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Proton Edar’s Proton Exora teaser page reveals how the Exora’s seats and seating configuration looks like. The seats are in the typical three-row MPV 2-3-2 order for 7 seats, and Proton claims them to be suitable for full adult seating.
From the looks of it every seat (wrapped with leather) has its own headrest, and Proton says there are also individual air conditioning blowers for each row. From the details revealed at the Proton Technology Week, it is revealed that the dedicated air conditioning vents for the 2nd and 3rd rows will be located at the ceiling of the Proton Exora MPV. The 2nd and 3rd row of the Proton Exora can also be folded in 6 flexible configurations, and it looks like the 2nd row’s middle seat can be folded down as an armrest. There will be a total of 10 cupholders in the MPV, which is more than 1 for each seat, so there should be more than enough space to keep one’s drinks on a road trip.
As previously revealed, the steering wheel will feature audio controls but there is no mention yet on what the phone button is for. The Proton Exora will have an overhead LCD player that can read VCDs and DVDs along with a variety of other storage devices such as devices using USB input, and a memory card slot that supports SD and MMC. This will likely be available only in the high spec model.
Speaking of specification levels, Proton has also revealed tentative prices for the Proton Exora on its booking page. The tentative pricing are RM 72,000 for the M-Line model with an automatic transmission, and RM 76,000 for the H-Line model with an automatic transmission. This is well under the RM 80,000 maximum figure previously quoted. So far only prices for automatic transmission models have been revealed but if the automatic M-Line is 72K, a manual transmission M-Line could go under RM70k if Proton decides to make such a model available. But I feel manual is a must for the Proton buyer segment, and I am pretty sure their product team knows this too.
Bookings for the Proton Exora just opened yesterday and Proton Edar reported over 350 bookings. Proton managing director Datuk Syed Zainal hopes to achieve between 4,000 to 5,000 bookings before the April launch date, which gives them roughly over a month to go.
There have also been other details on the Exora revealed over the past few months, please read our previous coverage on the Proton Exora to find out more exclusive details!
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70k+ is expensive if the power is so so.
aliBaPa said,
70k+ is expensive if the power is so so.
Typical Classic…
looks good…
ermm i think avanza is 1.5 and the price is 60k++..so what the different with Exore price..
i think malaysian want all proton car to be price at below rm30k kot..then with super low interest rate, with 20years repayment..
rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..
manthobb!!!!
hehe naza ria will suck your oil like hell..full tank i think around rm200..
yeah in term of space i like naza ria interior, even our family pernah want to buy one..but after some opinion from Ria owner, its not that ‘Ria’ opinion i think..
if you want big MPV, then buy Merc Vito..mini bus..
agree with paul the lower spec should be under 70k, mid 60s k ,
manual steel rim,
as i look normally B to H or lower M to H in a difference of about 10k,
so i presume the lower manual is 66k.
leather seat ?? PVC version i think ..
I dun think a 70k car got real leather inside ..
[quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
holy crap, where have u been since last year?? it's revealed that, it is torsion beam, n it is people mover, with loads to carry. remember, this is not sporty wagon, if u wants speed n handling, earn more n get urself a proper sports car. stop whining like most malaysian!
torsion beam will not change camber angle n any alignment when additional weight is on. torsion beam isnt old tech, if u wan2 talk about old tech, u shouldnt even use x86 processor like i7!
if it works, y change?! understand? when final product released only comment la smart boy.
i must say, the seat looks well design for a proton tho. n ofcz, for a rm70k, no real leather is used la. be prepare for the pvc smell :D agree with lambov12
from the photo revealed here, suspension setup looks like extended saga, does it looks similar paul? the front looks the same, rear definitely same torsion beam, just different spring rate n some adjustment for heavier load i guess
[quote comment="213286"]agree with paul the lower spec should be under 70k, mid 60s k ,
manual steel rim,
as i look normally B to H or lower M to H in a difference of about 10k,
so i presume the lower manual is 66k.[/quote]
10k?but from my past experience the diff between AT & MT for local car just 4k.the 10k diff is for the imported cars,x tau la klo dah tukar kot…
sekarang semua basher hentam tempat duduk kulit… bila pakai fabrik biasa lak korang kata murah… bila pakai kulit dan harga kereta lak murah… korang kata ada bau pvc!! memang basher ni hidung diaorang boleh bau yang orang lain tak leh bau… macam anjing…
this car is purely underpower 1.6 CPS is under power. The car body is too heavy. I will not pay 70k for 1.6 L. I would expect a 1.8L cps
[quote comment="213374"]sekarang semua basher hentam tempat duduk kulit… bila pakai fabrik biasa lak korang kata murah… bila pakai kulit dan harga kereta lak murah… korang kata ada bau pvc!! memang basher ni hidung diaorang boleh bau yang orang lain tak leh bau… macam anjing…[/quote]
er, basher? read my comment pls la, i just agree tat at this level of price, dont expect to get real leather. synthetic leather have chemical smell. some people dont like tat smell.
as for vexus, did u test drove neo cps? its over 1200kg, this mpv i expect it less than 1400kg bcz of the ultra high tensile strength steel. if u tested neo cps, i bet u wouldnt said that. with revised gear ratio, it wont be under powered
[quote comment="213362"][quote comment="213286"]agree with paul the lower spec should be under 70k, mid 60s k ,
manual steel rim,
as i look normally B to H or lower M to H in a difference of about 10k,
so i presume the lower manual is 66k.[/quote]
10k?but from my past experience the diff between AT & MT for local car just 4k.the 10k diff is for the imported cars,x tau la klo dah tukar kot…[/quote]
10k he meant is difference between different spec, not transmission. means comparing B-line to M-line to H-line
like i said, it is people mover, it's not for sport. as long as it has the power to carry 7people go genting, it is good enough. unless proton wants to go high end merket, then this setup will not work unless they go for higher cc.
if u want great acceleration without breaking ur bank account, go for go-kart 125cc LOL dont just talk, even i sponsor u a great cart, not all are talented drivers who can handle the power! if even a 125cc cart u cant handle, dont even talk about high power car. with your ego, u'll just make a mess of yourself soon enough.
For your information, Nissan Grand Livina also using Torsion Beam but at least for Proton they are not giving you the el-cheapo "rear drum brakes"..
http://www.nissan.com.my/vehicles/GrandLivina/M_G…
luckily they didnt give u race seats …
or else your arse will be very upset ..
hahax ..
or mayb they will do that when they launched the Proton Exora 1.8 turbo sport version ..
[quote comment="213412"]luckily they didnt give u race seats …
or else your arse will be very upset ..
hahax ..
or mayb they will do that when they launched the Proton Exora 1.8 turbo sport version ..[/quote]
lol i still dont like the idea of every economical car, especially mpv, turns to sport edition…unless in the development stage they already thought of that, n designed that way.
i must say again, the seat's design is great, even when u look at it, u'll feel ur back will be comfortable when u sit on it during the long trip ;) back support n side support seems to be spot on.
I've said this before and I'll say it again – Proton is definitely moving in the right direction with this MPV.
=)
aku rasa tempat duduk kulit tu sama kualiti macam model proton yang lain… yang aku risau… ada salesman proton yang kata M-Line 1.6 H-Line pulak 1.8… delay ke April sebab ada masalah transmisi…
Harap pihak Proton ajar betul betul salesman nih…. jangan harapkan salesman jual kereta… tapi punahkan proton!!
p/s: Bukan salesman proton edar…
diesel version i wish they put it into their consideration
[quote comment="213326"]leather seat ?? PVC version i think ..
I dun think a 70k car got real leather inside ..[/quote]
My brother's Persona SE was claimed to have a full leather seat but I am pretty it is PVC instead. Does anybody know the real story?
[quote comment="213428"][quote comment="213326"]leather seat ?? PVC version i think ..
I dun think a 70k car got real leather inside ..[/quote]
My brother's Persona SE was claimed to have a full leather seat but I am pretty it is PVC instead. Does anybody know the real story?[/quote]
but dont get me wrong. I like the look of the car. persona SE on blue haze looks nice.
revise gear ratio it would not be underpower but higher FC. Nowaday at 2.5k rpm the speed is 100kmh to 110kmh. If a reverse gear ratio like saga blm 3k rpm only 90kmh, do you know how much fuel u need to press to achieve that speed?
Its getting nearer to the launching date!!
Looks good! I like it!
got a glimpse of the product training slides from a branch manager. these facts are confirmed:
– no manual across all model
– CPS across all model
– steering buttons are for blue tooth hp control
– size is bigger than lavina, lower than avanza, slightly bigger than wish
– air-cond duct on the side of each row (above the window) with controls
– leather seats for high-line
– niffty features incld – follow home lights means head lights stay on for 30 sec after you stop engine to open your gates
– ABS, EBD, and BEBD if EBD fails
– new rims design
– indicator to tell you if remote control batt is failing
– remote can just open the driver doors instead all
– 80 degree door opening
– lock will lockdown only you break after travelling more than 20km/hr
– dashboard does look cheap and plasticky
– Adjustable intermitten wiper
– white, silver, black and the weird bronze/brown
– 2 srs airbags only
– 70k – 80k with M & H line
– Target buyer Avanza, Lavina and Citra pricing
– Spec and size closer to Stream and Wish (so they claim)
– Quite a few other few futures look impressive
– Design look, so so parked beside a wish
– But look huge and tall beside lavina
– Cruise controls, LCD with SD card slot, navigator same with Pesona SE is for H-Line only
– 125bhp, claims better touque than Lavina 1.6
– oh. yeah wing mirror signals
Thats all I can remember, hope it helps.
oh one other thing, the floor of the boot can be lifted to a space well (plastic) suitable for muddy boots or hidden weapon, LOL! there is a safety net too.
You people all like to bash here and there. If you all are rich and have alot of money, just buy your dream cars. If U don't like it, don't bash. If U like it give good comments. If U think that U guys are smart enough, try to put up a car company and let see how smart U are in building a car.
Just be in other people's shoes. U guys like to critic other people's work.
Just think if somebody criticise U back. How do U guys feel.
Everybody here wants to be MR know-it-all.
I'm too not that good. At least I know that I'm not that expert when talking
and discussing about cars at least Malaysia has it's car company.
It's the only car company in the south east asia.
We have something to be proud of.
Let just Proton do thier work.
REMEMBER, IF U GUYS DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T BUY IT.
IF YOU GUYS STILL DON'T LIKE IT, GIVE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
AT LEAST WHEN U GUYS GIVE ANY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM HOPEFULLY THEY'LL LISTEN. THINK BEFORE YOU LEAP.
well.. basher will remain basher i guess..
but for me, i believe this Exora will revive Proton in this coming future.
But yet again, i do hope all d past mistake/problem have been well encountered by the fellow Protonians.
Peace!
tayar kitar semula said,
February 22, 2009 @ 10:21 am · Reply with quote
aku rasa tempat duduk kulit tu sama kualiti macam model proton yang lain… yang aku risau… ada salesman proton yang kata M-Line 1.6 H-Line pulak 1.8… delay ke April sebab ada masalah transmisi…
Harap pihak Proton ajar betul betul salesman nih…. jangan harapkan salesman jual kereta… tapi punahkan proton!!
p/s: Bukan salesman proton edar…
_____________________________
agreed with kitar semula, one week before NEO CPS launch, i went to proton showroom, n ask abt the NEO CPS, but the salesman dont hv any idea abt that NEO, so i supposed proton should keep the salesman up to date with new info, and one more thing, i also ask abt what is CPS (jz wanna test the salesman knowledge), the answer was very disappointing, the salesman dont hv freking idea what is CPS.. shame, really shame
[quote comment="213443"]You people all like to bash here and there. If you all are rich and have alot of money, just buy your dream cars. If U don't like it, don't bash. If U like it give good comments. If U think that U guys are smart enough, try to put up a car company and let see how smart U are in building a car.
Just be in other people's shoes. U guys like to critic other people's work.
Just think if somebody criticise U back. How do U guys feel.
Everybody here wants to be MR know-it-all.
I'm too not that good. At least I know that I'm not that expert when talking
and discussing about cars at least Malaysia has it's car company.
It's the only car company in the south east asia.
We have something to be proud of.
Let just Proton do thier work.
REMEMBER, IF U GUYS DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T BUY IT.
IF YOU GUYS STILL DON'T LIKE IT, GIVE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.
AT LEAST WHEN U GUYS GIVE ANY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM HOPEFULLY THEY'LL LISTEN. THINK BEFORE YOU LEAP.[/quote]
er, but i din see any bashing comment in here yet…calm down dude
[quote comment="213463"]tayar kitar semula said,
February 22, 2009 @ 10:21 am · Reply with quote
aku rasa tempat duduk kulit tu sama kualiti macam model proton yang lain… yang aku risau… ada salesman proton yang kata M-Line 1.6 H-Line pulak 1.8… delay ke April sebab ada masalah transmisi…
Harap pihak Proton ajar betul betul salesman nih…. jangan harapkan salesman jual kereta… tapi punahkan proton!!
p/s: Bukan salesman proton edar…
_____________________________
agreed with kitar semula, one week before NEO CPS launch, i went to proton showroom, n ask abt the NEO CPS, but the salesman dont hv any idea abt that NEO, so i supposed proton should keep the salesman up to date with new info, and one more thing, i also ask abt what is CPS (jz wanna test the salesman knowledge), the answer was very disappointing, the salesman dont hv freking idea what is CPS.. shame, really shame[/quote]
actually proton did their job, few weeks b4 new model launch, they will send info to their dealer to educate salesman. it's just the salesman's issue not to be initiative n study! some even with info at hand they dnt wan2 read or try to understand! most of these salesman wnt be around few months later. im really curios on how these dealers get their cheapo money minded sales executives
Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!!
[quote comment="213430"]revise gear ratio it would not be underpower but higher FC. Nowaday at 2.5k rpm the speed is 100kmh to 110kmh. If a reverse gear ratio like saga blm 3k rpm only 90kmh, do you know how much fuel u need to press to achieve that speed?[/quote]
as for ur concern, in proton's mitsu auto box, there r 4 gears, 1st n 2nd's ratio can change to closer, 3rd can maintain, while 4th can go lower for lower rpm speed. if all not fine for u, there is still final ratio to alter the whole thing higher or lower depends on what proton wants. for my manual neo, rpm 2k is at around 90kmh, 3k is around 120kmh.
gear ratio n rpm is 1 of the factor in affecting FC, Cd also affect FC, drag at higher speed. i hope proton can look into this matter for improving FC, front underbelly pan, n other reduction of drag under the car n car surface. drag can affect FC alot. an aerodynamic car can cut FC around 10% compares to stock condition, even for an old car. Note, well designed aerodynamic doesnt mean improve downforce. its just allow the car cut thru air smoother
[quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
since when wira gets campro cps? did u test drove waja cps?
acerman said,
dude…dont be so emotional..i dont see any bashing comment here…haiyaa…
[quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
learn about the engine a bit. my advise
are you sure you are here in malaysia?
where are you,
[quote comment="213471"][quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
since when wira gets campro cps? did u test drove waja cps?[/quote]
Hey Bro !!! sorry…. i mean 1.5 litre engine for Wira and 1.6 litre campro CPS engine for proton Waja….. sorry 4 da mistake coz i was typing quite fast… Well, im from Singapore but i do get to drive my uncle's waja campro before in Johor Bahru… The engine seems quite underpowered 4 da Waja though acceptable 4 normal use…. comparin' it with a honda city's 1.5 engine is much better than a 1.6 campro…. So, i think if 1.6 campro CPS engine's power capacity is not that powerful for a sedan, then how it gonna withstand the power needed for a big MPV like this… It would be much better if they can use a 2.0 litre engine…. At least it wud give a better run for the MPV…
Hmmm.. any idea of power windows?
[quote comment="213467"]Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered…..!!![/quote]
hahahaha.. ROTFL!
What a blind and *&*^&^564%^$^ basher !
wow… if there's wira CPS.. i bet it's a good damn car. so much output power and torque for old small car.
anyway, i think this exora is not underpower. but the avanza yes.
if they change the gear ratio, don't worry about the fc. because of what?
because of the designed function for CPS (and IAFM? and VIM?).
that's really different from avanza 1.5 vvti (with only 109hp ) only assigned for FC but not power. It's suffer alot for highspeed/hi-way driving. (btw.. tested hard to get 150kmh!) the handling also worst because the tall design. you can easily turtled spin on high speed corner.
I bet, this Exora will be the best in it's class.
[quote comment="213481"][quote comment="213471"][quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
since when wira gets campro cps? did u test drove waja cps?[/quote]
Hey Bro !!! sorry…. i mean 1.5 litre engine for Wira and 1.6 litre campro CPS engine for proton Waja….. sorry 4 da mistake coz i was typing quite fast… Well, im from Singapore but i do get to drive my uncle's waja campro before in Johor Bahru… The engine seems quite underpowered 4 da Waja though acceptable 4 normal use…. comparin' it with a honda city's 1.5 engine is much better than a 1.6 campro…. So, i think if 1.6 campro CPS engine's power capacity is not that powerful for a sedan, then how it gonna withstand the power needed for a big MPV like this… It would be much better if they can use a 2.0 litre engine…. At least it wud give a better run for the MPV…[/quote]
weight of this mpv is under 1400kg i believe, with revised gear ratio, i believe it just might have the power to pull. as proton has tested it long enough on real world situation with artificial weight. it is big, but steel used is different from any proton b4 tho. satria neo has solid high tensile strength steel, while this gona have ultra high tensile strength steel that is higher density yet at lower weight.
[quote comment="213485"][quote comment="213467"]Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered…..!!![/quote]
hahahaha.. ROTFL!
What a blind and *&*^&^564%^$^ basher !
wow… if there's wira CPS.. i bet it's a good damn car. so much output power and torque for old small car.
anyway, i think this exora is not underpower. but the avanza yes.
if they change the gear ratio, don't worry about the fc. because of what?
because of the designed function for CPS (and IAFM? and VIM?).
that's really different from avanza 1.5 vvti (with only 109hp ) only assigned for FC but not power. It's suffer alot for highspeed/hi-way driving. (btw.. tested hard to get 150kmh!) the handling also worst because the tall design. you can easily turtled spin on high speed corner.
I bet, this Exora will be the best in it's class.[/quote]
i wouldnt say best la, toyota gona release new wish, n how about honda stream? n those in europe? i would say, its a good effort for the 1st try, with this as base, their future mpv will gets better! ;)
all the best proton…
[quote comment="213480"][quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
learn about the engine a bit. my advise
are you sure you are here in malaysia?
where are you,[/quote]
as of what i said….. sorry for the spelling mistake coz i was typing fast……. Well, i agree i dont really know much about proton because im from Singapore….. and im not here to bash proton…. What i meant was comparing a 1.5 litre city's engine and Waja CamPro CPS, i find the power supllied by the CPS for Waja is not enough…. The Honda City is far more better for its engine…. I test drove my uncle's Waja CPS in JB…. If and only if u hav a chance to drive both these car for review. try comparin' it and see how much power lack u can see in CPS engine… sorry but i didnt mean to hurt anyone here, its just based on my personal experience… So, my question is though the 1.6 campro cps engine is compatible for the proton MPV, wud it deliver enough power for a big MPV like this, added if u hav a vacation to hillside ????
[quote comment="213488"][quote comment="213481"][quote comment="213471"][quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
since when wira gets campro cps? did u test drove waja cps?[/quote]
Hey Bro !!! sorry…. i mean 1.5 litre engine for Wira and 1.6 litre campro CPS engine for proton Waja….. sorry 4 da mistake coz i was typing quite fast… Well, im from Singapore but i do get to drive my uncle's waja campro before in Johor Bahru… The engine seems quite underpowered 4 da Waja though acceptable 4 normal use…. comparin' it with a honda city's 1.5 engine is much better than a 1.6 campro…. So, i think if 1.6 campro CPS engine's power capacity is not that powerful for a sedan, then how it gonna withstand the power needed for a big MPV like this… It would be much better if they can use a 2.0 litre engine…. At least it wud give a better run for the MPV…[/quote]
weight of this mpv is under 1400kg i believe, with revised gear ratio, i believe it just might have the power to pull. as proton has tested it long enough on real world situation with artificial weight. it is big, but steel used is different from any proton b4 tho. satria neo has solid high tensile strength steel, while this gona have ultra high tensile strength steel that is higher density yet at lower weight.[/quote]
okay….. if thats the case, then all the best for their success…. i dunno whether i wud get a chance to test drive one since im in singapore but im lookin forward for a test drive review !!!
[quote comment="213497"][quote comment="213488"][quote comment="213481"][quote comment="213471"][quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
since when wira gets campro cps? did u test drove waja cps?[/quote]
Hey Bro !!! sorry…. i mean 1.5 litre engine for Wira and 1.6 litre campro CPS engine for proton Waja….. sorry 4 da mistake coz i was typing quite fast… Well, im from Singapore but i do get to drive my uncle's waja campro before in Johor Bahru… The engine seems quite underpowered 4 da Waja though acceptable 4 normal use…. comparin' it with a honda city's 1.5 engine is much better than a 1.6 campro…. So, i think if 1.6 campro CPS engine's power capacity is not that powerful for a sedan, then how it gonna withstand the power needed for a big MPV like this… It would be much better if they can use a 2.0 litre engine…. At least it wud give a better run for the MPV…[/quote]
weight of this mpv is under 1400kg i believe, with revised gear ratio, i believe it just might have the power to pull. as proton has tested it long enough on real world situation with artificial weight. it is big, but steel used is different from any proton b4 tho. satria neo has solid high tensile strength steel, while this gona have ultra high tensile strength steel that is higher density yet at lower weight.[/quote]
okay….. if thats the case, then all the best for their success…. i dunno whether i wud get a chance to test drive one since im in singapore but im lookin forward for a test drive review !!![/quote]
for me, its just adequate for an mpv to move ppl, i dont expect it to fly :D anyway, waja is much heavier than city, about 200kg more. so i would say, campro cps has potential, just that the body weight has to keep low, cz cars like city n vios is under 1000kg while all current protons(even saga) is over 1000kg -.-"
everybody have rights to comment here..so just not call any of them basher..chill out bro.. it all about personal opinion..and mostly it just from the picture n review in here..
so..lets just wait until it is launch..then we know…
just hoping the engine doing great…hopefully this mpv is like what we all expect..
cheers..
ops, savvy is under 1000kg hehe around the weight of vios
[quote comment="213504"]everybody have rights to comment here..so just not call any of them basher..chill out bro.. it all about personal opinion..and mostly it just from the picture n review in here..
so..lets just wait until it is launch..then we know…
just hoping the engine doing great…hopefully this mpv is like what we all expect..
cheers..[/quote]
haha agree, but i dnt expect anything out of ordinary from this cps in mpv :) it will do fine for the weight, but not excellent
current protons are generally heavier than the competitons, i know that it's a mpv, but it'll be underpowered cps or not. Given the vast volume of loading areas, some drivers will treat it like a van and load heavy stuffs in it sometimes…needs a 1.6 turbo to go properly i think
[quote comment="213497"][quote comment="213488"][quote comment="213481"][quote comment="213471"][quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
since when wira gets campro cps? did u test drove waja cps?[/quote]
Hey Bro !!! sorry…. i mean 1.5 litre engine for Wira and 1.6 litre campro CPS engine for proton Waja….. sorry 4 da mistake coz i was typing quite fast… Well, im from Singapore but i do get to drive my uncle's waja campro before in Johor Bahru… The engine seems quite underpowered 4 da Waja though acceptable 4 normal use…. comparin' it with a honda city's 1.5 engine is much better than a 1.6 campro…. So, i think if 1.6 campro CPS engine's power capacity is not that powerful for a sedan, then how it gonna withstand the power needed for a big MPV like this… It would be much better if they can use a 2.0 litre engine…. At least it wud give a better run for the MPV…[/quote]
weight of this mpv is under 1400kg i believe, with revised gear ratio, i believe it just might have the power to pull. as proton has tested it long enough on real world situation with artificial weight. it is big, but steel used is different from any proton b4 tho. satria neo has solid high tensile strength steel, while this gona have ultra high tensile strength steel that is higher density yet at lower weight.[/quote]
okay….. if thats the case, then all the best for their success…. i dunno whether i wud get a chance to test drive one since im in singapore but im lookin forward for a test drive review !!![/quote]
for me, its just adequate for an mpv to move ppl, i dont expect it to fly :D anyway, waja is much heavier than city, about 200kg more. so i would say, campro cps has potential, just that the body weight has to keep low, cz cars like city n vios is under 1000kg while all current protons(even saga) is over 1000kg -.-"[/quote]
exactly…. it depends on each individual actually…. coz some people might just want a vehicle for to move people around…. in that case, this MPV wud be suitable for them i guess perhaps because they're not expectin' it to fly as u mentioned… but im a fast driver…. i prefer a powerful figure… it would be much better if proton come up with an addittional optional engine with engine higher capacity around 2.0 litre in the near future coz im sure there are many drivers like me whom are fast drivers…. hehe…. i like the front design of this MPV though…. quite up-to-date and sleekier …
lets math
proton exora = 72k
exora + 400cc then +1 more seat – leather seat – accessory = innova 9*k
toyota innova + 300% tax =9*k
proton exora w/o tax = 72k
x compare lg dengan naza ria 2.4 yg lg murah tu ….@ nissan g livina 1.8
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harap2 body Exora ni light weight.
ape2 pun proton dah ada mpv sendiri….. kira okey ler tu…
PS: tak yakin ngan low cc mpv nih …malaysia banyak bukit …kang overrevving pastu enjin blow tengah mendaki …kan susah…kasi up sikit cc tu..
