Suzuki Forenza
Forbes has posted it’s list of 2006’s least safe cars on the American roads.
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The Hyundai Elantra, Kia Optima, Mazda 6, and Toyota Corolla are available here on our local shores. The American Sentra is different. Really ugly if you ask me. Have a look at the slideshow on the original Forbes article.
I’m particularly suprised at the Corolla on the list. The Corolla in the US is the same as our Corolla Altis here, different from the Corolla found in Singapore. The Suzuki Forenza is also available as the Chevrolet Optra locally.
For more, head on to Forbes
others i dunno…but corolla is 1 of them??unbelievable..
oh man… i've been dreaming of getting an altis recently… guess i'm gonna have to revise my dreams :P
The US has different standards and measurements when it comes to safety as compared to Europe. In the US, Kia Carnival is given 5 star safety award but in Europe the Carnival was one of the worse.
Go figure!
its typical that the list is headed by korean cars…i guess thy been foolig customers by offering airbags and abs …bt wats the point wer the body is so weak…makes proton cars so much beter…ppl go for korean cars n willing to add a premium of 15-20 k over our natiional cars bcos thy are imported…i guess u wont be the smartest person if u do that now! i always hated korean cars…either very ugly or fake…no offence…
they dun ever consider china's car as a "car"?
lol
Even the Cadillac Escalade in the list?? Biar benar ni..I wonder if any Proton model reach USofA, will Proton be in the list too? Pity to Corolla and 6, too..
Mazda 6 there too.. So what will Proton score? , Nil.
Korean cars ain't that bad. At least they are better than our cars. I don't know much abt safety. But in terms of comfort and reliablilty, the Koreans whooped our ass. Hard.
crash in savvy the passenger will die but the car ok mah..since built tough. crash in iswara different, both die, hehe
eRis-Aeir4s,
Dude i have to STRONGLY DISAGREE with you that POTONG will score nil.
POTONG does not even qualify for this test as it is not to be considered as a car by the AMERICAN. It is a piece of scrap metal. sigh………
But, but, but …. I am so proud of proton. See any proton is better than a toyota, mercedes, nissan
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For one thing, since model-year 2004, the Corolla's rear crash-test score has dropped to "poor" from "acceptable," two grades higher. But more importantly, the Corolla on the list is the one tested without optional side airbags. Tested with optional front and rear head curtain airbags and optional front seat-mounted torso airbags, the Corolla's side rating is not "poor," but "acceptable"–the second-highest possible score.
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According to the report, Kia Optima comes with 2.7L engine but its 'underpowered'. Go Figure!
2.7L underpowered? damn
i guess it goes the same with most SUV or pickups out there
toyota hilux anyone?
korean airbags fake? how about china airbags? landwind?
suzuki foreza, that is
on-the-Msia market CHEVY wah!
(belong to same GM group!!)
not SAFE!!!!!
Let's read this article below for a moment…read first, comment last. Ok..We're so proud being Malaysian..Sorry this article is too long.
take time utk baca artikel nie..
dan korang akan tau realiti sebenarnya..
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Yang ni saya kena jawab la sebab banyak sangat misinformation.
Biasanya
information yang berpindah dari satu mulut ke satu mulut yang lain
akan
berubah menjadi sensasi. Itu lah masyarakat kita. Kita bukan mendapat
firsthand info tapi berdasarkan cerita yang telah ditokok tambah. Ini
dia cerita dari orang dalam yang duduk ditengah tengah R&D PROTON.
………..ada kenalan dari kastam boleh confirmkan perkara
ni..member
atuk kerja kastam kat kelang dan beliau sendiri yang maklumkan yg
salah
satu tugas dia adalah buat checking penerimaan barangan proton untuk
di
pasangkan di negara ni. Satu kontena enjin je..manakala kontena lain
adalah pintu, body dan sebagainya. sama lah dengan kereta lain juga.
Kalau kita lalu kat kawasan glenmarie tu, akan ternampak lah satu
tanda… Kilang Enjin Proton. Tanda tu tak duduk kat situ untuk suka
suka je. Kalau kita jengok kat dalam…. Boleh nampak besi cair yang
dituang kedalam acuan untuk membuat enjin block. Memang proton ada
mengimpot enjin tapi dari kelas 1.2 dan 2 liter. 1.2l untuk Savvy
(enjin
Renault) dan 2l untuk Perdana. Tapi untuk enjin 1.3, 1.5, 1.6 proton
buat sendiri. Untuk pintu pulak… hanya kereta kereta Perdana sahaja
yang proton beli pintu dari Mitsubishi. For your information, Untuk
membuat pintu sahaja memerlukan dekat 20 acuan. Bayangkan lah 4
pintu.
Modal itu shaja sudah hampir RM50juta. So untuk kereta yang volume
kecil, kita beli dari luar. Untuk kereta Isawara, Wira, Waja, Gen2,
Savvy… 100% body dibuat di Malaysia.
Bayangkan dah 20 tahun menanti kereta Malaysia yang sebenarnya tak
keluar-keluar lagi.Bagi yang berkemampuan sudah tentu tak mahu
menggunakan injin kenderaan berteknologi 70an, 80an dan 90an yang
diubahsuai. Sudah tentu ramai nak teknologi terkini dan sebenarnya
milik
kita. Secara umumnya proton masih belum ada enjin sendiri lagi..jadi
adalah sukar hendak dikatakan kalau ianya adalah kereta Malaysia yang
sebenarnya. Pengeluaran kenderaan adalah berdasar injinnya barulah
boleh
dikatakan ianya kenderaan negara sebenarnya.
Disini lagi ada misinformation. Memang untuk kereta Perdana kita
impot
enjin dari Jepun. Untuk Savvy kita guna kan enjin Renault. Untuk
Isawara, Wira dan Waja kita buat enjin di Malaysia walaupun design
original dia dari Mitsubishi. Tapi enjin Gen-2 adalah enjin terkini
yang
di reka oleh jurutera Proton dan dibina di Malaysia. Enjin tersebut
menggunakan teknologi terkini. Jadi kenyataan diatas agak menyesatkan
sedikit. Naza, Perodua…. Masih lagi membawa enjin dari luar. Modal
untuk mereka dan mengeluarkan enjin ni amat besar. Nak dapat return
pun
bukan nya sekejap. Tapi demi maruah dan kemajuan, kita korbankan
keuntungan jangka pendek. Selagi kita tidak mengeluarkan enjin
sendiri..selagi itu kita tidak tahu. Sekarang kita telah pun
mengeluarkan enjin sendiri… orang masih tidak percaya. Itu lah
masalah
orang kita… memandang rendah kebolehan anak negara sendiri.
Selama ini proton bergantung kepada Mitshubishi sebagai rakan
teknikal.
Oleh kerana kontrak selama 20 tahun telah tamat. Maka proton
terpaksalah
mencari rakan teknikal yang baru dan bermulalah masalah melanda
proton.
Sudah tentu rakan teknikal baru tidak mahu meneruskan rekaan dan
teknologi mitshubishi lagi. So apa kan jadi pada kereta proton yang
ada
sekarang ni untuk masa akan datang.
