Proton has sent the Proton Exora for crash testing using the Applus+ IDIADA facility in Spain. The tests were required to engineer the Exora to meet Euro NCAP 4 star standards, which Proton claims the Exora will be able to achieve based on its tests conducted at IDIADA according to Euro NCAP test specifications.
In this story are tables listing the tests – note that P0 and P1 denote two different stages of prototypes, so the earlier P0 car would have failed some tests which the P1 car passed later because of revisions to the prototype specs.
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The Exora was designed to be able to achieve a 4 star Euro NCAP equivalent of crash safety but of course you can’t just rely on your engineering data for that, you have to actually crash it and see what happens, and if it doesn’t go as to what you predicted, go back to the drawing board and fix it.
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A total of 32 Proton Exora crash test vehicles were destroyed in various tests including a rollover test. The cost of these vehicles amounted well into a Ringgit figure that is 8 digits long, because at the early developmetn stages you are essentially making a few nearly one-off parts, so when things are not produced in volume they are very expensive.
These videos have already been inserted into the launch, specs and price story that I published right after the Exora launch ceremony, but here they are again after the jump for those who missed them.
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8 digit with 32 proto destroy..IDIADA spain..our exora come from proton..did produa hv this? paul blog hv all the info..
its 8 digit long
Why didnt they send it to euroncap? it would be a good publicity investment.
I did ask that and apparently they said it is because Euro NCAP only endorses your crash test when you actually want to sell in Europe. So the official Euro NCAP result will come later if/when Proton introduces the car there.
8 digit? wow… the minimum of 8 digit is RM10,000,00.. that is a whole lot of money just to get the exora pass certain safety requirement..
cant watch video.it mentioned its private
hermmm 8 digits long eh?
sa – puluh – ratus – ribu – puluh ribu – ratus ribu – juta – Puluh juta
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
80 million!!! Wah!!!!
seem like sure proton can pass euro NCAP ..but exora should go on test after this for euro ncap? or by the results in spain enough to conclude for the NCAP ?coz what i know german netherland spain sweeden are need euro ncap..proton good job.
and EuroNCAP only uses the actual production car itself…not the prototype
correct me if i'm wrong
i love the song ……paradise..funny lol
Try again?
[quote comment="230892"]hermmm 8 digits long eh?
sa – puluh – ratus – ribu – puluh ribu – ratus ribu – juta – Puluh juta
12345678
80 million!!! Wah!!!![/quote]
it wont reach RM80 million.. you do count correctly, but y do u add 8 in front of it?
Testing do cost a lot… That's where part of RM450 million was spend at.
Manual transmission will be available in July…check the info below
http://www.proton-edar.com.my/index.php?page=camp…
In my mind said….malaysia has joint venture with CHINA.
Gen2 was sold to CHINA with a new brand.
Then MPV Cherry Eastar was sold here with the first cheap mpv.
Then Proton produced new mpv……the body looks like same.
The different is only additional gadget, new engine and new face.
What i am going to said…all test comes from china.
Please correct if i am wrong….
i dont know whether cheery EASTAR sell in europe?
n also dont know this cheery got how many star ..
proton want to achive good star in crash test, so i consider if exora same with
EASTAR it will be worse..4 star will hard to get..but IDIADA prove the results..
[quote comment="230926"]In my mind said….malaysia has joint venture with CHINA.
Gen2 was sold to CHINA with a new brand.
Then MPV Cherry Eastar was sold here with the first cheap mpv.
Then Proton produced new mpv……the body looks like same.
The different is only additional gadget, new engine and new face.
What i am going to said…all test comes from china.
Please correct if i am wrong….[/quote]
Bro, go to any Alado showrooms or affiliate that sell the mpv and later go to Proton Edar. THEN you know whether your imagination was correct or not. Why don't you say; Exora=Grandis?
Malaysian always sceptical in whatever Proton is doing. It is because they are concern. It is have to do with our tax a.k.a. rakyat's money.
So the EXORA is pronounced ‘AE-ZORA’. that's make a clear cut.
Haiya! Obviously you are out of sync with the automotive world bro! Who in the world recognizes China testing bodies? They can fake almost everything!
If i not mistaken to gain 4-star EURONCAP you will need to have side air-bags to protect side impact.
If you guys went to see Waja crash test, they included that side air-bags to test and they commented that it is required to pass certain test.
Besides that, if not mistaken after 2010, all cars need to be VSC (stability control) standart to be sold in Europe & US. So does that mean proton have VSC ready?!? So why buy now? Or they only sold these special features to oversea only?
I suspect it may end up that way just like ISOFIX, since Malaysians are so price-conscious.
I dont think it's a 4 star vehicle, if not they already would have advertised it as the ENCAP 4 star vehicle. But that still doesnt detract the fact that this car is about a million times better than any chinese made con-crap-tion.
Maybe in 15 years china will make a vehicle as safe as this car, but when that day comes I hope we've already make a car as safe as todays renault.
They are advertising that fact, just that its part of the points in their marketing material, it isn't a huge main headline, I think they're not going that arrogant path typical of the old management, it's not like its 5 stars and a super major thing to shout about.
[quote comment="230926"]In my mind said….malaysia has joint venture with CHINA.
Gen2 was sold to CHINA with a new brand.
Then MPV Cherry Eastar was sold here with the first cheap mpv.
Then Proton produced new mpv……the body looks like same.
The different is only additional gadget, new engine and new face.
What i am going to said…all test comes from china.