Great Job from Proton. Really happy that they are moving the right direction. Take this as "dessert" first. We already had news saying more engines are in development. May be in near future there will be diesel or even 1.8turbo etc etc.
As about the seats. For me leather is fine, looks good too. If scare of the heat, tint the whole car =).
IMO. even all these wish/stream MPV are not good enough. best value for money i must say is NAZA Ria. Its so huge inside u can even BBQ inside! (haha! joking) Peace.!
mpv is not a sports car,
mpv is for sensible driving
1.6 is ediquate,
avanza 1.5
livina have 1.6
it ll do the job.
lately proton practicing engine tunining and setting, gearbox calibration.
the neo cps calibrated differently so do the mpv.
naza ria = super fuel guzzler if u know what i mean. wish = hot mpv, why? No ac duct at rear + space so small. Avanza = pick up like ride. Livina = children mover, or dog mover. Exora = wait n see >:)
well, those Proton fans would like to call those constructive criticism a "BASHER", SIGH.
well, seriously speaks, if this Proton place its price at aroung RM 68,000 to
RM 72,999 for the HIGH line specs, then it'll be a hot cake, coz it's a NEW range of car u guys(PROTON) implement, u sure have to make some promotion to test the market, then if it goes well, u only raise the price to RM 75,999, then it'll be ok.
Don't simply call anybody a BASHER u these simple minded person, I acted like this because if u acted u r addicted to this Proton MPV, u will get conned by those Proton guys, & they will place or propose a higher price for their cars, since u will accept the car whatever the price it is.
So don't be foolish and show your love to this car yet, coz some of the management maybe use some psychology to read consumers mind, hmm… maybe?
hehe naza ria will suck your oil like hell..full tank i think around rm200..
yeah in term of space i like naza ria interior, even our family pernah want to buy one..but after some opinion from Ria owner, its not that 'Ria' opinion i think..
if you want big MPV, then buy Merc Vito..mini bus..
wait till you guys sit on it…for a person that have weight slightly > 100kg and height of 180 cm ++ i feel comfortable sitting at the first row and 2nd row…but not that comfy at the last row…but still can sit nicely at the 3rd row…the quality n comfy feeling of the seat is thing that i like so much about exora…
bullshit….70k++???what for?i better add 10 fe2w thousand k to get a better quality car…
[quote comment="213560"]wait till you guys sit on it…for a person that have weight slightly > 100kg and height of 180 cm ++ i feel comfortable sitting at the first row and 2nd row…but not that comfy at the last row…but still can sit nicely at the 3rd row…the quality n comfy feeling of the seat is thing that i like so much about exora…[/quote]
Thx for ur preview hehe i guess lots of ppl r waiting for it ;)
[quote comment="213565"]bullshit….70k++???what for?i better add 10 fe2w thousand k to get a better quality car…[/quote]
never thought cow's dung can come out from human mouth tho, mind demonstrating? oh, nvm, u just demonstrated with cow's dung still on ur fingers that typed quoted comment ;)
funny.. i can swear that a few ppl here look or act like a Proton salesman… is it my imagination or they truly r? some of the comments from other ppl can't even be considered bashing but these guys quickly 'zerging' those ppl… calling Proton bashers, uneducated etc… owh come on, be matured, not all ppl will agree on one thing but to attact just on the fact that other ppl have different view is.. well, childish!
unless, you have some sort of 'kepentingan' in this…hmmm… as for the rest of Malaysian (me include), we r looking for decent comments from different angle just to make sure we'll not miss anything, so that we can give extra attention to it during TD or whatever… to confirm is it as it said… so whatver +ve or -ve comments are welcomed as long as u all don't use personal attact approach.. it's lame… really…
so please-lah, stop calling names… i'm quite sure that all here not stupid, if u want to hear one side of story just go to Proton showrooms, u'll hear all nice thing about Proton, u want to hear all nice thing about Avanza go to Toyota's showroom an so on… here is… well, a place to hear +ve & -ve about all thing in automotive world (at least that's what it should be)…
the difference between the ML and HL is about RM4000…with same engine and transmission, the HL must have quite a lot of accessories compared to the ML…the DVD & LCD is sure…wat else??
no wonder naza ria now got NGV version
with dat kind of ICE accessories, the price tags could be justified..
tp stil early to judge..
[quote comment="213517"][quote comment="213497"][quote comment="213488"][quote comment="213481"][quote comment="213471"][quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
since when wira gets campro cps? did u test drove waja cps?[/quote]
Hey Bro !!! sorry…. i mean 1.5 litre engine for Wira and 1.6 litre campro CPS engine for proton Waja….. sorry 4 da mistake coz i was typing quite fast… Well, im from Singapore but i do get to drive my uncle's waja campro before in Johor Bahru… The engine seems quite underpowered 4 da Waja though acceptable 4 normal use…. comparin' it with a honda city's 1.5 engine is much better than a 1.6 campro…. So, i think if 1.6 campro CPS engine's power capacity is not that powerful for a sedan, then how it gonna withstand the power needed for a big MPV like this… It would be much better if they can use a 2.0 litre engine…. At least it wud give a better run for the MPV…[/quote]
weight of this mpv is under 1400kg i believe, with revised gear ratio, i believe it just might have the power to pull. as proton has tested it long enough on real world situation with artificial weight. it is big, but steel used is different from any proton b4 tho. satria neo has solid high tensile strength steel, while this gona have ultra high tensile strength steel that is higher density yet at lower weight.[/quote]
okay….. if thats the case, then all the best for their success…. i dunno whether i wud get a chance to test drive one since im in singapore but im lookin forward for a test drive review !!![/quote]
for me, its just adequate for an mpv to move ppl, i dont expect it to fly :D anyway, waja is much heavier than city, about 200kg more. so i would say, campro cps has potential, just that the body weight has to keep low, cz cars like city n vios is under 1000kg while all current protons(even saga) is over 1000kg -.-"[/quote]
exactly…. it depends on each individual actually…. coz some people might just want a vehicle for to move people around…. in that case, this MPV wud be suitable for them i guess perhaps because they're not expectin' it to fly as u mentioned… but im a fast driver…. i prefer a powerful figure… it would be much better if proton come up with an addittional optional engine with engine higher capacity around 2.0 litre in the near future coz im sure there are many drivers like me whom are fast drivers…. hehe…. i like the front design of this MPV though…. quite up-to-date and sleekier …[/quote]
i like to drive fast too, v can always get more than 1 car actually. so for 1 car/bike is for work n city use, 1 for family outing, n another for my own pleasure(speed, cornering, sunday drive) :D or to satisfy my speed addiction, go for go-kart! ;) cheap n fast, after all, go-kart is RR, rear engine, rear wheel drive
[quote comment="213555"]well, those Proton fans would like to call those constructive criticism a "BASHER", SIGH.
well, seriously speaks, if this Proton place its price at aroung RM 68,000 to
RM 72,999 for the HIGH line specs, then it'll be a hot cake, coz it's a NEW range of car u guys(PROTON) implement, u sure have to make some promotion to test the market, then if it goes well, u only raise the price to RM 75,999, then it'll be ok.
Don't simply call anybody a BASHER u these simple minded person, I acted like this because if u acted u r addicted to this Proton MPV, u will get conned by those Proton guys, & they will place or propose a higher price for their cars, since u will accept the car whatever the price it is.
So don't be foolish and show your love to this car yet, coz some of the management maybe use some psychology to read consumers mind, hmm… maybe?[/quote]
simple minded or not, u cant assume other ppl's 1 n single behavior to be their personality. buy it or not it's their decision, dont say con. like u devillized proton's salesman, is no different from bashing. owning a car needs some passion to continue driving it, after all, car is a liability, not asset. to create urge n crave is marketing's job. if proton's marketing cant do their job, might as well just fire them.
understand what i mean? ppl label u as basher has their reason, cz u reasoning seems shallow
for some here..leather is not as expensive as in 1990 s..but i bet its not a full leather seat.which means..the front part would be leather and the unused part will be high quality PVC or lower quality leather..
but nowadays PVC has come a long way where they work much better than leather..so i would complain if its either one..
next..many here are sceptical about the 1.6 cc cps engine..and it will turn away potential buyers of these MPV..no doubt of that..proton should have atleast supercharged the engine to make it more powerful(i am not saying the current cps engine is not powerful but in a general buyers point of view) which will encourage buyers to choose it compared to its rivals…i hope proton will do so in the near future..because it will surely improve sales or maybe accelerate sales volumes…
a friend of mine has been testing this MPV for sometime(he works in proton)..and he said the power is adequate..which means enough for a MPV with a full load..and proton has been testing alot to ensure there is no feel of underpower..
and the FC is also said to be average..not great nor the worst..
he said proton has been planning for diesel engine plus a bigger engine option for this MPV but it will be on next year…or the following year..not this year unless sales is really not up to expectation..
but proton has learn from its past mistakens..quality has been improved alot..all buttons and switches have better feel and fits and finish has been improved alot…he said its comparable with toyota particularly the Wish…
he is driving a proton savvy currently and looking forward for this MPV..he said the specs level is the important factor for this mpv to sell..
he did advise me..this MPV does its job well as a comfortable people mover but not a sedan like sporty drive..so people have to choose what they want…
but next addition of the MPV will be more sporty..with higher performance..that is around 2010 or 2011….
Heavy and underpowered huh??
Exora cps-1380kg, 125bhp, 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja cps-1269kg, 125bhp 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Persona iafm-1245kg, 110bhp, 140Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja CPS is havier than Persona and a little bit lighter than Exora, it's never feel underpowered… if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem…
[quote comment="213597"]
he is driving a proton savvy currently and looking forward for this MPV..he said the specs level is the important factor for this mpv to sell..
he did advise me..this MPV does its job well as a comfortable people mover but not a sedan like sporty drive..so people have to choose what they want…
but next addition of the MPV will be more sporty..with higher performance..that is around 2010 or 2011….[/quote]
there'll be more sporty in 2010/2011? sound interesting :)
will there be an SUV?
i will buy one if my pay get raised.. MALAYSIA DAH BOLEH….
[quote comment="213600"]Heavy and underpowered huh??
Exora cps-1380kg, 125bhp, 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja cps-1269kg, 125bhp 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Persona iafm-1245kg, 110bhp, 140Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja CPS is havier than Persona and a little bit lighter than Exora, it's never feel underpowered… if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem…[/quote]
cps have better gerarbox than persona, 2 different geatbox.
tweak gear ratio can solve under power issue but not solve high full consumption and smooth of gear, unless Exora can come with 5 seed auto gearbox to achieve better fuel consumption.
if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem.
cps have better gerarbox than persona, 2 different geatbox.
tweak gear ratio can solve under power issue but not solve high full consumption and smooth of gear, unless Exora can come with 5 seed auto gearbox to achieve better fuel consumption.[quote comment="213600"]Heavy and underpowered huh??
Exora cps-1380kg, 125bhp, 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja cps-1269kg, 125bhp 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Persona iafm-1245kg, 110bhp, 140Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja CPS is havier than Persona and a little bit lighter than Exora, it's never feel underpowered… if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem…[/quote]
cps have better gerarbox than persona, 2 different geatbox.
tweak gear ratio can solve under power issue but not solve high full consumption and smooth of gear, unless Exora can come with 5 seed auto gearbox to achieve better fuel consumption.
gearbox for all is the same mitsu invec2 gearbox without tiptronic la….where got different….
cps or not.its the same gearbox..but the TCU have been modified for smoother changes and faster response…
[quote comment="213667"][quote comment="213600"]Heavy and underpowered huh??
Exora cps-1380kg, 125bhp, 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja cps-1269kg, 125bhp 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Persona iafm-1245kg, 110bhp, 140Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja CPS is havier than Persona and a little bit lighter than Exora, it's never feel underpowered… if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem…[/quote]
cps have better gerarbox than persona, 2 different geatbox.
tweak gear ratio can solve under power issue but not solve high full consumption and smooth of gear, unless Exora can come with 5 seed auto gearbox to achieve better fuel consumption.
if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem.[/quote]
all kind of MPV's is a fuel guzzler because of the gear ratio isn't the same with sedan gear ratio… 139Nm torque@3000rpm@90-92km/h is very acceptable for me since i'm consider it's not a sport car… for me, i will never ever push this MPV over the limits with my family in it… driving around 50-70km/h is a pleasure, around the town with comfortable, for me it's good enoguh… anyways, i will wait for manual tarnsmission available in market..
trustgtr wrote:
rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i’ll go for a Rondo for sure..
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fastcx said,
holy crap, where have u been since last year?? it’s revealed that, it is torsion beam, n it is people mover, with loads to carry. remember, this is not sporty wagon, if u wants speed n handling, earn more n get urself a proper sports car. stop whining like most malaysian!
torsion beam will not change camber angle n any alignment when additional weight is on. torsion beam isnt old tech, if u wan2 talk about old tech, u shouldnt even use x86 processor like i7!
if it works, y change?! understand? when final product released only comment la smart boy.
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agree with fastcx.
wei trustgtr..vios oso use torsion beam what??
u know purpose of torsion beam or not..go to wikipedia lawei b4 comment!! stupid a*sHo**!
atleast the 3rd row seater is more more more comfy compared with toyota passo sette…
Nice search for interior detail Paul.. :)
and i tink proton shouldnt emphasize on the handling tingy oso…since its family oriented , ride comfort.space,quite ambience is of paramount importance to targeted buyers…
Kudos for Proton's team. Sub-RM80k is ok though RM69 for entry will be better if Proton looking for oversea markets i.e Indonesia or Taiwan, The Philippines or any Innova-segment.
If the tranny is right this MPV (sans quality issues) will be great product. Perhaps, a potent diesel outsourced from reliable source clearly an advantage. If BMW-Peugeot can have common engine, why not us minnow Proton?
Support Proton especially under Datuk Syed management.
A Livina driver.
[quote comment="213471"][quote comment="213467"]Please think twice before making your decision for the purchase because 1.6 for a MPV sounds disaster…. Even brand new CamPro 1.6 engine for normal sedan cars like wira and waja seems underpowered….. I would say go ahead if the engine offered is 2.0 and above but i dont think so it will 2.0 and above considering its damn low price tag !!![/quote]
since when wira gets campro cps? did u test drove waja cps?[/quote]
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ferrani xx..go n buy ferrarila..
For those who said the seats are PVC, be prepared to eat your words, or rather the leather seats. It is real leather, though not 100%, same as with most cars within the range. The leather supplier is PECCA leather, who also make the leather seats for local Mitsu Lancers.
and nobody said the lancer has real leather seats ! please la , u touch the seat u know already…actually most are leather and pvc mixed…unless u go for those german excutive cars , thn once u open the door , thats wer the REAL smell of leather is…
Is Kelisa LE and MyVI SE real leather? Anyone?
By the way, l can say Proton V6 leather is inferior than those found in Myvi/KelisaImago/Kelisa Limited Edition.
The latter can last longer than crack prone one in V6..
[quote comment="213691"]Kudos for Proton's team. Sub-RM80k is ok though RM69 for entry will be better if Proton looking for oversea markets i.e Indonesia or Taiwan, The Philippines or any Innova-segment.
If the tranny is right this MPV (sans quality issues) will be great product. Perhaps, a potent diesel outsourced from reliable source clearly an advantage. If BMW-Peugeot can have common engine, why not us minnow Proton?
Support Proton especially under Datuk Syed management.
A Livina driver.[/quote]
you know that RM7xK in Taiwan …you can buy a wish/madza5 2.0L with better spec and alot better equipment.
Just to say..its rich with features , nice design, sizeable MPV, family friendly..but then price is a little high. Shd priced well within RM70K, this will be best seller then.
My favourite midi MPV is still with Rondo then Livina. Avanza is the worst MPV of the lot..lucky Exora is a step ahead & a better car in paper.
Man Belon,
I bet ferrari xx cannot afford to buy a ferrari, just know how to talk. NATO permanent member…
I wonder why most Malaysian cannot be successful, when anybody make a little progress, they complain… no progress they also complain…
The best is i think those bashers should open their own factory so that they can produce cheaper parts for proton… let start with steel mill… then plastic parts…
I dare all bashers to jointly setup a company la…
Apa macam ader berani?
[quote comment="213724"]By the way, l can say Proton V6 leather is inferior than those found in Myvi/KelisaImago/Kelisa Limited Edition.
The latter can last longer than crack prone one in V6..[/quote]
all leather interior will crack if you dont maintain it, including the ones in bmw's. trust me.. i have lots of friends with cracked bmw leather seats..
where do you think proton gets their leather from? the same suppliers who supply leather to perodua… and also the local CKD cars in malaysia..
[quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
personally, i'll reserve judgement on the engine until i've driven it.. i'm no super terror F1 car guy who can judge the power and driveability of a car just by typing on my keyboard.
as for torsion beam suspension.. please lets not get started on how many cars costing more than RM80,000 that still use this setup today.
aiyaa.. manyak letih wo bace sumer komen2 ni..
ade yg membina; constructive, but yet, yg bashing around without point pun banyak..
anyway Long live auto industry! Esp here in our own local turf; Malaysia!
Kudos to Proton for leading the way!
[quote comment="213329"][quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
holy crap, where have u been since last year?? it's revealed that, it is torsion beam, n it is people mover, with loads to carry. remember, this is not sporty wagon, if u wants speed n handling, earn more n get urself a proper sports car. stop whining like most malaysian!
torsion beam will not change camber angle n any alignment when additional weight is on. torsion beam isnt old tech, if u wan2 talk about old tech, u shouldnt even use x86 processor like i7!
if it works, y change?! understand? when final product released only comment la smart boy.[/quote]
collect, really low tech engineering, torsion beam not old tech, but is cheap tech. correct Exora no sport car? but Exora position in Medium-sized MPV,
here, maybe Exora targeted Avanza,Livina, Jitra (only jitra use multilink)? sure Exora can capture market. but ..went your Export Exora, that is different think.. Exora facing medium class mpv like, Wish/madza 5/Rondo/Stream/etc…(2.0L) with not much different in pricing. but all them use multillik suspension, so their also a mpv why they also use multi-link ? their also not for sports what ??than their cost not much different with Exora
i just wanna to say, for medium class mpv, Exora should use Multi-link,, Multi-link nothing related to Sports drving or what (want sport handing double wishbone more better) , is just standard spec and market trend, Multi-link more comfortable, safety ,easy handing , maximum tyre grip on different road condition, balance driving. (depend your tuning) just like Persona tune for comfort. unlike the torsion beam, more unstable on normal corning (i means went road is not event, on condition bad), more bumpy went full load. i think you should know how feel torsion beam is.
i personal think actually just Proton engineer not enough skill to design multi-link loh.. event a digital aircond ..
[quote comment="213735"][quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
personally, i'll reserve judgement on the engine until i've driven it.. i'm no super terror F1 car guy who can judge the power and driveability of a car just by typing on my keyboard.
as for torsion beam suspension.. please lets not get started on how many cars costing more than RM80,000 that still use this setup today.[/quote]
very true in local market bcos of tax. but in oversea market is different story.
I like to follow whats has been revealed rather than assume.
Besides stated info, from the picture we can see that:
– 7 seats, height adjustable maybe only for driver. All leather/pvc for this version.
– Two front seats with semi-bucket design.
– New design 5 studded wheel
– Normal hydraulic steering rack system (unless it comes with electro-hydraulic)
– Retractable left hand armrest for driver
– Front disk rear drums setup
– Rear torsion beam
The rest… assumption.
The new quote system is very good, but some quotes are too long.
MPV must not underpowered, who wants to be a driver of an underpowered vehicle? You got balls to do that.
[quote comment="213600"]Heavy and underpowered huh??
