mpv. Avanza ??? not even can see my shadow.

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  • tokmoh on Dec 01, 2009 at 1:28 am

    kealchg said,

    November 26, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

    Wow, never realise we as Malaysian could get so worked up with the launch of a car…all the names calling, brand bashing, this is embarrassing to say the least. What is it in a car that provoke such outburst? This is beyond me! At the end of the day, you yourself create what ever fantasy or illusion or reality of what is ideal for you.

    Both Perodua and Proton are selling their cars and for crying out loud, no one is imposing values, or anything on you! You want, just buy, don’t want, go see another cars! As Malaysian, we should be proud that at least, we have choices, and the freedom to choose whatever car we want! It is our own hard earn money!

    Be thankful that Malaysia Government do not impose the BUY 1 brand of car only policy…many Malaysians can still afford to choose what car they wish to own, despite Government Policies and Red-Tape.

    IT IS JUST A CAR! Let’s us not fight over the net just because of “A” car…It is true, we have the freedom of speech but at the same time, we should always respect others for their opinion and taste…respect others as to how we wish to be respected in return.

    All the comments, negative or positive shows that WE as Malaysian consumer can argue with hard and loud facts, not baseless rhetorics and here-say…which I believe shows how mature WE CAN BE. SO BE MATURE!

    I have both Proton and Perodua…and like I say, I choose to see that BOTH brands have contributed much to my family’s well being. All wish are fond memories to last a life time.

    Let’s comment, but for the betterment of our NATIONAL CARS, not mindless bashing, trying to show who is better at calling the other names…

    >>> kealchg : This is internetz yo~!! We did it for teh lolz yo~!! lolololol

    Paul Tan dah macam surrender je hehehe. Just look at some F10 5-series stories he writes… somehow, he's baiting by intentionally writing stuffs to get the readers to bash proton, perodua, govt, etc. Like, listing the price of 5-series in Germany, and on how thanks to low PPP of ringgit n tax caused msians to drive cars a class lower compared to other countries (eg Msia 3-series, elsewhere 5-series; Msia 5-series, elsewhere 7-series; Msia 7-series, elsewhere Rolls Royce etc).

    Ah well. Pop corn, anyone? *om nom nom nom*

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  • peYno on Dec 01, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Jedimaster said,

    November 30, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

    I js Booking my Alza, Somehow i still not yet test drive.Coz hv comfident with perodua car. AS experiance too many Proton part faulty. js like changing our govement. Want to change back, Do it right and well also got to wait another 10 year.

    ========

    i understand if u buy this wagon becoz it's cheaper than AVANZA.. but if u buy it becoz of QUALITY.. i wish u good luck.. this happened to my freind.. upgrade her kancil to VIVA and she assume that VIVA has good quality as she never countered a problem at her previous kancil.. infact she said she don't mind paying extra money for quality… end up..her 3 months viva got gear box problem and power window problem.. the funny part. is. before that she bash proton car power window problem.. prrrfthh

    moral of the story.. don't judge a car from yur previous history coz different model has their own character..

    FYI.. 87.35% of p2 owner are FEMALE..as we know female know nuts about car and just a crowd followers…

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  • No komen!!!!!!!!

    BAgi saya semua best

    baik alza ke exora

    janji keta msia

    murah boleh beli

    dah muak jual beli keta lain

    adios

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  • jaybee on Dec 02, 2009 at 3:57 am

    Jackson Lim said,

    hei all my friends. i am an Exora owner. I feel very bad when people say this good and that bad. I ask you have you try? Exora not an under power. I share with you, Exora can run 160KM and only RM50 for 450 kilo meter (kuching to Sibu) no joking not even Affered can chase me. You say under power…. ???? haha you just say say… you dont know my friend.Exora can say is a very stable mpv and is a real trust mpv. Avanza ??? not even can see my shadow.

    ___________________________________

    i'm also exora owner..i'm very agree with jackson.

    top speed: can reach 160km/h

    Fuel consumption : just ok for me.

    BCM : very interesting

    Stability : very good, suspension just like wish, but wish is harder, exora is softer.

    only little outside sound can be heard. i sit in the 3rd row and clearly can hear my friend voice as a driver.

    just test drive and you will know the truth.

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  • jaybee on Dec 02, 2009 at 4:27 am

    semalam saya dtg tgk alza kat P2 pelentong, JB.

    perodua pandai main akal..dia lock 2nd row, so i takleh lipat seat ke depan. so ramai takleh masuk utk duduk kat 3rd row. maybe perodua takut bila org try masuk 3rd row seat, rasa sempit, nanti org tak jadi beli.

    pelik jugak. Alza standard takde lak utk dispaly, display guna alza premium, test drive guna alza advance.patut display sekali alza standard. baru org bole tau mcm mana interior dia..takde itu, takde ini..brake tangan bukan foot type.

    tapi kalau just nak bergaya..sebab sekarang trend org nak pakai mpv, even single, blom kawin pon org da beli mpv..alza boleh dibeli..just like me.beli exora walaupun masih bujang.hehe..

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  • anak dato' kk on Dec 02, 2009 at 5:35 am

    Exora top speed utk model manual boleh sampai 180km/j tp buat apa nak bwk laju2kan? Tp jgn ada yg cuba nak menduga…hehehe…

    Tak paham, perodua mcm takut dgn bayang2 sendiri, sbb apa utk test drive bg yang advanced version? Lgpun model ni akan start kuar next year. Sepatutnya customer dpt test drive model yg diorg nak beli pd masa skrg kecuali kalau diorg nak beli model advanced tu. Mcm ada unsur tak jujur je utk test drive. Tak baik kalau ada unsur camtu, tak berkat rezeki yg diperolehi. Jgn ingat nak dpt duit saja, tanpa mengambil kira hari perhitungan dikemudian hari. Tau2 aje la apa tuhan akan buat dgn daging manusia yg dibina dr hasil yg tidak halal….

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  • lebai on Dec 02, 2009 at 5:40 am

    bagus.

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  • androndraco on Dec 02, 2009 at 5:48 am

    Its small.

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  • virusxxl on Dec 02, 2009 at 6:09 am

    dah test drive … try naik 5 orang dewasa rasanya tak cukup power terutama waktu nak naik bukit …kalau jalan rata kira oklah… tapi agak sakit jugak.. pickup tak de so kalau nak memotong tu hati-hatilah…design luaran cantik daripada dalam gambar. berbaloilah dengan harganya…he..he..he..

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  • hiruma kecil on Dec 02, 2009 at 7:48 am

    xberbaloi-baloi… xberbaloi dan xberbaloi… langsung x berbaloi…. xberbaloi lansung…..

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  • honestly said it is very ugly and just a waste of money…

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  • ugly……

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  • this is my opinion, if people want to buy something slightly bigger than myvi to occupy 2 adults n 2 children, why not buy a proper sedan, such as persona, it is wider than alza, powerful maybe 110hp vs 102hp, 148nm vs 136nm, and price is lower persona h-line 55k, persona se 59k, alza premium 65k, alza advanced 69k. persona price is lower than alza by 10k. thats a lot of money for fuel. atleat u can save ur fuel money for 5 years (if ur fuels bill around 2k per year). itu baru dikatakan pengguna bijak. so better wait for pesona enhancement.

    alza 2nd row memang hanya sesuai duk 2 org aje, persona besar ckit, 2org dewasa+1 budak. so, bg yg keluarga kecik, pk2 kanlah, adakah berbaloi spend 10k lebih untuk family 4 org je sedangkan pilihan sedan lagi banyak. tapi sume duit masing2, nak kata alza save minyak, xkan dapat save sampai rm10k minyak selama 9 tahun(sampai abis byr loan). so wat ape nak membazir. no offence, tapi ni cu,e komen aku, aku org miskin gak. tapi kalu nak bagus, beli saga se auto(45k vs59k) alza standard auto. rm 14000 beb beza harga. atleast saga ada satu airbag, ventilated disc brake depan berbanding dengan alza solid disc brake depan(andai ada yg x perasan antara part yg downgrade n lowgrade), leather interior, bodykit, rm 14000 bleh isi minyak sampai 7 tahun, sampai tukar kete lain. tp itu kalu akulah.

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  • anak dato' kk on Dec 02, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Setuju dgn mat. Jgn membazir pada perkara2 yg tak patut. Bukan senang nak dpt duit wooo….. kecuali alza dijual dgn harga yg lebih rendah dan mesra rakyat…:-)

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  • hiruma kecil on Dec 02, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    setuju gak la aku pon… hahaha… persona 2nd row 3 dewasa pon lepas… housemate aku pakai saga blm je.. tapi second row naik 3 orang pon selesa lagi…. kecik sikit je dari nissan sunny aku… hahaha…. kete gentu bapak aku pon dari kedah gi pahang naik 5 dewasa pon ok je… persona kompom la lagi selesa dari gen2…. kalo banding harga,p1 murah lagi… kalo banding power,p1 power lagi, kalo banding fs, rasanye same je macam bandingkan avanza ngan persona… kalo handling,kompom p1 menang… kalo safety rasanye baik p1 lagi.. macam xsiden baru2 ni… kancil ngan persona, kancil meninggal 3,persona x cedera langsung… kalo nak banding chasis rasa nya alza mesti lebih kurang myvi je…

    p/s; aku telah mengabaikan alza dalam forum alza…..hahaha…

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  • che mad on Dec 02, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    dua2 pun ok ikut keperluan masing2.

    Secara peribadi aku pilih Alza…sesuai dengan jiwa aku. aku dah tempah kereta ni sbb:

    – nak jimat minyak..sblm ni dah guna kereta besar ngan cc besar…rasa sakit giler masa harga minyak naik rm2.70.serik ad taknak menyesal lagi sbb aku keje lauh and slalu travel ngan family..alza dah sah2 guna enjin avanza so boleh expect jimat cam avanza..

    – nak bawak org tua jalan2..anak2 aku duk belakang, biar nenek dia selesa duk tengah..kalau beli sedan tak selesa duk 3 org belakang..and kalau nenek dia tak ikut just lipat sit belakang dah jadi kereta yang luas..aku dah compare dengan avanza, alza dalam dia ok daripada avanza sbb tempat duduk tengan boleh adjust so belakang kaki agak free..kalau avanza belakang mmg tentu2 kaki aku sangkut..langsung x boleh adjust

    – beli manual primium sbb ciri2 keselamatan -air bag , abs…and lebih menjimatkan daripada auto.aku dah test drive alza auto, rasa macam pickup tak baper ok…manual- service lebih murah. barang perodua senang nak carik kalau nak betulkan sendiri..hidup ni bukan sentiasa ada banyak duit.

    conclusion..aku pilih mpv kecik ngan cc kecik setelah aku guna mpv besar ngan cc besar…so aku tak nyesal tak amik exora sbb dah rasa nyesal beli minyak mahal giler sblm ni..