Please correct if i am wrong….[/quote]
I think u have just wake up from your dream. Exora dah lama dalam rancangan proton. Dengan adanya DSZ terajui Proton, baru boleh tercapai. Mintak u pergi memana showroom yang jual Easter, ukur & tengok kerangka dia. Lepas tu Pergi memana Proton edar Showroom, ukur, tengok kerangka dia & bandingkan. Usaha & titik peluh Pekerja Proton tak pernah yang nak ambil tahu. I pun boleh kata yang itu semua adalah ciplak. Tapi i pun asal belajar dari school Art & Design. Rekacipta boleh buat bermacam, tapi fungsi, ergonomik, kos pengeluaran perlu diambil kira. Buat kereta bukan macam buat char kuay teow (tapi kalau x tau buat pun tak guna). Main campak aje dalam kuali. Lagi satu, sedarlah & bangun. Banyak barangan jenama keluaran malaysia dah tembus pasaran dunia tapi ramai rakyat malaysia tak sedar semua tu. Satu lagi NCAP kalau nak masuk pasaran diaorang mesti ada salah satu dari 2 option.
1. Mesti ada trak rekod jualan, mutu & ciri keselamatan yang dibenarkan. Itu untuk memana pengeluar yang memasarkan kenderaan mereka lebih 10 tahun. Pun kena Test gak.
2. Yang baru nak masuk pasaran, kena buat test sekurangnya 3 star. Savvy, pesona, generasi satria lepas sebab lepas 3 star.
NCAP nie memang membantu tingkatkan jualan kalau ada sijil pengesahan keselamatan. Sekurangnya IDIADA adalah setaraf dengan NCAP.
Satu lagi, nak test NCAP diaorang akan random sellect kenderaan yang nak di uji terus siap dari kilang, bungkus dengan security seal, hantar ke fasiliti diaorang, test, & kluar result. Kat situ plak, badut TopGear buat review. ;)
I said this before and I’ll say it again. When Car Manufacturers send their protypes or even so-called production cars to independent labs for crash test, the results means “nothing”. Zero credibility as far as the motoring world is concerned. Reason being is that Car Manufacturers have been known to “tweet’ the car that has been sent for crash test which is different from what the real world production car is.
Volvo – the company renowned for “safe cars” was also implicated in such a scandal back when their real world production cars bought at dealerships did not perform as Volvo claimed under real independent crash test.
No doubt, many Asian car companies have been complaining that EuroNCAP (and hence Japan came out with their own equivalent of NCAP) is not independent as their crash assessments favours the Europeans car as most of the Europeans compact cars can score 5-stars (when the Japs equivalent are only 4-Star) but hey, the Accord recently got 5-Star and Lexus have always got 5-Stars.
Until and unless, EuroNCAP has independently confirmed Proton’s ‘4-Star’, please advice Proton Management not to make this claim. The difference between 3-Star (which Waja already has) and a 4-Star is very high. It would be highly embarrassing if EuroNCAP buys the Exora from dealerships and the crash test can only get 3-Star. That said, the Exora looks good on paper – hope it performs well too.
Faizol,
Please correct your mind first before you give any factless point about the MPV
I won't put much weight of how well the prototype does until its officially endorsed and tested by EuroNCAP.
The item that usually prevents a 4 star car from getting the full 5 stars is cabin intrusion/deformation in the lower part of the dash, which can hurt the occupants lower body. 5 star cars sometimes come with "leg" airbag installation just to get the extra star.
Now if the Exora can get an official 4 Stars, its pretty commendable, but then again, the world has already moved on.
If it was already bad enough that new cars are not available with ISOFIX, I'm having difficulty sourcing retrofit ISOFIX/LATCH kits. Any idea where i can find the retrofit kits?
Paul, do you have the Exora side and the back impact crash test videos?
Bla bla bla bla.. Sell the Proton Exora to Europe and Arab lah make money for Malaysian economy so that Malaysia will rise from this global economy crisis lah!
Malaysia happy people happy lah!
I don't see any tyre moving into the cockpit, what are you talking about?
Please compare with 2001 Honda Stream 4 star EuroNCAP crash test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw_u6SfgSLo
From my naked eyes it's look same or as good as Exora IDIADA crash test.
But as mentioned by "INITIAL R" to get exact EuroNCAP, the test result must be done to an actual or randomly picked from a production cars.
why is the chart only on air-bag validation of Fire or No Fire?. Airbags are only one of the many criterias of NCAP.
I don't think that EuroNCAP randomly select cars from Factories and seals them. They buy them directly and discretly from dealers and the dealers or manufacturers never know when it is sold to EuroNCAP. That's why is suppose to be what the average Joe buys.
so far form what i heard… proton DID NOT claim that Exora is 4 star NCAP… what they said, the crash test they did at IDIADA is equivalent with 4 star NCAP requirement… so if NCAP test the car it might be able to gain 4 star NCAP…
Here is FAQs from EuroNCAP site :-
http://www.euroncap.com/Content-Web-Faq/5076ae48-…
Perhaps Paultan or someone can explain further..
[quote comment="230956"]If i not mistaken to gain 4-star EURONCAP you will need to have side air-bags to protect side impact.
If you guys went to see Waja crash test, they included that side air-bags to test and they commented that it is required to pass certain test.
Besides that, if not mistaken after 2010, all cars need to be VSC (stability control) standart to be sold in Europe & US. So does that mean proton have VSC ready?!? So why buy now? Or they only sold these special features to oversea only?[/quote]
Yes, side airbags is required to pass with 4 stars. However after 2010, to get 5 star the car need to came with VSC. So, current cars with 5 stars rating without VSC will not get the 5 stars using the 2010 requirements.
VSC is not mandatory for cars to be sold in Europe or US as long as it passed the basic requirement of the individual country specification. Europe NCAP is not mandatory before a car can be sold in europe. It just a private organisation that doing the testing with higher (highest in the world) requirement to get the stars.
My take is the current Exora sold in Malaysia will not get 4 stars rating with the number of airbags offered. Hopefully proton can offer a proper Exora with 5 stars rating as an option (or maybe not when the price is to exspensive)
I know that Proton did not claim that the Exora is a EuroNCAP 4-star cos if they did, Proton would definately be sued.
