Proton Saga for Pakistan will use lower displacement 1,299 cc engine to secure better tax benefits – report

Proton Saga for Pakistan will use lower displacement 1,299 cc engine to secure better tax benefits – report

Yesterday, it was reported that Proton’s partner in Pakistan, Al-Haj Automotive, was in the process of introducing a range of Proton vehicles, including the Saga facelift, which is currently being tested and will be the first Proton model to be introduced in that market.

Now, CarSpiritPK reports that the Saga that will be sold in Pakistan will feature a different, downsized engine in order to secure improved tax benefits. The car will still feature a 1.3 litre engine, but this will have a displacement of 1,299 cc to bring the car into a lower tax structure, which will make the car cheaper to sell.

The Saga’s existing S4PE 1.3 litre VVT mill has a 1,332 cc displacement, so this could well be a cylinder resleeve job to meet the capacity requirements, or it could be an entirely fresh engine altogether, coming from Geely. That’s because the Chinese automaker has a 1,299 cc four-pot called the 4G13 (no, it’s not a Mitsubishi, despite the familiar model code), available in both turbocharged and normally-aspirated forms.

Proton Saga for Pakistan will use lower displacement 1,299 cc engine to secure better tax benefits – report

In its NA guise, the Geely unit offers 87 hp and 120 Nm, which isn’t far from the S4PE’s 95 PS and 120 Nm. Either way, a Hyundai-sourced four-speed automatic and a five-speed manual will remain the partnering transmission choices. The report adds that development of the new 1,299 cc unit is expected to be completed by May this year, following which mass production will begin.

The X70 is another Proton model that has been earmarked for Pakistan, and will apparently be sold there from 2021 with a 174 hp and 255 Nm 1.5 litre turbo engine used by other Geely and Volvo models, and not the 181 hp/300 Nm 1.8 litre turbo unit in our CKD X70, again to secure tax benefits. Like our X70, the partnering transmission will be a seven-speed dual-clutch unit, which replaces the previous conventional six-speed auto.

In March last year, Proton announced that it would be setting up a local assembly plant in Pakistan, which will be owned and operated by Al-Haj. The factory in Karachi is being built with an initial investment of US$30 million (RM126 million), and is expected to commence operations before the end of this year. As part of the agreement, Al-Haj will be the sole distributor for Proton vehicles in Pakistan.

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Comments

  • What happen to the engine development done together with ricardo uk? Taught they were developing 1.0, 1.3 and 1.5 na and turbocharged engines?

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    • Nabill on Feb 28, 2020 at 11:09 pm

      Songlap duit RnD gomen, No action Tok only.

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      • Proton oh Proton on Feb 29, 2020 at 11:13 am

        Hyundai rolled out their first car in 1974, just 10 years before Proton rolled out their first Saga in 1984.

        Yet, Hyundai now sells 8 million cars globally. They sell in all first world countries. In countries like USA, Australia etc, Hyundai and Kia are now TOP sellers.

        How did they do well? Just 10 years younger than Proton.

        Our Proton, can only export to Pakistan. That also, total export for all Proton cars is like 10,000

        10,000 vs 8 million – big big difference.

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        • History Bender on Mar 02, 2020 at 5:23 pm

          Hyundai history started in 1947, that is 10 years before our Merdeka so they had 40 years to gather funding which allowed them to develop better that Proton. Try imagine asking a newborn baby to walk faster than a 40 year old adult, no way can that baby walk faster.

          So it is understandable why Hyundai is better than Proton as they had started earlier.

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      • Badawi Khairullah on Feb 29, 2020 at 11:39 am

        Jeremy Clarkson, the authority on cars, has termed the Saga the “Most Dangerous Car in the World”

        It is still in the Top Gear website.

        I also don’t know where to hide my face.

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        • Jeremy on Mar 02, 2020 at 2:01 pm

          I didn’t dynamite that car because it was that awful. That distinction belongs to another brand I specially reserve a place in Hell. So no matter what Saga is still better.

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      • Geely Manyak Pandai on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:18 pm

        Once Geely tells Proton to use Geely engines in Saga for Malaysia, our Proton will just be a puppet boneka.

        We just gave China backdoor entry to become National Car company with National car status to market Geely cars and engines all over the world.

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      • Geely Manyak Pandai on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:19 pm

        Why can’t our engineers and designers at Proton reduce the CC of the existing Campro engine?

        What are they doing in opis?

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        • Engineer on Mar 02, 2020 at 12:57 am

          From that question, it is telling that you have no knowledge about engines in particular, automotive specifically and cars in general. Just another tin kosong troll.

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      • Aziz Hendon on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:48 pm

        Proton should be aiming for Singapore, USA, UK, Europe, Australia market for business.

        Pakistan is a poor nation. They do not have money. This is why they send workers to Malaysia to work.

        Proton don’t know how to do market research. Soon they will market to Philippines another poor country

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        • Singaporean Reader on Mar 01, 2020 at 8:58 pm

          Proton cannot sell in SG cos they dont have Euro 6 compliant engine.

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      • Aziz Hendon on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:49 pm

        What happened to Proton’s engine development with Petronas? Billions went down the longkang now. Why use China engines when Petronas already got engines developed for Proton?

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        • Fake News on Mar 01, 2020 at 10:42 pm

          Fake news. Proton never had any engine development with Petronas.

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          • 2012 Reader on Mar 02, 2020 at 12:33 pm

            https://paultan.org/2012/12/11/reports-proton-acquires-petronas-engine-technology/

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          • His Friend on Mar 02, 2020 at 5:24 pm

            Acquire and develop is totally different my friend. Do you know how to read?

