Mercedes-Benz’s AMG division is considering to use different types of fuel in the future to power its high performance cars, according to WHATCAR that is. This is further fueled by the recent confirmation that the company will build an electric-powered SLS AMG that can output up to 526hp and 880Nm of torque.
When asked about developing and using high performance diesel engines, AMG’s product manager Oliver Wiech said, “We are taking an open view and looking at lots of options, but if you look at our announcement on the electric SLS, you can see what is in the future.”
Recent diesel engines are very efficient and they can also offer bags of power, especially since they can produce very high torque. For example, BMW’s 530d is able to generate 245hp and a 540Nm of torque from its 3.0 litre 6-cylinder powerplant.
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hopefully that mercedes will bring in their diesel variant of cars, as bmw did with their efficiency dynamics car
cant wait to be sitting on a blueefficiency merc
can the engine take our EURO2 diesel ? probably not…
Since diesel engine is capable in producing large amount of torque, I'm looking forward for AMG produced diesel engine. AMG most powerful petrol engine has 740ft·lb @ 2200-4200rpm of torque from SL65 Black Series.
erm,except M'sia diesel standard increase,if not it won't be seen in M'sia bring in by MBM,unless grey market,especially NAZA(~^^~)
So much tork. Can the tayar support? Must be lotsa wheelspin
Do you think AMG so stupid that they do not have support for the high torque. Look at their rims and tyre first, before that they have also traction control and stability control. If still cannot LSD will came in also.
I wonder what Jeremy Clarkson has to say about this?
Merc turbodiesel luxury pickup truck, anyone?
jolly_idiot said,
November 28, 2009 @ 2:16 pm
'So much tork. Can the tayar support? Must be lotsa wheelspin'
All new Mercedes-Benz or BMW are equipped with a traction control system. The wheelspin is conrolled electronically and the engine torque is limited in this case.
But you got the point: The torque can even be a problem. Building an engine with much torque is no big problem. But building a gearbox which can 'survive' the enormous torque at low rpm for several 100k kilometer…
Lorries from Volvo, Scania, Hino, etc. have big gearbox-oilcoolers btw. But where to put the additional oilcooler in a passerger car ?
diesel power!!! one q though, y is it not possible to build a new breed of D engines that could rev higher??? previously, if i'm not mistaken, diesel engines require extremely high compression ratios to ignite the fuel, hence the long bore to stroke ratio dimensions; which limit rev-ability but simply out torques petrol engine of the same displacement, esp in the lower end. but with the advent of new techs like VGT and VVT shouldnt' engine manufacturers be able to build one with a more square bore/stroke dimension, which in turn would allow it to rev higher, which would allow engineers to tune-in higher top end output??? anybody can help me here???
Interesting. Thought not exactly AMG, Mercedes-Benz experimented with high powered, high speed diesel supercars way back in the 1970s. Unfortunately it was more a concept and never went into production.
When it comes to high powered diesel sportscars, unfortunately it is Audi that is leading this realm. The won at Le Mans 24hrs for several years with their diesel racer. 900kg LMP1 race car with 5.5L V12 over 650hp and over 1000Nm of Torque to the rear wheels
Europe's going the diesel route. How's Proton going to sell cars in Europe?
squawk said,
November 28, 2009 @ 11:11 pm
Europe’s going the diesel route. How’s Proton going to sell cars in Europe?
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not going to work. people usually buy mercedez-benz diesels…..not PROTON
Mazda 3 MPS said,
squawk said,
November 28, 2009 @ 11:11 pm
Europe’s going the diesel route. How’s Proton going to sell cars in Europe?
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not going to work. people usually buy mercedez-benz diesels…..not PROTON
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FYI, not evry 1 in europe can afford to purchase, feed and maintain a merc- it is a luxury car you know, unless u have a false sense of reality.
shooter said,
November 29, 2009 @ 1:20 am
Mazda 3 MPS said,
squawk said,
November 28, 2009 @ 11:11 pm
Europe’s going the diesel route. How’s Proton going to sell cars in Europe?
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not going to work. people usually buy mercedez-benz diesels…..not PROTON
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FYI, not evry 1 in europe can afford to purchase, feed and maintain a merc- it is a luxury car you know, unless u have a false sense of reality.
