A Youtuber called byawn4us spotted this disguised Perodua MPV at the Sungei Buloh Restoran Jejantas carpark on Thursday, just one day after the launch of the Proton Exora. The flow of the video is somehow quite convenient really, first you get to see it parked next to a Wira, then it reverses and drives past a Viva, giving us a good comparison of its size compared to other cars that we see daily.
The Perodua MPV (codenamed D46T) is based on the Toyota Passo Sette and is definitely smaller than the Proton Exora, but it is expected to be cheaper (indicated pricing of RM66k and below) and there will always be people who are drawn to its Toyota DNA, even more so if they only need 5+2 instead of 7 seater capabilities.
Have a look at the Toyota Passo Sette version, or watch the video after the jump.
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Competition is getting hotter.
Looks a bit like viva and more like 1.5x of viva's length
finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..
Ooo….
The timing for Perodua could not be any worse. After the launch of Exora, the only marketing maneuver option for P2 is to lower (significantly) on the road price of their MPV.
Looks like P2 is starting to conduct their "On-Road" reliability test.. Soon we can see more n more of the spyshoot of this new mpv.. but can it beat the exora?? P2 will only rely on the Toyota DNA icon maybe… : (
competition is always healthy, w/out competition, one will not improve and learn….
[quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.
[quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
exterior design, i can gives p1 a good mark..but interior(especially latest model) kinda disapointed..i'd prefer wira,perdana interior..the quality and it looks more nicer. nway i'm looking fwd to see exora at alamanda(place where ppl display new cars..at the centre court)..
semms like small……..
cramped………
btw if wanna smething huge..EXORA….smthng "ngam-ngam" go to tis PERODUA D46T
why want to fight for food.. damn stupid
i prefer Exora…seems D26T sister for viva..nothing less and nothing more for space
[quote comment="231657"][quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.[/quote]
I dare to say all these because I'm making a comparison on both vehicles, mainly on quality control. Maybe you could scrutinize more on built quality of Proton compared to any Perodua. RND is important yes, the rest of the world cares for it, and I admit I did over speak, but how on earth can Proton put a 1.6 engine into a car which weighs a ton and a half? I tested the car and sadly, it's awfully underpowered.
blind toyota minded…..its ok if u guys a honda minded compared to toyota, its not tat blind. I hv use toyota, p2, proton & freakin korean, and toyota isnt tat reliable. Parts might cost rm45 and the T badge costs another rm150 and total rm195. Ill take proton and perhaps honda in near future. no more T badge, koreans and P2
maybe proton can ask government to stop this perodua mpv
or delaying its launching to next year,
only after proton recoup its investment than only allow peroduo to sale its mpv, if not exora WILL HIT badly by the peroduo mpv.
i dont think chery eastar or chana mpv is a threat to proton,
exora is better choice than avanza and cheaper than nissan livina.
[quote comment="231668"][quote comment="231657"][quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.[/quote]
I dare to say all these because I'm making a comparison on both vehicles, mainly on quality control. Maybe you could scrutinize more on built quality of Proton compared to any Perodua. RND is important yes, the rest of the world cares for it, and I admit I did over speak, but how on earth can Proton put a 1.6 engine into a car which weighs a ton and a half? I tested the car and sadly, it's awfully underpowered.[/quote]
i tested the car too this morning and it has sufficient power for my needs.
This would defenately d direct tread to exora coz it seems that its just nice,
not too big, not too small & not too expensive.
Hmmm, i can smell an exora b-line coming soon.
Saw this mpv on putrajaya road.The driver really drove slowly.Mayb he want somebody take the pic. U noe la, more spy shot..more popular…marketing strategy.BTW…the mpv look small.
proton??
perodua??
7??
5+2??
1.6??
1.5??
hmm…….
lu pikir la sndri……
well come to the mpv world……
ahakkkk………
although its look small…..
but i thing ppl will love it……..
and although exora looks big….
pple still will buy it…….
and……………………..
i cant wait 2 see this produa crash into exora…….
so we can see what will happen to this car……
i hope is more batter than avanza…….
well com to the mpv world….
ahakkkk……
although it look small…….
i think ppl will love it…….
and although exora looks big……
ppl will still want 2 buy it……
and…..
i cant wait 2 see this p2 crash on2 exora……
so we can see what will happend to this mpv………
hope its more better than avanza…..
How much can a 66k (at most) MPV (remember an MPV not a sedan) get you these days. I doubt that the MPV you are going to get is far from Sette specifications. A tiny Viva cost RM35k, Myvi RM 45+K and both these cars have very basic no frills kind of specifications. I think probably it would be something like Avanza (and how much is Avanza?), a very basic car. Everybody knows that P2 is generally more expensive than P1, but their car are relatively 'cheap' because their cars are smaller, which is why they are at top spot right now. I hope P2 will retain some of the Jap specs on our soil.
[quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
what? r u saying about toyota, not perodua that will produce it. just look at the quality of the tin can metal car and of course the cheap plastic too.. and still priced between saga blm.. want to get a good car go and pay 160k and buy wish or smthing.. at 70k aspect it to be good as hell. where are ur mind?
How much can a 66k (at most) MPV (remember an MPV not a sedan) get you these days. I doubt that the MPV you are going to get is far from Sette specifications. A tiny Viva cost RM35k, Myvi RM 45+K and both these cars have very basic no frills kind of specifications. I think probably it would be something like Avanza (and how much is Avanza?), a very basic car. Everybody knows that P2 is generally more expensive than P1, but their car are relatively 'cheap' because their cars are smaller, which is why they are at top spot right now. I hope P2 will retain some of the Jap specs on our soil.
apsal nak gaduh2. Both proton and perodua were malaysian's car. If u dun like p1 so buy p2. If u dun like both. Go buy that damn expensive japs or euro mpv. One more thing, how fast u want a go in an mpv. How fast can u go on malaysian hway?
why the cameraman so scared to take picture so far from that car?
By right he should go nearer not spying mah…..
recently see the interior.. bonnet half than exora..seat cream colour, centre dash board meter… driver have a box..
yeah, this is probably the same one I saw driving up Genting two weeks ago.
[quote comment="231673"]maybe proton can ask government to stop this perodua mpv
or delaying its launching to next year,
only after proton recoup its investment than only allow peroduo to sale its mpv, if not exora WILL HIT badly by the peroduo mpv.
i dont think chery eastar or chana mpv is a threat to proton,
exora is better choice than avanza and cheaper than nissan livina.[/quote]
Malaysian motorists are calling for an end to protectionism given to proton all this while, and now you want them to continue with it by asking Perodua to delay launch just for the exora?
Would it be fair if the Government asks McDonalds's to stop selling Ayam Goreng McD so KFC can sell more chicken?
Think straight man.
ok wat 1.6 engine… maybe a bit underpower… but still u need to have a look on ur purpose… to race or bring family?? …. not satisfied…. go buy your damn ferrari… then extend it to be like a MPV car…. idiot…
my question is …. if u own exora 1.6 L …. ar u going to drive across the country everyday…. or climb the slope hill like genting….. …..
anyway our speed limit is just 110 Km/j…. not need to rush aa…..
[quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
you not interested… go buy your damn hell conti or japs car….
sikit2 japs…. wat can japs give to u…. instead your money flew out to jap…
i dont think exora is awfully made… proton is too young to create bombastic design like toyota even they have it (refer to previous blog regarding development of exora.. got nice sketches) …. they have to consider the cost … right now, proton just want to fix their tarnished image…
i believe with p2 66k….. p2 is going to unveil with very…very basic product like avanza…. better go to exora…
Why do p2 have to test this ting anyway ??
it not that its a brand new product never been tested before , u have to kno this is not a new product , so all the testing been done by daihatsu and co long ago , pathetic atempt to steal attention from exora !
or thy wana test their front /rear bumper that their R%D proudly 'designed' ?!!
or where to put the p2 logo !? such hard work !
this should something near the Suzuki APV which hit Malaysia last time
ok, very simple- if you have 2 adults+4kids (<13 yrs old), take P2.
if you have 2 adults, 2 teenagers & few kids (<13 yrs old), take Exora.
Simple maths right?
[quote comment="231657"][quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.[/quote]
What is R&D?
Its good for our economy- healthy competition. By the way, these mpv serve for different purpose:
P2 MPV– long wheelbase version of Myvi with 5+2 seater
P1 Exora-'full' size MPV of 7 seater
If you only need seats for 5 to 6 people then P2 ok for you otherwise Exora will cater for 7 adult (the last row must have shorter leg to accommodate with lower position of the seat.
P2 mpv will have own market though hardly it can on par with P1 features.
aiyoo…so small la….but looks fine to me….everyone, stay calm…every thing have pros and cons….its a matter of to choose the right one for yourself…..if you don't like something, there's always another options….people put a lot of effort on building one car, no matter what the brand is…nothing is perfect…appreciate this miracle of engineering…cheer up…
[quote comment="231713"][quote comment="231657"][quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.[/quote]
What is R&D?[/quote]
R&D = Rabbits & Donkeys
Duh!
I'm not a Perodua basher or something but I went to the Toyota Passo Sette and Daihatsu Boon Luminas exhibition in Japan. Clearly it was lack of space inside compared to Exora. There was almost no space in the back. and the 3rd row also small and only suitable for kids. Just a bit longer than Passo and Boon and there you have a sit plus some place for you to put your things.
And another important thing is the 3rd row is not a proper place to sit. It was just a 'papan' that is covered with softy mat.
In Japan it was also advertised that this car is not for family to go around with, but for mother who needs car to go and take children to school or to go shopping. You also have to notice here that it is rare for a Japanese to have big families. Children which I said mostly refers to 2.
This car maybe not suitable enough for Malaysian. You can imagine to use this MPV almost the same usage as Myvi. If you want to Balik Kampung with four adults maybe it is good but not for 6 people to go to air terjun vacation.
Maybe we can see some differences in Malaysian version but when we looked at the time when this Sette and Luminas were launched and the time P2 want to launch it in Malaysia, it is almost impossible to change that much. And why they need to change when they can just copy and paste?
However I noticed that there was big differences between Sette and Luminas in the interior and exterior design. Toyota version is 2 or 3 times better than the Daihatsu's.
Okay. Just a small review from me and my experience.
[quote comment="231668"][quote comment="231657"][quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.[/quote]
I dare to say all these because I'm making a comparison on both vehicles, mainly on quality control. Maybe you could scrutinize more on built quality of Proton compared to any Perodua. RND is important yes, the rest of the world cares for it, and I admit I did over speak, but how on earth can Proton put a 1.6 engine into a car which weighs a ton and a half? I tested the car and sadly, it's awfully underpowered.[/quote]
If you say that, then how can toyota put a 1.3 engine into the avanza. don't just simply bash proton because its malaysian, think first.
Nice review gunblade.
I would definitely not call this D46T an MPV. Its more like a car. An MPV should be able to sit at least 6 people properly.
the third row maybe not for human… animals or stuffs maybe…
what is the car 20+ years still only rebadge cars?
it is own PERODUA!!!!
syabas
66k ?
i rather have exora man…
stupid perodua trying to beat proton…
eat dust…
and to all proton basher , get a life !
I think this car shouldn't be called an MPV…they should call it the MyVi Wagon…a stationwagon with extra seats…
test.. pity perodua.. try to do as what other car manufacturers do..
this not not a new car.. all reliability test/road test have been done by toyota/daihatsu… you just change the bumper design oso test road test???
prrrfthhhh
if anybody is wondering why P2 need to do road testing:here is the answer
yes,T tested the car already,but P2 needs to test the car again because they simply want test the product that rolls out form their factory.They have to see weither the product is up to par.T factory have different spec(i mean the factory itself,not the car) while P2 may have another spec,so the quality and built of product from each factory may differ.Testing is a must.
it means that P2 also are trying their best to produce reliable car for customer.
i just love to see both national carmaker go against one another.a war that gives us(customer) advantages!
those who think the interior and features would be same as passo sette.. i believe ,they will regret..
toyota Indonesia oso will be aseembled this MPV for ASEAN market..and definately it will be downgraded version of passo sette.. same goes to perodua MPV..
so the things that will be removed /cut cost are
1. Gate shift gear… may changed to conventional auto gear .
2. Dashmounted shift gear.. may changed to normal auto gear like avanza (in between driver an passenger seat)
3. seat fabric.. downgraded to ASEAN level (prrrft)
4. some headrest will be removed..
if it hit rm60k price tag, its a rip off!!
definately.. P2 MPV hardly beat exora features.. becoz
During development.. P1 RND did benchmarking not only avanza, livina.. but oso passo sette ( passo sette oredy in market since last year) .. so they know the strenght and weaknesses of passo sette..
therefore.. i believe P2 wudnt reveal the interior and features too much until launching time
as much as possible they try to convince malaysian.. thier features are same sette..yet malaysian know oredi.. this is downgraded version as what Toyota Indonesia does for sette to enter ASEAN market ..
I went to the Proton showroom to see this exora.I dont know what the hell is all the hype about the exora.Interior was shit.Quality was terrible.Its just the hype that this is m'siaz first MPV that make blind Proton supporters praise and say all the good things about Exora.In actual fact,its just another piece of rubbish from Proton.
You can also see the fittings not properly done.Gaps were aplenty.
And power was so so onie.So much for campro and 125 hp.Total crap.
A Proton will always be a Proton,to all those kononnya support Proton,pls get a life.You all fools still want to get cheated by these cronies linked to Proton again?
The Proton CEO might have given a "GREAT" speech.But pls dont be fooled by all this "PROTON SO FAR HAS RECEIVED 2500 BOOKINGS" kinda marketing stategy shit lah.
Even honda city priced at RM 89900 got more bookings than this piece of bull.
Cant wait for this D46T.Yeah,I am a true Proton basher,you got a problem with it?
value for money. I beleive that produa engine DVVT more better from proton (campro). Hope his competition can make a good value for custumer.
[quote comment="231740"]I went to the Proton showroom to see this exora.I dont know what the hell is all the hype about the exora.Interior was shit.Quality was terrible.Its just the hype that this is m'siaz first MPV that make blind Proton supporters praise and say all the good things about Exora.In actual fact,its just another piece of rubbish from Proton.
You can also see the fittings not properly done.Gaps were aplenty.
And power was so so onie.So much for campro and 125 hp.Total crap.
A Proton will always be a Proton,to all those kononnya support Proton,pls get a life.You all fools still want to get cheated by these cronies linked to Proton again?
The Proton CEO might have given a "GREAT" speech.But pls dont be fooled by all this "PROTON SO FAR HAS RECEIVED 2500 BOOKINGS" kinda marketing stategy shit lah.
Even honda city priced at RM 89900 got more bookings than this piece of bull.
Cant wait for this D46T.Yeah,I am a true Proton basher,you got a problem with it?[/quote]
Other people have been singing praises for the new Exora. Are you saying they're stupid? Even Paul Tan believes the car to be decent enough. Surely you've been blinded by sheer hatred, that's why you can't see anything….
agreed on maserati especially that cronies linked thing
its really killing proton, kesian dsz, jadi mainan politik kroni
[quote comment="231740"]I went to the Proton showroom to see this exora.I dont know what the hell is all the hype about the exora.Interior was shit.Quality was terrible.Its just the hype that this is m'siaz first MPV that make blind Proton supporters praise and say all the good things about Exora.In actual fact,its just another piece of rubbish from Proton.
You can also see the fittings not properly done.Gaps were aplenty.
And power was so so onie.So much for campro and 125 hp.Total crap.
A Proton will always be a Proton,to all those kononnya support Proton,pls get a life.You all fools still want to get cheated by these cronies linked to Proton again?
The Proton CEO might have given a "GREAT" speech.But pls dont be fooled by all this "PROTON SO FAR HAS RECEIVED 2500 BOOKINGS" kinda marketing stategy shit lah.
Even honda city priced at RM 89900 got more bookings than this piece of bull.
Cant wait for this D46T.Yeah,I am a true Proton basher,you got a problem with it?[/quote]
lol….
why so emo???
if smeone wanna buy a car, did they use ur money?????
maserati konon…….
pegi jugak tgk proton tuh….
len kali p naza italia sudey…..
Better launch its now bebeh! If not P1 Exora will rule the road!
chaku said,
April 19, 2009 @ 3:17 pm · Reply with quote
if anybody is wondering why P2 need to do road testing:here is the answer
yes,T tested the car already,but P2 needs to test the car again because they simply want test the product that rolls out form their factory.They have to see weither the product is up to par.T factory have different spec(i mean the factory itself,not the car) while P2 may have another spec,so the quality and built of product from each factory may differ.Testing is a must.
it means that P2 also are trying their best to produce reliable car for customer.
i just love to see both national carmaker go against one another.a war that gives us(customer) advantages!
