This piece of news actually appeared on the MITI website in August this year – it reveals that Proton is currently working with South Korean company LG on Proton electric cars (not sure where Detroit Electric have gone). We’re talking about pure electric vehicles with zero emissions, driven by an electric motor powered by a battery.
According to the report, the electric drive module can be recharged from a regular household electricity socket and can go about 200km on a single charge. The report also speculates that with advancement in battery technology, future ranges can be expected in around the 600km range.
Proton has worked with LG on various projects in the past. LG CNS has worked on various areas in the Proton Savvy, Proton Saga and Proton Exora project in the past. I think we can safely say that Proton-LG projects generally produce results that can make their way into production so we can probably see the fruits of this project on our roads sometime in the future.
We currently don’t have the infrastructure to support medium to long distance electric car journeys in our country. With ranges of 200km, you can only travel within the city and back to your home at night to recharge your vehicle. For longer distances such as inter-state journeys where you have to spend your next night in a place that is not your home, it may be hard to find somewhere to charge your car.
Sure, you can plug your car into any wall socket but then there is also a question of finding somewhere to park which has a wall socket, and how do we work out how much to pay and to whom to pay for the electricity used?
So for now I think we might see hybrid Protons first, before electric Protons are sold in this country. Proton is currently working with Lotus for hybrid car development, and a few units of hybrid Proton Exora MPVs are currently on test in the UK and are due to be shipped to Malaysia for further testing within the next quarter. As for Proton electric cars, we’ve seen an electric Saga concept before.
It is good that Proton is expediting electric car development now instead of waiting for our local infrastructure to be developed. After all, EVs are already in use in countries like the UK and Proton must think like a global manufacturer which has the world as its market, not just Malaysia. And it looks like it is doing just that, with the development of these electric vehicles.
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so many parties working with hybrid/ev cars? which one will go to production?
a question….it this safe when accident?????
depends on which kind of accident you re into…but seriously of all question, accident?
Good move for Proton. At least they have direction, plan and execution effort.
wonder what is perodua's plan.
Hmm.. What if short circuit? What if the current comes through the body and "fry" the the driver? All cars in future have to be build using plastics =D
student engineer FAIL.
Now the challenge is to make the batteries small, light, efficient and longlasting.
proton cant produce a decent car with petrol, why bother batteries. some directors plan to bank in proton money into his account, R&D, bal bla bla
perodua.. sit down and wait order from big boss in japan
chew ban said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:32 am
proton cant produce a decent car with petrol, why bother batteries. some directors plan to bank in proton money into his account, R&D, bal bla bla
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Idiot. Proton don't do this you'll bash'em. The do so and still you bash. Idiot.
I think LG CNS looks like going to be the partnership with proton, since it involve alot with proton in car design..
KS said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:18 am
Hmm.. What if short circuit? What if the current comes through the body and “fry” the the driver? All cars in future have to be build using plastics =D
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bro…carbon fiber la y wan to use plastic…only bit mahal la
They can't even engineer a door handle or power windows, let alone a Hybrid or an Electric Vehicle? You must be joking.
chew ban said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:32 am
proton cant produce a decent car with petrol, why bother batteries. some directors plan to bank in proton money into his account, R&D, bal bla bla
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then y tell proton to produce EV car rite..they build we bash..don build hentam sampai mati. at least they try..fail or success only time tell..we here just support whether tax or mind…just imagine when u sent ur son to tuisyen and u know he not gud in academic u still sent to tuisyen..again fail or success only time tell..
alan said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:07 am
a question….it this safe when accident?????
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Any incident is not safe. remember, first rules is to avoid incident at first place.
savvy electric is more logical interm of lighter weight of the savvy cars,
if things to be for real, savvy shoul employ plastic parts like bonnet rear door or even the door panel in the interest to further saving weights. even front fenders to be plastic.
and using LEDs for energy saving for lights.
dash design should be using lots of LCD showing its ELECTRIQ,IN STYLE
special colour body for electric proton.
flush wheel cover for aerodynamic,,,
it a very interesting town compact mobil.
Brono..
pls update ur knowledge bro…
ppl are laughing at u bro..
Bruno said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:39 am
They can’t even engineer a door handle or power windows, let alone a Hybrid or an Electric Vehicle? You must be joking.
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my saga still ok..n i don jaga my saga very well..i must be joking
chew ban..
another typical ah beng japanese wannabe.. just upgrade his waja to VIOS and felt like driving ORI Japs car oredi.. pity him
if this comes into production, lets pray proton use superior vendor parts, not gov cronies vendor, else catastrophic accident will happen daily.
it is normal to se ah beng in Malaysia love Japanish … look at hongki, taiwanese..
Wow all electric car..hope its using the Hi-PA drive( hub driven electrical motors intergrated into the wheel) then it will be worth it for mother earth. And im also hoping they could use this technology for all other proton models.
The motors would be self sufficient, as its moving it will charge the internal batteries its taking power from..wow that would really solve the green house effect partially.
All the best Proton..hand in hand we malaysians support YOU through good and bad. Syabas..Proton ..a global brand ..malaysia boleh!
Bruno said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:39 am
They can’t even engineer a door handle or power windows, let alone a Hybrid or an Electric Vehicle? You must be joking.
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haiya…dah xde modal lagi. orang sudah masuk hybrid u dalam gua lagi…basher….
irfandanish said,
December 10, 2009 @ 12:07 pm
Bruno said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:39 am
They can’t even engineer a door handle or power windows, let alone a Hybrid or an Electric Vehicle? You must be joking.
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haiya…dah xde modal lagi. orang sudah masuk hybrid u dalam gua lagi…basher….
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Jangan masalah dalam gua bawak ke hybrid dah le. Tgk video RnD macam hebat tapi final product way to go. Take WAJA gate shift lever for instance. very hard to shift and sounds tek tek tek..
I dont care about the quality of the parts as long it can run on electic power and wont explode when crashed. Just have to master to art of reducing vibration.. Sick of the attitude of ' oh Biasala macam tu.. semua pun sama'
hope this will going production. They should'nt stop just start the r&d and scrap it. Must hv good future plan.
i think LG was mention form previos article to be partner
Come on guys, at least this time around I think they are trying to do it the right way by getting expertise from various specialized partners, rather than rebuild the wheel by trying to build their own batteries, which presumably, when finished, will be 10 years too late.
