2009 Honda City 1.5 E and S launched in Malaysia!

Honda City

Honda Malaysia Sdn Bhd finally brought us the 2009 Honda City. For those that already know pretty much everything about the car thanks to this blog’s detailed coverage in the past, let’s quickly get down to what’s important, the price!

The 2009 Honda City comes in 2 variants, the Honda City 1.5S and the Honda City 1.5E. The 1.5S is the lower end variant, priced at RM84,980 OTR with insurance while the top of the line is the Honda City 1.5E priced at RM89,980 and includes full specs such as larger wheels and paddle shifters.

The City comes with a 3 year warranty and 6 months free servicing. For the full scoop on the Honda City for the Malaysian market, continue reading this story after the jump.

Honda City

The City 1.5E and the City 1.5S are both powered by the new 1.5 litre SOHC i-VTEC engine producing 120 PS at 6,600rpm and 145Nm of torque at 4,800rpm. No manual option is available. The sole transmission is a 5-speed automatic with two overdrive ratios. Strangely, the Japanese engineers at the Honda City launch claims only one overdrive gear with no specific gear ratio data available, but a quick check from the specs in other countries shows the following gear ratios for the City: 1st – 2.995, 2nd – 1.678, 3rd – 1.066, 4th – 0.760, 5th – 0551. Perhaps they have a different definition of overdrive, or they’ve re-geared it for the Malaysian market.

Anyway, if the data I obtained is correct, the City has two overdrive ratios with an additional one designed to lower engine RPM at highway for a quieter and more economical cruise. This transmission is equipped with a paddle shift feature for the 1.5 E model which allows you to swap gears using the left side paddle for downshifts and the right side paddle for upshifts.

Honda City Specs
Click to view detailed 1.5 E versus 1.5 S specs table

Unlike the previous City which differentiated the i-DSI and VTEC models on the interior via different colours, the new City has an all-black interior across the variant range. I love black dashes, and although the plastics on the interior aren’t really soft touch as expected in a B-segment car, it has a slight rough texture to it so it doesn’t really look or feel cheap until you decide to rub around the dashboard. It’s definitely better than some of its competitors (you should know what I’m referring to) so it isn’t the worst in class.

The City 1.5 S base model’s interior lacks some nice features that the 1.5 E has, such as the compartment under the rear seats (which Honda constantly suggests you put your umbrella there), 60:40 split rear seats with a reclining feature, a rear armrest with cupholder, and it only has fixed rear headrest. Both models have water repellent seats.

Honda City

Honda City
CD player slot is hidden behind flip-down panel, aux-in and USB port is located forward of gear shifter

The audio system also only has 4 speakers compared to the 1.5 E model’s 6 speakers but both variants get the new audio system which features nearly every connectivity method you’d possibly want – CD with MP3 and WMA support, USB input with iPod control support, and an aux input. The only thing you could want is Bluetooth audio streaming.

For those who have seen the nice automatic climate control system that was shown on the European Honda City, unfortunately both variants are not available here in Malaysia. We get the three-knob control design which kind of cheapens the interior.

Honda City

The meter panel is designed with a triple-gauge design and features a multi-information display that show various “vital statistics” of the car. The two most important features would be distance to empty, which shows you how many km more you can travel on the fuel remaining in your fuel tank, and real-time fuel consumption which shows you how many km you can go per litre of fuel according to your current driving style. You can use this meter to control your driving behavior as it shows you whether your current style is fuel economical or not in real time.

Interior storage includes a glovebox, a tray for small items under the handbrake, a storage area in the center armrest with a cardholder, a pocket for small items such as maybe your Touch N Go card under the air cond vent on the driver’s side, a coin pocket below that, a cup/bottleholder and a storage area in the front door pockets, a cupholder between the two front seats, a cupholder in front of the shift lever, and cupholders in the rear armrest. The boot is best in class with 506 litres of capacity.

Honda City

The exterior between the two models can easily be differentiated by the front bumper and the alloy wheels. The 1.5 S has smaller 15 inch alloy wheels with 175/65R15 tyres while the 1.5 E has larger 16 inch alloy wheels with 185/55R16 tyres. The front bumper of the 1.5 E model has fog lamps while the 1.5 S does not. The 1.5 E also gains power retractable door mirrors (though both are electronically adjustable).

I believe that one of the City’s best advantages over its competitors is the telescopic feature of the steering wheel that is available on both the Honda City models in Malaysia. This allows the driving position to be optimum for tall people. I have always had a problem with finding a comfortable driving position in the City’s competitors. I am relatively tall but what makes it worse is that most of the height is thanks to long legs. Some B-segment sedans and even one C-segment sedan won’t even allow me to push the seat far back enough for me to reach the pedals comfortably. I had no problems in the City.

The telescopic steering allowed me to pull the steering towards me until my wrist could touch the top of the steering wheel, I was taught that if I could do this, the steering wheel was near enough to me for the best steering control. In another B-segment car, I was either stretching my arm out to the maximum to hold the steering wheel, or adjusting the backrest angle to a very straight and uncomfortable angle to get close enough to the steering wheel.

Harvinder Singh Sidhu

However note that when this blog’s regular contributor Harvinder Singh got into the car, his optimum driving position found his left knee sometimes hitting the dashboard (not sure why that part juts out unnecessarily), so be sure to check for these important details like whether you fit properly into the “cockpit” when you test drive the City. A comfortable driving position will allow you to control the car properly, and avoiding accidents is always better than relying on airbags and your seatbelt to save you when accidents happen.

Coming to the safety features point, both the models are equally equipped. Both the 1.5 E and the 1.5 S has dual SRS airbags for the front passenger and driver, ABS brakes, EBD, Brake Assist, and a driver’s window that automatically stops when something is in its path while it is winding up.

Honda City

Only five colours are available, but sadly no white or red! I asked Honda why did they omit these colours as the red seems to be the new City’s flagship colour while white seems to be quite a popular choice lately, but they said according to customer surveys and the past Honda cars sales colour mix, red wasn’t very popular so they decided to leave it out. The five colours are: Deep Lapis Blue Metallic, Crystal Black Pearl, Polished Metal Metallic, Alabaster Silver Metallic, and Bold Beige Metallic.

I’ve only covered the equipment and prices of the Malaysian Honda City in this story, but there’s just so much that has gone on under the skin of the City compared to the outgoing model. For more information please read my previous detailed technical brief of the 2009 Honda City. That’s pretty much all I can cover right now, stay tuned next year for a test drive report! ;)

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After dabbling for years in the IT industry, Paul Tan initially began this site as a general blog covering various topics of personal interest. With an increasing number of readers paying rapt attention to the motoring stories, one thing led to another and the rest, as they say, is history.

 

Comments

  • ashmy (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    1st comment: Watch out Vios Dugong

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  • Xx- Ferrari -xX (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Honda City is far more better than Toyota Vios !!!!

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    • city ke vios ke persona on May 06, 2010 at 11:30 am

      i agree with u :-p

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    • junau, icha on Aug 02, 2011 at 2:25 pm

      agreed.
      honda city just a simple car but excellent. i m only 149cm height but cn drive with comfortable. dirve vios same like drive Gen2.

      So, i suggest get HONDA CITY

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  • Cooper (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Honda City far more feature than Vios. This is awesome! I think is really value for your money to but it…

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  • corolla_KE70 (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Value for money! Much more better than dugong!

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  • crazee_rascal (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Wow!!! agreed…. value for money!! dunno proton mpv or 2009 city

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  • xavier_lert (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    went to the showroom today…nice car…ok la good buy……VIOS loose this time….no more bontot jonket….its 506 ltr bonnet caps..but the engine looks like very small coz theres more rooom front n back of the engine….

    other….hmm….OK its GooD car….nice…

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  • Hil-mei (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    No red?? Sad…..

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  • tiadaid (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Is it worth the extra money to get the E version rather than the S version? It’s not like there’s a big difference like the old generation City, where you have the iDSI and the VTEC option.

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  • toyota92 (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    its better to buy the E version. More value for money.

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  • kody (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    wahlaueh…
    Nice… But …no popular white…??? look class also in white….like new white VIOS.

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  • kei9 (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    huh?

    All we see are red shots of the car before it launches. Honda is seriously off the mark. Oh well.

    Some of those colours are really not attractive especially beige.

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  • afkar (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    now the arrow hits our shores…in a stylish way. also ends the era of i-dsi engine..

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  • DtG (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    no comments? wow, normally this blog will be flooded with many fanboys and bashers whenever there is a post of such (highly anticipated launch, new car, honda n toyota in malaysia etc etc etc…) .. everyone in showroom ka? hahaha…

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  • csv (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    vios and latio both got pawned. price wise and equipment wise.

    however, i do find the lack of climate control and red/white paint rather odd.

    maybe they omitted it to fill the under 90k category, so it has a few flaws here and there, but overall, it’s a value buy.

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  • e-nabilll (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    latio stil beat it….city and vios cannot compare to latio ride quality and overall refinement….and believe me…honda reliability is NOT the best…ask any mechanic…

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  • car_craze (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    With the expected economy downturn next yeaar, i would have thought the price to be closer to the previous models. Still, it would appeal to die hard Honda fans. It would give the Vios a run for its money.

    Have you guys noticed (you can’t miss it!) the Vious pop up ever time you open this blog? That’s how worried Toyota Malaysia is!

    BTW, Paul is this new City assembled in Melaka or Thailand?

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  • indigo (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Latio is ugly…it is 1.6/1.8. I will consider it as not being the direct competitor.

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  • Bebelon (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    street will be flooded by city next year regardless bad economy condition and weaked in stock market

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  • Swift Matrix (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Nice design though I personaly feel that the interior is just soo soo only lah. Should I buy this? Hmm… I think with the selling price of almost RM90k for high spec, Its better for me to add another RM15k-RM20 to settle for Lancer, Sylphy or Civic. Sorry Altis, your are not in my list.. By the way, I tend to agree with most of you, this Arrow definitely better than Dugong.

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  • chris (Member) on Dec 18, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    OMG euro R + beemer 3 series wana be!!!Boo honda the dreamer

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  • dt (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 12:10 am

    3 years warranty and ONLY 6 MONTHS free servicing? is it just me unaware of other warranty durations or 6 months warranty is the current trend? 6 months????? hmmmm….

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  • acbc (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Tested the Honda Jazz (same engine as City) and engine feels underpowered with 5 adults in auto mode. With paddle-shift (semi-auto mode), you can compensate for the power loss.

    So, conclusion? Buy with paddle-shift options if you need a 2+1 car (normal slow driving and spirited driving).

    However, both mode doesn’t help much when climbing up a slope (esp the one leading from Honda-Mofaz to LDP).

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  • devilman88 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 12:26 am

    HONDA…..forget it……the gear…….#@#$%##@%$%@%

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  • specharisma (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 12:32 am

    hey, city got smaller butt now. OK lah.. better than the big butt 1

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  • adam123 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 12:48 am

    saw one on the road just now. exterior looks better than before. more menacing.

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  • ronnng (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 1:16 am

    front like tranformers (toy), rear like no other but ugly

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  • dato.m (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 2:30 am

    FOR THOSE BASHING VIOS. PLEASE READ THIS!!

    YOU MUST GO TO HONDA SHOWROOM TO LOOK BY URSELF COMPARE TO JUST LOOK PICTURE ON THE WEB. U WILL AGREE WUT SAID. IM ALSO EXCITED WHEN I SAW MODULO DESIGN ON THIS BLOG AND PLANNING TO BUY ONE. BUT WHEN I SAW ITSELF. ITS INDAH KABAR DR RUPA…

    THE NEW CITY IS VERY DISAPPOINTED ME. JUST GO TO SHOWROOM TODY AFTERNOON. WHEN I SIT INSIDE THE CAR I DONT FEEL ANYTHING. HUH! THATS DIFFERENT WHEN I SIT AT MY FRIENDS VIOS S VERSION. SORRY TO SAID, I DONT FEEL ANYTHING EVENTHOUGH I TRY TO IMAGINE THE CAR WAS MOVING ON THE ROAD. THE COCKPIT AND TRIPLE METER CLUSTER IS QUITE SMALL. PAUL, U WRONG IF U SAID JUST HONDA HAVE TELESCOPIC STEERING. NEW VIOS ALSO HAVE LOR. SAME FEATURES. THE STEERING DESIGN IS WEIRD..THE BACK SIT LEG SPACE IS QUITE SMALL .COMPARE TO VIOS WHERE IS MORE SPACE . AT THE BACK DONT HAVE SPEAKER AND LOOK VERY CHEAPER WITH PLASTIC. THE SPEAKER WAS BUILT IN THE LEFT/RIGHT REAR DOOR ALREADY.

    I THINK THE MOST ATTRACTIVE THIS CITY 1)THE HEADLAMP AND HOOD DESIGN. YEAH, I AGREE THE FRONT DESIGN IS BETTER THAN VIOS. BUT FOR ME, I WILL NOT CHOOSE THIS CAR BECAUSE IN TERM OF FRONT DESIGN ONLY. 2) CITY TRUNK IS VERY AMAZING. VERY BIG THAN VIOS. IM QUITE SHOCK BECAUSE U CAN FILL 2 OR 3 PERSON INSIDE THE TRUNK..LOL.

    THE REAR DESIGN ALSO SO-SO. REALLY NOT MY TYPE LOR. THIS DUGONG WITH GIGI IS NOT MY TYPE. FOR THOSE SAID THIS CAR WILL BEAT VIOS, I DONTTHINK SO. VIOS STILL THE BEST WITH THE SALUTE BODY INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. THE PRICES ALSO VERY CEKIK DARAH..

    Paul Tan says: You are wrong. Vios only has tilt steering, telescopic. Have a look yourself: http://www.toyota.com.my/hotspot.aspx?page=specs15s

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  • Wisdom (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 2:44 am

    The aircond controls can be done better.

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  • charles27 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 3:13 am

    watch out.. promo always look good. but honda always deliver poor quality car.

    *guess wat, my honda accord 3.5 is sent to service again last 2 days ago..
    cause the car right front absorber shacking whenever i brake. they have to change the disc and rotor.

    **car gear problem until now havent fixed. and nothing can be done by service centre.

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  • abtm (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 6:26 am

    where’s the white colour???

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  • hyundai (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 7:20 am

    Most of the thing in this car looks way lot better than the Vios… However, while compete against Latio, the City still lacks the space, ride quality and refinement of Latio…

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  • kington (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 7:58 am

    I’d say Honda’s reliability has suffered since DRB HICOM’s venture with Honda Japan.

    I see a lot of Hondas suffering from major mechanical defects such as the CVT gearbox, ECU wiring harnesses, suspension mountings and etc. Toyota aren’t perfect either but relatively lesser compared to Honda.

    In this egment i guess the winner is still the Latio. It drives rather well and rides superbly well over undulating surfaces.

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  • wuttaheck (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 8:27 am

    how long is the current lead time for this one?

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  • Automotive_Critics (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 9:28 am

    kington said,
    December 19, 2008 @ 7:58 am

    Agree with U. They are also very reluctant to spend on good manufacturing equipment unlike toyota. I still trust toyota rather than honda even though i don’t like those Japs. I doubt the quality level of local made Honda especially in welding and assembly aspect. Anyway, a good design’s car.

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  • figo (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 9:32 am

    1. Most of the thing in this car looks way lot better than the Vios… However, while compete against Latio, the City still lacks the space, ride quality and refinement of Latio…
    Quoted by Hundyai.
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    Have you ever owned a latio and test drove the New city? I don’t think the latio able to beat the old city in term of ride refinement even with the cVTC engine against the smooth CVT gear box. I have owned the DSI and cVTC Nissan before. Please try before give comment rather than based on your perception.

    Sometime, really piss off with these comment without test riding the car. Sale man talk!!

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  • anand (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Until now the Honda CITY still luks ugly..compared to other honda cars…the shape of its butt seriously spoilt the whole design..

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  • SY0H (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Next installment of Transformers…

    Optimus Prime has to morph into Honda City because the Semi-Truck he used to be is a fuel guzzler!

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  • w_lighter (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Looks kindda boring~ There is also no mention of suspension setups.

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  • Automotive_Critics (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 10:29 am

    figo said,
    December 19, 2008 @ 9:32 am
    [Have you ever owned a latio and test drove the New city? I don’t think the latio able to beat the old city in term of ride refinement even with the cVTC engine against the smooth CVT gear box. I have owned the DSI and cVTC Nissan before. Please try before give comment rather than based on your perception]
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    Sir, they deserved to say that because this new city no longer with CVT. It is 5 speed AT. U try to understand the fact first then you go for to test drive. Otherwise you if the salesman bluff you will still say yes. Sir, do not eyeing those Japs ass. you will get yellow.

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  • Wisdom (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 10:47 am

    dato.m said,
    December 19, 2008 @ 2:30 am

    FOR THOSE BASHING VIOS. PLEASE READ THIS!!

    YOU MUST GO TO HONDA SHOWROOM TO LOOK BY URSELF COMPARE TO JUST LOOK PICTURE ON THE WEB. U WILL AGREE WUT SAID. IM ALSO EXCITED WHEN I SAW MODULO DESIGN ON THIS BLOG AND PLANNING TO BUY ONE. BUT WHEN I SAW ITSELF. ITS INDAH KABAR DR RUPA…

    THE NEW CITY IS VERY DISAPPOINTED ME. JUST GO TO SHOWROOM TODY AFTERNOON. WHEN I SIT INSIDE THE CAR I DONT FEEL ANYTHING. HUH! THATS DIFFERENT WHEN I SIT AT MY FRIENDS VIOS S VERSION. SORRY TO SAID, I DONT FEEL ANYTHING EVENTHOUGH I TRY TO IMAGINE THE CAR WAS MOVING ON THE ROAD. THE COCKPIT AND TRIPLE METER CLUSTER IS QUITE SMALL. PAUL, U WRONG IF U SAID JUST HONDA HAVE TELESCOPIC STEERING. NEW VIOS ALSO HAVE LOR. SAME FEATURES. THE STEERING DESIGN IS WEIRD..THE BACK SIT LEG SPACE IS QUITE SMALL .COMPARE TO VIOS WHERE IS MORE SPACE . AT THE BACK DONT HAVE SPEAKER AND LOOK VERY CHEAPER WITH PLASTIC. THE SPEAKER WAS BUILT IN THE LEFT/RIGHT REAR DOOR ALREADY.

    I THINK THE MOST ATTRACTIVE THIS CITY 1)THE HEADLAMP AND HOOD DESIGN. YEAH, I AGREE THE FRONT DESIGN IS BETTER THAN VIOS. BUT FOR ME, I WILL NOT CHOOSE THIS CAR BECAUSE IN TERM OF FRONT DESIGN ONLY. 2) CITY TRUNK IS VERY AMAZING. VERY BIG THAN VIOS. IM QUITE SHOCK BECAUSE U CAN FILL 2 OR 3 PERSON INSIDE THE TRUNK..LOL.

    THE REAR DESIGN ALSO SO-SO. REALLY NOT MY TYPE LOR. THIS DUGONG WITH GIGI IS NOT MY TYPE. FOR THOSE SAID THIS CAR WILL BEAT VIOS, I DONTTHINK SO. VIOS STILL THE BEST WITH THE SALUTE BODY INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. THE PRICES ALSO VERY CEKIK DARAH..
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    Im not that excited to the new City but you sounds like a desperate Toyota salesman. Sit and doesn’t feel anything? WTH is that?

    I’ve saw the car, observe the interior, and its slightly if not much better than Vios. At least the meter cluster still in front of the driver and looks ok.

    Compare to Vios, center meter cluster with so-called ‘better visibility’ was a nice lie. Toyota actually wanna save cost, so they dont have to invest making dashboard moulds for right-hand and left-hand drive market. They just turn the meter cluster accordingly. Remember kancil?

    There’s a lot more untold story behind the two rivalry. For readers here, test drive both and do your own judgment. For salesman, please, at least make a sensible comment to attract buyers, unlike desperate dato’ here.

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  • CFA28 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:00 am

    the specs for Latio is lower, giving you drum brakes. Power is also less, 1.6L giving 109 PS only. Can’t comment about interior or ride quality though. Looks are subjectivem however, for the kind of price, the Latio really looks very ugly.

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  • Mavmanuel (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:00 am

    For the extra 5k, i’m pretty sure it is well worth the money; look at what u r getting:-
    1) 16 inch rims
    2) paddle shifters
    3) auto fold side mirrors
    4) reclining rear seats

    as for the 80k 90k price range not sure, though matter what we are still paying 50% more for foreign cars with our tax.

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  • layman (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Take this over Vios anytime, Don’t know why Vios is just ….Ah Pek.

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  • food_fan (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:10 am

    I believe in-term of specs, City did offer much better compared to Vios, my advice get a test drive before you put your money on it… Believe me, riding in Vios would be much-much better than Vios..

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  • paulwee (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:15 am

    My Opinion: After reading the comments of the Vios, City and Latio, I’ve come to the conclusion that the entire B-Segment of cars are generally a Segment of Compromises. Yes, all 3 manufacturer are competing furiously to up each other’s ante, but they are essentially measured by profitability. So naturally, you’ll find cost/design compromises in the Vios, City and Latio, much more than the Altis, Civic and Sylphy. SO, the choice you make should be based on which compromise (Price, Design, Utility) that least affect your general well-being.

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  • king (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:17 am

    riding in most cars also better than vios la

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  • abtm (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:21 am

    i think the only thing that might put ppl off is the price, $85k for an entry Honda you’ve got to be shittin me

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  • index7 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:24 am

    I just test drived the car yesterday. A few observations:

    1. Handling was pretty Ok only in my book.
    2. Acceleration was not good going up hills. And there was only me and the SA inside the car. I shudder to think about a full family.
    3. The tilting back seats is a nice little feature – although I wished it could tilt back more.
    4. The Modulo kit is so so only. Don’t go for it. For Rm 4.7K upgrade it’s a bit disappointing.
    5. Seats are pretty comfortable.
    6. The finishing on the door arm rest is not good. Can see dirt will get trapped there easily.
    7. I don’t know why you need some many cupholders. there are at least 7 cupholders in the car. This is touted as an additional specs in the E series.
    8. Lastly if you like the car – buy the higher spec. The 16 inch wheel & paddle shift will be worth that price alone. The rest of the specs upgrade wwe can live without.

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  • CFA28 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:32 am

    the same goes for vios my fren, also have to pay RM80+K, compare full specs to full specs and same for Lation.

    For Latio, you get drum brakes. For vios u get a 4-speed Auto and old engine. Hence unless Toyota launches new engine / transmission, City wins.

    But don’t get me wrong, its still overpriced due to our tax structure and Proton.

