Proton Satria Replacement Model Teaser Site
Proton has put up a teaser site for the Satria Replacement Model over at Desire. Teaser ads with the URL were shown at KL International Motor Show the last 3 days. The site looks incomplete though, not all the games are working. They also have an image of the SRM dashboard there. Looks nice, they’ve stuck to the standard dual-pod sporty Lotus-inspired design for the two meters, and the colour is blue.
June 8, 2006 @ 1:05 pm
What’s the actual date huh?
June 8, 2006 @ 1:12 pm
The actual date for launching is “KIV” or “NO DATE” until Pak Lah confirm “FREE” or “AVAILABLE”!
June 8, 2006 @ 1:51 pm
walao, like tat………then no need to launch la…..just announce its available for sale then can lo……….no need so much gimmick….
Cheers!!!!!
June 8, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
Paul,
That is the new SRM meter cluster with blue illumination!
The launched date already confirmed on 16/6/06.
June 8, 2006 @ 2:01 pm
dont quite understand the marketing of desire. how desirable is the dashboard?!!?!
June 8, 2006 @ 2:04 pm
There is bluish grey colour of the SRM that make is look like a classy beemer especially with its stylish headlamps. Hope that PM stick to the launch date as he currently squabbling with Ex-PM.
June 8, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
P1 nvr know a good way how to do better on advertising. SRM lauching date already drag for too long till all excitement gone. For me, initially quite eager to know how P1 could breakthrough on SRM. But now feel like quite disgusting to know any news about it.
They should have learned how they failed on Savvy. See how the way that Honda advertising New Civic, or even P2 Myvi… Announce the launching date and count it down will be better than playing all the tricks by driving the car around for spyshots.
June 8, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
the spyshots are resources from the many eyes of the visitors from this blog.
This teaser/trailer type of marketing strat is really a common practise and u’ll easily find it of any marketing txtbook. I don’t know..maybe it will be called Proton Desire.
The eye on Desire.com.my is not one of a local person. It’s foreign. Maybe the colour of the eye is nice, but there is nothing Malaysian about the trailer. If they copy the Angel Eye format of the BMW, we might get Taiwan-quality products. I don’t know how the eye is related to the car. Noticed some words on the trailer, such as lust and desire…Makes me think that Proton is trying to imply that the SRM is a sexy car?
June 8, 2006 @ 2:34 pm
a girl or guy who come late is never sexy (pun fully intended)
June 8, 2006 @ 2:47 pm
theking said - The launched date already confirmed on 16/6/06.
How do you know this confirmed date? Who confirmed and where the source - see from your own “crystal ball” or “plug from the sky”?
June 8, 2006 @ 2:48 pm
Patriotic local product, hrm… I year warranty for local product while oversea they offer better warranty. Better quality and features for oversea product then local content. Look at Savvy in Austrialia with air bags and plus free handphone! Proton just make use of so call patriotic to earn every penny from locals. Wonder if this car be more like Waja, which turn locals to test dummy for Proton.
Just wonder is it worthy buying this car and pay for 7 years [1 year warranty, low quality and unreliable] or pay 9 year for toyota car like VIOS [3 years warranty, good quality equipment and reliability].
June 8, 2006 @ 2:57 pm
Joe Ooi,
Just wait and see!
June 8, 2006 @ 3:07 pm
is nice to see it. hope that proton this time will do well !
June 8, 2006 @ 3:19 pm
joe ooi, maybe you can ask your source? whats his name? “whistle blower”, the guy who told you about the copper fuel tank.
June 8, 2006 @ 3:37 pm
theking - just wait and see
Aiya, wait for at least 2 years already still need to wait and see. Definitely want to know where is the source of this news and who confirmed it so that by 16/6/06 if “tak jadi”, then we can pin down who is the big liar! Otherwise honda_driver may say “this is the press job and not come from P1 or other all kind of arguments”. This request is stricly to remove future (next week) “ambiquity”!
honda_driver - about “whistle blower” - their info on “quality campaign” and “strategic alliance” by P1 “main agendas” are design to boost sales and prop up share price is to certain extent lend some “credential”. But about copper fuel tank, got second opinion from my mechanic informed me it is make of metal but coated with anti-corrosion material, so my “whistle blower” “do not do a good job” in this aspect and this info is considered as “redundance” and can ignore it.
About my source on launch date, currently the status is “no info”. How about your side, any info?
June 8, 2006 @ 3:41 pm
Joe ooi,
This time is REAL, info of course from Proton.
June 8, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
i guess we all wait and see. i actually expected the launch to be at KLIMs. but since they showed those teaser ads at Klims, should be close… but.. wait..er.. hang on, its the PM on the line… “what did you say sir, oh.. ok.. great.., thanks, and yup, my mum is well, bye bye sir”
yup.. i think it could be very soon that SRM will launch.
June 8, 2006 @ 4:05 pm
The meter panel look solid from the ads..But who knows,when come to production,cheap plastic?..Jangan mudah terpedaya wahai kawan2 ku..Hehehe
June 8, 2006 @ 4:10 pm
what if its gonna be named “proton desire’? that kinda sux compared to names like impreza, evo, z8, a1 etc. but then again, this is the same automobile company that came up with names like juara, wira,, arena, waja, and (drum rolls)….savvy (worst of the lot). P2 fared the same, kancil, rusa, kelisa and the latest… (another drum roll) myvi (timed right with the savvy). hehe.
hope things change in the malaysian automotive scene. bring out the open market system (the best i know about economics) and see the improvements in leaps n bounds. till then lets pray for the best for the souls of all malaysians.
n to all the other readers, no point bashing the proton or perodua on sites like paultan.org. its time we figured out how to really make a change in the malaysian automotive industry. i’m no expert in these stuff, but i just feel that we make too much noise without any actions. its time we did something. after all, we are the people who make up this country and “boleh”land can still boleh if we voice out accordingly. just my 2 sen for the paultan.org community.
June 8, 2006 @ 4:16 pm
everyone just got fedup with the gimmick. i dont think anyone care about this car anymore. feels like expired cookie
June 8, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
Notive the speedometer?….. Waaaa… 240??… Even my sentra shows 220. Hehehehe……
June 8, 2006 @ 4:28 pm
“Foooooyoh, luckily i didnt book the OTHER car!”
June 8, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
huh?
does this mean it’ll be called the proton desire?
June 8, 2006 @ 4:41 pm
Hmm, seems like they might actually call the SRM the Proton Desire. Just my 2 cents.
June 8, 2006 @ 4:43 pm
Lawa la… but P1.. pls bulit 4 doors SRM in the future… i might want to buy..
June 8, 2006 @ 4:44 pm
Lets give proton the last chance ok
June 8, 2006 @ 4:46 pm
My meter also shows 240km/h but who dares to go that fast? At 160km/h, a normal person’s balls already started to shrink…
June 8, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
acbc,
Speed limit is 110 km/h, be a good boy. thanks. i’ll be here all week.