I bet my monthly salary that if the Exora is sold in Europe, the statement that "crash test they did at IDIADA is equivalent with 4 star EuroNCAP" would be removed. Cos, its giving a false perception which is what they are doing here in Malaysia. Most ppl and even the salesmen will say, "ada EuroNCAP 4-bintang, setara dengan Camry, etc"
[quote comment="231036"]I know that Proton did not claim that the Exora is a EuroNCAP 4-star cos if they did, Proton would definately be sued.
I bet my monthly salary that if the Exora is sold in Europe, the statement that "crash test they did at IDIADA is equivalent with 4 star EuroNCAP" would be removed. Cos, its giving a false perception which is what they are doing here in Malaysia. Most ppl and even the salesmen will say, "ada EuroNCAP 4-bintang, setara dengan Camry, etc"[/quote]
How about EuroNCAP crash test result for Avanza, Grand Livina, Rondo & Innova?
Ada ka ? Rasanya takda tapi seluruh rakyat di SEA beli jugak.
Proton dare to hantar for crash test at IDIADA and done lot of improvement to achieve the so call sama dgn 4 star EuroNCAP requirement pun kira oklah bro.
Well it sure is safer than my Ria – only 2 star. But I've gotten used to that 2.5 V6 motor la.. how? 8 figure cost for testing is kinda cheap.. the lives of our families is much more expensive. Just a reminder for Proton not to lie safety about ratings.
if you can see at stream crash video, the driver front door moved a bit, but exora did not…
Congrats to proton. At least it shows that proton dah tak buat kreta Tin Milo lagi. Hahah I wonder kalu Pro2 boley dapat kluarkan/assemble rebadge non-Tin Milo cars/mpv. :D all the best to proton.
Proton 1st official crash test? This is bare and dared. A good 1.
hey Paul, how come the comments are blocked by the website border on the left here? Comments on prototype test drive also were blocked by the website left border.
That only happens in IE6. Please use an updated browser like Firefox or IE8.
apsl tak puas hati if protn is certified with this rating…..
if nissan n toyota…. i believe non of you will going to have a look whether it is certified or had undegone the EuroNCAP or IDIADA test….
do you believe toyota unser got safety features… no right? … but still malaysian buy it… ( i believe it had been phased out) .. why … got T -badge…
if proton come out wit that kind of car….. owh LOUSY proton… so outdated…. what the heck!!!….
typical Malaysia….
want cheap… but want everything… got prove that Exora is tough built…. still not satisfied….
so what.. better go to buy your japs or contis car…..
just want 5 stars car with 1 star price… idiotic persons
seriously it is true like what DSZ said… malaysian want performance like europe cars, design like japenese car … but with malaysian price… .. think again…..
never feel grateful to Proton….. the only SEA country that has manufactured own car…..
doont u feel something to proud of….
just be tolerated… give time to Proton to solve everything….
Firstly, Unser, Avanza, etc did not make claims that their test results is equivalent to EuroNCAP. I mean, its either yes or no, there is no such thing as equivalent. Does this mean than Oxford Brookes is equivalent to Oxford?
Japanese car companies these days do make claims on their JapanNCAP crash test or the USNCAP (or something like the NTHSA…can't remember how to spell it, Hyundai / Kia makes reference to it). But its in reference to an Independent Organisation, although I do not know how the Japanese / USA organisation does it – hope that they also buy from the dealerships.
If U Toyota Malaysia makes such a claims that their crash test is equivalent to something, I will be the first to post the same comment – that its totally BS.
Its not that Malaysians are too demanding – we have a right to demand, its our money after all but more importantly, we do not want to be deceived by the equivalent to EuroNCAP 4-star statement.
To the Proton Management – if you are reading this, please remove all references to EuroNCAP 4-Star equivalent until you actually get the 4-Star. Buying a car is all about rationale – no need to attack or defend too personally.
If I needed a MPV, the Exora would be top of my choice (but will wait for a more poweful engine) but that is because of budget constrains, not because of the so-called 4-Star equivalent. Safety is important but with Malaysian car prices, more safe cars / MPVs are just too expensive. Would I buy the Exora if I won the Toto Mega, definately not. Who would?
[quote comment="230969"]I said this before and I’ll say it again. When Car Manufacturers send their protypes or even so-called production cars to independent labs for crash test, the results means “nothing”. Zero credibility as far as the motoring world is concerned. Reason being is that Car Manufacturers have been known to “tweet’ the car that has been sent for crash test which is different from what the real world production car is.
Volvo – the company renowned for “safe cars” was also implicated in such a scandal back when their real world production cars bought at dealerships did not perform as Volvo claimed under real independent crash test.
No doubt, many Asian car companies have been complaining that EuroNCAP (and hence Japan came out with their own equivalent of NCAP) is not independent as their crash assessments favours the Europeans car as most of the Europeans compact cars can score 5-stars (when the Japs equivalent are only 4-Star) but hey, the Accord recently got 5-Star and Lexus have always got 5-Stars.
Until and unless, EuroNCAP has independently confirmed Proton’s ‘4-Star’, please advice Proton Management not to make this claim. The difference between 3-Star (which Waja already has) and a 4-Star is very high. It would be highly embarrassing if EuroNCAP buys the Exora from dealerships and the crash test can only get 3-Star. That said, the Exora looks good on paper – hope it performs well too.[/quote]
Agree with you. Claim of 4 star is one thing. I want the factual real results of NCAP score rating. Remeber the Savvy claim some time ago ? Look at the real result ? D::::
[quote comment="231036"]I know that Proton did not claim that the Exora is a EuroNCAP 4-star cos if they did, Proton would definately be sued.
I bet my monthly salary that if the Exora is sold in Europe, the statement that "crash test they did at IDIADA is equivalent with 4 star EuroNCAP" would be removed. Cos, its giving a false perception which is what they are doing here in Malaysia. Most ppl and even the salesmen will say, "ada EuroNCAP 4-bintang, setara dengan Camry, etc"[/quote]
nope, they don't have to remove that i think…. saying that it is equivalent in terms of requirement is not wrong and can't be sued.. unless they say it has a 4 star NCAP rating…
[quote comment="230966"][quote comment="230926"]In my mind said….malaysia has joint venture with CHINA.
