Reader Fahmil spotted the elusive “Waja Lancer” soon to be launched out in the open near Masjid Kapitan Keling in Penang last Friday, along with an Exora ‘escort’.
It was actually raining, and Fahmil was so excited that he jumped out of his car and snapped the new Waja in the rain!
The new Waja is essentially a badge engineered Mitsubishi Lancer and this particular car clearly already has the Proton nose applied on it as the front end is completely taped up.
You can see some horizontal bars on the front grille like the ones found on the Persona and the Exora though, so the family resemblance is definitely there.
Look after the jump for the rest of the photos.
GALLERY: New Proton Waja replacement based on Mitsubishi Lancer
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GALLERY: Proton Exora ‘escort’ for the Waja replacement
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Oh dear, the price of Lancer will drop…
definitely since they gonna price this at 70k to 80k+…..
dun ever thing Proton will re badge it for less than 80K…
for 80-90K, sure you can get a 1.8… 2.0cvt should be ~90K-100K.. it shall be grateful if the price around ~90K.. as a partner with mitsu do you thing they willing to kill the CBU Lancer??
unless mitsu left pocket out and right hand pocket in…then it make sense mitsu will granted the CKD for protom.. win win business partner..
I willing to choose Sentra, Honda City or Livina rather than 80-90k Waja Replacement with 1.8-2.0. I think it’s worst for my money in order getting a quality car.. do u agree?
It might be less than 75k for new Waja.. if that Waja’s price going up to 80k-90k, it doesn’t make sense. Proton cekik darah…M’sian gov has not imposed 300% tax on Proton la… Just my cent.
better buy honda civic 2.0…..just 100k only…but the engine n body very good
u jealous???? proton the best
it will be ard 80k-90k….
but their took our exora n pesona for sale in japan.. fare n square ..
is it..??i support proton forever…
Coming in 1.8(M) – 75K
1.8(A) – 79K
2.0(A) CVT – 90K++
drop kaw kaw liao, all hard earn money will gone……………..
or once, i hope proton will use their own brain and develop something on their own… It has been 25 years and they still copying others. Kia, even though many of us look down on it, has leaped many years forward than proton. they are younger than proton. forte was chosen as the best sedan in US. i was happy when they came out with exora, something that they developed on their own but now…. hopeless. because of this, we have to buy good quality cars for very expensive price just to save proton. I bet, most of the fatal accidents involves malaysia car. you are more likely to die if you are driving proton and involved in accident. prove me wrong. phew…stil struggling with power window!!!
Hi Sattian. You are 10000% correct!
You hv so many talented people… engineers. But still depends on Japan. Funny.
another one people who didn’t use the brain when say something!!
it’s true if u say there are so many talented people in Malaysia. But, can u say how many automotive engineer in Malaysia? the only true automotive engineer who can design and develop a car are at Proton. but the number of them so small. at other car manufacturing company like perodua, naza , nissan, they are not automotive engineer, but only production/manufacturing engineer who not have capability to design and produce a car. i’m the one people in automotive field know what the exact happen in automotive field.
we not depend on japannese, but the rebadge only as a marketing strategic done by proton and mitshubishi.
i owned honda civic 1.8 (new) then sold and now owned new accord.. i thought being supreme brand , the car is good, but no. its the worst car ever. 1st the brake.. is very substandard, power stering noisy, handling also noisy. i’m so upset but now cannot sell it cause rugi banyak so pakai je lah. befor these two i ade persona. handling dan senyap is better than honda.
so guys really some proton models is indeed good. just that of course previous history leave the stigma…
Ashley: how’s the civic?, i’m planning to buy a 1.6 one.
now im using my old saga, which because of low cc can’t overtake smoothly..
Who ever use his brain then buy a proton car will be the most stupid buyer. You are getting low quality car, old fashion design car or even most unwanted car in this world. You know why I said so…bcos after 25 years , PROTON never change their concept of design , more on ‘ciplak’ing model. So stupid……
I think you’re forgetting the Waja, which was, partially helped by Mitsubishi as they borrowed their engine.
Nevertheless I think it’s easy to snipe at Proton because of their past with substandard parts. But I have some faith in the national car maker in making an effort to develop cars. If you look at the Gen 2, it was horrible from the design and ergonomics. But when the Persona came out, a lot of the complaints were fixed and minor redesign of parts and interior made the car much better.
If you have not taken a test drive in their Satria and Persona, I think you are missing out alot because these 2 cars, on the very least, have serious handling capabilities.
Many people or proton-bashers as I like to call them, love criticizing Proton as they had a horrible history in reliability. I think most Proton faithful would tell you the cars now are much better than what was produced 10 years ago.
Sure, we pay more for foreign made/badged cars, and it’s a government policy to do such a thing to protect proton. You could call me a nationalist, but not many nations can say that they have their own car industry, yet alone a national car. I know I’m gonna get flamed for this, but what other country, other than the 1st world countries, such as Germany and Japan, have a proper national car? Even Germans have bad things to say about their own car makers. Toyota ain’t that fantastic either. A lot of people say that if Toyota were to price their car in a free, open environment, it could easily rival Proton. True, but have you considered the price of ownership of a Toyota? At the end of the day, owning a Toyota isn’t cheaper than a Proton. Sure, if all parts were made to last, and Proton is trying their best, it’s easy to see that owning a Proton isn’t too bad and is cheaper to own than a Toyota. Of course, I’m saying all this, as my family and I own Toyota’s and a Proton. It’s always easy to criticize. At least with Proton, the change is noticeable, albeit can be slow.
Just because they choose to rebadge a Lancer wouldn’t mean that they have no idea or “no brains” as you put it. I’m not ‘protecting’ Proton from critical, constructive comments, but your comments are just spiteful. Not constructive at all. In any case, Proton is trying to fill a market gap just as they see fit, and probably mean that they need to do it fast. At least they took effort in putting in a new model rather than continue with the Waja. The previous lifespan of Proton models were more than 10 years before, and now at least they took initiative.
That said, has it occured to you that Mitsubishi is well known for their chassis design? Imagine they take that, and ‘blend’ it with a handling of a Lotus? In my opinion, it’s going to be an exciting car to look forward to. They’re attempting to make a fabulously popular car, better. I don’t know about you, but that sounds exciting.
Not to mention, since the Waja Replacement Model is sharing the same platform as the current Mitsubishi, that would also mean modding the car would be easier, since aftermarket parts of the Mitsubishi are so easily available.
The more I talk about it, the more excited I am about it. I don’t know about you, sour grape.
to have a national car at the expense of the citizen?? i dont think so… the money can be used wisely in other developments to improve our poor quality public transport services
I don’t like the idea of re-badging proton with japanese made. IMHO, proton design chasis were more superior than japs. Try honda civic and you will know why (albeit the engine performance).
what a whole lot of rubbish, I thought I was reading Proton’s paid-editorial in Utusan Malaysia’s website! Are you expecting a ‘brownie point’ from Proton for this? Sheesh.
Well.. the collaboration is part of proton efforts of cost control. Proton, for the past 3 – 4 years has been reorganizing its product lines in order to have greater cost efficiency. One of its efforts are to have collaboration with Mistubishi for its waja/perdana replacement model. By doing this, Proton can tackle the 1.8 – 2.0 liter market segment and at the same time put in more effort in developing its saga/persona/exora platforms (note.. not models.. but platforms).
Developing cars from scratch is not cheap (installing the turbo module onto the current campro engine cost Proton RM80 mil by the way… so you can imagine how much is needed to develop a waja or perdana-like model). And having too many platforms to develop at the same time would complicate matters further at the expense of quality.
analyzer…be cool. I bought an Exora and happy with it and I still keep my Honda Civics-FD and 2nd Generation. As for me my Exora,Civic FD and Civic 2nd Gen each come with its on character. I drive more my Exora lately than my Civic FD….i m proud and happy. I waited years for a real Proton and now i got one—>my Exora
i Agreeeeeeeeeeddddd 1000000%..
i can wait for the real evolution for Lancer GT… with a lotus handling! WOW!
tired la to explain to guys like this..
this is not ONLY copying, they have reach an agreement where mitsubishi use exora platform while proton given rights to rebagde this lancer.
again with power window. compare to KIA with serius engine (Naza Ria) and gearbox (Spectra) problem
agreed..
some ppl just leave a comment without using their head..
in +ve way, proton provides solution to buy ‘lancer’
yeah
go go proton
Agree with you…why does KIA becomes KIA as we know right now??..because they received support from their own local people eventhough the car was worse. But through the support from their government and people, KIA becomes KIA that we know of today because the koreans worshipped them…ive drove lots of proton cars from the first generations of until the latest models…ive felt improvement…lots of improvements…you can call me stupid or idiot but if you wanted me to choose between honda civics, accords, persona and gen-2, i will personally choose persona or gen-2…dont kept looking at the flaws but look at the improvement…dont expect a 25 years old car company with their own local people condemning them can emerge to be like toyota or honda…and lets not forget that toyota and honda also got some quality isues but people doesnt talk about them much because they are honda or toyota…
Also, KIA has been around waaay longer than Proton, what are you talking about? Proton rebadged cars for the first half of their life and are only NOW making their own cars for the past 12 years or so. KIA as a car company started in 1974. So check your history first.
yes certainly a great setback. Proton has started well ‘by doing their own’ with Neo, Persona and Exora. These models reflect Proton’s originality that were developed on its own resources. I bought the Exora after years of waiting for a ‘real’ Proton and I am happy with it. But with this WajaLancer Proton is no different from Perodua- patch and paste. Regret that Proton top management has decided to reverse the gear. …
sattian…..!!!!
i think u r among the people who didn’t understand what mean of calobration. For youe information, proton and mitshubishi have done an agrement which misbshi give lancer to proton and they get pesona for exchange. the rebadge model is one of marketing strategy. don say proton copying mitshubishi car, because they not copy, but rebadge the car..
we should proud wif proton because proton is the only company in Malaysia which design and produce its own car based on previous model like pesorna, gen2 waja satri nea blm and ezora. why u not condem preodua who copy toyota passo? why should proton to be blame. use ur brain bro..
i’m proud wif proton. to design a car not an easy task. a car have more than half millian part. every part must be design properly to produce it. can u do? in malaysia, we still didn’t have enought automotive enggineer, not as others field. the problem is automotive field not a luxury field to be join. not as oil n gas. so many graduate from automotive field didn’t continue thier way in automotive field.
Dude, please go for English classes, your grammar and spelling is quite Embarrassing. I would be personally humiliated if i were to dish someone but sound like a fool.
forget about grammar or proper english, he’s not writing for PHD in English literature here. he’s just trying to make a point,no matter how oblivious that may be
ill be more humiliated to have such rude manner such as yours abc, shame on you!
no matter how it been explain, i love it…dont get embarrassing to be here in malaysia..if you dont support malaysia…abc..which country did you from..??
Shame on you abc. We are not here to learn grammar. Shove an English dictionary up your butt ! Tq Sir.
Totally 100% agreed with u bro
…..most of the fatal accidents involves malaysia car. Still remember what happen to Princess Diana in Merz? Plz wake up, give a fair comment.
is a Volvo, I think~
fatal accidents involves malaysia car because it happen in MALAYSIA la ngok.. nobody talk about britain, china, alaska, peru…
Most accident happened involves car made in Malaysia because the number of Malaysian made cars on the road is relatively higher than foreign brands. We cannot blame this to the quality of Proton because there is no direct link to road accidents and Proton’s quality. Just my 2 cents.
to songorgon, i think proton must have their own automotive engineer. but they lack of ideas. i think they hired pekerja yang kurang kreativiti untuk design bentuk kereta yang canggih, elegen , garang mcm honda dan mitsubishi. why spain can produce great car seperti SEAT yang dapat masuk WTCC skrg…. why? kereta SEAT juga nampak canggih dan garang. padahal SEAT baru jer kita kenal….why proton can be like that. build a canggih car dengan engine yang besar. i think ada mamat yang dapat reka engin sendiri satu ketika dahulu. engin model E101 kalau tak silap i. mana perginya mereka skrg…why proton tak encourage them…. senyap sepi skrg engin tu…. kalau tak silap i persona yang keluar tu pun hasil rekaan kumpulan engineer proton yang terdiri daripada ramai perempuan daripada lelaki. bukan nak lemahkan perempuan, tapi u know what i mean.. lelaki yang banyak pakai kereta kan. when persona was lunch dulu, i ingat ia akan nampak lebih garang….padahal yang keluar, kereta yang lebih panjang sedikit daripada gen2……alahai….. keep going proton…..bina kereta guna acuan kita sendiri….modified jer persona dan waja tu jadi lebih canggih dan garang….perbaiki kelemahan yang terdahulu…belajar dari kesilapan….don’t busy nak ambik desing orang lain…buktikan yang malaysia boleh……kita join mitsubishi dulu cuma nak belajar dia punya teknologi…so skrg why takder kekuatan lagi selepas dah 25 years….?
Betul…!!!! 3000x
betul….100000x
SEAT guna platform volkswagen, SEAT pun macam Proton jugak, bagde engineering, tengok SEAT Alhambra, share platform dengan FORD Galaxy/Volkwagen Sharan
wahh bernass…….NISSAN….still my fav and i do drive nissan too….my 10 years old nissan are btter than saga blm…y i say that coz my wife has 1 n she like my car btter that her’s more smooth nice conering and speed? of course NISSAN…erk sorie…
Even to built a software from scratch to meet the people needs is really hard to do and takes million of ringgit just for the R&D. Inikan pulak sebuah kereta.Juz my 2 cent…
i dont think so.
Malaysia probably has very good and creative engineers. I think Proton might under contract with Mitsubishi that unable them to propose their own model.
Who knows?
Exora.. copy from Mitsubishi Grandis
i beg to differ. with 2.0 engines and some extra toys compare to Proton’s line up of a 1.6 and a 1.8, the demand for mitsu is likely going to be reasonable. still above 90K la, definitely.
If I’m a current Lancer owner, I’d jump off the building right now.
4 years down the road, people will just conclude that my Lancer is a Proton.
current waja cosr 65K so the new one if can be like with price tag for this car from 65-70K using their 1.6 campro cps model M-line 16″rim. H-line with leather seat and full dual airbag, ebd and gps, 17″rim might be cost near to 85-90k ^^ or might be add modded r3 ekzos system (fuyoh~!) and some carbon fibre add another 10k (sport version) with 18″rim ^^
tats right… u can do nth n most of the ppl will change the proton badge to Mistubishi…
yeah rite.. and most people change perodua badge to Toyota / Daihatsu badge.
I owned 1 too.. don’t be in this segment if you have no brains… focus on malaysian market.. do not spoil others.. we already pay high tax to save proton! see what happened to perodua nautica (=toyota rush), I never see nautica on the road. Do you think japan selling proton exora (CBU)? I hope this car fail! I also think, those proton buyer will change everything on the same day they receive the car… many ah-beng shops.
no need to beg differ la, they using same engine 2.0, haha.
This is so stupid…I tot proton no more copycat…
and guys who bought Lancer sure shock, coz Proton Lancer also can join their Lancer Club… hahahahahaha
aril ni mesti minat nak pakai lancer nih…tapi tak kesampaian…..kesian……
Either Lancer price will drop or Proton price go up? I don’t think any will happen…like Wira & Lancer…no different. But I’m glad Proton bringing another quality Mitsubishi product to Malaysian. But one thing I hope is they use Campro engine, not Mitsubishi…if use Mitsubishi we’ll see a new generation of “Wira Evo” causing more accidents & deaths on our roads.
Complain, Complain, Complain…. what else can you all do.
If you think designing is easy, then design one.
If you think it is easy to built and build one.
What on earth came out perfect?
Nothing perfect and definitely not even us. So… why complaining.
If you want it, you buy it but if you don’t just, shut the hell up!
For those who has problem with Proton, tell it to Proton.
We should proud of our product.
And for Proton, I think they listening! To me, you and all of us!
They have their goals.
Imagine that EVO were firstly and originally made by Proton, what do you think?
I’ll be proud!
Even Toyota have problem, so do Honda, and many others.
But they change. Why don’t we accept changes.
Rebadged? No problem!
As long as Proton want to here what people going to say about their weaknesses,
learn and built something new.
Everything starts from somewhere.
We start from here.
just price it right & bank interest should be same as Original Lancer? NATIONAL CAR LOAN INTEREST ALWAYS HIGH!!!
so wok..
what do u expect from comment column here???
lyrics from Celine Dion songs?.. cake recipe?.. Manchester game schedule?..
erotic story?…
dia tak expect apa2…cuma dia mau lani orang semua berhenti dok buat komen2 ni semua…dan beli proton sebab dia pun buka satu cawangan dok juai reta proton ni…tu yg dok rasa mcm geram sangat ni ..awat la depa2 ni semua dok complain pasai proton ni…in future kalu nak malaysian branded cars,make by malaysian people,built in malaysian soil,used malaysian source…1st nak habaq bagi..produce la anak2 malaysian yg cerdik pandai,genius,berwibawa,intergreti,budi pekerti,berhemah tinggi…asyik dok kempen mari membaca…mari bersenam…mari mengamalkan gaya hidup sihat…mri itu mari ini tapi tak pernah ada kempen nak membina satu bengkel mari berinovasi…bengkel pembangunan otomotif rekaan dlm semua segi tak kira mekanikal,kejuruteraan mahupun reka bentuk…yg dok ada hanya untuk budak2 sekolah saja,itu pun pasai nak masuk pertandingan…banyak pomen2 kat malaysia yg boleh modified jadi mcm2…belambak kat jln raya,hari2 boleh tengok mcm reka bentuk…yg penting kalu nak semua boleh jadi nak habaq bagi…hangpa pernah tengok waja ada sayap mcm ‘lambogini’ ada kuasa Vtec tapi bukan enjin v tec…bunyi mcm ferrari tapi WAJAri…haaaa…hangpa tak pernah tengok lagi ni…hangpa mai penang mcm2 ada…suma tak boleh terbang lagi je..klau boleh terbang tak la aku..tapi dlm usaha nak buat mcm back to the future punya kereta…la ni kereta terbang dah ada hangpa jgn tak tau…
wok y r u mad? tis is forum we share…not private room 3 or 4 people only can hear…if u cannot tahan with people say y dx u just read bur dx write…u think proton listen to wat we said? among all the model proton has come aout of 100% how many are real image of us? not copy mtshubihi? 80% u know it self wok…that the fact here stop copy others look….create new car design…not copy other that wat all tis forumer wan…yes i also proud of proton but i hate it when they copy others design..that all…look at wv u just see the car u know it wv just a glimps of look at it…but when u see at wiralution..u need to see twice so then u know it wira or a real lancer..its image dude image…just like u want to smoke a cigaratte…u buy rokok ERA for rm2.50 and put it on a DUNHILL box…act u smoke a nice expensive one but actually its a fake!!
For those who think they were good enough and had enough to buy any other car then buy it. I have no offense and will not feel offened about it. In fact I feel proud because you had what you need and I’m proud of what Malaysia had eventhough some of us don’t appreciate it.
Lately I heard 1 bad news and 3 good new. The bad news is “The recall”. If they don’t bother about the quality of their car why should they call for it back. You know how much they spend to do that. Million. Yes. Million ladies and gentlemen. Hmmm… seems to me the bad news has become a good news since they heard people comment and of cause complain. the second one and whicheverybody already know about it and many of you don’t feel proud of it is that still the car that you who don’t like it so called waja replacement model still coming up wether you like it or not. And the third one is Proton Emas. They going to proceed to do the mass production it. Isn’t something overthere.
We may have good designers but to realy put one so called “Car” on the road is not cheap. It need time, efford and lot of money. To do a crash test alone need million. You want to drive just any car wether you know it safe for you, your family and others life? You know how did european car got their name from? From all the hard ship they have done throughout all these year. Since 1885 and that is more then hundred year before. Even long before you and I were born. Proton were founded in 1983 and that ladies and gentlemen were hundred years later.
We as Malaysiand should be greatful cause it’s not easy to built a car. It not DIY shop where you can just walk in and choose any of the part and just stick it together. It’s the technologies and those come with a lot of money, effort and time consuming. What I may think at the moment was done by Proton now is to bring these technologies from outside to invest in Malaysia and slowly we learn these technologies and we produce our own.
So… I still thinking that our Proton still new in this business and need a lot of effort. And by the way, don’t you think other Asian country don’t jealous at us? Yes they do and yet, we as the citizen and the owner of our car don’t proud of our own car.
Kalau tak dapat gading bertuah, tanduk pun masih berguna juga.
did u all notice when Proton launch a new model the price of the car sure Heboh one coz it aint cheap for the rakyat to embrace.we r paying today price n yesterday technology.i got bitten when i buy my first waja now even the use car dealer also TAK NAK!
Lancer owners will definitely ‘BANG BALLS”!!!!
Even i can be more creative than that!!! No harm sharing the same body or chasis, but put in some effort to make significant changes lah…. Proton is not NAZA!! They are expected to do better than just re-badging!! What are the designers in the R&D doing? Hatching eggs? What a let down!!!
try do your own concept car……
how much cost for developt this car? 1bilion? or 2? just developt front n rear bumper hehhee
atlasst! affordable car, i salute proton strategy to boost their sale…but..and as usual…our malaysian evo fanatic wil replace the proton badge and replace it with mitsu emblem..thats why we heard name like waja evo..wira evo..saga fiore..but worst is to install AWD system to the new waja..ouchh…
No LCD screen 2DIN like EX version… oh my…
It already confirm that the body, engine & gearbox will be using Mitsubishi lancer. So the full spec 2.0L would be the same wif CVT!
I highly doubt that they would come out with full spec 2.0 because of the proton clause of having max 1.6L. I heard that they will be introducing 1.8L soon into their line but i’m not too sure about that.
I think most prob this waja variant would be the 1.5 mivec engine that they have in singapore.
Then again I have no resource to back me up. Just speculating.
http://oneshift.com.sg/pdb/car_photos.php?pid=1292
Perdana’s a 2 liter. And Waja once had a 1.8 sourced from Renault.
sure will be cost down version.. 1.3 and a.6 i bet
if it’s 1.5, it’s really underpowered because of its heavy chasis.
They still using the original mitsubishi engines 1.8L and 2.0L MIVEC.Do you think Mitsubishi is too stupid to let Proton to drop the image of Mitsubishi globally by using Campro engine.This is totally a rebadging model.Just like KIA Forte, Kia Picanto, Kia Carens and so many Kia rebadging by NAZA. Just forget about any other things.Just imagine when Naza sell Kia (NAZA)Forte 2.0L for RM 92k, I’m sure Proton will sell this Mitsubishi (Proton)Lancer 2.0GT around that price too.This is the name of the game from Proton and Mitsubishi.It’s very clear.
Waja Chancellor is also a 2.0L. we also have 1.8L satria GTi and 1.8L Proton Wira
nobody ever buy the chancellor… i think, it was damn expensive, >RM120k
Then where is the P1’s campro gonna be?
i think campro should not even be in the picture.
proton already have a very good selling sedan using campro 1.6 – the persona.
putting 1.6 campro in this lancer body would not only result in underpower but also affect the persona market.
therefore, i think they will go with the bigger capacity mitsubishi engines.
after all, persona and waja are not supposed to be too close to each other in terms of class. this is so that proton can take advantage of wider market range.
oh my goodness!!!!
i never expect they really come out with this replacement.
i thought they would use a previous generation lancer!!!
this lancer was launched 3 years ago. an all new lancer is not far away. this lancer is almost in its ‘previous’ generation… ha ha
this be great….a cheap lancer…huhuhuhu….come on P1, how bout re-badge more mtsu model, …cfirm ppl will start buying/have more confident wt a mitsu re-badge + u’ll save development cost…forget self develop platform, in todays mkt…platform sharing will reduce cost!
The current Lancer was called 2008 Lancer, just Malaysia launch earlier with limited units in 2007. Where got 3 years old?
finally….
this rebadged thing will definately work for PROTON… and proud of it…
Back to SQUARE ONE!
you hav to admit it that some top brands also do this rebadge thing.
The previous formula works for P1 in the past, and even for current P2 cars. If square one works, why change something that is not broken?
If square one is OK with P1, why invest so much money in R & D.
agreed…if u don’t have econ of scales…why waste $$ on R&D
its a win2 situation. P1 got to rebadge Lancer and Mitsui can use Exora platform.
…this is awful and rather disappointing, the WAJA is suppose to be the 1st all proton designed car and they should keep it that way… they shouldn’t take the easy way out and just re-badged the Lancer. They are eating their own words.. sigh!
Nope, the Waja platform was source from the Volvo s40 and Mitsubishi Carisma. The easy way is the only way, Petronas cannot provide blank cheques anymore for funding frivolous projects.
I’ve said many, many times. This is NOT BACK TO SQUARE ONE! Because in addition to this car, they have their own Persona R coming out in 2012. This car caters to a niche market, and so rightly they decided to focus on their best selling cars. So many car makers are also doing this.
this car cater to niche market? are u on drug?
I think it’s called a Proton Evolah, a re-badge Lotus Evora and it’s going for like RM500,000 (Special Edition), so all you plebeians need not apply.
Proton announced that they only expected limited demands on this model, not niche market?????
limited demand= niche market?
limited demand because they cannot fight with those big player at that price range!! hahahaah
I thought the world was suppose to end in 2012? Only then will Proton design, build, make its own cars? Die la like that. Hhahahaha.
a japanese wearing batik and u r proud of it. Are you proud of the japanese or the batik?
I dun care abt this proud thingy…as long as its cheaper than the non-rebadge lancer, good quality & affordable …i’m happy…
I agree with you on affordable part but good quality??? Let’s wait and see….
Proud of it? hahah…what is proud of re-badge and stealing all those R&D fund.
a circumsised japanese car and become a malaysian car… ha ha ha… whatever it is, consumer loves cheap and quality products.
Nice one. hope the price and spec is reasonable.
hope the RRP will be around 70 – 85 depend on the accessories.
wow law
Paul, recently someone told me that Lancer is now meant for Perdana replacement and Proton is currently doing some re-segmentation of their cars….
There will be no more Waja lines in the future (Waja CPS is the last) and Persona will take over Waja segment since they are overlapping…
The Lancer will not feature steering paddle shift from what i heard and will have the same engine and transmission as the current Lancer in the market… Proton only do bumper and front grill modifications (as verified in the snapshots)…
Can you verify this information…?
If I can still remember, the Perdana will get a replacement model of a Galant. Which is actually Loooooooooooong overdue.
Yup agree. Perdana was mentioned long time ago to be replaced by some Galant model but during recent tt session, a ‘friend’ mentioned Proton opted to do some re-org resulting Lancer will replace Perdana instead and Persona will takeover Waja lines… I’m not sure how true this piece of info (its a teh tarik topic) but it does sound logical…. and the launch is around the corner…
why dont replace with mazda3 or camry? looks better~
mazda3 looks —> maybe
camry looks —> i doubt
good point bro, but when considering the perdana is usually provided as an official ride for high ranking ‘goverment officials’ i doubt the lancer platform can deliver an executive look and seriousness to cater for the perdana line. A galant model wuld be best suited for the job imho. but hey, who knows, if the gov officials decided to mod their ride to evo 10s and come to parliment in such style wuld be great yeah?. LoL.
rebatch lexus lo, executive right? or range rover or mercedes, they are buying it, with or without proton :)
once they said was Passat ler
Nope, its certainly not just cosmestic.
i’ve seen the snapshot of the interior…and yes..there will be a paddle shift as i saw it…
According to a ‘good friend’ at the company, Waja will exist only that they will re-segment it to a 1.8 and 2.0 market. It will now compete with Civic and Altis. Perdana replacement model (PRM) will have a minimum 2400 cc engine and compete with the likes of accord and Camry. PRM was supposed to be a rebadged VW model but since that didnt materialize when the talks ended, it now will either be a SAIC model or Mitsubishi model.
Actually, I had found somewhere in the internet an interior spyshot of this waja lancer and there is a paddle shifter.
Waja replacement is Civic category whereas Persona is Vios/City category. The new Perdana will be much bigger and compete in Camry/ Accord segment.
Lancer / Waja / Civic / Gen2 / Persona = Compact Class
Vios/ City / Saga = Sub-Compact Class
Perdana / Camry / Accord = Mid-size Class
Hmmm…. I wonder how Lancer can fit in as Perdana replacement…
dun forget savvy hahahaha :P
IMHO, WajaCPS has some points in his post. the Lancer’s wheelbase at 2,635mm is exactly the same dimension as Perdana V6 while the new Galant’s wheelbase is even longer at 2,750mm.
not much to be confused there, its just time has changed.
This is not going to be good news for “Real” Mitsubishi Lancer owner…
there will be more waja lancer make over after this time > to be real mitsui lancer hahaha
i can imagine the aftermarket bodykit shops and accessories dealers already busy whipping up EVo X inspired designs for this babe.. kachingg.. $$$$
don’t think it’s necessary leh
just put the original lancer bodykits also can already
hehe
agreed! first i thought i will never able to get the mitsu one…
but this…. i think i’m possible to get one soon! =D alrite!
working hard and get some money….then u can have real mitsubishi cars and not the ciplak cars.
pity to the original lancer buyers..
pity???for what?
hahaha…
mamat ni mesti tengah jealous tngk org lain yang naik real lancer nih….tu la …dulu org suruh belajar rajin2, u main-main….skrg org yang belajar hard dulu boleh pakai kereta yang bagus, u jealous kat dia org pula…..kesiannyer…..senang duhulu susah kemudian….adios
Nice, wished they changed the rear lights to something a little more conventional or LEDs. Plus, the Rim’s gotta go.
The rims are the FIRST thing to go. Hihihi…
Wonder what will happen to those owner who bought the real lancer @ 100K++. Soon or later our road will flood with this ah beng’s lancer.
More interesting:
more EVO X (convert) will flood the road =D
Hahaha !!! Nicely spoken !!!
Hahaha.. nice one…
Wonder what is the engine size? 1.8 or 2 litre?
will have 1.8 and 2.0 variant..both have different spec
it was expected to be a low spec 1.6 (using Proton’s own campro SP4H) and a high spec 1.8 sourced from mitsu.
price wise…. surly more expensive than waja/persona but in order to attract sales from chevy cruze and naza forte, should be lower. i estimate to be in the region of 70-85K.
Maybe 1.5 mivec.
http://oneshift.com.sg/pdb/car_photos.php?pid=1292
at least now.. the wajarian won’t need to heavily modify the waja to looks like lancer
me like…lol
It’s just a rebadged Mitsubishi Lancer with Proton grille in front. Other than that, it looks exactly the same as Lancer. Even the rear lights are the same. No big deal. Nothing to shout about. No originality. I think the price may be around RM78,000 to RM80,000 for 1.8L variant. From what I know, WRM will be produced in 1.8L and 2.0L variants. The present Mitsubishi Lancer is already 4 years old and Proton only rebadges this model now. It looks like Proton has gone back to rebadging Mitsubishi cars after such a long time. I don’t think this car can sell in big numbers because it is produced in 1.8L and 2.0L variants.
On the contrary, I think this Proton model will sell like hot cakes.
There are many drivers out there who love to own a Mitsubishi Lancer but cannot afford the price tag. This model will fulfill the dreams of many Malaysians.
no problem to own rebadged Lancer….but Proton, pls maintain exact same or better dashboard quality feel, body metal…….
basically a cbu lancer lah , kan! lol! cheapskate!
I believe the price should be below RM70K or maximum RM75K.If above that,I don’t think people would go for it as Honda City would be a better choice. You may say that the CC is different but we want reliability.
Honda City is better than Lancer????? are you serious?
proton waja better than honda city?! you cannot be serious!
i dun want to say u are nuts…
there is no way Proton can sell a rebadge lancer below 70k, not even the 1.8L variant with those lousy rims.
and Honda City better than Lancer??? you must be living in different planet.
Honda City is not that reliable and maintenance cost can be as high as Honda Civic’s.
afterall, since this Lancer will be a Proton car, the maintenance cost should be lower than the award winning yet cut-throat Kah Motor Honda after sales service.
then there will be lots of new proton ‘WRM lancer look alike’ owners gonna rebadge their cars into mitsubishi lancer…haha…
i Like!
yeah, it will certainly fulfill the hope of making Malaysia a high-income nation – driving a fake, low-spec, low everything Lancer. lol.
next project, Proton should re-badge Merc, then Jaguar and for Perdana, re-badge Rolls Royce…high income nation, here we come, in our fake-rebadge cars brought to you by Potong. lol
i guess , when time past…you wil swallow ur words :-D
If it is a replacement for Perdana (Paul please check on this) then the car will definitely replace if not all government cars fleet.
In term of pricing, well its a CKD versus CBU i think…
sorry man …i think malaysian road will flooded with “EVO 10” after this “COPY” launched….
Not sell in big numbers??
I seriously don’t think so..
Most of middle income group who can’t afford ori Mitsu Lancer have been waiting so long for this.. For sure this is going to be a ‘phenomenon’ just like P2 introduce Myvi to the market.. still remember?
How much will it be?
The grille looks like a ‘smiley’ face instead of Lancer’s usual ‘angry shark’ grille. Can’t wait to see the real one. A bit disappointing to see that Proton choose 16 inch rims instead of 17″.
Just my 2 sen.
hmm.. they don’t want the customer complaining the price for 17″ tyres price. with this rim, the customer can decide to upgrade it to the larger size. i think that is not the main issue.. =D
The price gap 16″ and 17″ is not as big as before, thanks to the popularity of 17″
yup rite.. but for family person, the RM50 diff for each tyres is a lot for them. btw, the cheapest price for 17″ tyre is around RM220 each (indonesia made), correct me if i wrong.
it maybe 16″ but it has 5 nuts..
and many many more nuts around here…in form of proton basher…
walauweh….directly can convert to evo10 after came out the dealership……hehehe
good opportunity for u to contribute to JPJ :-D
aiya…just change the bumper only alredi look like EVO 10… i dunt think it is related to JPJ issue isn’t it?
Its ok to change the bumper but once u’ve changed the badge from proton to mitsubishi, then it would cost u a problem… I’ve been summoned once because of using toyota badge on my myvi before but the officer said that it would cost me problem since u r paying for the insurance for the car..