Tidak wujud kontrak 20 tahun dengan Mitsubishi. Mereka adalah rakan
kongsi. Bertahun tahun kita berkerjasama dengan Mitsubishi tetapi
teknikal apa yang mereka turunkan. Kalau kita pernah berkerja dengan
orang Jepun atau Korea, mereka inilah yang paling kemut ilmu. Tapi
bab
nak korek ilmu kita, dia orang rajin habis. Atuk jangan terkejut bila
saya cakap yang idea kita pun banyak yang Jepun curi. So bila kita
mula
menuntut teknologi baru dari mereka… mula lah nak caj dan nak ikat
royalti yang tak munasabah. Nak mintak copy teknikal drawing zaman
dulu
sekeping pun dia orang caj beribu ribu. Mula lah kita pandang
teknologi
dari barat dan teknologi sendiri. Sebab itu kita beli Lotus.. Kita
ignore Jepun. Bila kita design sesuatu yang lebih baik… laju je dia
orang hantar balik information ke Mitsubishi. Last last kita pun mula
bersikap secrecy dengan dia orang… lama lama dia orang fed up dan
mintak keluar. Lagi pun dia orang dah nampak afta nanti dia orang
akan
masuk balik ke Malaysia.
Perodua… kenapa daihatsu/toyota memberi enjin latest dia orang….
Sebab Perudua tu 100% milik Toyota/Daihatsu. Dah lama UMW menjual
saham
dia orang kepada Jepun. Proton…. Milik Malaysia.
Mungkin ada yang tahu dan ada yang tak tahu yang proton yang
digunakan
pakai sekarang adalah barangan Mitshubishi. Samalah seperti kereta
lain.. tukar lambang je..
Inilah susah orang kita ni…. Banyak mendengar cerita sensasi yang
banyak ditaruk banyak rempah ratusnya….. Memang pada mulanya kita
belajar… selepas itu kita buat sendiri. Saya adalah seorang yang
terlibat dengan kerja kerja tersebut.
o Saga – Base dia Lancer lama. Kita Cuma tukar depan dan belakang
sikit.
o Iswara – base Saga, kita mula belajar untuk design kereta sendiri.
Masa ni Mitsubishi dah tak berapa setuju bila kita menubuhkan R&D. So
kita menggunakan khidmat penasihat dari UK.
o Wira – Disini berpuluh puluh designer dan engineer Proton dihantar
ke
Jepun untuk kerjasama design kereta baru. Proton dan Mitsubishi
kongsi
modalelakang, design asing asing. Lampu depan dan belakang share
sebab
nak kurang kan cost. Hasilnya Proton Wira – Mitsubishi Lancer. Orang
akan kata hah kongsi je sabab tak tahu buat kerja…. Tapi ada orang
kata apa apa bila Ford dan Mazda berkongsi bahagian tengah? Ford
Laser
dan Mazda 323 adalah kereta yang sama. Ada orang komplen? Bila orang
Malaysia yang buat begitu… orang Malaysia sendiri yang nak
mengutuk.
Tak ramai yang tahu seksa bekerja kat Jepun sebab dia orang suka curi
idea. Bayang kanlah semasa kami design dashboard untuk Wira… masa
tu
Mitsubishi sudah pun siap soft tooling mould untuk dashboard kereta
dia… Bila mereka tengok dashboard Proton. Mereka sanggup letak
designer dia depan design kita untuk mengubahsuai kembali rupa bentuk
dashboard mereka. Kalau
kita pernah tengok dashboard mitsubishi lancer… hampir samakan. Itu
mereka yang meniru bukan kita. Ianya menunjukkan kita bukan tak
pandai… Cuma masyarakat sendiri berfikiran macam itu.
o Perdana – Untuk membuat satu satu design bukan nya murah. Nak
balik
modal pun lama. Jumlah kereta yang dijual pun kena banyak. So kalau
nak
buat Perdana…. Sampai habis pun tak balik modal. So yang ni memang
kita ambil kereta dari mitsubishi dan pasang di Malaysia. Cuma kita
tukar depan dan belakang, dan bahagian dalaman.
o Tiara – Tiara adalah bukan product Proton. Ia adalah keluaran DRB.
Tapi kita kena tunduk dengan arahan dari atas untuk mereka
menggunakan
lambang Proton.
o Waja – Waja adalah permulaan kita untuk menunjukkan kita mampu
melakukan kerja sendiri. 100% didesign orang orang kita. Tapi untuk
kejuruteraan kita memerlukan consultant dari luar..mainly dari Eropah
dan Amerika. Bukan sebab tak pandai tapi kita tak cukup kakitangan.
Nak
design kereta bukan seperti menjahit baju. Kabaikan dari mengambil
consultant dari luar memang mebuka mata kita… kita adalah setaraf
dengan kebolehan mereka. Nak design kereta ni memerlukan beratus
ratus
kakitangan. Bukannya sedikit.
o Gen2 – 100% dedesign oleh orang kita. Consultant dari luar hanya
sedikit sebab kakitangan kita semakin ramai. Kita mula menggunakan
enjin
yang didesign sendiri.
o Savvy – 100% dedesign sendiri. Cuma enjin sahaja kita menggunakan
Renault sebab kita tidak ada enjin bersaiz kecil. Well…. Kehebatan
enjin Renault sudah terbukti bila mereka memenangi F1. Disin banyak
berita palsu disebarkan oleh mereka yang tidak bertanggung jawab.
Contohnya… Savvy adalah Tiara dan menggunakan chasis Tiara lama.
Savvy
tidak ada kena mengena dengan Tiara. Savvay adalah baru 100%. Tidak
ramai yang tahu bahawa Savvy menggunakan HTHS steel. High Tensile
High
Strength Steel. Sebab tu body Savvy kuat. Memang ada terpampang
kereta
Savvy kemek kerana accident. Well… kereta mercedes, volvo, BMW pun
kemek bila accident. Tapi tak ramai yang tengok keadaan dalaman Savvy
yang accident tu… Intact. Kukuh. Saudara saudari… Bila kita
design
kereta ni..yang paling penting adalah keselamatan penumpang. Memang
kereta dedesign untuk crumple bila ada impact. Itu untuk menyerap
daya
hentakan supaya bukan manusia yang menerima hentakan kuat. Rating TUV
Germany memberikan 3 star untuk
Proton. BMW 5 series pun dapat 3 star. Ramai yang kata Savvy ni tak
sedap bila memandu. Tapi tanyalah yang bercakap tu… adakah mereka
pernah memandu Savvy. Kebanyakan nya tidak. Hanya mendengar dari
orang
lain.
o Lain lain – Ada banyak lagi yang saya tak boleh cerita sebab ada
secrecy act. Proton pun ada design kereta untuk company lain dan ada
membuat part untuk company lain. Proton ada juga buat reverse
engineering untuk motosikal lumba (tahun tu dia champion) tapi kita
tidak boleh menceritakan sebab dasar secrecy kita. Mungkin sesetengah
orang yang memakai certain kereta mewah tidak tahu yang part kereta
mereka dibuat diproton. Kalau Proton tak elok… masakan mereka
mengkontrakkan proton untuk membuat kereta mereka.
Berbalik kepada masalah yang sedang dihadapi oleh proton. Kenapa
ianya
harus berlaku perkara sebegini. Apakah yang sebenarnya telah berlaku
dan
dibuat oleh proton dalam masa 20 tahun untuk membina kenderaan
nasional
sendiri. Memang ada R&D proton cuba mendapatkan struktur dan
bahan-bahan
untuk membuat injin tapi gagal mendapatkan resepinya.
Tok….. Proton memang dah ada enjin sendiri. Yang terpasang dekat
Gen-2 tu apa dia. Bab bab bahan untuk membuat enjin tu senang je.
Kebanyakan pengeluar kereta menggunakan besi yang sama sebab
pengeluar
besi dalam dunia ni bukan banyak. Kita Cuma bagi specifikasi je. Nak
design enjin tu yang susah. Transmition yang paling susah. Untuk info
lah… kami masih lagi dalam process untuk mereka cipta transmition
sendiri. Bukan macam nak buat karipap tau.