Gen2 was sold to CHINA with a new brand.
Then MPV Cherry Eastar was sold here with the first cheap mpv.
Then Proton produced new mpv……the body looks like same.
The different is only additional gadget, new engine and new face.
What i am going to said…all test comes from china.
Please correct if i am wrong….[/quote]
I think u have just wake up from your dream. Exora dah lama dalam rancangan proton. Dengan adanya DSZ terajui Proton, baru boleh tercapai. Mintak u pergi memana showroom yang jual Easter, ukur & tengok kerangka dia. Lepas tu Pergi memana Proton edar Showroom, ukur, tengok kerangka dia & bandingkan. Usaha & titik peluh Pekerja Proton tak pernah yang nak ambil tahu. I pun boleh kata yang itu semua adalah ciplak. Tapi i pun asal belajar dari school Art & Design. Rekacipta boleh buat bermacam, tapi fungsi, ergonomik, kos pengeluaran perlu diambil kira. Buat kereta bukan macam buat char kuay teow (tapi kalau x tau buat pun tak guna). Main campak aje dalam kuali. Lagi satu, sedarlah & bangun. Banyak barangan jenama keluaran malaysia dah tembus pasaran dunia tapi ramai rakyat malaysia tak sedar semua tu. Satu lagi NCAP kalau nak masuk pasaran diaorang mesti ada salah satu dari 2 option.
1. Mesti ada trak rekod jualan, mutu & ciri keselamatan yang dibenarkan. Itu untuk memana pengeluar yang memasarkan kenderaan mereka lebih 10 tahun. Pun kena Test gak.
2. Yang baru nak masuk pasaran, kena buat test sekurangnya 3 star. Savvy, pesona, generasi satria lepas sebab lepas 3 star.
NCAP nie memang membantu tingkatkan jualan kalau ada sijil pengesahan keselamatan. Sekurangnya IDIADA adalah setaraf dengan NCAP.
Satu lagi, nak test NCAP diaorang akan random sellect kenderaan yang nak di uji terus siap dari kilang, bungkus dengan security seal, hantar ke fasiliti diaorang, test, & kluar result. Kat situ plak, badut TopGear buat review. ;)[/quote]
nasib baik initial R ader explain kt ko lim…… kalau x aku rasa bodoh sgt orang malaysia ni.
Actually EuroNCAP independent body do their test 'randomly' by buying the car at the dealer just the same as we do. then, they put a test on it without the dealer or the manufacturer know about it. that's how independent and secrecy it is. So, no manipulating.
[quote comment="231001"]I don't see any tyre moving into the cockpit, what are you talking about?[/quote]
Not sure who this was directed to but its not only the tyre/wheel. The lower dash/streering column, pedals all could contribute too loosing 1 star. No post crash interior pictures to tell though. It is difficult to tell how car back has the drivetrain been displaced as well.
[quote comment="231133"][quote comment="231001"]I don't see any tyre moving into the cockpit, what are you talking about?[/quote]
Not sure who this was directed to but its not only the tyre/wheel. The lower dash/streering column, pedals all could contribute too loosing 1 star. No post crash interior pictures to tell though. It is difficult to tell how car back has the drivetrain been displaced as well.[/quote]
i'm pretty sure there are tons of different criteria that must be analysed in a crash test, not just speculative comments based on some videos that we are looking at.
but it does prove one point, and that is proton do crash test their cars quite thoroughly unlike what many have been saying.
the first 4 star proton car?
waja only 3 star, gent 2 and pesonna ?
hey guys,
whether it is compliance with 4 star or 5 star, this MPV should be use for family member commute from A to B with comfort and reasonable price. if u drive like blind cow, i bet even 10 stars also will not save your butt. So enjoy the car.. cheers…
personally, i think this is a wonderful car…. comfortable with good style.
anyway, cant comment much on the engine performance as no chance to test drive it yet. any guys here from Melaka? seems like no dealer in mlk is allowing test drive at the moment….
why only 56km/h?
i though is 64km/h….
I'll bring you Avanza and Livina crash test result…
(but i'm still browsing…)
idiada did the same crash test as euroncap, and they also related to each other, thats why in the new crash test in euroncap, u will see idiada sticker at the car. but they still a different party. idiada also have the same credential as euroncap in crash testing except that european always prefer to refer to euroncap. adios………….
Ok la tu dah kira selamat …. MPV bang oiii bukan RX8 ..jangan buat laju2 sangat , pakai seatbelt semua …bila letih berenti minum teh tarik … ari tu aku nampak Innova crash kat Karak …dekat nak putus dua …the bottom line is speed kills
car with esc/vsc/esp automatically will be added 1star to it rating.
2 yang masalah ngan rakyat malaysia. nk kete 4 5 star tp rege nk yg 1 star.
dah 2 plak bnyak rungut…dah bagus a proton bleh buat mpv SENDIRI. bkn ciplak mcm chinese car maker. dah wat crash test pun nk komplen… kalu dah banyak komplen … bli la alphard ke elgrand ke.or others. x yah nk kate 2 kte nh, sb 2 la ngara mlaysia nh dikira negara membangun. ye la ada gak yang ( stupid ). xd langsung nk sokong. tau nk menghentam je…
pkir2 kan la. proton yg 25 tahun bleh buat bnyak ke bende ke……
even merc pun berpuluh tahun baru nampak establish …… baru boleh buat lebih bagus dari kete dulu. Pkir2 kn la. nk buat satu kete b kan senang. lakaran demi lakaran baru lepas. lepas 2 test demi test baru lepas. x kan la bodo2 proton buat kte lepas 2 buat kuar. setiap model ad la pembaharuan. orang kte nk itu nk ini….x d ini… lepas 2 bising….. realistik a sikit.
maybe they should send the production type exora to be crashed into barriers and walls ..
see what's what …
tomorrow must view this exora at showroom nearby..avanza crash test? wow..i 've saw many avanza crash test already but with others vehicles on the road..very bad !!! really recomment people not to buy this..
