Proton puts up new sedan teaser
Proton has started putting up a teaser promotion for it’s new sedan on it’s website. We call it the GEN2 Sedan, however it looks like the new Proton sedan might most likely be called something else altogether.
Click here to check out the teaser. There’s not much information there really, other than a shadowy outline of the car which we’ve seen already in all the spyshots so far. However, if you click on the booking link, you’ll be able to see a list of colours available for the new car - Blueberry Tea, Iridescent White, Light Gold, Metal Grey, Solid Red, Solid White and Tranquility Black. You can book the car for a RM500 booking fee.
Prices:
Proton New Sedan 1.6 HL (M) AT - RM 55,800.00
Proton New Sedan 1.6 ML (M) AT - RM 52,800.00
Proton New Sedan 1.6 ML (M) MT - RM 49,800.00
Proton New Sedan 1.6 BL (M) AT - RM 48,800.00
Proton New Sedan 1.6 BL (M) MT - RM 45,800.00
Proton New Sedan 1.6 BL (S) AT - RM 48,350.00
Proton New Sedan 1.6 BL (S) MT - RM 45,350.00
(M) - Metallic Paint, (S) - Solid Paint
Model range:
BL - 4 power windows, CD player and basic features.
ML - all BL features with additional alloy rims, foldable rear seats, MP3 player and electric door mirror.
HL - all ML features with additional dual airbags, ABS, EBD and standard Captor alarm.
All variants of the car will include an extended warranty package which provides warranty support and coverage for up to five years. The financing package for this car carries an interest rate of 4.1%. Delivery time from booking is approximately 4 to 6 weeks, and status of delivery lead-time will be communicated regularly.
The teaser page now has a preview of each model’s specifications and a simple FAQ. The FAQ states that the booking fee is transferable to another Proton car if the car has not been delivered yet. It also pegs the official launch date at 15th August 2007, so we’ll just have to wonder what the name of this new car will be until then. But everything seems to indicate it will not be called a GEN2 Sedan.
All of the information on this page are collected from Proton Edar’s teaser page and booking page for the new Proton Sedan.
July 20, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
Let’s wait and see
July 20, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Basic - rear drum brake
1.6MT Solid —– 45,350
1.6AT Solid —– 48,350
1.6MT Metallic — 45,800
1.6AT Metallic — 48,800
Medium - airbag, rear disc brake,foldable RR seat, fog lamp,mp3, rear spoiler
1.6MT Metallic — 49,800
1.6AT Metallic — 52,800
High - Captor, airbag, abs, mp3, rear disc brake,foldable seat, fog lamp, safetint, rear spoiler
1.6AT Metallic — 55,800
All inclusive insurance, EWP, first aid kit, safety triangle
July 20, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
^o^
July 20, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
hmm……..the price seems a choice to buy apart from the wira.
July 20, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
of course rear head room did increase, because its proper sedan,
if we look back the previous fastback g2 or the previous satria differ from its wira,satria roof is slightly lower and front wind screen is raked more,
-so its kind of normal practice when sporty look takes priority,
even the previous vw passat/skoda even the sedan have a the rear cabin in the manner of a fastback rear windscreen, and some other make as for example to mention,
July 20, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
is proton ever plan to put wira to retirement?? too long of life-span.. same to proton iswara/ saga too
July 20, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
At last they come out with new model..sedan replacing old wira..all the best Proton !!
July 20, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
can’t wait to go check it out!!!
July 20, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
dis ganti wira?????
hihihi…:P
July 20, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
So is this the Gen2 sedan that we have all been seeing all the time in heavy diguise?
Nothing new really, I hope they save themselves from further embarasment by introducing the CPS this time.
July 20, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
gen2 sedan will not come out with cps lar already told many time..
July 20, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
wow! attractive price. hopefully with less problems.
July 20, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Looking at the price range, My Vi will die slowly. Which one do you choose? Affordable sedan with bigger space, new interior, latest development or a model that going to be phase out in Japan soon?
July 20, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
on sale at last.
and where is another model. i heard they said will introduce 2 new models late this year.
July 20, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
well, this sedan has almost the exact same interior as the current Gen.2 hatch. juz the change of colours only. that’s all. i don’t think it should be called a new model though. just an extension… as for the other new model, well from the looks of the spyshots, it is probably gonna look quite ugly as the shape of the car is quite ’squarish’. some sort like the current saga/iswara now. a bit odd i would say. well, let’s wait and see…
for those who want to have a good look at the sedan car in the proton teaser site, just save the picture into ur computer and use a photo editor software and then add more brightness/gamma and reduce the contrast, then u wud b able to see it clearer
July 20, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
dfs3000my said,
July 20, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
well, this sedan has almost the exact same interior as the current Gen.2 hatch. juz the change of colours only. that’s all.
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Wake up! Everybody know it is totally different. Not to forget reintroduction of glove box
July 20, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Yea, from the curve of the picture, it do show the rear head room n leg room sure increased, in fact its so long -.- n the interior if as being told by information, is changed, not just in the form of color. good car i think
July 20, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
just bought a Neo,proton salesman told me front grill is the same,but alot of changes made including engine upgrades,lets wait
July 20, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
Why more expensive the wira? I heard that wira only selling RM38 for the 1.5L (M) sedan!?! The basic should be more cheaper then WIRA man! Since u already got so much spare part which is same with Gen.2! While u claim ur Savvy parts can reduce 30%, why not others?!? WTF! REALLY FISHY!
July 20, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
I mean RM38K sorry..
July 20, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
gen 2 sedan ?
July 20, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
Nice to hear about it. However, does it come with 1.3L engine? By the way, for the basic (base line variant) 1.6L, does it equip with single airbag?
Well, LittleFire85, Wira is a very old model with old technology, much lower quality steel etc. What we hope that this so called Proton Gen.2 Sedan will come with good quality material such as plastic used for the cabin, fit and finish, good mechanism etc. For the full specifications, we have to wait until the launch of this model.
All the best to Proton. Just want you to do better. By the way, tomorrow I’m going to test drive the Nissan Latio. Anyone tested it?
Happy motoring
July 20, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Can’t wait for it to launch. Indeed, this model is from the new management. Good luck. Is it called the Proton Persona???
July 20, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
Another low price and badly build car? Let’s see…
July 20, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
Proton is one hell of a company run by stupid people. How can you book a car without knowing the specs and even looking at it and put RM500 into it and don’t exactly know how it looks like. The interior. Who the hell would book? Show people how it looks like, the specs and then book. Would you put a downpayment of RM500 you don’t even know what you may buy? This is just a easy way to earn your RM500. So short sighted.