Let say if u involved in an accident, the other parties claimed that they hit a mitsubishi’s car.. In their report claimed that its a mitsu, u cant claim insurance since ur car was insured under proton’s
name…so, u pay insurance for nothing… ( because some guys out there if they know u drive a proton but they still want make a report that u drove a mitsu based on ur badge,becoz they know u cant claim insurance by doing dat- busuk hati punya org)
Just share here though.. ;)
niceeeee……….
cant wait to have this….wanna replace my Persona with this…..cooollllll
hahah, i’m soooo excited
really looking forward for this.
but I hope they do a HUGE change at least to the body kit cause from this picture its still looks like lancer. make it look special.
Nice…
Back to the rebadging business!
What say u, Dr M?
Yes, following the likes of Peugeot and Citroen and many other established car manufacturer…
I’ve said many, many times. This is NOT A STEP BACK! Because in addition to this car, they have their own Persona R coming out in 2012. This car caters to a niche market, and so rightly they decided to focus on their best selling cars. So many car makers are also doing this.
Why can’t you dumb bashers get that through your thick skulls?!
who wants your persona R?
what is R?
Golf R = 4 wheel drive, turbo, 250++HP.
your persona R got wat? bodykit? why keep talking R ?
It’s so much fun looking at these Proton apologist get frustrated and kick up a rant.
biasa la these bashers… they know nuts about developing cars.. persona r cud be a persona with the turbo charged campro.. who knows?
cant wait for the persona replacement model… i heard that it looks rather interesting…
Once this car is on the road I forsee plenty Evo 10 lookalikes. Just like in the Wira days with plenty Evo 1-2-3 look-a-likes.
But seriosly Proton does need a larger sedan to replace the 10 year old Waja. Badge engineered or not, I believe Proton’s trademark suspension & handling will be evident
No changes at all except for the badge? That’s like zero development cost!
Kasi tukar la sikit Proton, lampu depan dan belakang..
If they tukar the lampu, people will tukar back to the “original” (read: Lancer) punya.
The whole idea is to let people drive a Lancer at more affordable price …. (while making good money of course).
;-)
but i guess a littile change on the rear lamp should be done so that Proton ade la skit ciri tersendiri…
just my seposen.
maybe u need to test drive it first..maybe they re-engineered the suspension system too..
impossible. if they do that, might as well put their own engine in, and make another car.
you really think proton engineered the suspension and handling? they all out source to lotus, ali baba style. they outsource only, very difficult? just like how they build a house, set up a company, build a bridge. Just out source, and they shake their leg
they put proton identity infront….
Development doesn’t mean everything new…. localisation of the parts also need development in order to meet the standard of actual part from Japan…
lu ingat perodua bagus sangat kah?
From the looks of it… size wise… it seems the new Waja is competing with Persona in the same segment… is it wise?
Have you ever see the new Lancer stood side by side with Persona? That Lancer is huge! Even in Japan, they have to call it Galant as it move a class above the previous Lancer, sizewise.
why bother if it is wise or not… competition will benefit consumer, that’s you.!
“Paul, recently someone told me that Lancer is now meant for Perdana replacement and Proton is currently doing some re-segmentation of their cars….
There will be no more Waja lines in the future (Waja CPS is the last) and Persona will take over Waja segment since they are overlapping…”…quote from other reader
due to huge masking I couldn’t comment so much on the looks, but I heard that it has hand pedal shifters for both 1.8 & 2.0 model…
that’s sold me – esp. for Waja replacement model…
way 2 go P1…
So after designing n making car on their own , dare i say it , getting good at that too. Proton now decide to jump backward by making an exact copy of others? What is this? i know it would be a “wajalancer” but this is in yer face copying!! Why cant they just use the platform n design proton own “wajalancer” ?
hahaha… it will the same bro.. if they are change 50% from the current design, the people will change it back to the current lancer look.. so no point you can call it wajalancer if you can’t conver it to lancer.. just my POV.. =P
Copying is what Chinese car makers are doing. Proton is re-badging and that is a totally different business. Furthermore, if you care to read Paultan blog at all, there was a post about platform sharing between Proton and Mitsubishi. So, maybe Mitsubishi is going to re-batch some Proton cars. New Saga or Exora, perhaps.
Mitsubishi doesn’t need any crappy cars from Proton. It will do more harm than good if they rebadge a Proton. Shit design/ shit quality. Suspension/ handling, nothing to shout about.
“Proton signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with Mitsubishi in late 2008 to rebadge Mitsubishi’s existing Lancer platform as a replacement for Proton’s Waja model. In return, Mitsubishi would rebadge Proton’s Persona and Exora models to as Mitsubishi to be marketed in certain countries. The earlier agreement would also see Proton and Mitsubishi jointly developed a small hatchback, likely a replacement for Proton’s Savvy model after this year.”
http://www.theborneopost.com/?p=22430
Go read it you dumb basher!
Oh look it’s the Proton Propaganda Machine again!
Maybe they want to save cost on design.
Sure, u supply them with RM 1 billion for the development of so called ‘wajalancer’
i tell u lil bit ..why…. the cost of stamping machine itself almost the same as their profit…. so this is cheapest way… no need RnD…no tooling Development…Easy Maintenance…
alahai lu ni…
citroen pon ade rebadge, Peugeot pon same…
subaru pon same, nissan pon same…
nk ckp make sure u have d knowledge…
ni tak, pasal proton rebadge je, sume org kutuk…
otak sempit!!
kalau rebadge aje, tak payah have car industry! so why the need to protect proton?! liberalise the market lah!
If takde car industry.. mcmana nak rebadge.. bodo betul
Many semua org kutuk? Ko tak tengok banyak yang cakap bes kerr? Tak berotak lagi buta…
Lets hope the quality also resembles Mitsubishi. And I suggest if it’s >95% same with Mits car, why don offer user to use their logo/badge. If Proton is to use their very own brand they must at least put in some modification to show some re-engineering (besides Lotus Handling), as to give it an identity. Else, I think it’s very reasonable to use Mits Logo.
so it will becoming the same issue as with (Naza) Kia Forte’s owners switching NAZA emblem to KIA. My friend who just bought a NAZA FORTE purchased a KIA emblem from the net. So in this case i forsee front grille for lancer is lucrative business… ha…ha…
hemm……..proton really knows how to excite people…….
yeah!!! me excited toooo..
it is as exciting watching paint dry. sigh another rebadge.
you think your Myvi is not a rebadged?
my myvi comes out of a japanese run assembly line and not a half arse product from tg malim. if proton is so great, then the govt should charge full excise duty on all protons since it is so hard for cash!
japanese run?
eh .. sorry to say…. it’s not toyota japan whose controling perodua..it’s UMW toyota.. so it’s tanjung malim style
it seem u have been fool by the p2.. did you know, if they buy the tooling from japan and make the part here.. it will be cost down and maybe your myvi is about rm 30k… hahaha.. whay a pity~
owh yeah.. me oso so Xcited.. nasib baik dah ada duit down payment kereta.. this is called berkat kesabaran…. a gift from god to one who waited so long for a new car hahaha… tapi budjet dalam 70-80 je.. if more than that.. ayak. beli vios je lah..
after 25 years, proton goes back to its roots…
And pity to those hard-core Proton ‘lovers’ who bash Perodua ‘kaw-kaw’ for being a ‘rebadging’ kind of manufacturer when Proton is now going back to their ‘roots’ that took them to where they are now!!!!
How ironic! So how to degrade Perodua now?…
produa rebadge daihatsu, proton rebadge mitsu.. different class. hahaha
Can. because unlike Perodua, Proton have the Persona R waiting in the wings to be released. It’s NOT a rebadge. Unlike Perodua who doesn’t even have own car to make. Master of bumper changing only!
what is Persona R?….u r dreaming its goin to be like Civic Type R? Golf R, Skyline GTR?…..the most they goin to do is change bumper and change lights…n maybe put in their overhyped turboengine which gonna guzzle fuel the same as MaCamPro….
Tak habis2 lagi ke dengan Persona R hang nie..aiyo
This is a uneducated basher that i have found in paultan. Since when proton said that they want to produce persona type R?? they just call the persona REPLACEMENT and not yet named it by the comercial name… i think it is easier to talk with 10 years old kid.
This is an uneducated basher that i have found in paultan. Since when proton said that they want to produce persona type R?? they just call the persona REPLACEMENT and not yet named it by the comercial name… i think it is easier to talk with 10 years old kid.
you must be really dumb… proton is exchanging platforms with mitsu. not like perodua that got nothing at all and just rebadging.
2 thumbs up for wajalancer!!
Even though I’m a P1 basher, the sense of patriotism inside me tells me that this car isn’t something to be proud of. It does not qualify as Malaysian made, period.
we do not owe a socalled national carmaker any obligation to buy them out of a sense of patriotism. it doesnt excuse them from making half ass product and expect us to buy them.
Who cares.We only care our dream car where ever it comes from.
wonder how current lancer owner gonna feel when this car being launch..
why cant proton proton produce their own design?
i thought with the born of waja in 2000,they gonna make all design themselves..
great job fahmil n paul for posting this… i was hoping proton would change the headlight and taillamp like what they did with wira so that it doesnt resemble lancer too much… i like the lancers headlamp and taillight but, wouldnt it be nice if proton could come up with something nicer? but i guess it’s all about cost saving?
yeah…. i did hope they can change it… at least there is difference between Mitsu Lancer and the gonna-be-new Proton Lancer.
-sigh-
but who cares? lancer GT affordable price is on its way :)
LOL! Malaysian Wajalution wet dream answered!
soon to be Proton Wajavo X
paul, could you ask theo to photoshop the taped up area? im sure he could come up with something…
yey! he’s done it on the new topic!
nice car..but copycat same like perodua
The Proton Waja was supposed to be our first national car designed independently by our engineers. So what happened to these creative engineers??? Have they run out of ideas???
Nope it is not about ideas or creativity… its more about economic of scale and above all cost…
Those are just BS to make u feel good in buying Potong.
They run away… Join other companies…
Now P1 do not have many… so cut segmen maaaa…
half own car half rebadge (esp with 1.8 engine n above) more economical…
Anyway the most profitable partiest all this while is the bank…
Min investment cost, just spare some money, people lend… kutip interest… bla bla blaa…
Umm the previous waja was also rebadged from mitsu lancer… i think the first all proton design would be Gen2/Savvy/Satria Neo
i dun think the first gen Waja should be called a “rebadge”, as the look was locally designed. Rebadge should be like this time, almost everything is the same with the “original”, especially the look.
reassigned to rebadge biz.. designing bumper and spoiler..
last but not least, sticking the proton thunder cat badge.
I am certain owners of the current Mitsubishi Lancer is going to lose a fair bit of their car value if Proton sells it below the RM90K threshold.
ganti bumper evo now u have a ori mitsu
copycat
who??
PERODUA???
at lease P1 did produce its own cars (gen2, neo, savvy, exora, persona..etc)
and soon will produce a new model too (Persona replacement, EMAS, etc)..WHAT?? DONT YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT??? Prfthhhhh….
rebatch 1model is not like the end of the world laa..
P2 – rebatch forever.. and all the P2 gays proud of it… ptuiii..
P2 rather copy from a successful company, than create your own failure.
well, i know you from kampung petani to japan, so you still have your kampung thinking, hahahaha.
muka tebal, rather fail, than learn from the giant. Failure for the rest of your life!!!
saw a red lancer hatcback or the lancer SUV last sat nite a penang too. the name and logo were tapped.
another cheap re-badge or could be the cheapest re-badge? anyway.. its good for us.. good car, lower price.. proton get to keep the employee.. keep up the “good” work
Nice!! Yup, i agree that the front grill will be same design as persona’s grill.
Any red colour Waja…this is what we are waiting for….nice..
yellow also will be nice =)
Hmm. they left it there while they went for nasi kandar? Looks intentional.
Interior still looks the same. hopefully they don’t change a lot, As we know proton ain’t too brilliant in interior design.
the biggest con for malaysian yet again. change the front grill. there you have it! malaysian car. 25 years and this is the best trick in Protons books..
depressing
its like you dont read international news at all…
manufacturers rebadge models all the time… even in this case P1 only rebadge 1 model… other models still represent P1 self style & quality whether good or bad… Unless every model from P1 is rebadged version (like P2) then maybe it is a con…
This is actually very good… Malaysians can now have Lancer with cheaper price… dont you think?
I think I have to agree with you thought I am against the ideal of rebadging.
yeah.. and the p2 put the price sky high… and what we all said, it is local design ma.. it is reasonable price.. hahaha.. and thanks to proton because after rebadging the mitsubishi, they put the price lower and can be afford by local.. hahaha
P2 put price skyhigh? the saga blm is 40k, and last time it was 20k only.
persona is wat? 60k? that is affordable? hahahhahah
proton lover like you must go and book this lancer…..IF you can afford it. lol.
eh
viva 1.0 45 k not overprice ah?
what a good comparison.. and MYvi always mark up 2k each facelift.. haha
this is ali baba carmaking at its finest ma! we calima the credit for being a carmaker but subcon to the japs ma! proton bulleh!
we don’t opposed the ‘rebadge’ work on any model. it’s just the fact that we are kinda ashamed of what we have gone through for 25 years, the end product is like ‘that’. how long do we need to take to ACTUALLY design/make a car as good/beautiful as this lancer? do we really need to do ‘rebadging’? are we not smart/competent enough to do this?
IMHO, this is how proton wants to make big bucks in shorter time. buy a blueprint/die, change front and back bumper, minimize safety features, use cheaper steel/alum, bulk orders on engines parts, assemble, put a badge, then sell. of course this car make a good fortune, weighted from the legacy of the original family!
p/s:wondering where the h*ll is our engineers..
you are right.. how bout ford/mazda? fiesta and mazda2 are 2 different car rite?
other car maker should be a lot shame more..they hav more history than proton
P1 are failure. unless you all own mazda and ford car before, otherwise, you must let us bash P1, becos i have 2 more P1 car at home, so i can bash it!!!!!
Its front grille should retain as much as possible the original Lancer front grille because typical Proton nose is ugly. If the car is priced fairly(below 80K), it will definitely be a hit on the road. I guess those Mitsubishi Lancer owners will be worrying on the resale value of their cars now.
why is the exora escort taped up?
I hope the safety features are the same. This will be a MyVi killer if is has all the international safety features.
myvi killer?
are you saying that a 3-series is competing with S-class?
I am saying that a proton saga (no safety features) competing with Honda City (With safety features). not 3-series (with safety features) vs S-Class (with safety features + and unnecessary stuff like LCD, GPS, 7.1 stereo system)
I believe most people don’t need a luxury car. All proton needs to do is give the people a quality car with all the necessary safety features. If the price tag is 10K more than a MyVi, I believe most people will be more than happy to pay for it.
You can’t buy life with money. Safety feature is very important. Leaving AP and the high car price aside, RM15k additional stretched over a period of 7 years is not really a big amount.
old saga or new saga blm? r u sure?
true..true..all proton need to do is manufacture a good quality product on par with other international car manufacturer if not better.i’m not asking for a superb performance engine.just a nice…not half baked quality car.. :)
Bro, it is two different car segment…
rims is fugly >_<
maybe for 1.8 version (like lancer gs)
proton know malaysians taste..
politically its a bad move for proton to rebadge a mitsubishi.
the whole reason for proton to exist is for malaysian to build up enough expertise to engineer our own cars.
but now, people will point a finger at the proton waja/lancer and say that after 25 years,
we are still back to using other ppl cars.
Re-badging is now the current practise for many car manufacturer now. Yes after 25 years Proton should have enough expertise, but my friend, the number one thing people tend to overlook is the amount of money involved when creating or developing a new model…. Most manufacturer now is looking for ways to reduce the cost of producing a new car and Proton is following the trend….
If the trend is going backward like you say it is then check some of re-badging from another manufacturers that happened in recent years…
1. Nissan Cherry – Alfa Romeo Arna
2. SEAT Exeo – Audi A4
3. Renault Logan – Dacia Logan
4. Kia Towny/Towner – Daihatsu Hijet
5. Mazda B-Series – Ford Ranger
6. Holden Jackaroo – Isuzu Trooper
7. Inokom Atos – Hyundai Atos
8. Citroen C-ZERO / Peugeot iOn – Mitsubishi i
9. Toyota Voltz / Matrix – Pontiac Vibe
10. Nissan Kubistar – Renault Kangoo Express
11. Nissan Platina – Renault Clio Symbol
12. Saab 9-2X – Subaru Impreza
13. Maruti Swift – Suzuki Swift
14. Fiat Sedici – Suzuki SX4
15. Citroen C1 / Peugeot 107 – Toyota Aygo
16. Aston Martin Cygnet – Toyota iQ
and many more will come in future….
So, big manufacture like Citroen and Peugeot are going backward by re-badging?
How about other local manufacturer like Naza and Perodua?
those cars are gone through ‘re-engineering’ with a lot of changes made to keep it away from its original look/design. but this lancer, almost nothing we’re made to make it look different. an ah tiong custom bumper is also able to make those bumper.
How do you know??re-engineering????haha…u r so funny…
proton re-engineered the badge. which many new waja owners will swap back to mitsu.
wat is redesign?????wat????????they all design wat??tell me…???which car u mean re-engineering??funny..y ppl try to tunjuk pndai instead duno anything..u never see the car then smply comment…haha..they all do same like p1 and p2 la..think laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…………..
ur head la…ah tiong wer got gud mold bumper..and cheap material…
last saga generation is from lancer correct me if mistake…i don see it look so similar….even exora mule look same with other mpv but come with diff design
You’re an Idiot and people like you makes Malaysia today = ZERO INNOVATION.
Look at your listing, most of these Car manufacturer have come a long way in terms of innovation and recognition and they have built great cars in the pass.
In terms of costing in designing a new car for new segment, which they don’t have, they are sharing others platform in terms by exchanging technologies to improve market share. What did PROTON ever achieve in its pass 25 years? One thing for sure spending tax payers money…if you have read earlier this year, the government has given them few billion this year for R&D funds and this is what they come out with “RE-BADGING”? if you’re not educated enough please look up definition for R&D and know that the fact that RE-BADGING is not in the R&D category.
u la no head..no inovation konon..R&D sure include rebadge ma..u totally not skolah tinggi..without R&D how u gona think re-design new bumper?mold?joint?weld?qa/qc?setup supplier?test?generate & impliment sop?put standard?material?machining?all plan 1st then only do…u la not educated..
AND HOW DO YOU KNOW GOVERNMENT GV MONEY (R&D) FOR THIS CAR???maybe for EMAS ma…its like u really pay tax je…100k per year u paid ur tax?all country same like us ma…the problem is malaysian not contribute to their own brand..n p1 oso produce not a gud car..both were wrong..let them restart la..Nssn oso drop last time…renault buy kot..maybe renalut 60 nissan 40..
You can’t read? They’re coming out with the Persona R that’s Giugiaro designed in 2012. Plus Phoenix Project engine coming out, Lotus side coming out with new Esprit. Those ARE R&D! Don’t be an idiot. If every damn car they make have to be developed from scratch then you’ll cry out yelling because they spend money. Now do this also yelling. Hello, Waja replacement is in a niche segmentlah, why do we need to spend so much to develop a car that’s not the biggest seller in the market? That’s why Proton’s focusing on Exora, Saga & Persona. Better off making your moneymaker better. That’s why other car makers are also practicing rebadging, and no, none of them INNOVATED the cars THEY REBADGE!
Go read more before bashing. Got facts, then talk. If not, then don’t talk!
AGree with Tiadaid!!!Gud !
latest news from insider, they cancelled Persona R and Emas. They want to put all the effort into making sure this Lancer will achieve like Wira, and further to improve all existing model, future model are now in discussion with Mitsu. VW still reluctant to talk about passat, will keep on trying
wasting my time speaking to monkeys…
Dear Tiadaid,
Lotus is Lotus and Proton is Proton, both company keeps their books separately books. Are you talking about Proton or Lotus here? that you can’ even get it straight? i’m guessing the last statement you wrote is for you to understand.
25 YEARS alredi lor, how many more years to go before they take their mouth out of mother’s breast?
one more..
BMX – BMW…hahaha
..dont get angry aaah!
Hey, You’re good.
16 models thats all ? total there are more than 3500 cars sold in UK alone TODAY! This is call INSIGNIFICANT and NO IMPACT in statistical term.
GO AND READ MORE BOOKS little brother !
yup all these proton fanboys should just go to the japanese embassy to get their honourary citizenships! haha!
don’t worry proton > better you duplicate well established mitsui car rather than make tin milo car.
Malaysian people gey more safety
Waaaaaaa….then all the mitsubishi lancer owner will be regretting for buying the car….whats the point of buying a mitsubishi if theres another cheaper replication……….damn saddening……
Not really. I din regret buying my Lancer. It’s a superb car and it’s CBU. I don’t have any prob with the power window….
wahh you alreadi knew this car will have power window failure? do you have Paul the Octopus DNA inside you?
Lawak laaa, just to say about power windows.
yeah….us the average income worker will finally can get a lancer!
yeah… finally we can mod a lancer !
wont care about imitation, but this one should be top of sale for proton for coming future, congrate proton!!! :P
cannot wait for launching date..
sorila Proton u made it best car worst…
Sharviin Sasasey -Mit Lancer/Evo owner???hahahaha
Nice pix. Good job fami. What about pix of the exora “escort”???
Is it true…… nasib baik saya x beli lancer GT ari tu… mmg sebijik.. jatuh harga & exclucivity lancer lepas waja (Impian) ni kuar… lepas ni byk la evo x kat msia ni…
IMHO, it depends on the individual itself…if you are a-brand-kind-of-person..you would go for branded car…if you are a-performances-kind-of-person..you would go to look for a car performance..if you are a-reasonable-kind-of-person…you would think before you buy a car…would it be worth buying a skyhigh price car than buying an affordable price car that have approximately the same spec?
it is just an opinion….
wajalution..
oh my god … proton = mitsubishi ??? Msia = Japan????
what a shame!!
oh my god … perodua = toyota/daihatsu ??? Msia = Japan????
what a shame??
first said want quality car like japan.. now got japan car.. said shame…
dont give what u want.. u craved for it… give it to you.. u said shame….
make it your mind ladies.. hoping Zaff1984 is not ladies lah.. wakakakaka
budak mentah bagi comment.. like this lah…
I
am happy if mlysia = jpn..rite? don u
yup
The back and side profile looks good – similar
to the Mazda tail lights but the front looks very old fashioned.
Hope that it also comes with a Mitsu engine variant as
we are sick and tired of the same old 1.6 CraProS.
After 25 years, this is what Proton can do? I don’t mind if it is 25 years ago…
Have checked what other manufacturer is doing now? Re-badging dude…
Come on la bro! Dont get too emo..
Exora, Saga. Pesona, Gen 2, PROTON EMAS u tak nampak ke..
other hav 60-100 yrs still rebadging…shame more on them
same as lancer. copy bulat2. body kit shop can make money with this to convert to evo.huhu
R3 Waja lah..why Evo10?
Wah…… the new Wajalution looks quite good from the outside. Too bad cant see the insides well
lets share views now….
Cant wait !!
Exactly the same design as Mit. Lancer. Wow… Sure consider to buy one!
This is Mr Burns n y arent u working on the plant????u want Homer to do it???
what do you mean by Mr.Burns? That is his assistant laa.. Smithers.
pls come early…pls..pls…
Uh …. sounds like asking for prema….
Er… nevermind … ;-)
Great shots, but a pitiful sight. After 25 years in existance we still have to rely on a rebadge car as a mainstream model. Proton should look towards Hyundai Kia as an example, 4 th biggest car company in the world after 35 years of existance. Hope this will be fitted with the CFE turbo with the ZF CVT and paddle shifts.
1st encounter !! Not to worry about outlooks, I’m sure Proton has its engineering mods applied on the cars.
cheers
exsaga likes this.
Ok, hope the price will not sky high…
change bumper, change boot bonnet, change rims & add a spoiler…whualaa… Mitsubishi Lancer GT!!!
Why stop at GT …. go all the way to Evo ;-)
I think most prefered EVO X!!
Nice…hope price below RM80K
what a “superb job” by malaysian car maker! wooot3 o_O
totally hopes that they’re not only replacing the front and end bumper
if yes,i prefer to go to the original lancer
From 1st Saga then Wira then to self design models then back to this concept again, only Proton knows whats best for Malaysian
Is this the real next gen waja???
Where is the originality??
biar betul? very poor to buyer mitsubishi lancer :(
There is no signal indicator at side mirror??
not to worry bro, can get it from accessory shop
even EVO X front bumper huhuhu
nice….any price guess from you paul?
Cool~~~ might consider this car ^^
after buy can change the proton logo to become mitsubishi
the true wajalution
Thanks to that guy who snapped the pictures and to you too Paul. Great updates. That’s why ur blog been the top of lists. Anyway, wanna ask you Paul, is the current Mitsu Lancer weren’t selling well here in Malaysia? ‘Cause the badging is TOO similar too the current Lancer unlike the Wira in which the headlights were totally different in design and the whole body (though) have same chassis) has its own characters. Unlike this one.
2nd) Any news on the new mule model like this post?
http://paultan.org/2010/07/20/new-proton-prototype-mule-spotted-what-could-it-be/
I’m very interested. A very different design.
yeah…i’m not that eager for the waja replacement actually…more eager to know what’s the new model…been searching everywhere in the internet for any news or other spyshots about that new model…
ahaa..one more thing..i totally agree with you about the design is sooo verrrryy similar to the mitsu jerung…proton should done a lil bit tweaking i think…
Local product….but unavailable spare part…it very shame….proton already 25 years…but when order spare part….need to wait 2 or 3 weeks…when it arrived that not for my car although the part number correct… maybe discovery channel need to made special episode for proton = how they do it…
this is the true story for GEN2 CPS owner…
sorry because out of topic comment…..
kat kedai spare part luar banyak brg la bro.. jgn depend dgn SC saja…
your arse talk with no proof..
like a dog yelling at the wall..
OK FINE…I CAN SHOW YOU THE PROOF…ADA BRANI…PLEASE NO PROTON I CARE REPRESENTATIVE…THEY ARE USELESS…BUT IF I YOU SHOW THE PROOF…IT STILL USELESS BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING…
YOU ARE NOT DATUK SYED ZAINAL…
I’ve to agree with you……..even for Wira parts also they can silap baca…..poor Proton Edar Service personel…..kerja but not 100% knowledgeable…..
go an work there lah….
I wonder what the current owners of Lancer would feel like when they see a cheaper Lancer with a Proton badge on it running around…hmmm…
I’m sure 99% of the owners of the new Proton Waja will rip off the Proton badge and stick the Mitsu logo on….we already see it happening anyway in the current Proton line up…
I DONT THINK CURRENT LANCER GT OWNERS WILL BE WORRIED….NO MATTER HW U MOD, U CAN NEVER MATCH MITSU’S TECH AND LOOKS…..AH BENG LANCER WILL ALWAYS BE AH BENG LANCER AND WE WILL CONTINUE LAUGHING AT THEM THE SAME AS WE LAUGH AT CURRENT WAJALUTION FOOLS….
john doe you talk what mitsu tech?
this car will have same engine and same gearbox
what tech are you talking? wiper? radio? ahahahha
Dude your ‘CAPS LOCK’ key seems to be stuck…
Totally Agree~
dude why laugh.. its their car… let them mod it..
let the modding scene blossom…
without it …its a boring drive along the way…
they hav gut to express them self… with what they hav…
so how bout u?
laughing keyboard hero?
Now a very cheap Lancer at Waja price, hehehe
OMG…poor lancer….shouldn’t be this way to end production…pity the real Mitsubishi Lancer.
First!..vrooom…
LOL…seriously bad news for all current mitsu lancer owner…ppl will think u r actually driving a WAJA..LOL
more ‘evo 10’ on our road soon too…LOL
haha, you are right
i’ve heard the selling price of this will be at 80,000+
cool
really ???….at that price segment…many other options to consider:- Kia Forte, Madza2
Nice
cant wait to see what engine they will put on it
they will use Mitsu for sure, then all those Campro investment also throw into tong sampah. It just show the company has no future. Just rebadge, please open the market, since there is no more national car.
nice….now waiting for the 2.0 specs and price….hopefully it retains all lancer goodies
No.1…!! Wajadua, Proton Evora (Evo + Exora)……Proton Satu (1Malaysia)^^
so whats the predicted price range?
Looking forward to more Mitsu based models coming our way.
Proton – please consider a JV wit Misubishi. Lots to gain and nothing to lose
except your bosses pride & ego but moving forward Proton will be on a firmer footing.
PM already mentioned abt maximising Proton’s spare capacity so this seems
like the best time. Proton can maintain their 1.6 engine but could source Mitsu’s
1.8 & 2.0 engines for its bigger models.
Good luck proton!!
is that exora turbo? can’t wait for it.
Make sure you have an angrier face on the exora turbo
hermm…
i guess they have gone back to its core roots when proton first started up…take a good car…rebadge and call it a PROTON…. 25 years + and going back to square one…way to goooo
//CaM.ShafT
at first, I was reluctant to reply, but you’re using camshaft as your nick, so I guess I should tell you so that you’d have more knowledge about automotive industry rather than just some engine parts. Otherwise, people might think you’re just some mechanic who own a workshop under a cherry tree.
Proton spent about RM1 billion to develop Waja, and to develop Waja replacement would be very costly affair to Proton, again. The market is so small which is why I think a lot of Waja being made into taxis and police patrol cars. That’s why they’re swapping model with Mitsubishi, Mitsu take Exora to sell in 3rd countries and Proton take Lancer to replace Waja. And if you think rebadging is unacceptable or you’re not satisfy with my answer, try ask Peugeot/Citroen (a company with more than 100 years of experience) why they rebadged Mitsubishi models too…
Similarly…was reluctant to challenge your opinion.Though there are only limited amount of truth in ur statement
1. I do agree that Peugeot/Citroen have a pack agreement to share cross platform and engineering to say. But please look at the models which are…as you were to put it “cut/paste” jobs. I can say for certain, you DO NOT see a copy and paste job for the mainstream models (e.g. 308, 208 and so on). They may “Share” the same platform but entirely everything else is different. they don’t even look the same at all..and since u so seem to know so much knowledge about the automotive world…can you say that the driving dynamics are the same?
So if you’re saying that there’s nothing wrong than copy and paste, tell me why bother having Proton “a so-called national car maker” when there are a NUMBER of local companies rebadging cars? example…Inokom for Hyundai, Naza for Peugeot and Kia and of course Perodua for Daihatsu?
And for your comment that Peugeot/Citroen rebadges Mitsubishi…for the simple reason is that they do not have the technology or know-how to begin with. But look at this car. It doesn’t run on nuclear power…nor does it run on EV…nor those it run on hydrogen…its a normal ordinary CAR.
2. A billion dollars to develop one car? Am curious and truly looking forward for you to provide me the facts and figures… Personally i worked with Proton KEY suppliers and the way Proton works with…i can say, 1 billion ringgit to develop one car is really…a long throw…Prolly the one billion ringgit well i could prolly say…yeah..by buying off design schematics and jus rebadge with the tiger’s head…
Proton has made some good cars. Gen 2, persona was all hits. Even the satria and the new saga. Looks good drives fair..I can’t stand the plastic inside but i like it in general. Won’t get one but i don’t have a grudge against it. But…this is dissappointing…with all its current good run….they decided to fall back and rebadge a lancer…
everyone has its right to his own opinion. for me…Proton and this car…is jus a thumbs down.
//CaM.ShafT
You don’t understand that this car is for a niche market. This is not mainstream model, because if you look at sales figures Waja’s sales are dwarfed by Saga & Persona. Makes sense for them to spend money on the big sellers. Case in point is the Persona R. They didn’t rebadge that model. It’s just one model. ONE! You bashers yell when they spend money to develop cars, now they spend less to rebadge car still you yell.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t!
LOL…ur comments…herm…how should i say… hilarious…the waja being a niche market? hermm please enlighten me on which market segment? presume that u can’t even answer your question.
Jus because sales figures are low = niche model…ermm…so are you saying that the Proton WAJA is as niche as a bugatti veyron or a Lamborghini Supperlegera LP640-2…or a Ferrari 599x? Sales figures does not translate into which market it goes into and im sure u’re WELL aware of that…a peugeot bicycle sales figure also low…are they for niche market?
And where on earth are you going with your Persona R argument? is jus a concept drawing…its not even a PROTOTYPE…geez…and as you said…its only ONE…for 25 years+ they can only come out with ONE model?
Spend more money to develop what cars? Cars which don’t have airbags, EBD, traction control, cheap plastics, thin wire windows, ECU that fries easily? or spend money to develop cars for export market with ALL these features as STANDARD PLUS EXTRA and the Malaysian people have to bear for the cost to subsidies these market??
In case you haven’t heard…PROTON proudly advertised itself back in 1995 as “Asia’s answer to BMW”….that was in 1995…..and where is PROTON in the Australian market now?
Lets look at stats given the so called claim:
YE2000 – 2742 cars
YE2001 – 1705 cars
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YE2008 (Dec) – 334
YE2009 (Jan) – 222
i Await your reply =)
//CaM.ShafT
yup, that’s what I read long time ago, it was RM1bil to develop waja, RM500mil for Gen2 and down to RM100mil for Persona. For me, the reason for this rebadge is simple… they only want a car for small market (Malaysia), and to develop a new one would be very pricey. how many Lancer could be sold here in a year? 10,000? 20,000? redesign would require new machines and new tools for production. does it make sense to invest another RM50-100mil just for this niche market?
Peugeot/Citroen would definitely do much more to differentiate their products because their market is much bigger (worldwide) and the sales would justify their investments.
dear MoFaz…
I comfirm that PROTON cars are crap…..try owning one…then you’ll know what i mean….
@cam.shaft
First, you talk about Gen 2, Persona, Satria Neo, Saga and you say they’re all good cars and then when someone brings up the Persona R, you say that Proton has only developed ONE car in 25 years? Lol. Your math sux bro.
Proton actually has 3 new cars coming out in the years to come, Persona R, Proton Emas and the joint-development of a car with Mitsubishi.
So that’s 7 new cars in 25 years (actually 12 years because they were rebarding Mitsu before then). Not bad. :)
CaM.ShafT, you works Proton KEY suppliers …?? I bet it’s the power window suppliers..no wonder got so much problem…
no lah, he make key fro proton cars only. he dunno anything else.
its really a lancer..hehe..ha..malaysian..go buys a evo x bodykits..lala~
nice!