Exora cps-1380kg, 125bhp, 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja cps-1269kg, 125bhp 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Persona iafm-1245kg, 110bhp, 140Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja CPS is havier than Persona and a little bit lighter than Exora, it's never feel underpowered… if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem…[/quote]
ting tong, that the point but mpv will carry 2 ppl more than sedan so less pickup + more oil consumption….
betulkan kalau salah
[quote comment="213738"][quote comment="213329"][quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
holy crap, where have u been since last year?? it's revealed that, it is torsion beam, n it is people mover, with loads to carry. remember, this is not sporty wagon, if u wants speed n handling, earn more n get urself a proper sports car. stop whining like most malaysian!
torsion beam will not change camber angle n any alignment when additional weight is on. torsion beam isnt old tech, if u wan2 talk about old tech, u shouldnt even use x86 processor like i7!
if it works, y change?! understand? when final product released only comment la smart boy.[/quote]
collect, really low tech engineering, torsion beam not old tech, but is cheap tech. correct Exora no sport car? but Exora position in Medium-sized MPV,
here, maybe Exora targeted Avanza,Livina, Jitra (only jitra use multilink)? sure Exora can capture market. but ..went your Export Exora, that is different think.. Exora facing medium class mpv like, Wish/madza 5/Rondo/Stream/etc…(2.0L) with not much different in pricing. but all them use multillik suspension, so their also a mpv why they also use multi-link ?
their also not for sports what ??than their cost not much different with Exora
i just wanna to say, for medium class mpv, Exora should use Multi-link,, Multi-link nothing related to Sports drving or what (want sport handing double wishbone more better) ,
is just standard spec and market trend, Multi-link more comfortable, safety ,easy handing , maximum tyre grip on different road condition, balance driving. (depend your tuning) just like Persona tune for comfort. unlike the torsion beam, more unstable on normal corning (i means went road is not event, on condition bad), more bumpy went full load. i think you should know how feel torsion beam is.
i personal think actually just Proton engineer not enough skill to design multi-link loh.. event a digital aircond ..[/quote]
other than low cost, it also has less intrusion into rear part of the cabin. which gives more storage room for cargo. even at different load, camber will still maintain, for good grip across the load range. all these, r advantage for a car like this. it can be comfort as well, n depends on how proton tune the absorber, it can manage the bumpy ride for better comfort(less boat like feel).
if proton dont hv enough skill for multi-link, i wouldnt think satria neo can be famous for it's handling without electronic assistant. i think u just wan2 say something just to show how smart u r, but u r kind of short sighted. rome isnt built in 1 day. if they wan2 go for other more advance tech with current economic of scale, u guys will complain about the price even more!
[quote comment="213738"][quote comment="213329"][quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
holy crap, where have u been since last year?? it's revealed that, it is torsion beam, n it is people mover, with loads to carry. remember, this is not sporty wagon, if u wants speed n handling, earn more n get urself a proper sports car. stop whining like most malaysian!
torsion beam will not change camber angle n any alignment when additional weight is on. torsion beam isnt old tech, if u wan2 talk about old tech, u shouldnt even use x86 processor like i7!
if it works, y change?! understand? when final product released only comment la smart boy.[/quote]
collect, really low tech engineering, torsion beam not old tech, but is cheap tech. correct Exora no sport car? but Exora position in Medium-sized MPV,
here, maybe Exora targeted Avanza,Livina, Jitra (only jitra use multilink)? sure Exora can capture market. but ..went your Export Exora, that is different think.. Exora facing medium class mpv like, Wish/madza 5/Rondo/Stream/etc…(2.0L) with not much different in pricing. but all them use multillik suspension, so their also a mpv why they also use multi-link ?
their also not for sports what ??than their cost not much different with Exora
i just wanna to say, for medium class mpv, Exora should use Multi-link,, Multi-link nothing related to Sports drving or what (want sport handing double wishbone more better) ,
is just standard spec and market trend, Multi-link more comfortable, safety ,easy handing , maximum tyre grip on different road condition, balance driving. (depend your tuning) just like Persona tune for comfort. unlike the torsion beam, more unstable on normal corning (i means went road is not event, on condition bad), more bumpy went full load. i think you should know how feel torsion beam is.
i personal think actually just Proton engineer not enough skill to design multi-link loh.. event a digital aircond ..[/quote]
torsion beam huh? so, agreed that Vios handling is poor? :D
It's not about Proton's engineers dont have enough skill to design multi-link suspension and digital aircond and why they using torsion beam and analog aircond? this all tech are cheap right? that already answering the question… because this tech are cheap and malaysian fellas just dont want to buy an expensive Proton's cars event hough it's have a good quality and high tech… they still assume that lousy tech and poor quality… lots of them is keen to-bashing-without-testing…
fastcx says,
"if proton dont hv enough skill for multi-link, i wouldnt think satria neo can be famous for it’s handling without electronic assistant."
Bro, I totally agree with you on this.
That's old school legendary Lotus tuning, baby!!
[quote comment="213404"]For your information, Nissan Grand Livina also using Torsion Beam but at least for Proton they are not giving you the el-cheapo "rear drum brakes"..
http://www.nissan.com.my/vehicles/GrandLivina/M_G…
hope you open your eye clearly
they are no rear disc brake on exora also …………
i dun think they can fight in a real open market, maybe take 1 % of customer from its rivals
[quote comment="213750"][quote comment="213600"]Heavy and underpowered huh??
Exora cps-1380kg, 125bhp, 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja cps-1269kg, 125bhp 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Persona iafm-1245kg, 110bhp, 140Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja CPS is havier than Persona and a little bit lighter than Exora, it's never feel underpowered… if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem…[/quote]
ting tong, that the point but mpv will carry 2 ppl more than sedan so less pickup + more oil consumption….
betulkan kalau salah[/quote]
ting tong… that why i said "properly gear ratio tweak can solve the problem".. so, extra 2 ppls will not be a problem…139Nm torque@3000rpm@90-92km/h (bukannya setiap tempat ko bawak laju ni. .. again for fuel consumption, all kind of MPV's was a fuel guzzler because gear ratio was different with sedan gear ratio, so dont compare it's with sedan fuel consumption … wanna less fuel consumption? drive below 80km/h since this is not a sport car….
ting tiong… betulkan kalau salah
[quote comment="213757"][quote comment="213738"][quote comment="213329"][quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
holy crap, where have u been since last year?? it's revealed that, it is torsion beam, n it is people mover, with loads to carry. remember, this is not sporty wagon, if u wants speed n handling, earn more n get urself a proper sports car. stop whining like most malaysian!
torsion beam will not change camber angle n any alignment when additional weight is on. torsion beam isnt old tech, if u wan2 talk about old tech, u shouldnt even use x86 processor like i7!
if it works, y change?! understand? when final product released only comment la smart boy.[/quote]
collect, really low tech engineering, torsion beam not old tech, but is cheap tech. correct Exora no sport car? but Exora position in Medium-sized MPV,
here, maybe Exora targeted Avanza,Livina, Jitra (only jitra use multilink)? sure Exora can capture market. but ..went your Export Exora, that is different think.. Exora facing medium class mpv like, Wish/madza 5/Rondo/Stream/etc…(2.0L) with not much different in pricing. but all them use multillik suspension, so their also a mpv why they also use multi-link ?
their also not for sports what ??than their cost not much different with Exora
i just wanna to say, for medium class mpv, Exora should use Multi-link,, Multi-link nothing related to Sports drving or what (want sport handing double wishbone more better) ,
is just standard spec and market trend, Multi-link more comfortable, safety ,easy handing , maximum tyre grip on different road condition, balance driving. (depend your tuning) just like Persona tune for comfort. unlike the torsion beam, more unstable on normal corning (i means went road is not event, on condition bad), more bumpy went full load. i think you should know how feel torsion beam is.
i personal think actually just Proton engineer not enough skill to design multi-link loh.. event a digital aircond ..[/quote]
torsion beam huh? so, agreed that Vios handling is poor? :D
It's not about Proton's engineers dont have enough skill to design multi-link suspension and digital aircond and why they using torsion beam and analog aircond? this all tech are cheap right? that already answering the question… because this tech are cheap and malaysian fellas just dont want to buy an expensive Proton's cars event hough it's have a good quality and high tech… they still assume that lousy tech and poor quality… lots of them is keen to-bashing-without-testing…[/quote]
correction:-
because this tech are cheap and malaysian fellas just dont want to buy Proton's cars at a high price event hough it's have a good quality and high tech…
[quote comment="213758"]fastcx says,
"if proton dont hv enough skill for multi-link, i wouldnt think satria neo can be famous for it’s handling without electronic assistant."
Bro, I totally agree with you on this.
That's old school legendary Lotus tuning, baby!![/quote]
neo have lotus to tune it
but this car ?? did any report shows lotus is tuning for it ??
and proton multilink is very huge compare to all its rival , a mpv needs a compact multilink which proton need to design them self , but they do not do that
not too bad if torsion beam, look carefully, rear wheel has been camber for some amount of angle for handling purpose, car like savvy and this mpv did.
of course suspension dynamic independant multilink batter, but this preset camber for torsion beam is somehow ok,
but there is compromise between handling and comfort which is well balanced interm of spring rate and stiffness, look at which model, which catagory their purpose bias towards,
proton saga has a different handling character compared to satria neo, its setting to fit the purpose, issue like space saving and so on.
or waja and g2 are comfort and it handles,
its design to fit the purpose
[quote comment="213765"][quote comment="213758"]fastcx says,
"if proton dont hv enough skill for multi-link, i wouldnt think satria neo can be famous for it’s handling without electronic assistant."
Bro, I totally agree with you on this.
That's old school legendary Lotus tuning, baby!![/quote]
neo have lotus to tune it
but this car ?? did any report shows lotus is tuning for it ??
and proton multilink is very huge compare to all its rival , a mpv needs a compact multilink which proton need to design them self , but they do not do that[/quote]
like ppl above pointed out, cost. lotus is under proton now, n those words like handling tuned by lotus r actually proton's engineers who studied how chassis n suspension tuning is done from lotus. i can see that the badge works, at least u buys the "tuned by lotus" badge
[quote comment="213771"][quote comment="213765"][quote comment="213758"]fastcx says,
"if proton dont hv enough skill for multi-link, i wouldnt think satria neo can be famous for it’s handling without electronic assistant."
Bro, I totally agree with you on this.
That's old school legendary Lotus tuning, baby!![/quote]
neo have lotus to tune it
but this car ?? did any report shows lotus is tuning for it ??
and proton multilink is very huge compare to all its rival , a mpv needs a compact multilink which proton need to design them self , but they do not do that[/quote]
like ppl above pointed out, cost. lotus is under proton now, n those words like handling tuned by lotus r actually proton's engineers who studied how chassis n suspension tuning is done from lotus. i can see that the badge works, at least u buys the "tuned by lotus" badge[/quote]
somehow , this is just same as ppl buying an toyota which they just buy the badge not the car
tune by lotus or not, its already in proton's gene, ride n handling will be suitable for the targeted purpose. remember, ride n handling isnt just about suspension setup, chassis plays a huge part in it as well. how rigid it is n how it twist will affect effectiveness of suspension. neo's suspension parts arent much better than gen2's or waja's, but bcz of the better body shell, n different alignment for camber, caster, n some other minor things make it better than the rest even tho material used r the same.
[quote comment="213776"][quote comment="213771"][quote comment="213765"][quote comment="213758"]fastcx says,
"if proton dont hv enough skill for multi-link, i wouldnt think satria neo can be famous for it’s handling without electronic assistant."
Bro, I totally agree with you on this.
That's old school legendary Lotus tuning, baby!![/quote]
neo have lotus to tune it
but this car ?? did any report shows lotus is tuning for it ??
and proton multilink is very huge compare to all its rival , a mpv needs a compact multilink which proton need to design them self , but they do not do that[/quote]
like ppl above pointed out, cost. lotus is under proton now, n those words like handling tuned by lotus r actually proton's engineers who studied how chassis n suspension tuning is done from lotus. i can see that the badge works, at least u buys the "tuned by lotus" badge[/quote]
somehow , this is just same as ppl buying an toyota which they just buy the badge not the car[/quote]
haha finally something u said i can agree on :)
when mahathir bought lotus, lots of malaysian cnt see his reason, his a far sighted person. he wouldnt do it if it wont give advantages in future, u can see from projects he started. either benefited certain race or not, his plans wont realise in just few years.
buying lotus isnt a bad thing, proton is nothing without it, when u think proton, 1st thing come up in ur mind is ride n handling. but for korean cars? able to find a defining feature about them after all these years that is standing out from the crowd in the same segment?
[quote comment="213777"]tune by lotus or not, its already in proton's gene, ride n handling will be suitable for the targeted purpose. remember, ride n handling isnt just about suspension setup, chassis plays a huge part in it as well. how rigid it is n how it twist will affect effectiveness of suspension. neo's suspension parts arent much better than gen2's or waja's, but bcz of the better body shell, n different alignment for camber, caster, n some other minor things make it better than the rest even tho material used r the same.[/quote]
if the ride and handling is ok , proton should concentrate on new engine , 1.6 cps isn't right for the jod , if they change the final gear ratio , it will same like the avanza which need 4k rpm to make it run 110km/h which is lousy .
a cvt is prefer for this kind of vehicle were you can get the best from both world . on cvt the lowest ratio can be 0.4 as opposed to current 4 speed auto which is around 0.8 .
[quote comment="213734"][quote comment="213724"]By the way, l can say Proton V6 leather is inferior than those found in Myvi/KelisaImago/Kelisa Limited Edition.
The latter can last longer than crack prone one in V6..[/quote]
all leather interior will crack if you dont maintain it, including the ones in bmw's. trust me.. i have lots of friends with cracked bmw leather seats..
where do you think proton gets their leather from? the same suppliers who supply leather to perodua… and also the local CKD cars in malaysia..[/quote]
so ???
same company cannot supplies different quality ??
on toyota , you can get a great camry or you can get a avanza , they come from same company ,can you said their quality is same ?????
[quote comment="213751"][quote comment="213738"][quote comment="213329"][quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
holy crap, where have u been since last year?? it's revealed that, it is torsion beam, n it is people mover, with loads to carry. remember, this is not sporty wagon, if u wants speed n handling, earn more n get urself a proper sports car. stop whining like most malaysian!
torsion beam will not change camber angle n any alignment when additional weight is on. torsion beam isnt old tech, if u wan2 talk about old tech, u shouldnt even use x86 processor like i7!
if it works, y change?! understand? when final product released only comment la smart boy.[/quote]
collect, really low tech engineering, torsion beam not old tech, but is cheap tech. correct Exora no sport car? but Exora position in Medium-sized MPV,
here, maybe Exora targeted Avanza,Livina, Jitra (only jitra use multilink)? sure Exora can capture market. but ..went your Export Exora, that is different think.. Exora facing medium class mpv like, Wish/madza 5/Rondo/Stream/etc…(2.0L) with not much different in pricing. but all them use multillik suspension, so their also a mpv why they also use multi-link ?
their also not for sports what ??than their cost not much different with Exora
i just wanna to say, for medium class mpv, Exora should use Multi-link,, Multi-link nothing related to Sports drving or what (want sport handing double wishbone more better) ,
is just standard spec and market trend, Multi-link more comfortable, safety ,easy handing , maximum tyre grip on different road condition, balance driving. (depend your tuning) just like Persona tune for comfort. unlike the torsion beam, more unstable on normal corning (i means went road is not event, on condition bad), more bumpy went full load. i think you should know how feel torsion beam is.
i personal think actually just Proton engineer not enough skill to design multi-link loh.. event a digital aircond ..[/quote]
other than low cost, it also has less intrusion into rear part of the cabin. which gives more storage room for cargo. even at different load, camber will still maintain, for good grip across the load range. all these, r advantage for a car like this. it can be comfort as well, n depends on how proton tune the absorber, it can manage the bumpy ride for better comfort(less boat like feel).
if proton dont hv enough skill for multi-link, i wouldnt think satria neo can be famous for it's handling without electronic assistant. i think u just wan2 say something just to show how smart u r, but u r kind of short sighted. rome isnt built in 1 day. if they wan2 go for other more advance tech with current economic of scale, u guys will complain about the price even more![/quote]
at the first place, who design the Neo suspension ? lotus or proton? you think in 2001 Proton engineer on that time able to design neo suspension ?
[quote comment="213741"][quote comment="213735"][quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
personally, i'll reserve judgement on the engine until i've driven it.. i'm no super terror F1 car guy who can judge the power and driveability of a car just by typing on my keyboard.
as for torsion beam suspension.. please lets not get started on how many cars costing more than RM80,000 that still use this setup today.[/quote]
very true in local market bcos of tax. but in oversea market is different story.[/quote]
As usual, they will set a better spec for oversea market at a subsidise price.
[quote comment="213787"][quote comment="213777"]tune by lotus or not, its already in proton's gene, ride n handling will be suitable for the targeted purpose. remember, ride n handling isnt just about suspension setup, chassis plays a huge part in it as well. how rigid it is n how it twist will affect effectiveness of suspension. neo's suspension parts arent much better than gen2's or waja's, but bcz of the better body shell, n different alignment for camber, caster, n some other minor things make it better than the rest even tho material used r the same.[/quote]
if the ride and handling is ok , proton should concentrate on new engine , 1.6 cps isn't right for the jod , if they change the final gear ratio , it will same like the avanza which need 4k rpm to make it run 110km/h which is lousy .
a cvt is prefer for this kind of vehicle were you can get the best from both world . on cvt the lowest ratio can be 0.4 as opposed to current 4 speed auto which is around 0.8 .[/quote]
Agree. They should have employ CVT from Jatco which has been proven in real world application world wide.
[quote comment="213792"]
at the first place, who design the Neo suspension ? lotus or proton? you think in 2001 Proton engineer on that time able to design neo suspension ?[/quote]
I don't think they can do it in 2001. Even Waja platform according to some rumours is not really developed by Proton as claimed and Proton never been able to explain this convincingly.
Anyway, I praise proton initiative to introduce New Saga and Persona at a reasonable price. They still need to improve their vendors though.
[quote comment="213787"][quote comment="213777"]tune by lotus or not, its already in proton's gene, ride n handling will be suitable for the targeted purpose. remember, ride n handling isnt just about suspension setup, chassis plays a huge part in it as well. how rigid it is n how it twist will affect effectiveness of suspension. neo's suspension parts arent much better than gen2's or waja's, but bcz of the better body shell, n different alignment for camber, caster, n some other minor things make it better than the rest even tho material used r the same.[/quote]
if the ride and handling is ok , proton should concentrate on new engine , 1.6 cps isn't right for the jod , if they change the final gear ratio , it will same like the avanza which need 4k rpm to make it run 110km/h which is lousy .
a cvt is prefer for this kind of vehicle were you can get the best from both world . on cvt the lowest ratio can be 0.4 as opposed to current 4 speed auto which is around 0.8 .[/quote]
when u r good at something, u wont stop improving it, nothing will be adequate in engineering term. if u actually went to proton's tech day, u wouldnt said "if the ride and handling is ok , proton should concentrate on new engine" would u? when company doing something, do they hv to show everything? so that competitors know how to tackle it n copy+patent it even tho it's proton? n changing gear ratio isnt all about final gear ratio.
[quote comment="213792"][quote comment="213751"][quote comment="213738"][quote comment="213329"][quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
holy crap, where have u been since last year?? it's revealed that, it is torsion beam, n it is people mover, with loads to carry. remember, this is not sporty wagon, if u wants speed n handling, earn more n get urself a proper sports car. stop whining like most malaysian!
torsion beam will not change camber angle n any alignment when additional weight is on. torsion beam isnt old tech, if u wan2 talk about old tech, u shouldnt even use x86 processor like i7!
if it works, y change?! understand? when final product released only comment la smart boy.[/quote]
collect, really low tech engineering, torsion beam not old tech, but is cheap tech. correct Exora no sport car? but Exora position in Medium-sized MPV,
here, maybe Exora targeted Avanza,Livina, Jitra (only jitra use multilink)? sure Exora can capture market. but ..went your Export Exora, that is different think.. Exora facing medium class mpv like, Wish/madza 5/Rondo/Stream/etc…(2.0L) with not much different in pricing. but all them use multillik suspension, so their also a mpv why they also use multi-link ?
their also not for sports what ??than their cost not much different with Exora
i just wanna to say, for medium class mpv, Exora should use Multi-link,, Multi-link nothing related to Sports drving or what (want sport handing double wishbone more better) ,
is just standard spec and market trend, Multi-link more comfortable, safety ,easy handing , maximum tyre grip on different road condition, balance driving. (depend your tuning) just like Persona tune for comfort. unlike the torsion beam, more unstable on normal corning (i means went road is not event, on condition bad), more bumpy went full load. i think you should know how feel torsion beam is.
i personal think actually just Proton engineer not enough skill to design multi-link loh.. event a digital aircond ..[/quote]
other than low cost, it also has less intrusion into rear part of the cabin. which gives more storage room for cargo. even at different load, camber will still maintain, for good grip across the load range. all these, r advantage for a car like this. it can be comfort as well, n depends on how proton tune the absorber, it can manage the bumpy ride for better comfort(less boat like feel).
if proton dont hv enough skill for multi-link, i wouldnt think satria neo can be famous for it's handling without electronic assistant. i think u just wan2 say something just to show how smart u r, but u r kind of short sighted. rome isnt built in 1 day. if they wan2 go for other more advance tech with current economic of scale, u guys will complain about the price even more![/quote]
at the first place, who design the Neo suspension ? lotus or proton? you think in 2001 Proton engineer on that time able to design neo suspension ?[/quote]
adjustment can be made b4 final release, the suspension set in neo is the same as waja's. just the rear multilink had some mod. others r mostly bcz of the chasis.
kenapa la banyak sangat minda negatif org malaysia ni. susah sangat ke nak bagi kritikan membina… asyik asyik nak kutuk. bosan ahhh. nak compare ngan keter yang dah senior dalam market… nak pakai yang sedap sedap… nak sedapkan bontot sendiri.. dangkal betulla. pekata tunggu dulu pelancarannnya nanti. tak suka, tak yahla nak beli.. yang suka, belila… yang nak sedap sedap tu, gikla showroom yang rege regenya lebih tinggi. bising sana, bising sini, hmmm… nak kritik boleh beb, tapi bagikla yang konstruktif. so leh la org yang baca pun boleh menilai secara ilmiah. then cadangkan apa yang patut dengan harga mampu milik. ape ape pun,meh tunggu sama sama kemunculan exora……
real rubbish and over marketing
[quote comment="213784"]adjustment can be made b4 final release, the suspension set in neo is the same as waja’s. just the rear multilink had some mod. others r mostly bcz of the chasis.[/quote]
ha? means Waja/G2/neo/Persona multilink suspension still design by Mitsubishi loh, Proton just follow 97 lancer chassis with some improvement on material and some mod on neo suspention component …
[quote comment="213329"][quote comment="213234"]rear suspension does not seemed to be totally independent..kinda old tech stuff plus a revvy 1.6 selling at 70k..its too cheaply engineered, i'll go for a Rondo for sure..[/quote]
holy crap, where have u been since last year?? it's revealed that, it is torsion beam, n it is people mover, with loads to carry. remember, this is not sporty wagon, if u wants speed n handling, earn more n get urself a proper sports car. stop whining like most malaysian!
torsion beam will not change camber angle n any alignment when additional weight is on. torsion beam isnt old tech, if u wan2 talk about old tech, u shouldnt even use x86 processor like i7!
if it works, y change?! understand? when final product released only comment la smart boy.[/quote]
well, i already have a sportscar, anyways..most newer generation MPV nowadays are independent setup which are known to provide better ride and handling and doesn't seem to be affected by reasonable loads..considering that the used a wish as a mule i was expecting it to be at least acceptable..if priced around 50k than maybe..ya if it works y change…haha u must still be driving a saga..u talk too much crap..wise guy
regards to 'minda malaysian' actually its simple..when people are taking 7-9 yr loans to buy cars at three times the actual price..you expect them to complain, most blame Proton for this and expect them to quickly get their act together so we can get rid of these taxes and AP's ASAP. Its not about making more money,its about the feeling of getting 'screwed'..try to impose similar tax structure in other countries and you will get a riot..Malaysian's are a very patient lot i think.
