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A forumer posted photos of a Proton MPV test mule with a Toyota Wish body. Proton is currently performing on-road tests of the new MPV and is either:
a) employing a well known disguise technique of using the body of a similiar vehicle to hide the chassis of a car being tested, or…
b) is currently performing powertrain tests with a body of a similiar weight and size.
The photos show that the interior features a Toyota Wish dashboard with a Proton steering wheel. The interior seems to have a bad fit and finish – weird gaps here and there very atypical of a Toyota.
Look at the area around the left-most air conditioning vent as well as the area where the dash meets the center tunnel which runs between the two front seats. The dash could be looking that way because it has been adapted to fit the Proton MPV’s interior. If you look closely, there’s nothing where the dash-mounted shift lever is supposed to be. There is very likely a Proton powertrain and gearbox under this test mule’s engine bay.
On-road tests with a different body can be done if the air intakes provided by the donor body’s grilles and bumper vents as well as undercarriage design are modified to match amount of air cooling that the final product’s design will give the engine bay. Adding ballasts or stripping unnecessary equipment is done to ensure the final body is the same or similiar weight to the actual product.
Hopefully more photos of the new MPV will surface soon, perhaps later in the year we’ll see some with the actual body.
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nice.so the romours are finally getting true.. and more will surface later…
mule no08…? then got 8 mule already.. maybe someone can get the pic for mule01, 02, 03….07..
so wat’s the price?
if the quality is good, then rakyat will definitely say YES….
hopefully the price is below 100k…
Very exciting…
like sebijik sebulat wish oni?
Yep. No doubt, it is Wish. But this is just a mule model for the purpose of engine & chasis tests only. Hope P1 can come out with better design.
GOOD MOVE!
what they called it???? proton pahlawan! proton hasrat,hajat (wish)! proton intan ,berlian,permata, tak sabar nak tunggu the real design
wah~ very exciting!
from the discussion thread, i prefer the new mpv superchargedly powered.
or maybe proton can offer an mpv with different engine variations (as in caldina) ?
I personally dont like the steering much (used in Gen2, Persona, Savvy, Saga & Neo). Proton should design a better one, cladded with leather.
The current one looks too raw, too plasticky & too bare. Just my opinion. Perodua steering looks a lot better (texture, feel & design).
Wonder if they need permission from Toyota to use their Wish body for testing purpose.
It’s not uncommon for manufacturers to use different model’s skin to test the chassis, drivetrain and engine for their upcoming model, but usually its their own that they use.
But I guess Proton can’t do that as they don’t have a previous MPV that they can base on. I truly wish (no pun intended) the MPV will be more car-based (Stream, Wish, Livina) than van-based (Ria, Innova, Avanza). Let’s see then!
don’t understand y put the P1 one dashboard , steering inside wish ?? n got another prototype model … maybe they wan to mix up this two model … what the name will be ??
Thats what they called as Reverse Engineering!!!
looking at the height of the vehicle, and how the stream body sits on it, looks like its definitely going to be a car based chassis. proton will most likely take this route, since ride and handling is such an important aspect of their dna.
Please, RM100k price mean nothing we much can do with the MPV to take on japanese mid size mpv. Wish Stream all below RM51k in Japan. Better import them, badge engineering them, tuned by Lotus and sell them in proton outlet, use proton moniker ike NAZA did!
Price must be lower, say RM80k to take on Livina, with better spec’ed and more frugal yet equivalent power if not more powerful. Who knows Proton has 150bhp and 200 Newton from 1.6 Supercharger. Mercedes has more than 250Nm from 1.8 in new C-klasse.
Bera in mind, all Livina 1.8 (6.5L/100km), Stream 1.8 Mk II (6.8l) and older Wish 1.8 (6.9l). So, proton must be around that figure as well if not better. To beat lighter and smaller B-segment Livina’s frugality maybe pretty tough BUT Proton can beat Japanese duo. BTW diesel is lovely even outsource while government should increase quality of dirtiest diesel quality in ASEAN (maybe exclude Burma, Laos etc). Even Indonesia ahead us, let alone Thai and Singapore.
i think what the’re trying to do is see what is the smallest engine possible to fit in it for acceptable performance…the size and weight distribution will be like the wish then.
