China automotive trade breach
The European Commission is threathening legal action against China for discrimination against European car companies, with their latest decision to revise tax tariffs for car parts which indirectly forces companies to source components from Chinese producers.
China has reclassified car parts as ‘fully finished cars’, something like CBU, which carries a 34% tax, double from the previous rate. Because parts are expensive to bring in now, in order to be economically competitive manufacturers have to source parts from Chinese producers to avoid the high tax.
The problem is foreign car manufacturers are not allowed to setup their own businesses in China. They must partner up with an existing Chinese company, forced to accept minority shareholding. Allowing a Chinese company access to all your designs would only result in one thing, vehicle piracy!
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December 14, 2005 @ 9:37 am
omG… when will they stop… ripping designs 100% is definitely NOT the way to go…
December 14, 2005 @ 9:56 am
Mmmm no wonder my boss’ c-class looks familiar with the one produced by Geely (or Geli..!). BMW 7-series and Merc A-class currently one of the many piracy victims. China PRC (Piracy Republic of China)…
December 14, 2005 @ 10:03 am
If there’s one thing the Chinese in China r good at. Then it’s copycat piracy. They r the best at it.
December 14, 2005 @ 10:15 am
Well,at least they tried.
December 14, 2005 @ 10:16 am
Wah….copy king of king!
December 14, 2005 @ 10:30 am
China
Stat
—-
Copy-God
December 14, 2005 @ 10:32 am
IS nothing new isnt it?
In school we copy and paste
From blackboard to text books
We learned it well
Even when we work
We still do the copying
From invoices to ledgers
Because this time it is money
So my friends we learned
Yet we dont know how to use
Good only in copying examination
Bad in our own backyard
Now look at Proton
Learning something on its way
Giving face lift to some models
Only if BOD learns from China
Tied it up nicely no dispute
” I get your trade secrets
I made your economy”
It is a good way to made a name
As long as nobody really complains
You get a chic and reliable car
Pockets never blow into many holes
Perhaps I say we should do
There so many great cars to choose!
copy cat for business
14/12/05 10.32am
December 14, 2005 @ 10:37 am
dun play play… China has bought Malaysian’s most powderful engine… Petronas’ E01W 2.0 217bhp engine design to put inside their cars….
December 14, 2005 @ 10:45 am
wad a rip off..damn a*shole
December 14, 2005 @ 11:16 am
wahahah!!! at least China knows it has the advantage (low labor and raw materials cost and high growth HUGE market) and abuse it to the max,
unlike here in bolehland where we dont have the comparative advantage like china, yet we want to abuse it as well? piracy? we have all these Intellectual piracy in form of cd, vcd and dvd from songs to movies to softwares. cars? we have cut and paste designs and claim as our own. FDI? we want them omputih to must have at least 30% bumi ownership or equity shareholding baru boleh masuk…
so what better are we than those china copycatkings??
December 14, 2005 @ 12:35 pm
cHINA kING oF tHICK fACE
December 14, 2005 @ 12:54 pm
they copy also got standard one, you think they simply copy from other cars meh…. if you can see they copy from proton then proton must be very famous lo…..proton really ‘ho lan kan’ lol
December 14, 2005 @ 12:54 pm
Like Wu Jin Tao said, China developm is not a threat but opportunity. It depends how u look at it.
December 14, 2005 @ 1:36 pm
i think goverment should follow the china automotive industry in order to become giant in this industry………. all foreign car should get their spare parts from local company…… ahak ahak ahak….
December 14, 2005 @ 2:07 pm
This is what can be deemed as government-endosed-piracy. This latest development can be view like how a cunning wolf can use it’s skill to slowly bait their victim into it’s jaw. This can only happened inside China. I hope the foreign car maker will drag the China government to court to teach them a lesson. It’s getting out of hand. Let us take a look at this piracy example
from the land of piracy:-
http://www.clubsonyericsson.com/forum/index.php/topic,3778.0.html
&
http://mobile.163.com/special/B/00111KKC/BLACK%20MOBILE.html
December 14, 2005 @ 2:44 pm
china can tax parts from other countries but other countries dont tax china parts?