[quote comment=”213465″][quote comment=”213463″]tayar kitar semula said,
February 22, 2009 @ 10:21 am · Reply with quote
aku rasa tempat duduk kulit tu sama kualiti macam model proton yang lain… yang aku risau… ada salesman proton yang kata M-Line 1.6 H-Line pulak 1.8… delay ke April sebab ada masalah transmisi…
Harap pihak Proton ajar betul betul salesman nih…. jangan harapkan salesman jual kereta… tapi punahkan proton!!
p/s: Bukan salesman proton edar…
_____________________________
agreed with kitar semula, one week before NEO CPS launch, i went to proton showroom, n ask abt the NEO CPS, but the salesman dont hv any idea abt that NEO, so i supposed proton should keep the salesman up to date with new info, and one more thing, i also ask abt what is CPS (jz wanna test the salesman knowledge), the answer was very disappointing, the salesman dont hv freking idea what is CPS.. shame, really shame[/quote]
actually proton did their job, few weeks b4 new model launch, they will send info to their dealer to educate salesman. it’s just the salesman’s issue not to be initiative n study! some even with info at hand they dnt wan2 read or try to understand! most of these salesman wnt be around few months later. im really curios on how these dealers get their cheapo money minded sales executives[/quote]
Well… Proton should make a MANDATORY for it salesperson to read paultan.org regularly.. to update their know-how at least.. hehehe :)
At least the interior is not beige in colour.
Well here we go with the trickle of details and another teaser campaign…wonder if cloth seats will be available at all as there's plenty who may prefer it for various reasons. I imagine they will be since we all know "teaser" features usually wind up only on the H-Line.
As a side note:
My god, could some of you please learn to use the quote function responsibly? Edit it down the relevant text or it just clutters up the thread and wastes everyone's bandwidth…Half the thread is huge complete-post quotes..sometimes followed by 1 or 2 line responses.
Dumbo award goes to the guy who first quoted like three other peoples complete posts in his own. Then one minute later he posts a 2-line "correction". and of course he quoted his entire previous post and the whole bloody mess all over again…
[quote comment="213760"][quote comment="213750"][quote comment="213600"]Heavy and underpowered huh??
Exora cps-1380kg, 125bhp, 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja cps-1269kg, 125bhp 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Persona iafm-1245kg, 110bhp, 140Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja CPS is havier than Persona and a little bit lighter than Exora, it's never feel underpowered… if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem…[/quote]
ting tong, that the point but mpv will carry 2 ppl more than sedan so less pickup + more oil consumption….
betulkan kalau salah[/quote]
ting tong… that why i said "properly gear ratio tweak can solve the problem".. so, extra 2 ppls will not be a problem…139Nm torque@3000rpm@90-92km/h (bukannya setiap tempat ko bawak laju ni. .. again for fuel consumption, all kind of MPV's was a fuel guzzler because gear ratio was different with sedan gear ratio, so dont compare it's with sedan fuel consumption … wanna less fuel consumption? drive below 80km/h since this is not a sport car….
ting tiong… betulkan kalau salah[/quote]
cam marah jer, rileks dulu
ting tong, that the point but mpv will carry 2 ppl more than sedan so less pickup + more oil consumption….aku nak compare dengan mpv more cc bkn sedan … nanti x competitive bila nak lawan ngan p2 mpv tang topic penjimatan minyak …rpm tinggi dan enjin banyak gegar …comfort hilang(bkn mau laju cuma bagi bawa sedap ngan tak makan minyak …walaupun dah otter g/box….. harap2 NVH bagi elok
3000rpm@90-92km/h kalau 110km/h macam mana ? tu pun ada orang nak tinggikan lg had laju tu…
ps: kalo mpv ni pakai enjin 1.8@2.0 pun dah cukup berbaloi dah…kasi kurang acc. ngan pkai kusyen biasa … sediakan barang murah untuk orang yang bajet …spec yang lagi rendah.. x rugi sangat kalau nak modi
…harap-2 p1 kasi tweak gearbox elok2 ngan modal 7** juta tu … rasa macam tak cukup jer …ekonomikal sangat
impression yang nampak dekat p1
untuk alternatif rakyat…barang murah& harga pun murah
nak dekat semua modelnya jimat minyak..
stail dah ada
jgn ubah benda tu cuma tingkatkan kualiti bukan aksessori
jgn salah faham . baca slow2. nin bukan bashing
[quote comment="213878"][quote comment="213784"]adjustment can be made b4 final release, the suspension set in neo is the same as waja’s. just the rear multilink had some mod. others r mostly bcz of the chasis.[/quote]
ha? means Waja/G2/neo/Persona multilink suspension still design by Mitsubishi loh, Proton just follow 97 lancer chassis with some improvement on material and some mod on neo suspention component …[/quote]
dude, u just wan2 argue dont u? suspension set, the strut, spring, mounting. i din said suspension setup, its different. the whole setup(including geometry) is different from waja. but the strut n spring the same thing, just different spring rate. most of all, improvement on chassis.
in waja, it's already different from tat period's lancer n volvo s40. g2 changed the rear multilink arm a bit, which changed how the arm travels a bit.
no matter how proton improve n excel, u just wan2 mock anything, to make urself feel good isnt it? do u think those improvement dont cost a thing in rnd? from cad to real prototype takes time n money
[quote comment="213904"]
well, i already have a sportscar, anyways..most newer generation MPV nowadays are independent setup which are known to provide better ride and handling and doesn't seem to be affected by reasonable loads..considering that the used a wish as a mule i was expecting it to be at least acceptable..if priced around 50k than maybe..ya if it works y change…haha u must still be driving a saga..u talk too much crap..wise guy[/quote]
i think its pretty clear that a rear torsion beam setup is not an "outdated" setup, do you even know how many cars out there still use this setup costing more than this mpv?.
and for an mpv larger than a livina you expect it to be sold at myvi price? and you accuse others of talking crap?
and btw, sportscar ownership doesnt make a person able to judge ride and handling just by looking at pictures on a screen, and typing on a keyboard.
[quote comment="213904"]
well, i already have a sportscar, anyways..most newer generation MPV nowadays are independent setup which are known to provide better ride and handling and doesn't seem to be affected by reasonable loads..considering that the used a wish as a mule i was expecting it to be at least acceptable..if priced around 50k than maybe..ya if it works y change…haha u must still be driving a saga..u talk too much crap..wise guy[/quote]
nah, i dont own saga, just a neo n a 125cc kart. u said most newer generation mpv r independent setup, r u hallucinating? it's not most. but i can say, most of toyota high end mpv use torsion beam, for more cabin space, compares to any honda's mpv. n knowing malaysian will do all their best to stuff anything they have into a car, bottoming their car during outing is possible. multilink's geometry will change. especially it only has single point for both spring n suspension. for torsion, spring n absorber can be place at different angle to achieve better comfort n load handling. like many has mentioned, this mpv isnt for sport. if u want something sporty, then ur not the target market.
this, is after all, a small mpv for family tat cant affort higher priced car, yet they want something similar in feeling. after the launch, just go n take a look. but i guess bashers will always be bashers.
whooaaa,
Everytime paultan posted proton related news, comments flying with all sorts of negative and positive feedback. Nevertheless, I was one the lucky few who shake hand with Dato' Syed Zainal last Saturday for booking Exora. Proton promised a test drive next wednesday (25/2) for us and I can't wait to be honest.
kazmie
i think it is fine to have -ve and +ve comments.. it helps proton grow (i hope). if so many +ve comments, im afraid that proton will sit comfort and doing nothing, and for the critics, hope its not jz a blind -ve comments, give a suggestion or ways to make our car company info or maybe some "teguran". So it helps proton to survive in the real world out there.. ok guys, keep commenting, and make our world peace.. happy motoring
Tgk dulu lah, belum apa2 dah kutuk. Lepas keluar lu kutuk la, sampai mati nak kutuk pon ok. Avanza 1.3 rwd korang puji melangit, ini belum keluar korang dah maki. Tgk dulu, keluar kalau betul terus sgt maki la. Anyway the MOU dgm MMC tuh 1.8 pakai 4B10 + INVECS III ke? mcm menarik…
[quote comment="214006"][quote comment="213760"][quote comment="213750"][quote comment="213600"]Heavy and underpowered huh??
Exora cps-1380kg, 125bhp, 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja cps-1269kg, 125bhp 150Nm max torque@4500rpm
Persona iafm-1245kg, 110bhp, 140Nm max torque@4500rpm
Waja CPS is havier than Persona and a little bit lighter than Exora, it's never feel underpowered… if proton tweak Exora gear ratio properly then, it will be no problem…[/quote]
ting tong, that the point but mpv will carry 2 ppl more than sedan so less pickup + more oil consumption….
betulkan kalau salah[/quote]
ting tong… that why i said "properly gear ratio tweak can solve the problem".. so, extra 2 ppls will not be a problem…139Nm torque@3000rpm@90-92km/h (bukannya setiap tempat ko bawak laju ni). .. again for fuel consumption, all kind of MPV's was a fuel guzzler because gear ratio was different with sedan gear ratio, so dont compare it's with sedan fuel consumption … wanna less fuel consumption? drive below 80km/h since this is not a sport car….
ting tiong… betulkan kalau salah[/quote]
cam marah jer, rileks dulu
ting tong, that the point but mpv will carry 2 ppl more than sedan so less pickup + more oil consumption….aku nak compare dengan mpv more cc bkn sedan … nanti x competitive bila nak lawan ngan p2 mpv tang topic penjimatan minyak …rpm tinggi dan enjin banyak gegar …comfort hilang(bkn mau laju cuma bagi bawa sedap ngan tak makan minyak …walaupun dah otter g/box….. harap2 NVH bagi elok
3000rpm@90-92km/h kalau 110km/h macam mana ? tu pun ada orang nak tinggikan lg had laju tu…
ps: kalo mpv ni pakai enjin 1.8@2.0 pun dah cukup berbaloi dah…kasi kurang acc. ngan pkai kusyen biasa … sediakan barang murah untuk orang yang bajet …spec yang lagi rendah.. x rugi sangat kalau nak modi
…harap-2 p1 kasi tweak gearbox elok2 ngan modal 7** juta tu … rasa macam tak cukup jer …ekonomikal sangat
impression yang nampak dekat p1
untuk alternatif rakyat…barang murah& harga pun murah
nak dekat semua modelnya jimat minyak..
stail dah ada
jgn ubah benda tu cuma tingkatkan kualiti bukan aksessori
jgn salah faham . baca slow2. nin bukan bashing[/quote]
huh? mana ada aku marah bro.. ilex le…
sebab tu 139Nm torque@3000rpm dah cukup kuat utk pickup dia… waja cps torque@3000rpm berbeza dgn Exora sebab ia sedan kan?… kalo pickup cukup kuat dibawah 3000rpm, so fuel consumption pun x menjadi masalah bro, sebab x perlu tekan minyak kuat2 walaupun dah tambah 2 org bebanan.. MPV 2.0cc keatas, org kata enjin cukup kuat utk menarik bebanan supaya dpt menjimatkan minyak.. tapi tidak semestinya betul.. penggunaan minyak enjin 2.0cc tetap 2.0cc.. yg berbeza adalah hp/ps dan torque, mmg keta x rasa underpower, tapi fuel consumption kena sendiri mau tahu la, lebih jimat dari 1.6 x mungkin….
(cuma utk contoh ye)–> hatta letak enjin 1.8 sekalipun, kalo torque enjin 1.6 hampir menyamai dgn torque enjin 1.8 pun x guna jugak, sebab minyak 1.8 sudah semestinya lebih kuat, tweak gear ratio 3000rpm@110km/h pun x guna sebab ia akan underpowered… kalo ada org nak bawak 110km/h mmglah penggunaan minyak dah x efisyen lagi… keta sedan pun kalo bawak 110km/h pun fuel consumtion ia tinggi… semua kenderaan kalo dah melepasi tahap "comfort level zone" 50-80km/h keatas.. mmg minyak dah x efisyen lagi…
kalo Proton ada keluarkan model "LITE" bawah RM70k dan kurangkan sesetengah aksesori boleh dikatakan cadangan yg baik… seat fabric, rim besi, cd player je, xyah ada control kat steering pun ok gak… :)
Look good for the first impression. by the way, the rim is not new design, it is taken isea from 2000 stream. Check it out there.
haiya, some people comment on the suspension setup. FOR THOSE WHO ADMIRE JAPANESE CAR, PLEASE TAKE NOTE TOYOTA WISH USE TORSION BEAM AXLE, NOT JUST THAT, TOYOTA VIOS AND ALTIS USE THE SAME SETUP. EVEN HONDA CIVIC TYPE R EUROPE VERSION(THE LATEST ONE), BUT NOBODY SAID ANYTHING………..IF U SAID PROTON ENGINEERS ARE STUPID,SO DO THE JAPANESE ENGINEERS LOL……and for the singaporean that said he drive his uncle waja campro cps, i reckond it is not WAJA CPS BUT WAJA CAMPRO. FYI PROTON HAVE 3 ENGINES EMBENDED WITH THE NAME CAMPRO, FIRST IS CAMPRO, SECOND CAMPRO IAFM AND THIRD IS CAMPRO CPS. THERE ARE NOT MUCH DIFFERENT BETWEEN WAJA CAMPRO AND WAJA CPS EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR WISE, SO U MUST BE MISTAKEN IDENTIFY UR UNCLE CAR AS WAJA CAMPRO CPS BUT IT IS ACTUALLY WAJA CAMPRO WITHOUT CPS+VIM SYSTEM. IF U READ TOP GEAR, AUTOCAR AND ASIAN AUTO, THEY ALL PRAISE CPS ENGINE COMPARE TO SPECTRA 5 AND HONDA CITY VTEC ENGINE. PLEASE NOT SPECTRA 5 USE THE SAME ENGINE AS KIA CEED, HYUNDAI ACCENT. somebody said the proton cars are tuned by proton engineers only and use lotus name as gimmick. FOR UR HALF MINDED INFO, YES,PROTON ENGINEERS TUNED THE CAR AND ALSO LOTUS ENGINEER. MAYBE U NEVER SEE PHOTOS(SPYSHOTS) THAT PROTON CARS TESTED IN UK, AUSTALIAN DESSERT AND ALSO IN SNOWING SITUTION. DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS SNOW IN MALAYSIA?????????????
based on my test drive, the cps engine is better than the new 120ps@118hp 1.5 ivtec engine in new honda city. the only make the city better is only because its gearbox has 2 overdrive gear, repeat 2 OVERDRIVE GEARS. MEANING THAT THERE ARE ONLY 3 GEARS AND 2 OVERDRIVES. OVERDRIVES ONLY REDUCE THE ENGINE RPM BUT DO NOT PROVEIDE PICKUP,THATS WHY NEW CITY GEARSTICK HAS ONLY D,3,2,1…..NO ONE EVERWONDER WHY THERE ARE NO 4TH GEAR IN THE GEARSTICK?????????BECAUSE THERE ARE NO FORTH GEAR,THERE ARE ONLY OVERDRIVE…IT SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE AS 4 SPEEDER GEARBOX, THATS WHY SOME MANUFACTURER STILL USING 4 SPEED AUTOMATIC.
all proton cars start from waja, all been tuned in LOTUS LAB…FOR UR INFO ALSO, NOT ONLY PROTON CARS, BUT ALSO UPCOMING KIA SOUL. NOT MENTIONING TOYOTAS AND HONDAS. THEY ALL USE LOTUS ENGENERING TECHNOLOGY. YES, HONDA STREAM USE INDEPENDANT SETUP AND IT WHEELBASE IS LONGER THAN TOYOTA WISH, BUT TOYOTA WISH THAT USE TORSION BEAM OFFERS MORE SPACE THAN HONDA STREAM ESPECIALLY FOR THE THIRD ROW,AND IT OFFERS MORE COMFORT THAT STREAM. BUT THE STREAM HANDLES A LITTLE WELL COMPARE TO WISH. THATS WHY PROTON USE TORSION BEAM, TO SAVE SPACE AND COST BUT DONT WORRY, EVENTHOUGH PROTON MPV USE TORSION BEAM, IT HANDLES VERY WELL,COMPARABLE WITH STREAM, IF NOT BETTER, IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF LOTUS. PLEASE TEST DRIVE PROTON SAVVY AND THE NEW SAGA BLM, THEN U KNOW HOW GOOD IS LOTUS, THEY CAN TUNE TORSION BEAM ACTS NEARLY THE SAME AS INDEPENDANT SETUP. BESIDES THAT, TORSION BEAM ALSO REDUCE SOME WEIGHT,THATS WHY CIVIC TYPE R (UK SPEC) USE IT AND THAT IS ALSO THE REASON WHY PROTON EXORA USE THE SAME SETUP.
oh ya,… Proton's cars with CamPro CPS is not available in SG… read review on this website….
http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_reviews…
FOR THE SINGAPOREAN, PLEASE COME TO PROTON SHOWROOM IN MALAYSIA, ASK TO TEST DRIVE GEN2 CPS AND SATRIA NEO CPS, U WILL KNOW THE POWER OF CPS ENGINE. AND ONE MORE THING, BETWEEN 85%-95% OF TORQUE OF CPS ENGINE ACHIEVE BETWEEN 2000RPM-3500 RPM, IT IS COMPARABLE WITH TOYOTA WISH 1.8VVTI AND HONDA STREAM 1.8IVTEC DURING THAT REGION. THATS WHY SI-FU SAY THAT 1.6 CPS IS NOT UNDERPOWER. U CAN ACHIEVE 0-140KMH EASILY WITH THE NEW PROTON EXORA ONLY THAT ABOVE 140KMH, THE METER CLIMB SLOWLY, BUT WHAT THE HECK, IT IS AN MPV.A EVEN WITH FULL LOAD, U DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM TO ACHIEVE 140KMH. TRUST ME. WHEN THE CAR LAUNCH, TEST DRIVE ONE
Erm.. Without Capital letters please. It looks rude. TQ
460,
dude..take it easy man…no need to caps lock..all of us can read ur comment..n i know ure really good n knowledgable…
btw..nice feedback frm u..cheers
[quote comment="214099"]
Well… Proton should make a MANDATORY for it salesperson to read paultan.org regularly.. to update their know-how at least.. hehehe :)[/quote]
ask si-fu to inform proton management ;)
wat engine can i put in?? any turbo engine for proton mpv??
For the bash-the-basher, I think we only want a close-to-fair world for consumer. I am not anti-national product, but I am an anti-fair-competition consumer policies. Instead of pumping up the tax of import car to make it expensive, G should come out something like rebate for Proton buyers to make it cheaper, i would probably buy Proton then. If Proton claims to be so good as some said, wait till it success in the open market since figure don't lies. Proton has potential, but those running it probably makes people wondering.
pardon me but is this so called 'si-fu' so great? who's this guy anyway? called himself si-fu…..
Sory 4 the cpital letters. Cheers
hello,
Since some people are asking for this and that in the upcoming MPV, I would also like Proton to put in 60kw KERS and slick tyres into the MPV :)
So that I could smoke the ferra(my)vi…
.
osh_kosh.
si-fu works with proton, and he knows "almost" everything about proton's new cars. He had given us a lot of "non-classified" information on proton's upcoming models.
He could tell you everything about proton's RnD, but then he might have to kill you afterwards. :)
So, for the subject that revolves around Proton, he is a si-fu.
rt
TODAY, my father AVANZA 1.5G. 11month 20day, under 1 years old in toyota workshops, waiting for warannty claim from TOYOTA 3 day working days… front wheel got BIG problem, need to change SOME PART cost about RM4000.00… UNDER 1 YEARS GOT PROBLEMSSS…..
my MYVI 1.3 SX YEAR 2007, 6 month in use got problem. ALL POWER WINDOWS MULFUNCTION… already get warranty claim!!
then my father kancil 850 ex buy on OCT 2004, tempt, rpm, speed meter got problem in 1 month from recieve date!!! now ODO METER macam chipsmore!
this three car/mpv from same company yeah…**W
and canother thing, ONLY MY FATHER WIRA AEROBACK 1.3 GL got problem s after 4 years use..after accident!!
[quote comment="214509"]TODAY, my father AVANZA 1.5G. 11month 20day, under 1 years old in toyota workshops, waiting for warannty claim from TOYOTA 3 day working days… front wheel got BIG problem, need to change SOME PART cost about RM4000.00… UNDER 1 YEARS GOT PROBLEMSSS…..
my MYVI 1.3 SX YEAR 2007, 6 month in use got problem. ALL POWER WINDOWS MULFUNCTION… already get warranty claim!!
then my father kancil 850 ex buy on OCT 2004, tempt, rpm, speed meter got problem in 1 month from recieve date!!! now ODO METER macam chipsmore!
this three car/mpv from same company yeah…**W
and canother thing, ONLY MY FATHER WIRA AEROBACK 1.3 GL got problem s after 4 years use..after accident!![/quote]
i would say, owning car is like gamble nowadays LOL proton or not
Where you got the fact that Wish using Torsion beam?
Grand Livina also uses rear torsion beam. No problem there. Why must Proton employ fully independent setup for budget mpv?
Infact, higher curb weight and higher center of gravity for mpv would render fully independent suspension useless. It would generate heavy roll unless it comes with very thick anti-roll bar (which ends up behaving like torsion beam, left & right system almost lock together).
To overcome rolling problems manufacturer will have to lower the overall height of the mpv like what happens to Stream & latest Odyssey. Lack of headroom but handles only slightly better. Still no match compared to sedan. Not only headroom, but the legroom for third row also has to be sacrificed to make way for fully independent linkages. Would u sacrifice all that for the sentence 'fully independent rear suspension' in marketing brochure?
[quote comment="214229"]460,
dude..take it easy man…no need to caps lock..all of us can read ur comment..n i know ure really good n knowledgable…
btw..nice feedback frm u..cheers[/quote]
You call him knowledgeable? He don't even get the fact right. Toyota Wish runs on Double Wishbone with Stabiliser at the rear. My advice to him, stop being a smart @$$ just to defend P1.