July 20, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
volvolover, thousands of ’stupid’ people booked the myvi and viva without knowing how it looked like or what the specs were as well. any comments on that?
July 20, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
volvolover said,
July 20, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
Proton is one hell of a company run by stupid people. How can you book a car without knowing the specs and even looking at it and put RM500 into it and don’t exactly know how it looks like. The interior. Who the hell would book? Show people how it looks like, the specs and then book. Would you put a downpayment of RM500 you don’t even know what you may buy? This is just a easy way to earn your RM500. So short sighted.
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BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
July 20, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
volvolover, thousands of ’stupid’ people booked the myvi and viva without knowing how it looked like or what the specs were as well. any comments on that?
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i second that!
July 20, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
thecrash said,
July 20, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
“Basic - rear drum brake
1.6MT Solid —– 45,350
1.6AT Solid —– 48,350
1.6MT Metallic — 45,800
1.6AT Metallic — 48,800″
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thecrash, Basic version comes with rear drum brake??! Its a 1.6 litre car, need more stopping power. Rear drum brake not sufficient, i guess. Sorry, just my opinion. Correct me if i’m wrong. Btw, is it powered by CPS + VIM?
July 20, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
not to mention cheaper cars that ppl book before without knowing much….even the S-class that paul blogged recently…..ppl book without even knowing spec and price too….thats 600k per car were talkin about….
this is malaysia for u…..wanna be 1st to drive when its out? book 1 1st….talk later lol
July 20, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
hahaha that is the example of blind bash..hahaha pasal booking pon bleh jd bahan..
July 20, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
i’ve detail on that. but dont want to put here coz u can see it tomorrow. for rear drum brake on 1.6 car, i think its enough ready. The engineer have calculate everything, if not, this car could not passed JPJ technical test.
July 20, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
hemmmm…the price is attractive. the shadow also not bad. boleh buka lampu kah?;) cannot see la.the nose look too long.
July 20, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
well… it’s a MERCEDES S-Class.. so undoubtly, the quality is there. This is a PROTON we’re talking about. Perodua has done well because of TOYOTA. Proton has been ripping our money off along with the government (proton pays huge taxes) all this while since it opened. 200% tax for cars? considering that our nation extracts petroleum and rich with natural raw materials? Proton was the brainchild of a man who wanted to use it solely for the purpose of increasing his pocket as a company.. not to improve the living of the rakyat.
Proton is not a car manufacturer but subject of political abuse. If they made better cars, better designs (look at gen-2 wtf) longer lasting spare parts, improve safety and their metal (like milo tin man) then we would have nothing to say..
July 20, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
look nice…
may be i can buy this instead of nissan latio
July 20, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
thecrash said,
July 20, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
For rear drum brake on 1.6 car, i think its enough ready. The engineer have calculate everything, if not, this car could not passed JPJ technical test.
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Ok, u’re rite on that subject. Thanks. Hehe… its powered by CPS rite??? heheheheheheheheh.
July 20, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
is the engine still campro?oh my…
July 20, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
I don’t know about other people but for me, I would’nt even put a RM50 downpayment if I do not know how the car looks like. Hey, we are talking about a car here …………………..
July 20, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
I just hope with this model they will move on and stop selling wira once and for all
July 20, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
Anywayz did anyone tell me that the CAMPRO using in this sedan is no CPS n VIM?!? Drive-by-wire is already an old technology, and the old campro is just a normal DOHC engine! Even 4G92 DOHC is more better then it! So Gen.2 also consider as old model, already 3-4 years in market. Most car manufacturer develops replacement after 5 years, only in P1 think that P1 Waja still new?!? u dont know the reality.. If P1 want to replace wira, they should at the same price with more better feature, not adding more $$$ to earn into their pocket?!? Even the new subaru 08′ Is cheaper then the old 07′ Subaru WRX about US$1k with more better feature. Why us have to more expensive? U tot all malaysian is rich meh? Who dont want to own a Gen.2 sedan at RM38k? I bet it will sell more then Myvi is price the same with the Wira.. 1 more, why the first batch of SAGA can sell at RM18k during 80′? U think of ur self. last time need pay royalty, now use own engine.. Should me more cheaper if u think man! 1 word, still expensive!
read the website below and c ur eyes. New subaru sell cheaper then the previous model!
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/07/2008_subaru_impreza_will_start.html
July 20, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Huh, RM 500 booking without looking at the car, want to copy P1 marketing strategy! Must be joking, P2 have world class Toyota behind it, that create a wave of “urgency” to buy!
What crap do P1 have behind, back by cronies vendors supplied crap low quality component? Ha, ha, ha, ………. copy P2 marketing strategy blindly! Any “urgency”???????????????????????
For sure, when the car is available for viewing, there are “gullible & curious” visitors to P1 showroom and the “rumble” is begin - bang the door hardest possible to see if it will fall down, “see-see-&-look-look” how the quality build - the gap, the plasticky dashboard, etc.
July 20, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
those colour scheme used are quite good not cheap paint. Really makes sense to go for the high line version… What is safeftint? Something like vcool?
July 20, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
See see first, wait people bought the car, reviewed the car after certain years, then decide whether it is good buy. Sorry for proton, I have to very careful if I want to buy your car…but mostly I will not buy proton, kind of lost my confident after the waja problem…
July 20, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
Hmm, it’ll be interesting to see if there are any takers for the RM500 downpayment.
Protons quality is on the up trend. Time will tell how far it goes.
July 20, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
to volvolover,
u are right….brand is taken into consideration as well…..since u mentioned internet….we saw whats its like as well isnt it? especially when with paul’s informative posting… a gen 2 sedan….thats what we call it for now.
the only thing we do not much information would be the interior shots. exterior we can guess pretty much what it looks like with the spyshots and im sure those pics are also circulating round especially our local forums.
July 20, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
Sheesh, what does subaru have anything with this topic? It’s a RM61000 car (Off the road… OTR price with GST and rego will probably make it around RM80k). It’s a different size/class car too. So yeah, they cut RM3600 off the price from the old model…it’s no big deal.
Some readers also seem to have supernatural clairvoyance. They seem to be able to predict the future.