June 8, 2006 @ 5:02 pm
acbc: at 160km/h, my balls still steady. =p
June 8, 2006 @ 5:16 pm
hahahah not shrink laa but explode,hahahahah
June 8, 2006 @ 5:25 pm
160kmp on a bike oso no sweat… 160kmp in a car = fun…
June 8, 2006 @ 5:41 pm
SRM = Satria replacement model
Satria has always been a 3 door hatch.
4 door hatch back = Wira aeroback.
SRM 4 door hatch back = Gen.2
the SRM is basically, the hatchback version of the Gen.2
June 8, 2006 @ 5:46 pm
even if it will be named proton desire i think it’s a good name..what’s wrong with it..
June 8, 2006 @ 5:58 pm
yeah dat’s correct, honda driver
btw the ad looks really cool… looks like one of those cool assignements that we’d submit in college… can’t wait for the Desire/Neo…
June 8, 2006 @ 6:05 pm
got an email from my friend..
more spy pics.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9824/newsrm9xr.jpg
June 8, 2006 @ 6:25 pm
You know even though it says there 240km, it will not go say 220 KM. Like the savvy they say max speed is 175km, but meters are 180/200, I forgot. And unless you know a very long long straight empty road, there is no way to get 175km. I’ve got highest is 145km, and feel abit uncomfortable with the body roll
June 8, 2006 @ 6:30 pm
Guys,
It is confirmed the launch is on the 16th of this month. Trust me. Further, dont think it’ll be called desire. some other name. nevermind that, its a damn good looking car.
June 8, 2006 @ 7:42 pm
Well, mind you guys don’t drive so fast in a proton with not enough safety features!! no ABS, no airbags, no EBD… etc.. life is more important than driving fast in a Proton. Try other better cars with better safety features if wanna drive fast. Not worth die in a Proton.
June 8, 2006 @ 7:51 pm
[ ya u r right.! ]
June 8, 2006 @ 8:18 pm
i try max 13x km/h , the car turn into sharp windnoise .
but fast lo
June 8, 2006 @ 10:04 pm
Oh my…the meter looks like the Gen2
haih…another monkey design with the name “desire”..
Why Proton cannot improve their vehicle like merz?? Its quite long the Proton has establish…but,, haih…
Proton always have a quite nice look of their car but if look into deeply for the quality…suckz man! Somemore they always come out new look with just some accessories add on only…Proton Wira is a very good example..
Try notice the drawer of the left passanger seat carefully…compare 10 years ago Proton Wira with the current Proton Wira Special Edition…Well I have found the same failure but i dont know you guys will gonna notice it or not..haha
June 8, 2006 @ 10:09 pm
rave said - Guys, It is confirmed the launch is on the 16th of this month. Trust me. ……… its a damn good looking car.
I have the benefits of doubt on the 16/6/06 launch date given today Star news about TDM vs. Pak Lah. Before KLIMS, say want to launch during KLIMS but Pak Lah not “free”. End of last month, MD SZ said in press the launch date is early June 06 and now you said mid of June 06. Next week last minute may say Pak Lah unable to launch due to “unavoidable circumstances” , etc, etc. Anyway, let the time prove whether it is true or another hype or talk cock by P1.
But I wonder why our Bolehland “proctocol” like or look like it is “compulsory” have to invite minister to officiate even consumers product(s). Somemore P1 lousy quality, inadequate safety features yet sale at relatively high price compare to free market yet have the gut to invite our PM to “endorse” it. Next time if I am a bit enterpreneur and come out with “coca-cola flavour goreng pisang”, also have to write letter to our PM to launch it lol, uniquely bolehland product!
Never saw previous or current US President George Bush launch GMC, Chevy, Ford, Chrysler, Buick, Mustang, etc, etc or Japanese PM launch Toyota, Honda, Madza, Nissan, Subaru, Daihatsu, Hino, etc, etc, cars, or saw Margaret Thatcher, John Major or Tony Blair launch Jaguar, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, MG Rover (now “sleep permanently”). But in 1990s, when UK PM John Major visited our country, part of his scheduled was visited P1 Shah Alam plant and sat at Wira car, perhaps out of our Bolehland “protocol” or P1 want to show off its “engineering feat”. But perhaps in John Major mind, huh ….. what is this…. my country can built Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, Harrier jump jet, Challenger MBT, Tornado fighter jet, parnership with German and French built Airbus, etc, etc, …… he, he …… “never mind lah give P1 face…” I came to this country for diplomatic mission but end up looking for this kind of
products? What to do this is Bolehland, 1st class infrastructure, 3rd class mentality?
If US, Japan or UK have similar “proctocol” with our Bolehland, then every month (if not every week) their PM/President must be busy with launch cars new models? So perhaps good also may be US president don’t have the time to think on how to invade Iraq or Afganistan?
June 8, 2006 @ 10:37 pm
mystvearn, u’re right. every car has meters that display more than their actual max speed. why? because this is so that in case the owner upgrades the engine, tunes or upgrades the car, the meter would still be able to cope with the added velocity. hee hee…
June 8, 2006 @ 10:47 pm
acbc…160 not fast lor…still ok lor…:)…btw…the gauges looks ok…but i familioar with that dsg…hhmmm…
June 8, 2006 @ 10:51 pm
francis…dun say merc la…too early about dat…jz say skoda…still cannot match with dat maker…
June 8, 2006 @ 11:07 pm
FINALLY!
hopefully get to test drive soon… heard the handling is “double” of GTi (according to some feedback)
auto open/close glove compartment, 1.6 with BK, EBD, Airbag and ABS…
sigh, drolling already… 16th! ok ok… at first thought have to concentrate fully on WC but now have to take time off to test car… hahaha.. come come.. waited very long for you already… SRM… Proton Neo… oossshh!
June 8, 2006 @ 11:08 pm
my dad dealer for proton he said srm launch 16th june 2006 confirm. 1.6 campro thank you
June 8, 2006 @ 11:15 pm
jtshin said,
June 8, 2006 @ 7:42 pm
Well, mind you guys don’t drive so fast in a proton with not enough safety features!! no ABS, no airbags, no EBD… etc.. life is more important than driving fast in a Proton. Try other better cars with better safety features if wanna drive fast. Not worth die in a Proton.
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If you are driving in excess of 120kph (or about 70mph), unless you’re driving a proper sports car, no safety features in the world can be counted to save your life. Airbags are useless if the whole body shell of the car is wrecked. ABS and EBD might help you stop your car quicker, but stock brakes on normal cars are not high performance breaks. So they are also useless. If you look at Euro Ncap procedures, the crash tests are all done at VERY low speeds. 64kph frontal impact, (which effectively means if you hit another car, both cars must have a maximum speed of 32kph), and 50 kph side impact. Try driving 50kph and 32kph on your cars, those speeds are practically nothing, and normal cars are engineered only to survive crashes at those speeds. If you drive too fast on a normal car and crash, you’ll basically die. The main problem I think is that everyone THINKS that they know how to handle cars at high speeds, but no one actually knows how to do it properly. That’s why advanced driving courses and race license can get away with being very expensive. because the people that provide those courses know how important they are. It’s never worth it dying in car crashes, it doesn’t matter what brand the car is.