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haha… but p2 never do it on thier previous model.. myvi for example .. why??
even toyota Thai or toyota indon oso never do so…
pls admit.. they are just a car assembler.. you change the bumper .. it does nor require such test road la..
pity perodua
bongok nak mampus Maserati nih.. kalau tak suka tak payah kutuk. nak komen yg membina bukan yg takder makna. bodoh
gunblade said,
April 19, 2009 @ 2:15 pm · Reply with quote
I’m not a Perodua basher or something but I went to the Toyota Passo Sette and Daihatsu Boon Luminas exhibition in Japan. Clearly it was lack of space inside compared to Exora. There was almost no space in the back. and the 3rd row also small and only suitable for kids. Just a bit longer than Passo and Boon and there you have a sit plus some place for you to put your things.
And another important thing is the 3rd row is not a proper place to sit. It was just a ‘papan’ that is covered with softy mat.
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i agree w u bro.. recently i was in Japn for business trip.. had chance takling w my japanese fellows about "just launched" passo sette.. u know what.. noboday knows and they don't even bother about it…this mpv not for men…
target for ladies, and mama as on their CM
the problem is…
Indonesia of Indonesia also will assemble this MPV.. for ASEAN market.. so why we need overpriced P2 to assemble it too???
can by real T brand fron Indonesia.. like we import avanza from Indon
[quote comment="231673"]maybe proton can ask government to stop this perodua mpv
or delaying its launching to next year,
only after proton recoup its investment than only allow peroduo to sale its mpv, if not exora WILL HIT badly by the peroduo mpv.
i dont think chery eastar or chana mpv is a threat to proton,
exora is better choice than avanza and cheaper than nissan livina.[/quote]
Pity for a blind Proton sympathiser. If Proton have been improving like the Korean after all this decades, they shouldn't be afraid of competition. Unfortunately, in their best year (market monopoly) Proton is like the biggest buffet dinner for lot of their cronies to get fat & in the end forgot about self-improvement. Hence, we have people like "Tamannegara" trying to protect Proton. If u have self-esteem & real strength (not political backed), you will be ashamed of yourself for making this statement.
Chery Eastar 2.4 liter almost same price with Exora…..sweating…
is it just the gimmick to put the exora's potential buyers hold their buys??
looking from the comments above it seems that p1 will struggled to gain trust from malaysia..it is very understandable..public perception is hard to change..
just like the china and taiwan products..no matter what it still get inferior perception compared to japs or european..
the answer??
merge P1..haha..the instant branding to gain good acceptance & change people perception..
Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
Well,its because ppl pay you to say good things about the car.This is all psychology dude.Proton is actually playing with ppls mindset.The same way BN plays with the majority of Sarawak's kampung community mindset.
later if you guys ask P2 salesman.. where is crash test result???
no we dont perform crash test.. u can refer Japan passo sette NCAP result.. same as perodua MPV lorrr
we only can perform " jalan2 road test after changing the new bumper" to get more spyshot
prrrfthhh
Proton
——-
Savvy–>Saga–>Exora (Strong chassis start from savvy, a lot improvement)
Perodua
——–
kancil/ Viva –> Myvi –> P2 MPV (Strong enough? if the accident occurs.. the whole family dead!!)
If P2 can PROVE that it is safe, HANDLING like Neo, maybe malaysian can accept it…
If they cannot do it… it will ends like NAUTICA @ NAUGHTY CAR !!
for me..i prefer exora.. at least i confident to bring my whole family in the mpv for a long journey…
[quote comment="231717"]I'm not a Perodua basher or something but I went to the Toyota Passo Sette and Daihatsu Boon Luminas exhibition in Japan. Clearly it was lack of space inside compared to Exora. There was almost no space in the back. and the 3rd row also small and only suitable for kids. Just a bit longer than Passo and Boon and there you have a sit plus some place for you to put your things.
And another important thing is the 3rd row is not a proper place to sit. It was just a 'papan' that is covered with softy mat.
In Japan it was also advertised that this car is not for family to go around with, but for mother who needs car to go and take children to school or to go shopping. You also have to notice here that it is rare for a Japanese to have big families. Children which I said mostly refers to 2.
This car maybe not suitable enough for Malaysian. You can imagine to use this MPV almost the same usage as Myvi. If you want to Balik Kampung with four adults maybe it is good but not for 6 people to go to air terjun vacation.
Maybe we can see some differences in Malaysian version but when we looked at the time when this Sette and Luminas were launched and the time P2 want to launch it in Malaysia, it is almost impossible to change that much. And why they need to change when they can just copy and paste?
However I noticed that there was big differences between Sette and Luminas in the interior and exterior design. Toyota version is 2 or 3 times better than the Daihatsu's.
Okay. Just a small review from me and my experience.[/quote]
That is one key issue actually. This time around, Proton may actually win and win big. Remember why Savvy sales fell after Myvi. Size does matter! lso when you want to carry 5 people, you want to have space for their luggage for balik kampung, not having to put the luggage at the lap.
It will be interesting to see the sales of both mvpv's 1 year from now
[quote comment="231763"]the problem is…
Indonesia of Indonesia also will assemble this MPV.. for ASEAN market.. so why we need overpriced P2 to assemble it too???
can by real T brand fron Indonesia.. like we import avanza from Indon[/quote]
P2 assembled car here so that rakyat Malaysia will have job. It's simple as that. You need to have your brain checked. It's might not be ok.
it looks like "stretch myvi"…
Exora is still da best buy!!!
somemore.. exora 3rd row seat is splited 50:50..
means if u need extra luggage space.. u can fold down half and half for passenger… compared to p2 MPV 3rd row seat tiny like meja makan.. . luggage space.. or sacrify your 3rd row seat
[quote comment="231770"]Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
Well,its because ppl pay you to say good things about the car.This is all psychology dude.Proton is actually playing with ppls mindset.The same way BN plays with the majority of Sarawak's kampung community mindset.[/quote]
If that your reasoning, so you are the so called marketing manager, paid by the P2 to wall up the exora and at the same time..praise the sette eh luminas eh d46t mpv…pity you, you may loose a client soon, and maserati my friends..ask your client dont need to cover that mpv lah..since all people can easily view sette/luminas..
and yes…i'm a P2 basher..so what
Not everybody praise about Proton get paid as their sincere comments came from within. Otherwise, I'm richer now as l got paid for everything positive comment l (we) made. Such a blatant accuse!
I love p2 as my 6 six years ownership of Kelisa was so smooth- only my AC duct was broken after a year or so and in fifth year, power window switch broke down (due to age as well as my baby love to play with the switch).
Having said that, l must admit Jeremy Clarkson's infamous grudge over Perodua-safety. This department Proton from Savvy score very well. When l was in Singapore, one makcik got accident (her Savvy rolls like turtle) but she experience no scratches nor bruises. I can't imagine if the car is Kelisa or Viva, let alone dark age Kancil. BTW, l guess MyVi maybe can survive.
I had no problem with rebadge engineering as long as the company can sell their product BUT treatment maybe should be unique to the true carmaker, isn't?
I prefer a Toyota Axio though rename as Perodua Axio. We should grateful. We, mature Malaysian should learn how to be a Korean- support their industries; car, phone, tv, pc, electronics, food etc
why do they even disguise it?
its just a rebadged toyota every angle you see it.
Rebadging is so last 2 decades ago.
[quote comment="231697"]why the cameraman so scared to take picture so far from that car?
By right he should go nearer not spying mah…..[/quote]
You are rightlar… maybe the cameraman is someone from P2? LOL
bla bla bla bla…….
at last the political issue has been linked…
da~~
thats why u over reacted with proton….
so find another blog……
this is not political blog……
darn u maserati…….
[quote comment="231784"] We, mature Malaysian should learn how to be a Korean- support their industries; car, phone, tv, pc, electronics, food etc[/quote]
The truth is, Malaysians will never change. You can make a Proton with BMW quality and people will still say, "eh, Proton, it'll suck"
alansmithz said,
April 19, 2009 @ 7:07 pm · Reply with quote
P2 assembled car here so that rakyat Malaysia will have job. It’s simple as that. You need to have your brain checked. It’s might not be ok.
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prrrfthhh to create a job???
wehh malaysian are smart oredi.. we want decent and cheap car.. if we can import this passo sette made in Indonesia at cheaper price.. why we need P2 ?? (look at Avanza made in Indonesia and made in perodua.. no diff.
Big bro in Japan wants Toyota Indonesia to assemble this car for ASEAN (means malaysia market as well).. but just to give P2 business.. they allow P2 to assemble it too.. pity them like a begger..prrrfthh
[quote comment="231787"][quote comment="231697"]why the cameraman so scared to take picture so far from that car?
By right he should go nearer not spying mah…..[/quote]
You are rightlar… maybe the cameraman is someone from P2? LOL[/quote]
Just to make it clear. The reason why i didn't get near or park next to it because i just want to get a video showing comparison of size to other vehicles, so shooting it from the opposite parking is better. I could have approach the guys near the car but I didn't. I don't want to spend too much time on the car because I am rushing to my working site in Tronoh. As soon as the car left the area, I started the engine and rushed out from the rest area.
Nope. I am not working in the automotive industry nor I am trying to shift people attention from exora.
maserati…
r u sure you a manager back when ur in a marketing firm? to be a manager u need to be a matured adult. you sound like an angry teenager…. from my observation, only teenager like to use "impressive" nicknames like maserati and audi. maybe u audis friend. remember him?
if u really hate proton, why u even bother to go to proton showroom for to take a look at exora? i really doubt u ever do that.
Wow, the car is much bigger than I thought. Like 'Toyota Wish'. Hmmm….it's going to be a tough competition tho. Can't wait to get more info on the new Perodua MPV.
Competitors will need to know what their competitor is doing.. That why going to examinate exora is a normal thing to do if want to do comparison.
Just like porsche puschase the GT-R to test. Guys, i think is better you all go test livina, avanza & rondo and back to exora and you will know what is called underpowered. I tested the exora yesterday is not so good in term of of power : weight ratio…
Sorry guys, but i will wait for Perodua MPV out first test drive and later only plan to buy. Besides that, i am sure that this MPV will sure out sell Proton MPV.. Just my hitch.. Even Perodua sucks but still sell more than Proton.. Why? Ask the buyers are they making a wrong choice?
u can bash bt keep ur brains intact la….! and he probably drives a nissan 120y !
[quote comment="231770"]Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
Well,its because ppl pay you to say good things about the car.This is all psychology dude.Proton is actually playing with ppls mindset.The same way BN plays with the majority of Sarawak's kampung community mindset.[/quote]
wow!!! u know my job! HAHAHAH
so you think proton use tax payer money…..so thats why i choose EXORA..to give back the people 'their' money…
i just went to Cherry showroom (IOI)….the only thing impressed me is the 2.4l engine….sat on the 3rd row…my head touch the roof..exora better..and guess what….the aircond blower is below the seat!!!! then exora better…
HAHAHAH i'm the proton employee who get paid to buy our own product….
interm of space,ride quality handling and features.. i believe exora way better…
why???
becoz proton oredi did benchmaking and study passo sette ( which was released last year).. so P1 knows the strenght and weakness of sette..
Now p1 give the features that ppl wudnt get from this p2 MPV… the only one that they can't do is the engine performance..
P2 oso knows.. they can't beat exora interm of space ,safety and features (gated and dashboarg mounted shift gear, individual AC at 3rd row seat, luggage space, BCM, etc… the only thing that P2 mpv can beat exora is engine performance… .. so i reckon.. P2 will use this issue (engine performance) and cover the weakness of space and features..
so up to malaysian to choose.. and from my observation.. for malaysian
SIZE DOES MATTER… MPV is vehicle to bring your family A to B destination only
They p2 did a road test for :
1 – What's MORE we (p2) can save .
2 – What's MORE can we STRIPS OUT from 'the original version'.
3 – What's MORE can we SLASH out from 'the original version'.
4 – What's MORE can we THICK IT shape from 'the original version'.
5 – What's MORE can we REMOVE OUT from 'the original version'.
And they will use their same script of mythology..
that's called = 'toyota mofo legend";
1 – Build qualtiy (even thought, they just slashed out many thing!)
2 – Resale value high. Hahahaha
3 – Fuel save. Yes.. save but undepower
4 – Safe with airbag. ( but their body are thinner than milo tin – the structure are totally out! (Check out myvi excident by your self! )
5 – Toyota. (Some people say it GOD! = everything toyota)
They're just absolute superliar!
Rubbish and people killer MPV in made!
[quote comment="231792"][quote comment="231787"][quote comment="231697"]why the cameraman so scared to take picture so far from that car?
By right he should go nearer not spying mah…..[/quote]
You are rightlar… maybe the cameraman is someone from P2? LOL[/quote]
Just to make it clear. The reason why i didn't get near or park next to it because i just want to get a video showing comparison of size to other vehicles, so shooting it from the opposite parking is better. I could have approach the guys near the car but I didn't. I don't want to spend too much time on the car because I am rushing to my working site in Tronoh. As soon as the car left the area, I started the engine and rushed out from the rest area.
Nope. I am not working in the automotive industry nor I am trying to shift people attention from exora.[/quote]
ur effort to take the shot r appreciated… it could provide addequate infomative information (to me) as it pass by the viva… u know the different…
well.. wether p1 or p2… only malaysian will support it… the choice is ur's…
[quote comment="231770"]Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
Well,its because ppl pay you to say good things about the car.This is all psychology dude.Proton is actually playing with ppls mindset.The same way BN plays with the majority of Sarawak's kampung community mindset.[/quote]
you was a manager in marketing firm.. ooo fak.. what product did you sold?.. shit, so the products must sold because you put your staff to cry praise about it.. or is it sold? coz could be after even you put your office cleaner to talk about your product also it didnt sell well.. that's y you now was a manager..
serious beb.. what product did you sell?
[quote comment="231803"]Even Perodua sucks but still sell more than Proton.. Why? Ask the buyers are they making a wrong choice?[/quote]
It's all about the badge. The badge factor is stronger than any rational thought. P2 got the halo effect of the T badge working for it, although Japanese cars aren't always reliable. P1 can do anything and everything to build up their rep, but in they eyes of Malaysian, nothing is better than a P2 with T backup…
[quote comment="231757"]chaku said,
April 19, 2009 @ 3:17 pm · Reply with quote
if anybody is wondering why P2 need to do road testing:here is the answer
yes,T tested the car already,but P2 needs to test the car again because they simply want test the product that rolls out form their factory.They have to see weither the product is up to par.T factory have different spec(i mean the factory itself,not the car) while P2 may have another spec,so the quality and built of product from each factory may differ.Testing is a must.
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haha… but p2 never do it on thier previous model.. myvi for example .. why??
even toyota Thai or toyota indon oso never do so…
pls admit.. they are just a car assembler.. you change the bumper .. it does nor require such test road la..
pity perodua[/quote]
a localised car la.. common.. if u copy a product, then ask your 'local' vendor to fabricate, sure u want to test it also right?
Oh, this model will kill Avanza with perfection,
but it will not kill Exora..
The strength of Exora is space, the strength of D46T is price.
Avanza lack both of these. Grand Livina's strength is 1.8 engine.
Toyota need to produce Avanza replacement soon if want to compete with this two hot sellers! Grand Livina still has it followers, because of the typical Malaysian with engine displacement.
P2 MPV and Exora cannot be compared as apple to apple, by common sense, they are designed to target different market. The M line Exora has little difference from H line apart from trivial and cosmetic stuff, so P2 MPV is really under pressure from the M line Exora, a bigger car, and size is important for MPV buyers. It has to sell around 50K to differentiate itself. I think it will be a mistake for P2 is to price it at 66K. The Toyota connection may not be enough this time. Anyway it is good to have competition.
[quote comment="231790"][quote comment="231784"] We, mature Malaysian should learn how to be a Korean- support their industries; car, phone, tv, pc, electronics, food etc[/quote]
The truth is, Malaysians will never change. You can make a Proton with BMW quality and people will still say, "eh, Proton, it'll suck"[/quote]
you sure can make with BMW quality? how much need to pay? "eh, Proton, money s*cker"
(Open comment from me so who ever mistaken me m very sory)
F**kin Holy cow dunk!! is Perodua playing a hide and seek game with Proton??!!
helo Perodua come up something by urself, salute for Exora.The Perodua MPV i hope lots of them seen the mpv, Compare to Exora, Perodua Wins by the look. Exora, u have to be bold, or bold and sharp, nt Sharp..
and Exora still top with their tech and innovation. Wat perodua gonna use as the heart? 1.3 DVVT? dang cant wait to see it…lets FIGHT!!
we can see now the trend is moving toward p2 basher.. p1 used to have lots of basher (still do) but we can see p1 is improving after kena hentam again and again.. this time, we need to focus on our effort to get p2 to improve themselves.. we dont want a stripped jap car from p2.. it not sexy. we want what we get here as good as whats in jap, but perhaps with more local contents so to help local economy… come on p2, we want jap tech with european quality but malaysian price.