[quote comment="214149"]all proton cars start from waja, all been tuned in LOTUS LAB…FOR UR INFO ALSO, NOT ONLY PROTON CARS, BUT ALSO UPCOMING KIA SOUL. NOT MENTIONING TOYOTAS AND HONDAS. THEY ALL USE LOTUS ENGENERING TECHNOLOGY. YES, HONDA STREAM USE INDEPENDANT SETUP AND IT WHEELBASE IS LONGER THAN TOYOTA WISH, BUT TOYOTA WISH THAT USE TORSION BEAM OFFERS MORE SPACE THAN HONDA STREAM ESPECIALLY FOR THE THIRD ROW,AND IT OFFERS MORE COMFORT THAT STREAM. BUT THE STREAM HANDLES A LITTLE WELL COMPARE TO WISH. THATS WHY PROTON USE TORSION BEAM, TO SAVE SPACE AND COST BUT DONT WORRY, EVENTHOUGH PROTON MPV USE TORSION BEAM, IT HANDLES VERY WELL,COMPARABLE WITH STREAM, IF NOT BETTER, IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF LOTUS. PLEASE TEST DRIVE PROTON SAVVY AND THE NEW SAGA BLM, THEN U KNOW HOW GOOD IS LOTUS, THEY CAN TUNE TORSION BEAM ACTS NEARLY THE SAME AS INDEPENDANT SETUP. BESIDES THAT, TORSION BEAM ALSO REDUCE SOME WEIGHT,THATS WHY CIVIC TYPE R (UK SPEC) USE IT AND THAT IS ALSO THE REASON WHY PROTON EXORA USE THE SAME SETUP.[/quote]
Toyota Wish use torsion beam? Torsion beam my @$$. It runs on Double Wishbone with Stabiliser at the rear. That is the fact!!!!!
[quote comment="214529"]Grand Livina also uses rear torsion beam. No problem there. Why must Proton employ fully independent setup for budget mpv?
Infact, higher curb weight and higher center of gravity for mpv would render fully independent suspension useless. It would generate heavy roll unless it comes with very thick anti-roll bar (which ends up behaving like torsion beam, left & right system almost lock together).
To overcome rolling problems manufacturer will have to lower the overall height of the mpv like what happens to Stream & latest Odyssey. Lack of headroom but handles only slightly better. Still no match compared to sedan. Not only headroom, but the legroom for third row also has to be sacrificed to make way for fully independent linkages. Would u sacrifice all that for the sentence 'fully independent rear suspension' in marketing brochure?[/quote]
Quite agree with you. I have no issue with Torsion Beam as long as it serve the perpose. Its just I hate to see P1 diehard trying to justify the use of Torsion Beam by giving false info on Toyota Wish. Saying that Toyota Wish also runs on Torsion Beam, which is A LIE.
Guys, the Toyota Wish came with torsion beam too. Japanese Wish (parallel imports, etc) are on torsion beam, the Thai CBU Wish brought in by Toyota uses double wishbone with stabiliser.
Thai specs – http://www.toyota.co.th/en/models/Wish/wish2007_s…
Japanese specs – http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_specs.p… and http://cars.st701.com/cars/view/27705
The torsion beam was used on 2WD models in Japan while the 4WD models got the double wishbone setup to accomodate the 4WD system at the rear. For some reason, Toyota decided to fit the 4WD rear suspension on the 2WD Wish in Thailand.
[quote comment="214535"]Guys, the Toyota Wish came with torsion beam too. Most Japanese Wish are on torsion beam, the Thai CBU uses double wishbone with stabiliser.
Thai specs – http://www.toyota.co.th/en/models/Wish/wish2007_s…
Japanese specs – http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_specs.p…
I know Paul but its not the case for Malaysian and Thailand version.
The same engineers designed both, besides he did not say Malaysia or Japan in particular, and there were already tons and tons of Japanese Wish with torsion beam on the road before UMW Toyota introduced their Thai Wish. So technically it is not a lie, just wanted to point that out to you.
I'm actually curious to find out why Thai specs get the 4WD suspension when it is 2WD, perhaps it can tackle South East Asian roads better than the torsion beam for smoother roads in Japan. This is just my own speculation of course, anyone who knows better please share.
[quote comment="214537"]The same engineers designed both, besides he did not say Malaysia or Japan in particular, and there were already tons and tons of Japanese Wish with torsion beam on the road before UMW Toyota introduced their Thai Wish. So technically it is not a lie, just wanted to point that out to you.
I'm actually curious to find out why Thai specs get the 4WD suspension when it is 2WD, perhaps it can tackle South East Asian roads better than the torsion beam for smoother roads in Japan. This is just my own speculation of course, anyone who knows better please share.[/quote]
The thing is some guys try to justify the implementation of Torsion Beam by referring to Toyota Wish which is not the case anymore.
BTW, can you tell me any significant difference in third row space between those two implementation of suspension on Toyota Wish?
[quote comment="214535"]Guys, the Toyota Wish came with torsion beam too. Japanese Wish (parallel imports, etc) are on torsion beam, the Thai CBU Wish brought in by Toyota uses double wishbone with stabiliser.
Thai specs – http://www.toyota.co.th/en/models/Wish/wish2007_s…
Japanese specs – http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_specs.p… and http://cars.st701.com/cars/view/27705
[b]The torsion beam was used on 2WD models in Japan while the 4WD models got the double wishbone setup to accomodate the 4WD system at the rear. For some reason, Toyota decided to fit the 4WD rear suspension on the 2WD Wish in Thailand.[/b][/quote]
Paul,
Why you have the option to edit your above posting but all other users can't? It would be nice if we all can edit our own posting.
i do not know if there is any difference, try asking owners.
you can't edit because there is no such function in the software.
[quote comment="214555"]i do not know if there is any difference, try asking owners.
you can't edit because there is no such function in the software.[/quote]
If there is no such function then why can you do it?
Paul Tan says: Because I am an admin user, so I can edit.
I see. Thanks Paul.
[quote comment="214539"][quote comment="214537"]The same engineers designed both, besides he did not say Malaysia or Japan in particular, and there were already tons and tons of Japanese Wish with torsion beam on the road before UMW Toyota introduced their Thai Wish. So technically it is not a lie, just wanted to point that out to you.
I'm actually curious to find out why Thai specs get the 4WD suspension when it is 2WD, perhaps it can tackle South East Asian roads better than the torsion beam for smoother roads in Japan. This is just my own speculation of course, anyone who knows better please share.[/quote]
The thing is some guys try to justify the implementation of Torsion Beam by referring to Toyota Wish which is not the case anymore.
BTW, can you tell me any significant difference in third row space between those two implementation of suspension on Toyota Wish?[/quote]
Funny….
paul ?
wish spec z is using a double wishbone and its a 2wd , pls check properly .
there are no different in space in wish with torsion beam or double wishbone, the double wishbone is the compact type which is small enough to used the same space as torsion beam , so the theory of use double wishbone/ multilink will eat some space, it is completely not true . it just see if you are a innovation engineer or looser engineer only .
[quote comment="214681"]paul ?
wish spec z is using a double wishbone and its a 2wd , pls check properly .
there are no different in space in wish with torsion beam or double wishbone, the double wishbone is the compact type which is small enough to used the same space as torsion beam , so the theory of use double wishbone/ multilink will eat some space, it is completely not true . it just see if you are a innovation engineer or looser engineer only .[/quote]
Malaysian and Thailand version are FWD (2WD) with Double Wishbone with Stabiliser at the rear. While Japanese version of FWD come with Torsion Beam and their 4WD version with Double Wishbone with Stabiliser at the rear.
As for the engineers. I'm not very sure if they are the innovative one. Perhaps its more like the latter.
[quote comment="214149"]all proton cars start from waja, all been tuned in LOTUS LAB…FOR UR INFO ALSO, NOT ONLY PROTON CARS, BUT ALSO UPCOMING KIA SOUL. NOT MENTIONING TOYOTAS AND HONDAS. THEY ALL USE LOTUS ENGENERING TECHNOLOGY. YES, HONDA STREAM USE INDEPENDANT SETUP AND IT WHEELBASE IS LONGER THAN TOYOTA WISH, BUT TOYOTA WISH THAT USE TORSION BEAM OFFERS MORE SPACE THAN HONDA STREAM ESPECIALLY FOR THE THIRD ROW,AND IT OFFERS MORE COMFORT THAT STREAM. BUT THE STREAM HANDLES A LITTLE WELL COMPARE TO WISH. THATS WHY PROTON USE TORSION BEAM, TO SAVE SPACE AND COST BUT DONT WORRY, EVENTHOUGH PROTON MPV USE TORSION BEAM, IT HANDLES VERY WELL,COMPARABLE WITH STREAM, IF NOT BETTER, IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF LOTUS. PLEASE TEST DRIVE PROTON SAVVY AND THE NEW SAGA BLM, THEN U KNOW HOW GOOD IS LOTUS, THEY CAN TUNE TORSION BEAM ACTS NEARLY THE SAME AS INDEPENDANT SETUP. BESIDES THAT, TORSION BEAM ALSO REDUCE SOME WEIGHT,THATS WHY CIVIC TYPE R (UK SPEC) USE IT AND THAT IS ALSO THE REASON WHY PROTON EXORA USE THE SAME SETUP.[/quote]
stop talking crap lah you , exora handling comparable with stream , thats the most rubbish comment i ever see from a proton people , pls be wise a bit . IF you are a proton engineer or car tester for proton , i know you all done a very hard work and try to make it as prefect as possible, but pls do not make some stupid statement about the car handling is the best , the interior best , material , best , fc best also . those words will only make ppl feel the car is crap
http://www.spyderchat.com/1zzfe.pdf download it and see in page 4
for those who claim that wish 1.8 have only 13xnm on 2k rpm , you are wrong indeed , during 2k rpm , the car is releasing almost 145nm already (which is 96% of torque from proton cps ), and for 460 infomation , the car weight 1300kg only and exora is expected to be somewhere around 1380kg+- .
as for steam , 160nm is available at 2k rpm already that 10 nm more from cps , pls do your home work first lah and pls take note that it is 2000 RPM .
http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/R18A/powerchart.jpg
Should Exora be meaningful,
According some leaked spec, it will have cruise control which is very useful for an mpv destine to do a lot of long journey, it'll have full steering audio control which is addictive (for those who used to this function) and aircond blower for all rows (quite concerned on the energy consumption though coz waja cps taxed quite some power from the engine and thats only for normal sedan cabin). These features are not widely available and not 'buy-fix' kinda accessory. Imagine buying much more expensive mpv without these features. Sure envy one.
Proton should make sure those functions reliable though.
Extra feature such as usb, dvd, sd-card reader, those can be purchased at your nearest 'brothers', 'save cost' and the likes.
[stop talking crap lah you , exora handling comparable with stream , thats the most rubbish comment i ever see from a proton people , pls be wise a bit . IF you are a proton engineer or car tester for proton , i know you all done a very hard work and try to make it as prefect as possible, but pls do not make some stupid statement about the car handling is the best , the interior best , material , best , fc best also . those words will only make ppl feel the car is crap[/quote]
Enough said mct..this man said base on fact as he is maybe a car RnD personnel and had thousand mile of testing..in fact this MPV is studied by using Toyota Wish as it's benchmark..so the got right to say this and that as they done the study..but you? Stop talking crap hell motorword la. Honda best? How you can say Honda has better handling since most of the technology is affordable to the masses? Honda use F1 handling setup ka? the it will cost the rm1 million per car. Is Honda car sells that price? i believe if that man say comparable with BMW or Merc then that right since the car title is different as this two marque are known luxury so people don't bother if they sell with high price tag. This HONDA JUST BLOOD SUCKING MACHINE TO SUCK MALAYSIAN BLOOD TO BE PUMP INTO TOKYA ODAIBA BAY.
[quote comment="214692"][quote comment="214149"]all proton cars start from waja, all been tuned in LOTUS LAB…FOR UR INFO ALSO, NOT ONLY PROTON CARS, BUT ALSO UPCOMING KIA SOUL. NOT MENTIONING TOYOTAS AND HONDAS. THEY ALL USE LOTUS ENGENERING TECHNOLOGY. YES, HONDA STREAM USE INDEPENDANT SETUP AND IT WHEELBASE IS LONGER THAN TOYOTA WISH, BUT TOYOTA WISH THAT USE TORSION BEAM OFFERS MORE SPACE THAN HONDA STREAM ESPECIALLY FOR THE THIRD ROW,AND IT OFFERS MORE COMFORT THAT STREAM. BUT THE STREAM HANDLES A LITTLE WELL COMPARE TO WISH. THATS WHY PROTON USE TORSION BEAM, TO SAVE SPACE AND COST BUT DONT WORRY, EVENTHOUGH PROTON MPV USE TORSION BEAM, IT HANDLES VERY WELL,COMPARABLE WITH STREAM, IF NOT BETTER, IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF LOTUS. PLEASE TEST DRIVE PROTON SAVVY AND THE NEW SAGA BLM, THEN U KNOW HOW GOOD IS LOTUS, THEY CAN TUNE TORSION BEAM ACTS NEARLY THE SAME AS INDEPENDANT SETUP. BESIDES THAT, TORSION BEAM ALSO REDUCE SOME WEIGHT,THATS WHY CIVIC TYPE R (UK SPEC) USE IT AND THAT IS ALSO THE REASON WHY PROTON EXORA USE THE SAME SETUP.[/quote]
stop talking crap lah you , exora handling comparable with stream , thats the most rubbish comment i ever see from a proton people , pls be wise a bit . IF you are a proton engineer or car tester for proton , i know you all done a very hard work and try to make it as prefect as possible, but pls do not make some stupid statement about the car handling is the best , the interior best , material , best , fc best also . those words will only make ppl feel the car is crap[/quote]
I can't see where is " the best " word in that man posting. It just comparable.
[quote comment="214564"][quote comment="214555"]i do not know if there is any difference, try asking owners.
you can't edit because there is no such function in the software.[/quote]
If there is no such function then why can you do it?
Paul Tan says: Because I am an admin user, so I can edit.[/quote]
MyBoy..i found this somewhere in goolge. .http://MyBoy.org . now you can edit posting there..
please read my comments first, i said comparable,meaning that nearly the same, not the same or better than the others. and one more thing, i never said that exora has the best interior or in other things. i just want to point out that why people always did not satisfy with proton, eventhough we try our best to satisfy u, but when it comes to japanese cars, eventhough they use the same things,the same material,the same setup, nobody complaint. we need no change our mindset. we are independent now, not under british or japanese invasion anymore. we must prove to them that one day we can beat them in term of technology.yes, we need some time to improve, so give proton a chance. you can bash after u test drive the mpv, but not before see it in flesh. just for ur info, when the car is climbing hill, the car need 40% of its power from the engine and the rest 60% is from the gear ratio. it is not a simple things to change the gear ratio because we need to test it thoroughly. we need to fork out the best to both world between power and fuel efficiency. after altering the gear ratio, for auto tranny, we also need to calibrate the ecu and tcu. all of this alteration done must be tested to test its reliability. if u think building an engine and gearbox is the same as blue printing engine, port and polish and it is just like put in half cut engine to your car, you are wrong.
there are many things that we need to do to ensure that malaysian people will get the best from proton. for this mpv, proton needs to make sure that this mpv will provide adequate space, safety, performance,design and function, accessories and to make sure that the mpv is worth its value. we can make an mpv as the same size as livina and avanza, and of course, it will be powerful than avanza and livina 1.6 but then malaysian will comments on unadequate of space. if we make it too big then it will be too heavy, so proton try to do their best to fulfill all malaysian needs. it is better for proton to utilise cps engine as it will promote the engine because proton will sell this mpv as world product. at the same time, proton can save cost. but prepared for a suprise…..cheers
dear 460,
Don't feel bad about all those crap talks from MyBoy la bro,.. he's just a little shy MyVi driver who has driven billions and billions of hours in his cute little pink MyVi which he has spent his millions and millions or RMs to upgrade here and there,.. and somehow happened to be a MyVi Salesman who is promoting his MyVi as the bestest and grandest supercar in the world because of its big T DNA and quality or whatever. Oh, he has just glued in the T emblem to his car a few moment ago to replace that P2 logo, his reason was maybe has something to do with national pride or something like that.
MyBoy,
please dont be mad at me yea bro,… i also write about you based on 'my own speculations' . May be you dont even own a MyVi, perhaps you're driving a Chayenne instead but hey, ..what the heck, people nowadays believe more on rumours and speculative opinions.
… even Mr Paultan also you don't even know.. haiyaah … malu loor.
ha ha ha
.peace!
later some of the commentors have to swallow their own word..
haih..
in engineering, many demand have to be fulfilled.
if not the best option is chosen, the second best available option is materialized.
as long it serves the purpose, then it's fulfilling.
it is our first national mpv. i'm proud of it.
let bygone be bygone.
460..what kind of surprise? :)
si-fu did mention this kind of surprise few months ago :)
just wait for the launch k…cheers
460… thanks for the info… enlightening… :D
Paul… I went to EON yesterday… and I saw a 1.6 Proton Saga!!! Brand new without any No. Plate. I caught some picture of the rear only but can't take a look under the hood because it is locked. How to upload the pic here? I asked around and it seems that you can order this versionbut it wouldn't be sold as a mass car. And there is no problem fitting the bigger engine because the Saga engine bay is big enough. But I'm not sure which Campro it is but I might hazard a guess that it is the I.6 Campro + IAFM… maybe… 460 or si_fu can confirm?
about the power sucks by the aircond, i have to agree. but the changes of the airconds make by proton because of the comments of the users that proton aircond units is not cool enough. thats why in new saga, savvy and etc, the aircond is powerful but there are some pros and cons. it will sucks power of the engine but u will get sufficient cooling. what u can do is to reduce the compressor temperature for example from 25 degree to 26 or 27 degree. but u can increase the fan speed because the fan speed will not sucks to much power compare to the compressor temperature. and regarding the saga 1.6, i cant tell u the details but u can refer to paultan articles before on sa 1.6. sory guys..cheers
basher always bash thing even not feeling and touch it. BTW issit the adult size seat like in nissan serena van??
[quote comment="214897"]460… thanks for the info… enlightening… :D
Paul… I went to EON yesterday… and I saw a 1.6 Proton Saga!!! Brand new without any No. Plate. I caught some picture of the rear only but can't take a look under the hood because it is locked. How to upload the pic here? I asked around and it seems that you can order this versionbut it wouldn't be sold as a mass car. And there is no problem fitting the bigger engine because the Saga engine bay is big enough. But I'm not sure which Campro it is but I might hazard a guess that it is the I.6 Campro + IAFM… maybe… 460 or si_fu can confirm?[/quote]
saga 1.6?? issit taxi or what?? what color is that?? nyesal la aku kalau keluar 1.6… dah beli 1.3 je
for campro engine i heard 1.6 and 1.3 same engine, but different stroke size… correct me if i wrong… cheers…
1.6 only for taxi due to JPJ regulation need all taxi must be 1.5cc above…
BTW the new CPS campro engine power and torque were comparable with old Civic/stream 1.7 vtec engine…if it can move stream 1.7 without any problem so does the campro cps since the weight is almost the same (old stream weight 1380kg)
[quote comment="214545"][quote comment="214535"]Guys, the Toyota Wish came with torsion beam too. Japanese Wish (parallel imports, etc) are on torsion beam, the Thai CBU Wish brought in by Toyota uses double wishbone with stabiliser.
Thai specs – http://www.toyota.co.th/en/models/Wish/wish2007_s…
Japanese specs – http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_specs.p… and http://cars.st701.com/cars/view/27705
[b]The torsion beam was used on 2WD models in Japan while the 4WD models got the double wishbone setup to accomodate the 4WD system at the rear. For some reason, Toyota decided to fit the 4WD rear suspension on the 2WD Wish in Thailand.[/b][/quote]
Paul,
Why you have the option to edit your above posting but all other users can't? It would be nice if we all can edit our own posting.[/quote]
Nobody would want to edit his/her post unless he thinks after he click the 'Submit Comment' button.
[quote comment="214972"][quote comment="214897"]460… thanks for the info… enlightening… :D
Paul… I went to EON yesterday… and I saw a 1.6 Proton Saga!!! Brand new without any No. Plate. I caught some picture of the rear only but can't take a look under the hood because it is locked. How to upload the pic here? I asked around and it seems that you can order this versionbut it wouldn't be sold as a mass car. And there is no problem fitting the bigger engine because the Saga engine bay is big enough. But I'm not sure which Campro it is but I might hazard a guess that it is the I.6 Campro + IAFM… maybe… 460 or si_fu can confirm?[/quote]
saga 1.6?? issit taxi or what?? what color is that?? nyesal la aku kalau keluar 1.6… dah beli 1.3 je
for campro engine i heard 1.6 and 1.3 same engine, but different stroke size… correct me if i wrong… cheers…[/quote]
[quote comment="215013"]1.6 only for taxi due to JPJ regulation need all taxi must be 1.5cc above…
BTW the new CPS campro engine power and torque were comparable with old Civic/stream 1.7 vtec engine…if it can move stream 1.7 without any problem so does the campro cps since the weight is almost the same (old stream weight 1380kg)[/quote]
Yes… it is a taxi… but according to 'a friend'… you can order the saga with 1.6. Is he bluffing? i don't know… but you can always try.. :D
With regard to Exora… most comments are based on assumption. Let's wait for the launch and after people who bought it, drove it and experienced it comment than we can see if it is a success or a flop… agree?
[quote comment="215013"]1.6 only for taxi due to JPJ regulation need all taxi must be 1.5cc above…
BTW the new CPS campro engine power and torque were comparable with old Civic/stream 1.7 vtec engine…if it can move stream 1.7 without any problem so does the campro cps since the weight is almost the same (old stream weight 1380kg)[/quote]
Since you do that kind of comparison. Why don't you compare Honda's Latest engine with Proton's previous engine, just to be fair. :D
[quote comment="214972"][quote comment="214897"]460… thanks for the info… enlightening… :D
Paul… I went to EON yesterday… and I saw a 1.6 Proton Saga!!! Brand new without any No. Plate. I caught some picture of the rear only but can't take a look under the hood because it is locked. How to upload the pic here? I asked around and it seems that you can order this versionbut it wouldn't be sold as a mass car. And there is no problem fitting the bigger engine because the Saga engine bay is big enough. But I'm not sure which Campro it is but I might hazard a guess that it is the I.6 Campro + IAFM… maybe… 460 or si_fu can confirm?[/quote]
saga 1.6?? issit taxi or what?? what color is that?? nyesal la aku kalau keluar 1.6… dah beli 1.3 je
for campro engine i heard 1.6 and 1.3 same engine, but different stroke size… correct me if i wrong… cheers…[/quote]
That would be great. I just hope Proton will put in 1.6 CPS in the Saga. So that all rakyat can enjoy the CPS. I'm always support Proton's idea to introduce Saga BLM at an affordable price as today. Bravo.
[quote comment="214690"][quote comment="214681"]paul ?
wish spec z is using a double wishbone and its a 2wd , pls check properly .
there are no different in space in wish with torsion beam or double wishbone, the double wishbone is the compact type which is small enough to used the same space as torsion beam , so the theory of use double wishbone/ multilink will eat some space, it is completely not true . it just see if you are a innovation engineer or looser engineer only .[/quote]
Malaysian and Thailand version are FWD (2WD) with Double Wishbone with Stabiliser at the rear. While Japanese version of FWD come with Torsion Beam and their 4WD version with Double Wishbone with Stabiliser at the rear.