December 14, 2005 @ 4:37 pm
well atleast they have free copy n free learn, unlike malaysia paid too much for learning, until now still cant give up producing the saga… that’s really a “saga” the name mean for it
December 14, 2005 @ 5:21 pm
not terribly different from here anyway.
December 14, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
“The problem is foreign car manufacturers are not allowed to setup their own businesses in China. They must partner up with an existing Chinese company, forced to accept minority shareholding.”
This thing is applied to Malaysia too, well i can say, the chinese are making use of their chance. Compare to Malaysia, what have we done?
China->Not good but not too bad……
December 14, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
well well.. to all bolehland people… this bolehland is a place that complained by people from Bolehland…… people in copycat land.. wanted so much to cum here… yet we nag nag… complained….. macam macam….
by now.. we knows.. the copy cat “how busuh” they can be…
is time.. for belohland.. to support own product n by proud of belohland… some small n little problems here is fine….. rather then.. there… no 1 can trust… walk on the street of hungry n lier…who knows… 1 day we will might consume “Fake milk powder”…….
(i saw a news born baby was acid wash there in order to get money from public.. and many many more…….)//// copy cat land..is nice but scary place too
December 14, 2005 @ 6:03 pm
Hmm,I wonder why these Chinese people can copy bulat-bulat without being sued,even motorcycles from China are the same copy..Haha,like Honda EX5,they have Manja GX5..Conspiracy perhaps??Anyone can clarify on this??
December 14, 2005 @ 6:25 pm
OMG, they suck. Cunning.
December 14, 2005 @ 6:45 pm
copy this n that atlis better n not simply. every 1 also copy. it look like but not a same .
it more a lase a same. s long value for money.
December 14, 2005 @ 6:53 pm
Dear DAN,
u quote “it more a lase a same. s long value for money. ”
Ooops,let’s me clarify it,not value for money,but WASTE OF MONEY!!!Use the vehicle for some time and u know what I mean..Problems here and there,even worse that POTONG!!!!Somemore no resale value,and I think like i am using Petaling Street fake items u know..Haha..
December 14, 2005 @ 7:33 pm
they copy so open oh , the honda 1 & laibao (come n hug?) 1, fuh, so direct. blind one oso can c the exterior tat’s EXACTLY the same. wow, rili china G oso support tat piracy , no wonder CD piracy so rampant in china.!!!!! more terrible than M’sia!!!!!
TAK BOLEH TEHEN (TAHAN) !!!!!!!!!!
December 14, 2005 @ 9:21 pm
Damn copycat!!!
December 14, 2005 @ 10:34 pm
Sigh….beggining phase was always difficuit..dont u all remember that Japan had one to be copycat for europe product before? anyway…!00 % copy ..mean not good. China should start thinking of it. People used dont know how many hours or months to figure out the design. But China only used few minute only for the design.
December 14, 2005 @ 10:36 pm
yes indeed that china is copycat…
but don’t forget, Taiwan been a copycat for IT hardware, japan also copycat in lot of sectors… korean? copycat to japan’s car industries…
so, is a process… the main point here is, will they get what they want in order to get to another stage: fully development country?
copy the good, took out the bad.
cheers…
December 14, 2005 @ 11:30 pm
they copy benz c class n so many other cars some here still say good….hehehhehehe…malaysians i think no matter will kutuk own country even though some other counteries r even bad in this case China….
they can even force them to set up company there huh? so keng….
if malaysia had that policy we all sure kutuk kau kau….
n back to design…..hyundai sonata? own design ke? cut n paste ……..
so many other cars too……..n usually all cars in a category will almost look the same shape…cause that the dimension they have to follow too…….u wanna design a small car look like a sedan ah?
December 14, 2005 @ 11:33 pm
but surely we have to look at developed contires for strageties………of how they came up…..
at least proud we dont copy…..(like those geely c class)
like someone said…..u feed your baby fake milk powder also u dunno whtere its real product or fake……
n besides they copy c class design or 7 series or any other cars for that matter………the quality same ah?