[quote comment="231770"]Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
Well,its because ppl pay you to say good things about the car.This is all psychology dude.Proton is actually playing with ppls mindset.The same way BN plays with the majority of Sarawak's kampung community mindset.[/quote]
So bro, you also have done the shit, cheating other people about your own company's product.
I wonder how much proton paid PT, Chips & other jounalists? Must be part of the development costs for this MPV.
PT must be working with Proton as Director of Public Relation.oh ya, I'm also employed by Proton to write about good things on Evora.
let's look at this from another way:
perhaps they're road testing on a 1.3 engine? the one in myvi. since, to compete with exora, p2's only way is to drastically reduce ther pricing. RM 60k tops.
other than that, they're using spyshots to swerve prospective ppl away from exora. obviously spyshots is a great and effective marketing strategy not unlike how spyshots of exora has been generating hype.
just my thoughts..
[quote comment="231740"]I went to the Proton showroom to see this exora.I dont know what the hell is all the hype about the exora.Interior was shit.Quality was terrible.Its just the hype that this is m'siaz first MPV that make blind Proton supporters praise and say all the good things about Exora.In actual fact,its just another piece of rubbish from Proton.
You can also see the fittings not properly done.Gaps were aplenty.
And power was so so onie.So much for campro and 125 hp.Total crap.
A Proton will always be a Proton,to all those kononnya support Proton,pls get a life.You all fools still want to get cheated by these cronies linked to Proton again?
The Proton CEO might have given a "GREAT" speech.But pls dont be fooled by all this "PROTON SO FAR HAS RECEIVED 2500 BOOKINGS" kinda marketing stategy shit lah.
Even honda city priced at RM 89900 got more bookings than this piece of bull.
Cant wait for this D46T.Yeah,I am a true Proton basher,you got a problem with it?[/quote]
We have no problem with no-brain-basher like you. But please make a statement support with fact and figure. Proton received more than cumulative 2000 bookings before it's officially launching. We at Proton have the ordering notification including all demographic detail, something that you blindly bash. And by this time, Proton already received more than 5k bookings. Yes you are the crazy hard core Jap fans, that's why you spreading some misleading info. Please give face to Proton as well, Jap automaker also learn from the mistakes, practice and improve for perfection. Another thing, you can ask any Proton vendor if still have any 'anak emas' of cronies alongside Proton businesses, we won't give face anymore to the stubborn vendors. Just to ensure stringent quality parts enter Proton. BTW, I wonder if are you the P2/ T/ H mercenaries? Hmmm…
dzul said,
April 19, 2009 @ 8:45 pm · Reply with quote
a localised car la.. common.. if u copy a product, then ask your ‘local’ vendor to fabricate, sure u want to test it also right?
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so they will do CRASH TEST as well???
prrrfthhhh
Actually both of need not to arguing,if wanted just argued to the gov, the gov is too protective to the national car,as i mean the NAP need to revise by these April, who wanted to buy car just wait until the policy to announced moreover just Malaysian will but these National car, if export just go down to the drain, moreover u can buy a Honda or Toyota anytime once the Free Trade is open, perhaps u just need hope on the policy, see weather our PM just make an empty talk to rakyat over the OECD issues. If bullshit u know wat to do for the next goal.
[quote comment="231840"]other than that, they're using spyshots to swerve prospective ppl away from exora. obviously spyshots is a great and effective marketing strategy not unlike how spyshots of exora has been generating hype.
[/quote]
Yep, and I'll bet P2 will be paying people to spread good words about the P2 MPV and bash the Exora, just like wat 'Marketing Manager' Maserati have implied.
Proton R&D = Researched Development
Perodua R&D = Received & Deliver
its all about branding and perception.
what we need is a car.
what we want is the brand.
[quote comment="231836"][quote comment="231770"]Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
Well,its because ppl pay you to say good things about the car.This is all psychology dude.Proton is actually playing with ppls mindset.The same way BN plays with the majority of Sarawak's kampung community mindset.[/quote]
So bro, you also have done the shit, cheating other people about your own company's product.
I wonder how much proton paid PT, Chips & other jounalists? Must be part of the development costs for this MPV.
PT must be working with Proton as Director of Public Relation.oh ya, I'm also employed by Proton to write about good things on Evora.[/quote]
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huh.. again….
whenever someone said the good thing about proton, 'they' said proton paid that person…
whenever someone bash proton, 'they' said not biased…
Huh…. tired with this typical Malaysian… How can our country become 1st class country… cannot support our own product..cannot support our own achievement…
I still think that this Produa MPV will ends like Nautica… even the price cheaper, but the chassis seems not too good to in handling.. just my 20cent..
Littlefire said,
April 19, 2009 @ 8:23 pm · Reply with quote
Competitors will need to know what their competitor is doing.. That why going to examinate exora is a normal thing to do if want to do comparison.
Just like porsche puschase the GT-R to test. Guys, i think is better you all go test livina, avanza & rondo and back to exora and you will know what is called underpowered. I tested the exora yesterday is not so good in term of of power : weight ratio…
Sorry guys, but i will wait for Perodua MPV out first test drive and later only plan to buy. Besides that, i am sure that this MPV will sure out sell Proton MPV.. Just my hitch.. Even Perodua sucks but still sell more than Proton.. Why? Ask the buyers are they making a wrong choice?
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sorry bro… i disagree.. P2still doesn't have strong brand name yet.. unlike T or H brand… look at P2 nautica… eventho built in Japan (japan quality) yet use P2 logo.. the product can't sell..
they are strong ,not becoz they are really strong, but becoz their competitors are weak..p1 develope exora and benchmark with this "downgraded passo sette".. so this time.. i believe p1 strategy is working… they know what other competitors (P2 esp) can/can't provide
I pray both P1 and P2 or even Naza Inokom Modenas can sell their products locally and internationally.
Everyone has their own market, l believe. BUT, one thing l don't like to see from Perodua, please bring this new (or contemporary vehicles) instead of outgoing vehicle like VIVA (in Japan our Viva was retired about last three years); Kenari (last two generation obsoleted already in the Japan market, c.2001).
guys..
1st picture shows that it is just a BIG SCALE VIVA !!
VIVA?
–handling like HELL !!
–if involved in accident, sure patah, if not patah sure die.. uhhhh.. hidup hanya sekali mah… duit boleh cari… but nyawa sekali je mah…
I hate this BIG ViVA!!!
some ppl say.. P2 conduct road test becoz P2 needs to test the car again because they simply want test the product that rolls out form their factory.They have to see weither the product is up to par.T factory have different spec(i mean the factory itself,not the car) while P2 may have another spec,so the quality and built of product from each factory may differ.Testing is a must…bla2
TESTING IS A MUST..hahaha
i tot they got standard Toyota QC mehhh prrfthh
SO P2 OSO WILL CONDUCT CRASH TEST too???
pls answer this
prrrfthhh
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.
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i tot p2 want to do this to compete with Avanza..hehe…
Exora(Prestige & Prime) same par with Stream, Wish, Odessey.. but Perodua MpV wan to compete with who? Surely ADVANZA..
He, He, He. !
P2 is only good at designing plastic bumpers & overdone spoilers..(and also at bashing P1 blindly)
[quote comment="231694"]apsal nak gaduh2. Both proton and perodua were malaysian's car. If u dun like p1 so buy p2. If u dun like both. Go buy that damn expensive japs or euro mpv. One more thing, how fast u want a go in an mpv. How fast can u go on malaysian hway?[/quote]
correction…perodua is not malaysian's la…..!
i dare to say.. to lower the price at below 65k.. there s must be alot of features will be taken out from ori sette..
No more dashboard mounted shift gear, downgrade the suspension setup,
sette got 6 airbag.. P2 will bring only 2 airbag.. and option with NO AIRBAG for low end..
anyway to get the idea of final P2 MPV.. just wait n see the "downgraded version of sette for ASEAN market" which will be released by Toyota/DMC Indonesia soon..
Paultan and the rest.. do u guys have any ideas.??. when toyota Indonesia will launch this MPV???
[quote comment="231850"]Proton R&D = Researched Development
Perodua R&D = Received & Deliver[/quote]
exactly..!!!!!
The war has begun!!!
I know that this is MPV war topic, but what I've learn is that, I wont be buying any item from nickname maserati company since he is the marketing manager.
next, IMHO, the road test which is done by perodua is to test the car itself, even if the car already on the road, the tooling and also chasis which is assembled by p2 factory still need to retest, rather than mere assembler becoz they received the parts and assemble, p2 still have to source some of its item source locally and please give them a chance to do their road testing.
its also good for them marketing wise, to stop one of the potential MPV buyer from buying Exora, now this is a true marketing strategy, u will know this if u learn marketing in kindergarten… ok? don tipu-tipu, a booking receive is recorded and passed on to MAA as part of automotive research study…
a potential buyer will hold their money and wait for the launching of P2 MPV and then they will figure where to put their money is… it is up the them really, why must bash.. instead of bash.. let us let them know what is need to be check and what is the customer right of a car… with 5 years warranty, i don see any problem… maybe p2 will top this with 5 years warranty with unlimited mileage… its marketing strategy… rite maserati… btw ppl also call me bently.. i wonder why…
they just try to trick some their fanboy,
that this car also built from scratch in malaysia..
even best story one here as I heard before (from 1 overfanaticp2fan)..
"My uncle work at p2. they said, myvi build and designed by p2…
but because p2 not have money RM1Billion…
they give daihatsu to built it'
something like that..
So!.. Get you fact friends..
This sette was totally designed and built by malaysian!
but p2 not have RM2billion, later they will sold to toyota tooo..
hahahahaha
KerelBort said,
April 19, 2009 @ 10:12 pm · Reply with quote
The war has begun!!!
next, IMHO, the road test which is done by perodua is to test the car itself, even if the car already on the road, the tooling and also chasis which is assembled by p2 factory still need to retest, rather than mere assembler becoz they received the parts and assemble, p2 still have to source some of its item source locally and please give them a chance to do their road testing
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and i ask again..
such road test never been done on their previous cars (myvi exp)
and my question.. do they conduct CRASH TEST as well?? since assembled chasis, local parts need to be tested rite???
haha..or, toyota gave p2 to test it to save RM2billion
after changing bumper design and emblem.. toyota ask P2 to conduct ROAD TEST.. so that they can save RM2 billion…
prrrfthhhh
[quote comment="231740"]I went to the Proton showroom to see this exora.I dont know what the hell is all the hype about the exora.Interior was shit.Quality was terrible.Its just the hype that this is m'siaz first MPV that make blind Proton supporters praise and say all the good things about Exora.In actual fact,its just another piece of rubbish from Proton.
You can also see the fittings not properly done.Gaps were aplenty.
And power was so so onie.So much for campro and 125 hp.Total crap.
A Proton will always be a Proton,to all those kononnya support Proton,pls get a life.You all fools still want to get cheated by these cronies linked to Proton again?
The Proton CEO might have given a "GREAT" speech.But pls dont be fooled by all this "PROTON SO FAR HAS RECEIVED 2500 BOOKINGS" kinda marketing stategy shit lah.
Even honda city priced at RM 89900 got more bookings than this piece of bull.
Cant wait for this D46T.Yeah,I am a true Proton basher,you got a problem with it?[/quote]
Hello boy…people bought cars for a purpose. People buy the H City because probarly they want to go to work, thats why though it's expensive many people bought it. How many people would buy an MPV just to go to work?
Like me, I don't have any children yet. Should I bought this MPV? Maybe yes, maybe no.
I went to the showroom two days ago. The Exora has that good-looking, i'd seen the rear view, quite decent(Its a MPV, not a sedan). The interior is nice and well design. The dashboard is simple yet practical(it's reachable) Though the Mitsubishi Grandis dashboard is better, but simple is better with less buttons.
To put in a nutshell, buy things if U need something that is suiting your needs.
One more thing, how many people would buy the MPV before looking at it in real flesh? Give THE FACTS RIGHT MAN! DON'T DO HYPOTHESIS IF U DON'T WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. HAVE U TEST DRIVE IT WITH SEVEN ADULT IN IT? IF YOU HAVE LOAD THE VIDS HERE AND GIVE THE RESULT! I DARE U.SHOW US HOW U ACCELARATE, GIVE ALSO THE SOUNDS OF THE ENGINE WHILE DRIVING, GIVE ALSO THE RESULT OF THE FC IN DIFFERENT DISTANCES, MAKE A SURVEY AT LEAST 10 PERSONS ON DIFFERENT ROADS, TAKE A CRASH TEST, CRASH IT YOURSELF,FEEL THE AIRBAGS, AND AFTER U HAVE FINISH, POST IT HERE. WHAT SAY U?
Ka-chow!
First I can't understand what kind of MPV can Toyota make that goes for RM 66k. It's having its 2nd worse year and trying hard to make ends meet. Then I saw this. Butt transplant for a Myvi. Its not so much of a new platform but more like the extended version. Or dare we say a Myvi Station Wagon? No, you don't get a new model. It's the same one, except for more metal. With Avanza tailgate?
But one thing for sure. If that centre console is retained. Its really gonna suck. Leaf spring or not.
forgot all the bla bla bla features of exora, if no QUALITY in p1 car, it is just a rubbish…get a cheap toyota better…less sakit jantung…
This is going to be another strong product by Perodua/Toyota.
A likely successor to the Avanza I suppose. However, I'd rather call it a 4+2, since the centre row splits 50/50, and however has the luck to sit smack in the middle will have his lower back pressed against the rotating mechanism of the seat.
3rd row seating is not bad honestly. At least for average Malaysians 5 footers.
Engine power is so-so, but personally the low end torque should be better, ratio wise, than the Exora.
I also believe it will be equipped with EPS. Stability, as always, will be marginal. But then I believe the market for MPV do not look for these 'advanced' features. As long as the packaging is right, FE is kind to the pocket, spare parts easy to find, financing is easy, and relatively spacious, it should sell.
Competition is always good! Bring it on P2!
Hungga said,
April 19, 2009 @ 10:05 pm · Reply with quote
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i tot p2 want to do this to compete with Avanza..hehe…
Exora(Prestige & Prime) same par with Stream, Wish, Odessey.. but Perodua MpV wan to compete with who? Surely ADVANZA..
He, He, He. !
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P2 will compete with NISSAN i guess.. (both are Japanese maker maaaaaa)
NISSAN vannette
prrrfthhh
myvi have big butt!!! view side. cute mpy.
[quote comment="231770"]Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
.[/quote]
no wonder you used to be a marketing manager.
proton only launched the auto version of exora and keep the manual version..i believe this is a marketing strategy by proton…
before (or on the date, or after) perodua launch this mpv at RM66k or lower..Proton will announce the manual version at 65k (M-line)…then maybe another L-line or exora lite, or B-line..at RM59,998..
smart proton….hahha..
this MPV will somewat kill avanza..even though avanza is bigger, but the price is higher, its handling not as good and it's dated..maybe perodua should rebadge avanza as theirs, and this upcoming MPV will be using toyota's badge..so avanza can sell cheaper and this mpv can sell higher price..
j said,
April 19, 2009 @ 10:51 pm · Reply with quote
forgot all the bla bla bla features of exora, if no QUALITY in p1 car, it is just a rubbish…get a cheap toyota better…less sakit jantung…
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IF????
then forget about PASSO sette features IF actual p2 MPV will cut 50% of the features
yes get a cheap toyota is better but it refer to toyota JDM one,.. not ASEAN market toyota
prrrfthhhh
i wonder how perodua will position this with the exora in the market. it is an MPV, a people mover, and given their late entry into this segment, price can't be the only factor to consider.
it's still a 7 seater like the exora and i'm sure you can easily fit most of the exora goodies into it. so where would this MPV sit??
haha.. .it is very interesting to see those people fighting each other. I'm not p1 nor p2 basher or supporter. Today i went to Bukit Tinggi, Klang Proton show room. Many people visit it to see the new born mpv. I'm glad to see it at first. Car is nice, features are great. But in the showroom they should promote the Exora hot selling point on a big LCD screen where people can see it visible. Coz some of the great modern technology used in this car is hiding such as the BCM feature. Just see the car isnt enough. In my opinion, I felt like the seat on third row quite low compare to second row. After I myself see the car and stand a side to 'curi curi' listen what those people saying. Me quite disappointed. Some of them says wow it is big but they just use their eyes to see the third row and already know it cant fit tall people and say it is 'redundant seat' design for nice only. And some of them even says the seat is small cant fit the people with big bum. And people there also compare the car body whether is tough or soft with Saga. They says Saga is much tougher… haha i dont know. This is what they says.