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    • zigurat on Mar 31, 2011 at 11:04 pm

      of course..coz government AP tax charges for 200%…thats y foreign car going shitting fuckin high price…if AFTA be rejected,sure nobody want to buy proton car coz the originally like honda if u buy accord in japan in RM just only 38k,but if goverment put 50% maybe in 76k price in malaysia..but with 200% sure la honda like civie or accord being price over than 90k higher with 2.0 engine capacity…also high roadtax and insurance also want to paid for…we should destroy this discrimination…destroy the barisan nasional..give another people to chance for manage malaysia

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  • DRC (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Specs is not equal to reliability/durability. Let say there is a car with 4 disc brakes, paddle shift, wheelbase >2600mm, leather seats, 6 airbags/ABS/EBD/BA, electrical retractable side mirrors, auto aircon, telescopic steering, 6 disc exchanger etc ON PAPER and sold at RM90,000, I may still not buy it if it is from certain brands. You may find all these equipments or gadgets become your headaches only, if after one year the power windows ‘jam’, the paddle shift wouldn’t work, the ABS lights continously on, the side mirrors retracted and cannot be open and the telescopic steering got kokkokke sounds. If a technician shows me 10 recognised certificates but his is not caring towards my car, I will not send my car to him. You know now why Toyota is the top seller in our country despite the empty boxes and ugly cars.

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  • trimmtrabb (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:44 am

    RM89,980 hmm….made in melaka.
    I think I will consider the SX4 which is CBU made in Japan and IMO with better ergonomics, or top up a little to settle for a CBU Swift Sport, or perhaps Elantra 2.0 :)

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  • CFA28 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:50 am

    yes i agree, hence that why I only used engine, transmission and brakes as example of specs and not the other nonsense accessories that Proton or even Kah Motor used to be selling.

    Toyota, Honda and Nissan will have its legion of loyal fans here. Let me say that I am a fan of neither and currently do not even drive a jap car. To me, its all about the value for money that u get.

    Toyota took a lot of flak for using the same engine, transmission and even suspension setup for the old Vios / Altis and carried it through to the current Vios / Altis. No doubt the Vios is still selling well but do you think if they maintained the price at RM88K, it would still sell so well.

    I do believe that Toyota knows that many ppl are unhappy with them and hence to reach to a wider market segment, started to take out various accessories and package it accordingly, hence the Junior version which is selling like hot cakes. Finally, to many ppl who could only afford a Waja previously, they can afford the peace of mind that comes with a Toyota.

    Do you think that Toyota still think that they can use the same engine / transmission again for the next generation of Vios / Altis. We will have to wait and see.

    All buyers will have complains about their cars, be it a Proton or a Toyota or Honda. Time and a bit of patience is needed to rectify the defects and perhaps a bit of running to different SC is needed. Anyway, I am sure from the Moto Trader forum, you can also read abt ppl unhappy with their Toyota.

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  • binarumah.com (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:51 am

    well…IMO the exterior design is much better that previous city..

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  • CFA28 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:52 am

    yes, elantra is a good alternative together with Suzuki SX4. The only concern is spare parts for the Suzuki.

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  • Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    the exterior is nice but i hope the interior was nicer. oh well, for a car this price, its good enough u can get something right.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    CFA28 said,
    December 19, 2008 @ 11:32 am

    But don’t get me wrong, its still overpriced due to our tax structure and Proton.

    ——————–

    its only overpriced if you cant afford it. that statement i made isn’t about being arrogant. end of the day, these cars are targetted at a certain market and target audience by honda. They also know these people they target, can afford the car. The price is also what Honda believes is right for their brand and image. if honda wanted to, they could easily make a vios j challenger.. strip down the accessories, run steel rims, slightly cheaper fabrics and sponge for the seat, run the old i-dsi engine in the car…etc. etc. and sell it for RM70k. but that probably doesnt fit their strategy and image, so they wont do it.

    the funny thing about toyota i cant understand is, if they are so confident with their product, why do they still do aggresive discounting(few months after launch), and low price models..etc.

    personally as a consumer, i’m more inclined toward honda, as a brand, without even looking at the cars because of the way they market their cars.

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  • CFA28 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    banyak masuk workshop, I agree with your statement. The pricing difference for Vios (Auto to Auto) is crazy, RM15K difference. Might as well launch a new model.

    My Nirvana is the day all cars are sold at market price, without artifical tarrifs / taxes. If the car is worth RM90K, sell it for RM90K but if its only worth RM70K, it should be sold at RM70K.

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  • madmarzio (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    my opinion:
    looks better than vios. to whom who state its a value for money, consider again. tax structure and proton yes, one factor.. honda, nissan (malaysia) makes money more than manufacturer itself in term of roi. the major factor affected the retail price is the price set by the local distributor. the price should be less than 75k for e model. sorry, for me its not worth..

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  • garyngkt (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Some comments from a current City owner after viewing and testing :-
    1) Interior feels a bit plasticky.
    2) No more CVT means can feel gear shift.
    3) i-vtec engine takes a while to push but once it gets going you can feel the power.
    4) Handling is better and feels more stable.
    5) Drive feel is good and unique going beyond this segment’s range of cars.
    6) Don’t really like the back part of the car.
    7) Dashboard design like very flat and can be more interesting.

    Overall I like it esp the drive feel.

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  • giannyong (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Well, the car is pretty nice and elegant. The price is rather high . No Manual Trasmission is available in M’sia while S’pore and Thailand have the choice of Auto or Manual. Why ? The price can be cut further by at least 5k ! And fuel consumption of petrol should be better and cheaper to maintance. Well, J- model Vios seems to answer that. RM 69,000.OO Plus give free Rm 2000. petrol coupon etc. RM85000-67000= Rm 18000 save quite a lot. Safely can say save Rm15000. Same 1.5 cc New Car

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  • CFA28 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    you have to compare like-to-like, cannot compare Vios J to City S. You must compare Vios G-RM85K to City S-RM85K. Both have similar specs.

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  • Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    BanyakMasukWorkshop said,

    December 19, 2008 @ 12:54 pm

    CFA28 said,
    December 19, 2008 @ 11:32 am

    But don’t get me wrong, its still overpriced due to our tax structure and Proton.

    ——————–

    its only overpriced if you cant afford it. that statement i made isn’t about being arrogant. end of the day, these cars are targetted at a certain market and target audience by honda. They also know these people they target, can afford the car. The price is also what Honda believes is right for their brand and image. if honda wanted to, they could easily make a vios j challenger.. strip down the accessories, run steel rims, slightly cheaper fabrics and sponge for the seat, run the old i-dsi engine in the car…etc. etc. and sell it for RM70k. but that probably doesnt fit their strategy and image, so they wont do it.

    the funny thing about toyota i cant understand is, if they are so confident with their product, why do they still do aggresive discounting(few months after launch), and low price models..etc.

    personally as a consumer, i’m more inclined toward honda, as a brand, without even looking at the cars because of the way they market their cars.-
    ————————————
    seriously though the toyota vios j looks the best(the rims). and you can bullshit people that it is toyota vios J(Japan) version. Honda also has better service than toyota. toyota always use secondhand parts to replace ur car parts.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Guys, this is my humble but honest opinion. When the first generation City was launched, i was all hands up to get one. I even saw it in the showrooms and was quite impressed. But then soon after i saw it on the road and decided on the spot that i would stick with my Wira.

    I ended up buying the 1st generation Vios in 2003 after test driving it 7 times in different showrooms in different states to get different driving conditions. Till this day, i have no complaints about the Vios. I have not changed a single major part in the car. Only basic items like tyres, brake pads & wiper blades. The fuel economy is amazing. I can easily get 570-590km in urban driving while a drive to KL from Penang only consumes slightly less than half tank (18L) driving at 120-130kmph. After driving it for 5.5 yrs and 95K km, ive yet to hear even a squeek or rattle from the car even on rough roads even with the so called cheap plastics. Now thats wht i call Toyota quality in action.

    I wouldnt say the interior is all that great compared to other cars but then again the Vios is something like a ‘performance’ car targetted at young buyers. How many cars in the 1.5L section have a 0-100kmph acceleration speed of 9.8 secs/ (of course i know this was done in ideal conditions).

    My wife has a Honda City 2007 model and so ive had many hours drive time in that as well. I still think the Vios drivebility still ranks higher than a City. The City already has its fair share of squeeks and rattles despite being about 1 yr old only. Plus the after sales service of Honda is still way below Toyota standards. Ive sent both cars for servicing many times so believe me when i say Honda has a long way to go to catch up with Toyota.

    Most ppl here who post comments will naturally support the car they own n drive. Rarely will they say they have a crap car because of 2 reasons:
    1) They have only driven that car and not the other one in comparison
    2) Nobody will admit they’ve wasted money

    My wife now says that the Vios is a better car in general compared to the Vios despite the fact she paid more for the City than what i paid for the Vios. Of course the City has its advantages. I wont deny that.

    But my main point is, go see the new City on the road before u make comparisons about it looking better than the Vios. I too am disappointed with the design of the new Vios. But the new City is poor at the back. The car is not balanced. Ive seen it on the road and it looks like something took a bite out of the rear. Surely doesnt match the overall outlook.

    Specs wise i think its better than the Vios but sometimes u can even have BMW specs but once it looks funny, specs and all go down the drain.

    I am a Toyota man but i also think other cars like Honda are good as well. But its up to the individual to ultimately make the decision. I think the Civic is better than the Altis so there u have it, a humble and honest opinion. The new City will give the Vios a run for its money but no way will it beat the Vios in terms of overall sales. There must be a reason why there are 2.5X more Vios on the roads compared to the City.

    Cheers!

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  • Aaron Ch'ng You Liang (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    I think the S version is more high version than the Vios J Version, right? everyone

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  • doraemonkiller (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    the price will be around 60k rite if open market next year

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  • doraemonkiller (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    no more income tax rite next year?

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  • kickas5car (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    i really like this toyota city. but i think the honda vios is slightly cheaper. what should i do? should i comment more although i don’t think i will buy a car anytime soon as i already own a perodua saga.

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  • Prem3377 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    i manage to test drive this car..but i was abit disappointed..

    1.quality i dont want to comment..but i still can say its only better than a proton(persona),only slightly better

    2.the vtec doesnt feel as sporty as the previous city(i still dont get it,how is it possible??)

    3.design is superb..way much better than on pictures.

    4.ride and handling..ok la..but can do better since civic and accord has improved so much in this area..

    5.price i was expecting it to be higher but i was told it will go up higher after a few mths..this price is only to boost intial sales volume(salesman told me..so how true i dont know)

    6.will i buy it??i dont think so..i rather wait..who know if proton lancer version might around rm 70 k or what..it will be a better buy…

    p/s proton if you can have a cps persona with the SE persona pricing and better audio system..you can make people think twice between honda city or toyota vios,…i would..

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  • aenz81 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    I will buy Persona IAFM (med-line) for RM49k + new Saga Full-spec (A) for RM39k (new prices).. both of the cars will costs me only RM89K rather than this car for a Full-Spec prices of RM89k… value for my money and i will get 2 cars for 2 different driving exprinces… :D

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  • maserati (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    I just test drove this car just now..First things first,the ride was terrible.Compared to Vios,City loses badly.The ride was bad from the start.

    The interior air con cluster and radio dash area does not blend well with the interior.Looks odd with all those square buttons.

    And the engine does not feel as powerful as the Honda Jazz engine even though they are claiming its the same engine.

    Another bad thing about the car is the transmission.At first i thought it would be smooth but the transmission was worse compared to the last city which was really smooth.

    And the car is really really small.Once the driver adjust his seats correctly,the back ppl have a tight squeeze behind.Maybe due to the large boot.

    One more thing that surprise me is the overall quality! I would rate it as slightly better than Proton but not anything more.It was hard plastics all around.The stick to engage the signal lights look very cheap.Perodua and Proton ones look better.

    Yes,the looks look menacing but overall as a driver’s car ,it disappoints badly in terms of ride quality,handling and transmission.

    I am not a Vios fan but i have to say that Vios ride quality is so much better than Honda.Honda’s only strong point is its looks and engine.

    City affect Vios sales,maybe..but will only be a tiny bit.Vios is a overall car,City is using looks and attraction to the younger generation to sell.

    At almost 90k,I would seriously consider the Mitsu Lancer 2.0 .

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  • painsama (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    The aircond dials made me think that this car is kind of cheap. Too bad.

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  • torque (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    cybermaster98 said,
    December 19, 2008 @ 4:03 pm

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Clap, clap, clap, clap…that’s one very very good comments I read on this post! Reason…is well point out and the FACTS are darn right!! How do I know what you said is true? That’s because I help my mom purchasing a 2007 Vios (hell no I’m letting my mom drive the dugong…the old one lah) and I’m currently driving and taking care for my brother in law his 2006 City I-DSI. Guys, listen to him especially on the fuel consumption facts!! I too have driven the Vios and one time I do a CRAZY stunt driving to KLIA from Bukit Jelutong with the Vios with 2 bar left before its gonna empty. Still made it wan! Performance and fuel economy…I’ll put my money on the Vios! Features, tech specs, space and good design ( meter cluster, front fascia or what ever)…I’ll go for City and this new City…I already go to the showroom and see it up close. My verdict is…it may lack the performance to cope with the Vios but it sure hell worth all your money buying it!

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  • torque (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Forget one more thing…Vios ride quality is really good, seriously!! You all should try it (those who never tried)!!

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  • db8 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    for me,different people have different taste and different opinion..if u think a vios suits your taste,go for a vios.if its the city,go for it..no need to say the other is bad or something..if a car really bad,no one will ever buy it.no car is bad because no car is perfect..

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    • khaty on May 07, 2010 at 9:19 pm

      erm..i totally agree with you. it depends on your taste..and no acr is perfect

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  • Hil-mei (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    To me the VIOS lacks in the Transmission department. 4AT, compared to City’s 5AT, but the Vios I’ve ridden is good. Got power even fully laden with 4 ppl n stuffs. So, it’s the looks, quality and after sales service that really is the defining factor.

    And whats wrong with the previous generation City’s CVT??. Why change that?? Still don’t understand.

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  • ckcheong (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Both Vios and City has its own strong point and weak points. I definitely agreed. After sales service vice, Honda has a lot of catching up to do. The previous generation of City sales volume loss to Vios approx 2X.

    With the launch of this new City, really excited to see how the sales figures goes between this two rivals.

    There is nothing wrong with the CVT. According to Honda sales personnel, the preference in the market is for a powerful accelerating car. You won’t get this kind of power feel from a CVT. So the new i-vtec engine with 5 speed gear box will deliver power when you floor the accelerator.

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  • David9988 (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Out of all the cars i have,
    Honda accord 1999-2008
    Toyota vios 2003-2008
    Perodua viva 2007-2008 (new)
    M benz C class 2008 (new)

    There was one that never gave a single problem.
    Yes, its the Toyota. nuf said.

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  • whiteeye (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    This is too much for the both version of HONDA CITY price at RM 89,980 to RM 84,980 as for Thailand it just cost from RM 64,400 to RM 69,400. OMG Malaysia sure a second most high country tax after Singapore. RM20,580 different where does the tax go to, must be bloody BN like mosquitoes ! Suck the nation until dry c when we use our 2 hand two slap it, do anyone know wat’s the price before tax?

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    • zigurat on Mar 31, 2011 at 11:29 pm

      if u want to know its easy if type s the price is 84,980x(100%) / (AP tax200%) = Price before 200% AP tax (RM42,490) :)

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  • raverz (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    JUST TEST DROVE IT!!!

    the car looks AWESOME….BUT the power is LACKING considerably….
    wanted to buy it but the moment i reversed it outta the showroom and moved it into Drive, it was a TOTAL LETDOWN!!!!

    MY 20 YR OLD PROTON SAGA 1.3 is MORE POWERFUL…….really sad and dunno what else to buy now……

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  • Wisdom (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Some might felt the lack of power due to the new engine. Anybody ever driven/owned new cars should’ve familiarize with this behavior.

    The optimum power output usually achieved after 5k to 10k kms. The times when you felt your car was getting lighter.

    And for some… the cheap feeling might be due to the high expectation to the new City. The first sighting of this City spyshots starts early this year and some might have dreaming the car all this while. But i agree that the interior plastic is not far off of a Persona or Gen2 CPS while new Vios was worst due to center meter cluster (bare plastic in front of the driver).

    And from first edition of Vios and City, we should’ve knew that Vios RIDES better but City HANDLES better (especially the first edition City Vtec) due to their suspension setup. I believe they still apply this characteristic on both. Drive them on bad roads, Vios felt more comfortable. Try run a Vios and a City at 160kmh, City felt better while Vios driver have to hold the steering with both hands and concentrate more on the road.

    Its all about preference. Still, the perfect balance for the Ride & Handling still goes to Gen2CPS & Persona if not the swift (for cars mere 80k and below).

    Choose wisely. We are in the midst of economical downturn.

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  • car_craze (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    I have yet to test drive the new City but i have driven the Vios Dugong when it was first launched. The Vios have very poor interior sound insulation – ‘like old Nissan Sunny’ commented my wife, who sat at the back. My wife who initially wanted to book the car changed her mind after the test drive.
    Let’s see if the new Honda City can impress us.

    I have to admit though, Toyota’s after sales service is excellent.

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  • Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. (Member) on Dec 19, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    use a bicycle. its pollution free, corruption free(bicycle no ap right) and cheap

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  • ronnng (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 12:04 am

    CITY for those who need “CIO” (hokkien) or “YAO YENG” (cantonese) MOSTLY…
    MOSTLY i said may be u r not

    VIOS for those who need long life driving, durable & lasting

    if not compare on the spec both car hav

    m i rite? any supporter hr?

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  • ronnng (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 12:10 am

    and i oso agree wat Wisdom said

    Wisdom…Wisdom…owesome

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 12:41 am

    That bad meh? 10 ppl here 9 ppl said bad abt city? can you guys list down what car you own before comment. So we can judge what you said.

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  • king (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 2:17 am

    actually the new city is a good car and relatively very good value for money…but there are lots of people that couldn’t wait so they bought the dugong vios and are now trying to con themselves that dugong is a better car. typical kiasu attitude…

    count how many dugongs are on the road n u will get how many bad comments about the new city from these ppl without actually testing the car.

    Conclusion: use your wisdom to spot fake stories and you’ll see that the more bad/envious comments actually goes to show how badly the city gave the dugong vios thrashing in every single category, from looks to space to refinement (engine n gearbox), equipment and safety. Every possible category. Why safety? cos vios dugong body is so light and soft- so similar to new saga.

    About vios reliability its totally overrated…..who said got no rattling noise? what a liar!!! new dugong only how many years? old vios did rattle…not too loud though. whats more i get deaf from the wind noise when travelling above 120kmh in vios. very poor sound insulation.

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  • king (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 2:24 am

    my friend is doing the same thing…..trying to con his colleagues that his dugong vios is superb…. better, more comfortable and reliable than merc/bimmer/lexus/honda etc…cos he wants to sell the dugong vios away to them and get a better price ( trade in prices sucks) so that he can change to new city…

    see how gullible some ppl are?

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  • dcwhz83 (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 4:32 am

    the vios dugong might have a better ride coz of softer and comfort-biased suspension… normal drivers wont care too much about handling, so toyota safely tweaked the suspension to the softer side and sacrificing some stability and handling in the process… thats why vios can sell and some even said it has better ride…

    i have tested the vios dugong and if i go inside the car with one-eye-close, its still ok for me… but the interior sound insulation really disappoints… the vios E was revved quite a bit to see the power… power is there, but to my surprise dun rev over 3k rpm… all h*lls broke loose… anyone sleeping behind would be awakened once u accelerate… it seems the exhaust noise is way too bad… and i never went near it again coz its 80k+ and ppl cant get a proper sleep at the back…

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  • raverz (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 6:58 am

    i totally agree with what maserati said @ December 19, 2008 @ 6:14 pm

    raverz: this car was a real letdown.

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  • loo (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 7:17 am

    Everyone has a different point of view in term of which is the best car. Reliability, outlook, suspension, noise level, features… bla bla… but nothing can beat Toyota in term of collision repair, …my new Vios was crushed by Lorry …. but in 24 days it will out from the busy workshop while so many cars still inside…..

    Toyota might not be moving forward… But En. B (B&P Service Advisor), you are definitely impressed me with the speed…..thank you very much……

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Wisdom said,
    December 19, 2008 @ 10:36 pm

    Some might felt the lack of power due to the new engine. Anybody ever driven/owned new cars should’ve familiarize with this behavior.

    The optimum power output usually achieved after 5k to 10k kms. The times when you felt your car was getting lighter.

    And for some… the cheap feeling might be due to the high expectation to the new City. The first sighting of this City spyshots starts early this year and some might have dreaming the car all this while. But i agree that the interior plastic is not far off of a Persona or Gen2 CPS while new Vios was worst due to center meter cluster (bare plastic in front of the driver).

    And from first edition of Vios and City, we should’ve knew that Vios RIDES better but City HANDLES better (especially the first edition City Vtec) due to their suspension setup. I believe they still apply this characteristic on both. Drive them on bad roads, Vios felt more comfortable. Try run a Vios and a City at 160kmh, City felt better while Vios driver have to hold the steering with both hands and concentrate more on the road.

    Its all about preference. Still, the perfect balance for the Ride & Handling still goes to Gen2CPS & Persona if not the swift (for cars mere 80k and below).

    Choose wisely. We are in the midst of economical downturn.
    ____________________________________________________________________

    My dear friend! U obviously have NOT driven the Vios at high speeds. I have hit 200kmph on the Vios (yes it can reach such a speed) and the car is totally stable. I did not have to hold with both hands (but i still did as a pre-emtive measure). But in no way would you know ure sitting in a car lighter than the City. The 2003 Vios handles very very well at high speeds. (and mind you this was not with a full load). The suspension and distribution of forces is probably the reason behind this stability.

    Your poor handling could be attributed to over inflated tyres but in no way is the Vios unstable. That’s a very unfair comment.

    Yes i agree that the Vios sound insulation is poor compared to the City but its not to the extent that rear passengers cant sleep. Lets be practical with our comments. 70% of the sound originates from the engine revs with maybe 30% attributed to wind, tyres and road. But then again this noise only reaches irritating levels once u hit 130kmph above but how many of us drive at that speed consistently??

    Both the Vios and the City have their advantages & disadvantages. These are 2 large Japanese companies with very different business strategies and different business models. Their profit comes from different aspects. Things that the Vios compromises on, the City may excel in but what’s important is the RESULT.

    The Vios having 2.5X better sales despite being the model launched after the City clearly proves this. But like i said earlier, the new City is way better than previous models and will surely give the Vios a run for its money. But dont expect sales to top the Vios. Everyone was very excited with the new Accord and everybody said it will beat the Camry but till this day where is the Accord in comparison?

    In short, im a Toyota man but i also drive the City (07) very often. I think both cars are good products of their respective manufacturers and i wouldnt say that anybody owning either of then has made a bad decision. But 1 thing that disappoints me (and many of you) is the Malaysian pricing structure for foreign cars. Thats what we need to unite on!

    Cheers!

