German brand Volkswagen announced earlier last year that it was developing a 10-speed dual-clutch transmission to add to its current line of six- and seven- speeds DSG gearboxes. Now, sources have told motoring.com.au that the DQ551 10-speed DSG has been cancelled due to a couple of reasons.
A source apparently told the publication that the gearbox is a very expensive and complex development, making it impractical. As such, the brand has thus chosen to put its focus instead on other, more pressing developments elsewhere. “In the end, we had to balance what our priorities were with our transmissions and other things are more important and more urgent,” the source told the publication in Frankfurt.
The planned gearbox was said to be able to take on up to 500 Nm of torque and could be installed in both transverse or longitudinal engine bays. Additionally, the main purpose for the extra gears was reportedly to increase the efficiency of cars by up to 15%.
The 10-speed gearbox was reportedly set to feature in the next-generation Mk8 Golf GTI and supposedly in the more powerful Golf R 400 as well as the upcoming Polo. Currently, the brand already has a conventional torque converter eight-speed automatic gearbox from Aisin, which is found on the second-gen Volkswagen Touareg.
If the sources are true, brands such as Ford and Mercedes-Benz are set to be in the lead for having the most gear ratios around – the former will be installing a 10-speeder into its F-150 Raptor and the 2018 Ford Mustang, while the latter has a nine-speed 9G-Tronic gearbox installed in the Mercedes-Benz GLC.
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Ha Ha Ha Ha. Even 7 Speed also always breakdown, whatmore 10 speed? You will be having romantic dinners with the tow truck driver.
I hear VGM customers now call the tow truck driver for their kid’s birthday party. Already become close friends.
Believe or not. Quality of its clutch pack is the main cause of DSG issue. Wet or dry.
The more worrying one, to me, will be their latest “illegal device used in the emission test”. $18 billion bill can ask VW to close-shop in many non-performing countries such as our Bolehland. LOLX
It is very easy. 7 Speed means 7 times to the SC for breakdowns. 10 Speed means 10 times visit SC for breakdowns.
Simple formula.
ur formula is too direct…havent take into account of other failures…
Sometimes its better to learn how to walk properly first before telling the world that you trying to fly.
VW 10 speed gearbox fail, Iriz CVT no gear also epic fail. Better stick with reliable technology, like Toyota 4 speed auto.
Yes, you need to spend a little bit on petrol, but at the other hand, you save a lot on gearbox repair. One time change gearbox you can pump how many times full tank? Count yourself lar…
ape la kau ni
(0 km/h) 1-2-3-4 (80km/h)
He’s saying, grooving like dinosaur is the best.
Iriz gearbox epic fail?
What weed you vape?
Cannot trust VW and VGM anymore. Pay so much but get cheated.
My bicycle got 9 gears with 27 speeds.
Road bike?
VW bash party in 3…2….1….
Does your bicycle breakdown due to failed gears?
If not, then your bicycle is more advanced than this German automakers products.
So stick to ur bicycle frever
If you really want to improve efficiency, why not just use a CVT? Its got infinite number of ratios. It will cleanly beat a 10 speed DSG in terms of efficiency. Of course, its no fun, but it is efficient.
Trying to develop a 10 speed DSG is a bit like trying to design a pen which you can erase its written ink easily, when all you need to do is to use a pencil.
You obviously haven’t seen this:
http://www.pilotpen.com.my/main.php?choice=300&range_code=3&range_name=Erasable%20Ink%20Pens
Just go to any decent stationery shop and give it a try. Legibility of a pen with the convenience of a pencil. Does not damage the paper like pencil erasers do.
Now back to topic:
For the average passenger car, I would rather have a CVT + torque converter than an automatic any day.
However, for vehicles with high amounts of torque, you are stuck with either an automatic or DCT. Only a DCT could give you power without significant loss of efficiency.
If anyone knows of a vehicles with CVT and high torque figures, please share.
You answered it. It’s no fun.
Anyways, I’d go for the stick manual shifter….
Whether you use 4 or 5 speed or 10 speed, no difference lah. I got an 8 speed BMW 520i and I got a 4 speed Nissan.
both also same. Mat Salleh try to cheat people.
Yeah better stick to dino age 4 speeder gearbox
You will get high RV
“In the end, we had to balance what our priorities were with our transmissions and other things are more important and more urgent,”
Namely to refine the current 7 speed DSG (dry) so that it is 100% officially clarified guaranteed can withstand hot weather and jam for Malaysian user.
9 months into ownership, cant say thoughts of breaking down have not crossed my mind.
Anyway, it is a good car, Jetta.
” VW Admits Cheating on U.S. Pollution Test ”
USD 18,000,000,000 bye bye.
:p
Stock also bye bye. No money to make new DSG.