Penubuhan proton sejak 20 tahun yang lampau tidak mencapai objektif
yang sebenarnya. Dimana silapnya? Berapa ramaikah yang tahu bilakah
ilham proton ini sebenarnya timbul dan berapa lamakah usaha dilakukan
bagi membolehkan impian ini tercapai. Mungkin ramai yang mengganggap
hanya seorang perdana menteri sahaja terlibat. Cuma pada zaman Tun M
baru persetujuan dapat dicapai setelah Mitshubishi bersetuju menjadi
rakan teknikal dengan bersyarat. (syarat ni tak boleh lah diberi
tahu..
sebab ianya adalah OSA)
Penubuhan Proton lebih mencapai objectif nya. Pada mulanya Proton
hanya
di rancang untuk membuat kereta bukan untuk merekacipta kereta. Kita
menubuh R&D, Mitsubishi tidak setuju. Ye la… siapa nak bagi kita
pandai kan. Cuba check dekat Perudua, berapa ramai jurutera dari
Proton
bekerja dekat sana, Head of R&D Perudua… bekas Proton, Head of
Styling… Bekas Proton, Head of Planning, Bekas Proton, Head of
Production… bekas Proton (rasa rasanya dah kena kebas dekat Naza),
Head of Engineering Services… Bekas Proton. Rata rata mereka yang
senior dekat sana dari proton. We trained them… orang lain ambil
cara
senang je. Naza pulak.. Head of R&D.. bekas proton. Head of
Production… Bekas Proton. Honda… pun ramai bekas proton, DRB
Pekan… Head dia pun bekas proton, Inokom… head dia pun bekas
proton.
Itu kira head je… Bukan lagi kira engineer dan designer. So it
meets
its objectif untuk memajukan orang orang kita. Mainly orang Melayu.
Naza
sendiri tidak menyangkal kereta Naza mainly didevelop oelh
bekas kakitangan Proton. So… orang Proton tak bagus?
Kita belum lagi kira bekas pekerja proton yang diambil oleh
consultant
luar negara… dari America, Eropah sampai ke Jepun. Tau tak kita
kakitangan Proton telah memenangi pertangdingan mereka design kereta
anjuran Ford. Beliau mendapat tempat pertama. Bukan bertanding
diperingkat Malaysia. Tapi di peringkat antarabangsa. Memang beliau
mendapat tawaran kerja dari syarikat kereta gergasi Amerika dan
Eropah.
Tapi kami tabik bila dia decide nak stay dekat Malaysia sebab tak nak
anak anak membesar dinegara lain. Ada orang tau…?
Selama 20 tahun proton pergantung kepada pemerintah yang sepatutnya
telah boleh berdiri dengan sendirinya sekarang ini selepas perjanjian
tamat. Ibarat kata.. berapa lama perlu bergantung.. tak kan dah 20
tahun
nak merangkak lagi..nak tambah masa untuk merangkak lagi.. so bila
lak
nak belajar berdiri dan berjalan sendiri tanpa di pimpin lagi..sebab
tu
exPM kata.. kalau dah tak boleh tutup aja.
Proton boleh menjadi lebih baik kalau tidak ada tanggung jawab kepada
negara. Senang aja… buang sahaja pengeluar pengeluar yang
bermasaalah.
Tapi apa akan jadi dengan ekonomi. Itu tanggung jawab Proton untuk
negara. Bayangkanlah penjanaan ekonomi proton untuk negara… berapa
banyak kaki tangan Proton… 8000. Berapa banyak kakitangan syarikat
yang secara lansung untuk membuat part Proton… 100,000 orang.
Berapa
banyak bank dapat untung, berapa banyak syarikat bumiputra yang naik?
Bayangkanlah kami boleh membantu sedangkan polisi kerajaan tidak
membantu. Cuba ingat sebelum timbul nya proton0… Kosong.
Mengenai masalah AP pulak perkara tu bukan perkara baru. Mungkin ada
yang tak tahu yang proton juga mendapat AP. Kalau tak.. sure harga
kereta proton tak serendah sekarang ini. Tak percaya boleh check duti
import yang dibayar untuk sebuah kereta proton. Nak check duti import
tak susah sgt.. cuma bandingkan harga kereta proton di kawasan bebas
cukai.
Kita memang tak payah bayar duti impot sebab kita buat kereta kat
dalam
Malaysia. Tapi tetap kena cukai. Kita tak ada AP. Yang Proton kecewa
kenapa terlampau banyak AP dikeluarkan. Lepas tu sebijik sebijik
kerajaan kena tipu. Bayangkan lah kalau kereta KIA yang dibawa masuk
ke
Malaysia… harga yang di declare adalah RM8000. Tak masuk akalkan
bila
kastam approve benda ni. Paling murah kereta yang pernah dibuat
adalah
dalam dunia ni adalah lebih kurang RM18,000. Itu baru bahan bahan
dia.
Belum lagi kira cost modal acuan, cost tenaga kerja, cost R&D.
Bayangkan
lah banyak mana kerjaan rugi pada cukai. Bayangkanlah banyak mana
Naza
untung.
Dasar Automotif Nagara di perlukan bagi meneruskan perjuangan yang
belum tercapai disamping menjaga serta melindungi pemilik kereta
proton
sekarang ini. sejauh mana boleh bertahan tak tahu la..kalau tidak
akan
bertimbunlah bakal besi buruk bila tiada lagi spare part proton
(asalnya
milik Mitshubishi) dan akan timbullah barangan made in Jinjang atau
sewaktu dengannya.
Saudara… Dalam banyak banyak negara pengeluar kereta, Malaysia lah
yang paling kurang memprotect industry automotive mereka. Rakyat
Malaysia juga lah yang paling tidak patriotic dalam hal hal kereta
ni.
Walaupun kita telah merdeka, minda kita tetap diajar barangan lain
lebih
elok dan tidak membantu barangan sendiri. Saya ambil contoh…
Thailand
membuka pintu mereka untuk industri automotif…tapi ada syarat.
Kereta
yang dibina di Thailand harus lah di export keluar lebih dari yang
dijual dalam negara nya. Korea… cuba pergi ke Korea dan lihat
sendiri
disana. Nak cari kereta yang bukan dari Korea… susah. Sebabnya… 1
memang mereka patriotik. 2. Cuba pakai kereta import… Lembaga Cukai
mereka akan menyusahkan pembeli kereta tu. Sebab kata mereka tentu
banyak duit. Jepun… Semasa mereka belajar membuat kereta hampir 80
tahun dulu… nak naik bukit pun boleh undur (baca sejarah toyota),
tapi
rakyat mereka tetap bangga dan tetap membeli. Cuba kat Malaysia….
Kutuk lagi ada.
Saudara semua… kejayaan sesuatu project negara bergantung kepada
sokongan dari rakyat sendiri. The more people buy, the cheaper things
can be. Economic of scale lah tu. Lagi banyak dijual, lagi rendah
cost
pembalikan modal untuk setiap kereta. Nak buat sebijik kereta hampir
1
billion cost dia. Macam mana nak balik modal kalau kita tak ambil
untung. Kilang enjin lagi mahal… tapi kita korban kan keuntungan
kerana kalau kita dok asyik beli enjin dari luar, masa mana kita nak
belajar dan maju. Protn baru 20 tahun. Korea mengambil masa 40 tahun
untuk kerata dia tiba ditahap ini. Jepun sudah 80 tahun, Barat sudah
100 tahun. Ini industri kereta. Kalau orang suruh kita fikir nak buat
plastik aiskrim tu pun majority kita tak boleh. Ini kereta. So yang
mengutuk tu… fikir. Lagi banyak kita jual, lagi murah kita boleh
jual… lagi banyak duit, lagi baik pembangunan yang kita boleh buat.
