UPDATE: Read our first impression Proton Exora Bold Test Drive Review!
The refreshed Proton Exora has been the most talked about car of late, with spyshots, unmasked units being transported and leaked brochures all out in the open. With this as background, Proton has finally released official details of the facelifted MPV, confirming much of the details we already know.
The long-awaited Campro Charge Fuel Efficiency (CFE) engine powers the Exora Bold Premium and the range-topping Exora Prime. This CFE engine puts out 138 hp at 5,000 rpm and 205 Nm of torque from 2,000 to 4,000 rpm from 1.6 litres. Paired to a CVT gearbox, top speed is 185 km/h and 0-100 km/h is done in 13.3 seconds. Claimed fuel consumption is 7.8 litres per 100 km.
As our eagle-eyed Anthony spotted, the CFE isn’t just a Campro with a turbo bolted on. The stroke of the engine has been shortened from 88 mm to 86 mm, resulting in a smaller displacement of 1,561 cc vs the Campro CPS’ 1,597 cc.
“Boosted with the more efficient 1.6L engine, customers will experience powerful performance which is comparable to a 2.0L engine, with much lower fuel consumption. The additional power kicks in to provide more pulling power when accelerating or overtaking. In short, it’s what you can aptly describe as a ‘pay-as-you-go’ engine, which gives you more ‘vroom’ for every litre of petrol used,” says Proton Group MD Datuk Seri Syed Zainal Abidin.
Besides the two CFE+CVT variants, the Exora is also being offered in Bold Executive trim (1.6L Campro CPS with manual or torque converter auto) and non-Bold Standard trim, which is only available as a manual.
Spec-wise, the Bold Premium CVT gets leather seats, a leather-wrapped steering, front fog lamps, rear spoiler, electric foldable wing mirrors, cruise control and reverse camera with rear view mirror LCD. The latter is similar to the system seen in the Kia Forte 6-Speed.
What then is the Exora Prime, you ask. The Prime is the highest spec Exora, sitting above the Bold range. It’s a six-seater with the centre row made up of two Captain Seats. On top of all the Bold Premium features, the Prime gets walnut finishing on the centre panel, gear panel bezel and air con vents (all these are in a sportier “liquid silver” finish in the Bold Premium), metallic beige door switch covers and inner door handles. Also included are head rest monitors and satellite navigation.
On the outside, the Prime is set apart by 16-inch gold-finished alloys and a new Absolute Brown colour. Take note that the featured images here are of the Bold Premium, NOT the Prime.
There will be a “Proton 4 U Day” from December 16-18 (this weekend) at all Proton sales outlets nationwide, with door gifts for those who test drive the Exora Bold. The Exora Prime however, will not be available for test drive, and can only be viewed at selected Crystal Showrooms in Juru (Penang), Plentong (Johor) and Mutiara Damansara (PJ).
Last but not least, prices. Proton has officially released a tentative OTR price list, where the 1.6 Standard MT retails for RM59,998, the Bold 1.6 Executive MT for RM70,998, the Bold 1.6 Executive AT for RM74,998 and the Bold 1.6 Premium CVT for RM79,998. The Exora Prime is priced at RM88,998.
Click here to view the high res official brochure with full specifications.
Proton Exora Bold Premium
Proton Exora Prime
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Exora 1.6 standard MT CPS-RM 59998.
Exora Bold 1.6 executive MT CPS– RM 70998
Exora bold 1.6 executive AT CPS– RM 74998
Exora bold 1.6 premium CFE CVT– RM 79998
Exora Prime 1.6 premium -RM 88998
WOW almost RM90k for the Prime? And it is 1.6? No thanks.
Terpulang nak beli atau tak nak,no one is forcing you…
Polo 1.2 = RM113,888.
And its only 1.2….
Terpulanglah nak beli atau tak nak
no one is forcing you…
Proton Exora 1.6CFE:
1.6L 138hp 205Nm 4592x1809x1691mm RM79k??
Toyota Innova:
2.0L 136ps 182Nm 4580x1770x1755mm RM102k(AT)
Nissan Grand Livina:
1.8L 126ps 174Nm 4420x1690x1590mm RM99k
1.6L 105ps 150Nm 4420x1690x1590mm RM90k
Chery Eastar
2.0L 134hp 185Nm 4662x1820x1590mm Rm86k(Leather)
Exora CFE will provide a better “real world” fuel consumption compared to CPS. The figures at constant speed do not involve any acceleration or braking thus not representing the “real world” situation.
In real world, you need to rev the CPS engine more in daily traffic to move the MPV due to lack of low end torque. The CPS system is designed to give more power at high rev so at low rev, the engine struggles to move the weight of the car. People tend to rev the CPS engine because of this and this hurts the fuel consumption.
CFE on the other hand, addresses this issue with a very high torque right from 2000 RPM. Coupled with the CVT gearbox, the CFE engine will improve the fuel consumption greatly in daily usage where you are constantly accelerating and braking. If you know how to keep a constant low RPM, CVT will help a lot in term of fuel consumption compared to Exora CPS
U potong salesman ke?
Keep copy and paste into each exora related post. :/
Every Exora CFE related post there will be someone who said that the engine will be a fuel guzzler but as an engineer who understand how engines work, I can not bear the misinformation written by someone else.
The best technology so far is Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive but currently the system is not perfected yet. It is amazing to understand what they can do with the planetary gear system, if they perfected the system, the fuel saving will be higher than what they currently have.
Further more, engine efficiency varies with load & RPM so the way you drive plays a big role in the consumption. If you read on the latest BMW 320d EfficientDynamics, BMW claims that you will get optimum consumption if you drive according to the fitted “Eco” indicator. This includes using proper throttle application, right timing for gear change, less braking & etc.
I agree that the Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive is the best technology so far. However, it is still far from perfect because that technology is pricey and it is not fail-safe either – when the HSD malfunctions, then surely die lah. The only fail-safe mechanism is when the Prius runs out of petrol, where the EV mode will still have enough juice to go to petrol station.
Mazda new engine Skyactiv and iStop is the non-hybrid technology but big improvement on on fuel comsumption.
Actually I agree what you said, just that I can’t bear tat you c&p each post.
I do not agree on Toyota’s system is the best. It’s all TurboDiesel, full electric for me (or hydrogen fuel based tech, but that seems far away). Electric motors are wonderful things, they offer near to 0 fuel consumption when they are idle and max torque from 0 rpm while the T system still needs to combine power from both engine and battery. Of coz price maybe the issue last time but now it is not anymore. Instead, they chose to milk it until it dries. I hope they move on to the next stage of full electric (even with range extender, which runs at realistic optimal scenario to generate the electricity) sooner or later.
Ignoring Toyota’s discussion, P1 needs to bring the torque in at 1600rpm on the next revision. Hope it doesnt end up like the 308 Turbo Pug. (Which coincidentally, the boost starts at 2000rpm)
C&P is alright, but not the until the stage that does not pin points to the questions or critics that you want to reply to. It annoys ppl, trust me, i m an engineer too. :)
There is a reason why I said that HSD is the best system. The system is truly a “hybrid” system. If the system is perfected, it can change at will from a full internal combustion propulsion to a full electric propulsion just like a range extender.
They can further improve the engine with efficient diesel technology or SkyActiv like technology and they can also upgrade the electric system with a better system. At the same time, they can also run the engine only at the optimum working range if they want to with the HSD system.
If every single part of the system is optimized, the cost would be very high, that’s why they did not make everything perfect yet. HSD is a true combination of both internal combustion & electric propulsion.
Further advancement in internal combustion technology is good but it still can’t recover back the energy lost during braking. Advancement in EV system is also good but EV still has the range & charging issues. Since HSD is a combination of both internal combustion & EV system, HSD will benefit from further advancement in both direction.
what is potong? are you stupid it’s proton you dumb! even GT-R fanboy know that! huh!
Potong = P1, all basher or none basher knows that. I am amazed that you didn’t know that. Wow… Are you sure you are old enough to use the net?
i dont know oso i only know ice cream potong
Name… u sudah potong?
When single driver drive Exora, serve them right for high consumption, who ask them to move around with 7 seater car!
good info…
average joes are clueless when talk about HP and Torque… let alone the HP
all they know, turbo is power, instantly will compare to Evos, Subarus and the likes…
many can’t differentiate between HP and Torque… they’ll just read the HP figure and say it is just average…
Hence HP win talks, Torque win races.
ngko bila proton boast pasal hp ko ckp hp wins the talk…
kalu proton boast pasal torque misti ko ckp torque wins the talk
blah la ko!
gi buatt kete sindri!
hahaha……… what about Naza/Kia Citra/Caren and Citra II/Rondo 2.0 RM60K++ to RM90K++? And also some other brands and models fall within this category or price?
It doesn’t matter what engine the engineers have designed, nothing is perfect and so does the engine. Is all about improving such as minimize the loses and maximize the output. There is reason why engines are paired with add on such as turbo, supercharger, manifold enhancement, varies of injection, etc and types of transmission, etc. And the lists goes on and on.
Having Turbo or CVT to the engine has it pros and cons, so does others systems/add on. Nothing is perfect, is more of a trend, market, demand, improvement and etc.
If an engineer is very experience, will said and think differently. Driving behavior is only part of it to help to minimize the fuel consumption. Fuel efficiency is all from the engine itself, and on what “type of vehicles” was applied. Everything has it limits. Turbo maybe a fuel guzzler depends on how it was applied. So it won’t be surprised that a lot of engineers see differently. That’s the reason many types of new engines were produced and usually with improvements.
Most of the mechanical and automotive engineers do understand how an engine works. so why a frust? ahahaha………………….
OMG…MAHALnya…
agreed, its the diesel like quality of huge torque at low rev…albeit a 1.6 diesel diesel will have around 300nm at those rev and slightly lower FC
go to sc often for servicing the cfe , tin milo mpv
ikut specs exora cps fc 7.4 l jee tapi yg ni 7.8 l, jadi angka 7.8 l lebih economik?syed zainal boleh jelaskan?
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oops,correction
it’s “Fuel” not “Feul”
Brochure is wrong?
and you still saying Bold Premium CVT CFE,7.8 l/100km.
betul la apa nono cakap.
EXOR-A fanboy.
To Miskin Malaysian:
Sorry,the fuel consumption is unchange but the accelerate do change btw i’m not EXOR-A fanboy!!!
For your information i own GT-R R35 and saga fl why i want to be EXOR-A fanboy?
if you dont belive me thats not my problem,peace!
To Miskin Malaysian:
Sorry,the fuel consumption is unchange but the accelerate do change btw i’m not EXOR-A fanboy!!!
For your information i own GT-R R35 and saga fl and why i want to be EXOR-A fanboy?
if you dont belive me thats not my problem,peace!
almost 90k for 1.6? it is not 1.6N/A , it its CFE . you get an engine almost matching 2.0N/A engine. you wont complaint for Golf TSI engine priced hugely and engine with 1.4 right?
one more thing VW car are global car,dont compare VW car with this exora.
global car should be cheaper.. cost/volume?
if he can buy a gtr,so 100k VW is cheap for him.
at least no body complain bout the stering wheel rite……….
the pug’s 308 “1.6” turbo is selling at 115K….n it sits only 5…oh no….
bro… give some constructive comments la….
dude..please higlight this..
“Boosted with the more efficient 1.6L engine, customers will experience powerful performance which is comparable to a 2.0L engine, with much lower fuel consumption. ”
the conslusion is..
1. this 1.6 same like 2.0L engine but u only pay 1.6L roadtax..
2. this 1.6 same like 2.0L engine but you only pay 1.6L fuel consumption.
so..why bother the price.
nice compare…..
Thx god without the fake and cheap wood is much better and nicer :)
Fugly fake wood panel…these could set back potential prime customers. Y don’t they choose “safe colours” like piano black or titanium silver. Fake wood panel is just not everyone’s cup of tea.
Modern engine+gearbox but Outdated interior!
Top of the spec close to RM90,000…P1 & P2 same same..over priced for a national car…..exploiting the ‘umbrella protection’….
better specs will be sold overseas at a lower price i assume…
Expensive for a tax free, subsidised car..minus 20k then consider about market value
WTF dude… All cars in Malaysia are predisposed to tax even Proton and Perodua. Get your facts right before giving comments.
Yes u hve to pay excise duty which is at a discounted rate, then t he gvt
provides grant to proton then non national cars are taxed heavily
So they would b more expensive…might as well consider it worse than tax free
why rubbish like Toyota Vios J can sell for 70k? Basically kerata-kosong.
Because there will be idiots who will fall for “Toyota badge”. Even with so called higher tax rate that car is no where near 70k in value.
Non Malaysian car makers just WANT you to believe that they have super high tax just as an excuse to charge u more for cheap shit.
last time i bought a new proton, the invoice stated how much tax being paid by me… so no tax free for me … where do you bought without tax?? 2nd hand maybe..
When did P1 and P2 got tax free? OMG… they don’t have imported tax only laaa…
Check this website on tax calculation…
http://www.customs.gov.my/documents/Bahagian%20CD/Customs%20Guidelines%20Book-Excise.pdf
Sesuatu yang segar daripada PROTON. Tahniah!!! Proton seharusnya mengeluarkan model baharu yg mampu menarik minta golongan pertengahan dengan harga yg tidak terlalu mahal (Kurang daripada RM70K). Model baharu Persona R bila pulak nak dikeluarkan????
mcm mana proton nk maju bila semua org pakat mintak kereta murah.. bila kereta murah xda kualiti, marahkan proton balik.. sepatutnya korg marahkan vendor2 yg buat part2 yg x berkualiti..
Macamana malaysia nk maju kalau hutang beli kereta sampai 9 tahun atau lebih dan kereta quality akan lingkup sebelum lima tahun? jadi kalau proton nk maju kan lebih baik letak harga 200k, naik kan cukai jenama lain dan buat loan sampai 20tahun? macamana nk maju kalau hidup dalam tempurung?tk berani berlawan dengan harga yang betul?
Kenapa dengan policy yg sama hampir 30tahun proton masih nyawa2 ikan?
Vendor siapa yg pilih?
if vendors supply no good part to p1, who fault is tt?? ever heard of incoming qc inspection?? who the hell appoint these low-class vendors at first place??
in p2 their quality ppl is much stronger than prod ppl.. they willing to stop prod line and reduce output rather than let defected parts install in their cars just to get the required delivery output..
it is so obvious in difference between p1 & p2 quality culture.. :(
Delphi is one of the vendors appointed but they have a problem to meet P1 tight budget. The comparison of price is up to 1000%. Thats 10X of product real cost supplied by vendor with the price you pay.
mahal bukan sebab kualiti tapi sebab cukai yang tak sepatutnya…..
nak murah? sebenarnya kos kereta murah, tapi kos tax yg jadi mahal. kereta import murah tapi jadi mahal pasal tax, tak usah cakap pasal quality. mmg hapeh. ni semua ada udang dalam batu, buat alasan patriotism, sebenarnya nak untung sendiri….
Walao eh…..89K for this piece of 1.6 junk??????
Perodua also produces RM90k car… NaughtyCar.
Exora Prime is still cheaper than Nautica… RM88,998 vs RM89,900, about RM900 cheaper.
and the NaughtyCar has been discontinued just after 1 year from launch here, because Toyota brought the REAL version wearing Toyota badge, Rush :)
u so funny.
nautical is made in japan. a real 4×4.
rush is 7 seater. made in indon. hence the price difference.
i just bought the most expensive proton 2.0P, so dont argue with me. i’m not fanboy or basher.
proton sold rm90k over inspira and exora prime and sellable
but perodua sold nautica RM90k.. nobody wanna buy and discontinue within a year
prrrrtfhhhh
This is just my opinion regard this new model.
I believe the turbo is a bold on turbo(low power turbo < 0.4 bar). Just test drive. Got power.
But the spec didn't write out the compression ration and turbo compression bar (even no bar meter), turbo's timer or computer. I didn't heart any valve sound. So I believe it is a bold on low power turbo.
I believe the extra price is for CVT gear box and bold on turbo.
But I not a car engineer or expert just a lay man opinion. Actually I prefer super charger (if the purpose is for improve oil consumption).
This is a family MPV 7 seater man, why need boost meter and turbo timer? downsizing engines with turbos are to meet better emission and achieve flat torque curve from low rpm. Turbo timers are yesteryears tech. Nowadays radiator pump will continue to circulate coolant after engine is turned off if needed.
For the sake of everyone’s safety, I hope no one goes and chip it up or bolt on a bigger turbo to increase the boost and drive around racing with evos and imprezas. Especially not with 6 other passengers on board.
it’s ‘bolt’ on turbo, not ‘bold’ on turbo…
i love it.good proton.keep moving forward
Boleh stop pasal spec n lain lain tak kejap.. nak tanya tuan tanah…
Exora 1.6 standard MT CPS-RM 59998.
Exora Bold 1.6 executive MT CPS– RM 70998
Exora bold 1.6 executive AT CPS– RM 74998
Exora bold 1.6 premium CFE CVT– RM 79998
Exora Prime 1.6 premium -RM 88998
boleh bagi maklumat lebih berkenaan bayaran bulanan (max) n berapa downpayment…
aku tak tahu pasal kereta, jadi aku tak nak campur kalau pasal enjin dll…
yang aku nampak, dalaman dia tu dah sesuai dengan citarasa aku…
Waiting eagerly for launching and test drive.
awesome shit !
Prime 1.6 Premium : RM88,998
Bold 1.6 Premium CVT : RM79,998
Bold 1.6 Executive MT : RM70,998
1.6 Standard MT : RM59,998
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsbusiness.php?id=634552
interesting.. powerful.. congratz Proton!
FIRST!!!1!!1
agreed
u’re the first person that made me hit dislike button
first fool in this topic!!
maybe first time…silly la u…
to date, he got 258 dislike.
this is really FIRST!
Thanks for the good laugh. U made my day…
anyone who buys an MPV in this segment other than Exora is stupid.
Avanza you’re going down! Eastar too! Livina, hmmm. Exora has the most specs & techs than them :)
please lah, if you want to puji Exora, go ahead. but don’t call non-purchasers stupid.
there are other factors (brand loyalty, service centre quality, other incentives, etc) that influence a decision to buy any particular car.
agreed. Like it buy it. hate it ignore it.. there’s thousand reason people buying import car and local car.
emm…yes it’s finally sth worth buying for now for P1, but i’m still doubtful of its quality.
Ko lagi stupid…kalau xder tax protection satu keturunan ko pun x beli proton……baru pakai proton dah bodoh sombong…..
now i know why u buying exora… u cant afford to buy others because u too stupid .. cant get a better job to afford japs n europeans.. there are many other factors determined before buying a car.. not HP and NM…. idiot…
Avanza do not need to replace timing Belt, anfd it is VVTI engine,
Does Exora have to replace Timing Belt every 80,000km ?
I am no engineer but I think ancient lorry never have any belt or chain to replace because they use timing gear. That does not means those lorry are more advanced than Avanza. AFAIK, the decision to use either gear or chain or belt has nothing to do with how modern is the engine but rather more to do with noise and vibration. If you don’t mind noise, use timing gear like those ancient lorry.
for your information Campro CFE have VVT too and the real acceleration 0-100km/h is 11.3s not 13.3s dont confuse.
Saudara EXORA MAJU, apa maksud anda dengan Livina mmm? Adakah anda tidak pasti akan kelebihannya. Sudah tentu sebab Grand Livina lah MPV sekelas Exora yang terbaik. Saya cadangkan anda pergi ke Nissan dan pandu uji sendiri, saya pasti anda akan terpesona dan puas hati dengan persembahannya. Kalau mampu lagi, belilah Grand Livina Impul 1.8. Anda pasti akan lupa kepada Exora. Saya boleh jamin sebab saya sendiri memandu kereta tersebut. Sekian terima kasih, selamat maju jaya kepada semua dan belilah kenderaan anda mengikut keupayaan.
EXORA MAJU
mmg exora baru ni byk improvement…
enjin, CVT, GPS, reverse camera n len2…
tp x perlulah ckp org bli kete len bodoh….
bgus sgt ke exora klu nk banding dgn mpv len??
sbb torque die plg tggi??
jgn tgk peformance enjin je, stability, handling, braking, 2 sume kne tgk…..
aku x ckp mne2 mpv lg bgus or pling bgus….
2 sume terpulang kpd citarasa msing2…..
pape pun good job proton….
keep improving…..
1- kita patut bangga kerana msia ada kereta sendiri yg memboleh kn org yg kurang berkemampuan memiliki kereta sendiri.Di asia cuma msia,japan,korea and china..je yg produce kereta sendiri…(x silap saya lah) lain2 negara asia x ada..
2- nak gado2 compare price or kereta apa lg bagus .. korang dapat share ke dari company tu dgn promote product??? for me its a matter of purchasing power… u got xtra money.. beli lah mengikut selera… if u hav no money.. beli mengikut kemampuan.. kemampuan here bukan setakat BELI… kena fikir tentang servis dan lain2..
3- jadi penguna/pembeli yg bijak… dgn gaji saya seorang saya mampu beli kereta 150k++… but i choose to use my kenari(sudah 9 tahun-still in good condition-siapa kata xde quality lepas 5 tahun???).. n now looking forward for exora bold premium… 1st- support barang msia 2nd- saya x tergamak nk bayar beribu sebulan hanya utk memuaskn mata org memandang… as long selesa,maintenance murah,spare part senang cari… but again terpulang ..citarasa masing2… but jgn condemned barang buatan msai… jika teruk sgt quality nya..xde lah org beli..or xde lah negara lain import barang kita kn… kalau x suka …x payah puji ttp jgn pula menhina…berdiam lebih baik..dari berkata2… sama lah macam spouse… di mata saya mungkin ur spouse x cantik/handsome atau nampak x ‘sedap’.. but for u itu yg terbaik…x de yg baik dari itu… :)
Sbb ada kereta sendirilah kereta2 kat malaysia the most expensive in the world..gara2 nk protect proton,duti import kereta2 luar naik 200%..supaya kereta proton nmpak termurah = kualiti yg juga murah.
saudara sudah memandu exora bold 1.6 cfe ini?
I agree with those who by WISH, Stream, Lavina whatever is stupid you pay for name and the seller say buyer stupid at the back. If you really have brain think. I sell many car I know everything. Tq
Sad to see people who paid a large sum of money to buy re-cond MPV. If someone who talked about tax protection & etc. bought a re-cond car, I hope they are aware that the actual price of the car is only 1/3 of the listed price, another 1/3 goes into import duty and the last 1/3 goes into the dealer’s pocket.
OMG…mature a bit…dont call ppl stupid. Every ppl have their right to buy their favourite car. Not only ur Exora is the BEST….i would rather to see what Jeremy clarkson comment on this car…hahaha.
Interesting, and powerful. Congratz Proton~ :)
Good price
At last!! turbocharged Exora is here!!! i mean Proton…and at least improve a bit of styling
dunno what to say but this mpv almost tick all the boxes..
huge space, decent trim(could be nicer at the 1st place), lotus handling dna, more than enough power and most importantly the price seems right!
Yet Alza will still outsell this Exora.
would agree..but alza is on different segment than exora..both vehicle have their own specific target
Comparing alza vs exora sales just like avanza vs innova sales.. Pls use ur brain
Alza is a subcompact MPV while Exora is a compact MPV. Two different segment. If you want to compare something to Exora, then you should compare with Toyota Innova, Naza / Kia Rondo or even Honda Stream and Toyota Wish.
but still will break here break there. same as lotus, break here break there. What is not new?
the exora bold premium is worth it. My dad bought the 1st batch exora High Line at RM76k..additional 4k, u get a CFE engine and CVT gearbox and many more accessories…
I really wanna see the Prime “wood” so badly. hope it’s okay unlike the one we saw earlier.
Haa! This one 5008 pun kalah by a long shot…
Exora Bold has 138 hp and 205 Nm. 5008 has an 18 hp with 240 Nm. It might sounds close enough but the 5008 also comes with 6 airbags (which I believe the Exora has lesser), heads-up display, Hill Start Assist, traction control, and the awesome bit, a panaromic roof. On top of that, it has 5-star EURO NCAP rating, advanced on-board computer on its multi-function display, and being European, an excellent continental ride. Really, you are comparing a donkey and a horse here. Too different.
I’m not discrediting Proton here. I must say I’m impressed that Proton finally has a turbocharged engine fitted in their car. I hope Perodua would follow suit, which I think they won’t.
Perodua doesnt need too, it is already selling well. In the low segment, people want a car that doesnt break. period.
do you even notice many perodua car the new one 1-2 year their third brake lamp kaput…
It’s funny… lot of 3-4 years Myvi sudah break sana break sini… longgar sana longgar sini… On a rough road or bumper.. makes lot of rattling noise… And all this while, I thought only Proton built their cars that bad.. Perodua pun sama… haiseh….