Is this just a rebadging excercise?…or just one that runs off a Toyota chassis with a proton engine?
Now, if this is true and the Wish is the basis of the Proton MPV, then its good then. I’m strangely attracted to the Wish as our next family car. Its one good handling MPV.
4G63T DSM said,
February 27, 2008 @ 10:13 am
Is this just a rebadging excercise?…or just one that runs off a Toyota chassis with a proton engine?
Now, if this is true and the Wish is the basis of the Proton MPV, then its good then. I’m strangely attracted to the Wish as our next family car. Its one good handling MPV.
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Don’t think it’s a rebadging process. Proton is beyond that already, so to speak.
They’ll still use the APX styling but convert it for midsize MPV styling. Imagine APX design on Wish/Stream platform. Nice eh..
Add full fledge 1.8 Campro and standard midsize MPV safety features, and we’ll have a winner for India and China. Even Australia… coz they have cult status for Satria
Me want Si-Fu!
Where are your comment/s bro?
Pls highlight some specs, body cue, etc…
i think this is more on engine capability assestment to its near actual body,
which i belive some of the measurement/dimension of proton mpv own chassis studied or derived from this toyota wish,
Last I heard it’s a delicate balancing act. The engineering/design dept really wants to go all out with the new MPV to show all that can be done – since it’s a clean sheet design with minimal carryover from previous models (except engine) but they have to balance it with with the need to hit the target price.
wait and see…mmmm..
A seven seater Toyota Caldina lookalike. And to cut cost, bare features.
sxe10r said,
February 27, 2008 @ 9:19 am
don’t understand y put the P1 one dashboard , steering inside wish ?? n got another prototype model … maybe they wan to mix up this two model … what the name will be ??
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Proton Hasrat?
Proton is taking the Japanese route; I think it has taken Dr Tun Mahathir’s advise – look to the east.
Tun Dr Mathathir by the way.
MyviKiller, see what you did? Now Paul will have to explain to everyone what a test mule is.. alternatively, check this out
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A development mule or a test mule in the automotive industry is a vehicle equipped with experimental or prototype components for testing. Automakers evaluate aspects of vehicles before a full pre-production car is built to find problems. Mule cars are drivable and may come after concept cars that sometimes lack critical mechanical components.
Mules are often heavily altered and the exteriors may be disguised as current production vehicles or as completely different models. They are most often used very heavily during testing and are scrapped.
So dude, instead of ‘making’ a body for the MPV, Proton decided to use Wish’s shell instead. Same thing.. cheaper what.
wow! since Proton is putting its own chassis/platform and engine under the Wish ‘skin’ for the Mule-Test (he he..) so i can see that the Proton own MPV will have :
1. Spacious cabin – Wish cabin dimension is one of the most spacious in the mid-MPV class
2. Powerful engine – How heavy is a Wish..? Assuming the overall size is very close to the Wish’s dimension with 7-seater arrangement – full 7 adult seats, as mentioned by DSZ in a news conference few weeks back – the power to ewight ration should be good enough to take people around the places!
3. Sporty look with low-slung design – Wish is one of the best looking automobile around. Everybody dream to have one to comfortably accomodate a 2 adults – 3 kids – 1 maid family cuti-cuti journey.
I everything very well done by Proton (no doubt that they can produce a very good looking and sexy road vehicles ) seems like after this Naza has to quickly bring in the latest Carens to stay afloat in the mid-MPV business :)
Hi guys!
Cant tell anything much right now….sorry! All i can say is that currently, the mule is used mainly to choose which engine is the most appropriate to be used and also to decide some other ‘stuffs’. I can’t elobarate further….sorry!
Cheers!
You are an engineer for Proton? Will be interesting to hear stories of how Proton models came to be if not under NDAs.