As for the engineers. I'm not very sure if they are the innovative one. Perhaps its more like the latter.[/quote]
japan wish got many version , spec z is a 2L fwd model with double wishbone suspension at the back , this spec have 6seat instead of 7 seat , it like the sport model of wish
[quote comment="214876"]dear 460,
Don't feel bad about all those crap talks from MyBoy la bro,.. he's just a little shy MyVi driver who has driven billions and billions of hours in his cute little pink MyVi which he has spent his millions and millions or RMs to upgrade here and there,.. and somehow happened to be a MyVi Salesman who is promoting his MyVi as the bestest and grandest supercar in the world because of its big T DNA and quality or whatever. Oh, he has just glued in the T emblem to his car a few moment ago to replace that P2 logo, his reason was maybe has something to do with national pride or something like that.
MyBoy,
please dont be mad at me yea bro,… i also write about you based on 'my own speculations' . May be you dont even own a MyVi, perhaps you're driving a Chayenne instead but hey, ..what the heck, people nowadays believe more on rumours and speculative opinions.
… even Mr Paultan also you don't even know.. haiyaah … malu loor.
ha ha ha
.peace![/quote]
lol, nice sarcasm :D Bt I dun think he gt Myvi lar… in mtm forum, he gt Jeremy Clarkson quote as his siggy u noe, dun pray2 aah…. this myboy I think everyday drive ferrari, lambor, then go burn porsche, destroy kelisa, n when he gets imsomnia, he'll look at a picture of camry then can sleep.
Azlano said there's something very unique with regards to the seat….. I'm nt sure what, bt somebody guess it uses nappa leather :I
Ahh, nice to see the quote feature back, Paul :)
thanks abgabas for highlighting the points. yes, it is true, the old honda stream 1.7 weigh to be exact is 1373kg, and it churns out 125ps (not hp) and 154nm of torque. so its really nearly the same as cps engine at 127ps@125hp and 150nm of torque. and if the speculative weight is 1380 as somebody mention earlier(i'm not implying that this is the true weight of proton mpv),then u got the idea why this mpv is not underpower. no one ever complaint on the stream to be underpower, but yes, it is not as powerful as its big brother 2.0 ivtec during that time. but u must remember that cps is using drive by wire system. besides tweaking the gearbox, proton engineers also can tweak the engine response throughout the rpm range (with the help from lotus expertise in tuning and calibration). not to mention that we also need to consider the c o d. rim size also affected the mobility of a car eventhough it only has minor effect except you choose to use excessive size of sports rim. they also many things that proton engineers need to consider but it is unexplainable in words. if u are working in automotive engineering, then u know. we should appreciate their hardworking and effort
ok , you all just like to hear what good and not hear what bad? but that the fact , 1300kg with 145nm available at 2000rpm in wish and 1350++kg with 160nm at 2000rpm available in stream and you said 1380kg with 132nm at 2000rpm is comparable ? compare what ? weight ?
please be mature a bit , face the fact please . as i said i know you all do a hard work to made the car better and better but they are stills far from prefect .
[quote comment="215050"]thanks abgabas for highlighting the points. yes, it is true, the old honda stream 1.7 weigh to be exact is 1373kg, and it churns out 125ps (not hp) and 154nm of torque. so its really nearly the same as cps engine at 127ps@125hp and 150nm of torque. and if the speculative weight is 1380 as somebody mention earlier(i'm not implying that this is the true weight of proton mpv),then u got the idea why this mpv is not underpower. no one ever complaint on the stream to be underpower, but yes, it is not as powerful as its big brother 2.0 ivtec during that time. but u must remember that cps is using drive by wire system. besides tweaking the gearbox, proton engineers also can tweak the engine response throughout the rpm range (with the help from lotus expertise in tuning and calibration). not to mention that we also need to consider the c o d. rim size also affected the mobility of a car eventhough it only has minor effect except you choose to use excessive size of sports rim. they also many things that proton engineers need to consider but it is unexplainable in words. if u are working in automotive engineering, then u know. we should appreciate their hardworking and effort[/quote]
you can refer to the torque pic i gave , 140nm is available for 1.7 old stream from 2000rpm onward , 140NM , WHILE THE EXORA IS SAID TO BE 132NM
[quote comment="215029"][quote comment="215013"]1.6 only for taxi due to JPJ regulation need all taxi must be 1.5cc above…
BTW the new CPS campro engine power and torque were comparable with old Civic/stream 1.7 vtec engine…if it can move stream 1.7 without any problem so does the campro cps since the weight is almost the same (old stream weight 1380kg)[/quote]
Since you do that kind of comparison. Why don't you compare Honda's Latest engine with Proton's previous engine, just to be fair. :D[/quote]
bro which engine do you mean? is it honda nsx engine…what do you mean fair? sorry i'm a bit confius reading all your comment…
[quote comment="215056"][quote comment="215029"][quote comment="215013"]1.6 only for taxi due to JPJ regulation need all taxi must be 1.5cc above…
BTW the new CPS campro engine power and torque were comparable with old Civic/stream 1.7 vtec engine…if it can move stream 1.7 without any problem so does the campro cps since the weight is almost the same (old stream weight 1380kg)[/quote]
Since you do that kind of comparison. Why don't you compare Honda's Latest engine with Proton's previous engine, just to be fair. :D[/quote]
bro which engine do you mean? is it honda nsx engine…what do you mean fair? sorry i'm a bit confius reading all your comment…[/quote]
R16A is enough to take on proton cps , and more torque can be obtain from that engine then cps
[quote comment="215057"][quote comment="215056"][quote comment="215029"][quote comment="215013"]1.6 only for taxi due to JPJ regulation need all taxi must be 1.5cc above…
BTW the new CPS campro engine power and torque were comparable with old Civic/stream 1.7 vtec engine…if it can move stream 1.7 without any problem so does the campro cps since the weight is almost the same (old stream weight 1380kg)[/quote]
Since you do that kind of comparison. Why don't you compare Honda's Latest engine with Proton's previous engine, just to be fair. :D[/quote]
bro which engine do you mean? is it honda nsx engine…what do you mean fair? sorry i'm a bit confius reading all your comment…[/quote]
R16A is enough to take on proton cps , and more torque can be obtain from that engine then cps[/quote]
standard comment from Honda Fan hehe…bro i'm not proton engineer..and i don't bash any others product bro..btw i own a 2000cc turbo car..but still said it enough for everage joe to moving it family from point a to point B bro…even toyota sell it corolla verso mpv in europe with just 1.6 vvti engine bro…that mpv wight 1400kg…no problem bro…you want power buy la ferrari ke
[quote comment=”215215″]mct said,
February 25, 2009 @ 12:09 am
if i wasn’t care about national car, i won’t be here anyway . not proton not good , just some one in here are too protective . and why should i jealous with proton technology ???
now is 21th century , dunno how to build a nice engine , go get help from expert , unlike back then , the resources are limited. and japanese car company not older then 100year old , no Japanese car company are over 100 year old
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you are not jealous about proton technology but you and many here are not ready to accept proton’s resurgence….
i dont know why most malaysians feel that their product is less superior to produces from other country..
this mentality will only make us go backward..proton’s failure will be ours too..this nations failure is ours too!!
you can support japanese product/car/engine as much as you like but your are just looking at their final product!!
their education system is far more superior than us..so they produce better engineers..they employ more capable homegrown engineers which has creative thinking and highly motivated minds..these qualities can push their nation forward..not just japanese but most developed nation..even singapore which was part of us 40 years ago…and look at them now!!!
if we can have a good education system..a more open system based on merits..we never will produce good engineers,designers,leaders,and etc..
and if we dont produce much of these kinda people..we cannot move forward…you can have the will to suceed but must be capable to propel your will!
We as a nation must have the correct mentality!!we are being overtaken by countries which just started developing…our Universities ranking has always been free falling..so do you think we are capable of producing world class products??think again…
We dont work as a nation..some are racist,some a corrupted,some are selfish,some are useless and some are senseless..i am talking about leaders here..
so we have a long way…so what proton have done is something to be admired…thats the reason many in this forum are proud and excited!!
as a country we are not doing well at all..so small matter such a proton producing a MPV means alot to us!!
we dont win football tournaments..its been a long time since we won any cups in badminton..its been impossible to produce world class grads with our best universities not even making it to top 200…its been a long time we seen a good political leader/leaders…its been a long time since we as a nation achieve something great…
so if you look at it that way…this proton MPV means alot to some..and that the reason we dont need people like you to spoil the fun by talking negatively and think that malaysians are useless…
its always us!!if we are not doing good enough then the country will not do good enough…
a simple example will tell you..look at korean..when they cant produce better cars cheaper..they employ all the best european..and when they produce better cars..they cant sell it cheap..and if they dont sell it cheap..they dont make enough profit..
they have to sell two cars to make enough profit from 1 car sold by toyota..
and this will be the case for proton..if they employ all the best in business to help them produce better cars..we will not afford to buy them..quality is not cheap…it always comes with a price…and we cant afford proton..most people cant even afford cars then!!!
its a delicate balance…if we produce good and capable local engineers and designers…we can keep cost at bay..and produce better car with truly malaysian input!!till then we cant expect quatum leap of development in our product…so dear MCT..please dont spoil the little encouragement and excitement that malaysian people have!!
Malaysia eerrr…boleh??[/quote]
ok , you are right .
actually i was anticipating this mpv as well , but some comment here just out of their mind , and i only show the real fact but been bash for nothing.
you see , i see lot of comment from proton “engineer” when a new proton car is going to launch , and they said it was nice, they put a lot of hard work in it ,and i believe so , but when the car come out , it isn’t like what they said.
do you notice , the dashboard and the meter on the new proton is position at a super low level ?? it made switch hard to reach and inconvenience as well .
[quote comment="215053"]ok , you all just like to hear what good and not hear what bad? but that the fact , 1300kg with 145nm available at 2000rpm in wish and 1350++kg with 160nm at 2000rpm available in stream and you said 1380kg with 132nm at 2000rpm is comparable ? compare what ? weight ?
please be mature a bit , face the fact please . as i said i know you all do a hard work to made the car better and better but they are stills far from prefect .[/quote]
well you like to hear all the bad thing am i right??come on..where do you get those facts???you should compare wish 1.8 engine and 1.8 stream engine…dont try to be smart by comparing their bigger engine with a 1.6 cps engine..dont try to fool people here by giving facts which sounds real enough!!
it clearly shows you are trying your very best to show japanese cars are superior..and jealous of proton's development!!
remember that japanese engines has gone through hundreds of evelution and revolution..proton's is just starting..and they will only get better..
and stop spreading rumours…please..compare wisely…
nice mpv…
dear mct,
check the proper torque graph and then talk..the link you gave above was not accurate!!!i mean for the honda engine..and for the toyota..it is correct but that graph does not give you accurate value..so how did you get exact value by refering to those graphs??come on man..dont try to make yourself look smart…
MCT,
for your info honda stream(previous gen) uses D17 engine and not R18A…
well we can talk about 1.6litre -170hp engine anytime,
it require aggresive cam, clyinder wall, piston ,con rod, valve spring need beefed up, special coating , forged metal, that will implicate cost,
there is a price for 170hp,
Hi 460, i like read ur comment coz a lot of information about EXORA. Is it EXORA using same CAMPRO CPS currently install inside the WAJA CPS?
[quote comment="215149"]Hi 460, i like read ur comment coz a lot of information about EXORA. Is it EXORA using same CAMPRO CPS currently install inside the WAJA CPS?[/quote]
It will be the same engine, but different configuration, different ECU and TCU mapping, different gear ratios, different divebility, different response…
Actually, using the same engine in a few models is not as easy as just swapping the engine, it needs to be recalibrated, to suit its new body so that the best performance can be obtained out of it. For example, currently the CPS is installed in Waja, Gen-2, Neo and Exora….however all this engines has different setup and charecteristics to suit the purpose of the vehicle. For instance, the Waja CPS is a mid size sedan cum excuitive car, so the engine was tuned and configured to be smooth and suitable for crusing, however if u push it hard, it turns into a more aggresive engine. Whereas the Neo is considered, as sports hatch, so the engine was tuned to be more responsive, more aggresive, better power devilery and so on….So for the MPV, the engine will be tuned to serve its purpose in an MPV, to obtain and use efficiently the available torque at its common driving range (2000 to 3500 rpm), sharper trottle response, better torque and power management, clean and smooth power delivery, better fuel economy, and so on….so eventhough its the same engine, u cant expect it to perform as same as the Neo, Waja or Gen-2….cause each one was tuned specifically for its purpose…
Cheers!
please be mature a bit , face the fact please . as i said i know you all do a hard work to made the car better and better but they are stills far from prefect .[/quote]
well you like to hear all the bad thing am i right??come on..where do you get those facts???you should compare wish 1.8 engine and 1.8 stream engine…dont try to be smart by comparing their bigger engine with a 1.6 cps engine..dont try to fool people here by giving facts which sounds real enough!!
it clearly shows you are trying your very best to show japanese cars are superior..and jealous of proton's development!!
remember that japanese engines has gone through hundreds of evelution and revolution..proton's is just starting..and they will only get better..
and stop spreading rumours…please..compare wisely…[/quote]
mct dude,
mature people didnt google all over for dynograph. Mature people just go out and DRIVE. Those surfing for graph usually a geek. And to conclude this mpv 'far from perfect' even before the actual car launch might be mature enough for a geek.
City idsi was rated 86bhp, 131Nm weighing almost 1100kg but since its a Honda, its powerful right?
Prem,
So he is that japanese slave we're talking about.. ;)
[quote comment="214525"]Where you got the fact that Wish using Torsion beam?[/quote]
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you see, wish also use torsion beam like paul said.
http://www.huayanginternational.com/web/Default.a…
no point to say whether it is malaysia version or thai version or africa verson or even mars version… it's still use torsion beam as what exora have,
so go n bash wish la beb.
MODEL TOYOTA WISH 1.8A VVT-I
ENGINE Type DOHC Water Cool 4 Cylinder 16 Valves
Displacement 1,794cc
Max Output 97KW (132PS) / 6000rpm
Max Torque 170Nm (17.3Kgm) / 4200rpm
Fuel Consumption 14.4 km / L
Fuel Tank 60 litres
CHASSIS Steering Rack & Pinion with Power Assist
Brakes Front: Ventilated Disc Rear: Leading Trailing
Suspension Front: Macpherson Strut Rear: Torsion Beam
Tyres & Rims 195/65R15 6JJ Steel Rims
SAFETY Brakes ABS with EBD
Airbag Front Dual SRS Airbag
Seat Belt Front: 3 point ELR with Pre-tioner & Load Limiter
Rear: 3 point ELR
DIMENSIONS Overall Length 4550mm Int. Length 2670mm
Overall Width 1695mm Int. Width 1460mm
Overall Height 1590mm Int. Height 1310mm
Wheelbase 2750mm
Ground Clearance 155mm
Turning Radius 5.3m
WEIGHT Curb Weight 1300kg
TRANSMISSION Type Super Intelligent 4 Speed Automatic (Super ECT)
Gear Ratio 2.847 1.552 1.000 0.700 2.343
Final Drive Ratio 4.237
[quote comment="214531"][quote comment="214229"]460,
dude..take it easy man…no need to caps lock..all of us can read ur comment..n i know ure really good n knowledgable…
btw..nice feedback frm u..cheers[/quote]
You call him knowledgeable? He don't even get the fact right. Toyota Wish runs on Double Wishbone with Stabiliser at the rear. My advice to him, stop being a smart @$$ just to defend P1.[/quote]
cammon la myboy,
go and do some study. u re on9 what..juat type toyota wish specification in the google search bar and nahh..you'll get all info u need. read by youeself la kawan.
wish oso use torsion beam what…beside the double wishbone..
[quote comment="215186"]please be mature a bit , face the fact please . as i said i know you all do a hard work to made the car better and better but they are stills far from prefect .[/quote]
well you like to hear all the bad thing am i right??come on..where do you get those facts???you should compare wish 1.8 engine and 1.8 stream engine…dont try to be smart by comparing their bigger engine with a 1.6 cps engine..dont try to fool people here by giving facts which sounds real enough!!
it clearly shows you are trying your very best to show japanese cars are superior..and jealous of proton's development!!
remember that japanese engines has gone through hundreds of evelution and revolution..proton's is just starting..and they will only get better..
and stop spreading rumours…please..compare wisely…[/quote]
mct dude,
mature people didnt google all over for dynograph. Mature people just go out and DRIVE. Those surfing for graph usually a geek. And to conclude this mpv 'far from perfect' even before the actual car launch might be mature enough for a geek.
City idsi was rated 86bhp, 131Nm weighing almost 1100kg but since its a Honda, its powerful right?
Prem,
So he is that japanese slave we're talking about.. ;)[/quote]
city got cvt to make it , and no people said it is powerfull .
[quote comment="215186"]please be mature a bit , face the fact please . as i said i know you all do a hard work to made the car better and better but they are stills far from prefect .[/quote]
well you like to hear all the bad thing am i right??come on..where do you get those facts???you should compare wish 1.8 engine and 1.8 stream engine…dont try to be smart by comparing their bigger engine with a 1.6 cps engine..dont try to fool people here by giving facts which sounds real enough!!
it clearly shows you are trying your very best to show japanese cars are superior..and jealous of proton's development!!
remember that japanese engines has gone through hundreds of evelution and revolution..proton's is just starting..and they will only get better..
and stop spreading rumours…please..compare wisely…[/quote]
mct dude,
mature people didnt google all over for dynograph. Mature people just go out and DRIVE. Those surfing for graph usually a geek. And to conclude this mpv 'far from perfect' even before the actual car launch might be mature enough for a geek.
City idsi was rated 86bhp, 131Nm weighing almost 1100kg but since its a Honda, its powerful right?
Prem,
So he is that japanese slave we're talking about.. ;)[/quote]
wow ? could you pls check back the quote ???
who talk 1.8 engine first ? 460 did
who said 1.7 engine first 460 did
i just gv fact and those fact are real fact what ? or you wanted to see some fake fact ??? i can register with another name and said , the exora have 140nm from 1000rpm and you all must reply with , good jod from proton !
so silly !
if i wasn't care about national car, i won't be here anyway . not proton not good , just some one in here are too protective . and why should i jealous with proton technology ???
now is 21th century , dunno how to build a nice engine , go get help from expert , unlike back then , the resources are limited. and japanese car company not older then 100year old , no Japanese car company are over 100 year old .
Hi Si-fu, thanks for ur explanation. Help me a lot to understand and no doubt to buy EXORA. To basher, don't give a comment if know nothing about PROTON. This new era for PROTON with new leadership. But u can give suggestion to PROTON to improve the quality of product and not just blame them. Why not to basher take a minutes and read the history of KIA, HONDA, TOYOTA or GM. How long they take time to became a success car manufacturer. It useless if you have good car but became bankrupt like SAAB. Or GM having a financial problem. There are many aspect must to aware not only just design the engine.Just give a chance to PROTON, coz 50000 employees depend on PROTON.Can U imagine what happen if PROTON going down?? Think about it..
cheers
To basher, how many percent you all know the detail of CAMPRO engine? Any figure? Then tell me…
To mct,
I know you expert in the automotive thing and I think LOTUS very expert in automotive segment, sure PROTON will ask them for help. Why PROTON need to ask from Japanese..
cheerss….
mct said,
February 25, 2009 @ 12:09 am
if i wasn’t care about national car, i won’t be here anyway . not proton not good , just some one in here are too protective . and why should i jealous with proton technology ???
now is 21th century , dunno how to build a nice engine , go get help from expert , unlike back then , the resources are limited. and japanese car company not older then 100year old , no Japanese car company are over 100 year old
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you are not jealous about proton technology but you and many here are not ready to accept proton's resurgence….
i dont know why most malaysians feel that their product is less superior to produces from other country..
this mentality will only make us go backward..proton's failure will be ours too..this nations failure is ours too!!
you can support japanese product/car/engine as much as you like but your are just looking at their final product!!
their education system is far more superior than us..so they produce better engineers..they employ more capable homegrown engineers which has creative thinking and highly motivated minds..these qualities can push their nation forward..not just japanese but most developed nation..even singapore which was part of us 40 years ago…and look at them now!!!
if we can have a good education system..a more open system based on merits..we never will produce good engineers,designers,leaders,and etc..
and if we dont produce much of these kinda people..we cannot move forward…you can have the will to suceed but must be capable to propel your will!
We as a nation must have the correct mentality!!we are being overtaken by countries which just started developing…our Universities ranking has always been free falling..so do you think we are capable of producing world class products??think again…
We dont work as a nation..some are racist,some a corrupted,some are selfish,some are useless and some are senseless..i am talking about leaders here..
so we have a long way…so what proton have done is something to be admired…thats the reason many in this forum are proud and excited!!
as a country we are not doing well at all..so small matter such a proton producing a MPV means alot to us!!
we dont win football tournaments..its been a long time since we won any cups in badminton..its been impossible to produce world class grads with our best universities not even making it to top 200…its been a long time we seen a good political leader/leaders…its been a long time since we as a nation achieve something great…
so if you look at it that way…this proton MPV means alot to some..and that the reason we dont need people like you to spoil the fun by talking negatively and think that malaysians are useless…
its always us!!if we are not doing good enough then the country will not do good enough…
a simple example will tell you..look at korean..when they cant produce better cars cheaper..they employ all the best european..and when they produce better cars..they cant sell it cheap..and if they dont sell it cheap..they dont make enough profit..
they have to sell two cars to make enough profit from 1 car sold by toyota..
and this will be the case for proton..if they employ all the best in business to help them produce better cars..we will not afford to buy them..quality is not cheap…it always comes with a price…and we cant afford proton..most people cant even afford cars then!!!
its a delicate balance…if we produce good and capable local engineers and designers…we can keep cost at bay..and produce better car with truly malaysian input!!till then we cant expect quatum leap of development in our product…so dear MCT..please dont spoil the little encouragement and excitement that malaysian people have!!
Malaysia eerrr…boleh??
u all talking like u all a perfect man.. more fussier than finding a wife… pretty wife = more maintenance… not so pretty one =can cook.. sihgt!!!
[quote comment="215213"]To basher, how many percent you all know the detail of CAMPRO engine? Any figure? Then tell me…
To mct,
I know you expert in the automotive thing and I think LOTUS very expert in automotive segment, sure PROTON will ask them for help. Why PROTON need to ask from Japanese..
cheerss….[/quote]
i didn't say call proton ask japanese to tune their engine ! IF , LOTUS need large amount of consultant fee, will you go ?? there are lot of firm can do this . AND in the first place , lotus design the campro engine which got lot of power at high rpm and weak in low rpm , plus the fuel consumption of campro is on the high side,maybe due to insufficient of fund throw into the investment ? i believe lotus have the power to fine tuned a engine , but tuning engine need times and you think lotus won't charge proton just because they are the mother company to them ? ?
[actually i was anticipating this mpv as well , but some comment here just out of their mind , and i only show the real fact but been bash for nothing.
you see , i see lot of comment from proton "engineer" when a new proton car is going to launch , and they said it was nice, they put a lot of hard work in it ,and i believe so , but when the car come out , it isn't like what they said.
do you notice , the dashboard and the meter on the new proton is position at a super low level ?? it made switch hard to reach and inconvenience as well .[/quote]
mct..you talk crap again. The MPV still not yet out but you already say the dasboard is super low level? Do you have any basis? you already sit inside so that you can say swithces hard to reach? I think you are too much eyeing the Japs *** and dreaming the "doraemon" desk drawer that can bring you to the future so that you can taste the MPV before its launched.