There is a reason why Toyota/Daihatsu is not selling the cars under their own brand but under Perodua brand instead and the reason is not to get a lower tax.
Since they already own the P2 facilities, they also can build the cars under they own brand here. Under NAP, eventhough the brand is not P1 or P2, they will still get a lower tax if the production is done locally, however the local production must be greater than just a CKD operation.
Most 3rd row seat of MPV are more for midget or little kids because of lack of legroom. How does the Exora compares with 5008 and the others?
Good spec given by Proton…Still proton needs to improve on the quality especially on the plasticky interior finishings…
cant wait for Exora Curve, Exora Torch, Exora Playcar
Bravo Proton! Bravo!
mengarut la kau…nk jual handphone g tempat lain..
idiot
eh?..go get a life la..
What’s your point dude?
I used to joke Exora’s name with Blackberry models… then I took an arrow in the knee.
STOP WITH THE SKYRIM JOKES!!!!
U MAD BRO? coolface.jpg
They see me kiddin’, they hatin’~
exora or other mpv? thumbs up for exora, down to other
mate, there’s are many mpvs’ around which from rm60k++ to rm100k++. So what is your usage of the mpv? daily use, weekend use, long distance travel, etc? Own a mpv to suit ur lifestyle most. Fuel consumption, repair and regular maintenance, resale value, loan&interest, warranties, etc must be consider.
Most important, own a mpv which give the least problem and least maintenance cost as well as time. Time which you can’t have it back. the best mpv has to be at your convenient.
I own citra 2006 and planning to trade in with Exora CFE. Test drive Exora-CFE, ok. Will this be a good move? I can trade in my Citra for 30k. Just not sure if this is a good move as I have no visibility of maintenance and how true is the FC published for Exore CFE. Just worry that my 2006 Citra will start giving me problem…parts replacement for Citra is expensive. Mounting is wearing off, brake lining also need to go already, just change autolock door for main seat, now another door start making noise…dunno what next.
Any advice?
More Power. More Style. Space is a bonus.
5 star – using good and correct language (all english).
5 star – with turbo power
5 star – interior upgraded and especially exterior really looks BOLD
5 star – space is a bonus as Proton stated.
Myvi lagi best and Myvi lagi power lagi best
no need to say how many stars. but….
1. using mix languages is a thumb down.
2. lagi power lagi best. talk like a racer. bigger engines is always better.
3. exterior looks ALIKE like 1st generation Myvi and just like 1st saga facelifted to
Iswara. the platform and chassis still consider same.
4. space is not a bonus because luggage space even smaller than old myvi.
Sorry, just my personal opinion.
Exora, lets see how you perform side by side with Grand Livina, Innova or even with stream and rush….
Poor guy, can’t differentiate between compact car and MPV. Go back to school please.
he’s commenting on the tagline dude…
cynical : tagline tagline. Go back to school please.
He’s comparing cars based on tagline, and you’re okay with it? You’re just as dumb as he is.
P1 WIMAX basher?
curious to see how it performs against the NGL1.8. Although the NGL has is less powerful but its smaller and lighter.if space is a minor concern, which between these two will be better?
Just test drive few hour a go, sempat cecah 170 kmh in straight route, belum abis tekan lagi, very good performance for 1.6 mpv, thank for my sporting salesman…
So fast speed..!!! But stable or not when cornering..? Hope to try it out also.. Great..
bro you talking about proton on stability on cornering..of course they are one of the best with their lotus dna
My personal opinion (my deciding factor whether to buy or not):
Exterior:
1. Exterior not bad. Quite like it! Except the smiling grille (but that’s just me).
Interior:
1. Look at that dashboard. LOOK AT IT. That looks so pale, so old, so ugly. Looks really boring. It seems like they only care for the essential parts of the car (AC, audio, etc) but not the looks of it. Did i mentioned the word ugly? Oh God that is so 2000. And ugly.
2. Oh God the logo at the steering wheel is just a SCULPTED PLASTIC??? Why can’t they do it like other brands of cars? Put the ‘real’ logo ie the exterior logo, with the same material, with the exact same thing instead! God that is really, really ugly and stupid. That’s one of the things that i will put my eyes on whenever i’m in the car u know! And i want to look at the nice ‘real’ logo of Proton when i’m driving one. Not just sculpted plastic -____-
Well until they fix these 2 interior problems, only then i will consider buying it (i’m not flaming or hating Proton, just hope that they will do better and thinking in common sense). Peace.
Yup…20 over years…haven’t they learn something?
not toyota rush… i mean Wish… hehehe
nice move from proton…
i dont know why Proton always over enhance the photos…
BTW congrats on this one Proton!! nicely done!! Cant wait for the P3-21A to come out… hopefully there will be a Satria Neo fl with CFE and 6 speed CVT…
CFE on neo will be orsm but just leave that cvt thing to proton’s mpv or sedan only, dont want to see it on neo
I’m also hoping of a new NEO with CFE + 6-speed manual transmission!
Proton maybe not producing CFE for neo BUT i heard internal rumors(still in discussing) neo will produce with CPS supercharger in limited unit..damn! i really hope the discussion end with good result..can’t wait for superb power + superb handling.. cheers..
From the pictures alone, you could tell that the fit and finish have improved, surprisingly, the body panel gaps, is thinner, hence making the car looks its price and capable.
I’d see one in showrooms ,not to get one right now, but , to look forward to proton’s future products
what a pleasant surprise! good pricing.. damn.. but i’m not in need of MPV at the moment.. but still waiting for p3-21A..
I hope they will maintain this momentum with good pricing & well eqipped (sufficient) such as this!
With this improvement, why banks still offer higher car loan interest rates for Proton?
Either the banks still not convinced with Proton quality or still think most Proton buyers are categorised high-risk defaulters?
Seriously this stupid discrimination by banks must stop.
So what a rich towkey wife(low-risk borrower la…) wanna buy Proton, then the bank lower the interest rates?
But if honest salaryman never miss loan repayment, shouldn’t he deserve zero interest when buying Toyota?
How about those criminal, gangsters wife, siblings, goons these crooks must be slapped with 50 percent loan rates served them right!
It’s enough with unfair NAP car prices, no need the banks to be prejudice on car brands and certain types of people anymore.
Local car brands should get lower car loan rates(not higher) to offset the crazy taxes duties.
Great stuffs with what Proton done now but the banks, haihhh, seems like all these Proton improvements doesn’t lower down the loan rates.
I agree with this interest rate nonsense.
I bought a foreign-brand car in 2007 and still paying for it (2.48% for 8 years). So far so good, never missed a payment with Public Bank.
So if I want to buy an additional car such as the Exora Bold now (of course once I submit the documents the banks would know I can definitely afford it), don’t you think I deserve a low interest rate as well? Why must I settle for anything over 3%, I know I don’t fall into the high-risk category anyway.
i got my car 80k plus local car, for interest rate less than 2.8%, so quit complaining
I plan to get one of these BOLD… pls, tell me which bank?
why it called bold?.. bold is botak right?..
Bald lah baru botak bukannya bold
botak is bald my firend..not bold
U failed English ka? Bold and bald also cannot tell apart?
bold = brave
keh keh kehh…. Nk terguling-guling aku baca.. Xpe anak2.. Botak is bald not bold.
Good thing no cheap wood interior trim as seen in the previous spy-shot.
0-100 in 13sec? still slow for turbocharged engine..but the pulling power from 2k rpm seems good.
Apara, Exora bukan untuk racing la nak laju macam Lotus evora.
tayah nk sinis sgt la fan boy. generally semua tau 13sec tu slow. x kesah la kereta mane..nk plak turbo.
Hilux pun turbo jugak…
Scania dengan Man pun turbo gak…. 18 speed lagi..
then u wan wat? 3 sec?if u want that figure , this is da wrong place 4 u dude
Most of the time, century sprints quoted by car makers are slightly inaccurate. Usually you can achieve slightly better 0-100km/h timing in real world conditions. 13.3 seconds looks slow on paper, but you must also consider how heavy the vehicle is, especially the range topper with all the gadgets and electronics included.
no prime pictures?
If our car duty tax structure based on engine emission and fuel efficiency test (rather than flat rate engine capacity), Exora would be way cheaper than it is now.
Below 1800cc said if not mistaken MITI charged zero percent import duty, excise duty 30 percent and sales tax 10 percent.
Now if that excise duty based on emission and efficiency tests (maybe conducted by JPJ), Exora easily score lowest duty rate among all other MPVs around.
In U.S. the NHTSA put CAFE sticker to indicate fuel consumption and efficiency rates in each new car and it’s mandatory by law.
Basically not only a legal reference for car buyers but for banks, insurance companies to fix their rates based on these informations just how clean and effcient that car is.
The better, cleaner, efficient the car the more prospect for more new purchase and lower road tax, insurance premiums etc.
Logically, the best car deserve the best price. Exora price should be just fine if using new car duty system. I speculate cheaper RM10K-20K than current price now!
Lepas ni lorong kanan PLUS Exora punya la ^_^
Thinking of getting the PRIME and sell-off my Avanza 1.3(M) 2007. It’s about time..:)
Good work PROTON!!
nice one..leh mintak proton pasang camera reverse tu kat Persona aku tak?
I love proton.good job..this will definitly bring up proton image to mesian people who keep bashing proton..WELL DONE
people will still find reasons to bash Proton……
88988, that’s a very good price…
what’s the interest rate for new exora?.
interior ok but i do not like the mid of the steering wheel…awful jugak…slack skit…kalau tak…nice…..
Exora bold 1.6 premium CFE + CVT 0-100km need 13sec ? i expected around 11sec, a small dispointed. anyway price is acceptable.
Hang nk bawak anak bini hang racing ke bro? apesal mentality org Malaysia semua spec keta mesti jd keta lumba?? kalau MPV nk bawak family..cukup2lah accelation as a family car..nnt muntah ko anak bini hang.. baik letak enjin SCANIA 480 terus!! tkpun enjin GM B747!
no wonder Malaysia got high rates of road accidents.. cehh
So it turns out the previous fuel consumption of 8.3l/100km from the brochure is not true at all. Any more basher wan’t to comment of typo error (again)? Haha…
Well done Proton!!
nice accessory and equip with good package, but why not launch all the new thing in a new model rather than existing line-up?
new model = need more $$$ to develop
existing line-up = need less $$$ to develop, basic dah ade, so save cost
nah! to the person who argued with me saying he saw the prototype zooming very fast and BS me when i said ‘i think’ the 0-100kmh will be no less than 12s that just enough to restore exora to the COMMON MPV performance from LORRY performance and will still be difficult even to defeat savvy, you read carefully, the 0-100kmh is 13.3s!!!!!!
It is just a Family MPV, not a Performance/ Sport car….
3008 and 5008 also a family mpv. but i like i sed before..the good part is the power come as early as 2k rpm.
that’s EXACTLY my point!
Takde sape pulak nak cakap pasal ‘power’ and torque tin kosong Avanza.
0-100 km/h is done in 13.3 seconds? Hmmf…
bro, 13sec for 138hp with 1433kg of kerb weight tu dah ok la….. Klu ikutkan power to weight ratio tgal 96.3hp/tonne je…..
the price is competitive, still in the range of ‘affordable’…nice…
kudos p1
Wah.. Proton really listen to take off the fake wooden trim… Yeah..now more nice.. Good.. Sure better sales.. Love it.
Macam pernah dengar je ….
“Wah , lucky I didn’t book the other car”
Are you still in Proton A&P?
ppl who never drive real Japanese car may easily conned by perodua…prrrtfhhh
In Japan ur ori passo, sette and mira bought by ah soos to carry their dog…prrrtfhh
in malaysia.. ahy beng japs wannabe who cant affod real Japs car will buy perodua and say.. hey i got japs tech ooo
pity poor mal;aysian
out of topic la stupid.dulu suka bash pasal rebadge,inspira rebadge langsung tak muncul komen.ptuih!
That trim for prime larrr…. Mato bukak!
the wood is really ugly man…what the hell… n also what is the problem with proton press pics? y so much contrast?? WEIRD!
Thanks god !!! The hopeless wood trim are gone ……
Blink….. Opps it’s in the Prime…
Worth to test drive.
Going this weekend.
nice, but… don’t they have any interior color other than grey?
Protong? Never ever again. Gave me enough nightmares already.
old pll with his old saga, waja and gen2 story..
prrrtfhhh
my neo never give me single problem. already clock 19330 (2006 model, wpk) this morning .. used mobil1 after first 3free service
sorry miss 1zero, 193300
U r so lucky bro. My 2006 neo already clocking 145k have a list of problems since beginning until now. From faulty absorber, replacement of the entire dashboard meter, faulty power steering system to recently major engine oil leak (hv to do top overhaul). My aircond fan is possessed (i.e turn on by itself, don’t want to shut down despite the dial is on off) and that problem hv been plaguing me since i bought the car until now. Hv already complained many times to SC whilst under warranty until now not fixed. anyway, i have face the fact that the aircond fan can never be fixed and i lived with it………so you are so lucky bro and i got a lemon car :(
Went & check out the car just Now ….. The Real thing ( Interior ) is better looking than the Pic… The Brown Leather on the Seat is nicer / darker , not as in Picture ……
The Car Pick up really impressive for such a Car / Mpv its size …..
Nice job Proton. U have a very good product here, please make sure ur service department improves too.
Especially at COE Shah Alam. Haven’t solve my BLM problem until now…
unfortunately, this is Malaysia. This is not a unique problem for Proton. You go search around in forums and you’ll find that even Kia, ford, peugeot, and even VW have problems.
Some comments on Exora Prime
4pieces of wooden trim doesn’t make Prime like a real PRIME….All black door trim/garnish (yes, with some chromed parts) with all black leather seat will make a real feel of driving a luxury cars/MPVs…
Oh yes, the red parts on leather seat make Exora Prime looks like a racing mpv….
From the outside there is almost no different between CFE n Prime lineup, the only different i could noticed just a chromed ring on the fog lamp….
But average, this new line of Exora is something i can be proud of…. 1st MALAYSIAN CARS WITH FORCED INDUCTION MAAA!!!
No auto climate, No GPS, NO Xenon, No electric seat….
Taiwan made Luxgen MPV 100x better than Exora!
any additional order sir?
when Proton dun have turbo..u wanted turbo….
when Proton dun have rear disc brake, u wanted rear disc brake….
when Proton dun giv LED, u wanted LED
when Proton dun give bigger tyre, u wanted bigger tyre…
when Proton dun have LCD, u wanted LCD
when Proton dun have Reverse Camera, u wanted Reverse Camera…..
now Proton give u things that u wanted before..u want more?
juz make it simple…..if u dun like it dun buy and dun even bother to look at it….simple rite?
juz read the name shld be enuff..LUXgen which means LUXURY rite? Exora is for mid class Malaysia…not a luxury car. if Proton give u all that u wanted but with higher price u will say Proton is too expensive…….end up, u r nt going to buy it…juz wanted to find way to bash Proton……
I don’t trust campro engine. i drive a satria neo 2006 auto and engine sucks big time. always struggle to accelerate. For a 1.6L engine, always struggle to chase and keep up with a 1.5L vios, or even a 1.3L myvi, or even my wife’s 1.0L kelisa also my car struggle to catch up. I have to slam the pedal hard, let the car rev like there’s no tomorrow, then only i can feel the torque kicking in and barely catch up with those cars…….
why take old model sample? So why not you judge toyota based on toyota corona and toyota dx problem instead of dugong?
Do you still pakai pampers like your baby or dah boleh kencing dlm tandas?
atau…. ko tak pernah servis keta sejak beli? laa…. bodoh betul
Don’t blame him… it happens to my Nephew’s NEO too.. To climb to Genting Sepah also need to drop to Third gear. Drink fuel like Mad Car. My BLM is even better. We have made lots of complaint at PROTON Service Centre but all they did is just checking the ERROR CODE only. No re-tuning or adjustment at all.
Sorry to say that I always naik Genting Sempah for balik kampung at Pantai Timur, just using at least 4th gear, don’t have to lower the gear unless there is a stubborn car or a stupid driver’syok sendiri’ on the right lane.
It’s all about driving skill. Don’t just blame the engine.
I owned manual BLM 1.6 and with about 300kg load, my car can still go uphill at 5th gear at 80km\h. I’ve tested his car Neo Manual 1.6 and it’s difficult to catchup with the power and I have to ramp up the engine to get to the power to go through uphill.
I’m comparing the same Campro 1.6 but the only difference is My BLM uses IAFM with 4 direct coil hance Neo using non-IAFM non-CPS with twin sharing plug coil. (This engine is only fitted on NEO 1.6 B-line)
neo_77 and my Nephew are among the unlucky person to get the problematic unit. But the biggest problem is with Proton SC personnel who is not professional enough to help Proton Car Owners to overcome thier problems. This is the nightmare that most owner have when dealing with Proton.
Like what I said before, when you have a problem with you car, it can be fixed either by Proton or Ah beng shop. When it comes to attitude, I’ve come accross the stupidest Proton Chief Mechanic at COE Shah Alam who don’t know how to ease car owner but making them Angrier with lame excuses WITHOUT even look into the real problem.
terbaik bro. Panas telinga member. heee
Relax guys, this is my own experience driving my neo. Service wise memang x pernah miss hantar kat proton, so don’t make silly and blunt judgment. I’ve read a lot about neo and the engine with all the numbers, specs, calculation etc, but it is meaningless to me sebab my neo campro engine memang xde power at low RPM. What’s the point of torque kicking in at high RPM? The car is only good speeding on highways, i’m not a racer nak bawak 150kph and above. What the engine lacks is torque at low RPM to negotiate city driving i.e accelerating from stop at traffic light, entering a roundabout, overtaking, climb up hill etc….. My car xde power unless i slam the pedal and let it roar until 4000k rpm, baru rasa torque kicks in. Xde maknanya if while i am waiting at the roundabout and see an opportunity to enter, then my car terkial-kial nak gerak sebab xde torque. Silap hari bulah kena slam dari belakang. No doubt the car have great cornering but city driving is very dissapointing most of the time. Terkial-kial……Thats what i meant by cannot catchup with the other cars……..Anyway, i’m scrapping the car soon and getting a new car, but not a campro engine car, not a proton.
try using denso iridium spark plug
That is what they call the torque dip, the original Campro has this problem but PROTON already rectified this with the IAFM system.
I’m not sure with that. My uncle drives an Exora with campro cps, he says the car have no power. Small engine on a big body. My uncle said exora should have a 1.8L powerplant instead. I’m quiet surprise because my impression is that cps is better than the ori engine (that’s what i hv been reading on forums, blogs etc…) So whats the point with all this IAFM systems, cps, better spec, so called improvement and so on, when at the end of the day is how you feel when you drive the car.
maybe ur uncle can testdrive this BOLD exora. 1.6L powerplant soft-turbo’ed to give 2.0L-like performance.
remember, it’s ‘like’ , cant expect to have a pickup like 2.0L NA. gonna need for the turbo to spool-up too…
aiyoh…
cps is better than plain campro..engine-wise.
but pls add the chassis weight.
how about 3.0L honda accord engine installed to a 10tonne lorry.
got power or not? ;)
joke only, but u’ll get my idea.
my auntie and long2 lost cousin said their exora can tapau a ferrari on a lorry…my friend of my long2 best friend whose uncle is his friend of a friend said exora is too powerful he prefer 800cc engine…..it’s true u know
They put CPS in place of the original Campro in Neo because the original Campro has the torque dip issue. They also did the same thing with Gen.2. For Persona, they put IAFM instead but still the purpose is to eliminate the torque dip in the original Campro.
Exora on the other hand is a big car but the CPS is the most powerful engine they have at that time so they have no other choice. They know the engine is too small for the MPV so that is why they develop the CFE and put into Exora now.
bro, please calculate powerTOweight ratio… plus need to see the powerband curve of cps engine compare kelisa n other cars.
Check the torque curve of your non cps campro and compare it against this cfe. It is entirely different beast.
i drive a vios and i have a hard time keeping up with a saga on the highway.. just my 2 cents.. :)
try checking if your handbrake still on bro, just my 0.2 kupang.
U are so damn pathetic….I have 2007 neo 1.6 manual without any mods….drove from kuala kedah to Malacca within 4 and half hours….it’s not the car….it’s the driver….campro maybe a bit slow on 1st and 2nd gear but 3rd onwards flies like a wind…..btw my exora full weight also can outrun vios anytime ( on highway that is) ;)
Bro, no doubt neo can be very fast on highways, but i’m not a racer to drive at highspeed on the highways all the time. What is important is to negotiate city driving. U said 1st, 2nd is slow, how do you negotiate city traffic if the car is sluggish?
maybe u go and service ur car but at ah beng’s workshop la….thts y ur car got no power….
1.6 cannot catch with 1.0? thts sound really weird…really weird…maybe got big fat ghost in ur car thts y it cannot catch kelisa….go and find any sharman to heal ur car dude….
good conditon car come as good oil, oil treatment, good gear oil, good p.maintenence
just my 2 cent
gelak terguling2 aku bc komen ko.haha
front and rear disc break seams bigger…what about rear suspension?..is it still utilize torsion beam or multilink?…
Oh nooo….bad news guys… the wooden centre console trim really exist Exora Prime :( ….
Apelaa Proton, the one in Bold oredi nice… aiyooo…
No prob.. Kedai abang sure have solution for it huhu
Prime variant: the 2nd row captain seats may not be comfortable to sit on, something is missing?
0 to 100 kmh in 13 second is good enough for the vehicle carry 7 people on board. Stick to other segment for better acceleration.
did they test it with 7 ppl onboard? ;)
probably 20 sec with 7 ppl onboard:P
this is a MPV…which means to carry a FAMILY….not to rempit…..
if u want good 0 – 100 why dun u buy the new Lambo…..only 2.6sec 0 – 100
I dubbed the new Exora as Guy Fawkes (V for vandetta). The smiling face…. Blacked it, put lowered Tien suspension and slapped with gun metal color rim, 17/18inch with 45series Pirelli. Now who’s your daddy..
nice dude… i like what u thinking…
thinking of replacing my Nissan Latio with this one … :D
obviously ur lying. hard to catch up even with 1.0 kelisa? or ur wife has much more skill to drive than u loser
The truth is, there are few cases of underpowered and Fuel Guzzler Neo 1.6, but nothing much the owner can do. My Nephew’s Neo also have the same problem. Still unsolved by PROTON Edar Service Centre.
Common story.. My nephew la.. My neighbour la.. Prrrfftthhh
This is not a hearsay, I myself tested that Neo and bring it to Proton CC. They didnt solve the problem.
my first batch neo is so good to me. No major problem so far in 6 year. Just battery bulbs and tyres need to be change.
the tricks is proper maintenance on oils change and respect the car.
Bro, when i’m driving by neo and my wife is driving her kelisa in the city, she’s always a few cars in front of me after the traffic light turn from red to green. That means her kelisa accelerate faster than me. in order for me to catch up, i have to press my pedal harder, getting RPM more that 3000K, my engine roars like hell then my car slowly creeping to her. My petrol become lesser very quickly. That’s what i mean by not able to catch up.
Yup.. that is the standard campro…, sucks below 4000rpm. That is why CFE has superb torque from 2000rpm-4000rpm. Proton has listened to customer’s complain.
Prime get that stupid faux wood???? come on!! no imagination…..
waited to buy… but sorry Proton..maybe next time when u fire all your interior designers…
That wooden trim will be matched if exora have a all black interior……Plus make the wooden darker….. Now exora prime got same interior like 1997 Perdana SEi…..
Now I got it…… the dinosaur who designed a 1997 interior has come back and haunt us….. no wonder the Prime look so 90’s…..
Please someone go hunt and bury him. In a few million years we can use him as fuel.
“Take note that the featured images here are of the Bold Premium, NOT the Prime.” – Ayat pun dah kata image di atas bukan Exora Prime bro….. baca betul2…
OMG i cant wait for p3-21A to launch!! :D
Reduced engine stroke from 88mm to 86mm but still maintain with 10:1 compression ratio? what for?
I really wanna know max boost gain by the turbocharger….. Normal turbos engine run with 9.0-9.5:1 to run with 0.8bar of boost…. So what about this CFE?
CFE compression ratio is 9.5:1
Bro, i refer here
paultan.org/2011/12/15/proton-exora-bold-brochure-scans-reveal-all/ex-bold-40001/
So which data sheet gave u CFE comp ratio 9.5:1?
Bro, i got from here
paultan.org/2011/12/15/proton-exora-bold-brochure-scans-reveal-all/ex-bold-40001/
So which data sheet gave u 9.5:1 as CFE comp ratio? tq
bro there was a typing error in the broncher,i think he get that figure at proton edar or wikipedia,at their all figure are true.
