Comments for Paul Tan's Automotive News http://paultan.org Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:49:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 Comment on VW to develop its own electric drivelines by Annihilated http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/vw-to-develop-its-own-electric-drivelines/#comment-297755 Annihilated Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:49:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/vw-to-develop-its-own-electric-drivelines/#comment-297755 but what if BYD started to chop and make VW or VW group car then claimed their own in future? what will vw do? but what if BYD started to chop and make VW or VW group car then claimed their own in future?

what will vw do?

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by waimak http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297754 waimak Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:48:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297754 i hope those who put their comments here understand that whatever a car decision is it's purely a business decision and nothing else.. so please dont be emotional or outrageous about it.. i hope those who put their comments here understand that whatever a car decision is it’s purely a business decision and nothing else.. so please dont be emotional or outrageous about it..

]]> Comment on Toyota Vios facelift teased on UMW Toyota website with estimated pricing by Koreancarsupporter http://paultan.org/2010/02/07/toyota-vios-facelift-teased-on-umw-toyota-website-with-estimated-pricing/#comment-297753 Koreancarsupporter Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:44:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=21977#comment-297753 Many people treat Kia Forte like Kia Spectra? Am I right? This is totally different car and that's why NAZA want to replace the Kia Spectra. We all know Kia spectra has lot of problem, but do you guys really know about Kia Forte? Those who drive Hyundai Avante X20 will know. Because Kia Forte based on Hyundai Avante X20. We all know Korean car improve better nowadays but ridiculous thing here is why ppl still has 10 years mindset especially in Malaysia? No wonder Korean car has a worst sale in Malaysia, no wonder Malaysian cannot improve because they cannot change their mindset. Don't forget, the Korean car manufacturer also learn from Japan car, some even built by Japan car companies also. If you suspect Korean car means you also don't trust Japan car. Toyota should be one of the company involve R&D for CVVT engine outsources for Korean Car like Hyundai, Kia. Many people treat Kia Forte like Kia Spectra? Am I right?

This is totally different car and that’s why NAZA want to replace the Kia Spectra. We all know Kia spectra has lot of problem, but do you guys really know about Kia Forte? Those who drive Hyundai Avante X20 will know. Because Kia Forte based on Hyundai Avante X20. We all know Korean car improve better nowadays but ridiculous thing here is why ppl still has 10 years mindset especially in Malaysia? No wonder Korean car has a worst sale in Malaysia, no wonder Malaysian cannot improve because they cannot change their mindset.

Don’t forget, the Korean car manufacturer also learn from Japan car, some even built by Japan car companies also. If you suspect Korean car means you also don’t trust Japan car. Toyota should be one of the company involve R&D for CVVT engine outsources for Korean Car like Hyundai, Kia.

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by malaysia memang boleh http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297752 malaysia memang boleh Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:41:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297752 suggestions: 1.proton exxisse 2.proton zesse 3.proton sellae 4.proton sedanne 5.proton dexira 6.proton verxa 7.proton GEN-3 suggestions:
1.proton exxisse
2.proton zesse
3.proton sellae
4.proton sedanne
5.proton dexira
6.proton verxa
7.proton GEN-3

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by wow1234 http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297751 wow1234 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:41:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297751 hypocrites...last time.. come on la proton..we need your own design!!!not copy from other people!!! then: come on la...takkan asyik2 nak amik org punye enjin saje...duhhh.. now... wahhh..proton got new car!!using lancer design!!!fuiiiyoooooo!!!! plus.. cantek aaa...harap2 jgn guna enjin campro..amik terus je enjin jepun... malaysiaku oh malaysia... the end..:) hypocrites…last time..

come on la proton..we need your own design!!!not copy from other people!!!

then:

come on la…takkan asyik2 nak amik org punye enjin saje…duhhh..

now…

wahhh..proton got new car!!using lancer design!!!fuiiiyoooooo!!!!

plus..

cantek aaa…harap2 jgn guna enjin campro..amik terus je enjin jepun…

malaysiaku oh malaysia…

the end..:)