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  • hiruma kecil on Dec 02, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    correction———–> kalo banding fs, rasanye same je macam bandingkan avanza ngan persona… fc not fs… sorry… typing error…

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  • che mad on Dec 02, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    kalau aku, alza jimat kot..tak boleh gak cakap sape rugi sape untung.

    seminggu aku pegi balik keje ngan kampung 750km.

    kalau naik alza baru rm70.persona aku dah try 120km dalam rm20.exora guna enjin persona…mungkin lagi lebih sikit la kan..

    so kalau 750km dah rm125 seminggu..darab ngan 4 minggu beza dah jadi (55*4)=220..

    kalau setahun (220*12) da jadik 2640..

    kalau 9 tahun ja jadik 23760..

    aku tempah alza primium 61 k…beza ngan persona 5k..tapi aku untung duit minyak 18k dalam masa 9 tahun..dah tu kalau harga minyak naik, aku gak yg kena kuar duit lebih..banyak risiko

    lagipun ni satu je kereta aku, bukan nye ada 2nd car yang nak simpan kat umah..ni juga kereta bawak family, ni gak yang nak bawak g keje..so sape yg kes same ngan aku boleh la amik calculation nih…mungkin membantu…

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  • ANAKRAMAI on Dec 02, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    kecik sangat…macam viva panjang….x sesuai untuk keluarga 4 anak pun. Exora jugak the best…..

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  • ANAKRAMAI on Dec 02, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Dari segi faktor keselamatan, Alza nyer bar enjin halus sangat…x dapat dibayangkan jika terlibat dengan kemalangan. untuk faktor keselamatan, adalah lebih baik kita yang berfamili sederhana dengan sekurang-kurangnya 3, 4 anak menimbangkan membeli kereta yang lebih besar. impaknya kurang sikit jika terjadi kemalangan dan ianya juga menjadikan kita memandu lebih berhati2 sebab kereta kita besar dan berat. Bagi P2 Alza plak, air cond satu blower jer…kat belakang langsung x ada…tengah hari buta sure panas giler….dah experience dengan air cond kancil….teruk sangat…apa2 pun tepuk dada sendiri….timbang segala faktor dengan teliti dan ikut keperluan diri. Nak cari kete….cari kete…nak cari MPV….carilah MPV sebenar…

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  • aAron on Dec 02, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    stupid guy semua no negatif komen no la …u kalu tak mampu or tak nak beli u just looking la …..u suka pakai …pakai la ….jgn banyak ckp …..lol

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  • aAron on Dec 02, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    mr produa …u ok

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  • gen2lama on Dec 02, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    setuju sangat dgn mat…

    lagi satu nak tambah….kalau sibuk sangat pasala fc…..cuba2 lah cari alternative lain….ngv the best…tapi kalau beli p2 takde space yg tinggal kalau install tong gas….

    at least saga / persona / gen2 / waja ada lagi space…even my gen2 boot with tank pun better than myvi …..

    tapi tu kalau nak save giler lar..

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  • konon on Dec 03, 2009 at 12:30 am

    ngv bukan pilihan terbaik…kalau betul ngv selamat kenapa jepun taknak negara dia guna ngv?cuba fikir baik2…mr engineer tolong bagi fakta yg betul pasal ngv ni…for me it will be my last choice.

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  • che mad on Dec 03, 2009 at 12:36 am

    setuju dengan aAron…patut respect hak and pilihan org lain

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  • T/Black savvy on Dec 03, 2009 at 2:00 am

    Tp Che Mat, tak menyesal ke nanti anak2/famili merungut duduk belakng tak selesa kalu jalan jauh2. 9 th mesti anak dah bertambah dan membesar.

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  • che mad, alza tu 42 liter aje tank dia, kalu isi rm70, dah dekat full tank, betul ke dapat 750km, kira betul2 la, akak saya punya vios infze aluminium cylinder head n block (alza pkai die cast iron) power dia 109(107hp) ps 141 nm berat 1050 kg, alza 104 ps(102hp) 136nm berat 1150 kg, so power to weight ratio, vios lagi lebih. apsal akak saya punya kete rm 50 bleh jalan 300km aje??? xkan alza lagi jimat dari vios kot??? persona yg bro che mad buat perbandingan tu auto, kalu nak banding, bandingla dengan alza premium auto 55k lwn 65k, rm 10000 tu bang. byk kosong tuh. kalu alza rm 70 bleh jalan 750 km, kalah viva, kete paling jimat minyak kat malaysia.

    akak saya, kalu isi ful tank vios dia, dalam rm75++, bleh jalan 500 km je paling jauh, biasa dalam 450++.cuba abg chemat kira balik.

    jangan lupa insurance tahunan, kete 55 k, berapa, kete 65 k,berapa, kali dengan 9 tahun, kirala….

    saya trime kalu org suka design dia, comel, tapi kalu ckp xda duit nak beli mpv besar, tapi keluarga kecik, nak jimat minyak, cuba kira smula, youll be amazed. so nak jimat, kena kira betul2, jangan main pukul rata aje sesuka ati, dgr ckp salesman dah percaya. saya xpercaya alza lebih jimat dari vios.

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  • satu lagi, em, xjumpe plak alza manual test drive. tapi jangan la percaya, ni rumours aje, manual version, katanya x best, sedap lagi versi auto. xtaula betul ke tidak, org ckp. kalu kata exora x power, cubelah bwk manual exora, stakat grand livina 1.8, makan asap jelah, rondo pun bleh out. cuma yg auto aje ada lag skit, coz torque converter tarik 20% power.

    tapi tuggula p1 bwk kuar gbox baru, katanya start pkai untuk saga facelift. xsabar nak test drive

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  • anak dato' kk on Dec 03, 2009 at 7:02 am

    Che mad, betol ke RM70 boleh gi sampai 750km? Jangan terlampau menaruh harapan. Kalau menurut PT punya review kat atas sana, untuk yg auto 12.7km/l dan yg manual 15.5km/l.

    Saya assume che mat amik yg auto la. So utk RM70, che mad dpt minyak sebanyak RM70/RM1.80/l = 38.89l. So kalau yg auto, 38.89l x 12.7km/l = 494 km sahaja.

    Kalu che mad amik yg manual, 38.89l x 15.5km/l = 603km sahaja. Saya rasa che mad terkhilaf membuat kiraan.

    Tp secara praktikalnya, FC sebenar kereta biasanya lebih tinggi dr figure yg diberi oleh pengeluar kereta.

    Sebagai rujukan, Che mad mungkin boleh tengok mana2 forum yg membincangkan FC bg Toyota Avanza 1.5 memandangkan kedua2nya menggunakan engine yg sama. Bezanya mungkin Avanza RWD, Alza FWD dan Avanza lebih ringan berbanding Alza

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  • gen2lama on Dec 03, 2009 at 9:22 am

    mr konon…tak kenal maka tak cinta…2 tahun dah pakai….sampai nak isi minyak RM10 hinggit (errrr 3 bulan sekali kot kat gen2 aku) pun rasa rugi giler…

    singaporean pun ramai pakai…

    takpe…u just stick to yr petrol la…heheheh….bulan mei agak2 sape yg tergolong dalam golongan yg layak terima subsidi?….kalau tak layak dapat (katakanlah..)…bersedialah dengan kenaikan harga petrol……

    i'll be 100% ngv user..until hybrid proton or fully 'plug & drive' car come into production…

    next year banyak lagi kot petronas ngv station…nationwide….

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  • gen2lama on Dec 03, 2009 at 9:29 am

    err promote sikit lagi…

    refill ngv ni bleh derma skit…camna tu?…setakat isi RM9, aku bagi terus RM10…RM1 kira sedekah…tapi tengok gak sape pump attendance tu…biasanya kat luar kl, anak2 melayu lepasan sekolah yg keje….kesian..kalau bangla yg jaga…hohoho kena berkira…

    bus2 pun sekarang dah pakai ngv…kat air hitam minggu lepas berebut ngana bus tranasional….tanker pun guna…

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  • peYno on Dec 03, 2009 at 11:52 am

    kes cik mat ni sama la cam kes Myvi masa mula2 keluar dulu.. ramai yg beranggapan Myvi jimat minyak.. pastu ramai lak komplemn pasal FC myvi tak seperti yg diharapkan…

    yg penting kita jgn syok sendiri.. keta ni bukan utk driver je.. tapi utk org belakang.. kita seronok bawak keta kat depan.. air cond sejuk.. anak dan emak kat belakang merana pasal aircond panas dan sempit..hehe

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  • fuhhh dh 500 lebih komen

    tittle thread ni -> Perodua Alza finally launch: a car or an MPV?

    copy paste from other website -> Toyota and Daihatsu launched an extended 7-seater version of the Passo and Boon called the (Japanese: Toyota Passo Sette) and the (Japanese: Daihatsu Boon Luminas) in Japan on the 25th of December 2008.[2] Sette means seven in Italian, referring to the car's 7-seater capability

    so jawapannya = car with 7 seater or 7 seater compact

    dan kita x perlu bandingkan dgn exora sbb alza adalah kereta manakala exora adalah mpv

    tagline perodua pula 'car one moment, mpv the next' kat situ terang2 dia kata 'car' one moment dan pasal 'mpv' the next pula trend org m'sia kalo 7 seater je dh declare mpv padahal alza ni adalah kereta or p2 sdg plan nk kuar mpv lepas ni?

    sy x suprise pun ttg saiz alza sbb dh tahu sama je dengan toyota passo sette dan daihatsu boon luminas. tgk link kat bawah ni & diorg siap ada aftermarket punya accessory

    http://toyota.jp/corolla/dora_minivan/passosette/… http://toyota.jp/customize/passosette/index.html http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/lineup/boon_luminas/con… http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/accessory/boon_luminas/…

    ttg aircond kalo ikut spect satte & luminas mmg xde 2nd & 3rd blower sbb diakan kereta so satu je kat depan kalo nk cepat sejuk panas enjin pastu on aircorn lama sikit baru masuk kereta :)

    bab enjin dia pakai avanza so owner avanza leh komen kat sini sbb kwn sy yg pakai avanza kata enjin tu saving minyak walaupun dia 108hp besar sikit dr alza 104hp

    kereta tin milo? dr zaman dulu time kancil & saga trademark kereta tin milo ni akan dilemparkan kat keta buatan msia. ni dh abis di'milo'kan sbb nk bg rakyat rasa kereta 7 seater dgn harga yg murah kalo nk kualiti beli lah toyota wish dll tapi harganya terlalu tinggi mana ler mampu..

    tu je lar dr sy so xmo gaduh2 sekian terima kasih

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  • tlg sikit la sy drive myvi dah 5 tahun mileage dah 200k km, aircond baru servis sekali aje, on aircond level 2, kete penuh dgn family ok aje, dpd k.l ke kuantan ok je, mr. peanut ke peyno, watever la, u x yah la kondem2 mcm bagus pasal kete tp byk yg negetif dari persepsi u, sy akui alza mmg ada kelemahan begitu juga dgn model brand lain,kete yg u guna skang ni pun ada kelemahan tersendiri. agreement perodua dgn gov mesia, mereka akan hanya produce kete kompak. dari generasi kancil sehingga alza semua kompak. So u all nk compare dgn proton? x boleh la mcm tu..kete segmen p1 dgn p2 secara terang terangan berbeza..so pilih mana yang terbaik untuk kita dan family. mustahil la sang kancil u nak paksa jadi gajah! Mr peanut peyno apa agenda u diruangan thread ini sebenar nya?