The CFE compression ratio is 9.5:1 and the max boost pressure is 0.7 bar. No intercooler for this CFE engine. That’s why the power increase is obviously smaller than those aftermarket turbos which got intercooler and higher boost pressure, and yet the performance is already better than standard 1.8L engines with the tourque higher than 2.0L engines.
this cfe also got intercooler on the lhs fr bumper…
Really? If what you say is true, then it’s a little bit disappointing for me because if CFE has an intercooler then more horsepower should be able to be tapped from CFE. The ah beng-made turbo Exora normally can get somewhere around 150 bhp depends on the setup. Twincharger can be a lot crazier, because the figure around 150 bhp can be easily made by a 1.4L engine (plus turbocharger and supercharger).
Perodua Alza…SAOPEI LA!!!!
VROOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
okay this is the FIRST TIME i’ve seen an mpv w captain/pilot seat on the 2nd row with a levelled floor!!!how weird!!!and the seats looks really thin!!oh my god~
wish 2.0z jdm tu lama dah ader … survey next time, jgn komen kosong jer
the highest spec impress me with all those multimedia(its a must hav these day, help alot during jam) but why just middle got wood trim…how bout the armrest so weird…well overall nice car..
Sebagai seorang penumpang(2nd-row) saya amat teruja untuk duduk diatas kerusi pilot setelah lama duk berkongsi…
engine proton, engine.
a 1.4 turbocharged campro or whatever u wanna call cud be very handy at these times of climate
this over reliant on campro must stop sooner
this cfe is a factory turbocharge job. and we all know outside oso can do tcharge
but of course factory fitted tcharge is bounded with warranties so it must be good.
so proton comes good and pak syed walked his talk about forced inductions, more modern appealing models
i hope u people can be more thankful and appreciate what proton is doing and please no more mindless bashing
kudos pak syed and the team
the only constructive comments wud be the interior and please no more than 2-3 variants of the facelifted exora
the work for next edition exora must start now. satiria neo replacement start now.
that global model, cfe is a must
does anyone knows what is the interest rate for this model? need to calculate monthly installment.. demn tempted to trade in my myvi :)
Question:
Is this CFE engine a CPS+turbo or regular CAMPRO + turbo?
CamPro + Turbo, although the CamPro in CFE is slightly different where the stroke has been reduced by 2mm
correction it Campro IAFM + VVT + Turbo
Avanza and Alza ur days are numbered. Rilli impressed by p1’s improvements over the years!
does anyone knows the interest rate for this model? thanks..
Mahal, fuel consumption figures always never accurate and will surely b higher..should off been direct inj tbo like prince engine..for the price, not worth
it’ll never be accurate if u push this exora like ferrari……
always shld have been this..shld have been that….
this time they have give almost ething that u u bashers asked before but still no satisfied…
then dun buy la….juz ignore it…..
since when buying a car is worth the money? it’ll depreciate.
but better to get a new car then buying recond/2nd hand car which is not wanted in its country of origin…..
Proton wants to be succesfull? must b up to date with the latest,you want to b sucessfull? stop excepting below par tech and make reasons to exept it..must demand for the best in order to b at least at par..guess you never own a tbo car before
not really below par tech la bro. tell me what is really below par tech in this exora? come on. dont just generally make statements la. give sources. come on, bro. bagi cepat
While most manufacturers are going downsize tbo with dire took years to build an old skool low press tbo with no variable valve timing, no ncap rating,only dual airbag,no stability control,dated design..thats enuff saidd
how are they suppose to compete?
With all those goodies you mentioned, are you/ other malaysian willing to fork out another 20k for that? Then, later you say better top up another 20k for xx brand.
DAMM why they release that wood trimming on the prime, otherwise it would’ve been perfect
i hope that trimming can be stripped off, i rather DIY with some panels with other colour or the 1 from the premium cvt
have to agree with u on this….
a big mistake done by Proton..everything is almost perfect.but the wood trimmings is a turn of….
The wood trim looks better in real life than in the photos. Just saw it this morning.
maybe they shld do it this way…
whoever wants the wood trimmings..they can choose it as an option without extra $$.
coz as we know different people have different way of looking at things……
Exactly! A MAJOR TURN-OFF!
let’s see the real one first instead of only on picture…
this cfe has vvt on intake side and its euro 4 n 5 compliant. On paper,it is not fast, but if u do a non quantitative comparison on acceleration between myvi lg POWER lg BEST 1.5 auto on real life, u will know the result. So those driving 1.5 auto myvi, eventhough it has extreme name, dont cucuk2 cfe exora, not only because of dangering lives, but also dangering urself being smoke by nearly 1.5 tonne mpv :-)..for manual myvi LPLB se@extreme, u can try out,but remember,if u cannot shift fast enough, u will also be smoke by this gabak mpv coz this gabak mpv comes with cvt(no shifting required), but if exora bold owner shift from D mode to L mode, be prepared to be smoked by them :-).
Pug 5008 is a better mpv, no doubt about it. The only thing i doubt diffrent info on fc n performance of msian spec 5008 with uk specs.
In uk, basic spec 120 hp na vti (WITHOUT rear pwr window n only solid white color, manual 5 speed) cost u on the road mrrp price 18145 pound@rm89641, fc 9.5L/100km urban, mixed 7L/100km, century sprint 12.3 scnd. For thp 156 (solid white,manual 6 speed,WITH rear pwr window) cost u 20645 pound@rm101991, fc 9.9L/100km urban, mixed 7.3L/100km, century sprint 9.7 scnd.
The best part,if want to change to metalic paint, u need to add 440p pound@rm2174. If not,everybody buy 5008 have to bear have only 1 color that is white.
The fc,century sprint was done by manual cog, not auto as we get here in malaysia, so basically a bit slower in century sprint n a little high in fc. If u read the reviews in uk, the published fc really hard to achieve, really need to add 0.5L to 1 L to figure given. The price is without exorbitant tax in malaysia.
So, basically, i think bold for 79k price n prime for 88k (with heavy tax even for national car) is actually cheaper than pug 5008 that doubt as whatcar best mpv 2010.
If make comparison in term of price, exora bold premier still cheaper (interm of price versus equipment) compare to 5008, but nevertheless,5008, still one of the best mpv out there with the price tag given.
Now, for 3008,i keep it short. By the way,actually interm of dimension,exora sits in between of 3008 n 5008.
Being smaller, thp156 3008 cost rm97084, still one color white, no rear pwr windows. But still far better standard safety equipments minus many accessories. Fc the same as 5008, sprint better than 5008. Manual cog, not as auto in malaysia..
Still not added the insurance yet, all prices without insurance n little tax.
So,conclusion, exora bold premium n prime is not bad at all in term of performance, fc, price n equipment. They do a commendable job. Yup,it is still far if compare with one of the best mpv on the world such 3008@5008, but not that far. Atleast, it is on par or better than any japanese mpv in the same price tag, same segment out there n in malaysia. Remember, exora already has been named as best mpv in thailand n indonesia beating all the odd n japans counterpart, now its time for bold to shines n leave them a little bit futher than before. Peace yo.
how to compare with peugeot bro? this is really too far for u to compare to that 5008…really..
that peugeout has full panaromic sunroof, massive bout electronics…i think 4 zone air con….countless airbags…countless safety acronmys like TCS n so on..better proper 6 speed gearbox, more powerful engine…just because exora has a CFE u said this exora is on par?
exora does not even have demister man…for its front windscreen. even saga does not have this….suprisingly my savvy had…. n now my neo also has auto air con..weird a 80k car dont have..n u compare it with a 5008?
“Atleast, it is on par or better than any japanese mpv in the same price tag, same segment out there n in malaysia.”
WTF this idiot talking thrash, take this Jaguh Kampong shitty Exora to Japan, then by your crap statement, compare it with Toyota Wish, Honda Stream, etc which is in the same price tag, same segment out there n in Japan!
Being brainless blind supporters, as usual would attack everything and anything blindly.
Hey moron..the giy gave a constructive view…and to a large extent irs true the exora is better than the generoc japanese mpvs in the market..avanza,inova and even can challenge the llivina..he did not compare to wish and stream moron as these are not common mpvs in the malaysian market..please use ur brain befoore calling other people stupid u asshole.
You are the Moron of lowest class! He give craps and bullshiting, yet you treat is as holy true? What an idiot and mindless stupid blind supporter, below posting are comments come with evidents to prove Mr. Mad lies thru his teeth.
Please use your brain! or you are brainless? Or Mad rempit stole your brain last night? Enough said.
“The best part,if want to change to metalic paint, u need to add 440p pound@rm2174. If not,everybody buy 5008 have to bear have only 1 color that is white.”
Where is the proof or provide evident that UK 5008 only has white colour? Being maddest of mad stupid cybertrooper, or P1 salesman, try to bulldoze thru and to deceive the public at large by feeding FALSE information and at all time telling lies!
See link below: –
http://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/peugeot/peugeot_5008/category_7025.jhtml
5008 FACTS & FIGURES and the TRUE quote,
The Peugeot 5008 is available in a wide range of colours; White, Silver, Grey, Black, Red, Blue and paints; Metallic paint, Solid paint and Pearlescent paint.
mad craps – 3008 – “Being smaller, thp156 3008 cost rm97084, still one color white
http://www.peugeot.co.uk/vehicles/peugeot-car-range/peugeot-3008/build-price/
FACT – Go to the above link and count how many colour available for 3008!
Another MAD crap: –
If make comparison in term of price, exora bold premier still cheaper (interm of price versus equipment) compare to 5008
By the same link above,
5008 – Official combined fuel economy figures give a low of 38.7mpg and a high of 57.7mpg. The lowest Co2 is 125g/km
Another link,
http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Peugeot-5008-2.0-HDi-150-Sport/243879/
5008 Specs & equipments
All models will get seven seats, and the basic spec will include ESP stability control, an electric parking brake with ‘hill hold’, low rolling resistance tyres (on 16in to 18in wheels) and air conditioning.
There are five power options: two are 1.6-litre petrol engines (120bhp with a five-speed gearbox and a 150bhp turbo with a six-speed).
Three are diesels: a 1.6-litre, 110bhp HDi with either six-speed manual or six-speed clutchless semi-autos; and a 2.0-litre turbodiesel with either 150 or 163bhp,
And the mother of all lies by this mad cybertrooper is: –
FALSE
“By the way,actually interm of dimension,exora sits in between of 3008 n 5008.”
FACTS
3008 – Its overall length of 4.365 metres and wheelbase of 2.613m
5008 – Its overall length of 4.5 metres and wheelbase of 2.73m
Exora – overall length is 4,592 mm and wheelbase of 2,730 mm
Hello, Mr. Mad, what else you want to craps and BS?
Hei, stupid idiot, 3008 and/or 5008 have 1.6 petrol, 1.6 diesel and 2.0 petrol engines options, all are Euro 5 complied. Do Cam-Tak-Pro achieve this?
do Alza,Livina,Innova,Avanza achieve this?
mr expat,thats why i said u r stupid, read everything i post first. Lazy to read, even pug brochure. I downloaded the brochure. I said one color option for the price mentioned. The other colors are avalable but its an option n u have to pay more than rm 2k to have that. Read, read n read. There are many options available, i just take the sample of petrol engine coz exora bold using petrol engine, why need to compare with diesel option?
The figure L/100km also stated in the brochure, dont use mpg since in msia we use L/100km.
I never mentioned exora bold on par with pug 3008/5008, read carefully, i mentioned exora is still far behind it.
R u saying 6 speed auto is better than cvt? If u caunted power loss of an auto around 15 to 20 percent due to torque converter n shifting, cvt is better option cause the power loss is nearly as manual n no@power loss causes by shifting.
I only compare exora bold with its class, i never mentioned wish@stream, u can google urself which japs exora is in when they tested it in thailand n even indonesia.
U r kind of people that lazy to read, pug sell product based on options, not everything is standard, and they have package also, from access, active, sr, allure n etc. Each have diff accessories, diff options. Only certain are common n price also diff.
There are alot of options for u to choose and all come with price.
People like u who never learn to read properly@actually dont understand what u read. People like u also easy to con coz really stupid, never read the terms n conditions applied.
Read, read n read, dont be lazy n stupid. Even u cannot understand what what written down on the pug brochure showing of how low ur language n understanding knowledge.
When i said exora sits between 3008 n 5008 in size, have u look at its overall dimension, its including length, width, height n wheelbase. Not length n wheel base only.
Stupid la u ni, malas membaca, peksa mesti fail memanjang. Baca pun xpaham.
Who don’t read your lips, you conduct “selective comparison” for a reason best known to you, in which it is apple and orange comparison at best. And try to justify this jaguh kampong product is a “good buy”!
“When i said exora sits between 3008 n 5008 in size, have u look at its overall dimension, its including length, width, height n wheelbase”- Mat
Length : 3008 (4,365 mm), Exora (4,592 mm), 5008 (4,529 mm)
Width : 3008 (1,837 mm), Exora (1,809 mm), 5008 (1,837 mm)
Height : 3008 (1,639 mm), Exora (1,691 mm), 5008 (1,639 mm)
W/base: 3008 (2,613 mm), Exora (2,730 mm), 5008 (2,728 mm)
OK, add one more variable,
Kerb weight: : 3008 (1,425 kg), Exora (1,400 kg), 5008 (1,531 kg)
Based on the above info, non of the dimension shown Exora is sits in between 3008 and 5008, either Exora are less than both (Width), more than both (Length, W/base & Height). Even the kerb weight of Exora is less than both!
Enough said, as you said “READ & READ”, hei “Mahaguru Mat yang amat arif dan paling pandai”, jangan malas membaca lor …. LOL ……… you go and figure out how to justify your statement.
Just to give you some tips, the best way to categorize them is by segmentation. All this 3 models are under C-segment, and considered as “compact MPV”, “small MPV), or the like, as may be published in the manufacturer website (as the case maybe). The “less/more than few mm” in dimension(s) doesn’t make them bigger/smaller as it is still fall within same segment.
Expat. VN,
couldn’t u read, could u?
“The best part,if want to change to metalic paint, u need to add 440p pound@rm2174. If not,everybody buy 5008 have to bear have only 1 color that is white.” _says Mat .
“Where is the proof or provide evident that UK 5008 only has white colour?..bla..bla..bla crap stuff”_ says Expat. VN.
Mat wants us to know that white is std color & u have to pay more for other than white.
Expat. VN misunderstood?
to Expat. VN,
pls add another vocabs. READ & UNDERSTAND.
at 1st place, try to FOCUS.
lol
“The best part,if want to change to metalic paint, u need to add 440p pound@rm2174. If not,everybody buy 5008 have to bear have only 1 color that is white.” – mat
“Mat wants us to know that white is std color & u have to pay more for other than white.” – farghmee
Still want to argue until the cow come home! ok to be fair to all parties, 3008 and 5008 solid colour for “White” (general term) is not accurate, but is “Bianca White” (specific term) is more accurate. To get metallic colours for 5008 (Nera Black, Aluminium Vapor Grey, Shark Grey, Egyptian Blue, Babylon Red and Hickory), the buyer has to pay extra GBP 440.
This is uk presentation which in our Malaysian context is just divided into metallic and non-metallic colours, and come together with the price different.
To say that “white is standard colour”???? Where do you get from? Plug from the sky r farting from your mouth! Peugeot never said “white” is standard colour in their website, but refer to “solid colours” and “metallic colours” + GBP 440 only.
Don’t twist my word and misrepresent Mat’s sentence meaning! Try to be smart, but not so smart after all!
So throw back to you, Farghmee, swallow your own bitter medicine:
pls add another vocabs. READ & UNDERSTAND.
at 1st place, try to FOCUS
Hey expat VN
You live & work in Vietnam ar?
Which part? Hanoi or ho chi Minh?
I think you have been staying in Vietnam too long that’s why your brain become “TEPU” like the vietnamese.
Oh, oh, Dato Seri, you have to come out on your own to become attack dog! Why? your anak buah don’t do a good job?
For anyone bewildered by the rather long winded argument between these two – here’s what they’re arguing about – http://www.peugeot.co.uk/Resources/Content/brochures/technical/peugeot-5008-prices-and-specifications.pdf.
To cut a long story short, in the UK if you want to buy a Peugeot 5008 in any other colour than Bianca White, it costs RM 2K. End of story.
Don’t bother with Expat VN. He is an idiot.
Beware, another wild brainless crap from attack dog!
bro, did ur relatives died in a proton car before? did someone driving a proton accidentally killed ur pet(s)? are you allergic to proton cars? did proton car’s exhaust gas gave u cancer? r u in pain whenever someone buy a proton car?
r u so poor u cant afford to buy a japanese/conti car at the current price plus tax/duties and all that? is that why u keep on complaining about the tax imposed on imported cars? cant afford a bungalow in klang valley coz u have to pay high installment for your Honda Accord 2.0?
nah, if he thinks he’s good, then let him be.
most readers here are mature enuf to think :)
What’s wrong with Expat VN’s counter arguments to prove wrong all those pathetic P1’s cyber-troopers’ typical crap bullshit selective copy & paste comparison in their feeble yet embarrassing effort “glorify” this over-grown baby ?
In all honesty, IF all cyber-troopers can provide FACTUAL and APPROPRIATE COMPARISONS, (IF ONLY yeah, FAT HOPES as we all know), honestly bliv Expat VN will have nothing to comment, yes ?
BUT, if one CONTINUES to CRAP, FART and MAKE SHALLOW COMMENTS, why feel upset/insulted when proven wrong by Expat VN ? It really is PATHETIC especially EVEN WHEN PROVEN WRONG, still dont wanna accept facts, and start childish name calling and asking ppl to leave the country and what not.
P1 troopers, STOP CRAPPING first, then YOU WONT GET INSULTED.
Simple enuff ?
And you’re typical malaysian busy body type.
Just sit back and enjoy the show…
Aiya..only solid white…metallic or pearl white tak ada ka?
luv the price.
bro…dont too greedy….we still dun know the end result rite….so, lets test drive it then we can say something here…good or still the same…
nowadays,people usually buy 1 import car and 1 national car…u want to buy turbo engine car for your second car? Not for me….BUT…..people will buy this for their 1st car…and for the 1st car, they will usually think for import cars….
in terms of quality, proton is improving……i think this technology is not to cover exora small problem, BUT i hope this technology will be in P3-21A soon…haha….looks like muscle-car…
the only car that look nice in wood trimming is “cap bintang”
Gila buruk wood panel tu!… luckly there is BOLD…, PRIME memang ugly.
I love the specs for the bold premium… hope to see it in a crossover chasis (like the proposed lekiu… really waiting for that..!)… hated the plasticky faux wood trims for the prime…
Once again the Dilbert Marketing theory is proven:
“How do you sell a bad product? – Sell it to stupid people!”
Whoohooo! There you go folks! That’s the best trick of all: Selling bad product to fools! Ha Ha Ha!
Even my blind uncle Stevie Ponder can SEE that for RM78K-RM88K you better buy new Avanza or Livina.
“Wanna save money? Never buy a Protongkat” – my wise blind uncle Stevie Ponder always said.
“How do you sell a bad product? – Sell it to stupid people!” – never forget this tips also ya! Ha Ha Ha!
Hahaha when grand livina and avanza has a weaker engine, stupid interior and lesser specs compared to this gooding exora bold cfe.. LOOLL
“Bad mouthed people will be perceived as bad people”-mine
this fella not only bad mouthed, but bad hearted too..
Ajaw: I agree with you since the avanza only sells well in malaysia and indon. They dont even sell this crap in their own country..lol
wow proton coming of age…
gold rims, reverse sensor, captain seats, fake wood inserts…
good pricing too.. lets hope they deliver this time… one last chance perhaps?
i hope alot of people get the new exora because its a good car.
i’m not getting exora, but i hope everyone getting it so 12 months down the road people will realise how sucky proton still is and boycottt potong altogether.. then only then will we get cheaper cars and i will be able to afford my peugeot 5008 :)
sell proton sell!!
Greetings fellow Malaysian. I love the Exora. I have the 1st model and i find it worth it in every way! and now I’m drooling..with all the extra bits proton has put in to the Bold and Prime…i love my exora with all these new bits…and i i know i can get it ah bengs shop..but i dont want to void my warranty..Mr Syed, can u guys come up with a dealership endorsed accessory shop to satisfy my craving ? (the extras in prime and bold) i bet a lot of us the old exora owners would like to have what the new cars have…and pat on the back Mr Syed….well done Captain.. for bringing proton back in the lime light…back in 1986..was 11…a dream come true to own one today ;) Syabas..keep up the good work
Generally the exterior looks updated.The small stuff that should be further trimmed are the wind screen wiper which prefer to install latest ‘frameless’ type instead of cheaper feel of frame type wiper. Also, turbo version should come with bi-exhaust pipe..
As for interior design, the matching of Prime version really feels outdated as this should come with titanium or leather feel of dashboard trimming. The wooden make so cheap of feeling. Personally think that the Bold version feel comfortable. Yet, the logo still insist to put low class plastic where should replace by actual logo to enhance the classy feel. Furthermore, auto climate control in place rather than manual control..
Talking on the power mill, just wana understand more the modification can’t benchmark to PSA Price 1.6T or VW 1.4TSI range in order to really give this rivals a compete…
Just had a look at the Exora Prime & Bold at PROTON COE. The interior feels more premium than Bold and the wood paneling actually looks better with the dark interior than the finishing inside the Bold. The cars look better than what you see in the picture.
WOOWWW!!!!
reasonable price , value for money
if only i could trade in my whitey with that brownie..
overall looks good, but dashboard design need major improvement n better quality coz it is major part inside car. Exora prime dashboard looks outdated la.. for 205 Nm torque & CVT gearbox really excellent improvement!
I recall someone mention about the comparison between CFE with Pug Prince engine (the 156bhp, 240Nm) but I cannot find it again (my bad). so for the purpose of knowledge for all, I read a bit. I found out that the Pug stroke is 77 x 85.8mm (hence the 1598cc), compared to CFE 76 x 86 (hence 1561cc). Perhaps (this is big perhaps, i know), CFE maintain campro CPS bore stroke and the 1597cc, it may achieve what the Prince produce. As for now, i’m still waiting for the ouput of the chat between Anthony Lim and Proton engineers to know why they made the decision to shortened. Anthony, hope you reading this? ;-)
not to mention pug engine got direct injection and dual scroll turbo..
but the price of the engine is much higher than this CFE looll
i believed someone had explained it in previous thread of exora bold..
http://paultan.org/2011/12/15/proton-exora-bold-brochure-scans-reveal-all/
quoted from squall_shinoda..
squall_shinoda says:
15/12/2011 at 7:09 pm
Actually it is to lower the compression ratio so that the CFE engine will be less prone of knocking. Higher density of oxygen in force-aspirated engines means more tendency of knocking, so the compression ratio must be lowered to avoid knocking.
It appears the fuel tank capacity has been increased by 5L
Good, it can cover more distance!
i heard exora bold’s turbo don’t have intercooler. is it really ok? bcause as far as i know, turbo need intercooler to cool down turbine
Got lar
what u heard is totally wrong… this cfe have a intercooler on lhs fr bumper…
Only for high pressure turbo. Not for lpt. Even Hilux don’t have intercooler.
that’s why you shouldn’t just hear things from your fren.. do check it out yourself, with your own eye :)
no big deal if a turbo engine got no intercooler. intercooler is used to cool down the intake air, thus improving the volumetric efficiency in cylinder because lower temp air is much denser that hot air. so the output per cycle is much better.and it may prevent predetonation too.
It is very interesting that Proton releasing this version and somehow giving us the impression that proton themselves admit that the current exora is underpowered. It is like creating a working but buggy software that is not optimize and later down the road releasing new patches to solve the issues. Exora should have been like this “bold” model in the first place or fit in with a mitsu engine 1.8/2.0 and I would said it would sell like hot cakes. With Mitsu engine as the power plant, definitely catching my attention as a family man who couldn’t afford a 100K++ MPV :)
well, i’m sure there a family man that cant afford an 80K mpv(bold), so the 60K version is good enough..
Malaysian mod head can tune this turbo engine to get above 300bhp. hohoh..
Beating Odyssey?
Whether its mpv or not.. turbo engine is totally different than N.A.
Tune a bit only will give u much improvement..
Definitely worth buy and it have its own attraction…
Maybe could consider this rather than wish?
Nway… for people who still dont trust proton’s improvement.. u can test drive urself..
don’t just take other people’s bashing..test it for urself..
Hi all, i hope got ppl can answer my Q. I dont know about turbo. Wat in my mind is alway think that turbo is to hard push the engine run on next level. I think im wrong :p.