I’ve said this before: RM45800 is very reasonable for a small sedan by any standard in any country. An imported sedan of a similar size/class (eg. Tiida) would be about RM65-75k even WITHOUT NAP. ProtonHater, get your facts straight. Note that most online prices are not OTR. and note the price of the gen2 is only RM36k off the road (non-incl gst, rego etc.).
July 20, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
Huh, huh, P1 “new” models famous for 1001 defects for first batch! Any new model come out, better waite and see, let other buy it first and waite for the feedback. Let the P1 tech guy fix any shortcoming then only die hard protonian go and buy the model. This is the most an adivce can be given to them if they intend to buy any new model from P1.
July 20, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
to protonhater,
yes mercedes u call it….but its 600k….sane enuf to buy something with that money without knowing what it is? i dont know how crazy it is but those dudes really have the money. even if i have that amount….at least i need to know what i’m buying.
its quite true that proton’s brand is sour comparing to others but then, its always an option for buyers who want a 1st hand delivery of their cars……some ppl still trust proton till today, maybe they are lucky that their previous protons serve them well.
i dont see why there arent any takers for 500 downpayment…still the cheapest 1.6 car around at 45k+. just how many is the question.
most ppl actually still adopt the wait and see method before booking anyway…except for the case of avanza and myvi where booking 1st gave an advantage of queue becoz after that…its a hell long wait…
July 20, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
RM18K in 80′? What u get with RM10 on that years? Even 10cent can get 5pcs sweets in 80′. Now, what u get with RM10? P1 spend much in r&d compare to P2 (just do cosmetic change). With that price, i think should be ok.
July 21, 2007 @ 12:05 am
Well.. I guess it is something to look forward too for Proton takes like ages to launch something new, but then again, its just the Gen2 given a proper behind. What new stuff can you expect? You get the familiar gen2 design cues, interior design.. Sorry, but thats just not good enough. Why would it take YEARS to just turn the gen2 into a sedan?
July 21, 2007 @ 12:10 am
ezralimm said,
So yeah, they cut RM3600 off the price from the old model…it’s no big deal. (anywayz is the new model that off RM3600 not old model! With more features! Read the website!)
Yeah! Proton replacement Wira model aka Gen.2 sedan:
1.5L (m) sedan RM38k compare Basic gen.2 sedan - rear drum brake 1.6MT Solid —– RM45,350 = RM7000 (US 2k) difference, not reduce or same price but add almost 7k -.-! Well no big deal?!? Even u add to 1.6L campro engine, u no need pay royalty to Mitsu, own design car. In Reality, It should be cheaper then WIRA! Coz no need pay more to mitsu! Why more expensive? I tot 90% made in Malaysia, must more cheaper, no need import parts from japan?!?
Ask those cronies n supplier! !@#$! To me that Gen.2 sedan basic should be selling at RM40k and the M-Line should be selling at RM45k! While H-line at RM50k! That more like it! you think we average workers in Malaysia so rich?!? Even RM50k, loan 9 years + interest also need RM500 a month! How about fuel + maintenance?!? About RM1k invest on that car monthly!!! Another RM1-2k into pocket of sons or wife.. Emergency?!? Die loo.. no money to support both ur mouth n family.. Think of your financial status before buying a new expensive car!
July 21, 2007 @ 12:15 am
80′ RM18k get Saga,
in 90′ Saga RM35k,
in 07′ NEW SAGA WIF FACELIFT RM26.999!
Well in 07′ does 10 cent still get well 3 or 4 sweets? (compare to 80′ 5 sweets?) Do your homework before u post it!
July 21, 2007 @ 12:40 am
For the aging model, for sure the price will dropped esp when the model will be discontinued. In 2001, my wira 1.3 aeroback manual cost me RM46K. And today with RM46K i can get 1.6 MT sedan car.
Yup with 10cent can get sweet but the size not same as 80′. Petrol also in 90′ only 1.20 and now 1.90.
July 21, 2007 @ 1:23 am
DESTINED TO GO PLACES.
(mostly workshops)
hee hee
Seriously though, not much to talk about until its fully unveiled. Just another ridiculous teaser campaign for an economy car. (Hi Viva)
July 21, 2007 @ 1:44 am
It’s amazing how much judgments have been passed out by armchair experts who have yet to take a look let alone drive the new sedan…
And we’ve tried our best to make the quality the best that we have so far…. We sincerely hope no more of those wait-for-the-first-batch-problems-to-be-solved scenario…
July 21, 2007 @ 2:14 am
LittleFire85,
in 1980’s everything were much cheaper..how much were petrol back then??rm 1 per liter..now rm 1.92 so almost double..what i m trying to say is if petrol price is almost double so the plastic price should be almost double..car interior mostly plastic…so the interior of gen2 sedan should be double the price..engine..fuel injector,drive by wire..extra valve and much complicated design..gearbox much more modern metal triple the price of 1980’s so engine should be triple the price of saga’s engine!!tyres…in 1980’s around rm 60 u can get 1 already..now rm 150..so 2and a half time more…saga had normal cassette player..tis one with mp3 player and almost triple there price…metal ofr body work also almost triple the price compared ton 1980 so all add together u times 2.5 la to make things simple…18k times 2.5 equals to 45 k…same as baseline gen2 sedan…so it the same price man!!!dont complain cause i got a bonus…15 inch rim..and 100 cc more plus more aerodynamic body design plus lotus handling…so its a bargain…how??my maths did satisfy you??if still expensive dont buy la..haha…but dont simply influence others!!
yah after all the issue going on with proton no one would wanna book it before looking at it and have a feel of the interior..but those who think its a good price and u were happy with gen2 it wouldnt be a bad idea to book 1st!!
the engine has no cps but proton engineers have smoothen the torque curve and gearbox have been tuned as well…they mostly improve the ignition system and slighty modified the intake ports..wic later would be suitable for VIM and cps!!but since cps is already ready why not launch it together with the new model??why delaying it again??
proton have all the rights to call it a new model…even facelifted cars are being called new model so wat wrong calling it a new model…continuing wira is not a sin…because people still buy them..saab 9-5 has been facelifted several time and the latest facelift was so much that magazine writers was not aware that the chassis was designed and built in 1990’s…but it is a old car wic is still being produce..because there is demand and buliding a new platform is not within a budget so facelifting it not a wrong thing to do…but proton have been doing it a little bit to often..and too long…stop the wira sell this car…dont creat competition within their own product!!!
hope this car will change proton forever!!my fren who bought a satria neo have been say good things bout it…so hope to hear better things from this new sedan onwer..good job proton for the effort but wait till it really works and people are really satisfied with the quality!!