June 8, 2006 @ 11:37 pm
purity, where’d you heard that? i hope it’s true..and of course the date..dont postpone again..
June 8, 2006 @ 11:45 pm
joe ooi, i understand that our country is ful of protocol such as needing a minister to launch a car but you can’t just compare our country with the other countries. We are different and we have our way to do things. I dont like protocols, anyway, but comparing blindly is just unfair. Just a piece of idea from me.
June 8, 2006 @ 11:50 pm
purity…is that true??
June 9, 2006 @ 12:07 am
wisdom_bin - I dont like protocols, anyway, but comparing blindly is just unfair. Just a piece of idea from me.
Respect your right of idea but I disagree with you that I compare “blindly” as the PM/President in many countries (not limited to developed countries) even our neighbours also the protocol is more on minister present on government related projects or related to welfare of the society at large, rather than commercial entity (I considered P1 GLC as commercial entity).
However, agreed with you that we have our unique way of doing thing, including open house during raya, CNY, Deepavali, Christmas, etc which the leader(s) can mingle freely with rakyat (without security concern or at “minimum” as we are pride to be peacefull country) and this “special arrangement” can’t find in any other part ofd the world.
Just to share with you, last time in Belfast, Northern Ireland, if you are local, went to market buy vegetable also have to go thru weapon search? If do this thing in our Bolehland, “damn stupid”!
June 9, 2006 @ 1:50 am
well al i can say is ur guys gotta give proton a break..they have been mismanaged and used just to seek profits without carin for the future of the company…wit all the protection they had…they would and will be a big player if they were managed well and had sucessfull tie ups…they really have gone off da track but u gotta stop somewhere and try to rethink of u direction and thats the position they are in…its up to the individual if they wana support in them or not…thats what i think
June 9, 2006 @ 2:28 am
Thanx for your explanation joe ooi.However, i still dont like protocols, it’s a waste of time and effort for me. The leader of the developed countries maybe dont even have enough time as they have too many cars producers whereas proton is gov’s anak emas.Maybe that’s y but still the main idea is we shouldnt compare everything we have to what others have and how we do things to what others do things. That’s the main idea i’m trying to say.Not referring to you, joe.Again, thanx for the explanation.
June 9, 2006 @ 3:37 am
I hope the interior comes in dark colour…more sportier. From the desire teaser it looks like it comes in black…
June 9, 2006 @ 3:41 am
anything black is sporty
June 9, 2006 @ 3:46 am
guys… the specs i read from some other forum also. PROTONMANIA & MOTOR TRADER FORUM…
sources shd be quite reliable. otherwise, just wait and see… it’s this 16th (as speculated) or soon since they’ve already got the teaser site up. Anyway, with WC just moments away, at least we have something to distract our thoughts till the launching…
c’mon england, c’mon england, c’mon england…
i wanna see sven do the-robocrouch!!!
June 9, 2006 @ 4:28 am
SRM?????????
from proton??????
HA HA HA………..
anyone berani buy a car?
remember waja?gen2?savvy?
i tak nak product potong, cos i m victim for gen2!!
say no more potong!!!
June 9, 2006 @ 8:18 am
To me P1 should not too much dependent on Pak Lah to launch. The main customer not PL. PL won’t buy at all… dapat free ada la.
Wait for at lah then losing opportunity. Pak Lah pun, if cannot make it, let tell P1 pls find somebody else. Anyway he’s in favour of Naza. Drive difference…..badge
June 9, 2006 @ 9:01 am
Zongtwi a.k.a Speed Junkie,
I know that the Euro NCAP only crashed at 64kph front. Hv u seen the Top Gear clip? The waja injured like that in that speed… while Toyota doesn’t hv any injuries inside the car, just the front engine part. The waja’s steering and brake pedals all moved… with doors can’t open properly after crash, with only that speed. I wonder how safe is this SRM… will it at least get 4 stars out of 5 in Euro NCAP? hmmm…
June 9, 2006 @ 9:10 am
SRM = Satria replacement model
Satria has always been a 3 door hatch.
4 door hatch back = Wira aeroback.
SRM 4 door hatch back = Gen.2
the SRM is basically, the hatchback version of the Gen.2
Yeah say what u like.. but i still prefer it 4 doors.. if they built it 4 doors anyway, up to u la want or not, u like 2 doors, go ahead & buy…. i want it 4 doors.. just like 206 hatchback… if not, i oso know which car i want to choose..
June 9, 2006 @ 9:36 am
JTSHIN, I’m sick and tired of all these dont drive fast in a proton, you will die, not worth dying in a proton.
come on lah dude.. its not worth dying in any car. Just coz you drive other cars, does it mean you will not die if you drive fast and get into an accident?
you can still crash a car and get killed even if you had ABS, EBD.. 8 air bags.. blah blah. blah…
the rule of thumb is, drive safely, and courteously, regardless of what car you drive.
June 9, 2006 @ 9:49 am
motorhead,i’m seriously wondering what planet you are on..
I’m not saying “what I like”. The facts, are the fact. I dont even have to be creative with what i’m saying..
you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. nothing more. look at the pics below, and make up your own mind.
206 - 2 door hatch back (equivalent Satria/SRM)
http://www.nextcar.com.au/i.peugeot.206.GTi180.swrocks.JPG
206 - 4 door hatch back (equivalent Wira Aeroback/Gen2, known as WRM)
http://www.peugeot.fi/Liitetiedostot/Pics/att1024.jpg
206 - 4 door sedan (equivalent Wira/Rumoured to be Gen2 Sedan coming..)
http://www.nolly-it.com/uploaded_images/206sedan-752108.jpg
June 9, 2006 @ 9:57 am
refer to latest information
launch 16/6
estimated price from 43k 1.3 manual basic to
55k 1.6 auto with airbag/ABS/4 disc brake
June 9, 2006 @ 10:39 am
wisdom_bin said - “Thanx for your explanation joe ooi.However, i still dont like protocols, it’s a waste of time and effort for me. The leader of the developed countries maybe dont even have enough time as they have too many cars producers whereas proton is gov’s anak emas.Maybe that’s y but still the main idea is we shouldnt compare everything we have to what others have and how we do things to what others do things. That’s the main idea i’m trying to say.Not referring to you, joe.Again, thanx for the explanation.”
