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	<title>Comments on: Volkswagen plans to sell one million vehicles per year in Brazil</title>
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		<title>By: Mazda 3 MPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazda 3 MPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sta said, 
 
December 2, 2009 @ 12:27 pm 
 
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I&#8217;m sick and tired the complaining about Proton and their &#8220;awful&#8221; 25 years. We expect too much too fast from Proton and then say they&#8217;re a failure. Know how long Hyundai took to get to where they are now? 40 years. To get to the quality of the Hyundai today took 23 years! Proton has only been in the arena for 25 years, and designed their own car for less than that! Give them a chance. 
[/QUOTE] 
this is a simple-minded argument. 
 
after another 25 years, when proton is still lagging behind, u will point at hyundai and say they have been around for 65 years while proton only has 50 years history, give them a chance. 
 
after another 100 years, when proton is still lagging behind, u will point at hyundai and say they have been around for 140 years while proton only has 125 years history, give them a chance. 
 
it is just an excuse by uncompetitive bumis like u to perpetuate the subsidies 
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if only proton could be like skoda. 20 years ago, proton actually made better cars than them. fast foward 20 years, skoda produces the skoda octavia VRS, budget performance car of the year 2006 while proton......*shake heads* cam-tak-pro </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sta said,</p>
<p>December 2, 2009 @ 12:27 pm</p>
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<p>I&rsquo;m sick and tired the complaining about Proton and their &ldquo;awful&rdquo; 25 years. We expect too much too fast from Proton and then say they&rsquo;re a failure. Know how long Hyundai took to get to where they are now? 40 years. To get to the quality of the Hyundai today took 23 years! Proton has only been in the arena for 25 years, and designed their own car for less than that! Give them a chance.</p>
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<p>this is a simple-minded argument.</p>
<p>after another 25 years, when proton is still lagging behind, u will point at hyundai and say they have been around for 65 years while proton only has 50 years history, give them a chance.</p>
<p>after another 100 years, when proton is still lagging behind, u will point at hyundai and say they have been around for 140 years while proton only has 125 years history, give them a chance.</p>
<p>it is just an excuse by uncompetitive bumis like u to perpetuate the subsidies</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>if only proton could be like skoda. 20 years ago, proton actually made better cars than them. fast foward 20 years, skoda produces the skoda octavia VRS, budget performance car of the year 2006 while proton&#8230;&#8230;*shake heads* cam-tak-pro</p>
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		<title>By: sta</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/12/01/volkswagen-plans-to-sell-one-million-vehicles-per-year-in-brazil/#comment-279109</link>
		<dc:creator>sta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the above comment was directed at Tiadaid </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the above comment was directed at Tiadaid</p>
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		<title>By: sta</title>
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		<dc:creator>sta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[QUOTE] 
I&#8217;m sick and tired the complaining about Proton and their &#8220;awful&#8221; 25 years. We expect too much too fast from Proton and then say they&#8217;re a failure. Know how long Hyundai took to get to where they are now? 40 years. To get to the quality of the Hyundai today took 23 years! Proton has only been in the arena for 25 years, and designed their own car for less than that! Give them a chance. 
[/QUOTE] 
this is a simple-minded argument. 
 
after another 25 years, when proton is still lagging behind, u will point at hyundai and say they have been around for 65 years while proton only has 50 years history, give them a chance. 
 
after another 100 years, when proton is still lagging behind, u will point at hyundai and say they have been around for 140 years while proton only has 125 years history, give them a chance. 
 
it is just an excuse by uncompetitive bumis like u to perpetuate the subsidies </description>
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<p>I&rsquo;m sick and tired the complaining about Proton and their &ldquo;awful&rdquo; 25 years. We expect too much too fast from Proton and then say they&rsquo;re a failure. Know how long Hyundai took to get to where they are now? 40 years. To get to the quality of the Hyundai today took 23 years! Proton has only been in the arena for 25 years, and designed their own car for less than that! Give them a chance.</p>
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<p>this is a simple-minded argument.</p>
<p>after another 25 years, when proton is still lagging behind, u will point at hyundai and say they have been around for 65 years while proton only has 50 years history, give them a chance.</p>
<p>after another 100 years, when proton is still lagging behind, u will point at hyundai and say they have been around for 140 years while proton only has 125 years history, give them a chance.</p>
<p>it is just an excuse by uncompetitive bumis like u to perpetuate the subsidies</p>
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		<title>By: TheGunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheGunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Danny, 
 
Congratulations on your first post on the blog. You have been doing great in Autocar ASEAN. 
 