Any1 here can let me know wat is the lifespan of turbo engine? 5yr? 10yr? 15yr? Will different car manufacture turbo lifespan is different? Eg: bmw vs proton… >.<
Maintainance high?
that kind of question, u need to buy the car and experience it..bcos this is first turbo engine by proton..
if u dont know about turbo, there’s a lot of information by just searching ‘turbo’ in google..
it is easier by asking isn’t? please read la bro..that’s what our government is practising over advertisements nowadays..
if u maintain your engine, shouldn’t be a problem. the BOT is not produce by proton. if not mistaken, it’s by borg-werner, so if you maintain your car regularly, no problem. the turbo itself, depend on the pressure bar. if put too high (eg. 1 bar) and always open, of course la your maintenance will be higher. if less than that (say, 0.5 bar), shouldn’t be as high cost as the 1 bar.
may be other forummers have other opinion.
Yes, the turbo-charger unit could be a reputable foreign make, but the engine, exhaust system, ECU, etc may not be.
Case scenario: add a turbo-charger, the engine runs at higher pressure + temperature. Being a Proton, at the end of day, everything else kaput except the turbo-charger from (Borg-Warner?) …
Turbo charger lifespan for a Proton?
I fear the turbo-charger in a Proton may blow in 1/2 year, or 5,000km. Whichever come first.
Come on, on average 2 generations of Malaysians per household had been cheated by Proton. My dad had driven two models – a Saga 1.3 and a Wira 1.5. Myself a Wira 1.5.
All of the above had higher cases of problems per year compared to equivalent foreign models. I don’t even remember now how many times I’ve had to change the powered window brackets for the front left and right doors.
A turbo charger in a Proton? You have to be very brave or full of money (and time) to buy one.
High maintenance and reliability issues? Perhaps this is the reason the Jap car makers and Koreans have yet to mass market their cars with turbo-chargers.
My view, go for the proven car makes i.e. Volkswagen; Ford; Peugeot if you want a turbo-charged car. If you’re keen to go for the Proton CFE, at least awhile to see if there are any reliability issues faced by the frontline / first batch of buyers.
SUNSC
strangely enough, those reliable car makes that you mention also get their turbo charger from borgwarner. in fact, it is believed that volkswagen is their biggest customer.
and condolences for you, your proton has not been working well for you. i drive saga, iswara and now waja, so far so good. lets just not started with P1 vs other car makes. I will say 1 thing and you will say another to counter. it stays there forever la friend…
Almost everyone here have same bad experience with old proton models. My family also used to own a Saga Megavalve 1.5i, 2 proton wira, 2 saga BLM, and a Gen-2. It depends on individuals, some people already give up, but many Malaysians are forgiving and wanted to see Proton success. Proton shown lot of improvement under DSZ and that is the reason why most malaysians still support Proton.
i drive gen2 with NA campro for 6 years now and clocked more than 250000km. the engine serve me very fine without problem, alhamdulillah. the only thing is i bought that car in 2005 during proton dark day and yes, the assembly quality disappoint me. but if u say the engine not reliable, u r wrong..in fact those p1 cars u have are mitsu engine.
Borg Warner turbo charger yes, but other components may be local i.e. engine, cooling system, exhaust system, etc.
End of day, everything else may kaput except the turbo charger from B-W. Example: overheated engine block due to inefficient / low reliability cooling mechanism. Or the engine could not stand the extra combustion pressure and blow some pistons.
It’s a matter of trust – I don’t trust the Proton brand anymore. 20+ years since 1980s, and still could not stand on own feet without government protection. And still producing non-par products.
do u have proof that proton cant stand on their own?
sunsc > Other cars dont hv such problem?
The CFE just launch for 1 day only, you already came up with all sorts of negativity. All based on your assumptions…. tsk tsk tsk.
suck it up boy…. We are moving forward. Live with that.
To all the champions of Proton, please put your money where your mouth is – I hope all of you place bookings for it, and prove us skeptics wrong that this 20+ yrs old company, who has so much trouble keeping simple components from constantly failing i.e. powered windows, could produce reliable forced induction motor vehicles.
I’d gladly sell my foreign made turbo-charged car and follow suit in getting the CFE if it’s proven reliable and durable.
Overall view, Proton done a good job, but it has to do better to catch up with its competitors. Right now it’s 1 generation lagging behind its competitor. in terms of technology, styling, safety and engineering. Meaning what Proton just released today, its competitors already have them 5 years ago.
Wah here, wah there….. but sales still lose out to Alza.
So then why Alza still lose out to Persona… Can i said that.. Coz u hv started comparing not Apple to apple..
but your persona is losing out to viva. hahaha… loser
why not comparing viva sales and saga sales
why not compare saga and myvi sales?
omg,… hahah … them proton ppl .. . No wonder proton is struggling to stay afloat with these staffs.
ur myvi onlu can sell in kampung bolehland in malaysia.. even in Indonesia nobody wanna buy under perodua badge…
ur are REAL JAGUH KAMPUNG la perodua salesgirl
prrrtfhhh
Pathetic la you.
Dapat no 1 for 2-3 months dah kecoh satu kampung.
Kesian proton. Ingatkan boleh dapat top spot in sales sebab japan nuclear meltdown, mana tau kalah lagi.
Alza only can sell in bolehland la..an conned kampung ppl.. Even in asean nobody wanna buy laa prrfftt
Then you think your exora can sell outside malaysia?
aiyaa lenchai aa.. go see in thai & indon exora selling like hot cakes there hoo.. somemore win awards there also maa..
how many unit sold? ….
can sell or cannot sell? ;)
Asking question also thumb down? … Proton should send their staffs for courses.
you go first la.. jgn jd katak bwh tempurung..
untill now alza sale cannot xceed 4k per month as per P2 xpected b4.
xkn Proton lunch Exora Bold dh goyang..
funny le u P2 sales girl.. hahaha..
then how many alza sold in Thai and Indon.??. even not even sold and nobody wanna buy perodua badge… they will only consider daihatsu or toyota badge
Good job. Proton! However, after looking at Exora Prime from the photos, I think that Proton should just launch a single variant rather than launching both Bold and Prime. I’m sure many would just go for the Bold-variant.
Just my point of view.
dun worry nizam80… PRIME is targeted to export market… thats why there is not much promo for PRIME…. malaysian people still cannot afford to pay more for less… ahahah
so dont have to worry… major buyer for this is Indonesia and Thailand….
still using the old school anolog type air cond unit ? why is it so hard to fit in an auto climate control system ?
yeah, I was hoping for climate control at least..
added cost lah.
bet u never used its bcoz in malaysia so hot so we manage set our ac to the lowest temp we can get. xpayah auto2 never used it la… like mms all we have that service but how many pic u have send this month???
Avanza non turbo, no issue
non turbo no power…
not to forget the ancient 4 speed auto
Time to die, Proton.
Good riddance
eh, since the CVT is already here, when the manual getrag 6-speed manual want to launch? wanna feel the turbolah hehehe
bolt on turbo , ratio is 10:1…possible?
why not ?? mine waja bolt on turbo with 0.7bar with stock internal parts
already 5 years and almost 300k km covered …… PROTON tak bodoh
dear bro…actual and official compression ratio is 8.9:1
next time pls refer to reliable source not hearsay from ur perodua salesman
prrrtfhhh
bolt on turbo . ratio 10:1 ?…
whats the big hoohaa about proton ? my gen2 plain vanilla campro has clocked more than 200k,no issues, its easy to mantain, cheap to run. and i can still cruise at 130/140 on my balik kg trips.
if you say other models maybe … but a gen2? hahahaha ….
What bout gen2? I’ve own one, 2005 model, clocked 160k. Still no big issues.
mine 330 k … still doing 130 km/h 200 km daily…. still good.
my gen2 1st batch 2004 clock 250,000km..just change 2 times timing belt cost about rm250 per set..i thing basher only basher..they dont have nothing..drive corrola KE70 pun dah belagak cm naik camry…they only know technology but dont know how to use and cannt afford to pay
can’t wait for Paul review
I still prefer the Exora over the Chery and Nissan MPVs.
Then u shd buy two, if not Proton gonna die soon man.
why you so butthurt.. haha
Daddy decided to buy MPV instead of hatchback?
:mrgreen:
Hi all,
Just return from test drive Exora Bold Premium 1.6 CVT in Senawang Proton.
Been looking for MPV but i think I have found what I want.
My family own Waja (Mitsu AT & Mitsu MT), Gen2 CPS MT and Myvi 1.3 SEi. I have test driven Exora MC, Freed, Grandis, Grand Livina 1.8 and Alza. Didnt consider Innova bcoz previous experience (nauseated and nearly vomitted after lunch and only sit in the 2nd row.. very bouncy even at 60-80kmh). Lastly decided after test drive the above MPVs, I set my budget <RM100k… so Grandis and Freed is out.
So I test driven the new Bold Premium. Will stated each point vs the old Exora MC
1: Looks: its subjective but for me much better than Exora MC especially the rear lights (brownish tint casing in Bold- looks better in gold colour compared white)
2. Leather seats: now ALL leather. No more suede at the side of the seat. Good for family with small kids like me.
3. Stated in the brochure electric folded mirror- forget to test this today
4. Both front seats have arm rest
5. Tyre is 205/55/R16… better compared to the previous 195/65/15
6. Engine:.. In a nutshell… Far better than my Gen2 CPS (which Exora MC also have).
Got 2 modes.. Normal D and SAT D. I think SAT is a sport mode. Got switch at the gear console.
Very smooth gear change. SAT is even smoother. up and down gear no jerking.
Going uphill behind the Senawang Proton (not like cameron/genting) from stop at the trafic light… initially rpm goes up to 4k then it settle down below 2.5k rpm. on flat road, gear change happened at around 2k rpm (80kmh). Better than the underpowered CPS 1.6 which revv up to 6k rpm at the same spot when i test drive exora mc one month ago.
7. Dashboard is better. finishing details much better. colour combination is better. all this is comparing with the exora mc.
8. Embedded LCD at the rear view mirror… it will appear if Reverse only. Got 2 lines. Green and Yellow inner line. Tested Reverse parking in front of the old exora test drive until the yellow line.. still can open the boot safely. even a large tesco trolley can pass thru.
The rest will be the same as the old MC. only additional of rm3k from CPS to CVT/CFE + accessories. The test drive unit is only 200km on the odometer this morning.
Thats all that I can share today. Really happy especially with the new CFE engine with CVT gearbox.
Test drove too. More responsive than the non turbo version.
Just discovered that they have a yellow substance thing in a casing at the lower front end of the body below the radiator before the engine. When collision occurs it expands once contact with the radiator water and form a cushion of spongelike stuff that absorb the impact. I never knew about this before and suprisingly they said it was there on the older model too.
errr…. brother…. if CVT still jerking… it’s not a CVT anymore… ^^”
jus look at passenger aircon duct….walaoeh…
This car sucks, no matter how it changes….
Same to all stupid and blind supporters, all are as “sucks” as this car.
Is that all you can think of Mr? what happen to all of your lengthy but empty comments?
yeah, and yet u are the one almost everyone calls stupid
butthurt with proton sir?
mind to share ur definition of “sucks”…???.s.
the same goes to you
nothing personal but your name remind me of “orang Indon”?
I prefer a stress free driving. I use Honda Accord and Toyota Camry as example. While both have their pros and cons, I much prefer the Camry because it’s so easy and stress free to drive. I don’t appreciate the more exciting driving experience of Accord.
Now I have driven the earlier Auto Exora and the No.1 thing I hated is the engine. It’s so noisy and stressed that I too felt the stress. So much so that I wanted to puke. So how’s this new CVT turbo charged Exora?
give it a try… the old exora rev high rpm.. similar to my gen2 cps… but this exora bold… the needle lingers around 1.5k-2.5k once u already move the car from stand still. even at 80kmh the rpm is about 2k.
i agree camry and accord are damn good but they r in the class of their own and damn expensive. furthermore exora is an MPV with 7 seater while accord and camry are luxury sedans with 5 seater. apple vs orange.
Just give it a test drive. it is quieter than the old exora cps. i like the lcd+rear view mirror!
Im stressed reading your comment! Aarrrgghhhh!
Telor Sebiji Riuh Sekampong. That’s how time and again folks would flock to see what Protongkat peddling shouting on the pasar malam. And they got conned again.
CFE – 9th Wonder of the World? CFE – Conjob For Exora? Who cares.
It’s funny how Protongkat always rely on certain group of idiots for sales knowing it’s crap, faulty, worthless and still keep on buying it.
Perhaps in economics theory it’s the imperfect elasticity – supply crap for fools. Fools got pulled by their sheer stupidity.
And how do you tap this car buyer category? That’s right: Keep on selling them with bad products! Amazing how happy they’re buying craps!
You thought you just bought value-for-money car full of power and punch? Ha Ha Ha last laugh from the Kroni suppliers not you the buyers!
Dilbert Marketing: “How do sell a bad product? – Sell it to stupid people!”
eh suka hati la..lu takut lu pnya sales drop ya macha?
dia butthurt tu
Your nickname made me noticed that W-A-J-A written back word is ……… :mrgreen:
Typo pulak: backward :(
P2 pny salesman nih……
I thing Honda EX5 owner….
No lah.. she is Expatriate VN. The same person.
i bought the said to be very well branded car VIOS at 80+K and i would say, it is crap like you…pay more and you get less…
pity ur parents having an idiot as their child..
ahhh ni sure Expatriate VN in disguise..ayat sama je kantoi..hahahaha
what a crap car! 1.6 turbo and yet it takes 13.3 secs to hit 100km/h?! the VW Cross Touran with 1.4 TSI engine does it in under 10 secs and returns better economy. The Touran has more torque and more power as well.
I wont be surprised if the stupid CVT gearbox will die within 3 years. CVT gearboxes are not durable.
people will argue about the price but given a level playing ground the price of the Touran in Europe will be a higher than Exora. but in such a level playing field market, the Touran would still be a better buy given all the specifications and the NCAP 5 star crash rating.
proton still cannot build a decent car.. all crap
comparing 80k exora bold with expensive touran ya..
looks like proton is moving up in the world yo
That’s what I thought, bro. Haters are starting to compare Proton with an European make. It’s a good sign. I really can’t wait for the day when the Proton’s global car starts selling in Europe and maybe in the US one day. We’ll see!
proton is not compared to perodua cars and 2nd class japs car ASEAN made anymore..
yeahhh go global
CVT can die? For your information VW use twin charge (turbo+supercharge) and DSG (Direct Shift Gearbox) or dual clutch transmission that why it accelerate faster than Exora that use single turbo and CVT,you cant compare global car with non-global car,that very wrong.
Not a bad package this time but still feel a little overpriced. For that I believe it would be difficult to tapau Avanza or Livina since most buyer here dont really buy based on specs but merely on brand name.
This is better than livina.. lebih ruang.. lebih selesa.. ada rear aircond.. rear seat can split 50-50.. kalau suruh pilih antara livina dan bold/prime.. saya akan pilih bold/prime.. livina 3rd row panas dan sempit..
orang kalo ada otak, dia boleh fikir dan pilih dengan betul..tgk segala aspek. org yang semata2 tgk brand tu tak panjang akal…boleh kata bodoh la..
lagi lagi yang dok bash tak tentu pasal..kesiannnnn..mcm da xder modal langsung nak bash..kesiannnn..
The bashers are starting to get desperate, bro. They are hoping for Proton to “gulung tikar” so that they can buy and drive Golf/Rocco at RM80K. LOL.
At this point, there is no other way for Proton to go, but FORWARD.
i also said 5008 n 3008 are better equip n are dubbed among the best mpv in the world, but there is a price u have to pay for it. I dont want to campare it to 3008@5008, since somebody point out n compare it with pug, so i just point out pug is not exactly mpv that u shud compare with coz different league. Already mentioned the diffrence in my previous post.
So,mr expat, have u learn to read yet, if not, i think smart reader is open for u next year, u can apply to enter smart reader, it has a lot of branch around malaysia.
at 80k i dunno why people would want to buy the ugly chery, avanza or grand livina anymore.. not to forget, vios or city..
half the price of the Touran wt comparable torque!!…if u dun mind about brand, Yup…value for money!! great job P1
Agree with you but sadly here ppl just worship the T & H badge.
something to ponder mr expat, if a simple brochure of pug for buyers that use simple n plain language to ease buyers in understanding what they buying cannot be comprehend by u, now u want to talk about technical aspect, co2 output, ncap, engine, economy, business n etc that is beyond ur reach.
Learn to read first, increase ur knowledge, enhance ur understanding then u can start talking.
Dont talk bout somebody bs here, bs there if u r the bs**tter here.
I’m curious to see the Prime. Does it look like the 2nd row captain seats don’t allow for walk-through?
Just came back from mutiara damansara and checked Bold & Prime. Design & color wise i think Bold is better. 2 tone interior is nice.
Prime the wood finish is not that bad actually, unlike the picture. U need to see it on your own and see.
I love the captain seat on Prime, wish it has the option for Bold.
Booked Prime but still find Bold finishing is prettier.
The captain seat doesn’t really allow u to walk through easily coz of the armrest. Definitely not for adults to walk through but there’s a nice gap for u to chit chat with the 3rd row
come on guys… check this out… the real effect for exora prime wood trim compare photo released by proton..
photobucket.com/exora-prime/
you’ll be amazed..
You want to walk through buy Alphard even honda stream or Odessa cannot but you don’t say anything to them remember this proton can speed up to 200 km/h which is impossible for Wish, Stream, Estima haa haaa
Meme, your english is really fUntastic :D
I catch no ball LOLX~
something to ponder mr expat, if a simple brochure of pug for buyers that use simple n plain language to ease buyers in understanding what they buying cannot be comprehend by u, now u want to talk about technical aspect, co2 output, ncap, engine, economy, business n etc that is beyond ur reach.
Learn to read first, increase ur knowledge, enhance ur understanding then u can start talking.
Dont talk bout somebody bs here, bs there if u r the bs**tter here….
proton shud ditch the wood trim, looks nasty
exora prime shud have 2 tone interior, soft touch black plastic above waist line with aluminium trimmings, and the usual proton-esque hard plastic below the waistline beige color, and all black p-leather upholstery….voila…
This CFE engine with 138 hp at 5,000 rpm and 205 Nm of torque from 2,000 to 4,000 rpm; is really a good start; slowly, we get more and more with new model coming out… just like another car mfg did that also; gen to gen, model to model get some improve… very soon, we will have 160hp & 240Nm after 2 to 3 gen flip…
So, by 2020, Saga might have this 160-240 figure… SAGA is the only line model that P1 will continue forever, mean, it will one day achieve today top sport car spec when the day the world no longer have low spec engine… wahahaha…. every one can fly!!!
SAGA will be continued under KASTURI concept car and P3-21A will be under TUAH Concept. INSPIRA under JEBAT concept. Hope so..
http://www.proton.com/Models/Our-Model-Lineup/Concept-Cars/Categories/Concept-Cars.aspx
test drove Exora Bold lunch time just now. this is just my point of view
1. look depend personal. i personally think internal look ok. notthing to shout about
2. reverse lcd at rear view mirror. quite usefull
3. power for this car when use normal D more more powerful. when switch on CVT. its too smooth and sometimes i feel its not as powerful as i need it to be. going up hill in D more more responsive.
4. fetching 4 adult i can say when press pedal and the car move without any big effort of need to rev engine
5. NVH not so great. can hear engine sound from cabin quite loud when high rev the car go up hill
over all i think for RM80K quite worth to buy. will be in my shortlisted
just go to buy a reverse camera from ah beng , it will cost not more that 400 , what the heck need this tin milo mpv ?
sell 40k , maybe can consider …
4 Star NCAP you still said it’s tin milo? Go kill yourselves!!!!!
really? ah beng is always the best for u aite? but ah beng’s reverse cam does it intergrated with the mirror? if not dun say anything la bro……
Believe it is a bold on turbo. No valve sound, no bar meter.
The spec didn’t write out compression ration. I believe it is a low power turbo.
Just drive test…got power and smooth. But just worry how long the engine can stand (if it is a bold on turbo)?
not bold on turbo but low pressure turbo ler
Boss, do you know what is bolt on turbo or not ? And it is bolt-on, not BOLD…..
bolt-on turbo kits normally will have the water,oil temperature gauges and a BOV (blow off valve). If the turbo kits comes with CBV (compressor bypass valve)… there is no pss pss sound, my fren.
What it having in CFE I believe is low pressure which no need to monitor the temperature on the oil and radiator water. And that campro is running hot on NA mode, so they bring down a bit power output from that campro to compensate the turbo kits so that it wont overheats easily.
I believe campro does not have displacement more than 1.6 litres is also because of the heat issue.. please correct me if I am miss-quoted it.
Well done proton.
I’d been waiting for this for years until i got my self the new wish and happily driving it around.
With the ‘new’ engine and equipment, i would say it better if proton revamp the overall look of Exora as a ‘new’ car. So that people will have a refresh looking car and at the same time giving an opportunity for proton engineers to really improve every shortcomings esp on the design. Just as what Mazda did to their Mazda5, a new look even it is only touted as a refreshed model over the previous 5.
Exora is a good an solidly built car and with the ‘new’ heart it should be even better…congrat to Proton.
Went to check out the Bold and Prime during lunch just now..overall a lot of improvement in the exora..
Prime looks much-much better exora but the wood trim should go i think. It looks better in real than in the pics before but it shoudnt be there for long i guess..
Bold is quite understament but the engine is the selling point. It hits 80km/h is just 1-2 seconds, quite impressive..
If I’m of a big frame kind of person, I’d grab prime but I’m only a 5 footer so this mpv makes me like a school kid driving his father’s.
All the best proton.
Driven BOLD CFE already! yay!
what i can say is the whole new feeling comparable to previous one on CPS, seriously! The engine was so effortless and l was almost forgot that i drove an MPV. totally! plus, ive made a comparison between MC1 model also in the showroom, there’s slightly a better quality of the interior plastic material. The refinement summed up the Exora Bold really solid in a good package now and the engine NVH is better than 2.0p Inspira.
Im 20 and I dont mind to choose Exora Bold as my first car to be pimped as my young styled MPV for me to hang with my friends :)
bring your friends for travelling? ask them to pay for petrol and sponsor room for you!!
That’s not a problem, they’re always do their part, don’t worry :-)
one thing, I am no longer impressed when i see an Estima on the road as before as I tested the Exora Bold CFE ^^
I just tested drive Bold premium model.this is comment
1.DiscBrake +4 ABS= i still believe the brake system need to improve…
2. Lotus Ridding= No much differ
3.reverse camera= good function
4.sound speaker= low quality
5.CFE + CVT Enjin = still need more power because the car is solid (=heavy) with 7 person
6. no optional for accessory package = RM4010 is tooo expensive !!!!!! (only differ with prime is = GPS).
7. Safety features == less……
Guys,
Everyone entitled to your own opinion and statement. Allows mine,
I’ve had tested various models of MPV before I settled for one particular japanese MPV (not JDM model). My tested MPVs include Exora CPS 1st batch ( Not E.Bold) and my finding on Exora were:
1. The Exora brake equally to my japanese mpv or better
2. Handling and body roll, ride composed better than my japanese mpv. Worse, I spent RM1k to install anti-roll bar and strut bar to improve handling by 50% but still lower by 30% compared to exora
3. Camera? Only beep beep beep sounds like the one in Upin & Ipin movie
4. Sound system of my japanese MPV? My 10 years old waja sounds sweeter
5. Engine? CPS torque was the negative point for exora but CFE still the same? OMG, i wish everyone will test drive japanese or korean MPV before they test drive Exora CFE
6. Accesories for my MPV? I need to fork out RM15k more
7. NVH? my MPV car hear the bikes sound and the rider words clearly during the traffic light stop whilst Exora filters the external sound & song much better
8. The previous major weakness of exora cps were only 2. 1st the engine torque & 2nd the interior quality. The 1st has been excellently rectifed but the 2nd remain…
Compared to poor face lift G. Livina, the new E.Bold is very good efforts by Proton but still long way to go in interior design to catch with the humble Korean.
Jalan tetap jalan, tapi mesti ke depan
I just tested drive Bold premium model.this is comment
1.DiscBrake +4 ABS= i still believe the brake system need to improve…
2. Lotus Ridding= No much differ
3.reverse camera= good function
4.sound speaker= low quality
5.CFE + CVT Enjin = still need more power because the car is solid (=heavy) with 7 person
6. no optional for accessory package = RM4010 is too expensive !!!!!! (only differ with prime is = GPS).
7. Safety features == less……
..dasar pembohong..
i hope you test drive again and be honest with your comments.
Are suggest an Avanza instead?
Looks like a typical rival comment. Scare that he won’t be able to get more customers after this due to Exora Bolds feature and power..Stop denying the reality that proton has become a BIG problem for other MPV sale’s man.