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no, im just being sarcastic, why must you guys post comments about PROTON in every topic regarding another carmaker
shooter said,
November 28, 2009 @ 9:36 pm
'diesel power!!! one q though, y is it not possible to build a new breed of D engines that could rev higher??? '
No, that's impossible. The max rpm of a diesel engine is usually around 4500rpm, sometimes 4800rmp.
The reason is simple: Diesel doesn't 'explode' like petrol, the combustion is much slower.
Short: The piston is 'pushed' slower downwards to the crankshaft, but with more force… ;)
nice…. i ponder tho.. how they achieved to build powerful lite weight d engine…?
comment nuttin.. since d engine is my know no.. ciao..
shooter said,
November 29, 2009 @ 1:20 am
FYI, not evry 1 in europe can afford to purchase, feed and maintain a merc- it is a luxury car you know, unless u have a false sense of reality.
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Mercs aren't as expensive (relatively speaking), and certainly not as over glorified and over hyped as it is here in Malaysia. Due to our own culture, we have grossly over valued the brand perception of the 3 pointed star. Merc can produce the ugliest car on the planet which pundits will hate but as soon as they put the 3 pointed star badge on it corporate buyers will line up to buy it.
In europe the average joe can sit in the latest E Class Merc anytime. All they have to do is call for a taxi!
I've to mention P1 cos the trend in Europe is diesel and that's the market our carmaker wants to target. US & Asia are still on petrol, if they're not using hybrid or flexfuel. Wouldn't they be more practical markets?
squawk said,
November 29, 2009 @ 12:15 pm
I’ve to mention P1 cos the trend in Europe is diesel and that’s the market our carmaker wants to target. US & Asia are still on petrol, if they’re not using hybrid or flexfuel. Wouldn’t they be more practical markets?
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europe? oh please stop dreaming
Well, first thing first. Diesel engine without turbo requires very high compression ratio to burn the fuel. Howver, like turbo tuning in petrol engine, if we want more power, the compression ratio has to be reduced (NA diesel engines have compression ratio over 20 whereas turbo diesel has compression ratio below 20).
Second thing is that those diesel variant vehicles have met strict Euro emission controls (some until Euro VI). However, if these vehicles 100% same specs brought in Malaysia, the owners have to pay more on maintenance, as diesel vehicles that meet Euro IV and above have diesel particular filter (DPF) and NOx filter equipped. Those already increased the maintenance costs. So unless our government introduces the same high grade diesel as European countries, we only have diesel vehicles that meets Euro III standards.
Mazda, I'm not the one dreaming.
squawk said,
November 29, 2009 @ 3:21 pm
Mazda, I’m not the one dreaming.
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yeap, tell najib or that skinny ceo of proton to stop doing so
Dear Proton GayBoys, do not ever taint the name of famous quality car makers such as Mercedes-Benz. This thread is dedicated to super turbo diesel engine which is generously developed by Merc. It has nothing to do with Proton, whether Proton will be able to access to Europe market. It is not our freaking problem to begin with (in fact the Europeans are way better without Proton). No worries, nobody in Europe buys Proton. Proton are so rare (in Europe and maybe extinct) that you would see more Ferraris, Lamborghini, Porches and etc on the road. So please do not compare that "rotten apple" with that nice "golden apple" made in Europe.
Many countries in the EU do not allow Proton to market their cars there…
Mazda 3 MPS said,
November 29, 2009 @ 10:43 pm
'Many countries in the EU do not allow Proton to market their cars there…'
Sorry, complete nonsense. The EU is a 'common market'. Customs for goods only have to be paid when they enter the EU. It doesn't matter if the goods enter the EU in Finland or Greece.
And when I can sell a car i.e. in Greece, I can automatically sell it in France, Finland and Italy. Only the VAT is different in every EU member state. Otherwise the EU wouldn't make any sense at all… ;)
Mazda 3 MPS said,
November 29, 2009 @ 10:43 pm
Many countries in the EU do not allow Proton to market their cars there…
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not enitrely correct but to some extent there Mazda has a point. The proton cars, sure you can buy it and drive it in the city, but you won't be allowed to use it on the Autostardas or Autobahns due to its lack of safety features and inferior engine which is not powerful enough to keep up with other cars on the road.
If Paul Tan posted a story on bikinis and lingerie I wonder if posters would still somehow end up talking about Proton. Very curious to know..
haha, Europe’s going the bikini route. How’s Proton going to sell bikini in Europe?
