We’ve been itching to drive the Proton Satria Neo R3 Lotus Racing the moment we saw it in the metal and read through the spec sheet. From the amount of interest generated by the posts about it on this blog, we reckon that you would also want to know how a RM115,000 Proton with an upgraded Campro, trick suspension and mega brakes would drive. Well, we just attended a media test drive session of the Neo R3 at Proton’s test track and guess what, it’s a cracker!
Continue reading the report after the jump.
First, let’s get some standard Neo complaints out of the way. I’m not the tallest guy around at 1.75 m, but with helmet on, seat pushed to its lowest point and in my correct driving position, my head is too close to the roof and sun visor for comfort, and I’m looking out from the top part of the windscreen. This is a design flaw that can’t be reversed, so we’ll have to live with it. The seats and steering wheel can be more special but the reason there’s no Momo or Recaro here is because R3 wanted to put this car to market in a short period without compromising safety (for instance, changing the seats and their mounting points would have required safety testing, and the hassle won’t be worth it for a 25-unit run).
Starting the car and moving off is simple, no elephant strength required for the standard clutch, and the Neo slots through the gates cleanly; the action is a little slicker than the standard Neo CPS if memory serves right. As you’ve heard in our previous post, the Neo R3 sounds much more “fierce” than the standard car, but it’s not just exhaust rumble. As you pull away from low to mid rpm, you can hear the engine sucking in air and this hissing intake noise goes well with the deep voice of the exhaust. There are no torque dips or holes in the power delivery, although one needs to remember that this is a high-revving NA engine, not a turbo car that jumps off the line – you wouldn’t fault a Type R for feeling normal below the VTEC zone, would you?
Personally, I like the sensation of the Campro CPS’ switch over point, where the engine gains a second wind before rushing to the redline with an urgency not seen below 4,000 rpm. The feeling is intensified and prolonged here, as the Neo R3’s 145 bhp Campro redlines at 7,500 rpm. The fact that we’re running out of dial space (last figure is 8,000 rpm) at that point makes it even more fascinating. The shortened gear ratios make reaching those engine speeds an easy task that can be repeated from first to fourth (we didn’t max the car in top gear). In truth, the engine felt like it could still go on at 7,500 rpm. It won’t be too much to describe this as “Type R Lite” experience.
Besides the high speed oval with 45 degree banking, we also drove the R3 in the middle of the track, where Proton designed slalom, acceleration and braking tests. Without any official timing, we can only subjectively say that those four-pot AP Racing brakes provide enormous stopping power, and you’ll never run out of brakes in this car unless you’re being silly. The slalom run showed off the lighter headed Neo R3’s sharp turn in and good grip from the Bridgestone Adrenalin tyres, but instead of super glue like adhesion, the Proton let its tail loose a bit as it danced through the cones. Body control is excellent.
One of the major highlights of this car is the Ohlins adjustable suspension. These Dual Flow Valve items are bespoke and tuned according to R3 given specs. Proton says that it gives the Neo R3 a compliant ride even on the worst roads, and although we did not get to test that claim, we got a hint of the suspension’s real world comfort at the track. With four in the car, we went pass a rough surface with a dip in the road. No harshness, no bottoming out and no “aftershocks”.
How does DFV work? Explained simply, when the damper encounters high shaft speeds (such as when the car passes a pothole or undulations) the “second valve” opens for faster oil escape. This fast reaction gives the car optimum traction and allows for constant contact between tyre and road, so there’s reduced impact.
Trick suspension aside, no other chassis mods were required. R3 boss and top drifter Tengku Djan said that the Neo’s structural integrity was already very good, and its chassis stiff and rigid enough. Most of the 62 kg weight reduction is at the car’s front end, and the wheels shave about 2 kg of unsprung weight at each corner.
Unfortunately, we were only given a short time behind the wheel, and did not have the chance to try the ultimate Satria Neo on the road. One day, perhaps. Yes, 145 bhp is not much, and RM115K is a lot of money (quality items don’t come cheap), but the Satria Neo R3 Lotus Racing pushes all the right buttons and delivers the right sensations for the enthusiast. Some may think of those 25 owners as fools, but I’ll call them lucky fools!
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Nice car, but the steering and the gear knob stick really doesnt worth that amount. We wait for the 1st buyer to sell this car at 50% in 3 years time.
As said in the article, some compromise have to be made in terms of the steering wheel due to safety concern…what to do?
50% in 3 years…? :-) This Neo Lotus Racing will be a certainly a collectors item, you will never get the chance mate.
you are right bro..If I am rich, I will buy it..
it’s even rarer than the Lexus LF-A… only 25 in the world.
gua dah booking. dapat nanti dah puas lanyak, gua jual…
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/chinozie/000_R3_185HP.jpg
@mohgui, you want rare, go buy the Waja Chancellor la
you can buy hundreds of waja chancellor, if you got money..
but even if you have money, you can only buy 25 of these Nos.
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Definitely not a “go to pasar” car…
if i have money… i would rather buy Scarlett Johansson
if i have money… i would rather buy shares in Proton Holdings
wah bli kereta ni ade include kamera kat atas bumbung juga ya… huhu.
who the hell wanted to sell n LE car. This is a collector’s car. It’s price will become more years after years.
lol, you’re really funny, since when proton’s car can appreciate?
my fren’s satria neo hi-line , 2 years, proton salesman tell him, nobody wants the car, trade in only can get 29k, lol. Proton salesman told him nobody wants the car, when he wanna upgrade to neo CPS. lol, joker.
no you wrong, this is limited edition.. what wrong with you…
don’t compare with production line la..
for example is nissan r34 GTR = nissan r34 GTS in 10 years…? no and you know that too.
please don’t compare it with other car or the engine with other engine.
I own Gen2 CPS auto, but when i get move it easy to reach 180+KM, there is no problem with the engine.. superb i can say..
CPS is totally powerful engine produce by proton for NA car..
you talking witout ur mind or what? neo hi-line is ordinary car that available even for rent.. this is real limited la.. jz wait n see.. dont talk rubbish!!
limited or not is still not worth buying & IS STILL A PROTON !!
lmao
BULLLLLLLL
That salesman want to make extra profit. My friend’s 2007 Satria Neo M-line A/T can sell for RM32k (but he don’t want, not yet).
This Neo R3 Lotus CAN appreciate, cuz it’s limited. Your friend’s Neo depreciate cuz it’s just normal version. Supply and demand. Understand?
Tokmoh,
its just like the Trueno AE86. It appreciate higher than its original price since it was first intruduced
nope,you don’t compare toyota with proton
Neo M-line is an ordinary car, nothing special in it but this Lotus R3 are different maaaaa..Many things in it..
The Basher can’t see the different between Ordinary Neo & Lotus R3 Neo..
Because maybe most of the basher just an ordinary driver drive a standard car, maybe a standard Honda Jazz Auto, standard Honda Civic or maybe they drive a standard Kancil..
Hahahahahaha
u are totally wrong, i just sell my neo 1.6 HL with a bit modification. sell at RM 35.5k and only 3 days at **dah.com.my
now who is no body dont want this car?.. i think ur frend are using proton tiara dats y the salesman said “no body want his car”
paip r3 leh beli x kat proton center…paip leh tmbh pretasi engine sbnyk 40% klu pndi tune…klu ade jual berape harga???
50% less ? is a LE car la 50% more got la hahahahaha
Are you sure you want to own one that time then?
50% is about RM 57.5 k….. in 3 years..there are will be more new tech models wif better engine. hp and torque matching specs accessories. 1st hand with warranty some more.
with that kind of money, you will be tempted to own other new models….
u ad gampiap
have to admit tht this car is awesome. but at the same time trying to be realistic that i wont be ‘that’ rich so i must buy normal sedan at 115k. or maybe just can afford neo cps.
thats the whole idea dude :-)
yup dude. This is not a convensional car. There’s no need to buy it if ur pocket is not heavy.
hahahaha
your comment so realistic :D
thats the truth..hahahaha
Where can i get those fender ? : = )
so..u ar saying wan more ”umph” put in more horse power kan????
It takes more than just horse power to get more “umph” dude. Total balance is what is all about…
too expensive for me.
its not for u dude.. bs
so dont buy dude
A bloody overpriced car…disgusting marketing skills…
but it’s sales and fully booked.. Disgusting marketing skill dont make any sales.. :)
this is not disgusting marketing skills,this is a brilliant marketing skill….IDIOT!
u dont hv enough money dude.. jz save ur comment for urself!! this post jz for car review nor comparing prices
best sports proton to date? possibly..
Definitely one of the best our-own-effort “sports car”… Even the Satria GTi, ordinary Neo and Neo CPS is sooo good already. Aduh, memang tidur tak lena lah because of this Satria Neo R3Lotus Racing!!!
i bash proton a lot… i even own a PE as i can’t afford other makes =(
but i love the GTi and wira 1.8 sooooo much
nice car but still not worth it to your dollar and cent
I think i should agree with you… just my personal opinion, perhaps rm99,000.00 is OK for this kind of serious machine…
its not about worth or not.. its limited item..
u think this car tuned for free ka dude? just get the parts replaced then nothing to do ka? 99k will be ok for car with no tweek for tuning, and no hardware upgrade
if proton give the price of 99k..u still wont buy it rite?..just admit this car are good..hehe
99k? i still won’t buy it, i rather go for something better seriously
is just a proton
i’ll go & get 2 satrias for that kind of money..plus still got extra money for a a pack of cigarette
study the Performance Item & Tuning that they put on that Lotus R3 NEO,
then you can compare the price..
If not, please dont compare the price..
@mechanical
Looks like you’ve studied, care to share with the rest that didn’t?
Mechanical.
what car you owned….I can tune your car ecu for maximum performance for only rm500….perhap yr car is injection not carburator hahaha.
99k ? if only were mass produce then could be la but confirm its only 25unit. so admit lo lol
First (^_^)
Grow up
First from what world? lol
haha……
all i can say is. a huge rip off.
First of all nice short review there Danny. Although we would expect detailed review on the road performance. But hey, the 25 buyers must be some rich racing enthusiasts; buying this car just for track purpose and we would never get a hold of this car, so its forgiven.
Its pity some people here does not appreciate professional tuning. Yes the RM115k is rather expensive but what you get you can get is a pro-tuned car. 145bhp for a NA engine is not bad and the ohlins suspension is a sweet deal (SBK riders prefer these).
You can get a lot for the extra 50k from local tuning shop. Upgrade engine parts, add some bodykit and sport rims, leather seat, extra large GT wings that dont make sense and etc, (i dont want to go much further). But what you’re upgrading will not be covered by your insurance company and more importantly is not yet fully tested for safety and aerodynamics. Anything bad happen to your car, you’re back to step one.
And hey, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Volkswagen, Renault, Mercedes and others have their own team of professional car tuners, and they sell it at a much higher price point too.
georgie my mate, u ave got aye very good points~
I like this (ala facebook)
Too bad bashers won’t read your comments. This is the third article about the car and what’s the main issue being discussed? “Expensive price.” Like there’s nothing better for those bashers to do than to bash senselessly about Proton!
basher is born to bash not to praise. haha. even if proton make good product they will find a way to bash, because they are born to bash.hehe
btw, the price is should be ok referring to hardware upgrade and tuning that they done. and this type of car will be a collector items. do you ever heard about Proton Wira 1.8 LE? this model still have a lot of fan even the car age is already13-14 years old. what about satria gti R3? and now Neo R3 Lotus Racing. I hope somebody will only can dream to get this car at 2nd hand market.good luck.
Applause dude… u made speechless bashers…
I like your point of mind
Remove our import taxes, and I’d like you to say that again. You’d be looking at a Civic Type-R filled with more features than Lotus n Proton put together in your comparison range. Which is galaxies away. All of you have been comfortably blinded by the absurb taxes we are being drained for and that’s a fact you cannot stray from. If you could realize that a TYPE-R is actually in the same ‘real’ price range, you’d probably shoot yourself.
Just imagine now the value you’re getting from proton. Then all of a sudden, your lil cool limited edition car is of wishful thoughts of what it could have but never will be.
But in a proton-only world, I could see why people drool over this. Sadly.
Totally agree with you.
Hey, that I must agree with you.
agreed with u bro. for example honda had civic mugen RR tuned by mugen which is only 300 units over the world. the price is almost 3 times than civic fd (RM328k) but the hp is only 240++. what we can say, these things are limited. hai.. teringin nyer nak drive this neo r3 lotus.
only if u have no extra money =p
yes, mazda 3 is better dude, whatever la. why u even bother to look at this page? and hell no i wont buy mazda 3 over this. i want the real mccoy.
Superb
Hope to get the body kit from brothers soon
Poor fools !!
Its the same old Satria but on viagra !!
at least it make satria more manly…..XD
An erect Satria Neo to be exact…
LOL!!!
neo is a prefix signaling a “new” form or a revival of an old one. so its not the same old Satria bs.
Have u taken ur med dude… Old Satria?.. this is Satria neo… not Wira Neo…
Who are the 25 lucky fools then?
i am one of these lucky fools!!!!
in fact i am one of those very few lucky fools who managed to book the car!!!
gone in 3 days!!!the lucky fools really lucky!!!
congrats bro
if u ever wanna upgrade to recaro seats,can sell those napa leather to me ah? say,rm4k would be generous.fyi the tommi makinen recaros from evo6.5 values at rm5k,halfcut condition
why need to change to recaro….if then no more unique for the neo LE.
ermmm…..but if still not statisfy with your so called limited edition neo also I think good have to change also the dashboard….change to evo CN9A dashbord and also MOMO stering. ;)
Congrats dude. While many people here still arguing, it sold out in just 3 days? A big FML moment for the bashers hehehe
Wow! Now i’m sooo jealous already!
Good for you. I’m sure this car is as hot as Satria GTi on theft list. So secure your car better.
u n another 24 bashers…
Bravo! If the price lower a little bit, sure many people will buy it. Kee it up, Proton!
it must be hot cake if proton lower the price, but cant drive in sibu,sarawak…..hahahahha
all the 25 have sold already ah bro, wake up plz
proton should have priced it in the RM70-RM80k price bracket,makes much more sense…
RM115k for a proton?pffttt,c’mon…
if proton sellinng at 70-80k.. then u wouldn’t get Ohlin but GAB instead.. u wouldn’t get CF hood but just CF sticker on the hood.. u wouldn’t get those AP racing caliper but instead u get just upgraded twin pot brakes..
people who says this proton is overpriced is just because they can’t afford it..
for me i can afford to buy a 115k car.. but due to my current status married & kids, buying a two doors car just wouldn’t fit.. if not.. i for sure buys this car..
oh really ?
for me i can afford over 115k car but not for this kind of proton ride
the price is x-pensive BUT acceptable….if ur budget izz 70-80k go and buy urself a neo cps…this green-no izz for collector..izz a limited…
Its the branded item inside that makes it costly.
Dude spell it wisely… C O L L E C T O R E D I T I O N RM115k, 25 units only…
25 not 250,000… understand?? RM 70 – 80k u’ll get the paint job not the performance kit…
@McQueen who ripped you off? rm70k to 80k is absurd paint job price.. done by crownie?
damn..im owning a neo cps n now im really jealous..kudos to proton..if got money for sure i’ll buy this..
seriously we all here missing the point.. its not a car for the normal user..
just someone who has cash to spare…
agree…
Buy a normal Satria Neo CPS and modify my self better.Cause much much cheapter than 115K and no one will know whether is original R3 or modify. Buy original and some people will still think its a normal modified Satria Neo. Tell uncle or aunty that it cost RM115K and they will lough
do it yourself?
you’ll end up with a car whose performance not even close to this…
without warranty….
less whatever value you have spent.
plus, the cost will be higher from original. and overall performance including safety will be questionable.haha. its useless to talk about technology with people that no nothing about technology, engineering, safety standard, crash test. they only know, ah beng shop can make car faster than ferrari. but they forgot ah beng don’t even know what is TS16909 mean. this kind of people never heard about TRD, Nismo, Mugen, Brabus etc. so, he think ahbeng tuned car and tuner tuned car is the same.
hahahaha. I like this (ala fb)
Dont waste your time lah bro. Kalau tanya Catia tuh apa pon dia tak pernah dengar. Apa lagi TS.
dont say catia, maybe solid work also he didnt know…. hehehe BTW i also have a satria neo, its great car… and for ur info the cps is not easy to tune to that level, i know la…
Bro, is this engine something to do with CPS+??
:-D Mike, you will end up making repeated trips your “kedai potong” daa :-). Uncle & Aunty related to the “Kedai Abang” will openly welcome you to their premises..im sure
i’ll give u RM1k if you can make your DIY neo r3 lotus with the same quality & performance…
“Buy a normal Satria Neo CPS and modify my self better”??
aiyoh bro,if u modify urself better R3 n lotus can tutup kedai aledi…
better yet lotus can pull out of f1 already
if u say “if modify urself more satisfiying” then i understand coz me also got pimped waja ^^
it’s a great car with limited production….parts will be expensive.
So dont crash ur car la dude… i wonder why u r worry with part? how frequent u crash ur car?????
aduh bro,he says parts doesn’t only mean the exterior,he also means the engine.The production limited = parts also limited = expensive.
I still think the best car produced by Proton was the old Satria GTI. I don’t think even this beats it.
i’ve own a GTI before, and i just can say to u.. this is more promising..
i actually think its quite worth it 0-100km/h in 9 secs why not, what other cars u can get with this price and power. however i have to agree that the interior is a big turn off
I can’t stand the cabin’s pastel green colour scheme
green is the new black la bro ^^
i think the closest car with that price but less power can achieve more or less the same time for the 0-100km/h sprint is the Honda Jazz GE8 Manual.
my 13yr wira can do 0-100 in less than 8 sec no problem at all.. you monkeys in 9…. eat shit also tak sempat. my Ninja is even faster…. less than 5 sec
145bhp of this campro cps is really meager compared to other older engines like 172bhp 4G92 MIVEC. But maybe really this Satria Neo R3 Lotus Racing isn’t about power but Lotus Racing brand and handling. But RM115K for this hatch is really overpriced I think.