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      • Mohammad Sidek bin Hj Sardon on Feb 29, 2020 at 3:06 pm

        Spend billions to develop Campro…..now all lesap.

        By next year, Saga also use Geely engine in Malaysia. What a coincidence….same engine name and number oso

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        • Campro how many years already, dude? It’s more than 15 years, has spawned numerous iterations over the years in hundreds of thousand of Protons andis still in service. Funny how troll always got his head stuck in his backside…

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        • Spent billions to develop but it returned nearly RM 60Billion in investment. That is a good return no matter how.
          https://paultan.org/2020/02/21/nap-2014-report-card-rm10-05-billion-investments-62-tiv-eev-penetration-rm58-7-billion-local-content/

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    • Fordist on Feb 29, 2020 at 10:33 am

      Likely they ran out of funding to continue further development of these engines for mass-pro. After selling their shares to Geely, Proton no longer has incentives from the Government anymore so they are lacking in R&D grants to complete these engine development programs.

      With Proton standing by themselves, I think it’s high time the next Government scrap national car program and close down Perodua for good. Time to put this shame behind us.

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    • Geely Manyak Pandai on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:17 pm

      This was Geely plan all along. To finally kill Proton and use all Geely engines.

      Now Proton is just a rebadger. 90% of all Proton sales is X70 and Saga.

      Eventually, Saga will use Geely engines in Malaysia

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    • Kerajaan Pintu Belakang John Lingkup on Feb 29, 2020 at 3:17 pm

      What happened to Exora? Now ZERO sales?

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      • Frozen on Mar 02, 2020 at 12:55 am

        Outselling Alza. Why do you ask?

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      • Copy Paste on Mar 02, 2020 at 5:25 pm

        Copy paste: “Lastly, the Exora continued to hold its advantage in the C-segment MPV class.” -:Proton sold 9,974 cars in February 2020 – over 80% year-on-year growth; 23.8% market share estimated

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  • granny on Feb 28, 2020 at 8:40 pm

    1 by 1, Geely remove Proton’s ‘Heritance’…
    despite downgrading CVT to 4AT.
    despite downgrading 95PS (93.7ps) to 85hp..

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    • Happy on Feb 28, 2020 at 11:36 pm

      Soon all upgrading to Flying cars … Woohooo!!

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      • Malu Malu Malaysia on Feb 29, 2020 at 11:03 am

        Don’t laugh at flying cars, better you laugh at the fact that everybody must make parts, engine, gearbox for our own national car.

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      • Geely Manyak Pandai on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:21 pm

        Why our engineers at Proton cannot create a smaller displacement for Pakistan?

        What are they doing in opis?

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        • Cathy Lim on Mar 01, 2020 at 8:26 pm

          Chassis Rigidity is the forefront of Proton R&D. Respected and Acknowledged by their SP(StrategicPartner).
          They certainly did something in the office right KunKun? Spews something fresh la, not the same Basi/Smelly type of Fake arguments.

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    • Badawi Khairullah on Feb 29, 2020 at 11:41 am

      Don’t know why we feel so great when we export to Bangladesh and Pakistan

      Bangladesh also sales failed. 2 years have passed, sales are so bad. Last year alone only sold 6 cars.

      Pakistan will be the same. Maybe another 6 this year.

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    • Aziz Hendon on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:51 pm

      Enjin Petronas mana? Kerajaan belanja beratus juta dan bagi Proton grant bersama PEtronas pun dapat grant. Mana engin?

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    • Great granny on Mar 01, 2020 at 1:51 pm

      Read carefully. The 1299 cc engine is only for the Pakistan market. All those ‘downgrades’ you mentioned came with advantages. The 4AT is smoother and lower maintenance.

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  • 4G63T DSM on Feb 28, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    That Geely developed 1,299 cc four-pot in the 4G13 turbocharged form, best combo Hyundai 4AT.

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    • Aziz Hendon on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:52 pm

      I only wished I can read as Proton developed 1,299 cc four pot….

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  • vivizurianti on Feb 28, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    Syukur x1000. Proton is now selling cars like hot banana fritters in Paki.

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    • Angry Voters on Feb 29, 2020 at 9:50 am

      Cukurr. Proton Saga made epic comeback, after 35yrs since 1985. Our true kereta rakyat.

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    • Aziz Hendon on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:54 pm

      I think selling goreng pisang also can make more money for Proton

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      • Selling pisang goreng definitely makes more money than lowly sales troll. Especially the troll that only knows tocopy paste and use stupid dupe names.

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  • Engineer on Feb 28, 2020 at 11:41 pm

    Wow, never knew Saga engine bay was so versatile to accept so many configurations throughout its life, from Campro with Aisin 4AT, to VVT with CVT, and now Geely engine with Hyundai gb. A real testament to the sound engineering that went into designing the Saga.

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    • Malu Malu Malaysia on Feb 29, 2020 at 11:01 am

      This is not sound engineering because sound engineering is exporting your own engine and gearbox.

      Now the world will know we cannot even build our own gearbox and engine. Just badan only and tayar

      Malaysia will be known as the badan and tayar producer.

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      • Logical Deduction on Mar 02, 2020 at 5:28 pm

        Toyota Supra has neither their own engine nor gearbox so they should malu to export the car? So from your logic they are just badan and tayar producer right? A big company just to produce badan and tayar.

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    • KFChin on Feb 29, 2020 at 1:09 pm

      Exactly, myself picked Saga over jazz n picanto.

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  • Ben Yap on Feb 29, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    pakistani’s proton will lose in all drag race if it’s done with our local non-modified saga or X70.

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  • keyboard.rosak on Mar 02, 2020 at 8:27 am

    Penat engineer ubah engine tu, korang kate pakai engine Gelly.

    Ish ish ish

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