I presume with DE there will be no transfer of technology so it's more of a short term strategy, where they only use the car platform to put their engine in, and Proton will only get the right to distribute it in Malaysia under the Proton badge.
chew ban and bashers,
how many of you here own a company or work in a local company that produce so furking good products and able sell it all over the world? most of people here only small time businessmen or employee, local or oversea company. so please dont act like you are do damn perfect and all things u did were great that give u rights to bash others blindly.
xpham ak ble talk bout proton msti -ve comment aje…
balik2 ungkit psal power window..
elooooo bro tue cite lame la, bmula model persona probs tue da xde lagi da…
xyah la korg nk ungkit kesah lame, klu xnk xyah bli.. korg lagi suke p2 kn so go on jela.. bia duit RAKYAT MSIA tue pegi kt toyota, sonok toyota dpt control p2 hahahhahaha. nasib baik la khazanah nasional tamatkn rundingan dgn wv klu x jd cam p2… ak brani ckp sbb ak dlm bidang ni
still proud wit proton
i think most of the people who comment negatively should think of going to take some english lessons. talk about accidents… your english just like it gon ran over by some busses and lories.
If they can have 4 individual small electric motors driving each wheel then we'll get 4WD! And more storage space under the bonnet. :-)
For DE, Proton just supplies chassis. Turbo engine will coming soon with newly breed engine, Hybrid come in market after turbo…. EV is future development when EV global except… New Waja rumors hear that used Evo X platform but the design will difference (hear also will used newly breed engine)….
Actually if we don't go nuclear, electricity may become too expensive especially if EV is widely used and we all continue to have 3-8 airconds in our homes as we run out of crude oil. I think hydrogen fuel cells have longer term potential.
emm, perhap LG supply the batery, DE supply the software & hardware, Proton supply the car?
proton provide car.. LG provide EV engine….
and an claim… another product 'made-in-malaysia'..
the G thinks we all rakyat stoopid kah??
Bruno said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:39 am
They can’t even engineer a door handle or power windows, let alone a Hybrid or an Electric Vehicle? You must be joking.
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and u must be an idiot right? no matter how good the design is and when it goes to be produced by a stupid VENDOR, it will be a disaster… lagipun, cerita lama tu bro…
LG is the outsource company. this is a normal practise everywhere to cut development cost. Still Malaysian brain is in the project.
budak baru belajar said,
December 10, 2009 @ 1:07 pm
xpham ak ble talk bout proton msti -ve comment aje…
balik2 ungkit psal power window..
elooooo bro tue cite lame la, bmula model persona probs tue da xde lagi da…
xyah la korg nk ungkit kesah lame, klu xnk xyah bli.. korg lagi suke p2 kn so go on jela.. bia duit RAKYAT MSIA tue pegi kt toyota, sonok toyota dpt control p2 hahahhahaha. nasib baik la khazanah nasional tamatkn rundingan dgn wv klu x jd cam p2… ak brani ckp sbb ak dlm bidang ni
still proud wit proton
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Jadi kita terpaksa pendam perasaan dan terpaksa buat-buat senyum walaupun sebenarnya rasa geram. Bukan masalah nak tak nak beli tapi TERPAKSA kena beli! Kalau kat Brazil Golf baru RM90k+ kat sini sampai pencen pun tak merasa. Terima kasih rakan rakan di Proton. I'm forcely amazed.
JUST CLOSE PROTON LA.
Proton should spend money on re-design Savvy. Looks like old Fiat car toilet bowl shaped rear. Fix that first lah. World don't need more Pontiac Asstek, Fiat Platipus Multipla and Honda Pugly Crosstour.
If still using fugly car fitted with crap batteries by all mean call it Proton Kaput. Lucky if after 10 years the batteries scrap metal value worth more than the timbang value of the car itself.
pity proton.people always bash them.
The OEM company should be LG too.
for the everyone those skeptical and said
"LG built, proton claim". It's a normal practice today btw.
So you think that Indonesian PATI working in malaysia can claim the building they built ? because of they build it? Such a nonesense claim.
You got the money, and then your decision to make by yourself or hiring peoples. That's business!
The question is also with all the condo's appearing everywhere….. how can ppl who live in condo charge?
buat improvement pun kene bashing. tak buat pun kene bashing. heran betul la korang nie…
Proton don't waste your cash reserves on EV and R&D
Firstly you must hv the branding power then you
position yourself as a global leader.(no economist of scale where can recoup R&D cost)
Doing it all by yourself sounds selfish and thinking you can do better than other more established manufacturer is utter rubbish.
Proton engineering know-how and technology is no where
near these powerhouses.
So forming alliances & JV is the only way forward.
I donna la about proton. They tend to make the most noise (about doing this and that), but there is little action. Proton oso know for "hot-hot chicken shit".
Proton, Less talk, more (realistic) action. Not just gimmick please
good move proton..but still curious whether Malaysian will buy EV compare to conventional engine. Even if hybrid sell sub RM100k in Msia, Msian think twice to buy it. EV and hybrid still like new tech in Msia. maybe to maintain vehicle like that will be expensive and need specialist. Sometimes, i think hybrid or EV like vehicle 'pakai buang' only…dont know how much cost to replace the battery after uses >10 years.
Automotive_Critics said,
December 10, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
budak baru belajar said,
December 10, 2009 @ 1:07 pm
xpham ak ble talk bout proton msti -ve comment aje…
balik2 ungkit psal power window..
elooooo bro tue cite lame la, bmula model persona probs tue da xde lagi da…
xyah la korg nk ungkit kesah lame, klu xnk xyah bli.. korg lagi suke p2 kn so go on jela.. bia duit RAKYAT MSIA tue pegi kt toyota, sonok toyota dpt control p2 hahahhahaha. nasib baik la khazanah nasional tamatkn rundingan dgn wv klu x jd cam p2… ak brani ckp sbb ak dlm bidang ni
still proud wit proton
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Jadi kita terpaksa pendam perasaan dan terpaksa buat-buat senyum walaupun sebenarnya rasa geram. Bukan masalah nak tak nak beli tapi TERPAKSA kena beli! Kalau kat Brazil Golf baru RM90k+ kat sini sampai pencen pun tak merasa. Terima kasih rakan rakan di Proton. I’m forcely amazed.