]]> Comment on Toyota Vios facelift teased on UMW Toyota website with estimated pricing by Viosfans http://paultan.org/2010/02/07/toyota-vios-facelift-teased-on-umw-toyota-website-with-estimated-pricing/#comment-297750 Viosfans Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:34:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=21977#comment-297750 If Vios adds in the paddle shift, USB or AUX input, then it will match to the new price of Vios. Facelift so many time why still Vios cannot provide single things such like paddle shift, USB or AUX input? Look at the Honda City E spec, they can really give what people expected. If Vios adds in the paddle shift, USB or AUX input, then it will match to the new price of Vios. Facelift so many time why still Vios cannot provide single things such like paddle shift, USB or AUX input?

Look at the Honda City E spec, they can really give what people expected.

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by malaysia memang boleh http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297747 malaysia memang boleh Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:25:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297747 proton signed an agreement with mitsubishi,proton will take mitsu lancer to rebadge and mitsu will take exora and persona to rebadge,and they will develop small hatchback car together. proton signed an agreement with mitsubishi,proton will take mitsu lancer to rebadge and mitsu will take exora and persona to rebadge,and they will develop small hatchback car together.

]]> Comment on Singapore International Arbitration Centre: Proton termination of Goldstar JV contract is valid by tokmoh http://paultan.org/2010/02/08/singapore-international-arbitration-centre-proton-termination-of-goldstar-jv-contract-is-valid/#comment-297746 tokmoh Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:23:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22085#comment-297746 On customer satisfaction index: JD Sales Satisfaction Index 2008: Proton got 747 points http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_1554/page_m.asp JD Sales Satisfaction Index 2009: Proton got 771 points http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_2082/page_m.asp ~~~ JD Customer Satisfaction Index 2007: Proton got 713 points http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_1039/c1.JPG JD Customer Satisfaction Index 2008: Proton got 720 points http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_1523/page_m.asp ~~~ Masuk sekolah rendah balik la Hameed Koyakuti... Orang macam ni boleh buat kerja lagi bagus dari management sekarang ke? Harhar. On customer satisfaction index:

JD Sales Satisfaction Index 2008: Proton got 747 points http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_1554/page_m.asp

JD Sales Satisfaction Index 2009: Proton got 771 points
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_2082/page_m.asp

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JD Customer Satisfaction Index 2007: Proton got 713 points
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_1039/c1.JPG

