Like I said before, one fine day, you would wish that u have never dare people, challenge people here and there

I remember i told u i have both Vios and Forte, right?

I am not being defensive to the club, i am just telling the truth that i have the luxury to compare both car, daily (and you are degrading Forte without even having it). I can tell Forte is way better than Vios.

You degrade the car becoz you feel it will have low resale value based on the old spectra. Yes, ppl who owns old Korean cars might have bad experience, but man, these 2 cars are totally different. Forte is by Peter, the designer of Audi TT. Why can't you admit it that this is a change for Kia? You are the one that cannot admit to the fact, not us. You keep saying we cannot accept your comments, u r the one that cannot admit the facts.

In my life I never tot of buying a Korean car, until I met Forte, and I am happy driving it.

If Korean cars suck, then pls tell me, why is the japs car maker is so worried, and why the hyundai/kia cars become the top and make profits in US while the other suffer? Even in SG, Hyundai Avante top the list, and Forte coming at the 3rd. Coz SG dares to challenge, accept new things, open-minded, and they are way success than us who are still shouting "Boleh" in the well.

We never condemn/degrade japs car. We admit they buildt good cars, even there are so many recalls, but they are just doing it right. You are the one keep degrading Koreans car. Don't forget, the japs might have killed your ancestors in WW2, not the Koreans. We never tell u to buy Korean cars, if u don't like it, just leave here.

You are not giving reviews/comments based on justice and fairness but emotion. You just want to win in the debates. This tell you have a big character problem, maybe due to improper upbringing.

If you so dislike the Korean cars, why don't u leave us alone, go back to your T-Planet (and so do Kenny Lim) to bla bla bla, and don't be a pathetic alien in this K-planet?

Ure a real slime ball u know! I think u remember me from previous forums. I know what ure trying to do wif this III guy. Dont be so jerk la. This is only car forum. Not war zone.

III,

Let me advise you. You better calm down and think carefully before u continue this. I know this Cybermaster. From the way he fight for Toyota i know him. He used a different nickname 2 yrs ago. Dunno wht it was now. He did same thing. But that time his car was only the Vios. Now he has 2nd car. He also challenged the guy that time and finally the guy kena teruk teruk. He dont do anything bad but he make the guy say all kind of thing and make him upset then he challenge him to find out this and that. After that he make him malu on the forum.

I didnt meet this Cybermaster but my friend know him. He kenakan him then realise that he and that guy work same place. Crazy man!

We all just cool down ok! No need all tis fighting. Every ppl got love whichever car so no problem ma. No car best.

29/3/2010 at 12:26 pm

Cyber, it must be highlighted that you started the ball rooling by giving details of your alleged name, car plate number and land title.

It was an unwise move to give such details as you never know who reads all this forums and I have previously adviced against giving such details in many other forums. However, its not possible to edit previous posting at this forum hence, I did not bother telling you so and I am sure you had your own reasons for giving such details.

However, I would advice that both of you and waste tone it a litle down before things really heat up. In Malaysia, things don’t go really beyond cursing on the internet. However, in the USA, we had ppl taking guns and going to ppl house and start shooting so lets cool things down.

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Cfa,

Your comments are noted and well appreciated. Yes im aware of the dangers of such revelations. But trust me when i say that i have this under control. This is not a mere revelation of personal wealth but a means of silencing III permanently. I am well covered in this aspect and neither am i some hot headed fool who jumps into a battle before carefully calculating all possibilities and eventualities.

This has been well thought and planned. You should read Kenny's posting again. He has realised what im trying to do. But III is surely blind and ignorant to this. He is so gung ho about trying to catch me that he has failed to see the trap ahead. Let him continue his journey towards that trap. I will wait patiently.

HEHE

29/3/2010 at 11:01 am

Popularity does not reflect how great a car is. You gotta remember that not all who own cars are enthusiastic about their rides as much as we do. For me Vios is a safe and reliable choice and I understand why people would chose Vios over Forte.

For now I am still a Jap loyalist but I am interested in Forte – but then again still not convinced enough that they are up to that par of the Japanese made yet. Maybe the Sonata, Tuscon and perhaps whatever newer Kia models could change my mind.

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Exactly my way of thought as well. I too dont see the Koreans as being able to erode the general consumer confidence in Toyota / Honda but in the future should they improve i would surely consider a Korean make.

It was an unwise move to give such details as you never know who reads all this forums and I have previously adviced against giving such details in many other forums. However, its not possible to edit previous posting at this forum hence, I did not bother telling you so and I am sure you had your own reasons for giving such details.

However, I would advice that both of you and waste tone it a litle down before things really heat up. In Malaysia, things don't go really beyond cursing on the internet. However, in the USA, we had ppl taking guns and going to ppl house and start shooting so lets cool things down.

I understand wht ure saying but dont blame WhiteForteR. He is very defensive because of this forum where im bashing these Forte owners who claim this and that about their cars. They are all defensive about their car but facts cannot lie rite? I know u are just asking an innocent question but nevermind. Dont worry.