Back to topic, Perodua mpv is not so spacious as Exora, even Exora got ppl commented it is small in third row i wonder how thier sale going for p2… Priced at below 65k is for high line i guess? But if Exora manual M-line version is priced at 65k? haha quite competitive right? Cant wait till September to see our Malaysian second MPV launch.
[quote comment="231870"]they just try to trick some their fanboy,
that this car also built from scratch in malaysia..
even best story one here as I heard before (from 1 overfanaticp2fan)..
"My uncle work at p2. they said, myvi build and designed by p2…
but because p2 not have money RM1Billion…
they give daihatsu to built it'
something like that..
So!.. Get you fact friends..
This sette was totally designed and built by malaysian!
but p2 not have RM2billion, later they will sold to toyota tooo..
hahahahaha[/quote]
i am totally believe to you, why p2 don't ask RM2billion from taxpayer but to toyota.
[quote comment="231657"][quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.[/quote]
Toyota? passion my ass, build cars just for sake of profits……
rather stick with Honda or Mitsubishi…..
not Proton basher? then must be a DIEHARD fan of "pasar malam" Myvi…..
viva's size scale changed = this new coming mpv..hehe..looks like avanza je..
[quote comment="231914"]haha.. .it is very interesting to see those people fighting each other. I'm not p1 nor p2 basher or supporter. Today i went to Bukit Tinggi, Klang Proton show room. Many people visit it to see the new born mpv. I'm glad to see it at first. Car is nice, features are great. But in the showroom they should promote the Exora hot selling point on a big LCD screen where people can see it visible. Coz some of the great modern technology used in this car is hiding such as the BCM feature. Just see the car isnt enough. In my opinion, I felt like the seat on third row quite low compare to second row. After I myself see the car and stand a side to 'curi curi' listen what those people saying. Me quite disappointed. Some of them says wow it is big but they just use their eyes to see the third row and already know it cant fit tall people and say it is 'redundant seat' design for nice only. And some of them even says the seat is small cant fit the people with big bum. And people there also compare the car body whether is tough or soft with Saga. They says Saga is much tougher… haha i dont know. This is what they says.
Back to topic, Perodua mpv is not so spacious as Exora, even Exora got ppl commented it is small in third row i wonder how thier sale going for p2… Priced at below 65k is for high line i guess? But if Exora manual M-line version is priced at 65k? haha quite competitive right? Cant wait till September to see our Malaysian second MPV launch.[/quote]
first of all, u certainly got some BIG ears, dude…..
and secondly, what u expect from a mid-size mpv? 3rd row seats as spacious ans comfortable as Carnival, Estima and Alphard? those are full-size….
and speaking about 1st mpv 2nd mpv whatsoever, i believe many had forgotten P2 Rusa and P1 Juara….
this is affordable MPV for common people, we can't ask too much out of that, period. if you don't like Exora or the upcoming P2 MPV, go for odyssey or toyota wish, and they are like twice the price. so… do you have a choice, genious?!! on a flat road and with 7 people onboard you better expect it won't fly with just a tap on your right food. power to weight ratio …. purely common sense. heavy people tend to move slower.
we understand the market position of these product with this kind of power and yet still hoping to make it a successful one among average income people. if you can't live with that, blame yourself for not able to earn more to get higher spec car, end of the day you can settle for two saga instead of an Exora. you can make compromises … we are consumer, if we don't think it is good for us, why get it in the first place right? don't be fool by all those marketing gimmick.
end of story, live within your means, else think of a way how you could earn more.
According to Wiki, Proton Juara and Perodua Rusa both are Microvan. Not really a MPV.
[quote comment="231850"]Proton R&D = Researched Development
Perodua R&D = Received & Deliver[/quote]
TOTALLY AGREED!!!!
the third row is not for human, merely for anjing peliharaan.
the myvi se already 50k over, if this one sells at 66k, maybe A LOT of features gonna be stripped. maybe they sell it without 2nd row or 3 row seat? and put it on optional…
if no air cond for 2nd and 3rd row seat, is useless. even my friend wish also got complained because of this. they said "kereta panas!!"
all in all, p2 only know how to rebadge. never develop themself. this mindset gonna kills malaysia one day for sure.
i read someone said that cherry eastar worth more to buy. go and see for yourself its build quality. really a china typical, only think of cheapo thingy, save the safety feature for last. the cheap plastic gets cheaper by its finishes. u can see the burr and undercut from the dashboard itself. cushion fabric made of my moms kitchen curtain, once u stuck a pen, the fabric gonna tear for sure. back seat air cond at bottom can freeze your balls. rusty exhaust manifold. body gap here and there. engine is so thirsty especially "cruising" at 120kmh. lots more.. lazy to mention it.
the only thing that exora need to compete with is nissan g livina. my personal judgement livina is so so in its class. again, its 3rd row is not meant for adult, child, yes. but once u get in it, u feel so cramped. i think a sedan car headroom and clearance is better than livina. even ugly latio's or swift head room is way bigger than its. now thats what nissan called an mpv.
btw, I think my neighbours granny will buy this p2 mpv. she is so excited when p2 release a vehicle. i think she's a p1 basher too lol. maybe maserati's granny lol… XD
I think this vid is purposely filmed as a teaser. Because the camera shifted to P.Viva and waiting the P.MPV to pass by.. I think onli la..
i duno la….seems like a pre planned kinda thing….i mean it looks wayyyy too convenient……exora launched…n BOOM!!new perodua on the road….and sumwan is there to 'capture'this 'exciting' footage…paul…i guess perodua knows pretty well u have a influential web with a hude following….so they did this….shame on u lah 'tukang tukar badge'(perodua)…..!!!
[quote comment="231770"]Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
Well,its because ppl pay you to say good things about the car.This is all psychology dude.Proton is actually playing with ppls mindset.The same way BN plays with the majority of Sarawak's kampung community mindset.[/quote]
damn u maserati
this blog is for cars blogging only
what the hell are u saying bout sarawakian
im sarawakian but lived in terengganu
we know we choose the right party for ensuring our development
and more, BN in Sarawak is not UMNO
we are with our own party
no need opposition
coz there juz sucks
make noise just like a dog
but nothing have done
only know how to cheat rakyat
poor malaysian whom did not know how to value the peace and harmony we have right now
for whom always keep bashing p1 or p2
i know you are damn rich (dont know if they pay their income tax, or avoiding it by make a fake declaration)
p1 and p2 is for us, people who have intermediate n low income
my family own nissan frontier, waja, kelisa n viva
im not a p1 or p2 lovers, but i do respect efforts that have been done by our engineers
do u think its easy to engineered a car?
im not askin of making a car
but to engineer a car
can u, maserati?
u org xpernah hidup susah, bolehla condemn mcm2
[quote comment="231925"][quote comment="231870"]they just try to trick some their fanboy,
that this car also built from scratch in malaysia..
even best story one here as I heard before (from 1 overfanaticp2fan)..
"My uncle work at p2. they said, myvi build and designed by p2…
but because p2 not have money RM1Billion…
they give daihatsu to built it'
something like that..
So!.. Get you fact friends..
This sette was totally designed and built by malaysian!
but p2 not have RM2billion, later they will sold to toyota tooo..
hahahahaha[/quote]
i am totally believe to you, why p2 don't ask RM2billion from taxpayer but to toyota.[/quote]
bmpower….ALL PERODUA CAR'S ARE NOT THEIR OWN…..!this guy think he is smart…my uncle works there la…tu la ni la..FAIRYTALES JE..if datz the case…y didnt all dat cum in da papers la fren….so since ur uncle is 'workin at perodua'…m sure he has a staff number….could you kindly send dat….so dat i can check with my frenz dad(named jacob johnson,works at the p2 plant in rawang in sum post la…neva bothered askin)…so…m waitin 4 da staff num…hope 2 hear form u soon….
I see some people here think MPVs must have seats for 7 people. But MPV stands for Multi-Purpose Vehicle, and the Perodua MPV certainly fits the title.
I am guessing the target market for this MPV is young families (maybe one or two kids under 12years), who need space at the back (ala wagons). Sure people always want space for 7 in an MPV, but unless you drive 7 people in your desired MPV everyday or perhaps every weekend, there is little to support the need to buy one in the first place. Which is where this Perodua MPV comes in.
I can picture even young dads buying this to have enough space for their weekly grocery shopping or sporting activities (folding down the 3rd row and drive the vehicle as a 5 seater). Not everyone leads the typical lifestyle of balik kampung every week or bring around grandparents in addition to their own families for outings. So this is where Perodua can cater to alternative lifestyles.
My 2 sen.
For me either Exora or P2 MPV, it doesnt matter.
yeah, it is not easy to engineered the car.
We cannot simply built the car without engineered it.
It is something which need a lot of hardwork and know how.
But the most important thing is, it is malaysian product which made especially for malaysian. Not all malaysian can't afford to buy wish, livina, stream or any jap cars.I believe Proton and P2 have do their best to reduce the car price so malaysian can afford to buy. I also believe they will not ignore the safety issue because they have to comply some safety regulation.
It doesnt matter if P2 just copy Toyota car, they still in learning phase. This thing happen to Proton since 1983 until 10 years ago. even jap also learn from american before their can built their own car. so why bother so much? as long as the car is reasonable price and qualiti, then its ok right? Im sure, one day, P2 also can stand alone like Proton nowadays.
If you condemn so much, why dont u build ur own car and test it on your own? Long life Proton and Perodua.
i hate japanese…want conquer malaysia again with P2..ermmm
[quote comment="231927"][quote comment="231657"][quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.[/quote]
Toyota? passion my ass, build cars just for sake of profits……
rather stick with Honda or Mitsubishi…..
not Proton basher? then must be a DIEHARD fan of "pasar malam" Myvi…..[/quote]
Obviously Toyota has no passion in building cars! I mean, just take a look at F1! There's a quote about Toyota's involvement in F1 "Honda sell cars to go racing, Toyota goes racing to sell cars" That pretty much sums it up!
Wah, they become quickly gelabah and bring out their Sette instantly.
It looks like a MYVI stationwagon (cut and paste) with two extra small seats at the back. As for the Viva, I won't buy it, the doors are light and shut with a clang noise.
Saya mewakili kambing2 dari bukit rambai ingin mengucapkan tahniah kepada perodua kerana berjaya "menciplak" sebuah MPV untuk rakyat malaysia.
Hope one day perodua will design ownself their car.
I dont like some iklan at radio say "kunjungi pusat penjualan perodua harini. dan alami rekabentuk oleh perodua".
dis P2 mpv doesnt looks like an MPV…
it looks like a WAGON for me…
look like myvi limo
Kenapa Perodua nak compete dengan Proton? Keluar MPV sama-sama?
Padahal dua-dua syarikat kereta nasional Malaysia.
Nak tau kenapa? (my personal 2 cent opinion) :
Toyota masuk ke Malaysia melalui Perodua,
Perodua cuma nama,
Misi dan Visi adalah Toyota,
Jadi apa Misi dan Visi syarikat Jepun ni? (aku pun tak tahu)
Yang penting aku dapat rasa perodua is not a good friend anymore with proton..
Something wrong la..
stupid van – ugly styling, cramping and kayu rear seats
According to Utusan Online, Perodua displayed their new MPV at Angsana JB. Any Johorian here? take a snap or two and upload it here..
source: http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2009&a…
ha ha ….P2 is better …..hope the price will be in a RM 50k range ….
[quote comment="231675"][quote comment="231668"][quote comment="231657"][quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.[/quote]
I dare to say all these because I'm making a comparison on both vehicles, mainly on quality control. Maybe you could scrutinize more on built quality of Proton compared to any Perodua. RND is important yes, the rest of the world cares for it, and I admit I did over speak, but how on earth can Proton put a 1.6 engine into a car which weighs a ton and a half? I tested the car and sadly, it's awfully underpowered.[/quote]
i tested the car too this morning and it has sufficient power for my needs.[/quote]
yeap..needs depends on the person itself. some ppl think that myvi 1.3 is good enuf..but i need a turbo for myvi..so it depends. but i'd say tht 1.6 for exora kinda small..they should go at least 1.8..but anyway, it's the first mpv from p1..and the mpv got lots of potential.
[quote comment="231960"][quote comment="231925"][quote comment="231870"]they just try to trick some their fanboy,
that this car also built from scratch in malaysia..
even best story one here as I heard before (from 1 overfanaticp2fan)..
"My uncle work at p2. they said, myvi build and designed by p2…
but because p2 not have money RM1Billion…
they give daihatsu to built it'
something like that..
So!.. Get you fact friends..
This sette was totally designed and built by malaysian!
but p2 not have RM2billion, later they will sold to toyota tooo..
hahahahaha[/quote]
i am totally believe to you, why p2 don't ask RM2billion from taxpayer but to toyota.[/quote]
bmpower….ALL PERODUA CAR'S ARE NOT THEIR OWN…..!this guy think he is smart…my uncle works there la…tu la ni la..FAIRYTALES JE..if datz the case…y didnt all dat cum in da papers la fren….so since ur uncle is 'workin at perodua'…m sure he has a staff number….could you kindly send dat….so dat i can check with my frenz dad(named jacob johnson,works at the p2 plant in rawang in sum post la…neva bothered askin)…so…m waitin 4 da staff num…hope 2 hear form u soon….[/quote]
It's sarcasms lah! haiyaaa
Toyota: Passion for making money (muda savings & such – TPS)
Honda: Passion for engines (& Power – Hondaism)
It will be nice if Honda provide the engine (and maybe tranny), Toyota involve in equipment design & packaging studies, Proton design the chassis and Perodua assemble it with Cherry price. Make sure the supplier are VW quality worthy (the best in Europe/World)
This new P2 family will named as MYVi XL coz of more big then MYVi. hahaha….. :)
Terus terang aku katakan yang new P2 nie bukan saingan Exora. Boleh katakan Exora hanya bersaing dengan Lavina & Stream aje dari segi saiz (jangan tengok enjin sebab lain dah tu). Aku baru dapat post dari member kat jepun yang menyatakan sette & lumina target untuk jalan area bandar untuk ambil anak kat sekolah & pegi pasar aje. Dia terkejut yang P2 nak kuarkan model yang sama dengan harga RM66k ?. Apa yang ada kat dalam tu sampai nak jual murah tu ?. Member aku nie jepun, tapi dia tak berapa minat dengan Toyota kecuali AE86 yang atuk dia pakai dulu. Dia lagi suka pakai Honda & Nissan sebab lebih senang kendali & selesa. Dia cukup berminat dengan Exora sebab dari design agak penuhi citarasa pelbagai orang. 1.6L tu tak ada masalah dia kata sebab dari spec yag dia dapat, elok2 untuk satu family jalan jauh tanpa rasa penat. Dia terkejut bila tengok crash test walaupun tu bukan NCAP yang buat tapi tu pun dah tunjukkan yang Exora amat sesuai untuk rakyat Malaysia & pasaran antrabangsa. Stream 1.7L dulu pun x dapat macam tu. Minggu depan dia datang Malaysia sebab urusan perniagaan kat malaysia. Dia nak test Exora tu. Aku nak tau gak apa jepun sorang nie nak kata plak. (Kat jepun dia pakai Skyline GTR baru). Syok dia kata. :)
anyway …eastar 2.4 is better ..my family love it….hope to buy another MPV…like P2 ….
[quote comment="231893"][quote comment="231770"]Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
.[/quote]
no wonder you used to be a marketing manager.[/quote]
hahaha. spot on
[quote comment="231869"]The war has begun!!!
I know that this is MPV war topic, but what I've learn is that, I wont be buying any item from nickname maserati company since he is the marketing manager.
next, IMHO, the road test which is done by perodua is to test the car itself, even if the car already on the road, the tooling and also chasis which is assembled by p2 factory still need to retest, rather than mere assembler becoz they received the parts and assemble, p2 still have to source some of its item source locally and please give them a chance to do their road testing.
its also good for them marketing wise, to stop one of the potential MPV buyer from buying Exora, now this is a true marketing strategy, u will know this if u learn marketing in kindergarten… ok? don tipu-tipu, a booking receive is
recorded and passed on to MAA as part of automotive research study…
a potential buyer will hold their money and wait for the launching of P2 MPV and then they will figure where to put their money is… it is up the them really, why must bash.. instead of bash.. let us let them know what is need to be check and what is the customer right of a car… with 5 years warranty, i don see any problem… maybe p2 will top this with 5 years warranty with unlimited mileage… its marketing strategy… rite maserati… btw ppl also call me bently.. i wonder why…[/quote]
Come on la dude, get a life, I mean real life lar~
Business world is always tends to has a lie behind, if there r no lies behind, then we do business for WHAT? For fun???