Although I still prefer honda freed over the exora (or avanza or xenia or inova), I think Exora will success because the price were dirt cheap.
I think proton is lucky enough that Japanese yen goes through roof.
This car will be on my wish list if I go poor.
I dont what is the big fuss about this crash test results…
some people here are talking as if EURONCAP its da best crash test agency which gives 100% accurate crash test data and the rest of the crash test agencies around the world is second to this EURONCAP!!
come on guys..saying this test results equivalent to EuroNCAP 4 star rating is because they are planning to make this Exora a Global product and most importantly to show that proton is making effort to improve its vehicle safety…
even companies like BMW,Mercedes and volvo have fail to get full rating for their car and later on when facelift models manage to get a Full star rating..
euroNCAP is funded by other companies and maybe even some manufacturers which we dont know…being independent doesnt mean their funding themself…think for yourself..which stupid company will buy several cars of various model and crash them for nothing without making a profit??tell me??
they get their funding from sources which might make them biased too..you never know..because some cars they claim to be 5 star vehicle fail to get 5 star rating is US crash test NHTSA..and the opposite also happens..
since proton dont have its own crash test facilities so they have to rely solely on those spain crash test agency and their results is the only valid proof proton has to show the Exora is safe..and what is told by those spain crash test centre is what proton claiming right now!!so what a big fuss???
if you dont believe those claims then buy a crash and do you own crash test…or if you have doubts..send it to other crash test centre around the world…or write to your most trusted euroNCAP to request a crash test on Exora or write to malaysia G to make crash test a mandatory requirement for cars sold in malaysia so that all new cars will go thru crash test here!!
proton's claim is based on what those spanish agency told..so unless its proven wrong..the claim stands…its not proton's fault for euroNCAP not testing an Exora…nor proton can force them to test the car!!
so till then..this claim stands!!!dont make a big fuss out of nothing!!!
[quote comment="231088"]…xpensive. Would I buy the Exora if I won the Toto Mega, definately not. Who would?[/quote]
I will…one each for my parent, ma and pa in-law, one for grand pa, one for maid, one each for neighbor left and right… hmm who else want?
[quote comment="231133"][quote comment="231001"]I don't see any tyre moving into the cockpit, what are you talking about?[/quote]
Not sure who this was directed to but its not only the tyre/wheel. The lower dash/streering column, pedals all could contribute too loosing 1 star. No post crash interior pictures to tell though. It is difficult to tell how car back has the drivetrain been displaced as well.[/quote]
Actually Paul directing this comment to someone using "P1&P2 bashers" nickname at "Proton Exora: Malaysia’s first MPV from RM69,998!" thread.. the one who arguing with Prismo at that thread.. :)
Why people like to associate Exora = poor ?? Do you think poor families dare to dream owning a car ??
Boyong : don't be arrogant if you are rich. Red flowers won't be red all the time.
[quote comment="231247"]Why people like to associate Exora = poor ?? Do you think poor families dare to dream owning a car ??
Boyong : don't be arrogant if you are rich. Red flowers won't be red all the time.[/quote]
If I'm arrogant rich, I won't buy honda freed as my next car. But I will buy Accord or BMW instead.
I think the Exora will sell like hotcakes as it's worth very penny. It's a matter of utility and comfort which Malaysians are always looking for. Though safety is always important, it's not like Malaysians are such careless drivers. My 1994 Wira has served me really well, gotten into accidents before and I'm still alive eh? haha
From what i usually see in youtube they usually crash d front corner at
56kph. Did d exora pass that part or it failed & didnt want to show it?
[quote comment="230884"]I did ask that and apparently they said it is because Euro NCAP only endorses your crash test when you actually want to sell in Europe. So the official Euro NCAP result will come later if/when Proton introduces the car there.[/quote]
Off topic:
Paul what the song in the last video, its good. Tried to find it, but failed. Tq
alwys comment2! dont ckp2 saja… blom tentu lg loan beli keta sendiri lulus, dah nak condem2.. heheh tgk diri sendiri la dulu.. belum cuba belom tau.. anwy thnks paul tan 4 da highlight!
first proton car with five bolted wheels
[quote comment="231189"]2 yang masalah ngan rakyat malaysia. nk kete 4 5 star tp rege nk yg 1 star.
dah 2 plak bnyak rungut…dah bagus a proton bleh buat mpv SENDIRI. bkn ciplak mcm chinese car maker. dah wat crash test pun nk komplen… kalu dah banyak komplen … bli la alphard ke elgrand ke.or others. x yah nk kate 2 kte nh, sb 2 la ngara mlaysia nh dikira negara membangun. ye la ada gak yang ( stupid ). xd langsung nk sokong. tau nk menghentam je…
pkir2 kan la. proton yg 25 tahun bleh buat bnyak ke bende ke……
even merc pun berpuluh tahun baru nampak establish …… baru boleh buat lebih bagus dari kete dulu. Pkir2 kn la. nk buat satu kete b kan senang. lakaran demi lakaran baru lepas. lepas 2 test demi test baru lepas. x kan la bodo2 proton buat kte lepas 2 buat kuar. setiap model ad la pembaharuan. orang kte nk itu nk ini….x d ini… lepas 2 bising….. realistik a sikit.[/quote]
Dude is it really too difficult to write somewhat properly? What's with these posters who apparently don't know how to write in either bahasa or english, only idiot textspeak…
I think CFA28 makes some good points. Quite a few people even on this blog seem to have already been confused into thinking the Exora has already achieved a 4 star Euro NCAP rating. Makes you wonder if that was the intent and how ethical it is to advertise in this fashion. And it's risky, imagine the PR disaster if they eventually fail to get 4 stars in the real thing.
Good that they did release more crash test info though, it's a positive change from past practices.