Looking forward to continue following your work. All the best in your new venture, and see you at the next launch. ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Danny,</p>
<p>Congratulations on your first post on the blog. You have been doing great in Autocar ASEAN.</p>
<p>Looking forward to continue following your work. All the best in your new venture, and see you at the next launch. <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mohd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BeemerFreak said, 
 December 1, 2009 @ 10:06 am  
&#039;Look at Skoda, Seat,Audi and even bentley.&#039; 
 
They have a 70.94% controlling stake in SCANIA lorries and a 29.9% stake in MAN lorries too... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BeemerFreak said,</p>
<p> December 1, 2009 @ 10:06 am </p>
<p>&#039;Look at Skoda, Seat,Audi and even bentley.&#039;</p>
<p>They have a 70.94% controlling stake in SCANIA lorries and a 29.9% stake in MAN lorries too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tokmoh</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/12/01/volkswagen-plans-to-sell-one-million-vehicles-per-year-in-brazil/#comment-278983</link>
		<dc:creator>tokmoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mazda 3 MPS : Yes, I believe this Danny Tan is the Danny Tan in Autocar Asean. 
 
Littlefire : RM3 billion, not million. Anyway, Calvin Sankaran has a guess on the real reason why Samsung pulled off : &lt;a href=&quot;http://forum.mykmu.net/modules.php?name=Forums&amp;file=viewtopic&amp;t=19486&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;start=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://forum.mykmu.net/modules.php?name=Forums&amp;am...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
They went to Pinoy instead. 
 
Anyway, I&#039;ll give benefit of doubt that Penang got sabotaged in this whole Sansung fiasco. We&#039;ll see if next GE, PR will take over as Fed Govt. And if there&#039;s more blunder of this kind involving billions of lost FDI, then msians will realise that they&#039;ve been &#039;penny wise, pound foolish&#039;. Let&#039;s see if then PR will reduce car price to &#039;real&#039; market price, but what use of it if since no FDI, no income, thus the people are too poor to buy them? Increase tax? Remove subsidy? I dare them to do it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mazda 3 MPS : Yes, I believe this Danny Tan is the Danny Tan in Autocar Asean.</p>
<p>Littlefire : RM3 billion, not million. Anyway, Calvin Sankaran has a guess on the real reason why Samsung pulled off : <a href="http://forum.mykmu.net/modules.php?name=Forums&amp;file=viewtopic&amp;t=19486&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;start=0" rel="nofollow">http://forum.mykmu.net/modules.php?name=Forums&#038;am&#8230;</a>  </p>
<p>They went to Pinoy instead.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#039;ll give benefit of doubt that Penang got sabotaged in this whole Sansung fiasco. We&#039;ll see if next GE, PR will take over as Fed Govt. And if there&#039;s more blunder of this kind involving billions of lost FDI, then msians will realise that they&#039;ve been &#039;penny wise, pound foolish&#039;. Let&#039;s see if then PR will reduce car price to &#039;real&#039; market price, but what use of it if since no FDI, no income, thus the people are too poor to buy them? Increase tax? Remove subsidy? I dare them to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mazda 3 MPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazda 3 MPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Littlefire said, 
 
December 1, 2009 @ 6:17 pm 
 
The investment Penang rumoured 3M lost is from Samsung, 
 
Samsung have rejected an offer a few years back, then BN at that time cant assure that the second bridge can built on to give them easy access to air-port. (Now you know why the Penang 2nd bridge are built at first place) 
 
At that time, Samsung already tell of interest will go to Thailand to invest. After BN loss Penang, DAP ppl went to Samsung to nego again, but due to lost interest in Penang they rejected it by giving the DAP G that they dont have enough professional electrical engineer.. I can say this is just an accuse to cancel the nego as they already in Thailand&#8230; 
 