-enjin campro lebih ringan dari mivec – so better handling, reduce understeer.
-kalau sound lagi sedap mivec/vtec of course – whatever muffler you have, campro is still campro.
-aku nak tengok campro LR ni blah 100-200kmh camane, sebab dah improve rev, adakah lebih kurang cam cps biasa atau lagi kick.
TOLONGLAH pada owner neo LR ni upload test 0-200kmh kat utube. thanks. sebab handling dah tentu sedap so takyah duk cara lah hal tu.
Dude,
4G92 is made for what emission standard? 1990’s? That’s 2 century’s ago
I bet if mitsubishi is to make 4G92 at today’s emission standard it would be also hard for them to make it to 125hp.
And the Campro CPS in this is tuned to what emissions standard I must ask?
Since you brought that up….
Definitely doesn’t pass!
I thought they meet Euro 4? or they throw away the nenas? I heard without the emmision some idiot already get 180-200 range, but with bolt on turbo it goes up to 240.
if i not mistaken, the past neo r3 meet euro2 standard(based on campro engine). it already been advertised long ago in r3 website(now dah tutup),they already show gen2 r3, waja mme n gen2 mme. they also stated the exhaust also meet the sound regulation(i dunno what,but seems like jpj kot). still can sell in asia but not europe. Dunno about this cps, but i think it shud past euro 2 atleast because standard cps is euro4.
damn it sounds good!!!
its 2nd hand neo R3 for me…115k is juz too much
Better buy IMPUL buy Nissan.
very good indeed,
this engine will provide a further flexibility on the highway as well if 6 speed is being used.
close ratio + overdrive.
maybe 2011 there are whole more lot of interesting specs will come about.
because there are such and such,,
if wanna play at highway go buy high cc car la dude..pfffth
To be honest,its performance is below par compared to the mainstream civic,its century sprint of 9.2 second was a tad slow,the previous gti or wira 1.8twin cam can eat it for breakfast!!!! how could lotus allow their name being used for such a mediocre project? and the exhaust system sounds so ah beng!!!! u will not win any traffic light drag,well u still get people to stare at u,not becos of the car,but becos how stupid is the owner to spend rm 115 k for such a slow hatch,it cant be categorized as a hot hatch,and not even a warm hatch,a suzuki swift sport is definitely faster,again proton and their huha lotus thing but still they produce rubbish cars!!!!!!!!!
????????????????????????????
what r u talking about? comparing 1.8 and 1.6 car?? better u compare with ferrari…
Why would it be wrong to compare an older generation Satria with a current one now? It is still in the same category. Ferrari isnt. A newer gen is always suppose to out-do its previous gen what more a pro-tuned car like this. It shows how far proton’s vision is. Although I give them props for the efforts.
dey tambhi! the previous satria is 1.8 CC!! Neo is 1.6 CC!! cant u see the different? U fail math ke? even my son can see the different
dun talk bout cc la..even 4age 1.6 twin cam can beat perdana v6 2.0..performance engine is different..
we talking bout satria..proton production..not modified version. if this neo if considered a performance car..it should be able to smoke the gti..not to become same level as gti but the price can buy almost 2 gti..zzz
how about comparing the 1.6 to my 1.5 wira…. smoke your monkey ass all around.. 9 sec to century mark.. PFFFFFFTTTTT…
u wanna go play traffic drag go buy turbo charged cars la dude
this car meant for bends n tracks la. another pfffth
do you say ‘tracks’.. you think rent the track for only your car?? take the neo to a open track day in SIC, then count how many kg of dust you eat… pfffftttttt
Then bring swift sport and test with this car…notice or not danny said this car is not for traffic light drag race….please read la brother…u owned GTi or wira 1.8 twincam is it?then i think u might asked danny to change his review about this car..huhuh…maybe danny is a newbie in this motoring world and havent test many cars before….huhuhu
it will smoke a suzuki swift sport in drag race la brader….
don’t be too sure
u compared 1.6 engine with 1.8 engine for what?why not compare with ferrari engine?more better
now that its been seen outside really f*cking ugly = fugly car & damn expensive.
looks like d outside been done by those abeng shop, may b its fast but fugly looks.
feel sad for those who bought d car, with that money can get a much much better car.
Name me racing spec car with that price tag… include all feature dude… from brakes to seat… match em all.. then u put in the comparison…
R u saying u r going to convert ur Viva into one of this machine??? Boleh laa in your dream… try to catch up with this machine on the track… ada berani bawak la try kat sepang…
If they bloody remove the obscene duties/taxes on the Civic Type-R, its price will be much closer to this supposedly “Collectors Edition” Neo R3 Lotus Racing pretender… fine Ohlins suspension, AP racing brakes are niceties….
but I’ll take the Type-R engine & gearbox anytime!!!…. And the Type R is way better to describe as “racing spec” car compared to this Neo…. 0-100 in9.0sec is warm (or cold?) hatch class…. the Type R will do in sub 6.0sec…. okay the CBU Civic price is RM194k… but then again we’re not talking about affordability here…. Remove the stupid import taxes on the Civic and the gap could be “only” 30k or so for a better car for the race track…. the engine alone is an engineering masterpiece… that is not me saying but it’s almost everyone who’s driven it including paul tan…
itu lah, baru buat kereta dengan component mahal sikit dah gah… susah la ini macam…
ko tolong bukak kedai performance parts yang jual dgn harga yang murah bole?
Agreed. Nuff said.
first, the taxes won’t go away,just live with it.
second, the 194k civic is 2.0L,dun compare to this plz
third, i won’t believe the typeR can do 0-100 in sub 6sec.plz bring any typeR owner n prove ur statement
fourth, the 0-100 is the measurement whether the car is a “performance car”??
any wira 1.8 turbo can do it in sub 6 sec.would u call those wiras “performance car”??
if u ask me “why u compare na n turbo car,no fair” well,u compare 1.6 n 2.0 fair??
again…comparing proton with honda..type-r lak tuh. haihh…
ok wat compare this car with type R….Lotus tuned compare to honda.
for momo,
Im one of the owner of turbo wiras…for me my car is performance car or what we call tuned car hahaha….300hp, recaro seat, tien HA suspension, fully remap ecu, anti lag system, launch control, MOMO stering, Enkei rim, high performance bridgtestone tyre,…hoho too many to be listed….what do yo think…stil consider a normal car or what.
Only foolish people will call others who enjoy such car buyer a fool. If you’re that smart, why don’t you build a car, fools…
Wah! Proton Satria Neo Lotus Specs at RM115k, with that price I’d better get a Mitsubishi Lancer, Honda or Toyota. Because when drive a proton in M’sia no matter how good the specs are, still…..it’s a Proton..
hihi…25 ‘lackey’ fools who bought this overpriced car….pity them….
Here comes all the bashers again.
People who cannot understand between have money and have a lot of money.
Sure, if I have money, i’ll go for N/M/T or etc.
But if I have a lot of money, why not? If is a fun car. Afterall, you cannot bring all your money into your grave. Better spent it.
Agree! I dont think those bashers understand what is “limited & Exclusive” means!
Stupid..they are just trying fooling pepole with the “Limited Supply” by priced at rm115k…which is really absurdly overpriced..shame on u p1…disgusting and condemnable markerting trick..wtf…
stupid. ko ingat proton untung besar ke jual 25 biji dgn harga RM115k? it is just for enthusiast la ngeng.
so..those ferraris, those LFAs, those McLarens and others limited edition cars are just ur so-called “disgusting and condemnable marketing trick”??
they aren’t looking for quantity but quality by limiting such cars, and that’s a great thing
drooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool…..b the way paul,the car also available in white right!!,do you have the picture of the white lotus/r3 satria neo?
cool ! :-) nice write ups, pics & video…Danny & Harvinder.
best thing to do with RM115k is
1) buy a Neo baseline = rm45k
2) changebodykit = rm2k
3) swap or bolt on turbo = rm4k
4) change suspension, brakes, bla3 = rm3k
5) change tyre n rims =rm2k
6)Lotus Paint job =rm2k
add up all..= RM58k…well thats just ruff idea…want more? just spend abit more..
all under RM 60K….=D
What u all think??..
Where u gonna get AP racing big brakes and ohlins multivalve adjustable suspension for 3k i wonder :P
Unfortunately Paul…
Some people think they know everything about everything…
stealing lah bro… wut u expect then?… laughing out loud..
opss.. typo izzitn’t? 30k should be..
kohkohkohkohkoh…good response Paul! bravo!!
agree with u paul…even the brake pad alone is expensive…
In his dream paul, …
This guy represent Malaysian majority ideas…
What matter the most for him is the looks (lotus paint job) & the sound (bolt on turbo), he just miss out important thins such as performance (new extractor) and most importantly safety (the brakes). I wonder his LOTUS looks self made car can stop in time before he ended up in ditch or divider…
Good Luck AMir – Nice try but not enough dude
maybe got supplier in china hahhahha
It’s still under rm115k rite? So we have confirmed that rm115k is overcharged.. well, maybe that lotus sticker cost u 40k but it gives u 2hp moar.. RAWR!
Amir…..why need to buy Neo….just buy Viva and paint Lotus Green and you get Viva Lotus…..darn you become 1st lucky man to have the VIVA LOTUS…lol
Hahaha…. Good idea with all the upgrade….but can u do it for me
the brake system is worth more than 5k..maybe 10k i dunno..the suspension is definitely worth more than 10k..
good rim and tyre under 2k?
good racing brakes under 3k?
good bodykit for less?
crash it… there’s mastercard… (coz insurance sure wont car for ur fancy car work)
4) change suspension, brakes, bla3 = rm3k (cap ayam one?)
i’ll give the money and u do it for me?can?which bloody fool performance shop did you go?ohlins suspension n AP racing brakes for RM3k?i already change my adjustable suspension and it already cost me RM4k,it is not Ohlins part!!..i’ll give you RM3k then you buy Ohlins suspension and AP racing brake and i’ll install it in your PUNY brain to think more better and effiency…Bloody fool,you want to make fool with “newbies” can lah..rubbish
Bro Amir…u kampong mari ka?
you used what car actually….wira converted lancer? or iswara converted to what the hell mitsu…this car 115k with full warranty by proton u know….can insured by insuran also..
stupid convert neo to amir
3) swap or bolt on turbo = rm4k ( confirm buy at kedai potong )
4) change suspension, brakes, bla3 = rm3k ( confirm buy at kedai potong )
5) change tyre n rims =rm2k ( 2nd rim and tyres )
Come on la,where on earth can you get AP racing brakes and OHLIN adjustable suspension for 3k??THINK before u bash..tyre and rim for 2k??think what?cap ayam tyre ka??
some people just dont know between handling and drag..
all they care is “hey, this car is slow~ wtf! 9sec? my wira evo engine can beat that!”.
try bringing your so-called fast car to Sepang or other track and challenge this Neo Lotus. after 20~30 laps, we’ll see who is leading.
also, this is for rich bastards, not for us average commoners. 25 limited edition units la. not 250,000 units for god sake.
I dont think your rich bastard will consider this car becos if they can afford it they will buy Golf GTI (if money is no object). But if you put in a turbo and boost the performance and even cost 20K more then it is more tempting as a boy toy.
Waiting for the “R” version, Ha ha ha.
all the buyers wont use this as their first car la. simple. must have already owned many dream cars. and he ll say, hmm satria neo lotus LE? why not?
thats too simple to think la bro.sad for your mentality.
I agree with this guy above. Bring your 5 year old Wira and 10 year old MIVEC (up-to-date technology) to Sepang. I can bet you by the time you finish 3 laps either:
Your MIVEC blows
Your oil tubes and other engine related stuff burst
or
you’ll be lapped by Turn 3, Lap 2.
Remember what Lenin said: “Power is nothing without control”
but how if neo+mivec+ohlins adj+ap brake-weight? hehehehe
Man…
U r rite… 25 units – collector items… not commoners items… understand????
Still, there are rm115k cars out there that I presume would beat this neo.. (of coz stock wira kenot la, logic muh)
are you sure with your statement that wira turbo will loose with this neo at sepang. U think turbo wira owner only upgrade the engine but not the suspension, ecu mapping, for tuned turbo cars usualy the car ecu and handling will prepared acordingly either for street performance, drag or circuit and we can change the setting bettween each anytime with some tuning.
I think you dont have any experience with any tuned car so please dont talk.
memang bagus satria ni…pasti digilai ramai…tp bumper depan cun la…proton ade jual ke?
…kalo bumper depan ni pasang kat persona..baru cun…hehe
It comes with the car la dude… u wanna one? wait until kedai abang copy cat version la
If this neo R3 lotus is offer in UK also the UK proton fan will not buy this car coz it too expensive. RM115k = GBD23k they can get better and faster car with this price.
I totally agree. with GBD23k to spare i’m pretty sure the brit will opt for better car such as the Ford Focus 2.5 ST 3 door.
0-100 in 6.8s
top speed 240km/h
225bhp
only GBP 19k++
But this is Lotus. Unlike Malaysian, they do support their product.
pls go to www.protonownerclub.co.uk and read what they comments about this car.
nice satria car.
why not u bashers belasah all those tuners like M division of BMW, AMG for Merc, abt for audi & vw by tuning the car & jack up the price astronomically…
i know you wont because it’s bmw, merc & audi…
if it’s proton, you’ll bash like nobody business…
what a bloody moron…
totally agreed! the’re are born to be moron!so not wonder y.
if u can own one, then talk la…
would be nicer if the dashboard color combination of green + black, rather than grey.
haha.please differentiate between a true racing car and your ‘fast’ highway car..it’s totally different!! this is a veru cool effort by proton (although i don’t like their way of bragging with LOTUS brand)
hold on, i can’t seem to make sense of this “tiny” part…
does it really NEED 4-pot brakes?
On the track you can brake later and it can stay fade free for much longer than our regular brakes. This is clearly a track machine.
rather take those money to buy mazda 3, civic or altis, although in other country those car not so expensive, rather buy japan car, is not fair make Proton become top sales with such low price range,still want to compare with others car
when will the AFTA starts !!
it’s about handling. not the 0-100 kph drag. no point of having a car below 10secs in acceleration time, but it can’t even take a corner properly. unless of course, the definition and enjoyment of driving a car to such individual, is to drive it fast on a straight piece of road, to nowhere in general, coz you wouldn’t want to take any corners with your ride. that’s sad!
agreed
With the engine redlined everytime
i wonder if it can withstand this kinda hard revving condition.
Good/ Worth the 115K if P1 is offering the same 100k / 3 years
or extended 5 year warranty.
good job proton… gambate!!!
i will put my money on Suzuki Swift Sports.
u cannot compare the SSS with this Lotus Racing Neo… kesian SSS tu… jatuh maruah dia…
the Swift is strong JWRC contender… albeit in full rally spec (Swift Super 1600) which is EURO120,000…
see here:
http://www.suzukisport-europe.com/sales/index.html
f u think satri gti is better or on par with this car, think again,this is the video. check the timing 0-100 n 0-180kmh. stock gen2 cps vs suzuki swift sport vs satria 1.8 gti.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gdVmxNOD0
gen2 cps 0-180kmh
and this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR83w51teiE&feature=related
suzuki swift sport 0-200kmh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqn6uSkKgaY&feature=related
satria gti
how is it?
even gen2 cps weight around 1245kg power of 125hp 150nm can match the swift n gti,so do u think ur old gti can match this car??
ni previous article. tengok neo menang lwn sume kete2 yg malaysia agongkan
http://paultan.org/2008/08/21/team-proton-axle-set-to-win-asian-touring-car-1500max-series-drivers-championship/
so apa hebat sangat sss tuh :-)
ni previous article. tengok neo menang lwn sume kete2 yg malaysia agongkan
http://paultan.org/2008/08/21/team-proton-axle-set-to-win-asian-touring-car-1500max-series-drivers-championship/
this car is about 0-100-0.
not about 0-100.
0-100 anycar can make it with power.
how about with a Ninja ZX6R… 0-100-0 then 0-200-0 no problem at all plus the bike only cost around 60k… i think with 10 sat.neo also cannot keep up
It’s the passion la… If you want practicality, roominess, power, value for money, blah, blah, blah…, no need to comment/bash. Different stroke for different folks.
To me this is a really good effort by Proton. Their initial quality is improving (miniscule but noticeable), but their most of their SC’s and aftersales still suck.
Being unable to afford this, i’ll stick with the Neo CPS as the naughty car.
if wan buy this car for track..can it beat the 4g92mivec?4age?…i dun think so…not even properly tuned gti..
u forgot ka? m’sia is a bunch show-off… its never about winning… it’s about i got more money than u, i can afford Lotus Racing Neo, never mind if I’m slower around the track, but i do it in STYLEEEEEEE…. ahahahhahahahahahah… stylo tuh….
it is that pathetic….
true2..agree with u..hope to see a normal neo converted to this r3..only the looks la..then they can say its lotus version…still in style..
i think proton should stop thinking about performance..they should concentrate more on the design..the outside looks so garang..but the dashboard..prefer 1st gen satria dashboard than this..
i wonder how long this car can be on the road?
i bet from the 25units only few of them will be survived.
the rest will be RIP….too many penyamun out there….sigh…
Have you seen it with your own eyes? Stop counting the chickens even before they were hatched, even Tengku Djan said, power ain’t everything!!!
PATHETIC.
what happened to Satria GTi? how many of the standard satria using original GTi bodykit? where did they get them? How many GTi left nowadays? Even its more than 10 yrs edi, the car is still hot and chosen by the thieves..