:p
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/VOW:GR
Why not try on CVT? If the power&torque curves were for optimization today, I believe it is possible to be developed/tuned for performance in future.
CVT is for gay.
You must be one of VW victims, pity.
Lance, it has ntg wrong with CVT. Today no matter how quick stick shifter you are, there are still glitch happen on every time your gear shifting, CVT is the eliminate it today. You feel it “gay” because they are not designed for performance today, but it does not mean it is impossible to fine tune the output curve above your stick shift.
good that they come to their sences and stop the ‘how many gears do i have’ marketing war….its stupid ..
everyone should just make a conventional 6 speed auto n thats it , no crappy cvt no unreliable dsg’s….
they have even dropped dsg on the s4, high rate of warranty claims must be the reason plus zf 8 speeds are not that much slower and smoother.
i agree, after the chaos which took place between 2010 and 2015 in china and malaysia.
VW may even revert to 4 speed automatic transmission – like toyota.
as long as it has 1st gear. and reverse gear. and overdrive ratio for economy drive. reliability is more an important issue
10 speed DSG might be 10 times more to fail.
i was thinking this is how VW try to cheat customers – aiya… 1 gear spoil, u still have 9 more gears. so many mah. dont worry lah.
Well, they need to pay the $18 billion fine. So now they have to cancel the project.
Yet, they still “talk handsomely” to the publication in Frankfort by saying: the gearbox is a very expensive and complex development, making it impractical. As such, the brand has thus chosen to put its focus instead on other, more pressing developments elsewhere. In the end, we had to balance what our priorities were with our transmissions and other things are more important and more urgent.
Branded or not, giant company or not, most importantly we must have code of ethics when we are doing things. Not because of thinking to make huge profits and impress the world by cheating the world with the use of high technologies and software to create something which is not real.
Now, the world knows you are the cheater.
i had a VW jetta, gave me so much problem, this car is not mean to handle the high output and the heat in malaysia, the gearbox spoilt, the piston melted… 3.5 years of agony, and my mileage was only 49k … pls don’t buy VW…
6MT rulezzz!!
DSG, lightning speed on up shift.
It uses dual clutch.
There is a problem. Down shift.
To utilize 10 speed to achieve fuel efficiency.
The gear ratio must be very close.
For upshifting, there is no problem.
The speed increase linearly.
While down shifting, there are vary of speed.
The mechatronics, unable to react vary of condition of speed. Becomes “Decisive”.
Mechatronic saying ” Which gear to choose? 4,5,6,7,8?”
In accelaration, yes, DSG is superb..
6-7 speed DSG, downshifting still can cope.
only downshift from 6-3 or 7-3.
Imagine 10 speed.. while u drive on 10 speed with 150kmh then decelarate to 80/60 kmh. Which gear to be used?
Therefore, CVT/ torque converter in 9/10 speed might perform better due to it’s belt or toraidal mechanical properties. CVT linear in both accelaration and decelaration. In others hand. conventional AT box’s Torque converter as “buffer”.
The up/down shift perform slow, but TCU got time to “think” and decide which gear to shift.
Anyway, VW, your current DSG is great.
But, pls pay your CSR and refine it properly.
VW buyer buys VW because of technology.
However, reliability, responsibility of after sales service ruin your image. Pls re build your status.
Dont be ostrich! We look forward more VW & Audi on the road in future!
Pls close shop la Audi and VW, only give problems. Noones wants to buy headache!
obviously you are not a vw car owner.
ppl talk bad about vw then you follow
let me tell you, my vw car performance and handling is better than many products out there
why dont you go and buy 1 to try lol
I guess BMW was right when they said there is no need for more than 8 gears – period.
Just like Sam Loo sayz you dun need more than 4AT.
I agree, BMW should use 4 speed gearbox like Vios. That way Toyota macai can say his Vios is BMW!
6 speed is enough. Even 919 Hybrid uses 6 speed.
Even my bicycle got 27 speed. My bicycle is more advanced than this shitty engineering.
Your 27 speeds is manual bro
funny some mentioned about kena tipu mat salleh, actually true. for some status symbol and arrogance some people buy those low quality overpriced cars, carry with them granpa stories about how much better and ‘solid’ cars from europe are. while it could be true 30 year ago but nowdays the europeans are juz overpaid and produce low quality products..still got style only lah..
my jetta done close to 40k in 16 months and so far ok.I believe some owners are driving their TSI cars like GTIs’.There is a difference of top speed and cruising speed.Road cars are not design to go full blast all the way for long period(it’s ok for short burst). The cooling system is not design for it.
BTW,did you all notice initially this topic,there was a single line directing to another site highlight VW is recalling 15 million Cars with dry DSG! It was not there when I have a relook at this page the 2nd time. Anybody saw it?.Should check with Paultan.
Workshop Time bomb…tick tick tick tick tick……..