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  • pheonix_comet (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 8:39 am

    Bro Paul, when are you going to test drive this new car? can’t wait for your comment on this one. ^_^

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  • sakuragi (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 9:19 am

    never been a supporter of toyota.. but sincerely feel hondas have always been inferior. in my perception, the dugong is always better than a baboon. furthermore, this segment of cars in malaysia are just selling monkeys for peanuts in the name of protecting our most prized automotive asset: PROTON.

    Jap cars are improving minute to minute but as long as the germans are still standing, it is an out-of-this-world battle to topple the throne of the best automotive country in the world.

    Sakuragi: Still prefer european brands.

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  • maserati (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 10:22 am

    As I couldnt believe that the Honda City was bad the 1st time i test drove it,i went for a second test drive at a different showroom.And it confirmed its fate.

    Transmission bad,ride quality bad,power is very disappointing.120BHP on paper may seem alot for a 1.5.But so what when i press the pedal,it doesnt feel like 120BHP at all! It felt like only 100-110 bhp only.Maybe because its a SOHC.The Jazzz engine felt so much more powerful.

    Middle aircon cluster still as ugly as ever even after 2nd viewing.Plastics are cheap all around.The rectangle square buttons are super ugly.Uglier than Proton and Perodua ones.

    And i made a NEW discovery,there is a huge gap at the arm rest at the driver door panel.Not sure whether its on purpose of manufacturing defect.But it sure looks like a defect.

    Legroom at the back is limited due to huge boot.I am not talking about fitting big ppl,i am talking about average i sized ones.

    Overall this car has been hyped up too much and it is really overrated.

    For those who booked the car before even test driving it,good luck and GBU.

    I am neither a fan of Toyota or trying to say Honda is lousy.I am just saying it based on my personal experience and facts!

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  • cincai (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 11:12 am

    i ageed with maserati, since the market is in downturn every single things we spend have to consider twice, i does not means we unble to buy but we need something value for money and not blindly follow.

    With the price of RM85,000 – RM90,000 with low quality of interior and spare part. I would said sory for honda la.

    I’m happy to heard alot of complaints from the PPL. as from there i know that Malaysian consumer are awake, there know what is value for money.

    Let the japanese automotive co to hit by poor sales then we would get more quality product with low in price sooner.

    Cheers………………….

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    120 bhp only feel when you hitting 6000 rpm right? Can’t wait to test drive on it.
    Vios J AT value for money or City S ……..

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  • dzat46 (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    seems that the new ivtec engine had most of it power & torque at the top range of its rpm….fc will suffer.

    I still prefer my current idsi, very diesel like torque at low rpm (real world power & usage), hence its excellent fc plus effortless city drivin coz i don’t see anyone will be drivin around at 4-6k rpm all day long.

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  • Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    save the money, sell ur house and buy a porsche 911

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  • erichigc (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Good comment from cybermaster98, at least a constructive one.

    The rest…..really ashamed to be Malaysians. Only know how to bash.

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  • loo (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Today I drove the new Honda City in Old Klang Road at 9am. If you see a crazy driver speeding like mad driver on a new Honda City today, that is me!….

    Anyway a bit disappointed with the power as claimed. The Vios is definitely has more output. The radiator has two fans instead of one and that is a bonus. In term of noise the engine noise is less visible than Vios (at least i dont hear the fan high speed noise like in Vios). But the plastic interior is worst than Vios.

    Bottom line, VTEC and IDSi are history and you expect to make a huge loss if you plan to sell. Too many new changes in Honda…. everything is almost new.

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  • steve@kl (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    One thing I can say after visiting the Honda showroom is that the new City 2009 is not for everyone. Guess that’s pretty proven after all the comments above for and against the car. In the end, it’s up to your oneself to decide if this car is good or not good for yourself. Vios has fantastic quality and service follow-up. Latio has great space. And this new City has something for some people who have some specific lifestyle. Ok, I am not an expert, and no, I have not owned a Vios, City, or Latio, or Suzuki previously. Like alot of us, I am baru keluar cari makan, so I have been driving a Wira for the last 8 years. Bitter sweet experience. Yes, over the last 2-3 months I have visited showrooms and test driven cars for Toyota, Nissan, Suzuki, Proton, Perodua, etc, trying to find a car that would fit me, in this economic situation, and it has just been so difficult trying to make up my mind, because each car/company has got something to offer (that’s why, they still sell cars, even Proton). Anyway, my 2 cents worth of what my personal opinion is of the new 2009 City, which, I will most probably go ahead to buy. (And this is my own personal opinion only, and everyone will have different opinions, which is fine)

    1. I like the external looks and design of the new city, looks almost like a mini Civic, very sporty, and probably would last quite a few years before it gets a bit dated.
    2. I actually like the internal design as well! It does look sleek and classy for me (that is). The silver and black, fits in well.
    3. I really like the paddle shifters, and test driving the E spec’ed car, was very interesting with the paddle shifts. With the 5 speed AT, I could manual downshift whenever I need more torque, and it would immediately shift back after a few seconds. (I felt that for most of the drive, the auto torque is sufficient, except for the sudden need to overtake, which then the paddle shifts comes in so handy, and can be done from the steering). Something that fully automatic cars needs to engage overdrive, which is a little harder to do (that’s in my opinion only).
    4. The seats are really comfortable for me, really soft.
    5. All the compartments, drink holders, rear sit arm rest, are all so usefully nice.
    6. Most of all, I truly, truly like the IPOD integration. I actually brought my IPOD nano for the test drive, and connecting to the car, the car central console really becomes my IPOD click-wheel, something that I truly trully appreciates. I can turn and click, and hit the top button to up 1 menu level. I am able to access most of my functions of my IPOD Nano, play songs, videos, podcasts etc. And so does the buttons on the steering wheel, allows me to navigate the songs and volume. This is really really great for me, personally. If anyone out there who is an IPOD junkie like me, you will likely to feel the same way I do.
    7. Overall, the audio quality is really in the car with the 6 speakers, in my opinion at least.
    8. Driving quality, pretty good for me. Of course, that was just a short test drive in traffic. Brakes are good.

    Anyway, I would most likely buy this car. The IPOD controls and paddle shifts do fit in what I am looking for a car. Although bluetooth is missing, that I would probably just buy a car BT unit from Sony Ericsson which cost RM 300. Love the car.

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  • king (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    loo said,

    Bottom line, VTEC and IDSi are history and you expect to make a huge loss if you plan to sell. Too many new changes in Honda…. everything is almost new

    _____

    like that proton iswara will be the best value ever since they never change the engine for 20 years. lets all buy iswara !!

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    i am not any fan , i own a perdoua hehe, just decide which to buy. previous model i like vios more than city , because vios for guy and city for gal.

    Go to show room just now jln ipoh.

    Outlook – saw the real outlook of city S, it definitely beat vios and others that same class. the rim also beat vios while vios have putus rim.

    Interior – plastic too many, i think you guys are right here , vios win! black Cusion very comfort and fit. abit lost some space at front passenger.

    no test drive – too many ppl queuing up.

    only 2.9 % now, wait after march see what happen to the market….

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  • king (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    whats more, if all car manufacturers were to think like that…today we will still be driving stone age cars with 4 speed manual gearbox and 2.0 litre fuel guzzling engine with 80bhp/120Nm output.

    Manufacturers that are constantly improving and giving better and more efficient engines/ gearboxes etc. are criticised by people with third world mentality that only bother about nothing but resale value.

    obviously, better parts will naturally cost more to replace when the time comes. but that is all part of owning a car. so what is the fuss all about?

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Toyota = comfort, handling
    Honda = design , performance
    if honda + toyota – comfort , handling , design and performance wow so nice

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  • mitlanevo (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    great design from Honda (as usual)….

    affordable price tag…..

    this new City will be another hot topic in all kopitiams nationwide, lol~

    Honda = comfort, handling, brilliant design, performance etc etc etc
    Toyota = good design (some models), build cars just for the sake of $$$ without passion…..

    no offense jackytiong :-)

    peace~

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  • schdmitz (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    VIOS= durabilities+ save $$+ thumbs up resale $$…
    CITY = Style + $$(in long term if the model discontinue)+ thumbs down on resale….
    conclusion….
    Toyota man will go for Toyota and Honda fans will love Honda for their life….

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  • king (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    did you guys test drive the car or not? how on earth can vios have good handling compared to new city?

    hope you know what handling means.

    however the vios may have a better ride through bumpy roads due to its smaller rim size.

    only thing i don’t like about this city is the red color meter display. too glaring for my liking and distracted me abit during drive. everything else is almost too good compared with dugong vios.

    and for those who say the city is underpowered pls dun talk cock and go and test drive 1st. really test drive…dun just say u “test drive” (fake)

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  • wacko (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Director Michelle Bay has picked New Honda City 2009 as the official car for the sequel movie titled Transformers Return.

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  • Kingcb (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    New Honda City really so good and excellent? Really need to go honda show room to visit and test drive. See whether it really best like wat the ppl described here.

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  • Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Director Michelle Bay has picked New Honda City 2009 as the official car for the sequel movie titled Transformers Return.
    ———————————
    jason statham uses a honda city for the transporter bangkok

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  • e-nabilll (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    guess only honda fans will like this….as mentioned somewer above….a Persona with CPS is ALOT beter than the city……bigger interior….ALOT beter engine….and ALOT cheaper….the city doesnt seem to be bad…i tink ppl should lower their expectations abit…but for almost 90k its seriously rediculously expensive….way too overpriced….and hondas really dont usually age well….few years and absorbers.lower arms.rattles here n there will creep up ….take if from me…experience from accord 03

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  • toyotaforever (Member) on Dec 20, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    It about time Honda change the old motorboat look of the old city but the new one look like the old vios except dented at the back

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  • Wisdom (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 1:21 am

    The throttle response reminds me of the Sylphy. Normal characteristic of drive-by-wire cars i guess. I’m talking about engine response here, not transmission response since Sylphy using CVT. These dbw cars need quite some flooring to really feel the power & engine response. For those planning to test drive this City, floor it. Even more impressive acceleration using pedal shifter (for a 1.5). Careful coz the shifter sits quite near to wiper & signal stalk.

    And to compare it with 20 years-old 1.3 saga is a priceless joke.

    The interior also look cheap due to all-black colours. lack of tone and details compared to those beige finished interior. I realize those plastic was not that cheap by sensing its odour. Cheap plastic like those on older waja and 1st batch gen2 emits some nasty odour due to cheap antioxidant and stabilizer used plus higher volatile materials.

    I’m almost 1.8m, i adjust the driver seat and telescopic steering to suit my driving position, later i take sit behind driver and still have few inch gap from my knee to the front seat. i’m puzzle with some comment of cramp rear seat. really puzzled me.

    Rear seats rest-recline setup should be very relaxing for long journey. Persona should learn from this coz Persona rear seat lack of rest angle.

    p/s: cybermaster98, 200kmh? haha you’ve been cheated by toyota. Try again using GPS for real time speed.
    And i didnt said vios ‘unstable’ at 160kmh (real speed), i said City handles better. I’m not pro-City, i’m just being fair. But i can accept your sided opinion since you’ve already admit that you’re toyota-man

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  • topgunthang (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 1:28 am

    wait for test drive reports from overseas. since they arent really much biasness towards either brands, the report should be good.

    corolla vs civic i think there is no comparison. civic definitely wins. would it be the same for these cost cutting models?

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  • youngnhopeless (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 2:08 am

    i juz book tis car today,test drive on the spot too..to be very frank speaking,i decided to take vios white color in the early stage last week,hence it seems city is going to launch so i juz waited the car.When it launch and i immedietly book da city and abandoned the vios.Toyota really give me a very damm good offer,rm2k rebate + 3 yrs service warranty + rm500 rebate for white color vios (interesting is my company giving xtra car incentive to those who using white cars) ..d/p for vios is 2k .. great deal~~hell yeah…

    but now i paying city 9k deposit and they gave 6 month service warranty..but instead i choose city..

    the sux bout city is it comes wit 7 cup holders..huh,i dun sell drinks,budden da cup can be used to put others stuff..prefer the dash board more then vios,came wit usb and the player is much more attractive compare to vios..
    other points dat sales advisor mention to me is the volume will adjustable by itself when come to air insulation when u drive in high speed..

    black color interior design,nt dat kind of bad wad..i saw ppl bashing bout da black interior,come to vios thread ppl bashing the cushion easily get dirty..i wondering wad u guys want??? for me black is good..hardly get dirty and its water repellent too..

    talk bout rim,its something new design that hardly see in b-segment car,i mean the full specs, wit lotsa YYYY <–dunno wad shall i called it..

    the main core point i get city,paddle shift ..for a person who loves manual but hate it when get jammed of traffic..can use both in same time,xtra 5k , y not??

    many ppl told me bout vios back seat are not comfortable at all (any1 can prove me correct regarding bout tis??) the back seat make ppl hardly to get sleep or comfortable for long run drive

    regarding bout the performance wise..i really need some1 who is really good at this to give a fair conclusion,as might as waiting for paultan test drive answer itself..

    anyway im neither toyota or honda supporter…i choose car that given me the criteria i want.. wad i saw is i prefer old vios then the old city..

    can the cd player changeable for vios ?? i dun see any ideas to take out the dash board itself ~~

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  • ignas (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 2:53 am

    man those chics are indeed pretty! so do the cars.

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  • ignas (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 3:44 am

    sorry typo: man those chics are indeed pretty! so are the cars.

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  • derricklai (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 9:40 am

    People said “???????“, so now it’s “???????”

    why compare so much to other brands? why dont just review this particular new honda city 2009 & perhaps compare it with the old city old between S & E, anyway, after the 3 times i tested the car, i found out some of the belows:-

    Good:-
    1) handling really better than old city,

    2) the new design beats me. (Although i dun like the modulo kits, sorry)

    3) the brakes are really good as well.

    4) rear reclining seat make ppl feels a lot comfortable,

    5) rear underseat tray is really practical for some gals who like to treat the rear section of thier car as a “shoe cabinet”, like my wife ;)

    6) the audio system can produce enough power with 6 speakers and the connectivity of it is definitely giving wilder choise..(u see malaysia here keeping the cd rom. but some like thailand) SVC funtion

    7) the seat cover’s look nice.. differ finishing compare with E & S, E = more sporty look with blue double stiches.

    8) Rear aircond air port really can flow thru the rear passengers, (but need to turn the air-conditioned directional knob to flow mid&bottom.

    9) Both variants come with chrome door handle which is quite a bit handle too.

    10) Sound insulation is well done.

    Bads:-
    1) 1st thing i want to say is… this so called NEW city…. dont have door auto lock feature not even brake lock or RPM lock…. what make it more ridiculous is…… switches to unlock/lock the door also dont HAVE… WTH… pening liao lo..

    2) the specs. stated that the E variant has a leather gear knob… it’s a LIAR~~ hopefully this only happen to test drive cars…and the 1st batch delivery will provide the leather gear knob instead of a little stickers to cover the “leather gear knob” wording in the specifications.

    3) although the alarm is a new gen model…. but why no sound~~~ only flashes of signal like every time need to look back to make sure the car is lock is not that convenient….

    4) the boot is too big…. i put this in bads… because if make the boot smaller in exchange a larger cabin space would be wiser…

    5) same happen to the under the hood…. why so many gaps around the engine.. cannot utilized it to provide more space in cabin meh?

    6) the audio panel really pop out a bit… when testing the car while cornering gao… my knee hit the panels…

    7) radio reception is poor…. maybe too much distraction???

    8) front passenger need to “move away” their knee or pull the seat all the way back in order to open the glove box… very ??.

    that’s what i observed so far……. hope a lot of goods only coming out ??

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  • sakuragi (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Just for fun.. As I said before.. I’m not a toyota fan.. yeah they might suck a bit. But taking a swing back from people who despise other rival brands has and will always be fun. My message:

    Watch out City Baboon! The Dugong is much..much.. better than a transformable baboon. Hahaha!!

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  • layman (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 11:53 am

    In the highway this City will ‘tapao’ Vios easily, just like the Civic did to Altis.

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  • Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    vios or city, still better than buying any proton

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  • ignas (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    go City Baboon! go go! show em you can do it!

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  • ignas (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    im not a honda fan but yeah! go City Baboon! throw that loser stick to Vios Dugong!

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  • MAJUPERAK (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Vios and City …. both are entry level cars for the respective marques, so if you compare Vios J spec auto at around RM73K (plus 2k discount) = RM71K vs City E spec at RM84K. You are looking at more than RM10k difference

    Let’s be honest ….. so what if you drive Vios (top of the range) S spec at RM88K …. it’s still a Vios. If ppl ask “What car are you driving ?” Vios ….. or Vios S spec ?? so an entry level car like Vios, the J spec is good enough, I mean if you want a super full spec go the next level, Altis or Camry etc

    The same goes for City ….. a City is a City E or S spec … entry level car anyway …. those want to buy City go get the S spec after all engine is the same only some other features extra. You get to save about RM5k ….

    So what is the waiting period for the City ??

    All I’m talking is economic sense not as auto sense ….

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  • triplew (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Really so excited to see an compact sedan with such charming look, City is my more prefered choice compared vios, suzuki SX4 sedan, latio.
    but compared to Subaru all wheel drive, i think i will pick that one, and it’s less than 60k in sg… sad we got to pay such a high price to get a entry level car here~

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  • ReactiX (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    do you guys know why the sale of vios is like 2X than city last time? when both car in market, city loses because of its ugly appearance, but it got advantage in other aspects. people waited and waited for new city to come out, but yet none. at the same time vios launched the new vios dugong. those desperate buyer that wanna buy a honda get fed up and ended up buying a dugong. still no new city comes up. now this new city comes up, most of the potential buyer already own a vios. thats why the sale is like 2X already…

    other than that, i would say the look of previous city is way way way way…(5minutes later) way way to ugly! like turtle/seterika something from side view. where the old vios is much better looking, people just go and buy them.

    Dugong vs transformers wannabe…

    dont care laa.. i own a proton XD

    and hell no way dugong can speed up to 200kmh. beats me, i once follow a racerboy in vios and at 170-180kmh, he is not going further than me at that speed. i tapau him at 190kmh in my old gen2 and he slow the car after that XD

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    berhati hati do jalan raya., see you at next tracffic light

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  • car_craze (Member) on Dec 21, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    I saw the Civic at a showroom in JB yesterday. I wanted to test drive but the queue was too long. Maybe tomorrow – monday 22nd, if i am lucky.

    My comments:(Vs Vios) out of 10.
    1. Styling, ext- City 8, Vios 7
    2. Styling, int- City 7.5, Vios 7
    3. Visual quality – City 8, Vios 8.
    4. Features/equipment level – City 8, Vios 7.
    5. Interior space – City 7, Vios 7.5
    6. Boot space – 7.5 for both, despite the claimed figures.

    Will add more info once i do the test run. hopefully the demo car is well run in, otherwise the engine will feel very tight, hence the comments from many others that the car has ‘poor pick up’.

    Honda people take note – you should run you demo cars in at least 5-10k. i thought people in the car industry knows this ‘trick’. I know in Europe, the demo cars are ‘specially tuned’ for test drives.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 8:37 am

    do you guys know why the sale of vios is like 2X than city last time? when both car in market, city loses because of its ugly appearance, but it got advantage in other aspects. people waited and waited for new city to come out, but yet none. at the same time vios launched the new vios dugong. those desperate buyer that wanna buy a honda get fed up and ended up buying a dugong. still no new city comes up. now this new city comes up, most of the potential buyer already own a vios. thats why the sale is like 2X already…

    other than that, i would say the look of previous city is way way way way…(5minutes later) way way to ugly! like turtle/seterika something from side view. where the old vios is much better looking, people just go and buy them.

    Dugong vs transformers wannabe…

    dont care laa.. i own a proton XD

    and hell no way dugong can speed up to 200kmh. beats me, i once follow a racerboy in vios and at 170-180kmh, he is not going further than me at that speed. i tapau him at 190kmh in my old gen2 and he slow the car after that XD
    ________________________________________________________________________

    1) First of all i drive the 2003 Vios not the Dugong so read carefully before u comment.
    2) Secondly, everybody knows the Dugong has less pickup because of its heavier overall weight compared to the 03 model.
    3) This is a silly way to judge speed. So what is u were following a Vios and he dropped off at 180? Did u ever consider that he might not have wanted to ‘challenge’ you and not because he ‘couldnt’? Kindly make intelectual comparisons if you wanna comment. Dont just comment for the sake of writing a post.

    Bottom line is, my comment earlier on the speed was based on my own personal non exargerated experience. If u wanna know for yourself, give me a call and ill take u for a spin in Putrajaya (best place to hit 200kmph).

    To the earlier comment on using a GPS to check actual speed, well im comparing against what i saw on my speedometer. Has anybody tried hitting 200kmph in a City? I havent. But it wouldnt matter cuz im comparing an apple for an apple so GPS doesnt come in the pic at all.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 8:43 am

    I had a close up look at the new City last weekend but didnt go for a test drive yet. All i can say is to those of you who said that the City has better interior than the Vios, you need glasses.

    The 2009 City has really poor quality plastics around. This will surely cause alot of squeeks and rattles after some time in the sun. I was really disappointed with the quality that Honda is giving us Malaysians. Based on this fact alone, we should boycott Honda. The 07 Waja and Persona has much better interior quality.

    Plus the rear of the City is really bad. They did a good job with the front and sides but the back really screws up the overall look.

    This is surely a no buy for me. The 09 City will SURELY not be able to beat the Vios in sales.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Interior space – City 7, Vios 7.5
    __________________________________________________________________________

    Again another person who comments blindly without really appreciating the cars in question. Have u ever sat in a Vios and a City? You obviously havent.

    The new City has surely more legroom. The rear passengers especially. Plus the higher spec model can even recline the seats a bit. I think this was a good effort from Honda. The Vios suffers from serious lack of space especially at the back.

    (p/s: for those of you who dont know, i am a Toyota man who has both the 03 Vios and 07 City sitting in my house porch).

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  • mrleehb (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Y?? no white colour???

    so sedih……

    average is A++. damm nice car…

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  • xstan (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 9:32 am

    Hmmmm…those curse City are generally Vios owner.

    Anyway..I own the old City & my sis Vios 08.
    Vios certainly suit lady driver..none agresive, gentle drive, real roundish cute look. Drive wise..BLOOOOOOODY NOISY ..even NOISIER after hitting 110km/h. Add Floaty at highway..like feather. Door side rattlie even just couple of months. Tall chap cant even sit comfortably at rear coz head keep hitting the roof…well cleary its meant for girlfriend & malaysian build. Thats why is a getle car.

    Well after seeing & compare the interrior..New city certainly better then the new Vios, except for the 3 dials. Technology & innovation mmuch better. C’mon the seat is water proof in City man..reclining rear seats, securty sensor (look up its near the map light), undercarriage compartment, paddle shifts, super coold steering with telescopic & soooo much more.

    BEST IS ITS ENGINE REFINEMENT IS CERTINLY BETTER THEN VIOS & NOT AS NOISY AS VIOS.

    If u listen to Viosie..everything bad appears..& bombastic.