What about GTi R3? How many of the standard satria using R3 spoiler, seats, rims…How many R3 left nowadays?
damn all the thieves….
paul….does any1 of the testers manage to test the sprint? cutious bout dat :D
Go go Proton.. Hope it will success
i wonder when we will see a wira lotus racing edition on the road…hmm
it said that it’s a limited production item.no matter how cheap it is,it’s still only 25 units available.it’s not like it’s a mass-produced item.it’s more of a enthusiast or collector’s item.buying a neo cps n convert to this is wat ah beng will do.get real~who cares abt what others think??as long as we feel good driving it,it’s enough.it’s the satisfaction!!
i don’t think 115k is overpriced, in fact it could even be UNDERPRICED, depending on how you look at it.
i think even at 115k price tag proton still don’t make any profit out of this project and it could also turn out that they never intend to.
maybe they other agendas or business strategy for doing so, which all of us here can only speculates. take volkswagen making the bugati veyron for example, they didn’t do it for money, they pused the technology to the limit, expand the envelop, and gain the upper hand in R&D compared to other makers.
the total money proton had spent to come up with this car could be much higher than the selling price considering the following: (which you won’t get your favorite local shop)
– cost for R&D of the engine/car upgrades, tuning, testing
– cost for design & manufacture all of the carbon fibre parts
– cost for sourcing for the new parts and processes
– cost for revised testing and inspection standards
an extra 50k per-unit may or may not guarantee you can recover all of these incurred costs when you introduce something new and so limited like this neo into your product line.
just my 2 cent.
buy la ur impu, or you ‘nismo’ sentraor your ‘trd’ vios… fools or not, they have the money to throw on that car… you? have stupid comments to throw to that car… which then no one will even listen to you… 115 too much? you can get better car? go ahead… get your better car.. this is for racing enthusiasist, not T,M,H,N enthusiasist… stupid basher… ur uncle will laugh at you, drive them to genting or bukit putus… let see if they can still laugh
strongly agree with u, its only 25 unit mate! just compare the price between civic 2.0 with type R almost 70k different but people still bought FD2R, I nak beli Passat #R36 pun boleh koyak poket… but can’t wait this proton neo in OZ
how about things like throttle response? rev free or rev reluctant engine?
i assume shortened drive ratios means lower top speed ??
was it a noisy drive as those other heavily modified cars ? as in can it be used as an everyday car ?
We did not try out the top speed. While it’s louder than the standard Neo, I could live with it as a daily ride. As mentioned, engine is free revving, but don’t expect it to jump off the line from low revs
some people just don’t understand what automotive engineering means!
automotive engineering malaysian style memang susah nak paham…
for some malaysian here, automotive engineering is the same level as ahbeng workshop job…
then why ahbeng didnt produce car n put it into production??
same level konon..
come on! it’s an F1 team mark it carries! n with that tune-ups, it’s a steal!
sigh…still so many ppl dont understand the value of this car. U pay 115k for a full package! engine power, suspension, brakes and the most valuable…settings and tunings by professionals! For those who dont know, ap brakes system easily cost 20k per set, same goes to Ohlins suspension! Take the JOHN COOPER WORKS MINI compare to the normal mini u will have a clearer picture.
quadThe big difference between a JOHN COOPER WORKS MINI compare to the normal mini is the engine, the John Cooper is a ‘super charged’ while the normal Mini is a NA engine. Not quite the same anology but close…
cfa
The normal Cooper S is Turbocharged!!! Check your facts first!!!!!
Mini Cooper is produced is more or less 3 variants
Mini Cooper (NA engine – This is a normal Mini Cooper)
Mini Cooper S
Mini Cooper S Works
If you are comparing between the Mini Cooper S and Mini Cooper S Works, yes but please read the first positing carefully… Quad specifically mentioned NORMAL Mini
Oops, during my time it was super charged, yes, its Turbo now. My mistake. Anyway, the engine between the Normal Mini and the Cooper is still different and not just enhanced in this instance…
shit! do i really have to mention u must compare the JCW with a regular cooperS?! ofcourse la must compare to cooperS…. thats my point there, compare to coopers u still have to pay the xtra bout 50k to get the JCW COMPLETE CAR! btw when we talking bout performance car dont even mention the MINI ONE!
http://www.bigbrakes4u.co.uk/racing-kits-p-477.html
Is this the same AP brakes used in thi neo lotus r3 edition??
http://www.bigbrakes4u.co.uk/racing-kits-p-477.html
Is this the same AP brakes used in this neo lotus r3 edition??
like gorgie says…
115k with r3 tuning….
so it kinda worth of it…
but…
in my opinion…
115 k…
with just NA tuning…
its not worth of it…
unless some extreme makeover..
such as built in turbo with r3 tuning…etc..
thats much better…
instead of…
it’s still Proton dude..
too young in automobile industries….
still the car not good enough like honda,toyota,etc…
but its price as high as them…
too xpensive…
huu..
Let say when Mercedes offer their F1Mercedes GP limited edition C Class, how much does it cost? the price tag should be more higher than usual C Class, and the lavish “orang kaya” will buy it because of the limitedness of the C Class.
anyway…
dont call the will be owner of this car as a fool…
we make people afraid to buy it….
p/s:this car is awesome…if only the price lower…
What you meant by ‘make people afraid to buy it’?
25 units already sold out laaa…:)
Collectors F1 item the cars are…
like PAUL said:
Yes, 145 bhp is not much, and RM115K is a lot of money (quality items don’t come cheap), but the Satria Neo R3 Lotus Racing pushes all the right buttons and delivers the right sensations for the enthusiast. Some may think of those 25 owners as fools, but I’ll call them lucky fools!..
Why PAUL said like that, because he already feel & try the car & Basher dont..
The Bashers just dont read PAUL statement..
Read & make some study then Bashing..
@mechanical I tell u dis in secret a.. u dun tell anyone else k….
*whisperstart, “A good reviewer must emphasis the pros with loud speaker and whisper or write it in small letters when it comes to cons. Otherwise, dun even dream of the manufacturer give u anymore invites to test drives or etc. Unless you’re Jeremy Clarkson.” *whisperend
Indeed, the Satria is good when it comes to handling since it’s tuned by lotus muh. But what I am annoyed is that they did such a half bake job of creating this LE Neo. That really so tiny 145bhp is really annoying. I don’t think it’ll really cost that much to dump in the turbo (u know they r developing campro turbos rite?). With that, I agree with u, rm115k price justified.
Apa barang T,N,H compare to Lotus tuning.
agree..those TRD vios is the real rip off!
takde barang langsung…harap harge je lebey…barang tarak!!!..
And Rosyam Nor is one of the first 11 buyers.
this car will make the owner tdo x lena..why? because some of old satria r3 owner experienced that their cf part being stolen.in fact got one satria r3 interior being strip down from seats,to gear knob and carpet plus door panel!
you are soooo smart! give yourslef a clap.
Pencuri/penjenayah itu memang lah sangat kejam!!! But dont worry, Tuhan Maha Adil. Berbuatlah baik kepada manusia, flora, fauna dan juga kereta.
you stupids.
the peoples who can afford this not park this car like you park. they have their own park house. some might not even drive it after 3,4 month.. then use it only twice per year perhaps.
and when they go to outside, they not park this car just like you park at normal parking. At hotel maybe vvip park, at mall, vip park bla bla bla.
anyway, this is maybe their 5th car or more.
it’s a people like you those fool
There’ll be 25 units of those. However, I think we’ll see more! Where can I get that paint job? I’ll convert my Kancil to Lotus Racing, hehehe.
wondering are all those bashers are malaysian?comments are meant to be constructive,yet come will the will to support our own industry.then only we will be parallel with the japanese etc.
better sell your IC’s to PATI .. and start funding your green card.US people surely welcome you bashers.
hahaha guys2…i just gave the idea for those who are saying this neo lotus is expensive blah3…..i will not gona do those jobs…
Whatever this car can throw, still the 1st Lotus paintjob was beaten by Rimba Paintshop’s Lotus Yammy LC3.
Rimba Paintshop 1 – PROTON R3 – 0
if wanna get sponsorship need to rub someone’s back mah
last time when watching fifth gear at discovery turbo, tiff needle comparing swift sport with normal mini cooper 1.6l (not the S specs), anyway both are NA but he did mention that swift sport is much more power and more lighter than the mini. in straight swift excel but in corner mini excel. due to racing circuit is not the typical 400m drag circuit (where most of the forummers here only know talking about power only), swift sport that has advantages in term of power-to-wight ratio loss to mini (not the S specs). the lesson is, in drag race, better power-to-weight ratio car will win but in real racing circuit better handing car will win (or course still need powerful engine but it is not the one and only factor to win).
anyway i prefer A1GP, F1, Merdeka Endurance, WRC, drifting etc BUT feel soooooo boring watching drag race. looking car taking and overtaking others at corner is more fun looking at car that only excel at stright but big fail at cornering.
for your info the fastest car in the world look like rocket which is use to break land speed record but i hate this car because the front wheel is damn soo small and i bet it will look like a 3 years old kid cornering with his tricycle when taking corner.
conclusion, performance car with real racing track with better handing will win. i still remember webber complaining about lotus F1 aerodynamic instead the power of the car!
I like how the bodoh bashers say that 115k is too expensive and say with the extra price tag they can go modify the car themselves. Weh bodoh bashers if you modify at some ah chong place your car 2nd hand value lagi no one want to buy.. cause ur not a professional tuner. You are bodoh basher tuner… lagi your car depreciate in value. This you get professional tuning which people appreciate & the car sure can hold its value.
Bashers grow up. You dare come meet me at sepang track head to head.
hahaha…STRONGLY AGREE…~^-^~
if this is the import brand car…and as per our gov 100% tax …this little thing could be priced around RM230K…….for that price u do get a FD2R (225hp K20-has won previous 1.8-2.0 world engine of the year) and u do get extra rm30k to mod that FD2R…
err…i know that what i’m talking about is out of topic and ‘what is the point?’
my point is..for actual money/how do others car manufacturer measure the price of the car,for RM100k u do get the FD2R….
…for this car…from my view…what is so special about it?..the car only equipped with aftermarket part..where i bet at anytime u can get it from sunway area..
yeah you were right.. go get it…
another a stupid basher,FYI,this is a LIMITED EDITION CAR with a EXPENSIVE PARTS and also PROFESSIONAL TUNING not AH BENG TUNING!!go and buy your FD2R and meet me at sepang circuit,i’ll only drive my standart GEN2 and we’ll can see who’s winning after 6 round…last thing,you buy the parts at Sunway,are you sure it is an original one?
lol..u want to race fd2r with gen2??of course la fd2r..wat a joke..open ur eyes pls..
u can get them from sunway.yes easily. but they arent the same. these are revised=retuned. what u pay mainly is for the ENGINEERING. and its not cheap, mind u.
RM100K++ for only 145hp? Better buy honda hybrid. Even old mivec engine can beat this car……but anyways cheer for proton coz can produce it own racing spec car. Salute!
do’h.. still comparing with the hp alone..
not bad what 145hp for 1.6 engine? Even honda 3 stage VTEC D15B engine produce 130ps and redlining at a high 7200rpm.
Really worth for the extra goodies.
However, the price of the plain Neo itself can be lower if there is nohigh tax pricing in Malaysia. :)
yeah..not bad..for a normal car..but bad for a performance car..should at least 160hp to match its 1.6cc..
nice!!…gd job proton
Give credit where credit is due. They did a good job and it’s something not many other manufacturers can do these days!
dun mess wif proton..proton got full government support (means $$ unlimited)..dis limited model mayb is just wan 2 test the market only..we still dunno the progress of their new turbo engine. and mayb the outcomes rily shock u guys..
P/S : dun bash me or scold me ya??
where got fact that $$ unlimited?
You try do business with Proton first then talk about how easy that money can get…
I have experience with Proton, so, money issue is same with other business entity…
i spend a lot for my iswara just get the suspension setting work well for both straight road and bend with steel NGV tank gas at the back…after many tries…finally found the appropriate .. not adjustable ,but mix and match…adjustable too damn hard…for my liking..
for 115K…with the spec…more than worth it…
hop around for wira 1.8 LE and first generation 1.8 satria GTI…how much it worth now …if compared to normal wira 1.8 and satria…
bro..apa setting kasi masuk bro pnya iswara? kasi share la sama..kita 1 kaum maa..hehe..
the car look great from exterior and then when u look at the dashboard with those cheap plastic material…… straight away u loose appetite……..zzz
if evora is this price, i will buy the evora instead period.
but it wont…
From your word then does it mean you will choose evora instead of this LE neo if both is same price.
hahaha you hypocrite. all who said this LE neo is worth for value are totally hypocrite.
kah kah kah.. u wish la bro..
Buy exige la… RM 180K…
good job proton..
i would like to c this car on others country lane road!!
Love the ohlins and ap racing to be in my car… other then that not worth it. for 115k, rather get a honda civic or mitsubishi lancer or honda dc5 yr 2003.
yeah yeah we get it, this car is overpriced, you can spend less money and still get similar performance.
try selling your self modded neo 3 years from now, how much would you get for it? just so you know, a modded 2nd hand car won’t fetch a good price. hell, even banks don’t want to take the risk and finance a 2nd hand modded car.
oh, and good luck trying to insure your “self modded” neo. your insurance company covers all the performance/aftermarket parts in your modded car?
The engine seems promising..
Its fast.. but seriously..
IS IT SAFE?
i’ll say it again… Bugatti Veyron and F1 cars also using AP Racing brake systems. Neo R3 Lotus Racing maybe use different setup, but much more trustworthy than Toyota brake pedals
agree….!!!
Even your head close to the roof, lot of OZ mate bought Neo and then converted into Neo GTi, as there are lots of Satria enthusiast in OZ, hope proton will bring this special edition Lotus neo to OZ, sell it 50 unit limited edition..
that’s their initial plan.
25 unit for local (malaysian) market, then make some for exports too.
It is worth the price… period. By the way, the suspensions and brakes among other things are designed specifically for the car (not off the shelf item) and the development cost is absorbed into the pricetag. And theres a whole lot more upgrades and tuning that has been done other than those that you can see. Plus the exclusivity factor… its worth every penny for those who can appreciate the value of engineering and the theme it carries. For the ignorant types who only talk about price and compare horepower numbers… well too bad for them. Get your recond Dc5 or whatever.
This is not a car for those who need one, but for those who want one. If your concerns are only about the pricetag, then the car is not for you… By the way, for 115K indeed you can get a honda civic or a Lancer (which by the way are everyday passenger cars bozo!)… but not the civic type-R or the Evo… (hahahaha! ignorant) You need another 100K for the type-R and another 200K for the Evo. And if you say driving a passenger car like a normal civic or the normal lancer gives you as much fun compared to this, then we know what kind of driver you are! Hahaha…
“And if you say driving a passenger car like a normal civic or the normal lancer gives you as much fun compared to this, then we know what kind of driver you are! Hahaha…”
last statement of you, i likeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..hehehehehe
Normal average income ppl… that work to get paid monthly?
Means: No extra cash about Rm115k?
Please… don’t said dc5.. fun to drive but just for a while.. then got bored easily..
115k for a proton?
idiots.. nuff said..
No wonder your life is in the slow lane…
Oh… i forgot… for those who complain about the horsepower numbers, find a legal road car with 1.6 l NA engine that produce the same digits. 145bhp (on a 1.6 NA) dude… thats not bad at all!
Road legal 1.6 civic VTEC’s and 1.6 colt MIVEC’s have been running around for nearly 20 years with more than 170bhp. Those are also NA engine and those use variable cam timing, just like the CPS system in the CAMPRO.
As for the brakes, a brembo setup from a DC5 Integra or an EVO is as good as this uber expensive AP setup, while costing a lot less.
As for the suspension, dual valve absorbers is nothing new, and although good for this application, the car really needs more power to supplant its good chassis, absorbers and brakes.
As for the car, it would be a great investment for its owners, but for others, IMHO a used Satria GTi with high end Tien absorbers and evo3 brakes all round would be much more fun to drive…
yes it is, B16A3 had more power over 160hp, but in current standard emission they are not good enough.. and anyway..
I don’t think their handling are better than this neo. ;)
Even the current CPS engine is actually lagging behind emissions-wise. That is why the CPS engine is unavailable in Europe. With non-cat equipped exhausts in the Neo Lotus Racing, the emissions is no better if not worse than the 20 year old civic VTEC’s and MIVEC’s
Its handling might not be better, but where is the fun in low powered car that runs as if it is on rails?? Might as well just take an LRT for that matter…
what to do…..
xde duit tengok je la………….
setuju sangat…
it is a known fact that the roofline of the satria neo is flawed. you either have to sit almost lying down or replace the seats with short stools so you don’t hit the roof. fans will dismiss this point altogether for the driving experience though.
So true… The person who would be suitable for this is Richard Hammond since he’s short. Buy only if you’re shorter than 1.75m (based on Paul).
pity you…
just go get caravan…. or related height-suitable car ok..
dont be mad… just joking…
hav fun commenting ok
Eventhough you said that…
Neo already has its fans… SO?
to compare ah beng and automotive industries totally ridiculous.. do u think ah beng study mechanical engineering? maybe they get certificate from ILP or ABM but that what we call SEPARA MAHIR/ JURUTEKNIK.. they can repair but not invent..
Very well said petr…
not to forget those who are not even separa mahir/juruteknik… “those who sends their cars to ahbeng mod shops”… these fellas think they know everything. Ignorant people always think they know everything remember… lets just sit back and laugh… :)
hahahaha
Ah Beng shops always try & error but R3 will use Engineering skills & better equipment, last but not least, the WORKMANSHIP maaaaaaa…..
To all Bashers, dont compare R3/Proton with AH BENG..Such a stupid comparison….
Let me see..
Nope! Doesn’t have anything that’s proton engineered specifically for this car.
All performance kit are all slapped on. What’s left is fine tuning. And I don’t remember tuning as engineering.
But correct me if I am wrong k, I would like to know what did they invented? The Lotus Paint job?
is the chassis they learn and they invented
Woah.. You’re saying that this R3 Neo doesn’t use the same platform/chassis as their smaller Neo cousin. That’s nice to know.. Paul didn’t mention this at all in his review.
Or you misunderstood me? My question was, did Proton engineered/invented new stuff, that’s not available on market yet for the R3 Neo.