Setaip test dan setiap bahna baru yang nak direka memerlukan wang
yang
banyak.
Masalahnya sekarang siapakah yang bakal atau boleh dijadikan rakan
teknikalnapa..atuk kata macam tu..sebab Wak Segan ni guna euro. Sudah
tentu la harga kereta proton pada masa akan datang lebih mahal lagi.(
salah satu sebab isu AP keluar) Nak mohon Nissan atau Honda atau
Toyata
jadi rakan teknikal memang agak sukar.
Errr…. Ini kita bagi hint sikit sebab teruk sangat dah ni. Kita
tengah develop kereta dengan VW. Sebab tu kita jangan dengar saja
orang
cakap.
Kalau semua AP ditarik balik lagi banyak masalah akan timbul.. salah
satunya adalah AFTA. Mampukah negara kita membayar ganti rugi kepada
negara lain yang telah melaksana AFTA. Mungkin ada yang tak sedar
yang
negara kita telah membayar ganti rugi RM bilion sebab menangguh
perlaksanaan AFTA sebelum ni kapada negara Asean yg berkaitan.
Memang kita akan kena penalti sebab ada perjanjian AFTA. Tapi bukan
kita nak tarik AP macam tu aja. Jalan penyelesaian masih ada. Kalau
negara lain boleh ada polisi dia orang yang membantu industri kereta
meraka… kenapa kita tidak boleh. Kerana AP China boleh mengeksport
kereta mereka ke Malaysia (kereta Chery hampis masuk), tapi polisi
China
masih lagi tidak membenarkan kereta kita masuk kesana. Memang dia
kata
boleh masuk tapi dah 5 tahun mencuba pun belum dapat kelulusan lagi.
Banyak syarat lagi. India… nak masuk kesana kena letak deposit
USD200
Million. Belum lagi nak set up kilang dan infrasturcture jualan. Cuba
masuk kat Korea… Kita nak jual kain kita kat sana pun dia orang tak
nak beli walau pun kualiti kita bagus. Kuat nya patriotik dia orang.
Kita… apa yang nama lain selain dari barang sendiri mesti bagus
punya.
Bagi yang nak membandingkan kereta kita dengan kereta German….
Bukan
tak boleh buat. Boleh… tapi sanggup ke bayar harga kereta German
untuk
kereta buatan Malaysia.
Tok…. Naza yang rata rata import kereta Cuma tukar bumper pun boleh
jadi taraf kereta nasional. Perodua yang tak pernah design kereta
sendiri (Cuma design bumper depan belakang) pun dapat taraf kereta
nasional… Proton sekurang kurangnya telah mendidik ramai anak
bangsa
dalam kemajuan teknologi. Dah ramai hasil dari pengalamn bekerja
dengan
proton diambil untuk sektor R&D ditempat lain. Bayangkan lah satu
kumpulan Advance Engine Research Proton terus diambil oleh Petronas.
Bukan sorang…. Kesemuanya. Nak kerja dengan R&D proton….. Paling
minimum 2nd class upper. 1st class berlambak. Selepas
berpengalaman…
Perodua, Naza ambil.
Tapi saya tak marah bila orang kata macam macam pasal proton. Itu hak
mereka. Tapi fikirkanlah tenaga yang kami beri untuk meajukan negara
dalam bidang teknology. Boleh sebut tak company mana lagi dalam
bidang
industry yang betul betul menggunakan kepakaran anak Malaysia dalam
bidang R&D ni. Kalau kita tidak belajar… sampai bila kita tidak
akan
tahu. Dan sampai bila kita akan bergantung dengan orang luar.
Tapi Bab support selepas jualan…. saya sendiri pun tak puas hati.
Sabotaj pun Proton dah biasa kena…. Orang curi part semasa delivery
kerata tukar dengan part tiruan atau lama. Yang kena komplen…
proton.
Tapi yang hairannya semasa Perodua recall balik 4000 unit Myvi….
Tak
ada pulak yang kutuk. Letak sebelah sebelah Myvi dan Savvy… check
performance dia. Then baru tahu nak kata apa. Jangan dengar orang
cakap
je… test sendiri. Baru tau.
Tak lama lagi akan keluar Savvy Auto-Manual…. Maksudnya dua dua
jenis
gear ada dalam kereta. Malas nak tukar gear… swith to auto. Nak
main
ciluk ciluk… switch to manual. Errr… siapa kata kita guna
tecnology
70an?
— panjang sgt..he..he..
— Lagi panjang jawapannya.
Protonite
My father have korean car, me have Proton car, my fathers car more sucks than my car. Even the old man admid it.. chears
that was really a good post by Lantis.
Lantis, good article, where you get..reka sendiri? (just joking!)
well most level headed malaysian already know most of it but…….
some malaysian are very very advance; they already the so called 'Global Citizen' while in actual fact the world still far from it..correct me if i'm wrong, the WTO will only take effect in 2020(?) and we are talking about products only not labour movements..whateverlah..
;-)
Lantis,
Can you summarise the article for us, ah? Too long to read, lah. This is forum where one to two paragraphs will do. Thanks.
safety tests differ from market to market, but so do car specifications.
sometimes, because of terrible results from crast testing, some car manufacturers modify their cars to help improve on it. This ""could"" be the case with the kia carnival, with the 2005 US test being the latest version of their kia. This was also the case with the new bmw 5 series, giving a poor showing at crash testing, and forcing the manufacturer to modify the car to improve its ratings.
appened to mercedes with the 1st a-class and to the audi TT as well under different circumstances, forcing recalls after the cars were deemed unsafe during certain maneuvers, the kind of stuff crash testing does not pickup.
i still think the new protons are reasonably safe, and extremely reliable. I've owned a proton for 9 years, and in that time, maintenance was low, the engine never broke down, and was never overhauled, clocking over 300,000km. Not the safest car in the market, but it best met my needs as transport and cost wise.
That's article is from Automobil Yahoogroups… that guy also being bashing kow-kow inside out… the fact is how many people buying Proton cars? and how many people satisfied?? how many people get the Proton cars without any problem??? if we can see the statistics… maybe 99% is not the satisfied buyers… I can see from this blog… and others too… we love Malaysia… we support the campaign Belilah Barangan Buatan Malaysia… yes we are the Proton bashers… because it really sucks… hope for "Dare To Change" to really make Proton change… not only the CEO…
Waa…..panjang la info tu…thanks.
Yes, I have a Wira SE and I love the car. Unfortunately, quality is the main issue. After several months, dashboard bunyi, pintu bunyi etc….I don't know la after 20 years Proton cars still have this QA issues. Why? I bet 8 out 10 proton owners buy Proton because of no choice…including myself even they know about the quality. When we send for service and complaint, the technician (PE & EON) just said,"Biasa la Proton"………They just could not rectify the problems…..f**k.
Kalu orang dah cakap, "Pakai proton ni nasib. Biasanya tak baik!"
I think it's better to sell Proton to other big guns…VW ke, Toyota ke…..
I don't know what to say bcoz of the quality…frustrated, penat komplen kat SC…..no action.
OKlah……see ya. Just my 1 cent point of view…….
Regarding the Article!
I believed most of the heart of Malaysian is Supporting "Barangan Buatan Malaysia". I think in the case product is really good and price wise is Reasonable no one will reject to it.