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Even Livina 1.8 only generates 125hp with 175Nm of torque if I’m not mistaken… so Campro 1.6 with CPS is within the range ( 125-127hp) but need to improve on torque only…
Oh yes, ten months worth of speculation. We better start giving hints and suggestions to Proton for the technical and aesthetics of this vehicle. How exciting to be indirectly part of the development process!
Now, how ’bout some 3D renderings of the Lotus APX conversion on the Wish platform….
jus curious , iz this legal??
i mean did p1 hav to take a legal permission from toyota to do this??
bt looks interesting!
from what i heard…proton will be using the V6 engine first during lauch and a more powerful supercharged/turbocharged engine which is already being tested..can reach up to 173 bhp and 190 plus of torque…but it will be limited to 160 plus bhp but torque will be maintained…the campro cps version is also under consideration but it is less like to be chosen..the force induction engines is still being tested…production ready version will take time…not early 2009…unless they work 24 hours a day…
i dont know how true is my source..but the last time he told about the toyota wish story and all is kinda true..so hope this one is also true…the price is target from rm 69k to rm 81 k…..
Proton please prepared sporty bodykits like toms did for wish…atleast can earn some extra cash….and sell better…
Oh yes, we have 10 months times until the launching date. Hopefully Proton is able to meet the due date (January 2009) as stated before. Anyway, we’ll see those spy shots later this year.
Just please don’t mess up with your first MPV, okay Proton? Be a good one.
a V6 engine, same with Perdana??
would this meant a thirsty Proton MPV?….is this the family guy want? never mind if the engine running with pipe water….haha
fuel price is going up for sure after election….but not immediately for sure…else Najib can eat his own word
mukhri88 said,
February 27, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
MyviKiller, see what you did? Now Paul will have to explain to everyone what a test mule is.. alternatively, check this out
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Test mule)
Jump to: navigation, search
A development mule or a test mule in the automotive industry is a vehicle equipped with experimental or prototype components for testing. Automakers evaluate aspects of vehicles before a full pre-production car is built to find problems. Mule cars are drivable and may come after concept cars that sometimes lack critical mechanical components.
Mules are often heavily altered and the exteriors may be disguised as current production vehicles or as completely different models. They are most often used very heavily during testing and are scrapped.
So dude, instead of ‘making’ a body for the MPV, Proton decided to use Wish’s shell instead. Same thing.. cheaper what.
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Well, just imagine they are using Renault Scenic, then it would be a nightmare at the technical department!!!
That’s what I am talking about.
And straining our Rakyat’s money, not an ideal choice.
Not an ideal choice to use a Scenic as a test mule.
if wish is their benchmark..once again p1 is in right direction…hmmm from the spyshot here i can say that the size weight and dimension of our MPV will be same like wish…they use wish as a model for similarity analysis….testing to get the right engine suspension and others performance related feature…persona engine testing is also use the same concept before…just to share some info. persona once are tested using campro 1.3…now the test car is at my uni..going to do some testing with it…thanx p1 for the car
chap_de_x, which uni r u in??
IMHO, it’s good tat proton used WISH as their benchmark..it’s a nice car…and more importantly, proton will be using car chasis to derive the MPV, rather than using a van’s chasis like avanza..anyway, i think it’s more economical for proton to use car chasis (probably the chancelor chasis) rather than creating a brand new van like chasis……
if proton use the satria neo design cues in this mpv, it’ll look great!!!
infinity said,
if proton use the satria neo design cues in this mpv, it’ll look great!!!
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Hah, use Juara cues and see lah!
infinity
my uni is somewhere in malaysia east coast area
Use the Lotus APX cues, make rear window bigger than that concept. Also, fit a big engine. 2Litre supercharge. MPV will carry lots of people and stuff, if test with 2 people no real world scenario.
ummm…..2.0V6 from perdana? i remember i read from some where said that the 2.0v6 cannot meet the emission control from singapore, so that it din export to singapore market. Hope porton may get a new generation 2.0L engine to replace current 2.0V6. It can considered as a “dirty” engine in today emission standard. although i like the engine sound very much
ummm….2.0 V6 from perdana?? i remember i read from some where said that the engine is considered “Dirty” to today emission control standard. so that proton unable toe xport it to singapore. I really Hope Porton can source a new 2.0L to replace current 2.0V6. umm…. maybe 4B11?