December 14, 2005 @ 11:35 pm
piracy in china is such that they sell fake goods as originals……here in bolehland at we boleh know that what is fake n what is ori….by the price..
there those cunning fellows rip fortunes by sellign them as originals…….go to hell…..n china supporting them……what a good country…….make money good la….but not cheating like this….love to c the fake owner company giv the same milk powder to his son or his grandchildren
December 14, 2005 @ 11:38 pm
there was even a case in CHina recently….one fellow decide he owns the moon n start selling plots of land on the moon……..talk about greediness…….^&*#$%%% idiots…..
December 14, 2005 @ 11:41 pm
China is much worse than M’sia. what do ya think?
December 14, 2005 @ 11:50 pm
million times worse…..but sadly alot of people close eye….,………
December 15, 2005 @ 12:23 am
good copy. If M’sia follow the step. Every M’sian can have better car then what we have now!
December 15, 2005 @ 12:27 am
atlease they changed CR-V to SR-V.. o_O
December 15, 2005 @ 12:45 am
hmm..maybe they used rebatched transfer technology same like the 1 NAZA used for Kia..who knows.’…
December 15, 2005 @ 12:55 am
The only reason why all these foreign automotives set up their operation in China is bcause of their mega huge market mah!
Think go to china can cut those chinaman throat , but kena play backside balik.
I wonder when china start to produce “furrari & lambomimi ” or maybe
sawi & kangkong . argh !!!! shit them….
December 15, 2005 @ 1:41 am
Hahaha! This is hilarious!! Look at the rear wheel of SR-V compared to the CR-V. And the front wheel too! LOL!! No matter how much exactly they copied, they will always get it wrong! Bloody hell!!!
December 15, 2005 @ 1:54 am
simply accuse of piracy…wer got la…diff color wat !!
December 15, 2005 @ 2:15 am
kalau rajin bacalah
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2005/tc20051213_232968.htm
December 15, 2005 @ 4:15 am
interesting article by nohiddenagenda, another western trying to discredit china’s success, in fact they just afraid of this asian giant.
through i dont really like china ppl’s style but why should i like a western? lol
December 15, 2005 @ 7:51 am
they r good
December 15, 2005 @ 8:36 am
China will LEAD SOON… becareful
December 15, 2005 @ 10:21 am
At the expense of their workers and environment.
December 15, 2005 @ 11:53 am
Mainlanders are Scumbags of the Universe, filthy disgusting neanderthals. Parasites of the civilized nations.
December 15, 2005 @ 12:55 pm
Man, they are REALLY sneaky motherforkers.
December 15, 2005 @ 12:58 pm
man,
so true at the expense of worker & environment… for one country to talk about human rights.
As a regular visiotor to china I’m saddened by wat happen there. Still remember choking with sadness agin and again at the treatment givent by my collegue to their lower ranking staff.
Bu me work for rice bowl only so can look only lah.
December 15, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
They’re robber…….
no wonder people said that the mainland chinese is very wicked…..
At least no people right here do this thing….haha
December 15, 2005 @ 3:49 pm
China produce world best photocopy machine, the car model copy out sure as original,sure precise.I dun know whether ppl from that country are all same face or not??
December 15, 2005 @ 6:51 pm
you guys kutuk so much of china, later if they do well…. malaysia might be the next copycat country. we all know japan did very well by copycating all the technologies from the west. at that time, who the h*ll know about copycating? it’s only an issue, the result well tell
December 15, 2005 @ 9:38 pm
sometimes i really wish Proton would copy some designs from other cars. their so-called original designs sucks.
December 15, 2005 @ 11:54 pm
create new technologies, M’sia lag behind Japan, US……….
copy technologies, M’sia lag behind China……..
what is M’sia leading? Good at starting a new international forum or dialogue?