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kalu nk merasa keje la rajin2..jgn dok komplen itu ini..
ukur la bj di badan sendiri
don't waste money on EV !
better do one that runs on palm oil / bio-diesel.
this a way forward for proton and Msia,
like always there r sceptics but give credit for this effort if it is not us giving support to our own industry representing this nation who will…
keep on the effort on embarking new ideas and fields proton and hopefuly someday all Msian can afford having cars with quality and reliabilty of 1st world nation automakers coming from our own car company…
Electric cars are still not viable in terms of cost. I think that is one major hurdle they need to address
They can’t even engineer a door handle or power windows, let alone a Hybrid or an Electric Vehicle? You must be joking.
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haiya…dah xde modal lagi. orang sudah masuk hybrid u dalam gua lagi…basher….
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Jangan masalah dalam gua bawak ke hybrid dah le. Tgk video RnD macam hebat tapi final product way to go. Take WAJA gate shift lever for instance. very hard to shift and sounds tek tek tek..
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beb,p1 is not at honda or toyota level, if u want p1 to solve all problem before go to next stage, p1 will be like a dinosour…. they do something that they need to do to survive…
its ok,,you can buy indon gea, i think they have good window
http://infoindonesia.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/mob…
Automotive_Critics said,
December 10, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
budak baru belajar said,
December 10, 2009 @ 1:07 pm
xpham ak ble talk bout proton msti -ve comment aje…
balik2 ungkit psal power window..
elooooo bro tue cite lame la, bmula model persona probs tue da xde lagi da…
xyah la korg nk ungkit kesah lame, klu xnk xyah bli.. korg lagi suke p2 kn so go on jela.. bia duit RAKYAT MSIA tue pegi kt toyota, sonok toyota dpt control p2 hahahhahaha. nasib baik la khazanah nasional tamatkn rundingan dgn wv klu x jd cam p2… ak brani ckp sbb ak dlm bidang ni
still proud wit proton
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Jadi kita terpaksa pendam perasaan dan terpaksa buat-buat senyum walaupun sebenarnya rasa geram. Bukan masalah nak tak nak beli tapi TERPAKSA kena beli! Kalau kat Brazil Golf baru RM90k+ kat sini sampai pencen pun tak merasa. Terima kasih rakan rakan di Proton. I’m forcely amazed.
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bro,plz go migrate to brazil la…
later u'll understand each country got its own problem,
ppl that god hates the most is unthankfull ppl like u la wei…
other ppl can't even afford to buy a car ;(
noCar said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:54 am
if this comes into production, lets pray proton use superior vendor parts, not gov cronies vendor, else catastrophic accident will happen daily.
mmm… want protection need to liase w cronies vendor la… heeeeheheh
Proton…
You must be kidding me…
Telling people to wait for your lousy electric car…
While other manufacturers already produce it years ago…
Play dirty tricks eh…
It's good when you're PROTECTED with people's money…
Dear forumers,
Do not be alarm by some of the comments made by the ProtonGayBoys in here, they're most likely Proton workers, vendors, cronies, salesman or just plain ignorant people at some lousy government's office living off with benefits on rakyat's hardship.
Modified their age old wiras or savvy with exhaust as big as their heads and already think can lawan BMW and Merc. Hah. They never drive cars of other brand before so these explains their 'cetek minded' mentality.
You talk about simple 'economics' and even the 'simplest engineering' on "power window failures" they wouldn't understand.
You see, there's no point arguing with ignorant people. Idiot people you still can educate, but ignorant people? Until kingdom comes still like that.
Automotive_Critics : hm………
hm………
hm………
hm………
hm………
malas la nak jawab komen hang. Bila minta constructive criticism utk tolong memajukan Proton, korg ada-ada je cakap benda merepek. Suruh gulung tikar la, suruh open market buang tax la, ni la, tu la.
Sebab tu org slalu suruh korg tutup mulut lagi baik, tapi korg cakap DIPAKSA.
lu pikir la sendiri
more nonsense from proton
say no to lead-acid battery, too heavy and bulky to have a good power/weight ratio..use Lithium-ION battery instead but they got to make Lithium-ION battery cheaper at least the cost of lead-acid battery
also, electric cars meaning no more shifting, they'll start to use no transmission or at best CVT. No more manual transmission. i like manual transmission, hopefully they'll made manual transmission emulator system to emulate the feel of a manual transmission cars on electric cars.
kenapalah bile cakap pasal tax, pasal NAP, sume blame proton. Cube lah korang pikir2kan, sebenarnya, proton xdalah di protect sangat dalam NAP, yang paling kena protect adalah Perodua, naza n Inokom.
Nak tau x pasal ape? Kalau toyota, daihatsu, peugot, Hyundai, Kia n macam2 lagi dapat dijual tanpa tax, buat apelah daihatsu, toyota, peugot, hyundai, kia n lain2 nak pening2kan kepala, nak kurangkan untung bagi kat naza, perodua n inokom jual kete mereka, baik jual sendiri, lagi banyak untung maa..yang akan tutup kalu tax xda adalah perodua, naza n inokom sebab diaorang bergantung kepada company lain, diaorang x independant. proton, masih bleh survive sebab buat kete sendiri, dan ingat, kete proton pun ada tax, so ia akan jadi lebih murah tanpa tax. so kalau exora m-line auto rega RM 59k, vios g spec rega RM62k, aku beli exora, mpv, lagi besar, atau persona h-line, RM 48k, mesti aku beli persona, lagi murah. itu anggaran kalu situasi tanpa tax berlaku, tapi perodua myvi, xdapat di jual kerana daihatsu jual sendiri, daihatsu sirion…so bye2 perodua
kalu xbleh nampak lagi sapa yang kena protect sekarang, xtaula nak cakap. memang hati dah benci ngat kat proton. walupun terang n nyata sapa kena protect, tapi blame proton lagi. pikir2kanlah wahai rakyat malaysia.
hehe banyak je sign danger electricity… takut kalo eksiden kene karen la pulak… bahaye tol…
SY0H said,
December 10, 2009 @ 9:59 pm
Dear forumers,
Do not be alarm by some of the comments made by the ProtonGayBoys in here, they’re most likely Proton workers, vendors, cronies, salesman or just plain ignorant people at some lousy government’s office living off with benefits on rakyat’s hardship.
Modified their age old wiras or savvy with exhaust as big as their heads and already think can lawan BMW and Merc. Hah. They never drive cars of other brand before so these explains their ‘cetek minded’ mentality.
You talk about simple ‘economics’ and even the ’simplest engineering’ on “power window failures” they wouldn’t understand.
You see, there’s no point arguing with ignorant people. Idiot people you still can educate, but ignorant people? Until kingdom comes still like that.