JD Customer Satisfaction Index 2008: Proton got 720 points
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_1523/page_m.asp

~~~

Masuk sekolah rendah balik la Hameed Koyakuti…

Orang macam ni boleh buat kerja lagi bagus dari management sekarang ke? Harhar.

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by saya http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297745 saya Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:21:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297745 mana spy photos. cuba cari kat area tg malim. kat blakang kilang tu ada bnyk kereta utk dihantar ker dealer. guna 600mm baru nmpk clear. mana spy photos. cuba cari kat area tg malim. kat blakang kilang tu ada bnyk kereta utk dihantar ker dealer. guna 600mm baru nmpk clear.

]]> Comment on Porsche 911 Turbo S to debut at Geneva by Kington http://paultan.org/2010/02/08/porsche-911-turbo-s-to-debut-at-geneva/#comment-297742 Kington Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:08:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22090#comment-297742 Yup, it's sad to see the demise of the 959.. it was truly,a real legend back then. I miss the Carrera GT. Went to the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart to get a 1:18 scale, but it was sold out. Sigh. Yup, it’s sad to see the demise of the 959.. it was truly,a real legend back then.

I miss the Carrera GT. Went to the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart to get a 1:18 scale, but it was sold out. Sigh.

]]> Comment on Singapore International Arbitration Centre: Proton termination of Goldstar JV contract is valid by A'enz http://paultan.org/2010/02/08/singapore-international-arbitration-centre-proton-termination-of-goldstar-jv-contract-is-valid/#comment-297741 A'enz Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:00:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22085#comment-297741 after this he will say.. i only driving my dream car just only... only in my DREAM!! hahaha... so, what is superb about perodua-finishes-2009-on-top-of-the-sales-chart? on 2009 proton didn't sell any car eh?? hahaha... after this he will say.. i only driving my dream car just only… only in my DREAM!! hahaha… so, what is superb about perodua-finishes-2009-on-top-of-the-sales-chart? on 2009 proton didn’t sell any car eh?? hahaha…

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by clutch_plate http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297740 clutch_plate Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:58:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297740 Imagine... powered with 1.8 CamPro CPS + Turbocharger generate a massive 180hp.. with ABS, EBD, blablabla... Here comes.., the all new Proton KNIGHT.. hehe.. just my 2 cent.. ;) Imagine…

powered with 1.8 CamPro CPS + Turbocharger generate a massive 180hp.. with ABS, EBD, blablabla…

Here comes.., the all new Proton KNIGHT..

hehe.. just my 2 cent.. ;)

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by DONT INSULT PROTON U IDIOT! http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297739 DONT INSULT PROTON U IDIOT! Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:39:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297739 For those people who hates PROTON i begging u no need to see this or even see proton car on the road COZ U OLLZ Are stupid litlle fuck!! Sokong ma sama keta malaysia WTF For those people who hates PROTON i begging u no need to see this or even see proton car on the road COZ U OLLZ Are stupid litlle fuck!! Sokong ma sama keta malaysia WTF

]]> Comment on Porsche releases 4 videos of the 911 Turbo S by The Loner http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/porsche-releases-4-videos-of-the-911-turbo-s/#comment-297738 The Loner Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:27:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22112#comment-297738 Over a million. Millionaire here can't afford for this unless multi-millionaire... Over a million. Millionaire here can’t afford for this unless multi-millionaire…

]]> Comment on Singapore International Arbitration Centre: Proton termination of Goldstar JV contract is valid by Eyesore http://paultan.org/2010/02/08/singapore-international-arbitration-centre-proton-termination-of-goldstar-jv-contract-is-valid/#comment-297736 Eyesore Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:18:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22085#comment-297736 nah... he's just a perodua staff who claimed he can enter P1 MD office at will n look at documents.... sore loser and a bad lier IMHO... nah… he’s just a perodua staff who claimed he can enter P1 MD office at will n look at documents….

sore loser and a bad lier IMHO…

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by lambov12 http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297735 lambov12 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:11:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297735 Eagle i Thrust Hammerhead ? Eagle i Thrust Hammerhead ?

]]> Comment on Singapore International Arbitration Centre: Proton termination of Goldstar JV contract is valid by Neutral http://paultan.org/2010/02/08/singapore-international-arbitration-centre-proton-termination-of-goldstar-jv-contract-is-valid/#comment-297734 Neutral Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:06:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22085#comment-297734 sayang usaha dah ada,tapi hasil xberjaya.takpe,usaha lagi. P2 xdapat chance nak jual to international,setakat tu je la maximum volume pun. kami doakan Proton akan berjaya next time. sayang usaha dah ada,tapi hasil xberjaya.takpe,usaha lagi. P2 xdapat chance nak jual to international,setakat tu je la maximum volume pun.