Joe Ooi - Actually I compare not on car products from UK, US or Japan with P1, but more on comparing the roles of PM/President. For Pak Lah, he is the leader of our nation and public figure. It is more appropriate limited to play “public roles”. If come to auto, and it is related to G policy like NAP, then I think Rafidah come in also sufficient already. To ask Pak Lah as a public figure to play “commercial role”, I think shall be avoided as he have more important roles to attend to G matters and of course rakyat problems. Other nation leader always limited to play “public figure” roles but our nation leader have to shoulder extra load of sometime play “commercial roles”.
If P1 want to launch commercial products, then their marketing team shall come out with idea like engage “long mosquito-leg” Amber Chia, Michelle Yeoh, Mawi, Jac, Siti Nurhaliza, etc, etc, to put up the show and endorse their product, that make more marketing sen(se) and have higher publicity attraction.
I very respect and envy the way Datok Fernandes from AirAsia doing marketing, they tie up with MU in marketing activity, never put Pak Lah face at their aeroplane. Look at Zhang Toi (New York), Selangor Pewter (KL) or Peter Choo (London), their respective products of Fashion, Shoes and Pewter need no introduction or endorsement from our naiton leader, but very well known all over the world.
However, I have the highest respect to Datok Lat with his Kampong Boys cartoon on local story, 100% local content (not rebadge like P1) but can penetrate international market. All through his genius and hardwork, without a single sen of tax payer money, yet today so successful until Discovery Channel also had dedicated documentary on his success story!
Zhang Toi, Datok Jimmy Choo, Royal Selangor Pewter and Datok Lat, all of them never ask G for tax payer money or implement “New Fashion Policy”, “New Shoes Policy”, “New Pewter Policy” or “New Cartoon Policy” to protect them or help them to achieve international fame, but all through their shear determination and sacrifice to achieve success! Kudo and good luck to such persons from Bolehland which we can be proud of.
But what P1 achieve with Billion of tax payer money yet protected under NAP? ……………. “
June 9, 2006 @ 10:45 am
More and more overhere stated SRM will be launch on 16/6/06. Hope this time is real, otherwise if not taken place then P1 really big liar no matter what reason(s) given by them.
June 9, 2006 @ 10:53 am
nice clusters~ but have to see the overall package
good from far, far from good
Cheap no good, good no cheap
words to live by
June 9, 2006 @ 11:04 am
HEloo.. my frenz here… seems all of you were asking about the date of the SRM .. from what i heard, this latest baby of Proton will be officially launched by Pak Lah within 16 June 2006 at Centre Of Excellence, PROTON Edar new Showroom. The daleyd was due to the tight schedule of Pak Lah coz he was bz with the last Sarawak election campaign and official govt visit to overseas.
One more thing to add up.. why Proton delayed the launching also because of the request from new MD and board of director whom wanted the project team to change the interior colour from light cream to dark grey & black colour scheme. this car was once again going to through very tight quality inspection…
This car will be fitted with 16″ tyre.. and the R3 concept of the car will come with 17″ tyre. The cabin is quite sporty and compact.. simple design and most of the element was similar to the Lotus Europa… Targeted for young people… and very sporty… This car will be offered wide variant of body paint such as metallic orange, sparkling silver, nighthawk black, apple green.. maybe Subaru impreza colour scheme…
On the other hand… wait for the new facelift Waja ( maybe Waja GCC) - without the ugly hood, new Gen.2 Ehancement and Gen.2 R3 Edition and also lots more to come within end of this year and 2007…. Adios…
June 9, 2006 @ 11:17 am
lately.. this blog become so BORING
June 9, 2006 @ 11:24 am
abe: Any suggestions so you won’t find it boring?
June 9, 2006 @ 11:44 am
abe - “BORING”, I suggest Paul not put in but link abe to “xxx” site so that he will feel “EXCITING” all the time, “sleep also not close eye”. He find boring doesn’t mean applicable to other.
June 9, 2006 @ 11:45 am
OVERALL, Proton have improved Quality a lot, since they launch SAVVY. Savvy is a reliable & good quality car, (due TUV quality control). I believe Proton have learn some good skill & knowledge from them; so GEN2 & WAJA also improved.
Keep support PROTON, pls.
June 9, 2006 @ 11:48 am
thomas - many support Proton but all the time P1 let down the supporter.
June 9, 2006 @ 11:53 am
Anybody got invited to the lauch? I wish I’m on the list..
June 9, 2006 @ 11:56 am
i heard that the public are invited to their proton coe showroom, next to kesas highway, that big glass building 6pm onwards.
June 9, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
motorhead,i’m seriously wondering what planet you are on..
I’m not saying “what I likeâ€. The facts, are the fact. I dont even have to be creative with what i’m saying..
Honda driver..
I am on bolehland.. I am just given a proposal to P1 to make 4 doors SRM.. I think it is possible, since this is Bolehland.. & furthermore it can create more options to P1 product… , & if proton officials look at my comments, maybe they can consider.. (in the future)…
This is my 1st comment..
“Lawa la… but P1.. pls bulit 4 doors SRM in the future… i might want to buy.. ”
The comment was meant for P1.. & especially not for u!
So, what is ur problem?..
June 9, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
some people here thinking this blog are their own blog.
>>abe - “BORINGâ€, I suggest Paul not put in but link abe to “xxx†site so that he >>will feel “EXCITING†all the time, “sleep also not close eyeâ€. He find boring >>doesn’t mean applicable to other.
thx, jeff ooi. i’m sure u’re really xpert about ‘xxx’ site
June 9, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
abe - not “expertlah”, but sometime see see n look look on internet for “excitement”! Even, computer got virus, this kind of site also can pop up! Just to share with you mah how to overcome “Boring”.
Note: this in one way of doing it but out there may be “thousand” way, so any idea, can share with us …….. lol, sorry out of topic ah ……
OK back to biz, now I am more convince that the SRM will be launch on 16/6/06 given the comments posted on this site and hope this time is for real! About invitation to Centre of Excellence at Shah Alam by P1, I think don’t need to take hassle to go there for the sake of see SRM, any P1 showroom nearby shall be good enough.
June 9, 2006 @ 2:34 pm
not jeff oii..Joe Ooi..
June 9, 2006 @ 3:05 pm
I’m just waiting to see it at my place Sg. Besar. I also agree with the suggestion of having 4 doors SRM. Consider its as an option for family man who like sporty looks. At least it can whack the Naza 206.
June 9, 2006 @ 3:20 pm
honda_driver, I think u’re starting to make some ppl burning here… everyone is just trying to make some oipinions of themselves, I’m nt saying myself not happy by wat u said as I know this is a public forum that everyone can give their opinions. the 4 door 206 doesn’t equivalent to Gen-2 is equivalent to satria 4 doors. look at the design… The Gen-2 is between 206 4 doors and 206 sedan. that’s wat I think. N bout the crash and die part, is up to u cos that’s ur opinion, wat I think is that is still safer at least we get a better safety featured car as the percentage of crash n die is lower even though is still is. If not, what those ppl make those safety features for? gimmick?