This is infact the 9th gen of the mitsubishi lancer. But i not so optimistic with its 1.8cc engine unless direct injection is used. Sat in a 2.0cc with CVT and i can sense the car is alittle underpowered.
Yes.My fren’s 2.0 is underpowerd.it looks heavy n feels heavy.quite a guzzler
1.8 later tuned by R3 … best ! but sacrifice FC.
Yup..proven on dyno graph, the 2.0 is underpowered, thanks to the CVT gearbox..
There’s quite a lot of complain about CVT here in Paul Tan’s. ;-)
Is it really true that its power delivery really poor or just perceived as (because it smoothens out power delivery)?
Anybofy can point out to data available on the net to verify/confirm/deny this?
Just curious. :D
Ow crap. *anybody*, not anybofy…. :(
to answer your question, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg_3FSY5gyo
Lancer GT 2.0 accelerating 0-100kmh in about 8 seconds.
current perdana with 2.0 and 4 speed auto does that in 13 seconds.
ppl that say the lancer with cvt is underpower think they are too smart . think they can feel everything…how dumb!!!
king..have you looks at the dynograph on aftermarket tuners? Yup the horsepower at the flywheel is tremendously good, but how the power transferred on the road? Have you ever think why GTR, Golf GTi are using dual clutch and DSG gearbox? Coz it’s transfer the power via CLUTCH, not by belt. The feeling is just a feeling, but what’s the reality? You’re also comparing CVT to Auto, have you ever comparing it to Perdana with manual tranny?
King,
thanks for the link.
Not bad…. not bad at all. Even for somebody who drive like an uncle like me :D
switch back to 15″ wheels and the power will be just fine. 18″ is just too heavy unsprung weight that makes the car’s overall dynamic affected. except in looks department.
Haha! i knew it!
Yes… finally.
i hope it will come with paddle shift…then lets become evo wannabe…hahaha
What is the point? Can’t you just assemble and sell Lancer instead of changing a bit here and there and sell as Waja? I bet the changed parts are lesser quality yet over-price too…
hehehe…..pasni ramai beli..pastu tukar lambang mitsubishi balik….mcm zaman wira dulu2….
Boo
Saya sudah order dua tahun lepas. Sampai sekarang tak sampai lagi. Dia orang suruh naik BLM saga dulu. Lepas dua tahun dia boleh jadi Lancer.
Finally..
I wonder will it be the exact size with the current Lancer GT on the road now.
i heard the engine is 4B11…it means Proton will use the Mitsubishi 2.0 engine?
was spotted in KLIA and now the blog has been removed which posted the pictures. looks like it’s a 2.0 Waja!, the door VIN plate states engine is 4b11 and CVT transmission also
Engine and transmission should be the same… not sure about the paddle shift… i personally think paddle shift will be available in higher spec mitsubishi model not in Proton to differentiate the market for both brand…
OMG this is so exciting! The end is nigh, all you Lancer owners!
Can anyone estimate the price and when it will launch. Many thanks!
I really think 80k++ for basic 1.8l model to 98k++ for 2.0l model. This is to avoid Proton’s product competing each others in term of price just like what Myvi did to Viva and Alza did to myvi because little price differential between products.
71K to 85K…maybe..
If 71k then it is a lot cheaper than Exora. i don’t think so. The pricing can kill Exora sales.
wah…..really look the same like lancer…
memang ambik 100% dari kilang mitsubishi pun…cuma tukar front grill je…good job!
Hei… This is No good.
P1 get all sorts of govt subsidies on R&D la, bla bla bla, yet come out with this “badge Engineering” product …
yes you are right… all the subsidies taken, then only came out with only THIS car, rite?
1 malaysia boleh
What happen to P1 design dept? Can’ t come up with ur own?
yes they cant. they help from someone like you, who only know how to comments and comments and comments….
corolla, wat can you do? drift your old lousy car? did you earn enough to pay tax?
wahh…do you think that P1 design dept can make decision on their own without authorisation of top management??
meaning that their top management hire them for ‘gaji buta’, is it?
WHAT!!!
fulamak!,dasyat la proton,tapi nape x redesign lampu depan dgn belakang,amik design cesi saje,xbest la camni,azlan othman xde idea ke nak wat design?
i think he is sleeping
azlano busy design next persona kowt..nth..hehe~
Wow… .
Hopefully they will retain lancer bumper looks and not modify anything else.
I think this will bring down the 2nd value of current lancer.
What u all bros think?
Come on Proton! Stop stealing other model’s design and further downgrade your reputation. Sometimes it is ok to be innovative but not to the extreme! This is truly embarassing and Proton’s capability is questionable! Stop tarnishing the image of Malaysia as a car maker. Look at Korean now, they have left us very far behind. I wonder what kind of design engineers they have in Proton? Sigh…..
They do it with concern not like Chinese carmakers. it’s a JV between proton and Mitsubishi just to fill the product gap. Since it is a low volume production, proton choose to rebadged teh car and concentrate on mass production and big demand cars like Exora, Saga, and persona. Please read a lot before bashing proton. gone were the days under Tg. mahaleel they keep producing own design cars but cannot sale like Gen-2, Savvy, and Neo.
when Proton doesnt do rebadge they say Proton is not following the mainstream manufacturers strategy like Peaugeot, Citroen, etc….
I think rebadging 1 model is still okay… Proton still have many other models to offer its own quality & style. Rebadging M. Lancer for me is indeed a good strategy because the market for it is quite good. Malaysians do like Lancer! Ha ha
gudluck P1!
just wait n see.. i heard this one just filling the time gap between the new persona Replacement project that will be launched around 2011/12.. hehehe =P
yyyy???? x kan amik sebijik cm lencer nih.. aduiii… mati2 aku ingat diorang kuarkan new Waja replcment.. emmm..
They are not stealing it, you ignorant fart. They’re re-badging it with consent. If you care enough to read, you’ll notice that this current Lancer is already 4 years old and I believe it is almost due to be replace with a new design (if they use 5-years design cycle).
hey The1..Who stealing???..it 1 of the many business plan made by collaboration between Proton and Mitsubishi..Mitsubishi gave Proton, This Lancer to re-badge so they can sell more then Mitsubishi took a Persona/Exora and re-badge it as Mitsubishi then sell it to some markets around middle east/Africa maybe..so Who said stealing????
we should stick we want be do best for more global efficiency, continue cutting down timber and grow palm oil ;)
Come on man… rebadging or badge engineering is an automative term and it is not stealing…. where on earth do you live?
hopefully the price ada banyak murah la.
mitsu vs proton
cbu vs ckd
yeah….ckd…at cbu quality
cool, would really consider this for my next upgrade.
It proven that P1 shouldn’t be exist at the first place…This is giving our Bapa P1 a kick on his face..hahha
Now, the last thing P1 can do is, ask their lotus enginer to tune the car to have the lotus kind of handling…make it even better than a original Mit Lancer…
BTW, I wonder if Mit will agreed Lotus to modifify their chasis setting and improve the handling…
my little bird tell me the damper is change to suit Lotus/P1 setting. Heard they dont want to change too many things to compromise the quality (development, time etc) for their own contract assembly for this model (real Lancer for some market – assemble by proton for MMC). This will be stop gap measure before entirely new car coming out. And buy now, everything is Japan made!
How are they going sell Waja in oversea with this version? People will be saying is a Malaysian Lancer.
ahh.. imagine Jeremy Clackson’s sarcastic commentary….
it will just be, Hmmph. Pffft!
It’s a real copycat of current Mitsubishi Lancer. I am very glad I am driving Honda City i-VTEC, best 1.5L sedan ever produced. Nothing beats a Honda. Everything original unlike rebadged WRM. Is this the best you can do, Proton? Back to rebadging Mitsubishi cars?
No need to compare to the japs,proton are light years too early. Even compare to the Korean already shakehead. Look at those Forte, Tucson , Elantra and the upcoming Avente.
Their very own frigin design. man.. the korean must be proud as hell
U are driving Honda City .. but you talk big like u drive Ferrari loo…. sighh…
Thats the best car he can afford….. we poor ppl can only look or buy national car…. T_T” Buy national car bank interest high, still kena Hina/ look down by ppl who buy City~ Sad…
ya la…i think i shud email him a picture of honda accord car with stickers “MY HONDA TAK GUNA”.The honda accord owner placing a sticker all over his car (MY HONDA TAK GUNA).as his honda brake issue occured (brake lock while driving)<–i dont think this is minor problem.. dont be suprise,New honda accord with Plat num WSF…to steven,dont so proud wif your honda city and dont blame proton since you're not using proton.I'm proud to be pesona owner..good handling and no major issue occured after 2 years..i think,once new proton launch,go to nearby Proton and test drive ok?hehe
Thank you Fahmil for your “sacrifice”.
ur welcome, ;)
Fahmil
should be price lower than 90K for 2.0CVT.. to be competitive with Kia forte 2.0 which have bunch of accessories..
exora pun join sekali trip dengan waja evo nie… model baru nie mersti bubuh campro turbo punya… nanti si lancer evo pun ada saudara kembar tapi lahir kat tempat lain… belakang design 100% sama, tapi depan cam lain je…. lagi bagus kalau proton terus kekalkan bodykit depan asal lancer nie dan hanya replace logo mitsubishi dengan logo proton je…
Surprised minimal changes were done to the Lancer’s exterior.
Other companies also rebadge cars, for example Holden and Cruze. However, Proton is rebadging a car already on sale in the same market. I pity the people who bought Lancers.
Accessory shops! This a big business!!! Please prepare the Lancer & Evo X bumper and Mitsubishi badges!! A whole swamp of Proton Lancer is going to modify these items XD
Half-cut shop owner’s will be so happy. Can bring in lots of bodykits, dashboard, seats and other accessories from Japan. All plug and play!
There will be no more halfcut shop in near future. Our G already decided to ban import of used part starting june next year under new NAP.
kickass!
After 25 years, still want to do rebadging. Can’t really independent from Mitsubishi?Wonder why Proton can design EMAS but can’t make its own design for Waja replacement. This rebadging is a shame for Proton supporters who are placing high hope that one day Proton will be competitive with other world class automakers.
u also tak sedar diri.
Hyundai also rebadging kow-kow last time.. now nak eksyen pulak?
and obviously u know nothing about automotive business.
WTB this ar…
And we thought that Naza & P2 are the only ones re-badging their cars.
If you can’t beat them then join them. Lots of synergies to gain with this JV.
OMG!~
Remember the cons during waja launch? face look like alfa la, back look like beemer la signal positioned at left hand la, speedo in weird nominator la. I dont own a waja, ay auntie does.
I am really proud of Waja- the only MY design with good comfort, durability & safety. Its also a very good car except for slightly underpowered engine (typical MY issue) but who cares? its MY design.
after huge success with the model, are u saying they are going backwards?
Dear Proton, is is your maximum ability is to have 1 existing model by your design? like current saga only? we have high hope on u. but if this is what ur doing, we malaysian have ‘its ok la’ minded. But please.. kalau you dah copy design orang lain, offer premium goods to us. We want more power, we want better handling, no more optional accessories- make is standard and paling penting lots of safety gadgets ok? We’ll forgive u then
waja looks like all the above mentioned only after crashing in an accident. The stupid 1.8 renault engine has no spare parts n almost impossible 2 fix, just ask around, the only solution is japs half cut n after the new NAP policy, u can sell for scraps metal if it broke down. The 1.6 engine is one motherfucking hell of fuel gobbler but even more sluggish than myvi, the stupid power windows is hopeless, the A pillar dangerously blocks the drivers’ view, the car handling is worse than viva, the facelifted version looks even more horrible than a donkey ass, that is the waja tt u r proud of??? that car is crappier than shit, i wonder if u ever actually own 1 b4?
I own ’93 Waja 1.8 that has clocked up 150k kms. I change all engine fluids as stated in the manual and apart from a broken radiator fan (common problem with the 1.8 due to cheap plastic used by local vendor) the car has never given me any problems. The ride and handling is fantastic.
If you have never owned or driven the Waja 1.8, then stop bad mouthing it.
ermm.. its all about cost…. i think its a good business strategy.. and proton engineers can focus more on up coming persona replacement model… and buyers also get good quality cars like wira…..
pathetic!! tiru bulat bulat from a Jap car & price down a little from the original and claim it’s the next big thing of a national car.
hello friend, bila proton cakap this is “the next big thing?”.. this car still in testing phase, and you havent see any promo, already start bashing? who’s pathetic now?
flyers..maybe u need to wait till exora turbo came out..u might consider it..hehe..btw..poor current lancer owners..buy they got the real one..hehe..
Next time someone see’s the real Mitsu Evo…people might just think..”that’s just another Wajalution”…hahahahaa…
faster proton, i want a new car before CNY 2011 !!!
What’s happening here…??? Mitsubishi is going to loose their branding image with this kind of re-badging in Malaysia. Feels like we are going back to 1985 where all Mitsu cars disappears…. and replaced by Proton…. Common Proton, you’ve guys gotta move forward, look at Hyundai and Kia…..
saving development cost for WAJA. so proton can focus on Persona R & EMAS hybrid that more of Proton DNA
But it all people choice… who like Japan/Mit DNA & who like Proton DNA.. Good market plan..
This will totally piss off the other mitsu lancer owners.. hahaha.. now imagine the number of “upgrades” from proton waja to mitsu lancer… and even more waja-lution now.. so hard to distinct
Hope u guys got the money bcoz this CBU version is really a limited one.
After this P1 will CKD it and maybe some modification will be add there.
How do you know it is CBU? This new Waja Replacement originate from Shah Alam plant.
first batch (donno how many units) will be CBU
Or tanjung Malim plant i suggest? they want to move from shah alam wut….
No. It is manufactured in Shah Alam plant.
Why people so “angry” with this rebadging business?
That’s what most malaysians want, right? Japanese car at affordable price, right?
Most of them are lancer owners? lol
No its not the “bussiness” is wrong ,its the attitude, i mean come on, i for want are a bit envy n in awe of the korean, look what they come out with? new design with class leading equipment, they didnt even need a rebadge from others
I was hoping a “redesign” lancer at least make it our ( proton) own not direct copy pasta shiats. that just.. gawd =.=
i dont think malaysian lack of good designers we got plenty young talent. somewhere. rite? lol
Now the Lance owners know how Evo owners felt :D
Joking aside, I thing proton are not confident enough that this car will sell a lot. RM80k is quite a lot of money for most Malaysians and at that price range, it’s quite crowded: Vios, City, Forte, Latio, Swift etc. That’s not including Naza’s. ;-)
So, they’ve spent as little as possible on this project.
Anyway, if they re-design too much also, people will still change the bumpers etc to Mitsu’s. :lol:
And I think the actual selling price will determine how well thsi car will do. It must be below the psychological RM80k level.
Government Grant to Proton in R&D funds
FYE2008 – RM193.7Mil
FYE2009 – RM80.7Mil
FYE2010 (2Q) – RM143Mil
Total – RM417.4Mil ( Half a Billion in 3 years)
So are you saying PROTON needs half a billion to come out with the Strategy of Re-badging? Proton should sack the Advisor…yes i’m referring to you Mr.M.
While I’m not a fan of you-know-who we’re are referring to, he is not paid anything by proton (that’s what reported lah). And I think he’s been influentual in getting Mitsu back to play nice nice with proton (this is what I think happened lah [citation needed]) ;-)
What about Persona R? EMAS? Project Phoenix turbo engine? So easy you’ve forgotten that those projects are in the works to further your rebadging theory. Come on, don’t be an dumb basher!
feel sorry with you… do you know how much is the cost of developing a new car?? that does not include research in other department such as ev, hybrid…??? after 3 years, proton has come out with saga, exora, emas and the upcoming campro turbo…. all using those ciput grant from the government… and who knows there is something new inside the plant….
Toyota, Honda, Rover are among companies which received grants and subsidies from their Gov for R&D too…
Disgusted: hahaha.. cakap biar ada facts bro.. dan kalau betul apa you cakap tu, why hide you name, using this kind of username? apa nak takut kalau you betul?
zoro: i puji you punya postive thinking.
hahaah…..proton bukan lagi berada d proton lama…buruk atau comel pun, ia adalah produk proton tulen tapi syed zainal buat proton kembali rebadge kereta selepas kita pandai buat kereta dari sketch….tahniah syed zainal ceo proton yang d banggakan…
pe pun, masih sokong dan bangga dengan pencapaian yang d lakukan oleh tengku tan sri mahaleel, mantan ceo proton…..
produk ni lambang kekalahan proton…yng penting Proton MALAS…
nama yang baik bagi produk ini…proton MALAS
gie 7 pernah tak dengar cerita Mitsubishi akan rebadge Exora dan Saga?
Cuba google kat blog PT nih… banyak cerita dan komen PROTON kenapa diaorang rebadge Lancer nih.
Walau pun sampai sekarang tak ada perkembangan pasal Mitsu nak rebadge Exora dan Saga, tapi PROTON dah kaji baik buruk segment kereta WAJA nih…
Dengan duit yang ada sekarang, lebih baik tumpukan kepada penganti Persona dan Projek EMAS.
Produk ni bukan lambang kekalahan Proton, tapi kepintaran sumber wang yang ada dan kalau betul Mitsu rebadge Exora jadi Mitsu?
Exora Mitsu Rebadge lambang kekalahan Mitsu?
ribut, sebenarnya gie 7 tu yg MALAS!!!hahaha
Jangan cakap orang malas. tak baik. I am fine with rebadge with this condition:
Take a lousy car (cannot mention model here), retune it & equip with really way beyond the ori manufacturer’s spec.
That will make WOW! We know lancer is very good car ( i.e.; top end FQ series). reliable, & very good performance. There isn’t much identity can be created around a legend- cause people always look at the legend itself. P1 can put the lotus handling- but if u can get it from 3rd party, i dont see any point of doing so.
I really admire Holden. they take a humble ford & put a monster engine & new spec. See how they go.
Mitsu untung dengan menjual logo pada Proton, entah berapa puluh juta Proton kena bagi pada Mitsu
gie7, ribut was right.. pls do more reading, from factual source, not just from comments from other people before you gave comments.learn about business desicion and management. read how datsun went poor once upon a time before renault bought them.. learn and learn, dont just be like other bashers who wrote here like some standard 6 kids..
Pi mai pi mai tang tu. – Drama lah you P1.
Dulu you tarik harga now you want to kawan2x balik.
Jangan tunggu lama2x nanti di ambil orang!!!!
Terus kawin saja lah !! Kawin dulu nikah kemudian pun ok juga.!!
Kami tak sabar lagi tunggu anak2x model baru !!!
Bro! kahwin kerana harta ke kerana cinta…
kahwin kerana proton ada harta kilang paling moden di asia tenggara?
lepas kahwin?
tak dak lagi nama proton… kena tukar nama pda syarikat yang beli?
Proton ngan Mitsu nih bukan nak kahwin sampai bahagi bahagi harta pusaka…
Tapi lebih kepada “tak kahwin, tapi ambik anak angkat…”
Tu le Proton ambik anak Mitsu tuh (lancer)
Silap ari bulan, Mitsu lak ambik Exora jadi anak angkat dia…
hehehehe….
ribut, thats a good one !!
From my calculation, the price tag *should be* lower than RM 71K OTR.. Why? You can check Lancer GT 2.0 price in Langkawi (free tax) which is RM 71 K…
I hope the prce tag between RM 55K (lower specs) and RM70K (higher specs)
Btw, I think Proton will retained the paddle shifter as in original Lancer GT, because in one of the previous leaked photos, we can see the paddle shifter is there.
*BTW, how can the previous leaked photo is asked to be removed by Proton and the entry in paultan is okay? hihihi…
I will buy it if less than 90K 2.0with CVT (with paddle shift)
How come u can calculate price will be 55k – 70K????????pity to you..how can proton make money if sell u very cheap price…do you think p1 want untung rm1 per car ek??hahaa..i bet this one will be 70k-80k..very sure for that….no doubt…2.0 80k, 1.8 70k..we’ll see how much k…but 55k is nonsen loo..neo cps manual already 57k..think la…sure neo, persona and gen 2 x laku if sell 55k..if 65k sure exora xlaku ma..70-80k to beat vios and city ma…very clear that i p1 main objective.
Ah Beng & Ah Lian purchase this Proton Lancer sure will change the badge, sticker and bumper to Mitsubishi Lancer.
Real Lancer owners sure cry out loud… sad :-(
Proton should create their own identity!!! this is not the way forward!!!
Rebadging is back in trend now. And what a way to celebrate 25 years – rebadging a Lancer again.
Btw, Geely just concluded purchase of Volvo.
Any plans for R3 Waja ?
YES PROTON !!
Teach those Perodua and Naza boys a PAINFUL LESSON about rebadging !
OMG.. What will happen to HELANG LEBUHRAYA??? (currently Mitsu Evo 10)
When there are so many EVOLUTION 10 on the highway…the PDRM’s Helang Lebuhraya cannot act anymore.. heheh..
GO GO GO!!!
MITSUBISHI EVOLUTION Era is coming back to Malaysia!!!
The Helangs keep getting into accidents. :-)
From an insider, this model will replace PERDANA.. is it true?
Your insider is actually a bystander. Perdana will be replaced by VW Passat.
oh wow…..another Paul wannabe….VW already rejected partnership with Protong 2 times bcauz they know it is a suicide mission…..u think they will give Passat to rebadge….hahaha….suit ur name…
Alright the next model EVO X rebadge as WAJA R3 2.0 Turbo & price slash 1/2!!!! Yooohoo
Gosh… There will be lots of Lancer on the road & how can we differ which is Waja & which is Mitsubishi… Malaysian likes to modify their Proton like what happen to Wira… Now Proton made Malaysian modifying job even easier with this ‘Waja Lancer’…
Haters stop bitching . Just hope that the new proton has it’s own unique traits, perhaps better ergonomics and refinement than the lancer while having the mitsubishi’s technical underpinnings. It ain’t all that bad, you know.
perhaps?! talk facts lah, the current steering of all protons feels cheap and hard! and you think they will come up with better ergonomics than mitsu?!
fuf.. bumper evoX laku like goreng pisang panas after this!! Japan wannabe..
I think Proton should come out with their own design.
Tidak dinafikan Mitsubishi Lancer mempunyai ramai peminatnya di Malaysia.
Tidak dinafikan juga, penggunaan Lancer sebagai ‘base’ untuk pengganti Waja, akan membolehkan ramai pembeli memiliki kereta seakan Lancer pada harga yang mampu dibayar oleh mereka.
Sebaliknya, kreativiti Proton tidak akan berkembang jika Proton hanya menciplak reka bentuk kereta sedia ada. Menggunakan Lancer sebagai pengganti Waja, membuatkan kita tertanya-tanya mengapa Proton tidak merekabentuk sendiri kereta yang akan menggantikan Waja. Apakah yang dilakukan oleh ketua pereka (head designer) dan anak-anak buahnya di Proton? Apakah ada kerenah birokrasi yang menghalang pereka-pereka ini merealisasikan rekabentuk mereka? Apakah Proton tidak memperuntukkan dana yang besar untuk rekaan kereta? Jika ini berlaku, tidak ada gunanya kita melahirkan ribuan graduan muda yang kreatif dalam bidang rekaan automotif dari IPTA/IPTS tempatan. Tidak ada gunanya kita menyambut tahun 2010 sebagai tahun inovasi dan kreativiti (Malaysia Inovative 2010) jika pengeluar kereta nasional masih terus menggunakan reka bentuk kereta dari syarikat automotif negara lain.
ohh macam itu.. boleh saya tanya, Persona, Exora, EMAS.. itu semua ciplak reka juga?
Geran yang diberi kerajaan boleh tampung untuk RnD semua jenis kereta?
tahu tak berapa banyak kos utk reka sebiji kereta? setiap keputusan yang dibuat sudah ada plus/minus masing masing..
alo kawan….i afraid PROTON will use caburattor engine again la…..hahahaa
hey, stop using my tax money to play your creativity and innovative!!!!!!
are you kidding me? do you all pay tax? do you all sayang your tax money?
invest on school and hospital la, why wanna give the car designer play play with my money??? remember the failure of savvy??????????????????????
gen2 can sell or not?????????
my goodness.
I’m commenting specifically on Waja replacement model, not Persona/Exora/EMAS. And above all, it is just my opinion.
woi pakcik.. apa yg proton buat skrg ni adalah strategi pemasaran.
kutip untung drpd new waja ni.pastu baru diaorg boleh sambung RnD utk
projek lain. xkan hari2 nak RnD. strategi namanye.. strategi !
some info that i heard b4….that this new waja equip with 4g93 engine(Putra & Stria GTi engine) not with current lancer engine the 4b10 or 4b11…..betOi ka?????
no lah. the other forum shows the chassis plate complete with 4B11. My little birdie told me its 4B10 as well, no S4!
after this alott of ori Mitsui Lancer owner Badge, Body parts, spoiler oso rims got stolen by new wajacer owner…i’m sure hehehe..below 80k is reasonable la…if put 100k than lu pakai sendiri la….
mmm after this i can get 2nd hand ori mitsui GT…with cheaper price …maybe 70-80k….haahaha…coz lancer ori owner feel so malu now coz so many rempit guys use lancer replica…better buy civic, mazda 3 etc own this car will put u dalam elit group.lancer after this utk golongan mahrain sahaja hahaha…
btw after this we oso saw many ori EVOX got stolen…and hopefully EVOX price will drop kekekeke
i’m thinking to change my current gen2..should i wait for this wajalution? i’m worried about quality..lesson learnt from my previous experience…patah itu ini, bunyi di situ di sini.. ;)
beli sekarang bro, 1st batch datang dari jepun semua barang dia..
OMG, damn regretted i din go for civic or altis or 3series n i can’t believe mitsu allowed such *reputable* company to use the exact design,engine n gearbox n rebadged the model…..my car resale value now in deep shit omg omg omg….what am i going to do now??! i felt like an idiot of the whole universe…
Haven’t u guyz heard/read? This for d economic of scale reasons.
Mitsus takin Proton product, n so does Proton..
Barter trading? Understd?
N Its a GLOBAL TREND..
My source from P1 told me all the materials were brought in from Japan. P1 only assembles it here. More like CKD to me. Differs in emblem only. Or in this photo the bumpers. The 1.8 price tag is like Vios although not sure J or G. 2.0 variant around 90k.
New era for Wajalution that will smokes other cars out of their way,oh boy.I’ll be having headache watching my rear mirror just in case these new Waja sniffing my City butt.
There was a group of ori Lancers in a convoy from Penang yesterday.
Dunno if they had seen this clone on their way to Penang…
What are you guys complaining about the rebadging? Other National cars like Perodua and Naza also did the same thing. The niche segment does not warrant a full model developement, hence the ‘rebadging’.
I will book mine with 2.0 liter engine and shift paddles! Essentially it is the same car as Lancer except for the bumpers, horn pad, rims and few other compents without the MMC logo.
Who care u book or not?
dun jump to conclusions laaa u guys,
they only rebadge one model only, to replace waja.
why? because they need the pure profit to fund their other own development
proton know that malaysians are so ah beng one, so they just rebadge this, sold them like crazy, get shit tons of money, use the money to development replacement for future models like persona replacement? , saga replacement? savvy replacement?
also, this is definitely waja replacement, not perdana replacement like a poster said above. This is confirmed by the Managing Director of Proton himself. for perdana replacement, they will rebadge other car (not mitsu’s car I think) and sold them to goverment for government’s use only. He said it’s a niche market, wasteful to spend hundred of millions ringgit to development a car for niche market.
atleast thy tell ppl it s rebadges lancer noting to hide , unlike p2 take some japan model n do same job n tell ppl its a completly new design by ‘our designers’…!
i tink its gona be the 1.8 and NOT the 2.0 without the paddleshift….
Not exactly rite..bro nabil
P2 is Daihatsu subsiardy of Toyota, they used Toyota design is OK and understood. Honestly, I never heard P2 claiming latest Myvi and Alza are designed by P2 engineers…
If one day P1 were taken over by VW, i think all malaysian will be getting a Polo GTI (Persona replacement), Golf GTI (Perdana replacement), Scirocco (satria Replacement) as their products too..same theory apply…
Golf is not equivalent to Perdana in terms of category or maybe size. Golf is more like a high performance hatchback like the 308 turbo while Perdana aka Eterna is an executive sedan. Perdana should be the VW Passat. U left out Beetle (maybe for Savvy)? Lol
hahahahaha..
1. to the current lancer owner, u are a loser. This next model owner just smile with proud bcz they can own like your car more cheaper and have better second hand price to sell.
2. for proton, this model makes u similar like Naza. just change the logo..do rebadge and sell. like selling non-virgin 22yo girls with new makeup and clothes.
3. for malaysian, this is nikmat for ur guys. now, everybody can drive 1.8/20 mitsu car with low price and with our own brand. “Proton, a low cost mitsu car with new logo and front grill”.
4. for proton salesman, u can heal the air with smile bcz this hot cakes will make you arrogant like the iswara and wira era. u can sit with your legs on the table and let the customer sign the booking form.
4.
Stupid Proton. All Mitsu Lancer owners must claim refund RM20K. It’s better off all Lancer sold here with MITSUBISHI logo cheaper by RM20K lah. Why use Proton logo? Stupid fool!
I would be very happy if they don’t rebadge anything and sell with cheaper price … hahahha
yeah it’s definitely gonna be 1.8..
please dun hope we gonna get 2.0, because we won’t
igt klu pro1edar ltk hage below $70k baru aku consider angkat sebijik taun dpn.ye le..kn juz rebadge je..bkn upgrade pn..downgrade lg ade le..kene taun dpn myk naik lg..silap2 mau $2.50 segelen.skrg bwk vios bln2 dh 7rat.nk angkat pro1 lancer 1.8 nih kurg2 lg 7rat lebih..kete saje dh dkt seriban stgh.klu time pro1 launch ar kete waja 1.8 nih kene plak subsidi myk kene tarik lg..mmg xbley jual nye..xbley blah..agak2 sume org kt luar sane pakat ramai2 angkat myvi dazzzlin pink kaler unlimitless edition gak nih..pikir2 beb.takat enjin 1.3 nih bley save time sempit..time xbrape nk masyuk..bile gomen nk start free trade afta sume nih..silap2 bley kwn angkat je evo ori kuat2 pon baru $60k je.agak2 b4 raye nih dpt bunos x?ade can x gomen revise gaji b4 jeneral erection 2011 krg?klu pakatan rakyat didahulukn bley titik bsn mmg cerah mase dpn..
aduh…sakit kepala baca post ko nih..
Ko tulis macam rempit! Reti tulis elok-elok tak? bukan komen kena bayar pon! ni bukan sms lah!
balik sekolah belajar tulis baik2 dulu la!! cis!!
bro, agak2x rase takde duit nk pakai keta cc besar.. tak payah pakai la.. takde sapa kisah.. ukur baju di badan sndiri org kata.. stick tu ur vios.. or wat ever myvi tu.. abes citer.
to me.. cc besar ni pn ada target dia.. some malaysian prefer to invest in bigger cc.. and now.. proton make their dream come true.. thanks to proton again.
tadak sapa nk paksa hang beli keta ni.
kalau hg ada duit n rasa kaya, hg beli .
kalau rasa vios vvti hg tu dah cukup, tak yah dok belagak dok tukar2 keta.
nanti hg nk makan pun tadak duit.
ka hg mmg tgh tadak duit la ni sampai nk tukar vios hg pakai myvi ja?
tak pa, plan elok2. kalau tk mo bayar duit minyak, naik beskal.
Bro! ko nih tulis meraban laaaa….. berdenyut kepala otak aku baca ko nye tulisan… darah tinggi aku dibuatnya…
Kalau ko nak cerita kereta cc besar ko tak mampu…. ko pakai je la vios ko tu…
kalau ko rasa vios ko makan minyak kuat sangat… ko cabut sticker perkataan vios kat kereta ko… ko ganti sticker PRIUS… eja betul betul tau…. P R I U S… bukan F R I U S
Mudah mudahan, ko dapat jimat minyak…..
Install Evo X bodykit lah.. hopefully these accessories guys are gearing up. If the price range is similar to Forte, we’ll have to compare specs to make the best purchase, right? Or do we purchase based on patriotism?
this car really looks better than Forte 2.0 18inch wheels summore..
the rear light of original lancer is so freakin ugly,
proton plz change that shit!
p/s : They won’t :/
If I am the car accesories owner/body kit manufacturer, I would start to flood my shop/plant with Waja Lancer Evo/GT body kit now…I think I would be able to cash and carry a Porsche Cayenne Turbo or Audi Q8 home pretty soon..hoho!
For Mitsubishi motor, it’s consider a windfall for them as they are expecting making hell profit by extended this product life cycle by another 10 year to 15 years or more depends when P1 want to take their next generation of Lancer. Just talking about copyright fee alone, it will be easily RM 5K/unit x 200,000 unit sold = RM 1 Billion. Additional of engine, transmission, electronic, chassis and blah blah sales..MMI will be laughing all the way to the bank by cashing in a least Rm10B from P1…(my rough estimation!)
For P1, an excellent car marketer (well..really has to re-classify it back to marketer..sorry guys) for 25 years, still a marketer that only know to gang up with malaysian government to fool malaysian money and still no going anywhere apart of Malaysian market…No worth for me to type more words for it…waste of time!!
For current EVO X/GT/GTS/EX owner, so sorry to heard abt this..but think positively, it’s time to grow the Lancer Club by 100 times and perhaps 1000 times in next 2 yrs time…
cheers..
man, r u only 1 of accessory owner in market? price fade out juz matter of time, only thing i could say is u good at imagination.
Even now Mitsubishi lancer convert to evo10 juz cost u 2K++ sahaja lol
machi..u dun have otak……….this model is to get profit..make profit then create new better type of car..if i the board director of proton sure this is excelent plan to get a money..think twice before u write..u shuld think far higher than ur height..if u got company, sure u canot maju, coz u duno how to make money..haha..and if u r really towkey bodykit, sure ur company dah lingkup..model not yet launch, u plan to order evo bodykit..u duno joint can match with this car or not..u duno…n if modification need to be done, sure all ur bodykit have to buang all..no people willbuy..haha
you need to make profit to make caR? and you need to tax us heavily for buying vios, and then you take my income tax to pay for proton R&D?
how many times of profit you make? you make 3 times
– Tax for buying vios
– Income tax to R&D
-Profit from selling car.
you get 3 times more moeny and you failure. Typical M style. hahahah, jual pisang goreng la, easier.