Yeah proton… its time to change… u can stand by yourself.
I would love to see this new MPV would be the Lotus APX.
Its so into the FUTURE and will atract more european buyers.
Also, make it below RM100k. If Naza Citra can, so can you Proton.
;-}.
Last but not least, i notice so many Proton fans here. By supporting Proton this means we all Malaysians are patriotic to our country. Right…
Heh.~
Better late than never.
Proton better be careful this time. Bcos this is the first MPV. Its either ‘rocket high’ successful or hard and painful fall – failure. Dont be to eager to launch if you are not well prepared. Test and test. We want a car that is built to last or at least built that seems to last.
NVH, some degree of durability, stylish enough, Malaysia’s look, some degree fuel efficiency, practical and competitive price are among the factors they should look into.
Also please balance between customers suggestions/ wants and the design capability. Too much for customers you lose out on the design. Too much emphasizing design you lose out on sales. If exterior is not ‘catchy’ enough dont expect people will not go near the car and see the interior. So exterior need more attention.
Proton must ‘run’ now. The auto industry is too fast too catch up, design wise, powertrain wise, R&D wise, innovation wise. If you walk, you will be left behind.
I want to hear and see success story, only.
hope it will look like wish and will be slightly longer….campro cps 1.6l engine is good as a start….just to test market but new generation 2.0l engine is a much better choice for a mpv…definitely not 2.0l engine from perdana v6
hope it will look like wish and with a little bit longer size….campro cps 1.6l engine is good as a start…just for market testing but new generation 2.0l engine is a much better choice for a mpv…what else could we hope
its a 1.8 campro cps engine :) A little shorter than the wish and design very much inspired by it.
MyviKiller said,
February 27, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
sxe10r said,
February 27, 2008 @ 9:19 am
don’t understand y put the P1 one dashboard , steering inside wish ?? n got another prototype model … maybe they wan to mix up this two model … what the name will be ??
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Proton Hasrat?
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Proton Hajat / Proton Cita (cita-cita)
The new Chery Eastar is priced at RM79,888 for the standard version and RM86,888 for the high-spec version.
The Proton MPV should be price within RM60K-RM70K.
The price must to beat Naza Citra!
Then will get a good respond!
What the name will be? Proton Tun? Proton Dr M as an award for effort that Dr M has provide to Proton? Im not sure !
But anyway, better make the name more international to listen !
Proton Larissa- – – Hehe that maybe a good name but- – – Proton Ben 10- – – is maybe goood to .WHO PLAY COUNTER STRIKE GO TO MY SERVER USJ
Proton Madness—–Proton Larissa—-Proton Ben 10—-Proton 3X4—-Proton MPV——->All My Hope But —–Proton Ben 10 —–Maybe Not
why do u all hav to copy ppl design?the saga just as must like the toyota…tis…honda jazz and stepwagon…where is the proton design department?are they sleeping a????
Salam and a happy good to all in this room…..buat pengetahuan semua saya adalah antara 10 org yg bertuah sebagai pelanggan PROTON ini dapat memandu uji PROTON MPV…ok SAYA ulangi PROTON MPV…iaitu pada 25 Feb 2009 ADALAH PENGALAMAN YANG TERBAIK DALAM HIDUP SAYA DAN SAYA TIDAK AKAN LUPAKAN…memang ini adalah strategi yang mantap daripada PROTON kerana masih lagi merahsiakan daripada semua rakyat MALAYSIA walaupun MPV tu dah masuk dalam internet…Yang pasti ia adalah MPV PROTON yang terbaik dan mampu mulik utk semua golongan rakyat MALAYSIA…xcellent JOB to PROTON DAN ANAK TEMPATAN…memang best MPV tu..dan tidak akan menyesal…PERCAYALAH….(walaupn saya masuk peraduan menamakan MPV PROTON tapi x menang..hehehehe..nak tau saya namakan apa….SURF…amacam beskan…satu suku kata..kalau EXORA..sudah jadi 3 suku kata..xpelah ape2 pun janji kereta Malaysia….