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  • car lover on Dec 04, 2009 at 6:27 am

    che mad said,

    December 2, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

    bla..bla..

    kalau naik alza baru rm70.persona aku dah try 120km dalam rm20.EXORA GUNA ENGIN PERSONA…mungkin lagi lebih sikit la kan..

    a u sure (betul ker kl)…..?

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  • EXORA GUNA ENGINE PERSONA = INI PUN DAH SALAH PERSONA ENGINE 1.6 IAFM

    EXORA/WAJA CPS/NEO CPS=1.6 CPS

    P/S= ketiga tiga kereta diatas pun masih berlainan tunning for gear box system..

    so pikir2 kan lah che mad..

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  • wan fikri on Dec 04, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    hayoo… azla nie sempit. viva yang dipanjangkan… tambah sikit2 nampak cantik. seat 3 row tu sempit… nenek aku pun susah nak duduk selesa. kalo jiran aku beli nie pompuan sesuai la pakai. bawak2 gi pasar besar beli cili, barang basah and ect.

    tapi keseluruhan aku bagi 2 1/2 bintang dari 5 pasal design macam anak tiri viva. kadang2 takot tercakap

    alza+b = alzab

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  • hurmm……so sy dh kata alza ni model kompak mmg ruang dalam x boleh tanding dgn exora, tetapi alza ni lebih praktikal dari model sedan tempatan yang sedia ada, design yg byk berbentuk radius memudahkan kete ni kt customize bg sporty look, advance version bodykit pun dh nampak sporty, kalau kena abg long punya custom perghhh, tukar rim upgrade bodykit ,bumper dan apa2 yang patut perghhhhh!!

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  • Cokia on Dec 05, 2009 at 12:25 am

    Wan fikri, hang SA proton kaa..??

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  • aAron on Dec 05, 2009 at 1:03 am

    P2 buat Alza tu dah ok tapi melayu kita ni biasa la kritik aja pandai idea membina zero …. otak ada fikir la secara logik ….u kena lihat produk n design n harga …..kalu dah harga murah itulah produk nya….kalu u rasa nak puaskan hati u …u cari la produk lain etc: Toyota or Honda MPV ke … tapi mungkin u tak mampu …so sesuai la alza dan harga nya dan kesesuaian spesikasi nya……kalu u nak luas lagi n selesa nak bawak anak bini dan tuk nenek u ….beli lah van jenazah …jenis toyota tu ….selesa n beter dari exora ke dan apa2 mpv seadanya…..tq so jgn byk komen .

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  • aAron on Dec 05, 2009 at 1:12 am

    hhhuuuuh best la alza nak beli la 10 buat keter sewa…..

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  • syed zainol on Dec 05, 2009 at 1:17 am

    zoey said,

    December 3, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

    "agreement perodua dgn gov mesia, mereka akan hanya produce kete kompak. dari generasi kancil sehingga alza semua kompak. So u all nk compare dgn proton? x boleh la mcm tu..kete segmen p1 dgn p2 secara terang terangan berbeza..so pilih mana yang terbaik untuk kita dan family. mustahil la sang kancil u nak paksa jadi gajah! Mr peanut peyno apa agenda u diruangan thread ini sebenar nya?"

    kalau dah tau segmen kereta tak sama, lg kecik daripada P1, kenapa harga kereta P2 tak kecik pun. lg mahal ada la.. aku tak paham la kenapa org kata alza ni buleh letak byk barang dari kereta sedan lain

    cuba ko isi barang penuh penuh kat but kereta persona lepas tu keluarkan balik dan isi balik kat alza (5 seater), lebih kurang sama je jumlah barang yg buleh isi kat dua2 kereta.. alza mungkin buleh isi lebih sikit kalau kita isi barang dua tiga lapis sampai tak nampak cermin kereta belakang

    pastu harga alza jauh lg mahal pulak tu banding dengan persona.. tu baru banding dengan kereta persona, aku rasa byk lg kereta sedan yg lebih baik dan berbaloi kita buleh beli banding dgn alza

    aku setuju dengan pendapat org ramai bahawa kereta alza memang mahal

    lebih baik beli kereta sedan kalau nak 5 seater atau beli exora base line kalau nak mpv

    kalau P1 buleh letak harga exora dalam lingkungan harga waja, aku rasa tak salah kalau P2 letak harga alza dalam lingkungan harga myvi

    P2 dah kenyang dah kaut untung jual myvi, apa salahnya kalau P2 letak harga alza macam myvi dan org semua akan beralih untuk beli alza pula

    P2 mungkin buleh untung jual alza ni tp aku percaya P2 pasti akan mengaut untung yg jauh lebih byk kalau alza semurah myvi..

    P1 dgn P2 dua2 dapat perlindungan cukai daripada kerajaan, P1 berani untuk korbankan sedikit keuntungan supaya dapat jual lebih banyak exora.. Aku rasa P2 terlalu taksub dgn kejayaan myvi dan percaya org ramai akan tetap berpusu2 beli alza walaupun P2 letak harga kereta alza lebih mahal daripada yg sepatutnya.

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  • aAron on Dec 05, 2009 at 1:21 am

    kalu alza tu sempit saya cadangkan beli la van nissan ke toyota ke buat pe nak pandang dia …bagi pada org yang suka……

    Kalu yang nak bawak anak yang ramai atau tuk nenek nya sekali beli la Lori pic up tu dan taruk bumbung canvest ….

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  • klu nak gado proton perodua x payah la, aku ni jual p1 dan p2, komplen masalah kete perodua kurang dari proton, fakta lapuran statistik pasal masalah teknikal selepas jualan dari dulu hgga hari ni mmg proton yang paling top! perodua pun ada tp % rendah dari proton la, aku tau production proton bagus, mereka mahukan kualiti tp atas sbb2 tertentu kdg2 mereka terpaksa jugak jalankan production walaupun mereka tau kualiti parts tertentu out of spec..so korg yg jual hanya tau sebut apa yg u all tau, bukan u tau pun kete tu lepas keluar 2 bulan terpaksa return masuk workshop semula..aku jual persona, dah terkena tp bukan semua..tp aku malu la dgn cust..perodua aku terima masalah bunyi itu ini je la tp x la sampai masuk workshop..Ini bkn pandangan tp pengalaman dan secara jujur bg mereka yg menjual proton lebih dari 2 tahun pasti ada pengalaman mcm aku..So x yah la nak kata itu dan ini. Semasa deliver kete tgn kanan bye2 pd cust, dlm masa yg sama tgn kiri off henfon, takut cust kol semula komplen huhu

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  • huhu bro aAron coolllllllllllllllllllll bro…… calm down bro, jgn emo juz opinion je tu

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  • husmadi on Dec 05, 2009 at 3:11 am

    reject

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  • husmadi on Dec 05, 2009 at 3:14 am

    apa yang bagus sangat alza nie? korang dah test ke? cuba la dulu…. rasai lah power yg kurang padanya…. hahahahaha….

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  • JKucing on Dec 05, 2009 at 5:25 am

    i dun understand…… perodua spend so much money to detune the engine? (compared to avanza)…. and it is heavier than avanza….darn….

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  • anak dato' kk on Dec 05, 2009 at 6:34 am

    Bro aAron, org tgh bincang kete @ mpv, apahal lu merapu bincang pasal van la, lori pick up la… apa tak baca ke title kat atas tu…. emosi tak menentu, period ke?

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  • Alamak syed zainol siapa la kt utk mempertikaikan harga kete yg dijual, kelulusan harga tu mesti diluluskan oleh pihak2 berkuasa yg b.jawab, mana leh suka2 nk letak harga..kalau jual kuih boleh la letak harga suka2 hati, pasal harga ni mmg sy sependapat la dgn majoriti, tapi kita sbg org awam ni buat penilaian harga atas kepentingan kita, pihak pengeluar dan yg terlibat pula ada alasan mereka jugak pasal penentuan harga ni.. ntah la malas nk pk byk2 sbb ini lah Malaysia tanah air ku, hujan batu ke hujan api ke, kt tetap kena terima walau dalam keadaan kesakitan..Btol x bro syed, kita bising pun bkn ada tindakan, cuma kt boleh meluahkan perasaan je, kasihan kita.hurmmmm

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  • Anda tau harga kete mahal walau pun pemasangan nya di negara kita dan saya juga tau perkara tersebut..Anda mau harga kete dijual dgn harga yg murah dan berpatutan dan saya juga mau perkara yang sama berlaku…tp apakah kemampuan kita utk menjadikan ia satu realiti?..masalah nya ada lah kemampuan… kita x cukup kuat untuk menolak pengetahuan dan kemahuan kita untuk menjadikan ia sebagai kemampuan pd pihak2 berkenaan bg mengubah ia menjadi kenyataan..itu ada lah hakikat utk masa ini..jd kt terima lah seada nya dgn apa yg kita ada walau pun harga x masuk akal, selagi ada pilihan kt gunakan sebijak mungkin pilihan tersebut kerana itulah jln penyelesaian terbaik utk kita semua. x yah la nk kata ugly ke exora ke alza ke tah hape2 lg lah…bila kita suka menghina dan mengutuk, ia mencerminkan sikap kita yg buruk dimata umum. Komen dan beri idea adalah mereka yg bijak walaupun mereka ni lepasan darjah 3 (penilaian dari segi sikap bukan nya education)..

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  • JKucing on Dec 06, 2009 at 6:25 am

    alza not same class with exora….thus no need bash each other, p1 n p2 fans :D

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  • hotblood on Dec 06, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    hi all, last week i went yo P2 show room. i seated at 3rd row & my friend slide 2nd row from outside to release me out. when i back home, i start wonder how to get out from 3rd row without helping from outside.have any method (pull a rope @ push a padle) to go out from 3rd row?

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  • Hotblood

    yes, u can get out from 3rd row unassisted, i forgot the detail, but there is something that u can pull from the back to slide the 2nd row to the front, and access to the end row arm rest to fold the back of second row.

    i just came back from 2nd test drive yesterday. my intention was to take it to the highway to see how the sound proofing perform. the result? at 110km/h it perform slightly worse than my 2 year old City. With the aircond turn to low and music off, I can hear subtle wind "leaking" thru the door seal at the driver seat., but it did better than the P2 car I expected.

    The suspension is quite solid.. when going thru pothole or bump it is way better than the old days of the Kenaris,and come quite close to the Japanese make of City or Vios (i am not a pro on the subject but it did feel alright as a drive and a passenger)

    I also slided the 2nd row seat all the way to the back, and left the 3rd row folded.. it was surprisingly spacious and comfortable. Being taller than the std sedan, the view from 2nd row is very good. For once I actually enjoyed my ride when it was my wife's turn to try it.

    back to the subject of Aircond again.. the test drive unit was the AE version (leather seats and tinted window), on a sunny day at 2pm it worked quite ok so i suppose the AC is good enough provided you get a good quality tint on the Premium version.