Memang dasar penipu besar… the lamest and most stupid lie is regarding the audio quality. Proton uses radios from big names like Blaupunkt and Clarion and not those chicken brand ones so how come the audio quality can be lousier than those chicken brand radios? Nak tipu tu agak2 la.
Proton staffs are freaking defensive … condenm sikit pun tak boleh….. anyway not that their sales will threaten others…
perodua staff also hurtbutts type.. dont worry exora wont kacau ur alza sales coz ur alza got timing chain
prrrtfhhhh
you mean exora still using belt? …. omg …. and you guys hype it like its going to take over the country ….
yeah proton lose to old KE engine toyota UNSER also coz unser use timing chain…prrrtfhhh..
nowadays car manufacturer using CVT 6-7 speed,… ur dump engine from japan to ASEAN 3rd wolrd country like alza still using 4 speed GB…prrrtfhh
Clarion ok brand….sound biasa lah….tak kan ada woofer atau amp ke.
No say poor….normal is the right word.
Turbo sounds ok but the Cvt with turb…woh…interesting.
The Flx Cvt has a rubber band feel….when u let go of the accelerator…..this one, will be even more interesting.
Anyway, gd attempt but dont go bashing other makes. You can also see how more tax they have to pay. Not same rate.
u compare ngn mpv ape?
renault grand espace f1?
As a proton owner I ve master a unique skill it is called window pulling. This skill can only be transfer to other proton owners but the skill will be slightly different. My skill is base on recognition n catch it on time whenever the window slow when going up I’ll catch and pull it up it must catch it before it stop. Furthermore, my proton service centre not dealer says no sound is not proton when I complain my brake got sound recently.
Wonderful car that’s the reason it need full protection from competitors
went to the showroom today. all i can say.. i am sold but not sold enough to make me do not want to wait for p3-21a.. thats my aim..
talked to the sales person, and he said another model of smaller engine 1.2 to be launch.. not sure la.. EMAS maybe.. savvy replacement..
well, until these thing happened : SHOUTOUT by Paultan
EXORA BOLD/PRIME vs WISH vs LIVINA VS INNOVA VS STREAM VS RUSH VS CHERY EASTER
i would not believe any of your +ve/ -ve comment, bias!!!..hehehe
agree. act fast paul, we are waiting for you!
dah try baru tau..jom p test drive cpt..
heading to proton edar labuan this morning.tp keciwa…exora cfe test drive not yet available..need to wait 2-3 weeks…huuh
Standard Proton practice, after some so call performance upgrade to the premium model, the price for the standard model is being raised as well. The basic B-Line is only RM58998, and now the cheapest 1.6 Standard MT is RM59998. And the Bold Executive is also more expensive than the M-Line Exora just with some add on accessories. Proton, wake up la, your price is no longer competitive to those imported car that are heavily taxed
Test drive just now and get a free Proton pen as souvenior.Here is my recall,I purposely bring my wife,4 kids and my maid for the test drive and including the salesman.Tried uphill and to my surprise it feel responsive even with D gear..Comparable with 2 litre MPV.At straights 0-100kmh is just like a normal 1.8 sedan car,Nippy and steady.All disc brake is quite astonishing by Proton standards to my surprise.Only let down DVD/GPS only available through Prime model,They should include standard item for Bold model!Overall i’m quite satisfied with the new CFE engine.I dare say this is better still than Wish 1.8 and Stream 1.8 anytime!
better not to compare bold with wish and stream, unless it has turbocharged engine too, cfe engine has linear max torque from low rpm2,000, it’s totally different beast
petang tadi , member proton aku call, kete baru sampai, terus aku datang test … dari mines, pergi equine park, naik bukit turun bukit, masuk hiway, dalam hujan lebat sedar tak sedar aku dah speeding 150kmh kot …. apa2 pon exora cfe nie SANGAT BERBALOI !!!
keta proton bw masa hujan pun stabil dan rasa selamat
betul …. walaupon sebelum nie proton ader mcm2 masalah dari segi kualiti aksesori, tapi aku terpaksa akur yang handling dan ride comfort memang sangat bagus pada kereta proton … aku ader waja model 2003 dan masih guna lagi sampai sekarang, dan aku pon ader jugak ader kereta continental …. yup, proton mungkin lack dari segi interior kualiti, tapi selain dari tuh, ok jer …. atleast proton improving alot .. itu yang kita mahukan =)
Yup…PROTON good/proven – R & H (dna Lotus) and PROTON Air (aircond) – lack in term of cosmetic (accesories) quality – tak tahan lama tp tu la…kedai SPARE PART ada. bukn cari kedai POTONG tukar enjin. Kira OK la kan. Hidup PROTON. pinjam rules ULTRAS Malaya la…kira apa2 jd pn kt PROTON, kete problem ke (jarang la), kete OK (proven) sold many country ready. Sokong PROTON – (lagu PROTON – Hebat Proton, Hebat Proton) :D…main kan la semula….
em, mr norman, maybe ur salesman forget to inform u that bold premium has dvd player at the roof scnd row n u also get portable gps, n reverse camera on rear mirror
The only different with prime is prime get all in one multimedia player,intergrated dvd,gps n reverse camera n come with touch screen. Not only that, u also get 2 additional dvd player embended on both head rest. Only available on prime.
Dont worry if u select bold cfe over prime coz u still get dvd player plus gps, portable one
current trend,people like to compare proton with conti makers even germans compare to previous one, compare to korea cars n japs, now towards euro cars.
It is a good news actually,meaning that prtn already comparable with conti to bashers mind. Saga compare to vw jetta, exora bold compare to cross touran, pug 3008 n 5008.
So maybe next year, when prtn release a new car, they start to compare with beemer n merc. Wow, at last, bashers acknowledge prtn.
Where is mr expat, since he is really good, he mentioned before that if innova,livina n chery eastar compare vis a vis in term of co2 output n ncap rating, it will smoke exora bold cfe easily, still waiting ncap rating for innova,livina n eastar n their co2 output data n compare with bold cfe.
If he cant provide that, it is proven that he is a big fat liar. N remember, once a liar, always a liar, always talking bs,bs n bs until he s***ting in his own pants.
Bring it on mr expat.
yg duk kutuk compare dgn contis pun bukannya pakai kereta conti pun, entah-entah pakai keta buruk 15-20 tahun
Mat, ramai orang booking keta kat ko hari ni?
Guys, as I’ve said earlier, don’t bother with Expat VN. For all we know he might be a lonely guy living with his mother with lots of unresolved childhood issues and the only way for him to vent his anger is by trolling.
Now, back to Exora Bold, haven’t test drive it yet but exterior & equipment level looks promising. Can’t wait to test drive one of those this weekend.
I agree.. that’s why i no longer bother replying him. just leave him to play with his keyboard happily.
Good and got “improvement”, at least now you are a “tame attack dog”, no longer punch keyboard at your own whim and fancy and spill out a lot of craps.
Thank you and wish you all the best for “improvement” demonstrate by you. On my part it is good sign that “there is less one nuisance attack dog disturbing me”!
you think that everybody is a nuisance to you unless they agree to whatever shit you write here. but, actually you’re THE nuisance to everybody. full stop.
Oh, oh, ……… good! “tak tahan leh”! replied jugak hor, this prove what you said at the above – “I agree.. that’s why i no longer bother replying him “- is simply bullshit.
crazy dog, that’s because u replied my comment.
Mofart, do yourself a favour, stop spitting into the sky, if you could, please. Zzzzz….
This is the most stupid craps from diehard blind supporters for below the belt personal attack! Worst are those blind blind-supporter of the same kind to click tumb-up.
Go and test drive the Cam-Tak-Pro jaguh kampong car! With 138 hp and almost 1.5 ton kerb weight, which Innova also with similar 136 hp and weight, many or almost all comments Innova is underpower (actually it is true fact, since in Middle-East, Innova come with same engine 2.7L with Fortuner).
However, just because previous engine was “under-under-power”, by providing additional 13 hp over 1st batch, all these idiots come out syiok sendiri sing a song it got the “power”, somemore some idiots blind supporters compare it with another junks, Lagi Power Lagi Best frog shape buttless tissue box car. This mindset is good for vendor cronies and AP King to continue sucks their hard earn monies.
dey bodoh, CFE produced 205nm torque compared to 150nm in CPS. that’s 37% more pulling power available much sooner at 2000rpm vs 150nm at 4500rpm in CPS!
u better stop commenting about cars because clearly you don’t understand anything
xyh layan lah dia tu. bukan paham bahasa pn.
nk FOCUS pn susah, inikan pula nk FAHAM tajuk perbincangan?
;)
“………. still waiting ncap rating for innova,livina n eastar n their co2 output data n compare with bold cfe.
If he cant provide that, it is proven that he is a big fat liar. N remember, once a liar, always a liar, always talking bs,bs n bs until he s***ting in his own pants.
Bring it on mr expat.”
Sorry mad, just “google-here-and-there”, the info you request is non-available and/or incomplete since our Bolehland’s do not enforce CO2 and NCAP rating for cars like what is being implemented in Euro market. In Eurozone, you can find these infos in manufacturers or NCAP websites easily. Some more, some of the cars mentioned are ASEAN’s products “dedicated” and in respond to the local market environment (i.e. fight) the taxes, the “less sophisticated customers” and entry level cars for low income group.
Is that incomplete or non-availability of info can be related to “lies”, “liar” or “bullshit”? Still want to “menegakan benang yang basah”? Then by the same extension, do you insinuated that our jaguh kampong, T, Chery or N also a “big fat liar” by virtue of non-provision of the said infos.
You can disagree with my opinion, but that doesn’t mean (or by all means) you can make conclusion by assume there is a correlation between “big fat liar” vis-a-vis non-availibility of info (either in part or in whole). Can you provide any statistical evident(s) to support your argument?
Look like you are “extremely more difficult” to “educated” than MooFart!
WTF!!! (What the fish) lol,i’m not proton supporter,i just want to said please dont call people animals and dont make they angry,i see a lot of your comment that really make people angry and sick btw how old are you? peace.
Off topic 1
new GT-R R35 2012 accelerate 0-100km/h only in 2.9s how cool is that!
Off topic 2
correction new Exora bold CFE acceleration 0-100km/h is 11.3s not 13.3s,there is a typing error in Exora bronchure dont confuse btw who wrote that thing proton salesman?
tak payah la ulang2 pasal brochure salah sampai 4-5 kali baii….
sorry.
bro neo 77, hope u read my post. I really pity u coz u r really not on the luck side, lemon car, what a nightmare.
Based on ur post, u already send in the car service to prtn branch sc n they dont rectify ur problems. So sorry for u. Even u r selling ur neo, this is my suggestion on ur problems, on the ac dials, i think its not the ac unit problem, but just the dial problem, just change the dial, i think ur prob solved coz that happened to my own n my cuz savvy, earlier thought that ac faulty, but luckily when i send to prtn sc, they check it,its the dials inside connector broken, just replace the dial,cost me rm12, n my prob solved.
Em, about ur opinion on cps, i think it is not right to jump into conclusion that cps upgrade from campro is not powerful based on ur uncle’s exora experienced. U r comparing ur campro 1.6 (i presume) neo with cps in exora. U shud at least compare it with gen2 cps coz exora is way too heavy to compare with ur neo. If u put vios or honda city engine, its stil has the same experience as cps or even worse.
This 1.6 cfe is a diff beast,already test driven it. It perform very well in exora, but if put in saga, i believe it can fly(nope really coz dont have flying spoiler as myvi lgpower lgbest).
The best way is to test driven it first eventhough u r not buying it coz it is a relevation for prtn cars. N try even test drive flx 1.3 n flx 1.6, i believe u will be shock even flx 1.3 can out last ur neo.
Em,bout campro torque dip, in town cruising, never,ever rev up between 3k-3.9 rpm in town for every gear coz that is where the torque dip lying. Just rev below it if want to save fuel, but not too low or rev beyond it if u want power. If climbing genting sempah, u actually can use 4th gear just by drop it at the moment u climb it and make sure u maintain at least at 4k rpm.
If u drive below 90kmh,before climbing genting sempah, just drop to 4th gear early before climb n make sure u already rev up the car in 4th@4k rpm atleast before climbing n u will be on 4th all the way up.
I know it is a little bit annoying but u really need to know how to utilize plain campro engine. But if u r driving gen2 cps@even persona elegance, no need to do that, just drive like normally u do.
By the way,just go for test drive the gen2 cps, flx, then flx se n exora cps n exora cfe. Atleast u know the different compare to vanila campro.
Hope that u will be happy with ur new non prtn car sooner. Happy driving.
WHatever bashers are saying…EXORA CFE models are sexy…..ceh, i think Bold and Prime should be launched with pretty human models around them like the japs..then these bashers would say less bashing words…
manage to have a spin in EXORA CFE just after the showroom open in Kangar today…WOWWWW I LIKE….very very Slight turbo lag initially but CVT ease it’s movement after that…managed to hit 140km/h in dunno how many seconds but the performance was on par with CAmry 2.0G…maybe better….sorry toyoDUA supporters…YOU HAVE BEEN BEATEN
so many positive comment on CFE engine..
this is a good news for proton and bad news for basher ( perodua and asean made japanese car salesman)
Proton Edar Spec released today.
Compression Ratio 8.9:1
0~100 = 11.3s
http://www.proton-edar.com.my/Experience/Models/Exora/PricingSpecs-(2).aspx#info
i’m not surprised at all, turbocharged cfe will do better on p321a since it has better power to weight ratio, hopefully can do less than 10 sec !!
11.3 seconds..not bad for a vehicle that weighs almost 1.5 tonnes. Thanks to the CFE + CVT.
So 11.3s or 13.3s??? I dont understand why there is discrepency. I know this does not really make a difference to parents buying this car but at least make it consistent. Ini sekejap 13.3 sekejap 11.3
agak2 kali nie tester proton tuh buat sprint test lagi cepat dari tester sebelum kot , hehehe, tu yang kali nie dapat 11.3sec … apa2 pon test dulu kete nie … you will amaze !!
holy shit that’s quite fast for a 1.6L 7 seater.
wow..fuel consumption 7.8l/100km..same as toyota vios..proton technology must be ahead of toyota..or this advertisement try to trick the costumer just like they did to the 1st generation exora which they claim has enough power to climb slope and overtaking..the lied..how about safety feature other than airbag,i heard naza rondo was given 5 star rating by NHCAAP for safety..horsepower 145 equivelant to Honda CRV,price RM84k..0-100km/h 12.1sec..now i confuse which one to choose
do a test drive, simple… then u decide.
u compare exora tech with toyota vios tech.. japs dump toyota vios tech in ASEAN and kampung ppl like u praise vios tech like hell..
prrrtfhhh
peyno
real Japanese car owner.. not asean made 3rd clss japanese car owner
oh for goodness sick, toyota vios are sold in many countries. Yaris and Belta name are in use instead of vios. Even it was sold in Japan and US too. not just Asean. Only specification may varies and differs.
given nonsense and idiotic comments, won’t make you smarter. ahahaha, still the same, just can’t stop laughing whenever i read ur comments. ahahahaha………….
r u vios owner??? prrfthh yeah ppl who never owned n drive REAL JAPS CAR will say that VIOS car and tech is so hi tech…
get used the real japs car then you will feel that dugong vios n other 2nd class japs car dumb to 3rd world country like malaysia totally like shit
prrrtfhhh
what makes you think that if i were a vios owner? ahahaha……… wanted to know too who mentioned vios was so high tech, you? don’t know how you can differentiate real and fake japanese car. maybe you can even differentiate real or fake german cars, american cars, korean cars, can you? hahaha.
Don’t always stick to your own pond, come out and see the world outside. a lot of cars are being sold else where other then in asean countries. as i had said earlier, vios was not just sold in asean but also in japan, us and so on. different countries, different specifications, different environment and weather, different requirement, different policies, etc, therefore most of the same cars will have different feel. and the list go on and on.
ask yourself and other, who don’t want to buy a car cbu from japan, germany, uk, us, s.korean and others? but how many really can afford it in Malaysia? Nowadays, cbu units like lancer, mazda3, polo, etc how much are they? how many can afford of willing to fork out over rm100k for a machine only?
How will malaysia be better if there were lots of them just think like you. Whether non-national or national cars, hope all cars can be sold here, more choices, better competition, better improvement for survivor, and at the end benefit the consumers. same goes to go other things. can understand? ahahahaha…………………..
apa benda yg ko mengarut ni?
Why didn’t proton used same engine system (CFE/CVT) for all Exora variant?
some ppl may not be able to afford it, and not everyone drives fast
not all people afford to buy prime or premium but all people need new power engine for their Exora dosesn’t matter people drive slow or fast…additional price for new engine about RM5000. Hopefully Bline and Mline will have cfe/cvt engine too.
We are not asking CFE for all variants. Just CVT for all variants.. ditch the AT gearbox! Or is it too costly to pair CPS with CVT?
they should put CPS+CVT for the non CFE Bold variant.
dump that shitty 4 speeders, Proton.
yes, i want tro know too..why not CFE to all variant ?
Just done short test drive today..feel drive alone even 4 adult onboard… easily reach 140kmh on short straight road…my friend didn’t feel too fast even i tell him the speedometer around 130kmh at lil corner..interior & exterior look reasonable and i think can compete with other mpv in it class..i put it on my wishlist..
me too….i just went to proton showroom today with my brother and father…its quite responsive for this kind of mpv, 1.6cc with soft turbo….but only able to drive short distance due to long que!!!…its different from previous exora cps….even the mpv was loaded with 4 pax the torque still yummy (most of us weight more than 76kgs with height 175cm++), easily hit 140-150kmh on straight lane…thanks to large size of olid brake disc at the back, i manage to sudden stop the exora without shaking the whole body….the interior really nice…compare to wooden style consul, i love more on fake carbon finishing…more versatile!!!….i cant imagine if they put higher hp engine with extra torque, shoot the moon???…so proton, please install cfe engine in your sedan car!!!!….higher hp more torque!!….i’m not going to get exora since i’m still single!!…hahaha
bottomline is if the product is soo good, proton wont be struggling year in year out and khazanah wont be selling it away ……. parasite. …
Bottomline.. Daihatsu will leave msia n perodua soon an focus their small car msnufacturing in indonesia
Then perodua may ask gomen to help them by giving national car scheme more to daihatsu and later peridua csn assemble n rebadge lorry n van of daihatsu
Prffftthhhh…
test drive it today and i feel want to sell back my 8 month Persona Elegance H Line for this MPV..power given by CFE are awesome, engine are so powerful and plus with CVT gearbox.it become more smooth than previous model.
just wait for tuah/persona R if you want a sedan with cfe , just around the corner
Tested today. 4 Important point tested.
1. Driving at 60km\h, do slolmn test on wet road. R & H works fine, no Body rolling or skidding.
2. 15 Degree slope, from stop. Just lift up brake and this CFE starts to move uphill. Maintain RPM about 1600 and it passes the 300m uphill slope without problem.
3. CVT button off. This CFE feels like normal AT. CVT button On, smooth ride and response.
4. Gear on L, CVT button off, and it’s A Racer…. (forget to look at the salesman’s face)
Bro,
SAT button kan?…Stepped Automatic Transmission for CVT, feel like normal A/T gb. But, most said better SAT off for proton..dunno la…
i have driven exora bold today..sudah jatuh cinta sama ini keta..engine very smooth and acceleration is impressive..the additional non-striking brown color on the seats is nice actually. definitely wanna own one next year.
look at u guys punyer komen, i must go n test drive this mpv!!
Tested it today.., this MPV is sooo easy to drive… not to mention the power. The CVT is very-very good. My wife tested it too and she could not stop asking me when to book one.
The interior is good but can be better, probably because Proton wants to make sure the price is below 80k.
If I must criticise, the engine noise should be silenced further. This is family MPV, the quieter the better. Although I must admit I didnt test it long enough or fast enough to properly gauge the wind, tyre and engine noise.
I think Proton can probably make a Supreme version where the interior is very luxurious, why not? The engine is certainly more than capable. The volume may not much but I think there is demand for luxurious MPV below 100k.
Verdict, if you are looking for an MPV, look no further!
engine noise? i simply love it when the turbo spins up every time you floor the pedal…whiiizzzzzz…oh joy! =)
didn’t hear any engine noise yesterday when i tested the car..the only sound i heard was during the initial take-off..and the sound was not loud..:))
After test drive,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, woh woh woh…… tumb up for proton… very powerful at start….other brand at this range will totally out …cannot compete…. try test drive you will know what i am saying… present I am driving Lancer GT
aku nak beli satu…….
Tested Inspira this morning without knowing there was new exora launch. Salesman insisted me to test drive the new exora. Driving Inspira was that not impressive but I was amazed with exora. A car you need to consider before buying CRV, Estima….or even Harirer 240…. Test first before you think its worth to spend your extra money on those…
Best Proton’s product so far..
Was went to plentong today.saw the prime. Totally different from pic posted. Thewood effect for me totally blend wth overal design of the car. The effect create luxurios effect and ix with contemporary feel. See it for yourself to believe. Awesome job p1
What ever u want to say…
Pg td aku dah booking Exora CFE Bold.
D/P RM15K…loan RM65K…monthly +/- RM757 9 years.
NCB 55%.
May b next Januari dapat stok.
Duit masing2…x perlu nak bising2.
Yg bising tu biasanya x beli…mengata jer lebih.
Oh, oh ………. your money lor ………. ok diam diam, tapi vendor kroni will laugh all the way to bank to fill in their kitty, knowing very well that there are still “loyal chap” out there can be easily conned, and willing to fork out monies over 9 year period to support them. TQ very much and looking for more such transactions.
so what? r u jealous his money not going into your pocket?
I hope eveybody here gives rational comments. No more name calling, animal this and that, he’s stupid – I’m smarter of sort. What are we????
wait until 2 years then cvt and engine blown,then menyesal!! Bad drivetrain choice.
Wow! u got psychic power hah? know what will happen in 2 years time? can provide service for public or not?
Finally, the verdicts are out there, let look at the hp/kerb weight ratio: –
1) Exora (125hp/1,433kg) = 87.23 hp per ton
2) Exora CFE (138hp/1,433kg) = 96.30 hp per ton
3) Innova (136hp/1,575kg) = 86.35 hp per ton
4) G Livina (126hp/1,245kg) = 101.20 hp per ton
Based on the above results, the indications are: –
1) Previously, many owners of Exora and Innova both commented overwhelmingly that their MPV are “under-power”.
2) There are many G Livina owners out there never commented that their MPV engine is so “powerful”, except general feedback is that it is fuel saving new engine from Nissan.
3) Based on above hp/kerb weight ratio, Exora CFE improvement is around 10% over non CFE engine. However, it is still lower than that of G Livina.
Now let look at the craps and syiok sendiri self praise of all those blinds supporters for this jaguh kampong shitty MPV, inter-alia: –
“..power given by CFE are awesome, engine are so powerful” ……. – freako
“very powerful at start….other brand at this range will totally out …cannot compete….” – kkt
“Tested it today.., this MPV is sooo easy to drive… not to mention the power.” – rosdi
“Overall i’m quite satisfied with the new CFE engine.I dare say this is better still than Wish 1.8 and Stream 1.8 anytime!” – Norman
“….its different from previous exora cps….even the mpv was loaded with 4 pax the torque still yummy (most of us weight more than 76kgs with height 175cm++), easily hit 140-150kmh on straight lane…” – ajam
“manage to have a spin in EXORA CFE just after the showroom open in Kangar today…WOWWWW I LIKE….very very Slight turbo lag initially but CVT ease it’s movement after that…managed to hit 140km/h in dunno how many seconds but the performance was on par with CAmry 2.0G…maybe better….sorry toyoDUA supporters…YOU HAVE BEEN BEATEN” – maaajeeedaaa
And the worst un-quote of the quote is –
“So those driving 1.5 auto myvi, eventhough it has extreme name, dont cucuk2 cfe exora, not only because of dangering lives, but also dangering urself being smoke by nearly 1.5 tonne mpv ..for manual myvi LPLB se@extreme, u can try out,but remember,if u cannot shift fast enough, u will also be smoke by this gabak mpv coz this gabak mpv comes with cvt(no shifting required), but if exora bold owner shift from D mode to L mode, be prepared to be smoked by them” – mat
Looking at hp/kerb weight ratio, G Livina MR18DE 1.8L engine should be “more powerful” than Exora CFE 1.6L. However, it is hardly to find in G Livina posting by PT blog that said the G L is “very powerful” MPV unlike, “freak wow comments” like what all those idiot blind supporters did on Exora!
Many GL owners, and I also driving GL before, just felt GL is a small safe MPV for family with decent power to move from Point A to B, but on consensus, many agreed it is fuel saving engine.