Let me state my point as well, the R3 Neo is only a extra performance package added/fine tuned on the basis of a Proton Satria Neo. You must remember fine tuning =/= inventing.
what? do you think this is new model?
well, if you want new stuff engineered for just 25 units, you’re out of your mind and definitely you can’t be a businessman. board of directors won’t approve it. or the price might be as high as Ferrari.
tweaking and fine-tuning for sport cars is not as easy as 1-2-3, and that’s the R3 division. they’re a pro tuners.
Thank you for reminding me about businessman. You just flip the wrong switch.
It’s because Proton and their “partners” are so good a “Businessman” that we are left with so limited choice and junks. Thank You Very Much. KTHXBYE!
are you talking bout VW-Proton thing? what it has to do with this Neo? you’re being unrealistic to ask for Proton to develop something new for 25 unit only, and for that i would say you don’t have business sense.
VW wanted to “own” Proton by buying 51% of Proton shares. And Proton simply ask for more time to prove themselves, and they’ve got their 2nd chance. btw, VW still interested to be Proton’s partner, and reported that Proton would do CKD for VW then export to Asean countries.
Proton will use Mitsu Lancer as Waja, and Mitsu will rebadge Persona and Exora to be sold as Mitsu.
China already import Gen2 and rebadge it there.
do you think you can still earn money after you sell your company? selling the technology or car platform is a better option. You can choose to sell the company if you’re no longer interested to run it any more. Proton was established to produce cars for lower income group. Do you really think cars will be cheaper without Proton? I don’t think so. cheapest vios in Thai is RM50k, but here we have saga and persona within the range of RM30-50k.
as i said previously in other topic:
Almost 500,000 new cars being sold and registered in Malaysia in 2009. If no Proton, and if the cheapest import car is RM50k, that’s about RM 25,000,000,000 (RM25bil) flowing out of our country. What do we have to export to keep that import in balance trade? Our oil export is around RM20bil, but it is depleting fast, and if Petronas didn’t find any new oil field, we have no oil to export after 2017. Let me remind you that if we keep having trade deficit, we might end-up bankrupt like Greece!
Even if we do something like P2, we still need to pay lots of money for license/copyright, and for engine and parts imported to assemble cars here. still, lots of money are flowing out of our country. And for that, I think gov would have to increase tax and we’ll be the next Singapore.
pls la dont say pro tuner la…..pro tuner dont do sport car with only 145hp…kampung tuner like me also can make more than this….but not with this campro ok.
haahaha lawak.
Wrong again dude… the performance kits are not slap ons. There were heavy engineering analysis involved, and there were two-way communications between R3 and the performance kit developers (do you think Proton just send any number for ohlins to fabricate?). The cost of the development are absorbed into the sold product… hence the higher price. Even the mould for the Carbon Fibre parts require engineering and a lot of technical expertise (NO, THEY DONT MAKE IT OUT OF PLAYDOUGH LIKE WHAT YOU MAY THINK) because carbon fibre technicians are a rare breed…
Nonetheless, EVEN IF R3 WERE TO EXPLAIN THE DETAILS TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU, YOU STILL WOULDNT BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND. Even if yourea PANASONIC engineer… so no point in doing so. If you really want the facts, put some effort and contact the engineers… The things you read in newspapers are infos for the general public… so you wont know the full extent of the work done technically.
Peace dude…
Have you read Toyota Way?
How they grow? How they adapt technology?
Not by always invent new tech, but to apply reliable tech into their cars.
Typical malaysian is, if you are good, you must invent new things.
Plz enlighten me how 100years toyota develop their technology, i want detail in every ways as exmple quality engineering , design for assembly , design for manufacturing ,work design, instrumentation and calibration, standard use, automation anything related to engineering, u sound like u know everything ,u r the typical one japanese people learn from copying at first and develop on their own after that,plus japanese people are known for their hardworking and very particular in every way..
tuning is undeniably a major part of the engineering. its the finding the right measure to achieve the target objective. simply said, just filling up the blanks in a form to specify the values/criteria of what we need. but thats not a simple task, mind u.
i am an engineer. we prepare specification and send it to the manufacturer to supply the parts exactly as we specify.
please get ur fact right, bro.
engineering=invent??? dude……………………………pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I can feel that ppl here are so envy and no $ to buy this car; actually none of us here can get it; SOLD OUT; do not belive, call Proton http://www.proton-edar.com.my/index.php?page=campaign&action=view&id=78
Anyone interested can contact me, I will arrange necessary jobs to make your Neo perform on par or better than this R3. The catch is, you’ve gotta pay full sum rm115k before project commence.
Contact number ?
List of your project ?
No project yet.
You want to invest?
covered by insurance or not?
Of course have to.. or else how to get roadtax. XD
BTW, I was originally joking, since u can definitely mod a lot using 60k.
I do hope someone do it (I wished it could be me, but you know la, life is difficult), prove to Proton they CAN do better job than this and Proton needs to hire these fellas who actually made a car better.
is it reliable n safe???
Depend on who is behind the wheel…
i mean, did u do the rigid homologation for safety?
Obviously you cannot offer the same OEM warranty like Proton can you?
So your offer should be RM115k now, more down the road.
It is easy to soup up ones car at Sunway to higher performance that this car but to do it with OEM standards?? :)
that’s what i said last time, it’s gonna be SOLD OUT in weeks.
Actually you should count by days. Tony would have bought one or two and place it in the garage without even thinking.. RM115k only muh, sap sap shui for him…
I don’t think it’s open for us, even if we have the money to buy.
You can buy it, if you want to. It’s not ‘by invitation’.
But best be quick because half the allocated units were sold already last week.
This car has collectors value attached to it. I wouldn’t drive it to work everyday. The bonnet is real carbon.
too late, SOLD OUT in 3 days!
i bet most of those buyers bought the car without even a short test drive…
proton has the right to mod their cars and people has the right to buy if the can afford to, we as 1 malaysia has the right to support and condemn… but please not buta buta to reject..
BETOL BETOL BETOL
car for the fools!
well said man.
you think the fools can afford 115k cars?
if you can’t afford, just be quiet. if you don’t know the value, you’re the fools.
MoFaz, i’m driving rx8, what car u drive? kancil? hahaha kesian
rx8 nih mitos dan legenda je die nye engine. handling mmg toksah citer la. tak pernah bwk pon. tapi Rx8 mmg superb handling. tapi tak berkenan mazda quote keter tuh 1.3. bullshit! its actually 3.9. making it horribly inefficient engine. wakakakka. google RX8 1.3 or 3.9? then u know why insurance company mintak 2.6 litre nye payment.
nobody really cares if this car is professionally tuned. (well define professional). The mechanic under the tree, he also is a professional. At a price like this, there are so many other options to choose from. Abarth 500, Mini Cooper, Polo GTI, Fiesta ST Mountune, Seat Ibiza Cupra, Skoda Fabia VRS, Mugen Fit, all of which are more powerful, more comfortable, prettier and most importantly more reliable.
The guys that buy Lotus R3 NEO can buy more than that laaaaa….
But they still buy Lotus R3 NEO..Why?? you better ask them….
PAUL TAN said:
Yes, 145 bhp is not much, and RM115K is a lot of money (quality items don’t come cheap), but the Satria Neo R3 Lotus Racing pushes all the right buttons and delivers the right sensations for the enthusiast. Some may think of those 25 owners as fools, but I’ll call them lucky fools!
oi ? still around !!! i tot you MIA (Missing In Action) liow lol
aiya you like to drive branded then drive branded lo ….you think branded is good ma even a Giant Toyota could also have a major problem. so what the heck ?! still a car and a car always got problem and you can tell me that driving Ferrari doesnt have problem ar ? LOL
wake up la , still a piece of metal and bring you from A to B.
if you are so smart so genius in car ……..then you should educated us and advice proton ….or should advice the whole car industry show them what a car should be loh hahahahaha
start from now. each basher comment we gonna reply with PLEASE LEAVE. agree?
self-mod/ ahbeng shop mod (professional meh..) car drop their 2nd hand value drasticly..that’s people who wanna sell their modified car had to undo the mod to sell at a higher price, if u got into an accident, u can claim insurance for the modified parts of the engine.
while this one u don’t have to worry of its 2nd hand value or its insurance even
so if u have RM115k and u’re interested in buying (ONLY) Satria Neo, would u buy the normal car, and the balance from it to modify?? or would u rather have this one??
mind u this is only comparing this car to other Satria neo/modified Satria Neo…so don’t bother to comment comparing to ur H/T/M/N
well said hehehehe
some people claim themselves as they can mod their car and act like professional …..well yeah ah beng professional hahahaha
Kind advice, try to avoid accident, no matter if your car is modified or not.
I wonder wat clarkson would say about this?
lets hope they have their hands at one
Pianos will be involved i’m sure
I don’t think he can even drive this car.. He’s too tall, the sun visor already block his view… Can’t see, how to drive?
i can’t remember clearly whether it’s clarkson or somebody else driving Neo in one of the review last time. yeah.. roofline is too low.
It’s Richard Hamster Hammond in the Neo. Jeremy is in the Myvi, and May, i think (not sure) the Chevrolet.
This car will be in the list of “Gone in 60 Second” crew…;) 25 unit only…sure this car is all about passion…Malaysian ” Eleanor “…;)
Proton can do whatever they want to as long as they have the resources and relevant expertise. if they priced their stuff at some price that’s beyond the reach of below average income earners… so what? it’s not like you have to buy it right?
does Lexus get bashing when they priced their cars more than what Toyota is offering for similar cars? no… but when people talk about Lexus… everyone will go… wah, oohhh, fwah… etc.
i used to not like Proton years and years back. but as they mature more in the auto industry, i tend to appreciate more on what they are doing. at least they take the initiative and effort to improve. comon lah, you don’t become a great auto maker overnight. a fine example would be the Koreans. people tend to not take them seriously. but now, they are giving the Japanese a ran for their money. even when the Kia Cerato Forte is rebadged to Naza, i’m sure people would still buy it.
so, instead of coming out with useless negative comments, why not give constructive comments? how would you expect Proton to improve if no constructive comments are given? i acknowledged that Proton does have its own shortcomings… but given time, they can improve.
yup,agreed,even lexus share the same chasis from toyota such as camry n even prius n make their own(lexus is toyota),but sell at higher price, people accept that especially malaysian, (thats why they share similar pedal n brake problem),but when proton make it special,they will said i is a scam. Reliability is one factor. the r3 can tuned it to 180 whp if u wnt(u can go to r3, ask them to do,they have all the parts,and it is reliable,but the problem is when u touch too much on internal parts, there will be a problem when u service ur car n the availability of the parts because it is custom made. if the engine need n overhaul or blowup(if happened), normal thing will broke is valve,cylinder,crankshaft,piston n etc but rarely heard my camshaft patah or undrdrive pully rosak, it is n easy fix n a lot of parts available.
that is why they only done a modest tuning. but if u not satisfied,u can call r3 anytime to mods the engine to 180whp@200ps, but bring the money becoz it will cost a bomb(n/a not turbo). phylosophy for r3 is reliable na tuning(not turbo). thats why they tagline is redefining the limits.
They have to redefine their phylo in the future….. coz proton is going turbo!!!… psst psst.. hahaha
RM115k – SOLD OUT….
one more thing, when r3 tuning the damper, it not just wheel alignment,or toe, it is more on spring n damper rate, where they fine tuning using shark n raven software by lotus, so they can make it more understeer or more oversteer if they want. not only that, they can match the suspension tuning n the engine powerband. they also used software to fine tuning the engine, make the power more wider,more acessible each gear n each rpm, which rpm n which gear suited to enter the apex. the also do simulation to fine the best balance of power n handling n which is faster throughout the lap time.
it is not the same as ah beng plug in laptop to the car ecu on dyno. it is not the same. even ah beng doesnt use any advance software that they used. that is how the r3 know how many laps the r3 car can achieve in mme even without start to race, n that is how they beat vios,sss,city,yaris, pug,jazz n etc in asian touring 1500max. after all the precise calculation,then they will test it in real life n fine tuning until they get the max performance n handling that they wanted. that is why even elise can beat porshe that has more power to weight ratio even more torque to weight ratio. u can watch fifth gear.
Bro, Proton should award you employee of the month lah. Hehehe…
Anyway, I do understand the essence of this car. Average Joe/driver won’t understand what you said. I bet most of them can’t imagine all the tiny little work of detail that goes through every so called aftermarket parts that R3 has put on this Neo. The word “ENGINEERING” is too big a word for them to comprehend. Well, let them be.
neo cps is better look than this car…
perfomance or handling maybe ok base on wat they ve installed n tuned
n price is reasonable..
but still the look of this this car is so…. lame???
im not satified enough by it look…
for me, im not paying for this car n couldnt imagine to drive it..
they should put extra work on it looks…
har? neo cps betta looking?? small fugly rims on BIG wheel arch then evo 5 rally spolier on the hatch?? LOL
FOR ALL WHO AFFORD TO BUY THIS CAR AND INTRESTED TO HAVE IT PLEASE PROCEED UR “NIAT”. I CAN GIVE MY 100% CONFIDENT THAT U’LL NEVER REGRET ON YOUR DECISION.
This is my experience having satria neo. 2006/1.6HL/110Hp
1. u will look diffrent from others
2. awek2 sure like
3. mat2 kereta surely pandang even they do HATE the car.
4. superb local sport car, superb handling, superb driving, 180kmh/ 190kmh senang2 je.
5. U will popular just because u using NEO.
6. Easyly SOLD OUT your car. * but not standard lah.
1. wats so diff about the satria neo. u can see it a lot in universiti malaya and uitm. with better paintjobs.
2. of cos those awek will. they like everything.
3. pandang cos they want to laugh at the car
4. these days people are looking at 280-300km/h. even an avanza is capable of 190km/h
5. ppl mistook it for NEO from the matrix.
6. low production volume, cos nobody wants it
nah… Mazda is not so great either.
i just can’t stop laughing when i sit inside Mazda 2, you can find everything those bashers said about Proton in it, cheap & hard plastic, fugly design, bla bla bla. go enjojy your beloved Mazda elsewhere la.
ye lah…..
avanza 190km/h masuk gaung bang….
haiyaa .. since when avanza can go 190km/h? if can how long does it takes? for century? if u wanna bash, then bash with knowledge and attitude. dun simply bash like typical zero knowledge basher. i know u cant afford to buy this car. so, dun be sad. better u shutdown ur pc and play with ur barbie dolls.
with this price n shape body i rather go to pug 308 gt..more gadget n fun
If we live in a country that does not have such high taxes on imported cars….then this would be rubbish…..
But the reality is, Proton is living on our grief….so I must say nay to a Proton…..
Sorry Proton…..It’s just a matter of principle…..
Its good to have principle in life…
But, better we keep the principle to ourself, if not ppl will laugh at us if we break it ourself…
Paul, need to ask you. Since u said the Neo Lotus is abeit free to tail-slide, does it means it’s using original Neo track width instead of Neo CPS track width?
This R3 Lotus Racing is based on the Neo CPS. There’s a marginal increase in track width over the donor car
It’s not just the track width. The spring rate also different. Is that right Danny?
Yes. Everything that has a bearing on handling has been fine tuned by R3
After reading many of the comment, i would say some of you say no to this car and thumbs up to this car.
For me, im thinking that this car is a good car….for its specs n quality.From what i know:
+AP brakes worth RM10k for the whole system(disc, 4pot caliper, braided brake lines, brake pads, brake fluid)
+r3 parts + carbon fibre parts worth RM5k (bonet, fender, diffuser, lips)
+perfomance part worth RM15k (carbon fibre intake, exhaust system manifold piping mufler, racing block gasket, perfomance ecu n mapping, mounting, short gear ratio,body strengthing:extra spot weld, perfomance camshaft increased rpm to 7500 )
+New Ohlin abs worth RM8k
+New tyre bridgestone RM250/pcs total RM1k plus advanti rim RM1.5k
+perfomance interior worth RM3k part such as R3 geaknob, leather seat, R3 padel, meter panel redline 7500, custom dashboard and door trim)
So in total the cost is RM43500 plus the neo cps car price RM 57 763 total RM101,263.00 plus untung skit, RM115000.00 so the price is oklah…..for those who appeciate rare limited cars plus the car has waranty insurance on parts
Sorry not for me…..just see only….wira standard only appropriate n in budget for me
good luck on your wira standard… :)
I own Gen2 with no CPS 2005 auto can get 195km/h with no problem .
You mean while going downhill?
Ayoo….. friend you try gutrie highway ……….or klia highway….
you can get 195 if you have driving skill not just letak kat D tekan minyak
Mine can hit 220 with air cond, downhill to F1 2005 hehe
At kesas max is only 190 km/h, huhuh
In term of handling it is as gud as gti, stabilty of course, 1.2 tonne, no problem with that
refer to this site:
http://www.proton.com/public/media/mediacentre/documents/PROTON_SATRIA_NEO_R3-LOTUS%20RACING%20PRODUCT%20SPECIFICATION.pdf
i already got this clone R3 lotus racing hehehehehe (coming soon paint to this colour scheme)…my spec GSR 1.8Turbo engine, Cusco Adjustable, Ultra Racing strut and antirollbar, E-Manage piggyback, Gun Metal Wedssport rims, VTTR brake, RSR exhaust system, Bride Low Max replica seats and others small2 electronic gadget…hehehehe this is also limited edition but by me lah….
*thumbs up!
Kekeke.. now i kinda remember limited edition Lotus Yamaha 125.
Peng yu, thank you…thats the whole idea :-), just go and buy the base car and mode it.
Will be interesting if Jeremy Clarkson review this car on top gear!
they did before i think, and they all complained of the poor driving position. jeremy clarkson is a huge guy so he suffered the most.
and from the review here it seemed they didnt change the positioning to avoid having to redo safety test. So let’s not get top gear to review it, cos i’m sure u will not like what they will say abt it.
This 115k 145hp neo r3 lotus can sprint from 0-100 in 9.x second. But 85k 120hp twin clutch tranny ford fiesta can sprint from 0-100 in 9.9 sec
I love both
This is over kill marketing and hype up engineering.