    Just be realistic. ..Viosie is abit jealous on teh shoel ordeal.

    BTW..Honda service centre is certainly excellent …& likewsie Improved.

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  • kh23 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 9:47 am

    Comments about interior inferior design and build-quality is everywhere in Internet, for both Vios and City. This is obvious as Malaysia is not the first market these model were launched. Furthermore, City and Vios is entry-level in the T&H car family, the lowest that you could find.
    For me interior of a car is important, as you are “living” and confine inside a small space, as soon as you step inside the car. Some spend hours travelling everyday. Hence what is important beside power(Nm) and fuel-economy, is the comfort/safety while driving it.
    For car cost less than rm100K, you have more choices like Suzuki SX4, Latio, and soon to be launched Peugeot 308. Test-drive and discover what other option can offer you. Why limit yourself to the entry-level car!
    Happy car hunting!!

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  • bukan_giler_keta (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 11:27 am

    saw a test drive CITY on the road yesterday..

    rear view = 3-series CELUP daaa….

    just like Accord = 7-series

    no offence honda fan!!!

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  • bukan_giler_keta (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 11:32 am

    saw the test drive CITY yesterday

    IMHO…rear view;

    NEW CITY = BMW 3-series
    Accord = BMW 7-series

    in conclusion, HONDA = BMW celup

    kuang 3x…

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  • wacko (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 11:55 am

    there is a famous local ah beng quote “if one cant afford to drive a BMW then get a honda”
    just ask any ah beng out there… almost 90% will go for Honda no matter how ugly the car is. rajagopal will stick loyal to Nissan and pak abu will settle for Toyota.

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  • 0204 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 11:56 am

    derricklai said,

    Bads:-
    1) 1st thing i want to say is… this so called NEW city…. dont have door auto lock feature not even brake lock or RPM lock…. what make it more ridiculous is…… switches to unlock/lock the door also dont HAVE… WTH… pening liao lo..

    2) the specs. stated that the E variant has a leather gear knob… it’s a LIAR~~ hopefully this only happen to test drive cars…and the 1st batch delivery will provide the leather gear knob instead of a little stickers to cover the “leather gear knob” wording in the specifications.

    3) although the alarm is a new gen model…. but why no sound~~~ only flashes of signal like every time need to look back to make sure the car is lock is not that convenient….

    4) the boot is too big…. i put this in bads… because if make the boot smaller in exchange a larger cabin space would be wiser…

    5) same happen to the under the hood…. why so many gaps around the engine.. cannot utilized it to provide more space in cabin meh?

    6) the audio panel really pop out a bit… when testing the car while cornering gao… my knee hit the panels…

    7) radio reception is poor…. maybe too much distraction???

    ________________________________________________________________________

    A few things to clear out honda’s later concept…

    1) 1st thing i want to say is… this so called NEW city…. dont have door auto lock feature not even brake lock or RPM lock…. what make it more ridiculous is…… switches to unlock/lock the door also dont HAVE… WTH… pening liao lo..
    Com: My dad’s civic doesn’t have autolock either, my boss’s old accord does have RPM lock. I do some search and found they can activate that on the new civic but i can’t do so. I’ve no idea why

    3) although the alarm is a new gen model…. but why no sound~~~ only flashes of signal like every time need to look back to make sure the car is lock is not that convenient….
    Com: sames goes to the civic. I’ve no idea why.. maybe they think it’s alot more cooler than the usual “DEET DEET” sound toyota and honda used. But what i think is that it wants you to look at your car when u switch on the alarm cause.. if you don’t close the door properly.. your can never turn ur alarm on (tried that b4) and.. maybe it make sure U to make sure nobody quickly get on the car before you turn on the alarm hiding at ur blind spot.. my stupid guess.

    5) same happen to the under the hood…. why so many gaps around the engine.. cannot utilized it to provide more space in cabin meh?
    Com: it’s a international model now.. which means the engine bay must also fit a heater. which in our case.. a blank space since we have ours right on top of our head.

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  • 0204 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    0204 said,

    3) although the alarm is a new gen model…. but why no sound~~~ only flashes of signal like every time need to look back to make sure the car is lock is not that convenient….
    Com: sames goes to the civic. I’ve no idea why.. maybe they think it’s alot more cooler than the usual “DEET DEET” sound toyota and honda used. But what i think is that it wants you to look at your car when u switch on the alarm cause.. if you don’t close the door properly.. your can never turn ur alarm on (tried that b4) and.. maybe it make sure U to make sure nobody quickly get on the car before you turn on the alarm hiding at ur blind spot.. my stupid guess.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Now i felt really stupid cause just rememberd that civic featured a sensor system which means if anything moving in the car after the alarm’s on.. it triggered. Not only that.. i the air pressure in the car change it triggered too.. but i have nooooo clue of why they did all these.. any wise man?

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  • OpenMind (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    It’s good to see competition in this category. With the improvement brought in, this car looks good and decent for its’ capacity and positioning as well as target market.

    But, for those who mentioned that this car is Value for Money: Either you are a Honda sales person, or you are buying the car with your parent money or you are rich …..

    The car price is increasing and the additional of feature is nothing new or special. In fact, it can be considered as basic or expected in today context. Furthermore, with the price of aout 90k, this is as good as 3x our GDP per capita or 18 months salary for a person who is earning RM5k a month.

    You figure out what is value??

    Perhaps, we as Malaysian are too used to low quality and expensive car (relatively). So as this car is expected to be slightly better in term of quality, everything is treated as value..

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  • xstan (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Dont get it…I can just switch off the volume on my old City. So no sound when security alarm activated. However..I adjust to high volume for my awareness.

    Guys..the new City equip with this so call alarm sensor for forceful theft break in. Look up at the map lights..there is this tweeter size sensor..if anyone were to break ur glass window, it trigger…how cool is that.

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  • Wisdom (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Cybermaster98,

    GPS is the true method to measure real time speed. So your claim of Vios hitting ‘true’ 200kmh is just too silly. But i can accept that claim since you’re a toyota-man. Infact, everybody here can also accept if you say Vios hit 240kmh since you’re toyota-man.

    Sometimes its hard to be fair.

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  • xstan (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Its not about hitting 200km/h…but Vios engine roar sooo loud & boomy after simply touching 110km/h. Did I mentioned flooty & unsafed. Its bloooody noisy.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Wisdom said,
    December 22, 2008 @ 12:18 pm

    Cybermaster98,

    GPS is the true method to measure real time speed. So your claim of Vios hitting ‘true’ 200kmh is just too silly. But i can accept that claim since you’re a toyota-man. Infact, everybody here can also accept if you say Vios hit 240kmh since you’re toyota-man.

    Sometimes its hard to be fair.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    What irritates me the most is when ppl misquote you and claim u said this and that when u actually didnt.

    Mr Wisdom,
    Pls read my post again. Did i mention anywhere that the 200kmph is the TRUE speed? I said thats what my speedometer said and i was comapring with other speedometer readings of the City. Im comparing an apple for an apply so the GPS issue doesnt come into play. Of course im aware that the GPS gives real time info. Its nothing about being a Toyota man. Kindly read all my posts before commenting. I may be a Toyota man but ive given very fair ratings to both the Vios and the City. I find it very hard to comprehend your failure even to understand simple basic English.

    Again, please try and understand what other bloggers are trying to say before shooting blanks. If u arent sure, ure most welcome to ask.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    xstan said,
    December 22, 2008 @ 12:22 pm

    Its not about hitting 200km/h…but Vios engine roar sooo loud & boomy after simply touching 110km/h. Did I mentioned flooty & unsafed. Its bloooody noisy
    __________________________________________________________________________
    Yes agreed. The engine is too noisy even for Toyota’s standards. But like i said earlier, its NOT floaty. The Vios is remarkably stable even at high speeds (im saying this is comparison to the City). It may be unsafe as the common laws of physics do apply but thats the same for most cars irregardless whether ure driving a BMW or a MERC.

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  • wuttaheck (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    wacko said,
    December 22, 2008 @ 11:55 am

    there is a famous local ah beng quote “if one cant afford to drive a BMW then get a honda”
    just ask any ah beng out there… almost 90% will go for Honda no matter how ugly the car is. rajagopal will stick loyal to Nissan and pak abu will settle for Toyota.
    ———-
    come to think bout it, the scenario is kind of true…

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  • Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    wuttaheck said,

    December 22, 2008 @ 1:14 pm

    wacko said,
    December 22, 2008 @ 11:55 am

    there is a famous local ah beng quote “if one cant afford to drive a BMW then get a honda”
    just ask any ah beng out there… almost 90% will go for Honda no matter how ugly the car is. rajagopal will stick loyal to Nissan and pak abu will settle for Toyota.
    ———-
    come to think bout it, the scenario is kind of true…
    —————————–
    people with brains will buy a fiat

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  • cincai (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    i’m not honda salesmen nor toyota salesmen, yesterday i visit the showroom.
    walao the interior material (for exp. dashboard ) of the new city same as our proton persona material used. proton waja much more better.
    i heard the honda salesmen said we can get the car two months that means the order book was only less than 3000 units ( refer to the comments form the honda malaysia president the max output per month was 1,500 units)
    and they keep on advertised in newspaper.
    wat does it means …………..

    waranty 3 yrs and free service 6mths…

    if the car price plus the waranty n free servie compare with the previous honda city. the new donda city must added additional rm5,000 for the short period of warranty n free service. thats means the price will be 90,000 to 95,000. with modula is 95,000 to 105,000

    honda salesmen or supporter don f me cause i talking the fact.

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  • CFA28 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    respect you guys who push your vios / city to 200 km/h. Remember, its not whether your car can hit 200 km/h that matters. Even a Kanchil with modifications to the engine / exhaust can achieve more than 200 km/h.

    The question to ask is if you were travelling 200 km/h, can you stop safely (emergency brake and complete stop to 0 km/h) that really matters.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Yes we know that. I dont do it often. In fact ive only pushed it to such speeds 3 times in the last 5 yrs. Aint worth the risk. It was mentioned just as a comparision basis.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Good analysis from Cincai. Yeah that surely must mean something! I was also told that the waiting period is about 2 months. But then again many sales ppl will quote shorter waiting periods just to get customers.

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  • intermilan (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    look like a lot of things has been said about the new city.

    so i won’t. i’ ve been to the showroom to have a good look at the city. no test drive as honda themselves has explain very detail during launch how the car differ than old city.

    my posting is just to share this information.

    If you are a looking to buy a car within rm90-95K budget, don’t make your decision now.

    wait until you give yourself the time to properly look, feel and test drive the upcoming peugeot 308 ckd. it will be launch in mid/late Jan 2009.

    the price? within the range above. 308 is c-segment car (equivalent to civic, altis). but far cheaper, as ckd benefit is passed to the car price.

    then make your choice.

    no harm giving yourself more choices to choose from.

    hopefully, this piece of information will help leads you to a better decision making.

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  • youngnhopeless (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    FYI, i would like to comment on some certain parts about the CITY
    every1 is mentioning the interior is worst then vios,but i don see anything lose compare with vios? i sat on my fren latest vios,got his car 3 mths ago..even he admited dat is it so plastic..not even that,meet a SA from toyota,he eventually told me that u choose honda when come to design,performances,choose toyota if u prefer long lasting car..
    vios cd player..really not exicting me at all..
    when all of u talking bout da engine performances,i was so worry n i tested the car again,rammed the car all out..satisfied..when shift to gear S,eventually controlling with paddle shift is much more fun..
    to be frank speaking,the car even came without 7 speed and cvt,i eventually hardly felt the gear shifting when i was accelerating in high speed..
    im a salesman but not in car line..

    p/s :cybermaster ,i got 2 fren driving latest vios..2 also giving me the same asnwer regarding the car is floaty eventually if u drive more then 110km/h ,only better when installed stabalizer..no hard feeling but i would like to know whats make u say that it wasnt??

    cincai – how u jugde the quality of the interior material of 2 boths car??juz curios about it..

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    use hand to knock the plastic to judge ? yes i do see there is less fabric at the door
    Honda good , Toyota also good. different ppl different preference. But the outlook look at the front. Cannot tahan! the shapes and lines perfect!
    Can we change add more fabric inside at the door side? :P

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  • andrewdaniel (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    New Honda City is a very good car for me of course we can’t make comparison to different class here like BMW or Mercedes. I really don’t understand why so many people criticise Honda City many there wanted the car some much but miss the chance to get it because already having Vios now or no money. Don’t blame Honda for the pricing as this car is only at 85k because of our Government protection or else it is only at 55k which we can compare direct with Persona or Waja. To be honest do you not thinking New Honda City is better then PErsona or Waja. If compare to Vios of course as some people comment both have strong and weak points.

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    no worry city fan, in vios forum also many ppl kutuk vios. …..hahahaha

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    This is probably the most happening non-proton post in paultan….

    City or vios….city or vios…. hmm…. dunno, dun care, lol.

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  • orangetribal (Member) on Dec 22, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    nice car esp with modulo kit on,but at 4.5 k more its a near 100k for this 1.5 car which to me is quite pricey,nevertheless a level of its own segment in terms of design

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  • lithzx (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 1:16 am

    Anybody owning this car yet? Need a review on the fuel consumption of this car.. The impression that I’ve got from so many City users before this was, the fuel consumption is excellent. Can this new City beat the uber fuel saving legend, the old Honda City?

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  • sukekete (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 3:52 am

    aiyah…so hard la u guys…sekejap ok sekejap ko…
    lets put it this way…

    1)u suka kerete macam dugong beli vios..
    2)tarak mampu bayo 85-90k beli proton/p2
    3)itu city manyak chantek pigi beli

    kekekekee…love the car though..can’t wait to visit honda showroom..missus oledi bising kenot tahan the looks..but need to feel/test drive first..

    anyway,drove MIL 2.0 civic wif those paddle shifters,the car seems to come to life whenever u engage it..first 15k km still feel the engine of not letting go/ketat..really disappointed wif final torque..most i can get about 160-170kph..after clock more than 20k km,can go really fast,no prob to get to 180,in record time..heh..

    cheers..

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 9:35 am

    youngnhopeless said,
    December 22, 2008 @ 8:10 pm

    p/s :cybermaster ,i got 2 fren driving latest vios..2 also giving me the same asnwer regarding the car is floaty eventually if u drive more then 110km/h ,only better when installed stabalizer..no hard feeling but i would like to know whats make u say that it wasnt??
    __________________________________________________________________________
    First of all i was refering to the 2003 Vios model. Secondly, i think most ppl do not understand the meaning of floaty. I think that if u have to keep both hands on the wheel just to keep the car straight then it would be deemed ‘floaty’. Ive hit high speeds with my 03 Vios model and i dont have to use 2 hands. In fact since i drive alot, im one of those who uses just 2 fingers while keeping my elbow firmly planted on the door arm rest. This is not a safe practice i admit but its just to show how stable the car is.

    I usually make the journey from KL – Juru in about 2.5hrs and ive had no complaints about the car being floaty. The only problem ive faced with ‘floatiness’ is during heavy rain but thats what most car drivers experience anyway.

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  • millionboss (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    I do summarise both HONDA CITY and TOYOTA VIOS as :

    HONDA CITY
    – Stylish and Trendy
    – Transformer Style and Fiercy Look
    – Gorgeous USB (AUX) connectivity (Not in all model of Vios. Play MP3 songs from Flash or Pen Drive.
    – Undertray to store Umbrella (Not in all model of Vios)
    – Passenger Seats are spacious (3 persons sit in City and Vios passenger seats, feel it, you will find City is spacious)
    – ONLY DRAWBACK. The shape of rear doors like Accord, which are dangerous when you open the doors to step in. The corner of triangle small window may hit on your body (Try to open the back door, and step in, you will find the triangle small window may hit your body)

    TOYOTA VIOS
    – Classical and Tamer Look, suitable for OL
    – No USB (AUX) connectivity. A pity that MP3 Songs in Flash or Pen Drive couldn’t be played.
    – No undertray to store umbrella, etc
    – A bit squeezed for 3 persons at passenger seats.
    – THE MOST IMPORTANT is, VIOS is sold in LELONG LELONG style. During its launch, VIOS had 3 spec, namely E, G and S. Half a year later, in order to push sales, a lot of specs being removed, then sell in lower lower spec namely J specs. Good for cheaper entry to own a Japenese Car, but Bad for VIOS G & S owners as LELONG drops the dignity of VIOS.

    Further info on this LELONG LELONG can be found at, http://stoctouch.blogspot.com/2008/08/toyota-failure-in-malaysia.html

    ” IF one day LV produces a Monogram Canvas Handbag which has no compartment inside, and sells at 40% lower than normal Monogram Canvas Handbag. With the same outline and outlook, now one can own original LV Handbag with price 40% lower. What will be the reaction of LV lovers ? What will the reaction of those elegant mistresses ? ” Interesting comment…interesting comment….

    So, CITY or VIOS is better choice, you decide.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    what kind of summary is that?? Ure only focussed on the frills and not the main points of comparison. Are you a lady? Sounds like something a lady would focus on.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    lithzx said,
    December 23, 2008 @ 1:16 am

    Anybody owning this car yet? Need a review on the fuel consumption of this car.. The impression that I’ve got from so many City users before this was, the fuel consumption is excellent. Can this new City beat the uber fuel saving legend, the old Honda City?
    __________________________________________________________________________
    First of all its difficult to judge actual fuel consumption based on user reviews due to the simple fact that its highly dependent on driving style. If ure one who goes for hard acceleration and braking, ull get poor fuel economy.

    Secondly, if u compare urban driving it will also depend which part of the city u drive in. If u get caught in 2-3 hr jams everyday it wont be economical as well.

    Fuel consumption cannot be judged by the mileage alone. I can get more than 560kmph in urban driving in my Vios 03 model but thats because i am a ‘smooth’ driver (not slow mind you). In the last 5 yrs i only changed my brake pads once which was early this year the same time i changed my tyres despite doing more than 95K mileage.

    Its all very subjective.

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  • millionboss (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    cybermaster,

    I think you don’t understand the moral of stories of above summary.

    Think this way, did HONDA LELONG City price ? Such as take everything out, then sell in lower and lower price to boost sales ?

    This is a TOYOTA problem, today you buy it, tomorrow the LELONG for lower lower price is going to affect your second hand car value.

    Think this way, today you buy a bangalow (fully built with concrete). Next year the developer sells another bangalow at besides your vacant land, which is built by ‘attap’ and costs much much lower. Do you think it is fare for you ?

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    i was refering to the ‘cosmetic summary’ u made. You talked about 2 totally different things. You made a good point on the so called ‘lelong’ part and i agree with you. But no point in comparing how many compartments for umbrella or USB when the main issue is about the pricing structure as what u mentioned in the 2nd part of your comment.

    As for your comment on the bungalow, your concrete bungalow will still have a good price irregardless of whether the developer builds one next to you with ‘atap’ roof or not. Unless its an issue which affects your view or general outlook of your property, most other ‘price determining’ factors are independent as alot of the price comes from the land itself.

    Cheers!

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  • millionboss (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    cybermaster,

    read MAJUPERAK comment per below :

    ” MAJUPERAK said,

    December 21, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

    Let’s be honest ….. so what if you drive Vios (top of the range) S spec at RM88K …. it’s still a Vios. If ppl ask “What car are you driving ?” Vios ….. or Vios S spec ?? ”

    To consider to buy a car, we do not only consider about the price, spec and outlook, we consider the services after sales, we may also consider the dignity of the car too.

    Think this way, if one day, Mercedes Benz sells SLK with local engine with less than 90k. From outside, it looks like a imported half a million SLK, nothing difference, but the engine is difference. Do you think will you still buy Mercedes Benz car for a dignity ? Would the millionaire bosses still choose a Mercedes Benz car for his rest of life ?

    Think this way, if one day, you bought a bangalow (built with concrete). A year after, same developer builds other bangalow (built with attap) surronding you, costs much lower than yours. Would you still choose this developer next time you buy a house ?

    Think this way, if you were bought TOYOTA VIOS highest spec, S spec, costs 88k, last year. 6 – 9 months later, TOYOTA tooks may parts off to make a lower lower spec, J spec and sold in lowest price of 69k for pushing their sales (It may due to the pressure in operating loss in latest ). Like two cases illustrated above, would you choose TOYOTA next time you wanna buy a car ?

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  • CFA28 (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    What Toyota is doing with the Vios is basically making fools of the ppl who bought the higher specs. The different between pricing for the same model should only be about RM5K. It would be a different story if Toyota had launched the J version together with the higher specs, that way all buyers can make an informed decision.

    However, this is still not as bad as what Naza did to their Kia Carnival. When the Carnival was launched, it was like RM150K. Then the Carnival became the Naza Ria and the price was only RM100K. Imagine, if you were the buyers of the last batch of Carnival.

    I met a few of them, they will never ever give any more biz to Naza and will tell their frens / relatives the same thing.

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  • extrarm (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    visit kahmotor bangsar for test drive. very nice car. fall in love on first sight. exterior no complaint at all.. inside surprisingly spacious… nice looking interior.. confortable seating.. flexible seat at the back also a plus.

    then i test drive the e version together with 4 adult and 2 kids… slightly feel underpower but with 4 adult and climbing road in bangsar… considered good.
    semiauto gb function… slightly lag but changing gear quite smooth. engine quite rough when revving but very2 quite on idle.

    got rm500.00 discount because the sa my xhousemate :), interest rate 2.95 for 9 years and booking rm2000.00

    conclusion: much2 better than my current gen2 auto… :)

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  • raviku32 (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    My idea is to read all the comment above, and do test drive on City, Vios n Persona. Based on your own judgement buy the right car. After all, its your money.
    But for me my first choice is Vios(Dugong)for reliability, then Persona for price vs money and later City for spec.
    But my advise for those whom going to get City is to wait a while and see if there going to be any reliability issues.

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    Correct, scare economy downturn, wait first. you guys continue review.

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  • Wisdom (Member) on Dec 23, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Driving vios at so-called 200kmh with two fingers on steering sure a nice joke. I believe thats your fairest comment of all.

    And toyota pricing strategy was to make sure they conquered number one spot on sales.. then vios owner will shout; higher sales volume = better car.

    Back to the City, the monthly installment will be around rm940 for 9 years or rm1150 for 7 years with basic deposit paid. Better consider for higher deposit.

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  • lithzx (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 12:24 am

    2 fingers on steering wheel while speeding? Been doing it all the time with my wira 1.5, no need to buy vios.

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  • king (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 2:27 am

    1st time in my life i ever heard a vios is stable at speeds above 120kmh-200kmh?

    i once heard an old nissan salesman saying that nissan vanette was very stable at 150kmh.

    what good jokes we can get at paultan forum…

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  • aenz81 (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Xmas promotion… buy a blue color new city will get a girl in a black dress in the picture, buy a silver color will get a girl in a white dress..!!! HURRY UP!!! WHILE STOCK LASTS!!! :)

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  • king (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    lithzx said,
    December 24, 2008 @ 12:24 am

    2 fingers on steering wheel while speeding? Been doing it all the time with my wira 1.5, no need to buy vios.