This is the best n smartest decision make by Proton from the pass 25 years ago. We don want the ugly gen2 face, we need some thing look better with lower price. Hopefully the price will be <80K.
First P1 to get paddle shift!.. err, still Mitsubishi tech.
As long as Lancer DNA in there, this car will dominate our road for the next 10 years! Like old Wira with Evo 1 DNA. And Ah Beng surely be happy!
Sadly i already buy new Persona. Poket dah kering.
Dominate for 10 years? Dis is proton la, this model will exist for at least 20 years! lol
ala…. jangan dok kecoh sangat pasal rebadging ni…. P2 lagi dahsyat semua model rebadge…. masa P1 bawak keluar model gen2, persona, waja dok kutuk hodoh la apa la… aku ingat nak gak la satu…..
dunno if power window sickness will be back?
The last few mitsu models, saga, wira and banana all have power windows problem..
hmm…. hmm…
I doubt that those who say “Copycat” is probably someone who own a Lancer or a kid that didnt follow global car news.
We all know this is a JV btw Mit & Proton,
and Mit is going to rebadge Exora and sell it in certain country.
Shouldnt we proud of it as well?
And to redesign a whole new car from a scratch isn’t as cheap as you can imagine…
I think rebadge is a good strategy where Proton & Mit both win win $$$
previous waja already use projector as a headlamp… why not this rebadge mitsubishi – proton model using projector headlamp too.. as we can see on taiwan lancer fortis.?
Proton after 25 years still has not grown up……….
What a Shame! If rebadging is your business might as well shutdown the R&D Department and establish the Rebadging Department. I bet you can save alot of money out of it!
so, Mr Ikan.. do proton rebadge all their car?
Yes most of it Mr Corolla
old Saga/Iswara – Lancer
Wira – Lancer
Satria – Colt
Perdana – Eterna
Proton after 25 year = Biggest Loser!!!!
Grow-up Mr.Ikan,
Its EASY to just BASH..
I seriously think that P1 have progress and improved after all these years.
anyone wants to buy my CPS?
sell me the engine only cannot ka? :)
Watch out for the EvoTON!
konfom aku angkat PROTON LANCER 1.8AT B-LINE SOLID IVORY WHITE!!!!! protonedar ckp pas raye aji aku bley dpt..baru RM 69,548.00 sahaja..kire2 RM699 installment bln2 tanpa cengkerang..konfom honda city xlaku lg pas nih..skrg pon hidup segan mati xmau..kire new waja nih compete dgn vios je le yg setarap
i sapot…hehe…really that price bro???…interested too..atleast 40k savings for my new evo X front and rear cut…hahaha..so gonna get this car when it is launched…convert full evo X kit..JDM style…hehehehe…
Vios ialah low budget car kat Japan, Indon, Thai. Vios teksi tu biasa la.
Same like Saga BLM kat M’sia ni.
Org M’sia je ingat level high bila bawak Vios.Funny.
I think Vios is a third world family car. Am I right?
Agreed blackjkx..
They are stupidly proud when driving those dugong eventho it just base model: J spec.. put some bodykit & TRD emblem.. already feel like riding a TRD tuned race car.. sigh!!
Seriously Saga is far more better that stupid dugong.. I still wonder, how people fall in love with that ugly dugong??
aku rasa betul kot.. sebab Forte pun RM75k je kan. sure la Proton nak compete dgn forte jugak. takkan nak biarkan je kot… hehehe
Apa ada class nak compare Vios dan City dgn Lancer ni. Waja Lancer ni sama class dgn Altis dan Civic. Vios dan City is a small compact car iaitu classmate dgn Saga BLM laaa.
haha…canggih.,aku rase mcm bekenan jek..rebadging ke tidak..janji cun!!!emblem Proton baru ni pun garang gak,so takda masalah sgt..tkyah tukar emblem mitsu…yg penting ‘power’…dgr enjin Mivec..so no doubt tentang ke’poweran’ enjin tuh…plus lotus handling lagi..dah cukup package….harap price dia jgn mahal sgt dah…
previous waja already use projector as a headlamp, and HID on cps models… why not this rebadge mitsubishi – proton models using projector headlamp too instead of normal reflector.. as we can see on taiwan lancer fortis and imported evo 10…? for 1.8 projector using normal halogen and for 2.0 projector using HID….
Proton,
After 25yrs, this is the best that u can do? After 25 yrs of denying honest wage earners cars that they trully deserve, a basic rebadge is the reward? Come on Proton. You are even worse than Perodua. At least they change lots of the phisycal appearance. But to just change the badge, and bumpers? My god….This is not the way a common platform should be done. The lancer is very heavy, about 100kg more than and FD civic. Yet it is no more spacious, and the boot space is small for the size.
I can only afford protons and peroduas. After waiting for so long, i am really disappointed. What should i do with my waja? It has served me well for 8 yrs but i need a new car. Shame on you Proton!!
simpan je.
amik persona r thn depan xpun perdana replacement.
cheers..
friend, u should consider selling ur waja and buy viva instead, it’s better than proton.. proton buleh.. yeaahh!
Have you ever seen the bumper beam for Perodua Viva? It just like our aluminium cloth hanger bar. Try to compare with Proton Waja and any other cars from Proton and from other car manufacturers.
By the way, even older Perodua Myvi has stronger structure not just to compare the bumper beam alone!
then you should wait for the persona replacement mate..another 2 years to go but pack with many stuff like the turbo engine, esp n such
Alas, that’s why seriously, P2 MPV is a better choice here…
Dear “hardcore” proton fanboys,
I don’t get your silly rants and instigation about Proton must be able to build their own car’s 100%. I believe this re-badge business is a great medium for platform and technology exchange. Finally, they’re back to assimilating Japanese technology into Malaysian engineering is that a bad thing? Just ask the proud owners of old Mitsu inspired saga or wira how good they car was (or still is).
This should be a stepping stone to improving their technology and quality for their next cars line up. What? Don’t tell me you guys are still waiting for proton to whip up another Savvy or Tiara on their hands?
Georgie,
I am ok with platform sharing. That is the only way now. Look at VW grp. How they produce their cars are remarkable. They seat, skoda and Vw. Evan sharing a common chassis, e.g a golf chassis just look at the difference. To just change badges is just ridiculous. Like i have said. We have been deprived for so long, and this is the best they can give? Be imaginative Proton. You are already 25yrs old now.
Those aren’t Proton fanboys! Those are bashers!
Georgio, i owned a saga and wira before, both are made of shit. Do u want to know how much was spent to repair and maintain it
depend on how u take care and drove your car lah bro.. my gen2 5 year… only normal service only…
Yeah, shame on you, Proton. Looks like Proton has gone backwards by rebadging Mitsubishi Lancer as WRM. Everything is the same, only the front grille is Proton. Back to square one. WTH!
two reasons for re-badge, 1st, to achieve economies of scale, 2nd, to avoid of disadvantages of selling under original brand such as taxes. obviously P2 have successfully doing that but the donor of the technologies obviously getting richer easily also. now P1 = P2.
Just when you thought that P1 was aiming for the stars with their Emas and whatsoever EV models here they come up with a rebadged model.
Its like one step forward and 3 steps back.
Shame on you P1 this is going back to the jurassic days.
proton is celebrating 25th birthday,as a surprised prXton give us…. wajalution
very Disappointed to prXton only know how to copy!! what thay say that…em…prXton the copycat
This is Malaysia. Even to make a needle is also needs outside technology. Our car industries will not go anywhere if still ciplak orang punya. Just let P2 and Naza do re-badging. Already 25 years but incapable to design own car. Sure this car will convert to look as original Mt lancer even soooo ahbeng….. or just wait in 3 years then you can see lot in chop shop..
a few hundred will be CBU from Japan…but unfortunately without proton high standard of ride n handling…a newly tuned suspension will be made after the car CKDed
It is a fact that Mitsubushi Lancer is not doing well in Malaysia. Now, don’t tell me Wajalancer going to boost Proton’s sale? Proton should explain to ‘rakyat’ what business strategy this suppose to be? Why not rebadge Proton with designs from BMW, Peugeot or other continental cars? Where is Proton pride in competing with other car makers? Well, as long as Proton is protected by government, majority rakyat have no choice but to buy the Wajalancer at affordable price. Sigh…..
Yes i agree with u.Why don’t we rebadge BMW (Banyak Makan Wang) and Peugeout ( No Value car) for unaffordable common Malaysian people. Makan pasir lol.
The original Proton Waja was launched in 2000. It was an in-house effort – more or less. Ten years later, Proton has chosen the Lancer EX as the donor vehicle for its replacement? Is it a case of one step forward, two steps back?
Waja was also a borrowed platform.
and then.. this convert back to lancer… but the price tag.. not many different with mitsu lancer…
i think its good bisness to proton. i’ll sell my waja n buy this definitely hehehe. i hope this car got good nvh and overall quality. my dream car lancer cannot afford, wajalution hope can afford if price is good. hehehe. ok what?
For those people always bash Proton rebadge the car, better look at the bigger picture. Globally. Even global manufacturers did that and still doing it until today and globalization in automotive world, car manufacturers trying to save money by collaboration and not because they don’t have capital or technologies in hand.
Yes, I do agree Proton cars come with quality issues. Yes, we need to point it out but not to bash Proton alone. Look at Toyota, Honda, Citroen, Mercedes Benz, BMW etc. How many years of product planning, sketches, R&D, testing, manufacture, yet until today, they producing or their respective suppliers manufacture and producing defective parts. The things is that, when things come to Proton always cons… and when talk about other badges all the pros and seldom we heard about cons…. covered up or something?
No matter what, for sure Proton should learn fast and make no silly mistakes! Do come out with better equip cars… That’s all!
mazda3 vs civic fd2 vs lancer GT comparison review should be now mazda3 vs civic fd2 only..struck out lancer GT…so sorry for lancer owner out there…your share value would be changed to category “PN4” anytime soon…The power of dreams!
Another fine example of Malaysia boleh.
All those billions of RM pumped into so called RnD and Lotus..
and this is what you get.
Dr. M will be very proud indeed.
Later the owner will rebadge this to Mitsubishi…..
how on earth only paul can spot all these things? Paul do you have the 7th sense, lol
guys,its not called tiru la..mazda 2 and ford fiesta essentially also the same car.so what?
If creativity cannot make money, it is time to go back to re-badging and hope to get back its golden years.
Other than sales, it would benefit lancer lovers as well as consumers’ satisfaction, because re-badged means technically and practically proven with minimum problems and warranty claims.
I would say it is a good move for proton. Without enough profit, it means no budget for R&D, and cheapo R&D will cause more technical issue and also low quality products.
All they care is about profit and hope this new waja should maintain its price or maybe below 80K. In order to come to that price, maybe you will have lancer body but 1.6 campro engine (maybe with cps)…
have not read through the entire thread… but OMG… they are so going to kill the lancer’s second hand value :P
Lancer owners are gonna smack their own heads if this means massive value depreciation for their cars.
I think all these sour grapes who condemn this rebadge effort are Lancer owners who are doomed with rapid resale value depreciation.
*chortles*
Oh I’m not a Lancer owner…
Eh I’m not referring to you :D
Lancer will always be a Lancer.
Waja will always be a Waja.
opt for brand or performance? ;)
This is a new WAJALUTION! xD
No originality there. I’m expecting after 25 years, Proton would come up something like Skoda, making good quality cars after decades of old bangers. I just wish Proton was taken over by VW (oh, and the thought of driving a ‘Satria Neo’ Scirocco!!)
Nice example, NOT! Skodas are basically VW underneath it! Almost every bit of the car comes from the VW parts bin.
After so many years, this is what you/we want and proud of?
look at VW Touareg, Audi Q7 and Prosche Cayenne, they all share the same platform and basic chasis only but the design, engine, transmission, suspension etc are all diff among their own tech.
P1 design department has the easiest job in the automative industry
their typical workday would be :
a) look at different car models
b) choose the design
c) rebadge
d) call it Proton XXX
continue cylce (a)-(d) every 2 years for each segment.
That sounds more like NAZA.
And I think NAZA is very smart. ;-)
Friends,
This re-badging will definitely increase proton sales by a great margin and is a great news to ALL potential buyers. Original Mit Lancer buyers, it’s worst news you ever get! your car re-sale value surely drop tremendously. Good Luck!
My friend bought a Aeroback Saga back in 2006 for RM 38 K. I think in 2008 (not sure) PROTON held a most desperate SALE ever by selling the model for RM 25 K, so that they can clear all their remaining stock b4 the New Saga Launch. The Aeroback Sales was magnificent! BUT as for my friend, it was the WORST news ever because when he sold the car at 2009, its only valued at RM 17K. (2 yrs = RM 21 K). I don’t Y, he so desperate to sell it but he is aware of the huge lost.
This story tell us, Proton will do whether to make MONEY! GOOD LUCK to all Buyers!
Why buy Mitsubishi Lancer if you can get a Proton that looks the same with the lower price….Hmmm wonder how people going to sell their 2nd hand Lancer when you have a new car that is almost the same price (or maybe cheaper) hahah
I thought China is good at copying but never thought Malaysia lagi tere…..Malaysia Bolehhhh!!!!!!
I simply love it. Perodua have done it with MyVi, Viva etc.. And work very well will their selling and marketing strategy. So why cant Proton. Proton, in my opinion, are brilliant in decision making by rebadging this hot model lancer for our domestic market. Well done!
everyone is soo damn mad ..when myvi do some rebadging…but yet..most bought it..but when it came to P!..yeah..blasah 5 series to p1 pun..sure org mel suke…typical ..typical..
Nice rebadge, Thx proton for showing Naza how the rebadge need to be done. Kick the AP king still claim as local assembler out of field. Naza the one that poison the market by lobbying price all car segment from poor man car to high end car.
while driving this car, would you feel inferior to the Mit Lancer next to you on the road….
the feeling will definately be there.. lots of mix feelings really for both side.. :P may see Mit Lancers side to side with waja lancer on highway soon xD
Haha…..WajaLancer……look like Government will going to open market soonest.
…..CBU become CKD will low price
…..More International car become Local Assembly….Forte, Bestari…etc
If you have heart to buy a new car…..please wait for 1 to 2 years…more selection
Dun rush….sure you can get a valuable car.
reading most of the comments…guess if this is the new WAja….
Proton may get good sales from this model….
Good luck Proton..!
Wonder whats going to come next??
Wira replacement = Subaru STi
Gen2 = Honda Integra
Persona = Honda Civic
Exora facelift = Toyota Estima
Savy repalcement = mini cooper
Satria GTi replacement = VW Golf GTi
All that may be possible in Malaysia now….
wow nice…copy….edit…sell
that’s why we all love Proton!
Nothing to proud about ! Is this best effort by proton team after 25 years ? Divorce Mit now remarry Mit … just a sign for outsiders, P is not capable, then people ask where is the Malaysian team based in the Lotus, they suppose to learn to design and come up a new platform for national car. Many countries can do rebadging BUT no need to take so many years to learn that and NO NEED to invest so huge to do that. If you buy a rebdging Mit, it is still very much expensive after you know how much they sell in Japan or Thailand. I expect Proton to do a much much better job after taking so much money from G and indirectly the people, do something good for the Msian, instead become a burden for the people. The mission was set up correctly by the PM in 80s, ask him now, is this considered successful ? If not, just let go, let’s open the market again … don’t just take care of the few thousands supplier of proton and sacrify the millions of people money and dreams (of having nicer car than proton)
konon..they even send their rnd eng oversea to do CPs..well..by the end..ni la hasil..nice…
what is Savvy, Gen2, Waja, Persona, Saga BLM and Exora?… arent they all build on protons own platforms? bar SAvvy and early Waja… they are on Campro engine, another Protons own… platform sharing is a way forward now in the car industries, VW, BMW and Audi share the same platform. only their “topping” are different.. ironically you complain about peoples money being wasted in proton’s R&D, yet to design a new platform for 1.8 and 2.0 segment which dont have much demand? is it economical?.. that require your money as well isnt it?.
people still comparing the price with the neighboring country..instead they should compare cost of owning a car…then only they will realise the prices they pay at the end are more or less the same… all Gs need money, and car had always been the darling source of taxes and incomes for Gs. license, insurance, fiances, taxes, tolls, speed traps, parkings etc..u named it…
Who cares about the policy and whatever it is.We just want our dream car.I have been staying in Japan for 4 yrs.Japanese people can buy the local cars because the price is quite cheap but they can’t drive the car everydays because they can’t afford to pay the tolls( lagi giler dari toll malaysia), petrol, parkings etc. The only Japanese dream car is Mercedes and BMW. Not Honda or Toyota.
thats the point isnt it?.. buy car and take the train… no wonder la its cheap… but hey… its good for the enviroment.. back to square one really.. the Gs need the money..the car is a way to get more money…
the Japs sell them car cheap .. but owners are forced to sell them after a few year because they have to pay for yearly checkup..the best part is..after 6-7 years or so.. u have to pay to get rid of them… so? … still think its cheap?
when people say, “look at that man, a Mitsubishi Lancer rip off! ” it would be embarassing for Malaysians abroad.
So please don’t export this car!
Poor Lancer owners….their car value will drop significantly….mitsubishi shouldn’t have let Proton do this to the Lancer…
maybe MMC will cameout with new model.. afterall its good for customer like us..
MMC not so stupid to let P1 copy all their specs.
No way the rebadged version will ever come close to the latest engines from MMC.
DSZ has to step down for coming up with this no brainer. !!
What so proud about Mitsubishi.They shut down the assembly in Australia and some in United State.Japan have no core technologies in automotive.They are just like others. Copy and paste and edits.That is how they work.
Can see a smile from ‘Kedai Abang’ boss…. :-)
So what engine will it be?
it’s 4B10 engine
no, i think an upgrade of savvy engine……
yahoo!!!!!!!..finallyyy we got proton lancer at cheaper price…hehehe…time to look for evo X halfcut and rearcut and dump in…wakakakaka…with the amount of money saved from the original lancer gt, can get front and rear cut evo x, dump inside..instant evo X…extra we can spend tweeking abit..kekekekekeeke….the real wajalution…hehehehe
If using CPS which sucks then this model won’t sell.
It’s like using a Blueberry instead of a Blackberry. :)
To those Lancer owner who want to sell their cars pls contace me, i still prefer Mitsu. Eventhough the design is the same.. Mitsu still Mitsu & Proton still Proton. The material inside the car..the quality all not the same . CBU not the same as CKD. So Lancer owner..don’t worry, you still got the Mitsu adrenalin inside you car.
but you don’t know that first batch of Waja Lancer is actually CBU from Japan? it’s basically the same man, but maybe RM30-40K cheaper!
nice car…tune skett by lotus..pastu wat limited edition..sure leh jual ngan harge 200k..cantekk..syabas proton..syabas
come’n !!!..tune skett kasi gempak..suspension kasi tukar..and..sure laku at 200K nyer…
don’t mean to be negative but after 25 years, we are back to square 1. I think proton should at least have some pride and try to emulate the Koreans. Look at Hyundai and Kia today!!! tak malu ke? and sorrylah to those who bought the real lancer…ahaha…your car will worth much more going to scrap. sorry…
I pity all the Lancer owners , besides the sales of Lancer might drop due to this ” Waja GT ” model and the resale value of Lancer will drop.
congratz proton for following pero2 path..at last u knew pero2 is making a right decision by rebadging!
Haha,what kind of person are you
aiya should change your name to KATAK DI BAWAH TENPURUNG instead
proton are exchanging car with Mitsubishi,see who wanna exchange car with perodua,NOBODY!!!
who cares mitsu gonna get exora platform…the facts is proton rebadging lancer with only bumpers changed juz exactly like pero2..wakakakaka
wat a lame idea…in tis auto industry moat r sharing many parts to produce mass production cars ..
Come on Apalalu..be practical ok..even Perodua Nautica has no different with its siblings from Daihatsu..just change bumper, and badges..and prices walla..more than Perodua Kembara..so whats the big deal with Proton.
The question right now is, will this re-badge Proton conflict with Mitsu ‘s local business plan or not?? Because apparently, Mitsu is still selling the Lancer 2.0 model locally, and we have not seen & yet to see any new replacement model for the current Lancer!!
Which is why this rebadge Proton must have some kind of differentiation to the original Lancer 2.0 e.g, exterior wise/engine. Remember, Proton never did an exact copy of Mitsubishi models. In the case of Naza Bestari, it was introduced several years after the Pug 206 was replaced with 207.
Hahaha,many of you don’t know something when proton re-badge lancer,they are actually exchanging models with mitsubishi,mitsu take exora and persona while proton take lancer as an exchange,so if you’re saying that proton doesnt improve anything after 25 years,what about mitsu,peugeot and citroen also re-badge mitsu’s car.hmm,Typical Malaysian,simply stupid.Reminds me of ‘katak di bawah tempurung’.
i totally agree with you man….all this bashers only know how to complain..this is just business and proton needs to make profit…when it comes to PROTON, everything is not right for these bashers
What a shame!!!
Malaysia BOLEH??? boleh tiru…
haha…now evryone is copying…actually copying is a gud deed..u try 2 copy others work and then do a little modification with it…Ta-da…a new design that differ from the existing model…dis is wat de world is doing…so, get on wif it…
malaysia so cheep?
Get ready to catch my Persona..hehehe..
Q:.Which car depreciates 1K a month ?
A.: Persona + Waja
Try selling your Persona/Waja now and you’ll get peanuts
esp those taking 7-9 year loans. Good Luck !!
who the hell soooo stupid to buy a car and sell back in a month?
if you do that with Ferrari, you’re car depreciates maybe 20k a month! be logical next time la!
I think that what many malaysian want… except some lancer owner, pity them. so thanks to proton
will ask mitsu lancer GT owner to sell their 18″ sport rim once i buy it.. hehehe
rather stick with premium japanese cars
Why don’t proton do the hatchback version? Let mitsubishi bring the sedan and let proton do the hatchback
well done proton!
Hahaha..another copycat from proton. After this Special Editon coming up..Limited Edtion also coming..
who care abt copycat..?? global oredi wat..all can share ma..
sharing is caring
M.LENSER:it look like me,sound like me but i’m sure is not me….
This is good news to all Malaysians who want to make their local car to be the next JDM but a nightmare to existing Lancer owners!
peh ni ramai budak2 p2 pakat ramai2 beli wajaLotion baru ni..malu la woi….
With that price i’d rather get a Kia Forte instead of a proton-ed lancer
i m very very lucky that i has booked civic 2.0 instead lancer 2.0 after heard of this ”proton LanJa” :P
when i bought exora early these year, i thought proton would stand up and be a real carmaker with their own design. A bit of patrioticism raise..
but with this step, it will be anticlimax..eventhough for economical issue, i will be more respect if proton design its own car..
quite sad..
pemilik lancer ada yg suke…ada yg tak suke….suke pasal sparepart lancer akan murah…..coz ramai pengguna…hehe…tp, malaysian ni..byk sgt komen pasal rebadging nape?? kan malaysian suke modified….beli wira..convert…beli waja…convert…semua nk mcm lancer/evo..dh proron wat gni…..pun nk bising ke….tp, kecewa la pemilik lancer sekelian….
Disgraceful…
now waja owner is on par with lancer owner now
Most likely they will offer the following:
1500cc base spec with 4A91 engine w/ 5-speed MT & INVECS-II 4-speed AT gearbox
1800cc mid spec with 4B10 engine w/ 5-speed MT or INVECS-III 6-speed CVT gearbox
The high spec might be better accessories such as paddle-shifters, leather seats, premium audio, steering controls & more airbags.
i like this!
before this you can easily identified wajalution on the road.. it’s very obvious.. and ugly! haha!! but after this.. no more! even if you drive a real mitsu lancer, people might think it’s a modified new waja.. hehe!! it’s like wearing a fake rolex that looks like original.. :P
Malaysian always like copycat car… nice job…
what i said right it is… why malaysian like P2 product? coz its copycat from toyota/daihatsu. n also P1 from mitsubishi. I can bet this waja lancer will sold like hot goreng pisang here… wait n see..
gosh i just never understand typical malaysian..when p1 came out with new model hand-made by them everyone bash..but then when they come out with something slightly better with the japs everyone bash also…
we just seems never get of enough of everything!!!
the way i look into it, this lancer is just some model to fill their niche market..it’s all about business.they already have saga for small car, persona for sedan and exora for mpv..no body buy perdana anymore so this wajalancer gonna fill the gap..they wanna get a larger pie outside there so let be it and i bet this wajalancer gonna sold out like ‘goreng pisang panas’…surely gov will make this as their fleet so expect in a few years, the police patrol car will be this wajalancer…
And I thought Proton has gone beyond re-badging! Sigh….
whatever la….proton…
I gave up with proton since 10 years ago…..
What’s the point? Com’on Proton, you have Lotus at your dispose and yet you still follow the footsteps of your younger brother Perodua by just Badge-engineering??? So tell me now…. you dare to put the R&H by Lotus logo on this model?? I’m speachless…
When the Gen2 / Persona / Satria Neo came to the market I told myself, Yes, Proton you have advanced and I’m totally proud of you, but this is disappointing!
its still better than waiting another several year waiting for Persona, Perdana and EMAS to come out.
Don’t forget Savvy.
Unfortunately, in real world, pride does NOT sell cars.
Japanese “brand”, however, does. ;-)
will somebody rip those black tape on the front grill !!!
i think proton treat this as a ‘side income project’ and it also helps mitsu in one way or another. Proton still have big original plan ahead. I believe they will do this rebadging exercise sparingly.
What a big injustice to the people… for those of you who rejoice over this, you must be mad, mentally deranged…
haha…this is not disapointment..more like rejoicing man!!!..wee huu..haha..back to wiralution days…hehehehe….now is wajalution for real..not wajaevo789 wannabe…haha…finally this is the proton i wanna get…if priced around 65-68k..really worth it..straight out factory, into halfcut shop..plop evo x…wakakakaka..dreaming away..proton, make it real this time!!!!!!!!!….hehe…if available 1.5 or 1.8..i tink 1.8 is best choice…upgradeable to 2.0 wiv flying colours…unless jpj come out new law…wakakaka..
Guys,
alamak! if we don do R&D then there will never be persona or exora.. and as far as i remember, we switch this evo with persona and exora.. then we got the latest brand of evo.. thats why we still need R&D.. as for rebadging, this is another way to make profit beside making a new car.. by the way, many big company also do rebadging.. so, whats the problem???
bottom line, if u don like it just shut the H**L up.. the saga now got no. 1 last month in sales.. whats that mean??? well, im sure u all basher don see that coming.. no, bcos u will look down in our national product..
if there is evo rebadge by proton in msia.. why don we wait and see how mitsu will rebadge our persona and exora??? its p1 brand.. and copy by mitsu…
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This is just to add easy money into the account…
after got some cash… hopefully, next car engineering and development can easily be done… the cash is there…
just re badge la..wait for next persona..if they keep re badge..i would say yes..proton has lost their identity.. relax..
Shame on you P1. Is this the best you can do after 25years of Govt support and help from the rakyat?
Hyundai is already No.4 in the world ranking. Both companies started around the same year.
And you can do is re-badge.
And you better pray that the Govt can support you for another 25years, or u will get squash up by competitors.
Bro,
Don’t you know there nowadays everybody is sharing platforms, engines, transmission and so on to save the development cost? Don’t you aware that Elantra is sharing the same engine with Lancer? It is common to share everything in the global market. We share all those things for small volume market car. But, we invest on high volume car market. That is how clever and clear mind make business.
WRONG! Hyundai started WAY before Proton did! Here’s an excerpt from wikipedia
Chung Ju-Yung founded the Hyundai Engineering and Construction Company in 1947. Hyundai Motor Company was later established in 1967. The company’s first model, the Cortina, was released in cooperation with Ford Motor Company in 1968. In 1975, the Pony, the first Korean car, was released, with styling by Giorgio Giugiaro of ItalDesign and powertrain technology provided by Japan’s Mitsubishi Motors. Exports began in the following year to Ecuador and soon thereafter to the Benelux countries. In 1991, the company succeeded in developing its first proprietary gasoline engine, the four-cylinder Alpha, and transmission, thus paving the way for technological independence.
I’d like for Proton to be on par, but it’s people like you who are bringing Proton down! People like YOU!
It is not ppl like this bringing proton down……it is proton itself bringing proton down….honestly speaking….will you still buy a proton if all other imports were taxed the same way as proton…….majority ppl using proton for economic reason as opposed to comfort, safety, design or performance………
Proton bringing itself down? Ask yourself this, why? Because in Proton there’s people like doob here who only know how to condemn instead of giving constructive thoughts! That’s why. People like him are bringing Proton down!
typical pengampu proton response, seeks to blame others for protons inability to make and sell good quality cars. these “others” arent the ones working for proton and building the cars that no one outside of this country seems to want.
ppl who complain about the prices of cars in this forum are always told to stop blaming others and improve themselves to make more money so they can afford the car they want. so proton should do the same.
Pengampu Proton? Hah, if only you knew! I currently drive a Honda City, and up until recently also own a Gen-2 of 2005 vintage. Guess which car gave me the most headache? WRONG! It’s the Honda! The Gen-2 had no PW problems nothing! That’s why I can stand up for Proton. Do you own a Proton? Not the old Wira but the new ones. Only then can you comment.
And I still stand by my comment that people like you make Proton into its current state. What, you think Proton workers, vendors and the like don’t think like you? Yes Proton should improve, and they are, yet still people bash. Malaysian mentality needs to change. You say Malaysian products = low quality, but don’t forget, you too are a Malaysian-made product! If everyone set in their mind that Malaysian products are of high quality, then automatically you’ll be motivated to get high quality.
ironic you should drive a honda (is it used)when you are bashing toyota and honda. and what was wrong with your old gen-2? why sell it aint broken?
and if proton is improving as you say why didnt you buy another one? proof of the pudding is in the eating. whether i own a proton is irrelevant and when i see my friend complain bitterly about theirs i am glad i dont.
a proton is a proton, whether the old wira or the new cars, you dont get to run away from your history.
yes the malaysian mindset has to change from a sheltered, “we will always be protected by the govt” to one that is ready to compete in the big wide world.
you are very funny in your thinking, proton is in deep trouble because ppl like me dont buy their cars?! oh please, nobody owes you a living, get that in your head!
Why sell my Gen-2?
1) It still have 4 years to run for its loan, whereas the City have only few months left. Plus, the Gen-2 was under my name, whereas the City is under my late father’s name who passed away. He’s the sole breadwinner of the family, and the car has not yet change the name so cannot sell it yet. Once it’s settled you bet you’re ass I’m going to change it.
2) If you say Proton is a Proton and can’t run away from history, then by the same definition should I buy a Toyota, since this year alone they’ve recalled so many cars for serious safety issues? It’s part of their history. Can’t run away from that. Since Toyota made those cars before, they’d make those car again in the future? How illogical is that!
3) Read my comment properly, I didn’t say people like you didn’t buy their car cause problems. That’s your inference. I said people like you cause problems for Proton because of your MENTALITY. MENTALITY need to change. What, you think Hyundai was high quality when they were 25 years old? Hell no, yet they have the mentality to improve. Here, bashers like you have the mentality of “eleh, Proton better close shop”. And don’t think that Proton workers are not thinking the same thing. That’s why they are where they are and we are where we are. When Proton came up with Gen-2, Persona, Exora people like you bash them to high heaven. Now rebadge also bash. That’s the problem right there. And it will never go away until we change our MENTALITY.
well it is a chicken and egg situation, until proton can bring their product quality up to a suitably accepted standard like EURO NCAP, no amount of coaxing will make me buy 1. so it isnt my mentality that is at fault here. you wanna take a shot at the people who work for and are vendors for proton then. why is it their products are still a joke after so many years?! maybe its because they know, whatever happens they will still be doing their job because the govt will always protect proton, no?! it is in essence a microcosm of malaysian society, where a section of the population is mollycoddled under the pretense of elevating their competitiveness but it is actually stifling their innate competitveness.
Just an advice…..buy the first batch (100+) of this Waja replacement model as it is CBU from Japan (only change the front and rear bumpers). Only later will they start to localise the components from local vendors. Wish I could grab one. Sadly it is only for Malaysia and Iran market (later).
u just provide readers with out-dated information and it is just too wrong to reveal it
are u sure this replacement waja or mitsubshi lancer ex???? hahahha
How nice if proton also rebadge VW polo gti, golf gti, scirocco for neo replacement, 3series, civic, accord, camry etc…. why not just put all badge under same proton badge only for this country? like that all make can be more affordable…rebadge rulez man!
I guess those who long for a decent looking car will support this re-badge program by Proton.
I wish proton solely does this 100% re-badging in the future, just dun smart-ass modifying the original design and pretend smart n unique. Learn from naza straight, just re-badge, consumers in malaysia just want a cheaper car with fine quality, high safety etc without paying the crazy tax. After 25-years of hardwork n dedication, I think proton is just not talented for this car making business, why not just accept the facts and go re-badging all the way, everybody happy at the end.
What is the difference, when 25 years ago, we took a Mitsubishi Lancer and called it a Proton. Sad that after 25 years of special treatment for Proton, and it returned the favour by giving us expensive substandard cars for the rakyat, and today we are back to where we started. Really sad.
Bro, I think there is something fishy going on with Mitsubishi and Proton, remember from one of Paul’s post, Mitsu is very interested in Exora?
if is really waja replacement, i feel sad. lack of creativity, still insist to be copycat. show malaysia way of design..come on..
They went to eat at the famous Nasi Beratur near Masjid Kapitan Keling & we got these pix on the net! Thanx to nasi kandar! :D
The lancer we have here is not a lancer in Japan
It is actually Galant Fortis a Galant replacement. Its called lancer here because of consumer familiarity with the brand. Mitsu did this to cut down on the number of models they carried when the market tanked a few years ago.
This replacement will most likely be for Perdana.