Proton, with the help of NAP has at least succeeded mesmerizing the ‘rakyat’ that RM115k Proton is okay and cheap.
This RM115k abomination is meant for “poor rich guy” car. It’s not meant for the elite. Elites will surely stick with Ferrari, Brabus, Masserati, Lamborghini, Buggati Veyron and etc.
Those who bought this car actually owned a “kampung” Ferrari. Good to catchup girls at mamak restaturant, but ain’t enough to hit even a decent girl in city center KL.
I wonder, with RM115k, with all the expensive gadgets installed inside the car, they actually forgotten to change the POWER WINDOW parts!
This is laughable stock!
It’s not really that amusing to see the car in action on road, really, sorry, it doesn’t intrigue me.
BUT, it’s really amusing to see this car entering some Proton Service Center complaining their Power Window doesn’t work. Haha.
at least they have ‘kampung’ ferrari….u apa ada? oh forgot…u ada persona , waja ect…
after this, all the 25 cars ada custom body striker ‘ to SYOH, look at my car dude’
The usual SY0H power window story. Give it up man, nobody takes you seriously anymore.
SYOH la you.. pegi main jauh jauh.
you’ve made yourself sound really stooooooopid. pathetic basher. get a life dude!
Yeah, its Good to catchup girls at mamak RESTATURANT…
hahaha
then protong mechanics said “Soli…no power window spare part mah. Ada 25 jer di Mesia, takkan nak simpan spare kot…”
Stoopid R3 owner: “How to pay toll like that…?”
Protong mech: “Haiyyaa, open the pintu lah…macam biasa lah…”
oldman ni pun mmg stupid… tak ada beza power window neo R3 ni dengan Neo yg lain… no problem about proton parts.
pegi main dengan cucu la.. kereta ni untuk yg muda remaja mcm kami ni je. org tua takleh naik takut kena sakit jantung
ceritera sambungan…..
stoopid r3 owner: Aiyaah…i ingat bayar lebih rm100K dpt brg baik punye…mcm power window celup dlm gold ker…rupanye same je ker…
Protong mech: Lu terpedaya psl ape…ni takde beza…cuma overpriced tuning jer..
Stoopid r3 owner: Tidak..tidak…Tipah tertipu…
Power window???
hahaha keta aku da lama x pakai power window
sejak baya tol pakai smart tag
stoopid oldman….
i am sad warga emas really knows little about cars. tingkap nih tingkap stended mended. ape lak gold dipped glass cam atuk cakap? haih. xde point la tu. dah berumur pun tak reti2 nk hargai usaha anak tanahair. camne la yg muda tak terikut ngan pemikiran cam nih. sedeh tul
SY0H,
Dont forget my book title for you…
“POWER WINDOWS FAILURE: A TRUE STORY”
or
“ME AND MY POWER WINDOWS”
I keep suggesting these to you since you repeating this PW stuff…
for that price ppl sure compare. Practical buyers will go for lancer gt,sylphy, or even civic 1.8. At least head dun touch roof. Proton pls change the design of perdana. You have a nice v6 engine housed in a very boring design already. Proton can do a lot of wonders if you put the right resources for the right purposes.
forgot to mention altis too.
PROTON HAVE COME OUT WITH LOTS OF SILLY CARS,REMEMBER THE TIARA,JUARA SAVVY AND THE BREAD MINI VAN EXORA?AND NOW A NEW NEO LOTUS WITH HORRID COLORS,CHEAP DECALS AND STILL AS SLOW AS THE EXORA,remember the school days,where the most weirdo kids in the class?proton sits in that category ,go ahead and look silly driving this car
gr8 video Greg.. how did u do it? hang over the door while driving?
opps… gr8 video Paul….
this is not even real lotus la, is immitation lotus, look at the logo and lotus font, is not the original lotus logo! who will be stupid enought to buy it?
you don’t know anything, do you? who said this is Lotus car? that’s the logo for F1 Lotus Racing. The car is not being sold as Lotus, you silly. It’s just to mark Proton’s involvement in F1.
and you ask who will buy it? fyi, it’s already sold out!
Lotus racing to lotus is like pensonic to panasonic! immitation thing!
I just bought a Neo CPS and they launch this?!!! Hahaha Jealous but I can’t afford this…. those ppl bashing this car will never see the point….and I’ve been to the speed bowl featured in the pics… nice! Can feel the G-forces…. a Proton person told me the AP brakes and Ohlins alone cost 30k… my gawd…. I still think it’s brilliant car this one…. but my one grouse is… err for RM 115k, would it too much to ask for xenons? I think this car still uses halogens…. oh and not to forget, this car is NOT built in the main assembly lines…. it’s hand built by R3 :) I dunno how that’s gonna enrich anyone’s life but tot it’d be interesting to note…. I don’t like the standard R3 kit… looks too much like the Campro R3…. they should’ve evolved the CPS bodykit for this car…. oh well… can’t have it all….
yeah yeah i do agree. the satria neo CPS. look sweeter than the R3 neo.
probally they might upgrade the CPS into CPS-T , the turbo version. 6 speed. this is my hopingly guess. why ,, looking the way of its lower air intake, its can confortabally fit the intercooler and hoses within its width.
satria neo CPS-T, ho ho, proton please, nowadays hot hatches are turbo-ed.
well hope and hope, i just want to see proton make good car.
i want every layman will say, proton is tough, power, and minyak tak besar.
two thousand eleven is mark if this good news i HOPE.
everybody will change to proton,
proton saga said to be peoples car will at least deliver 11 to 12 cent on the highway and 15 cents in town driving. will make everybody buy proton saga.
and the satria neo CPS turbo is a true sport hatch, genuinely.
exora will have no issue on power delivery.
cvvt is standard every engine even 1.3.
so much hope and, i know they gonna make it.
stupid bashers..u thing speed is everything? nver play racing game all ur life? if u nvr play any, i suggest that u try NFS SHIFT. try to choose car with more speed than grip..u will find out that ur car hard to control and will crash easily. when u use car with more grip than speed, then u will understand why handling (grip) is much more important than speed..u can ask any gamers if u dont trust me. beside, the car in the game is created based on the real car.
those who buy this car, they r not stupid..they can afford it means they r rich n successful ..this is for sure not their only car..their must be something about this car that make them interested (such as the handling)…n stupid people nver become rich and always fail… (then they blame the other).. if u cant afford it.. no need to say anything.. no money no talk la beb!
your facts based on games…are u real? This is the next future leader…stoopid fella.
game zaman sekarang ni hampir sama dgn real-life. kalau salah setting kereta dalam game, korang akan kalah/ accident… mcm tu jugalah dengan kereta sebenar.
org tua dari zaman dulu layak main kereta sorong je.. syuh syuh.. gi main jejauh. jgn layan org tua ni.. dia dah nyanyuk
dont compare this car to altis, civic, latio..this is sport car.. not in the same category.. maybe u can compare it to cecila but this is limited edition car..not special edition!!
for example, football jersey with autograph from football star will cost more than ordinary jersey. why???? because it is limited edition, not everyone can have it. same with this car.
Lotus Bla bla bla tuning bla bla bla,, handling.
What so good about Lotus Racing? Even 1 point cannot get in F1. Lotus technology is yester years. Racing teams over the world now is laughing at Lotus. Even Top Gear presenter make jokes bout Lotus.
Come on Malaysian, wake up from the Lotus dream. Go buy yourself a better car.
Go read some more…
Is this Bender the robot? He’s talking from his arse. If you claim Lotus technology is yesteryears, then why did Nissan ask Lotus to tweak and tune their GTR chassis? Duhh~
‘Telur sebiji, riuh sekampung.’
That’s what Neo car is all about lah. Proton forever syok sendiri/ self-absorbed.
of course la riuh.. ini telur emas la.. sebijik harganya RM115,000!
Please don’t compare video games with real life. It shows that many of the postings here are done by posers who knows so much about cars and yet it is only based on what they read on the internet. Sheesh, go to work, get some money, when enough then buy yourself a sportscar. Then we’ll talk about cars and handling. And another thing, Toyota Celica, not cecila. I own an antique TA22 4A-GE (fitted it by previous owner) and I’m proud of it. Btw, Proton, I love the way this car looks and I would really love to see it in a one off DTM guise just for fun. Good day everybody!
mdn says:
9/4/2010 at 3:49 am
pls la dont say pro tuner la…..pro tuner dont do sport car with only 145hp…kampung tuner like me also can make more than this….but not with this campro ok.
haahaha lawak.
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Where do you live dude? Pro Tuners do all cars in all categories…dddhhuuuh! Its not just about horsepower dude… even if it is 145bhp out of a 1.6l NA engine is awesome dude… If you dont know this, no wonder youre still a KAMPONG TUNER like you claimed to be. Oh, I suppose you also install fibreglass evo bumpers on a waja and slaps Mitsu emblems on the bonnet and tell friends, “I mane EVOS” Thats so lame… dude… please, read more books.
hahaha…wat the hell pro tuner do with all type car….did you hear R3 tuned BMW, mercedes, mitsubishi, subaru…hahah lawak la. even the pro tuner i have know only concentrate with specific car brand and specific ECU system. One more thing wat the hell to tune with the siemens ecu….I dont see any tuning potential with this siemens ecu.
sorry i dont do any changes to body part…my car still standart look. I do only engine and OEM ecu tuning ….freelance kampung tuner hahaha.
dah tau tak pandai tu duduk la dediam kat kampung tu. aku benci org mcm ni, tau nak kutuk hasil kerja org je. padahal diri sendiri pun tak pandai, hidup tak terurus.
Pro tuner mmg boleh tune mcm-mcm engine. time belajar automotive engineering pun dah test segala mcm engine. kalau ko pandai pikir secara logik, takkan la Proton nak suruh R3 ni tune kereta BMW atau Mercedes plak..? guna la otak tu skit.
aku pernah dengar otak org Malaysia ni kalau dijual, jauh lebih mahal daripada otak Einstein… sebab banyak ruang kosong yg belum digunakan lagi.
habis tu klu ko pandai sangat tolong aku diassemble program ecu yg aku tgh hacke ni……engine otto cycle ni lebih kurang sama jer operation principal nyer….cuma yg berbeza system ecu yg digunakan….kalau ko tak tau aper2 pasal ecu tuning/remaping tolong diam….jgn dok menyalak sana sini. err…nak tanya ko tau ker ECU tu aper wakaka…
Aku lg benci kat org yg main sondol jer sokong….tak kaji….aku rasa kau ni species penyokong sebuah parti tu kan….sbb nampak sgt menyondol nyer.
klu nak menyondol agak2 la.
mr mdn, if u think that u r better than those engineers in R3 departments, u should move ahead and not just stay where u r rite now @ kampung and stop trolling in the forum. pls dont condemn (R3 engineers) and boast that u r better then them. they are way better than u. sorry. just accept the fact eventhough it is bitter.
Maybe they just started, so dun blame them la.. wahahahhahahahah
haha, i rather spend my rm115k buying this r3 car then mod my car to mr mdn. why?real engineer vs kampung tuner. when u send ur car to kampung tuner .. in the end u will spend more than what they promised.
dont rather la….just go and buy la your neo LE…hahaha.
well….atlaest cars that I hv remap the ECU have done thousand kilometers without any problem…and some have participate in the race….and the owners come to me again ask for my expertise to tune their car once they have mechanical or engine upgrade. kampung pun kampung la…..even I live in bandar.
How about you? only know talk nonsense…. menyondol.
wow,hebat. bleh x kongsi ilmu terang apa tu torque based ecu n load base ecu. apa kelebihan nkelemahan serta apa perbezaan talaan dia. terang dalam bm key coz senang nak paham. thanks a lot
hello bro…..
pertama skali aku nak ckp….aku tak bermaksud nak kondem dan kata aku lebih hebat dr R3 engineer….tp fikir la sendiri dgn price dan spec setup handling dan style yg mcm tu ko rasa sesuai tak diganding kan dgn engine 145hp yg klu di ukur pada wheel hp tinggal la dlm 110-120whp jer. Ramai kawan aku buat Bolt on turbo….hanya buat pada mechanic “pokok ceri” pun masih mampu bertahan 4-5 tahun tanpa major problem. Mmg susah utk upgrade engine NA utk dpt hp tinggi sbb klu vtec 2liter pun nak dpt 250hp pun susah dan tu sbb owner vtec klu target high hp diorang bolt on turbo utk dpt hp yg tinggi dgn lebih mudah. dan bayangkan korang pakai neo lotus ni jalan2…..tetiba kat trafic light ader kancil mira L200 duk sblh dah ajak race…aper tindakan korang. nak diam jer buat2 pegang handphone atau pandang jer depan tp hati rasa tercabar….nak try ngan kancil tu silap2 kena tinggal…..malu plak. jadi bg aku sytle, handling dan engine performance mesti selari.
pasal soalan ecu tu….ok la bro aku pun bkn superman boleh tau semua system ecu. utk memahami bahasa mesin yg digunakan pada setiap jenis ecu adalah satu perkara yg agak mustahil kerana ia bergantung pada processor n bahsa yg digunakan….dan process decode program machine languange mmg memakan masa…..dan perlu byk experiment pada kereta itu sendiri.
ok…..stkt permahaman aku….torque based ecu ni byk digunakan pada kereta2 baru yg mempunyai system e-eccelerator ( seperti drive by wire). sensor torque cthnya mmberi signal input pada ecu dan ecu akan bandingkan pada torque LUT (Lookup table). input dr sensor pedal diambilkira dalam pengiraan torque demand sebenar dgn torque engine dan dr situ ecu akan kira bukaan butterfly trotel body dan juga ignition timing dan ratio air/fuel dan mgkin juga input kepada TCU utk pemilihan gear yg sesuai atau mengaktifkan system traction control, ESC, boost control etc. Dr segi tuning sama jer dgn load based ignition timing advance/retard dan ratio air/fuel kecuali tork base ader caluclation dr sensor pedal dan power engine delivery.
Oleh kerana aku tuner kampung aku takda peluang utk tune kereta yg mahal2 yg ader TCS, ESP system semua tu yg memerlukan intensive testing sblm betul mahir dlm tune sesebuah model kereta. skrang ni pun aku hanya tweak pada kereta mitsubshi dan honda sahaja yg hanya guna load based iaitu ignition dan air/fuel ratio hanya bergantung pada beberapa sensor sahaja seperti MAF/MAP,TPS, engine temp…etc.
aku cerita setakat yg aku tau…klu nak cerita detail aku kena buat article sendri pulak kat sini…mgkin ader yg salah/tak betul….almaklum la kampung jer….tak macam sesetengah orang kat sini pandai2…rasa pandai….rilek saja kutuk org bodoh la stupid la.
amn, yerp 145hp mmg kecik. kalo aku, honeslty aku takde la puas hati sgt. kalo buleh, nak lebih, for sure la, performance nih susah nak puas hati.
kancil LS kat sebelah? hmm, pedulikan jer la. biar bertiang die tinggal. ape nak malu? drag buleh la kancil tuh. kalo jalan bengkang bengkok buleh terbalik baik takyah. drag tuh bidang laen. mmg laen citer dah. and tak best bangga menang drag. psl senang sgt nak capai. letak jer engine super besar, cabut sume mende jadi ringan, mmg confirm mng drag.
handling lak mmg totally susah gile nk achieve. aku rase 8X lagi susah nak tune sampai perfecto.tuh yg menjilat jari and aku lagi appreciate mende tuh then drag potential.
kancil l200? hmmm. no need to go against them la. haiya. buat malu saja ma. if u win pon malu juga.
em, aku rasa ecu ems 700 hanya untuk standard cps. yg ni pakai continental(siemens nama lama) r3 ecu mgt. rasanya 32bit,lain pada yg standard. rasa akulah kalu xsilap,xgitu tg djan :-)
OK, good 4 u. u have a good knowledge indeed. anyway, for r3/lotus, they not only do the retune based on knowledge of tuning, but also because some of them also involve in the making of campro/cps engine. So, it will be different with somebody who create the engine n tuning it n just mere 3rd party doing the tuning from other makes. thats why some bignames has their own tuning arm such as mercedes(amg), bmw(mdivision), toyota(trd),mitsu(MMC-closed already), n of course, proton(r3). anyway, the new proton will have 32 bit continental ecu, torque based, n u can hack it if u want in the future, but when manufacturer produce cars, it is different than other tuners because there are many things that they need to adhere(thats why the new amg e series is not have much improve on hp n torque compare to the standard due to certain limitation). happy motoring
suddenly popup in my head,how bout the anti-theft thing in this car??…can anybody share it with me?….
The most expensive Proton to date…….LOL!!! can’t believe a Proton priced for more than a RM100k………probably due to its very limited numbers….25……kinda cool though….
Sure, it’s LE. And sure, the engine must be great, as it’s from Mitsubishi(or some other car company, I forgot).
But do yyou Proton fans know what you’re missing out? As mentioned by ‘Seriously’ we’re missing out on the Civic Type-R, which would cost aroung -100k here withut taxes(which protect Proton).
Btw, I’m not a basher, and please, stop calling others bashers too. They’re entitled to their comments as you are to yours.
@Someone No worries bro, even if they call u basher. This post has been seriously very entertaining. Look around other post, only proton can get such attention from us (300++ reply). Whether u like or dislike Proton, Good job guys! Just pity that the person who made these calls in Proton will never and ever read this bunch of comments. XD
type r 120k++ without tax. this car 115k with tax. the price will be around 90k without tax. so it is 30k cheaper than type r :-)
Campro CPS is made by Proton, not Mitsu or some other car manufacture, everyone knows about the Type-Rs, the TRDs etc…so u wouldn’t they missed out on anything, it’s just they are proud to have something of our own, be proud as a Malaysian to have something that is local and have our country’s name with it, just like the Japs with their Hondas, Toyotas, the American with their Chevs, the Germans with their Mercs, BMW, VW etc…
they’re proud and they don’t give credits blindly or in ur case critic blindly, (to say its engine isn’t our own)..and that’s why they’re called BASHER
Huiisshhh… nasib baik poket tak byk duit, kalo dak aku lah salah sorang 25 pembeli tu… sob~sob~ nice one proton.. Good Job… waiting to see replacement perdana after this n also proton EMAS…
Walau aku pemilik P2 but aku tetap sokong kebangkitan proton nih… good job proton!!