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You're talking about yourself. YOU'RE the ignorant one! Keep repeating the old problem about power windows and such when clearly Proton is striving to improve, now window problem is reduced, I hardly hear any complaints about power windows, except when ppl like you are bashing Proton.
BTW, I'm not a Proton vendor or cronies or the like. I'm driving a 2004 Honda City iDSi that's giving me so much problems. Fitting coming off, door lock motor that's not working, even after replacing it, electric mirror switch that's not working, 5 tyre changes in the last 5 years, and that's with regular alignment and balancing done, mind you, and not forgetting a jerky gearbox that keeps jerking whenever it's in reverse. All those problems, even with regular service! My Gen2 on the other hand, have no such problems, not even a power window problem. Am I ignorant?
ignorant is best ignore…
power window and door handles is manufactured by vendor not in house…
"Proton must think like a global manufacturer which has the world as its market, not just Malaysia. And it looks like it is doing just that, with the development of these electric vehicles"
paul you should be proton gm speech writer…
SY0H said,
December 10, 2009 @ 9:59 pm
Dear forumers,
Do not be alarm by some of the comments made by the ProtonGayBoys in here, they’re most likely Proton workers, vendors, cronies, salesman or just plain ignorant people at some lousy government’s office living off with benefits on rakyat’s hardship.
Modified their age old wiras or savvy with exhaust as big as their heads and already think can lawan BMW and Merc. Hah. They never drive cars of other brand before so these explains their ‘cetek minded’ mentality.
You talk about simple ‘economics’ and even the ’simplest engineering’ on “power window failures” they wouldn’t understand.
You see, there’s no point arguing with ignorant people. Idiot people you still can educate, but ignorant people? Until kingdom comes still like that.
DEAR SYOH,
fyi, I'm an engineer, I'm a businessman, and indeed, my income more than you might have in a year, i drive bmw, i drive merc, and yah, i just bought an aston martin (recon gehehe), but for me, to drive around with my wife, to the market, or KL, i'll rather drive my Proton Gen 2. you knw y? cuz i love it! i dont have any problem with it. yeah it may be true, since gen2.. or persona, there's no more windows problem. infact i have a Gen2, a Saga, and a Savvy. SAvvy?! not a looker, but the performance, i dare to challenge yaris in a head to head collision, who died first. My son, once collided the savvy with a vios. i had to pay more than 9000 for whole thing tht involved. my son's savvy, hmm… he cud pay it using his money… which is not even 5000, cuz it damaged a lil…
mat said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:23 pm
kenapalah bile cakap pasal tax, pasal NAP, sume blame proton. Cube lah korang pikir2kan, sebenarnya, proton xdalah di protect sangat dalam NAP, yang paling kena protect adalah Perodua, naza n Inokom.
Nak tau x pasal ape? Kalau toyota, daihatsu, peugot, Hyundai, Kia n macam2 lagi dapat dijual tanpa tax, buat apelah daihatsu, toyota, peugot, hyundai, kia n lain2 nak pening2kan kepala, nak kurangkan untung bagi kat naza, perodua n inokom jual kete mereka, baik jual sendiri, lagi banyak untung maa..yang akan tutup kalu tax xda adalah perodua, naza n inokom sebab diaorang bergantung kepada company lain, diaorang x independant. proton, masih bleh survive sebab buat kete sendiri, dan ingat, kete proton pun ada tax, so ia akan jadi lebih murah tanpa tax. so kalau exora m-line auto rega RM 59k, vios g spec rega RM62k, aku beli exora, mpv, lagi besar, atau persona h-line, RM 48k, mesti aku beli persona, lagi murah. itu anggaran kalu situasi tanpa tax berlaku, tapi perodua myvi, xdapat di jual kerana daihatsu jual sendiri, daihatsu sirion…so bye2 perodua
kalu xbleh nampak lagi sapa yang kena protect sekarang, xtaula nak cakap. memang hati dah benci ngat kat proton. walupun terang n nyata sapa kena protect, tapi blame proton lagi. pikir2kanlah wahai rakyat malaysia.
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Mat,
are you stupid or you were born just right before you switch on the computer?! Naza and inokom live before they assemble the cars, Hyundai and KIA! Naza was brought up using the imported cars money, not assembling the car. How the hell did Naza obtain money to build the assembly plant? From sky? the seagull drop the money to them? huh? think la mat.. dont just say…
Good luck Proton!!
LG is electrical appliances provider..
what a coincidence..
Tiadaid said,
You’re talking about yourself. YOU’RE the ignorant one! Keep repeating the old problem about power windows and such when clearly Proton is striving to improve, now window problem is reduced, I hardly hear any complaints about power windows, except when ppl like you are bashing Proton.
BTW, I’m not a Proton vendor or cronies or the like. I’m driving a 2004 Honda City iDSi that’s giving me so much problems. Fitting coming off, door lock motor that’s not working, even after replacing it, electric mirror switch that’s not working, 5 tyre changes in the last 5 years, and that’s with regular alignment and balancing done, mind you, and not forgetting a jerky gearbox that keeps jerking whenever it’s in reverse. All those problems, even with regular service! My Gen2 on the other hand, have no such problems, not even a power window problem. Am I ignorant?
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since proton so good..where are they standing in the automotive world?
no where!…even TATA more famous..face the facts…proton scks for now and will scks for a long time to come
mufasa said,
December 10, 2009 @ 6:33 pm
They can’t even engineer a door handle or power windows, let alone a Hybrid or an Electric Vehicle? You must be joking.
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haiya…dah xde modal lagi. orang sudah masuk hybrid u dalam gua lagi…basher….
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Jangan masalah dalam gua bawak ke hybrid dah le. Tgk video RnD macam hebat tapi final product way to go. Take WAJA gate shift lever for instance. very hard to shift and sounds tek tek tek..
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beb,p1 is not at honda or toyota level, if u want p1 to solve all problem before go to next stage, p1 will be like a dinosour…. they do something that they need to do to survive
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Inilah masalah Proton. Tak boleh orang nak complain melenting semacam. People don't deserved proton to be like Honda or Toyota in short time but if the car shows in showroom have hard shift lever with tek tek tek sounds how can convince customer to buy? How to survive? Tax others highly so that become beyond reach for masses? Lepas pandai kata nak beli beli tak nak beli sudah. woo sakit hati oo dengar. nobody is doing immediate measure to it. This proved that though the product is advance but the QC and service is hmm and i'm pretty sure that this problem won't fix till the car EOL.
p2 salesman like syoh and others come in full force after the launching of Alza. As they know that by giving ppl false impression on Proton then P2 will get the benefit especially to pay for the downgrading R&D exercise.