As you all may agreed that Malaysian are not that RICH in majority, I means in average the income of Malaysian are still low. We still cannot afford to buy a thing cost RM1000 like a bag or leather key holder. (COACH or GUCCI) as it is normal in Japan or other RICH countries.
Therefore, if we pay RM100 for a products, usually we would like to compare BRAND and quality and durability also maintenance wise. Just an example: A portable Fan, National cost RM110 and Malaysian X brand cost RM80, I will choose National not X brand. But on the other hand if Malaysian X brand cost RM50 or below and more features and longer warrantee period, in this case high possibility we will choose X rather than National.
Of course we knew that, Malaysian made those National products in Malaysia but the thing is the brand make you all proud of due to the service and history or your usage experienced since 1970 or your parents said. When products has failured occured usually the local company will say " WHAT DID YOU EXPECTED FOR, IT IS CHEAP!! CHEAP CHEAP!!!" what do you feel if you are the one get such kind of comments?
I would say the XXX Company should not said your products was selling due to low price or cheap. They should promote the products with a better service and Performance better than IMPORTED goods! Then I am 100% sure BOLEHLAND will fully support "ONLY BUY BOLEHLAND MADE GOODS!!!"
eCUN,
i'm no expert, nor do i have the stats, so i rather not comment. but i really do wonder, just because we hear 10 or 15 people in an internet forum say they have problems with proton, does that mean 99% of proton customers have problems with their cars.
seriously, try driving the Toyota Corolla Altis hard and you'll realise why its not safe. the handling of the car is bad. it either oversteers or understeers and never tend to get it right.
yeah….so eCUN, where did u get it???? plug from the sky?
eCUN.. can u provide the statistic.
good article, it took me one one large coleslaw, potato wedges and one zinger (KFC) to finish it.
but i still stand by my opinion, hehe : Proton is like your house toilet, everyone use it (because only 1 toilet), free (proton cheap mah), and sometimes have to clean (gvt protect)… but in the end still toilet, full of shit :(
The conclusion from the article i'd sent before is
1. Don't jugde a book from the cover
2. Don't listen the complaint from one source..listen from another side too
3. Not all citizens got a problem on their proton car
4. Be proud to be Malaysian
5. Some Malaysian not patriotism
TQ
I'm satisfied with my Proton
lalal…i have a proton wira…11 to 12 years not very sure..but 1st batch lah..
good car..last very low..serve me well…besides the little glitch here n there like..water masuk rear lights n all lah..those can easily rectify..nothin to shout about..but…fer a car that cost onli $40K+ at that time..i say..its a real good buy..
the problem with u folks are..u guys change cars like changing girlfrens…on average a malaysia change car every 2 years…some say..by doin so..u actually save on ur loan or sumthing..not sure bout that…but..basicallly..not all proton sux..jst some onli..
Patriotism is one thing. Customer satisfaction is another. We are customers, we have our own point of view. That's what this blog is about.
My sis sends perodua car to service. Perodua calls her back when the car is ready. Then call her after 3 days to ask if there are other problems. The customer is happy.As far as the customers is concern, customer is happy and is happy to associate perodua as a national car.
If the customer is not happy, then how to associate proton=patriotsm=nationalpride?
For your guys…we can do a comparison from one car to other car…but we must remember as Protonite said..Proton 20yrs juz now, Korean car 40yrs to get the level right now, Japan…80 yrs…and Barat…100 yrs have survived…so think positively…that my opinionla..
Haa.. haa, this OLD ARGUMENT .. you need to be partiotic .. hence, you need to buy Proton cars.. bollocks!!! bullshit!!! Am I not being patriotic if I buy a European car when I had two Proton (problematic they were) cars before? Am I? Am I not allowed to buy other "better" branded car? I've seen many those guys who said that I'm not being patriotic and yet, they're driving Japanese cars .. or even there is this one auto journalist who drive a KOREAN car and dare to call me not patriotic…!!
Lantis,
Who cares about the years they're in business .. what we want is QUALITY cars!! Why they're so berat sebelah .. why they can sell those with better quality cars in UK and not in Malaysia? Why?
suka suka hati lu 99%
Proton cars are not really that bad,
no major issue with engine, (realiable, I had Wira and Saga, ex-mitsu but ok)
maintenance and spare parts availability good (local made)
but the big turn off is the car design and those small small problem with power windows. Why can't they rectify simple problems and make it 100% good ?
Paul…I think u need to setup a specific column or blog just for proton/gov NAP issues…
klaka gak la post korang ni
wah pplz actually did read the LANTIS article de wor.
It made me curious abt it and i have read it.Not bad wat he said were quite true.
But i wat i know is out ppl really lack of Patriotism leh..How many of u know how to sing our national song?? So plz be supportive a bit.
Cars really made problem to ppl.Unless u drive it in a 'gentle' way.Such as dun rev up your car to 5k.Go around the highway wit a low speed.If not u drive merc or bmw also cannot tahan lar.My proton's power windows also had problem b4.Can't u guys DIY abit???Take out ur screw driver and try to fix it.I tried it b4.The window was out of alignment only.Glue it back and now it is still working.Motor and switch r still functioning.But as i know,not much of u guys will do it.The dashboard is noisy after few years of driving because there
r a few holes for screws.Juzz tape it wit wat ever stuff u have.Proton engine has no much of problem but the tranmission is really troublesome.As LAntis said may be it is not ori made by proton instead of taking it from elsewhere.Haizzz i changed my gear box when it reach 200000km.May be i really drive it in a rough way.it is an auto.Juzz dun buy auto if u really wanna drive ur car as a racer car.This is wat i did to it.Lastly i really treat my proton as my first and last proton i will have.Who does not wan a better car if they afford it??KK strting from today work harder everybody.Treat proton as your childhood toy car lar.This is wat my father told me.There r always have a better replacement for every stuff.Only ur family can't
ding dong ppl dont commit themselves to a 5 year loan which might be taking the majority of their income in most cases to DIY their cars. Its a perfectly good argument that we should DIY, in fact most people are doing it. the thing that piss ppl off is that they have to DIY their car in 1985… then DIY them in 2005?
So when you are sweating and wasting ur time fixing ur car you feel good because instead of complaining and swearing about the proton's crap quality you are contributing to national pride and dignity? more like national complacency…
when you buy other brand you think it will last… but when u buy a proton you always wondering when it will break down, or when you might need to bring to SC. Proton need to improve on the rakyats mindset by first of all improving themselves. im not saying other brand is 100% better than proton, but its a fact that alot of people think proton is shit, and in their point of view are perfectly justified to do so!
my auntie next door (yes she lives next door to me :( ) used to have a waja and a satria, then after warranty sell off, now replaced by unser, kenari and a harrier. They sell not because their income suddenly go up (they always been rich, my uncle sell house one mah :P ), so you can use your imagination… (HINT : WARRANTY)
I totally beleive in supporting national business and economy…but if the product continue to have "homemade" quality instead of "made in malaysia" quality i would rather buy "made in japan"!
summore the japanese letters looks so cool even though i cannot read, and remind me of hot japanese girls..now Proton logo remind me of Service Center and Power Window timebomb+Mahathir.
You all know that hot girl is better right? Right?
However some ppl got their fetish, so its ok if u prefer otherwise..
JK
TOO MCH KFC LA
Oh no Mazda6 is there too :( It's such a beautiful car!
Is the infomation released by Forbes credible?