29/3/2010 at 11:13 am

and i hope that cybermaster would not be laying a trap for you

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Kenny, I admit i may have underestimated you. You are actually quite a smart guy. U can see what im trying to do with this guy. i hinted to him many times that i will SILENCE him permanently. But he thinks something else. He wont know till it happens. This type of guy thinks he is smart but he has no idea. Haha! Let him continue and then we will see at the end who is smart. But in know that u already figured out what im trying to do with this III guy. U are also smart Kenny.

you kept trying to expose this cybermaster but what about you? you are bragging how good you are and etc, why dont you expose yourself as well? i'm not sure what is your intention but honestly, it would be an offence for you expose other privacy.

and i hope that cybermaster would not be laying a trap for you. it could be an offence for you should you do it intentionally. just keep ur hot temper to yourself before it gets you into trouble.

and i'm surprised that the moderator/admin allow this kind of things to happen when others are trying to incite others to do these kind of thigns.

For now I am still a Jap loyalist but I am interested in Forte – but then again still not convinced enough that they are up to that par of the Japanese made yet. Maybe the Sonata, Tuscon and perhaps whatever newer Kia models could change my mind.

sorry to tell u that i am not the same as cyber, and honestly, i do not have the time to calculate all those calculations. i'm just a kia owner who is just fed up with the services provided by naza.

honestly, i think u should accept critism with an open heart and argue like a man, not a boy. u could already own a car and i assume that u are a grown up, so if you wan to prove your point…then prove it like a grown up not a ranting little boy trying to claim the car that you owned is better than t or h. if u care to read instead of blasting others with name callings, you would have noticed that i never said the car was bad…i only mentioned that the distributor sucks badly.

ps- tell you what? just try to make a warranty claim from the Kia sc, then tell us ur experience. change some small things or etc, how long would it takes and etc. then u will know what i meant.

cybermaster98,

some owners bought the car because that they like it and not because of the resale value. so i think the resale value is not a good point if one loves the car and does not mind the hassle. i also are in the same position as IIII, the car is still good should you maintain it well. else, why ppl still get citroen? skoda? hyundai? cherry? price might be a factor until they realise the cost of the spares while some could accept it as they have the satisfactions

For the Koreans to have the same market share in the near future (2 years) or even mid future (5 years) is simply not possible with the infrastructure both official and unofficial that is currently in place. The same goes for the French Cars (also distributed by Naza). In 10 years time, anythings possible.

Just enjoy your ride guys and keep us updated with the good and bad things about your ride.

Come on, you don't need to be so offensive. Me myself also very interested in the car and intended to get one as mentioned earlier. I am not a salesman lah….

The showroom I went was in Mentari. The test drive unit is white color. Can't remember the number plate. Go there to see for your self.

It seems this is not the right place to ask for opinoins…..

Forget about my query….

29/3/2010 at 9:08 am

We are from Forte Owner Club Malaysia.

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I think there was a Spectra Owner Club before when it was first launched rite? What happened to that club? Those members still around or they abandoned the club when the car started giving problems? Just asking.

But ill give you all the benefit of the doubt. Lets see whats the sale figures for March 2010 when it comes out? Maybe we'll see a few thousand jump in the Kia Forte sales. I hope i dont see the Vios which some ppl claim to be an ugly and useless car being at No 1 again. I also hope ppl dont use the 'mentality' excuse again.

Hehe!

I m getting all details very soon regarding on LYC within this week.

Let s wait!

26/3/2010 at 1:32 pm

since your Vios is type E, we cant compare with high spec hyundai Getz!!!

Hyundai Getz 1.4(lower spec) = RM 59,500

current resale value= RM 27000

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This is what u said first. Then after i proved your calculation wrong u changed and said this:

WaSte_BuckET says:

26/3/2010 at 4:03 pm

1.4 getz was the facelift model launched in year 2007 end in Malaysia

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So what the heck are u talking? I calculated it based on the info u gave. U wanted to use the Hyundai getz as a comparison so i followed but now u change and say u wanna use 1.6. The more u try and catch me the more ure gonna embarass yourself. How come i dont see anybody else here supporting your calculations? Where are all your supporters? HAHA

Anyway, if u can prove that Korean makes have better resale value than Toyota / Honda you will surely be headline news in The Star or NST. HAHA Stupid fellow!.

Cheers!

We doubt your comments.

We are from Forte Owner Club Malaysia. Non of the owners claim what you have mentioned. This is the first time we hear this.

If u r in the business to attract sales, will u put up a miserable showcase?

Pls mention the showroom, location, salesman attented and the photo as the proof. Or else we will take it as a malicious fake statement.

27/3/2010 at 11:46 pm

my last reply…i dare you to find 1.6 GETZ because in year 2003/04 GETZ WAS OFFICIALLY BROUGHT in 1.6 VERSION!!!!!and also 1.3!!!only end of 2007 the facelifted 1.4 model was brought in!!!dont try to act smart while being a** h**l!!!!

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Aiya u really confusing me la. First u say 1.4 and when i prove you wrong now u change and ask me to calculate for 1.6 Getz pulak. HAHA! . Make up your mind la bro.