By the way HP7540, where did u get the info? seems interesting news there. Looking forward to the new facelifts n versions…
June 9, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
gosh… lots of separate discussions goin on here… it’s not so boring eh, paul?
June 9, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
jtshin said,
June 9, 2006 @ 3:20 pm
By the way HP7540, where did u get the info? seems interesting news there. Looking forward to the new facelifts n versions…
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He might be Protonian..
June 9, 2006 @ 6:04 pm
O O like that ah - Protonian…
Look at the way HP7540 statement, he may be Protonian, or not but have access to the car personally with permission. But look at the name, sound like HP products, like series nos. for laser printer, computer, etc.
Anyway this is my guessing and I would like to reiterate that I still highly respect your “name”. Best thing is let you to disclose, rather than perhaps based on my “low level guessing works”. Anyway thank for the good info if found out to be true!
Cheers, no offend and no “name shouting” …….
June 9, 2006 @ 6:24 pm
Yeah jtshin u r rite,
This is public forum!..2 doors @ 4 doors org punya sukalah!.. If proton is to bulit SRM with 4 doors, like Honda driver decide meh? Who r u Honda driver?.. Tun ka? Advisor in proton or what?? If peugeot can make 2 options for its 206, why not proton do the same to SRM? cannot discard 4 doors car’s market is much larger here…
I read in newspaper b4, that proton’s officials go to auto blogs to seek people’s response. So I just gave them some info here…Not more than that.
Who want to argue with you in the 1st place??
“you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. nothing more..” sounds like you yourself honda driver…
June 9, 2006 @ 6:57 pm
omfg motorhead you rreally got problem lah
i SRM is actually the 2 door version of gen 2
gen 2 = is suppose to be replacement model for wira aeroback
srm = is replacement model for satria
so if u want a 4 doors srm go buy gen 2 lah
and i know some will say gen 2 looks different from srm but come on la if they make it look the same just change put 2 door people will flame proton say they lazy la this la
June 9, 2006 @ 7:22 pm
This SRM just another Gen-2 variant. Is it gonna be named Desire? Proton Desire? Sound quite nice. Elegant name if it is true. I think 4 door SRM@desire is a good option. Even Daihatsu mira in japan come in 2 door version but in Malaysia they sold Kancil in 4 door after market study and survey. hey, this is the real Daihatsu feasibility study. I think proton is trying to hard to achieve something, but they really need to listen what are the product people want. They fail miserablely in this aspect.
June 9, 2006 @ 8:06 pm
My office is just next to proton showroom but the business is very poor, i think see less than 5 cars in a month and i guess the SRm will not be launched so soon as what i know …but i think the quality is the same as G2..terrible..Paper said that proton will only produce new model in another 18 months..so wait for it dudes
June 9, 2006 @ 9:10 pm
flizzardo,
it seems like your statement is a bit blurry…
since proton don’t want ppl to say they are lazy…so they do something different…hence, SRM and Gen2 will not look alike exactly…
and probably some people might prefer the minute detail of SRM over gen2…
June 9, 2006 @ 9:27 pm
All of you disagree with each other, blurrrrrr kah, got problem kah, whatever hu hu ha ha you want to make, come 12.00 AM 2night, “NO DISTURB” - World Cup time …………………
June 9, 2006 @ 9:31 pm
correct me if i’m wrong… but i haven’t heard of QC problems on the savvy. i think proton is improving… at least i hope it is. there is no point in talking bout P1’s old mistakes, its not gonna change anything. as we all know they screwed up a lot in the past. new management for the new car… all we can do is wait till the 16th.
btw, many proton dealers are trying really hard to sell off their old stock like waja, wira, gen2 & iswara. one dealer is givin rm200 in petrol, rm2000 discount on the car, and rm100 in service vouchers. signs of a very near launch date for SRM i think. 16th looks feasible.
June 9, 2006 @ 10:39 pm
Folks, I would like to join the carnival that you guys are having on P1.
To me, let P1 do whatever they want, just abolish the NAP and let all the other auto makers compete on a level playing field here, agree? anyone?
No more crazy blood sucking tax!!!
June 9, 2006 @ 11:00 pm
Yeah betullah tu, go mampus dgn NAP… lets watch world cup, after that I want to play with my wife!!! hahaha!!..
Have a nice weekend everybody, frens & foes…
June 10, 2006 @ 1:01 am
haterade - Proton survival not only limited to fixed up the QC problems. It shall be discontinue production for Iswara, Wira, Perdana, etc to come out with totally new model, not cut here and paste there or make cosmatic changes only to existing model then claim it to be new model? Can Proton make it without partnership? Can Proton go into partnership like Perodua structure? Can Proton compete in open market? Can Proton ask G to dismantle blood sucking NAP??????????????????? There are many ????? as to the survival of Proton.
Don’t tell that MD SZ can fix power window or absorber then do a good job already? If don’t want to talk about the past, now we talk about future, the Savvy when launched last year, just like Gen-2 target to sell 50 to 60 K unit, but the Proton Holding Bhd website shown Savvy sold in 2005 slightly above 6,000 unit only for approximately 6 month support by TUV advert by Wolfgang - “Das it Perfekt” slogan? Where is Wolfgang, claimed every Savvy is personally checked by him, no news already or he got his fat cheque, return to Germany and drive his BMW enjoying his life? Look at Perodua even delivered 7,102 unit in March 06 alone? Any private commercial venture, the main and most important KPI is sales/turnover. No or less sales nothing to talk?
When Proton just like Toyota and Merc can conquer any part of the world. If Proton claim contribute to national economy, then dismantle NAP, show to rakyat and go to US, Europe or Japan and sale 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 millions car and bring back the money to enrich our nation, not complaint they come to Bloehland ask rakyat to make “patriotic contribution” under CarTaxLand sucking NAP which cost easily more than RM 6 billion to feed the vicious and predatory crocs and AP King? Show to rakyat Proton is capable, not “moral hazard” or liability to rakyat. Finally when can Proton do it? Likely direction is joint MG Rover - “sleep permanently” given current operating structure with resistent to change.
June 10, 2006 @ 2:06 am
Although MG Rover “sleep permanently” at least they produce decent cars, Rover has already been taken over by a Chinese Automaker. My favourite team won….Bring back VW…I want Passat.
June 10, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
is it proton neo??? replacing satria
June 10, 2006 @ 12:49 pm
Proton neo not desire???
June 10, 2006 @ 3:33 pm
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This is my 1st comment..
“Lawa la… but P1.. pls bulit 4 doors SRM in the future… i might want to buy.. â€
The comment was meant for P1.. & especially not for u!
So, what is ur problem?..
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by reading the counter comment from motorhead to ‘proton’_driver….
Feel like Protonians (employee or slave), ada dimana2 lah. macam K&K plak.