    At this point u are probably starting to doubt if I am a P2 salesman :-).. well I am not, but I am getting very close to be a Alza owner (well, it's my wife actually). The only doubt I have is… Will Honda Freed be launched here in Malaysia..?! (Paul, any idea?)

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  • johorean on Dec 07, 2009 at 7:13 am

    I had a test drive last week. I am the owner of 1.5G (A) Avanza since 2007. I like the design for the exterior and interior. The seat cushion is better (softer) than avanza. The armrest design is good for the long distance journey. However the interior material used is look like plastic design, avanza is better.

    Regarding the engine performance, it has less pick-up, may be due to different tune of the gear system. I agree with se, I could hear the noisy sound through the window seal from the driver seat. Then I asked the SA, the response is " it is because of the rough surface of the road in Malaysia (I totally disagree!). It is due to the leaking problem somewhere which allows the sound from outside being heard from inside

    Overall I could give rating 3.5/5 to Alza compared to Avanza 4/5. However due to the bumpy problem for the Avanza, I do recommend for the Alza for those who make the comparison between Avanza and Alza.

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  • aAron on Dec 07, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    itu la pasal P2 iklankan kereta nya ….sebagai mpv or kereta …ini taste masing masing la …kalau saya beli… saya gunakan sebagai kereta …saya dapat boot belakang yang luas ….so u nak beli kereta u kena gunakan akal fikiran yg praktikal …..

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  • klu nak gado proton perodua x payah la, aku ni jual p1 dan p2, komplen masalah kete perodua kurang dari proton, fakta lapuran statistik pasal masalah teknikal selepas jualan dari dulu hgga hari ni mmg proton yang paling top! perodua pun ada tp % rendah dari proton la, aku tau production proton bagus, mereka mahukan kualiti tp atas sbb2 tertentu kdg2 mereka terpaksa jugak jalankan production walaupun mereka tau kualiti parts tertentu out of spec..so korg yg jual hanya tau sebut apa yg u all tau, bukan u tau pun kete tu lepas keluar 2 bulan terpaksa return masuk workshop semula..aku jual persona, dah terkena tp bukan semua..tp aku malu la dgn cust..perodua aku terima masalah bunyi itu ini je la tp x la sampai masuk workshop..Ini bkn pandangan tp pengalaman dan secara jujur bg mereka yg menjual proton lebih dari 2 tahun pasti ada pengalaman mcm aku..So x yah la nak kata itu dan ini. Semasa deliver kete tgn kanan bye2 pd cust, dlm masa yg sama tgn kiri off henfon, takut cust kol semula komplen huhu

    p/s klau salesman macam nie xyah la beli ngan dia,,,sah2 keta yang dia bagi ngan korang x buat PDI…

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  • learner on Dec 07, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    the more i compare exora b-line manual with alza standard manual, the more i like exora because exora wins in all aspect. with manual i don't think cps is really week, even FC is aceptable as alza manual FC is not so great either (base on spec). the exora size is not really big, why afraid driving big car? shows your driving skill lah….

    the only problem is, from my observation, majority of malaysians THINK that p2 is CHEAPER than p1. try suggest pakcik to buy exora manual b-line than the alza standard manual, that pakcik will say, "huhhh, many boleh compare, exora mahal rm10 ribu lebih ooooooo". try if you don't believe.

    i like alza but the cost is not justified as a national car, if under toyota badge with that price (including the tax) i will grasp immediately without thinking. he he he he even though made in rawang.

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  • Why do you delete my post? I just give my sincere view on the car and I bought and drove 5 stupid malasian national cars before and I deserve to give my view on m'sian cars. Cannot face the reality that this is another crap? A whole bunch of people expressing their happiness and joy over this crappy car.. I repeat… It's another crap, outgoing model in Japan but becoming a new model in Malaysia, outdated hardware, low tech, cheap eletronics… and stupid malaysian looking at it with awe…..

    Maybe you should give a sincere review on the car or you should learn more about cars…. I repeat.. it's another crap…

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  • is Zack = another Panyu (what is the Japanese guy's name? Pino-san?)

    If you don't like national car, go get a BM.. no need to fail 5 times and feel sorry for yourself! and this forum is for people to share their view (not their feeling) of the newly launched Alza.

    by the way, just to share my feeling also.. I have a 14 year old (going 15) Proton Wira 1.3 that I still use to travel between Penang – Ipoh. Air leaking thru everywhere when I go 130km/h, all the plastic part has been replaced,or need to be replaced soon, i even changed the speedometer (next to come, gasoline gauge and temp) and a lot more things that an average Mat can imagine. But I have religiously taken the the one advise my foreman gave me 10 years ago – change the engine oil on time, and (touch wood, touch wood, crossed fingers, crossed toes) the only time that it failed on me unexpectedly was 10 years ago with a leaked radiator.

    Although I love the made and quality of my new Honda, I actually have more affection for my old Proton because the car is like his blue collar owner, with a humble beginning, but taken me 300,000+km and still quietly doing his work (and not complaining much). I plan to give him some good upgrade before I sell off to the next caretaker that hopefully loves him no less.

    So, pls stop blaming the world because of your own failure, for if u have the right mentality and attitude, your 6th car, may well be non-national made (joking…. u may well be in a BM already!)

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  • Rrrrr on Dec 08, 2009 at 7:20 am

    Stupid.. P2 National car???? Japanese & Korean Gov./culture/racist closed their automotive market to foreign makers. Malaysian pls start to boikot them now..stupid 10x

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  • hohoo mr.se u perasan x.. i think same person using so many nick in dis forum la, crazy!! he know how 2 kondem only, x payah layan la, kita tau org yg baling batu pada kita adalah seorg gila, jika kita baling semula pada org tersebut kita punya level pun sama gila mcm org tu..so bro se ignore aje la komplen2 yg x membina itu, org yg selalu suka lihat perkara dari perspektif negetif buang dalam tempat kumbahan, i think tempat kumbahan tu rejek dia, sbb dia lg teruk dari tempat kumbahan tu..

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  • A lot of people has been slamming P2 for "borrowing" design from Toyota platform. But what most of them do not consider is, whether Malaysia auto market can sustain a genuine national grown auto company.. national pride aside.

    It's all abt economy of scale. Malaysia auto market sells abt 550,000 cars a year. P1 and P2 sells abt 150,000 each. The best selling Myvi model sells abt 80,000 unit per year.. so you have to figure what good does it do to have a national car model that design from ground up but only sells 100k unit/year with little prospect of selling in foreign market (again, economy of scale rules so we are not very competitive without NAP protection), and with typical competitive product life cycle of 3-5 years, what good does it do to invent a model that will only sell 500,000 units? Not very much IMHO.

    In comparison, using 2008 figures

    1. US light vehicle market = 13.6million (units)

    – Toyota = 2.2million (world wide sale = 9million units)

    – Honda = 1.3million

    – Hyundai = 499k (Hyundai-Kia combine worldwide > 4 million)

    2. China market = 8.9million

    3. Europe = 21.3million

    4. Japan = 3.2million

    4. Malaysia = 548k

    The rules of the game is simple, unless P1 or P2 can sell offshore, sell it cheap and sell it well, trying to look proud by reinventing the wheels every time is at most, penny wise, and probably will not last very long (without NAP).

    Until then, the best strategy is to ride on a proven platform to reduce development cost and SURVIVE, develop the brand and sell well regionally, then develop it's own car!

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  • Pemikir on Dec 09, 2009 at 2:46 am

    Assalamu'alaikum,

    Ada tak pandangan dari mereka yang lebih profesional dan pakar dalam kenderaan mengenai alza.

    Bagi saya penggunaan kereta terletak pada keperluan keluarga itu sendiri. Jika nak bawa alza ke tempat kerja masih ok lagi. Tak lah besar sangat seperti exora.

    Memang ruangan belakang 3rd row adalah sempit, Hanya sesuai untuk budak-budak. Namun begitu, jika 3rd row itu tidak selalu digunakan ia dapat dibuat tempat penyimpanan barang.

    Lihat pada keperluan.

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  • harun hussaini on Dec 09, 2009 at 11:54 am

    wow.. another non-productive comments after viva elite..

    satu je. beli ikut kemampuan atau keadaan. kalau rasa mampu beli exora, beli la. kalau tak mampu, hanya mampu alza, beli alza.

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  • Jibam on Dec 09, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Dear guys, I don't understand some of you people made a very wrong comparison on each cars. Exora is pure MPV, while Alza is 'almost' MPV vehicle.

    If you plan for more than 6 passenger comfortability, please choose Exora, otherwise get Alza for bigger trunk space ( if 3rd row folded ) and if sometimes use to carry passenger if need it to. At least Alza had some option either bigger luggage space or to 'sometimes' carry passenger…

    Pricewise, yes i agree it's a bit high..! But with some of advance features which not available in Avanza for example.. I believe it is still a worth buy ! Otherwise, get Livina or Wish !

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  • anak dato' kk on Dec 10, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Livina and wish are in different league la bro jibam!

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  • Jibam on Dec 10, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Faham pun , ALZA also different league juga. Compare correctly la. Ini compare Alza begitu ,Exora begini..for sure cannot match la.. Depend on your needs. Stop condemning…some people here know how to talk and condemn, but never wisely give a correct comparison. Why someone never compare Alza and Naza Citra ? See how tight is 3rd row in Naza Citra compared with Alza !!

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  • I had 2 childrens. For myself and wife, enough to suit in this car and fold the 3rd row permanently for much exra luggage space. I can add 12'' subwoofer too !! I ain't target this car as an MPV's, but more on family car.

    I like the new meter panel design, adjustable 2nd seat row, and some others features which IS NOT AVAILABLE IN MY AVANZA !

    So, ask yourself lah…I also like LIVINA, but 88K price is way to much for me, I also like EXORA, but it is too big to suit with my 3 family members !! My current 1.3 Avanza is good enough, but lack of features and bumpy issue.

    With my budget, ALZA is suitable and enough for my needs and what I needs !!

    So, it is up to you to choose..I agree with Bro Jibam. I don't like it, leave it, get what you want, don't condemn !! Just giving my opinion, no harm please !!

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  • Khaik Ptuiiihhh.. on Dec 11, 2009 at 8:02 am

    Zman said,

    December 10, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

    I had 2 childrens. For myself and wife, enough to suit in this car and fold the 3rd row permanently for much exra luggage space. I can add 12” subwoofer too !! I ain’t target this car as an MPV’s, but more on family car.

    I like the new meter panel design, adjustable 2nd seat row, and some others features which IS NOT AVAILABLE IN MY AVANZA !

    So, ask yourself lah…I also like LIVINA, but 88K price is way to much for me, I also like EXORA, but it is too big to suit with my 3 family members !! My current 1.3 Avanza is good enough, but lack of features and bumpy issue.

    With my budget, ALZA is suitable and enough for my needs and what I needs !!

    So, it is up to you to choose..I agree with Bro Jibam. I don’t like it, leave it, get what you want, don’t condemn !! Just giving my opinion, no harm please !!

    ————

    P2 salesman making a fake testimony..haha.. nice nice.. haha…

    i got myvi already, nothing can be proud as the quality not as i expected. ptuiii..