kami doakan Proton akan berjaya next time.

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by peYno http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297733 peYno Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:06:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297733 back to topic.. new waja replacement naming contest 1. Proton fortus the name is trendy nowaday we have KIA FORTE, we have MITSUBISHI FORTIS.. now proton got FORTUS back to topic.. new waja replacement naming contest

1. Proton fortus
the name is trendy nowaday
we have KIA FORTE, we have MITSUBISHI FORTIS.. now proton got FORTUS

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by peYno http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297731 peYno Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:01:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297731 waja fortis/lancer 1.6 CPS NA: 59k 1.6 Turbo :65k 1.8 NA Mitsubishi engine : 78k wahhhh Ah beng japs wannabe must be in confusion now... waja fortis/lancer
1.6 CPS NA: 59k
1.6 Turbo :65k
1.8 NA Mitsubishi engine : 78k

wahhhh Ah beng japs wannabe must be in confusion now…

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by yippi33 http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297729 yippi33 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:58:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297729 even if its based on lancer, i think the design will be somewhat different judging from protons prev models..its quite sad if rebadging is the only thing theyll be doing..but this could be the persona replacement model (PRM) since it wil be the first one under protons new design direction..whatever the name is..it must be with a glokal touch (something that can be accepted both locally and globally).. gud luck protonians.. even if its based on lancer, i think the design will be somewhat different judging from protons prev models..its quite sad if rebadging is the only thing theyll be doing..but this could be the persona replacement model (PRM) since it wil be the first one under protons new design direction..whatever the name is..it must be with a glokal touch (something that can be accepted both locally and globally)..

gud luck protonians..

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by peYno http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297728 peYno Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:57:22 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297728 Q said, February 9, 2010 @ 3:17 pm Even world carmakers doing the same, what to bash. To be precise, REBADGING. As long as the company dont do all rebadging, it is still acceptable. This is the way forward for auto industries. Toyota-Peugeot. Mitsubishi-Peugeot. Chrysler-Fiat. ============= u r damn rigth. this a Norm to see car manufacturer all over the world doing rebadge and also develop own product.. even Daihatsu has its own product (MIRA) and rebadge product (Luminas/boon)... Nissan also develope own product and also rebadge (renault)... but i never seen car "manufacturer" doing 100% rebadge except perodua.. prrrrfthhh Q said,

February 9, 2010 @ 3:17 pm

Even world carmakers doing the same, what to bash.
To be precise, REBADGING.
As long as the company dont do all rebadging, it is still acceptable.
This is the way forward for auto industries.

Toyota-Peugeot.

Mitsubishi-Peugeot.

Chrysler-Fiat.

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u r damn rigth. this a Norm to see car manufacturer all over the world doing rebadge and also develop own product.. even Daihatsu has its own product (MIRA) and rebadge product (Luminas/boon)… Nissan also develope own product and also rebadge (renault)…

but i never seen car “manufacturer” doing 100% rebadge except perodua..

prrrrfthhh

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by DiVo D27 http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297727 DiVo D27 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:55:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297727 Hey NeaRRdy; i agRee wiT u..!! tht wouLd b fun..!! PAUL tinK bouT it! ProTon EniGma...--> rinG a BeLL smewhr in de HeaD!! Hey NeaRRdy; i agRee wiT u..!! tht wouLd b fun..!! PAUL tinK bouT it!

ProTon EniGma…–> rinG a BeLL smewhr in de HeaD!!

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by STUPID AHSHOLD http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297725 STUPID AHSHOLD Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:48:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297725 ###############################3 ############33 I suggest a name call Proton Exotica! ##################### ######################################## ###############################3

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I suggest a name call Proton Exotica!

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]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by STUPID AHSHOLD http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297724 STUPID AHSHOLD Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:47:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297724 #################################### Why proton need so many sedan on the same segment? since we have persona now.. but honestly I prefer Waja more than persona... and where is the D segment 2.0 above sedan??? Proton only target lower income group? ############################## ####################################

Why proton need so many sedan on the same segment? since we have persona now..

but honestly I prefer Waja more than persona…

and where is the D segment 2.0 above sedan???