They call it Galant in Japan because this model is too big to be classified Lancer-class.
too identical v lancer…boring…shud make more changes,,,lik the Wira …which made malaysians proud
after EXORA I thought Protong sulah pandai bikin keleta..
after re-badge LANCER now Proton back to the drawing board = back to square 1
if this Proton LANJA (LANCER + WAJA) using maCAMPRO then power is dead already!
all LANCER owner better sell your LANCER before second hand value drop like hell..
haiyyaa! pity my LANCER friend..now ppl get confused that their LANCER is actually a Protong!
i think a same day i look this car with bro fahmi lor..
i follow this car at notrh south highway last saturday…
I agree….the current MIts GT resale value will hit rock bottom…..as what happened to Kia Carnival when Naza rebadged them……as well as Pug 206………eventhough the models were rebadge after few years sold under the original badge…..it will still affect the resale value for the ppl who bought earlier………..
Mitsubishi do not loose anything, they still manage to sell their cars cheaper and make similar profit to before rebadging as once rebadged under proton, the tax is much lower thus making the price cheaper…..the ones that really at the loosing end is the consumer…..the ppl who bought Lancer and has plans to trade in for a better car……other than that….all is well…..it wont affect ppl who has no plan to upgrade to a better car…………
Having said that…..it is true that a lot of car “manufacturer” rebadge other makes……but it is really nothing to be proud of…..
memalukan… proton dah kering idea ke..? kalau macam ini baik jadi Naza je…
sure kering idea?? baca byk sket bro.. persona r.. emas .. sume nak launch kot nt..
kering idea nk bash kot.. hu hu
BETUL 3X memalukan lah si abok nih….
ada lagi org yg tak paham
Memang memalukan proton pergi balik kampung tanam jagung la
lepas tun mahathir takde sure proton kena jual punyer hahahaha
helo ikan….
bagi komen bijak la sikit….
ko nih memalukan je laa…
dah dah…. tak yah komen lagi… pergi tanam jagung…
Aduhla.. susah btol kalo org berfikiran cetek camni bagi comment.. bukannye proton 100% jadi hantu rebadge cam Naza ngan P2 tuh.. mcm brader fade ckp, upcoming persona r, e-mas sume tu still proton nye hasil kerja what? bersyukur la proton trade badge rights ngan mitsu, mitsu dpt platform exora and proton dpt lancer. cube byg kalo rebadge kete cherry ke hape ke? these are tough times, proton kene rethink business strategy diorg. look and see where this will go. malu malaysia dpt rakyat cam ko nih. haih!
Current Lancer spare parts might be cheaper cause interchangeable with new Waja.
Feel so shame on Proton.. Juz to sell ur so called ‘national car’,we r forced to buy it coz its price suits for MOST of the ppl, than buying an imported car at ridiculously higher price… Who asked Msia to come up wit proton..Bete i buy Toyota or Honda with their real price, can save petrol n LIVES too..
Lancer can’t compete with civic & altis sales in Malaysia, that’s why Mitsu willingly & proudly pass this lancer for rebadging…this will benefit both Mitsu & Proton in terms of sales…this is business brother…and not about the image. Rm500mil to do R&D for new Waja…better rebadge to save cost & time. And if Proton develop new Waja, not sure can sell or not…somemore u all still condemn this & that. So the best way rebadge this lancer. Btw, i think Proton is clever now…they will rebadge selected model only…if rebadge Vios Dugong who want to buy???
Don’t worry, I think people who condemn Proton here most likely Toyota & Honda salesman who afraid their sales affected.
If i were to buy it i will rebadge it to Mitsu and ppl won’t know the difference…woohooo!!!! and i am only paying P1 price hahahaha
Wahhh…. lot’s said proton sudah kering idea la…. Tapi nak kata apa plak kalau Mitshubishi rebadged persona & Exora ?… Pemikiran yang cetek… all about biz ok. Brapa kos nak hasilkan platform baru ?. Proton dapat teknologi baru… tambah plak brapa kos tax boleh kurang kat situ ?… kalau lancer EX price dalam RM150k++ so berapa harga untuk waja baru ni ???. Semestinya kurang dari RM100K kan ?… Berapa ramai mimpi nak pakai Lancer ?… Klau tanya ramai (termasuk yang kutuk) tapi tak mampu sebab gaji ciput & bayar ansuran sampai 9 tahun (kalau bleh 12 tahun pun mungkin sanggup)… aihh… menyedihkan…
Really memalukan la.. After we see exciting models like gen2, neo and exora, why on earth they rebadge a mitsu..Haizzz, maybe they do it for cost saving.. Confirm more ‘wajalution’ this time on the road with ‘Ralli Art sticker/parts’ on a proton!!!!
Damage Lancer image at all.
Apa nak heran pasal klon-mengklon ni.. Tak lama lagi merc pun pakai enjin nissan.. Tapi tentunya dijual harga merc ori. Gitu juga P308 dengan Mini. Ada nak bangkang..? Nak beli P1, belilah.. Tak nak P1, belilah jenama lain…
Kalau kerajaan tak cukaikan kat kereta, dicukaikan kat benda lain.. Kalau nak barang bersubsidi, makanlah gula pasir banyak2 – sebab benda ni masih murah berbanding dengan jiran kita…
STUPID PROTON!!! ALWAYS COPY CAT OTHER MODEL…
SHOULD THING FURTHER…DESIGN OWN LOCAL CAR PLS…..
SO EMBARRASSING…
just wait and see…once this model is officially launched, and once people start buying it….the will be more Wajalution in town…or to be exact an Evo-to-be Waja….
Even the REAL mitsu lancer was such a crappy car,now Proton have made a crappy car crappier.So yea congrats!
If they sell it like RM 70k – 80k,haha,nobody will ever buy this junk….too exp for a Proton and besides,Proton reputation is very very bad..
that is why to cover their kemaluan, they call it a niche car ma. so pandai all the pengampu proton. lol!
At least the “pengampu proton” have a brain, unlike shallow minded persons trolling the internet…like you!
got brain but dont understand sarcasm, equals incomplete brain lah tu.
unfortunately..that what i heard. but if the spec is superb..i’ll take one!
stop talking bout 25 yrs bla..bla..bla..
it just a MULE. remember exora mule with wish-like body??
MULE is a MULE, not real product.
good job by P1 PR team..they’ve done a very good job to attract public interest.
p/s: I still remember Nissan PR team when they create hype for GTR (watch it at discovery).
if it is true, memang hang bijak! :))
like that also can ar…PROTON ?? so pity to the owner of MIt Lancer….wah!! MEMANG MALAYSIA BOLEH !! next time our Proton Perdana use BMW 5 series la…
Wa… I wanna buy… Later change logo… Can join LancerGTClub already!!!
i think they will wanna cheack your VIN number before they let you in, LOL!
pity for you all (and for me), this is not the waja replacement..! proton ceo already clarify this on tv3 news today, indeed waja replacement will only have smaller chassis as compared to lancer…
That is synergy, Japanese and European are so regular with this. Sharing model or engine is nothing new If Proton’s forecast sales for this model does not go higher than investment value, why waste money to develop?
If only that Proton is putting a little more effort in rebadge. Can be the same car, but should at least looks identically different.
Give me an electric version please Proton, I can wait a few years more. =D
Uh, how can things be identically different? That’s an oxymoron! Identical yet different?
Proton send designers/engineers to oversea & what they bring back is Reverse Engineering ! I like the new waja because of lancer model but im feeling like…hmm
25 years
they bring back not reverse engineering…but..REBADGING technology…!!!
Putting comments about the car aside, I think rebadging will actually do Proton good. Relatively, Proton is not a big car company. Hence, developing a new car from scratch will cost a lot in initial costs (R&D etc). Only a huge sales volume will justify a fresh design or new engine. Rebadging will avoid wasting this money since Proton is no where near Toyota, Honda, Hyundai or even Kia in terms of sales volume. I’m not going to condemn Proton for being “not original”, “boring” or “taking a step backwards”. In fact, this will be a money making move for Proton! The only thing I hope is that they don’t give us cikai quality as how they have “conned” millions of Malaysians into buying the low quality Mitsu-convert cars such as Saga, Iswara, Wira etc. So I’ll only condemn Proton if they go back to their old ways and give us substandard quality.
after 25 years proton back to square one..kissing the mitsuBASI **s..kudos to PROTON!..proton sudah kering idea!..wajalution dreams come true to rempits
maybe its not Waja. Remember they came up with a poster titled ”Name the new Proton sedan”?
This model might be a additional new family member….
The grill dosent suits Waja…hmm
To design a totally new model Proton have to spend at least RM 1 billion. Proton cash flow in very bad now at rebadge is the only way to survive.
Proton make a smart move this time because this car is going to make a hit. Anyway in long run……Proton is lost!
I remember last time paul post a article before this is a share platform among Mitsubishi and proton. where proton take lancer platform and Mitsubishi will take exora platform.
I believe this is just starting. Proton might us this lancer platform to develop another type of model come out who know, since share platform is quite common among car manufacturer.
Since now proton got new gema engine to play with it might also help proton R&D to develop more future proof engine in future.
Proton already have a project to build a new engine family.
So that explain where the R&D fund goes.
..i do not think that this would be the waja replacement..
maybe this is not the finished product & proton is just using it for some R&D purpose..
it is still clearly a Lancer if u take into account that it has the japanese leftside fuel tank inlet and not the rightsides like all Proton models have..
just an opinion~
bro…proton give customer best design also complain….proton give bad design also complain…then, wut design that peoples really need? even mitsu didn’t care to give their model design..
btw…left fuel nose…wonder inside the hood..
The Malaysian roads will be full of speedsters and a lot of fast n furious drivers when this new Lancer is launched.
Love the aggressive Lancer design ..hopefully they don’t spoil it by replacing the mitsubishi engine with that campro rubbish
Why is it wrong for proton to re-badge a car? Everybody else is doing it… NAZA, Perodua, Inokom, chinese carmakers even established car makers share platform, engine, seat frame etc. They already have 1.3 (Saga), 1.6 (Gen 2), 2.0 (New Waja?), now a high end car for new perdana and also a savvy replacement.
Proton should forget about national pride, forget all the vendors, they should just focus on making cars that people want to buy. Get the best engineers, don’t think like a GLC and give job opportunities to Malaysians. Get the Italians, Japanese, Koreans. Just get the CKD parts from overseas and assemble it with Proton badge. Let all the painting vendors, metal stamping parts vendor, the injection moulding vendors die.
In this way proton can reduce the manpower available to P2 and Naza. By reducing the number of vendors, they can make it mor expensive for P2 and Naza to produce their cars. If the vendors “bungkus”, all car makers have to source their parts overseas.
Please don’t compare M’sian carmakers to Korean carmakers. The Koreans support their product even if its a crap. Malaysians don’t support local products even if its good.
I know… I’m malaysian too.
This rebadging may be a good news for Mitsubishi sales representatives as they can earn more sales commisions if they can also sell this Waja replacement model at their branches just like Daihatsu selling Perodua cars. Else, a bad news for them due to nobody will buy the Lancer after the launching of Waja replacement model.
1.6 CPS / Turbo for both these cars.
No more argument. proton is a fucked up company which still needs to survive by sucking the rakyat’s hard earned money after twenty over years in the business.What a fucking shame.
For those moron who think proton produces good car, ask yourself if it is so good, how cum it can only survive in the boleh land??
Again, no more argument, proton is a totally fucked up company which is a shame to everyone. Jst tell me which car in the market is worse than proton. Can’t really think of any.
proton car = super low quality car :)
apexg2,
People need the other car prices to be lower – the same prices they’re selling with in other countries like Indonesia or Japan or US. Then Proton can give the customers whatever they wanna give at whatever price but we will still be happy.
Oh and yes, lower toll rates pls :-P
proton can go and compete with other player on fair ground if itis so good after twenty over years in the industry:)
Stupid proton will not survice a year without rakyats’s subsidy.
And rakyat also can’t survive without G subsidy.
and that includes you too! lol!
bila proton design sendiri byk yg komplen.. rebadge pun byk komplen..
poor lancer owner out there~~~
apa eke bodo ramai sangat yang kutuk ngan proton nih…kalo stakat pandai komen jer tak payah la…korang ingat kualliti keta lain bagus sangat ker? lorang suma kena tipu jer ngan BRAND kualitinya sama je ngan proton…what the rubbush n stupid komen da korang nie…keta made in CHINA pun ramai yg beli…MADE IN CHINA = MADE IN SAMPAH
not only lancer.. others T or H batch will affected too regardless new or used car sales..
Surprisingly, I’m very pleased with Proton this time… smart move.
who cares if rebadged or not???..only monkeys complain…and i guess some may be lancers owners..too bad la if proton come out with this car…hahaha…if everthing is from mitsu rebadged, it will be even easier to swap to a evo x..thats the most important factor..hehehehe..malaysia will be flooded wiv evo x-es everywhere when this comes out…wakakakaka…proton, do it for the masses, not the minors pleaseee !!!!!….hehehehe…
tired to read stupid comments.. but now proton is a famous brand here.. and many people like to talk about them.. and care about them…
P1 is losing its plot aka a headless chicken company.
First they want to produce their own cars but on the other hand they
wanna rebadge their cars.
Dato SZ – you better sit down and map the future of P1 cos
remember you are trying to be a jack of all trades and will
soon be a master of none.!
Do you have the market for your products? Advertising is the way
forward but I see nothing. Do you have the budget like what Kia is doing
– ads seen in every major event and int. media.
And what are the synergies P1 is benefitting from Lotus as you are
paying Bahar and his “real madrid” managemant team top dollars !!
I support P1 but pls don’t take us for a ride.
Rebadge only ONE car. ONE! Persona R will come out in 2012, designed by Giugiaro, NOT REBADGED. I could explain in detail what anyone who can see the big picture already knew, but I know it’s just a waste of effort, since most bashers won’t consider it, being close minded and all.
i wonder what’s the name would be
believe me….they will call it waja
Proton Lanchew
Mit Lancer was design by Giugiaro ..the same design was used in Alfa 159..except they tweaked the fronts and interior sections..and now proton used it on their cars..so later we have 3 identical designs on our road..Alfa 159,Lancer and Wajalution…only Wajalution paid peanuts to own the design…
Yeah..Proton came out with new design we complain and came out with nothing also we complain and thats because Proton lack of ideas on designing their own cars…each time new models out and we will wonder…hmmm those dash/front/back looks familiar…from which car ehhh??
if u see satria neo dash is almost identical design from an alfa 147…
almost identical ma except for fit and finish.
aiyo proton
why always copy other prod..
u dunt hv any idea ka?
act i think bcoz of their mngment..cant blame their engineers
wakaka
budak2 KAMPONG merata kl lepas convert dari original ke Mit EVO..so semua jadi JAGUH KAMPONG…dan semua tunjuk hebat atas jalan raya…lepas tu eksiden langgar anak orang salahkan jalan raya tak elok…
PROTON MENTALITY KAMPONG SO AS PROTON OWNERS..KONON NAK SUPPORT MALAYSIA PRODUCT..KORANG TAU TAK BERAPA HARGA CBU CARS IMPORTED HERE WITHOUT TAX??BMW E90 DGN HARGA RM42K …AND PROTON RM80K WITH 10% EXCISE DUTY…DAN OWNER2 PROTON SEMUA KENA KLENTONG
MY POINT IS PROTON SUCKS AND SELLS OVERPRICED CARS AND NOW RE-BRANDING?..WELL SELAGI ADA PERMINTAAN SELAGI ITU ADA JUALAN..HORRAYY FOR BUDAK2 KAMPONG!!!
Jgn nak bohonglah! Mana bukti, ckp kencang, bukti takde. Pegidah! BUKTI ADE BOLEHLAH CAKAP!
hahaha!!..ploton owner terasa!!..aku ckp sebab aku ada bukti la..gi tanya pengimport kereta baru dan tgk sendiri kat AP tu..terpampang harga kereta (CAR VALUE)…aku baru beli suzuki sx4 dan harga kereta tuh RM24k blum masuk cukai..
memang la tiap negara perlukan cukai..aku tak sebut pasal negara dan cukai..itu masalah negara…depa fikir laa..
aku sebut korang (yang beli kereta PLOTON) kena klentong…harga murah tp dijual mahal…even local cars pun kena excise..so bayangkan IF..aku tulis sini IF..kereta import cuma dikenakan hanya excise duti 10% bermakna kereta import lebih murah dari kereta local…
aku mmg tak skola tinggi mcm depa semua dan aku jaga pintu depan kilang2 tp aku boleh pikiq simple maths!!..tak perlu jadi rocket scientist untuk buat semua tuh…
sebab budak budak tu taknak bazir duit beli barang barang “import” yang sangat mahal. Kamu tahu pergi mana cukai yang kita bayar untuk barang import tuh?
Beli kereta bukannya boleh untung bila jual balik. Liability bro.
ada aku kesah????ko ni safety officer yg pakai baju biru dok berdiri dpn pintu kilang eh? x mampu beli kete jgn beli..pakai motor je. x pon cari kancil 2nd..sattleee..
BMW RM42K? ko bior betol! kat tmpat diarang pon jual berpuluh ribu EURO..cuba ko convert jd RM..tgk brp??
kat sekolah x belaja math eh?patut la jd pak guard!
i dont believe car price in malaysia will be cheaper if proton not exsist..
bnda ni adalah salah satu smber pndapatan negara…kalo nk mrh..marah gov
RM42k maybe far fetched sket lar…….but if all the tax amount…in terms of percentage s is same regardless proton, toyota, mercedes or honda, then prices becomes a lot more competitive and ppl have real choice of purchasing car…..go on and check the price for a honda, in us, japan or any other countries….even after conversion to similar currency they will all be if not the same quite similar…..same car comes to malaysia with much lesser specs price after conversion to similar currency A LOT different……some of you will say is because of tax…..think again…..other government in the world do not impose tax on cars, imports to locally assembled…..
at the end of the day…….if everyone is saying that proton is as good as any other car makers around……..maybe everyone should joint-hands and get the goverment to impose same tax amount to all car makers, regardless whether, CBU, CKD or whateva other abbr there is…….
not really, my fren’s audi a4, declared price b4 tax also about 43k, but list price is 280k!
that aside, kalau proton is begitu hebat! essok, suruhlah the govt yg kesempitan duit ni sampai potong subsidi untuk rakyat tapi tak delaykan mega project untuk hentikan the excise duty discount that proton get lah!
iyer aku tak skola tinggi mcm ko..aku jaga pintu kilang2 ..tapi aku boleh fikir..aku ckp harga keta import murah sebab aku nampak sendiri dalam AP masa aku beli kereta baru sebab masa nak register keta kat JPJ aku yg pegang dokumen tuhhh..
baru2 nih pun aku beli keta suzuki sx4 baru dan dlm AP tunjun RM24k (CAR VALUE) sebelum cukai..BERMAKNA kalau harga keta bru import camtuh KENAPA harga keta proton baru mahal (selepas masuk cukai eksais 10%)…
jadi gov paksa semua org yg berkemampuan beli kereta (mcm kau ni la sebab aku cuma boleh pakai moto kapcai jer) dengan letak tax hingga 300% kereta import rakyat mesia TERPAKSA beli kereta proton dan perodua bagi melindungi proton dan perodua..
Kereta2 kat Euro mmg puluh2 ribu sebab gaji2 dorang mcm kita semua ..cuma beza nyer gaji dorang in EURO dan kita in RM..sebab tu GDP dorang tinggi dari kita kat sini…gi baca pasal GDP kalau tak paham…walaupun aku jaga pintu kat kilang2 aku paham pasal GDP..sebab masa aku skola pondok UK mmg aku balajar pasal tuh..aku bagi contoh kalau kau muskil..
gaji depa kat German Euro3000 sebulan dan kereta depa jual kat sana E90 Euro60k
gaji kita kat sini RM3000 sebulan dan kereta BMW E90 kat sini RM230k..sape lagi mampu beli keta BMW tuh??..mestila org2 German sebab kuasa membeli depa ada oleh kerana harga kereta dan gaji depa tak jauh…so GDP negara depa lagi tinggi…kat sini gaji RM3k cuma boleh pakai proton atau Perodua..
jadi tak perlu jadi prof madya atau rocket scientist nak fikir semua nihh
Wer nicht zur Schule gehen?
ko tau tak sistem tu ada loophole? derang bleh declare harga sesuka hati utk kurangkan import tax. kalau harga kereta tu actually RM100k pun derang bleh declare RM20k. walaupun import tax dah kurang, derang kenakan harga tinggi pada pembeli.
kalau nak murah, import sendiri la.. tapi kalo ada masalah nak claim warranty.. ko claim dari negara ko import.. gi balik german la..
Kita boleh jadi macam diorang, but forget about all the subsidies. Semuanya kena bayar sendiri. Pergi beli minyak harga naik turun setiap hari,pastu kena caj bila masuk hospital kerajaan, dll…Tak boleh malas beb
Aku rasa ok lagi mcm sekarang nie bila kita still boleh enjoy, takpah berlumba2 mcm negara2 maju yg lain…
tolong la ye, buka sikit fikiran awak tu..
proton skg bukan proton zaman dulu2 k
mari men gasing…ngan kereta DING DANG…yaa DING DANG dtg lagiiii….wutta crap..for some crappy weirdo
haih… blom habis belajar dah tunjuk pandai. cuba kaji kesan kepada ekonomi negara kalau semua barang import tak dikenakan cukai… berapa negara je kat dunia ni yg takde tax? korea pun kenakan tax sgt tinggi utk kereta import, sblom ni pon mereka terpaksa guna hyundai & kia yg byk problem.
cuba kaji kenapa singapura kenakan cukai lebih RM130k terhadap exora di sana. harga exora tanpa tax RM30k++ tapi di singapore harganya RM170k… kenapa? kenapa?
Sometimes I wondered if the Govt. made a mistake in not stopping the import of cars after Proton was established, like Korea.
Bro! jangan le marah sangat kat safetyofficer tu… dia pakai honda… cup…
tak berapa tinggi sangat ilmu dia… jaga pintu masuk kilang…
dia bukan tau pasal perlunya tax nih…
dia dengar orang sembang kat kedai kopi, dia pun nyampuk sekali…. bukan reti apa…
Well I’m sure this new rebadge Lancer by Proton will still have the same Power Window Problem ….. LOL …. HIDUP PROTON !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hahaha…ini sudah tentu bro…Malaysia spec
Good job Proton. Probably I’ll trade in my reliable, trouble free Waja with this new model.
go proton go!!!
i do agree and happy with this, the things is any spare parts for Lancer will be chep, dun you think that will happen?, thanks to Proton for your kindly developement car with copy and paste method.
p/s i can buy parts from Jalan Sg Besi with very good price and cheap, they are selling proton parts cheap!!!, this is the benefit from proton.
i think this is replacement for perdana not waja based on engine power.. proton collaborate with mitsubishi is for the engine it self. proton do not have 2.0 or 1.8 litre engine. the old proton perdana use the mitsubishi engine and perdana production has stop earlier this year. definitely for perdana
Look at them, they are so happy now, later they will cry…….
http://www.mitsubishi-mloc.com/html/committee.html
Proton is making money for this exercise? Sure it is. By rebadge, Mitsubishi is making 10 times more than selling their own Lancer here. Market liberalization, more like taking Proton for ride.
Mitsubishi will never sell Lancer more than what Proton is going to sell next. Not 25 years ago, not even now. Proton need to fill quota for new models launch, Mitsubishi need the money, Government need the tax. So there you go.
Sure Proton has been taking for ride, and Malaysian will happily receive it, because the majority have less choice.
SafetyOfficer: Neo dash is so different from 147, the most you can say it was from European styling.
so this is the best thing Syed and his team of ‘elite’ engineers can come up with?
Niche-market, exactly…the DEB/NEM/NAP automobile market. Exclusively, Malaysia :P
Mitsubishi still own a few percent in Proton…not making use of Mitsubishi’s hard work is silly…at least we see some input from this partnership after a long silence. Instead of feeding the Japs with Msia’s currency…lets get something back from the Japs. This is good decision.
hahahahaha if u think yooo soo good!!! youuuu make ur own carrrr lowhhh….hohohhoho
so annoyingggg
Aiya, P1 can copy the car outlooks, but how about the engine? Mit Lancer using 2.0 engine. P1 use what? use Campro 1.6?lol…..If this the case, P1 waja will always behind Mit Lancer.
P1 created alot of Ah Beng cars & Speedter on Malaysia road.
“Apa macam? How to settle?”
will da real mitsu lancer please stand up!
Not fair to bash Potong to kingdom come, this problem is not exclusive to only Potong…but applies all Malaysian GLC – has no innovation, no patent or IP creation, no new ideas, fond of copycat or ciplak ,e market depends only on local, begs and pray rakyat money to support them forever and an exception to Petronas, not making money too.
after read the comments, proton will use this as market strategy as most of the malaysians still not afford to buy lancer, the price about rm120k, so their develope new model copy and paste for new waja to be lancerian, what a good strategy from proton
Many people don’t understand the reasons why Proton rebadge Mitsubishi Lancer as Waja Replacement Model. Simply bash Proton! Some even said Proton can design Emas concept but why can not design this Waja. Come on people, Emas concept was design by Italdesign-Giugiaro. There’s nothing wrong rebadge a car. Don’t misinterpret rebadge and copy. Many people say Proton copy this… copy that! This Waja is a rebadge.
Anyway one know, which company Proton is working with for its Perdana Replacement Model… also rebadge, right?
Exactly. 600 comments and yet bashers still bash. Just goes to show how shallow minded some people really are.
reason why everyone kutuk proton because proton is link to current G
current G corrupt,waste taxpayers $,lots more
we have current G
No connection whatsoever.
Speaking of corruption, well, this is a car blog. If I talk about corruption, surely run away from topic. Wanna talk politics go political forum.
it has everything to do with politics! Decisions about Proton are never a corporate one, always political from choosing which top tier spare park manufacturer, to foreign ownership etc.
Spoon-fed manufacturer demanding RM200-1m if they were to close shop when SZ wanted to implement total quality supply chain.
You think the Swede government or its ministers would intervene when Ford bought Volvo and now the communist China? No.
Too bad for Proton, 25 years in business, capital and everything sponsored by rakyat money, tax imposed on foreign car forcing Malaysian to buy Proton, yet this is the garbage they produce. JV? JV my foot, rebadge since the engineers can’t think.
What about Gen-2, Persona, Satria Neo & Exora? Have you forgotten about those? Rebadge one car to capture small market and they’re bashed like there’s no tomorrow. Other car “makers” rebadge all their line-up and, what, no bashing? What about other international carmakers rebadging their cars also nobody here bash.
So double standard. Typical.
proton is a GLC, and khazanah still holds a big stake in it. tell me that is not govt controlled. proton itself would like to “rightsize” but even dealers that dont perform cannot be closed coz if they do, politicians will intervene. proton is political!
Agreed, bashers always put the blame. P2 has same practice, why there was no bashers? Come on!!
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1505097
paul. more pics here!! in one of the pics it shows that engine : 4B11~!!
let me give my 2 sen:
1. P1 is doing what they see P2 is doing…and what their new CEO knows best…rebadging or copying…to make money…maybe to finance other models…I don’t have a problem with that…
2. Mitsu is trying to sell more engines and chasis…to make more money and get cheaper manufacturing facilities…to export to other markets…I don’t have a problem with that.
3. Waja-owners wannabe wants to get cheap Lancers…I understand that.
4. Lancer-owners are upset becos their exclusivity would be lost…if true the WRM is gonna be a straight copy/rebadge of Lancer…might as well buy a Toyota or Honda…
For me, I am gonna compare Mitsu’s Lancer with the likes of Civic, M3 or other ‘equal’ makes…quality vs quality…build vs build…
I am not going to compare Mitsu’s Lancer with the WRM…even if WRM is cheaper…if I drive the Lancer…I will know its a Lancer…if someone drives a WRM and wants other ppl to think its a Lancer…I guess its in their genes…but if someone don’t care either way and just wanna drive a good car…I respect that too…
I am upset with P1 cos it holds itself to be a national car…there must be some pride in that…by the way…what makes it a national car?…just becos some politician say so?…has it ever belonged to the nation?…even though it swallows the rakyat’s money…i only see it benefiting certain vendors selling questionable quality parts and components…it’s a business venture…nothing more…definitely not national…otherwise any roadside business can also call itself national…
I will be upset with Mitsu becos they sold their products…knowing there is going to be a cheaper version…which they sanction…that is dishonest…IF its true that the WRM is a straight rebadge…they owe their clients a more honest deal…I really wonder if there is a legal recourse for those ppl who bought the Lancer earlier…definitely there is room to argue Mitsu owes them morally at least…I would not think highly any more of Mitsu’s honesty and ethics or Japanese business culture in general…
But…having said all that…the Lancer is still a lovely car…and I going to buy one…despite all these WRM jazz…I could wait…but I would get a P1 WRM…and I have had enough of them for a lifetime…I am going to be proud to own/drive a Lancer…and if I see a WRM-Lancer…I will think good for you…you know how to appreciate a good car…and you got a good deal too…but I will still be driving a Lancer…and you a WRM…
this cost should be 4 sen…who subsidize 2 more sen? we dont want to pay for that
SafetyOfficer…bukan kah kite semua pun berasal dari kampung jugak? atok nenek kite
semua nyer dari kampung…dekat tengah bandar pun ader kampung…(kampung baru) heheheh..itu bukan soal nye…org kampung itu tak salah…yg salah nyer pemikiran kolot….jumut….negative..tak kire laa dok di kampung atau di bandar….kalo harga kerete eropah tu murah di sane…dan tuan terase rugii sgt dok kat malaysia ni…saye cadangkan pindah je kesane..try apply PR…and beli laa kerete2 yg tuan cakap murah tu…tak perlu menjatuhkan semangat worker2 proton dan rakyat malaysia yg mungkin sesetengah nyer ikhlas berusaha membangunkan dan menyokong industry…..kita mungkin tidak paham kemelut ekonomi yg berlaku didalam rangkaian GLC….tapi jgn laa sampai seluruh warga proton pun tuan nak hentam…aik sampai org beli pun tuan nak marah? hahahah…anyway..i knoe our car industry not as good…but we surely improving…and i wish we keep it that way…so keep it up proton~….:)
Improving, 2020 then we get good car? lol.
In a real free economy, Proton would have been shut down and its workers on the street begging for jobs like Mexicans odd job workers. In a real economy, too bad ours isn’t.
The hell with Proton workers, they don’t pay for my car.
How long did Honda take to get where they are today? How long did Hyundai take to get to where they are today? You think a Honda car when they were 25 has the same quality as a Honda of today? Hell no! IIRC I believe old Hondas were rust buckets. But they have improved. Same goes for VW etc. Honda too is subsidized by the Japanese govt, as is many other carmakers. You should open up your mind and be more informed.
And stop being selfish. Selfish attitude like yours is the root of all problems in Malaysia today, hell even the world.
to P1 apologies, from your comments we can conclude that P1 is not an automaker, but a mere trader? A government/rakyat funded kedai-potong with high tech gadget like under-utilize Kulim lol.
So, what do Proton design engineers do? Travel from one auto show to the other, shopping for new design to re-badge? The the finance team will calculate, how much to sell this junk to Malaysian with maximum profit? Then corporate marketing team goes all out buying advertorial, tv time, spaces in local and international magazine…promoting and stating that the new model is the fruit labor of local talent? lol. All scums of the earth I tell you.
Proton auto-trading – dulu, kini, selamanya…oh until 2012 only, because the world will end there…lol.
how about perodua?
what about Perodua???
Perodua way better than Proton in terms of quality..I’d rather buy Perodua than getting my heart ache buying Proton..owned 2 protons before and enough is enough..
bang… jangan terlajak cakap.. aku dah beli kancil 2 biji.. kereta pertama, tahun 1998,,selepas kahwin… banyak problem.. lepas tu trade-in, beli waja… kualiti waja LAGI baik dari kancil.. lepas tu tahun 2005, beli lagi satu kancil (mata bulat) untuk ibu bapa di kampung… sama juga quality tak de improvement… masuk gear selalu sangkut… mekanik kata salah kilang, tapi tak dapat claim pun.. tahun 2008 beli civic & tetap pakai waja sebab performance OK.. honda pun ada masalah.. tahun 2009, adik aku beli myvi.. ada juga problem… sapa kata perodua ok… anak saudara aku kerja di pusat servis perodua, dia kata alza banyak problem.. bawa laju lebih 80km/j, angin masuk ikut cermin kecik depan… kesian makanik tak dapat selepas.. kilang punya problem, orang pusat servis yang terpaksa tahan kerenah pelanggan.. aku sekarang makin appreciate waja aku selepas beli civic sebab kualiti waja tak banyak jauh beza dengan civic
jadi fikir-fikirlah… biasanya orang lupa yang baik ditangan sendiri, nampak yang baik di tangan orang.. bila dah dapat ditangan orang.. baru tahu… rupa-rupanya………..
why wait 2020? the current exora, persona el. satria neo fairly good. thats is an Improvement. There is a minor hiccup here and there, small thing which other giant car manufacture also have to deal with and they too recall some of their car once in while. E.g Toyota & Honda (as being reported recently).
What design engineer do? We all know what they do…designing of coz, and making a car is not only involve designing engineer. There is a powertrain team, prototyping team, as well as ride and handling (r&h) team (tho the r&h is the youngest team established).
For r&h team, these are the people, who spend most of their working time on the road testing the car. When talk about ride and handling it can be really subjective to determine the comfort level of a driving and its really up to the engineer who testing the car came out with the his version of comfort driving. Your definition of comfort driving can be quite different from others. Some like the sporty feeling, some like the smooth luxuries feeling. So there is several engineers will came out with the result, compare and retune. (Suspension dynamics …etc) until the best result is obtain (Relevant for mass production). So they are not just sitting around like u claim. There is an engineering works going on behind the scene. The new waja is a rebatch (stated hundred of times over this post hehehe) small modification, to bring some proton image in it. And that’s it~. It could help save a lot of R&D effort since Proton currently working on the Iguana and the New Engine (maybe replacing CPS) then coming up next is a persona replacing model.
“All scums of the earth I tell you.” Will it including u? hehe. Nothing/ nobody is perfect, doesn’t mean everything is wrong considering u might not fully understand what’s going on. Calling people bad names making joke not helping either my friend. “The hell with Proton workers, they don’t pay for my car?”…the statement is pretty bold congrats!. Unfortunately it is immature…I think~. Not very sure this kind of mentality or attitude suitable/deserve living in a society. I wonder why am i actually taking this effort on replying your comment coz I don’t think you could care more or less….:)
Why our “PROTON” always copy Mitsubishi car? Is it PROTON don’t have talent to design their own car. Really Shameful la…… Make our country so shameful………. PROTON like a “Super Copy Cat”.