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  • hiruma kecil on Dec 11, 2009 at 8:37 am

    I think alza is value for money compare to citra… actually i like citra more than alza coz citra look more sporty and powerfull coaz it use 2.0 engine… but the space in citra is almost the same with avanza… i feel very UNcomfortable in 3rd row.. if for 20km also not comfortable for me(174cm).. i he third row is only for children i think.. if compare between citra and alza… i rather buy alza than citra… coz the price and the fc… but still i like Exora the most… i've seen many modified Exora… they are looking very sporty and beautiful… for me, Exora is more beautiful than wish… CONCLUSION (<—what is this… hahaha…) if you have a family with 3-5 children(age 1day-18yr) and you want a simple vehicle, easy to drive and parking, sometimes drive with fully load, and you live in big city and need a city car… you can buy this alza…

    If you have a family with 3-5 children(age 1day-18yr) and you want a simple vehicle and want more sporty and powerful vehicle and have xtra money to pay… go and get the citra…. And if you have have a family with 3-7 family members no metter how old are they and you always MPV AS MPV… like to do long distance travel with full load, like powerfull engine, want affordable and good handling mpv… then you should buy Proton Exora… THEN, if you have more money and want something luxury… so go for estima, odyssey,alphard, starex and of course the 'Grand' Elgrand…

    At first when i go to perodua show room for alza, i dont like the alza… i think alza is suck… but after i think again… the alza is not that bad… yes it is small but i ithink perodua want to sell this little mpv for samll family.. so i think it is can be a comfortable car for small family… for someone who have a big family and feel not comfortable, he can go for Exora or innova…. for me it is this alza should be built like the matrix, 5 seater mpv… but this is the advantages of alza compare to matrix.. coz… if we use it as 5 seater mpv. it is bigger than matrix and plus it can be use as 7 seater mpv if we need it….. yes, alza is a very samll mpv, and should't called as mpv… it is a car… BUT that is why this car built as COMPACT MPV…. compact mean small,minimum in space, not big… but i still think this 'little mpv' is overprice…. ithink perodua cannot cut the price coz, if they cut the price, then there will be no difference between in price this alza and myvi and it can kill myvi market… they can only cut the price only if they sell myvi with cheaper price.. for me, with rm55k for alza is expensive and i rather pay additional 10k to get exora m-line… ALZA is a little mpv for little family, EXORA is real mpv for who want mpv as mpv… ELGRAND is for 'status'… And for me…. i will get a hi-roof Toyota HI ACE 2.7 with turbo and 17 or 18 inch sportrims and full skirting for me, coz I'm a die-hard van lover…. I LOVE REAL VAN… HIACE.. WAIT FOR ME!!!

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  • Zman, dont u think that sedan will serve u better than mpv? yes, it seems with folded seat, it has extra boot, but u must remembered, u cannot put all ur luggage until up to the back window because it is dangerous because u cannot see the back window. lastly, the room is end up lower than a proper sedan n u cannot easily put subwofer at the back because of the folded seat unless u want to take out the last row seat to install the subwofer.

    so, for me, the proper car for 2 adults n 2 children is a proper sedan such as saga n persona, it will fit ur budget n u can put subwofer without throwing out the seat ;-). u can get persona h-line(dual airbags, abs,ebd, pretensioner,loadlimiter, front n rear disc brake(front ventilated, rear solid)for rm 55K, auto summore while for alza, for RM58k u get auto gearbox, non airbag, no abs, ebd, pretensioner, loadlimiter, only solid disc front(not ventilated), drum brake rear. the only thing u get is the foot brake.but that is only my opinion, it is up to u because it is ur money. but what i've given here is the commence sense about value for money.

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  • aAron on Dec 11, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    org yang suka complain ialah tiada pendirian ….citarasa u , RM u… so buat apa nak dgr ckp langau …u rasa u suka u beli ,,,jgn terpengaruh ckp org ,,,,jgn jadi dengu hahaha….buat apa yang terbaik untuk u ……so kalu u rasa alza tu cantik u beli aja……..jgn dgr ckp org ….semua model kereta kena pegang stereng untuk drive …..so wat up hehehehehe

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  • Dear Khaik Ptuiihh…. your nickname already represent who you are and your low level atitude ! I'm totally not interest arguing just to stand up something you already glorify and don't want to accept others people opinion. I had no suitable words to correct your so called low level mentality..I'll leave it you outside !!

    This my money and my decision. You choose yours, I choose mine. There's always a pro and cons on each product… It's your choice.. Either regret or be proud is a next story laaa….

    Mat is better, he's suggesting me to choose sedan car. That's a pro opinion not just simply condemn and bash for nothing. Thanks bro.

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  • anak dato' kk on Dec 11, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Kalau tak dgr ckp org, nak dgr ckp kambing ke? Ckp org kena dgr gak tp tak perlu caya 100% coz tuhan dah bg kita akal utk berfikir. Yg terbaik, test drive sendiri dan kalu boleh mintak test drive model yg kita nak beli. Jgn nak beli yg auto tp gi test drive yg manual lak. Kalau boleh sabar sket, tunggu review dr pembeli2 yg dah pakai, rasanya lebih baik. Tak guna gak kalau jd org yg pertama dpt pakai tp pastu mcm2 tak puas hati tp masa tu dah kira terlambat dah. Kita tak tau nasib kita pd masa akan dtg…. fikirkanlah…hmmm…

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  • anak dato' kk on Dec 11, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Pakai mpv ni satu je tak best, bila letak brg mahal2 kat belakang org boleh nampak. Nak beli durian pun tak best kalau nak bwk balik umah, boleh pening kepala satu kete…. sedan ok sket, bonet tertutup penuh…. sokong dgn mat….hmmm…

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  • Dengar cakap orang is always no problem with me. I always welcome. Cuma yang tak berapa nak sedap bila orang buat comparison yang salah dan bash orang lain ikut sesedap rasa. Then tuduh I as a Perodua SA pulak ??

    Like I said, there's a pro and cons. Bukan semua perfect. Petang kelmarin I ternampak sebijik BMW 3 series ( PGF****) sedang dibaiki ditepi jalan. Tow truck dah ready nak tunda je… ..

    I prefer kind of MPV looks alike because I dah guna 2-3 biji kereta, terbaru ialah Avanza. Why, because I prefer not to use car anymore. SUV I tak berapa minat, jauh sekali van..!! Nak beli Estima, Naza Ria, besar sangat untuk family kecil macam I ni. So it's depend on your needs and requirement.

    Tepuk dada tanya selera dan kemampuan poket !

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  • No problem bro Zman, the power n money its in ur hand. I just merely give suggestion on my own prespecive. u have the right to follow or to ignore. anyway, alza is a good buy if its meets urs criteria. I second ur chice bro Zman.

    i only x tahan bile orang kutuk2 proton tanpa asas n x pasal2, itu aje. I pun sokong je perodua, cume i lebih prefer proton coz dia banyak menda i blaja bile makin tau pasal proton. So dont bash without fact, for example, somebody said that the 300 millions of money spend by perodua is mainly for engine because engine is 50 or 60% of a car cost. this is baseless assumption. this is the facts, on average, each car manufacturer spend their money on a car as below

    Typical Vehicle cost breakdown

    Engine n gearbox 21%

    platform structures 16%

    suspension n steering 7%

    chasis system 9%

    electrical system 3.5%

    HVAC, controls and electronics 7%

    Body panels and closures 13%

    glass house, lights n wipers 4%

    Exterior tream n bumpers 2.5%

    Paint and sealing 2.5%

    Wheels n tyres 3%

    Interior trim and instruments panels 4%

    unallocated Engeneering costs 6%

    source: lotus engineering

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  • salam bro mat, sy sa perodua, btol la apa yg u kata x payah la kutuk2, kt bg cadangan, terpulang la pada mereka nk pilih model yg sesuai dgn diorg, komen dialu2 kan, tetapi jika disertakan dgn cadangan ia nya lebih baik bg pihak2 yg terlibat mengambil perhatian..bcoz ini suara pembeli dan pengguna..ini kondem bagai nak runtuh langit.. hahaha mmg xde akal punya org la…org mcm ni kalau dikuburkan sebelah mikel jackson..mikel jackson pun bangun lari cari lokasi kubur lain muahahaha

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  • mcnor on Dec 14, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    I cannot give a good or bad comment since i've ordered already and shud get it this few days.. can't wait..huhuhu…

    memang btul…buat per nk kutuk2 buatan malaysia…sy dulu cam tu gak..masa mula2 myvi kuar..kutuk giler2..bulat lah..x cantiklah…mcm bun roti atas tayarlah..

    tgklah skarang sya guna keta aper…myvi jugak…jimat pun jimat..mmg jimat giler lah klu perodua ni..minyak dia…

    skrg nk ni x sabo nk try keta baru Alza lak ni…

    Setakat beza sket2 ngan keta2 lain tu aperlah sgt…janji sampai tmpt yg dituju ngan selamat…beli keta cantik, mahal, laju tp sangkut sama2 ngan keta yg "x setaraf" lah kononnyer kat trafiic jam nk buat aper…,

    korang pikirlah sendiri…..adios..

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  • mr technician on Dec 16, 2009 at 2:55 am

    haha…yg anti_alza tu pk2 la…dah 13k dah org order alza. takkan sampai 13k rakyat malaysia tak berfikiran waras memilih alza? dan yang saye dengar, ramai technician automotive yang tempah kereta ni. officemate saye 6 org tempah kereta ni.saye pun setuju ngan diorang nye alasan.

    kadang2 manusia yg mengutuk ni test drive pun tak…inikan nak betulkan kereta diorang sendiri.tapi yg tahu pro and cons secara technical yg akan menambah tempahan lebih daripada 13k tu.

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  • aAron on Dec 16, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    huuuu dah dahsyat tu dah 13k booking …customer aggred la ngan p2 ni..tat mean kalu u buat survey persepsi customer setuju dengan produk baru pro2 …so tahniah… tagline p2….."kereta dan juga mpv " berjaya. 75/25 dah kira ok.

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  • aAron on Dec 16, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Bagi group 25% …sila hantar komen kpd p2 ..itu adalah yang terbaik bagi sumbangan idea anda.

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  • hiruma kecil on Dec 16, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    exora 25000, alza 13000… kehkehkeh… habis la riwayat innova ngan livina… paling kurang pon kompom 50% sales diorang turun…. malaysia boleh… ramai yg beli alza ni sebenarnya.orang2 muda2 yg ade 1-3 orang ank kecil… kalo nak beli exora mungkin besar sangat.. lagipon exora ngan alza ni rasanya untuk 2 golongan yg berbeza… alza untuk orang yg muda2 dan nak keta yg trendy dan cute dan x perlukan 3rd row… exora lak untuk pemilik untuk pemilik alza bila diorang nak upgrade keta nanti.. exora ngan alza ni tengok pon dah x sama.. satu trendy… satu' matured'… hahaha…. exora untuk 30 tahun kebawah… exora untuk 30 tahun keatas… RASANYA LA… X TAU LA BETUL X..