Since when Malaysian so concern about the body structure of a car? When you buy a car i think majority will not ask what crash level will your car stand? what is your rating?
Proton is doing a very good effort in marketing that diverting all focus on this issue. But the tricky part is that if accident happen will that guys still alive to sue proton for that claim or is proton can be sue? Hope is not a mistake like range rover got sue over a hood and losing millions just the driver still survive.
But we can't deny that proton is picking up since changing of MD good job! Although is slow but it's see development. 25 years of proton start picking up compared to 12 years Korean in global standing? hope another 10 years they will be equivalent.
But forgive me for saying this. Spending 8 figures to test a model is ridiculous in term of corporate objective. Especially at this bad times. Might as well use that money to set up your own MyNCAP lab instead. You can crash as many cars and the money still circulating in the country. I hope proton managing team got study economy.
Daring is proton to launch car at this time as i will increase operating cost and where will the cash flowing in? to stable a model sales at less 2 years to get that profit .. but to recover that 8 digit…. good luck.
Congratulation to proton team for 3rd successful Malaysian Born car. But please upgrade on your accessories and service. Is ass pain. Thx
Malaysian: Just clearing something up, the 8 figures was not because of the crash test track rental. It is the cost of building the prototypes to crash test, as mass production has not begun yet so they were all mostly hand-built, at such low volumes the parts prices are super expensive.
[quote comment="231235"]Although I still prefer honda freed over the exora (or avanza or xenia or inova), I think Exora will success because the price were dirt cheap.
I think proton is lucky enough that Japanese yen goes through roof.
This car will be on my wish list if I go poor.[/quote]
Bloody Arrogant !
All the best Proton!
[quote comment="231362"][quote comment="231235"]Although I still prefer honda freed over the exora (or avanza or xenia or inova), I think Exora will success because the price were dirt cheap.
I think proton is lucky enough that Japanese yen goes through roof.
This car will be on my wish list if I go poor.[/quote]
Bloody Arrogant ![/quote]
Damn! Bloody Arrogant…. you rich wanabee. Go play kite boy.
i think the proton exora is a copy of the mitsubishi grandis … if u guys look closely n compare both cars ,.. they look almost alike just dat grandis is much more preetier n expensive than exora … nyways thumbs up for proton for their great effort in making the exora… first time … proton came up with a competitive model .. there goes avanza, , innova, grnd livina. but still its an underpower car.. toyota plz come up with new model …. hahahahaha … my living is all depend on toyota ,,…
to speedstar…..
mmg a bahase 2 bahasa bodoh…..
sb banyak sangat org2 yang bodoh kt malaysia nh……
bnyak sangat komen…….
tp bkan nak sokong……..
tau 2 nak hentam……
nk banding ngan kete jename lain…..
pemikiran deorang x terbukak…..
tp sory a kalau x paham ape yg dah di tulis…….
mmg a exora x de keputusan rasmi dari euroncap…..
tp tempat yg diorang hantar 2 lebih kurang sama a ngan euroncap……
x wajib pun antar kete 2 kt euroncap…….
tp x salah pun bagi tau yg exora tu die punye keselamatan boleh capai 4 bintang………
bukan senang nk buat satu kereta…….
tp mmg senang nk kritik…….
sekurang2 nye pu, proton x ciplak model orang…..
buat kereta sendiri…..
buat crash test sendiri…….
dah kira ok a 2……..
kalu yang dah kaye sangat…
x yah susah2 nk komen…..
x yah nk bandingkan exora ngan kete japan atau luar negara……
susah2 beli je elgrand ke elusion ke….
exora nh mpv pertama proton……
bg la exora bernafas………..
bagi a exora peluang untuk bergerak dan bersaing……
jangan jd katak bawah tempurung……..
ket kene keluar dari tempurung……
barulah malaysia nh boleh jadi negara maju……………
korang nak drive keter yang safetynya tahap macamana lagi? proton already passed the safety test.. nak tahap yang hebat hebat sila la keluarkan duit lagi.. bising sana ..bising sini.. bila kos seunit kereta mahal.. riuh satu reban. kemalangan di Malaysia ni adalah disebabkan oleh sikap. means sikap tu yang kena diubahsuai ke tahap yang tinggi. kalau rasa masih tak selamat, bubuh span tebal tebal keliling kereta.. kereta kebal pun tak kebal… pot pet pot pet… so aku syorkan begini:
1. kalau rasa ada kereta brand lain yang safetynya lebih tinggi dari exora, luas kabin hampir sama, harga hampir sama, why not korang amik brand tu,
2. kalau rasa duit ada, ngam ngam nak support family, boleh simpan sikit duit setiap bulan, tabungan anak anak, dan teringin nak exora, amik saja….
3. Duit banyak, lebih dari patut, nak teringin kereta yang kecil ke, besar ke tapi safety tahap 5 star, teruskan saja niat tu, tak payah nak compare ngan exora..
4. exora nih direkabentuk untuk memenuhi impian rakyat malaysia yang berpendapatan sederhana, harga mampu milik… jadi tepuk dada la bang.
Nice car… already test drive.. No -comment. 4 star for Proton..
I owned Avanza 1.5 b4… it's underpower. Exora is the best..good value for middle income..
i own kancil & gen2….just bought BLM last month – for my mum….and next month hopefully i'll get my exora…..
with the 110k i can have real 7 seater mpv and 'a smile' for my mum…
i'm not rich…i can buy recond wish 1.8 if i want….but i still choose EXORA coz i want to support PROTON..so that they can compete with the others….
Good luck proton……
[quote comment="231235"]Although I still prefer honda freed over the exora (or avanza or xenia or inova), I think Exora will success because the price were dirt cheap.
I think proton is lucky enough that Japanese yen goes through roof.
This car will be on my wish list if I go poor.[/quote]
I pray that God will fulfill your wish…
[quote comment="231720"][quote comment="231235"]Although I still prefer honda freed over the exora (or avanza or xenia or inova), I think Exora will success because the price were dirt cheap.