I believe proton engineers had make a lot of improvement in ergonomic. From the interior photo here, i noticed is very ergonomic and up to Toyota level. I expect the instrument panel also got proton best ergonomic type. So i talk base on fact not use doraemon drawer to go future.
could you read my comment properly ?
i said new proton , i didn't say it is the mpv !
from the pic on the blog, it is clear , this mpv dashboard is located at a high position , and if it is put on a low level, the gear wouldn't be dash mounted ! . What i mean new proton is neo,persona,blm . Their dashboard is position on a low level can't you notice that ?
and i didn't notice that i have to write all the model name out because all new model from proton and on the market all feature a low position dashboard (except for waja) .
I think this mpv will be the hottest car of the year 2009. The specification is better than stream i guess.
dear mr my boy and mr mct, i just want to point out that when honda comes out with 1.7 stream, nobody complaint about that it is underpower. not state direct comparison with old honda engine and cps engine. u need to learn to understand the point. next, also regarding 1.8 honda and toyota, i'm not doing direct comparison, i just want to point out that in term of drivebility comparable, meaning that it is not the same but it is not much behind the rest, thats why i used percentage not the number of torque. its percentage of torque is comparable to the percentage of the torque output by 1.8 toyota and honda. read back my post, i state PERCENTAGE. for those who said that i'm a liar and using harsh words towards me, please, get the facts right, u said my@@@@ toyota use torsion beam. before u start me, it is better u insult urself because it shows that u did not no everything and try to show us that u know everything about automotive. i just want to state in term of drivebility, and about the handling, i'm not saying it is the best, but comparable only. even renault megane r26 also use torsion beam setup. but for those who test drive the car, they only praise about its handing. ok, i think nothing will satisfy the bashers, i dont no why i waste time explaining to those who like to google on the net and try to act like they are automotive engineer. ok, the power is in ur hand, i u dont like it,dont buy it. proton never force u to buy this mpv. just buy ur wish and stream or maybe avanza. it will suit u. cheers
and one more thing, for mr mct, waja also have the same low position dashboard..cheers
u need to reserve ur comments on the dash board when u see the car in flesh. i still wonder how do u know its position even u never been in one before….my be u the next david blaine. now everybody know that all ur talks are crap….cheers
it has been a long way…but proton is improving…few years back, especially during gen2, whenever there's a post about proton in paultan.org, the negative comments is like mushrooms sprouting everywhere..while the pity proton supporter will be bashed as how the bashers bash proton..
however, after DSZ took over, with the intro of satria neo, persona, saga and now the much awaited Exora, the tables are turned around at the bashers..so many giving positive comments and the bashers are bashed like how ppl in the world bashed George Bush…(if u get wat i mean..)
anyway, about the car..if u noticed on the 2nd row seat side, there's something on corner of the left-most seat…cant really make out wat it is…any idea??
[quote comment="215222"][quote comment="215213"]To basher, how many percent you all know the detail of CAMPRO engine? Any figure? Then tell me…
To mct,
I know you expert in the automotive thing and I think LOTUS very expert in automotive segment, sure PROTON will ask them for help. Why PROTON need to ask from Japanese..
cheerss….[/quote]
i didn't say call proton ask japanese to tune their engine ! IF , LOTUS need large amount of consultant fee, will you go ?? there are lot of firm can do this . AND in the first place , lotus design the campro engine which got lot of power at high rpm and weak in low rpm , plus the fuel consumption of campro is on the high side,maybe due to insufficient of fund throw into the investment ? i believe lotus have the power to fine tuned a engine , but tuning engine need times and you think lotus won't charge proton just because they are the mother company to them ? ?[/quote]
Yes Lotus would charge high consultant fee. But then the net profit from Lotus would go back to the mother company, Proton, when the financial yes closes was'nt it? What the fuss?
[quote comment="215239"]and i didn't notice that i have to write all the model name out because all new model from proton and on the market all feature a low position dashboard (except for waja) .[/quote]
Later Proton listen to u and raise the dashboard, typically u will say poor visibility.
Dont know how giant you are but they have to consider the 'bonsai's too.
[quote comment="215271"]it has been a long way…but proton is improving…few years back, especially during gen2, whenever there's a post about proton in paultan.org, the negative comments is like mushrooms sprouting everywhere..while the pity proton supporter will be bashed as how the bashers bash proton..
however, after DSZ took over, with the intro of satria neo, persona, saga and now the much awaited Exora, the tables are turned around at the bashers..so many giving positive comments and the bashers are bashed like how ppl in the world bashed George Bush…(if u get wat i mean..)
anyway, about the car..if u noticed on the 2nd row seat side, there's something on corner of the left-most seat…cant really make out wat it is…any idea??[/quote]
Isofix for child seats? but seems to large. Or maybe some kind of lever for seats folding.
Lots of comment. Some +ve and some -ve.
Hopefully P1 will come out with better quality product and same goes to their vendors. Please P1, don't compromise in term of quality if you want to succeed and build trust from the existing and potential customer.
infinity said,
anyway, about the car..if u noticed on the 2nd row seat side, there’s something on corner of the left-most seat…cant really make out wat it is…any idea??
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That is just part of the seat design pattern I guess. Nothing to worry about.
tips for campro user…try to use petrol like v power. there u can feel the diffrent about power and fc. then ask si_fu why this happen. anybody use campro?
korang ni…..rm70k pon da bising……korang tgok la….full furnish…siap ada LCD kat kepala seat….tp livina ke avanza hodoh ke…..rm atas drpd rm60k x de LCD langsung…x de plak korang nk bising…berbaloi la beb…..enjin nk power korang nk pegi mana??mpv ni utk family aje…bukan tuk berlumba……kalau nk mpv tu murah..enjin nk power…buatlah sendiri..rekalah sendiri…buh la enjin 4.4 syarikat sendiri..nk tgok power ke x power
P1 is really gud rite now (improve)..ill buy persona and its really worthily . Go,go,go proton..i will support u no matter what..hehe..
i believe Exora must be better than persona..
ending his sentences with 'cheers'. 460 is si-fu?
conti, jap and malaysian.. please say which manufacturer makes the best midsize mpv
if want more power from exora..wait until next year the campro iafm turbo…the power for the 1.6 turbo should be the comparable with 2.0 NA engine HP and 2.4 engine torque..but after that please don't complaint on the fuel consumption…
[quote comment="215321"]ending his sentences with 'cheers'. 460 is si-fu?
conti, jap and malaysian.. please say which manufacturer makes the best midsize mpv[/quote]
bro aku bukan 460 lah….aku pun tak tahu 460 ni sape, tapi dr information yg dia bagi sume, nampak cam org proton jugak….betul ker En. 460???…..
Yang lain2 tuh, dah lah tuh, tak yah lah gaduh2, bash2, merugikan masa, tenaga dan tak berfaedah. Tunggulah MPV ni launch, sebulan jer lagi…pastu bagilah komen yang membina. Proton is always listening to its customers, no matter where the sources are from, even from this forum….so if everyone cooperates, gives constructive comments, we will definitely consider it….
Have a nice day,
Cheers! (460 jangan ar tiru trademark aku, jadik issue nih…hahahaha. Just kidding bro!)
the cps allow longer gearing. and you can really feel the difference in the manual on the open road”
this a quote by engineer, in CBT
SIFU,,
please clearify this for me, it is due to the change of a final drive and 2, 3rd gear recalibration, is this translate pickup sensation on 1 2 3 and relax low rpm at 5th?- that what i presume,
sifu , this is my question, ill be glad if i found the answer, at least it appease me. im about owning this baby,
ill be glad if neo cps beside sporty, it a cruiser with relax engine, 2500 at 100 for instance,
or its different from what i expected??
thanks sifu
(sorry paul a bit off topic)
Ha ha ha….
I'm tired with all those 'atas angin' comments. Like to bash that, critict these….
All I can say….Wait 1st laaa until launching real one. See it and taste it by yeself! Use all your 5 senses…
Ini tidak…blom klua lagi dah hentam mcm2….
If P1 can make Campro engine to be 1.8L and 2.0L and tuned it to CPS that would be superb.
I hope this will be fulfill in next 2-3 years
1.6L Campro CPS 125bhp / 150Nm
1.8L Campro CPS ???bhp / ???Nm
2.0L Campro CPS ???bhp / ???Nm
Who can guest the outputs??? Maybe some bashers that always know how the future ill answer this… hehe
[quote comment="215191"][quote comment="214525"]Where you got the fact that Wish using Torsion beam?[/quote]
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you see, wish also use torsion beam like paul said.
http://www.huayanginternational.com/web/Default.a…
no point to say whether it is malaysia version or thai version or africa verson or even mars version… it's still use torsion beam as what exora have,
so go n bash wish la beb.
MODEL TOYOTA WISH 1.8A VVT-I
ENGINE Type DOHC Water Cool 4 Cylinder 16 Valves
Displacement 1,794cc
Max Output 97KW (132PS) / 6000rpm
Max Torque 170Nm (17.3Kgm) / 4200rpm
Fuel Consumption 14.4 km / L
Fuel Tank 60 litres
CHASSIS Steering Rack & Pinion with Power Assist
Brakes Front: Ventilated Disc Rear: Leading Trailing
Suspension Front: Macpherson Strut Rear: Torsion Beam
Tyres & Rims 195/65R15 6JJ Steel Rims
SAFETY Brakes ABS with EBD
Airbag Front Dual SRS Airbag
Seat Belt Front: 3 point ELR with Pre-tioner & Load Limiter
Rear: 3 point ELR
DIMENSIONS Overall Length 4550mm Int. Length 2670mm
Overall Width 1695mm Int. Width 1460mm
Overall Height 1590mm Int. Height 1310mm
Wheelbase 2750mm
Ground Clearance 155mm
Turning Radius 5.3m
WEIGHT Curb Weight 1300kg
TRANSMISSION Type Super Intelligent 4 Speed Automatic (Super ECT)
Gear Ratio 2.847 1.552 1.000 0.700 2.343
Final Drive Ratio 4.237[/quote]
Thank you for the fact. Perhaps, it will reduce many potential buyers resistance in regard of rear suspension, huh?
Me too dont have that superb knowledge in automotive but i'd like to read from readers comments in term to gain something from that. But, after all what I ve read here, I can see and relate why Proton put this do like that.
For example, why use torsion beam or what so called technology in suspension, engineers have thought of from all every other aspects why we had to choose to put torsion beam(for example). Costings, Malaysian needs, Final Pricing-not too low not too high, maintenance bla bla bla etc. If to put better technology, must be better price isnt it? to put full leather so pls dont complain if the price is higher.
From what I read here, most comments just like to bash because they can only see from 1-2 sides. Instead, Proton have considered all the points why to put this choose that on this first MPV project. Every thing put on this MPV must have effect on its price. So, all considerations have been put on table to discussions. Its all about reason why and its rationality.
Of course they study everything to balance everything until the last most important thing : PRICE.
If dont like, buy better one suitable with ur deeper pocket.
I have full confidence that the Campro 1.6 CPS is not underpowered to pull the new Proton MPV. I once rented a Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 aspirated engine with 7 people on board. No problems at all when traveling from Brighton (England) to Inverness (Scotland) going through the Scotland highlands. I have a Waja Campro (old model) and has no problem climbing up the Karak Highway, Bukit Tangga and Bukit Putus. The Campo CPS is a better and more powerful engine.
My wife has a Gen 2 1.3 Auto. When I drive this car with a friend he thinks that it is a 1.6. He was shock when I told him that it is a 1.3 A. Go into 3 rd gear and it will up a hilly road with ease. It depends on how you drive as the car will suit the driver's style of driving. Imagine what a 1.6 could do. I am sure it will be like a 1.8. So don't worry.
Proud to been Malaysian. For malaysian national car bashers, shame of you. why you all have to "Bangga" with out side product. Proton with new manegment also new spirit. you all basher talk like you have wish, alphard, stream, & vito. please wait after the lunching and test drive and then you can bashing like you are the CEO of proton. that ok. how ever i salute to the "Pakar Nujum" that can talk about the future of proton. even he also they also dont know if they can buy ferrarri or aston martin. normaly this "pakar nujum" just drive kancil or viva that have been install with L6 engine (keranda bergerak) hahaha… To the basher, if you all very good enough, try to design the funtion car. surely said even tamiya skill model car also can't even built properly….
x sabar nak tunggu test drive exora.
yea, wait until exora launching then test it properly… wanna test the crash rating? try to hit a tree within 64kph pf speed with that test drive unit… after that, come again here and give some comment.. if u still ok then, ok la mpv tu :) … if u badly injury then u can bash like there is no tommorow for u…. byk cakap.. inilah… itulah… jgn kata bangga, kutuk lagi ada…
benda mudah pun x tahu nak pikir… kenapa proton susah nak keluar di takuk lama? ini kerana org kita tidak support barangan buatan sendiri.. biasalah kalo proton dpt jual byk keta, mesti ada untung utk R&D seterusnya… kalo dah rugi, mana ada duit nak research… nak develop pun kena pakai duit yg byk… kenapa toyota maju? sebab keta dia laku kat worldwide… duit ada byk, so dptlah buat R&D utk teknologi baru… masa lalu mungkin kita kena pakai keta proton yg xder kualiti… tapi hari ini kita dpt kualiti yg org kata "berbaloi utk duit kita". Mana tahu mungkin esok kalo org kita, yakni org malaysia bagi support 100%kat proton, ROI (return of invesment) cepat… untung pun byk, tak mustahil proton dpt research teknologi baru… kenapa? sebab kita dah support dari akar umbi supaya dpt menghasilkan buah utk dinikmati oleh org kita.. ekonomi pun stabil sebab duit x byk keluar ke negara lain… daily expenses utk makanan pun murah… utk siapa? utk kita dah basher2 semua….YAKNI ORG MALAYSIA!! pikir da…
Cheer?? :)
S + EXORA + L = ………..
[quote comment="215461"]yea, wait until exora launching then test it properly… wanna test the crash rating? try to hit a tree within 64kph pf speed with that test drive unit… after that, come again here and give some comment.. if u still ok then, ok la mpv tu :) … if u badly injury then u can bash like there is no tommorow for u…. byk cakap.. inilah… itulah… jgn kata bangga, kutuk lagi ada…
benda mudah pun x tahu nak pikir… kenapa proton susah nak keluar di takuk lama? ini kerana org kita tidak support barangan buatan sendiri.. biasalah kalo proton dpt jual byk keta, mesti ada untung utk R&D seterusnya… kalo dah rugi, mana ada duit nak research… nak develop pun kena pakai duit yg byk… kenapa toyota maju? sebab keta dia laku kat worldwide… duit ada byk, so dptlah buat R&D utk teknologi baru… masa lalu mungkin kita kena pakai keta proton yg xder kualiti… tapi hari ini kita dpt kualiti yg org kata "berbaloi utk duit kita". Mana tahu mungkin esok kalo org kita, yakni org malaysia bagi support 100%kat proton, ROI (return of invesment) cepat… untung pun byk, tak mustahil proton dpt research teknologi baru… kenapa? sebab kita dah support dari akar umbi supaya dpt menghasilkan buah utk dinikmati oleh org kita.. ekonomi pun stabil sebab duit x byk keluar ke negara lain… daily expenses utk makanan pun murah… utk siapa? utk kita dah basher2 semua….YAKNI ORG MALAYSIA!! pikir da…
Cheer?? :)[/quote]
Put all those bashing, flaming, name calling aside. Is our product really 100% local invention/or made ? Campro, cps, chasis, etc ? Honest answer, please ? Anyone ?
sory si-fu because somebody gets confusing between u and me due to the word "cheers". i cannot reveal who am i becoz it is not that important but u can decribe me as a person who has a passion in automotive engineering :-). to arise, it is local made with the help of other parties such as lotus and etc. every company needs to outsourced for something involve in automotive engineering such as consultation services. proton design, produce, test the product and then proton seek for consultation services to improve proton product. there are malaysian engineers in every aspect in r&d department. proton now exercise building a car from scratch. but due to other factors, sometimes proton also involve re-engineering and re-badging like during old saga and wira. the factors are such as cost and time constraint, economic of scale and etc. Now u can proudly say that proton cars are made in malaysia. Happy motoring :-)
[quote comment="215463"][quote comment="215461"]yea, wait until exora launching then test it properly… wanna test the crash rating? try to hit a tree within 64kph pf speed with that test drive unit… after that, come again here and give some comment.. if u still ok then, ok la mpv tu :) … if u badly injury then u can bash like there is no tommorow for u…. byk cakap.. inilah… itulah… jgn kata bangga, kutuk lagi ada…
benda mudah pun x tahu nak pikir… kenapa proton susah nak keluar di takuk lama? ini kerana org kita tidak support barangan buatan sendiri.. biasalah kalo proton dpt jual byk keta, mesti ada untung utk R&D seterusnya… kalo dah rugi, mana ada duit nak research… nak develop pun kena pakai duit yg byk… kenapa toyota maju? sebab keta dia laku kat worldwide… duit ada byk, so dptlah buat R&D utk teknologi baru… masa lalu mungkin kita kena pakai keta proton yg xder kualiti… tapi hari ini kita dpt kualiti yg org kata "berbaloi utk duit kita". Mana tahu mungkin esok kalo org kita, yakni org malaysia bagi support 100%kat proton, ROI (return of invesment) cepat… untung pun byk, tak mustahil proton dpt research teknologi baru… kenapa? sebab kita dah support dari akar umbi supaya dpt menghasilkan buah utk dinikmati oleh org kita.. ekonomi pun stabil sebab duit x byk keluar ke negara lain… daily expenses utk makanan pun murah… utk siapa? utk kita dah basher2 semua….YAKNI ORG MALAYSIA!! pikir da…
Cheer?? :)[/quote]
Put all those bashing, flaming, name calling aside. Is our product really 100% local invention/or made ? Campro, cps, chasis, etc ? Honest answer, please ? Anyone ?[/quote]
if our product is only 80% locally made, atleast 80% profits will stay in malaysia and only 20% RM's will flow to the others country… how about buying an 100% foreign products? 100% our RM's goes to others country right?
memang most of 80% are local made, 20% from outside. tapi penah pikir ke yang toyota, BMW, Merc & lain2 yang diaorang punya barang datang dari mana ?. 60% imported from china. Product China ada dua kualiti, satu low kualiti yang ada banyak plumbum. satu lagi gred B to A. Banyak dlm pasaran. Orang malaysia banyak tak sedar yang barangan malaysia banyak terjual kat luar negara. kualiti bagus. yg best tu siap beli lagi kat sana pastu bangga yang dia beli barangan luar negara. non sense. please le sedar sikit toyota, source R&D kat luar negara diaorang, Honda pun. X kurang gak Mitshubishi. Malaysia dah ada R&D sendiri, Lotus Proton punya yang selalunya "Big Car Company" hantar tunening. nak apa lagi dari proton. Dlm usia muda proton dah dapat tempat dalam pasaran dunia dah kira ok dah kalau nak banding "Big Car Company". Biar Exora tunjuk dia punya prestasi dulu. ni tau nak hentam saja. tah kalau suruh tune kereta sendiri mesti pengsan 6 ke 7 kali. enjin campro dah tunjuk prestasi, tapi still tak puas hati lagi. ke korang nak camni. Honda punya R&D buat body kereta, pastu msuk enjin Toyota, Mitshubishi plak tune suspension, last skali subaru tune enjin. x lupa body kit BMW M3…
Adios…
boleh tahanla mahalnye.dalam krisis ekonomi sekarang ,proton perlu menimbangkan harga yang sewajarnya ..70k mahal sangat,lagipun 1.6.citra biase 2.0 cme 70-80k shj..pertimbangkanlah,,
other thing… Kalau Proton laku banyak, pastu ada dapat pasaran luar negara… tak ke untung banyak… malaysia dapat nama baik… dah untung banyak… next model tentu dapat lagi murah sebab boleh kuar production banyak… pikir camni, ramai support beli, harga boleh turun banyak untuk model seterusnya, ramai kutuk dan x support beli, harga camtu gak. alah ayam, beras, gula naik harga pun korang beli. bising je lebih, pastu senyap. Harga sebenarnya boleh kurang kalau korang support barangan malaysia, pastu pengedar plak jangan nak pikir untung aje, pastu lepas tangan. alhamdulillah…. savvy bini aku tak ada masalah sampai sekarang. jimat minyak. bawak sedap. nak tekan laju pun yakin. bawak full loadded pun x ada masalah nak memotong.
Adios….
[quote comment="215474"][quote comment="215463"][quote comment="215461"]yea, wait until exora launching then test it properly… wanna test the crash rating? try to hit a tree within 64kph pf speed with that test drive unit… after that, come again here and give some comment.. if u still ok then, ok la mpv tu :) … if u badly injury then u can bash like there is no tommorow for u…. byk cakap.. inilah… itulah… jgn kata bangga, kutuk lagi ada…
benda mudah pun x tahu nak pikir… kenapa proton susah nak keluar di takuk lama? ini kerana org kita tidak support barangan buatan sendiri.. biasalah kalo proton dpt jual byk keta, mesti ada untung utk R&D seterusnya… kalo dah rugi, mana ada duit nak research… nak develop pun kena pakai duit yg byk… kenapa toyota maju? sebab keta dia laku kat worldwide… duit ada byk, so dptlah buat R&D utk teknologi baru… masa lalu mungkin kita kena pakai keta proton yg xder kualiti… tapi hari ini kita dpt kualiti yg org kata "berbaloi utk duit kita". Mana tahu mungkin esok kalo org kita, yakni org malaysia bagi support 100%kat proton, ROI (return of invesment) cepat… untung pun byk, tak mustahil proton dpt research teknologi baru… kenapa? sebab kita dah support dari akar umbi supaya dpt menghasilkan buah utk dinikmati oleh org kita.. ekonomi pun stabil sebab duit x byk keluar ke negara lain… daily expenses utk makanan pun murah… utk siapa? utk kita dah basher2 semua….YAKNI ORG MALAYSIA!! pikir da…
Cheer?? :)[/quote]
Put all those bashing, flaming, name calling aside. Is our product really 100% local invention/or made ? Campro, cps, chasis, etc ? Honest answer, please ? Anyone ?[/quote]
if our product is only 80% locally made, atleast 80% profits will stay in malaysia and only 20% RM's will flow to the others country… how about buying an 100% foreign products? 100% our RM's goes to others country right?[/quote]
If 80% locally made and/and source and selling it at below RM80K, do you think it is right pricing in all fairness and intent purpose of this product ? Not forgeting its preferential tax structure compares to others ? Just curious Rondo selling at RM84K plus for its base model with loads of features and global market and has to pay excise duties some more. Honest explanation ?
dah lebih 7000 orang tempah dah exora tu sampai sekarang……
X sabar nak test drive. kalau ok, aku nak jual avanza aku tu. x larat nak jaga mantain dia. keap rosak sana. kejap rosak sini. bawak laju goyang belakang.nyesal beli… bukan aku aje. abg aku nyer inova pun problem gak. + plak dia cakap takut nak bawak laju sebab sampai selekoh goyang…
Adios…
If 80% locally made and/and source and selling it at below RM80K, do you think it is right pricing in all fairness and intent purpose of this product ? Not forgeting its preferential tax structure compares to others ? Just curious Rondo selling at RM84K plus for its base model with loads of features and global market and has to pay excise duties some more. Honest explanation ?
alow kawan… u ada blajar perdagangan ke ?. talk to basic. sebelum tu model lain dah jual seluruh dunia brapa banyak ?. kualiti sebelum nie camna ?. design citarasa dunia ke ?. u kena fikir source bahan mentah tu dapat kat mana. pastu brapa banyak dikeluarkan. aksesori plak import dari mana ?. kena tau tu. Yang aku tahu Exora menggunakan hampir 90% bahan tempatan yang berkualiti yang mendapat tempat diluar negara. source aku jangan tanya kat mana aku dapat… yang tahu nanti pegi test drive dulu baru tau…. OK…
Adios..
well done Proton, looks like the response is good.