Guys,
If you think you know all about the auto industry and the technology used to build a car, then please go to this website and compare what you know with the information inside the website.
http://www.autozine.org/technical_school/tech_ind…
Many people talks so much like they know every milimeter of the automotive parts, but do they actually knows the exact fact? Well, no body knows.
Feel free to visit the site and have fun reading.
driving an iswara… engine wise no prob. you get what you pay. so no complaints here. plebian like me drives a plebian car.
but what irks me the most is the fittings. the seams in the interior panels does not meet. this can only attribute to the shoddy spare parts. this is the part vendors that PROTON is trying to protect?! if they don't buck up the deserve to go bankrupt like one of our MPS recently said. you're only protecting and promoting sub par work.
after 20 years of producing the same car you think they would improve the glitches as the years go along. but hell no!!!!! proton got the rakyat by the balls and if you dun like it too bad… you've got no choice. live with it suckers. that's our PROTON to all of us. power windows don't work?! too bad. live with it suckers…. PROTON mar!
sent for servicing in GLENMARIE for the mandatory 5k and 10k service. both time the car came back with the hubcap covers not aligned with the air valve. how hard is it to align the holes to the valve and pop it back in? this is GLENMARIE not some authorised service centre. this is PROTON SERVICE to us rakyat……. dun like it? too bad…….
this is not patriotism….this is bout earning your pay………earning your respect. you can't demand for it. run it like a business cut the bleeding….you have to be cruel to survive sometimes. if not you'll jsut end up going down with the sinking ship together with all your dead weights. think about it.
LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS NEEDS, WANTS AND COMPLAINTS. IT'S AS BLOODY SIMPLE AS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
respect is where respect is due and proton get none from me.
you serve sub standard meal and is expecting us to say thumbs up? dream on.
cheers
to HumanSanzz..you must be joking….
waht you're saying is akin to buying a shirt without buttons and expecting us to go back and sew on the buttons.
we want a good resonable car not some junk which falls apart the minute the warranty ends or the minute it steps out form the dealer.
how much wear and tear does a window inccurs? you open and you close…as if you open a million times a day. after so many years of complaint and have they done anything to rectify it? none whatsoever…that's the answer.
already paying so damn bloody much for an old tech car with a 5 year loan.. you expect us to go home and fix it up ourselves?
a mistake is a wrong doing done once…stupidity is making the same mistakes multiple times. that's our PROTON
cheers
terence exactly what i feel.
we get exactly what we pay for, but its because we go no damn choice.
"by the balls"
Bertahun tahun kita berkerjasama dengan Mitsubishi tetapi
teknikal apa yang mereka turunkan. Kalau kita pernah berkerja dengan
orang Jepun atau Korea, mereka inilah yang paling kemut ilmu. Tapi
bab
nak korek ilmu kita, dia orang rajin habis. Atuk jangan terkejut bila
saya cakap yang idea kita pun banyak yang Jepun curi. So bila kita
mula
menuntut teknologi baru dari mereka… mula lah nak caj dan nak ikat
royalti yang tak munasabah. Nak mintak copy teknikal drawing zaman
dulu
sekeping pun dia orang caj beribu ribu. Mula lah kita pandang
teknologi
dari barat dan teknologi sendiri
…by lancer
haiya lu tak payah cakap manyak la, tau kutuk saja olang balat amelika elopah, tapi melekalah yg lebih sanggup menulunkan ilmu teknologi meleka kasi kite berbanding dgn mata sepet jepun tu…kutuk amelika, tapi tau kah meleka sulah menbantu kite dgn bantuan ekonomi
Respect is earned not given.
If proton is good, then people will respect. When I bought my first proton car, i had to go back to the glenmarie to fix the dash board rattling problem 3 times. It had to be 3 times before they get it right. Not even a sorry sir or call up to follow up on the problem or something.
After 3 years, the car masuk air at the back. Power window spoil. Paint on the bumper come out. Door handle lose. The door auto-lock sometimes not working properly.
Am I suppose to be a satisfied customer?
Should I respect proton for their work?
Talk about next car purchase. Do you think I would buy a gen2 or city or a vios for my next car?
Talk about nationalism. So last time I bought a proton so I am a patriot. Next time I buy toyota then I am not a partiot. What's the correlation?
But i wat i know is out ppl really lack of Patriotism leh..How many of u know how to sing our national song?? So plz be supportive a bit.
why people out there lack of Patriotism…..well….people only address us a malaysian outside malaysia…but in malaysia…we are not….hahahahahaha…we are separated as group…..
may i know how many car manufacturers are rebadging the Chevy/Daewoo/Suzuki Optra?
thanks!
I for one don't quite see the need to be "patriotic" about a national car.
To me, patriotism belongs to world-beater achievements. Like Nicol David owning everyone in Squash, or having the World's tallest tower/building (for a while, anyway).
But a national car? If Proton comes out with world-class cars at comparable prices then sure, they deserve some national pride, and I'd never buy any other marque.
As it is now though, being proud of Proton feels something like Michael Jordan playing 1-on-1 with a guy in a wheelchair, then going "haha I kicked your ass so bad, dude" after winning.
Lantis…
cakap aje banyak, bukti? hampeh pun tarak!!! yang ngko cakap banyak nie pun cerita jugak… cuma ngko cakap ialah kebenaran, takde fakta langsung!!
tapi fakta yang jelas ternyata di depan mata, keta Potong memang banyak masalah!! menyusahkan dan memalukan rakyat!!!
lagi satu, pasal Potong masih muda, baru ditubuhkan, jadi sepatutnya mempunyai access kepada pengetahuan dan teknologi yang terkini, bukan yang dah lapuk!!! apa yang Potong bagi pada kita rakyat Malaysia??? Keta BURUK!!!!
Engin Gen2 buatan kita??? tak tau malu ke bila angkut enjin org lain, buat modification sana sini, dan kemudiannya mengaku ciptaan sendiri? Design keta lain tu, kalau dah ciplak org lain punye tu,mengaku jelah…. rendah diri sikit…. ni tak, bukan saja nak bongkak, malah buat cerita menuduh org lain menciplak design kita… Masya-Allah… tak baik berbohong bulan Ramadhan ni… dosa berlipat ganda!!!
ikutlah resam padi, makin tua makin berisi makin bongkok, jangan ikut resam lalang, makin tua makin kosong berarah ke mana saja angin bertiup… janganlah menjadi bodoh-sombong… dahlah bodoh tak nak mengaku, menyombong pulak… patutlah takde org nak respek!
Hatuk Ngkau:
hello kid.are u emosional typo, did u? of course. bcoz u re kiddy boy.
where did u fact that gen.2 engine is come from others and proton moodified it. Pls give us a fact, or where did u get the info? I want to know bcoz i don't have any info about that? of maybe u got it from p2 or naza people. mmmmm… may be yes or,….maybe not. give me us a fact.
By the way, who will give proton access to latest techology for free? May be people like you
Shame on you, young kid…remember… do not emosional.
Well, I had a 1997 Wira, works fabulously, still running, my family is using it now. My brother is using the Iswara 1994, still running great, just need to clean up the carbon build-up soon. I drove a Ford Lynx, definitely better build quality, comfort and handling but more expensive to maintain and sadly, less reliable.
Sometimes we get bad cars. Some times many of us get bad cars. Or the ones having it good are just silent. But the old Mitsubishi engines sure are good workhorses.
As for Proton, one thing I know is they need to cut overheads and they need to be less top-heavy in structure. Too many managers and senior managers, not enough good engineers and designers.