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  • Bro Hiruma, your comments are right and much more matured..I appreciate it. Factual comparison between ALZA and Exora…Both models had its own pro and cons..It's just a machine.. Although I agree ALZA are quite high price, but some royalty and 'actual owner' need to be paid. Although I also agree with some high sky RM!!! need to be paid to so called Govt. Tax…

    This is Malaysia dude ! You had to live with it !!!

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  • raiden on Dec 17, 2009 at 2:15 am

    aku baca paper pun 3 ari launching dah 13k order.dasat dah 2.Letih la nak layan owner P1 ni.ada je benda yang x bkenan.Masalahnya produk berjaya ke x,sume 2 bergantung pada sales!banyak orang suka,elok la 2 n sesuai dengan kumpulan sasaran.dah tnt sblm buat keter diorang dah survey market,apa yang orang nak.aku rasa la skrg ni orang dah xkesah sangat kete agak mahal sikit,yg penting value for money.Cam statistik MAA taun lepas,Honda bleh wat sale yang tinggi jgk untuk kategori kereta import.Murah ke honda 2?Alza or Exora,sama je kete local manufacturer.Vendor tempatan jgk.Head enjin campro,Perodua jgk yang buat.Cmana pun bagi aku la,aku prefer Alza.Cun,seat sampai 10 row pun nak buat ape,anak x ramai.Kalau banyak seat pun nak ke owner kete bawak full passanger selalu?X caye tengok keliling korang masa driving p kerja,1 keter sorang je yang naik…realistik la skit.Saper yang menyampah sangat tengok alza boleh la bakar keter masing2 bila sale alza dah overtake sale exora taun depan..Puas ati x?

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  • hiruma kecil on Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 am

    correction, alza untuk bawah 30, exora atas 30.. sorry..

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  • hiruma kecil on Dec 17, 2009 at 2:40 am

    rasanye sales alza ni xde efek sangat pon kepada exora… sebab, kalo yg nak beli exora tu memang dia beli exora… sebab dia banding exora ngan innova…. tapi yg dapat kesan ialah naza citra… sebab saiz sama besar…. minyak alza lagi jimat,… maintainance lagi murah… harga pon beza banyak… contah macam orang yg beli innova la… kita selalu tanya.. kenapa dia beli innova sedangkan citra harga murah.. bentuk lagi cantik… handling lagi bagus… tapi dia tetap beli innova dari citra sebab dia innova lagi besar dari citra… cakap pasal prestasi, dia tetap pilih innova dari citra sebab kalo dia beli innova, mesti dia xperlu handling yg gempak sampai leh layan selekoh 120kmj… dia nak kete yg boleh muat family dia dan innova dah cukup bagus kalo takat nak guna secara biasa.. lagi pon berapa orang yg beli mpv ni akan kecik hati bila kita kata kereta dia besar macam kotak.. memang dia beli mpv tu sebab mpv tu besar…kalo nak banding citra ngan innova… luar dalam citra memang… tapi still orang tu akan beli innova dan x regret sebab innova sesuai dengan keperluan dia… yg beli citra pulak sebab citra sesuai dengan keperluan dia… benda ni senang ja… kita bila beli barang, kita akan pilih yg kita suka… simple thinking only ma….. saya suka epal, saya nak makan epal, saya beli epal… awak suka dragonfruit, awak nak makan dragonfruit, awak beli la dragonfruit… kalo cakap persona ada masaalah.. so bawak la pergi sc… kutuk2 pon keta kita jugak..

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  • JKucing on Dec 17, 2009 at 9:48 am

    Alza ok la….. if it is cheaper 4-5k than current price :D

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  • raiden on Dec 17, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    yup,choice memasing la kan,xperlu nak bash memana pihak.Our national manufacturer still dalam proses belajar.Jepun pun sama gak,brapa lama buat kete baru sampai tahap skarang.Apa2 achievement walaupun kecik kira ok la 2 walaupun copy paste.Nak dapat pengalaman kena blajar dengan orang.Member2 pun ramai keje ngan dua2 manufacturer ni.Msg2 ada pro n con.Pkai proton ke perodua ke memasing je tau ape yang x elok.Cuma takut nak terima kekurangan.

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  • aku kembali……………realitinya mpv tak best…..aku nak pakai keta sedan balik…hu2…..nak test drive honda ct and vios…

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  • tau sbab pa…bawak tempoyak,baju ,baja ikan semua bau masuk dalam mpv..aku jenis tak tahan bau bauan dalam keta…pening2…alza 2 cantik exora ok la…tapi aku nak ngintai2 ct hitam…tak pun vios itam..he2

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  • Mr P.O.V on Dec 20, 2009 at 7:51 am

    dis is jz my very own point of view.

    Alza 'kereta juga MPV' concept is almost like a Sofa bed. You may use is as a 'sofa' [i would rather say most of the time] and as a 'bed' when you have sleepover/guests when you need extra space for them, and the other way round.

    to me, i would use this compact mpv as a car, and MPV the next when i really need it. not too small as MPV but at the same time not too big as a real MPV. So, i think, Alza shall not be compared with Exora. Both of them hv their own pros and cons.it's up to you,the choice is in your hand.

    By the way, congratulations to P2 as you came out with this gorgeously-compact MPV.

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  • malaysia memang bole on Dec 20, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    masalah perodua ni,bila proton launch mpv,dia pun ikut sama

    kenapalah tak launch sedan dulu……….

    any way perodua memang suka buat hatchback

    mungkin selama2 nya hatchback

    jangan lah harap kereta sedan perodua……

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  • Good looking car :) but shitty MPV in the world!!!5+2,1.5 underpower engine,no crash test,price start from 60-70k it's cheap but i think the quality should be start from 40k-50k!sorry i just say the truth =)

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  • aku dah booking alza tp xdpat2 lagi aduh hai……….

    nk pakai tahun baru ni….

    bwa ayah mak g jalan2…..

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  • aku baru dapat alza yg i order bulan lalu… mula2 ingat boleh dpt kete minggu lepas tapi salesman kata demobilazer tak fungsi…kena antar repair… semalam gi ambil kete baru tau lampu fog/radio/air con tak nyala… kena antar repair lagi… bila check baru tau fuis lampu takde… very disappointed ngan qc perodua…bila kete local improve…..atuhai

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  • aku lagi mampes order baln 11 sampai sekang xdpt lagi

    janji blan 12 ni dapat tp bos dia kata bg blan 1 lak

    dah pelanggan nk blan 12 bg je lah ni leh lak rugi pelanggan lak keta dah sampai setahun pe lah kes ni ikt pelanggan le

    ape pye p2 klu nk kua kan keta baru bt le awal2 tahun ni akhir tahun lak menyusah kan pelanggan je lah….hampesssss

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  • wahahaha ini 1 lg nk menipu public, En mie jgn mau temberang and buruk2 kan perodua la bro, sebelum lnching day kami yg menjual alza diarahkan bgtau cust tmpahan pd lnching day dpt kete paling awal pun pertengahan feb 2010. bkn bln dec 2009. yg dpt kete pd dec ni kira rezeki la tp x byk pun yg dpt, perodua hntr berperingkat2..so sori la bro xde salesman yg janji bln 12, klu ada yg janji npd dec ni u boleh terajang salesman tu..mr. tom btol ke masalah yg u bgtau tu, tolong bagi no chassis alza n model kete sy nk check lapuran kerosakan pada rekod yg ada..

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  • raiden on Jan 01, 2010 at 1:21 am

    orang bangang skali si peyNo ni,tah2 pakai saga reput ni.

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  • Kodok on Jan 06, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Saga reput apaaa..naik volkswagon je, sebab tu dok asyik kritik kerete tempatan , kereta jepun… rasaya kereta buatan India yang dia agung-agungkan sebab tidak berbau jepun…

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  • someone who concern? on Jan 10, 2010 at 1:16 am

    well guys…actually from my view every car has their own adv. & disadv….my first car is myvi…when it's broken down i easily can find the parts with cheap price…second car i used is ford ranger…and yet again it's broken down n easily i find the parts but a lil bit expensive…and right now i'm using a kelisa…cheap oil…cheap parts..and for the part you'll can find it easily at any car parts shop….and now the alza…so what i'm trying to tell you'll here is…every car has their own price….for P2 and Proton their parts you can find it anywhere except at the mamak shop la…. and for the other car…like toyota…nissan…etc…service the first and you'll now the price..which service charge are more expensive…is it P2,proton o nissan,toyota etc…support your local made la……for p2 alza…1.5premium & advanced only available by march for sabah la…the other place i don't know….as far as i concerned about our car…actually this new p2 alza, i like it very much..even though it a little bit 'sempit' at the back,i can accept it….go P2

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  • pro1malaysia on Jan 16, 2010 at 1:20 am

    both are crap n rubbish

    not worth with the money

    malaysian will always have to buy these rubbish moving object for the sake of nap@DAN.

    capitalista=quote: oil price will rise due to the international market price.but why car price didnt based on international market price?so funny..hahaha

    well…it is malaysia.rakyat diduuuuuluuuuuuukan.mean they put the rakyat on [email protected]

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  • i'm using viva manual for a year without any problem..just make sure sent it to perodua service on time..now im willing to buy alza..go alza..good car only good with a good driver..bad driver will make any car like rubbish with a lot of preoblem..

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  • SafetyFirst on Jan 23, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Bagi aku sebelum membeli kereta perkara pertama ialah sistem keselamatan untuk pemandu dan penumpang. Kita jangan lah jadi pemikiran golongan dunia ke3… kebanyakkan komen yang aku baca semua nyer mementingkan minyak dan muatan. Bab keselamatan hanya 3-5 sahaja komen yg diberi. Baik alza atau exora bagi aku keselamatan perlu di utamakan. Adakah anda sedar keselamatan pada penumpang row3 setiap MPV yang ada dipasaran? semua penting pada keselamatan driver semata-mata. Sebab nak jimat duit kerana minyak dan harga nyawa kita dan anak2 kita bagaimana? Adakah anda terfikir masalah ini semua? Bagi aku alza dan exora sama sahaja… klu kita tgk sistem perniagaan diorg semua berunsur keuntungan. Quality akan tercicir kebelakang disebabkan keuntungan. Malaysia tidak seperti dinegara eropah yang maner setiap pengeluar kereta keselamatan mesti di utamakan. Sepatutnyer setiap kereta yg berada dipasaran malaysia tidak kira sama ada nasional atau bukan ciri-ciri keselamatan mesti diutamakan. aku sudah pun memandu uji p2 alza nie tapi model AV yang full spec. Ciri-ciri keselamatan masih diragui. Aku memandu uji bukan seperti memandu kereta biasa… Pelbagai perkara pelik aku buat sehingga salesman yang duduk sebelah tu menjadi takut. aku buat break secara mengejut, tekan minyak sekuat hati, ambik corner dengan laju, dan mcm-mcm lagi. Tetapi keselamatan masih diragui.

    bagi aku ada baik dan buruknyer alza nie….. dari segi design x boleh nak komen sebab bukan hasil kejuruteraan malaysia. copy n paste. dari segi teknologi pun sama.

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  • Teropong on Jan 26, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    Ciri2 keselamtan Exora lbih baik dr Alza..