Proton only target lower income group?

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]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by Kiah http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297722 Kiah Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:37:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297722 Kim.... bagus sangat ke kualiti Perdana V6 tue? Reliable ke? Yg aku tau, memang kreta proton ni tak reliable. ini bukan cakap kosong tanpa bukti. ini memang hakikatnya. vendor2 semua kasi barang tak kualiti kat proton. pastu vendor letak harga mahal. memang tak berbaloi dengan monthly installment yg ko bayar. proton sebenarnya kene la kontrol vendor2 tu. buat QC betul2 sebelum terima barang dari vendor. patutnya QC nie orang proton yg kene check dan approve di kilang2 vendor2 nih sebelum di hantar ke kilang protong. Kim…. bagus sangat ke kualiti Perdana V6 tue? Reliable ke? Yg aku tau, memang kreta proton ni tak reliable. ini bukan cakap kosong tanpa bukti. ini memang hakikatnya. vendor2 semua kasi barang tak kualiti kat proton. pastu vendor letak harga mahal. memang tak berbaloi dengan monthly installment yg ko bayar.

proton sebenarnya kene la kontrol vendor2 tu. buat QC betul2 sebelum terima barang dari vendor. patutnya QC nie orang proton yg kene check dan approve di kilang2 vendor2 nih sebelum di hantar ke kilang protong.

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by paparazi http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297721 paparazi Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:30:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297721 Potong Proton! Potong Proton~ Hey! what's wrong with me. Potong Proton! Potong Proton~ Hey! what’s wrong with me.

]]> Comment on BMW F10 5-Series First Drive Report by nyawere http://paultan.org/2010/02/08/bmw-f10-5-series-first-drive-report/#comment-297720 nyawere Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:21:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22036#comment-297720 waaa...... Looks like a 3 series..! Does not even look bigger..! They should compare it with a 3 (E90 Facelift). I know that they are trying to follow the same design scheme, but somehow, they lost the 5 series elegance. Instead, the new 5 is going into the sportiness of the 3 category. Just my 2 cents..! waaa…… Looks like a 3 series..! Does not even look bigger..!
They should compare it with a 3 (E90 Facelift). I know that they are trying to follow the same design scheme, but somehow, they lost the 5 series elegance. Instead, the new 5 is going into the sportiness of the 3 category.

Just my 2 cents..!

]]> Comment on Renault to establish new Indian distribution alone by Peter http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/renault-to-establish-new-indian-distribution-alone/#comment-297719 Peter Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:20:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22106#comment-297719 Nice car......But i wont buy if Nazas are going to rebadge! I hate it..... Nice car……But i wont buy if Nazas are going to rebadge! I hate it…..

]]> Comment on Toyota Vios facelift teased on UMW Toyota website with estimated pricing by Peter http://paultan.org/2010/02/07/toyota-vios-facelift-teased-on-umw-toyota-website-with-estimated-pricing/#comment-297718 Peter Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:18:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=21977#comment-297718 Tiadaid said, February 9, 2010 @ 9:52 am kancil elite said, February 9, 2010 @ 8:31 am toyota can facelift all they want…cos overall their car already solid.. but proton has yet to prove any of their car can get 3 star in crash test.. —————– 3-star? Waja got 3-star. Exora could get 4-star if tested. ----------------------------- Bro,....Exora is awarded 4 star ENCAP saftey test in spain......It is a true malaysian car. Dont talk about cars like Perodua Myvi, Alza, Nazas which are rebadge. Even though the cars which they rebadge are 4 stars or even 5 stars safety standards but the problem is that Perodua and even Naza did not even sent for any safety test. Reason is simple, want cheap, built cheap. Then through advertisement and say "4 star ENCHAP safety test".....But the test is refer to those models which they rebadge. Thats why i dont like Peroduas and Nazas,... Tiadaid said,

February 9, 2010 @ 9:52 am

kancil elite said,
February 9, 2010 @ 8:31 am

toyota can facelift all they want…cos overall their car already solid..
but proton has yet to prove any of their car can get 3 star in crash test..

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3-star? Waja got 3-star. Exora could get 4-star if tested.

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Bro,….Exora is awarded 4 star ENCAP saftey test in spain……It is a true malaysian car. Dont talk about cars like Perodua Myvi, Alza, Nazas which are rebadge. Even though the cars which they rebadge are 4 stars or even 5 stars safety standards but the problem is that Perodua and even Naza did not even sent for any safety test. Reason is simple, want cheap, built cheap. Then through advertisement and say “4 star ENCHAP safety test”…..But the test is refer to those models which they rebadge. Thats why i dont like Peroduas and Nazas,…

]]> Comment on New Proton Sedan on the way this year? by man http://paultan.org/2010/02/09/new-proton-sedan-on-the-way-this-year/#comment-297717 man Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:18:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=22097#comment-297717 If we can use Persona, then Proton Impian (like in UK) If we can use Persona, then Proton Impian (like in UK)

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