Proton was started not only to make profits, but it was an industrialisation experiment and the hope was to create the upstream industry. To some extent, it has worked, foreign assemblers here do take supplies from Malaysian firms. Perhaps there is a need for a revamp. When one talks about alliances/JVs, it isn't so easy. Just take a look at Chrysler-Daimler and the magnitude of problems they had.
As for reliability, Proton from my experience, isn't at the bottom of the barrel. But it's far from the top too. There is definitely room for improvement. The question is : do they have the will do improve?
Patutlah pintu perdana sedap bunyinya bila ditutup, tapi pintu saga, iswara, wira bunyi kelepak kekadang nak tutup dua tiga kali baru bole tutup rapat yg kelakar pintu gen2, nak bukak kena tarik kuat2. tutup pun macam tu jugak.satu lagi yg heran kalau cerita pasal kualiti, eksport model bukan main cantik elok pulak tu,dulu iswara wira enjin injection, local punya karburetor (sistem ni tahun 1975 dah ada) lepas tu kualiti jgn cakaplah teruk punya jual kat luar negeri lagi murah, kita pulak kena subsidikan ibarat kera dihutan disusukan anak kat rumah mati kelaparan. satu lagi workmanship proton ni hancur, kerja diaorang kasar pintu ke tutup hood ke senget sana senget sini (aku pernah pakai & kena ). cuba tengok kia ke hyundai workmanship diaorang bagus, kemas aje (bapa aku pakai kia , adik aku pakai accent). satu lagi adik aku pakai waja 2004, ada ketika tiap2 malam datang rumah (rumah kitaorag satu taman) merungut waja dia macam2 problem sampai sekarang. (pasal aku tahu sikit2 ttg kereta) selalu ambil cuti hantar SC. macam mana aku nak beli proton ni? skg aku pakai p2 (kancil 3 tahun & kelisa 3tahun dah) so far no problem.
lets not ketuk lantis lah.
he got a point.
but proton is not a good measure of nationalism/pride/whatever
LEts talk about nationalissm/patriotism in terms of football. How many of you support malaysian team in world cup? or you all support other country team?
Now, that's a good measure of national pride. Not proton.
from my experience ar…those who complain ar…they haven't really tested the car b4..i'm not meaning u guys..it's my experience with the public…when gen2 was launch…ppl said "i heard ar…gen2 engine very hard2 start.."understand the word "I heard ar.."
then another case.."waja so heavy..1.6 where got enough.." when ask if he had driven a waja b4…answer"not yet"…
even avanza…"so big car, 1.3 sure underpower1"…when ask,do u own 1 or hv u driven it b4??answer "nope"…
these ppl ar…hokkien we say 'kei gau' (over clever)..watever they think must be right…if u really12 find out bout a car…ask the owner..the owner will tell u the real thing…my dad own an avanza and wira…wira almost11years d…sure la got some problem..but no big deal…it's a good car…avanza is also a good car..practical use..of coz12 race cannot la…
Currently I'am driving Wira 1.3, after 3 years of usage, I am quite satisfy with the engines. By abide to the maintenance schedule it works fine. The power window works perfectly, dun't have to open the doors if wanna pay toll. But the ECU gives a headache for me. Trouble even after retuning by MUT devise as PESC. Dunno how much longer I can tolerate with it. Right now eyeing another car, Wira SE, Gen2 Centennial (MCKK) version-got leather seat and with current promotion of RM9,000.00, and waiting for SRM or Savvy AMT. I will always supporting Malaysian products, if good quality, praise it, low quality, bash it.
apadah jadi dengan enjin buatan petronas jv dgn sauber. kenapa tak dipakai. performance macammana agaknya? siapa tahu?
i really believe what Protonite claimed that maybe proton has the first class engineers and designers. but the problem is they have third class money sucking cronies manipulating and taking profit from it.
proton in my opnion have already achived a world class status….in their cars such as the ever superb stable gen 2, waja n the small but strong Savvy.
but what plagues them is the suppliers….they r tonnes of cronies among them….n when that happens these suppliers know that they will get the project(to supply the matrial) no matter how the quality is………plastci bag quality sold at leather bag price….
my bro's 8 months old waja drives even better than a 1.8g altis that my dad has…its much stable n with manual gearbox is quite good drive……n dont compare both in cornering…waja simply better…n just found out a fully loaded 1.8g altis weighs 1200kg…..waja 1.6 auto…1175kg….i thought the altis would be better built? or they simply cost cut….but agreed the altis has better built quality….much better…..
i for now r the few who drives a savvy…..a very fun a speedy car…..but certainly its not for a family man….suitable for young couples….
n i too have found out…that the Vios weighs 980kg….for the 1.5 g…….savvy weighs 953kg….maybe the extra weight for the savvy is the exta strong steel n very rigid chassis….n with taht it drives very well…..BUT I WANT AIRBAGs N ABS……
choi said,
October 27, 2005 @ 8:43 am
Patutlah pintu perdana sedap bunyinya bila ditutup, tapi pintu saga, iswara, wira bunyi kelepak kekadang nak tutup dua tiga kali baru bole tutup rapat yg kelakar pintu gen2, nak bukak kena tarik kuat2. tutup pun macam tu jugak.satu lagi yg heran kalau cerita pasal kualiti, eksport model bukan main cantik elok pulak tu,dulu iswara wira enjin injection, local punya karburetor (sistem ni tahun 1975 dah ada) lepas tu kualiti jgn cakaplah teruk punya jual kat luar negeri lagi murah, kita pulak kena subsidikan ibarat kera dihutan disusukan anak kat rumah mati kelaparan. satu lagi workmanship proton ni hancur, kerja diaorang kasar pintu ke tutup hood ke senget sana senget sini (aku pernah pakai & kena ). cuba tengok kia ke hyundai workmanship diaorang bagus, kemas aje (bapa aku pakai kia , adik aku pakai accent). satu lagi adik aku pakai waja 2004, ada ketika tiap2 malam datang rumah (rumah kitaorag satu taman) merungut waja dia macam2 problem sampai sekarang. (pasal aku tahu sikit2 ttg kereta) selalu ambil cuti hantar SC. macam mana aku nak beli proton ni? skg aku pakai p2 (kancil 3 tahun & kelisa 3tahun dah) so far no problem.
AGREED!!!!!
by the way in reply to abe pie:
the development of Campro engine was announced after Potong acquired Lotus. at that time before being called Campro it is under a project known as SENG and it took 3 years to come up with the design and concept while some more time to make sample engines and various other tests as well.
however one thing that nobody knows is that Campro engine design is "based" (or more like copy and paste) on one of the engine design within Lotus's inventory. Eventhough subsequent results and performance valuations are quite encouraging, hence the decision to use Campro on Gen2, however there is a flaw within its design and the impact on the engine only shows up after roughly 30-50k km.
apparently somehow one design part that they (local engineers sent to Lotus's UK plant) had modified from the original engine is somewhere near the cylinder chamber shafts, cam shafts and lubricant oil well, resulting in inefficient lubrication, shaky, shuddering and noisy engine… this flaw was just found out two months ago and was discussed in some auto forums lately…
i dont have these infos on black and white to prove it, but neither does Lantis/Protonite… however this infos are what i learnt from my former brother-in-law who was one member of the teams of engineers sent to Lotus UK for technical and knowledge exchange in order to bring back Lotus's technology back to malaysia… and i dont have any reason not to believe him…
by the way, true, nobody will give technology to Potong for free, but why does Potong needs to ask other ppl for technology when they have already bought Lotus? all the technology that Lotus has or owns, becomes owned by Potong by default. all Potong need is to bring that knowledge back and apply it, and that results in Waja…
however just some knowledge is not enough, thus Potong needs to show ppl that they have succceeded in making an engine, but yet maybe becoz of patriotism or egoism, they decided to make some changes and then claim it as "Proudly designed by Malaysian"…! had Potong decided to just directly use that original Lotus engine on Gen2 without any tampering, i'm sure Gen2 would be a cult among Potong fans now….