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  • salam…saya dah tempah pun alza ni..compare ngan exora body exora ni terlalu besar buat saya. wpun anak ada 5 org tapi 2 dah duk asrama.kalau mereka balik pun adik2 boleh duk belakang, ikut pada kemampuan alza bersesuaian ngan isi poket saya. bagi yang buat comparison lebih2 tu no komen… ukur baju badan sendiri….

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  • Better buy a tank…more safety and can go to anywhere…..crash..100% safe except RPG….heeee…heeee..who want 2 buy this tin sardin Alza..just do it…ur money…ur play…no money…better Viva..

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  • sokong perodua on Feb 01, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    alza mmg hebat…

    ape2 pun sokonglah buatan malaysia..

    aku sokong kata mubongok….

    alza versatile

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  • alza cantik on Feb 01, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    betul kata mubongak..prismo sembang macam la dia pandai tentang keta…

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  • alza cantik on Feb 01, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    betul3X

    salam…saya dah tempah pun alza ni..compare ngan exora body exora ni terlalu besar buat saya. wpun anak ada 5 org tapi 2 dah duk asrama.kalau mereka balik pun adik2 boleh duk belakang, ikut pada kemampuan alza bersesuaian ngan isi poket saya. bagi yang buat comparison lebih2 tu no komen… ukur baju badan sendiri….

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  • alza cantik on Feb 01, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    sokong kata ira cantik mmmuahhh

    salam…saya dah tempah pun alza ni..compare ngan exora body exora ni terlalu besar buat saya. wpun anak ada 5 org tapi 2 dah duk asrama.kalau mereka balik pun adik2 boleh duk belakang, ikut pada kemampuan alza bersesuaian ngan isi poket saya. bagi yang buat comparison lebih2 tu no komen… ukur baju badan sendiri….

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  • alza cantik on Feb 01, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Teropong, ciri2 keselamatan exora mane ade…

    yang penting org yang bawa 2

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    • S.Roma on May 21, 2010 at 2:29 am

      Teropong, ciri2 keselamatan exora mane ade… (Are u sure? u make urself look idiot)

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  • tanyajawab on Feb 01, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    SafetyFirst..ape pandangan encik tentang kereta bmw??

    ko nie ckp je pandaiiii..sebenarnya ko pun x de duit nak beli kn??

    tu yang ko buat cerita kat salesman kata la keta nie x baguihhh..

    sebenarnya ko 2 yang x baguih…hehehehe

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  • Ahmad on Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 am

    alza cantik said,

    February 1, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

    Teropong, ciri2 keselamatan exora mane ade…

    yang penting org yang bawa 2

    ——————————————–

    R U really sure about that? Read again & do research again…

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  • If there is no protectionism, we may buy Grandis with RM$70K. Why should we bother about Proton and Perodua MPVs! Malaysia has the most expensive car price in the world, no matter if you buy any type of car produced by Proton, Perodua or Naza – all of them not worth the money. A Camry 2.4 is just worth about USD$20K, why shall the so call local car makers priced their much worse quality car in this range. Also, most of local made cars should not be/not qualified to be on the road due to lack of safety features. Can you imagine if there is a car on the road without airbag and ABS in Japan or U.S. or Europe? Malaysian deserved better car like all other countries in the world with competitive price. Remember!! Any car we buy in this country is not worth the money, but we have no choice to choose the worse to fit our budget and the purpose of usage.

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  • C2, toyota camry without tax the price is rm103k.(langkawi price). r u sure that mitsubishi grandis cost is around rm70k without tax since lancer gt is already rm72k without tax. please bear in mind that proton and perodua cars in malaysia are include tax. so to be fair, the comparison must be p1&p2 without tax versus others without tax.

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  • MAT…wat a fool….P1 n P2 got tax??…thats a gimmick by them to earn more profit…by producing a 20K junk n pricing it at 50-60K to stupid malaysians….i rather buy a 20 yr old Nissan Sunny 1.3 than a Saga 1.3….aat least i can live longer….like C2 said….cars without ABS,EBD,BA,ESC and airbags are JUNKS…even with the gov protection, P1 n P2 can only produce copycats of other car companies…their designers must b real idiots….thers a proven statistic that most fatal car accidents in Malaysia involves P1s…at least P2 use Toyota technology…

    Alza is a Avanza essentially….took them this long to copy Avanza n release it?…as though theyr making a new car….

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  • matio on Mar 23, 2010 at 8:22 am

    pls compare P1 prize at Langkawi and prize at semenanjung, 'Don' u will notice the different coz Langkawi has no tax maa.. all thing has tax even though food that u eating everyday or shirt that u buy maa…

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  • matio on Mar 23, 2010 at 8:29 am

    to C2, harge camry 2.4 kat US $20K bukan harga on the road, kena campur tax, insurance etc, harga jadi lain la, lain kali buat research dulu sebelum komen, buat malu dan mengelirukan org jer.

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  • Aliza on Mar 29, 2010 at 6:20 am

    yea…yea…!!!!!!!

    next week kete kite keluar….

    welcome 2 my life alza……muaahhh!!!!!

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  • ekora on Mar 29, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    belilah ekora…..

    ekora yg besar dan enjin yg paling mantap…..

    ekora mempunyai sistem ekon yg paling canggih…

    ketika berhenti di traffic light….

    ekon akan berada dlm keadaan standby… sep karen wpun panas…

    belilah ekora…..

    kereta yg dilindungi oleh kerajaan dan mahakutik….

    biar harga kereta lain jadi mahal….

    yg penting perut masyuukkkk……

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  • hulu selangor on Apr 24, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    better than exora for sure…exora suck to the core..

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  • JeBan on May 20, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Il be using it as replacement for my Sedan Wira.
    Not going to use it much as a MPV..
    For 1 or 2 person.. any idea whats the petroll consuption like ?

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  • S.Roma on May 21, 2010 at 2:38 am

    I prefer exora than this…

    RM 60K, u can get bigger MPV. why must buy Alza?

    It is only from my opinion.

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  • BuntalTan on Jun 08, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Ermmm… Banyak yang cakap pasal engin tak power… Tu le kerja nak berlumba je tak pon test power pastu yang susah sedara mara & anak2 juga..

    Nak lelaju tu, nak pergi mana???? Nak pegi KUBUR ke???

    Bagi saya setelah pergi tengok sendiri & Test & Kaji… Alza Premium adalah yang terbaik..

    Jangan hanya kerana 6 – 7K nyawa melayang…

    Dari segi ruang lebih luas berbanding sedan…

    Sesuai untuk keluarga yang ada 4 – 6 orang.

    Minggu depan dah nak pakai dahh… Hehehe

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  • Joe Zainul on Jun 15, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Thanks Paul for the good review. Have just booked an Alza 1.5 Auto Std – Metallic Grey. Correct me if I’m wrong but my aunt is driving a Proton Exora and she is complaining that it is under-powered. She thinks it is due to the 1.6 Engine and also because Exora is heavy in weight. That’s the reason for me to opt for an Alza and also b’coz of it’s turning radius which is similar to a myvi.

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  • Menteri Pertahanan on Jun 17, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Proton jangan sedih,usaha lagi.Aku pun keje GLC,duit kerajaan banyak,habiskan je buat R&D.Memang dah jadi macam trend GLC kot,invest banyak tapi sales hancur.Top management yang patut disalahkan kalau ada ape2 yang kurang kat Proton korang.Yang penting korang hepi ngan kereta korang.
    Perodua,keep up a good work.

    PeYno….konon dah lama dok kat jepun ya?Eh,pegi mampus la!Benci sangat ngan bau2 kejepunan,apekejadah nak bangga ko duduk lama kat jepun.Ko tak payah duduk malaysia la.Ambik cangkul ko gali lubang n duduk diam2 pastu timbus.Dok dalam lubang tu buat bunyi buruk ko hembus hingus prfttttthhhh! tu.Cam bunyi babi sondol tanah pun ada,haha!

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  • Was about to buy this Alza as a gift, but the odd pedal-brake and some little other things (which may appear strange and uncommon for general users) turned me away from this option…

    Herm…

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  • vincent on Jul 11, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    memang menyesal membeli p2 alza coz apabila pandu kereta ini,banyak bunyi di dalam,”kit kat kit kat”,macam pandu kereta second hand saja
    hantar ke service,pagi pukul 8.30am tunggu sampai 1pm,masalah masih ada,servis center cakap nak tinggal kereta for 2 day for checking,after 2 days,bunyi dalam kereta masih ada…..rm62k beli kereta macam ini,betul betul rasa marah……
    lain kali beli kereta,bukan saja nak timbangkan harga,qualiti,juga nak timbangkan after sales service…..
    bukan tak nak sokong buatan malaysia,tapi betul betul tak layak untuk disokong

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  • i think this page is filled with ppl paid to bash P2.. and ppl paid to defend P2.. so u guys should have your own opinions instead of listening to all the crap above.

    I’m more interested to know if one will go for the Auto or Manual alza.. i’m quite concerned about throttle lag and also gear quality.. i’m not quite keen on perodua’s auto gearbox.. however i heard the throttle lag will make someone choose auto coz manual shifting is annoying.. opinions?

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  • S.Roma on Sep 20, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Dear Mike,

    My opinion is :

    1. If ur concern about the lag (Lag or delay?), better take auto coz P2 is famos with responsive throttle.

    2. If ur concern about the FC, better take manual, P2 is not so save when using auto.

    Hope this can help u.

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  • The reason for my concern is.. I’ve driven my friend’s myvi auto before.. and when you kickdown the accelarator, it takes half a second before the gear change and car speed up.. I heard this delay is caused by the e-throttle system found in all p1 and p2 national cars.. When I drive my parents’ hyundai accent, the kickdown is much faster.. and I think not more than quarter of a second delay when you kickdown.. I get quite annoyed with the half second lag found in perodua’s auto gearbox. I personally feel it is dangerous because when you suddenly need to speed out of a dangerous situation, the gearbox isn’t responsive enough.. i thought manual will be better..but my friend told me that it is the same because of the e-throttle irregardless whether it is manual or auto.. he advised me to go auto because of the lag.. the delay in acceleration might cause engine to die when u release clutch for manual.. i also read reviews that the manual gear changes feels rubbery and also the clutch doesn’t seem to have a biting point.. so manual and auto users, pls give me your feedback so that i can make a better decision.. I only want comments from real Alza auto and manual owners!

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    • HirumaKecil on Sep 21, 2010 at 6:01 pm

      Hurm.. Dunno what to say.. Coz for me, Accent is very slow… The acceleration is very sad.. I need to off the air-cond to take over a trailer.. That is why i don’t like auto car… I think acceleration for myvi is enough… And for gen2 and Waja, the acceleration is pretty good…

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  • Hiruma,

    You didn’t state whether the myvi you drove is auto or manual.. maybe i’m not talking about the acceleration power, rather i’m talking about the delay before acceleration begins if you get what i mean. I’m talking about throttle lag here.