July 21, 2007 @ 3:07 am
IMO, it all boils down to the quality that this gen-2 sedan provide us. For me, for 45K if you can get the quality of Nissan Latio or better, than it is a good buy.
And pls do not compare the price in the 80’s and in the 21st century! You have to multiply 18K to the inflation rate from then to now.
the 26K saga?? Pleaseeeee! Have you been in that car? If I still can choose, I still preferred the 36K saga, in many ways much better quality than the current LMST.
And the 38K wira?? How much is the wira when it was first launch? Come on laa guys…! The current wira & iswara prize is the only way that Proton can do to push out the old stock before they can come out with a replacement model…
And lastly, pls reserved your comment after you see by your own eyes this new model. Pls don’t simply bash blindly!
July 21, 2007 @ 3:08 am
u clowns think perodua is so good. the viva had rain water leaking down the car accelerator & brake pedal during test drives by motoring journalist…my colleagues car too… initial batch problems….dun just talk kok blindly. i think that is even worse than proton….but most viva owners just keep quiet coz malu ….why? coz earlier they said p2 is world class manufacturer. pretending to be so proud of their car even if they got a defect unit.
and for those who think that by closing down p1 you will get to own cheaper imported cars…..just continue to….. dreaaaammm on.
45k for a proper 1.6 sedan is resonably priced compared to some fat, overweight, frog-like, underpowered,cheap body-kitted 1.3 car selling at 53k++ plus super high finance rates. i think most malaysians failed badly in maths.
July 21, 2007 @ 3:17 am
whatever, RM46k still expensivem, if compare what we earn with our living expense, and the price of the car…(NO WAY). But, what I hate the most is that duty tax on the car, see how much they sell the car in Langkawi, why gov so greedy, can gov only charge us mininum duty tax… why gov cannot attract more FDI, so gov can earn tax through FDI, and charge us less duty tax, and more FDI, more jobs, more people can enjoy sufficient money to spend, less crime rate….and we don’t have good transportation system…
Why, why, why….it is already hard for us to live, what about people without college degree…
We just want the gov reduce the duty tax, at least it eases out our life a little…
July 21, 2007 @ 4:22 am
guys , too much crap going on…lets jus stick to the topic….regarding the pic above…if its a gen2 sedan , thn i gues it mite look different than the std gen2….the shoulder line is thick wer the std gen2 jus hav a flat side profile….
but i tink its the gen2 sedan bcos the rear and front bumpers are similar! bt nt mch can be seen anyway…nd to wait n see , and again guys plz,STICK TO THE TOPIC!
July 21, 2007 @ 4:32 am
please stop talking about the price of chicken rice or other stuff here. stick to the topic - discuss the new proton sedan and ONLY the new proton sedan.
July 21, 2007 @ 4:43 am
But everything seems to indicate it will not be called a GEN2 Sedan.
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Suggestion/guess the name are likely: -
1. BolehStar.
2. LuckyStar
3. AsiaStar?
July 21, 2007 @ 4:51 am
ProtonEngineer said,
July 21, 2007 @ 1:44 am
And we’ve tried our best to make the quality the best that we have so far…. We sincerely hope no more of those wait-for-the-first-batch-problems-to-be-solved scenario…
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Any publicity stunt the like of the German fat guy with lebih-kurang “Das it perfekt”!
Waja, Gen-2, Savvy and Satria Neo model set that kind of precedent “waite-for-the-first-batch-problems-to-be-solved scenario”! So, since P1 reputation is not there and this perception will exist in some of potential buyers! There will be no scenario of “frenzy booking/buying” we witness like when Wira launched in 1993!
July 21, 2007 @ 4:57 am
Can the MP3 player plays MP3s from thumb drive? I mean does it have a USB port to connect to?
July 21, 2007 @ 5:25 am
End of the day, the teaser ad that suppose to “tease” potential customer, it is become the public to “tease” P1 if the product is not meet market expectation in relation to what they advertise!
July 21, 2007 @ 5:29 am
The catch phrase for Savvy is “built touhgher …….”,
for this Gen-2 Sedan is “destined to go places” - make sure walk the talk, otherwise “destined to go into drains”.
Some outhere say the price is “reasonable” compare to P2 frog’s shape MyVi. If that is the case, see the sales figure can achieve even 50% of the MyVi?
July 21, 2007 @ 6:27 am
Joe ooi compared to lawn mower 1.0cc super tiny body (RM45k)
no Rnd cost, copy n paste from his brother, protected by gov and managed by Japanese some more..now we understand which car is really over priced
July 21, 2007 @ 7:04 am
Personally, I don care what p1 has got to offer, if p1 is so good according to many of its diehard fan here (it has now reached episode 4, anyway), why don this bolehland open the car market up by scrapping the nap, whatever barriers to compete, etc.
See if p1 can really compete in this kind of environment, if it does, my sincere salute.
Too much scarce economy resources have been channelled to upkeep this non feasible venture.
July 21, 2007 @ 7:16 am
saga + waja = saja!
this is a good name.
saja, destined to go places
July 21, 2007 @ 8:15 am
well…somehow i am still waiting for the improved waja…
for this gen2 sedan…looks ok la….but doesn’t make me wanna buy the car….
July 21, 2007 @ 8:20 am
looks like everyone waiting for gen2 sedan ….. erm wat put in so dark ?? can c clearly leh ~ …. accept trade in or not … wira 97 ….. price at rm45k … this call P1 mah ~ … how can put the price so high … when it in show room ??
July 21, 2007 @ 8:36 am
What is TCU??
July 21, 2007 @ 8:50 am
1.5L (m) sedan RM38k compare Basic gen.2 sedan - rear drum brake 1.6MT Solid —– RM45,350 = RM7000 (US 2k) difference, not reduce or same price but add almost 7k -.-! Well no big deal?!? Even u add to 1.6L campro engine, u no need pay royalty to Mitsu, own design car. In Reality, It should be cheaper then WIRA! Coz no need pay more to mitsu! Why more expensive? I tot 90% made in Malaysia, must more cheaper, no need import parts from japan?!?
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Dewd, the wira was outdated technology. So they had to let it go cheap. This upcoming sedan is current technology with a more updated styling. Btw, it should be more expensive to develop your own platform/engine than to get it off someone else. Eg. Holden still uses Daewoo platforms as it’s cheaper to do so than to manafacture their own.