Further, some of them test drive at more than the legal speed limit, behave like a F1 drivers or dragster with spin action some more, …………very pathetic! The P1 salesman should control this dangerous driver behavior or bar them from test drive.
Look at the above blind brainless comments, it is hope that these goup of idiots don’t buy Exora CFE, as it is likely they may end up a dangerous and irresponsible drivers thinking that they are “king of the road” inside Exora CFE, that endanger other road users! This is especially true for the last un-quote of the quote from this mad P1 salesman cyber-trooper (i.e. if what he is writing is taken as to be true).
Enough said, let the idiot blind supporters click as many thumb down as they want, but the truth always hurt! The more they click thumb down, it is construe as the truth hurt them more!
how about you compare it with torque since torque is so much important than hp for an mpv…. oh i see, right, i help you calculate:
exora cfe 205Nm/1433kg=143.056Nm/tonne
grandlivina 1.8 174Nm/1245kg= 139.76Nm/tonne
innova 2.0 182Nm/1575kg=115.56Nm/tonne
lol…. exora cfe is the winner here for a TRUE mpv car (where torque matters compared to hp).. and bear in mind, that torque is available as low as 2000rpm while livina at 4800rpm… do you know why torque is needed for an mpv car?? it is because torque is what pulling the car to move – http://cdn0.paultan.org/image/cfe-1.jpg
Come up bro, Expat VN don’t know what torque figure means. His auto knowledge is just limited to hp & apparently Peugeot color option. That’s all.
I pity him in a way. Posting that lengthy comment hoping that people would appreciate his auto knowledge and yet somehow it further expose what kind of people he is. An idiot with lots of anger.
Why are you comparing the Exora with a 1.8L Livina which costs 99k (20k more than the Premium CVT) when there is the 1.6L version that is closer in price to the Exora? Is it because the 1.6L Livina only produces 105hp (86.07 hp per ton) so that would make your argument invalid?
Plus are you expecting an MPV to be driving around without any passengers or cargo? Add in the weight of 7 passengers and some cargo, and you’ll find that Exora CFE’s numbers pretty much match even the 1.8L Livina
You like to call other people idiots, so I guess you should be smart enough to know that when it comes to acceleration, what matters is torque, not power. And the lower RPMs that it comes the better. So why don’t you compare the torque numbers? Is it because if you do, the Exora CFE’s numbers will again be better.
And what’s wrong with people commenting about the car’s power? With the original Exora people have always been complaining about the poor acceleration. This has even stopped some from buying it. The CFE is supposed to fix this and this is the single biggest difference between the 2 versions. So of course people are going to comment about the power. What do you want them to talk about then? The fake wood trim?
Dey VN, don’t compare the HP la.. but the TORQUE!!
She is selecting certain ‘fact’ for the purpose only known to her. One thing for certain, she did not even test drive it yet.
Sorry off topic but to answer your pathetic comment! You have a problem to understand the term gender, and maybe sex as well. Is there a diffirent in gender and sex? Yes, at least from social “construct” perspective and medical practitioner point of view.
“Gender” is refer to sexual orientation of the person which may different from their sex recorded at the time of birth (Male and Female). Brother, jagan malas, go google wikipedia for “gender” and “sex”, then you get details explanation.
why areyou so butthurt? please calculate your power to weight ratio through Nm/kg , not hp/kg. exora pawns all (except pug 5008 which is far more expensive, but still has smaller 3rd row seats than exora’s), you have to admit it, whether you like it or not
penat baca woo..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-to-weight_ratio
cuma kalau dlm wiki tu, kalau kira guna unit hp kena convert kg ke lbs dulu, baru kira ratio..
btw, dlm nissan punya website GL 1.6 punya hp ialah 105 hp bukan 126 hp bro. 126 hp tu GL 1.8 punya :)
http://www.nissan.com.my/vehicles/grand_livina/#spec
http://www.toyota.com.my/innova/specs-and-price/
so kalau ikut bro ‘punya kalkulator’:
mengikut turutan terpower (konon)-
GL 1.8 (126 hp /1280 kg) refer nissan web = 98.43 hp per ton
CFE 1.6(138 hp/1480 kg) berat cfe ikut brosure = 93.24 hp per ton
Innova 2.0 G AT (136 hp/1610 kg) refer toyota web = 84.47 hp per ton
GL 1.6 (105hp / 1245kg) refer nissan web = 84.33 hp per ton
interesting fact!
tapi aku takkan petik komen2 orang lain la, nak buat pe… suka hati depa la..
one more thing, aku setuju bab test ‘power’ dgn test ‘top speed’ ni lain2, abt torque and hp… jgn test kat public, naya kalau langgar anak org.
btw, dari segi torque (Nm/rpm) camne pulak ek comparison nyer? kena bahagi mass/weight jugak ke bro?
CFE 1.6 = 205 Nm at 2000 – 4000 rpm
Innova 2.0 = 182 Nm at 4000 rpm
GL 1.8 = 174 Nm at 4800 rpm
GL 1.6 = 150 Nm at 4400 rpm
;-)
aiyo this fella know nothing la, the problem with previous exora is torque, not hp la dey.. aiyo maa..
lol what an idiot. torque is more important in an MPV.
BTW, Grand Livina is just an overrated station wagon. not an MPV
xtau tapi buat2 tau…
Expatriate VN – kesian kat ang..haha
Expat Vietnam go eat your pho & banh mi!
I think you don’t even owned a car that’s why you talk nonsense here
Go take your “motor buruk” and fly kite!
An ga? mo?ng ?o? ho?c ga? b?n m??i l?m kilo, ngon – “tasty”!
You talk about ph? (th?t bò, gà or cá) just like talking outdated non CFE Exora, latest crave in the market is iph? (got T-shirt print somemore)!
An (eat) bánh mì! ok, the best I tested is the famous crunchy from Liên Hoa Restaurant, Sô? (No.) 17, 19 & 21, ????ng Phô? 3 Tha?ng 2 (3/2 Street) near Ch? Da? La?t – Market, TP Da? La?t (Dalat City).
Also, you said that I have “motor buruk” @ “c? xe máy” is already put me at better position, I has one ASAMA brand “xe ?a?p” only!
Thank you Dato Seri, at least you share something Vietnamese!
chúc m?ng n?m m?i 2012 (happy new year 2012)!
How come PT blog can’t accept partly or wholly VN writing system, if remove all or partly the tone symbol and VN alphabets, then the writing should be read as follows: –
An ga mong do hoac ga bon muoi lam kilo, ngon – “tasty”!
You talk about pho (thit bò, gà or cá) just like talking outdated non CFE Exora, latest crave in the market is ipho (got T-shirt print somemore)!
An (eat) bánh mì! ok, the best I tested is the famous crunchy from Liên Hoa Restaurant, Sô (No.) 17, 19 & 21, Duong Phô 3 Thang 2 (3/2 Street) near Cho Da Lat – Market, TP Da Lat (Dalat City).
Also, you said that I have “motor buruk” @ “cu xe máy” is already put me at better position, I has one ASAMA brand “xe dap” only!
Thank you Dato Seri, at least you share something Vietnamese!
chúc mung nam mui 2012 (happy new year 2012)!
seriously, i pity you.. (hahahaha!)
I’ve tested yesterday afternoon….its good, covering almost 20km in city, up hills and housing estate. I feel the interior quite luxury and engine quite powerful ( i’m comparing with my waja CPS manual)….even a guy who tested it with me are considering it….he kept saying, its powerful, pickup is good.
Now….keep thinking how and when to sell my Waja CPS (I still love to drive it) for this Bold. Hopefully next year can get the Bold Premium.
dah test drive this afternoon. felt soooo goooodddd. best proton model so far. PEDULI la apa si Expatriate VN punya karangan kat atas tu. Aku memang nk beli satu. lain orang lain taste.
went for a test drive this afternoon and i was so addicted to flooring the throttle…and i simply LOVE the turbo whine…who needs the stereo when you can have such a beautiful soundtrack? thumbs up to proton engineers…you’ve come a long way…and this is definitely something you can be proud of…hold your heads up high! =)
So much for marketing strategy, after this,
– Current EXORAs non CFE confirmed to be underpowered.
– Current EXORAs non CFE confirmed to be gas guzzlers.
– Current EXORAs non CFE owners feel betrayed.
– Current EXORAs non CFE sales will drop. Who’d buy a confirmed underpowered & gas guzzlers MPV?
– EXORA non CFE will be available cheaply in the 2nd hand market.
Somehow I feel PROTON’s top brass failed to see this coming!
happen to most of the manufactures.. especially korean.. no impact to T & H..
new myvi 1.5 tag line
,, lagi best.. lagi power
means current 1.3 myvi to be underpower and tak best..
and non 1.5 myvi wil be cheap in 2nd hand market
prrrtfhhhh
Yes right…but wait la for at least 5 years to come up with this new engine, kesian those previous buyers and previous stocks.. baru 2 tahun pakai dah ada model yang lagi best..hutang pun berlambak lagi…telan air liur tengok EXORA CFE…..mehhh..
after 2 years normally car manufacturers come up with this and there facelift..but..mehhh..
pity those current EXORA non CFE owners…u r owned!
at least they have paid loan fror 2 years, only another 3 years to finish , then when cfe owners still use turbocharged engines, he can already switch to reev or ev car. so no butthurt
welcome to new era bro.. ini bukan thn 80an.. model keta setiap 10 thn…
and i believe u never been in Japan or other developed countries, new model come out every 5 years and facelift model come out almost every year..
its impossible to satisfy everybody. too quick launching, kena kata. late model launch, also kena tiau. i still remember people bashing proton kau-kau because this turbo engine should debut earlier this year. now even this very late on, still kena tiau. i think i read in this blog about a new model to be designed during the launching of the same model. korean make i think…
I have test-driven one this morning at Glenmarie 3S center. I managed to drive on a windy road with slight uphill and downhill (it somehow like a ‘jalan belakang’ road). To my surprise the handling is superb! at least superior than my dad’s Chevy Nabira. I don’t think EPS is really needed. The setup for the steering is already good. Not heavy nor light, just right. You can really feel the torque. There’s sudden urge of power when reached 2000rpm. The NVH, is the best among other Proton I believe. Very quite even at 100kmh. I didn’t even notice that I already reached that speed. Braking is very responsive. I just step a little a bit on the pedal and already feel the braking power to stop this MPV. The only thing that I dislike is CVT since I am a petrol head . I can almost have no feel that the car is moving. Thought this car is slow but actually it’s the good NVH and no gear shifting feel. At the price tag of RM80k, Exora Bold is the most worth for money MPV in our market currently. If I have 3 children I’m sure go for Exora rather than Inspira. The only downside is the logo. If this car has T or H or N or M sure will be a big hit Well I think Proton already gained their market back since the the launch of Saga and Persona. Exora besides the underpowered engine, the quality seems ok. Never heard any complaint. And now Proton has came up with CFE which solved the underpowered problem. Hope they will keep up the momentum. Way to go Proton!
Expat VN,
Read ur post…..well you got a point in all your post, well written and i believe you speak with facts.
No offence, if you don’t like Exora, you can skip this thread. No need to labeled those potential buyers are idiot or stupid or whatever you call… who do you think you are ?? If you hate Proton so much, fine…its your choice and your will. Don’t blame others supporting this CFE
People have choice…If they buy one, do they borrow any money from you ? They don’t owe you a cent. It just none of your business.
kepada mereka yang gembira dengan perubahan yang dibuat oleh Pihak Proton Holding saya mengucapkan ribuan terima kasih. dan kepada mereka yang mengkritik juga saya ingin mengingatkan bahawa jaganlah terburu-buru membuat kritikan, tidak ada salahnya bagi anda cuba memandu uji kereta-kereta kami TANPA INGIN MEMBELINYA… kerana bagi mereka yang mahir serta peka terhadap sistem ini, ianya amat berpatutan serta jaminan alat ganti jauh lebih menjanjikan.
And please also make sure your Service Centre Guys, please do change their attitude towards customer complaint. Be professional and helpful to the needy Proton Car Owner.
I don’t want them to repeat silly attitude especially from Technical Department which handles all technical issue of Proton Cars.
Definitely will put this in my wish list. For family ride :) the size will comfort for 7 passengers not like some others mini mpv. with turbo, definitely will suit the body. 1.6? cheaper roadtax :D
tahniah proton…biarkan basher hidup dalam dunia mereka sendiri…tahniah!!
to the owners of the existing Exora, don’t be sad. you still can catch up with these CFE owners.
i suggest to put custom BOT built by Xenon Motorsports into your car (put stage 1 minor mod enough ler lol). don’t worry, these guys are pros, not like those cheap ah beng modders lol. they even turboed new Conti cars.
example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ido53dJvLWY
Pros:
-a little higher power than CFE,
-better AVERAGE FC than CPS since you don’t need to rev high (and its a custom BOT w/ old GBox, what do you expect lol),
-works for AT transmission,
-pretty reliable (some of these guys has run it for over a year and still no probs)
-they use REAL quality parts (Siemens ECU, Mitsu turbo, they even done extensive R&D), not like those cheap ahbeng shit.
-they give you warranty on engine after installing their turbo. in case if your engine fails, they’ll replace the failed parts. (maybe the whole engine, i dunno lol. but such case never happen)
-you don’t need to install those many stupid meters if stage 1 lol.
Cons:
-engine a little noisier than CPS
-higher FC than CPS, IF you don’t watch your RPM
-Proton service centre can’t do anything on your engine, if your engine fails (never happen yet). however many parts are still the same.
but i think if you have the money, just get the Bold CFE, or the Prime next year.
for those that are skeptical about the figures, please take a test drive…it’s worth it…
for me, this new exora bold is the most value for money mpv currently. went to test drive it this morning! cayalah proton!
expat2,aku ckp bm lah coz ko ssh nk phm dlm bi. Bila aku tanya yg ko dok canang2 eastar, livina n innova akan beat cfe exora dlm co2 output n ncap, ko ckp xda maklumat kat malaysia, kat luar negara byk maklumat.
Dah tu, internet ni dlm malaysia je ke, ko bleh g browse sume web dlm dunia n euroncap, sesapa jek bleh masuk website tuh, carilah kat euroncap ada ke tidak ncap nye?
Pastu ko duk auta psl hp plak. Btl, power to weight ratio krg ckit, tp tgk plak torque dia. Peak hp pun sampai lebih awal pada 5k rpm berbanding mpv yg ko sebut, torque dia lebih n cpai lebih awal dan flat dr 2k-4krpm.
Klu ko tgk graf torque cfe,walupun dia drop kat 4k, tp drop ckit jek,masih tinggi sampai 5k rpm,br dive.
So,klu ko silangkan graf torque n hp, ko akan dpt tgk mcmmana broad n wide powerband cfe nih.
Klu ko dpt cari graf torque livina, innova,eastar ke, apabila dia sampai peak torque, dia kan menjunam turun coz enjin na. Jadi torque akan berkurangan sblm sampai peak hp menyebabkan enjin akan ngaum n lambat utk naik ke peak hp coz torque dh kurang sgt2.
Sama jugak cps, walupun pd exora, power dia xcukup kuat, tp klu tgk graf hp n torque klu ko cross kan, ko akan nampak,walupun peak toque kt 4.5k rpm,tp dia drop pelan2 sampai ke peak hp pada 6.5k rpm. Pd 4k rpm,cps punya torque dlm 145++nm.
Maksudnya, atas enjin alone, dr 4k rpm keatas sampai 6.5k, enjin cps pun akan perform lg baik dr enjin ko sebut2kan diatas. Cume kelemahan dia rpm bwh. Klu kat berat sama ngan g.livina, dia lg power,tp klu brt exora,mmgla lembab ckit,power akan terasa bila sampai 3krpm.
Powerloss at mitsu mmg kuat tarik power enjin cps,dlm 20% loss. Sbb tuh klu bwk manual exora cps,lg baik power dia coz powerloss mitsu manual dlm 12% jek.
Pwr loss gear manual yg baik cam dr getrag,hanya 5-10% shj, begitu juga cvt.
Cvt plak xda pwrloss ketika shifting,xmcm manual n at.
Klu ko banding at kat livina,eastar,innova dgn cvt cfe,ko silap. Klu ko bwk livina cnth,stiap kali shifting,pwr akan hilang coz rpm akan drop, contoh,dlm gear 1,dh rev sampai 4250 rpm, sampai torque peak, tp bila masuk gear dia, rpm akan drop cnth 3krpm, so torque berkurangan coz pd 3k rpm,torque rendah n ko kena rev lg sampai 4250rpm utk achieve torque yg sama, n begitulah terjadi seterusnya.
Kat cvt cfe,ko hanya perlu rev 2k rpm jek, torque akan maintain sampai ke speed yg ko khendaki, tiada pwrloss.
Psl tax, nantilah aku cite n bg link camne tax kenderaan n ko tgk ckit yg xda tax free kete msia n perbezaan ckd hanya 10% shj dr kete tempatan n cbu hanya 30% shj pd cc yg sama. Bukan 300% mcm yg dicanang2kan.
Peace
this car is awesome….and affordable in any way…
satu lg expat, ko ada quote aku ckp yg myvi extreme 1.5 auto jgn cuba main2 ngan exo cfe, n manual juga jgn cube2, ko ckp aku bs.
Ko bukak sendiri website proton edar, dlm brochure ada kesilapan, dan mmg marketing dept prtn mmg teruk sampai buat brochure buat silap.
Exora bold cfe cvt 11.3 saat 0-100kmh
myvi extreme auto 12.49 saat 0-100kmh
myvi extreme manual 9.98(xnampak beza 0.02 saat,sepatutnya 10 saat, tp pandaila marketing perodua guna no, mcm jualan rm9.98,nampak murah bwh rm10,tp 2 sen jek kurang) saat 0-100kmh
itu atas kertas, tp kena ingat, klu yg manual,diuji oleh profesional,fast shifting, klu org biasa, setiap shifting,akan hilang beberapa saat..
Myvi xtreme 0-100kmh,xsilap,kena slot gear 3 br cecah speed tuh, so ada 3 kali hilang masa. So,ko kiralah berapa saat kena tambah.
Begitu juga yg auto, tp kita ikut figurelah sbb auto shifting sendiri.
Dah terang lg nyata,exora bold cfe lg pantas dr myvi extreme, 11.3 versus 12.49.
Manakala bg manual myvi, kena ingat, ada loss of time masa shifting, cfe pkai cvt,xda shifting, so timing konsisten. Klu flx cvt 1.3 pun dpt 13.2 saat real world timing(cari sendiri dlm youtube),dlm brochure n website tulis 14.5 saat. Klu cfe, mgkin bleh dpt 10 saat 0-100kmh klu ikutkan flx punya timing.
So expat, ko ckp aku ckp ngarut, so sapa ngarut nih? Jilatla ludah ko sendiri.
Aku bkn salesman prtn. Aku buat freelance sales kete ape2 aje, jepun ke,koreake,conti ke,prtn ke n etc, itu sambilan. Aku keje lain full time n xda kena mngena ngan prtn lgsung keje aku.
Walupun aku tau expat ni ngarut,tp suka lyn dia coz lg dia ckp,lg nampak kebodohan dia.
Mcm dia ckp psl innova, eastar,livina, dia ckp xdpt bg data co2 output n ncap kerana xleh google, coz kete jual kat msia xda data tuh, n kete2 yg dinyatakan jual kat asean country aje, jd xda data tuh.
Nampak x kebodohan dia, dia ckp kete2 dia mention adalah kete ASEAN countries, sejak bila euroncap mai asia testing kete. Euro ncap utk kete pasaran europe ajek, ancap utk pasaran australia ajek, nhtsa utk amerika ajek, cncap utk cina ajek .
So mana dtgnya ncap negara asean?
Semua ncap rating, kete diambil oleh badan ncap sendiri, bukan kita bleh suka2 bg kat dia. Klu euroncap xnak amik kete prtn utk test, bkn slh prtn, bukan prtn bleh paksapun.
Idiada antara tempat buat crash testing mana2 manufacturer dlm dunia nih selain internal crash test kat lab masing2. Sekurang2nya, proton validate crash test internal dia dgn 3rd party luar. Bukan buat internal semata2 n syok sendiri. Idiada n euroncap ada link, sbb tuh klu tgk kat euroncap kete yg dia testing, ada logo idiada coz dia iktiraf idiada buat test sama standard ngan dia.
Ssh ada manusia bangang. Tp, best jugak. Meh,lwn lg expat, bg fakta,eh silap,bg auta ko lg, xsabo nak baca bs bs bs ko.
I just test drove the Exora Bold Premium CVT this afternoon. Overall I think it has an extremely high value for money proposition – Less than 80K, sweet spot in terms of specs and price. The Exora was easy to handle, feels sure footed, NVH is good, pickup is good (4 person in the car), doesn’t seem to have any hesitation in the get go.
I think Proton has hit the nail on the head. Definitely will get this as my next car (currently driving a 6 yrs old Honda City VTEC) definitely feels much more premium compared to my current ride.
satu lg expat, ko ada quote aku ckp yg myvi extreme 1.5 auto jgn cuba main2 ngan exo cfe, n manual juga jgn cube2, ko ckp aku bs.
Ko bukak sendiri website proton edar, dlm brochure ada kesilapan, dan mmg marketing dept prtn mmg teruk sampai buat brochure buat silap.
Exora bold cfe cvt 11.3 saat 0-100kmh
myvi extreme auto 12.49 saat 0-100kmh
myvi extreme manual 9.98(xnampak beza 0.02 saat,sepatutnya 10 saat, tp pandaila marketing perodua guna no, mcm jualan rm9.98,nampak murah bwh rm10,tp 2 sen jek kurang) saat 0-100kmh
itu atas kertas, tp kena ingat, klu yg manual,diuji oleh profesional,fast shifting, klu org biasa, setiap shifting,akan hilang beberapa saat..
Myvi xtreme 0-100kmh,xsilap,kena slot gear 3 br cecah speed tuh, so ada 3 kali hilang masa. So,ko kiralah berapa saat kena tambah.
Begitu juga yg auto, tp kita ikut figurelah sbb auto shifting sendiri.
Dah terang lg nyata,exora bold cfe lg pantas dr myvi extreme, 11.3 versus 12.49.
Manakala bg manual myvi, kena ingat, ada loss of time masa shifting, cfe pkai cvt,xda shifting, so timing konsisten. Klu flx cvt 1.3 pun dpt 13.2 saat real world timing(cari sendiri dlm youtube),dlm brochure n website tulis 14.5 saat. Klu cfe, mgkin bleh dpt 10 saat 0-100kmh klu ikutkan flx punya timing.
So expat, ko ckp aku ckp ngarut, so sapa ngarut nih? Jilatla ludah ko sendiri.
Aku bkn salesman prtn. Aku buat freelance sales kete ape2 aje, jepun ke,koreake,conti ke,prtn ke n etc, itu sambilan. Aku keje lain full time n xda kena mngena ngan prtn lgsung keje aku.
Walupun aku tau expat ni ngarut,tp suka lyn dia coz lg dia ckp,lg nampak kebodohan dia.
Mcm dia ckp psl innova, eastar,livina, dia ckp xdpt bg data co2 output n ncap kerana xleh google, coz kete jual kat msia xda data tuh, n kete2 yg dinyatakan jual kat asean country aje, jd xda data tuh.
Nampak x kebodohan dia, dia ckp kete2 dia mention adalah kete ASEAN countries, sejak bila euroncap mai asia testing kete. Euro ncap utk kete pasaran europe ajek, ancap utk pasaran australia ajek, nhtsa utk amerika ajek, cncap utk cina ajek .
So mana dtgnya ncap negara asean?
Semua ncap rating, kete diambil oleh badan ncap sendiri, bukan kita bleh suka2 bg kat dia. Klu euroncap xnak amik kete prtn utk test, bkn slh prtn, bukan prtn bleh paksapun.
Idiada antara tempat buat crash testing mana2 manufacturer dlm dunia nih selain internal crash test kat lab masing2. Sekurang2nya, proton validate crash test internal dia dgn 3rd party luar. Bukan buat internal semata2 n syok sendiri. Idiada n euroncap ada link, sbb tuh klu tgk kat euroncap kete yg dia testing, ada logo idiada coz dia iktiraf idiada buat test sama standard ngan dia.
Ssh ada manusia bangang. Tp, best jugak. Meh,lwn lg expat, bg fakta,eh silap,bg auta ko lg, xsabo nak baca bs bs bs ko…
wah sudah pakai aneka jenis cap yer.
jgn la over tech ini.
kita hanya mahu tahu improvement over model lama dan mereka yg sudah test drive.
yg comment itu handling mcm ferari…..cornering solid……itu dah tau majikan mereka lah.
skrg pun volvo merc pun pakai turbo dgn engin kecil, so jalan ini mmg patut.