[quote comment="215533"]If 80% locally made and/and source and selling it at below RM80K, do you think it is right pricing in all fairness and intent purpose of this product ? Not forgeting its preferential tax structure compares to others ? Just curious Rondo selling at RM84K plus for its base model with loads of features and global market and has to pay excise duties some more. Honest explanation ?
alow kawan… u ada blajar perdagangan ke ?. talk to basic. sebelum tu model lain dah jual seluruh dunia brapa banyak ?. kualiti sebelum nie camna ?. design citarasa dunia ke ?. u kena fikir source bahan mentah tu dapat kat mana. pastu brapa banyak dikeluarkan. aksesori plak import dari mana ?. kena tau tu. Yang aku tahu Exora menggunakan hampir 90% bahan tempatan yang berkualiti yang mendapat tempat diluar negara. source aku jangan tanya kat mana aku dapat… yang tahu nanti pegi test drive dulu baru tau…. OK…
Adios..[/quote]
Are you saying out local source product very good quality that's why it is expensive as compare to other brand that can sell cheaper here but with 2.0cvvt engine with tiptronic gearbox ? Why talk this and that about me not knowing commerce point of view when no one interested in our cars overseas ? Honest answer please.
Ahhh funing kepala, what ever juz wait until this car come out, test drive……after that juz bash just what you want wokey!
For proton keep up ur gud work & wish the best for this little baby mpv…….Exora my sweet little baby!
to paul congrat. everytimes post about proton the commment will fly up like rocket hehe….u should proud :-D
[quote comment="215525"][quote comment="215474"][quote comment="215463"][quote comment="215461"]yea, wait until exora launching then test it properly… wanna test the crash rating? try to hit a tree within 64kph pf speed with that test drive unit… after that, come again here and give some comment.. if u still ok then, ok la mpv tu :) … if u badly injury then u can bash like there is no tommorow for u…. byk cakap.. inilah… itulah… jgn kata bangga, kutuk lagi ada…
benda mudah pun x tahu nak pikir… kenapa proton susah nak keluar di takuk lama? ini kerana org kita tidak support barangan buatan sendiri.. biasalah kalo proton dpt jual byk keta, mesti ada untung utk R&D seterusnya… kalo dah rugi, mana ada duit nak research… nak develop pun kena pakai duit yg byk… kenapa toyota maju? sebab keta dia laku kat worldwide… duit ada byk, so dptlah buat R&D utk teknologi baru… masa lalu mungkin kita kena pakai keta proton yg xder kualiti… tapi hari ini kita dpt kualiti yg org kata "berbaloi utk duit kita". Mana tahu mungkin esok kalo org kita, yakni org malaysia bagi support 100%kat proton, ROI (return of invesment) cepat… untung pun byk, tak mustahil proton dpt research teknologi baru… kenapa? sebab kita dah support dari akar umbi supaya dpt menghasilkan buah utk dinikmati oleh org kita.. ekonomi pun stabil sebab duit x byk keluar ke negara lain… daily expenses utk makanan pun murah… utk siapa? utk kita dah basher2 semua….YAKNI ORG MALAYSIA!! pikir da…
Cheer?? :)[/quote]
Put all those bashing, flaming, name calling aside. Is our product really 100% local invention/or made ? Campro, cps, chasis, etc ? Honest answer, please ? Anyone ?[/quote]
if our product is only 80% locally made, atleast 80% profits will stay in malaysia and only 20% RM's will flow to the others country… how about buying an 100% foreign products? 100% our RM's goes to others country right?[/quote]
If 80% locally made and/and source and selling it at below RM80K, do you think it is right pricing in all fairness and intent purpose of this product ? Not forgeting its preferential tax structure compares to others ? Just curious Rondo selling at RM84K plus for its base model with loads of features and global market and has to pay excise duties some more. Honest explanation ?[/quote]
rondo selling at RM84k because it's not a CBU from korea… it's assembled in malaysia by naza (if i'm not mistaken) and using our locally parts… and about it's low prices, did u know that rondo made it's debut in korea before coming in here? before naza can rebadge any Kia model, it's need to be available in korea market atleast 3-4 years… Kia already archived ROI and made a profits before naza rebadged that model and sell it in malaysia.. Naza is not doing any R&D for that model… RM84k prices in malaysia i can say it's was a 100% profits.. RM76k h-line for Exora, proton need to cover 450millions developing costs (acuan) and that not including "bahan mentah" such as sheet metal, plastic, leather, rubber etc to make a doors, dashborad, disc brakes, seats, lamp etc for every unit of their Exora… u said "Put all those bashing, flaming, name calling aside".. and now u already make a comparable…
making a comparable is a point to start a bashing… :)
what i mean that the more u sell, the low cost that u can produce. kia been support by its people country even the quality at they country as not good as you expected (did u get the pricing around the world). u know the assc for rondo came from whare. you now the quality ?.
test drive exora, and then u know it worth it or not. even RM78k for HL for me ok…
Adios…
please check kia rondo/carens price in australia or in uk, then try to convert the currency of exora h line that is around rm75000 to AUD or UKD. please compare with the h-line trim of rondo to be fair. in australia, the fulspecs is around AUD 30k, even persona fulspecs over there price about AUD18k. if make a simple calculation, h-line exora will be price around AUD25k only,meaning that it is cheaper than rondo. How many modification u can do with AUD5k to the exora. this is just an assumption, not a true currency conversion or real price…
australian rondo specs as nearly as malaysian got it.
[quote comment="215527"]dah lebih 7000 orang tempah dah exora tu sampai sekarang……
X sabar nak test drive. kalau ok, aku nak jual avanza aku tu. x larat nak jaga mantain dia. keap rosak sana. kejap rosak sini. bawak laju goyang belakang.nyesal beli… bukan aku aje. abg aku nyer inova pun problem gak. + plak dia cakap takut nak bawak laju sebab sampai selekoh goyang…
Adios…[/quote]
ko belum dgr kisah pakcik aku dgn avanza 1.3 dia… sebelum dia beli avanza, dia pakai kancil 660. Thn lepas dia gi beli avanza 1.3 sebab anak dia ramai… 1.3 utk jimat minyak kata dia… memula bangga dia dgn mpv aka van tu… hari2 gi kerja pakai tu… tapi cuma utk 2-3bulan je… lepas tu jarang pakai.. sekarang ni hari2 pakai kancil 660 utk gi kerja… aku tanya, kenapa simpan? dia cakap kuat minyak dan underpowered bila full loaded.. kalo full loaded dgn org dewasa taklah aku kisah sgt… tapi full loaded dgn anak2 dia yg paling tua pun umur 15 thn… yg paling muda kembar umur 9thn… kesemuanya 6 org anak2 dia….
i heard that, there were a test drive session for the one who has made an earlier booking. So,do share your first impression..
[quote comment="215348"]the cps allow longer gearing. and you can really feel the difference in the manual on the open road”
this a quote by engineer, in CBT
SIFU,,
please clearify this for me, it is due to the change of a final drive and 2, 3rd gear recalibration, is this translate pickup sensation on 1 2 3 and relax low rpm at 5th?- that what i presume,
sifu , this is my question, ill be glad if i found the answer, at least it appease me. im about owning this baby,
ill be glad if neo cps beside sporty, it a cruiser with relax engine, 2500 at 100 for instance,
or its different from what i expected??
thanks sifu
(sorry paul a bit off topic)[/quote]
Awak,
What happened in the Neo CPS was the 3rd and 4th gear ratio has been increased to give better accelaration and power….however the 5th gear ratio is reduced to give a relax driving and to cruise easily in the highways and better fuel economy (This is in comparison with the normal Neo). The final drive ratio is the number of 'turns' ur transmission turns to turn the wheel one revolution. So actually u can calculate roughly what ur speed will be at certain rpm if u have the final drive ratio, gear ratios and the tire circumference. The final drive ratio of the Neo CPS is 4.312(MT)-the normal Neo has a lower value which is 4.052 (higher the number, better accelaration but less top speed) and the tire size is 195/50 R16 so that translates to a circumference of 74.36inch. And the 5th gear the Neo CPS ratio is 0.767.
So the distance that can be travelled for one engine revolution is about 22.48 inch in 5th gear.
eqn : distance = (circumference)/ (gear ratio x final drive ratio)
So per 1000rpm, u will be travelling about 34.265 kmh/1000rpm
eqn : speed (mph) = distance(inch) x 1000rpm x 60(min/hr)
*to get in kmh convert the miles to km
So in average, to achive 100km/h, ur rpm will be arnd 2900 RPM
So in conclusion, there is always a balance between accelaration, top speed, gear ratios and final drive ratios. We need to find the perfect balance according to the characteristics of the car, so the best can be obtain.
Cheers!
masih ragu2 ttg sambutan org ramai terhdp MPV ni.just tengok dr jauh sajalah kesudahannya.
thanks a lot sifu,
i use to drive my brother satria gti its 3000 per 100, its ok to drive on normal road overtaking, picking up, although its known suffering at lower end since its using siemen, but its easily overcomed by the cc advantage,
then not for long,
on the highway if wanting to drive 120 the engine is high at 4000 0r so rpm, while other just at cruising lazy engine also at 120,
actually i do hope this neo cps at least 2800 / 100 for my long distance.
so given 2900/100 is less likely less of my wanting.,very near to 3000/100.
yeh, we cant have 6 speed, its different story not worth to discuss,
in short its a combination that have to be sorted due to the character of the car, to sort things out within 5 foward gear,
if normal neo has more relax engine at its 5th, while cps is noisyer, i would prefer normal neo gear arrangement, because if we count on accleration ,its only tenth of the second, almost not that much significant,
if i not mistaken normal neo can be pushed 6000/220, simply mean 3000/110 which is reasonable enough, for cruise,
if the satria neo cps given 2900/100 so at 3000 its only gives you 103,
103 as opposed to 110 its a lot different, per 3000,
i would very much prefer the normal neo g.box,
i order one of the cps, havent know the detail spec of the gearbox, not until you tell me, the car not even reach the Edar yet, so it makes me think again,
why? i ocassionally drive the gti (brothers) i really hate driving constant 4000 -5000, yes its fast , but others can go with less over work engine,
hoping this neo cps would overcome my interest of highe speed cruise, fantasizing that i would easily pass other fast cars in relax manner seemed very unlikely,
im a very careful on spec, before buying cars, i want a new experience, i dont want 3000/100 of the yesteryears, and now i only get 2900, that wouldnt really qualify my need,
i just wonder cps is actually 3 steped tuned, if it has simmilar g.b. as normal neo its ok i think, because it has torque advantage,
if it true 2900/100 im sorry ,well pity me. i will cancel my order, eventough i got my loan approval already, ill lost my deposit, i have to, turn to other proton model for deposit transfer, (because i will buy only proton cars)
(i think proton need to come up with more detail spec on transmission as well so that so that people like me and others make some evaluation before purchasing specific proton model ),
sifu thank you for your imformation
i have my own formula comparing existing gbox, given a normal satria neo 1.6 5mt,
– neo 1.6 basic campro 5th gear ratio x(multiply) final drive
-neo 1.6 cps 5th gear ratio x final drive,
if neo cps, product of multipication is lower then it runs at lower rev for given speed,
if neo cps product of multipication is at higher value than basic campro neo so it runs at higher rev per given speed,
if normal campro 1.6 is known for its speed per given rpm,
so the new th 1,6 cps speed can be easy calculated, using equation.
im sorry sifu ,i was too much, but i want the car ,im a fan of hatch, certain aspect which i cant,,,
I use to end my comment with cheers too. It is a word use widely by the British after ending a sentence or comment. But I am just a guy who like to read about cars.
Awak,
Since Neo CPS has better torque and BHP. Why dont you change the Tyre to be R17 or even R18? Since Si-Fu example was based on R16 tyre. More inch more distance traver per revoultion thus less rpm. :D
p/s: But you need to constantly calculating you speed since the speedo meter wont tell you the actual figure lol.
[quote comment="215688"]i have my own formula comparing existing gbox, given a normal satria neo 1.6 5mt,
– neo 1.6 basic campro 5th gear ratio x(multiply) final drive
-neo 1.6 cps
5th gear ratio x
final drive,
if neo cps, product of multipication is lower then it runs at lower rev for given speed,
if neo cps product of multipication is at higher value than basic campro neo so it runs at higher rev per given speed,
if normal campro 1.6 is known for its speed per given rpm,
so the new th 1,6 cps speed can be easy calculated, using equation.
im sorry sifu ,i was too much, but i want the car ,im a fan of hatch, certain aspect which i cant,,,[/quote]
Awak by calculation,
The normal Neo (M-Line) has these figures:
5th gear ratio : 0.804
Final Drive ratio : 4.052
Tyre circumference (195/50 R16) : 74.36 inch
so per engine rev the distance travelled is : 22.825 inch
Per 1000rpm, the speed is : 34.785 kmh
To achive 100kmh ur RPM is : 2875RPM
The exact RPM for NEO CPS in 5th gear to achive 100kmh is: 2918RPM
So i think a difference of 43RPM is not that big (u wont even notice it)….i hope u reconsider ur choice. I will suggest, u go for the NEO CPS. Trust me, its worth every single penny of urs
Btw there is a mistake in my second eqn, it shud be like this:
Speed (mph) = Distance (MILES) x 1000RPM x 60(min/hr)
*U need to change the distance from inch to mile
*To get speed in kmh convert the final value since its in mph
Cheers!
I'm not a technical person, just ordinary driver with famili. hoping that the price is affordable, service after sales is good even after number of exora increases, quality is 'certified', and it is spacious… any how thank you guys with the technical info
Sifu… does this Exora comes with glass tinting?
I read somewhere in MTM forum that it might come with tinted glass. Any comment?
Is this the Exora thread or the CPS or the Neo thread? I'm a little bit confuse here.
klu dah banyak duit beli je lah, Wish,Stream jgn nak kondem kereta tempatan. harga nak murah nak murah , power, leather seat , sendiri mau ingatlah.
nasib aku blum kawen lagi..klu tak da lama aku book.
offtopic>>
cmne crash rating exora?
[quote comment="213230"]ermm i think avanza is 1.5 and the price is 60k++..so what the different with Exore price..
i think malaysian want all proton car to be price at below rm30k kot..then with super low interest rate, with 20years repayment..[/quote]
thats true, and then, p1 just left his name and becomes a history of malaysian auto maker.
Thats simple situation about bashing local cars. Its all about "perception". Theres are pros and cons related to what happen to p1 cars problem i.e, designing and essembling matters that happen before. But, its proven today the problem is reduced. However, the perception is still goes around us infact of compairing of market price,spec and the important thing is, BRANDING. Branding is not come easily like 'makan kacang' its come by ESTABLISHING IN PERCEPTION and the perception is becomes from the efforts to fullfill of customer aspiration.Perception is give a momentum to customer to buy even that car comes in same many standard level features with local cars.
Looks good. Well done Proton.
if the price lower up to 65k for the m model ,should be acceptable,but to be frank we have to look at the exact model before we give further comment , i was thinking to change my waja to mpv ,but if the price was so high i rather go for T avanza .
i rather go for a lamborghini gallardo spyder than this proton.
even though its alot more exp.=X.
haha.
The Proton Exora exterior and interior looks wonderful for a Malaysian design MPV. However I am here to critique about the Pricing and the Quality of Proton. Proton, by comparison is similiar to KIA, Hyudai and other korean car makes( where the company motive is to earn money rather than to create a distintive reputation of the car, for example: Volvo= safety).. So Malaysian has been brain wash( especially those that are not highlky educated) that Proton is a cheap car for the Malaysian to own. For god sake, the cheapest proton car is the saga which is 31k and the normal mid range Persona is 50k.. Imagine a basic fresh graduate salary is about RM 3000 and u really need a car. So u take a loan then and of course u will charge with interest ( Unless ur rich u can pay outright.. I bet someone who has that money would but that car). So if u choose 50k persona and with the interest, you end up paying around 55k( depends on the plan u choose). In all western nations, basically most people would also earn the same as malaysia. HOWEVER, the car pricing there is different. For 50k u can get A MERCEDES BENZ BRAND NEW… So Fuck u Proton for bullying us. About the quality, U know is always down to drain. My dad own a proton iswara for 14 years now and he says is a good car than any other car. But in my heart, i can tell that he doesn't like the car at all- is because we can't afford overseas make is because the stupid gov impose high tax on these cars. AND Again i would like to say fuck u to the man behind the proton ( not our former PM). The one that manage proton..
And thats why i study and plan to migrate to Australia have good life.
Uni student
The Proton Persona exterior and interior looks wonderful for a Malaysian design car. However I am here to critique about the Pricing and the Quality of Proton. Proton, by comparison is similiar to KIA, Hyudai and other korean car makes( where the company motive is to earn money rather than to create a distintive reputation of the car, for example: Volvo= safety).. So Malaysian has been brain wash( especially those that are not highlky educated) that Proton is a cheap car for the Malaysian to own. For god sake, the cheapest proton car is the saga which is 31k and the normal mid range Persona is 50k.. Imagine a basic fresh graduate salary is about RM 3000 and u really need a car. So u take a loan then and of course u will charge with interest ( Unless ur rich u can pay outright.. I bet someone who has that money would but that car). So if u choose 50k persona and with the interest, you end up paying around 55k( depends on the plan u choose). In all western nations, basically most people would also earn the same as malaysia. HOWEVER, the car pricing there is different. For 50k u can get A MERCEDES BENZ BRAND NEW… So Fuck u Proton for bullying us. About the quality, U know is always down to drain. My dad own a proton iswara for 14 years now and he says is a good car than any other car. But in my heart, i can tell that he doesn't like the car at all- is because we can't afford overseas make is because the stupid gov impose high tax on these cars. AND Again i would like to say fuck u to the man behind the proton ( not our former PM). The one that manage proton..
And thats why i study and plan to mirgate to Australia now have good life.
so nice MPV.. harga perpatutan.. harap kualiti nye ok lah..
u can go then, u don deserve to be a malaysian.
The defect KL boy…, pls with all due respect… full hearted, smileys and even a ceremony… pls.. go to australia or uk or us or europe…. pls..
i dun think you deserve to be a malaysian…. go to where ever u wanna go… live there, get ur education there, work there….. i wish your life will be better and u can buy any car brand that u like… be it F, L, AM, M, etc….
but if somehow u find life is difficult there and you cannot get what u want… come back to malaysia… Malaysia will always welcome u back with warm heart..
To… i've live in UK before, been around europe….. but u kno what Malaysia is still the best compare to those places.. ^-^
[quote comment="226401"]The defect KL boy…, pls with all due respect… full hearted, smileys and even a ceremony… pls.. go to australia or uk or us or europe…. pls..
i dun think you deserve to be a malaysian…. go to where ever u wanna go… live there, get ur education there, work there….. i wish your life will be better and u can buy any car brand that u like… be it F, L, AM, M, etc….
but if somehow u find life is difficult there and you cannot get what u want… come back to malaysia… Malaysia will always welcome u back with warm heart..
To… i've live in UK before, been around europe….. but u kno what Malaysia is still the best compare to those places.. ^-^[/quote]
thinking,
Mind sharing with us here your overseas living experience ? Thanks, bro.
The good Car compare avanza 1.5 ….
nice designed…let give proton to show their effort…
I still remember how toyota avanza also got underpower issues caused by engine cc and quality …So when compare Exora off course will left avanza or innova out..of competition…So The quality of proton has some improvement .Need to push QA and QC department to make sure proton quality is up to standard…..I Thought Government shuld increase the custom duty to imported car..let the richer pay more n punish some people of Malysia who not pay income tax……Govrnment actually has idea to reduce excise duty for car but the stuborn people not pay income tax…to IRB that why we as Malaysian not able to buy cheapest car in the region….because the excise duty totally direct income for government fund…
To people always ask more…think before post why ur always compare local car manufactured to developed countries better ur compare third world with third world more fair……..Which countries from third world produce car or motorcycle
Shame on some arrogant Malaysians who still show their emotional against PROTON.
No body perfect except god…..
PROTON IS NATION PRIDE…Dont let your mind conquered by perception..
Overally EXORA will be the new icon to PROTON…
Protonsavvy,
Can you elaborate more on the income tax paying issue ? Who are the ppl not paying to IRB ? You have any facts for your claims ?
I'm not sure whether anyone had said this, but I think the decision to let the LCD player use FM transmitter is actually smart. Because now most hand phone have radio, so passengers can listen to the movie personally. No need to have high tech speakers with directional speakers focus to one person. So passengers who don't want to watch the movie won't be annoyed by the audio.
Saya amat menghargai kepentingan pengguna termasuk diri saya, namun apa yang kita harapkan satu produk yang betul-betul terjamin dan boleh dianggap mesra pengguna. Setiap sen yang kita keluarkan adalah wang hasil titik peluh kita sendiri. Kalau yang berhutang dengan Finance tu tiap-tiap bulan dok nak kena bayar. Jika hasil produk yang terjual tidak mencapai ISO dan mendapat kepuasan pengguna atau pembeli, ini amat mengeciwakan. Pihak pengeluar harus bertanggungjawab kepada pengguna, namun apa yang saya ingin perkatakan, tidak salah kita membuat komen tapi biarlah komen yang membina. Kalau kita asyik menghentam je produk tempatan dan apa lebihnya produk orang asing yang kita import? jelasnya setiap pengeluar ada style masing-masing untuk menarik minat pembeli untuk melariskan jualannya dan terpulanglah pada kita yang mempunyai selera yang berza-beza, jikalau kita rasa MPV buatan Malaysia ini baik dan ingin memberi sokongan, apa yang dinantikan lagi beli ajelah jika tidak tepuk dada tanya selera, duit-duti tuan dan tuan berhak untuk memilih. Tuan-tuan adalah pengguna dan pembeli yang bijaksana, justeru itu gunakanlah kebijaksanaan tuan-tuan, pilihlah diantara kaca atau pun permata.
dah ada di showroom , apa lagi tengok sendiri test,klu tak puas ati jgn beli
Entah ler,….the price emm…may not justify to Msian citizen. The price looks quit low, but interest rate….So, ++ total=Not Justify