To Yeo.
Proton always copy Mitsubishi car? IT”S REBADGE!!!! If like that, Perodua also copy always!!! If you say, Proton like a Super Copy Cat, then Perodua is a HYPER COPY CAT!!!
Why? Because at least came out own design from ground up such as Waja, Savvy, Gen 2, Satria Neo, Persona and Exora. Perodua until now… NONE. Right?
Remember it’s a rebadge not copy!!!
reabadge ker copy ker…..kenapa tak keluarkan model sendiri…..dah 25 tahun dah…..berhentikan engineer yang malas nak berfikir tu….hire engineer yang berdaya saing…..come on lah proton….
haiyya…every time new news on p1 p2, u people always fight3 ma.. manyak boling ma.. bash sana bash situ.. tatak mau beli duduk diam2 sudah la.. mau mising lagi ka.. haiyya.. kalo u olang pegi china ma, itu keta luar pon kene tax juga ma.. pegi kolea pon sana mau kena tax lagi ma.. u tak mau tax u keje itu taxi dliver la.. haiyya.. itu ploton mau kluar balu punya waja mau bikin olang suka hati, manyak gumbila, lu olang aa, dengan sesuka hatinya bikin olang lain susah hati.. bikin hati gua manyak panas hati.. haiyya..
To blo0d. Thanks for the link. By the way, engine is 4B11? It’s a 2.0L engine!! I thought it comes with 1.8L (4B10)? Perhaps 2 engine variants with few trims..
ur welcome man~ i dunno but the plate there tells 4b11~
if P1 rebadge mitsubishi…and sell it at lower price..it’ll lead too…naza and p2 rebadge and sell it at low price…ckd’s toyoda n H must also sell at low price!!! why AFtA only work on other company but exclude P1..why?…national car?…our pride?… skarang org dah jauh pandai dr dlu..come on… wake up la… berdiri gah atas dasar nationlity…huh?!
as a lancer gt owner I’m not worried at all even if Proton were to rebadge it and sell it below 80k…original Jap parts are very expensive but good quality…where as Proton have to squeeze their budget to make this car affordable…I’ve owned Protons before and the difference is..QC…and SC will say ‘nak bagus beli Lancer ori lah…’….
Just afraid that it might be the opposite, where mitsu will use ckd proton parts for the lancer. then the SC will say …”nak value for moneh, beli lah proton”
price confirm for high line rm75k….happy all malaysian?:D
malaysia boleh…proton boleh
hopefully they will come out with manual version than the stupid 120-130k(spending this amount,i can get a reclone sport car with manual shift) for auto only,keep it up proton.Such a good engine use auto ,wat a waste.
tahniah proton > ur story get very good coverage and almost 700 hits.
Outstanding > masih ramai sokong supaya proton dpt keluarkan quality car at lower price…..
RM120k Lancer, Proton can sell the car about RM80k… (about RM40k save tax)
RMxx,xxx.xx Alza, Perodua sell it RM70,000 ?… WTF!!!
Original Alza cost RM110,000 meh?
MYVi SE, Perodua sold at RM60k…original Passo cost Rm100,000 meh?
so, we know who is cheating..
You forgot that the CBU Lancer is selling cheaper than CKD alcheapo Civic 2 litre. How is that happen? =D
Memang laa…. u pun tau how that thing happens?
Wah….piece of crap man this thing, but then, it’s Proton, and they very rarely do anything impressive…
If Proton is rebadging the car only for Malaysia Market, this is really a silly move and no meaning at ALL. Even if it is allowed by MIT to market this Pro-Lan to overseas, targeted market can maybe only 3rd world countries………..
Somebody said that 5 Billion/year (200,000 units x rm25,000-/car ) was saved from out-flowed to foreign countries because of our PROTON. 18 Billion- in 10 years contribution to Country Revenue by Proton.
But…….
1) any statistic of out flow money/year for Royalties/ Foreign Content components? Think not less than Billions to be spent / year …
2) Where is these 18 Billion contributions…which is hard earn money by the Protons’ buyer?? Contributed to Proton’s buy of Lotus?? Contributing to rebadging of other makes?? These are costly…..
As a Malaysian, I am proud of my country having a national car manufacturer, which not many countries have.
However, already more than 20 years, when can we have a good quality and properly priced car?
Majulah Proton also to the P2……Hope for the best to our new Waja.
Holden Australia is also a rebadged GM cars and yet the market there are competiting well. Proton after so long still cant manage to make a proper car of its own should deserved to follow Holden Australia path where it’s sold to GM with one condition that the name “Holden” has to be maintained.
Proton Malaysia, in this case, can sell Proton to a potential car manufacturer or manufacturers to rebadge models for Malaysia market but certain condtions such as :
1. “Proton” name is to be used on all models;
2. Non critical parts must be manufactured by local companies (free bidding to ensure max transparency and quality);
3. Critical parts can only be imported/solely supplied by the manufacturers if the local companies cannot provide satisfactory quality of the parts;
4. All local labor to be used for the assembly and manufacturing with management level to be appointed locally should the competency can be fullfilled;
5. Social concern to the Malaysia as a overall society by requiring 10% of the profits earned to be channeled to develop the well being of the local society;
…and of course open up the market for free competition. This will ensure the overall standard of the Malaysians in term of knowledge (and lower that custom tax if petrol are not to be subsidied) and more affordable living standard. We cant have expensive cars, expensive petrol, poor public transport and low salary for Vision 2020, it just doesnt sound right. Are we going to be forever in a developing country status? It’s time to move the mark to High Pay, Good Public Transport, Expensive Petrol (no choice) and affordable private transportation (there’re other ways to control cars on the road, such as special plates for weekdays and weekends with each household to be given with 2 average priced all days plate and any additional will cost much more extra to prevent registration). Incentives/relief can be given for buying greener cars (expensive petrol must be higher grade also, It’s EURO 5 standard out there and what are we getting?) as well as not registering more than the standard 2 all days car given per household..the list can go on..but is anyone listening?
have u ever gone to the Proton City at tanjung malim? i think u`ll take back from point 2,3,4 mate
This topic is seriously getting very hot. Love it or hate it… Hope it can reach 1000 post to prove everybody is interest to this Waja replacement…
huhu…surprise!! About 50 messages in less than 1 min…my blackberry punctured already…
1k? no problem, i think it is achievable. :)
The comment boost up like crazy, and this is only day-2.
Please don’t be shy hiding it…we all know P1 is lack of idea…haha
yeah like your p2 rite? hahahahah!!! cheers!
PLZ BE OUT SOON…PLZ LET THE PRICE BE AROUND RM80K BELOW.. NEED TO READY MY MITSUBISHI EVOLUTION EMBLEM N BODYKITS.. HEHE
i’m with you for this
kampung in a making!..hahaha!!!
typical aite?
Congrates: Proton had gone from a re-badge car company to car-manufacturer and back to re-badge car company after 25 years…Proton boleh
Another way to look at this is from male perspective: P1 married a Jap (look east policy), had a total failure in French-connection, brought an English chick but still making loss after 10 years, forget the Italian case (no case), tried to date a German for 2 years but not successful and now come back the same Jap…after 25 years cycle… wake up man
rebadge but change the headlight and rear light la….thought there’ll be some surprise from P1…now a without own soul and image…haih….
some here shouting that others rebadge too but they(exclude our naza pls) rebadge a car with diff interior and lights and bumper….not just front bumper…..proton i know you can do better!!!
i personally hate proton for the 25 years of pain n agony it cursed on us, but to be fair, it has improve a lot since the new CEO taken over (tt makes Mr M very pissed up). The last model before the new management is savvy, the first after it is the new saga. make ur own comparison u will c how bad it was b4, savvy=obsolete renault engine n gearbox, fugly looks, terrible ergonomics makeing worse with everything not adjustable, sharp edges plastic, not a sedan… the old management is really treating malaysian as jackass who will just forget its past crime n accept watever it offer bcoz it’s fucking protected by the ppl who runs the government. The new saga although is not something to celebrate about, high FC n low safety etc, at least it looks decent n is priced competitively to combat the rivals. the exora is also a great offering by all means, the improvement is obvious.
now y daihatsu can rebadge passo into boon, p2 rebadge into Myvi, but proton cannot? Aston martin also can rebadge toyota iQ wat? so wat’s the fuss??? i personally think tt proton is on the right track, not backwards but forwards. It desperately needs something to impress n sell in the near future or it will not survive. It hire too many ppl with too many resources but their car is not selling well due to bad reputation. Proton is the only carmaker tt suffer from surplus of supply. Many ppl who r willing to buy japs have own a proton or more in the past, branding is not something money can buy but was established overtime. so i think it’s a smart move to partner with Mitsubishi (in terms of trade agreement) n rebadge the lancer n even export to ASEAN countries to boast sales. The effect is immediate, u gain confidence n attention at once. The move is much more logical n productive than to dump money for the stupid R&D who only hire some dickhead relatives of the old CEO who kill proton indirectly. Only when it has gain sales n productiveness, then only it will have the FOUNDATION to spend some money on R&D n hire the international experts.
For now, i think it is right for the R&D department focus primarily on the EMAS n other electric vehicle development which i think hold all the major player in the automobile industry is doing.
Yes, it’s late but maybe not too late for proton. i think it’s moving forward on the right track n i’m not hopeful but i’m sure tt it will not be left in the dust by the koreans.
Surplus of supply? Persona Elegance waiting period so long…what you probably meant was surplus of production capacity. Although to be fair, Proton has two factories while other car companies have only one.
u r rite, it’s exactly wat i mean. proton is the only local car maker that cannot clear its last yr stock even in the first quarter. i dunno bout persona, but the complaints on the car makes me suspicious tt they recycle the old chassis n turn it into elegance model, mayb it’s only me. but frankly, every month p2 deliver so many myvi still hav 2 wait 2 months, it’s more expensive than persona base but still eat it for breakfast, doesn’t tt tells u something about the market just like 308 election did? their sales even pales compare to vios which is much more expensive.
another wild guess from myself, i smell a turbo-charged engine under the hood, nothing fancy, maybe 128 to 138HP 1.6 or bigger campro turbo. The other engine still too premature n early for mass production.
Some time in business we can’t do 1 man show. Proton company scale are not as big as BMW, Merc, Toyota, etc that establish more that 40 years. To cut the cost, some time have to sacrifice 1 or 2 model as rebadge. Can some 1 here can tell me witch car company not do some rebadge ?. Some of them also share platform or engine with difference company to cut R&D cost. For me, Lancer Waja rebadge are welcome for niche market since most of us not really have lot’s of money (berlagak kaya, duit habuk tadak) & most of basher commentator are likely have annually salary around RM40k per year. Come on, if poket tu mampu pakai kancil pakai jer kancil. Jangan nak sibuk nak pakai kereta yang mahal2. Last2 pakai 3 ke 4 bulan kena tarik sebab tak mampu bayar. Buat malu aje… Also think, Proton do just 1 model to rebadge. Not like another that do all model rebadge. Even Mitshubishi get 2 proton model to rebadge. So it win-win situation.
pls brush up your english.
Thank you for your note. :)
Good move Proton. Money saved will be used for future models.
Correction, money saved will be used for more sponsor…..
correction…money saved into piloticians’ pockets.. :P
correction…money saved into politicians’ pockets.. :P
At last…..long waited good news from Proton. Hooray!!!
bosan… xde yg len nye yg menarik perhatian… aku dok igtkn dlu kuar citer ni ade la len skit dr model bese… at least wat la len skit… tnjukkan yg proton ade design tersendri… n buyer mitsubishi x rs tertipu… br la appreciated… wat sakit ati je aku tgk… mcm kena tipu idup2… pastu nnt launch dok tnjuk mcm kita yg wat sume ni… pdahal ciplak model org… bangang!!! come on la proton… kami org2 yg support korg xkn ini je korg bg…??? korg byar lotus nye design team yg berjuta2 tp xde pape ke hasilnye…??? membazir duit je…
Lancer Waja rebadge tak salah tapi AP tu kasi buang lah. Dok Rok.
aduh hai…..this is what proton achieved in 25years? what exactly? copy & paste? aduh hai… Mitsubishi is already planning to come up with facelift model for lancer…this current lancer “look” is going to be outdated lah…imagine after 3yrs…outdated model… hello proton..be smart lah. use brain lah, malaysia boleh lah, aduh hai
Do you know that this time around its totally a diffrently type of MOU with Mitsubishi? Its not like the old Saga where proton pay royalties to sell the Saga, but tis more this time, in exchange for the Lance, Mitsubishi will rebadge TWO models, the Persona and Exora to be sold as a Mitsubishi for the ouside market. Thats something to be proud about yo!
mitsu got interested with P1 products, we should be proud of it!
Guys,
This is the first time in Paultan.org, the comments goes up to 800 comments only less than a week!!!
This model really create a BOMB in Malaysia!! i’m sure if the price is okay, the car will sell very well..
Last time when New Saga launch…the scenario also similar to this..but this Lancer is more so called ‘GEMPAK’…damn.. Malaysian love to speed… this Lancer really suit the Malaysian characteristic..hehe..
PDRM’s staff cannot show off anymore with their Helang Lebuhraya.. because there will be thousand ‘EVO X’ soon… hehe..
Good Job..
Nanti byk lak EVO X jadian… hehehe. This is what Malaysians r waiting for!!!
just that they maybe don`t got the speed like the Helang haha if they`re just stock cars
No worry. After this, the helang maintenance will be cheaper… even old police waja will change to new one with Mitshu DNA. So to all evil speeder on the road, take this as precaution… :)
semua kat atas nih mesti berkenan kat mitsubihsi lancer…..tapi tak dapat nak beli sbb mahal….pulak tu, jealous kat abg2 polis yang naik helang tu….alahai kesiannyer….. lepas nih…dok bersedia nak jual kereta lama……nak bei waja celup lancer…hehehehhe….
engineering guys VS non-engineering guys –> sampai bila pun takkan habis.
ya…. aku suka statement ni. Satu thumbs up
same when…seller vs customer ..and politician vs old folk…whut say you…
couldn`t agree more haha
Banyak btul pakar2 bg cadangn… duk pumpang x abis2 pasal itu laa ini laaa. Ade je x puas ati. Sampai bila nk puasnye pn ntahlaa. Dah lumrah manusiakn… pki kete jepon ke continental ke pn lom tentu puas. ade je yg x kene. Aku pakai toyota dan juga proton, masing2 ade kelebihan dan kekurangan. For me proton has improved a lot jika dibandingkan dengan zaman hidung Maharaja…. but still need to improve a lot too!!!
Biar laa proton uruskan ape yg patut… then market decide. I am sure guys in proton have studied. Kite ni yg x berapa cerdik mikirkn hal ni toksah duk pumpang2 cam kedai kopi sana…. bile nk abis pun ntahlaaaa.
Yang ramai2 pumpang2 tu beli gk proton…. mereka ini benci tp sayang kt proton sebenarnye ahahaha…. typical scenarios. Tak nak mengaku laa pulak….. blah la weii
omg…mitsu gonna be banned from selling lancer soon
what a shame again…..
if Proton is so great, why does the government insist on putting a tax on foriegn car? Open the flood gates, do away with the tax, let foriegn car price compete one on one with Proton, let see if there’s any ‘nationalism’ influence for Malaysian when buying a car.
P1 and its fanboys, talk only…talk cock. 25 year old, still need to holds mommy’s hand…if Proton was a male, it’s a sissy…akua…pondan. When Proton becomes 30 in 5 years, still need mommy…
Well Joseph,
If you read the Founding of Volvo Cars. From their website, they quote:
“The Volvo Car Corporation is one of the car industry’s strongest brands, with a long and proud history of world-leading innovations. Founded in Gothenburg, Sweden, by Gustaf Larson and Assar Gabrielsson, the first car left the factory on 14 April, 1927. It was called ÖV4 (Jakob). Please visit Volvo Cars Heritage for an in-depth look at Volvo Cars and our models through the years”
My question, why Volvo until today just like football being kick here and there and now owned by Geely (China)? Who’s next? Volvo’s mom.
GM & Chrysler 100 years old still cry to mummy when they don’t have money. Chrysler twice in 2 decades. Don’t talk cock, you think car market in other countries so open? Hah, the US had this tax called the “chicken tax” which was done under the guise of protecting their farmers but actually benefiting American car makers by protecting their pickups from competition. At least here in Malaysia you can buy imported cars. Korea actually BANNED importation of cars to help Hyundai & Kia, and look where they are now.
nobody is saying that proton is GREAT. dan tiada siapa bercerita tentang ‘ayam jantan’ melainkan ko sorang je. Bahasa mencerminkan peribadi seseorang. So u can expect what kind of people yg selalu talk crap.
Open the flood gates? bole… depends on the G laa. I takde kuase hehehe. Tak suka itu G?…. then tunggu pilihan raya laaaa. Abis cite. By the way bukan proton sorang je terlibat ye…. P2? Naza? moto2 kap sume? Lori? OMG… byk gk yg affected. kalu nk ikutkn dr sume2 tu, yg mana laa (local vehicle manufacturer)…. agak2nye yg bole survive (kalau x pun nyawa2 ikan) jika the G open the flood gates yg u maksudkan tu?
Joseph: I am so damm agree with you on ur statement! If they can rely on themselves rite, they sholdnt be so afraid proton got no sales, and we can buy foreign cars with less tax mannn!
Joseph…could not agree more with you..well atleast got someone who shared my thoughts..
we have to buy things that far more expensive (even in reality its damn cheap) just to protect our brotherhood..PLOTON!
yeahh agree…they still breast fed after years
if u were the ones working in the company i guess u wouldn`t say like this would u…
WAjaLANcer -> WALAN
Ppl who purchased mitsu EX die lah, EVO also die lah. There will be a lot of EVO/EX flooding msian’s road.
totally agree Joseph.
to Proton supporter and current G supporter,u like to be spoon feed. Learn from neighbour Malay,they work hard and dont kow tow to Singapore G.Everyone equal balance to those who are capable.Even disable ppl want to work hard and use their current ability.
Those spoon feed is lazy,beranganx2,dont want progress and daydreaming.
I am also agree with you…. but….singapore is a totally different country than Malaysia…. their situation cant be compared with ours. Singapore is small and easy to govern. Equal u say? mmm… i dont know. But i pity the Malays there more….
‘Those spoon feed is lazy,beranganx2,dont want progress and daydreaming’ and ‘to Proton supporter and current G supporter,u like to be spoon feed’ – These statements apply to all yaaa :)
Dah suka sangat singapore tu gi laa keje sana, duduk jap kat sana… dapat duit banyak2 bole beli kete mahal2 kat sana, bole bli merc, bmw, peugeot…Opps lupa pulak… Peugeot kene bli kt Malaysia… RM 100k. Pastu jgn lupa simpan skit… beli tanah dan rumah kat malaysia….. pastu beli barang dapur, petrol, shopping pun kt Malaysia. Bole je kan? Best pulak Malaysia ni.
By the way…. Singapore dont manufacture cars.
Hanya sekadar aku punya dua sen
Setuju… masalahnya bukan Proton & proton supporter ajer…. secara tak sedar rakyat malaysia nie memang spoon feed… tak abih2 subsidi… pastu salahkan G pasal apa support Proton… padahal subsidi bagi kat rakyat tu dari 100%, tak sampai 1% pun dapat faedah balik… lagi lupa diri… Kesian & menyedihkan.
this new waja make my lancer look like cheap car!
come on la..P1 punye supplier/pekerja/dealer ramai RAKYAT MALAYSIA. kalau P1 bankrap, mslh besar untuk negare beb. jgn fikir dari satu sudut je. kerajaan fikir jugak benda tu bile nak laksanakan AFTA.
masalahnya bukan hanya terletak pada kereta2 P1 yang tak mampu bersaing je, tapi melibatkan byk benda lain. dah nama pun GLC, mesti ada kepentingan & tanggungjawab kat negara & rakyat (dan kroni2 skali)
cuba fikir kalau P1 bukan GLC, korang ingat dia kisah sangat ke nak pakai part2 made in Malaysia???? mostly low quality, high price.
p/s: aku bangga ramai ambil berat psl P1…walau kutuk/hina/keji, aku tahu jauh dalam hati, korang nak P1 pegi jauh.
off topic: dah nama pon GLC, banyak main politik ;D
Let me try to summarize this,
Mitsubishi’s perspective:
Mitsubishi Lancer is doing so so competing with Honda Civic (we know Honda is extending the Civic’s lifecycle just because the sale are just so damn yummy).
Since they already put so much money into development of the Lancer X, they just can’t withstand the prospect of selling so many Lancer if Proton were to rebadge it (albeit they still get one of Proton’s excellent mid-range platform ie, exora or the saga, assuming that the MoU between Mitsubishi and Proton did happen).
Proton’s Perspective:
Proton is patiently working on the replacement model for the Persona, Satria Neo (rather unlikely, since it already look so good, and handles like a charm, IMO it just need a better engine/turbocharged or perhaps a 4 door version), and Perdana, with rigorous test scheme to ensure top quality for the consumer. So, what do you do if all your resources are tied in several future replacement model?
To remain competitive, Proton just can’t wait for the new model to come out in the next 1-2 years. What’s the best way to roll out a new model in the shortest time and lowest cost? That’s right, re-badging. What model to re-badge? this is a no brainer.. Lancer X.
Re-badging the new Lancer model is a business decision, and I believe its a good one. Hopefully they will make a lot of money out of it. In retrospect, The Lancer X is one of Mitsubishi’s latest model (albeit not the latest, but still relatively new). It shows how much trust Mitsubishi has for Proton to carry their product, here in Malaysia.
Remember, quality car requires good quality components, good assembly lines, good engineers and technicians. This all translates to increased cost. Cashing in on the Lancer X popularity would help Proton maintain a good balance sheet, providing resources to be spent for their product development.
Producing and marketing cars is a business. Re-badging, CKD, CBU etc. are all apart of the strategies that car manufacturers has to ensure a sustainable business model while delivering a good product for the consumer.
The challenge that lies ahead would be on how would the new Proton Persona compete, ironically, with the new Waja Lancer. I guess that’s up to me and the team.
Well, gotta go work now. Expect SOME surprises from yours truly.
I would like to thank you Proton for giving us the opportunity to develop our automotive design skills. I don’t think any other company would have given us such a chance.
For Malaysians, I hope you do wait patiently for our surprise and thanks so much for the support that has been given. Thank you.
Agreed about the burden to carry a ‘lancer’….. it aint’ easy if the service and spare parts screw up. Buying a car is just a decision but owning one (I know some ppl’s dad service their cars) is very much to do with relationships with the service center, customer complaint crew, the mechanic, the parts, the bill $$$.
Can Proton handle the overall package? I hope they tighten up their customer service….. this ain’t no national charity run.
Still remember the prototype mule, maybe Proton is coming out with its Exora GT – just like the BMW 5 Series Gran Turismo? Hahaha… out of topic but also my inspiration..
ayoo joseph..u even put some comment on how m’sia govt run this country?
nationalism?
do u have that spirit in u?
proud to be MALAYSIAN
what a joke!!!!!!!!!
Down Syndrome Boy….need mommy to care….
This is more hot news since people can jailbreak iphone 4 so easy… haha
even iPad also jail-breaked already la..
“Car is a liability… not an asset”. Ini adalah kata2 dr Robert T. Kyosaki. Pengarang ‘Rich Dad Poor Dad’.
– Memang betul pun :)
you don’t need kyosaki to tell you that.
yes a car depreciates in value and cost more money to take care of afterwards, unlike any other things that you pay to own like house, land, gold, etc. but those other things are plain boring just stand there doing nothing. compare how much the science and engineering behind a car production has advanced as opposed to that of a house?
besides the amazing engineering and technology, owning a car is very much like owning a horse. besides serving as vehicle, it is also fun! car is the most ‘responsive’ vehicle that is also safe (most responsive but not as safe would be motorcycle).
that’s why its the most popular vehicle in the world.
that’s why its a technology that has the most enthusiasts and most widely talked about no matter where and when in every society.
that’s also why paultan.org is so popular.
no matter how big of a reliability cars can be, we all here still love cars and we love talking about it.
When it comes to proton… Some people just simply cannot open up their mind. And this people think they represent the opinion of all of us. Well… just check the poll n u’ll see it oppositely
hahaha…true indeed. that’s what make every proton topic in paultan.org so hot!! comments hiking up close to 1000!
it’s amazing just to see how the silent readers suddenly jump out of their seat and start commenting like crazy. what an enthusiasm.
if i’m not mistaken, last time we had so many comments was the satria neo lotus racing limited edition topic.
mungkin idea re-badge tu bagus sekiranya lancer tak masuk malaysia dari awal, cth mcm passo & sirion. tapi klu mcm keadaan skrg ni, bodykit lancer 10 pun dah boleh pasang kat wira, tiada yg menariknya. kena fikir sblm buat. takkan nak jadi mcm toyota rush ngan p2 nautica, lagi ramai yg minat nak beli rush berbanding nautica, hanya disebabkan harga nautica lebih mahal selepas re-badge.
No matter what … Keep Talking is nonsenses … Proton should show us the Quality .. Or sack the QA/QC Manager or Purchase Manager … Before any product release … sure fully tested the parts … how come after release to market … here having problem … there got issues.
Shame …
The proton history repeat as the first wira came out a decade ago.so this model can go at least another 15years.well done.
To rembau.
Honda is actively working on their 9th generation Honda Civic. Honda Civics of the past were always the leaders in being lightweight, compact size, and were inexpensive. This made them ideal for those who wanted to modify the car for performance. As the Honda Civics have been getting more and more advanced, so has their size, technology and weight.
Since the Honda Civic was getting heavier, and more expensive, Honda released the Fit to take its place as the lightweight inexpensive sibling. However, Honda has decided that in order to continue their dominance, they would need to revamp the Honda Civic, and the Honda Product Chief, Tsuneo Tanai ordered a complete revamp of the Honda Civic. Tanai ordered his engineers and designers to redesign the 9th gen Civic to be smaller, cheaper, lighter and more fuel efficient.
Anticipated availability of the 2012 Honda Civic is early summer 2011.
I used to work in the local car industry. Same vendors with same quality control supply parts to different car makers. Just because of the badge you people look at it differently.
I laughed when I read some people said that they still buy the lancer and other people can buy the proton badge lancer. Why so proud buying Japanese ? Why so proud admitting that your stupid enough to buy basically the same thing at higher price? If the mamak stall charge you 2.50 for teh tarik and your friend pay 1.50, what happen ? Still proud hah..my teh tarik better coz it cost more.. like that.
I used to work for the Japanese. I hate them. They always say “You Asians depend on us Japanese”. For them, they are not asian.. they are Japanese. The rest of asia are asian. For those of you out there… Malays, Chinese, Indians, Malaysians of other races.
Don’t be so proud of the Japanese…. they are not one of us. We Malaysians must take care of each other. May be 60 years from now.. our children and grand children will do to them what they did to our parents & grandparents.
Forgive but never forget.
so how much is proton going to pay mitsubishi for royalty per car ? minimum RM 8 – 10k ? I have tons of friend working in automobile inductry and i know you do not know the answer
don agree with razzack04.
if we compare mamak and starbuck,both is coffee but taste,quality PLUS environment is different.coffe can be 10xtimes more than mamak.
one reason y Malaysian still faithful and kow tow to Japanese product. Answer is Quality.
not only malaysian, the whole world will kow tow to any product that has Quality.
ask any adult ,which country produce the not so quality product?mostly answer China
which country produce good quality?japan, germany….etc
lastly,which country loves to spoon feed their citizien especially particular race but actually not for the sake of the race but actually their own interest or so call party: answer is …..hahaa!
i think is not compare starbuck and mamak coffee. it just the same kedai mamak, only the other one charge u more because it pay more for the shop, another one is only a stall. u still get the same coffee, the same quality of coffee. for example, if u go to kopitiam and u ask for milo ais, is it used different milo than milo ais in kedai mamak? the price is different, but the quality and taste still the same. that what he mean by rebadge and original is equally the same except there are modification made by the rebadge party such as chasis(so it can translate of reducing weight compare to the original one, for example, use smaller impact beam infront and omit door beam), detune engine and etc. but if only cosmetic modification, it is ok, the same as original.
i aggree with razzack04…..tapi justice ni….alahai….mesti teringin nak pakai mitsubishi nih…..tapi tak kesampaian….kereta justice skrang mesti stiker dan modified jadi mitsubishi….lepas nih mesti nak jual kereta lama dia….tengah bersedia nak beli waja lancer nnt….hampeh…..bangga apa dengan jenama orang lain…..build up kita punya produk dan brand…..
Jepun mempunyai budaya POP-culture tersendiri… Cakap la apa pun, dari produk sampai Manga (komik jepun) mempunyai pengaruh besar dalam pasaran… kenapa terhasil dari nilai begitu. Kerana mereka belajar dari kesilapan, berusaha melepasi kekangan dari dunia barat semenjak dari perang lagi… Sekarang terhasil pasaran yang mana sebelum ni sesiapa pun tak perfikir apa yang negara kepulauan tu boleh buat dengan sumber terhad… mentaliti rakyat mereka mempunyai semangat kenegaraan untuk memajukan negara. Tak macam kita kat sini, nak kerja dalam aircond aje. Suruh belajar, pemalas… Nak gaji besar, tapi kelulusan harap atas pagar… tadak semagan nak majukan diri… dah dapat kuasa, hmmm terus lupa diri… tak kira la dari side G ke atau Pembangkang… sama aja… Fikir sendiri… hasil kat malaysia nie kalau diterokai betul2… jepun pun boleh takut tau… So ubah mentaliti dulu serta semangat memajukan negara… jangan jadi mat jenin.. mimpi di siang hari (jepun cakap “Lampu di siang hari”).
We are taking about the car and not about any particular race. Please respect others. If you are soooo proud of your race and country of origin, the root of your race… please go back to your mainland. We should, as 1 malaysian, support each other and not blaming each other. I HATE RACISME
hahaha…buy P2…buy P2…
good car. but…..
Who said anything about 1.8-2.0 ? I believe a campro 1.6 will be in to reduce price to 70k.
ASAL ADA ORG JELES BILE PROTON COPYCAT LANCER?? BAGUS PE BLE BLI LANCER DGN HARGA MURA
NAK KATA P1 COPY CAT, EXORA DAH ADA, PERSONA DA ADA, EXORA DA ADA, SAVVY DA ADA.. APA SALAHNYA KALAU LANCER NI DICOPY SUPAYA RAKYAT PUN SENANG DAPAT BLI DENGAN HARGA MURA SKALI SKALA.. BUKAN SLALU PROTON COPY CAT SKNG. TAK SUKE JGN BLI. SENANG..
aku menunggu lama proton waja lancer ni.. tapi disebabkan terlalu lama, aku da terbeli myvi da
ala,,kalu hang tunggu pun,,,nanti ko nak tunggu kuar civic baru lakk….beli jek apa nak beli,,jgn tangguh,,, mana2 beli pun mmg rugi punye,,beli apa yg ko nak guna jek or nak buat berlagak jek
To fad.
Tolong jangan gunakan “copy”. sebab Proton re-badge Lancer. Mitsubishi pula re-badge Persona dan Exora untuk pasaran tertentu Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi tidak “copy” Proton model.
To Fad,
Jangan takut … Perodua products quality is much more better – Semua orang dah tau kalau compare dgn Proton punya products – nanti U kena pi Proton SC tiap2 minggu lor.
Janji skg U happy dengan U punya MyVi :)
perodua is not a car maker.
nor do they genuinely interested to become one.
they are all about money making.
and a very successful one.
talking about perodua is so boring one could die out of the boredom.
just like all their cars, plain boring 4 wheel boxes.
please don’t ruin the hot-ness of this topic we have here.
mana ada baik..sume sama saja ma.. haiyya
Zzzzzzz…. huhh, what ?.. what ?.. Produa ?… Zzzzzzzzzz
if i were the one of those lancer owner that spend 120k++ for lancer and this waja come out i will definely curse n swear proton.
man wtf. i paid so much so those ah beng can buy a cheaper car n look like mine?
damn.. good for those lala and ah beng
Still remember when Proton during crash test on Exora. 32 units destroyed for the testing purpose and cost 8 digits figures. What more to say plus other testing, man powers and time.
Proton re-badge this Lancer… cost for the crash test = none! or maybe a little as front end did changed some design so might do some test. Money save. Save more since no need to design it from ground up. Save time too. No need to send the car to few countries for intensive testing, running, wind tunnel, engine testing and many more. Save! save! save!
Of course, Proton has to pay the royalty fee. If this model sales good and generate lots of money then Proton can invest it more in their upcoming models…
Guys.
its confirmed..WRM will be using Mitsu engine.
4B11
[edit] Specifications
Engine type Inline 4 cylinder DOHC 16v, MIVEC
Displacement 2.0 L (1998 cc)
Bore 86 mm
Stroke 86 mm
Compression ratio 10:1
Fuel system ECI multiple
Peak power 108-114 kW (147-155 PS) at 6000 rpm
Peak torque 198 N·m (146 ft·lbf) at 4250 rpm
[edit] Applications
2007 Mitsubishi Lancer
2009 Mitsubishi Outlander (Facelift Europe)
Copy bulat bulat !!? Pakai saje la nama dan logo Mitsubishi Lancer. What for wanna call it Proton Waja Replacement Model ?
I am really looking forward to hear what Syed Zainal Abidin is going to say during the launching ceremony.
“25 years of innovation, here I present to you…………..Mitsubishi Lancer !”
sudahla.. aku tau ko tak puas hati…
dpt jugak penyokong proton merasa kereta 1.8 dgn 2.0 yg jauh lagi bagus dari vios. lancer is 5 star NCAP tau :), Vios apa ada?
Harga langkawi Mitsubishi lancer GT 2.0 OTR RM71,800.00.