The Gen2 is a heavier/safer car too if im not mistaken… something like 990kg (wira) vs 1200kg (gen2). Both cars are a generation apart.
July 21, 2007 @ 8:59 am
i think this is a reasonable price for the car’s production
a smaller sized myvi retails at about the same price, yet you guys dont complain anything about it.
the subaru is now cheaper in the states because of falling yen prices, simple as that, loss in forex, even it is cheaper now in australia cos of that too.
so, you guys, be happy to get this price, even a small lil neo costs about the same. if gen2 drops more price, current gen2 owners will be pissed at their resale value and not able to sell of their cars anymore, which reduces confidence on proton 2nd hand market value
seriously, if you guys complain so much, go get a myvi lar. a 1.3 dvvt engine that punches out 90 hp compared to 1.6 campro that does 110hp, smaller cabin vs bigger cabin, smaller boot vs bigger boot, abs vs abs + ebd, doh
July 21, 2007 @ 9:16 am
hahaha live in 2007 but 80s minded…yalor think +ve lor.. i oso can say in 40s,50s,60s car price can get 1k or 500…hahahaha..
July 21, 2007 @ 9:46 am
Now that the sedan is out too, I think it’s high time the Wira retires; it deserves it IMO. The Wira, as normal a car it is, has served Malaysians well, I think it’s best Proton retires it before it reaches the sorry position Sagas are in now, some kind of running joke.
July 21, 2007 @ 9:58 am
Bbingbong how about u get 1 VW beetle 1965 for me and sell me RM500.. I would like to find that car? (it would be happy for u to sell me, even it already depreciat so long time?) Since u say at that time car is cheap!?? Have u got 1? In the 60s Even a new basic volvo still need over RM30k over!
Anyway did someone say the engine is new? Naa.. Ask the salesman in P1, They confirm is JUST CAMPRO ENGINE! Got CPS OR VIM? Err.. don’t think so.. Interior?!? Almost same with Gen.2, Just back seat more comfortable n more space in the back.. Ohh.. why savvy ads say 30% spare parts went cheaper, but only savvy lite sell cheaps only? Dont know, ask the company, cronies n supplier?!? Even u say tyre is expensive, Battery up value, fuel also up.. But does they up so much? The fuel they pump in your new car just RM5 standard from factory! tyre are depending on size n quality! In 80′ got high performance, low profile trye for u to play?!? Even cheap RM90 tyre can be get from indonesia n china, NEW! All this money thing is set by the company, later if they sell worst i bet they going to come out Sedan lite, cheaper 30%.. !@#!@
July 21, 2007 @ 10:11 am
It’s totally Gen2 front with bigger boot. For me the base model price is good,eqiuvailent to Wira’s sedan price. This will be a total Wira’s Replacement model.
P/s: No more Wira pic on the Proton’s website gallery. Finally Wira is discarded from production.
July 21, 2007 @ 10:18 am
–>! So Gen.2 also consider as old model, already 3-4 years in market. Most car manufacturer develops replacement after 5 years, only in P1 think that P1 Waja still new?!? u dont know the reality.. If P1 want to replace wira, they .dude,,you have to understand that each car launcehd comprised of a huge investment of money…up to millions of it…300-400 millions sometimes..sometimes even higher when u tried to build a new platform..for example, waja consumed RM500M ++ of proton capital, whilst savvy is abot RM300M ++,,so, the rule is simple,,in the case of not-so-strong-in-financial our dear proton, they do need to get back all their investment before they can go for another model..meaning that the break even point need to be reached first lah..simple economics anyway,..otherwise you are killing yourself by spending all the capital you have in order to build another model..as you can see and obviuosly know, proton is dying in terms of losing their profits each quarter,,thus i dont think they wanna kill themselves anyway by building a whole new platform..
So, what the car giants always did is by building multipurpose platform..meaning that use the same platform to few model..you can look at toyota where similar platform is utilized for Fortuner and Innova..so same goes to proton, where they are considering this factor by applying/adjusting a similar platform to a new model..thats why you cant see much different in the new model..
anyway, the key points is, “dont kill yourself while you are dying..or else theres no more “.you”. Just look from diffrent perspective next time!!”
July 21, 2007 @ 10:20 am
–>! So Gen.2 also consider as old model, already 3-4 years in market. Most car manufacturer develops replacement after 5 years, only in P1 think that P1 Waja still new?!? u dont know the reality.. If P1 want to replace wira, they .
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dude,,you have to understand that each car launcehd comprised of a huge investment of money…up to millions of it…300-400 millions sometimes..sometimes even higher when u tried to build a new platform..for example, waja consumed RM500M ++ of proton capital, whilst savvy is abot RM300M ++,,so, the rule is simple,,in the case of not-so-strong-in-financial our dear proton, they do need to get back all their investment before they can go for another model..meaning that the break even point need to be reached first lah..simple economics anyway,..otherwise you are killing yourself by spending all the capital you have in order to build another model..as you can see and obviuosly know, proton is dying in terms of losing their profits each quarter,,thus i dont think they wanna kill themselves anyway by building a whole new platform..
So, what the car giants always did is by building multipurpose platform..meaning that use the same platform to few model..you can look at toyota where similar platform is utilized for Fortuner and Innova..so same goes to proton, where they are considering this factor by applying/adjusting a similar platform to a new model..thats why you cant see much different in the new model..
anyway, the key points is, “dont kill yourself while you are dying..or else theres no more “.youâ€. Just look from diffrent perspective next time!!â€
July 21, 2007 @ 10:24 am
What is TCU? Anyway, Proton said that they’ve improved the TCU. So, better torque curve, smoother engine? No more spirtited driving, as claimed by the previous management. hahaha. This is a product from the new management. I’ve a feeling its going to be damn GOOD!! If anybody had a chance to test drive it, please share with us the info.
July 21, 2007 @ 10:51 am
“But everything seems to indicate it will not be called a GEN2 Sedan.”
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Some people think that it will be called the ‘Persona’. Just a simple guess.
However, it could be true. Remember the exported ‘Wira’ for the UK market in the mid 90’s?