    —–

    you must have been watching too much initial-D cartoon/movie. hope you guys value your life….if not at least value other ppl’s life.

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  • Hairudy (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Honda vs Toyota….

    F1
    1. Honda Out?
    2. Toyota Stay?

    :D

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  • franson_CE (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Hairudy said,

    December 24, 2008 @ 3:16 pm

    Honda vs Toyota….

    F1
    1. Honda Out?
    2. Toyota Stay?

    hahaha what a funny comment

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  • lithzx (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Initial D? LoL, total bull**** movie for me.
    Plus, what maximum speed you can achieve with wira 1.5 auto? 230km/hour? hahaha..
    Speeding does not mean flooring the accelerator brutally, ignoring the sense of own safety and other people’s safety, just go cucuk whatever car in front of you, etc. You must know the differences between advance driving and beginner driving.
    And to be honest, everybody’s driving style is different. My 2 fingers driving is more safety and stable rather than my 2 hands on the steering wheel.
    For some people, they feel more relaxed driving with only one hand, some with two hands, some using their feet, or whatever. It all depending on the driving style of a person.
    Don’t just blatantly accusing “oh those who drive fast with only few fingers are bad drivers, very dangerous 1, can kill people 1, watch too much racing movies 1, ah beng la, etc etc..

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  • BRAZBUZ (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Whatever it is, tepuk dada tanya selera
    city or vios,decide by your own and see it
    by yourself….

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  • topgunthang (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    you know i’d like to see how your ‘2 finger driving’ is more stable than 2 hands on the steering wheel.

    i mean 2 fingers is all right for KFC…..but i’d like to watch you emergency steer your way out of danger with 2 fingers.

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  • loo (Member) on Dec 24, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    I think everyone has different opinion…. Toyota or Honda… whatever…..To me….. a “crushed” Dugong out from SC in 24 days like brand new……

    Toyota people really impressed me…..

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  • Wisdom (Member) on Dec 25, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Regarding service, comparing Toyota & Honda isnt that ideal. Every single service center in every town and district have their own culture. I believe somewhere in Malaysia there were better Honda service compared to toyota in the same town. And vice versa. Its your area that matter, not the whole country toyota service better than honda.

    Some Proton service center i know perform better than UMW service center. Its all about attitude.

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  • lithzx (Member) on Dec 25, 2008 at 5:49 am

    use 1 hand enough la bro.. use 2 hands, my biceps muscle will make the car overturn, then I accident.. how?

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  • Avanzato X4 (Member) on Dec 25, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    there is nothing PERFECT over the world, different ppl may have different taste and needs, don’t listen to ppl who blame this is bad, thats is no good, judge urself and think what u want. buying a car is not buying a handphone, think clearly. Both Vios and City got their features and selling points. So… just decide yourself.

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 27, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    why stop laio? keep on going lah. w

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  • loo (Member) on Dec 29, 2008 at 9:17 am

    No need to say more, people are enjoying new year with their transformer (formerly known as “flower horn”) and Dugong car…….

    Just head to the showroom to decide yourself. everyone also expecting economy slowdown and it is wise to save a bit of money…….

    We will wait for Paul Tan’s report on the test drive.

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Dec 29, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    We all want to hear more comment. not only just Paul Tan. not really ” write pau tan ” if he comment & test drive is 100% influenced your purchase.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 08, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    king said,
    December 24, 2008 @ 2:27 am

    1st time in my life i ever heard a vios is stable at speeds above 120kmh-200kmh?

    i once heard an old nissan salesman saying that nissan vanette was very stable at 150kmh.

    what good jokes we can get at paultan forum
    __________________________________________________________________________

    Maybe you should try sitting in a Vios 03 model travelling at those speeds before making silly comments. Alot of views here were originally vomitted by others and are merely duplicated. All the ‘i heard from so and so’ and ‘i once heard this and that’ are all presumptious.

    My comments on the other hand are ALWAYS based on my OWN experience which is why i can vouch for them 100%. I truly appreciate views given by those who have really experienced a particular drive rather than making copycat comments like Mr King. So kindly think twice before going around branding honest comments as jokes on the forum.

    Cheers!

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  • awak (Member) on Jan 09, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    just get a test of this car,
    i drive mostly on manual mode using flappy on steering,
    up and down shifting, explore the engine up to 6000 plus,
    ,,,,,,,,,,,

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  • awak (Member) on Jan 10, 2009 at 8:03 am

    pushing up hill, i can tell its a 1.5 capability, just a 1.5
    the engine is screaming, very audible.
    it doesnt feel sporty to me, iterm of seats and stering. i carry another 2 passanger, hard on the throttle it does snap foward, but not particularly fell torquey on the move, it does but not that great.
    most of the time i just take advantage of the HP since my fingger is quite happy on that finger paddle, squezing it v tech, but its 1.5 like i say.

    interior is very well fit and toyish style, treat with delicacy, but for me overall design layout is less evoking, like in the persona SE

    its a fine normal car, not spicy. nor sporty.
    just a fine car with,

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  • GOGOobama (Member) on Jan 10, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    always remember, toyota is no 1 in japan market and the world. better choose toyota vios.exp… behind leg space is long then new city and the flat floor. city dun have.. still BUTUK . the vios get gate gear shifter with super ect..and the vios get printed antenna ! the aircond control is nicer then city..city one look same as MYVI ! haha

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 12, 2009 at 8:29 am

    Correction: Vios has LESS legroom at the rear compared to new City.

    One thing i cannot understand is when bloggers keep saying the 1.5 not sporty la, not torquey la, difficult to climb hills with full passengers la, etc. Hello???? Common guys! Ure taling about a 1.5L engine car. Why compare with a Camry, Accord, Merc or BMW?? There is no comparison at all. Compare and apple for an apple. If u want to be able to zoom up Genting with a full load and still reach the summit in record time then go get yourself 1 of the cars mentioned above. Why bother commenting about 1.5L car?!

    People who buy 1.5L cars are going for ECONOMY within respectable limits of torque. They are mostly small families or maybe young adults. They are not big time Datuks or Mat Speed Racer.

    1.5L cars will have good acceleration with minimal load but once u put in 4 adults your acceleration will suffer due to the low torque. The Vios for example can accelerate faster than most 1.6L cars on the road today with minimal load. (It has a proclaimed 1-100kmph timing of 9.8 secs).

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  • franson_CE (Member) on Jan 12, 2009 at 11:56 am

    GOGOobama said,

    January 10, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

    always remember, toyota is no 1 in japan market and the world. better choose toyota vios.exp… behind leg space is long then new city and the flat floor. city dun have.. still BUTUK . the vios get gate gear shifter with super ect..and the vios get printed antenna ! the aircond control is nicer then city..city one look same as MYVI ! haha

    ——————————————————————-

    Blind talk =.=”

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  • fmaclicious (Member) on Jan 12, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    hi there..

    ive been following the comments ever since the first comment was posted. anyway..wanna share with u guys…i just got my honda city 2 days ago. overall…i have to say its a pretty good car (im not a honda fan or toyota fan or proton fan)…these are some of my views on the car

    1. as u all have seen…the exterior of the car is eye-catching…kinda solid.. but the black color gets dirty easily..so u have to wash it once in a while…the honda dealer also suggested to purchase a polymer sealent…which is wipe out any surface scratches due to rocks. i dun think i have to elaborate much on the body of the car

    2. The boot is HUGE! from the outside the behind looks short…but once u open the the boot…u’ll be surprise! and yeah..u can definitely fit in 2-3 golf bags in it.

    3. The radio system is fantastic. the bass is kinda high but u can adjust that manually. the 6 speakers are clear and sharp. there are 4 EQ modes to choose from. the best part is u can connect ur ipod to the system…its a little bit complicated getting used to the buttons when ur ipod is connected…but u’ll get the hang of it after awhile.

    4. the glove compartment is smaller compared to the old cite (and actually to my old satria)…. im not sure why they designed that way cos the dash board seems so wide…they could’ve just made the comparment bigger. so basically not much room to keep ur stuff in the comparment (this shud be disappointment to the females who love to keep their stuffs in it).

    5. i find the cup holders very useful (even though i dun really use it for cups)…u can put ur hp or any other items in it. there are additional cup holders on the side door.

    6. wat really disappoints me is the inner part of the doors are TOO plastic. i accidentally slammed the door and guess wat…a piece of the plastic came off…hmmm…

    7. the seats are comfortable.. but the dust and other particles can be easily seen on the seats. But the rear reclining seats are very useful for long journey and there is plenty of space behind.

    8. performance wise…i dun really know much about engines and all so i dare not to give any comments (too many emotional people in this blog)…but wat i can say…its not bad. i used to have the old jazz and i could say its better than the old jazz. pick up is ok…but in the ‘S’ mode…the pick up is pretty fine. in terms of fuel … its definitely fuel consumption. i drove from ULU KLANG to BANTING the fuel meter dropped nearly one bar…dats pretty ok considered driving my mum’s civic which dropped two bars.

    well….dats all i can say about the car. im not comparing the car to any other cars but the car is pretty fine. no regrets at all (except for plastic interior)..hehehe…

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  • franson_CE (Member) on Jan 12, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    hey fmaclicious. Are you from Ulu Klang or Banting?

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  • fmaclicious (Member) on Jan 13, 2009 at 12:49 am

    franson_CE said,

    January 12, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

    hey fmaclicious. Are you from Ulu Klang or Banting?

    ________________________________________________-

    im from ULU KLANG…oh ya…i was driving at a speed of 110…

    one more thing i want to add is the rear boot lever is located on the side of the drivers seat..its very close by to the lever to adjust ur seats…the possibility of a person pulling the wrong lever is very high..imagine ure driving and wanted to recline ur seat just a little bit and accidentally pulled the boot lever…kinda dangerous!!

    and to those who are planning to get ur city tinted…remind them not to place those reminder stickers on the window buttons. wat happened to mine is when you remove the stickers..it will leave a mark..and its kinda difficult to remove unless you use special solutions.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 13, 2009 at 8:43 am

    I just found out this info. Not how true it is but thought ill share it with you. It seems that the interior plastics used in the new Honda City are supposedly more environment friendly. But the downside to it is its also very sensative to chemicals.

    I was also told by a Honda salesman that the car manual clearly states that even certain air fresheners should not be used as it would corrode the plastics or dashboard.

    Gosh this is scary la! I always thought the plastics were very cheapo looking but didnt realise it could be this sensative.

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  • fmaclicious (Member) on Jan 13, 2009 at 10:19 am

    cybermaster98 said,

    January 13, 2009 @ 8:43 am

    I just found out this info. Not how true it is but thought ill share it with you. It seems that the interior plastics used in the new Honda City are supposedly more environment friendly. But the downside to it is its also very sensative to chemicals.

    I was also told by a Honda salesman that the car manual clearly states that even certain air fresheners should not be used as it would corrode the plastics or dashboard.

    Gosh this is scary la! I always thought the plastics were very cheapo looking but didnt realise it could be this sensative.

    ——————————————————

    i just went tru the manual…nothing mentioned about air freshener…. coming from a science/engineering background…. it is impossible for air fresheners to react with plastics….ure talking about gas molecules reacting with solid molecules…unless ure talking about dangerous gases…

    but wat i can say is…the interior is very plastic….but not to the cheap kinds. ive been told by the dealer it is part of the environmental friendly campaign for their future cars…weather its good or bad…we have wait n see…

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 13, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Well i was actually refering to the air freshner liquid spilling on the plastics.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 13, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Im not sure whether its really environment friendly or whether its a gimmick to market cheaper plastics but one thing i can say is the pastics in the new City look and feel very similar to the old proton Saga models.

    I think that given time and some exposure in the sun, the rattling and creaking will start. What do the rest of you think?

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  • fmaclicious (Member) on Jan 13, 2009 at 11:43 am

    well…u might be true about that…

    but it actually depends on how well u take care of ur car. u can have the most luxurious car but if u dun take care of it….the same thing could happen to that car.

    yes..its true…the plastic in the city does look like the ones in saga… but its better quality. regarding spilling liquid from air fresheners… im not sure about that. but lets say that the air fresheners does react with plastic…then im pretty sure it would’ve reacted with the air fresheners container as well.

    one more thing…if rains gets into the car…it will leave a stain on the side doors…but its easily cleaned by using tissue papers.

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  • fmaclicious (Member) on Jan 13, 2009 at 11:47 am

    oh ya…make sure u add in quality tinted layer.. honda usually uses V-kool…but theres a new company (i forgot its name) that claims its 90% infra-red sumting sumting….wateva that means…

    its important that the car is not TOO HOT when u park outside…this applies to all cars…dats y u have to invest on good quality tinted layer

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  • GOGOobama (Member) on Jan 13, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    franson_CE said,
    January 12, 2009 @ 11:56 am

    take care ur mouth

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  • xstan (Member) on Jan 13, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    GOGOobama said,

    January 10, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

    always remember, toyota is no 1 in japan market and the world. better choose toyota vios.exp… behind leg space is long then new city and the flat floor. city dun have.. still BUTUK . the vios get gate gear shifter with super ect..and the vios get printed antenna ! the aircond control is nicer then city..city one look same as MYVI ! haha
    ———————————————————-

    Vios rear is short..anyone tall knock head. City has almost flat floor, hradly felt & is not of concern. It has undercarriage for simple things..shopping bags, shoe etc. It has this security system, look up at the map light where it will detect if someone smash of forcefully enter the car as it trigger alarm. Vios rear glass will definately be costly if break due to antenae. Worst of all..Vios is notably HARSHY on highway with loud engine shrieking sound after 110km/h & flooaty. Known facts. Overall exterior is real dugung…a real out of shape fish category.
    1 look at City..people tot Autobots has enter earth. Neverthelss..chics sure dig feminine Vios. Real man luvs Autobots.
    City is much roomier than Vios with bigger HP, 5 speeds, dashing meters, digital audio player, shiftronic, larger boot size, undercarriage, adjustable rear seats, Xtra security, handsome looking, good better review then Vios in every international media test drive review, attract attention, better FC, not so floaty, waterproof seats, telescopic steering, advance fuel opener & whole loads more of plus.

    BTW..any balck seats will encourage dust & dirt. use Roller lint at price only RM4.00.

    FMlICIOUS !! C u at more happening forum www.motortrader.com.

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  • sugus (Member) on Jan 14, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    first, i own a waja and i’m sick of it. when the new CITY launched, i give a deep thought about it. i’ve seen the car once and are quite impressed with it’s in and out look but i did not notice the cheap quality plastic you guys are mentioning about. probably i’ll go for a second visit plus test drive.

    i’m not very good at cars just some basic knowledge so correct me if i’m wrong. 1 thing i don’t understand why Honda downgraded the gearbox. the previous CITY has 7 speeds and CVT but not this new CITY. i can only see 2 comments about this. 1 comment says the gearbox is a disappointment and can fell the gear shift very obviously. 1 comment says the gear shift is very smooth and can hardly feel it.

    what about the rest? any comment on this after test drive?

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  • fmaclicious (Member) on Jan 15, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Sugus…

    ive been driving the new city for almost a week and i have no complain about the gear shift. IT IS SMOOTH…. that i can ensure you. Regarding the interior plastic…its not really as bad as u think. i guess everyone had a high expectation for this car (including me). What i read in few magazines and website…most cars now days are using more plastics for the interior…i guess its to cut cost.. but dun worry about it… i can promise you its worth the money to buy the car.

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  • asyraff_2004 (Member) on Jan 15, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    after testing the new vios, the new city, and latio, i feel that these cars are quite similar in terms of performance, ride and quality. i dont think the vios interior quality can leave the city’s or latio’s far enough, cause all look cheap! plus, i really hate cars which have center meter cluster, it looks weird n stupid. on ride quality point of view, i think vios, city and latio are just more less to each other. for those who condemn any of these cars, trust me, it depends on your first impression. if you love honda the first moment you saw it, u gonna love her forever, leaving toyota and nissan behind. but on top of all, every cars has its own advantages n disadvantages. we just have to compare them wisely.

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  • franson_CE (Member) on Jan 15, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    fmaclicious, can you share your driving experience for this new honda city? as i read many comments and review saying the previous gen of Honda city feels floaty when >110kmh. how about this new honda city? as i read from some test drive report, this new honda city has upgraded its handling, the suspension and stability. regarding the interior quality, i see no different between vios and city actually.. both also same plasticky. but the design and functionality and comfortable wise, personally i prefer much more the new honda city coz when i 1st seen the center meter cluster, my mind comes a big “NO” to vios already. adding more, city has nicer water repellent seat, reclining back seat, adjustable back rest, under tray storage, and the USB connector!! so i booked this new honda city. my car is coming on march. i booked E spec with polished metal metallic =)

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  • fmaclicious (Member) on Jan 16, 2009 at 12:01 am

    franson_CE..

    i have never tested the previous city before…but a friend of mine who owns the old city test drove my car recently. according to him, he said the performance is much much better. the handling and suspension also has improved (especially in KL with all the pot holes in jalan ampang). we drove 130kmh at the new putrajaya-kl highway and he said its very stable and smooth compared to his city and his wife’s vios. i hope this answers your question.

    but again, like what asyraff_2004 said before, the performance its more or less the same. there are not many MAJOR differences between the vios, city and latio. it really depends on your personal interest.

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  • franson_CE (Member) on Jan 16, 2009 at 1:24 am

    fmaclicious,

    thanks for your reply. my brother has the previous gen HOnda city. i drove his car before and i really got shocked coz it’s like floating (plus its steering control really light, feel a bit scary) after i accelerate >110kmh. same goes to previous gen vios. as what many said like sampan. but after my bro installed those stability bar, better rims and tyres, this problem has solved. I am worrying abt this new honda city. however i referred to some review, the new honda city EPS (electronic power steering) has tuned and upgraded and also the suspension. hope really as what your fren commented, this new honda city is much much better and stable =)
    btw, what color is your honda city and what tinted u go for?

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  • asyraff_2004 (Member) on Jan 16, 2009 at 8:10 am

    i love honda when the first time i saw her. and i booked one black honda city (grade E).cant wait to drive and tunjuk to orang kampung haha

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  • fmaclicious (Member) on Jan 16, 2009 at 11:11 am

    francis_CE

    my city is black…i cant recall the name of tinted but its under HONDA too…not V-Kool but another company. its the same price as V-Kool…

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  • sugus (Member) on Jan 16, 2009 at 11:19 am

    fmaclicious,

    thanks for your comment. i’ll go for your advice since you have been driving the new CITY for a week. you are right about the high expectation but i bet the new CITY is way more better than the car i have now. cheers…

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Jan 17, 2009 at 12:02 am

    Toyota no.1 in japan is because of the small compact car. Not vios.

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  • cErYBLiZz (Member) on Jan 17, 2009 at 9:59 am

    fmaclicious,

    Do u have any best deal@ freebie for buying you new honda city?for me(still waiting my car this March)been offered a free paddle lock (price Rm 400),door viser,carpet met & RM 350 tinted voucher.Any best deal in town?

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  • FanFanHon (Member) on Jan 17, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Amazing experience with this CITY 2009…I like it…I will never even though my life is getting harder because of the LOAN…hehe…

    Anyway, i having trouble in how to tune the FM into the memory? as what mentioned in the manual, it is only show us how to choose the channel. can anyone of you help me on this?

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  • farhathaniff (Member) on Jan 17, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    New city is unpredictably shockingly attractive! Older versions (guessing 2001+) are just pure fugliness.

    Thinking of getting this as a daily uni-commute and ofcourse, a few tuning and racing around KL ^^

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  • gods twin (Member) on Jan 17, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Guys

    1 request, when you guys are posting a comment on the ride and quality of a car, pls do drive the particular car before commenting, dont post a comment based on your favorite brand. Many malaysians now adays do thier reserach online before buying a car esp this forum.

    Firstly, i read some where up there that many complain that tht the new vios is a lump of shit, Well i would have to totally disagree.Interms of ride and comfort, the new vios is much better the new city plus the toyota after service is just amazing.I have driven the new vios up to speeds of 205 – 210(not sure of the exact speed as the meter is only printed to200, the needle when past 200 mark, racing a waja cps and a satria neo. i was shocked when i saw the spedo. i can prove this as the police has sent me a love letter stating the speed i got tangkap bash was at 206. when it comes to highway driving, the the vios surely can satisfy your urge for speed not the city. BUT, if you are the kind of a person who enjoys the twist and bends, forget bout the vios, it will send you to the grave. City is the hero in here, i have droven my fiances new city on e ulu yam road, think they shold change the name to honda country side rather honda city. the car was so much fun and civilized on the corners, coupled wit e paddle shift and shift control, The only word is wow. For a moment though i thought i was driving the NSX-hehe. the moment you hit 5000 revs, you will be blasted with 120 stalions. But on the highway have to say its a let down.

    Verdict : Vios anytime on the highway, City ,when you leave city.
    Vios:
    Comfort ride, good resale value, reliability and if you want to chase a Waja CPS or the Neo or S60 go for the Vios.

    City: design, Features, Performance and the NSX wannabees

    Both has a strong point for the current economic climate, good discounts by the car companies and most of all, They sip petrol and put on a smile on the face where it most matters,

    Just my 90cents opinion

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  • gods twin (Member) on Jan 17, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Sorry forgot to include the race between the vios(me) and volvo S60(my boss) i was trying my luck with on my way back from Tg Malim to Taiping. The S60 is 1 hell of a machine though, All in we covered 190km in 1 hour 18 mins. Using north south highway at 3 am. speed averaging 180 – 190.

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  • GOGOobama (Member) on Jan 17, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    city has a road show at 1 utama, can go to view anyone…is really a nice car !! hope this NAP before this april will bring down city to less then rm80k for high grrade model… he

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  • piggygrace (Member) on Jan 18, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    I’ve been driving the new city for more than a week and here are some of my feedbacks on the car.

    1) no use commenting on the vios vs city looks. beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    2) the overdrive ratio on the highway is great. 120kmh is under 2.5k RPM. cruising on a 1.5L has never felt better.

    3) the auto gear box albeit a smooth change, suffers from what all modern japanese engines from…..countless shifts when it encounters different change in terrain.

    the VTEC engine seems to be tamer, more suited for a more relaxed drive. dont get me wrong, its a very willing engine on the road.

    4) Ride on the city is comfortable but try avoiding deep potholes. The backside of the car “feels” heavy like a hatchback would behave when going over speedhumps at high speeds.

    5) HUGE BOOT.

    just my 2 cents.

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  • jimmy9983 (Member) on Jan 19, 2009 at 9:16 am

    in love wif this car since the 1st pic in this forum, booked it on the 2nd day of launching here in kuching. The car is here and probably i w b drivin the car within this few days. I go for the black s type wif modulo. I dun knw whether it really worth it to spend extra rm4750 on the modulo which is nearly equal to the e type price. But 1 thing for sure, i really think it looks so much cooler wif the modulo.i hav seen the car las weekend, yeah it is cool! ceryblizz, how come u got so many free goodies hah? The salesman onli promise me free tinted. One more thing, anyone, pls let me knw if installing 17 inch alloy rims will effect the the ps?