The info i added was only for Toyota. The info for Hyundai came from u. U said 1.4 so i got you a price for 1.4. Now u change and ask for 1.6. Maybe best u just accept that you will never get a Korean car within the same category and age which has got a better overall resale value. Just accept it la bro. You're being really stupid if u think u can prove that Korean makes have better resale values even taking into account the bank interest.

26/3/2010 at 8:34 pm

yah yah…where is the proof of you so called survey of the service centres??hahaha..you just make me laugh man…you are always in a state of denial…your many bad cases doesnt not justify your claims!!!

who is trying to paint your comment in a different light?you are the one who just take one line of what i said..twisted the entire story and took it in favour of yourself!!!you are not consistent with what you say!!!check you 6 criteria for a good car..and i dont see you saying forte is good in that!!!

you are the one said you were talking based on your experience!!!how many kia owners have you met??how many service centre have told you their problem…can you please come up with more believeable stories to justify your claims??i think i had enough..people like you cannot be helped….go on..live in your own world with full of bullshit n craps!!!!service centre survey,personal information,dare,stupid bullshit stories, and bragging about yourself ,and your shallow knowledge…i just cant help ignorant people like you…no 1 can!!i shall stop here…i dont want to end up like you here!!!

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WaSte_BuckET ,

if anyone here is willing to listen, i am willing to tell…..not one SC but all the SC that i had went to. Selayang, Wangsa Maju, accessories center and even the 3rd party ones at Cheras, all are just nonsense……if u just put down your bad temper, i am willing to tell all the bad experience that i had in all their service center….latest is the glenmarie peuguet ones……the lady said that 406 is a great car with great handling (better than camry) but the service is bad…a good car is turn bad becauce of their under trained staff and low QC and QA. and what cybermaster wrote is kinda right, i think the numbers of ownership does prove something…..just talk to any workshop worker+owner, they would recommend t or h over k…..

ps-name calling is not a good thing to win an argument. i'm sure u're mature enough to understand all this especially when u're already started to work.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1356271/+1760

So far I have not heard of such case.

I was intending to get a SX but this morning's testdrive experience really let me down.

Car no..plate JPJ

Land title from land office, title search.

Coming soon……

so if you cant find one at that price shut the f**k UP and learn to be a man you little touque twisting jask ass!!!!

dont make me call names man!!!you are getting on my nerves…

you have weakness reading english,weakness reading sentences!!!you have low or zero understanding of what happening around you!!!1

YOU learn to read!!!my dare was to find a 1.6 hyundai getz at your mentioned priced!!!not what you mentioned!!!! i dare you so what i says matters!!! not what you say !!!are retarded or what???you want me to reply every single of your comments???i can do that!!!!but you are such an ass hole!!!i dont care if i am wasting my time or what…but from now onwards…i will reply all your retarded brain can think or type!!!!

AGAIN I DARE YOU TO FIND A 1.6 HYUNDAI GETZ YOU RETARDED MORON…IF I DARE YOU..WHAT I SAYS COUNT!!!NOT WHAT YOU SAY…BECAUSE I DARED YOU!!!DUMBO!!!!UNDERSTAND MORON??

Will get u very soon!

23/3/2010 at 10:20 am

most of the 45K Vios owner are kicking themselves left right and centre since Forte came along.

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I love fighting facts with real facts. So most of the 45K Vios owners are kicking themselves eh? That would mean thousands rite? So how come the Vios sales for Feb 2010 are still sky high and well above the Forte? When was the Forte launched again? Check this out:

Top 10 non-national vehicle sales for February 2010

Toyota Vios 2,349

Toyota Hilux 1,206

Nissan Grand Livina 1,013

Honda City 1,004

Toyota Camry 816

Honda Civic 634

Mitsubishi Triton 572

Naza Kia Forte 458

Nissan Sylphy 452

Toyota Avanza 437

(Note: This is based on orders received not vehicles delivered)

Cheers!

26/3/2010 at 8:36 pm

i think its time for you to ignore him..dont waste your time..because he lives in his own world!!

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GOSH! How many times have i heard this? Ignore him bla bla bla. And still u keep replying to me?? Ure a joke. Ive said it before and ill say it again. If u wanna ignore me then start it YOURSELF. Dont keep asking others to ignore me and u still go on replying.

Besides, why ignore me now when u had alot to say b4? Cuz uve lost your argument on the resale value. Ive warned u many times. Check your facts before u even attempt to catch me. Ure proud cuz ure an engineer? Do u know who i am? HAHA!

Im sure now uve learnt your lesson. Next time pick your battles lest u embarass yourself (again). Dont cover up your failures by saying 'He wont change', 'ignore him', bla bla bla. All crap cover ups for your pathetic attempts to discredit me.

Anyway, this has been a great forum. Brought some spice into my life. So lets all loosen up and enjoy. Im sure we'll meet each other on other forums. Its been great chatting with u guys and i enjoyed every moment of it. Hope there's more to come.

Cheers!