Rakyat give good recommendation to potong pun kena bash tu .. macam dia tu proton.
if read between the line.. motorhead might like the srm design..
its just about the doors (and its function and what the doors symbolise)..
me also bila tengok balik the spy photo at Salji tu.. feel that srm nampak cam ok, cuma ade parts/design yg tak berkenan.. but this time, biar je lah..
of course potong staff tak larat nak layan la kalau macam ini..
macam2 cadangan bernas … bertambah plak la kerja kang! orang nak balik sharp ni… betul ke??
to re-flame the comparison:
a few potonian berkeras conclude that , geng, geng, geng…
==> Gen2 is SRM 4 door (?????)
THE FACTS
1. the car model name is different (omg! so obvious.)
2. the looks/ body/exterior? look for yourself lor.. same ka? same ka?
3. Interior same ka? huh?
4. chasis.. sama? (but please aaa, same chasis not mean same car ok?, jgn buat buat tak tau pulak..)
5. boring lah nak list down lagi.
who conclude the Gen2 is a variant of SRM (the 4-doors version of SRM) must go and seek bomoh assistance.. mana tau.. got something bad in your body, boleh bomoh tolong halau keluaq..
June 10, 2006 @ 3:56 pm
SRM is the product of yesteryear! 2 doors for today cars is normally “coupe” fast car. Unless SRM introduced as “coupe”, then may another failure. If use back Satria chassis with cosmetic changes only, then nothing to say lol, let 16/6/06 be the witness!
June 10, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
had a short glance of the car… looks really sharp, modern. u’re right, minute detailings will make it stand apart from d GEN.2. no photos, no details…
June 11, 2006 @ 12:18 pm
Yeah kudos intermilan.. i oso dunno how they can say SRM is A gen2 variant.. i like SRM, just the doors matter… but if they want to keep it 2 doors nevermind lah.. but 4 doors option can be bonus to some…. like Yaris for instance, dulu 2 doors, now we have 4 doors Yaris… ini doors punya hal small matter only.. boleh bikin punya… i am confident.. but up to proton la want to invest in the project…kalu ade budget bole la start R&D on 4 doors SRM, for sport small family market segmen…
ps: MD SYED ZAINAL PLEASE TAKE NOTE…
June 11, 2006 @ 4:28 pm
Yes. SRM is another Gen2 variant. In order to save cost, Proton use the Waja floor plan for Gen2 and SRM with minor modification. Even Honda done this with their Fit family a.k.a City and Jazz. Notice the Forrester, Subaru use same chassis as the Legacy. The New Ford Focus share the same platform with Volvo. It is common nowadays. Want to know more, find and read. Don’t just blatantly critised something or someone. Take a time and think. We are civilised people right?
June 11, 2006 @ 4:28 pm
Yes. SRM is another Gen2 variant. In order to save cost, Proton use the Waja platform for Gen2 and SRM with minor modification (which originally from Mitsubishi). Even Honda done this with their Fit family a.k.a City and Jazz. Notice the Forrester, Subaru use same chassis as the Legacy. The New Ford Focus share the same platform with Volvo. It is common nowadays. Want to know more, find and read. Don’t just blatantly critised something or someone. Take a time and think. We are civilised people right?
June 11, 2006 @ 10:02 pm
Proton’s car have no quality at all. Pls guys, for peace of mind, do not buy proton. all my friends who bought wira year 2005 faced load of problems and have to send for repairs again and again. anyway, this SRM, i will not buy it for sure. even the old Satria don’t have high sales compare with wira. so if gen-2 is the replacement of wira and by the looks of the sales of gen-2 nowadays, we basically have an idea how will the public response to this new SRM.
so this message to proton… YOUR PRODUCT SUCKS
June 12, 2006 @ 8:42 am
I have two friend who bought wira SE in 2005. One in early 2005 and another one at the end of 2005. The one in early 2005 already have the pwer window problem in which he repair it at under the three w’shop after several visit to PE not solving the problem. Thats the only problem. And Wira SE bought at the end of 2005 still running smoothly with no problem at all. Actually, people aware about the quality issue, but since they don’t really have any other choice except Proton brand, why not. As P2 only offer a mini size car, it create a loop hole which only P1 fill it with Wira, G2 and Waja with sedan looks. With consideration of higher prices of other brand, P1 is still relevant as long as they keep producing ‘higher than before quality’ for low and middle income earner. For those with big budget they have plentiful of choices of other Japs brand. So, welcome SRM and hopefully it can change negative perspective towards Proton.
June 12, 2006 @ 11:43 am
about the teaser ad….
saw it on one of astro channel last weekend
so romours about the launch this week
is going to happen…
anyway… anybody want to address me can call me “aboo”
thankk
June 12, 2006 @ 12:02 pm
azrai words are soo wrong.. ` SRM with minor modification (which originally from Mitsubishi)`…srm is true been developed from the gen.2 chasis and quite a hybrid with a european chasis (lotus did make the engineering for this one european company). its not from mitsu ok. dont talk like u noe and be friend with the proton engineers..talk with a brain la..
June 12, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
ok2.. gen2 chasis or not.. but i would be glad if there 4 doors SRM in the future.. if using gen2 platform, should be easier to make 4 doors version.. tak bleh kalu, xpelah.. can wait other models oso… next year P2 oso will launch new models….
ps:Gen2 is out of question, heard enuf true horror stories about it… but dunno about new stocks..
June 12, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
the launch is confirmed 16th, source from proton. cos i was at their plant in tj malim last sat… the srms are all ready, expecting approx 2000 ready units on friday…
btw, juara is known to be the proton with the least problems becos it’s 90% CBU from mitsubishi, with the exception of the front bumper, which is from malaysia. dats why u dun hear horror stories of power window from juara (touchwood)
June 12, 2006 @ 2:53 pm
Hello guys, just stop complaining;
All new car have problemes, but just more people use P1 in the past time;
So “DON’T OTHERS PEOPLE TALK, U ALSO TALK”.
Just look at NAZA CITRA, some of the new car engine overheat; NAZA sutera have tonnes of problem; P2 MYVI also have alarm failure, water leaking or handbrake problem.
PROTON poor after sales service already cause them poor sales & poor reputation, I only want to declare my 2003 waja have no problem at all.
I believe a lot people have problemes with their branded new car but shy to tell others people only.
No matter how, let us visit PROTON showroom to experience latest PROTON product.
June 12, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
Nice to hear u declared ur waja ve no problems.. this is 1st time i heard such declaration… bcoz suma my waja fren owners complained about their cars.. gen2 paling byk problems.. can visit many forums about waja & gen2.. so little positive comments.. so i jadi takutlah.. but with ur declaration, ada rs lega sket..
June 12, 2006 @ 5:28 pm
Dear riderx. Yes, Waja platform is adaptation from Mitsubishis platform.