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  • xstan (Member) on Jan 19, 2009 at 9:53 am

    Been driving my sis new Vios as against mine 2nd Gen City, discover that Vios really floaty on road & scream after 110km/h. Pretty noisy engine for such classification. I tot media reviewrs mentioned on Vios noisiness was merely becoz thier eras was sensitive..but is really irritating to my ear. So I placed the most noisiest ride even while driving at town. Hhhhmmm…

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 19, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    gods twin said,
    January 17, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

    Sorry forgot to include the race between the vios(me) and volvo S60(my boss) i was trying my luck with on my way back from Tg Malim to Taiping. The S60 is 1 hell of a machine though, All in we covered 190km in 1 hour 18 mins. Using north south highway at 3 am. speed averaging 180 – 190.
    __________________________________________________________________________
    gods twin said,
    January 17, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

    Guys

    1 request, when you guys are posting a comment on the ride and quality of a car, pls do drive the particular car before commenting, dont post a comment based on your favorite brand. Many malaysians now adays do thier reserach online before buying a car esp this forum.

    Firstly, i read some where up there that many complain that tht the new vios is a lump of shit, Well i would have to totally disagree.Interms of ride and comfort, the new vios is much better the new city plus the toyota after service is just amazing.I have driven the new vios up to speeds of 205 – 210(not sure of the exact speed as the meter is only printed to200, the needle when past 200 mark, racing a waja cps and a satria neo. i was shocked when i saw the spedo. i can prove this as the police has sent me a love letter stating the speed i got tangkap bash was at 206. when it comes to highway driving, the the vios surely can satisfy your urge for speed not the city. BUT, if you are the kind of a person who enjoys the twist and bends, forget bout the vios, it will send you to the grave. City is the hero in here, i have droven my fiances new city on e ulu yam road, think they shold change the name to honda country side rather honda city. the car was so much fun and civilized on the corners, coupled wit e paddle shift and shift control, The only word is wow. For a moment though i thought i was driving the NSX-hehe. the moment you hit 5000 revs, you will be blasted with 120 stalions. But on the highway have to say its a let down.

    Verdict : Vios anytime on the highway, City ,when you leave city.
    Vios:
    Comfort ride, good resale value, reliability and if you want to chase a Waja CPS or the Neo or S60 go for the Vios.

    City: design, Features, Performance and the NSX wannabees

    Both has a strong point for the current economic climate, good discounts by the car companies and most of all, They sip petrol and put on a smile on the face where it most matters,
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    This is for all those out there who doubted that the Vios can hit such high speeds. Good post Gods twin! I have the older 2003 Vios and this was easier to hit higher speeds as its lighter than the 2007 model.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 19, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    piggygrace said,
    January 18, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

    2) the overdrive ratio on the highway is great. 120kmh is under 2.5k RPM. cruising on a 1.5L has never felt better.

    __________________________________________________________________________
    Are you sure 120kmph is under 2500 RPM?

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Jan 19, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    why still argue on the top/high speed?

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Jan 19, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    if 2.5K for 120kmph wow must be very save fuel. but some of them said makan minyak abit – 12km per meter wor.

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  • alansmith14 (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 6:25 am

    FanFanHon
    just click on the middle vol select for few second after u choose the channel

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 8:40 am

    jackytiong said,
    January 19, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

    why still argue on the top/high speed?
    ___________________________________________________________________________
    Who said we’re arguing? This is a discussion thats why we have it blog style. Whats wrong with that?

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 8:46 am

    jackytiong said,
    January 19, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

    if 2.5K for 120kmph wow must be very save fuel. but some of them said makan minyak abit – 12km per meter wor
    ___________________________________________________________________________
    Whether the 2500 RPM at 120kmph is true or not, that refers to the crusing speed. Thats the kind of RPM ull reach on highways or anywhere else ure able to reach the 5th gear. But in traffic jams or congested areas, your car will most probably hit maximum 3 or 4th gear. So the gear ratios at those RPM levels will determine the fuel consumption.

    Remember that fuel consumption is always measured against 2 different scenarios: Urban and Non Urban. Depends which one u refering to. Another big factor is your driving style.

    Cheers!

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  • lonelyfree (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 9:31 am

    To new city driver… aren’t u all when up to speed 140km/h u can feel ur car was seem like unbalance run left and right. especialy when u pass by a lorry. i think is alignment problem. but i checked alignment din run. and when u run up to 90km/h the fell seem like balancing problem, but already do the balancing.. I m driver new city 2009, i din bluf on it.. any new driver complain? Now i changed 17 rim using 205/45/ZR17, running very smooth and good~ any comment?

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  • lonelyfree (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 9:35 am

    that lauzy good year tyre.. 185/55/r16 stranged tyre size…

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  • mavericksam (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 10:01 am

    lonelyfree said,
    January 20, 2009 @ 9:31 am

    To new city driver… aren’t u all when up to speed 140km/h u can feel ur car was seem like unbalance run left and right. especialy when u pass by a lorry. i think is alignment problem. but i checked alignment din run. and when u run up to 90km/h the fell seem like balancing problem, but already do the balancing.. I m driver new city 2009, i din bluf on it.. any new driver complain? Now i changed 17 rim using 205/45/ZR17, running very smooth and good~ any comment?

    __________________________________________________________________________

    Are you just suffering from what it is called “relativity”? If you have studied a bit of Physics, you would know that in these kind of situations when you go past a mass at any speed, there is a relativity energy reacting (sucking at each other so to speak) which only magnifies with speed. thus explains the solar system theory and so fourth. An example would be sitting in an idle car (kancil would be a good choice for its lightweightedness) and try waiting for a car to zoom past at a high speed and you will feel you are being pulled to wherever the car had zoomed past.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 10:22 am

    But the question is does he only feel this when he passes a heavy vehicle or at other times also. This is not clearly stated.

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  • BladeTech (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    I strongly agreed with what lonelyfree said about the floating of car at 140 km/hr speed. I’m also one of the new city driver..that phenomenon not only happen when the car passed by other vehicle and this not because of the fluid mechanics factors. I start to worry now when lonelyfree said it waas not a allignmnt or balancing factor. I speed up to 140 km/hr without any other vehicle in vicinity but still it floats so much. I called my dealer the said it was balancing issue..sigh..dunnolah..i’ll wait until i hit the first 1000km.

    Still studying the tyre factors..anyway..the sound system is so damn good! My civic’s friend was in the car and he value city sound system is much better than his 1.8 civic..dunno..that’s was from him not me..never been in the civic..so far that floatiing issue is my concern..others…hope for good reability dan durability.

    Wallahualam..cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    I believe this issue should not happen with the new City since its heavier than the older version and surely heavier than the Vios. Tyres wont play a major role in this issue unless its during heavy rain. But on a clear road with normal wind loads and no heavy vehicles, it should not float. 140kmph is not really that fast to experience such a phenomenon. If the balancing and allignment is ok, then the problem could lie with either the chasis or the suspension.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    BladeTech, is the RPM at 120kmph around 2500? Can u confirm?

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  • gods twin (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Dear LonelyFree,

    The floating problem is a very common problem in jipun brands. Any car that is design for the entry level will suffer from this phenomenon,

    1. The weight of the car is relatively light, it might be heavier then the previous version or vios but when it comes to relativity its is still light, That is why many european brand opt for a 50:50 or 60:40 weight distribution. Entry level cars are heavier on the front, naturally the back will start to float at high speeds.

    2.The tires it self plays an important role, the 175 sized tires fitted to vios/city sized cars tends to get aroused at high speed and starts to float as the is not much weight pushing the tires down at this speed. you can rectify this by installing stabilizer bars and/or opting for a 195.

    3. Get your car checked for its absorbers, i know you would be saying that its a brand new car and its less then 1000km. but trust me sometimes manufacturing defects does happen, i got mine changed at 5000km it was leaking on the inside.

    This are just my, 2cents based on driving various model of jipuns and euros

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  • Powerofdream (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Hi All, new user here

    After i read the whole forum about this honda city. I got plenty of question would like to ask your about this new baby city… Maybe the only person can answer my question will be the one who driving this new baby right now.

    1. Below 2500rpm can go up to 120-125km/ph??

    2. Ride on the city is comfortable but try avoiding deep potholes. The backside of the car “feels” heavy like a hatchback would behave when going over speedhumps at high speeds. It is true?

    3. How long do we need to take the new car as this new baby is quite popular in the market? Some of them said 3 months, some said 1 to 2 months.

    4. is it true when drive up to speed 140km/h can feel the car was seem like unbalance run left and right?

    5. Easily feel floating when drive over 110km/h?

    6. Some people complaint about the gear not as smooth as Toyota Vios, is it true?

    7. Which dealer having a best deal in town? going to buy within this month.

    Really appreciate if you guys can answer above question. I still confuse within Vios and Honda. Logically, Honda specs, interior, exterior and speed is much much better than vios. But Vios is definitely reliable and one of the tip top quality car.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Powerofdreams,
    I am a Toyota man and i drive the 2003 Vios. I usually take a keen interest in cars especially Toyota and Honda makes. Ive test driven the new City plus done my research online. Based on the current choice of vehicles, the Honda City is a much better choice compared to the current Vios model (which i dont quite like).

    But as a rule of thumb: Never buy a new car model within the first 4-6 months of launch. This is to allow you to get reviews from those who have already bought and you will know exactly what ure getting into. Every car will have some negative points which wont be seen on the surface and even during 10min test drives. Unless u dont already have a car, please dont be blinded into buying early. Waiting a few more months wont hurt.

    I would also wait till i see the new Peogeot model coming in the next 2 months. I was told that Honda rushed to launch the new City before the peogeot came out because this model was believed to be capable of challenging the new City. Must be worth waiting for it.

    Cheers!

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  • xstan (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Yes..Peugeot 308 shd launched this week, I heard. Could be competitive pricing. I look forward too…& saw many teaser advert in papers.

    Anyway..any new car launch will tend to face new hicup’s problem. Especially the new batches. Even the new Vios got rattling door window till today. My fellow colleague a Service Mgr with Toyota also agreed the there is still minor problems with Vios in view of the regular complaints. Psst..he drove Honda Civic & luv it over Altis. He swap car with wife to work.

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  • xstan (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Anyway..for new City owners, do read ur manual. U R avisable not to rev hard ur car for 1st 1,000km.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    xstan said,
    January 20, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

    Anyway..for new City owners, do read ur manual. U R avisable not to rev hard ur car for 1st 1,000km.
    __________________________________________________________________________
    ALL car makers advise this. Its common. But rev hard is different from speeding. Most ppl think that first 1k you cant go beyond 80kmph. This is not accurate. The 1K mileage barrier is to allow your engine to ‘settle’. So you should not go for hard exceleration but gradually going up to and cruising at 120kmph is fine. But going beyond 120kmph is tot advisable. The run in period is important factor in your engine’s overall life.

    Always remember that prior to delivery, your car has already gone thru vigorous testing which includes the high speed road test. Your car is not coming directly from the assembly plant robots to your showroom.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    The new peogeot model to be launched is not the 307 but the 308 1.6L. I heard the pricing will be competitive to the new City because its a CKD model. Plus this model has got 6 airbags, auto cruise, plus some other features which are not found in the City. Even though its a hatchback but the interior width of the car is more than the Honda Civic which makes it really spacious.

    Surely worth a wait.

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  • franson_CE (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    yes. 100kmh is nearly 2100 rpm only. so 110 kmh to 120 kmh confirm below 2500rpm. regarding the floating issue, I have sat into my friend’s new Honda City and new toyota vios too. seriously, both car starting at around 120kmh will have the floating issue.

    I agree with gods twin. The weight of the vios and city are relatively light. The back will start to float at high speeds

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  • xstan (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Uuuuh….the outgoing 2nd gen City IDSI record below 2,500rpm when cruising 110km/h. I know Vios’s rpm is below 3,000rpm while at 110km/h. Latio (just last week cruising at highway) at 3,000rpm at 110km/h but then of 1.6L engine placement.

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  • lonelyfree (Member) on Jan 20, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    BladeTech= i alignment in honda 2 times and outside 1 time…
    at last change rim and tyre.. i think if use back rim and using 205/50R16 tyre may be can.. but the ori rim is 6J. dunno fix or not…

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 21, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    The following are some of the specs of the upcoming Peugeot 308 due for launch on 29 Jan 09:

    1) 9 airbags including side window airbags
    2) ABS, EBFD, BA, ESP, ASR AND DSC (all safety systems)
    3) Intelligent Lighting
    4) Directional Lighting
    5) Auto Headlamps
    6) Auto windshield wiper
    7) Max speed – 225kmph
    8) 1.6L DOHC 175HP enginer
    9) 0-100kmph in 8.3 secs
    10) RT4 multimedia entertainment system
    11) JBL Audiosystem
    12) Handsfree GSM phone
    13) Onboard GPS navigation system

    Im not a salesman but i think it would be interesting to see how the sales do with this new model.

    Cheers!

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  • asyraff_2004 (Member) on Jan 22, 2009 at 11:47 am

    if those are the 308 specs, i think the price is higher than the new city since it falls into different category here; more luxury and greater performance. i predict the price should be rm100k++. i might be changing my mind to order the new 308 due to its spec and looks, but after thinking of peugeot’s second hand value, i’ll stick to my decision of buying the city.

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  • mavericksam (Member) on Jan 22, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    cybermaster, think you’ve got some form of miscommunication.
    first of all, the 308 VTi version DOES NOT produce 175HP ( only 120 HP in fact) the 308 THP which is a 1.6L Turbo is a detuned version of the Mini Cooper engine and it only produces 140 HP. The 175 HP figure comes from the Mini Cooper or the 308GT. Max speed is all off. and some of the accessories you have mentioned is for the GT version. the 29 Jan launch is only for the 308 Vti and THP versions. GT has been around already.

    Anyway this is a City discussion. but yes, it does give me some points to ponder between a city or a 308.

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  • cardreamer (Member) on Jan 22, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Hi everybody,
    Test drove a new City yesterday…my comments:

    1. Too many plastics (hard ones)
    2. Dashboard looks simple, not matching its price (thanks to the tax)
    3. Looks good, but not for tall driver…i am not too tall, but i bump my head at the ceiling beam upon entering the driver’s sit…ouchh hurt man…
    4. Engine not as quite as i expected.
    5. Trnsmission not as smooth as expected.

    I’ve driven a nissan sentra and a suzuki swift. I would recommend those who are looking for car at this price range to have a try on those two cars (apart from vios, never had a chance for it)…

    Compared to City:
    Nissan sentra is lot smoother, engine is very smooth and quieter and the transmission is better. handling is better (rear multilink) and material quality is better and even more spacios. The only thing is low 2nd value and outdated looks.

    Paul Tan says: Sentra’s rear is torsion beam, only the Nismo version has multilink.

    Suzuki swift is very fun to drive, engine very quite and transmission is better than city. very smooth. Handling is, as said, fun and good. Material quality is also better. Interior design is also better. Only it is ‘smaller’, and being a suzuki…2nd value bit low…but it is a good car overall compared to city.

    I even think Kia Rondo is better in terms of material and accessories and space. others may be on par…but city is a car of course…

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 22, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    mavericksam said,
    January 22, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

    cybermaster, think you’ve got some form of miscommunication.
    first of all, the 308 VTi version DOES NOT produce 175HP ( only 120 HP in fact) the 308 THP which is a 1.6L Turbo is a detuned version of the Mini Cooper engine and it only produces 140 HP. The 175 HP figure comes from the Mini Cooper or the 308GT. Max speed is all off. and some of the accessories you have mentioned is for the GT version. the 29 Jan launch is only for the 308 Vti and THP versions. GT has been around already.

    Anyway this is a City discussion. but yes, it does give me some points to ponder between a city or a 308.
    __________________________________________________________________________
    If u read my post correctly, the only mistake i might have made is assuming the info is for the upcoming model. Thats why i only said 308 not VTI, GI or THP or whatever. But the info above is 100% true for whatever model it represents including the top speed. This info came from the brochure itself on the official Peugeot webpage.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 22, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Cardreamer,

    As ive mentioned a few times, kindly compare cars within the same category. There is no point comparing a car in the 1.5L segment with a car in the 1.6L segment. If you wanna compare with a Sentra then pls use the Civic as a benchmark. Compare an apple for an apple.

    Is the Nissan Sentra the same price as a City? What about the Suzuki? They’re both more expensive hence why they can afford to give you better specs. Its simple logic. Thats why ppl dont compare cars within different segments because price is a major factor in determining the specs you get.

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  • mavericksam (Member) on Jan 22, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    cybermaster98 said,
    January 22, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

    If u read my post correctly, the only mistake i might have made is assuming the info is for the upcoming model. Thats why i only said 308 not VTI, GI or THP or whatever. But the info above is 100% true for whatever model it represents including the top speed. This info came from the brochure itself on the official Peugeot webpage.

    Cheers!
    __________________________________________________________________________

    Noted. Just that I hope that the peps out here are not confused between all these. Anyway realized that the info on the website are meant for 308GT and not the VTi and THP versions as it differs from the hard copy brochure gotten from Nasim.

    Cheers!

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  • xstan (Member) on Jan 22, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Everything about Sentra is old…the dash, the design, the HUGE back hump (no flat floor) etc..its a good car no doubt but spaciouness loose to City especially the leg room. It loose in offerings of a modern car offer by City, adjustable rear seats, 3 way adjustment of driver front, telescopic steerig, digital audio, under rear seat space, rear air-cont vent (at the bottom of the rear seats), security system for forceful break, 5 speed tranny , water proof seats & whole lots more.

    I do like teh driving agility of Swift Sedan. But real bad point is ..the rear seats comfort. Really acward. Seat at the side, tall guy like me has to tilt the head or will hit the pillar & there is huge hump (no flat floor), it sit high up & the front A pillar block the side view very much. I do like its centre dash with auto climate a plus. But felt its not as smooth as the driving of City. Just my take.

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  • piggygrace (Member) on Jan 22, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    lonelyfree said,

    January 20, 2009 @ 9:31 am

    To new city driver… aren’t u all when up to speed 140km/h u can feel ur car was seem like unbalance run left and right. especialy when u pass by a lorry. i think is alignment problem. but i checked alignment din run. and when u run up to 90km/h the fell seem like balancing problem, but already do the balancing.. I m driver new city 2009, i din bluf on it.. any new driver complain? Now i changed 17 rim using 205/45/ZR17, running very smooth and good~ any comment?

    _________________________________________________________________________

    Hi there, i faced this problem when i first drove my new city. It was floating when I hit more than 120kph. It’s as if I can’t control the steering well, making it go left n right non stop when I’m on high speed.

    Thus I decided to check the air pressure of my tyres and found that they pumped up my tyres to more than 500kpascal. I had to readjust them to 240 in order not to feel the “floating” feeling. Maybe you new drivers of City 2009 can try my way.

    Cybermasters98: Yes, confirmed when you hit the highway and cruise at 120kph, it’s below 2500rpm. When I hit 140kph, it just touches 3000rpm.

    I have been driving it for almost 2 weeks. So far I think it’s a great car to cruise in the city. Living it up for its name – CITY.

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  • piggygrace (Member) on Jan 22, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Powerofdream said,

    January 20, 2009 @ 2:15 pm

    Hi All, new user here,

    After i read the whole forum about this honda city. I got plenty of question would like to ask your about this new baby city… Maybe the only person can answer my question will be the one who driving this new baby right now.

    1. Below 2500rpm can go up to 120-125km/ph??
    Confirmed. When you are cruising in highway.

    2. Ride on the city is comfortable but try avoiding deep potholes. The backside of the car “feels” heavy like a hatchback would behave when going over speedhumps at high speeds. It is true?
    avoid potholes because the rims are 16″, you don’t wanna stratch them do you?

    3. How long do we need to take the new car as this new baby is quite popular in the market? Some of them said 3 months, some said 1 to 2 months.
    depends which dealer and which town you are booking your car. Heard from my friend in Ipoh that it takes less than 2 months to get your car. As for KL, it’s up to 4-5 months waiting list now.

    4. is it true when drive up to speed 140km/h can feel the car was seem like unbalance run left and right?
    unbalanced feeling can be attributed to road surface, inproperly inflated tires

    5. Easily feel floating when drive over 110km/h?
    the floating feeling is a very subjective matter again, for say, if you have lived with a kancil your whole life and you speed 120kmh every single day, you will not find the kancil “floating” cuz one is already used to the feeling. once again you cant compared a city to a merz. IMHO, the car feels properly planted to the ground. the floating feeling could be attributed to the heavy backside that the city has. going over uneven road surfaces (like the back of a camel) will make the car floaty.

    6. Some people complaint about the gear not as smooth as Toyota Vios, is it true?
    never driven a vios. but the gear shifts in the city are drive by wire and it requires a bit of getting used too at first. after awhile, one will not feel the “unsmoothness” of the gear shifts as its how the car behaves. due to the fact that the city has two different overdrive gear ratios to increase fuel efficiency, you will find that the gear sorts of shifts up and down when it is going up a hill
    to counter that, one can engage the S mode to use the paddle shifts to control gear shifting.

    7. Which dealer having a best deal in town? going to buy within this month.
    Hmm, the one i bought from is at jln. TAR, KL. They only gave me an umbrella, some freebies and a VKool tinting voucher.

    Really appreciate if you guys can answer above question. I still confuse within Vios and Honda. Logically, Honda specs, interior, exterior and speed is much much better than vios. But Vios is definitely reliable and one of the tip top quality car.
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    my answers to your above questions are in bold. Just a little opinion from me since I”ve been driving it since 9th January… =)

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  • cardreamer (Member) on Jan 23, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Mr Paultan, thank you for your correction. All the while i thought sentra is rear multilink because it handles very good.

    Cybermaster98 Sir, Sorry for that. Just giving my opinion that those looking for car should test drive others as well. Their prices may not be the same, exactly, but perhaps not too far from each other. If a 1.6 is slightly pricier than a 1.5 with better chracteristics, why not to take it as an option right? A Sentra is priced at 86k to 90k OTR. Just about the same. A Suzuki swift is priced at 73k to 109k OTR depending on specs. Just in range as well.

    A civic and a sentra is way too far to compare as to the city, i think.

    And by the way, Proton Waja too handles far better than the city. Only the build quality is the issue. Perhaps if Proton can produce a good build quality cars, i bet that Proton can really be a serious contender to the japs….

    just my two cents…cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 23, 2009 at 9:02 am

    Cardreamer,
    Yes i understand. Didnt realise the Sentra is priced below 100K now.

    As for the proton Waja, i agree that the handling is better than the City. My dad bought a Waja Campro mid 2007 and it handles really well. I think the build quality has improved tremendously since the days of the Wira. Till now there are no squeeks or rattling sounds unlike previous Proton models.