[quote comment="153479"]I personally dont like the steering much (used in Gen2, Persona, Savvy, Saga & Neo). Proton should design a better one, cladded with leather.
The current one looks too raw, too plasticky & too bare. Just my opinion. Perodua steering looks a lot better (texture, feel & design).[/quote]
personally x suka ker memang jenis yang kutuk kete malaysia.tak payahlah nak kondem kete malaysia sedangkan ia banyak memberikan sumber economy kepada Malaysia.ko ni sedap mulut nak cakap..jangan2 ko pun tak pernah pakai kereta entah2 ada kete proton pun ko service kat luar pastue ko kutuk gila baban…
sekarang nie proton dah much better than before..gen2 cpc,waja cps even savvy lebih bagus dari myvi dgn vios baru.tak payahlah nak kutuk buat apa nak berbangga dengan barang luar sedangkan semua kete saban hari ada susut nilai besi buruk lama-lama rosak juga..
memang perngkhianat negara ko nie..macam bagus sangat.kalau rasa bagus tue buatlah kerajaan sendiri cipta kereta sendiri jangan asyik nak mengutuk lumrah rakyat malaysia.proto tue tak ada standard,kepala hangguk engkau.
walaupun aku nie bukannya fanatik dengan kete tapi sekurang2 aku nie bangga ada kereta malaysia.bayangkan negara lain yang masih membangun serta yang dah bangun seperti singapore mana ada kereta sendiri…
Salam semua,
Semua benda ada permulaan.kau orang lahir tak boleh lari kan..nangis saja, lepas tu merangkak,tatih ,jalan ,lari,remaja,complain banyak,tua dan mati.
So, apa nak heran benda ni semua..
kereta je..
yg penting proton sendiri..belajar untuk maju dan maju..perbaiki segala kekurangan..
..kurangkan harga bila ROI sudah sampai ..
Aku akan terus support proton kalau proton fikir productnya untuk rakyat Malaysia. fikir-fikirlah…
Aku masih pakai Wira yg dah aku beli sejak 1999.
Ada fikir nak tukar kepada MPV.
Aku tak pasti duit aku ni nak ke proton atau lain kereta.
Anak aku dah ramai….apa proton tengah firkan..untuk menambat hati orang yg berbelah bagi seperti aku.
Terus terang aku katakan..proton punya promosi tak hebat langsung..
sekalipun kau ada kereta yg hebat ..aku apa peduli..
Aku ingat lagi pada avanza ..aku consider kereta low end dan pekak.
tapi sebab promosi merepek dia..ramai yg membeli.
Proton–kau fikir-fikirlah….
ape pown kete proton is da bez..kt x spatut nye condem proton,kt kne support proton lebih dr kt support kete luar..kete luar gah pd nama je sbenarnye xde pape pown..ape beza waja ngan evo?ape beza neo cps ngan swift?ape beza saga baru ngan vios???sume tu xde beza..cuma pandangan je yg beza..any way i proud to my proton putra/haha..to proton well done and gud luck
How is the performance of the power windows? is it as sucky as all other proton cars'?
The look is still ok. But no more confidence in Proton car.
Lantak laa ape2 pun..sesiapa rase nak beli….silakan …rasa2 tak sesuai atau banyok bebenor komen…usah ler beli. Maybe deme banyok duit nak beli kete mahal.Orang mesia nie biasa laaa…banyok complain dari beli. Ader setengah tu …nyesal dah beli Avanza…heheheheee
dont tell me the model's name going to be "proton mule". mule? lol!