Chill, people, chill… relax, why the tension? Place a booking if you like it, go for other cars if you don’t…. why lah bashing each other like there’s no tomorrow? 2nd days already and i coudn’t finish reading the comments…
haha. well said bro. open minded.
luv the sound. the brakes really bites n the handling awesome even in wet
its not about bashing or anything la, guys, we are sharing opinions. ok, i drove a proton satria 1.3gl from 1997 to 2003 (cannot remember exact date la) and that car got me to places la.. i mean i bought for around 43k or 47k i think, and no fuel injection ok, manual some more.. i sold it for RM18k! not bad la.. then income not enuff, so bought proton waja the mitsubishi 1.6 one, enhanced edition la, and then i remember so proud of my car u know, paid around rm66k i think, got 2 air begs, 16′ sport rims, ok la that car, but have to fix my own clarion CD changer lor, but sound system not bad u know.. that car, no problem, except the usual proton cars problem, but can go quite fast la.. max i drive i think 165km/hr only, after that even u floor the pedal, it somehow like sangkut there, never modify anything la, then i sold it last year for rm28k, not bad right? use part money driving Honda lor.. but of course cannot simply compare la, quality and performance come with price. even tho i drive honda, months back when driving along seremban / melaka highway, satria neo normal model, overtook me with ease when i cruised at 160km/hr, it overtook effortlessly, maybe cos its very light… but seriously whether a car, can give u the mount of horses like the new porsche 918 or other performance cars, unless u really have the b*lls to floor the bugger and steer it well, no point right? why do malaysians drive bentleys? i see lots of uncles driving nowadays… to show off ma… but proton really can do more, thats all i have to say about proton ler. for 115k, maybe we can buy a 2nd hand well maintained sports car right? or an older model bmw? dunno la… some just like the Satria i guess… a normal honda civic when tried can reach 200km/hr, effortlessly also, the new Lekas highway exit from Nilai is a nice wide, straight and long stretch… eh, what’s with ppl modifying their normal civic 2.0 white to look like Type R nowadays… haha..
I’m wondering is anybody out there still driving the Proton Aerokit which was released in 1992??This is totally rare species from proton…
kepada yang tak paham tu. apa ingat orang heran ke kau bawak Golf GTI ke.., RX8 ke…, atau yg harga lebih kurang dengan neoR3 ni. tapi kalo aku nampak kete ni kat tengah jalan mesti aku pikir “siapa lah pemandu kete limited ni?” ko bawak kereta apa pun orang akan pandang kereta je. Tapi kereta ni orang tengok kereta & owner sekali. Ia menunjukkan lambang kekayaan. dah tau diri tak kaya tu tak payah bising2..
lambang kekayaan – Then they should have priced this car at half a million ringgit. Make everything out of carbon fibre, enough to justify price. Enough said.
they didnt put it coz they are not that SCHTUPIDT , like u, bro. apa mende ko ckp ni weih? aihhhhh……….
so many have said so many things. but the fact remains that almost all commenting (here at least) never had, and probably never will, have the chance to wring the living daylights out of this little gem of a track weapon, and write with conviction, the good and /or bad.
maybe rosyam noor could share his experiance in this gem….if not mistaken he is one of the owner of this LE neo. btw paul, can u share with us on whose who the Limited sane owner of this baby….
@hureyy I think better not, this one is not for bashing. If Paul shares it, and somehow the parts or the whole car itself got stolen, Paul WILL be liable and the insurance company will go after him. So please, don’t make such a request to anyone. Especially in such public comment section.
agreed.
great car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree Neo R3 Lotus is a nice car… but Rm115 is to much…. i know…i know…. is a limited… only 25 in malaysia… but after 3 year it will be 50 or 100 in malaysia…why..? because some one will but the same body kit, spary the some paint…. if u see at the hightway u will only say na……. is a clone one…… back to the price, Rm115 ==”””!!! i can buy a Neo CPS for Rm60++ and take Rm55++ to modified the car… i know…i know it will not be the some one… but it will be more better. because every thing that u put in is what u like…is what u want..
aiyooo mister…can u truly understand the word LIMITED EDITION?like lamborghini SV and ordinary lamborghini,what the different?the seat,some decall and also paint job..other lamborghini would also convert their lamborghini to lamborghini SV..but,no matter how,people know the different between an original lambo SV and converted lambo SV…got my point?same like neo R3 lotus,no matter how others converted their neo to neo R3 lotus,people can see the different…if u buy CPS neo then convert it to what ever u wanted to,kalau nak jual balik,harga turun la bro,tak penah pergi kedai used car ke?kalau kereta LIMITED EDITION,harga makin naik bro….FAHAM?kalau tak tau,jangan main belasah ja…rubbish
aiyo …….copy-made sure got alot on the street but to tuned by pro and get that custom made Ohlins suspension…………er………i guess you have to pay more than 115K
a 115bhp Sneo LE, or a 200bhp CTR… they still get caught in traffic jams. need to pay toll and need to find proper parking. a motorcylist will leave him crawling in peak hour traffic queues hands down.
whatever it is, we need to respect people’s opinion. even one freelance kampung tuner voice up, let him be. even though he has nothing to prove.
this version of sneo is an honest effort from proton. but overpriced it is. nice as collector’s item though…
Any idea how they increase 125 hp to 145 hp?
Semi racing intake cam?
Ap racing brake is just a poser if its top speed only 195km/h
Mine,std neo with tuned exhaust can hit 220km/h
No problem braking at high speed.
Btw, I admit that neo cps design is attractive.
Cant wait to swap my std campro with phoenix turbo, but not with soft tool cyl head
save it to your self please…no one asking
145 bhp for rm 115.000 is exorbitant. another rubbish from proton,stuck with the cps engine.noisy,lack refinement,poor driveability and sluggish,any moron out there who think their neo could do 200kmh per hour is day dreaming!!!!
Mazda rx-8 cost only 103,540.50 (with out d 300% import tax la)… d only reason why people will buy this junk is because of d G protecting P1 from open market competition…. for me i will wait for d abolition of d insane tax …maybe have to wait another 25 year LOL
say it face to face to the buyers. or we call u ‘chicks behind laptop’. u soooo cute……..
so sissy…booooo….if u dare,come and meet me at litar sepang this saturday
turbonetic, ada race kt sepang?what tournment?
booo .. go wait another 25-30 years. for the time being, ride a bicycle.
the most and lame and overused excuse of the century…hahahahha
The bashers are still bashing this car while it is already sold out..pg la bash kete lain plak.
Nissan introduced GTR Spec V with not much improvement in performance but with so much extra price. Some complaint, some dont but people still buy it.
IMHO, Proton did much better by introducing this R3 Lotus Racing Edition with better improvement in terms of performance.
A motor journo once write satria gti can be a cult car just like toyota trueno ae86. I believe this neo R3 lotus can be cult as well.
i wonder if all the bad comment to government will be taken seriously by the authority. u guys slumber kutuk2 goverment. have u guys heard about people get arrested over bad comment to governement on internet? its serious.its easily traceable.
:-) dear Fraz006,
all the comments here are certainly being monitored & acknowledge, but not to worry…:-D no one will be arrested.
Thank you for all the compliments, constructive comments for improvements & even the negative ones. Proton & R3 will continue to implement continuous improvements.
“The key to success, is one’s ability to manage a CHANGE”
Cheers,
u’re definitely right bro!Go proton!Go R3!!
anyway, about the cam,they use street cam, meaning idling is about the same as the standard car, no need to increase the idling rpm as when u use other tuner street cam n the engine is when u drive daily, it will not rumble as any cam in the market. if anyone see the dynograph, the increase of hp n torque(albeit modest) is across the rev band starting from 2500rpm untill 7500 rpm. if u see the different between old campro/iafm n cps dyno table, it is still the same only on certain point cps move higher than old campro, but for this r3,starting 2500rpm onwards, the increase is seen n also felt(if u drive the car) for each rpm n each gear. thats we call quality engineering.
when somebody want to put race cam in the car, u r welcome but its drivebility is not as the standard car(in term of comfort,engine rubling,idling n etc). but this tune cps by r3, can be driven daily in comfort.
Guy, i was trade-in my satria neo h-line with mistusbihi triton without any problem! tidak payah tambah satu sen pun. Even they offered me a hyper commonrail sticker and tint the windows… dont believe ah. Who says buying satria neo is wasting money?
paul, pls put the most recent comment on top.. it gets difficult to view once there is too many comments.. thanks!~
as for the car, no need to buy lah. in a matter of months there will be more than 25 on malaysian roads.. same stripe, same colors, maybe with an evo engine.. hehehhe
nice car but flawed coz the roofline is too low. and only 25 made so another syok sendiri project by proton. at least the GTI the common could get.
115k , can get a ford focus! great handling and practicality, throw in 15k more and get the TDCi! woohoo!
well… this is my 1st post in paultan.org..
1st.. I’m a malaysian staying in singapore.. I own 1 Honda Stream (same R18A engine as civic) and 1 Volkwagen Jetta Sports 1.4 TSI (bet many of you guys never heard of this model b4.. and basher.. do a search cos i think all u guys know is WIRALUTION)
Well.. when i saw those pic.. I must say.. IMPRESSIVE! NICE BODYWORKS!
ok.. i saw a lot of you guys comparing SSS with Neo L.E .. but b4 u comparing.. did you even know how much SSS cost and what is the HP?
On Spec sheet: SSS only 125 HP… all singaporean buy SSS because they like the handling not the HP (well.. you can always upgrade it using aftermarket)
AND KEEP IN MIND.. SSS DOESN’T EVEN COME WITH AP RACING 4 POT BBK (Big Brake Kit in case those kampung tuner don’t even know what it is..) and OHLINS A.S. and don’t even dream about CF parts!
All you basher out there only know how to compare it with your old WIRALUTION.. well.. let me get this straight.. IT IS AN OLD CAR FOR GAWD SAKE!
Let me ask you this… no matter how great is your WIRALUTION do you think when people saw your car on the road people will have the “WOW” expreession and keep looking at your car? NO.. it is just another kedai potong modded Wira – EVO – wannabe… But when you own the Satria Neo L.E. just imagine what people will feel when they saw your car on the road.. and i can guarantee some states can only see the pictures online!
RM115k to buy a car that will make people envy you (be it because it’s nice, because you are stupid rich bastard for buying it or because it’s ugly and you still buy it) is basically priceless….
Try to park you old proton kedai potong next to the Neo L.E. and see which car people will stop and see.. Well.. if you are lucky.. they may compare it to your old Wira and glad that PROTON does improve compared to well.. 13-14 yrs back? I kinda forgot when is the 1st Wira launched…
Malaysian didn’t really understand.. POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL.. Ask any Singaporean… Is brake more important or Power more important? You will be surprised how many workshops in Singapore don’t allow you to do HP upgrade without upgrading your brake system 1st.. Yeah.. Maybe they can earn more.. but.. Can you get back your life like your money after you lost it?
AP Racing is a very expensive brand.. A lots od Volkswagen owner (GOLF GTI) upgraded to this brake because it’s track proven… Maybe some basher only know Project MU (yeah.. i know some ah beng only call it project U.. but please pay attention to the U.. take a deep look!) or maybe some even still using standard 2 Pot disc… I wonder how come they still survive till now… Yeah.. they will say because they are skillful.. but try to race in any race track… and see who last longer…
I hope i didn’t get you guys bored… I post this because I got to admit.. When I 1st saw NEO L.E. … my 1st impression is: WOW.. Proton done a good job there!
Well.. I didn’t get into HP or technichal stuff because it’ll go endless… So.. what’s the point?
SOrrY for this Long But MeANinglesS (I mean to all the basher out there) POSt~
So… what’s your point? To generalize that Malaysian only know WIRALUTION is a deranged fact in itselft, and to think we don’t know VW cars is nonsense. You must be living under a huge rock. Try to get out in the world more… and you’ll realize people know alot more than you thought they would… and probably alot more than you too.
no.. my point is.. stop comparing with other makes and stop bashing own country’s make… becos this neo is a good car if u really compare it with any normal 1.6 NA car.. 145 bhp still not enough? You don’t even have any idea how many bhp a 1.8 NA civic (NON R’s of cos) had… and how much it cost more w/o any performance parts…
I’m sorry if I didn’t make it clear.. I’m not referring to the VW brand.. I’m referring to the model… No offense… Well.. Anyway it’s not about my car or your car here.. Let’s just stick to the topic shall we?
And.. I’m not here to start a war… I’m just pointing out what I’m thinking…
But.. well.. I think other than WIRALUTION there’s a WAJALUTION nowadays.. keep me updated then :)
so u bought this car already? if not, please dont talk too much… even u dont own a Proton.
people have different views about cars, so let them share their views… no need to get so upset right?
“so u bought this car already? if not, please dont talk too much… even u dont own a Proton.
people have different views about cars, so let them share their views… no need to get so upset right?” it is you who get upset reading his backup comment. his tone is neutral. urs is not.
I agree with the points u’ve made, the comparisons made by the basher are sometime illogical and most of the time ignorant. the fact of the matter is, this is our car, a Malaysian product and it really sad to see the citizen condemn so much their own national automotive brand.
comparing to other mass production models, comparing the HP, blaming the G (the most common excuse) will lead to nowhere. it will goes on and on…if u critic with any improvement that might had made this car a lot better..that will lead to critical thinking instead of pointless commenting
if u’re so into modded car just think about it, the car originally comes with 145HP, if someone were to buy this and mod it further…just think of it’s potential…. Campro is a reliable engine, if u know how to tap into it ;-) ;-)
if those who bash the G and their corrupted policies (including automotive) are called bashers, then what are those who blindly suck up to all the G’s actions called?
7? hahaha!….jk.
yerp. if u ask me. i ll say I hate the tax too. but that does not mean i hate P1. i like them. its like supporting an underdog team in world cup. e.g senegal. hehe.
to me, P1 and gov are two different things. what P1 is doing now is OK and accpetable to me. if u hate government, hate government la. why it sounds like P1=government?
How about i park my Yamaha R1 next to your neo… i bet many is going to touch the bike rather than your car. Maybe i get a girl or two. Plus the bike is 20k cheaper than the car
only 200km/h for that price? better buy civic i-vtec bro…my standard persona also can go that fast lol…on 45k in market price new…what a havoc of this car
fast? r u sure your persona is on par with this NR3LR? come on bro! wake up from your dream! maybe your car can go 200km/h, but how long does it takes?
it’s the matter of how long needed to reach that speed..
and can yr persona stop as fast as this car? would it last as long as this car on track?
i’m just curious… when Civic and Civic Type R got so much difference.. all people say: I wanna get this.. are you saying that civic 1.8 can’t go beyond 200km/h? then why still buy Type R when the price is so expensive? Please think before you post to avoid embarassment.. This is really started to get funny… The way you compare cars is really weird..
ntah la ..rm115k tu banyak..tp aku rasa ap racing tu pun nak cecah 20k..
tuned engine ngan system exhaust, cf bnet, cf fender bla bla bla..
worth to buy..
sesuai untuk di jadikan collector item..
klu x silap, systen brek kete ni ade kt 2000 clk DTM kan..
klu kaki mod xyah mimpi la dapat brek ni..
fuhh..
dasyat..
satu lg ohlins adjusttable kt proton satria ni..
memang gila laa..
silap2 wira engine evo 10 pun bleh lingkup klu main kt litar..
hahahah…jokers…..L.E will apreciate over time?….wat was tht again, 50% in 5 yrs….its a Proton!!!….can it last 5 yrs….tht should be the ques…..Proton’s reputation is there, laid bare for all to see….n using their own shitty Campro….tuning is one thing…reliability n quality is another….they cant even solve a blady power window problem for 12 yrs for gods sake…..this is really funny….
nak compare ngan civic 1.8 Ivtec..
aku rasa harga ngan performance ngan handling, kete ni lg bagus..
harga lebih kurang tp korang cuba bandingkan handling ngan performance plus safety dia..
kete ni jauh lebih bagus..
yang ada kt honda tu cuma woww..honda, ivtec..
tu je bro..
klu nak banding aku rasa ngan civic type r bleh kot..
ntah la tanye la otai2..
this car have thier own spcific target audience…if you think this car is expensive or xlaju etc…then you are not the target audience….
No proton fans dare to compare their beloved neo lotus racing with mazda RX-8 k? hehe of course not because its mere 1.3 engine produce 189bhp n top speed 223 kph. Plus it even have a functional back seat door. Tats what we r missing out because of d one sided AP… ;P
comparing a 4 pot engine with a rotary engine on different class cars with different type of drivetrain?r u serious?its like comparing an rx-8 to veyron which which have w12 quad turbo.u r not making any sense.
no point to compare. RX8 is designed from scratch to real performance car. this neo lotus is a conversion from daily drive passenger vehicle to a sport version in few months. if u ask me honestly, the later is harder and more challenging to do.
For your info: mazda has long been bullshitting the whole world by quoting the rx8 rotary engine as 1.3, and producing power like triple of 1.3.
google RX8 1.3 or 3.9?
its the biggest bullshit of the history. plus making the rotary engine sucks to the max. its a 3.9L inefficient engine, after some debate. wah lauuuuu
anyway. i still love RX8. its a legend!
im speaking from a price wise perspective my friend…. actually we can get a lot of better performance n equipped car for tat amount of money… d lousy tax is d only reason it cost much more here in boleh land
RX8 will be more expensive if LE is mass produced like RX8. yerp, this LE is overpriced (to think generally). u will only buy it if u have strong reasons.
the same old lousy tax excuse again n again n again…it will never end
why didn’t u go to the countries which can sell u that car for the price u want, and at the same time live there with their own standard of living, this “boleh” land is your homeland. so it is our rights to protect our own product, its the same as u working in a company, and then a foreigner comes in and steal ur job without having to pay permit or visa, and get as much money as u do…unfair right? the foreigner must pay for his visa and working permits, and his salary might be a slight less than local employees…that’s just fair right??
like i said, if this”boleh” land isn’t good enough for u…there’s plenty of land elsewhere in the world where u can get anything at ur own desired price.if u hate this car why would u even consider buying the limited edition, u can easily get a normal Satria Neo for half the price of RX-8, so why would u even bother looking at a collector’s item which is normally overpriced??
even a 50cent handkerchief with an autograph of someone famous can be sold for million to to its exclusivity…right? just think bout it
The only reason why people use this “excuse” is that it is a valid fact; it doesn’t take a lot to notice that. Yes, nothing can be done but it still gives a person a broader perspective on things, something most people here lack, seriously.
