So… anyone here has experience in adding CPS to PESONA engine?

Is it could happen?

How much the cost?

About engine performance?

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Mat: Sure, great knowing person like u.

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and for those who thinks CAMPRO is from Mitsu, now let me embrace u with some info on campro projects, courtesy of lotus inc

With a production launch in 2004 the CamPro project has successfully confirmed Proton as an independent engine manufacturer. The new 1.6 and 1.3 litre gasoline engines were engineered with Lotus and now power the new Proton Gen 2 vehicle, the first application of a Proton designed and manufactured engine.

The Campro project was initiated in late 1999 when Proton made clear their vision to complete their independence, by replacing engines currently being built under licence with their own designs. Proton also aimed to transform their understanding of the process of engine design and development to confirm a future as an independent engine manufacturer.

The brief was given to Lotus to design from a clean sheet of paper an engine of 1.3L and 1.6L capacity, with world class combinations of power and torque, future emissions protection and minimum component BOM cost. To maximise profitability the program was to utilise much of the existing Proton manufacturing facilities, even while they still produced some of the existing

engines under licence, and have maximum commonisation of components between the two new engines to limit inventory.

Achievement of the stringent BOM targets required a flexible combination of local vendors and a global supply base. The Lotus solution to these requirements constituted an engineering programme which spanned the globe, drawing on the engineering expertise of Proton, Lotus and a host of suppliers and technical partners. Co-ordination and delivery of this complex

global project required not only engineering excellence but also the application of new technology to make it a reality.

The following describes the resources, methods and operational locations which were key in delivering the CamPro program. The project was split into two distinct operating phases, Prototype and Production, to reflect the changing needs of the programme as it progressed to start of production.

Prototype Phases

For Mule, F1 and F2 prototype phases the majority of the work and ‘centre of gravity’ of the project was located in the UK to exploit Lotus strengths in powertrain development. Throughout this period the project, product engineering, CAE, development and quality function groups remained based at Lotus Engineering, Hethel.

The Lotus design team included Proton engine designers who made up a third of the total team size and were all based within one confidential office. The Proton design staff relocated to the UK for this activity for a period of 2 years, undertaking much of the technology transfer process. The work related to production supplier nomination was co-ordinated and ably supported by

Proton SST staff, also on secondment, working with Lotus Purchasing staff and liaising with Proton Group Purchasing and Project Management groups in Malaysia.

The project team had daily communications with project staff in Malaysia, which was coordinated by an LEM project manager who relocated to Malaysia to support this essential liaison and interface with the client. Typical for Lotus projects, a product engineering team was appointed to co-ordinate the engineering of new components and ystems. Key to their activity was management of the functional engineers based at various sites including suppliers. These suppliers were predominantly based in Europe, the Far East

(including Malaysia, Korea and Japan), and in Australia. The functional engineers provided specific technical skills necessary to develop the component and were drawn from the best available to Lotus including, where necessary, Simultaneous Engineering Partner (SEP) companies employed to provide specialist knowledge to the team.

Communication between the engineering team rapidly developed to dominate and dictate project activity and was managed using email, video conferencing and copious amounts of travelling. To support work with the UK design team Lotus implemented a PC based CAD viewing tool which allowed project staff to see the same CAD data as the designer during discussions and meetings

despite the physical separation between sites.

To enable efficient world-wide communications a project database was set up from the start of the program by the Project and Product Engineering group, it being essential to manage and co-ordinate activity in real-time across multiple time-zones.

Utilising contemporary technology the database was developed by Lotus specifically to support Campro and implemented on the secure Lotus intranet, with direct access for all project staff and connectivity from all global engineering sites.

The (SINDUR) database ensured that engineering concerns and the engineering release of drawings and critical project data could be communicated and approved by program staff across several sites. The software also provided the basis for subsequent transfer of the project centre to Malaysia for the later production stages of the project.

All engineering drawing releases were controlled using the project engineering database. This allowed the requirements for designs to be instigated by the engineering team and communicated to the designers and engineering team regardless of location.

Drawings and models were developed and then released through the SINDUR database with authorised digital sign off by all key staff including design, project, engineering, development, CAE and purchasing. Completed design data was then released and exported to Proton for input into the Proton data management system.

The core CAE team made up of Lotus and Proton engineers was based at Hethel with the analysis being led by experienced Lotus engineers. Further illustrating the Group vision, certain aspects of the CAE work were undertaken in Malaysia by Proton staff following their return from the UK.