Business world is juz like BN that promising u this and that during a poll, and after ur vote went into their pocket, they give u nothing by saying "this can't be done because previous leader hasn't done yet".
Yesterday i went to Minggu Saham Amanah Malaysia near Plaza Angsana,JB.Go through Perodua booth, there you can see the interior design (seat,inner space n color scheme) used for its newcoming mpv.(i forget to shot a pic)..
1. beige color for the seats (probably to inject spacious feelings)
2. dual tone color on its dashboard.
3. center speedo cluster.
4. i didnt manage to see the gear (dash-mounted or not)
but,last time i heard Perodua MD, D.Syed Hafiz said that Perodua will showcase its mpv body structure at MSAM,but suddenly i only saw the interior.
just for query, if Myvi priced at rm50k+ while this D46T will priced at rm66k, how they fit 1.5L engine, additional metal structure, additional seats,leather trim, then we can say myvi is nearly overprice.
another point is, avanza is assembled by perodua. As assumption, avanza will probably strip off to give way for perodua mpv production.and these two are in the same category of price and probably compete.
ohh…this is just my opinion.
[quote comment="231783"][quote comment="231770"]Tiadaid,
Thats why,OTHER PPL have been singing praises about it.Do you know what is marketing strategy?
Do you actually know the people who are singing the praises about this car.
Well,let me tell you.They are in fact Proton employees.I was a Manager in a marketing firm before so I know how all this shit runs.
They actually use their own employees to sing praises about this car to create the impression that the car is damn good and all.
So when you go and test drive,you impression of the car will already be positive by all this media hyped up rubbish.Obviously Proton paid dunno how much TAXPAYERS money to get the Exora so much publicity and almost every review is positive about the Exora.
Well,its because ppl pay you to say good things about the car.This is all psychology dude.Proton is actually playing with ppls mindset.The same way BN plays with the majority of Sarawak's kampung community mindset.[/quote]
If that your reasoning, so you are the so called marketing manager, paid by the P2 to wall up the exora and at the same time..praise the sette eh luminas eh d46t mpv…pity you, you may loose a client soon, and maserati my friends..ask your client dont need to cover that mpv lah..since all people can easily view sette/luminas..
and yes…i'm a P2 basher..so what[/quote]
hey, what a briliant comment!!! ageed with makan-makan, i don't think marketing manager have this stupid mind, maybe he just pretend to be. This not malaysian to have mafia behaviour! but have to admit, exora is better. Yes, i'm P2 basher now. Got problem with it? ;-)
Maserati was a Manager??
OMG..
u must be kiddin…
disaster..
spy shot ni mesti dah di rancang… sbb gmbr clear… dah tu parking sebelah wira pastu lalu pulak sebelah viva… mesti org P2 jugak yg ambil gmbr ni… marketing strategi ni…..
[quote comment="231914"]haha.. .it is very interesting to see those people fighting each other. I'm not p1 nor p2 basher or supporter. Today i went to Bukit Tinggi, Klang Proton show room. Many people visit it to see the new born mpv. I'm glad to see it at first. Car is nice, features are great. But in the showroom they should promote the Exora hot selling point on a big LCD screen where people can see it visible. Coz some of the great modern technology used in this car is hiding such as the BCM feature. Just see the car isnt enough. In my opinion, I felt like the seat on third row quite low compare to second row. After I myself see the car and stand a side to 'curi curi' listen what those people saying. Me quite disappointed. Some of them says wow it is big but they just use their eyes to see the third row and already know it cant fit tall people and say it is 'redundant seat' design for nice only. And some of them even says the seat is small cant fit the people with big bum. And people there also compare the car body whether is tough or soft with Saga. They says Saga is much tougher… haha i dont know. This is what they says.
Back to topic, Perodua mpv is not so spacious as Exora, even Exora got ppl commented it is small in third row i wonder how thier sale going for p2… Priced at below 65k is for high line i guess? But if Exora manual M-line version is priced at 65k? haha quite competitive right? Cant wait till September to see our Malaysian second MPV launch.[/quote]
exora 3rd row is damn big la my fren….i am 183cm 90kg….still can fit with extra headroom summore……..sighhh
FOR PERODUA MANAGEMENT/ENGINEER PERSONNEL:
Please don'tmake this MPV FAIL, by cutting out much of the SAFETY FEATURES in the original Passo Sette which include 6 airbags, VSC (ABS,EDB,BA certainly will remained), EPS (Electric Power Steering) or TRC(Traction Control), becoz these features is a must in terms of car manufacturing in Malaysia since these safety features are lack of support in local car manufacturer (ALL LOCAL CARS are lack of 6 airbags instead of only 2 airbags, TRC, VSC & EPS.)
If u guys a Perodua Personnel would want to compete and wanna get a fraction of bisicuits from Proton's share in MPV, PLS, KINDLY INCLUDE ALL THOSE SAFETY FEATURES in order to make it a PIONEER in LOCAL CAR MANUFACTURING. Since Proton Exora couldn't make it a 6 airbags and all any other safety features that I mentioned at above, PERODUA, PLS. MAKE IT HAPPEN HERE ON YOUR UPCOMING PERODUA MPV~~!
FOR PERODUA MANAGEMENT/ENGINEER PERSONNEL:
Please don'tmake this MPV FAIL, by cutting out much of the SAFETY FEATURES in the original Passo Sette which include 6 airbags, VSC (ABS,EDB,BA certainly will remained), EPS (Electric Power Steering) or TRC(Traction Control), becoz these features is a must in terms of car manufacturing in Malaysia since these safety features are lack of support in local car manufacturer (ALL LOCAL CARS are lack of 6 airbags instead of only 2 airbags, TRC, VSC & EPS.)
If u guys a Perodua Personnel would want to compete and wanna get a fraction of bisicuits from Proton's share in MPV, PLS, KINDLY INCLUDE ALL THOSE SAFETY FEATURES in order to make it a PIONEER in LOCAL CAR MANUFACTURING. Since Proton Exora couldn't make it a 6 airbags and all any other safety features that I mentioned at above, PERODUA, PLS. MAKE IT HAPPEN HERE ON YOUR UPCOMING PERODUA MPV~~!
If u include all these features in this MPV, SURE Exora will get killed by all these Safety Features, if not, I can't see anyone will shift from Exora to The Perodua MPV, although the Exora Front (especially the Headlamp) shows a lack of Futurism and Lack of Trendy design and Ugly, But the size is Good (although the design is an old man/uncle car for Exora.)
[quote comment="231857"]I pray both P1 and P2 or even Naza Inokom Modenas can sell their products locally and internationally.
Everyone has their own market, l believe. BUT, one thing l don't like to see from Perodua, please bring this new (or contemporary vehicles) instead of outgoing vehicle like VIVA (in Japan our Viva was retired about last three years); Kenari (last two generation obsoleted already in the Japan market, c.2001).[/quote]
Agree with you. Our Viva is a previous version of Mira which has been replaced at the end of 2006. What a shame!!!
On the other hand, MyVi and this New MPV only around a year late, which is okay. Anyway, I still can't accept the fact that Perodua want to sell Viva which has become obsolete since the end of 2006 at a very inflated price. What the hell?
use the following keyword in the google search.
"perodua mpv angsana jb"
you will see the upcoming perodua mpv that currently showcases at Plaza Angsana JB.
another thrash on the road after stupid myvi and coffin-car viva.
This Perodua MPV comes with 1.5cc engine !! u try read article from funtasticko
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If ezora 1.6cc CPS someone said underpowered, this BIG STRETCHED VIVA more underpowered…
[quote comment="231722"][quote comment="231668"][quote comment="231657"][quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
Who cares about R&D? Well rest of the world care that is.
And yes, you are a typical, judgmental, not given any constructive criticism, Toyota brain-washed & can't stands others to improve type of person, that luckily majority Malaysian people have grown to look pass.[/quote]
I dare to say all these because I'm making a comparison on both vehicles, mainly on quality control. Maybe you could scrutinize more on built quality of Proton compared to any Perodua. RND is important yes, the rest of the world cares for it, and I admit I did over speak, but how on earth can Proton put a 1.6 engine into a car which weighs a ton and a half? I tested the car and sadly, it's awfully underpowered.[/quote]
If you say that, then how can toyota put a 1.3 engine into the avanza. don't just simply bash proton because its malaysian, think first.[/quote]
Toyota can put 1.3 engine inside avanza cos its got vvti+dvvvt+ttvd +vvvt-Li and very very der powderful plus got super duper advance super-ect gearbox. but proton 1.6 campro cps is just too weak compared with toyota's 1.3.
toyota mah…best in the world and some say in mars also.
Viva facelift is coming in July 2009!
Suck MPV on the way to Malaysian road to inrease road fatality!
Viva facelift aka D35N is coming very soon!
[quote comment="231940"][quote comment="231850"]Proton R&D = Researched Development
Perodua R&D = Received & Deliver[/quote]
TOTALLY AGREED!!!![/quote]
R N D = Raksasa n Dinosour
[quote comment="231763"]the problem is…
Indonesia of Indonesia also will assemble this MPV.. for ASEAN market.. so why we need overpriced P2 to assemble it too???
can by real T brand fron Indonesia.. like we import avanza from Indon[/quote]
Avanza is assemble in Perodua laa…
'T' brand sucks….
'T' design are fugly…
Go P1, Honda, MMC, Korean, European, Indian Marques….
P2 products base on ancient 'T' & 'D' design….
somemore can't even build the Nautica locally…
scared design might fall to other marques
so for me 'T' is sucks…
hehehe!
[quote comment="232029"][quote comment="231960"][quote comment="231925"][quote comment="231870"]they just try to trick some their fanboy,
that this car also built from scratch in malaysia..
even best story one here as I heard before (from 1 overfanaticp2fan)..
"My uncle work at p2. they said, myvi build and designed by p2…
but because p2 not have money RM1Billion…
they give daihatsu to built it'
something like that..
So!.. Get you fact friends..
This sette was totally designed and built by malaysian!
but p2 not have RM2billion, later they will sold to toyota tooo..
hahahahaha[/quote]
i am totally believe to you, why p2 don't ask RM2billion from taxpayer but to toyota.[/quote]
bmpower….ALL PERODUA CAR'S ARE NOT THEIR OWN…..!this guy think he is smart…my uncle works there la…tu la ni la..FAIRYTALES JE..if datz the case…y didnt all dat cum in da papers la fren….so since ur uncle is 'workin at perodua'…m sure he has a staff number….could you kindly send dat….so dat i can check with my frenz dad(named jacob johnson,works at the p2 plant in rawang in sum post la…neva bothered askin)…so…m waitin 4 da staff num…hope 2 hear form u soon….[/quote]
It's sarcasms lah! haiyaaa[/quote]
lol….read elok2 la bro…hahahaha…….
somemore P2 cars are over priced…
hell i bet this P2 MPV will be over pricey…
ha..ha..1.3 vvti supposed to be powerful..nice statements. it is vvti, not vvtl-i,it is a different engine. vvtl-i is not existed nowadays because of emission problems. for the moment, dual vvti or valvematic will not be introduce to malaysian market because vvti is enough to impress malaysian. do you really know the power rating of 1.6 cps compare 1.3 vvti??? be real bro, dont cloud your judgement because it is a toyota. nevertheless, their engines are good but it doesnt mean better to 1.6 cps…adios
[quote comment="232107"]This Perodua MPV comes with 1.5cc engine !! u try read article from funtasticko
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If ezora 1.6cc CPS someone said underpowered, this BIG STRETCHED VIVA more underpowered…[/quote]
Don't talk bull shit if you don't know their weight lah bro.
Yes, MPV mainly to taking our family member, and in now a day people would think buying a more safety js protect our kids. That why, new young family prefer a branded car, even js as small as P2. Coz hv safety feature. So some of them who js can effort P2, is also HOPE our national car offer good safety feature. Unfortunately eash time js failure all malaysian. We are really hope P2 can do better safety feature for lower income people. they life also same importance as all.
lol P2 nautica price suck big time ~ how about this ??
[quote comment="232136"]ha..ha..1.3 vvti supposed to be powerful..nice statements. it is vvti, not vvtl-i,it is a different engine. vvtl-i is not existed nowadays because of emission problems. for the moment, dual vvti or valvematic will not be introduce to malaysian market because vvti is enough to impress malaysian. do you really know the power rating of 1.6 cps compare 1.3 vvti??? be real bro, dont cloud your judgement because it is a toyota. nevertheless, their engines are good but it doesnt mean better to 1.6 cps…adios[/quote]
That guy just being sarcastic. Don't you think?
Even a school boy know that 1.6 CPS is more powerful in term of Power and Torque. I'm sure he know that.
[quote comment="232137"][quote comment="232107"]This Perodua MPV comes with 1.5cc engine !! u try read article from funtasticko
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.
.
If ezora 1.6cc CPS someone said underpowered, this BIG STRETCHED VIVA more underpowered…[/quote]
Don't talk bull shit if you don't know their weight lah bro.[/quote]
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you aso talk about bull shit… mwahaha…
light weight of this mpv 1.5x Viva..hahaha…
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.i want to call this model BSV = BIG STRETCHED ViVA…
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Errr..any naming contest?
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i want to name it as Perodua BiBaH (big biba/viva)..
tagline : Dare to Death.
[quote comment="231784"]Not everybody praise about Proton get paid as their sincere comments came from within. Otherwise, I'm richer now as l got paid for everything positive comment l (we) made. Such a blatant accuse!
I love p2 as my 6 six years ownership of Kelisa was so smooth- only my AC duct was broken after a year or so and in fifth year, power window switch broke down (due to age as well as my baby love to play with the switch).
Having said that, l must admit Jeremy Clarkson's infamous grudge over Perodua-safety. This department Proton from Savvy score very well. When l was in Singapore, one makcik got accident (her Savvy rolls like turtle) but she experience no scratches nor bruises. I can't imagine if the car is Kelisa or Viva, let alone dark age Kancil. BTW, l guess MyVi maybe can survive.
I had no problem with rebadge engineering as long as the company can sell their product BUT treatment maybe should be unique to the true carmaker, isn't?
I prefer a Toyota Axio though rename as Perodua Axio. We should grateful. We, mature Malaysian should learn how to be a Korean- support their industries; car, phone, tv, pc, electronics, food etc[/quote]
It was terribly hard to find foreign car brands in Seoul. I spotted only two, a merce and an audi. It is not so much on the protectionism, but rather patriotism (even though the quality of their cars is comparable to protons or peroduas). Their patriotism leads to the availability of every single product produced elsewhere, all with made-in-korea tag. Hence, their self-sustainable economy because they just dont buy foreign products. So patriotic, some people say they won't use/buy a product, even it is a important, unless the product is korean-made.
Here, we malaysians bashing our own buatan malaysia, praising foreign brands, labeling everyone with corruption, abhoring protectionism, but most of all admiring other nations' patriotism.
oh my god, it does look like a streched version of the viva
[quote comment="232074"]FOR PERODUA MANAGEMENT/ENGINEER PERSONNEL:
Please don'tmake this MPV FAIL, by cutting out much of the SAFETY FEATURES in the original Passo Sette which include 6 airbags, VSC (ABS,EDB,BA certainly will remained), EPS (Electric Power Steering) or TRC(Traction Control), becoz these features is a must in terms of car manufacturing in Malaysia since these safety features are lack of support in local car manufacturer (ALL LOCAL CARS are lack of 6 airbags instead of only 2 airbags, TRC, VSC & EPS.)
If u guys a Perodua Personnel would want to compete and wanna get a fraction of bisicuits from Proton's share in MPV, PLS, KINDLY INCLUDE ALL THOSE SAFETY FEATURES in order to make it a PIONEER in LOCAL CAR MANUFACTURING. Since Proton Exora couldn't make it a 6 airbags and all any other safety features that I mentioned at above, PERODUA, PLS. MAKE IT HAPPEN HERE ON YOUR UPCOMING PERODUA MPV~~!
If u include all these features in this MPV, SURE Exora will get killed by all these Safety Features, if not, I can't see anyone will shift from Exora to The Perodua MPV, although the Exora Front (especially the Headlamp) shows a lack of Futurism and Lack of Trendy design and Ugly, But the size is Good (although the design is an old man/uncle car for Exora.)[/quote]
you all that in a RM 60k mpv? keep dreaming..
why don't you include 6 hot models that comes with the purchase, to be driven home in your new p2 mpv. That, at least, is more plausible
Im gonna name this…
PERODUA KANGKONG!.
cheap, just like kangkong.
can float on highway just like kangkong float on water.
im p2 basher now.. so what?
i just bashed a bad product because it's about peoples life.