Simply stating certain dislikes does not require a person to drastically migrate to another country; it’s not life-threatening you know, it just means they have dislikes on cars and thus their ranting. But given a choice I think a few would wish they were never born here.
It is our rights to protect our own product, but it is not a forced choice. Most of the people here can only afford protons anyway, that’s why people (sub-consciously & forcefully) have to love proton.
That example you gave is so ignorant. It just shows how shallow a mind can be. Foreigners coming in and “stealing” your job could mean a host of reasons. That you’re probably not working hard enough, they have better skills, are less lazy, and have more money’s worth. Really, who is to blame? The foreigners for being better than you? Or yourself? It just explains everything now! Why am I even bothering, damn it.
To overcome that, you don’t run crying to the G to give you protection so that you can live comfortably in your own lil world. You get even with the competition or better still, upgrade yourself, learn new things, be better and have something that they don’t have.
It’s the survival of the fittest out there, in the real world no one is going to give you protection, and with proton so comfortably under the G, they wouldn’t stand one day out on their own. Proton should stop sucking milk and grow up.
And if it can’t even win the hearts of the local people faily without ‘cheating’, what more the world?
Boohoo the truth hurts.
Food for thought: If someone does “steals” your job dont go ranting about him. Start by looking at yourself and what you have done wrong or what you could have done better to protect yourself and your position. Most of the time, it’s probably you and what you brought to yourself.
Sorry for the off-topicness. It’s just an itch I had to scratch :)
Back to the topic: It’s still a Proton, just more expensive.
ok…so how many local fresh-graduate we have that are jobless?? well they do have a scroll, so they are qualify right?? most company choose immigrant because they cost much less salary than local people, not because they are more skilled. if u mind is so “broad” u’ve probably noticed it. In a way by having the foreigner having to pay for their permits and visa is another way to help jobless local so that they too have a chance to get a job. this is the comparison i’m trying to make here.
every country would protect their own, take for example the US, they even help them get enough fund to survive, those people here who defend proton are not “forced” to love proton, it’s our own national car, the car itself carries the name MALAYSIA with it. it’s the sense of pride of patriotic that we have, the same kind of feeling when we see the name Sepang F1 circuit, Malaysia in the international scene, or watching Datuk Nicol David being no.1 in the world.
i didn’t mean if u dislike proton u have to migrate to another country, it’s just if u dislike the policy here, or if u want to buy car at ur own rate without the tax and all, or maybe u just dislike this country, “boleh” land itself (like u said few would wish they were never born here) u are free to go and earn and spend ur money elsewhere, no one would stop u.
if u have a child, would u go on and compare everything to another’s child,complimenting them and at the same time de-moralizing ur own? instead, u give ur own the support he need to grow, maybe ur gonna twist this somehow just to justify ur view, but it just what parents do, they protect their children. same goes as this country’s G, they protect their own national automotive company.
Back to the topic: yup, It’s still Proton but an improve Proton, Lotus isn’t just a name and same goes for R3, and its’ a limited edition…even a limited edition 50cent coin gets a few -fold more of its price (to commemorate an occasion, WC, Summit etc…)
local grads these days dont have Qs worth the paper their degrees are printed on and have such a sense of entitlement that they will see and wait until the job meets their needs before taking it up. never mind that they dont speak proper english.
where is the pride in making crap cars that are sold much cheaper abroad than they are at home? and in this globalised era, p1 wants to stand alone when all other carmakers are joining up e.g. daimler and renault nissan, p1 still insist on “jual mahal” with VW.
you cannot nicol david with p1, that is an insult to her, she is no.1 because of her effforts and hard work, she is not given my leg up by the govt or preferential treatment.
p1 is p1 even if its a lotus, still p1 and lotus are not doing well as well for all their vaunted ability, how to survive when you can only sell 100+ cars a year.
so instead of trying to cut up ppl’s face for making their opinion, SEVEN take your 115k and buy some REAL perspective not the BOLEHland kind. and if you dont like what ppl say here just go to p1 lovey dovey site, good luck!
Again, the reasons for so many fresh-grads being jobless are caused by other host of reasons, and not only skin deep. A good majority of fresh-grads believe their job should be honorable or of some status because they have a scroll in their hand, that they should be paid a certain amount and would not take anything less etc. A repulsive mentality that has plagued a good deal of fresh-grads; egoism. Companies look for people way beyond a paper qualification, and to additional stuff like previous work experiences, the variations of jobs you have done etc etc (doesn’t matter if they are cheap jobs), because from that a person’s character can be read. If fresh-grads were actually more willing to do jobs below their “expectations” we wouldn’t see this as such an imperative problem. And sometimes, that’s what companies really want. To see things beyond what a naked eye can see.
Many sadly believe a scroll will cut it. Well, it doesn’t.
There are hundreds of vacancies out there. The word “jobless” has simply been commonly played as though there aren’t any jobs around, without realizing the entire picture. But it simply means people don’t have jobs. Not necessarily because there isn’t any, but because they don’t have a job that they prefer or like to do. Thus they’re “jobless”, it really isn’t as drastic as it sounds, some choosy people.
See, that’s what wrong with our generation, we selfish people always believe it’s never our fault and that someone else has to take the bullet. But that’s another whole story.
I’ve personally seen immigrants supervising local chinese in their job task, shocking I know, so I speak literally, they are besides cheaper, more skilled as well.
The thing about the G’s protection is, it will only get you so far before sooner or later you implode on yourself. Correct me if I’m wrong, the G’s protection towards proton in the beginning was to give them a head start and was suppose to be reduced later for proton to walk by itself (like any good parent is suppose to do and not protect them forever) but we still have not seen it come to past as per the supposed agreement with the FTA for a “level playing field” in SEA. But of course the G doesn’t want that. In the end? The outcome is just a 27 year old baby who still needs to grow up. They definitely have not taken advantage of the wonderful opportunity to be great.
And they give us these “cars” with tattered lazy Malaysian quality. Why? Because they know people will buy it regardless, because that’s what the general population can afford. And see where that got them? Huge loses. Seriously, it just shows how lackluster their desires are and that’s a waste. And all of a sudden they come out with this “racing car”? Damn just improve the overall quality of your damn cars first before you sudden decide to jump into racing now. Then maybe people will appreciate your efforts.
A good deal of people here I believe are simply disappointed in Proton resulting in them “bashing”. Although the rally one does surprisingly well, Proton should strengthen fundamental elements of a car before going for far fetched dreams. Yes I get Limited Edition, but the frayed image of Proton does not go away easy. Then again I guess it’s also because cars are essentially liabilities, more tangible used, and wear and tear undervalue where else other collectors item doesn’t have that so much like coins or gloves.
You know, screw it. Whatever. It was nice talking to you, but my free time is over. Do I hold the record for the longest post ever? :)
dickybird: is it an insult to be proud to have something that malaysian to be proud of? if u can’t read what i’m comparing don’t say it’s an insult, as a Malaysian we will always be proud of fellow Malaysian achievement and the progress of Malaysian product unless u’re like Mr.Seriously here who even let out a statement “wish they were never born here”. There always a reason for Proton and VW not having an agreement u can read it here if u want…just search for it : ) If i had 115k to spare, i would by this car as it will turns head to watch it, not the commonly seen Type-R or TRD or whatever..and don’t think all the malay, chinese, indian CEO of multi-million company can speak proper english, just something to ponder
Seriously: u do type a lot, but it really doesn’t get to the point of what’s we’ve been discussing, what i was making an example of is the need to have everything foreign charged to earn their profit from this country or would u just let them in with arms wide open FOC? that’s really the whole point rite? if Proton remains the same as the early years, if their cars are still as crappy as the first Saga i might agree with u, but I’ve driven Proton cars from the early Saga, to Wira, to Waja, and currently Persona and i can see their progress in quality and built quality, u can try test Proton current production cars chasis and engine, they do learn from their past, the goods and the bad…but all u can see is the negative side, i guess i’ll end it here rather than challenging u for “the longest post” title :) lastly, Malaysian loves their fellow citizen who made Malaysia proud, and Proton is one of them and i wish there would be others local car company would try to be like Proton having their own engine and chasis design or maybe better than Proton…who knows as long as it’s a Malaysian car…
I actually answer your point. “G’s protection towards proton in the beginning was to give them a head start…bla bla bla”. It’s not so much about FOC or letting foreigners earn profit, it’s an agreement they made already with the whole of south east asia. Read up on the AFTA.
I don’t want to be spelling everything out for you.
I do type a lot mostly answering to your examples and your views on it. If you had better examples or didn’t give any that I couldn’t correct, then maybe I wouldn’t be typing so much seriously. I’m neither for or against Proton in general, it’s a case by case. But I suggest you open yourself up to the world abit more and compare things not by Malaysian standards, but by world standards. And hopefully, you will see the light.
seven: what gives you this arrogant, holier than thou attitude over others who are not inclined to agree with you or have a different view to you? whether others choose to bash or support this latest marketing gimmick from proton, these people care enough to do so. and that is all good in my book.
no need to ask if i regret being born here, coz that is a stupid question, we cant choose where we are born nor our parents, that makes you an idiot for asking. so no thanks for asking.
as for CEOs, race doesnt count though it still seems to matter to you. some of these CEOS have been around a long time so if they dont speak good english you can put it down to lack of schooling in their day, but i EXPECT the fresh grads of TODAY to be very proficient in English but the FACT is they are not. heck maybe their datuk who is a retired drebar speaks better english than they do.
this satria turns heads? i betcha most ppl would turn their noses up instead. we have some very fine roads in this country, like simpang pulai to cameron highlands. but as long as G only know how to bergaya or insist on controlling proton then we will continue to pay thru the nose for protons and every other car in this country.
well..if u look on the negative of things it will always incline to be negative, oh well..and dickybird, do read the whole thing, word by word will ya…thanx
Wow, I can’t believe you can say that. Well, if you only have eyes on Proton, it will always incline to be pro-Proton as well right? Its amazing you can tell people that and not look at yourself first. Here I’m talking about how you should compare it to world standards and still you refuse to, wanting to live in your little hole.
It’s like I’m talking to a kid. You just made it very clear to me that I’ve just wasted so much time explaining facts when all you want to go is “No no no! I’m not listening to you!”.
Please tell me you’re at the most 12yo, cause then it wouldnt sound so bad but either way I’m done.
i’m not 12 yo..sorry to disappoint…i’m just a regular malaysian who love its country and wanna see its fellow citizen and company grow, and i support them..that’s all…we may not see eye to eye, but like u said u have ur view, and i have mine..well let’s just end it at that shall we…
to seriously, seven and dickybird. please get a life.
i seriously think this is not the place to talk about what you guys are talking.
and i must emphasize one thing. this is from my opinion:
proton and government are two different entity. if u hate government, please hate only the government. not hate proton as well. proton is protected by government: thats just how things should be. can you do something about it? yes, vote for the opposition.
Janet loves James and help James in whatever situation. and why la Tom must hate James? jealous? This page is about James, so Tom, please, if u must hate Janet, go to Janet’s blog and maki hamun la kat situ puas2.
Wow this thread is still pretty much alive! Amazing.
Ahh the “get a life” statement… a shallow move to project an illusion of superiority.
Tom doesnt like James because he thinks he is spoilt. Who to be blamed? Both. James because he doesnt know how to stand on his own and also because Janet is is spoiling him. We’re simply hitting 2 birds with one stone.
Two different entity linked together. I dont’ think you even read what we’ve been talking about. To bring up Proton would have to bring up some underlining G issues, that is inevitable. So since Proton has been protected, a logical person would think that proton would have been making great advances by now since it has not has to worry about competition? But we have yet to see that at all… yes abit, but they also went in reverse a few times.
Seriously: “Most of the people here can only afford protons anyway, that’s why people (sub-consciously & forcefully) have to love proton.”
hmm, well, i dont think you are wrong either. but, not everyone is ‘forced’. i can afford up to civic 2.0, but i chose proton. yes, it has flaws, but it never disappoint me. compared to last proton models, 2008 above is far better in reliability, quality and design. to me, tax is something u cant avoid. so, i made my choice. surprisingly, it is a good choice. no problem after 1 year owning, serving me well. ride and handling is on par (or better) than similar category imports.
but, if let say the tax isnt here, i prefer Japanese make like toyota unless proton solve the low end torque issue with small turbo, variable valve timing or whatever.
honestly, i can feel the improvement leap of proton nowadays. thats no lie. thats why i said, i am not forced to love proton. it should be, proton shows a good progress, so i kinda terharu with their effort despite the bashings. its fun to support proton. its like supporting an underdog team in World Cup. altho underdog, they are not that easy as the world thinks
every lotus have ohlin for suspension upgrade. now that they treat this neo as if a lotus.
just an example of a basic ohlin service, not sure of this type for what car,,
but to show how delicate the make of ohlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wTnui1iorg&feature=PlayList&p=0C73475A127D847B&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=4
Proton Satria Neo R3 Lotus Racing…hmm…good effort…but i can’t see the logic in it. Isn’t it kind of immature launching a car when all the team does is finishing last place in every race.
and we have a team that qualify every race, so what if they’re finishing last..it’s their first season, and the car is still a work in progress, do we see Singapore, Thailand or even the US have a team in the F1??
well, Thailand is known as the Detroit of the East, what are we?
S’pore has a NIGHT Race, we have a race that sometimes get flooded out! not to mention a great airport in Changi!
USA has got NASCAR, INDYCAR and CHAMPCAR, monstertrucks and truckosaurus! we got any of those?
they got so many other things, F1 is small fry la! lol!
point is, being in F1 has always been a team enterprise not a govt backed thing.
e.g. just coz we sent a pretty boy DR as a space tourist to the ISS doesnt make us a spacefaring nation. patriotism is expected of any citizen but blind patriotism insults all who are patriots.
to me, we will be way more suck if there is no Sepang track, F1 involvement and space tourist.
Thailand = detroit of the east. Thailand, they dont make cars. maybe not important to u, but ‘nothing’ is absolutely worse than ‘something’. engineering, development, job opportunity, capability development, economy.
USA=monstertruck, NASCAR?? wakakakaka. thats SYOK SENDIRI at its best!
Do u think nightrace singapore is something to be proud of? look at drivers review of the track.
For the space tourist, i also cant see the points la. wakakakaka. so, no comment.
u wanna talk bout Malaysia bring it on… we have few ESTABLISHED INTERNATIONAL COMPETITIONS, (Le tour de Langkawi, Monsoon Cup, F1 etc…) FYI Formula 1 is an international competition and get live coverage to billions of people all around the world, NASCAR, INDY..what?? calling F1 a small fry, do u even see Paul reviewing the Nascar/Indy or those truck race?? USA are known for popularizing the “American” sports which are only well-known only there (e.g American Football, Nascar), the rest of the world don’t even bother about them, and by the way..the US F1 team backed out..don’t u know??
Petronas is a corporate company, Lotus , Proton and their sponsor are all a company of their own, not backed by G, the only thing backed by G is the Sepang circuit itself but it’s only for the good of our country, the publicity of F1, the tourism it generate, the investment opportunities…
are we even claiming our country as a spacefaring nation?? everyone in this country knows they are space tourist but to be involved in space technology field is a good thing for the future generation.. get ur fact straight, as it really is just ridiculous of u to say others’ patriotism as blind when u’re blind to see ur own nation’s achievement?
and i suppose the 1malaysia sticker is paid for with peanuts that we pay monkeys at zoo negara then? not Govt backed f1 team, get your head out the sand and into the real world.
as i recall, 1 mp in govt wanted to buy the space capsule our space tourist rode in, take it apart and reverse engineer the space tech in it. do your research and get your facts straight!
its a sponsor not a backing…its good advertisement for our tourism, then should Petronas take away the “Malaysia” in Petronas mMalaysia sticker on the side of the car?? r u even a malaysian dude? kinda vague here…
we send a space tourist to outerspace, but don’t u see the positive impact? increase interest for the next generation in space technology…so what if they’re going to reverse engineer the space capsule, as long as u can research and obtain knowledge from it..its for the good, even Japanese reverse engineer a lot before their tech became so advance nowadays..so much negativity from fellow malaysian these days instead of support like the developed countries have from their citizen…its so sad
I don really mind if they are last or whatever, honestly. to participate and finish the laps for the very first season after very long kept quiet is good enough to me. talk about lotus, it does not remind F1, anyway. that brand is already well written in the sport performance dictionary.
to all basher yet ignorant i just wanna say one thing , you guys really good at know how ……………………………hahahaahha please shut up and just enjoy the show. you still pay a ticket for a movie you hardly knew how is all about , just because of the preview that lure everyone and yet after watching the movie everybody will do talk “should this, should that” and “sohai this , sohai that”. if you think you all better than whoever you cursing …………..TIU !!! go be one and just only how talk loh ………..lousy la you all
Shut up? You realize that this isn’t a movie right? Theses are comment boxes… see the “Leave a Comment”?
Haha I love comments like these… so ridiculously brainless, but I still enjoy replying em :)
yup that the point
still consider as a movie ……cause so much of anger and action around the comment so i just play apart as defender hehehehehe or a “2 5 guy” hahaha
…….cause malaysian always know how to talk only ma hahahaha
btw if you guy can copy exact and produce a “ayamas” brand OHLINS suspension please do so ………if you cant learn from here
http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/en/the-technology/
if by watching you also cant do it …..go contact them see how much you need to pay …..and get G to support you.
sure alot ppl here would like to have one of your “copy” creation.