“When the Proton Waja was under development in the late 1990s, it was envisioned that its GX platform (now known to have been adapted from the Mitsubishi Carisma/Volvo S40 platform) would be used for more than just a sedan. At the time of the model’s launch in mid-2000, Muhamad Aman, who was then the Waja Program Director, said: “By having our own platform, we can also develop additional variants as and when we wish, such as MPVs and 4WDs. It will depend on what the market wants.” Insiders said that on Proton’s drawing boards were another 11 possible variants, besides the 4-door sedan and some would appear in the course of the life of the platform which is expected to be between ten and twelve years. ”
Source:- http://wizvax.blogspot.com/2005/12/money-worth.html
Another 1 is here:-
“However, it is interesting to note that TM actually mentioned that the Waja platform was a hybrid platform which was adapted from a Mitsubishi platform. That surprised me since the official word from him at the launch of the Waja was 100% Proton although his engineers were a bit evasive and used the term ‘based on known data’ [meaning certain 'hard points' for the structure were followed from another platform which many have said was the Carisma/S40]”
Source:-http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5324&whichpage=3
I use my brain. And still using it riderx.
June 13, 2006 @ 2:42 am
AI yo…. all here no-sense for the images, visual and words, some said like headlamps, why is eye, eye is mean what?, proton desire……. just think! Where got people put the real name & whole product shot in TEASER! Desire just a campaign name of SRM.
Why? DESIRE? just look the eye ball, when u look at something impact o bright, what happens to ur eyeball? What is be come big and small. Think! Don’t simply make a judgement.
Another is thank all the proton shooter, saying proton bad words but y can see proton car every corner. I not use local car but i respect local product bcos i stay in MALAYSIA.
June 13, 2006 @ 8:40 am
thomas…congrats coz ur waja dun hv problem…its amazing u know…b4 dis…alwiz heard a lot of complain from waja and gen 2 owners…now…for a first time heard waja no problem…:)
June 13, 2006 @ 8:45 am
riderx…wuts azrai said is true…i heard it b4…it is common for carmakers to do that like honda and subaru as he mentioned above…even beemer and merc and alfa do that too…and its true about srm…
June 13, 2006 @ 9:03 am
motorhead said,
June 12, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
Nice to hear u declared ur waja ve no problems.. this is 1st time i heard such declaration… bcoz suma my waja fren owners complained about their cars.. gen2 paling byk problems.. can visit many forums about waja & gen2.. so little positive comments.. so i jadi takutlah.. but with ur declaration, ada rs lega sket..
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Just to share a thought with everyone. People normally go to specific car forum to discuss on their car problems and not what is so great about their car. Along the way there would be some positive comments but mostly and definitely the comments would be negative. Ask yourself why you seek out a certain car forum. It is because you would like to find answers to your problems. Therefore, ofcourse you would see that most people bashing the respective manufacturer about their quality and so on.
My friend owns a Myvi and have headache since day due to its engine lack of power and poor fuel consumption. Complained to SC and wrote letter to Perodua didn’t solve the problem. Finally, a call to the HQ complaining on the problem finally solved that problem by getting the engine ECU changed. But then he still got other unresolved problem with his Myvi. Check out the Myvi forums for more details out the car problem and compared it with Waja & Gen2. With the numbers of Myvi on the road increasing, I am pretty sure the complains would be piling on real soon.
And one more thing, if Proton Top Management is reading this please ensure in future you launced all your new models with the 4As ~ Automatic Transmission, ABS, Air-bags & Aerokit. Better still if it has four Air-bags like the UK specs. Safety first.
June 13, 2006 @ 10:10 am
Tracks,
I get yr points.. yeah, some cars got problem too.. I know about myvi problems oso, that one of reasons I canceled my myvi booking this year..
But proton problem is not a myth anymore… even the current mgmt now oso admitted quality is their one of main concern.. u cant discard that, ok?.. MD SZ talk many times about to regain people confidence about the quality.. damage has been done….furthermore problems I heard from proton cars not only from forums, but from my own friends! 4 of them own wajas.. 3 of them sold their cars just few of years using it.., u know la, baru pakai 2-3 years, loan masih byk, kena jual, rugi byk!!.. but they just cant stand, 2 of my friends own gen2 oso got problems.. one of them suda nak jual oredi.. I don’t want to list down the problems here, but I am sure some of us know oredi.. x payah cakap lah…
Mau senang, just ask around especially ur pomen.. they r the one who use to repair cars, mereka tau byk about car problems … I always ask my pomen about cars… my pomen is my side kick, like Batman’s Robin.. and you know what??..trade in value for waja is very bad now.. 2001 waja worth RM28k only now.. So pls share my thought oso…. No offend to waja owner without problems.. bcoz I just share true stories from own my frens…. Kalau ada yg x puas hati, saya berani bawa jumpa mereka sendiri…..
ps: But I don’t know if they ve improved new stock, from showrooms, I can see gen2 ve many improvements, and I welcome improvement, bcoz actually I like gen2.. I like all the analog console.. analog is sporty…
June 13, 2006 @ 11:12 am
motorhead…not only frm forums or ur fren…even the journalist oso…proton is famous…not only in m’sia…but outside oso…:)..poor proton…
tracks…ure rite all new cars got problem…even merc,beemer oso gt problem…even jap cars oso gt problem…but they solve it as soon as possible…proton still…minor problem not settle since born…the window problem…till now not solve it…how many years???more than 10 years…
June 13, 2006 @ 11:46 am
Hi Tracks,
how bad was ur friend’s myvi fc? n what was the expected fc for ur friend when he bought the car and from where is he basing it on? its quite important how high his expectations are.
for the jap version daihatsu boon/sirion, the engine is the same as myvi k3-ve. its specifications are here
http://catalogue.carview.co.jp/DAIHATSU/BOON/latest/engines.asp
from the site the k3-ve on 4AT city driving is 18km/l on the 10-15 test value (this cannot be used for real world as it is a test value). for malaysia my observation is 70% achievement so should be around 12.6km/l plus or minus. is your friend achieving these figures? if not maybe have to get the car checked out.
June 13, 2006 @ 1:46 pm
just heard the price for SRM RM45k to RM65k .. hrm .. RM65k.
June 13, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
I JUST WANT TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE TO ALL PROTON USER,”PROTON NOT A BAD CAR”
1st, I own a good WAJA, becauce I didn’t expect it to perform like BMW or TOYOTA. I only want a reliable car; it answered my call.
2nd, I lucky enough because power window & door handle work well, no problem. Refer to SC, PROTON improved it on early 2003.
3rd, I have a good SC, they always answer my complain & claim; so i give them business.
4th, Don’t go to SC where they always give answer like “Proton always like this ma” & keep encourage u to change this & change that. They just want to make extra money; Change your SC if they don’t give good service.
5th, PROTON have fair resell value, all car will depreciate 50% in 5yrs time.
Pls find out more from your nearest use car dealer; they will tell you the truth.