TQ!
hehehe…. P2 and P1 fans in here are like Windows and Mac users…
can they ever speak in harmony??
from how i see it, Exora and Sette is totally different class.. tecnically, if you guys are trying to compare this 2 model, this discussion will NEVER EVER end..
let alone comparing P1 and P2… so why not discuss about this particular model and let the comparing to 'other' class model aside… dont stress urself…
this is not a mpv ..
it's a stretched viva or myvi ..
and all those stuff that comes in standard in toyota passo sette ..
i dun think p2 will be so generous to put in the car ..
they will surely launch a SE version of the mpv ..
[quote comment="232202"]hehehe…. P2 and P1 fans in here are like Windows and Mac users…
can they ever speak in harmony??
from how i see it, Exora and Sette is totally different class.. tecnically, if you guys are trying to compare this 2 model, this discussion will NEVER EVER end..
let alone comparing P1 and P2… so why not discuss about this particular model and let the comparing to 'other' class model aside… dont stress urself…[/quote]
Ok lah…. lets compare Sette & Freed. Both 1.5L. Technicaly Freed more batter than sette base power, size and room. Compare Freed & Exora technicaly almost equal base on size & room (power diffrance).
Honestly, why does Perodua even need to test the car? I mean, they are practically just buying Toyota and slap on the Perodua badge on it. What is there to be tested?
:D
Okay I am kidding folks. Chill la.
Exora ruless!
nevermind. there is no competition in malaysia. so anyone who wants an mpv (and how many people in the world want one)…they can only chose from these 2.
As u all know P2 bkn Malaysian product. Share pun T-brand yg majority.
P1 mmg Malaysian product. Yg jd problem dulu kroni2 yg buat accessories.
Lar ni P1 buat kereta yang boleh jual, Pesona, Saga and Exora. Untuk aku patriotic is one thing but what we can get from our hard earn money is the most important thing. Kalau kereta rosak, loan x bayar..suma tu duit kita kan. Bukan duit P1 or P2. Kalau nak kira semua kereta ada problem. Member aku bgtau BM yang assemble kat sini pun sama jer. BTW aku neutral, x pakai P1 or P2 or Korean. Aku dah try Exora, interior mmg impressive. Aku rasa kalau ada 1.6MT baru ngam.
just merger it …
only the volume up, than the cost per unit can bring down,
after 23 years in the industry, proton still struggle in the international
market, there must something wrong with proton, our progress is too slow
if we compare with other , if not peroduo will has no chance to top sale in malaysia.
90% exora made in malaysia, how about the another 10% ?
the styling is design by malaysia, but most important thing is the enginering part? how much malaysia had master in the enginnering part?
the proton assembly line was provided by japanese, when we can design our own assembly line with our own technology?
why everytime bring in LG ? after so long in industry why we still need outside help? lotus is own by proton, but the brain still in europe, when we need any lotus tech, then we will saw lotus enginer (western guy) do it for proton, all the knowledge cannot buy by dollar, can proton sent our top score student to lotus , learnt everything and bring back to malaysia? (know that our top student only want to become doctor only, this is another problem),
look at the progress made by the chinese and india, not just the end product, their progress in design, enginnering, robot /assembly line,etc.
only after compare with other than we can know our progress.
government must leave proton alone,
too much politic in our auto industry,
or after another 20 yr, we
will still cannot made the another 10%..
[quote comment="232252"]Kalau nak kira semua kereta ada problem. Member aku bgtau BM yang assemble kat sini pun sama jer.[/quote]
Kiranya yg bersalah bkn kete, tapi orang yang pasang kete. Dah BM yang assembled kat M'sia ni (ade ke BM pasang kat sini? Bkn Merc?) pon sama ade problem….suruh mat bangla keje kilang Proton ok kot?
[quote comment="232153"][quote comment="232136"]ha..ha..1.3 vvti supposed to be powerful..nice statements. it is vvti, not vvtl-i,it is a different engine. vvtl-i is not existed nowadays because of emission problems. for the moment, dual vvti or valvematic will not be introduce to malaysian market because vvti is enough to impress malaysian. do you really know the power rating of 1.6 cps compare 1.3 vvti??? be real bro, dont cloud your judgement because it is a toyota. nevertheless, their engines are good but it doesnt mean better to 1.6 cps…adios[/quote]
That guy just being sarcastic. Don't you think?
Even a school boy know that 1.6 CPS is more powerful in term of Power and Torque. I'm sure he know that.[/quote]
Haha, yeap. King is pretty much a P2 basher, I've noted that for awhile.
So yes, he was being extremely sarcastic in imitating those ah soo n ah kaw who're blinded by the T badge.
Sorry P2, u can only try…… only……
The victor, will be the Exora!!
Still got guys still bashing about CPS & VVT-i…
If you said that CPS is good, than how about those Japanese VTEC or MIVEC?
Besides that the CPS torque is the same as G.Livina 1.6L engine 150Nm. Check the facts!
What Proton lack is the power:weight ratio! Do you all learn maths in school?!?
If Perodua MPV is under 1200kg and have 1.5L VVT-i engine on board, i think the power:weight ratio is better. Later when the official spec came out, i gonna bet on it.
I wonder does those Perodua basher is paid by Proton and those Proton basher is paid by Perodua…
Since BN is paying a lot of bloggers and hackers to give BN a "good" feel in their campaign in winning back those voter in cyberwar?!?
Oops.. Sorry not *paying.. Is supporting…
[quote comment="232296"]Still got guys still bashing about CPS & VVT-i…
If you said that CPS is good, than how about those Japanese VTEC or MIVEC?
Besides that the CPS torque is the same as G.Livina 1.6L engine 150Nm. Check the facts!
What Proton lack is the power:weight ratio! Do you all learn maths in school?!?
If Perodua MPV is under 1200kg and have 1.5L VVT-i engine on board, i think the power:weight ratio is better. Later when the official spec came out, i gonna bet on it.[/quote]
As I said earlier. In term of torque to weight ratio, Perodua MPV (Passo Sette is 1190KG with all the safety equipments, Perodua's should weigh less) is the winner in this comparison as Proton's weight 1442KG. The weight different is about 4 adult.
As for the engine per se. I still think 1.6 CPS is a bit more juicy, at least by a whisker.
if its my own money…will buy this instead of exora. not willing to take risk, but if someone else money…exora is bigger!
[quote comment="232029"][quote comment="231960"][quote comment="231925"][quote comment="231870"]they just try to trick some their fanboy,
that this car also built from scratch in malaysia..
even best story one here as I heard before (from 1 overfanaticp2fan)..
"My uncle work at p2. they said, myvi build and designed by p2…
but because p2 not have money RM1Billion…
they give daihatsu to built it'
something like that..
So!.. Get you fact friends..
This sette was totally designed and built by malaysian!
but p2 not have RM2billion, later they will sold to toyota tooo..
hahahahaha[/quote]
i am totally believe to you, why p2 don't ask RM2billion from taxpayer but to toyota.[/quote]
bmpower….ALL PERODUA CAR'S ARE NOT THEIR OWN…..!this guy think he is smart…my uncle works there la…tu la ni la..FAIRYTALES JE..if datz the case…y didnt all dat cum in da papers la fren….so since ur uncle is 'workin at perodua'…m sure he has a staff number….could you kindly send dat….so dat i can check with my frenz dad(named jacob johnson,works at the p2 plant in rawang in sum post la…neva bothered askin)…so…m waitin 4 da staff num…hope 2 hear form u soon….[/quote]
It's sarcasms lah! haiyaaa[/quote]
sarcasms? that p2 don't have RM2billion from taxpayer.
[quote comment="232036"]This new P2 family will named as MYVi XL coz of more big then MYVi. hahaha….. :)
Terus terang aku katakan yang new P2 nie bukan saingan Exora. Boleh katakan Exora hanya bersaing dengan Lavina & Stream aje dari segi saiz (jangan tengok enjin sebab lain dah tu). Aku baru dapat post dari member kat jepun yang menyatakan sette & lumina target untuk jalan area bandar untuk ambil anak kat sekolah & pegi pasar aje. Dia terkejut yang P2 nak kuarkan model yang sama dengan harga RM66k ?. Apa yang ada kat dalam tu sampai nak jual murah tu ?. Member aku nie jepun, tapi dia tak berapa minat dengan Toyota kecuali AE86 yang atuk dia pakai dulu. Dia lagi suka pakai Honda & Nissan sebab lebih senang kendali & selesa. Dia cukup berminat dengan Exora sebab dari design agak penuhi citarasa pelbagai orang. 1.6L tu tak ada masalah dia kata sebab dari spec yag dia dapat, elok2 untuk satu family jalan jauh tanpa rasa penat. Dia terkejut bila tengok crash test walaupun tu bukan NCAP yang buat tapi tu pun dah tunjukkan yang Exora amat sesuai untuk rakyat Malaysia & pasaran antrabangsa. Stream 1.7L dulu pun x dapat macam tu. Minggu depan dia datang Malaysia sebab urusan perniagaan kat malaysia. Dia nak test Exora tu. Aku nak tau gak apa jepun sorang nie nak kata plak. (Kat jepun dia pakai Skyline GTR baru). Syok dia kata. :)[/quote]
exora cuma boleh bersaing dengan saiznya yang besar itu dengan Lavina dan Stream. Pasal engine, boleh tukar mitsubishi 2.4L macam cherry marr. kereta cuma perlukan saiz dan kuasa kuda sahaja, apakata bakai 10 ekor kuda untuk menarik kereta kuda besar? sette sememangnya target pada perempuan(lihatlah iklan dekat jepun), wish yang sebanarnya untuk orang ramai(lihat lagilah iklan dekat jepun). mira(viva) cuma untuk remaja sahaja. tapi sampai dekat malaysia sudah lain jadi. kenapanya? sebab kita tidak ada duit perlebihan bayar tax untuk beli kereta besar?
[quote comment="232174"]oh my god, it does look like a streched version of the viva[/quote]
no, is mini wish.
[quote comment="232298"]I wonder does those Perodua basher is paid by Proton and those Proton basher is paid by Perodua…
Since BN is paying a lot of bloggers and hackers to give BN a "good" feel in their campaign in winning back those voter in cyberwar?!?[/quote]
Why yes, Perodua is a bunch of noobs dunno how to make own car. Kerja rebadge je. There, I've just bashed P2, got a problem with that?
Dato'!! Hantar check RM9,000,000 kat kolej saya ya? terima kasih!!
[quote comment="231648"]finally something more substantial compared to hyped up Exora. Rathe settle for something proven. Who cares bout RND? I mean… Proton has RND and I admit it's good, but Toyota has impeccable reliability… not a "Proton basher" or wherever that name came from.. but I did take a look at the Exora.. it was awfully made.. sharp edges of rough plastic.. flimsy rear wiper… lots more.. sigh..[/quote]
are u think b4 ur wrote?? or u jz dont hv any gut to think?? RND is all abt everything.. if we dont hv RND, our world will dull as ur comment. no new thing, nothing… pls go to school kid!!
i saw the ixola……wat another dissapointmentlah……cheap plastic….cheap fabric…..low qualities' material…..in the car…ugly rear design….full of shit!!!!!better go P2
[quote comment="232296"]Still got guys still bashing about CPS & VVT-i…
If you said that CPS is good, than how about those Japanese VTEC or MIVEC?
Besides that the CPS torque is the same as G.Livina 1.6L engine 150Nm. Check the facts!
What Proton lack is the power:weight ratio! Do you all learn maths in school?!?
If Perodua MPV is under 1200kg and have 1.5L VVT-i engine on board, i think the power:weight ratio is better. Later when the official spec came out, i gonna bet on it.[/quote]
hi little fire, based on ur comments, its like that u r an automotive engineer :-) just checking….i already explain detailing on the power issue because it is not only based on power to weight ratio only. since u always stress on power to weight ratio, dont u know that power to weight ratio is about horse power per weight of vehicle, it is not about the torque per weight. since the day one u still babbling about power to weight ratio but u still didnt understand the meaning of power to weight ratio. i think i'll already explain enough on power aspect previously, just check my post earlier. dont u think proton never pitch the others mpvs head to head with exora in proton tracks and other tracks. the result is classify, u must understand that. if u have oppoertunity, try to picth head to head exora with others in its segment but u must make sure that the people on board must be the same and exora engine must clock more than 3000km. ok…adios
[quote comment="231925"][quote comment="231870"]they just try to trick some their fanboy,
that this car also built from scratch in malaysia..
even best story one here as I heard before (from 1 overfanaticp2fan)..
"My uncle work at p2. they said, myvi build and designed by p2…
but because p2 not have money RM1Billion…
they give daihatsu to built it'
something like that..
So!.. Get you fact friends..
This sette was totally designed and built by malaysian!
but p2 not have RM2billion, later they will sold to toyota tooo..
hahahahaha[/quote]
i am totally believe to you, why p2 don't ask RM2billion from taxpayer but to toyota.[/quote]
Funny dude.. As i know, Toyota using P2 as their hub for dumping their old tech model in japan and go into Malaysia market with refreshing new bumper look and sell it's damn overpriced for 'kikis' Malaysian fellas monies… Do u really think that Toyota will give P2 RM2billion for R&D? after their "bersusah payah nak ambik duit kita bawa balik ke jepun utk support ekonomi diaorg.. come on.. be realistic.. So, if u really think that P2 don't have any connection with tax payers money, then P2 don't need "RM 5,000 voluntary scrapping incentive under RM 60 billion Mini Budget 2009" scheme..
Rebadging new 2009 model of sette/luminas mean, P2 are desperate to gain Malaysia nowadays market share. As we can see that Persona's already slowing Myvi sales and Saga's already kicking Viva into the drain.. When Exora is coming, it's will buried both of this P2 models..P2 & Toyota realized this and they will do what ever it's take to stop this being happen.. RM66k for this MPV is quite cheap but don't know about the gadgets.. but remember, Proton still have their final weapon.. Exora MT still not in market yet and CamPro CPS Turbo engine still in progress..
[quote comment="232520"]As i know, Toyota using P2 as their hub for dumping their old tech model in japan and go into Malaysia market with refreshing new bumper look[/quote]
correction..
Daihatsu using P2 as their hub for dumping their old tech model in japan and go into Malaysia market with refreshing new bumper look.. Don't think that just Proton selling an ages model, Daihatsu doing it's as well with their old model in Malaysia market.. Dont think that Toyota will easily give P2 RM2billion for R&D after their hardly to gain it's from the Malaysians since everybody know what is Japanese mindsets…
[quote comment="232520"][quote comment="231925"][quote comment="231870"]they just try to trick some their fanboy,
that this car also built from scratch in malaysia..
even best story one here as I heard before (from 1 overfanaticp2fan)..
"My uncle work at p2. they said, myvi build and designed by p2…
but because p2 not have money RM1Billion…
they give daihatsu to built it'
something like that..
So!.. Get you fact friends..
This sette was totally designed and built by malaysian!
but p2 not have RM2billion, later they will sold to toyota tooo..
hahahahaha[/quote]
i am totally believe to you, why p2 don't ask RM2billion from taxpayer but to toyota.[/quote]
Funny dude.. As i know, Toyota using P2 as their hub for dumping their old tech model in japan and go into Malaysia market with refreshing new bumper look and sell it's damn overpriced for 'kikis' Malaysian fellas monies… Do u really think that Toyota will give P2 RM2billion for R&D? after their "bersusah payah nak ambik duit kita bawa balik ke jepun utk support ekonomi diaorg.. come on.. be realistic.. So, if u really think that P2 don't have any connection with tax payers money, then P2 don't need "RM 5,000 voluntary scrapping incentive under RM 60 billion Mini Budget 2009" scheme..
Rebadging new 2009 model of sette/luminas mean, P2 are desperate to gain Malaysia nowadays market share. As we can see that Persona's already slowing Myvi sales and Saga's already kicking Viva into the drain.. When Exora is coming, it's will buried both of this P2 models..P2 & Toyota realized this and they will do what ever it's take to stop this being happen.. RM66k for this MPV is quite cheap but don't know about the gadgets.. but remember, Proton still have their final weapon.. Exora MT still not in market yet and CamPro CPS Turbo engine still in progress..[/quote]
I am agree with you that myvi and outdate viva are bloody overprice. thanks to p1 give us their latest technologist. why p2 still rebadging daihatsu's old model – viva(mira), kenari(move)? exorer better wait and see the up coming exora MT, turbo because the old exora will drop price easily.
[quote comment="231868"][quote comment="231850"]Proton R&D = Researched Development
Perodua R&D = Received & Deliver[/quote]
exactly..!!!!![/quote]
Or P2 R&D = Rebadge & Deliver
[quote comment="232556"][quote comment="231868"][quote comment="231850"]Proton R&D = Researched Development
Perodua R&D = Received & Deliver[/quote]
exactly..!!!!![/quote]
Or P2 R&D = Rebadge & Deliver[/quote]
Agree with you on that. But as long as the MPV priced reasonably cheap, not many will care whos doing the R&D.