This is what i can say.. If you come to Penang and work u will know that the DAP G is working as hard as possible to please everyone, but due to some 2nd &amp; 3rd party ppl making trouble&#8230; Haiz&#8230; 
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all i see is that penang is a great place to be in now. even the security guard at komtar loves the guan eng... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Littlefire said,</p>
<p>December 1, 2009 @ 6:17 pm</p>
<p>The investment Penang rumoured 3M lost is from Samsung,</p>
<p>Samsung have rejected an offer a few years back, then BN at that time cant assure that the second bridge can built on to give them easy access to air-port. (Now you know why the Penang 2nd bridge are built at first place)</p>
<p>At that time, Samsung already tell of interest will go to Thailand to invest. After BN loss Penang, DAP ppl went to Samsung to nego again, but due to lost interest in Penang they rejected it by giving the DAP G that they dont have enough professional electrical engineer.. I can say this is just an accuse to cancel the nego as they already in Thailand&hellip;</p>
<p>This is what i can say.. If you come to Penang and work u will know that the DAP G is working as hard as possible to please everyone, but due to some 2nd &amp; 3rd party ppl making trouble&hellip; Haiz&hellip;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>all i see is that penang is a great place to be in now. even the security guard at komtar loves the guan eng&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Littlefire</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/12/01/volkswagen-plans-to-sell-one-million-vehicles-per-year-in-brazil/#comment-278886</link>
		<dc:creator>Littlefire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The investment Penang  rumoured 3M lost is from Samsung,  
 
Samsung have rejected an offer a few years back, then BN at that time cant assure that the second bridge can built on to give them easy access to air-port. (Now you know why the Penang 2nd bridge are built at first place)   
 
At that time, Samsung already tell of interest will go to Thailand to invest. After BN loss Penang, DAP ppl went to Samsung to nego again, but due to lost interest in Penang they rejected it by giving the DAP G that they dont have enough professional electrical engineer.. I can say this is just an accuse to cancel the nego as they already in Thailand...  
 
This is what i can say.. If you come to Penang and work u will know that the DAP G is working as hard as possible to please everyone, but due to some 2nd &amp; 3rd party ppl making trouble... Haiz... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The investment Penang  rumoured 3M lost is from Samsung, </p>
<p>Samsung have rejected an offer a few years back, then BN at that time cant assure that the second bridge can built on to give them easy access to air-port. (Now you know why the Penang 2nd bridge are built at first place)  </p>
<p>At that time, Samsung already tell of interest will go to Thailand to invest. After BN loss Penang, DAP ppl went to Samsung to nego again, but due to lost interest in Penang they rejected it by giving the DAP G that they dont have enough professional electrical engineer.. I can say this is just an accuse to cancel the nego as they already in Thailand&#8230; </p>
<p>This is what i can say.. If you come to Penang and work u will know that the DAP G is working as hard as possible to please everyone, but due to some 2nd &amp; 3rd party ppl making trouble&#8230; Haiz&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know... without national pride, vw and other big car manufacture will not come this far. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know&#8230; without national pride, vw and other big car manufacture will not come this far.</p>
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		<title>By: Mazda 3 MPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazda 3 MPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tokmoh said, 
 
December 1, 2009 @ 12:41 pm 
 
Arararara, Danny Tan&#8217;s first post? Selamat datang :) 
 
Hmmm&#8230;&#8230; here we go again&#8230; and again&#8230; and again&#8230; 
 
The govt may have missed USD140m investment by VW, but somehow, Penang have missed USD3 BILLION investment bcuz &#8220;cannot guarantee enough supply of engineers&#8221;. Hmmm&#8230;&#8230; 
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the guy from autocar? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tokmoh said,</p>
<p>December 1, 2009 @ 12:41 pm</p>
<p>Arararara, Danny Tan&rsquo;s first post? Selamat datang <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hmmm&hellip;&hellip; here we go again&hellip; and again&hellip; and again&hellip;</p>
<p>The govt may have missed USD140m investment by VW, but somehow, Penang have missed USD3 BILLION investment bcuz &ldquo;cannot guarantee enough supply of engineers&rdquo;. Hmmm&hellip;&hellip;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>the guy from autocar?</p>
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		<title>By: tokmoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>tokmoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arararara, Danny Tan&#039;s first post? Selamat datang :)  
 
Hmmm...... here we go again... and again... and again...  
 