July 21, 2007 @ 10:55 am
Even P1 use so many money invest in that car develops, did it come out more better then others? I can only say that money only masuk to other ppl pocket! That model invest a lot? Sedan, take old gen.2 turn into sedan. Need additional RM500M?!? LOL! That why proton die even fast! Coz those money they invest in the wrong place.. PPL even Peugeot, BMW, Citroen, Renault join venture to cut cost, P1? Tot very rich? Use our ppl money so much to invest for a sedan? That why sometime ppl racism u know how bp works (attitude, greed!).. Money come first, result got! but already wasted a lot on paying to the cronies n supplier! Even BMW, Merc want to join venture with others to built new models.. Huh.. Design savvy, Gen.2 come out with..
http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZine_Awards_08.html
see for ur self! duh! wasting ppl money..
July 21, 2007 @ 10:59 am
dont be bias la! the car havent come out, u guys already bash kaw kaw.blindly. the features and price does sounds attractive.
I dun understand those pathetic bashers, if u dont like it just say NO once and leave lah. Like me i dont like savvy just say once and leave. theres no point u still browsing this side again. tidak suka tp tiap tiap hari visit juga side ini!BODOH!
i will bash kaw-kaw later after seeing the real car and test drive if it is bad.
For me, i will consider:
1. spaciousness
2. built in quality(gen2 plastic feel interior still there or not? )
3. look(we know already la,its gen2)
4. ride and handling(comfortable or not?)
5. price(already know.attractive)
6. engine performance(not a surprise.CAMPRO. which i don really like it. But they claim it had been improved. i will test drive again.)
7. brand(proton mar.. berani beli or not? proton is my second most not trusted brand.1st is china made. Maybe proton should do something to gain my trust,so to others. i-care is 1 of it)
After all, its ur money. if u don like it no body force u to buy. Ops!im wrong.we all force by NAP to buy proton cars. But life must go on
July 21, 2007 @ 11:05 am
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ProtonEngineer said,
July 21, 2007 @ 1:44 am
It’s amazing how much judgments have been passed out by armchair experts who have yet to take a look let alone drive the new sedan…
And we’ve tried our best to make the quality the best that we have so far…. We sincerely hope no more of those wait-for-the-first-batch-problems-to-be-solved scenario…
==yes indeed hopefully no problems. my opinion still have to wait, see and listen. is a must, if not, might not be second time fortunate not being wheelchaired or alive by now, to myself & my brother.
July 21, 2007 @ 11:24 am
P1 main proton side has released the TV ads teaser
http://media.proton.com/public/mm_tvc_newlyborn_eng.php
July 21, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Anyway did any one know that Waja Manual only sell RM38k in Langkawi…
July 21, 2007 @ 11:51 am
LittleFire85 said,
July 21, 2007 @ 10:55 am
http://www.autozine.org/Misc/Award/AutoZine/AutoZine_Awards_08.html
see for ur self! duh! wasting ppl money..
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Worst Car of the Year - get award for a wrong reason - Gen-2 (2005), Savvy (2006) and Satria Neo (Runner Up) by AutoZine Awards.
This is P1 improvement in term of “Worst Car of the Year”!!!!!!!!!!
But P1 website claimed “CONSUMERS VOTE PROTON AS A READER’S DIGEST TRUSTED BRAND FOR A SECOND YEAR RUNNING”.
http://www.proton.com/about_proton/press/full_details.php?intArticleID=209
“the survey was carried out in seven markets across Asia (Malaysia, Hong Kong, India, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, and Thailand) to determine the brands most trusted by consumers in 43 different product and service categories.”
The above statement is the most joking simply because P1 don’t sell car in Hong Kong, India, Philippines and Thailand.
How to let these consumers vote to determine Proton is most trusted brand since they are not and never be the owner of Proton car? It is a shear shame that such crap statement can be appear in P1 official website - wasting rakyat tax payer monies only!
So this Gen-2 Sedan “destined to go places”, let them said as they like, at the end let consumers make the final judgement! Consumers always right!
July 21, 2007 @ 11:56 am
LittleFire85 said,
July 21, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Anyway did any one know that Waja Manual only sell RM38k in Langkawi…
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I can confirm what you said is wrong - Waja 1.6(A) is RM 38K and 1.6(M) is RM 36K.
So there are Protonian up there saying Gen-2 Sedan price is “reasonable” and the cost is RM 36K (must be + vendors cronies mark-up)! When Sedan-2 go on sales at Langkawai, just make a phone call to my friend at Langkawi and see whether this Sedan will be price below RM 36K, if so then that means that wanabe live under NAP illusion taxland Protonian must be joking, or P1 themselve.
July 21, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
Joe Ooi, regarding littlefire85’s posting, i think people who keep mentioning this “Worst Car of the Year - get award for a wrong reason - Gen-2 (2005), Savvy (2006) and Satria Neo (Runner Up) by AutoZine Awards. ” are not well read, and lack knowledge about the topic they’re talking about in the 1st place.
They also have the typical malaysian attitude of believe everything they see, hear from any source without finding out for themselves if there is any truth behind it.
this author of autozine, if you have read about his resume, you will know he is completely talking out of his “backside”.. firstly, he is in hong kong, where personal car ownership has a very very much lower penetration than in malaysia. 2nd, he admits he has no real world experience in the automotive business, 3rdly he has never driven, or even seen a real proton car in his entire life. and some of the people here actually take it as a credible source for automotive information? i think the people who actually take his(autozine author) comments seriously, are as ill-informed about the industry as he is.
unlike paul, He actually does lots of research, and has actually road-tested real cars, and not in his dreams, or evaluating cars while driving his “desk”.
and joe ooi again, i have been following your postings, and you just love to take things out of context.
““the survey was carried out in seven markets across Asia (Malaysia, Hong Kong, India, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, and Thailand) to determine the brands most trusted by consumers in 43 different product and service categories.— this is the official published line by readers digest asia, not proton.
it is an independent survey dont without protons involvement.. unless you dont know what that is, its done by readers digest asia with their readers spanning those countries. but in malaysia, we are only told the winners of products from our country, based on results by malaysian readers.. you dont see or read anything about a product from philipines or taiwan do you?
you somehow love to show your intelligence by roughly reading something, forming a quick opinion(though biased), and then openly show everyone that you didnt know what you were talking about in the first place.
July 21, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
BMW, by virtue of your statement, you means we including P1 have to reject the findings of AutoZine and Reder’s Digest? Like to hear your further comments!
July 21, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Joe, stop spreading rumours about crony/vendor markup. It’s simply not true.
Eg. The gen2 is RM36000 OFF road.
inclusive tax (applied to all cars) is RM44000
inclusive of number plate, registration, misc. it adds up to RM46000
And even at RM46000, it’s still reasonable compared to similar (1200kg class) japanese sedans that would cost about RM70k OTR if NAP DIDNT exist.