The Noble Proton Bashers said,
November 30, 2009 @ 12:22 pm
haha, Europe’s going the bikini route. How’s Proton going to sell bikini in Europe?
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haha, new proton bikini
look, I'm no engineer, but i know enuf to realise R&D for diesel tech/engine is some what lacking compared to their pertol burnin' cuzins…almost all hi performance int.comb. engine is/ are petrol drinkers…thanks to decades of R&D and shit loads of racing over the years…i believe that under the same condotions, diesel engine could evolve in the same direction.
shooter said,
November 30, 2009 @ 3:49 pm
look, I’m no engineer, but i know enuf to realise R&D for diesel tech/engine is some what lacking compared to their pertol burnin’ cuzins…almost all hi performance int.comb. engine is/ are petrol drinkers…thanks to decades of R&D and shit loads of racing over the years…i believe that under the same condotions, diesel engine could evolve in the same direction.
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lol this reminds me of the one-make race series Tesla owners were planning, isn't that missing the point of buying a slightly more environmentally friendly sport car?
shooter said,
November 30, 2009 @ 3:49 pm
'look, I’m no engineer, but i know enuf to realise R&D for diesel tech/engine is some what lacking compared to their pertol burnin’ cuzins…almost all hi performance int.comb. engine is/ are petrol drinkers…thanks to decades of R&D and shit loads of racing over the years…i believe that under the same condotions, diesel engine could evolve in the same direction.'
Just to remind you: the Audi R10 TDI (Le Mans race car) is a Diesel. After winning nearly all races in a season, it was given a additional weight and a smaller tank from the international motorsport committee, because it has a, quote: 'unfair advantage' over the 'petrol burners'.
The Peugeot 908 race car is even faster, it can reache over 400km/h…. ;)
Mohd said,
"just to remind you: the Audi R10 TDI (Le Mans race car) is a Diesel. After winning nearly all races in a season, it was given a additional weight and a smaller tank from the international motorsport committee, because it has a, quote: ‘unfair advantage’ over the ‘petrol burners’.
The Peugeot 908 race car is even faster, it can reache over 400km/h…. ;)"
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I know where youre comin from, i am aware of that particular Audi racing machine, but my point is in the last half century or so, petrol fueled engines- be it 2T, 4T, NA or forced inducted, two / four wheeled- have, more often than not, been exclusively singled out for racing. and with continous involvement in that field, comes continous R&D- diesel burners almost never enjoyed that!
shooter said,
November 30, 2009 @ 9:17 pm
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' I know where youre comin from, i am aware of that particular Audi racing machine, but my point is in the last half century or so, petrol fueled engines- be it 2T, 4T, NA or forced inducted, two / four wheeled- have, more often than not, been exclusively singled out for racing. and with continous involvement in that field, comes continous R&D- diesel burners almost never enjoyed that!'
The Diesel engine has a disadvantage to the petrol engine as a matter of principle. Without forced induction (Turbo or supercharger), it will never have the same capacity as a petrol engine. This is impossible !
It is not the fault of the Diesel engine, that the rules for nearly any racing series in the world are entirely made for petrol engines… ;)
Take Le Mans: After the Diesel engine prooved it's supremacy over the petrol engine under racing conditions, quickly new rules were introduced to put ties on Diesel racing cars.
And who made the new rules ? The manufacturers who don't have a Diesel in their line-up… ;)
any chance F1 might switch to diesel??? now THAT would definitely be a step in the right direction… if it were to happen, just think about the leap frog in diesel tech could have, and the kind of techs tha would eventualy trickle down to production cars…
also, diesel motor GP… just kidding, but i wouldnt' mind the idea of a diesel cruiser like a Harley, makes more sense actualy…
while everyone is quitting racing…..only dumb asses like najib is joining f1
I'm quite surprised no one mentioned about the MB C Coupe C30 AMG….
Followed one while going up the MRR heading towars Cheras Carefour.
Was pretty impressed when the AMG floored it going up the hill.
Pretty quick but the amount of smoke coming out from the exhaust was crazy…
FYI I would have thought this was the 1st offical diesel AMG car.
One car i would never expect to see on our roads. Damn sleeper too.
I think it's around 240bhp and a million gazillion NM of torque lol….
But i'll still prefer a debadged C32 AMG as a C180 kekekeke.