Kalo tak salah kalau kereta bold ini make it to US ke Rusia ke….kena ikut test mereka kan?
Kat sini, kita boleh control sikit, kat sano….payah byk. Mana tahu biji mana yg akan dipilih utk ujian ya.
Sekian terimakasih, Proud owner of Proton, if it has squeaks for the 4 mth old Fl atau hujan blessing for the 2006. Ok lah, budget pun mcm itu shj ma.
aku malas nak layan si bodoh VN tu, tapi kalau kita tak ‘reply’, mungkin lebih ramai terhasut dengan kebodohan yang sama macam tu. aku takde problem dengan sesiapa yang criticise secara constructive. we all can agree to disagree. dan aku rasa PT sepatutnya monitor, comment yang berbentuk “bashing” atau destructive macam si vietnamese tu patut dihalang.
aku dah penat layan dia, tapi aku teruskan juga sebab aku tak mau orang lain diperbodohkan. mengajar orang yang ‘tak tahu’ lebih senang daripada orang yang perasan pandai macam si bodoh VN ni.
Oh, oh, banyak terima kasih lor …….. cakap saya bodoh tapi masih layan aku ni.
Sudah penat layan tapi teruskan juga ………….. wah banyak berjasa dan sumbangan …….. pandai pandai tapi “farting from mouth, talking from asshole”.
Same la…we also kenot tahan you and your P1 troopers’ crap, so we have “respond”. Talk facts and make proper comparisons. In that way, nobody will have anything to say, vice versa.
A good product, no need for so much “publicity” by you P1 troopers. Ppl will testdrive, and if bagus, will buy. But when you P1 troopers OVERBLOW things and make CRAP comparisons, what do you expect in return ?
so why do you have problem with those who have already test drive it and wrote their comments here? why do you label them as P1 troopers just because they wrote positive things about this CFE? we did talk facts, but the P1 bashers like you hoochiez, bodoh VN, alfie and syoh are the ones who couldn’t accept the facts and keep living in denial. now tell us what facts do you have and how do you want to compare Exora to anything else?
Hoochiez = Expatriate VN
pity…i think you are alone
and lonely
which crap? which overblown things? which “publicity”?
1st Reply: –
Abang mahaguru mat, 1st tip, lain kali sabar sikit, PT banyak sibuk dan nak rehat jugak. Jangan posting dua kali dalam masa yang beza hanya 1 jam 27 mins. Mungking hang ni takut posting awak tak keluoq. Lain kali taip kat Microsoft word, lepas tu cut and paste kat ruang “Leave a Comment” kat PT Blog, record date dan masa posting, kalau orang lain posting lebih lambat sudah keluar,mungkin comment kamu tak sampai PT blog, lepas tu baru cut and paste kali x 2. Jangan bazir PT punya bandwidth.
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as always, when u fail to argue properly and intelligently, you’ll just rambling stupidly. and I said ‘as always’ because you did that almost every time. I know it’s easy for you to create lies and bullshit out of thin air, but very hard for you to accept the truth… you’re egoistic and too proud of yourself. bodoh sombong memang susah nak belajar. keep writing and you’re just making a fool of yourself.
Hang ni ultimate loser…bilalah Paultan nak ban…bosan aku…buat semak kepala je
Mewah la juga. Efficient
I like everything overall design and features… except how they think about back seat…
rasa2nya, kos service cfe ni mahal tak?….saya dah pandu uji, mmg best! Good quality. Syabas Proton.
bro, just to correct you, Nautica and rush both from Indonesia, made by Astra Daihatsu Motor, at Jakarta Barat.. I had been there and saw it by eyes.
IMHO, this is the best car by far being produced by Proton. I have test drove it and at some point I forgot that I was actually driving a local made car. There was some special feelings when driving the new exora bold. Interior wise is acceptable from my opinion but of course can’t compare with the likes of peugeot, citroen and such. I can predict that this model will be a hit providing that no problem with the new engine.
For anyone to believe, just set aside your hatred to the Proton brand and just see and test for yourself. Back in 2001 I bought a Waja so nasty in quality, I let it go exactly a year after I have run out of warranty. Lost a lot of money. Have bought a Mazda Protege, Perodua Kelisa, Kia Picanto and Nissan Sylphy ever since (sedan for me and small car for wifey).
Been looking for an MPV since last year and have kept my mind open about it. I don’t want to spend too much since it shall be a third car to carry family and occasional balik kampung only. So no Grandis, Estima and even the likes of Wish and Stream for me. Been testing Innova, Grand Livina and Eastar. Avanza kicked out from list the earliest. Each has its own drawback, I bet everyone knows what they were. Closest to buy the GL (would be a case of just take what’s available lah).
But one thing is I have been regularly driving (borrowing) my sis-in-law’s Exora MT Basic. I know it has almost everything a Malaysian need (again people, need…. not want). It has been nealy 2 years she owns it I think. General quality had surpassed my expectation because it is now nearly 100K km and she and husband are still happy. She drives daily to her work place in Bandar Penawar from her house near JB, and her husband occasionally to Tanjung Bin. Johoreans could imagine the distances.
What it doesn’t have is the engine. The CPS is barely enough for the MT so I know it would be even worse for the AT. So when the test drive for this CFE is available I knew I had to try it, and I’m impressed. Yes, the interior needs improving but I hope Proton will do it better next time (a wish, not a need). Since I already have a Sylphy, I know what to comment on the engine. Refinement is not there yet, neither does a Lancer. But for a 1.6L, the torque is impressive (and enough for me).
Talking about the price, I had always knew I want the Highline but there was no justification over it with the old CPS model. But it is thoroughly justified this time around. The CFE is only a few hundred RM premium over the CPS (look at the price list before add in accessories), but for a mere 4K+ the accessories list I think it’s ok and just about nail it for me. Price wise, Proton can do better but don’t need to fret about it lah ppl.
I will still wait a few months, because my family only wants it around middle of next year. By that time there would be enough user’s feedback. People who don’t want it, they probably don’t need it. So let them be. For the rest who do but too proud to admit, it’s their loss.
is it possible for P1 to introduce CFE engine on Persona Elegence H-Line?? make it as teaser before launching the replacement model..hope fuel consumption will be better… i’m waiting 4 it…although new design will come and replace it..i still love Persona Elegence H-Line..it’s just without CFE that put me off..otherwise i may had go 4 it…It’s just my 2 cents view & dream guys..;)
90 k for a local car?
I believe the masses (the rakyat) knows what’s best for themselves.
If we can afford (not that we don’t) to buy a 90k crap tin milo, I’m sure we can buy ourselves some good import brands.
Protong, you can dream on!
Enough is enough! No more Tin Milo quality vehicle please! Even if you put Ferrari engine inside there, enough is enough. Pintu taubat dah tutup.
*Sipping my hot milo while writing this comment.
what can i say, the engine put other N/A cars to shame, you cannot get equivalent jap/korean/other imported cars around that price or higher, i don’t know what’s the last time foreign cars have mild turbo inside its hood being sold here? airtrek?
what proton offers now is really a steal. mild turbo man, has factory warranty summore, not like ah beng turbo that you install in sunway! you don’t get any warranty if you blow up the engine!
tin milo? oh let me tell you that you are still in 90’s. please read more
Guys,
Nobody holier than thou, No car perfectly made in heaven, We human learn from our weakness.
Not long ago, when i grow up, nobody cares to look at my Dad Jap car, Toyota KE20?
Guess, where they are now?
We, learn to walk first before we drive Lambo
I always sipping my Tra Xanh (green tea) when post comment(s).
You see how cybertrooper hand at works, sure get more thumb down.
saw yours have more…lol
after reading all these comments pro n cons, i would say give credit where n when it is due. proton has improved over the years, and now with this mild turbo, it is worth considering to those who hv large family n would wan to consider a little extra muscle when they need it. dun compare to turbo supercharger lah, my best advice is to go for a test drive. that will give potential buyers the actual feel n practicality of this mpv. if the price tags suits ur budget, why not? otherwise, u can start looking for other makes as well but do pleae, take that test drive. personally, i wun buy cause i dun need a mpv, i am fine with my current sedan. keep an open mind, test drive then decide… hv a great week ahead
Ada x figure constant speed 60km/h accelerate to 90km/h..berapa seconds…
Ataupun 90km/h – 120km/h berapa seconds…
Aku pun suka kereta Proton aku.. dari mula2 pakai Iswara 1.5M sampai la Perdana v6 Enhanced Version 3 skrg nie.. Apa2 pun, tepuk poket tanya selera masing2 la.. Hohoho
Attn. to mat and others,
There are many motor-heads up-there argue until kingdom come home (i.e. some based on “cAmparison draft brochure” that car performance is based on TORQUE, not HP! Mat, since you are part-time all brands car seller, and I am former proud owners of 2 Proton cars for approximate 12 year (before DSZ time). In the spirit of learning and share information, let look at link below: –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-to-weight_ratio
“Power-to-weight ratio is a measurement of actual performance of any engine or power sources. It is also used as a measurement of performance of a vehicle as a whole, with the engine’s power output being divided by the weight (or mass) of the vehicle, to give a metric that is independent of the vehicle’s size”.
When Google for Torque-to-Weight ratio, “The page “Torque-to-weight ratio” does not exist……….., and most of other webpage discuss Power-to-Weight instead of Torque (exception is camparison brochure).
The Wikipedia clearly stated it is hp/kerb weight ratio with SI unit either kw/kg or hp/lb.
OK, now we used figure for Power-to-Kerb weight ratios and Torque provided by“Nak Tumpang Tanya Jer”: –
GL 1.8 (126 hp /1280 kg) refer nissan web = 98.43 hp per ton
CFE 1.6(138 hp/1480 kg) berat cfe ikut brosure = 93.24 hp per ton
Innova 2.0 G AT (136 hp/1610 kg) refer toyota web = 84.47 hp per ton
GL 1.6 (105hp / 1245kg) refer nissan web = 84.33 hp per ton
CFE 1.6 = 205 Nm at 2000 – 4000 rpm
Innova 2.0 = 182 Nm at 4000 rpm
GL 1.8 = 174 Nm at 4800 rpm
GL 1.6 = 150 Nm at 4400 rpm
Reason to compare to GL1.8 & Innova –
“Boosted with the more efficient 1.6L engine, customers will experience powerful performance which is comparable to a 2.0L engine, with much lower fuel consumption” (Source: PT Blog)
Formulae provided in Wikipedia: –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque
Torque,
T = r x F
T = rF Sin ?
Relationship between torque, power and energy
P = ? x ?
where P is power, ? is torque, ? is the angular velocity, and • represents the scalar product.
Torque is part of the basic specification of an engine: the power output of an engine is expressed as its torque multiplied by its rotational speed of the axis.
Comments: –
So, based on the above formule, the power output is related to the torque and rpm proportionately. In other word, the higher the Torque (N.m) and rpm, the higher the power output (hp). But high rpm might results in higher fuel consumption!
Therefore, high torque (N.m) at low rpm (round per minute) to produce higher power (hp) is “desirable” like what CFE is able to achieved!
OK, mat, with due respect to your knowledge, now I throw you some questions (and hope you willing and answer in an objective manner @ “strictly no-cock/bull-fighting”): –
1) My posting about power-to-weight ratio is based on reliable source like Wikipedia to compare the performance of car vis-à-vis “torque-to-weight” ratio as stated in “camparison draft brochure”. Which one is more appropriate? Any reason(s) for that?
2) Is it appropriate to use Torque-to-weight ratio for comparison, since such adoption will result in the SI unit for this ratio is N.m/kg?
3) If we use higher Torque only (i.e. CFE 1.6 = 205 Nm at 2000 – 4000 rpm) as indication of performance of car, that means we need more power (hp) or lower rpm (round per minute). But use of final figure for Torque only without taken into consideration the kerb weight of the car, it is not a ratio analysis. Therefore, can it be a valid comparison?
4) CFE 1.6 = 205 Nm at 2000 – 4000 rpm, is higher Torque than GL and Innova at lower rpm. Does this indicate better performance in term of power out-put at lower rpm that needed less petrol (fuel saving), or “end performance” of car irrespective of fuel efficiency?
5) Is it “camparison draft brochure” emphasize on Torque is just tell part of the story only, and not objective comparison of car performance?
Based on torque, power and energy formula relationship, I can agree that the “camparison draft brochure” claim that high Torque is important for contribute to higher hp, thus better performance. Further, low rpm shall contribute to fuel saving.
Mofaz, care to share, this time I can “agree to disagree”, and of course ready to accept your constructive comments!
Relationship between torque, power and energy
P = ? x ?
where P is power, ? is torque, ? is the angular velocity, and • represents the scalar product.
should be read as,
Relationship between torque, power and energy
P = T x w
where P is power, T is torque, w is the angular velocity, and • represents the scalar product.
stupid fella, ask same questions, how many times people answered already
Oh, you are the Lambo “maha pandai”, next time I put “radar” on all your comments, from then on ……………………..
Korang spend masa berjam-jam cari info semata2 nak gaduh kat sini apa pekdahnya? Guna kan masa yang terhad tu untuk buat benda2 yang lebih berfaedah… buat aktiviti riadah pun ada gak bagusnya.
Dahlah.. aku nak pergi bersenam….
when other people quote from wiki, you said it’s unreliable. now you yourself mentioned that wiki is reliable… wiki is ok for you but not anybody else? fine. from the previous graph, we compare CFE vs 2.0 (innova)
Horsepower = Torque x RPM / 5252, so, at 2000rpm;
CFE produces 205×2000/5252 = 78hp
Innova produces 170×2000/5252 = 65hp only
do you see that CFE produces higher HP and quicker than 2.0 Innova? so, even if Exora CFE and Innova have almost similar peak HP (138 vs 136 HP), CFE could achieve higher HP much sooner than Innova. this is because CFE has much higher TORQUE at low RPM! so, if the weight of Exora and Innova are similar, Exora will sprint faster than Innova. this is why we said torque is very important at stop and go traffic.
yes we commonly use power to weight ratio, but don’t just looking at peak HP. peak HP usually achieved at around 4-5K rpm and we rarely drive at that rpm range. many cars could easily cruising 110kmh with rpm around 3k. what’s more important is how fast can you get that power.
aiya, VN i petik komen gua pulak. tapi bro belum convert and using the correct unit SI lagi tu bro… hehehe
mr expat,aku main internet,jrg pkai pc, pkai hp jek, senang,mobile n kecik, bleh g mana2,guna laptop masa wat keje rasmi ajek.
Aku dh ckp sblm nih,klu silap taip coz guna handphone, aku send sekali jek, tp kdg2 termasuk double. Handphone ko xda internet ke?
Tryler surf pkai smartphone ke, pda ke,tablet ke, dunia dah makin maju. Jgnler ketinggalan asyik ckp msword jek bleh taip,byk menda lg bleh buat.
So,blajo2lah update diri tuh,jgn ketinggalan. Aku dah bagi angka yg aku xpetik dr langit, bile plak ko nak jawab soklan aku kat atas td?
Jawabler, ko kan pandai bg fakta, pastuh salahkan mister google xbg ko jawapan,pastuh slhkan undang2 kat msia xbg data. Bila masa ncap mana2 test kete ko sebut tuh?
Fakta ko ckppun petik dr langit,pastu ada yg nyokong auta ko tuh.
Klu ko nak tgk tax brp kat malaysia, ko masuk laman web maa, ko cr tax structure. Klu nak tau cara kira, ko masuk laman web kastam malaysia, ada pun mamat tuh bg link kat atas.
So,ko ckp aku petik fakta dr langit ke?
Sume kendaraan dlm msia,local made ke,import ke(utk pngetahuan, cbu n ckd dikategori sebagai import,cume cbu dipanggil fully imported,cbu n ckd punya meaning,sume tau), kena sales tax 10%.
Duti eksais bg kenderaan bermotor(kete termasuk racing@sport car) local@import, pada kapasiti 1800 cc kebwh,duti eksaisnya 75%.
Ckd dikenakan tambahan duti import sebanyak 10%, cbu 30%.
Klu mpv mcm avanza 1.3, duti import xdikenakan langsung, hanya byr duti eksais 60% n sales tax 10%.
Manakala exora byr duti eksais 65% n sales tax 10%(alamak,camne tax exora lg tinggi 5% tp avanza 1.3 mahal jugak rega dia?)
ko baca n tgklah sendiri, maleh aku tlg kira n trg panjang2 kat ko, smoga dpt tingkatkan habit membaca ko dr seorg pemalas nak baca.
mr expat,aku main internet,jrg pkai pc, pkai hp jek, senang,mobile n kecik, bleh g mana2,guna laptop masa wat keje rasmi ajek.
Aku dh ckp sblm nih,klu silap taip coz guna handphone, aku send sekali jek, tp kdg2 termasuk double. Handphone ko xda internet ke?
Tryler surf pkai smartphone ke, pda ke,tablet ke, dunia dah makin maju. Jgnler ketinggalan asyik ckp msword jek bleh taip,byk menda lg bleh buat.
So,blajo2lah update diri tuh,jgn ketinggalan. Aku dah bagi angka yg aku xpetik dr langit, bile plak ko nak jawab soklan aku kat atas td?
Jawabler, ko kan pandai bg fakta, pastuh salahkan mister google xbg ko jawapan,pastuh slhkan undang2 kat msia xbg data. Bila masa ncap mana2 test kete ko sebut tuh?
Fakta ko ckppun petik dr langit,pastu ada yg nyokong auta ko tuh.
Klu ko nak tgk tax brp kat malaysia, ko masuk laman web maa, ko cr tax structure. Klu nak tau cara kira, ko masuk laman web kastam malaysia, ada pun mamat tuh bg link kat atas.
So,ko ckp aku petik fakta dr langit ke?
Sume kendaraan dlm msia,local made ke,import ke(utk pngetahuan, cbu n ckd dikategori sebagai import,cume cbu dipanggil fully imported,cbu n ckd punya meaning,sume tau), kena sales tax 10%.
Duti eksais bg kenderaan bermotor(kete termasuk racing@sport car) local@import, pada kapasiti 1800 cc kebwh,duti eksaisnya 75%.
Ckd dikenakan tambahan duti import sebanyak 10%, cbu 30%.
Klu mpv mcm avanza 1.3, duti import xdikenakan langsung, hanya byr duti eksais 60% n sales tax 10%.
Manakala exora byr duti eksais 65% n sales tax 10%(alamak,camne tax exora lg tinggi 5% tp avanza 1.3 mahal jugak rega dia?)
ko baca n tgklah sendiri, maleh aku tlg kira n trg panjang2 kat ko, smoga dpt tingkatkan habit membaca ko dr seorg pemalas nak baca…
tak silap aku, kereta nasional (proton & perodua… & naza?) dapat 50% diskaun untuk eksais. so, kalau kereta non-nasional kena 75%, proton kena 37.5% eksais sahaja. kalau aku silap or ketinggalan zaman, maap yeee :)
aku rasalah, dlm ujung minggu ni,mgkin ada review test drive exora cfe n flx se dr krew paultan kot. Xsabo jugak nak baca review krew paultan coz biasanya diaorg test long distance. Hope to hear from u guys
still waiting for sedan, not everyone / every family can afford a mpv =]
Hmmm getting too hot here…
Need to live and let live guys.
Of course turbo shiok lah. VW 1.2 dsg polo pun power juga.
Maybe a longer term drive with family, in jams, racing at traffic lights, cornering with the souped up crowd….then really know whether anything will break or tortured after a few hard drives.
Its a good effort but the price has also gone up.
At 90k……a lot of other things can be chosen especially for those who do not need 7 seats.
Turbo = more parts for replacement. Good luck to those who can afford, the repair bills.
ok expat, we talk as gentleman. Sorry, just dont like the way u talk to people before even to me coz we are adult. I start using harsh word to u coz u start that first, remember, budi bahasa budaya kita.
I’m not saying what u say on power to weight ratio is totally wrong, yup, its true the higher the horsepower, the higher top speed we can achieve, that is on engine alone, without counting transmission powerloss, coefficient lift, coefficient drag, weight if the car, tyre n etc.
I actually dont really like to refer to wikipedia(not saying it is not reliable, sometimes reading from it too), but the editing function that allow anyone to giveout info, normally i dig out from powertrain engineer himself@other sources, then look at wiki.
Bout torque, it is not about how high speed u can achieve, but how fast u can achieve that speed, or normally we say broad/wide @ small the powerband(combination hp n torque) based on both graf n at which point is where both graff cross each other(if u know exactly, that would be the most perfect rpm to shift gear n to maintain rpm coz it is the condition when the hp n torque at optimum level). This is the layman term, if u want to know explanation in technical word, maybe u can ask any engine engineer@just google.
Yup, we must count the weight also, thats why some of others already counted for u torque to weight ratio so u can get how many torque is available to carry 1kg of weight. So, it seems, even hp to weight cfe loose from livina 1.8, but it gain back advantage in torque. 2k rpm max torque is consider low, but not superlow coz diesel turbo can achieve max torque as low as 1.4k rpm.
As my engineer friend said, there is a trade of between hp n torque, thats why u can achieve enormous torque from diesel but low hp, compare to petrol can achieve high hp but lower torque. The same case cfe or any other petrol turbo engines.
If u have experience driving turbo diesel,manual cog before, u will understand the importance of torque at low rpm coz u dont need to shift too much even at slow speed coz there are plenty of torque available at low rpm, n it saves up fuel compare to petrol turbo, easy to drive,rarely need to change gear unless stopping condition.
Yup, cfe has higher fc even compare to cps, but it is simply because when u add turbo@supercharger,it increase the fc but coz currently we used modern turbo, it just small diff compare to old one.
If u look at 5008 vti na engine, compare to thp156 hp, the latter has high fc compare to na, but the power of higher capacity engine.
The same case as myvi extreme at,it has more power to weight than cfe exora cvt, but torque to weigt, exora gain advantage. N remember,to achieve 136nm of 1.5l engine, u need to rev to 4k rpm. But cfe exora already acieve max at 2k rpm. If u count back myvi 1.5 engine torque@2k rpm, it is less than 136nm, my guess maybe around 110-116nm, so it has less torque to weight, look at the hp at 2k rpm on both engine.
So, myvi after 4k, torque already dive in, so take time to achieve top speed, plus cosmetic bodykit, the drag, its hard to achieve higher speed.
N why 138hp only, why 205nm torque only, its still depend on how much hp n torque the gearbox can take, put it beyond max gbox can take, shortening the lifetime of gbox.
Thats why even for high per turbo engine for vw@one of the most powerful engine w16 in bugatti veyron, owned by vw,but dont use dsg, but use amt(single clutch n outsoursed) instead coz dsg cannot stand the power n torque of the engine.
Anyway, need to tell u, some of the figure above are maybe not that acurate coz its already late,so lazy to seacrh for brochure n get exacty myvi engine pwr n toque n engine graph, but as far as i remember, it is the same.
So, peace yo
ok expat, we talk as gentleman. Sorry, just dont like the way u talk to people before even to me coz we are adult. I start using harsh word to u coz u start that first, remember, budi bahasa budaya kita.
I’m not saying what u say on power to weight ratio is totally wrong, yup, its true the higher the horsepower, the higher top speed we can achieve, that is on engine alone, without counting transmission powerloss, coefficient lift, coefficient drag, weight if the car, tyre n etc.
I actually dont really like to refer to wikipedia(not saying it is not reliable, sometimes reading from it too), but the editing function that allow anyone to giveout info, normally i dig out from powertrain engineer himself@other sources, then look at wiki.
Bout torque, it is not about how high speed u can achieve, but how fast u can achieve that speed, or normally we say broad/wide @ small the powerband(combination hp n torque) based on both graf n at which point is where both graff cross each other(if u know exactly, that would be the most perfect rpm to shift gear n to maintain rpm coz it is the condition when the hp n torque at optimum level). This is the layman term, if u want to know explanation in technical word, maybe u can ask any engine engineer@just google.
Yup, we must count the weight also, thats why some of others already counted for u torque to weight ratio so u can get how many torque is available to carry 1kg of weight. So, it seems, even hp to weight cfe loose from livina 1.8, but it gain back advantage in torque. 2k rpm max torque is consider low, but not superlow coz diesel turbo can achieve max torque as low as 1.4k rpm.
As my engineer friend said, there is a trade of between hp n torque, thats why u can achieve enormous torque from diesel but low hp, compare to petrol can achieve high hp but lower torque. The same case cfe or any other petrol turbo engines.
If u have experience driving turbo diesel,manual cog before, u will understand the importance of torque at low rpm coz u dont need to shift too much even at slow speed coz there are plenty of torque available at low rpm, n it saves up fuel compare to petrol turbo, easy to drive,rarely need to change gear unless stopping condition.
Yup, cfe has higher fc even compare to cps, but it is simply because when u add turbo@supercharger,it increase the fc but coz currently we used modern turbo, it just small diff compare to old one.