    Well you’re entitled to your own opinions and experiences.. but i don’t find any acceleration problems with the accent. The car body is indeed a bit more heavy.. but I did raced with a Vios before, to be frank, the car performed very well.. but maybe the Vios guy didn’t floor his accelerator.. To me, the accent gear changes are very quick.. and the 1.5 sohc beat the 1.6 dohc flat.. to me, i would thank the gears for maximizing the power of the engine.,

    While I don’t doubt the power output of the myvi or alza engine.. I doubt the gear response.. i’m still making a decision to go auto or manual. Of course i’m not using the car to race, but I’m just looking at response point of view..whether the car will actually do what you want it to do.. that’s all.. and I have yet to hear from real alza owners! come on.. auto or manual better?

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    • HirumaKecil on Sep 25, 2010 at 7:31 am

      the myvi i talked about is Myvi Se auto. The acceleration is good enough for 1.3 car… I also going to test drive Alza before.. But they only have manual version for us to try… My friend is driving, i’m just a passenger.. And he say the acceleration for 1.5 manual alza is pretty good… not bad.. coz it was an 6 seater.. Seriously i think Accent pickup and also the delay time is slow… I don;t know about 1.6 car you talked about… Did you mean Vios 1.6??? Did they have 1.6 version for that car??? I thought they were 1.5… But i’am familiar with continental cars(Peugeot,citroen,renault, etc).. but i also familiar with Honda Jazz v-tec auto coz my housemate used to have that car… I like Honda jazz acceleration, much more faster than Accent, and, yes… i think accent is slow, coz 1.4 car from europe manufacturer can easily beat korean and jap 1.6 car… And , maybe you are right about accent is better than Vios… coz i don;t know much about korean and japanese car(but my first car is Nissan sunny 1.3, and i still keep that car with me)… i spent most of my time driving in conti car and proton car… Seriously, waja,gen2 and persona can easyly beat accent… May be accent acceleration is not bad…. Maybe only i feel like accent is very slow coz i’m using 2.0 car… so when i try smaller car, i felt that it was slow… But i like campro cps acceleration….

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      • HirumaKecil says:
        25/9/2010 at 7:31 am

        the myvi i talked about is Myvi Se auto. The acceleration is good enough for 1.3 car… I also going to test drive Alza before.. But they only have manual version for us to try… My friend is driving, i’m just a passenger.. And he say the acceleration for 1.5 manual alza is pretty good… not bad.. coz it was an 6 seater.. Seriously i think Accent pickup and also the delay time is slow… I don;t know about 1.6 car you talked about… Did you mean Vios 1.6??? Did they have 1.6 version for that car??? I thought they were 1.5…

        Thanks Hiruma for your honest feedback. Yes the Vios is 1.5. my mistake. As for driving the myvi auto, i don’t like the throttle lag and delay.. although the acceleration is powerful, but there’s a big delay (half second) before the car start to accelerate when you kick down the accelerator. The hyundai don’t have this problem. When you kick down, the acceleration is immediate. For me, I like to kick down when I drive.. and I’m totally not used to p2’s auto gearbox.. very slow response.

        IMHO, accent is slow for you because the car body is heavy. Proton is make like milo tin (very light).. so any engine also can be powerful for proton.. because the car is very light and can fly. I use my finger to press the metal will bend already. (try to press any gen2, persona and blm.. even my kelisa’s metal is harder than that.

        For me, i’m not trying to compare accent with other cars.. I’m trying to know about the p2 gearbox..that’s all.. becoz I don’t like the kickdown delay for p2 auto.. hope you all understand after i repeat this so many times.

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  • S.Roma on Sep 22, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Dear Mike,

    To me, the accent gear changes are very quick.. and the 1.5 sohc beat the 1.6 dohc flat..

    (I disagree, beat in terms of what? FC? Acceleration? torque? is it the same manufacturer of engine? im using wira Mitsu 4G92 Dohc, and i can say it is faster than campro engine, even its 4G91 Engine can beat campro engine easily cause 113 HP compared to campro 110 HP)

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    • Roma,

      Are you lost in the conversation? No one was ever talking about a campro engine. Do you know what is a hyundai accent? Why are you talking about campro? I was comparing my hyundai accent 1.5 with a vios 1.6. FYI, I hate campro engine.. I think you’re really lost.

      Anyway, that is not important. What’s important is I want feedback from manual and auto alza users.. but no one is giving me any meaningful or useful feedback. I just want to know how good or bad is the gears (manual and auto) of the alza. Thank you and I appreciate an accurate answer or feedback!

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    • HirumaKecil on Sep 25, 2010 at 7:41 am

      Of coz 4G92 can easily beat the accent coz But 4G92 is best known of its high-performance MIVEC equipped DOHC version, which fully replaced “ordinary” DOHC in 1993. Power output raised as high as 172 hp (128 kW), as found in the Mirage Cyborg-ZR and JDM ’92 Lancer MR, making it one of the most powerful 1.6 L N/A engines. No doubt it cam easily smoke other car in 1.5. It is not fair to compare that doch high performance engine with soch… Coz it is one of the most powerful 1.6 L N/A engines.

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      • S.Roma on Sep 25, 2010 at 9:31 pm

        Dear hiruma,

        FYI

        Vtec B16A can easily win the Mivec 1.6, dono why…

        Mivec 172 HP? I read from Wiki said its 174 HP…

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        • HirumaKecil on Sep 26, 2010 at 9:12 am

          ok la tu… My housemate is a mechanic at some tuning workshop at damansara.. and he told me that mivec 1.6 have 172 hp from dyno test that he do.. so, I think diff 2 hp is acceptable coz not all off that mivec engine will give you 174hp right?? some will give you 174, some will give you 172 while the other one will give you 175hp…

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  • S.Roma on Sep 23, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Dear Mike,

    Are you lost in the conversation? (No im not)

    Do you know what is a hyundai accent? (Yes i noe)

    Why are you talking about campro? (To make a comparison)

    I think you’re really lost. (U thought wrong)

    Thank you and I appreciate an accurate answer or feedback! (If this the way u ask for feedback, i thk no one will give any feedback to u, wanna ask people also no manner, so rude, are u malaysian? go die la…)

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  • look who’s being rude now? haha.. that’s why malaysia ‘boleh’.. how sad.. I’ve asked for feedback nicely since the beginning..and people like you are telling me some unrelated things which has nothing to do with the post in the first place. I’m not being rude by stating the fact that You Are Lost. The reason?

    1. I was talking about the hyundai gear.. not the engine (you go and talk about campro engine for what?).. i’m concerned that p2 gears are not good.

    2. Yes you are really lost. (read the posts above carefully before you give feedback)

    3. I’m asking about auto or manual alza is better. (did you answer anything related to it?).. no you didn’t.. all you did is go talk big about your wira engine.. i’m not concerned about engine, i’m concerned about gear and throttle delay.

    4. You said: ‘ i thk no one will give any feedback to u, wanna ask people also no manner, so rude, are u malaysian? go die la…)’ Now look who’s rude here? Why is this comment being approved? This is so rude. If no one can answer my questions whether auto or manual alza is better.. then Malaysia really ‘boleh’ .. how pathetic.. however i still have hopes that not all Malaysian are like Mr. Roma here.

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  • S.Roma on Sep 23, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Dear Mike,

    and people like you are telling me some unrelated things which has nothing to do with the post in the first place. (It is u who cant relate those things, dumbass)

    you go and talk about campro engine for what? (U ask me? thk urself la)

    read the posts above carefully before you give feedback (I read it already, im still with my decision, if u don like my post, then just ignore it, no need for u tell other people around here this and that)

    i’m not concerned about engine, i’m concerned about gear and throttle delay. (U read carefully my post, what is the thing that u can relate it? the prob is u, u don thk about it, or u dono how to relate it)

    Now look who’s rude here? (U are being rude 1st, see urself about ur post, u said “I think you’re really lost.”. For me, that is rude to tell people like that, there is way for u to correct people if they make mistake, not like this. Who are u to tell me that im lost? Know urself. Go look in the mirror of ur own pathetic face)

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    • lawmasai on Nov 28, 2011 at 4:19 pm

      For throttle delay there are e-throttle signal modifier (there are a few brands, look for it in Hyper tune magazine) that can be set to sport, normal and eco mode. In sport mode it will modify the signal to cheat the ECU. Example: It “inform” the ecu that the throttle opening at 50% while the throttle position is actually less than 50%. There upon the ECU tell the injector to inject more fuel thus you felt that throttle respond is faster. You guys need to check if it can be used by Alza.

      I myself near bought a Alza after 12 years driving a wira. Buy end up buying 1.6A livina.

      Regards

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  • Who’s pathetic?

    1) I wasn’t rude. When I said ‘ I think you’re really lost’.. I honestly feel so.. It’s an honest opinion. (I’m entitled to my own opinions). I feel you’re going out of topic.

    2) You don’t have to answer my questions regarding the car. (but you did).. but since you did answer my questions, you should address my question which is ‘gearbox and throttle delay’.. of course I can’t force you to answer.. but you wanna answer.. but you didn’t give me the answer I need, hence I feel you’re not understanding what I’m saying hence I said you’re lost. (sesat).. it is IMHO (I can have my own opinions, it’s not being rude). yea maybe you’re right that I can’t relate to what you’re saying.. because i’m not a car expert like you who thinks that engine and gearbox are the same issue? What’s it you’re trying to say? engine and gearbox are the same issue? I’m not a car expert and hence i’m asking questions seeking for honest answers. My main concern is I can’t decide between auto and manual.. but you were talking about campro engine la.. wira engine la.. (Yes I cannot understand you, it’s my problem)

    3) You said: ‘are u malaysian? go die la…)’.. now that’s really utter rudeness. Did I ask you to go die or go to hell? I didn’t. I think you don’t know how to differentiate what’s the meaning of rude and what’s being direct and straight forward to the point. I’m a straight forward person, I got questions I say it direct and clear. I’m not like you, ppl ask about gearbox, you answer about engine. Yes I can’t relate what you’re trying to say. You said: ‘It is u who cant relate those things, dumbass’.. oh you are REALLY rude.

    4) You said: ‘ if u don like my post, then just ignore it, no need for u tell other people around here this and that)’ Sorry but I’m a person that says things directly and straight forward. If I don’t like a post, I will comment about it… (you cannot control what is my opinion about you)

    5) You’re a waste of time. I’ve spoken to a friend who drives a myvi manual.. He told me manual is better and just need to adjust clutch to get used to it.. You just wanna make things complicated because I love my hyundai accent and you wanna talk big about your wira. (that’s my honest opinion)

    6) You said: ‘Who are u to tell me that im lost? Know urself. Go look in the mirror of ur own pathetic face)’ Wow, how rude is that? I think you should look yourself in the mirror dude.

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  • KAK KAY on Jan 13, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Sebagai rakyat Malaysia yang merdeka, sudah tentulah I LOVE MALAYSIA, tapi nak bagi pandangan tentang ALZA. Bolehkah Perodua menukar bentuk di bahagian belakang kete, sedikit macam wish, bagi ruang simpan barang besar. Harga pun agak mahal, perlukan penurunan bagi rakyat selesa.

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  • alza is piece of shit … cheat money !!!

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