Datang pulak pesaing MPV dari perodua! Jaga-jaga, proton! Pasti persaingan sengit akan berlaku! Hehehe…
SUPREME!!! XD
[quote comment="232270"][quote comment="232252"]Kalau nak kira semua kereta ada problem. Member aku bgtau BM yang assemble kat sini pun sama jer.[/quote]
Kiranya yg bersalah bkn kete, tapi orang yang pasang kete. Dah BM yang assembled kat M'sia ni (ade ke BM pasang kat sini? Bkn Merc?) pon sama ade problem….suruh mat bangla keje kilang Proton ok kot?[/quote]
BMW kat Shah Alam near Toyota kot…is that truck lorry assembler at shah Alam?
[quote comment="232556"][quote comment="231868"][quote comment="231850"]Proton R&D = Researched Development
Perodua R&D = Received & Deliver[/quote]
exactly..!!!!![/quote]
Or P2 R&D = Rebadge & Deliver[/quote]
R&D = ReDESIGN and Deliver.
for those who said p2 car is overprice.. i think its berpatutan.. and i heard ppl said its becoz of d goverment tax too.. gvrment protect p1 maa.. if p2's price is cheaper, with better quality than p1, comfirm la p1 bungkus.. huhu
we can see obviously p2 copy daihatsu model, but ppl dont realy know dat p1 model's was not design by p1 R&D.. maybe its same like saga BLM which designed by LG.. huhu.. so fair..both is the same.. haha
emm.. i do agree with some comment. hahaha R&D; rebadge & deliver huh? maybe.. =) but my lecturer alwiz said; "To copy is not to cheat, To copy is to Learn".. i think dats wat R&D p2 or p1 did..learn others technology. maybe they can stay alone 1 day.. its all for malaysian generation too.. dont juz blame..lets have some positive thinking man!!
[quote comment="232539"]I am agree with you that myvi and outdate viva are bloody overprice. thanks to p1 give us their latest technologist. why p2 still rebadging daihatsu's old model – viva(mira), kenari(move)? exorer better wait and see the up coming exora MT, turbo because the old exora will drop price easily.[/quote]
Why P2 rebadging daihatsu's old model? i quess, many ppls knew this answer. i quest u know ROI right? after archive ROI and earned their targeting profits or when the market need a new model (3 years on market may look an ages for each model), they will stopping the production of mira.. (selepas semua modal R&D dan lain2 lagi termasuk untung dah tercapai). When it's came to Malaysia market, Mira still a fresh looking car and rebadged as Viva, b'coz P2 dont have a capability to developing a car from stretch..
So, this is their 'lubuk emas' b'coz it's will automatically extended the sales of their old model for next 4-5 years in the new market.. the longer old model still on demand and sell well, that mean the higher profits they will earned.. why? after mira model already archive ROI, that mean viva dont need any R&D b'coz it's using mira as platform.. maybe only R&D for new bumper and headlamp.. and including logo :) .. so, RM35k is a 100% profits, no need to cover R&D investment and just cover the material costs that were be used.. so the rest is P2 and D profit.. Same cases with Kenari and Kelisa.. let's think, how many monies that fly away from our country?
p/s: Suzuki still selling their ages model, Maruti 800 over the decades in India and that model still selling well until last year.. And look like Tata Nano will reduce Maruti market share after it's launch this year.. :) and fyi, our 1st production Saga in the 80's is look much better than Maruti 800…
[quote comment="232693"]emm.. i do agree with some comment. hahaha R&D; rebadge & deliver huh? maybe.. =) but my lecturer alwiz said; "To copy is not to cheat, To copy is to Learn".. i think dats wat R&D p2 or p1 did..learn others technology. maybe they can stay alone 1 day.. its all for malaysian generation too.. dont juz blame..lets have some positive thinking man!![/quote]
Copy is copying, Learn is learning.. if u copying, u cant learn anything b'coz u do not learning from the basic, so u don't know the basic, just know how to copy and paste… If u're Learning, u learning start from basic and start to know everything from the basic and can make it's by urself bcoz u know how to make it… so, it's different.. ;).. byk betul basic ni? apada…
Yea, tell ur lecturer copy is good.. then tell him don't get angry when u copy the answer from ur fren when exam bcoz it's not to cheat, just to learn something.. Learn and try to answering the questions by urself is bad? huh? pening kepala aku…
[quote comment="232710"][quote comment="232693"]emm.. i do agree with some comment. hahaha R&D; rebadge & deliver huh? maybe.. =) but my lecturer alwiz said; "To copy is not to cheat, To copy is to Learn".. i think dats wat R&D p2 or p1 did..learn others technology. maybe they can stay alone 1 day.. its all for malaysian generation too.. dont juz blame..lets have some positive thinking man!![/quote]
Copy is copying, Learn is learning.. if u copying, u cant learn anything b'coz u do not learning from the basic, so u don't know the basic, just know how to copy and paste… If u're Learning, u learning start from basic and start to know everything from the basic and can make it's by urself bcoz u know how to make it… so, it's different.. ;).. byk betul basic ni? apada…
Yea, tell ur lecturer copy is good.. then tell him don't get angry when u copy the answer from ur fren when exam bcoz it's not to cheat, just to learn something.. Learn and try to answering the questions by urself is bad? huh? pening kepala aku…[/quote]
God, lollipop must've had the kindest lecturer ever. Copying is learning?! There's a thing called "plagiarism". It's an offence serious enough to warrant u to get expelled……
P2 cars are cunningly priced if u ask me. There's this u get what u paid for feel to it. Personally, I wouldn't mind forking out just a few k more to get a Proton. At least I get something that gives me confidence when driving (Lotus handling is the best after all and it's not a tin milo anymore. On the contrary, P2 cars are today's tin milo) :) Bt since msian so kiasu, couldn't be bother by these kind of safety that proton offers n think that twin airbags n ABS is everything, they'd go for P2. sigh……
Perodua congratulations for delevering reliable cars to us here ! At least for RM40K it is equipped with dua air bags, ABS and EBD. Now, the the car manufacturers are moving towards accident prevention technology. No doubt strong body frame is important but if you can avoid an accident, don't you want as a driver and passengers? Engine using timing chain, huh huh lower maintenance. Can't wait for this MPV to roll out and take off. Tahniah.
[quote comment="232803"]
God, lollipop must've had the kindest lecturer ever. Copying is learning?! There's a thing called "plagiarism". It's an offence serious enough to warrant u to get expelled……
P2 cars are cunningly priced if u ask me. There's this u get what u paid for feel to it. Personally, I wouldn't mind forking out just a few k more to get a Proton. At least I get something that gives me confidence when driving (Lotus handling is the best after all and it's not a tin milo anymore. On the contrary, P2 cars are today's tin milo) :) Bt since msian so kiasu, couldn't be bother by these kind of safety that proton offers n think that twin airbags n ABS is everything, they'd go for P2. sigh……[/quote]
Yea, the best and kindest lecturer ever.. :) i wish i had this kind of lecturer when i'm still in 'U' before…
One more thing Lollipop.. If u're copying, u cannot detect an error.. of source had an error, so u end up with pasting the error.. If u're learning, u know the basic, so u can detect an error and be able to fixed it. Same as cheating in exam, copying ur fren 'wrong answers' and u will end up giving a wrong answers too. If u learning a studying properly, then u will be able to answering the question properly and correctly… that the fact, copy is copying and learn is learning.. unless, copying to learn how to become a cheater..
Tokmoh, maybe they think that when twin airbags deploying, it's can support the cabin from being crush.. same boat with u, extra a bit RM$$ for extra safety feature… :) long live tjcc, long live proton!! ;)
[quote comment="232623"][quote comment="232270"][quote comment="232252"]Kalau nak kira semua kereta ada problem. Member aku bgtau BM yang assemble kat sini pun sama jer.[/quote]
Kiranya yg bersalah bkn kete, tapi orang yang pasang kete. Dah BM yang assembled kat M'sia ni (ade ke BM pasang kat sini? Bkn Merc?) pon sama ade problem….suruh mat bangla keje kilang Proton ok kot?[/quote]
BMW kat Shah Alam near Toyota kot…is that truck lorry assembler at shah Alam?[/quote]
Near Toyota? It's Volvo.
Near Toyota? Volvo la tu…
[quote comment="232923"][quote comment="232803"]
God, lollipop must've had the kindest lecturer ever. Copying is learning?! There's a thing called "plagiarism". It's an offence serious enough to warrant u to get expelled……
P2 cars are cunningly priced if u ask me. There's this u get what u paid for feel to it. Personally, I wouldn't mind forking out just a few k more to get a Proton. At least I get something that gives me confidence when driving (Lotus handling is the best after all and it's not a tin milo anymore. On the contrary, P2 cars are today's tin milo) :) Bt since msian so kiasu, couldn't be bother by these kind of safety that proton offers n think that twin airbags n ABS is everything, they'd go for P2. sigh……[/quote]
Yea, the best and kindest lecturer ever.. :) i wish i had this kind of lecturer when i'm still in 'U' before…
One more thing Lollipop.. If u're copying, u cannot detect an error.. of source had an error, so u end up with pasting the error.. If u're learning, u know the basic, so u can detect an error and be able to fixed it. Same as cheating in exam, copying ur fren 'wrong answers' and u will end up giving a wrong answers too. If u learning a studying properly, then u will be able to answering the question properly and correctly… that the fact, copy is copying and learn is learning.. unless, copying to learn how to become a cheater..
Tokmoh, maybe they think that when twin airbags deploying, it's can support the cabin from being crush.. same boat with u, extra a bit RM$$ for extra safety feature… :) long live tjcc, long live proton!! ;)[/quote]
p2 should re-badge the not milo tin corolla axio, let p1 sedan gone suddenly.
copy is cheat in exam for student. p2 copy for us to easy own a cheap daihatsu/toyota car. tjcc need p1 to live longer, please help p1.
[quote comment="232693"]for those who said p2 car is overprice.. i think its berpatutan.. and i heard ppl said its becoz of d goverment tax too.. gvrment protect p1 maa.. if p2's price is cheaper, with better quality than p1, comfirm la p1 bungkus.. huhu
we can see obviously p2 copy daihatsu model, but ppl dont realy know dat p1 model's was not design by p1 R&D.. maybe its same like saga BLM which designed by LG.. huhu.. so fair..both is the same.. haha
emm.. i do agree with some comment. hahaha R&D; rebadge & deliver huh? maybe.. =) but my lecturer alwiz said; "To copy is not to cheat, To copy is to Learn".. i think dats wat R&D p2 or p1 did..learn others technology. maybe they can stay alone 1 day.. its all for malaysian generation too.. dont juz blame..lets have some positive thinking man!![/quote]
i agree with you. in fact, we are very outdate "if" compare with other cars. p1&p2 need copying and learning at the same time. manufacture no need school lecturer and exam in paper work.
[quote comment="232704"]
Why P2 rebadging daihatsu's old model? i quess, many ppls knew this answer. i quest u know ROI right? after archive ROI and earned their targeting profits or when the market need a new model (3 years on market may look an ages for each model), they will stopping the production of mira.. (selepas semua modal R&D dan lain2 lagi termasuk untung dah tercapai). When it's came to Malaysia market, Mira still a fresh looking car and rebadged as Viva, b'coz P2 dont have a capability to developing a car from stretch..
So, this is their 'lubuk emas' b'coz it's will automatically extended the sales of their old model for next 4-5 years in the new market.. the longer old model still on demand and sell well, that mean the higher profits they will earned.. why? after mira model already archive ROI, that mean viva dont need any R&D b'coz it's using mira as platform.. maybe only R&D for new bumper and headlamp.. and including logo :) .. so, RM35k is a 100% profits, no need to cover R&D investment and just cover the material costs that were be used.. so the rest is P2 and D profit.. Same cases with Kenari and Kelisa.. let's think, how many monies that fly away from our country?
p/s: Suzuki still selling their ages model, Maruti 800 over the decades in India and that model still selling well until last year.. And look like Tata Nano will reduce Maruti market share after it's launch this year.. :) and fyi, our 1st production Saga in the 80's is look much better than Maruti 800…[/quote]
so, please p2 re-badge the latest model(sonica, tanto, terios kid, atrai, coo, altis), i will bash p2 if re-badge the old model again. i don't care where my money fly to, i just want a best car.
p2 doing the testing?
I heard the testing done at DMC even for the localized part.
Even design approval came from DMC.
if u are looking for spacious & good handling(inherit from their predecessor) mpv better not to wait for this one.
making a car is not simple like make "kuih" or cake..
eventhough people keep telling that p2 is 'tukar bumper' & 'tampal bagde',
but still a lot of msian buy it..people who buy p2 car knew what is good about that car, so on with people who buy p1 cars..still msian choice is p2 cars..
quality is the main factor, but please re-consider the price. if u want a high class safety but with low cost, any car maker will bancrupt maa..most msians admire nice looking car with many fancy features and of course, cheaper price!!
i'm not vote for p1 or p2,but what is main reason when u want to buy a car?
that's u need to think!!
maybe p2 better….p1 ok but takut kualiti…tgk org pakai dulu…hiihii
tmpat duduk pemandu for exora kecik..tak selesa for long journey…..
[quote comment="232803"]
P2 cars are cunningly priced if u ask me. There's this u get what u paid for feel to it. Personally, I wouldn't mind forking out just a few k more to get a Proton. At least I get something that gives me confidence when driving (Lotus handling is the best after all and it's not a tin milo anymore. On the contrary, P2 cars are today's tin milo) :) Bt since msian so kiasu, couldn't be bother by these kind of safety that proton offers n think that twin airbags n ABS is everything, they'd go for P2. sigh……[/quote]
Lotus handling better than ABS?with EBD & Brake Assist? with VSC and TRC?
why p2 D46T is milo tin too, with the safely features?
TAF(Total Advanced Function):
Collision Safety Body
Pedestrian Injury Reduction Body
SOFI(Safety-Oriented Friendly Interior):
6 Airbag System
SRS(Supplemental Restraint System)
Dynamic Support Headrest
ISO FIX compatible child seat bar & top tether anchors
Pre-Tensioner & Force Limiter Mechanism with the front 3-point ELR seat belts
Active Safely:
ABS?with EBD & Brake Assist?
VSC(Vehicle Stability Control)
TRC(Traction Control)
Discharge Headlamps
*EBD(Electronic Brake force Distribution)
http://www.daihatsu.co.jp/lineup/boon_luminas/saf… http://toyota.jp/passosette/safety/active/index.h… http://toyota.jp/passosette/safety/passive/index….
[quote comment="232963"]p2 should re-badge the not milo tin corolla axio, let p1 sedan gone suddenly.
copy is cheat in exam for student. p2 copy for us to easy own a cheap daihatsu/toyota car. tjcc need p1 to live longer, please help p1.[/quote]
P2 copy an old model to cheat malaysians and claim it's as a new tech.. Toyota and Daihasu use P2 as hub for dumping their old model and squeezing malaysian fellas monies with their damn hell overpriced rebadge old tech model and bring along our money back to japan.. Previous rebadged P2 model are made from "OLD TOOLING TOOL" but still selling with ridicolous prices.. Easy to own toyota car but using our local meterial? No doubt the quality is similar with proton cars..
[quote comment="232983"]so, please p2 re-badge the latest model(sonica, tanto, terios kid, atrai, coo, altis), i will bash p2 if re-badge the old model again. i don't care where my money fly to, i just want a best car.[/quote]
The reason Japanese didn't want our P2 rebadge their new model was, they dont want we have their latest technology.. Getting their new tecnology mean, P2 can compete with them at oversea markets.. they just want P2 stay under them as long as they can.. pernah dgr ttg guru silat tidak akan memberi 100% jurus kepada muridnya? kenapa? he afraid that his pupils will fight him back..
I do care where my money fly to other country.. i dont want sooo many our monies fly away out from our country and that will effect malaysia's economy.. i dont want malaysia become a poor country just bcoz we want a better car..
[quote comment="233046"][quote comment="232963"]p2 should re-badge the not milo tin corolla axio, let p1 sedan gone suddenly.
copy is cheat in exam for student. p2 copy for us to easy own a cheap daihatsu/toyota car. tjcc need p1 to live longer, please help p1.[/quote]
P2 copy an old model to cheat malaysians and claim it's as a new tech.. Toyota and Daihasu use P2 as hub for dumping their old model and squeezing malaysian fellas monies with their damn hell overpriced rebadge old tech model and bring along our money back to japan.. Previous rebadged P2 model are made from "OLD TOOLING TOOL" but still selling with ridicolous prices.. Easy to own toyota car but using our local meterial? No doubt the quality is similar with proton cars..[/quote]
thanks to proton nismo give me the fact, p2 cheats our money with old tooling tool/old molding tool. easy to re-badge without hardworking. it should lowerprice because made in Malaysia. but what the different with our local material compare with japan's material? isn't the same material too. with the copy & paste tooling i think the quality same as the original… or you have a local lousy mindset in your body too, thanks to bmpower, i have put out lousy mindset from my lousy body.