Anyway, Proton is making the right move to have the technology when the market is ready. As small time mfr Proton do not have the ability to introduce new tech, however when the market is ready then Proton should be able to put something on the market in timely manner.
It wil always be 2-3 yrs behind other mfr, but then when it enters the market ppl know of such technology and in better position to accept the product.
momo said,
December 10, 2009 @ 8:53 pm
Automotive_Critics said,
December 10, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
budak baru belajar said,
December 10, 2009 @ 1:07 pm
xpham ak ble talk bout proton msti -ve comment aje…
balik2 ungkit psal power window..
elooooo bro tue cite lame la, bmula model persona probs tue da xde lagi da…
xyah la korg nk ungkit kesah lame, klu xnk xyah bli.. korg lagi suke p2 kn so go on jela.. bia duit RAKYAT MSIA tue pegi kt toyota, sonok toyota dpt control p2 hahahhahaha. nasib baik la khazanah nasional tamatkn rundingan dgn wv klu x jd cam p2… ak brani ckp sbb ak dlm bidang ni
still proud wit proton
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Jadi kita terpaksa pendam perasaan dan terpaksa buat-buat senyum walaupun sebenarnya rasa geram. Bukan masalah nak tak nak beli tapi TERPAKSA kena beli! Kalau kat Brazil Golf baru RM90k+ kat sini sampai pencen pun tak merasa. Terima kasih rakan rakan di Proton. I’m forcely amazed.
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bro,plz go migrate to brazil la…
later u’ll understand each country got its own problem,
ppl that god hates the most is unthankfull ppl like u la wei…
other ppl can’t even afford to buy a car ;(
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You know, I couldn't even afford a Proton car. My current ride is Toyota LE 1985. My wife drives 2005 gen2 by her own expense. Somebody in Proton just say to people "nak beli beli xnak beli sudah" while they are under government protection means that most only could afford proton.This attitude shows that their mind still says whatever design or quality or technology we make the car, people must buy punya!. He should in the first be thankful to God because of G protection they still have salary paid by no choice buyers. If G make it open market now, the first to succumb is absolutely Proton and that time, those in proton will regret for not being thankful to God.
I don't mean to migrate to brazil but just compare the price. I thank to God that my LE still run well though the white smoke is appearing again for the 2nd time. Thanks.
tokmoh said,
December 10, 2009 @ 10:07 pm
Automotive_Critics : hm………
hm………
hm………
hm………
hm………
malas la nak jawab komen hang. Bila minta constructive criticism utk tolong memajukan Proton, korg ada-ada je cakap benda merepek. Suruh gulung tikar la, suruh open market buang tax la, ni la, tu la.
Sebab tu org slalu suruh korg tutup mulut lagi baik, tapi korg cakap DIPAKSA.
lu pikir la sendiri
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Just take easy. Take all criticism as constructive. I went to Proton 3S in Senawang just to take a look for waja CPS though already quite long after launching date. I found the gated shift lever is hard to shift and sounds tek tek tek. So if you Protonian, then go and check is it true or not? If true than what is remedial action for waja? Is it good input for proton? Proton need to adopt below rules while running it's business;
Rule#1: Customer is always right
Rule#2: If customer is proved wrong, refer rule#1.
So jangan nak cepat melenting. Proton kena berubah. Ayuh sama sama kita majukan product Malaysia. Thanks and salam 1 Malaysia.
ala korang ni.. bg la komen membina..
kalau permintaan korean tinggi kat electric car dan savvy leh laku kat sana why not? at least wang dari korean mengalir ke malaysia.. not mengalir ke japan.. hehe
Goodluck and congratulation proton for their good work. No harm trying in various segment in engine power source etc. And later pick up the best achievement and make the proton badge known globally.
http://infoindonesia.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/mob…
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see other country still terhegeh2 built their own car.
Automotive_Critics u should buy this one. hehehehe…
Automotive_Critics said,
December 11, 2009 @ 7:28 am
tokmoh said,
December 10, 2009 @ 10:07 pm
Automotive_Critics : hm………
hm………
hm………
hm………
hm………
malas la nak jawab komen hang. Bila minta constructive criticism utk tolong memajukan Proton, korg ada-ada je cakap benda merepek. Suruh gulung tikar la, suruh open market buang tax la, ni la, tu la.
Sebab tu org slalu suruh korg tutup mulut lagi baik, tapi korg cakap DIPAKSA.
lu pikir la sendiri
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Just take easy. Take all criticism as constructive. I went to Proton 3S in Senawang just to take a look for waja CPS though already quite long after launching date. I found the gated shift lever is hard to shift and sounds tek tek tek. So if you Protonian, then go and check is it true or not? If true than what is remedial action for waja? Is it good input for proton? Proton need to adopt below rules while running it’s business;
Rule#1: Customer is always right
Rule#2: If customer is proved wrong, refer rule#1.
So jangan nak cepat melenting. Proton kena berubah. Ayuh sama sama kita majukan product Malaysia. Thanks and salam 1 Malaysia.
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Think Customer is always right can't used in business any more; it can only used in hospitality industry. My company used "Customer always important" as our rules & guide…. Say like this, if customer want everything gadget in 100k car but just want pay the whole car with all gadget for only 24k mean u have to deliver it to customer since u implement "Customer is always right" rules… no matter how u argue with customer still u have to follow it… What I see right now is Proton implement "Customer always important" that they try their best to satisfy all proton customer coz customer are impotence even not all can get they want but at lease u get something from it. About tax, I sure proton still can survive if G reduce to 50% tax or demolish it coz proton is production industry not assembly line industry… So if G do that, the first company get effect most are Rebadge company (U all know whom is it?). Power window problem now have reduce (that what I heard from my Proton SC Mechanic). Start from Persona until current model, they just receive minor repair only for Suis button (not mechanical problem). So it has improved…..
konon said,
December 11, 2009 @ 2:56 am
since proton so good..where are they standing in the automotive world?
no where!…even TATA more famous..face the facts…proton scks for now and will scks for a long time to come
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Your mentality is the cause of all the troubles in Malaysia!
Good move from proton…by the time fossil fuel depleted from this earth, proton already develop a good and reliable electric cars.