Prototype engine build and development testing continued in the UK in dedicated facilities at Hethel. Engineering concerns generated from the test program were put into the engineering database for resolution, management, reporting and control. These concerns being accessible by all function groups for monitoring and approval.

Pre-Production

In the pre-production phases of the program the operating model changed to reflect the progressive ramp-up of manufacturing preparations for start of production (SOP) in Malaysia. To manage this activity the focus of the engineering staff moved to the Proton Powertrain satellite office in Shah Alam, Malaysia. The product engineering leader relocated to Malaysia and

led a team of European and Malaysian engineers from Lotus Engineering Malaysia. Their responsibilities remained the same as the prototype phase to deliver the engineering to provide a robust design.

A relocated design team was made up of an experienced design leader from Lotus Engineering (LE) Hethel and locally recruited Lotus Engineering Malaysia (LEM) staff. This team progressed the design through to production, releasing drawings and data to the Proton data management system (PDM).

To support the growing development activities for durability and validation the project now utilised facilities at both LE Hethel and Proton Shah Alam. The extensive vehicle calibration program for Campro was continued by Proton staff under the leadership of a senior experienced Lotus employee who also relocated to Malaysia to support the program. Calibration test work, with vehicles being shipped overseas where necessary, took place in Malaysia, the UK, Sweden and Australia.

Proton Group Purchasing had production purchasing responsibility and placed all purchase orders for the preproduction and production components and tooling. To support the supply base preparations, Supplier Quality Assurance (SQA) engineers travelled the world, visiting suppliers and assessing PPAP readiness. Throughout this phase of the program the project database

(SINDUR) was essential in co-ordinating the engineering data from the two primary engineering sites, engineers using the system to record /manage data and co-ordinate activity such as concern resolution.

Conclusions

The Campro program was a very complex project utilising the best engineering resource around the world. Effective use of this resource required the application of proven Lotus Powertrain best practice and development of dedicated project management tools.

The project activities spanned the world and demonstrate the global nature of modern engineering programs and the strengths required to deliver these.

The CamPro engine has now entered production in Malaysia with

a first application in the Proton Gen 2 vehicle and Campro engine coming soon will equip with Lotus Patent Cam Profile Switching (CPS) system and Lotus patent Variable Induction Manifold (VIM)System that will give the engine a boost of technology advancement.

Sources: Lotus Engineering

So, sapa kata senang je buat enjin mcm ah beng buat, bacalah, ini secara general je, belum details. bukan senang nak buat enjin beb, so, sapa yang ckp mudah aje, tengok dulu macammana engine development, ni x termasuk gearbox n seterusnya sampai siap kete. Ni baru part enjin aje. k.

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December 11, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

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Help answer……

CBU – Completely Built up, cars which are imported in whole fully assembled from another country.

CKD – Completely Knocked Down, cars which are brought into the country in the form of kits. The kits are assembled locally, with alot of the parts not supplied in the main kit sourced from local manufacturers.

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Just give them 5 more years to evolve under the new management. he just start to control proton in 2006 when satria neo was launched. so u can see a lot of improvements from 2006-2009 under his management.

and just a correction, yes, perdana wear proton emblems but it is actually totally mitsubishi cars(proton just rebadge). from power terrains, platform, chasis, gearbox, handling, all of its come from MMC. proton did not invest in such niche market, but they need one, so the easiest way is rebadge. only the latter perdana v6 got touch of suspension tuning from lotus. thats all. if u check ur wing mirror, u will see the MMC name below it because it is parts from MMC, that is why proton cannot control its price. it can be considered half CKD Half CBU(my own term).

yes, previously the tax is to protect proton because they still rebadging cars, but nowadays they are independance. the tax is to protect perodua, naza n inokom because they are still rebadging. if no tax, toyota,daihatsu, kia, hyundai n etc will selling the cars themselves, n get so many profits. if they used perodua, naza n inikom(drb), thay have to share profit with others. why bother to share profit when u can have it ur own.

i believe, if proton exora h-line without tax, the price will be around RM65k, so it is an affordable MPV if u compare with toyota vios trd(only diff with standard is the cosmetic change only) without tax price around RM68k.

exora m-line will be around rm59k, and vios g spec in Malaysia without tax will be around rm 62k, so the standatd vios(CAR) is already expensive if compare with exora m-line(MPV), and vios is only for asean region only because it is a low cost car for toyota for asean.

Just give them 5 more years, i believe, there will be on par at least with korean.

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but maybe need more hard work and free from all control including this government. So that, PROTON will work hard in improving their quality to win in this car's industry….

Go PROTON… and leave this government.

Be Free…

We all need a car in good quality with suitable price.