1 Malaysia jual lah harga sama kat semenanjung/sabah/sarawak.
Takkan rebagde pun RM70K? Dok Rok.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.my/showroom-lancer-langkawi.php
itu rega tanpa tax, kalu rebadgepun, rega samalah tanpa tax. aiyoo…tapi kete proton ada tax, so mestilah lebih dari 72k, mgkin around 85k 2.0. 1.8 mungkin 75k. rega lancer gt tu xtermasuk bayar royalti kat mitsu lagi. xkan dia jual kete rega kos jer. mana ada orang jual barang rega kos
maksud kamu rebagde lancer proton dengan mitsubishi lancer tanpa tax harga
sama lah ya. jadi langkawi OTR RM71.8K tu tanpa tax lah ya. Baik hati Mitsubishi
jual barang harga kos ye. Dok Rok.
apalalah bodo sngt orang kampung nih…kat langkawi tu mitsubihi jual dngan harga keuntungan la….cuma kat semenanjung ni, jual dengan harga cukai yang tah berapa ratus % tuh… bayar cukai kat kerajaan……padahal kereta tu harga 71K saja…kat semenanjung jadi 110K…..tolong bagi duit kat kerajaan lah katakan….
Guys,just checked with Proton’s salesman in Subang today,lauching date probably next month September 2010!…stay tuned!
apa habaq semua?
abang lebai tak tau sangat pasai kereta.yang abang lebai tau pi kedai proton ushar2 model dok ada. bukak pintu test duduk sat..tutup pintu..ketangggg! alamak pasai pa bunyik tin? tarik2 gear uishhh lembut jugak. mintak kunci nak test drive. salesman bagi pusing tak sampai satu kilometer pun….duk kat meja, salesman bawak alat kira2 (kalkulator). dia tekan2 tuk tak tuk tak…”abang lebai kena bayaq 65k lebih kurang harga on d road”katanya…uish…abang lebai kata…ini kan buatan malaysia? pasai pa mahai sangat? “ini harga sulah masuk intelest maa” salesman kata.
abang lebai jawab…kalau macam ni memang la kerajaan takleh nak selamatkan proton. bukan crita pasai subsidi…tapi kalau juai ngan harga murah apa salahnya. rakyat pun suka. lepaih tu ramai duk hurung kedai proton pasai dapat barang kebanggan negara dengan harga murah…..ni harga sama dengan kereta luaq. depa yang pentingkan kualiti, keselesaan, mentenen kurang, segak, ada apa tu…dvvt? cvt? apa yang tt la pun terpekik di belakang…..”camni kami nak pi kedai kereta jepun atau jerman la….tambah dalam 10k saja dah buleh dapat yang meter cecah 200km/j dengan modai minyak rm50 saja….betui ka lagu tu?
abang lebai pun ikut depa ke kedai jepun dan jerman…..bukan apa saja nak tengok pulak kualiti yang depa sebut2 kan tu…nak tengok tin apa depa pakai untuk buat pintu…
Apa hang karut ni Jack?
Abg lebai… Jgn dok ikut sangat depa yang jadi lebai malang tu dok pilih barang luaq negara… Malaysia dah nak masuk 53 tahun merdeka, jangan dok fikir macam dulu yang mana omputih cakap “nak buat jarum pun tak pandai”… Jgn salahkan barang malaysia kalau ada kurang kat sana sini… tu sebab mentaliti rakyat malaysia juga yang terikut macam abg lebai (malaysia takleh maju)… Cuba fikir, industri automobil korea berubah sebab apa ?… Bukan sebab kerajaan paksa diaorg beli tapi kesedaran rakyat diaorang untuk memajukan industri & ekonomi negara. Kita pulak kat sini dok sibuk kata pintu kereta proton buat dari tin apa ?… Penah tengok bawah penutup pintu tu ada print tin sardin ka tin milo ka atau tin dumex ?… Kalau camtu BMW, Merc, VW plak pakai tin apa plak ?… Proton buat kereta kalau boleh biar rakyat malaysia mampu milik dengan kemampuan poket sendiri. Sekurangnya Lancer waja rebadge ni harga dia kurang lagi dari model asal. kalau sebut kereta rebadge harga mahal rasanya yang no.2 tu lagi mahal dari biasa. Pun ramai jugak yang beli walaupun harga nak sama dengan High spec yang asal tapi spec kat sini dapat macam gampang… Buat masa sekarang ni yang tengok Proton & naza memang dengaq apa yang pengguna kata… So Abg lebai, tolong jangan ikut si luncai tu semua terjun sungai dengan labu & jangan terlalu berangan macam Mat jenin…
pergh…nasib baik xjadi beli lancer…lepas ni salesman lancer xblh lah nak berlagak lg…kalau dulu nak test drive pun xbg…
Bro Tonik…
Lepas ni salesman Mitsubishi tak jual Lancer lagi dah… kalau ada pun nak perabih stok jer. Takkan Mitsu nak bawak masuk kalau dah ada Proton Lancer. Sama masa Saga dan Wira keluar dululah.
Lebai Ngah..
Crita pak lebai lebih kurang dgn crita kawan saya. Seorang Melayu.. sorang Cina. Dua2 nak kawin. Yang Melayu ni usha2 awek Melayu… siap test drive semua. Pastu bapak dia kata 15,000++ . Kawan saya kata…ini kan buatan malaysia? pasai pa mahai sangat? “ini dah sudah masuk semua” bapak dia kata.
Kawan saya jawab…kalau macam ni memang la kerajaan takleh nak selamatkan pompuan Melayu. bukan crita pasai kedekut…tapi kalau bagi ngan hantaran murah apa salahnya.
Last2 kawan saya kawin Indon. Selesa.. low maintenance.. harga murah.. bontot terangkat.. segak etc.
Yang kawan Cina pun lebih kurang.. cuma dia kawin ngan Vietnam. Semalam kat Bangsar… nampak satu group awek2 one Malaysia.. Melayu, Cina, India dgn Negro.
Saya ngan kawan2 gelak besar… Alahai Malaysia… tak de apa ke yg kita bagus? Kereta kita, org kita kata tak bagus… awek kita, lelaki kita kata tak bagus… lelaki kita, awek kita kata tak bagus…
Kah, Kah, Kah.
Tiga tahun dulu kenalanku yang kerja polis cerita pada saya tentang anak laki kawan dia yang tengah cari jodoh. Menurut kawan saya perempuan Melayu yang gemuk dan tidak cantik pun minta hantaran RM6,000 untuk perempuan tu saja. Belum masuk hadiah-hadiah dan perkakas bilik tidur lagi. Nahaslah kalau laki tu gaji tak tinggi.
To Wajarian – Confirm kar ? Pakai sebiji Enjin Mit Lancer ? Kot kot keluar yg lain pulak … Kes Buta nanti …
Wanna have a poll who wants to buy the new Waja replacement Lancer in the next 12 months? A lot of us here talk only lah.. but won’t buy any new car. But the lancer fever is catching on. I also feel like changing..
Yes, I really hope it will launch next month. Hahah… Can’t hardly wait even though it’s based on Mitsubishi Lancer not that interesting, but still have to see what Proton gives us.
Perdana next and most exciting one will be the Persona Replacement Model and the Emas production model and….next… next….
Cheers!
Dah banyak usaha dan peluh buat campro, tambah lagi semangat dah dapat auto gear 6 spd. Proton Lancar. he he he.
is this Lancer going to get “Lotus Ride and Handling” or maintain the original tune up?
Buying proton cars nowadays is like buying counterfeit goods. They look nice (or in some cases, similar) to the higher priced, branded and “more original” cars from Japan, Europe and US. The waja model has been around for around one decade and all proton can think of is to COPY the lancer??!! Hello, what have they been doing for the past ten years? wait for others to come up with a nice design, buy the shell, and slap proton logo on it? Yeah, that sounds like a strategy!! Launching this model will definitely bring sales to proton, but its a big laughing matter to our no. 1 national car company – after 25 years, we are still unable to come up with our very own car design.
To VTi.
What Proton has been doing for the past ten years? After the Waja, Proton produce Gen.2, Savvy, Satira Neo, Saga, Persona and Exora. Punch yourself VTi, are you dreaming?
This Waja Replacement Model re-badge from Mitsubishi Lancer is all about saving the cost to produce a new model from ground up, as it serves for a smaller market segment. In return, Mitsubishi will re-badge the Proton Persona and Exora for its selected market. Here, we are talking about business.
Do you understand? Don’t simply bash!! Better go back to kindergarten, because what were you doing for all this years? Bash blindly?
Die dh pakai peugeot vti….. soo standard die dh tinggi nun….. niway vti pki enjin mini gk. ‘Original’???
Its not the issue of why proton have to take Lancer as waja replacement and rebadge it…. Its more on why mitsubishi allowing its famous and top selling model to be rebadge under proton.
Hi Paul is it possible to us different background colour for different day posting so we can easily tell which is which. The comment here exceed 800 posting. Even Tun Mahathir blog cannot beat you !
800! Phew! ;-)
Maybe the latest post/comment can be moved to TOP or BOTTOM (together with the whole thread lah if it’s a reply). Coding could be hard though. Don’t ask me. I’m old skool :-(
Lancer 2.0 with lotus RIDE and HANDLING……..PERGGGHHHH..can’t wait to book… Will be the King of Karak Hiway…
Guys, I am not so sure how it works, but does Proton merely swap badges or rebuild the car itself? Here is my take on what should be done to make this car a nation wide industry killer!
Built on high safety specs and good transmission to capture the interest of Malaysians.
1) Base spec manual
1.5 MIVEC
5 speed manual
ABS, EBD, BA
2 airbags
RM68, 500
2) Base spec auto
1.8 DOHC MIVEC
6 speed automatic with sports mode
ABS, EBD, BA
2 airbags
RM69,500
3)High spec manual
1.8 / 2.0 16-valve DOHC diesel engine, turbocharger with intercooler (petrol option if
available)
6 speed manual
ABS, EBD, BA
Active traction control (ATC)
Active Stability control (ASC)
4 airbags
RM78,500
4)High spec auto
1.8 / 2.0 Litre 16-valve DOHC diesel engine, turbocharger with intercooler (petrol
option if available)
6 speed auto
ABS, EBD, BA
Active traction control (ATC)
Active Stability control (ASC)
4 airbags
RM79,500
These specs are available on UK and Australian models so it surely can be done. Proton needs to compete with Kia and Toyota, Honda to win this segment so I really hope they keep the customer in mind this time. They seem to be in the right direction, but only time will tell how it goes.
*I am not that well versed in auto mechanics, so if there is any errors up there, do let me know.
based on what happened to honda’s v-tec in malaysia, i don’t think the government will ever let malaysian get a 1.8/2.0L engine mated to a manual transmission. even 1.5L v-tec don’t get a manual let alone 1.8/2.0L MIVEC.
what a let down. so much for “rakyat didahulukan”.
If really good quality from Proton … sure can support Proton lar … if not better don’t look for trouble headache everyday thinking of sending the car to Proton SC.
hope they (proton) don’t changed too much on design..if 98% alike lancer sure i will buy
GW – If like that … can consider lor :)
Well, they need to compete with Kia Forte on the specs and pricing. Hope the public is more aware of what is actually in the car before buying it.
Kia Forte specs are not that competetive. other than the external good looks, the Forte’s engine, chasis, and ride & handling is still far from being competetive with the Lancer.
i can’t help but to mention again how ugly and awkward the Forte’s steering wheel and dashboard looks compared to the rest of the sporty looks of the car.
Forte = Lancer? bcos same 4B11 engine? just looks & accessories diff? Forte 6 air bags, how much can proton provide to Malaysian?
Paul, thousand of malaysian & consumer are hundred times more matured than ever after reading this…Congratulations! last but aint least, P1 & P2 should paid you on makin thus public awareness aka promotion on their products xD
haha ~ peroduo can y not proton !?
owah…already 800 comments even far away the launching date
wow all the hype since few months ago…
honestly i was hoping for something original from proton, original as in sharing platform/technology but of course looks different from Mitsu cars, with own identity…
to be frank, i feel disappointed if proton really decide to just change bumpers and use cheaper materials to rebadge Mitsu lancer, oh plus swapping the 2.0 engine with their CPS.
i am sure proton is far more capable than this, after 25 years of experience…
c’mon… don’t let your loyal supporters down…
Another Ah Beng Car on the road…
like myvi passo/boon/sirion, viva avy, kenari move etc…
banyak komen, cuba la buat sendiri la…. japan pun tiru barat dulu baru pandai!!!!
sound yummy… planning to swap my gen2.. yeah.. keep on coming.. my first car is proton and it will be my last car also
Today’s newspaper reported that it will be launched in November.
1.8L – Manual and Auto Transmission
2.0L – Auto only
Price will be RM85k and above!
Which newspaper?? Wow overkill price… Hopefully the price is not true n the launching date is true.
Below 80k with Lancer GT looks, 16″ rims ok lah~
hope there is ah beng tail light to improve the rear and more executive looks…
Well done Paul, 800++ comments, and the list keeps on going.. I happened to see this car on kesas last week, nothing new on the outside but its refreshing to see Proton coming up with another model, unlike Proton 6 years ago, banking on old model and selling cars which people do not want. Now it seems like every 2 years, Proton showrooms are brightened with facelifts or new model.
Perhaps those cursing Proton now are feeling a liitle bit shaky with the company’s new move. So, maybe, they start to throw allegation words , baselessly, hoping that the sentiment 5-6 years ago are still strong or grow.. I think you all can try but Proton is not stopping, the way I see it..
“counterfeit product”, “tin-milo-body” and other terms used are proofs that these people do not know Proton now..
All the best and this is just my 2 cents..
so much for “kereta buatan malaysia” LOL
i have been and still a supporter of proton, they are one of the biggest companies in malaysia, bring lots of tax ravenue, giving jobs to locals etc…
but pls dont put the word “competitive” and “proton” in one sentence, theres nothing competitive about proton where other carmakers “enjoys” 50~200% in taxes.
I`ll still buy this car ones it comes out though.
tax ravenue, giving jobs to locals etc… Oh my god! What do you know?
If Proton disappear, there will be more revenue coming in!
All those big car company can assembly their cars here, provide more jobs!
And what makes you think they will benefit us without a catch? What a dumb talk…..
nak tanya naper ada 2 nama bg kereta forte??? NAZA forte ngn KIA forte…..nk tny jgk….exora punya design amik dari model kereta mana same as persona tq….saya budak baru belajar
exora was made to compete with grand livina. design is from p1 itself… no copy2 dats y mitsu nak rebadge… persona n gen-2 also was completely build form scratch from p1. they invested millions for RnD… mitsu pon dah xlarat nk kuarkan duit banyak2 nk design baru. sbb tu jgk diorg rebadge kreta p1
There are good and bad points in my opinion.
Good points are the car will at least be solid due to it being based on a tried and tested design and technology. Bigger capacity engines is a good direction, strengthening the selection for Proton.
It is however, a step back in terms of design direction for Proton, who by now should be consolidating their design philosophy, to create its own distinct character. Proton was making promising steps, for example with the Satria Neo which I feel is a good design.
I hope that they maximise their opportunity with this move, getting as much technology transfer as possible, for future models. However, I also really feel that they should work hard on their design philosophy, and emulate what Kia has managed to do, elevating their image through some strong design with recent models.
Rebadge is practicing around the world, but not selling rebadge car and original car at the same time. Mitsubishi really sux to let this happen in Malaysia.
Proton should be blamed for high car price in Malaysia. If we have a fair trade, Proton will just disappear like nothing.
Why there are so many people still don’t understand. Proton is wasting rakyat money. You feel proud for what? Proton car is low quality! For given the same amount of money, other manufacturers make a much better car.
For those kampung hero, support Proton blindly, please wake up. If Malaysian so proud of Pronton, then they don’t just replace Mitsubishi logo on their lousy Proton! These people just so pathetic.
agree…why oo why these bunch of lunatics still dont understand…
i think you are one angry & fustrated mitsu lancer owner.
200% agreed
Sorry nak celah, rasanya kalau proton tadak pun harga kereta kat malaysia tetap tak turun. Fair Trade ?. Hmmm… Fair ka kalau interest untuk proton bank kenakan tinggi sedangkan yang import & CDK dapat interest rendah. Korea pun jual Lancer rebadge gak walaupun ada jual kat sana, pun harga jualan pun murah. Lagi aku tak paham kalau subsidi yang bagi kat rakyat tak menguntungkan negara. Lagi rugi ada… Tak kisah la nak kata kampung hero ka, apa ka… yang tau kebanyakkan kampung Hero gak yang berjaya mengharumkan nama negara kat luar. Yang berlagak ni kebanyakkan adalah yang buat pandai tapi apa tadak… tu yang lagi pathetic !.
people excited about this new waja because they want mitsu lancer DNA, not because of the Proton brand & product.. at the end of the day, mitsu still the winner
yeah like ppl so so excited with myvi from T/D hahhahaa 2X5 5X2 = 10
when P1 makes it all of sudden it became issue. when your P2 does it u dont say anything pulak…
Because proton is under gov protection and already 25 years hiding under it.
its not hiding, the gov starts that company rite? its a national project and they own part of it lor
i sokong apa lousyproton kata…..mcm mana proton nak dapat nama…..kereta proton wira, saga, waja dan persona, semua berlambak dengan stiker mitsubishi…..alahai…dah pakai proton tu…buat apa nak jadi kereta lain….jom la kita sama naikkan nama proton…support our brand…..kalau kita tak support kita punya brand….sapa lgi yang nak support. i rasa kalau mitsubishi dapat persona dan modified persona tu jadi acuan mitsubishi punya,,,berlambak ler pulak nak beli persona tu…..so fikirkan kenapa?
aku akan jadi org pertama beli lambo pastu tukar badge proton!..
ini ada LOTUS HANDLING….lancer mana ada lol…hehehe
lotus handling = better stability n control
not like myvi, feels like driving a boat especially when cornering at high speed
izzit true ..i heard 1st 300unit using mivec 1.8 engine..??
Finally,proton cannot stand his own leg to compete in automotive market.
mitsu take our exora n persona, does it mean that mitsu also cannot stand on its own leg too?
P2 COPY COMPLETELY from T/D so it means dat P2 DONT HAVE LEG lar… hahahahhaa!! dont forget NZ, INO this all are brothers. DUHH!
cakap tp xpikir guna akal
emmm……too long waiting this project finish….thump up for my friends…..tak sia-sia pi jepun nuu……
as u can see at the top of the rear bonet.
there are 3 holes that was tapped???
maybe it is a spoiler?
kalau taknak beli waja baru ni takut low quality takpe, beli je mit lancer. kete diorg, duit kita…hmmm……
Well, it seems that Proton must have a very good PR to explain and reason with some people who cannot accept Proton’s business plan which I believe to prosper and give synergy to local automotive sector.
And kopikapalapi..what do you mean..can give further explanation on your friends visit or stay in Japan. What your friend got to do with this project….
hopefully in TIMINGCHAIN
parak la kalau timing belt lagi oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
EVEN FORTE PON DAH CHANGE TO TIMINGCHAIN
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dulu (2000) berangan gila nak sambaq conti car kalau da mula keje pas grad. Lastly, pakai national car jgk. Tapi aku bangga gak at least myvi,wira campro, kelisa, dan separuh drpd keluaran local (lebih cket kot) yg dah aku lenjan sana sini, semuanya betul2 memberikan satisfaction pada aku. Alhamdulillah, walaupun da sambaq beemer cun, kereta nasional (myvi ezi dan wira injection) masih aku gunakan even nak g meeting skalipun ….. proud to be malaysian apa …….
Well, its all up to proton la as they wanna follow P2 as at the end of the day profit is wat matters.
but sad to sad proton which suppose to be profitable all the while neva make use of their resources properly and could have gain more.
anyhow now just rebadge is also good la, fully use the high tech assembly line the have and later use it to design their own models..
still waiting launching date!
now all busy puasa la pal.. thats one month, give them one month after that to realize they have to launch a car.. then one more month to think about it.. then one more month to actually think of a date to launch.. which should be one month later.. my bet’s in December? :D
pintu pakai tin apa ? what a joke. try to open a waja front door , you will know how heavy it is, much heavier than vios, myvi, city…
waja lancer….syabas proton…jgn malu dgn tindakan anda…yg penting kualiti kereta nasional akan meningkat selepas ni,aku bangga jd rakyat malaysia walaupon masa akan datang proton serupa ngan ferrari skali pon…tak guna wat design sendiri tp kereta tu buruk utk dipandang…hidup proton
I have been using waja, 1st genenation, and after 10 years.. there is no single reason why i need to sell the car even some of my friends really really ask for it. Why I still ‘in love’ with my waja? The reason is it satisfy me especially in term of performance..i.e engine and handling.. you still can cruise at confidence in range speed of 150 -160 kmh (the end limit of me).. other than that is the safety issue and the last one is fuel consumption is OK. The main thing is to make sure that you do regular maintenanace, then, insyaallah no breakdown.. and you can drive with piece in mind
And.. two years ago.. i bought honda civic new model, priced 112k++. And you know… the lesson that i learn is I am more appreciate having waja compared to before!! you know why.. there is a phrase saying” quality is a function of expectation and price”, OK with the price of honda and the image/reputation.. make me to expect high.. but then… the experience tell the truth.. I faced problem with my new honda in my first month and honda only manage to solve the problem after i send the car for the 3rd time of my complain.
So to me.. please do not PUJI to much the imported car.. and do not KEJI our local car. Other cars also have problem as our local car..
BUT.. to me to be competitive.. proton have to have a dynamic design.. and do not only rely on lotus technology. It must have a complete package because.. it is not good enough if you have a good car but poor design… or good design but poor performance.
Q = performance + features + reliability + durability + serviceability +…. (it is a package.. not a single core product)
The most success model for proton is, GTI……Proton GTI 1.8, following by wira…..but wira model can last long for 20 over yrs, don’t know is great or should be sad……
Beli kereta bukan shj utk naik dan pergi mana mana. Jika itu sahaja tujuannya, beli kereta lembu pun ok. Tapi IMEJ. Kereta m’sia tidak membawa imej yg baik. Itu sebab kita kena beli kereta luar.
Imej adalah hasil dari reputation. Reputation adalah hasil excellence. Excellence based on records. Image is not overnight job. Sebab itu mana-mana produk yang mempunyai imej yang baik mempunyai sejarahnya yang panjang.. jatuh dan bangun.. learn from mistake.. and so on..
lihat sahaja imej audi, merc, BMW, honda & the rest… lihat sejarah mereka… dan kita akan faham kenapa imej mereka berada pada tahap ini sekarang. Apapun… seribu langkah bermula dengan langkah pertama.
Setiap produk dibina ada sasaran pelanggannya… sesuai dengan imej yang dibina.. contoh. untuk orang kaya biasa… mercedes biasapun ok… untuk orang kaya yang sedikit luar biasa, brabus yang sesuai … begitulah perumpamaannya
No Blame….No Complaint……No excuse……Move Forward!
Bla…Bla…bla…. Whatever it is…… i like this car.. i will by one for my daughter’s birthday.
how to by one? don’t catch what u mean?
i mean buy one la… typo error…heh
based on scarce information that I have seen so far, I have no issues with this model except for;
1. The usual issues with quality of Proton
2. The normal lack of security feature in Proton cars (yet known about this model)
3. The design, why in the world after all these years, Proton couldn’t come out with an original design for this model is out of my mind.
lu tarak baca sana atas post ka… ini soalan .. sana sudah jawab…
lu apa lu, lu… itu bukan soalan, itu statement, just my opinion…
“statement” anda yg no 3 tu seolah2 mcm soalan. dan jwpn die ade dlm 900++ komen2 ni..
Work harder and get a City/Vios instead of sitting here wasting time in LYN Bashing Proton
i am not bias to any brand of cars, i tink proton has improved a lot compared to previous decade, though they always adopt mitsubishi’s design. To be frank, i own a honda jazz ’07, i expect it to be a good car n problemless due to its branding, but in fact it was not. it disappointed me, it has problem in the 2nd year, bearing, front suspension n etc. most surprisingly was i suffered from ‘cant start engine’ several times, end up waiting ppl to help in petrol station. even u put on a new battery, sumtimes u wil nid to turn ur key very long for it to start. i tot such a problem should not occur for imported cars, summore in the 1st year i bought it. VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!
And now the gearbox oso like bit cacat, which sounds cacat when u press the acceralator, and it is not as smooth as last time. the car is juz 3 years old…Haiz…so guys, never think imported cars are the best choice of buying, price is not everything to decide good quality or not, i would consider to buy a satrio neo in the future, which i tink it has nice design n handling…
cheers up for local products…
memang orang pakia honda ada sikit ego.. malu nak nyatakan bhw kereta dioarang tu pun ada masalah.. kira kalu kete jepun tiptop.. kalu kete proton pintas civic diaorang… huhhh… kejar balik… konon macam power tiada tandingan la… mcm tu jg T… kat mesia panggil dengan nada berlapik.. Servis Khas… padahal memang masalah besar.. takut malu… neo… is sexy car… i like it…
Jazz it’s not a valueable car that should buy, 1.5 or 1.6 over hundred thousand….hahaa….ovr hundred thousand got lot of choice lor~~
Ape yang saya dgr dari Mitsubishi Motors Corp, MMC, keta proton yang baru ni totally different with lancer gt. engine use still CPS. 1.8 CPS. that all…. no 2.0. and will be launch next year..not this year.. that confirm!!
Takkan MMC nak bagi engin 4B11 free mcm tu je…..jgn mimpi la proton.. MMC pun nak cari makan gak.. dulu boleh la MMC bagi semua..sbb proton xde ape2, masa tu malaysia mewah di bawah Tun Mahathir, (buktinya tgk saja dividen ASB = tinggi) that why zaman dia byk projek mega, termasuklah projek proton…byak yang dilaburkan oleh malaysia untuk dapatkan teknologi MMC termasuk engin sbb masa tu proton start from zero tp skrg tidak lagi coz proton dah ada kepakaran sampai dah bleh buat engin sendiri yakni Campro…so, i 100% pasti yg proton akan pakai engin ni…demi menjaga maruah mereka, sebab big boos dia ckp nak ikut hyundai…hyundai macam proton la di korea..
Tp skrg dah 25thn, proton dah maju skit demi skit melalui keuntungan hasil penjualan model2 yg xberkualiti sebelum ini, dan proton juga dah menjadi salah satu pesaing mereka(MMC)….jadi pertukaran model antara MMC dan proton bukan lagi mcm dahulu, kali ini hanya untuk share and learn each technology…not copy phase any more… that why byk perjanjian proton dgn syarikat kenderaan lain tak berjaya kerana proton nak copy and phase terus… Volkvegen pun xnak macam tu.. kalau proton nak tolong pasang kenderaan diaorg, maybe ramai yang nak..hehehehe
ape yg ko merapu ni?proton amek lancer–>rebadge, MMC amek pesona dan exora —>rebadge. Paultan ade entry kot pasal MoU yg diorg dh sign tu.sejak bile plak proton ade engin 1.8 CPS.merapu je lebih
kalau tak pakai 1.8 CPS, sah2 la pakai 1.6 CPS. hahaha. pergi buat custom bodykit lancer gt la bro… hahaha
kalau bodoh bodoh jugak ko ni. takleh nak tolong dah hahaha
ntah hape2 dier ni, org proton dah bg tau aku aritu MIVEC1.8 CONFIRM! ape hal tibe2 CPS1.8 lak… mmg ske merapu dier ni…
ko tau x knape P1 xnk sign ngan VW? sbnrnye VW nk guna proton tg malim untk pasang kreta diorg… mane la P1 nk bg… susah2 buat plant canggih2 tibe2 org lain nk guna. skrg VW dah deal ngan hicom, kite tgk la nnti kualiti dier mcm mane plak. dari pengalaman aku, kualitinye akn lebih kurang dengan bistari/206. rase mcm bawak kancil!
salesman honda/toyota la tu. tak pon lancer owner yg sakit hati haha. dah ade spyshot pon ckp bukan2 lancer fortis la apa la. in denial lol
How come nobody whack Perodua when the fact they are also doing the rebadge exercise with the Myvi?????? By the way, it is for the reason that lots of people who purchased the Myvi is due to the perception that a copycat of a Toyota/Daihatsu is always more superior than a local product.
Let’s be realistic. Will you give the priority to buy the Waja replacement model if it is a genuine R&D effort from Proton against a Mitsubishi rebadge??? Come on it doesn’t take a genius to figure out the answer. A spoilt child due to protection can never churn out GOOD results!!!!!
by then why not.. as these will make our pocket not so empty..
we’ll drive nice less headache car.. spend more money on something else other than car cosmetics.. true or not?… less 15 % in malaysia new car user modified their newly born car (other than changing their rims, lights etc. small items ) . mostly 85% are 2nd used car.. right.??/ or the car aged 5-10 yrs of use..somemore the car are cheap.. so they intend to make it look more elegance or racing alike.. therefore by rebadging most of us the not rich persons can have a quality yet DREAM COME TRUE car.. am i right.. well if it too mislead i think this is our PRESENT for being loyal to proton all this long..the car we all dream about.. the car that make our sleep snooring sounded like turbo .. hehehe think positive man.. at least i dont wanna buy my dream car when i’m turned 60 or 70 in age… what the use of that…???
kalau proton nak jimat kos lagi, mereka mungkin akan pakai enjin ni.. baru bleh dpt jual dgn harga RM70 – 80 K..
1.8X (F4P)
* 4-speed AT
* DOHC 16-valve inline-4 cylinder F4P
o MPI Fuel System
o Max output : 116 hp (87 kW) @ 5750 rpm
o Max torque : 165 N·m (122 lb·ft) @ 3750 rpm
o Max speed : 186 km/h (116 mph)
2.0 V6 (Waja Chancellor)
* 4-speed AT
* DOHC 24-valve V6 6A12 engine
o MPI Fuel System
o Max output : 148 hp (110 kW) @ 6750 rpm
o Max torque : 179 N·m (132 lb·ft) @ 4000 rpm
o Max speed : 205 km/h (127 mph)
hahaha….1.8 just produce 116hp……hahahaha~~can throw to rubbish bin lar….as Cheverolet Cruez 1.8 also can produce more Hp than this….~~
wo,,great ,..but i don’t like the front side ,,,,the face and the grill,,,i hope it will design much better simple and beautiful,,the back side is ok,,thnkz
i bet those haters will be buying the new waja once it is launched officially…my money is on proton..that’s wat i can afford to buy wit my hard earned money….hehehe..i wonder wat would those haters say if proton rebadge mercedes or volvo?Geely anyone?
This will be a hot choice between an entry-level of Ford Fiesta and Proton Lancer. Which one will you choose, a Fiesta that outrun a baddie in a Corvette in mall or a Lancer(actually is an Evo) that outrun a tank?
Dammit , I hate my own country rebadge other countries product . Why they want to copy from Lancer ? It’s (very very) sucks . I wish Proton could make it’s own design and not copying other’s .
ori2..baru dpt info dari org proton.. engin mitsubishi 1.6 and 1.8…
bentuk tak macam lancer.. bentuk di upgrade dan diubahsuai sikit2 dari model waja sebelum ni.. diaorg kata nampak mcm kereta mewah skit.. harga blum confirm lagi.. TQ
p/s: so boleh beli lancer gt la.. hehehe…
Hmm..I’m a big fan of Lancer Evo X. Hopefully it is cheaper than Mitsubishi sells and hopefully the engine can be replaced by Evo X’s engine…that way I get a cheaper Lancer Evo X with new face (I hope it looks good) and as fast as the original Lancer Evo X. :)
sure got 1…….but need to wait lar……it guarantee will have proton replace evo x…..just make sure u wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51EqGlM4-y8
look at this video, clay model car is new waja model… info from proton
It’s not a good idea either. There should not to have our 2 national car industry in the first place. Too many car in our road to create traffic jam and accidents. Our government in the past think it was a lucrative industry and benefit the rakyat. This was a very childish thought as develop and designs a car is not an easy task and expensive actually. Ok, later vehicle number increase year by year, government are wasting money to expands road and highway into triple lane. Why not use this money to develop our country public transport? now even the poor family effort to buy a car and this lead to other social problem like bankruptcy and car theft. Owning a car let people tends to be stingy for sharing things and egoistic, performing dangerous stunt in the roads.
I agree with you, too many car in the road will also lead to air pollution. On the other hand, our government are finding solution to our petrol subsidy scheme which seem not fair to everybody. They are in big headache now. At least the current government and Transport minister Kong Cho Ha are thinking for the benefit of the Rakyat. The current KTM stretch from Ipoh to Seremban is a good example. I hope to see more improvement in our public transport.
It’s should not to have our national car in the first place. It need a lot of money and effort to design a car. It create so many problem after all with the car industry nearly bankrupt like GM. Our gov in the past think it is a very lucrative industry and actually it is not. It create many social problem too like car theft, car loaning that lead to bankrupt, traffic jam, accident. Even poor family now can buy a car. owning a car also create selfishness, egoistic among the young esp. uni student and performing dangerous stunt. They use their education loan or sponsorship to buy car instead of buying books. I cannot blame them since nowadays there are so many snatch thief and bad weather also. recently, report show that accident cause a huge lost to our country. With so many cheap car in the road, gov are spending a huge sum of money to expand the road into multi-lane. Why not pouring money to public transport and minimize the use of petrol to save our environment? I understand the difficulty of not having a car. this is due to our previous gov no invest in the public transportation.
Nice!when you buy this car u can remove the P1 logo and put fake Mitsubishi logo!just looks like real Lancer or Evo but we know it we can’t remove the quality and the real banana product =.=’
even the design is same as lancer but still have problem coz this model is using campro, i dont know the engine though or not..
nola it use mitsu engine. pesona replacement model will use 1.6 turbo. cant wait to see this thunder cat . saving for dp.
u know what, the persona cps one.. my friends said it can go for 2++ km/h for sure!! omg i was so surprised that Malaysian car can go that fast!! so with this 1.8 campro lancer.. no wonder if it can go 300 kmh! ;D
Since when persona got CPS?
im not sure either gen2 or persona.. but i thought all new cars by proton got CPS version?
cek dulu brother before comment..hehe
Waja celup…pun ok ape..kira orang malaysia, kaki pungut..
ppl gonna buy this proton waja drive traight to ah beng accesories shop convert to Mit Lancer b4 drive back home.haha at the end of the day it is real Mit Lancer.those who recently bought Mit Lancer gonna curse proton to the max,i think many of them already in this forum.wat ever u guys can say la …atleast proton doing something that can benefit us .we can drive better car with lower price.it just my 2 cent….hope no hard feeling sorry if i hurt anyone out side there.
Regards
Takde semangat patriotik betul asik nak banggakan jepun je…….semua nak ikut jepun ….semua nak copy jepun….apa nie!!!!!! tak bolehkah nak bangga dengan ciptaan kita sendiri, apahal nak tiru orang punya…..