I am a proton supporter since i am satisfied with my saga. So far for the last 2 years it doesn't give me any headache. I am proud of my saga and nothing you can do about it. I believe many many out there also have the same opinion with me
Off topic sikit, Mr Tony said Lotus Cars might take a share in the F1 team. So in the end, P1 will still ultimately shell out money for F1?
SY0H said,
December 10, 2009 @ 9:59 pm
Dear forumers,
Do not be alarm by some of the comments made by the ProtonGayBoys in here, they’re most likely Proton workers, vendors, cronies, salesman or just plain ignorant people at some lousy government’s office living off with benefits on rakyat’s hardship.
Modified their age old wiras or savvy with exhaust as big as their heads and already think can lawan BMW and Merc. Hah. They never drive cars of other brand before so these explains their ‘cetek minded’ mentality.
You talk about simple ‘economics’ and even the ’simplest engineering’ on “power window failures” they wouldn’t understand.
You see, there’s no point arguing with ignorant people. Idiot people you still can educate, but ignorant people? Until kingdom comes still like that.
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Syoh,
you know what, i agree with you..no point arguing with ignorant people and it hard to educate them as well
but i m afraid to tell you are also included in the ignorant people list!!!!
you have never driven proton latest offering i guess..that explains you 'cetek minded' mentality!! because power window failures are the thing of past..
you know why quality is an issue in Malaysian products??because there is very little quality malaysians!!especially people like you!!how do you expect thing to improve??
only in malaysia,people dont know what they want or what they need!!
when government announce subsidy cut..complain
when government protect proton..complain
when ketuanan Melayu is questioned..complain
when tax increase..complain…
i dont get it actually…if you dont like proton being protected by saying the company is not competitive and have a bad mentality under this protection..
why cant you say same thing about malaysians??subsidy is a form of protection,ketuanan melayu is a form of protection(i m not being a racist or what..just an example)…so can i conlude that malaysians being protected has the same mentality of proton???
waste_bucket said,
December 11, 2009 @ 3:25 pm
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Aggre with you. People like SYOH are example of shallow minded Malaysian with ignore all thing accept "pentingkan diri sendiri". In other hand i respect steven as migrated Malaysian that give constructive comment with diffrance view….
Body by Proton only. The rest of the stuffs are by LG.
Proton can't even designed a decent & lasting 12V power window switch.
Those boys at Proton has got a long way to go.
Better close down and stop wasting time lah.
Automotive_Critics: melenting? hohohoho, that's funny.
proton bashers comment to the point of asking proton to close shop, persuade everyone to vote opposition, calling anyone with a different opinion than them as 'gayboys', 'kiss-assers', 'ignorant' etc…
But if I only state the fact that people (including me) are tired of these kinda boring comments, and want them to STFU, I'm already considered 'melenting'?
Ok, tell me then. How is asking proton to "rompak as much from rakyat as possible, then announce bankrupt on 1st jan 2020" is considered "constructive"?
Good luck in convincing me that that criticism is considered constructive.
Am I in a country full of masochists?!?! Suruh gi experience kerja kat luar negara tak nak. Tapi duk ashik bermegah kata negara luar murah, public transport bagus etc.
Tokmoh,
totally agree with you..it is very clear that malaysians has worst that third world mentality..
cakap besar tapi secara individu tak boleh contribute untuk nation..sedih betul..
nak product with German quality,japanese reliability,italian design and malaysian price..but mentality macam orang apa entah!!
Complain pasal proton..tapi beli proton..kata Government protect..so tak mampu beli kereta lain,atau public transport tak baik!!lepas tu complain pasal Government pulak..tapi masa pilihan raya tak berani nak tukar kerajaan…kata pihak pembangkang tak kuat lagi…lepas start balik kutuk kerajaan yang mereka sendiri pilih!!macam di paksa!!
its always a cycle my fellow malaysians..if we are good citizen and a hardworking one..we will have good engineering capabilities,good work ethics,good products,good production discpline,good government and good leaders..it doesnt work other way..not from top to bottom..but bottom up!!!!
try to be a good malaysian and accept facts…proton and whatever happening in malaysia is done by malaysians…you are the root for all cause!!!
you choose your leaders,you agree to choose proton,you agree to live you life as it is!! if you feel proton or the Government not up tp your expectation..do something about it!!!dont buy a proton..work harder,save up,and buy a car that you desire, if you hate the Government,dont vote for them,influence as many as you can to not vote for the Government and choose a better leader is there is any..and you still dont like the country..migrate and dont contribute anything here anymore!!!thats all..in life if it doesnt go you way,you find you own way!!!simple..
To PEOPLE who likes to compare prices with other country… dont just compare the car prices only… Include the whole thing that you need in your life… example
1. Car price/month
2. House Price/month
3. Fuel Price/month
4. meal price/month
5. Electricity & water/month
6. Life Insurance/month
7. Taxes/month
8. Insurance/month
9. Child cost/month
10. Other cost/month…
The thing is, maybe you can afford a car cheaply, but others still make you suffer…
proton battery cause lot of pollution
autojohndoe, I agree that you have to see in totality the socio-economic implications of govt policies and practices but look at their quality and standard of living in other countries. It's still better despite higher prices in certain aspects e.g. property/fuel.
I think the reason why many here are not 'patriotic' is because of the frustration of having to pay for so many things but end up getting nothing. E.g. we pay toll, road tax, import & excise duty etc etc and are continuously asked to keep paying more through reduction of subsidies (note: I agree to that as long as we don't keep getting shafted with increasing costs and stagnant wages). We are also told the govt is building something for us at a cost of e.g. RM10m but it looks and feels like it cost only RM2m and it either breaks down or collapses after 1 year. And more money is needed to 'repair'. So we keep paying, sorry.. investing in this country but what does the govt give back in return? Where is our ROI? That's what you have to look at.
Apologies as it's a little off topic.
waste_bucket said,
December 12, 2009 @ 3:57 am
Dear waste_bucket,
Thank you for reading my comments.
My family has own:
1) Proton Saga (Iswara) back in the 90's.
2) Then, Proton Wira in the 90's too.
1) I've driven my father's Gen2: First generation Older Campro engine.
2) And, I've driven my grandpa's Proton Waja: Renault engine.
Presently both bought early this year:
3) Own a Persona Manual (for my own)
4) and a Gen2. CPS Auto (my wife's)
Tell me, who's more supportive and constructive critism than me?
I complain because I do actually care.
