Comments on: Toyota developing next-gen sodium-ion EV batteries http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/ Malaysia's Number 1 Source for Automotive News Tue, 21 May 2013 18:23:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: rexis http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826779 rexis Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:30:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826779 Toyota researching on battery potentially for PEV? They hv been studying batteries for ages to make their hybrid but eventually chose Ni-Cd battery for their prius. They are reluctant to use Li-ion for some reason, maybe due to life span.

That sounds promising if you ask me.

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]]> By: skypirate http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826596 skypirate Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:04:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826596 finally someone who knows what he is talking about.

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]]> By: skypirate http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826595 skypirate Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:00:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826595 looks like your chemistry level is only at form 5 level, but it is still admirable. i bet lots of the commentators here don’t even know that sodium is highly reactive.

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]]> By: tkling http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826579 tkling Sun, 18 Nov 2012 13:51:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826579 we “monkey people” live in Sarawak know Toyota got soul….. pls do some research and read some car history …. every car got their reasons to exit!

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]]> By: qwerty http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826558 qwerty Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:07:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826558 toyota does know how to make a hybrid car with fun factors!

look at the TS030 LeMans sports car.

even the Lexus GS450h F-Sport is fun to drive

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]]> By: Twoone http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826533 Twoone Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:34:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826533 Sodium battery is old technology what they are doing is finding ways to make it effective. This tech may only be realised after 2020

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]]> By: dol http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826531 dol Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:01:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826531 Also higher voltage will give you high power density through equation P=C(V*V)/4R. For your imformation higher power density means that faster or higher current can be delivered by the battery. So it tranlates to better acceleration or pickup.

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]]> By: Krezy http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826515 Krezy Sun, 18 Nov 2012 03:42:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826515 Q=CV
Q is what determines how far a battery will last.
Battery is effectively a large capacitor, or very big C.
So, the higher voltage potential,V means higher Q for the same C.
Q=it. i is current needed to drive motor. t is time. Higher Q means longer time for the same i

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]]> By: Sam Loo http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826485 Sam Loo Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:23:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826485 Comparing Toyota with Porche?

Toyota will run 10 years problem free. Porche will need tow trucks all the time

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]]> By: Vinz http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826460 Vinz Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:02:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826460 How could u compare toyota with porsche? the price is too much differ…

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]]> By: Eric http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826400 Eric Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:57:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826400 You are correct if you are hearing this ten years ago. Scientists and engineers have found ways to innovate the electrodes such that the reactive behaviour can be stabilized. FYI… lithium is more reactive than sodium indeed

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]]> By: Kalun http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826392 Kalun Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:35:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826392 What if I tell you that NA/Sodium is Very Reactive.

When your car caught on fire, most likely 99.99% you won’t survive. Every form 4 chemistry student know this. We try it before. A guy in other lab, his shirt caught on fire because of sodium.

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]]> By: Ebike Guy http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826390 Ebike Guy Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:24:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826390 “…is able to generate an electric voltage value – which is used to calculate the maximum mileage of electric vehicles – that’s 30% higher than that of lithium-ion batteries.”

I’m confused. Cell voltage is not used to calculated EV range; cell energy storage capacity is. Different chemistries have different cell voltges, but this is not a predictor of range. Does anyone understand why the emphasis is being placed on cell voltage here?

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]]> By: kay http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826366 kay Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:46:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826366 as once people worships their best horse now we worship a car that does 200km/h and can accelerate 0-to 100km/h in seconds
and only to skite does any car owner use this power and now where can they exceed the legal speed limits of a road.
so the sooner we gt the battery technology sorte we will still be able to show off with out percieved range anxiety

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]]> By: AVH http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826350 AVH Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:20:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826350 A conti to me shows a person achievement in life. Most of the good contis are beyond my and most people reach. Only ver-dubs and pug are the only reasonably price conti, oh and ford. The vee-dub to many people although looks classy, its quite under spec and, i am sure some will agree including the revered J.Clarkson, dull. Pugs on the other hand had a history of reliability issues in tropical malaysia, and is sad to say imma not a fan of that big smily face that most pug sold here had(pre facelift 308 face). which makes Ford the only serious( and personally better) alternative to the big T. Yes a Camry has nothing to shout about but that’s what it’s meant to do , carry you from A to B with a long but comfortable face. Get the job done in comfort and boredom. But seriously, money making monster with no soul, that’s a bit too far. You can’t judge all Toyota just bcuz of the malaysian UMW Camry. A GT86 or the Altis driver won’t say so. A hilux driver also won’t say so, look at how that chassis takes a 30mm Zpu AA gun during the Libyan civil war.