The govt may have missed USD140m investment by VW, but somehow, Penang have missed USD3 BILLION investment bcuz &quot;cannot guarantee enough supply of engineers&quot;.  Hmmm...... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arararara, Danny Tan&#039;s first post? Selamat datang <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;&#8230; here we go again&#8230; and again&#8230; and again&#8230; </p>
<p>The govt may have missed USD140m investment by VW, but somehow, Penang have missed USD3 BILLION investment bcuz &quot;cannot guarantee enough supply of engineers&quot;.  Hmmm&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tiadaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiadaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BeemerFreak said, 
December 1, 2009 @ 10:06 am 
 
Thye should not think about national pride or all these rubbish instead reflect on the aweful failure that they have achieved in 25 years. 
 
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I&#039;m sick and tired the complaining about Proton and their &quot;awful&quot; 25 years. We expect too much too fast from Proton and then say they&#039;re a failure. Know how long Hyundai took to get to where they are now? 40 years. To get to the quality of the Hyundai today took 23 years! Proton has only been in the arena for 25 years, and designed their own car for less than that! Give them a chance. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BeemerFreak said,</p>
<p>December 1, 2009 @ 10:06 am</p>
<p>Thye should not think about national pride or all these rubbish instead reflect on the aweful failure that they have achieved in 25 years.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#039;m sick and tired the complaining about Proton and their &quot;awful&quot; 25 years. We expect too much too fast from Proton and then say they&#039;re a failure. Know how long Hyundai took to get to where they are now? 40 years. To get to the quality of the Hyundai today took 23 years! Proton has only been in the arena for 25 years, and designed their own car for less than that! Give them a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: csv</title>
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		<dc:creator>csv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, the opportunity has passed us by. 
 
even still, can&#039;t accept the fact  that because of &quot;growing&quot; sales, VW was turned away by our government. 
 
growing? like i give a shit. its growing at the expense of killing the citizens.  
 
anyway, what we can do is to hope future turns better. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, the opportunity has passed us by.</p>
<p>even still, can&#039;t accept the fact  that because of &quot;growing&quot; sales, VW was turned away by our government.</p>
<p>growing? like i give a shit. its growing at the expense of killing the citizens. </p>
<p>anyway, what we can do is to hope future turns better.</p>
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		<title>By: Littlefire</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/12/01/volkswagen-plans-to-sell-one-million-vehicles-per-year-in-brazil/#comment-278752</link>
		<dc:creator>Littlefire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we have lost the chance... Thanks to out beloved G and P1... Yeah! I wonder can P1 produce 3000 car perday and made sales like VW did... When they reject the VW offer make P1 felt like they are better than VW..  
 
By looking amout VW can sell, do you think P1 will produce more job or VW? Use ur commensence to think .. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we have lost the chance&#8230; Thanks to out beloved G and P1&#8230; Yeah! I wonder can P1 produce 3000 car perday and made sales like VW did&#8230; When they reject the VW offer make P1 felt like they are better than VW.. </p>
<p>By looking amout VW can sell, do you think P1 will produce more job or VW? Use ur commensence to think ..</p>
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		<title>By: BeemerFreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeemerFreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have the old man to blame for all this. 600 million a year from tax payers into so called R&amp;D and what we get inreturn i bag full of shit with shitty cars. In this stance every malaysian should be given a free proton for their contribution.  
 
Thye should not think about national pride or all these rubbish instead reflect on the aweful failure that they have achieved in 25 years. p2 does not fall into this because they are just a puppet for daihatsu. Sell damn proton to volkswagen and reap the pofits. Look at Skoda, Seat,Audi and even bentley. These are morereputable brands thats stupid old proton and yet they were sold to VW and are now gainning the benefits.  
 
I say we shoot the old man and whoever who supports proton to be fed by tax payers money. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have the old man to blame for all this. 600 million a year from tax payers into so called R&amp;D and what we get inreturn i bag full of shit with shitty cars. In this stance every malaysian should be given a free proton for their contribution. </p>
<p>Thye should not think about national pride or all these rubbish instead reflect on the aweful failure that they have achieved in 25 years. p2 does not fall into this because they are just a puppet for daihatsu. Sell damn proton to volkswagen and reap the pofits. Look at Skoda, Seat,Audi and even bentley. These are morereputable brands thats stupid old proton and yet they were sold to VW and are now gainning the benefits. </p>
<p>I say we shoot the old man and whoever who supports proton to be fed by tax payers money.</p>
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