If u look at 5008 vti na engine, compare to thp156 hp, the latter has high fc compare to na, but the power of higher capacity engine.
The same case as myvi extreme at,it has more power to weight than cfe exora cvt, but torque to weigt, exora gain advantage. N remember,to achieve 136nm of 1.5l engine, u need to rev to 4k rpm. But cfe exora already acieve max at 2k rpm. If u count back myvi 1.5 engine torque@2k rpm, it is less than 136nm, my guess maybe around 110-116nm, so it has less torque to weight, look at the hp at 2k rpm on both engine.
So, myvi after 4k, torque already dive in, so take time to achieve top speed, plus cosmetic bodykit, the drag, its hard to achieve higher speed.
N why 138hp only, why 205nm torque only, its still depend on how much hp n torque the gearbox can take, put it beyond max gbox can take, shortening the lifetime of gbox.
Thats why even for high per turbo engine for vw@one of the most powerful engine w16 in bugatti veyron, owned by vw,but dont use dsg, but use amt(single clutch n outsoursed) instead coz dsg cannot stand the power n torque of the engine.
Anyway, need to tell u, some of the figure above are maybe not that acurate coz its already late,so lazy to seacrh for brochure n get exacty myvi engine pwr n toque n engine graph, but as far as i remember, it is the same.
So, peace yo…
anyway expact, dont blame the brochure that prtn makes coz they r trying to make it easy to comprehend even for layman. I read a lot of cars brochures, n when it comes to comparison, none hp/weight@torque/weight been highlighted coz hard for layman to understand.
And if u will, read back all my post before carefully, i mentioned exora bold is in par or MAYBE better than japs or others its SEGMENT n PRICE in MALAYSIA. Not in the world, not even asean. N which nearly the segment mpv that in malaysia in nearly same price as exora in malaysia? Only innova, eastar,livina 1.6 n even avanza 1.5.
I just point out also dont just picked car price outside malaysia just like that, it is not a fair comparison coz if u check exampe toyota camry all over the world,they have diff price, not only tax, u need to remember, cif(cost of freight n insurance also diff) , n many cars sell outside based on option n there are alot of term n condition applied.
Easiest is just stick the comparison in malaysia. N never ever mentioned cfe exora better than wish or stream.
So, hopefully u understand what i write earlier than just saying i bs here, bs there, prtn cybertroopers n etc coz if i am really say exora is good, why not saying that it is one of the besy mpv in the world in its segment?
So,thats why i always say read back what i said since i dunno if it is misunderstanding@didnt bother to read n understand everything.
N if u want to know whether this cfe just bot on plain vanilla campro@not, just go and read from other blogs, there even other blogs put in the slides on what is make cfe different than campro. So, gdmorning expat,bubye…
Wow… macam tak percaya aku dah test drive Exora CFE kat Juru Autocity , Penang. Salesman tak bagi drive keluar dari autocity sebab no plate tak ada lagi, tapi sempat jugak ramp sampai 80km/h in short distance… very impressive acceleration. Dulu masa kat US, aku pernah bawa Mazda 6, Toyota Aeras 2.4 (Estima), Toyota Corolla (Altis) dan Nissan Sentra. Apa yang aku rasa, Exora CFE ini lebih pickup and feel effortless berbanding dengan Aeras 2.4. Shocking fact but true. Transmission CVT feel very smooth, but compared with Nissan, Nissan Sentra CVT little bit smoother than Exora CFE. Berdasarkan input dari salesman, Exora CFE ni boleh cruise pada 100KM/h @ 2500rpm. Kalau betul fakta ini, sepatutnyya Exora CFE lebih jimat atau sama jimatnya dengan Exora CPS pada highway, dan probably lebih jimat dari Exora CPS dalam stop and go traffic (city). I lost confident with Proton for looong time, but Exora CFE change my perception. It deserve my money and I immediately book Exora Bold Premium – Cocoa Grey
p/s:
1) Salesman kata, Exora Prime mostly booked by Kedah people…. unbelievable
2) WTH Proton Edar close at 8pm at launching day. Pleaaase extend to 11pm like what Perodua did. Lot of people still coming and standing at glass wall to see the Exora Prime themself and the Proton people not even care to re-open the door (the staff still inside). Some of them coming from far (yeah… one them from Perlis), and highly disappointed by Proton attitude. This totally lost of opportunity + lost of sale.
yeahhh agreed. proton saleman shall take this oppurtunity. all Malaysian giving their eye now. be oppurtunist..
hope proton ampang will do well..yeahhhwell
ayoo.. awalnye tutup. at least buat la macam shopping mall, 10pm tutup. demn, macam mana Proton nak maju kalau staff masih macam gov sector???
thanks a lot guys (except vn) for all the infos given.
Hi all especially Proton,i’m so proud with Proton brand nowadays.congrate to Proton.
I’v test drived Exora Bold yesterday, to be honest the torque still can improve or the weight need to reduce, when u carring 7pesengers and going uphill the engine will work harder. with the 1.6 engine and 138hp mpv if compare the others mpvs it’s ok. Maybe next model of Exora Bold will come out with semi auto transmission and must reduce the weight of the body.
i think this machine suitable with RON97 then u will feel the real power of CFE(turbo)
hahaha..kelaka pulak bila baca post Expatriate VN..
budak macam Expatriate VN sembang kencang jer..
kat luar bukan byk cakap pn..
Apa kelakar? mat cakap baca, baca dan paham, itu nasihat yang baik!
mmg expat vn budak baru belajar
lesen pun takde
yups, there are given rebate before, but not know since 2006, u know when people babling about afta, so previously, they imported car has only import duty, n during that time it was relatively high,there r many thing they revise especially the tax structure.
If u want to look for really details on how much cars value, especially proton, u can look at www.onemotoring. Com.sg or even try to browse their customs website..
If in the future we are following fully afta(need to understand afta, japans,koreans, europes cars n etc that is not under asean countries, they still can be imposed import duty. Only those is made or being produce in asean region can be exempted from import duty, but not domestic@exise duty.
So,if afta being fully apply in malaysia, cbu price will reduce 30% from car cost(not 30% from selling price), ckd will reduce 10%. So, it is cheaper than before, but not as cheap as we think before n still have to pay for tax.
N those dreaming cbu cars can has lower price as langkawi without import duty n import exice duty n sales tax, u are only dreaming coz they are not asean countries.
So, bloodsucking manufacturers esp japs that sold us highly price of their cars even their tax are lower. Simple scenario, lancer gt 2.0 cbu(higher tax) cheaper than ckd 2.0(cheaper tax) civic, even outside malaysia, their price is not much diff.
The same as mazda 2, fiesta cbu(higher tax), price on par with ckd(lower tax) vios n city.
There is different between import excise duty n local excise duty. It is not the percentage, but the term, remember, in LAW(if u have chance of learning it formally, even bracket means differently). If i not mistaken, in langkawi, they are tax free(exempted from import n sales tax), but import including import excise duty, but local excise duty is still included. Thats why if u look at prtn price in Langkawi, they are only less around 10% coz sales tax is 10%.
So get the picture, i’m not supporting blood sucking tax policy in malaysia, just one to open ones eyes that we wont be getting cheap cars like outside even if afta applied, n need to remember also, japan cars sold in japan,dont have cif(cost of freigt n insurance) but since they ship they cars or components here, they have to add the cost of insurance n freight (cif) to the car, so even in 0 tax @ tax free world,we are not getting similar price as in japan.
So stop talking, just do action. If u r the one or maybe in the future be one of those involve in setting the tax, make sure try to reduce may be down to 30% excise duty,so that we can get cheaper local car over here. But need to remember, when u reduce tax, u need to cover the loss coz u dont want to make a deficit budget, or u will make us bankrupt and as the car rpice reduce, we need to prepare to accept something else higher, maybe increase in fuel price to rm3.50@rm4 perlitre, road tax can be higher,insurance premium also to be higher. This is what we call running cost.
Outside u can get cheaper priced car, but running cost is higher. If roadtax plus insurance for viva is rm 3k , n price of fuel @rm 4, will be those whose buying viva can bear the running cost?
Just hopefully that we can get everything cheap in the world.
RM60K-RM90K range for a Proton Exora with different variant?
I like Exora, but I think this is wrong positioning.
Who will buy RM90K Exora?
If Protong can squeeze their supplier by opening up, the price can be more competitive.
I think Exora Manual – RM50K, Exora AT – RM60K, and Exora Premium – Rm70K should be reasonable.
Forget those Bold, Prime whatever transformer naming. Its confusing market.
Same to the stupid Saga FL SE (have you listen to the radio advertisement how difficult they pronounce that?)
i will…. :)
I will too… as long as it worth the money..
I manage to cruise with the cfe @ 100km/h during testdrive. The rpm meter is about 2000 or slightly above. Good for balik kampung and save petrol. Even my manual 4g18p waja does 2300 rpm @ 100km/h. Anybody else manage to cruise @ 100 during testdrive?
yup.. i mange to get 100kmh also during testdrive.. yup.. 2K+ RPM
and the CVT is good. its so smooth u wont feel the gear changing.
I’d already test-driven the Exora Bold as well last weekend. I only revved to 2,000 rpm and yet the Exora Bold responded very quickly than the Exora CPS. I felt like the Exora CFE and CPS to be like 2 different cars – I only pressed the throttle pedal very lightly in the former, while in the latter I had to press pedal to the metal before it picked up speed. In the Exora Bold, I only drove up to 90 km/h at slightly lower than 2,000 rpm because of the heavy rain at that time.
I also tested a feature which was heavily advertised in the Saga FLX brochure but never been mentioned at all in the Exora Bold brochure – the SAT feature. Even though the SAT emulated the 6-speed auto gearbox, I felt that the shift time seemed to be lagged. Therefore, I would prefer the normal D position without the SAT.
For the final verdict, I must agree to the fact that everyone here agrees (except for the pelarian vietnam and his cronies aka sockpuppets who still cannot accept the truth and facts) that the Exora has finally been perfected. When the Exora was first launched, Proton offered a lot of goodies including the features embedded in the Body Control Module, which would be a great value for an MPV of that particular price tag, but the bad thing was the puny 1.6L CPS engine to haul an MPV almost as large as a Toyota Innova. It is sad that Proton did not have any other engine options than the 1.3 and 1.6 engines. Buying a 2.0L engine from other carmakers like Mitsubishi is costly and will only make the Exora a lot more expensive than before. So, the best solution from Proton could take (which actually had been done in ah beng shops a lot earlier than in Proton plant itself) was to bolt on the turbo. As a result, what we see now is the real perfected Exora.
me too had test drived the car.. manage to do 140-150 kmj at rpm 3.5k or so with ease .. with my first gen Exora i swear i will have hit 4.0 K RPM at that speed.. i owned the first gen Exora so i can tell how different it is. now recalculating my loan huhuhuh ..weird eh..change exora with another exora.
talking about perfection..they are still a long way to go actually..one most pressing is the central locking button.. please la put one at the dashboard ala Persona or any other car sedan..Exora is a very wide vechicle.. my wife have to stretch herself to lock and an unlocked each time i leave her and the kids in the car… is they do this I will definately change my Exora to Exora bold..
1st test drive : Friday, too short coz to many people
2nd : Tuesday, line clear for long drive.. thank you mr salesman
After long 2nd test drive on normal and uphill test here is my opinion.
1) Good value for money. RM 80K for BOLD premium.
2) Built quality, have improve a lot
3) Handling very good for this size MPV
4) Power ratio with 3 adults, 2 kids, very good even when cruising uphill at 100km/h
If anybody want features like J and C manufacturer, price sure would be higher.
Next plan, test drive with 7 pupils in it….if lucky laaa
Personally on the list.
Sarip Dol, Kedah
Berapa tahun warranti ni?
3 tahun…
salam….Tahniah proton ! enjin lebih power cpe+fuel cos..save 1.6 enjin macam kereta2 europe lain lebih maju dari kereta2 jepun yang lain 2.0. lebih p/up /senang potong / naik bukit memang power cuma interior material/ plastic buat yang lebih kualiti dan tahan calar apapun lebih amazing tyre abs + 4 wheels….. tested drive setting cun bukit 140km/h ..h/way…170km/h…………sapsoiiii
tabikkk springg arr gua kt proton…coz kuarkn enjin baru utk exora bold yg inovatif wat ms ni….terbaekkk terbaekkkk,coz gua sndri pn swap mesin 4G63t E3 kt PROTON PRIME aka Sukhoi MKM-30 kuikuikuikui…GTI gua sejibik lg tu gua biar stndart jer coz sdah trbkti antra prduct yg terbaik dlm mrket mlsia trmsuk austrlia,u.k n tmur tngh by the way mesin V6 aka 6A12 yg lame lg hampeh tu,gua dh campak kt parit dpn umah mat rongak@pomen no-6 wat tukun utk ikan laga n ikan sepat berpoya-poya,hahahaha….bgus lg enjin 4G63 SEI lame n for V6 user jgn touching n sentap ehhh..gua bkn nk kondem tp cume nk compair tntg 2 jnis mesin ni jer about qualitas prduct,parts,thnical mntainace,prduct cost,power output,fuel saver n etc..sbb pd gua strong reason satu jer…its all about the moneyyyyyy.(Don’t drive if u have no much money)…Ooopps melalut lak gua ni,cntinue blik story psl enjin br exora turbo ni,gua sndri dh pn dpt test drive mesin exora ni ms gua g mlwat mmber baikk sekampus gua dulu,dkt opis beso RND Proton Tnjung Malim..end of the results N whats can gua say utk kite kongsi sesame..product ni mmg berbaloi dgn wang yg kite laburkn n leburkn…coz msin 1.6 MT ni pn dh ckup kuat bg pndpat gua la yeaaa dr segi hmburan kuasa seawal pecutan,gear prtngahan dn top gear power output..yg impotant skali mesin ni diset-up dgn cun oleh pihak RND Proton n kepakarn phak Lotus utk pnggnaan petrol yg optimum bg pnjimatan pd rpm rendah atau tnngi skaligus mnjimatkn kos petrol..jika nk bnding kuasa msin ni ats hgway ia mmg tip top snang ckap gsr turbo pn pedih ulu hati bile kene potong…apath lg g.livina,cherry,citra,inova dn sebagainye….jimat mnyaknye mcm pkai vios blik penang n ade separuh lg mnyk reserve dlm tank..hrga tol dr skudai ke juru lg cekik dr modalkn mnyak…dn skrg ni PROTON R3 sdng up date n upgrade inspira R3 2.0l turbo code mesin-4b11 dn dgar kata exora dlm senarai upgrdae gak…syabassss proton n i proud to be malaysian,skang ni gua sndri pn dlm proses trade in keta prime 4g63t trsayang gua tu utk swap dgn exora BOLD ni…WHY?????Sbb musababnye hnye gua n ALLAH jer tau….x caye cube korang LIHAT,SENTUH,RASA,CUBA,UJI,NILAI,BANDING,FIKIR…lastly br wat keputusannn yg bijak lg rasional…THANKS…LUV U FRENZ AND GOD BLESS MALAYSIA&PROTON
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_capacity
Before arguing on CC, one should first know what is CC. Many people think that CC is equivalent to OUTPUT (Horse Power). READ THE ABOVE LINK for better knowledge. Bigger CC does not mean bigger power, but it does mean higher fuel consumption. 1600cc for Exora is just perfect. In fact, I am surprise with Proton’s CFE technology which has the similar effect with the BMW, AUDI and VW’s latest engine, ie small CC but big OUTPUT. Have you ever testdrive it? if not, test it before giving unfair statement.
@Des well said Des. I agree with you about the explanation of the CC and thank you for sharing the link with everyone. The link was good indeed, as you have mentioned it is good to test drive it before giving an unfair comment on the car. There are some cars that doesn’t look good but still they will be good on the road. I think this car will also be the same and I liked the interiors of the car although it did not have any special features. I think it is simple and easy to handle this car while driving.
Congrat to Protons Team…i’m owner of Innova ‘E’ Specs,Manual 2005…even it is under of TOYOTA name..but this INNOVA didnt have electric side miror..believe it..event my ‘KANCIL” 850 year 2001 got it…and this EXORA have so many gadget..thumbs up for EXORA + Turbo….i dont care how much fast this EXORA can go,and how much fast its reach top speed because PLUS Hiway now is crowded,u can drive 160km/h just for 1 minute then a prime mover or lori sayur or lori balak will change lane in just 1 blinking signal..if want to drive really fast just go to race track..this is MPV..carry lovely wife N kids..no reason to risk my lovely family..sofor me no matter how fast it can go…my first impressions is it interior…very nice n full of gadget…
Don’t like the leather smell of Protons…and some other brands too.
Quite ok but the price……sigh…..not cheap leh.
Around 72k ok la.
I just had the chance to test the Proton Exora Bold today.
From the outside the vehicle is impressive.
But from the interior it sucks big time.
Not to happy with the handling and performance.
Looks like the vehicle is struglling on power with just 2 occupants.
When goin on steep slope the vehicle almost stalled and the engine cranking is massive.
Even the temperature started to rise just 10 minutes into the drive.
The SA claim its normal for all proton cars including Exora Bold.
In summary This Exora Bold looks like a cheapskate MPV a typical product from Proton.
It is not reliable at all and worst cost too much for the quality.
I would go for Livina anytime considering the value for money.
Suggest you guys test drive the livina first and you will see the differrence.
Make the wise decision.
Kenny, do you mind sharing which and where is the steep slope you did the test drive? i feel like driving my EB there too…
or just your sales drop (T or N) this month end make you come here and ‘tabur pasir’ in to others rice bowl ;p
Sorry for you, your sales KPI didn’t met…
Friend, Livina is a outdated model of Nissan in Japan…
test entry
I’ve bought last year lousy car (livina 1.8). I bought this car due to less option of japan new brand in our market, I tod all jap car shuld come with at least the same statisfaction in all terms..
all went wrong..my car having bad noisy at the compressor and i was very shame when running the car tru my neighbours house, i afraid his children will wake-up wen i passing by..
The things that i was really2 upset is the Tan Chong Service Centre, i was making complaint that there is noisy sound from my :
1.compressor
2.my driver door trim
3.strong wind coming inside the cabin from front mirror while driving in the highway. many livina driver claim this problem.
you know what was the SC do to my car they not even overcome to my compressor problem but they changed my lube oil from fully syentetic to mineral oil. how can i stand whith this such a fool things, why can’t they review my last service and the milage as well.
now i’am working outside, but my wife is driving the car and keep complaining the terrible sound. I think she got shame to her friends for those tikus sounds.
After all i thing malaysian should support national cars until it become good, to make complaining is easy but to pay more with low quality for top bran is shamefull.
Sigh…another comment from the proud bi product of malaysian education system..
Clearly this guy has the most minimal knowledge of the language and yet he has attempted to post in the language…damn he is worst than a primary school kid. With this kind of capability no wonder he has trouble making a decent complaint with TC service center..Good luck Livina 1.8. Perhaps you should go for the malaysian bi-product exora which should be a better match for your limited ability ..:) kudos.
Dear sifu’,
Does the CFE compatible running on ron 95 or get effected with it. please advise. tq
fantastic improvement. Vote for Proton. Many negative comments are due to the badge of Proton (they dont like Proton) even the technical spec says otherwise.
korang sumer yg komen ni dah pakai sorang satu ker?nak komen lebih2 pun ukurla baju d bdn sdri…bg komen membina supaya org yg membaca secara x lgsung dpt info yg bermanfaat.bersikap rasional bkn emosional…….
Urgh… Current exora bold cfe user… Cranking sound when starting engine, and 1 more horrible thing, the tires’ bolt are loose!!! Have to go to tires shop to realign + fasten tightly… Any comments?
no such issues in my CFE unit… should that be real, you should see many CFE inside the longkang by the roadside ;p
hm… just knew that there is similar cases as mine, someone went to the same service center as me with same prob (cranking sound)…
hm… just knew there is similar case with mine, someone went to the same service center with me and got same prob (cranking sound)
Exora bold ni pickup memang bagus kalau banding dengan CPS dulu. Saya dah test drive, tapi bila dah masuk 110kmph rasa macam CPS balik, dah tak ada feel turbo.
olla.
Adoyai, whats wrong with proton? Ada problem ka?
Kalau nk argue pasal harga, try duduk dlm proton BOARD commitee member la. Apa diorg fikir,rasa and nk uat yg terbaek utk customer.
Kalau nk argue pasal prestasi enjin, pendapat masing2 la kan tetapi AT LEAST hargai la sket, pereka yg kerah idea nk uat enjin tu, engineering dier nk upgrade, tukang nk pasang enjin apa sume tuh.
kalau nk argue pasal design, beli sebijik exora standard then kasi convert ikt citarasa korg sendiri la. Aar kan cara mcm tuh.
Aku dah ada sebiji exora PRIME. beli dengan harga tuh, BERBALOI bagi aku and family. Long distance journey, memang parent aku rs cam duk dlm flight. Aku pulak yg drive ni mcm rs bwk kete mewah. TETAPI apa yg aku rasa,pendapat aku dan pendapat org lain pendapat diorg la.
“Aku ada, kau ada?”
takde pun takpe :D
apa pun.. aku dah beli exora bold premium rm79xxx white.. walaupun rega dia cam mahal klu nk compare ngan keta luar ( klu tak termasuk tax la ), tp tiada pilihan dan ini yg terbaik utk family aku,, minyak pun ok, henjut pun steady, handling dlm keadaan laju meyakinkan,,interior pun ada class juga,, lagi terbaik klu kerajaan hapuskn tax utk keta import pasti rakyat dpt buat byk pilihan..
erm… nak tanya satu lagi… bila proton nak keluarkan model macam alphard ek?
Salam semua…
Saya abang man. sebelum ni pakai wira auto yg 0 – 100 tak tau la berape puluh saat hehehe…
Baru baru ni saya bercadang nak beli MPV…
Nak beli Livina, saya tak minat design. interior putih pun senag nampak kotor.
Nak beli Rush, dah test drive… sekali tgk interior amat la descentnye… seat kulit pun takde utk S Spec..? 97k plak tu…
Pastu ader kawan rekomen tgk bold… saya bwk camtu camtu aje.. ye la kan keta sebelum ni pon lembab je.. so bold ni pade saye laju dan gagah le.. nak tgk torque ke HP ke saye tak gheti… hehe..so saye dah book… sekali wife mintak up sket ke Prime… adei.. boleh ke..? sib baik lepas loan hehe… dapat interest 2.78 dr RHB… benk cap rimau bg tinggi.. 2.85… ngape cenggitu eh..? sedangkan dulu mase masuk rush diorang bleh bg 2.4 je..?
So skrg ni tgh menunggu hari… no plet pon dah book.. WXK **** hehe… terbang 3 ratus…
Doakan agar kereta prime saye elok dan sihat.. Aminn… :)
salam semua, sy punye bold premium putih dah masuk dua bulan and dua kali servis. kesimpulannye, memang memuaskan dan x menyesal beli. sebelum ni sy pki avanza.
Nothing impress me, except- the color
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The reasons why CFE is limited to 205nm is the Punch CVT gearbox which has limit of 215nm only,Go google Punch CVT2 version gearbox.Dyno and racechip has prove that CFE capable of getting at least 149hp@5300rpm and 242nm@2200rpm if not for the cvt gearbox and emission control.One must remember its just an engineering upgrade from a stock Campro engine with more than 60% of modification.A normal 6 speed auto with manual option is the best for this heavy mpv.Its not 13.3s as someone claimed.The CFE standard flat out less than 10.6s and less than 11.2s for the premium version.IMO that’s adequate for a 1405-1480kg 1.6 mpv.Dun compared Peugeot twin scroll or VW twin charge engine.Proton only use Borg Warner single low pressure turbo while Pug using two turbo and VW using turbo/Supercharge technology..
As salam, masing2 ada pendapat & pandangan. ini pendapat aku. sekarang aku guna pakai proton saga blm first model. every weekend gerak dr perak ke terengganu. kadang2 lajak sampai johor. baru guna 3 tahun, melledge da samapai 100k. tp xder masalah pun. Alhamdulillah. compare dgan kwan yg guna pakai import car. milledge x smpi lagi 90k, mcm2 masalah. then kos sara dia plak tinggi jika dibandingkn dgn proton. skang aku guna pkai exora prime. sebelum tu test drive kwan2 punye krete. innova, avanza, wish, cherry, estima & grandis. kesimpulan, dgan hrga around rm90k, spec yg dpat mmg berbaloi-baloi. sbbnya, kne buat survey sindri. aku da buat. mcm2 aku masukkan utk dpatkn krete yg terbaik. kita bukan nak guna krete sebulan 2, tp smpi abis. PROTON improve a lot…tahniah…