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But at least we have hard core ProtonGayBoys in here to buy that second hand perdana of yours.

Afterall, they're die hard fans.

MalaysiaBoleh! haha.

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1) Honda CRV (97-99)@Msia (sold it dont use it often, but good car),

2) Perdana V6 (01-02)@Msia (accident, luckily survived, but head of the car totally damaged, airbag din deploy) , Land cruiser (01- current)(great low maintenance car! For visiting construction site), Toyota Echo (01-04)@ Aus (Good small car, great fuel consumption, sold it cos not using it often)

3) Merc Eclass (02-04)@Msia (changing for E60), Rav4(02-04)@Aus (great car, better than CRV, Sold for Gtr34)

4) BMW E60 5series (04-current)@ Msia(love the car still, AC edition), Nissan Gtr34 (04-current)@Aus(loving it everyday, Nismo), Mini Cooper (04-06)@ Aus(regretted for selling it, its a lovely great car, JCW)

5) BMW E46 3 series (06-current)@Msia (good medium sedan, M3 styled M sport), Toyota Harrier (07-09)@Msia (sold it for Murano, it suck), Myvi (07-08) (no safety, too noisy, but driving well, in fact drive better than Mini!)

6) Honda NSX (09 – current)( love it more everyday) , Murano (09-current) (great power, great comfort. Great car)

I was in Australia for the past 15 years, back and forth for work. Now age 30s. Came back 5 years ago. Since i flew back and forth between Aus and Msia, i kept cars at both different places.

Ok, i hope din bored others, this reply is for Mat. Thanks.

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December 9, 2009 @ 12:47 am

malaysian car very stupid……….tak payah la nak bangga…..8 tahun pakai all sound come out………bunyi tikus pun ader dalam bonet……all kelab kereta malaysia hanya untuk org2 yang sengkek dan tak mampu nakpakai kereta import…sayanggggg sampai tua la tak merasa “what real driving mean” sbb di perbodohkan oleh proton

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Maybe yes…. but how come my accord after 2 year used i facing with stiffness absorber with some rat sound ?. Send to Honda SC but still problem accured. So the solution i change to TIEN absorber that easy for me to adjust base my driving style…. Who said we can't used Import car ?. Pernah dengar ayat nie ?….. "Belajar rajin2, Kerja elok2 baru boleh nikmat hidup"… nie time blajar, ponteng kelas….. kerja malas, tau sharp 5.30 angkat bag cabut…… usaha tingkatkan diri tadak…. pastu salahkan orang… Ingat 1 jari tuding kesalahan pada orang, ada 4 jari lagi yang menuding balik salah kita…. fikir sendiri…… Proton tak perbodohkan kita, tapi kita memperbodohkan diri dengan kereta import….. Sampai bila nak bangga dengan kereta rebadge ?…..

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What car are u driving that justify u to say u have experience real driving???

Care to explain in layman how to drive a car (racing style) since u have the REAL DRIVING EXPERIENCE?

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Dont belittle eyesore by saying his doing his degree in UK. Maybe he is working with big company in UK.

hope u have time answering my questions. nice knowing u..

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Dont belittle eyesore by saying his doing his degree in UK. Maybe he is working with big company in UK.

hope u have time answering my questions. nice knowing u.

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So "BOY", please get ur statement right. if u dont believe me that saga sales more than 1 million units, please find out in paultan news last years. So, what is ur take????

For ur info, if there is no tax for foreign car, who are the most infected??? it is perodua, naza n inokom. why? it is because the oem(toyota, daihatsu, peugot, kia, hyundai) will not use their service anymore because it is cheaper to sale it by themselves, so stop blaming proton for that reason.

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I'm not seeing things too shallow… if you're saying the current G is corrupt, do you sincerely believe if the opposition somehow become G they going to be clean??? I doubt that, even now they themselves are rocked with moral issue, corruption, kronies etc…. And no i'm not working with G but i do have friends who r quite highly ranked in the G.

Ppl can tell stories with solid backup, but how true is it? If a lawyer can make a judge believe that a criminal is innonce with a story and a solid backup (tho it's not true story) then it is not a suprise for me….

Btw you ask about the future, the govt has opened/create the way for it. Now its up the ppl running it to make it a success…or you want the G to keep backing them up?

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Btw, i wonder wats the latest news u read about Tiger Wood. The Police suspected was the wife who did to the car, Tiger was making stories to cover it up. There are many things still unsolved by Police.

Proton is improving, no doubt on tat. We hope to see more come from Proton.

Eyesore, please dont see things so shallow. Thanks.

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