So what's your take on this?
mat said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:23 pm
kenapalah bile cakap pasal tax, pasal NAP, sume blame proton. Cube lah korang pikir2kan, sebenarnya, proton xdalah di protect sangat dalam NAP, yang paling kena protect adalah Perodua, naza n Inokom.
Nak tau x pasal ape? Kalau toyota, daihatsu, peugot, Hyundai, Kia n macam2 lagi dapat dijual tanpa tax, buat apelah daihatsu, toyota, peugot, hyundai, kia n lain2 nak pening2kan kepala, nak kurangkan untung bagi kat naza, perodua n inokom jual kete mereka, baik jual sendiri, lagi banyak untung maa..yang akan tutup kalu tax xda adalah perodua, naza n inokom sebab diaorang bergantung kepada company lain, diaorang x independant. proton, masih bleh survive sebab buat kete sendiri, dan ingat, kete proton pun ada tax, so ia akan jadi lebih murah tanpa tax. so kalau exora m-line auto rega RM 59k, vios g spec rega RM62k, aku beli exora, mpv, lagi besar, atau persona h-line, RM 48k, mesti aku beli persona, lagi murah. itu anggaran kalu situasi tanpa tax berlaku, tapi perodua myvi, xdapat di jual kerana daihatsu jual sendiri, daihatsu sirion…so bye2 perodua
kalu xbleh nampak lagi sapa yang kena protect sekarang, xtaula nak cakap. memang hati dah benci ngat kat proton. walupun terang n nyata sapa kena protect, tapi blame proton lagi. pikir2kanlah wahai rakyat malaysia.
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Mat,
are you stupid or you were born just right before you switch on the computer?! Naza and inokom live before they assemble the cars, Hyundai and KIA! Naza was brought up using the imported cars money, not assembling the car. How the hell did Naza obtain money to build the assembly plant? From sky? the seagull drop the money to them? huh? think la mat.. dont just say…
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DAMIAN,
are u stupid or not, if naza was brought up using IMPORTED CARS, if the OE can sell it themselves, why they need NAZA to sell their imported cars since there is no AP, AP for everyone because no tax for imported cars. Is it me or u stupid???
and then, nobody want to ask NAZA n INOKOM to assembled their cars, so double troble for them because no AP, NAZA MOTORS n INOKOM cars will be closed.
r u stupid???
Yes, i know Naza has many business, the business that we are talking about is NAZA MOTORS. Of couse I know previously naza sells imported cars n do u know, before they sell imported cars, they used to sell secondhand cars before naza start develop their business.
Their main income(whether NAZA MOTORS or INOKOM or of course PERODUA) will be jeorpardise if there is no tax(no ap)to imported cars.
NAZA and Inokom generally will survive, but not their cars business. That is why i said that u r ignorant. Proton are now less protected(not unprtotected) compare to Perodua, Naza motors n inokom cars. Proton already has their time when they rebadging and selling imported cars on behalf other companies(remember tiara, its other company project, not proton but proton had to sell it because of proton's golden era(in Malaysia) during that time by using proton's emblem to produce sales), that is the time where proton was fully protected, but now it is Naza, inokom n perodua times.
it is fine for me that naza, perodua n inokom get protected since they are still national's company, but what i really stress over here is stop saying that all the NAP things are to protect proton only n only proton bear all the blames, evethough they are really2 less protected compare to others.
dont u see my point MR DAMIAN i presume.
mat said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:23 pm
kenapalah bile cakap pasal tax, pasal NAP, sume blame proton. Cube lah korang pikir2kan, sebenarnya, proton xdalah di protect sangat dalam NAP, yang paling kena protect adalah Perodua, naza n Inokom.
Nak tau x pasal ape? Kalau toyota, daihatsu, peugot, Hyundai, Kia n macam2 lagi dapat dijual tanpa tax, buat apelah daihatsu, toyota, peugot, hyundai, kia n lain2 nak pening2kan kepala, nak kurangkan untung bagi kat naza, perodua n inokom jual kete mereka, baik jual sendiri, lagi banyak untung maa..yang akan tutup kalu tax xda adalah perodua, naza n inokom sebab diaorang bergantung kepada company lain, diaorang x independant. proton, masih bleh survive sebab buat kete sendiri, dan ingat, kete proton pun ada tax, so ia akan jadi lebih murah tanpa tax. so kalau exora m-line auto rega RM 59k, vios g spec rega RM62k, aku beli exora, mpv, lagi besar, atau persona h-line, RM 48k, mesti aku beli persona, lagi murah. itu anggaran kalu situasi tanpa tax berlaku, tapi perodua myvi, xdapat di jual kerana daihatsu jual sendiri, daihatsu sirion…so bye2 perodua
kalu xbleh nampak lagi sapa yang kena protect sekarang, xtaula nak cakap. memang hati dah benci ngat kat proton. walupun terang n nyata sapa kena protect, tapi blame proton lagi. pikir2kanlah wahai rakyat malaysia.
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Mat,
are you stupid or you were born just right before you switch on the computer?! Naza and inokom live before they assemble the cars, Hyundai and KIA! Naza was brought up using the imported cars money, not assembling the car. How the hell did Naza obtain money to build the assembly plant? From sky? the seagull drop the money to them? huh? think la mat.. dont just say…
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DAMIAN,
are u stupid or not, if naza was brought up using IMPORTED CARS, if the OE can sell it themselves, why they need NAZA to sell their imported cars since there is no AP, AP for everyone because no tax for imported cars. Is it me or u stupid???
and then, nobody want to ask NAZA n INOKOM to assembled their cars, so double troble for them because no AP, NAZA MOTORS n INOKOM cars will be closed.
r u stupid???
Yes, i know Naza has many business, the business that we are talking about is NAZA MOTORS. Of couse I know previously naza sells imported cars n do u know, before they sell imported cars, they used to sell secondhand cars before naza start develop their business.
Their main income(whether NAZA MOTORS or INOKOM or of course PERODUA) will be jeorpardise if there is no tax(no ap)to imported cars.
NAZA and Inokom generally will survive, but not their cars business. That is why i said that u r ignorant. Proton are now less protected(not unprtotected) compare to Perodua, Naza motors n inokom cars. Proton already has their time when they rebadging and selling imported cars on behalf other companies(remember tiara, its other company project, not proton but proton had to sell it because of proton's golden era(in Malaysia) during that time by using proton's emblem to produce sales), that is the time where proton was fully protected, but now it is Naza, inokom n perodua times.
it is fine for me that naza, perodua n inokom get protected since they are still national's company, but what i really stress over here is stop saying that all the NAP things are to protect proton only n only proton bear all the blames, evethough they are really2 less protected compare to others.
dont u see my point MR DAMIAN i presume…
Mazda 3 MPS said,
December 12, 2009 @ 2:06 pm
proton battery cause lot of pollution
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seriously???
any facts that can upheld ur comment?? cuz it is just a waste of space..