July 21, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Personally think, the price is affordable. Yeah quite attractive.
Look and design, well everybody said it is a Gen2-Sedan so i could pretty figured out how it looks like.
Handling, quality and the rest..well i have no idea ! Anyway it’s Proton certified. SO you judge it by yourself whether it’s reliable or not.
By the way, i don’t like this kind of teaser. It’s just….too dull, unprofessional, lousy marketing strategy and reflects the low self esteem of those who are working at Proton. No confidence on their own product !
Take a look of how among those brilliant aces do some of their teaser:
http://paultan.org/archives/2006/12/07/lexus-teases-us-with-lexus-is-f-rear-end/
And please don’t just look blindly but learn ! Lexus teaser is very simple yet sparks chemistry attraction on people to know more about the product.
Since Proton deemed already disappointed me with their ‘low-class’ teaser, well…good luck to Proton on this new sedan. Again, in terms of pricing i think this new sedan can sells, yet price is not everything dude. So long boy !
July 21, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
ezralimm said,
July 21, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Joe, stop spreading rumours about crony/vendor markup. It’s simply not true.
Eg. The gen2 is RM36000 OFF road.
inclusive tax (applied to all cars) is RM44000
inclusive of number plate, registration, misc. it adds up to RM46000
And even at RM46000, it’s still reasonable compared to similar (1200kg class) japanese sedans that would cost about RM70k OTR if NAP DIDNT exist.
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You seem to forget that there’s a reason why Jap sedans are selling so expensive here. If the NAP was really National Automobile Policy and not National Automaker Policy, then there won’t be a RM46k national car, but there would be tons of RM40-50k Civics, Altis and RM80-RM90k Camry and Accords.
p.s. Hmm since Jap cars were more safe, can I make an assumption that our G wants us to: “Pay more tax, or die!” LoL
July 21, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Yeah, sorry joe ooi. Yup 1.6 (A) waja is RM38k.. Anywayz BanyakMasukWorkshop i think ur name resemble some car brand that Banyak Masuk Workshop in Malaysia.. Every work shop sure see the car 1.. Even the technition say: “if Proton die, they die also..” Why? Can earn a lot by repairing it, LOL!
July 21, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
hahahaha, that’s the perspective i was trying to correct.
RM40k for a Civic? ROTFLMAO. Wont happen. Not in Malaysia, not in the States, not in Australia, not in Free Trade Zones with ZERO tax. I will be more like RM70k OTR.
To repeat:
And even at RM46000, it’s still reasonable compared to similar (1200kg class) japanese sedans that would cost about RM70k OTR if NAP/Proton __DID_NOT_EXIST__.
July 21, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Anywayz yesterday my father met his friend just came back from London from finishing his master in the Uni of Newcastle.. Do u know the the C-class C200 compressor 99′ only left 5K pound! 5kX7=RM3500! He and his wife both bought 2 cars back, 1 C-class n 1 E-class 98′ E240 (also around 5-6k pound). Using student as a reason back, MITI allow them to import back to malaysia in a condition that they cannot sell the car within 5 years.. Well RM10k get 2 merc back from London.. Even the transport fee cost less then RM1k.. + JPJ register around RM1k also.. RM12k for 2 merc driving in Malaysia.. Lucky bastard! I also want to study in UK!
July 21, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
hey “King”
i like your comment…
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Price below 35-38K can charge with higher interest rate are understadable….but if you choose that high spec fatt butt & they charge same interest rate…..sure we rugi lots…..
July 21, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
sorry i mean 500 pound! LOL! But i think maybe they cheat the real car price.. coz they say in UK u can register the car under the price.. Coz both the cars are sell by their friends to them.. Anywayz i just found out that car near to 10 years in UK are cheap, and can consider to be scrap..
July 21, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
Opps sorry, but i don’t know. Perhaps in Malaysia price is everything..
If that so, it seems that Proton set the strategy right on this model since its other counterparts are selling with damn higher price (Of course by force). And the only competitor within the price range is its own brother, Perodua even the two cater for different class and segment.
So that’s good….healthy for Malaysian economy development. Sigh…
July 21, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
i’ve been following the blog and the comments for a long time and one thing I dont like is I dont like these two people - joe ooi and mycar_stolen, they are just a basher and if you give them the job to fix they would mess it up(no action talk only)
July 21, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
oh my… what an ugly car
July 21, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
i’ve gonna say this once more….bashing brings no good….
keep it cool y’all…..
we dont wanna a greatd day turns 2 gloomy aint it?
July 21, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
to everyone…. the 1st thing we have to check when the car launch is the door!! make sure it can open and close neatly.
second is the boot. make sure we can open the boot from the outside!!
third is the bra shape speedometer casing!! i don’t like the design… distractful when driving!!
fourth is the interior plastic color and quality… make sure is it soft and elegantly build!!
fifth is the seat… i do not want cheap fabric like the old savvy..
sixth will be the leg room…. if it is bigger than myvi, it will be great!! and if the door can also open up to 90 degree… isn’t that superd !!
seventh is the overall design… at least 70 % cannot be the same as current Gen.2. else, this car keep remind us of the failed Gen.2 and it will impact on the car resale value!!
…. kindly add it to the wish list of the New Proton sedan car.. and see how far it gets during launch time…
July 21, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
Proton New Sedan 1.6 BL (M) AT - RM 48,800.00
Hmmm….the price seems reasonable and it’s within my budget, perhaps its time for me to trade-in my Wira 1.5A for the Proton New Sedan.
July 21, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
why cant I have a High-line manual? thats so freakin unfair! so i have to choose, get a “kosong” manual,or a high-line Auto…
weird rite? at least offer with single airbag & ABS minus EBD also good enuff…
July 21, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
stop bashing la people..give them support..
if u dont like proton car..then dont buy their car..stop driving their car..its not about quality or expensive..give them a try..
heehe..play Car Tycoon game..then u know how hard to earn money to build a car..
July 21, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
just to add… I can get Neo/Gen2/Myvi/Viva Manual tranny with Airbag & ABS… so why not this model too???!!
July 21, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
dun be AFFECTED with bashers point of view…….ur’s is good enuf….