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]]> By: AVH http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826343 AVH Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:07:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826343 Toyota is developing a KERS variant of the GT86 according to an interview with the chief engineer of the 86 by top gear, isn’t that a cheaper ,albeit slower, alternative to the 918. And plz dun tell me the gt86 is not fun to drive. Everyone who drove it will happily disagree.

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]]> By: yamaha hamaya http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826342 yamaha hamaya Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:02:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826342 when the battery pack starts leaking sodium, kiss goodbye to your vehicle as it corrode into dust! Unless your vehicle is constructed on carbon fibre or polymer composite!

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]]> By: Name http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826321 Name Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:48:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826321 Porsche 918 – How to do a proper Hybrid without killing off the fun factor. But it does cost more than a few million.

And notice – How to do a proper Hybrid without killing off the fun factor <- that's a new breakthrough, it doesn't exist in Toyota's page.

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]]> By: Painter http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826302 Painter Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:32:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826302 100 years ago, our forefathers loved horses over automobiles. They prefer the sweet neighing sound of a horse over the roughness and clunkiness of Ford Model Ts. Yep, and horses do have souls and cars doesn’t.

Sensibility got the best of them.

100 years now, we are follow the foot steps of our forefathers, that is, get over fossil fuel; soul or no soul, nonetheless.

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]]> By: AsapHitam http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826300 AsapHitam Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:26:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826300 look like toyota fanboy always impress… recall, rebadge and now new battery.. :P

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]]> By: Painter http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826299 Painter Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:25:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826299 Finally, a sensible answer. Enough of non-auto related comments already!!

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]]> By: Zeek http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826294 Zeek Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:06:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826294 Comparing toyota with porsche? That’s like comparing stone and gold. Toyota is junk, money making monster with no soul, no feeling. I’ve owned a camry before, nothing to shout abt. I drive a conti now and will NOT look back! Enuf said.

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]]> By: qwerty http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826290 qwerty Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:57:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826290 come’on! we’re talking about new breakthrough here, dun drag in comparisons of cars, arguments or any unrelated stuff please. get a life people! not wvery paultan post needs arguments.

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]]> By: Name http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826274 Name Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:28:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826274 Well that’s a dumb question, it’s not that they don’t know how to develop it, it’s just not a fun car to drive anymore if they ever took that route. Porsche with atkinson engine and cvt gearbox? If that happens, Porsche will die a fiery death.

Yes the Toyota might be a workhouse and never breakdowns, but the Porsche, has true soul and passion in it. Only a few cars from Toyota can outrun a Porsche, but every Porsche can outrun most of the Toyota’s lineup.

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]]> By: Name http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826273 Name Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:20:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826273 No. Sam Loo is even better than Toyota! With words he can turn shit into gold. Serious gold.

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]]> By: Sam Loo http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826261 Sam Loo Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:22:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826261 Copycat Above

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]]> By: kzm http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826242 kzm Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:42:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826242 no..sodium replacing the lithium not rare earth metal..do u misunderstand “rare metal lithium”?..it is mean metal that are rare..lithium is metal that is not abundant..more like precious rare metal aurum.

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]]> By: alldisc http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826240 alldisc Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:41:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826240 toyota first develop mass market hybrid, which combines a clever motor that acts as generator and recharges the battery as driver brakes or release accelerator.

toyota fully utilised atkinson cycle engine and motor, with CVT gearbox never before done by any manufacturer 50 years before. even porsche had forgotten they had the same idea 100 years ago. i think they just dont know how to develop it further.

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]]> By: NCAP http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826235 NCAP Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:25:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826235 Its not toyota that uses old tech. It’s UMW Malaysia which is stripping down the car and giving us low spec + old tech cars.

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]]> By: AVH http://paultan.org/2012/11/16/toyota-developing-next-gen-sodium-ion-ev-batteries/#comment-826225 AVH Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:00:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=141610#comment-826225 Kuantan ppl are :)

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