Beware of LG CNS, remember the savvy shaft broken issue?
Hope the managers in proton aware of this… engineers are mostly young guns… managers have to be a bit pro active…
Please do not put 100 % trust to LG CNS = Less Guarantee Continuously No Solution…
autojohndoe said,
December 12, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
To PEOPLE who likes to compare prices with other country… dont just compare the car prices only… Include the whole thing that you need in your life… example
1. Car price/month
2. House Price/month
3. Fuel Price/month
4. meal price/month
5. Electricity & water/month
6. Life Insurance/month
7. Taxes/month
8. Insurance/month
9. Child cost/month
10. Other cost/month…
The thing is, maybe you can afford a car cheaply, but others still make you suffer…
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If Car tax is down, it could help a lil for our kids education. It's huge relief actually as most spends 1/3 of monthly wages even to own Proton. At least.
tokmoh said,
December 11, 2009 @ 10:20 pm
Automotive_Critics: melenting? hohohoho, that’s funny.
proton bashers comment to the point of asking proton to close shop, persuade everyone to vote opposition, calling anyone with a different opinion than them as ‘gayboys’, ‘kiss-assers’, ‘ignorant’ etc…
But if I only state the fact that people (including me) are tired of these kinda boring comments, and want them to STFU, I’m already considered ‘melenting’?
Ok, tell me then. How is asking proton to “rompak as much from rakyat as possible, then announce bankrupt on 1st jan 2020? is considered “constructive”?
Good luck in convincing me that that criticism is considered constructive.
Am I in a country full of masochists?!?! Suruh gi experience kerja kat luar negara tak nak. Tapi duk ashik bermegah kata negara luar murah, public transport bagus etc.
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Tokmoh, do you ever think that there must be some reason that those people were saying even very harsh word to bash Proton? You think you’re tired to attend those comments but don’t you ever think that there are more tired because of “something”?
I bet they’re Proton owners with problematic cars where they don’t know how to get rid from those problems. Think to change to foreign brand but again restricted with high prices tags then no choice need to buy Proton. With the new Proton again those problem surface and haunt them all around.
If you consider above reason, you may “indirectly” take those comments as constructive and challenge to make more reliable and quality cars. This is what should be for Protonian not with old mentality “nak beli beli tak nak beli sudah” like some forummer says. With all backlog unsolved problem remain mount high, with this kind of mentality, it just tempted others to hate Proton.
For me I understand the establishment of Proton pros and cons (My wife own a cripple Gen2 ) so that I want only Proton to improve. After all, I could only afford Proton.
Tokmoh, do you get my word?
tokmoh said,
December 11, 2009 @ 10:20 pm
Automotive_Critics: melenting? hohohoho, that’s funny.
Good luck in convincing me that that criticism is considered constructive.
Am I in a country full of masochists?!?! Suruh gi experience kerja kat luar negara tak nak. Tapi duk ashik bermegah kata negara luar murah, public transport bagus etc
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Don't be so naive. In Malaysia, car price high, public transport is bad. Some Asean countries car price low, public trans is bad. again some Asean countries also car price is low, public transport is good. I think you know the country i mentioned. So which country do you actually refer? Off course Zimbabwe you can't compare with us.
if this electric car project get "green-light",
TNB can fully utilized its reserve power.
hmm..
how about Bakun Hydroelectric Dam Project..
or
semenanjung & borneo underwater power cable project? ;)
hmm..
hopefully more electricity will be earth-friendly generated :)
about electric short circuit or wateva,
there must be well-calculated power management & risk have been done by the involved parties.
if we have the tech, we can do anything.
if we rely on somebody else, that somebody will eventually go away..
alan said,
December 10, 2009 @ 11:07 am
a question….it this safe when accident?????
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U think proton engineer stupid mei!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think LG is an experience outfit. Thought they were involve in designing Daewoo and Chevrolet cars.
Paul, not sure if you've highlighted the Audi e-tron EV before. It's got 4 wheel motors so it's a quattro. Battery is good for 200+km range and does the century sprint in under 5sec. Personally I'd rather have more range and slower sprint time but this thing can be charged via a household socket.
Automotive_Critics said,
December 14, 2009 @ 11:02 am
If Car tax is down, it could help a lil for our kids education. It’s huge relief actually as most spends 1/3 of monthly wages even to own Proton. At least.
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Sorry, but i cant see the relation… lets say, the tax is gone… the car prices becomes equal (to Proton)… so, still, 1/3 of salary still go to a car…
So, whats the different with today?
Life still hard…
If prices of Protons come down, instead of paying RM800 monthly, I could possibly be paying only RM400/mth. That makes me RM400/mth richer. I could do a lot of things with an extra RM400/mth.
autojohndoe said,
December 15, 2009 @ 8:16 pm
You still don't get it?
1/3 salary to buy Proton are you kidding me?
When I could pay 1/3 salary for a better quality car of other brand?
Figure it out yourself. Don't be an ignorant.
SY0H said,
December 16, 2009 @ 2:23 am
autojohndoe said,
December 15, 2009 @ 8:16 pm
You still don’t get it?
1/3 salary to buy Proton are you kidding me?
When I could pay 1/3 salary for a better quality car of other brand?
Figure it out yourself. Don’t be an ignorant.
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Am i saying paying 1/3 to a Proton?
I am saying paying about 1/3 of salary to a car after tax is reduced to be same as Proton… as what Auto_Critics said…
Hence, your financial will be the same…
So, who ever paying 1/3 of their salary today for proton currently, will be doing the same to other brand…
If all car prices are down, including Proton, I can still buy a Proton and use less than 1/3 salary. In other words, I'll have more disposable income. If I don't care about savings and maintain car budget at 1/3 salary, I would be able to afford a better car (where previously I could only get a Proton).
People with overly bright flashing lights are still muppets though!
There could be another way to substantially increase the Proton EV range by adding a newly patented power recovery regeneration from this new regenerative suspension system by doing away with shock absorbers and springs but totally replaced by this system that can be found at this URL:-
http://www.interpatent.de/unsere_innovationen_strom_aus_der_federung_en.html