I think proton is lucky enough that Japanese yen goes through roof.
This car will be on my wish list if I go poor.[/quote]
I pray that God will fulfill your wish…[/quote]
Although it's not good to wish ill on someone, an arrogant guy like boyong here needs to be brought down a peg or two…
i do not think Proton Exora is design for poor people here in Malaysia. Poor people in here and the rest of the world will not even afford to buy a motorbike. They will only take public transport. It's for middle class in Malaysia… even 5k incentive won't help the poor.
the safety results does means something, that is Proton is improving in terms of long term planning. When they(proton) develop the prototype for the sake of crash testing.. it shows they design with safety in mind. And that's means in the end, the following new model will mostly likely follow the sames steps with improve efficiency in car safety design, thus reduce the cost like 10 digit figures.
my question is if proton is going to the next level in terms of safety, what happen to current model like Saga, Arena, Waja, Persona and Savvy? will they be replace anytime sooner with higher safety features?
next…to prolever
"bukan senang nk buat satu kereta……." – don ever be so proud that you can think only Proton really the product of Malaysia. (the word Sendiri). Even the campro engine is design by lotus… means by the UK fella and not Malaysian. Major components (Critical Components) such as gear box or engine computer not from Malaysia. it's like Copy and Paste.
"sekurang2 nye pu, proton x ciplak model orang…..
buat kereta sendiri…..
buat crash test sendiri…….
dah kira ok a 2…….."
dah kira ok? semua tak ok… cause proton cannot stop here. If all malaysian think like your "kira ok", i think proton will not going any where in future yet again.
BMW berapa star ? kalau dah ajal tu.. tak bley lari .
Sunday April 19, 2009
Four killed in crash on NSE, drugs found nearby
IPOH: Four people were killed when a BMW crashed into a Proton Waja at the 379th kilometre of the North-South Expressway near Slim River.
Also found at the accident scene were two packets of heroin believed to have been hastily thrown out from one of the vehicles involved in the accident.
The BMW is believed to have slammed into the momentarily stalled Waja in the 8.45pm incident on Friday, said Slim River OCPD Supt Mohd Ali Nayan.
The four people in the BMW who died have yet to be identified, he added.
Supt Mohd Ali said another four victims, three from the Waja and one from the BMW, were seriously injured and have been warded at the Slim River Hospital.
The Waja driver had tried to overtake another vehicle in front but grazed it and crashed into the middle divider, spun around and stopped in the middle of the road.
The BMW crashed into the Waja from behind, said Supt Mohd Ali.
Meanwhile, state CPO Deputy Comm Datuk Zulkifli Abdullah confirmed that 616gm of heroin in two packets were found near the crash scene.
He said police were investigating the matter under Section 39 (B) of the Dangerous Drugs Act.
To Saya:
Please do not bash BMW!!!! this case. Even you get 10 star such condition will have you meet the god of death. (stil got survival they will give the details later on) Obviously the people in BMW is not fastening a safety belt and travel more that 160km/h. But even though any vehicle crash at a stalled car it is the worse crash. you can see even at 40km/h the crash test can deliver such an impact imagine 160km/h.
To Paul:
Thx for updating me that.. i apologize for that statement. But still i will recommend proton will start a standard for all car in malaysia via MyNCAP. Just an idea.
But with this development i think we can do it in 10 years. If they can really meet the 3 demand as DSZ said Japanese design, European standard, Malaysia Price. I don't see it will be archieve but if can get a balance on this criteria i can say for domestic market will be very sucessfull. But proton i think still got area need to improve is the service network and standards thats all.
hahaha… i didnt bash any cars anywhere.. but hey.. think da point.
[quote comment="231485"][quote comment="231362"][quote comment="231235"]Although I still prefer honda freed over the exora (or avanza or xenia or inova), I think Exora will success because the price were dirt cheap.
I think proton is lucky enough that Japanese yen goes through roof.
This car will be on my wish list if I go poor.[/quote]
Bloody Arrogant ![/quote]
Damn! Bloody Arrogant…. you rich wanabee. Go play kite boy.[/quote]
for me, my wish is 2.0 wish, or 1.5 sette could save a lot of money.
LOL
just went 2 see exora by my own eyes
quite ok
worth with the price tag
impressive wif the quantity of cup holder that exora have
10 cup holder woo
should more than enough to put big gulp cup
and not forgotten, power root energy drink
think that the engine bay is quite kosong
mayb can transplant 2.0 engine inside?
or 2.0 turbodiesel?
hope that someday p1 can produce SUV like pajero or prado
wif 3.0 commonrail turbodiesel and VGT
yeay!
[quote comment="231922"][quote comment="231485"][quote comment="231362"][quote comment="231235"]Although I still prefer honda freed over the exora (or avanza or xenia or inova), I think Exora will success because the price were dirt cheap.
I think proton is lucky enough that Japanese yen goes through roof.
This car will be on my wish list if I go poor.[/quote]
Bloody Arrogant ![/quote]
Damn! Bloody Arrogant…. you rich wanabee. Go play kite boy.[/quote]
for me, my wish is 2.0 wish, or 1.5 sette could save a lot of money.[/quote]
1.5 Sette 3rd row seat just like floor borad flip upwards… kesian ur kids sakit pungkoq.. macam duduk atas papan… I prefer Exora with 1.8 engine or more… can make exora as genting taxi…. hali2 boleh naik genting woooo…. Or seludup beras… he he he
[quote comment="231700"]i own kancil & gen2….just bought BLM last month – for my mum….and next month hopefully i'll get my exora…..
with the 110k i can have real 7 seater mpv and 'a smile' for my mum…
i'm not rich…i can buy recond wish 1.8 if i want….but i still choose EXORA coz i want to support PROTON..so that they can compete with the others….
Good luck proton……[/quote]
Good choice … I made some study as well… Exora got aircond grill until last row… Others like Livina only provide floor blower/ AC grill to cool down your pants.. kesian 3rd row, got to use kipas tangan.