Limited edition cars should reflect on the achievements of the car maker. NOT with the help of aftermarket parts and getting support from external companies. That itself just shows how weak Proton is and they are banking on Lotus to make it sell like a hotcake. Think about it guys.
If Honda can make the EK9 13 years ago that is as good as the Neo if not better without the help of fancy CF bonnets, AP racing brakes and Ohlins suspension, that itself already does not justify the price. :)
Thank you!
Although, Proton technically owns Lotus but I hope people get the bigger picture :)
come on la.. do you think ferrari, veyron, prosche & any other car manufacturer make their own suspension? their own brakes? their own fuel and lubricants?
there is simply no 100% made by single manufacturer.
brakes and suspensions are small parts, but if the manufacturer build everything by themselves, the cost is going to be high. Kayaba, GAB, Monroe produce suspensions for various manufacturers and they could get very low manufacturing cost because the economy of scale is far greater than developing for single manufacturer.
Yes, no doubt that car makers do not make their own parts. But lets look at limited edition cars out there like the Enzo, FXX, Reventon, etc. Does the car maker go around to show off that they have carbon brakes? No, they are banking on their reputation and achievement as a selling point which makes the owners realize that that is the car worth every single penny.
Simply owning an almost defunct car maker and throwing in money to them to ask them to build or tune a ‘sports’ car with aftermarket parts is not the way to go.
so you’re saying Lotus has no reputation and not worth buying?
you’re comparing cars worth hundreds of thousands and even million ringgit to 115k car… of course the 115k has less exotic parts and less engineering works done on it. they are not developing a brand new model and bare in mind that they have very short time in their hand.
of course for 115k, it’s worth every penny. if it’s 200k, then it makes no sense.
Bullshit…if it is more than 200k also you and your friends will say its worth. no metter what U will support blindly. Pls use your brain la this kind of people who make others life suffer. good say good la….not good why need say its good….be honest la.
No. Perhaps you should read and understand what I’ve said.
I said that a limited edition car should reflect on ACHIEVEMENT of the car maker.
Ferrari is now under the Fiat group. But do you see Fiat creating something that says “Ferrari handling”? No. Or do you see Ferrari creating the FXX but raving about the parts that they have on it? No.
The parts altogether is one thing. The achievement and the effort put into it, is entirely a different story. If you have the money, anyone would’ve been more than glad to get the parts for you and soup it up for you.
and 13 years ago for Honda is 49 years old already. Proton was just 13 years old back then… you’re comparing a Form1 student to someone who almost retire in term of experience!
give them some time to develop more. I believe Proton is a fast-learner….
In that case, don’t you think if Proton started later, that would’ve gave them even more advantage considering that they could R&D and improve on existing technologies rather than fiddling around with older technologies? :)
I agree that existing technology is there, but most are kept guarded for their own benefit, even though we obtain it ,we still need to research and develop it..its not all plug n play…and that will take time and a lot of investments
exactly!
can you find latest engine from toyota installed in Myvi?
even Mitsu gave old engines to our previous Saga, Wira & Waja…
they’re not sharing their latest technology, so we have to R&D ourselve. that’s why acquiring Lotus is the right decission :)
stupid decision in acquiring lotus… wasting tax payers money! now, we need to talk about making cars in term of profit in order to fight internationally…
Honda, its not stupid at all.
without lotus, i think proton will be shittier. at least with lotus, can get the ride and handling, which amazes outsiders despite the small thin wheels of saga BLM. search S16 review by customer advice australia.from that advantage alone can win lots of customer from perodua too. thats to me, a brilliant step!
Fraz006. That is not entirely true. Read Top Gear magazine under the buyers guide section. JC have personally said that “Don’t be fooled by the badge”.
Aku mmg sokong satria neo R3… mmg power.. price pn power rm115000..
tp kete tu 2pintu.. leceh la… tengok honda civic type R, mitsubisihi evo, subaru wrx, sume nya pintu 4, baru la cantik… walau pintu 4, tp power beb… jdi pikir kan lah.. kalau 2pintu tp power,aku byk duit pn malas nak beli.. jdi proton R3 upgrade la GEN2, kan kete mula2 guna campro.. skg aku rasa gen2 mcm di abaikan je.. ko org lbihkan satrianeo dgn pesona je.. aku pakai gen2 bengang je… aku pn sokong kete malaysia jga.. jdi mula dr skg R3 pikir la…
they use Neo for this limited edition because racers use Neo for race, not Gen2. we usually find Neo on tracks and rally compared to Gen2. at least Gen2 get CPS, Persona and Saga doesn’t.
da ade pun gen2 R3, yg special MME Edition dulu tu
Honda type R UK 2 pintu dan hatch back jugak
kereta del sol lg laju
guess what..some people just don’t understand the meaning of collectors item…this is collectors item in proton class..no comparison with other..its just that some people already have bad ideas on national cars…
Haha… with this kind of money, i myself get a bit car like honda civic isnt? in terms of spacing, quality, safety and after sales service, which one better? think about it…
Proton and LS Industrial to make an all-electric NEV? Details?
LS Industrial signed something with Phoenix Motors last year.
Paul, would u mind if i wanna know the code color for this R3’s.. email please
Anyone who thinks this car has value is a real wanker… You’ve got to have your brain at your ass to belief this is a performance car.. another great con job from the R3 group.. well done for another rip off…
limited edition so the price will increase?? my god.. this car is made for ass holes who feed off proton cars.
we made our first car 30 years ago.. the saga. my god were we ahead of the world. 30 years later.. we dont even have a car whereby any other country in the world would love to have..
EMAS? thats a rolling turd..
look at hyundai.. look at kia.. look at the China’s BYD
interesting concept but we already have the Smartfor2, the shopping trolley with a turbo! lol! that has got to be more fun! some more i feel we should do more green diesel engine RnD (so dont say i never contribute idea and only criticise proton) coz we have lots of palm biodiesel. and euro diesels run alot further than any petrol hybrid which is why europeans still not yet fall in love with hybrids coz their gfs are diesel ma.
check the bluemotion golfs and polos. be green and have fun at the same time!
according to like the ads i seen online and offline.. the neo has a pretty good resale value. they still retain around 60% of the resale value after 3 years. That is not bad at all. Just because there are not many around, it does not mean no one wants it. Open your eyes, and you can actually see a good number of Neo 1.3, Neo 1.6, Neo 1.6 H line, Neo Lite on the road..
its just like the Trueno AE86. It appreciate higher than its original price since it was first introduced :-)
who knows rosyam noor here?
i heard he bought one…
How come this car was not in iron man 2 ha ha ha. Just hate the centre exhaust
Where u gonna get AP racing big brakes and ohlins multivalve adjustable suspension for 3k i wonder — Paul Tan
First of all you don’t need such good brakes to stop 145bhp hahahahaaa..
after review all comment here , i think most person who claim this car a bad idea doesn’t have single clue bout what is engineering, always comment on engine performance without relate to other thing , instead of giving bad opinion why dont u give some suggestion to help improve the design capability ,design efficiency, safety enhancement, life cycle, end of life,control engineering ,manufacturing ability,vibration and etc, there are lots of thing need to be considered b4 any car can be produce , plz be positive and supportive of our own product ..korean people can do that why dont we …. maybe proton have a bad reputation back few years, this also happen in other car manufacturer either big or small company..(First of all you don’t need such good brakes to stop 145bhp hahahahaaa.)–> r u automotive engineer if yes give me safety factor and stress description of the brakes complete with material description and relate to thermal expansion at 200km/h..if u can convince me there is specific brakes for certain type of bhp…then u can call ur statement is valid..
what maybe, proton had a BAD rep a few years back?! they DEFINITELY had a bad reputation.
since when they did ever care about customer feedback? these are the guys that brought the T-box juara, and powerless power windows. such a sad sight to see at toll booths, proton drivers opening thier doors to pay toll.
so it is understandable for the people to get down on proton when they sell shit cars and expect us to say thanks for it.
the koreans work hard at improving to BEAT the japs while we are content to say that we are better than Ghana coz we have a car industry they dont. that is the KEY difference.
hehe most of proton power windows component made by the vendors, since when do you think they dont care bout customer feedback please enlighten me,do u familiar with quality control and quality inspection why dont u suggest to proton to make a strong qc and qa team, implement more quality tool(fmea, standard) ,calibrate all instrument frequently etc. I’m no expert but still if i want to condemn something i’ll give something in return. This is how japanese and koreans achive what they have 2day, they help each other . Ghana? plz do more research than u ill understnd
correction quality assurance not quality inspection..fyi im only 22yr old n i just finish my degree in (mechanical-industrial) engineering,n mayb i ill go for my masters degree if i dont get any job for the next 3 month, i bet that u r older and experienced than me, if yes can u be a little bit rational mister dickbird, juara model is already history , y dont u mention tiara model also..be rationa plzl..
very rationally a customer does not give a toss what kind of engineering detail or QA or QC things you do or how many years of carmaking you have done. we pay very high car prices as a proportion of our income and what we get is not really up to the mark. it is not cheap and cheerful motoring, which how our p1 and p2 carmakers sell to foreign markets.
why should i supply you with details of whatever design miscellany? you claim to be a graduate engineer, so you must be able to do research, unless of course, you were spoon fed all the way thru uni?
as for proton, i guess you were still in diapers when they proudly announced that they had german TUV standards certification for their cars. where is that now?
maybe you will inderstand when you finally have the mone to buy a proton.
and it is dickybird to you, ah hai.
RM115k….. there is a lot of car to choose with this amount of money
yes, can buy a second hand bus too.. :D
i sokong merlino! we need investment in public transit and no more grants for defunctish proton.
otherwise, just buy a grand livina and save the rest! lol! just got 1 and IT IS SWEEEET!
and dont forget to get ur Japanese citizenship :-)
since when did buying a japanese car equate with having japanese citizenship?! i guess that is the kepala lembu logic or anak malaysia logic born of sekolah kebangsaan. if like that you can keep your malayan citizenship and i as SABAHAN can keep mine and my GAS AND OIL TOO!
DR M was the one who came up with the look east policy, why dont u ask him to go back to japan since he so doesnt like the look of life in the kampung such he wants invite all these pendatang jepun?!
so all those minister and BN elite are you gonna tell them to go to hell in germany or italy since they for sure have a porsche or ferrari in the drive?
are u sure everything u buy is made in malaysia? the pc you are using to post that inane comment is probably made in china, so dont forget ur china kui citizenship! as if the lotus doesnt have any japanese parts or IP in it? it still a MITSUBISHI CYBORG knock off in case you ALL have lupa.
ayoyo mister dickybird..are u serious or just making fun of us.. grand livina??? so adorable hehe, 1st im sorry my i spell wrong ur name, 2nd i just sharing information about the final process b4 any product can be delivered in case la u want to suggest anything to proton, i do own a car sir ,proton satria 1.6, already 3 years since i bought from my uncle and believe it or not this machine have been in service about 16 years without any major problem even till now this car can achieve around 160-170kmph(no modification) steadily without any prob whatsoever ..yes i do understand sir many ppl cant afford other car except p1 n p2 cars… i came from a family that cannot afford new car even p1 or p2,my parent always keep emergency money so we have cash when the car broke down…i grew up in an envirment whre all the ppl despise proton car ..always comparing this and that condemn on everything, by doing that what do u think they will get, of course nothing..haiya specification and standard always change sir, orait in 80’s test requirement for TUV certification not as complicated as today, who knows by that day maybe proton pass all the test with min requirement , every standard specify quantity or statement for any section applicable , each quantity(numbers) have minimum and maximum section, each statement cover min requirement n max requirement… if our product is certified under international organisation we can export n insured our product to the country that recognized that cert…ish2 y dont u just ask me to do thesis entitled comparison between proton and toyota..haha..silly me sorry..
well the livina fits my needs as a family man, i would have liked to get a FOCUS but too small for right now. now there is a car that HANDLE even in stock trim.
owning a car from makbapak money is not the same as paying for it urself. so i take it you have spent the most important years of your adult life in kg malaysia, you will only know what is best in malaysia. go out and see the world and you will despair like my friends and i have, at where we stand in the world and how much better we can be had our abundant natural resources been used properly. sadly, the majority are held hostage by the govt of the day using poverty to keep them docile and dumb.
as for ur “thesis” reply, i am not asking u to do anything, other than to stop defending the indefensible things that proton have done.
sebab nak jaga maruah or muka dr m, we malaysians have to drive expensive cars and fill them up with increasingly expensive petrol. if this govt really dahulukan rakyat, why is there not more investment into public transit instead they continue to under-invest and thus compel them to buy cars with v long HP terms. do not confuse specification with quality, people complain the basic quality of p1 first of all, it is still a major bugbear. my myvi brand new, alignment lari, wtf! dont you agree, steering alignment is v important 4 safety yet they can overlook it?! and dont tell me 50k is v cheap ma, what u expect?!
baik beli mitsubishi lancer beb huhu harge dekat sama dah
You’re comparing a 4 door Sedan and 2 door hatch ? different market segment ..kot.
Anyway, Mitsu’s are going to have a tough competion with rebadge Waja.
cheers,
Merlino: yes, can buy a second hand bus too..
Ha pandai….bandingkan harga kereta dengan harga bas…..
Kalu mcm tu baik beli Van Ford Maxi…bleh angkut pekerka kilang or sewa org kawin dari beli kereta…..
Or beli motor EX5 n simpan dulit lebih dalam ASB
Tak paham ……….
RM115k for a Sat.Neo.. ARE YOU STUPID?? i would rather buy a new mitsu.lancer & smoke the monkey ass anyway around
the car name make me think of a old movie…..haha, try to guess !
Neo..are u there…
Neo run Neo…..
He is the One…..wahahahaha
Neo, i think u have something for me..
If i rich, that good to buy EVO10 than satria neo…
for this car i only have 2 to comment…d engine is good allready,but d design i can say o.k la…harga mahal la bro,,better take honda civic type r..anyway,still can show off with it if i buy…hahaha
..but It is sad as Honda is discontinuing the FD2R. Your suggestion would cost customer to spend an additional RM100,000 to purchase.
It’s a different class of market. So many other cars in that category, eg. VW Golf GTi, Renault Megane R26 etc.
it is only different market segment due to the unreasonable taxes that the govt levies on such cars. even with such ridiculous taxes, our local car prices are also very high! and now our petrol is going to get even more expensive with the subsidy rollback! wtf! when are we going to stop subsidising this jaga air muka dr M projek known as proton, when we the rakyat will soon have to pay full whack for everything?! u proton apologists tell me the answer, since you can always see the bright side of proton, when do you see them rising to great company to rival the germans and japs, and doing their thing without govt help, and when the ppl will trip over themselves just to buy a proton! when? or is proton like perkasa, 4ever askign for govt aid?!
Nice exterior..feel sorry for the engine..should use turbo engine(project phoenix)
I managed to test drive this NEO CPS last week at COE.
NEO CPS R3 tu bodykit je ade kt COE
TP pelik gak, salesgirl tu kata baru 10 biji laku,uhhuuh
NEO CPS Superb handling, power on par.
Manage to tekan until 160 km/h around COE, really impressed me.
Salesgirl duduk sebelah terjerit2,hehehe
Exterior design is so attractive, maybe interior is a too fair.
Yesterday manage to cucuk this car at DUKE highway, not bad
I think at lower gear its really under power, but at third it was quite responsive,
so ok la 1.6 CPS, tp kalau ade problem hntr service hntr,hrp2 la dpt jawapan technical yg ok
Hi MivecTRB,
I rasa you naik kereta Neo CPS MT production. Neo R3 Lotus Racing dah hampir dijual semuanya dan tak ada test drive unit available dekat showroom.
Kalau ada pertanyaan utk produk ini, call direct R3 atau Crystal Showroom, COE.
terima kasih.
yeah those 25 are lucky fools indeed..
yg dok kutuk ni ingat,25 orang yang beli tu kemungkinan dah ada sebijik/dua mitsu@mazda@toyota@ honda terperuk dekat rumah diorang.. so xyah dok komen kalau >100k baik beli itu ini..model ni bukan untuk laymen ye..keep it up proton!!
Its a Suzuki Swift Sport and Honda Civic 1.6 challenger.One of my friend’s who owns BMW 5 series also bought this car for his “go to work” car.Ever race with a Honda Civic 1.8 and the performance is almost on par,Even on highways with speed of 170kmh the handling is superb,The Civic owner gave up at last upon entering a tight corner,Performance is adequate for a normal aspirated race tuned car but i do hope the price will be slash to 96k maybe?
115k i would like to choose the second hand Golf Gti just 160k+ :) 2.0 turbo and branded VW!
with 115k i can get the second hand recon subaru sti forester(limited edition) which definately faster than this satria la.
how limited edition also…. once proton name… it become sampah edition..
remember satria got so many special edition… guess what the price now?
Top Gear tested Gen.2 and they said its a sustainable car. But, it seems all exported Proton car’s handling done by Lotus but they said it doesn’t seems to be like that. They even labelled that there are no proper cars made by Malaysians and Koreans. I know that Proton has just started their journey. Who said new comers can’t excel?? Proton should be more creative and being analytical for every single project that they involve regarding to Proton Cars. Instead of re-badging Japanese cars like what happened to Mitsubishi Lancer to Proton Inspira and modification done from some Japanese cars such as Proton Wira and Putra. They should create cars based on their own innovation and creativity. Besides, they should avoid using the “Handling Done By Lotus” tags as it looks like Proton seeking for a fame. They should use their own technology on this matters. With this, I’m sure Proton can excel like what Honda, Toyota and Nissan doing in their range. Proton has Lotus in Super Cars range so they don’t have to bring Proton Cars in Super Cars line. What Proton need to do right now is to introduce a new car of its own with superb quality at reasonable price. It will confirm it’s excel.