Saya rasa orang yang sokong idea rebadge ni sebenarnya bukannya suka sangat kat proton tapi mereka nak sangat keta mitsubishi dengan harga murah, sebab tulah mere setuju dengan idea ni. dengan kata lain mereka ni pemuja mitsubihi sebenarnya tapi tak mampu nak beli keta tu sebab mahal sangat.
apa punya orang macam ni hipokrit betoi….
dulu PM ada dasar pandang ke timur..itu la pasalnya keta jepun jadi pilihan…hasil drpd pandang ke timur…hehehe
To all Lancer owner…don’t curse Proton la.. you think your car brand good enuf ke? Lousy gearbox…you should grateful to Proton coz Proton makes your car look great but actually same as Proton only. But if you are Toyota or Honda owner than ok laaa…
Message : Honda recall: 4,000 hit
HONDA Jazz hatchbacks here are among those affected by a global safety recall announced last week.
Authorised Honda agent Kah Motor said yesterday that the affected cars were manufactured between 2002 and 2004. It said it sold about 4,000 such cars here, but is unsure how many are still on the road.
Singapore car owners often trade in their rides once they hit five years old. Many of these trade-in vehicles are then scrapped or re-exported to other countries.
Honda Motor’s global safety campaign affects close to 650,000 cars in North America, South America, Europe, South Africa and Asia, but not Japan.
The recall is for Honda to fix a design flaw in a power-window switch. Honda said moisture could get into the current switch, which may cause a short-circuit and, in extreme cases, fires.
TOKYO — Honda Motor Co. is adding 437,000 vehicles to its 15-month old global recall for faulty airbags in the latest quality problem to hit a Japanese automaker.
The company will replace the driver’s side air bag inflator on the cars because they can deploy with too much pressure, causing the inflator to rupture and injure or kill the driver
Toyota …. no nedd to story la ….. if want a car without break then buy Toyota….moving foward without stop
There were three reported cases of fires as a result of this defect – two in the
betul bang!!!!
baru dapat info…..waja guna engine campro….
info lg!! haizzz
hahah.. salah maner apat info 2.. ko kena kencing jer.. hancing
talak mampu talak hal punyaa!!!! lu bole latang angkat wang sama gua……semua keleta pun bole beli ma……
Yang Benar
ALONG
Promosi Raya…..3 bulan tanpa bayaran
depa kerjasama jadi x salahla untuk rebagde. Kan bnyak jgak proton reka model sendiri persona, gen 2, satria neo. dah cukup membanggakan dan lebih bnyk lagi yang menyusul.
kalau dah cukup membanggakan kenapa nak tiru …… kenapa kena pakai idea orang lain…..itu bukan membanggakan tapi memalukan……
kita siap buat iklan beli barangan tempatan tapi kita sendiri tak sokong…..
apalahhhhh hipokrit…..nak untung je lebih
Utk membolehkan proton ada peluang untuk fabricate new design car, diorang perlukan duit yang sangat banyak. To increase their income, there are series of project have been arranged and will be implement in several stage. Rebadge is one of their tiny minor strategies. Others, u can ask dato’ syed and his group..;p
To fabricate new thing, u have to grasp large amount of data, to ensure ur product has good quality (FMEA process + past trouble).
When proton own this lancer car, they will also own series of data. this data will help them to improve the car further, more than the original one in several aspect (vibration, water leak, durability, air resistance, air flow, assembly process, etc.) Otherwise they can use their facility to do reverse engineering. I’m sure that there is a lot of benefit proton gain thru this project.
This is what a great businessman does to run business, gain profit, promoted their brand, and improved skill through observation, learning process and experiences.
(Quality, Cost, Delivery, Management, Safety, Environment).
But seriously, it was incredibly good jobs for those who had convinced MMC to collaborate with proton.
You guys are awesome..:)
Keep up the good work..Yosh!:)
Happy hari raya to all..drive safely for those who use proton or any other cars that claimed have been equipped with very safety gadget..(“,)/
bgus moku,, you give an inteligent comment,, why not 4 bpr?? may be in the the future proton can have an achievement as well as mitsu,, why not kan,, im proud to be malaysian,,
pemikiran lu kolot la… sumeorg buat sume x btul sume slh… ko sorg je la yg btol… kalau kite buat kete sendiri dah tentu ko akan kate ceh kerete xdek kualiti mahal je lebeh… bile org buat kete cntik mcm ni kate meniru org lain plak.. dah tu ko buat je kerete sendiri
Using a 20 year old Proton Saga a savior to my life. Although there is a lot of noise from my car wear and tear parts, the engine never give any major problem.
Recently took my car for a full overhaul (RM 700++) my mechanic amazed that the head is still immaculate eventough it was 20 year old in age. The secret? Change you car lube every month. Just took the cheapest lube (castrol gtx) around RM35-RM45 per month, rather than RM99 per service at your nearest Proton service center, will save your car engine in the long run.
Try it!
apad – same to my old Iswara 1.3MT – I’ve been using Semi Syn Eng Oil (Castrol/Petronas/Shell) after the 2nd service … after 11 years no issue with my car engine … just some noise which due to wear n tear from other parts.
My relative bought Persona & New Saga but having some tech issues after 1 week … Persona (AT) air-cond issues & some sound from the back … Saga (AT) suddenly engine stop running in the middle of road – lucky no car from behind else … dunno what to expect aldy.
Really hope Proton improve their quality rather then just showing Quantity Sold.
Sekarang nih pon da boring asyik tgk byk waja yg tutup bahagian plat number semata2 nak kasik bentuk mcm lancer…tukar lampu blakang kasik cam bimmer …
lepas nih takyah diorang susah2 lagik .. da ada re-badge, so snang sket nak meriak..
Yeah, Honda still rulez~!! hahahahahahahaha~!
wow….that’s marvelous… sure to get one cos can have the mitsibushi lancer quality at the half of the price……its sure a cost saving man……the badge….well …it can be replace with the diamond badge at any time…….should thanks to proton as this will enable the malaysian to own and ride the so-called Lancer GT….syabas………
toyota the best
hi guys….firstly i amaze with numerous of comments regarding this so called proton car…but at the same time im cant understand what exactly do these anti proton wants…cant all of you see…this damn company try it best to win the malaysian heart….first they produce the national car…after years they being condemn for copying others…ok then they produce their own engine and car…..but people are looking to the sky and expecting these infant to be the next mercs for god sake man…then they know they are juz the wannabe then they know those bachelor especially mamat2 kilang n kereta love to tune their car but cant afford to buy the real sport car so they turn up to make this one…but whaty they get…is just only the damn negative reception……my god man…fellas please give them a chance…
yang mana satu betul ni???
ade cakap cam lancer baru..
ade cakap cam waja lama just upgrade sikit jeee…
The PSA also rebadge the Mitsubihis MIEV, can we say that a huge company a copycat too? think about it.. Stop bashing, start learning.
i very disappointed proton is refer and copy the curtain idea from Mitsubishi. Proton doesn’t have automotive designer either proton is no qualification to design their own car. Well, they can refer the other car design but not copy probably. If proton have a contest for Malaysians to get a chance to design our own car in Malaysia, i think is very attractive for all. Otherwise proton will spending a long period to improve their qualities. By the way, proton is upgrading now, i hope Proton can achieve the target belong to the visions 2020. Good luck! But i m have interesting about the new Waja
dpt info harga
RM85K
for 1.8L eng
wo Insurance
can book now
what a frustrations news for Lancer owner after proton new replacement model for waja. How can mitsu agreed with 90% pirated lancer…to b a Waja. If CKD why not go for truly CKD and install/assembly in Malaysia by proton..no need change its sir name.
Proton has already at very good start after the few models and its new brand mpv..why suddenly make a decision like a small kid..turn back the history…if like this better do and become like NAZA – KIA.
If Lancer GT CBU before tax price is at RM 35K++ how much may be Proton be fair to put their price in Malaysia market??
Well,i a bit upset when i known this.,but on the other point of think,i am happy coz alot of people are actually like LANCER..is only they can’t afford to buy! So,this is a good news for those guyz who like real LANCER but can’t afford to buy! So,the NEW WAJA is the best choice for u guyz…
BUT,think carefully.. is it PROTON!! not MITSUBISHI! it is only the out looks almost same as lancer but the QUALITY is not that same! Some stupid says,(Haha,below 100k can get LANCER quality!)DREAMS!! do u think u pay less than 100k can get a 100% same MATERIAL,ENGINES & QUALITY with LANCER? ya,i know our taxes are high! but NO…u can’t! get the same,that for sure! but out looks u can! So,for any LANCER owner here,i would like to say..dun be so upset about it… we are paying for the QUALITY! and we r using the real LANCER..not the FAKE 1!! So..when we saw the FAKE 1 on the road..juz chase him kao kao!! let those NEW WAJA owner know what is the different between a WAJA and LANCER! At last i want to tell those want to but local product PROTON WAJA.. don’t dream u are buying a LANCER! u r only buying a RM8?k PROTON WAJA! not 123K MITSUBISHI LANCER! no matter how u change the out looks.. your steering weel & engines logo is PROTON! this u can’t change! People just go see your steering then will know yours is a PROTON! That’s it.
Hahaha… If the proton waja owner change to evo x engine.. Tats it for you dude.haha.. So cocky, u think ur lancer so fast arr… Even Proton Waja CPS can challenge ur so called expensive car..
yes u r rite!!! l
….those lancer GT owner, don’t lah feel so proud of the RM123K price, bear in mind its also due to the higher tax imposed by the govt. when i was in europe recently, the price of this mitsub.lancer after convert from euro to RM, it only cost around RM60-65K .
Ni lagi sorang buta ekonomi & bodoh ekonomi. Langsung takde ilmu pasal strategi pemasaran dunia automotif.
hehe..sokonggg!!
awak sekolah ekonomi ke.. mmg lah pasal stategi..tapi kalau ada alternatif lain yang lebih murah dan menjimatkan ….its a better option. kalu kat europe bleh jual around RM60-65K jauh lebih murah spt yang dijual di malaysia, maknanya syt mitsubishi masih mendapat untung…..why go for high price for the same produk……yang penting kita sebagai pengguna dapat memiliki kereta yang bermutu pada harga yang jauh lebih murah.
aiyoyo…..y so worry…..arrhhh…if more ppl buy this proton lancer ????………if u dun like….go buy the real lancer lah….since u hav more money to burn away
no need drip all ur saliva out mati-mati tarik others 2 not 2 buy
fyi, malaysians are very ‘masak’ very proton after all these years. So, quality wise, they are smart enuff 2 make decision. Comprede ?
The fact is that there is only minor (not so significant) changes between mitsu lancer and waja lancer. The waja lancer only do little modification in term of front & back bumper. Only that!!! plus some localize-material for door trim.. to reduce the production cost. The body and the engine still from mitsu. So in term of engine performance.. no difference… body look-like… no difference.. and for the engine, proton offer 2 variant.. 1.8 and 2.0, both from mitsu.
So.. we can judge, which one is worth buying. Don’t believe?.. just wait the launching day and my word will come true!!
jom beli waja pas tu ramai-rami gi kedai ah beng mod jadik evo. ummmpppp ah bengnya aku
My personal opinion, the new Lancer dont even look good…but its better than the Waja tho…this surely saved Proton a hell lot of money for R&D, Design etc…just purchase more badges and paste on it…wahaha…Current Lancer Owners must really hate Proton now…
As a faithful Proton owner and currently owning Waja (although actually I still can afford to buy higher car prices), I believe the quality of Proton has improved tremendously. I like the driving stability and even my Waja could overtake BMW 3-series (and BMW 5-series when ascending hill). I don’t have much problems. The odd is the fuel gauge where it goes down very fast once the arrow past the middle mark. I may likely to purchase Waja or Perdana in the near future. My main preferance is off course price and Lotus driving. The problem of Proton is the market. If they develop their own model, the cost of R&D could be 25% of the total cost whereas Toyota, the cost of R&D maybe less than 5% (of the sales). As a Malaysian, we should support Proton or other national car makers. I really wish that Proton could launch super luxury model, BMW 5 series like.
A very strange senario is going to happen to current Lancer owner who buy their car on loan. Their car price is going to drop drastically after the launch of WAJA. Making them not possible to sell their car,,,,,because they need to pay more to top up with the outstanding loan they owe the bank. This is called NEGATIVE EQUITY. This situation happen in Hong Kong properties a few years back.
Example:
Mr Mit bought a Lancer with 7 years 80% loan 2 years back (loan amount RM 96000) He still owe the bank RM 83k today. After WAJA launch assuming at 70k, and his 2 YEARS OLD Lancer price drop to 60k, means he has to pay 23k to the bank when he wanna sell his old Lancer. Madness !
I welcome all comment and my figures are ready to be corrected.
YES..finally after long waiting…I hope Jeremy Clarkson will review to the world this new Waja Lancer what happen to Proton after 25 years of what they call Pride, Passion & Progress.
yeah buddy! I really hope James, Jeremy and Richard give their comment on this pride, passion & progress. Yes sir ree bob. Just like they gave their comment on Savvy (Lotus Technology so they say)
Many comments has been drawn against Proton and for Proton…Why give a damn on something that we have no power over with…Can we control Mitsubishi or Proton to change their mind???…Just bring out the new Proton Lancer and see how it works…Im sure paultan.org is anxious and ready to give some review on this…
Until then, forecasting, slashing, defending, offending etc. wont help…although everyone has their own opinion…there is no need to tell who’s wrong and who’s right…its basic seller and buyer market…they make, we buy…if we dont, then buy something else…
Im no fan of Mitsubishi or Proton…but hey! its all about business…there is no pride or ego or anything…its all about money and survival in the industry…THAT IS IT!!! IT HAS BEEN THIS WAY BEFORE AND IT WILL BE THIS WAY IN THE FUTURE…Talking about pride…What pride???…pride wont generate money, in fact, pride will bring down a company…
Dear Paul , the problems with all Proton’s Car is ” security” . So many Waja’s and Iswara’s stolen . In fact I lost mine too in front of my gate with a paddle lock . Do Proton realize to upgrade the security for the low income people . Or “rakyat Malaysia” buy proton to donate to other people . Can’t we stop for a while and think about this for a moment . We can’t afford to install another security which caused us a few thousand ringgit . Can we get Proton’s comment please for the sake of Rakyat Malaysia . TQ
oh no … my lancer ex ……………
i guess only lancer ex owners will understand my feelings ////
Only pirates like us Malaysians will buy cheap and copycat stuff..that’s why the Government is encouraging things like this to happen….instead of making Proton, copying designs of other car manufacturer..might as well CLOSE DOWN PROTON and make way for other car manufacturers to come in with lower taxes. I can see MALAYSIA will NEVER succeed if this keeps going on…PROTON = COPYCAT! SHAME ON YOU PROTON..!
proton cars tak boleh pakai lah…..frm proton saga untill now they only copying others….i think proton cannot afford a car designer…all malaysian people upgrade our lifestyle and buy a continental cars la…or at least japanese cars….live quality life..
it’s all malaysian mentality. PROTON design all copycat? GEN2 copy what? NEO copy what? but still, when PROTON come out with it’s own design, malaysian will say it looks like shit! not nice! but if mercedes or bmw come out with the same design, im very sure most malaysians will like it. To me, comparing PROTON and PERODUA, in terms of design, PROTON is the only one who is working on new design. PERODUA not at all! PERODUA is the real copy cat!
But i believe everything started due to bad reputation or bad history of PROTON and to regain malaysian trust is not easy
chronics – Yes! Proton should sack the QA Manager & Purchasing Manager in the first place for not doing their job.
Each product should (had) fully tested before release to market, how come after release the product still facing so many issues and mostly repeated case such as Power Window, Door Grip, Sounds etc.
Yes! I agree to regain Malaysia trust is going to take a long way.
I’m wondering if without Proton – we able to get cheaper Foreigner Quality Car (imported or local assembly) – like those staying in Langkawi.
Paul, got another juicy updates of this model? Saw in the star newspaper proton advert. Something exciting is coming end of September. Any information what engine it is? I think campro is really outdated. Need engines like the new altis and ford fiesta… :)
Can’t wait to see this car on road..For me this is just some strategy for proton to keep up in automotive market. Sometimes in business we need to look for profit more than what people will say to us. As long as can make money just do it. It is not illegal and Proton not the first or the only one do the re badge.
If Proton can built a car (of course they can) with their own design but can not make a good sale for it then it is just a waste. Maybe Proton want to have a big capital to built one of the greatest car ever made and this is just a stepping stone for them. Lets give them a chance..
why malaysia car mahal but kualiti low.gen 2,myvi.harga dalam RM50K
but import car mcm honda city,swift,kia baru dlm RM80K.padahal cukai 300%
so.kalau kereta honda city xkena cukai harganya baru dalam RM28K.murah dan kualiti
but gen2 or myvi RM50K.cukai rendah je,harga sebelum cukai RM35K.
…
compare harga dan kualiti
harga sebelum cukai
gen2/persona/myvi=RM35K=low quality
honda city/swift/kia=RM28K=high quality
WHY?
i agree… i want to use national car, a good one… in the end, seeing the price and quality, i go for imported car…
i am proud that we have a car manufacturer, but they didn’t make a difference between them and others…. not to being unique….
either price vice or design….
lancer from Japan, the price only rm33k..compared with the new waja lancer it will be 2x the price and see what is the different of quality,
Take proton as new born baby ..stat with a baby steps..sometimes it felt but it will always try to get up again.new born baby just cant go straight to run but the baby always practise for the process of learning.
Proton did have bad history and like our personal life,once we did mistake,others will always remmember and always judge you by that mistake,never give you a chance.and just simply judge the book by its cover. is that fair???
People that always complining abt proton,MOST of them are just hear from other people story and dont experience by them self.and others that experience by them self should know that proton are impoved the car each new manufacture.dont just judge the past mistake till influence the new manufacture.try to open your mind and your heart to experience your self the improvement.dont just simply judge and dont give a chance to proton.
we should be proud that proton is the only local cars that are trying to go to the nex step on designing on their on.still even the baby steps,their slowly designing minor parts.and soon major n new designing.im sure proton are now have a huge planning to change all people perceptions on their brand. so GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO PROVE THAT THEY CAN!
I know there a lot of people that have lots of ideas on designing cars.so if you think your design are more PERFECT why dont you just contribute the idea and for sure proton will give you royalti and huge income.im sure proton have 1 department that can consider your ideas.
WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF PROTON.ITS OUR BABY,OUR M’SIAN CAR THAT START TO CHANGE .N WE SHOULD SUPPORT =)
LM,
I not agree certain which in your comment.
Who said that we (customer/buyer) simply judge and dont give a chance to proton – Come on, Proton not just a new kid at the corner. is more then 10 years … even Korean car able to catch up (new : design/spect/quality) … is more on how Proton Team do their work … if they really do their part … non of us like to put -ve feedback/comment on Proton.
New bought Saga AT (1 month old) can just stop suddenly in the middle of road, lucky that car from behind didn’t hit … else sure HABIS the driver.
Proton should show quality of their product rather then pretending nothing wrong with their products.
That’s my 2 cents.
Life,
for 25 years, proton is not a baby anymore, its suppose to be a man with a lot of ideas, now is 2010 and soon 2011, the engineers working in proton suppose have the own mission to design a car for malaysian and it should be recognized world wide. But why they just copy and paste again?,
shawn,
That’s a Good question – we need to post up to public for Proton to answer it.
I drove 2 proton cars soo far 1. 1.6ltr Satria and currently a 1.5ltr Wira.
Body Hardness.
I’ve seen some bad accidents involving Proton cars and i must say it scares the crap out of me. Seeing how the condition of the car is I feel safer driving any continental car(My 1st car was a Volvo 240GL). It would be better if Proton can focus on the safety issue for a better driving pleasure.
Parts Reliabilty
I fell in love with my Satria 1.6GL after i got it from my sister. 96/97 model. Really reliable IMO. My best friend when i was living in the east coast traveling back to KL. Never once broke down on me. It somehow shows me syptoms of breaking down before it actually breaks down. Soo i know what to do right before problems occur. Althought the power window seems to be the common annoying problem of Proton
Im sure they are aware of that. Dont know if they will do anything about it tho. Pls do.
Cheaper maintenance
Working with a low income salary i cant afford to buy expensive replacement parts and luckily Proton parts are replaceable with Mitsubishi parts. My dad drives a Merc and the expenses on a Merc in comparison with my Proton, I’d still be smiling if i have to Overhaul my proton than my dad’s Mercedes
2.0L Turbo ?.. when??
2.0L turbo + 4WD + LSD + lotus handling + = nyum2x.. i like
If u have money just buy your dream car. If u love to critic your national car… Just go out stay in other country.
Malaysian,
Learn from Mistake … Improve it … Accept critic/comments so that can Step Higher …
Luckly, I didn’t go to lancer, it is dissapointment to see it goes this way…
There is no way I’m gonna drive that…
I’m gonna get something like… Persona, or… Toyota MR2. A Mazda RX-7 or a Nissan Skyline R32 would be nice… (yep, I am dead serious…)
Seriously, get the real thing. If you cannot afford the real thing, get something practical. If you cannot have a Lancer Evolution X, so be it. Do not buy a copycat. That is so lame.
Somehow I imagine that the next Perdana will be Lamborghini copycat. Let’s just hope that it will NOT be one…
this is a trial
what proton-mitsubishi is doing is a norm all around the world. car makers share platforms and re-badge each other cars to reduce cost and time for product development while completing their range of vehicles. i won’t elaborate more as many have explained before and please look up ‘rebadge and platform sharing’ on uncle google.
whether you like it or not, i`m gonna have my lancer soon ! i don`t care if its a rebadge, you dont like how it comes out ? MODIFIES ! you gotta spend extra to get the best dude ! you prefer something nice and the best at 70k rate? why don`t you go and complaint at ferrari to drop down their price also. As far as i know, Proton is doing the best they can. Don`t you think they don`t wanna be the best. As bad as you want the best, the badder they wanna build it. Just hang on there, they will have something soon. But at the time being, good job.
apa la weiiii not only proton collaboration with mitsui…other company oso do same things..,dodge oso use lancer platform for their cars, Porsche oso use lotus technology…proton and lotus oso do chasis and suspension setting for other company….this trend is normal la now….apa mau malu…. toyota oso collaboration with perodua to do MYVI….myvi design by malaysian eng and japs…we not copy them…they do it together…u can ask any person in this industry if wanna know more…ayoooooo…
It is not collaboration ( do it together ) on proton side they only produce d badge.
ok la..jimat utk kos… yg penting kerajaan bg bonus utk 2010…huhuhuh
The foundation of a car company’s brand rests on their ability to produce high quality vehicles, and the re-selling another company’s products effectively tells the consumer: “we’re incompetent so we’re going to sell you someone else’s cars”
Tak kisahlah kalau proton nak rebadge kereta lain, tapi apa yang saya sangat kesal ialah harga kereta dipasaran kita yang boleh dikatakan unreasonable, kadar cukai yang sangat tinggi telah menyekat pilihan kita untuk mendapatkan kereta yang baik dan berkualiti. Cuba bayangkan 1/3 pendapatan isi rumah dibelanjakan untuk mendapatkan sebuah kenderaan dan keadaan ini telah membebankan rakyat seperti saya. Kenapa kita mesti melindungi pasaran kereta tempatan dengan cara membebankan pembeli. Adakah ini yang kita harapkan daripada kelahiran Proton?
Sepatutnya kelahiran proton dapat memberi saingan kepada kereta luar supaya rakyat dapat menikamati kereta yang lebih murah dan berkualiti tapi apa yang terjadi hari ini adalah sebaliknya, kita terpaksa menerima harga pasaran kereta yang agak tinggi demi memastikan proton terus dapat bersaing. Rakyat yang terpaksa berkorban untuk Proton.
Bila berkata seperti ini, ramai juga akan kata kita anti proton tapi itu terserah pada penilian masing-masing, bagi saya sebagai rakyat Malaysia saya bangga Malaysia mempunyai pengeluar kereta seperti Proton tapi dalam masa yang sama saya sebagai pengguna kesal kerana kewujudan proton tidak banyak membantu rakyat berpendapatan rendah seperti saya mendapatkan kenderaan yang baik dan berkualiti pada harga yang sepatutnya.
Sekadar memberi pandangan
jalijali,
I FULLY Agree … ya lor should be local car with reasonable price mar … kot kot … price so high …
Harap Pagar … Pagar Makan Padi …
proton dah makin ok apa…bkn ok sepenuhnye tpi makin ok…
1)ni bkn copy ke tiru ke tpi rebadge
marketing strategi iaitu proton jual lancer mitsu n mitsu jual persona proton(contoh pasaran mitsu di india)..dua2 company dpt cut cos…dpt kuarkn model dlm masa singkat…sume company pn buat la benda ni…kalo benda ni xbgs xda la rata2 company buat
2)development utk campro bkn ditinggalkan tpi msh diteruskan(sekarang campro diguna pakai oleh company keta china)proton dpt untung gak2…
3)kalo kita x sokong cmne proton nk tmbh maju
4)model lancer based proton ni pasti handling lagi kaw dri lancer mitsu(lotus handling)
5)sementara proton tgh r n d utk model bru model ni kita rebadge kira dpt la mengisi kekosongan waja yg x berganti2 modelnye…
6)negara kita kn negara membangun bkn cm brand2 keta luar yg kebanyakan dari negara maju(so sabarla)
7)teknologi cps adalah sama ngn teknologi porsche(cuma sisi porsche besar je kot)pasal lotus kita punya….cps 2 ada kacuk ngn lotus punye teknologi…lotus plak jual teknologi yg sama yg dorg develop pada porsche…(tpi model keta lotus bnyk gune enjin toyota cuma teknologi enjin 2 dorg ejas)…hmmm camner 2?
kesimpulannye…dlm menghadapi pasaran global skrg kita haruslah bekerjasama kerana iti langkah yg bijak…
8)aku dgr tooling utk model waja bru ni dah sampai kt tmpt servis proton sume n production line pn dah ready so maknanye x lama lg la2…
9)enjin sama cm lancer skrg tpi gearbox cvt 2 adalah invacs2 bkn invacs3 yg kt lancer skrg
10)mitsu plak akan bwk masuk lancer hatch pada ujung taun 2010
bang lancer hatch dah ada kat malaysia….info tak tepat la…..wonder all of ur info tu betul
Prefer Korea cars than this thing!70K+ for this thing?OMG!
I’m aiming for the 2011 Accent … see can get good deal with it (Price/Spect) :)
I just make a count for u guys who want to pucharse a new waja.
Mitsubishi lancer 2.0 (MIVEC & CVT Gearbox)
Price RM124.000
downpayment RM12’400
balance RM111’600 X 3.3% = RM3682.8 X 9 = RM33’145.2 + RM111’600 = RM144’745.2 } 108 = RM1340 per month
Honda Civic 1.8 (i VTEC)
Price RM113’000
downpayment RM11’300
balance RM101’700 X 3.3% = RM3356.1 X 9 = RM30’204.5 + RM101’700 = 131’904.5 } 108 = RM1221 per month
Proton waja 1.8 or 2.0 (Campro & rojak gearbox)
Price RM85’000
downpayment RM8’500
balance RM76’500 X 4.3%(Proton or Perodua interest rate is higher than others)=RM3289.5 X 9 = RM29’605.5 + RM76’500 =RM106’105.5 } 108 =RM982
MITSUBISHI LANCER (Downpayment different RM3900 & everymonth different RM358)
HONDA CIVIC (Downpayment different RM2800 & everymonth different RM239
)
U pay almost RM1000 per month do u still want to drive a PROTON (Local pruduct + lousy quality + low second hand value)
If u still prefer the WAJA then just go ahead but u will regret as the price u pay.
(Ya,its a LANCER looks but no matter how u change the bumber or logo it is still a PROTON WAJA) Good lucks proton supporter.
ye ker lancer hatch dh ada kt sni…xpenah nmpk pn…lgpn mitsu malaysia x official launch model ni kt sni lg…yg ko nmpk 2 mgkn import oleh agen lain kot tpi yg aku ckp 2 yg akn dijual sdiri oleh mitsu malaysia…
to all penyokong proton…dlu toyota buat keta naik bukit pn keta dia boleh reverse blik tpi org jepun tetap beli dn sokong dorg…jadi mari kita pn sokong barang kita…aku akui quality mmg lousy tpi ini bkn pasl design x gne ke apa…tpi sebab proton punya parts supplier x jaga kualiti parts dorg n proton pn bangang pg luluskan jgk…yg salah org atas proton yg luluskn parts ni bkn jurutera proton tau thank u
Jangan bising-bising maa…..
Senang cerita…….ada duit banyak…………beli kereta mahal.
Takdak duit ………beli murah punya………..fikir macam mana nak caari duit banyak2, bila dah banyak……semua kereta boleh beli dari yang murah hingga yang paling mahal.
Sebab komen-komen diatas semua dari yang tak berduit.
Tak payah korang lah, aku kalau banyak duit, tak main kereta bawah 100,000.00 punya.
Nak tanya dad, tepuk dulu.
So..esok nak soft launch sape-sape ada lancer 2.0 boleh bwk sekali buat compare..hi..hi sama ke tak??
Before anyone blindly bashes Proton or any local car company (yes, that includes Perodua & Naza), I wish to remind all Paultan visitors to stop for a while & reevaluate whether you REALLY understand about car manufacturing & selling or only know about the car?
Do you know how much it costs to develop a car from scratch?
Do you know how many manhours are needed to develop the capability to develop a car?
Do you know how many designs get scrapped before one design finally gets to the manufacturing stage?
People here like to compare Proton with Honda, Toyota, even Merc & BMW. These companies have been designing cars for how long ? Proton how long? Why no one compares Proton with Skoda, or Citroen or something like that? Or China cars? Compare apples with apples lah. Even Kia also got a major boost from Hyundai in the early days. You think Mitsubishi will easily give away their designs which they spent millions to develop? Only people really working in Proton, Naza & Perodua will understand this. For all the Proton bashing, has it occurred to you that Perodua still does not have an original model on the road? Have you ever wondered why? Why we don’t even hear about Perodua’s plan to develop a home-grown design? Learn the truth by listening to the people working in these companies, they will tell you the REAL inside story about what happens & learn the sorry truth about why even after all the so-called tech transfer by Japanese & other companies (not only in automobile, but manufacturing in general) we are still unable to develop our own designs for many things !
No doubt, Proton still has a long, long way to go before people start choosing them over a foreign car, but think about it. If we are forever buying other makes, yet bash proton, what motivation is there for Proton to improve? Where are they even going to get the funds to develop a new model? Have faith in the present Proton management. They are making inroads now, it’s just a matter of time before the come out with another gem like the Exora.
Finally, what’s wrong with rebadging? It makes perfect economic sense !
The Quality Guy,
U r saying some company ” buying big hat but their head wasn’t that big enough to fit into it ” ?
Wish I agree – He! He! He!
@The Quality Guy,
Don’t u think proton have sold more than a million of their models… they manage to sell more expensive than imported car.. don’t u get it…? how much the profit… should i tell u about how much imported car tax and how much proton tax? wasn’t that clear that they just want to capture and conquer low and mid range malaysian… why should they build a good car.. while they can sell bad car at good price… do we have any oice for RM50K other than proton… or produa…? wasn’t that clear we r buying RM15K or less at RM50K…?
I agreed that Proton Cars of late are very good in handling, I owe a Honda city i-vtec since July 2010, but I switched with my wife’s Proton savvy for everyday travel, for the feel and enjoyment of driving. We drove mine only to travel back to our hometown. As per my wife “more Klass”. I prefer savvy for one because it’s ours not bank’s, and since it’s five yearsold last July I don’t spend much other than the normal scheduled maintenance and still wounder others say that it high on maintenance cost ? But as usual you have to love you car, give some time on weekends to open the front hood and peek-in. I am not pro or cons against any auto makers, just to share. For those who love driving the views might differ from those who view “klass”. The upcoming model, well I might give a spin, who knows I get a green light ?
ps.She never surf autos forum I’m safe.
shafri ,
Since your wife no surf into auto forum … Give me her contact no. so that we can inform her that U got “target” … He! He! He! – JK ya :)
manyak mahal maaa…80k-90k itu inspira.baik wa angkat city or vios.
pydaa,
Yap – Agree … Kalau kat 60-70K ok jugak .. no 80K lor .. Angkat Hyundai Accent 2011 lagi baik …
ok.good but why proton dont have new idea to product to replaced old model and copy design 100 % from japan car such mitsubshi lancer gt model. my suggestion do home works first before do.ok.
Why say waja replacement… just say we stop produce waja ma… wasn’t that clear. why sell at 79K above… wasn’t the tax r not 300%?… if i buy lancer gt that approximately cost around RM40K the ginuine price before taxed… i can get that kind of quality… for inspira… don’t u think its a big margin over there for proton that has much less tax than imported car. i can say 50-60K is fair price… at 90K for inspira… well i think everybody should look for japanese car… for me i prefer to get a used nissan silvia S15 at RM 80-90K… or used altezza @ 70-80K.. used honda civic FD… even though they are used… but there are still perform much2 better than new inspira.. don’t u believe me? get ur inspira to beat (used) S15 or Altezza or FD…see what can it be..
Do you think the selling of proton inspira will be bad??
Proton will not earn any profit rather than loss?
I think the are well equipped with the answer..
do you think all the proton basher that are not supportive will kick their ass down?
look at now, in 10 days they have received 11000 bookings of proton inspira..
there are many relevance thinkers than the people that only hold the stigma from proton bad car’s quality history.
Go proton, i will support our national car manufacturer as you moving forward!
I believe that some of your response will be proton is moving backward as they rebadging the Lancer.. :-P
…designer sakit kepala wat scatching nih….supportnya tidak…
bos, dengar khaba 600 unit pertama version 2.0 yang harga rm96k tu 100% import dr jepun..semua specs sama je nga lancer..
cuma yang berkenaan ngan proton je psg cni cam grill, bumper, stereng..
pastu dengar khaba semua komponen adalah import termasuk casis..betul ke???
ntah laa..
so proton pasang je la???
Model ini elok juga dijadikan sbg kereta peronda lebuhraya PDRM…sama mcm Evo 10 dan elok juga Inspira digunakan sbg kenderaan rasmi kerajaan menggantikan model Perdana tu