6th, Don’t buy expensive car because all type of car will depreciate, buy the one that U need or U like.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL PROTON USER.
June 13, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
raybrig85 said,
June 13, 2006 @ 11:12 am
tracks…ure rite all new cars got problem…even merc,beemer oso gt problem…even jap cars oso gt problem…but they solve it as soon as possible…proton still…minor problem not settle since born…the window problem…till now not solve it…how many years???more than 10 years…
I agree with u that the old models such Saga & Wira probably still has unresolved problem with the Power Windows. However, as far as I know the Waja Power Window problem was solved from 2004 onwards together with the Door Handle problem. As for the Gen2, the first batch of cars has got power window problem but had since been resolved also. Saga & Wira I guess nothing much is being done to improve it because it would be face out soon.
To Driven2020, my friend FC for his Myvi 1.3 manual was worst than my runabout 1997 Kancil 850EZ auto. After he got his engine ECU changed (after lots of complaining), there was a significant improvement in FC as well as power. Apparently the only solution for this kind of problem is by changing the ECU as mentioned in a forum.
To Thomas, which year is your Waja manufactured? I also have a 2001 Waja 1.6 as well but I did faced the Power Window and Door Handle problem. I managed to replace them with the improved units and never had problem since. Yeah one more thing, the OEM Kayaba absorber sucks as they get worn out very quickly, probably around 20,000km of use so try something else.
June 13, 2006 @ 2:24 pm
thomas said - “1st, I own a good WAJA, becauce I didn’t expect it to perform like BMW or TOYOTA. I only want a reliable car; it answered my call.”
Waja, who expect it to perform like BMW as this car is consider under high end luxury in its class. But to say not expect it to perform like Toyota is very unacceptble since Toyota is a mass producers and set many benchmark in many aspect like safety and reliability. The closeness objective comparison for Waja is Toyota Corrola Altis. Under free market they are compete neck-in-neck (i.e. UK) but Altis is over the top in everything comparable? Compare to US market, the Mitsubishi LAncer 2.0L basic Evo just cost USD 10K ++, so what you try to boast of Waja under NAP. Don’t tell me that cannot compare with oversea market as now is ICT world, every info available in internet is just with a click of button.
Talk about depreciation, only CarTaxLand set a precedent that car can appreciate prior to 1997. Even recond Toyota Harrier old model from Japan (5 or 6 years) is sell at higher price in Bolehland compare to their price for new car in Japan. Talk about car in Bolehland, not a single models are selling at lowest price, be it P1, P2, P3 or imported brands for 1 big reason - NAP.
You mentioned about “buy the one that U need or U like” - than have to kill NAP first before talk about it.
Currently I am Waja owner as well, appreciate you can posted here the contact and address of your good SC, perhaps your good SC get another good customer through your recomendation. Good luck to you that you are lucky your Waja have no problem(s). But I am confidently to make a statement that your case is exception, the norm is still almost all Waja owners encountered one kind or another irritating problems, me no exception.
June 13, 2006 @ 2:39 pm
Agreed. Waja so far IMO the most reliable in the P1 sub 2L class. I’ve heard from friends Waja still maintain its ruggedness even after years of use. wished that P1 will look into more appealing designs rather doing the chiplak audi and bmw lookalikes. be original, be proton, but dun be chiplak.
Thomas, consider urself lucky not getting the car that is flanked with probs. periodic maintenance is the key. I reckon u bring ur car for maintenance vigilantly.
hmm seems like SC has taken this as a norm to earn more coz road users may think “well need to change anyway” attitude. I dun service my P1 in P1 SC anymore, rather the maintenance is done in Honda SC. Unlike P1 SC u dun have tons of cars piling up there waiting to be serviced. Honda SC simply has more time to look into the maintenance details IMO. If reliability is improved and breakdowns reduced, I’m sure the attitude “well need to change anyway” will get washed away gradually. Maybe P1 will gain its consumer confidence then.
But still, we as end users have to be reasonable & responsible as well. If we drive like rally drivers dun expect our cars would last long. Obey your service limits. Some ppl drive their cars until breakdown n dun care of the maintenance then say P1 sucks. Is that being fair. Well if we go for regular maintenance maybe non if not minor probs will pop up. who knows? no point crying over spilt milk when u knew there is already a hole at the bottom of the milk carton. This applies not only to P1, but to all road going vehicles. Even soldiers have to service their guns.
June 13, 2006 @ 3:14 pm
one of my fren ve waja gear poblems.. auto… he sold his waja.. well, in some aspects, P1 better than P2.. since P1 br setaun jagung dlm auto ind., they ve many designs & technicals flaw.. P2 rebadge proven models, but apply low cost & quality…
anyway, i am considering to buy avanza, they have cash discount & 2.6% rates, now….
June 13, 2006 @ 4:17 pm
To all proton lover!!!
any confirmation on the name yet?
as i assume it will be called proton desire
want to know why? reply to this and we’ll exchange comment
(i am a proton admirer, most of all i admire the one who started proton)
June 13, 2006 @ 4:21 pm
Yo Tracks,
better check whether ur friend’s myvi ecu has been changed out or not. by simply unplugging the ecu will reset it.
Yo Joe Ooi,
Good move to look for better SC. Might turn out abit costlier (is that a word?) but hopefully will give u peace of mind (i think that is what everybody wants). But then again if u come across a willing buyer, I’d sell it if i were u.
Yo Motorhead,
Hmm can u tell us what is ur friend’s waja driving style and tentativeness to maintenance? ur feedback maybe a good heads up for fellow protonians reading the forum (protonians sounds like from cybertron or sumthing - just joking). when a car breaks down we’d usually blame the manufacturer. But it’ll be unfair to judge like that if we do not know what the condition of the vehicle when it failed - no point crying over spilt milk if we knew there is already a hole on the milk carton.
Planning to buy Avanza? not a bad idea but do you need 7 seats? and by 7 seats it isn’t exactly big comfy 7 seaters. with the same engine as myvi - K3-VE and tranny setup dun expect a miracle FC performance. Even the ride is a bit bumpy for my taste. I’d recommend test driving as much cars as possible - let ur mind decide which is better.
June 13, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
TO Joe,
if u r JOHOREAN, u can visit ALLTIME autotech which located at TMN DAYA, JOHOR BAHRU. Their manager is Mr Lim. Strongly recommended.
My wife’s GEN2(1st batch April 2004) have seat adjuster problem, they manage to get replace within 10 days, but others SC take 1 year also no news.
Back to GEN2, I also lucky didn’t have much problem, only found water mark/minor water leaking after 1 yr; they also manage to fix back new roof lining in 2 weeks time. I really appreciated their good work.
I believe this is luck because so many ppl complain about GEN2, but not me.
June 13, 2006 @ 7:17 pm
ure really luckyla thomas…hopefully ull not facing any problem