by the way, since that Campro engine is not very design friendly and flawed, Potong has decided only to keep it for Gen2 series and not expand the engine's capabilities to other models… didnt u wonder why Potong did not decide to use Campro on Savvy, but took another carmaker's engine, even though Potong now "HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO DESIGN & BUILD" a car engine??? makes u wonder eh?
well u may continue to think that i'm just another green headed kid who knows nothing about local car industry, and if it makes u feel comfortable thinking that way, then just go ahead… it's not my problem…
To lantis, you missed the point completly my friend. Take a look at all the potong bashing forums around, its not about design, its not about looks, its about QUALITY!!. Myself as an example, I drive a proton (iswara, where got choice? since stupid policies sqeeze up foreign car prices so much), my parents drive a wira and my sister also drive a wira. My car, first day i got it, all sorts of stupid squeaks, f***, new car man.. how would u feel if u were in my shoes! 1 week later, power window spoil, double f***, another month time, water leak… took back to retarded PSC, say cannot find why.. nia mah.. felt like f***ing selling that piece of junk away right there and then (but cannot afford foreign car cuz u know why!).And to top it all off, feul guage and temp. guage kaput. GO FIGURE la POTONG!.. To make matters worse, complains to PSC gets u a blank stare and the replay "what to do, cheap ma potong!". F*** them.. what they mean cheap!. My parents wira abit more lucky, 1 month time front lamp and fog lights can rear gold fish, too back to PSC, change… then… power window spoil (normal lah, potong mah!), then worse of all ECU (or whatever they call the shit) kaput, duno the details) kaput. All these within 1 year!!! COME ON MAN… so what potong staff win this award that award, or how successfull.. bottom line to us consumers is the end product. For the amount that we pay and the quality that we get.. i say.. we deserve the right to slam potong as much as u want. This aint about patrioticism, its just the basic laws of economics my friend..SHAME on potong.. dun talk about designing your own cars or making ur own engines man.. can't even get these small things right ( like learning to run b4 even know how to walk). Bottom line is.. my current car potong.. my future cars… never ever a potong.. EVER!!!!! (i'm sure i'm not alone on this)
cheers
When the Waja came out, i quickly told my mom to buy 1. I like the styling, I like the driving and handling, and I like the 'solidness' the car feel. But after a few months, problem here, problem there (power window, door handle, squeeking noise, light bulb x 9)….Ok. I help my mom and take it to SC, and they wanted me to wait for 5 hours, not 1 time, but all the time, even booking.
So, what to do? I am a automotive fanatic, and I am grateful that Proton is from Malaysia, that allowed lots of oppurtonity and exposure to us. But, why is the QUALITY so dire?
I really hope PROTON will improve. I really do.
PLS listen to what customer wants, and have better Passenger cars for family, not small 'sporty' car.
Yalah. This is not about patrioticism. I also bought proton new car 5 years ago. Also problem here and there. The quality could be better for the amount i paid. Its about QUALITY and STAFF ATTITUDE. I also got scolded for complaining one problem 3 times because they can't fix it lah. The proton staff at the service centre actually raised the voice at me, mind you, for a quality problem they can't solve. So maybe proton staff very patriotic about their work …….
On the bright side, toyota, kia, hyundai got worse safety than proton. Makes me feel better.
Just wondering, why good engineers from PROTON leaved PROTON? If the company is good and has bright future, giving complement to the good ones, why are they leaving?
I believe lots of Malaysian stay in a company offer lower pay due to other circumstances, such as environment, friendly staff and bright future, right?
To Hatuk Ngkau :
Thanks for ur very good article. prove u re not green kid but not at green bennet level. but u have a good info.
My judgement, proton effort is better than perodua and naza bcoz they are more copy and paste.but proton quality is still low.
To izuaf.
Petronas are plan to sell their engine to China company
Till now, both company parties still study the proposal. So far, that was the stage. other info, don't have.
Aiyaaaa…..We talking about least safe car, but u all bashing proton….Wut the f*** wei???
good article by lantis..
my first car is iswara,2nd wira and Kancil.. then sell out kancil bought satria..then i sell everything im driving a waja…
my exeperience driving a proton .. they quality is there .. be rationallah peeps kau beli keta harga 40k nak safety macam Volvo,nak longer life 20 tahun,nak advance feature, taknak noice kat dalam..
I guess proton do offer the best of the premium u paid for.. pernah bawak keta honda jazz( now its about 100k something) suspension out , handling out pendek kata keta tu boleh lah compare ngan wira eroback infact aku rasa wira tu lagi best bawak dari honda tu.,. terpulang macam mana org menilai.. tak guna kalau ckp kosong kalau tak tahu menilai…
i guess my waja do out perfome other cars in its class… sometimes aku bawak keta korean aku compare ngan my waja i felt so relifh that thank god malaysia produce wajaas a competition for this korean scarp metals…
Hahaha… this comments turn to Potong bashing, bcoz:
1) Potong couldnt make it into the least-safe list.. so much for Malaysia Boleh spirit eh?
2) Potong is not even on any list!!! Nobody gives a damn hell for Potong there in US…
so how do we malaysian feel? after so much money that were taken from our pocket…
Even our national song are said to come from hawaii. Since everybody makes mistake in proton la, in national song la, in politics la and so on. Pls get out of the problem and be a NEW MALAYSIAN.
If you cannot DIY simple things like putting sealant across tiny leaks and many other simple DIY, you shouldnt be allowed to own a vehicle. If you cant afford an imported car since you think imported cars have much better quality, you can always leave this country and head to another where imported cars are cheaper. Nobody needs whiney bashers like you here anyway. If you dont like
the automotive policy here, get lost. Surprised if you hate Proton, hate the automotive industry, hate the "protection" on Proton then why are you still in this country? Migrate off to Japan, your beloved car manufacturing country. Is it difficult to do so? Then just think about how difficult it would be to increase quality and maintain the current pricing for Protons.
Specifications varies for each model. Therefore if you want "good" cars go ahead get an imported car (in which ofcourse you will face the same problem, since nothing is perfect) If you want Proton with very good quality, we have Perdana. Go ahead b*tch abouth the fact that it has no airbags, if you need airbags so badly go ahead get a MyVi, but you will be crushed to death inspite of the airbags compared to a Perdana without airbags.
Why dont you do something about it instead of complaining like a damn dumbf*ck.
yeah…quite true Reality Bites…now tat we all know tat our automotive policy is like tat…and we also know tat proton wont close shop…y not supporting it than to complain bout this and tat…small small thing also12 complain…if proton is in trouble..it wont be any good 4 us also..the government will pour in money to support proton…and we will end up with economy slowdown..and who suffer???we all la…all will suffer..maybe the old models are low in quality…but i'm telling u all…savvy is a good car..got TUV…u think TUV jz let proton put a TUV sticker on every savvy ar??not so easy1..sure got some standard…in performance wise..savvy,waja and gen2 outperformed its competitors…
safety..waja is the 1of the toughest in its class and of coz savvy "built tougher than you think"…wat else do u expect with the price u pay??door handle spoil..knob came off..all these small things la…the important thing is the door dun come off…the engine not on fire…so please la so called MALAYSIANS…if we dun support proton…who will??