[quote comment="233052"]
The reason Japanese didn't want our P2 rebadge their new model was, they dont want we have their latest technology.. Getting their new tecnology mean, P2 can compete with them at oversea markets.. they just want P2 stay under them as long as they can.. pernah dgr ttg guru silat tidak akan memberi 100% jurus kepada muridnya? kenapa? he afraid that his pupils will fight him back..
I do care where my money fly to other country.. i dont want sooo many our monies fly away out from our country and that will effect malaysia's economy.. i dont want malaysia become a poor country just bcoz we want a better car..[/quote]
Malaysia automarket is different. toyota need p2 to entry malaysia witout G tax. cuma perlu buat perjanjian dengan p2 biar ia cuma boleh duduk di malaysia sahaja, tak perlulah takut ia lebak kat luar negara.
our money are flying everywhere everyday, money can flying back if you could. or not, better stay in the bank account. that's no reason that will become a poor country just because we want a better car, isn't p1 has better than time ago. but pleaselah, i want the proton galant fortis sportback.
[quote comment="232037"]anyway …eastar 2.4 is better ..my family love it….hope to buy another MPV…like P2 ….[/quote]
The only thing better ion the Eastar is the engine. Look at the miserable 1 star NCAP crash test on YouTube and let me know if you or your family wants to ride in it again. In this case, size doesn't matter as the cabin offers no real protection.
Maybe Exora wasn't such a bad idea after all?
[quote comment="233053"][quote comment="233046"][quote comment="232963"]p2 should re-badge the not milo tin corolla axio, let p1 sedan gone suddenly.
copy is cheat in exam for student. p2 copy for us to easy own a cheap daihatsu/toyota car. tjcc need p1 to live longer, please help p1.[/quote]
P2 copy an old model to cheat malaysians and claim it's as a new tech.. Toyota and Daihasu use P2 as hub for dumping their old model and squeezing malaysian fellas monies with their damn hell overpriced rebadge old tech model and bring along our money back to japan.. Previous rebadged P2 model are made from "OLD TOOLING TOOL" but still selling with ridicolous prices.. Easy to own toyota car but using our local meterial? No doubt the quality is similar with proton cars..[/quote]
thanks to proton nismo give me the fact, p2 cheats our money with old tooling tool/old molding tool. easy to re-badge without hardworking. it should lowerprice because made in Malaysia. but what the different with our local material compare with japan's material? isn't the same material too. with the copy & paste tooling i think the quality same as the original… or you have a local lousy mindset in your body too, thanks to bmpower, i have put out lousy mindset from my lousy body.[/quote]
duhh.. do u ever own or test drive or even sat inside Japan car for while? do u mean that local meterial is similar with japan's meterial? if u really think that the quality P2 is the same with D and T? then why did kelisa had been destroy by Jeremy Clarkson meanwhile he didn't doing the same thing with D Coure? and why did ppls in UK more prefer passo/boon rather than myvi eventho myvi is cheaper and if P2 really didn't trim down myvi gadgets? can i know? this question came from my lousy mindset.. inside my lousy body.. ;)
If u photostate a book, is the copy quality similar with the ori one? No and why? bcoz that book is produce in a big factory with a better machine meanwhile the copy came from a small tiny photostate machine.. Passo came from big company meanwhile P2 was a small company that produce myvi..
u know a frog under coconut shell? it thinking with a small hole that it peeping out.. for it, it's the real world and that all world must obey…
[quote comment="233080"][quote comment="233052"]
The reason Japanese didn't want our P2 rebadge their new model was, they dont want we have their latest technology.. Getting their new tecnology mean, P2 can compete with them at oversea markets.. they just want P2 stay under them as long as they can.. pernah dgr ttg guru silat tidak akan memberi 100% jurus kepada muridnya? kenapa? he afraid that his pupils will fight him back..
I do care where my money fly to other country.. i dont want sooo many our monies fly away out from our country and that will effect malaysia's economy.. i dont want malaysia become a poor country just bcoz we want a better car..[/quote]
Malaysia automarket is different. toyota need p2 to entry malaysia witout G tax. cuma perlu buat perjanjian dengan p2 biar ia cuma boleh duduk di malaysia sahaja, tak perlulah takut ia lebak kat luar negara.
our money are flying everywhere everyday, money can flying back if you could. or not, better stay in the bank account. that's no reason that will become a poor country just because we want a better car, isn't p1 has better than time ago. but pleaselah, i want the proton galant fortis sportback.[/quote]
Yeah, toyota need p2 as hub to dumping their old model w/o G tax.. that the way they can make a big money.. just make a deal and try to squeezing our $$ by selling substandard car with expensive prices…
yes our money flying away everywhere now, but it's in small amount.. remember, "kereta adalah benda yg kedua termahal selepas rumah" .. with proton, M'sian can prevent a lot $$ from flying away out from our country.. try to take indon as eg.. they can buy vios with a cheaper price than malaysia.. but their country are poor.. the amount money that fly away is more than amount money that came back.. they are too depending on foreign car so the monies is too much fly away.. then the way to make sure the monies came back is by selling a toy car.. impose a low tax for import cars but they also have a corruption in other way.. i dont know what it is..
[quote comment="233245"]duhh.. do u ever own or test drive or even sat inside Japan car for while? do u mean that local meterial is similar with japan's meterial? if u really think that the quality P2 is the same with D and T? then why did kelisa had been destroy by Jeremy Clarkson meanwhile he didn't doing the same thing with D Coure? and why did ppls in UK more prefer passo/boon rather than myvi eventho myvi is cheaper and if P2 really didn't trim down myvi gadgets? can i know? this question came from my lousy mindset.. inside my lousy body.. ;)[/quote]
want to adding more Perusahaan Otomobil keTiga…
i quess u know Chery QQ is a copied version of Daewoo Matiz/Chevy Spark am i right? Chery QQ using meterial from china, meanwhile Daewoo Matiz/Chevy Spark was Korea.. my question is, why did QQ crash test is worse than Matiz/Spark eventho QQ copying 100% chasis/plafform design? not to mention the quality.. just my lousy question my fren..
ok, proton nismo, you win. p2 lousy than p1.
[quote comment="233407"]ok, proton nismo, you win. p2 lousy than p1.[/quote]
My name is not nismo.. my nickname 'Prismo', base on my parents company + my name.. dont be confused.. ;)
ok gang, i understood. Produa and proton, each has its own purpose. what is important it is malaysian car. sape nak kete besar boleh beli proton MPV, kalau nak kete kecik sikit,amik lah produa MPV. if u have more money, just buy imported car.
infinity said,
April 19, 2009 @ 11:09 pm · Reply with quote
proton only launched the auto version of exora and keep the manual version..i believe this is a marketing strategy by proton…
before (or on the date, or after) perodua launch this mpv at RM66k or lower..Proton will announce the manual version at 65k (M-line)…then maybe another L-line or exora lite, or B-line..at RM59,998..
smart proton….hahha..
this MPV will somewat kill avanza..even though avanza is bigger, but the price is higher, its handling not as good and it’s dated..maybe perodua should rebadge avanza as theirs, and this upcoming MPV will be using toyota’s badge..so avanza can sell cheaper and this mpv can sell higher price..
Hello Infinity what nonsense are you talking about "Avanza is bigger than Exora". Get your facts right first maaa before you say anything. If i remember correctly Exora is actually longer and wider than Innova friend
Exora is over priced, or our government tax is too high. Cherry Easter 2.4cc having more features are almost same price with Exora. No matter how good you said about Exora, it is not value for money.
[quote comment="234853"]Exora is over priced, or our government tax is too high. Cherry Easter 2.4cc having more features are almost same price with Exora. No matter how good you said about Exora, it is not value for money.[/quote]
True too overpriced….middle income earner can't afford to buy it as the monthly installment alone will be a burden.
[quote comment="235158"][quote comment="234853"]Exora is over priced, or our government tax is too high. Cherry Easter 2.4cc having more features are almost same price with Exora. No matter how good you said about Exora, it is not value for money.[/quote]
True too overpriced….middle income earner can't afford to buy it as the monthly installment alone will be a burden.[/quote]
both of u know why Chery Eastar almost the same price with Exora? that b'coz Eastar was a CKD unit. The locally assembled Chery Eastar MPVs will roll out of Oriental Assembler Sdn Bhd’s plant in Johor, but a new CKD plant will be up and running in Pekan, Pahang by the end of 2009. And CBU unit were called Chery B240.. if both of u think that Eastar was value for ur money, than go for it.. it's ur money.. ur choice..
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-UuiK6Tu_p38/pero…
lawa jugak mpv pero2 ni
proton pun ok jugak
tapi xde ke enjinn lain selain dr campro?
mcm dah xde idea je
nak jual balik nanti mesti xde harga
hampeh betul!!!!!!
Yup,..I also agreed that, dah pakai 2 years pas nak jual dah x ader harga beb!..Interest pun lum habis. Camner ni??..Tu ler, bikin MPV tp yang pegi pakai engine campro tu pehal? Dah ler engine x tau camner, 1.6 plak! Hampeh!…At least taruk engine Putra 1.8 lagi baik kut??…
bila sebenar agaknya mpv ni nak launch?
as the first impression to me,,
both mpv have their adv & dis adv.
d46T have toyota dna. Malaysian thinking p2=daihatsu = toyota.
Malaysian style: like to have body kit same as mother country. this will make it easy to salesman to promote about body kit, spare part, kedai potong(barang ori jepun)
exora have adv in term of malaysian spirit who want to explore about proton achievement. everything in exore totally new & original from malaysian to malaysian.
this is the major diff we can see in this battle of sale! price or pride! nothing wrong.
No need for perodua to have the sweat to develop this MPV…just a waste of time..
If you want to crash and burn just buy any perodua products…
Japanese technology konon..
Take and copy boleh laaaaaa…
[quote]No need for perodua to have the sweat to develop this MPV…just a waste of time..
If you want to crash and burn just buy any perodua products…
Japanese technology konon..
Take and copy boleh laaaaaa…
[/quote]
What is the objective of Tun Mahathir launch Perodua on 94?
is it for them to copy? make japan conquere malaysia?
kill people? take ur money and give it to japan?
cmon lar…Tun Mahathir can't be that stupid..
atleast with the birth of P2 it give working oppurtunity for 10K ++ M'sian and other people also from their local vendors…
just think about it…
Regardless P2 or P! is the same, both are not 100% malaysian, Perhaps P@ use more component from local. But ner forget the component not 100% malaysia make alsooo… there is china..korea and so on….
Up to buyer to make decision which is better for your own use…
Please stop arguing on dis matter…..an dperhaps P2 also need to be transparent on dis. Don't claimed u are 100% malaysia product maaa…
whatever it is…i'm looking for a car that i afford to buy…that's all matter to me. wether it is not 100% malaysia product or not, who cares…it's my money anyway…why turn it into a big issue. if u want to buy it go ahead, if u don't just shut your mouth while watching others buy it…
"Malaysia always BOLEH!…right?"
i will buy this car as soon i can do it becouse the car look beautiful and look more people can sit in this car.
domoi depan macam New Wish 2009
Nothing is perfect..Even International cars have it's own problem…just look only want you need..P2 or Exora no different. Support our local cars so they can improve and logic comments
Wow,this model of P2 will up succesfully.i fall in love since look at the released today.
eventhough this is a model which copy from Daihatsu it's really nice look inside and out for sure.Whatever some ppl say the outlook lil ugly but still have attractive form than Exora.
Believe me after this,this model will get nice upgrade touching and will become king on the road.
Just imaged this model in vip style with white/black colour, polish rims,lowered,tinted glass(make it simple) oouu walla
Oh my goodness,do you all now about proton in newspaper today? Tengku said Poton would release one more new model for ganti that useless waja model and will join adv with Mitsubishi again!
I bet this latest mix model will success fast and beat down another model on the road soon.
As my opinion it's better our local car manufacturer join with Japan company than europ,Better built and quality,nice look than Renault/Savvy, Lotus/Gen-2 and can get cheap price for the spare part also..
So after this when p1join back with Mitsu no need to pening kepala when use our local car like as Wira and Saga Megavalve before.
I agree to support Proton after this.
mpv perodua huh ?!
salam semua,kenapa tidak di sediakan dengan rim 17? kenapa selalu hanya dapat 15? kan nampak gah kalo di padankan dengan rim 17?
my family has owned every car made by proton even the stupid tiara. up untill the perdana v6, despite gearbox problems, i still excepted it, proton came out with the renault engine for waja, i could still take it, but F****ng CAMPRO=bullshit. the most stupidest engine ever to be bought by proton, these idiots have been ""R&D""ing this dumb engine since 1997. and still material defect is there. TO MALAYSIAN GOVERMENT, you making a car for your "rakyat", you screw us with the engines, the other parts of the car, not to mention "WE" the "RAKYAT" have to pay damm taxes for our own country's cars, just so the people ""Upstairs"" has got enough money to keep 2-3 extra girls and go on shopping trips or whatever. you screw us every way possible. now you going to take away our half cut shops, the people of malaysia have been patient all this while, don't push your luck. 100,000 people are going to be jobless come June 2011 because of this, and the goverment wants us to start buying parts from them, a damm petrol filter is going to cost you RM80 where else now you can buy it fo RM12. SO YOU STUPID STUPID PROTON SUPPORTERS, THINK AGAIN. you guys may argue all you want between proton and perodua, i'm a mechanic, i damm well know better. by the way, for those who didn't know, it was PROTON who came out with the letter to propose to the F**king JPJ not to allow engine converts. they know their engines suck, but they still want you to go back to them to get parts. THINK…
count………. told………… lu ,…………. guys
no……….no…………………wat………..it……..is
oit j boy ko beli lah kete lain fu** u wahha kutuk kete malaysia yer ke ko makanik ke mangkuk nik aku ok jerk kete proton aku pakai tak der masalah pun sebab ko servis sendiri lah kete ko rosak lol.. meanwhile tadi baru jerk balik tgk kete alza nak komen ape memang tak berbaloi tok di beli.. to small kaki kene lipat duduk sila kalau ketinggian mcm aku duduk kat belakang.. kalau seat tengah tu ader orag mesti nak adjust ke belakang so sempit, praktickality kete tak der .. dammm for my i for sure not buy this car.. waste mony jerk boot space sejengkal jek kepala hotak die nak bawak 7 man on mpv rubbish rubbish.. perodua stick to small segment car lah.. buat kancil terbo sure u nyer market naik balik lol…. thumb up to exora no mather it base or high spec space memang puas hati perrrrhhh perodua sorry loveu kancil mata segi empat only haih
P1 Fannatik …Please don,t …cakap ,P2 Alza x bagus…sempit
lu cakap mcm x gi sekolah…………..bahlul……….tolol
duduk diam diam lagi baik………..jadi budak baik…….
kalau sedar gi belajar bisness keta……engin .x tau jangan cakap
Paul tan yang pandai bab keta pun takut nak cakap lebih………puji sikit
tapi tak bais pd mana mana……..hormatlah sikit…..
Exora ?? Alza??
dua2 pun ok ikut keperluan masing2.
Secara peribadi…Alza look nice…sesuai dengan jiwa aku. aku dah tempah kereta ni sbb:
– nak jimat minyak..sblm ni dah guna kereta besar ngan cc besar…rasa sakit giler masa harga minyak naik rm2.70.serik ad taknak menyesal lagi sbb aku keje lauh and slalu travel ngan family..alza dah sah2 guna enjin avanza so boleh expect jimat cam avanza..
– nak bawak mak jalan2..anak2 aku duk belakang, biar nenek dia selesa duk tengah..kalau beli sedan tak selesa duk 3 org belakang..and kalau nenek dia tak ikut just lipat sit belakang dah jadi kereta yang luas..aku dah compare dengan avanza, alza dalam dia ok daripada avanza sbb tempat duduk tengan boleh adjust so belakang kaki agak free..kalau avanza belakang mmg tentu2 kaki aku sangkut.
– beli manual primium sbb ciri2 keselamatan -air bag , abs…and lebih menjimatkan daripada auto.aku dah test drive alza auto, rasa macam pickup tak baper ok…manual- service lebih murah. barang perodua senang nak carik kalau nak betulkan sendiri
conclusion..aku pilih mpv kecik ngan cc kecik setelah aku guna mpv besar ngan cc besar…so aku tak nyesal tak amik exora sbb aku dah rasa nyesal bayar duit minyak mahal giler sblm ni..