I notice for additional 6k u got a lot of upgrade… such as leather seat, GPS, DVD, tint etc…
[quote comment="231189"]2 yang masalah ngan rakyat malaysia. nk kete 4 5 star tp rege nk yg 1 star.
dah 2 plak bnyak rungut…dah bagus a proton bleh buat mpv SENDIRI. bkn ciplak mcm chinese car maker. dah wat crash test pun nk komplen… kalu dah banyak komplen … bli la alphard ke elgrand ke.or others. x yah nk kate 2 kte nh, sb 2 la ngara mlaysia nh dikira negara membangun. ye la ada gak yang ( stupid ). xd langsung nk sokong. tau nk menghentam je…
pkir2 kan la. proton yg 25 tahun bleh buat bnyak ke bende ke……
even merc pun berpuluh tahun baru nampak establish …… baru boleh buat lebih bagus dari kete dulu. Pkir2 kn la. nk buat satu kete b kan senang. lakaran demi lakaran baru lepas. lepas 2 test demi test baru lepas. x kan la bodo2 proton buat kte lepas 2 buat kuar. setiap model ad la pembaharuan. orang kte nk itu nk ini….x d ini… lepas 2 bising….. realistik a sikit.[/quote]
i try to understand what he trying to say but sorry to say that i failed.
what language is this? new language from bolehland.
maybe our DPM is right.. we need to improve our BM….
recently gorvenment have a car scrapping scheme, which we can use old car (age > 10 yrs) to get additional RM5k dedcution when buy Proton or Perodua car, my family feel so happy and think that is time to change a Proton Exora, unfortunately the sales advisor told me the scheme is not cover proton exora, how come???
[quote comment="231895"]
To Paul:
Thx for updating me that.. i apologize for that statement. But still i will recommend proton will start a standard for all car in malaysia via MyNCAP. Just an idea.
But with this development i think we can do it in 10 years. If they can really meet the 3 demand as DSZ said Japanese design, European standard, Malaysia Price. I don't see it will be archieve but if can get a balance on this criteria i can say for domestic market will be very sucessfull. But proton i think still got area need to improve is the service network and standards thats all.[/quote]
establishing MyNCAP is a good idea.
however, it is easier to stick to commonly used EuroNCAP since the integrity is there & everybody seems to be fond of EuroNCAP.
if the standard of EuroNCAP = MyNCAP, what is the purpose of setting up such entity?
why JNCAP is there? is there any loop hole so that JNCAP benefits from EuroNCAP?
[quote comment="232572"][quote comment="231895"]
To Paul:
Thx for updating me that.. i apologize for that statement. But still i will recommend proton will start a standard for all car in malaysia via MyNCAP. Just an idea.
But with this development i think we can do it in 10 years. If they can really meet the 3 demand as DSZ said Japanese design, European standard, Malaysia Price. I don't see it will be archieve but if can get a balance on this criteria i can say for domestic market will be very sucessfull. But proton i think still got area need to improve is the service network and standards thats all.[/quote]
establishing MyNCAP is a good idea.
however, it is easier to stick to commonly used EuroNCAP since the integrity is there & everybody seems to be fond of EuroNCAP.
if the standard of EuroNCAP = MyNCAP, what is the purpose of setting up such entity?
why JNCAP is there? is there any loop hole so that JNCAP benefits from EuroNCAP?[/quote]
all countries adapt systems from others and call it something to identify it with their own country.. like auscap for australia..etc. it doesnt matter what we call it, as long as we have it, and based on the best practices from other countries.
euroncap isnt the best also. the exora was tested for rollover, which euroncap doesnt test.
but end of the day, its not up to proton, a car company to push for standards. for one thing, its already proven that they test cars according to world standards, but to enforce it in malaysia will require the govt to step in.. jpj for a start, needs a total overhaul. its old fashioned, and has been left behind with the times.
[quote comment="231895"]To Saya:
Please do not bash BMW!!!!.[/quote]
He's didn't bashing any car, stupid? He's just quoted the news.. but hey, why that news bashing ur beloved BMW anyway?
Paradise…..best
sape nyanyi
when exora will come up with more powerful engine? Turbocharge perhaps?
Weh…tak payahlah nak buat MyNCAP. We only have one car manufacturer, Proton. So if JPJ & JKJR need to spend few more millions to develop & mantain a MyNCAP standard, testing facility, engineers & technicians so that one (Proton) manufacturer can use it & probably test 1 (ONE) model every 2 (TWO) years…is friggin ridiculous. Lojik la sikit bro…
Perodua, Inokom, Naza semua assembler jer…design tak approve punye, just pasang & re-brand. Tak payahlah nak buat MyNCAP…maybe in 50 years boleh kot?
Kalau ASEAN-NCAP pun tak brapa lojik lagi, sebab cuma kat ASEAN ni cuma Malaysia jer yang design kete sendiri (PROTON). Melainlah ASEAN-NCAP lebih strict dari EURO-NCAP then ada jugak fungsi nyer.
Very good safety news but unfortunately Proton will need to recover the 8 digits loss and sell the P1 to the patriotic M'sian and the needs counter the loss incur to produce 3 digits of P2 sold in European market which will probably no I am sure they will sell below costs to complete in the competitive car market in EU
TO THE No QUALITY PEOPLE
WHAT EVER UR SAY.
ur are the low Q mind
My point is rather than babbling to urself, better think others people heart.
ok if ur work is being basher by others people, what will ur do ha..????? Think before u talk…or type.. or what so ever. LOL
I don't see any full frontal crash of 50km/hr being done here? The ODB crash is still considered "soft-crash" scenario.
tak sabar nak tunggu exora SE. Harap ada improvement & proton ambil kira komen&aduan pemilik exora sedia ada.
EuroNCAP testing is at 64 km/h.
Although legislation is stating 56 km/h.
Hence, will be interesting to see how it fares at higher speeds.