    Plus the interior is better with dark leather seats, dual airbags, etc and it was only going for RM59K (OTR) which was a good buy compared to the amount you fork out for a Vios or a City. Only thing is the seats arent comfortable and it drinks petrol. But its quite stable on long highway drives. Specs wise it would lose out to the City but if ure merely looking for a medium range cheap car for city driving and the occasional long distance then the Waja would be nice.

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Jan 24, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    what?! waja 60K handling better than 90K city? what we pay the 30K for?

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  • Powerofdream (Member) on Jan 25, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Dear all,

    Thanks for all your opinions and comments previously about the City. Really appreciated!! But in the end, i bought Honda Civic because i found few problem to Honda city which i tested drive for three times in different showroom recently

    1. Gear shift lagging problem, when the gear automatically switch to 3rd gear. (Honda salesman also complaint). What a joke, he ask me to go for 4th Generation Honda City which come with CVT technology. (Mean 2nd hand)

    2. No automatic door locking system. By manually.

    3. Your petrol fuel cover can open easy by manually pressing the cover. feel a bit risk cause someone can easily burn your car though the petrol fuel hole.

    Please correct me if i am wrong. I love civic, but because budget issue i only consider city or vios. In the end, i make my final decision on Civic…

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  • Powerofdream (Member) on Jan 25, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Dear all,

    Thanks for all your opinions and comments previously about the City. Really appreciated!! But in the end, i bought Honda Civic because i found few problem to Honda city which i tested drive for three times in different showroom recently

    -Gear shift lagging problem, when the gear automatically switch to 3rd gear. (Honda salesman also complaint). What a joke, he ask me to go for 4th Generation Honda City which come with CVT technology. (Mean 2nd hand)

    -No automatic door locking system. By manually.

    -Your petrol fuel cover can open easy by manually pressing the cover. feel a bit risk cause someone can easily burn your car though the petrol fuel hole.

    Please correct me if i am wrong. I love civic, but because budget issue i only consider city or vios. In the end, i make my final decision on Civic…

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Jan 25, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    R u saying when driving he car the gear auto switch back to 3rd gear?

    all 3 showroom car as well?

    the petrol fuel cover can be lock at driver side.

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  • king (Member) on Jan 26, 2009 at 5:06 am

    mr.cybermaster….

    pls stop barking and accuse ppl of copy cat comments la. give me you address and i can drive a vios to your house anytime. No one is using it anyway. You talk as though the dugong is a luxury car that only few ppl have driven it before. Pls la…vios is as common as wira nowadays.

    my family got a vios and i only talk based on my own experience. if you don’t like it thats too bad. ppl here are free to comment as long its related to topic and not rubbish.

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  • king (Member) on Jan 26, 2009 at 5:26 am

    gods twin,

    i would like to see your speeding ticket for hitting 206kmh. Cos as far as i am concerned, i tested the vios speedo to be highly inaccurate up to as much as 15% over rated. So when speedo shows 180kmh, real speed is actually about 155kmh only. Maybe you were travelling with some downhill/slipstream help?

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  • julian-lee (Member) on Jan 26, 2009 at 11:49 am

    i prefer toyota

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  • Powerofdream (Member) on Jan 26, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    Jackytiong,

    No… when come to 3rd gear, obviously the gear shifting to 4th gear is a bit lagging… Not as smooth as civic, i know it is different kind of model. But I don’t wish to get trouble since civic is my dream car…

    By the way.

    Thanks

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 1:19 am

    Thanks! maybe i should try it on my own. :) But i tot the DBW will not let you feel the gear change and feel smooth.
    Yup everyone have the prefer brand and also his budget. When come to choice , they have rights to select and comment.
    But i hate ppl drive fast and causing danger to others driver.

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 1:22 am

    http://bangkokpost.net/281108_Motoring/28Nov2008_motor62.php

    this link tell you what to go.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 8:35 am

    king said,
    January 26, 2009 @ 5:06 am

    mr.cybermaster….

    pls stop barking and accuse ppl of copy cat comments la. give me you address and i can drive a vios to your house anytime. No one is using it anyway. You talk as though the dugong is a luxury car that only few ppl have driven it before. Pls la…vios is as common as wira nowadays.

    my family got a vios and i only talk based on my own experience. if you don’t like it thats too bad. ppl here are free to comment as long its related to topic and not rubbish.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    You obviously cannot read or have very poor english because my comments are always in reference of the 2003 Vios and never on the Dugong Vios. Kindly read carefully before commenting further.

    As for your comments earlier, you’re obviously not talking from experience since u drive a Wira 1.5. Your family may own a Vios but driving a car once in a while is similar to getting a test drive. You wont know much. So please leave the real comments to those who actually own a particular model and drive often.

    I respect those who have gone for test drives and only comment based on their test drives only. They dont claim to know everything about the car but leave room for others to judge. That’s the right way.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 8:44 am

    mr.cybermaster….

    pls stop barking and accuse ppl of copy cat comments la. give me you address and i can drive a vios to your house anytime. No one is using it anyway. You talk as though the dugong is a luxury car that only few ppl have driven it before. Pls la…vios is as common as wira nowadays.

    my family got a vios and i only talk based on my own experience. if you don’t like it thats too bad. ppl here are free to comment as long its related to topic and not rubbish.
    ___________________________________________________________________________
    You obviously must have trouble understanding English. I said (and always have said) that i own a Toyota Vios 2003 model and hence my comments are based on this model and not the Dugong. Kindly get your facts right.

    Yes i agree ppl are free to comment as long as its not rubbish. Check your comments first. If im not mistaken you have a Wira 1.5 so i doubt you would be an authority to comment on a Vios despite having a Vios in your family. Occasional driving is similar to a test drive. You wont know everything about the car. So pls do leave your salesman comments at the door.

    I respect many of the bloggers here who test drove the City and gave very good comments. They did not claim to know everything and yet left alot of room for others to comment and judge for themselves. That’s the right way.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 9:32 am

    jackytiong said,
    January 24, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

    what?! waja 60K handling better than 90K city? what we pay the 30K for?
    ___________________________________________________________________________
    Yes the handling is slightly better because of the additional weight. But then again the Waja Campro comes with Lotus handling anyway.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 9:44 am

    jackytiong said,
    January 24, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

    what?! waja 60K handling better than 90K city? what we pay the 30K for?
    __________________________________________________________________________
    Well for one thing, Waja is a heavier car plus its supposedly tuned to Lotus handling.

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  • NJ_Motors (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Any one planning to buy the new honda city ?… coz i’m thinking about cancelling my booking,… i’ve booked 2 months b4 the launch,… bold beige colour,… suppose to get it in february,.. anybody interested please email me,… [email protected]

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  • gods twin (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    king said,
    January 26, 2009 @ 5:26 am

    gods twin,

    i would like to see your speeding ticket for hitting 206kmh. Cos as far as i am concerned, i tested the vios speedo to be highly inaccurate up to as much as 15% over rated. So when speedo shows 180kmh, real speed is actually about 155kmh only. Maybe you were travelling with some downhill/slipstream help?
    —————————————————————
    Where on earth did you get that idea from, this is the worst form of bashing, you bash everyting from toyota so much till you dont realize that your are posting stupid comments here. On earth every car that is on ther road today has to go for a calibration test with puspokam b4 it hits the raod. According to you, vios 180km = 155km which show a diffrent of 25km. So LOGICLY spaeking, if the speedo is showing 25km, according to your theory the car should be at a stands still position. wa lau weh… this clearly shows your high experience of driving vios or any other car. If what you claim is right, then every malaysian who drive a vios sue the ass out of toyota. Funny.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Good point made Gods Twin! He posts without using logic. I would like to know how he measured the so called 180kmph = 155kmph.

    King, would u like to elaborate on your teory?

    Cheers

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  • lithzx (Member) on Jan 28, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    jackytiong said,

    January 24, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

    what?! waja 60K handling better than 90K city? what we pay the 30K for?

    ——————————————————————

    Erm… Tax?… No?

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 29, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    New launched today:
    Peugeot 308 VTi 1.6L is RM96,500 (OTR)
    Peugeot 308 Turbo 1.6L is RM 111,000 (OTR)

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  • cardreamer (Member) on Jan 29, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Hi all,

    Back from langkawi this weekend. Drove a rented vios (previous model) for two days and the third day drove a waja.

    Here are the results:

    1. Waja is definitely a winner in ride and handling category. hands down. Waja is firmer on the road and back suspension is great. You can feel the back side following the road surface. whereas Vios is nice to drive but you can’t ‘feel’ the driving experience…especially while cornering at speeds..Waja is also more spacious than vios.

    2. Vios is good in NVH compared to waja. more silent ride (surface harshness is well eliminated from cabin, whereas in waja you can hear the tyre to surface sound penetrating into cabin, a bit harsh sound…interior colour of vios and material quality is better of course…

    overall, i would like to put the interior of vios into a waja platform and enjoy!

    If Proton ever to stop producing Waja, I am so sorry for that. They have superb car platform, the only thing is to improve on the body styling and material/build quality. And i will definitely go for Proton!

    Read also my previous comments comparing a new City with a waja. New City can’t beat waja in ride and handling as well….

    Proton, please do not stop waja production. you will waste all you have invested…make a new waja!

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  • king (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 1:05 am

    gods twin,

    pls read properly or check your eyesight 1st before bashing. I said the speedo is off the mark by around 15%. So if your meter was showing 25kmh, then actual speed would be about 25 x 85% = 21.25kmh.

    like that also you cannot understand? now i seriously doubt that your vios can travel up to 206kmh.

    don’t just be a blind toyota fanboy….i suggest u do the easiest test. Drive at 110kmh and compare with 2 other friends in different cars at the same time.
    Or….just drive through those tolled highways with speed monitors eg: kerinchi link. Then you know what i mean. Of course…you need to be using stock standard rims and tyres.

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  • king (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 1:20 am

    Look cybermaster,

    1st of all i do not drive a wira 1.5. What I drive doesn’t even matter. I was just giving an example about vios being as common as wira.

    So don’t accuse ppl without evidence. “If i am not mistaken, you are a toyota salesman from puchong branch”. You like or not if i accuse you like that? No right?

    Next, i was referring to the pre-facelift vios that i drive occasionally, not vios Junk aka dugong which i never drove before but what the heck its the same engine and gearbox.

    peace

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  • king (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 1:26 am

    oops…

    i read the earlier post and you did claim to be a toyota man….only not a toyota salesman…

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  • king (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 2:40 am

    One thing i don’t understand is why a toyata man keeps bragging about driving his vios at 200kmh with 2 fingers and another toyota fanboy that claim his vios can reach 210+ kmh.

    Next there could be someone claiming his vios J can reach 250kmh driving with only 1 finger. Nobody gives a damn actually.
    Driving with 1 finger or 2 finger at 200kmh doesn’t prove that the vios is stable or not. It proves nothing….except you stupidity and that you are no better than a mat rempit doing a superman stunt at 160kmh in cheras highway…endangering others and his own worthless life.

    People here are interested in the honda city and not the top speed stunt of your toyota.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 9:36 am

    Mr. King,

    First of all u need to READ and UNDERSTAND the posts here. Then u gotta remember not to exagerate. Mentioning once or twice about driving at 200kmph is not called bragging. Its called stating a point for people like you to understand and comprehend.

    Again read my posts. I said even at 200kmph, the car felt stable. Of course this will not be the case in rain or if i blew a tyre. And mind you i have only hit such speeds twice in the last 5.5 years with the last being 4 years ago.

    You did not just give an example of a Vios being as common as a Wira. You claimed i was talking like the Vios Dugong was a luxury car when all my comments on driving were based on the 2003 model. Again read the posts carefully.

    So you measured the speed of the car in comparison with 2 other cars travelling parallel to each other? Is this how you came to the conclusion that the Vios speed is off by 15%? If so, kindly tell me which 2 cars you compared with and where exactly you did this measurement. Please think carefully before answering this part as the credibility of your future posts depend on this.

    You have a hard time understanding posts here. Every post here is meant to be taken in comparison with previous posts. So kindly refrain from picking out single posts and commenting till kingdom come. Learn to understand the posts and their meanings in general before u allow rubbish into your comments. You are a reflection of what you say.

    Cheers!

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 9:41 am

    king said,
    January 30, 2009 @ 1:26 am

    oops…

    i read the earlier post and you did claim to be a toyota man….only not a toyota salesman…
    __________________________________________________________________________
    Again another case of either poor command of english or merely a refusal to understand. When did i ever say that i am NOT a Toyota man? I have proudly said that i am a toyota man many times in this blog. The only thing i said previously (which could have contributed to your poor understanding) was that i own a Vios 2003 model and not the Vios Dugong. Of course i still fail to understand who you could combine these 2 statements and come up with 1 illogical one of your own.

    Haha! You really need lessons.

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  • xstan (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 11:08 am

    I luv reading debates especially from both King & Cyber. Both got ur points.

    BTW, just to add 1 discovery. The missing auto lock in New City is due to the new motion security system. Look up at the map light lies 2 small detector sensor.
    It is meant to detect motion & movement in the car as well as anti wondow breakage or sort. If its with auto lock while dirving , it will triger the alarm as it detect movement in the car. So 1 can only manually lock it. Even remote lock from ur remote will start activate the system.
    Thus explain the missing autolock as explain by the Senior SE.
    Sacrifice the auto lock for better enhanced secutity system.

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  • Powerofdream (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Thanks Xstan, I also think that this new baby city without auto lock system due to the security motion. By the way, the outlook is good, but the interior not really nice. Plus those unexpected gear shift problem, really convince me to pay additional for my dream car (Civic).

    King & Cyber, that’s no point we make argument here because this is public forum website, when the new baby born, first we should make a test drive then comment it. Not just scolding around. I always stand in between, Both King and Cyber got their own point too. Just that we should reply nicely even unreasonable or unacceptable answer. That’s the way i treat people nicely, people also treat me nicely. Just wish you guys remember one word “We make correction on people mistake”. When begin this forum, we are already friend.

    Always stay happy :) !!!

    Cheers!!

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  • gods twin (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Dear King according to you on 26th jan
    ———- would like to see your speeding ticket for hitting 206kmh. Cos as far as i am concerned, i tested the vios speedo to be highly inaccurate up to as much as 15% over rated. So when speedo shows 180kmh, real speed is actually about 155kmh only. Maybe you were travelling with some downhill/slipstream help?———————–

    and then on 30th jan
    ————–pls read properly or check your eyesight 1st before bashing. I said the speedo is off the mark by around 15%. So if your meter was showing 25kmh, then actual speed would be about 25 x 85% = 21.25kmh———-

    Where on earth did you get such and idea of car makers trying to overate thier speedo, Up on your post you mention tht the vios speedo to be highly inaccurate up to as much as 15% over rated. So when speedo shows 180kmh, real speed is actually about 155kmh only .And then you geniously claimed that speedo is off the mark by around 15%. So if your meter was showing 25kmh, then actual speed would be about 25 x 85% = 21.25kmh. So which one is it, “overarted 15%” or “off the mark 15 % “?
    You seem to be enjoying some goldfish syndrome here. Dont just bash cause you dont like IT and make a fool of your self here. Its a kind request. Somewhere up there you had said you had never driven the newer version vios, you assumed that its the same engine and what ever knot, please do some research before bashing again, old engine yes, but upgraded tranny, older version vios needs to replaced TF at 40k newer ones at 80k, and it has a totally diffrent intake system and comes with EPS,ABS,EBD and BA. the driving experience is diffrent la fren.
    Drive first bash later. Oh ya go get a LASIK.

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  • gods twin (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Guys this is a honda city thread, sorry if we had “keluar tajuk”. anyway i got another oppourtunity to drive the city for CNY balik kampung. It surely is a better car than the vios in the handling segment. And the best part was all the kampungities turn around and looked at me and the car as we passed by them. It was like a they are waiting for a late VVIP. Trust me in was once ina life time feeling, Thank to my fiance who borrowed me the car.the boot space i have to say, its huge. wonder if it can fit my mother in law.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    I think anybody will look if its a new car. I got the same looks when i first bought the first generation Vios. But some cars still get the looks like the Proton Juara. Haha!

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  • xstan (Member) on Jan 30, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    No..the look will stay just like Civic. It will never go outdated. Dashing & will certainly get attention from all. As if Autobots has landed.

    Autobots ..transform.

    If the lamp added with small leds (donno wat u call tat) just like the Audi A4…sure looks to kill.

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  • king (Member) on Jan 31, 2009 at 2:03 am

    gods twin said,
    January 30, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

    Dear King according to you on 26th jan
    ———- would like to see your speeding ticket for hitting 206kmh. Cos as far as i am concerned, i tested the vios speedo to be highly inaccurate up to as much as 15% over rated. So when speedo shows 180kmh, real speed is actually about 155kmh only. Maybe you were travelling with some downhill/slipstream help?———————–

    and then on 30th jan
    ————–pls read properly or check your eyesight 1st before bashing. I said the speedo is off the mark by around 15%. So if your meter was showing 25kmh, then actual speed would be about 25 x 85% = 21.25kmh———-

    Where on earth did you get such and idea of car makers trying to overate thier speedo, Up on your post you mention tht the vios speedo to be highly inaccurate up to as much as 15% over rated. So when speedo shows 180kmh, real speed is actually about 155kmh only .And then you geniously claimed that speedo is off the mark by around 15%. So if your meter was showing 25kmh, then actual speed would be about 25 x 85% = 21.25kmh. So which one is it, “overarted 15%” or “off the mark 15 % “?
    You seem to be enjoying some goldfish syndrome here. Dont just bash cause you dont like IT and make a fool of your self here. Its a kind request. Somewhere up there you had said you had never driven the newer version vios, you assumed that its the same engine and what ever knot, please do some research before bashing again, old engine yes, but upgraded tranny, older version vios needs to replaced TF at 40k newer ones at 80k, and it has a totally diffrent intake system and comes with EPS,ABS,EBD and BA. the driving experience is diffrent la fren.
    Drive first bash later. Oh ya go get a LASIK.

    ______

    pls la gods twin,

    your comments just shows how stupid you are. you must really be a kampung boy….or what the malays call “katak di bawah tempurung”. Go and do some research b4 talking crap here. In UK it was reported b4 that honda had overrated their meter on certain models. they had tested it using GPS.

    Normally a 5% +/- is common…

    If you haven’t heard b4 …go and do some research 1st….rather than bash ppl without facts and talk a whole lot of bullshit and non-sensical crap.

    toyota fanboys are always like that….always overrating their cars without any facts and figures.

    Ooooooh….waaaaaaa….the new 4 speed auto in the dugong is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo advanced and bettter compared to the old vios. Pls don’t make a clown of yourself. A toyota fanboy like you don’t realise how ridiculous your comments can be. Nobody can beat that.

    My advice to you: Go and do research 1st. Alternatively, you can keep quiet so that nobody will know that you are stupid.

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  • king (Member) on Jan 31, 2009 at 2:08 am

    one more thing…even basic english also you cannot understand. you must be robotic…or you have limited vocab.

    off the mark by about 15% and in another instance i use overrated by around 15%.

    Even this also u want to argue about…you must really be free and nothing better to do. Then you better go and do some research 1st. else…..no need to repeat myself.

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  • king (Member) on Jan 31, 2009 at 2:25 am

    cyber….

    another lame thing to argue about…about the toyota man thing.

    what lessons i need some more? english lessons?

    i don’t think so. this is a blog and nobody is required to write in perfect english.

    About the cars you said i measured with. Sometimes i wonder whether you understand me at all or not. I was just asking you to do a simple test. I NEVER said that MY results of 15% overrated in speed is based solely on this test…or even based on this test at all. Read properly la….you always say ppl fail to understand you. But you are also failing to understand ppl. It seems to me its YOU that have a hard time understanding ppl’s post.

    Anyway, i don’t want to waste more time posting about toyota in a honda city topic. Lets stick to the topic shall we?

    cheers

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  • aki_zz (Member) on Jan 31, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    the back looks like the old vios…haha

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Feb 01, 2009 at 3:52 am

    For Autolock – better let it be manual , if run 15kmh only lock , the robber oledi in your car. better lock it manual , practice it.
    The back looks like old vios? the new vios look like waja also at the back hahaha
    Don’t care what ppl said , as long as you like the car. You bought the car for your happiness not for others.

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Feb 01, 2009 at 4:00 am

    Autolock – better let it manual , practice it to lock manually. If let it lock when the car is run at15-20kmh, is already too late ppl jump to your car and rob u.

    New city back look like vios? which generation? got pic? the new vios back look like waja. hahahhaa

    You buy the car you like. you not buying car what others like. So don;t care what ppl said.

    Hate ppl drive fast & cut queue , change lane not give signal.

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  • jackytiong (Member) on Feb 01, 2009 at 4:02 am

    test

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  • nss (Member) on Feb 02, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    I think we need Perotiga or Peroempat who made Honda or Toyota car. So we dont need to pay more 30k. I think everybody will happy with it. Do us want a car with kotak besar dengan 4 roda saje, coz the sunlight is too hot and raining day is too terrible?

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  • zulims (Member) on Feb 02, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    hi guys..just sharing my experience owning a new vios..no complaint at all after 1 1/2 years..n one thing for sure city wont get near to vios in terms of style…mine got gated shift gear maa hehe…cheers cybermaster n david

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  • zulims (Member) on Feb 02, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    test..

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  • franson_CE (Member) on Feb 03, 2009 at 1:59 am

    City wont get near to vios in terms of “STYLE” ?????? haha wonder what kind of “STYLE” from the vios can make the city cant get near..

    and Gated Shift Gear? *sweat* a Proton Waja has it =)

    However, no doubt toyota vios is a good car too. Just the outlook………. =X

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  • franson_CE (Member) on Feb 03, 2009 at 2:00 am

    City wont get near to vios in terms of “STYLE” ?????? haha wonder what kind of “STYLE” from the vios can make the city cant get near..

    and Gated Shift Gear? *sweat* a Proton Waja has it =)

    However, no doubt toyota vios is a good car too. But the outlook………. =X

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  • BladeTech (Member) on Feb 03, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Hi all, seems that comparing things still far from end up…open up your mind everything has pro and cont.

    Just to share my experience driving new city. In my earlier post I was mentioned about the floating phenomenon when it reach 140 km/hr..then after my first 1000km service they do some allignment and balancing, those floating was gone during my journey to JB last weekend. I drove at 150 km/hr smoothly. I’ve yet to try at the higher speed in near future.

    another interesting point to highlight is the fuel efficiency features of this new city. Its cost me only RM100 for the journey from sg buloh to JB and comeback to sg buloh..its pretty good for me, the digital meter shows my drving efficiency was at 12.6 km/liter. the earlier weeks after i got my car the milage about 11.7 km/liter when i drove from Damansara Damai to sg buloh..that dgital meter is very useful and convinient!

    about the gear..yeah..its hard to shift that gear if compare to Perdana, dunno about Vios..maybe a lot more smoother, Honda may need to improve unless they have their own reason to purposely make it hard to shift..how about other owners?