July 21, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
hazremi :
im with u buddy , all thy do is mess up the whole forum..all thy do is copy paste ppls comment n comment on it….gees…sickening already…
July 21, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
tec96248,
i am just trying to prove a point that when p1 launches a new model, ppl bash n condemn blindly say 1st batch surely got problems. of course i know all other manufacturers have some initial probs too. but when p2 got new model….you morons go rush like frenzy n buy n later got problems just keep quiet. if u don’t understand wat i am saying thats just too bad for your puny brain and i would not like to waste time talking to a moron like you. nobody was talking to you in the 1st place.
this model no info is out yet on the spec and has anyone actually seen the car inside out? so stop bashing blindly. go test drive the car 1st later on.
July 21, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
tec96248 said,
compared with different segment of cars? why u had to critized malaysia? malaysia or their cars kill ur parents? family or members?
isn’t this new car priced in the same category as myvi? you never went to school? wat does if gotta do wif my family? pathetic fool.
there is an old saying: If you keep your mouth shut, nobody will know that you are stupid.
July 21, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
model not out yet and somebody starts bashing,..get a hobby or something please..want a first class car but mentality still third class..sorry ,hope gen 2 sedan will do well…satria neo is already a major improvement,good handling,sticks to the road at corners, can accelarate to 170km/h with ease and still stable,so might be similar to new gen2…sceptical about campro engines at first,i was wrong, good enough to do the job actually..
July 21, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
ezralimm said,
July 21, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Joe, stop spreading rumours about crony/vendor markup. It’s simply not true.
Eg. The gen2 is RM36000 OFF road.
inclusive tax (applied to all cars) is RM44000
inclusive of number plate, registration, misc. it adds up to RM46000
And even at RM46000, it’s still reasonable compared to similar (1200kg class) japanese sedans that would cost about RM70k OTR if NAP DIDNT exist.
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OK if there is no cronies markup at RM 36K, means Gen-2 don’t achieve economies of scale.
U want to know how much it cost for Kia Picanto? Last time I got a friend working with NAZA, he is incharge of financial part, and informed me the LC price (purchase at Factory in Korea) for Kia Picanto is merely RM 7,200. This car is at a same pricing for OTR with Gen-2 Sedan. You just figure out, P1 don’t have economies of scale or cronies sucking or both! You want to live in crap-triotic illusion delusion utopia car-tax-land, let it be!
Don’t treat that NAP/P1 is heaven-send-god-create-auto that we have to “worship” NAP/P1 with our hard earn RM $$$$$$$!
July 21, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Wish list of Gen-2 Sedan is see-first-let-other-buy-if-OK-then-decide-to-buy!
July 21, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Perodua - 13,177 (Jan ~ May = 58,652)
Proton - 7,609 (Jan ~ May = 38,050)
Perodua Viva - 3,951, of which 49% were 1.0
Perodua Myvi - 7,264
Proton Savvy - 226
Proton Iswara (incl aeroback) - 4,432
tough luck
July 21, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
hahaha, RM7000 for a Kia Picanto?
A mid range 1.0L Picanto in the UK is about RM44,000 (6200 GBP) On The Road.
Are you trying to be funny?
July 21, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
OK if there is no cronies markup at RM 36K, means Gen-2 don’t achieve economies of scale.
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I dont understand what you’re saying. RM36k –> RM45k is due to NORMAL TAXES (faced by all cars). It has nothing to do with economy of scale. It has nothing to do with cronies and whatnot. And it has nothing to do with the NAP. As mentioned before, RM45k is cheap for a 1200kg sedan with or without the NAP.
July 21, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
now everyone is an expert, same like politician in the parliament…don’t like u can buy something else,got money can buy 5 series bmw but with tight budget..u decide yourself…bashers are just doing what they do best…
July 21, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
It’s a good move by P1, looking foward to test drive it , if things go well, will probably replace my old iswara with this one…
July 21, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
come on.. wait till the car come out, then u can bash your heart out lah. how come u say it ugly before u actually see it?
July 21, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
ezralimm said,
Dewd, the wira was outdated technology. So they had to let it go cheap. This upcoming sedan is current technology with a more updated styling. Btw, it should be more expensive to develop your own platform/engine than to get it off someone else. Eg. Holden still uses Daewoo platforms as it’s cheaper to do so than to manafacture their own.
The Gen2 is a heavier/safer car too if im not mistaken… something like 990kg (wira) vs 1200kg (gen2). Both cars are a generation apart.
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Current technology my $$$
July 21, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
ezralimm said,
The Gen2 is a heavier/safer car too if im not mistaken… something like 990kg (wira) vs 1200kg (gen2). Both cars are a generation apart.
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Heaver doesn’t always mean safer.
July 21, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
nizam80 said,
What is TCU? Anyway, Proton said that they’ve improved the TCU. So, better torque curve, smoother engine? No more spirtited driving, as claimed by the previous management. hahaha. This is a product from the new management. I’ve a feeling its going to be damn GOOD!! If anybody had a chance to test drive it, please share with us the info.
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Anyone have CamPro Torque-Power Graph?
July 21, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
there are supporter, protonian and also rakyat!
WE, RAKYAT ought to have the right to own a proper car in terms of affordability, quality and safety!
Good to see another new product coming… lets keep our finger crossed!
July 21, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
MyBoy, I was trying to explain why it’s a lil more expensive than the previous Wira it replaces. Hence the weight comparison. Someone suggested it should be cheaper than the wira.
And in the event of an accident, id rather be in a recent 1200kg car than a 990kg car of yesteryear’s design.
Read threads further up for more details.
July 21, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Driven2020 said,
July 21, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Perodua - 13,177 (Jan ~ May = 58,652)
Proton - 7,609 (Jan ~ May = 38,050)
Perodua Viva - 3,951, of which 49% were 1.0
Perodua Myvi - 7,264
Proton Savvy - 226
Proton Iswara (incl aeroback) - 4,432
tough luck
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This is in Malaysia sales figure..
u forgot u include Global market figure
prrrfthh Juara Kampung
July 21, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
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MyBoy said,
July 21, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
Anyone have CamPro Torque-Power Graph?
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Which one? the cAMpRO or CamPro?
they only graph as far as i know is here
http://www.proton.com/innovation/rnd/campro.php
plus you might see the info there not consistent. top part talks about the cps+vim then gives the tech spec for non cps+vim then afterwards gives the comparison between a non cps+vim with a cps+vim. aiya so confusing @_@
if they have the dyno data for the cps+vim, why post the non cps+vim tech spec? as if the graph was “made” hahaha
sales figure for May 07 for gen2+waja combined est 2951 units. Can the new gen2 with a longer a$$ change the tide? stay tuned