December 16, 2005 @ 12:07 am
there’s most than just that model…
they have copy models for almost everything…
imagine this,
old mercedes C Class front…
coupled with an old golf rear…
onto a mini chassis something like a saga (in size)….
it’s a ROC manufactured car…
go figure..
and i can properly attest to the super piracy statements..
i’ve seen Toyota Hiace & 4/5 similiar chassis with other brands on it…
and all the ROC made ones are more luxurious than the original Hiace..
December 16, 2005 @ 8:20 am
even if u want to copy, do u have de technologies to do it? China has their look alike Pajero, own motorcycles & scooters. Engine by themselves. Our Modenas still using kawasaki leh..
December 16, 2005 @ 8:54 am
china doesnt design and build their own engines. their R&D facilities actually lag behind malaysias.
When you copy so blatantly, you dont need to spend a lot on R&D.
the japanese did reverse engineering. get something good from another country, take it apart, learn from it, and try and build a better one yourself. Thats not really copying.
“furrari & lambomimi” now thats hilarious
December 16, 2005 @ 10:49 am
what??? why with u people…when proton copy u guys kutuk2…speedometer for Gen2 too alfa romeoish, SRM looks so GM’s waja is a mixed of many cars…but when china’s car do that, a lot of u salute them…wth is happening to malaysians?? luv other’s country product even it is fully copied from other…think about it again la wei…malaysia boleh…
December 16, 2005 @ 1:04 pm
frankly i dont like China allowing (or their ppl doing it) this copying thing… it’s so… aiyah… we know how bad it is lah…
but we still have malaysians who supports pirated cd, vcd and dvd… so what can i say about it?
December 16, 2005 @ 5:04 pm
regarding people saying japan, korea also copycats. THINK
copycat is ok. but china’s is piracy. not copycat.
December 16, 2005 @ 5:13 pm
HEY….alll…don`t say that proton not good
bangang la kamu ni…ada ka proton copy 100% kereta mitsubishi???? mana kamu taruh otak ooo…..mata kamu mana??? kamu tgk kereta cina ni…98.99% sama ngan crv
tp bagus juga la…bole aku pakai crv Copy ni…..murah kn org mana tau saya pakai kereta cina…kalau saya tukar logo sama nama pigi honda mana org tau….cuma kalo mo bali ni kereta risiko nyawa la…sepa mau mati capat beli la…kamu ni org malaysia ka atau china??bila malaysia buat kereta kamu kutuk…tp bila china buat kereta adala yang cakap`they still learning la…they fast learning la…paga ka kamu ni???
December 16, 2005 @ 6:40 pm
China—> MY WAY or the High WAY.
They can survive by their own. They don’t need you.
December 17, 2005 @ 9:56 am
honda_driver said,
December 16, 2005 @ 8:54 am
china doesnt design and build their own engines. their R&D facilities actually lag behind malaysias.
> who said so? My customer were there. They did like wht u mentioned “the japanese did reverse engineering. get something good from another country, take it apart, learn from it, and try and build a better one yourself.”
>> the results, they got it cheaper in cost… Believe it or not, depends..
December 17, 2005 @ 10:17 am
let us do polls, so who said
i) what china do is good type 1 and
ii) what china do is bad type 2
December 17, 2005 @ 11:50 pm
2 la. if they dun stop it, virtually everything n anything foreign that reaches their hand will be copied 100% n jual in China at cheap price!!!!! So, which china ppl will buy foreign things? coz their own companies can produce the same thing too….hm….i mean exterior mainly.
December 21, 2005 @ 8:59 am
Just curious to what’s powering the china version of the CRV? I was told it utilises solid axles(!)..?
December 21, 2005 @ 10:05 pm
m’sia is expert copy VCD and DVD number 1 in the world
December 23, 2005 @ 1:02 pm
Copy Old Models, Please!!!!!!!!
December 28, 2005 @ 2:37 pm
I have a sony hifi made in China, in two years the CD and cassete player kaput, better buy hifi made in Malaysia.
January 6, 2006 @ 6:00 pm
frankly i don’t like chinese copying others works and claimed those are their efforts. this is no more copy, but steal!! but if i compare to the useless and unproductive malaysia, which don’t has the ability even to copy….. sweat….embarassing…..