    And i can confirmed at the 120 km/hr rpm is at 2500.

    Wassalam n cheers!

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  • fmaclicious (Member) on Feb 03, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    dear all,

    just wanna share my experience after almost a month driving the new city…

    1. the car does feel floaty at high speed. i was driving from KL to JB the other day and basically the car was swaying from left to right. it was kinda scary. my old satria was never like dat. maybe i need to send to the service center and asked them for their advise.

    2. i noticed when i drive in the ‘S’ mode (using the paddle shift)…the fuel efficiency seems higher compared driving in the normal ‘D’ mode. i once reached 15.0 km/l from KL to Seremban at a speed of 120km. But in town using the ‘S’ mode, the average was 13-14km/l average at a speed of 90-100km (compared to the ‘D’ mode around 12km/l)but .. in a way..i still feel that the car uses a lot of petrol. maybe cos im so used to driving manual cars.

    3. for those who are taking the black color city, u have to be extra careful with ur car because a single dent/scratch can be easily seen compared to the other colors. mine already has two dents but i was able to find a shop in Puchong dat can fix it for u with out repainting (www.dent.com.my)

    those are some of my views so far.

    (PS. If its possible, lets not try and argue wether vios or city is better. it gets really annoying reading people bashing each other. My opinion, it really depends on an individual wether City or Vios. in terms of performance both has its ups and down which is mentioned a million times in this forum)

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  • zulims (Member) on Feb 03, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    agrees with nss..if only those waja comes fr honda or toyota..nobody will argue it’s value for money..after using for 4 years i can’t hardly complaint its driving performance n of course minus the prob on its windows n doors..maybe can rebadge waja as naza does on peugeot haha…hi cybermaster n king…where ru bro..seems quiet n cold here hehe…

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  • BladeTech (Member) on Feb 04, 2009 at 9:51 am

    fmaclicious..quickly go to your service center and fix that floating..its really scary..do a balancing and allignment..its should solve that problem.

    My City is black colour, this paint was developed by KANSAI paint. It is actually a black paint mixed with aluminium flake at undercoat and most probably another pearl layer at topcoat. It is a beautiful colour, its shining under the sun because of that aluminium flakes effect. I already got scratches but I removed it by polishing that particular area. It is not advisable to polish new paint because it will remove the protection layer but what to do..nobody want to see scratches on a new car.

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Feb 04, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Scratches on dark colours are always noticeable regardless of car make. Thats why after driving a black Wira for 2 years i made sure my Vios was a silver. It has got many fine scratches

    Polishing actually puts on a protective layer. I believe the idea of not polishing new cars is because the paint is already new and needs time to properly ‘settle’. But polishing your car at least once every 6 months is advisable. My Vios is 5.5 years old and the paint still looks very new. Many ppl have asked me if i had repainted the car.

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  • youngnhopeless (Member) on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    can any1 confirm me regarding about 1 thing?? if i getting tis city be4 31 march..do i still entiltle for da road tax rebate rm645??..what i know is the rebate gonna end on 31 march

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  • cybermaster98 (Member) on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    I have recently started having a problem with my 2003 Vios. This is the first trouble ive had with the car in the last 5.5 years. Hope someone can offer some advise

    The car is difficult to start (cold or warm start). It usually only starts on the 2nd or 3rd try. The ignition cranks but just doesnt start. This problem started about 1 month ago. I have dismissed the following problems:

    1) Battery – checked and confirmed to be ok
    2) Spark plugs – changed but problem still persists.
    3) Ignition – the engine cranks so cant be the ignition

    The car has been serviced regularly ar Toyota and its in good condition and well maintained by me. I have yet to take it back to Toyota due to time constraints so im hoping someone out there might have some ideas or maybe faced a similar problem.

    Cheers!

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  • youngnhopeless (Member) on Feb 04, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    i would like to double confirm regarding about the road tax rebate rm645…if i getting tis city be4 31march..can i still entitle for it???

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  • agent_nur67 (Member) on Feb 04, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    we have pearl white and red in qatar, ill be getting my pearly 1.5L E on feb 23rd.. second owner of this new city.. my car name will be PeeWee (as in P.W as in Pearl White).. awesome

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  • agent_nur67 (Member) on Feb 04, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    zup to all? we have pearl white in qatar. ill be getting my pearl white this coming feb 23rd.. 2nd owner of this car in this country!

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  • nss (Member) on Feb 10, 2009 at 12:12 am

    I like the areoback city look, name insight in Japan car market,
    http://www.honda.co.jp/INSIGHT/
    wallpaper
    http://www.honda.co.jp/INSIGHT/download/index.html

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  • eriques (Member) on Feb 12, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    You know what, I’ve own 1.6 satria and upset with the quality and its durability. Last year I bought 1.8 civic and I thought all problems regarding car could be solved.
    But now, again very not happy because civic quality also sucks! Same problem with my friend who bought the same car, power window problem, disc brake bengkok, suspension sometimes got small irritating sound, steering turn to anti-clockwise produce sound, bracking (when reverse-forward to get out from parking) also got hard sound, and the most that I worry now is the gear shifting now feel not as smooth as I remember….
    Sucks man! I used to work as Honda Malaysia supplier and seems last time the quality dept was very strict and “rude” to vendors like the are expert in everything regarding car quality, but the results? Sucks man!

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  • fmaclicious —> (PS. If its possible, lets not try and argue wether vios or city is better. it gets really annoying reading people bashing each other. My opinion, it really depends on an individual wether City or Vios. in terms of performance both has its ups and down which is mentioned a million times in this forum)[/quote]

    you are right,

    don't argue,now i'm getting confuse.which one to choose as my first car :)

    my father asked to get this new honda, but for me i would rather choose vios…i think everybody knows that honda is meant for rich ppl..hahahaha..when honda stop by to buy durian they got higher price than others..coz ppl think u r RICH..

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  • well… what can i say …. every people have thier own opinion …. but for the new city owner is the one of the kind… just imagine a 1.5 engine have excellent torque and horse power… plus shift paddle gear … the price well its being assemble in our own country… if it's imported like previous city just imagine the price… the looks ……. it kind a sporty… the interior …is kind of cool …. try it it for your self than u know the diffrent

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  • safian on Apr 12, 2009 at 5:09 am

    not as a owner of the new city…. the car is always good to go

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  • [quote comment="196930"]Wow!!! agreed…. value for money!! dunno proton mpv or 2009 city[/quote]

    better go to establish brand bro. Malaysian car still not reach the level, but If you want support malaysian automotive, Exora is the choice. For me, if we think about value for money or cmfartable, confident, honda city 2009 is the choice.

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  • apel... on May 11, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    want to buy honda city maa….

    dun care about everythinglah…haha

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  • Im keen in buying the City 2009 E spec as my first car.

    The dealer did not give any discount and the interest rate is at 3.5%

    Is the deal worth it?

    Is there any better deal then this in kl for now?

    When i seek for advise from a person, he told that its better to wait until end of this year as people are rushing to book the new city. Maybe later i might get better deal once the hustle is all over. Is that true?

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  • adrian on Jun 26, 2009 at 5:22 am

    Hey guys. To all those ppl who said the new Honda City will thrash the Toyota Vios u better think again. I did say before that even with the new design & specs, The City can give the Vios a run for it money but no way will it beat the Vios in terms of sales. The proof is there. Go read Motor Trader. Vios overall sales for this year is much more compared to City. Even sales for month of May is more than City.

    Honda City can never match ToyotaVios even with their new radical design. I think its the rear end which has again killed the City.

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  • adrian on Jun 26, 2009 at 7:01 am

    by the way i am Cybermaster98

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  • xstan on Jun 26, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    What an ignorant idiot Adrian is…Honda max capacity is only 1,500 units/pmth. They managed to push 1, 600+.

    Toyota max capacity is 3, 500 but push only 2, 400 unit. With so many ugly J(unk) on the road , yet Toyota unable to meet its economy of scale. You tend to see Vios more in kampong area.

    So tell me…who champ here..City or Vios. You want a MANs car or Ladies Car. Your pick.

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  • adrian on Jun 28, 2009 at 12:20 am

    Xstan,

    You obviously come from the kampung. So u see more Vios in kampungs? Such childish remarks. Best u go and check the waiting period for the Honda City before u talk. The Myvi has a long waiting period but still its the best selling car in Malaysia. So whats production capacity gotta do with anything? U mean to say if Honda's production is low so thats making ppl flock to the Vios? U mean to say ppl are so desperate to have a car that they cant wait for a great car like the City? Think before u talk. There's an obvious reason for the City sells much less units and its nothing to do with the output. There are many dealers who have ready stock of City in KL for instance. I can give you a listing of these dealers if u want. Anybody who says Vios is a ladies car obviously has no knowledge whatsoever. So Xstan, do think before posting. Kinda silly if u just shoot yer mouth off. Haha!

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  • xstan on Jun 29, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Adrian ..u certainly aren’t from the business community or neither economic or a/cs.

    If u have a production with capacity max (Honda just upgraded from 800unit/pmth) at 1,500 p/mth , u simply can produced more. Whereaes Toyota production is made at 3,500p/mth for to cater its J (unk) model as well…yet they were sweaty has they cant sell it off that much…so they push for huge discount till Rm4K. to dump the car. So u see..u get Vios car all within 1-2 weeks time. It’s the J(UNK) model that push the sales.

    BTW, if u care to be a little wise, all reviewers agreed that a car that sells much more may not be a best car..just like Vios , it still a highest selling vehicle, but then HONDA CITY is much better car. Quote by many Thai & M’sian reviewer.

    For me…Vios appeal to only ladies or BOYS. Uncles luv it..its hassle free, conservative…& try very hard to look MANly ..check out the TRD , which still turn up ugleee….FACTS..u cant tune a CUTE car. VIOS TRD is like LADIES tune up with MUSCLE.

    Tell u what..I own a City , Persona..& drive my sis VIOS. I can tell u what it lacks compare to City of Persona. Its one noisy, floaty mama.

    Oh …BTW Adrian .have u reach puberty yet. U sound like a kid still schooling. Oh thats it..this VIOS is good or u. Vios certainly not for REAL MAN.

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  • xstan on Jun 29, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Adrian…to add. I see , no wonder u like Myvi..its cute car for the mums, sis & boy at school right. IF u r family man a man ..u certainly think of space, a boot to put ur luggage. U think of sfaety…u think of driving it on highway, unlike my colleague who got flung out of Myvi at highway coz driving above limit. tsk-tsk.

    Anyway..if a speeding bike or car crash from back of myvi ..I pray for the passengers & even Driver, since it will turn turtle due to its gravity centre.

    I'm not kiding ..my colleague's kid landed in hospital. In teh end, she got Persona & was happy with it since she oftem travel on hughway.

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  • adrian on Jun 29, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    Xstan,

    Ure obviously a paranoid no brainer. The ONLY issue im bringing up here is in comparison with to what some of our bloogers said much earlier that the City is gonna stump the Vios in SALES. This has nothing to do with which car is better or whether a Myvi is safe or the type of car which suits a family man, etc. Again the issue here is total sales not any of the above whether its production is higher or lower.

    When did i ever mention i liked the Myvi?? U must really be so desperate to win silly arguments like this since u love picking non existant 'facts' from the air and claiming i said it.

    I cannot believe that someone can actually 'terpesong' off topic as much as you did. Its actually laughable! Go read all the posts from Day 1 and then look at yours. Its embarrasing isnt it?

    I remember that i advised u some time back to THINK before you shoot your mouth off. If u had done this you would have understood whr i was coming from. I am well aware of the pro's and cons of the City and the Vios. Again READ & UNDERSTAND before shooting your mouth off.

    And believe me you dont wanna know the industry im in. You will be embarrassed. Dont get all hyped up and excited for no reason. Yor posts determine your maturity which in your case is way below the normal acceptable level. Anyway dont bother responding.

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  • xstan on Jun 29, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    The Vios was always a top-seller, while the City was always the better car in substance. It seems to remain that way today

    http://bangkokpost.net/281108_Motoring/28Nov2008_…

    This is just one.

    For god sake..Adrian , u still got trap in this warp ah? City owners are commenting on others.

    I'm in the finance..so I cover all industrialist, professionalist to logistic . I go for financing of copter, Airbus etc. I dont do auto-finacing accept for busses or trucks.

    So I dont bother wat position or sector u major. I talking about aspect of economy.

    Just all this Vios fanatic … BOAST tat Sales determine thier greatness of car.

    To open your eye..Honda city max capacity is only limeted to 1, 500 p/mth ..no where will they able to shoot off more than the figure, so how are they able to beat Vios.

    A productivity like Vios plan for 3,500 unit/mth to gain economy of scale but failed to do just that, thus profitability eroded, since they hit all low. In the past they hit 3,000+ , now below 2, 500. that was drastic dropped affected by sales of other Vios vehicle.

    c'mon lah..even the j(UNK) cant boast their sales.

    dont tok proudly about SALES DETERMINE ITS CAR GREATNESS. Its one girly car. See the ratio of lady driver, old folks & young boy against the REAL MAN.

    they buy Vios becoz of Toyota , not the greatness of the car.

    I end here…got study a/cs, business & econs. Who cares if you got paid highly if all u depend on your parents.

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  • xstan on Jun 30, 2009 at 12:48 am

    Oh ya..nobodywill argue that Honda City will never beat Vios in sales due to max cap. at 1, 500 units/mth. Common Sense lah..

    Thats unless Vios sales deteriorated or shrink from its usual proud 3,500 p/unit. That happens in Jan 09, where City beat Vios in quantum..all becoz Vios hit all time low for the year.

    Now production continuos to produced 3,500 units & push the sales to the marketing & sales division to force sell it by dumping huge discounts & 1 week delivery coz to clear off the piling stocks. Check out which model attribute to Vios sales.

    So wat Adrian trying to stress is tat Vios hit top sales due to its god given best car on earth. He realised that Vios slowly loose popularity among car enthu. & forumers. therefore trying to proof he is right & convinced others that VIOS still a top seller.

    I'm to convince Top seller may not be great car. It is boosted by popularity within ladies, young ciku & old folks.

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  • iskandar on Jun 30, 2009 at 4:52 am

    i agree xstan. no way vios better than city in many way except sales volume. People still buy vios because natural look of vios who look like dugong maybe?

    The biggest mistake toyota did is when they introduce j version. Now vios no longer competing with city but comparable with gen2, persona and myvi.

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  • adrian on Jun 30, 2009 at 6:52 am

    Xstan, u still cannot seem to understand what ive said. But 1 thing im surprised is for someone as high profile as you who deals with such high end business like buying helicopters and Airbus, you seem to face a problem spelling and constructing proper English sentences.

    Maybe u face an inferiority complex whereby u feel the need to amplify your career when its actually non existent maybe? How bout u give me your full name and i run a check and i TELL YOU what industry ure in? Feel free to email me at [email protected] in case u wanna save yerself the embarrassment of allowing the world to know the truth. I dare you to email me with your full name. Always tell the truth Xstan. Because there will come a day when someone will call your bluff and expose u in the most embarrassing way possible.

    U always love picking facts from the air and claiming that i said it. Maybe u can copy paste any of my statements above that indicate that i ever said that SALES = CAR GREATNESS? U cant can you? U know why? Cuz this is what happens when a no brainer like you shoots his mouth off without thinking and checking his own facts. You claim i said things when i didnt. Haha!

    You claim im saying sales determine whether a car is good or not. Kindly show me in which post i mentioned this? You fool, the only thing im saying is City sales could not beat Vios sales. Plain and simple. I didnt say why or what or how or which car is better. Just 1 simple fact. Your fighting a losing battle cuz ure in the wrong battle in the 1st place. Typical charateristics of a no brainer like Xstan.

    So kindly avoid yourself further embarrassment and keep silent. Ure sounding very much like the politicians we have in this country. The moment they open their mouth, u know just what fools they are.

    I look forward to your email. Lets just see whether ure really into helicopter financing or just another 1 of those sad cases of inferiority complex. (Mind you there are only 4 companies who deal directly with helicopters in Malaysia) so please do provide me with your full name. Im so looking forward to claryfying this. Haha!

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  • xstan on Jun 30, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Adrian…u r least of my concern. I wouldnt care wat position u r in, despite u bragging. Most importantly, pls service ur instalment promptly, especially your vehicle.

    I text all my messages & do not care if its gramatically correct..

    I make my point…to educate some young greenie who goes for figures rather then real facts. Young's like u luv bragging. No brainer use to stress tat………see Vios still top in sales & is better car. Figures speak. Not logic. Anyway, City managed to top Vios in Jan 09's sales, based on registered vehicle.

    By the way…oh pls shock me, embarassed me with your top CEO position. care to reveal? Don tok rubbish….I've never brag of my position but to reveal u that I'm analytical. Did I say I'm in copter business? U r certainly in puberty stage.

    I N here…….its a total waste of time. Be appreciative if u learnt so much from me.

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  • MR XS TAN

    Could you share with us all where did you get the figure of production volume and how it reflects the quality of a car? i happen to know an insider from the H brand and what i got was totally a different story interms of sales and stock piled up.

    NOTE: not a fan of the Dugong.

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  • adrian on Jul 01, 2009 at 6:22 am

    I’m in the finance..so I cover all industrialist, professionalist to logistic . I go for financing of copter, Airbus etc.

    __________________________________________________________________________

    thats wht u said in your own post. When i argue i do it with facts while u fail terribly. Plus i have never said anything bout my position. Its you who said i earn alot. Your own words. Again check your facts you fool. Ure a laughing stock. Where is your full name? Why havent u mailed me? Tell me so that i can show u what industry u really are in. You're the 1 who brags but are actually an empty tin. I dared u and u failed.

    Mi16,

    I trust that your info would be different. Xsta is just famous with his crap figures. How can he possibly get his facts right when he's too busy bragging and shooting his mouth off without any sense? Common Xstan, answer Mi16. I would love to see u reply to this. Prove to everybody that you are indeed some high class financial analyst who deals in Airbus financing.

    HAHA. Ure crap Xstan and you know it.

    (P/s: im still waiting for your email)

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  • LorenzoOoOoOoOoO on Jul 30, 2009 at 1:24 am

    Honda City……

    Popular name for city used..

    Plus with intelligent engine..

    Equiped with all new around tech..

    Own one of new 5 speed in its class..

    Love the halogen light in night..

    And with plush interior..

    Very interesting..

    17 km/l = 0.11 sen ……..See that..the bonus every little drop of petrol in ur everyday life..Think about that..

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  • EnciK MaT on Aug 19, 2009 at 4:54 am

    can anybody help me plz…….i want to buy a car, but dont know whether its Honda City 1.5E or Toyota Vios TRD Sportivo..can anybody suggest me the right choice…?

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  • David on Aug 19, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Hey guys no need to quarrel. I own both cars. Believe me City is the better bet. Why? Engine more powerful. More stable. Its just more fun to drive. However, Vios is a little more fuel efficient.

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  • adrian on Aug 19, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Comparing current City and Vios then the City would be a better choice with its superior specs. Even though i am a 1st generation Vios owner i believe specs wise the City wins. But its rear end may not be appealing to everybody. But if ure gonna pay 90K for a City u might as well top up and get a Honda Civic 1.8 instead. More value for money.

    David,

    The City is more fuel efficient. It has a 5 speed auto while the Vios is 4 speed only. I too have both cars in my house.

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  • David on Aug 20, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Hi Adrian,

    Im comparing latest city with latest vios. May be old car is more fuel consuming (possibility is there). By the way, i mentioned Vios is a LITTLE more fuel efficient. Having said City is better, it is quite fuel consuming during city driving. Some ppl said, civic 1.8 is under power due to its heavy body. Get the 2.0 instead. The best is buy property.. Haha..

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  • i'm waiting for white colour…..look umphhh in white colour..see new vios…

    +++make-up=wow

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  • only white colour nice for make-up….already colour city is only for retired people…for mr hello kitty or whatever….

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  • anyone know how to reset the FM radio setting?

    i try to delete those unecessary station. but dun hav any clues =(

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  • zaidy on Sep 15, 2009 at 1:37 am

    nice and cute…must buy one….

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  • jebon on Oct 21, 2009 at 12:05 am

    stupid car compared my BMW.

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  • faizal on Oct 25, 2009 at 4:10 am

    jebon, pity u because u are soooo stupid to compare a luxury and expensive car to this for-entry-level car honda city. pity also to that BMW to have owner like u.

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  • David on Nov 11, 2009 at 12:49 am

    I agee with faizal's opinion on JEBON.. FAIZAL'S REMARKS SUITS HIM..

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  • Jayce on Dec 01, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Hmm… Compare to Vios. Which one should I get?

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  • just bought city E, recently sold my E-vios..both ok..but i pay more for the H word! BMW..mm..Banyak Makan Wang….Merc much better…i think la…

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  • Barney on Dec 14, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Ok everyone. DON'T BUY CITY!!!

    Because i don't want to many people having the same cool car as i do. getting my car tomorrow.

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  • David on Dec 18, 2009 at 6:44 am

    Attention to Car Buyer

    I agree Honda car is good in terms of look. Other than that, a car buyer must also pay close attention to service and warranty policy. I had shock of my life when I was told Honda cars must be serviced every 3 months or else the 3 years warranty will be void no matter you are using mineral or synthetic oil. Meaning to say, you have got to send your car for service every 3 months even though your car has traveled a short distance since the previous service.

    For those who already bought a new Honda car, make sure that you get all the 3 free services promised done within 6 months no matter what your car mileage is or else it will be void.

    Recently, I sent my car for the 3rd free service and was denied the privilege. My car at that time was only 8 months old, mileage at 10 100. The problem is that, I was unaware of this policy when I got the car. The sales person did not highlight this policy when delivering the car. To make things worse, it is not mentioned clearly in the service booklet. I called up to the Customer Relationship Department (CRD) but to no avail. They strictly hold on to their policy. They are not helpful at all. No leniency practiced. Customer is not given priority.

    As I also own a Toyota, I can say that Toyota is way much better in the area of customer service. Customers are treated with care and concern. For Toyota, customers do not have to follow the service schedule strictly as long as they send their cars for service after the recommended distance. (10 000 Km for full synthetic oil and 5000 Km for mineral oil)

    In summary, Toyota cars are cheaper to maintain even though Honda may claim that their charges per car service is lower. My next car would definitely be a TOYOTA, for sure. I regretted buying a Honda indeed. Think twice before buying a Honda!

    Sincerely,

    Malaysian

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  • jebon y don't u BMW compare with Royce Rolls?shit compare with gold?brainless!

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  • zulims (Member) on Dec 25, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    hi jayce..go for city jayce becoz the city never sleep :)..n congrats for ur coming city barney..having plesure of using both machine, it's certainly a wise choice..muchly depend on ur driving style n brand loyalty guys..adios

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  • zulims (Member) on Dec 25, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    hmm..testing my city..vroom..hehe

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  • zulims on Jan 10, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    hey guys..maner p suma org ni..barney, how's ur new city:)

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