Ppl who are concern bout resale value are ppl who cant afford to spend so much on the car. Not that we need to but just the taxation imposed.

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fingers crossed huhuhuh

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I do agree to some certain extent, when you include dumb gearbox. But like I’ve mentioned earlier, a smartbox, in example, most twin clutch and mazda skyactiv 6 speed, can shift fast enough to make it feel like cvt.

I have trouble on understanding this part “shifting the car too fast doesn’t help on pulling the car unless it is a CVT.”.

If you meant shift up while the engine is at too low rpm, that’s the reason where the extra gear ratio comes into help. The gear, let’s say 2nd and 3rd. For 4 sgb, the engine will need 2.8k rpm to upshift smoothly to 3rd gear @ 2k rpm. But on the 6 sgb, it can upshift at 2.4k rpm into the 2krpm range of the 3rd gear. Do you understand this?

Cost wise, it will lose out to cvt and 4 speed gear box but then, is this not a cost cutting saving bricks problem? A 6 speed is not in a car is not pointless as it can further optimize the gear to engine optimal working zone.

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Just imagine allocating car porches for a 20×60 single storey house is pointless because there are less tenants in the small house compared to a bungalow. It is not necessary about cost cutting, saving bricks and cement. It is pointless.

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With just 79kW@109PS peak power and kerb weight of 1170kg (Assumption beased on Rio Australia-spec, but it shouldn’t differ much with M’sia-spec), the power-to-weight ratio is 67.5W/KG.

Together with max torque of just 135Nm@4200rpm, the overall acceleration / pick-up sensation will also be normal/common if not lacking. 1170kg is rather heavy for a B-segment hatch.

As a comparison, Naza will bring another B-segment hatchback soon i.e. Peugeot 208 via, another subsidiary, Nasim.

Its going to be powered by a 1.6L NA engine producing 120PS/88kW and peak torque of 160Nm torque at 4250rpm. Its kerb weight should be around 1140kg. So power-to-weight ratio stood at 77W/kg. Much better and should translate to better overall drive. Of course price-wise, 208 might be costlier. But that is beside the point.

All in all, the Rio we are getting is just a good looking city car. But it should sell well.

On its own, a 1.4L NA engine producing 109PS of power & 135Nm of torque is quite an excellent achievement.

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Having 6 sets of gears would making the ratio in between gears smaller, thus letting you drive at lowest rpm.

E.g 4 gear (optimal gear change at 2.8k rpm),
1st gear: 0 – 20 (kph)
2nd gear: 20 – 40
3rd gear: 40 – 70
4th gear: 70 above

Now with 6 gear (optimal might be lower at 2.4kph)
1st gear: 0 – 20 (kph)
2nd gear: 20 – 35
3rd gear: 35 – 50
4th gear: 50 – 70
5th gear: 70 – 90
6th gear: 90 above

The above might not be accurate, but if you were to compare overall pickup from stand point to 110, the 6 speed will do it faster and more efficient (provided is not a stupid 6 speed box).

For every optimal change, a 6 speed can do it more efficient at lower rpm thus lower fc. Who is the more efficient one now?

For cruising at 80pkh, who is more efficient?

If you are talking about a city car where you are jammed and can’t even reach 80kph consistently, 4 speed, okay I agree. So when these car hits federal road like LDP, Federal Highway how?

No matter how, 6 speed will benefit the car, pickup, fc wise because the gear transition RPM is lower. So my question is, why do you still feel that a 4 speed box will pickup more faster than a 6 speed box? And I can’t understand the comparison of wira and camry, please explain more. I did typed a lot.

As I said, the main reason of having the 4 speed here is engine compatibility and cost cutting issue. They have a lot of old 4 speed box from the previous models and the most effective way to dispose of them is to put them into new cars on 3rd world market. I will continue to monitor our conversation just to let you grasp the right concept.

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