Last week, the government announced that it would make electronic stability control (ESC) a compulsory fitment on all new vehicles in Malaysia by June 2018. Perodua has now revealed how its vehicles will be affected by the news.
“We (Perodua) have already introduced the system (ESC) in the Bezza, which was designed for it. For our other current models (Myvi, Alza and Axia), they are not designed to be equipped with it. We can’t merely install (the system) in a model that is not designed for it,” said company president and CEO Datuk Aminar Rashid Salleh.
However, Aminar said Perodua welcomed any move to improve safety, and at the same time, will have to look into the development and costs of equipping their vehicles with the safety net.
“At this time, allow us to first discuss the matter with the government because it is currently in the early stages. There are many things that have not been discussed in this regard. Only then can we plan our next steps,” he said.
As current Perodua models (except for the Bezza) are not fitted with ESC, could Perodua be planning to introduce all-new models before the planned implementation of the legislation?
When asked if the carmaker had such plans or any new model launches scheduled for next year, Aminar apologised and said he could not reveal any details. However, he said the company has plans to refresh its (current) models to hit its sales targets, although details on potential all-new models were not given.
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Last week, the government announced that it would make electronic stability control (ESC) a compulsory fitment on all new vehicles in Malaysia by June 2018.
Effectively, our Gov is telling P2 & other car manufacturers to buck up or “Bungkus” if they do not install ESC in all their 2018 model cars. I hope our Gov do NOT compromise or bend over just to please P2.
Half of their cars don’t even have ABS. Don’t talk abt VSC. Typical Toyota. Perodua is UMW and gomen owned.
For years gomen did not give vsc in toyotas because they wanted to untung more at expense of your life.
Now they are doing same through Perodua
it is toyota problem..do u ever see their car in other ASEAN
I do see the first gen Myvi in Germany occasionally (Daihatsu had some good offers…), they should all be equipped with 6 airbags and stability control, AFAIK. Thus the first gen Myvi was indeed designed for these safety features, but perhaps the second gen wasn’t.
Confirm will delay for them…
too bad lah perodua. u can’t do it, then bungkus lah. for years you have been sacrificing safety of your customers. it’s only fair to bite you back now.
“At this time, allow us to first discuss the matter with the government”…. Hoi! your cars are obsolete! Cant even retrofit ESC…is time for P2 to wake up!
#jualbezzajela
I thought JDM sirion/boon which is what the second gen myvi based from comes with ESC? Or did perodua changed the electronic so much that it no longer able to equip ESC
not design for ESC or not willing to install because of profit margin?
Utterly basement level models that Malaysians are forced to buy. The worst part: Many Malaysians are so proud and in love with their death cans
BS. The original Daihatsu model they’re based on has ESC, even 6 airbags.
R&D change bumper, lamps and badge, suddenly cannot fit ESC? Kek.
Hi tokmoh, I was going to post the same comment, but I see you’ve beat me to it ! haha :D
Yes, Perodua’s excuse is definitely invalid. The Japanese version of the Myvi had ESC for many, many years… and not once did Perodua offer ESC on their Myvi.
Maybe Perodua’s excuse has some truth to it.. maybe it’s because the engines aren’t the same (ESC must be programmed separately for each different engine).
But either way, I’m sure Perodua can do something about their problem. But if the government delays ESC implementation to 2020 because of Perodua, then it will only reflect badly on them (people will say because of Perodua, the whole Malaysia has to wait).
Perodua must understand… that their time is up. They can’t be peddling milo tins forever under the excuse of ‘affordable transport’. If Proton can offer ESC on every single Iriz, why can’t Perodua do it ?
Perodua has money, they have Toyota’s help, therefore, they have no excuses.
but the jdm platform has ESC !
No ESC still prices of P2 car going up next year..
http://paultan.org/2016/12/05/perodua-may-hike-prices-in-2017-due-to-ringgit-drop/
I do agree you cannot just install ESC in a car that is not equipped for it. Wiring harness, ECU, testing, ESC adjustments, etc all takes a lot of time. However, this also proofs how our government operates. Implementing law without proper discussion.
Government should say “Effective 2018..all NEW car models must have ESC and will be implemented in stages” Not just 2018 ALL new cars must have ESC. Mat Lan Chat logic is this.
I do concur it’s a massive work to implement ESC across the line for Perodua, especially Perodua as a high volume seller in Malaysia.
First, the hardware. The sensors, ABS module, ECU, wiring harness and assembly modular has to be retuned or redesigned. But consider the JDM models which the Axia, Myvi and Alza are based on has ESC, it’s all not impossible, as the chassic are the same after all.
Next, the tunning. Perodua will need big engeering input, probably amounting to thousand of hours involving testing and fine tunning of the ESC in Myvi, Alza and Axia, better if it is tunned accustomized to our tropical weather rather than a carbon copy of the JDM module.
With all being said, I truly believe that it is all possible (to retrofit ESC in all Perodua line up) and it would probably need investement amouting to hundred million from Perodua. Furthermore, aren’t they just successfully turn out the Bezza? If they had truly made the Bezza all by theemsleves with minimal engeering input from Toyota/Daihatsu parent, this is a golden opportunity to showoff Perodua’s engeering prowess, proving that they have graduated from the department of merely designing “Lagi Best” and “Gear Up” bodykits, and able to undertake some serious automotive engineering tunning and production alterization.
The only reason I could think of Perodua immediately recation to Gov’s call on mandatory ESC by 2018 is GREED, PURE AND SIMPLE. This is because Perodua will not be able to reap the profit margin they are currently enjoying, and all their lineup will be much costlier by then (if they wanted to maintain the profit margin they are doing now).
If Proton is able to sell the based 1.3 Iriz at 39k with ESC, I don’t see why Produa can’t sell the Axia G at 36k with ESC coupled in, consider Iriz is a much substantially engineered, heavier and much featured car than the Axia. The sad thing is many kampung mak cik and pak cik (who made up huge portion of Produa’s customer base) doesn’t know what an ESC is, let alone how ABS actually works. If Malaysian car-buying public are better educated and more informed, Perodua will not make this kind of BS statement. Education on motoring safety is key and it is not only manifest on car sales, but also on government policy, which I believe Malaysia still has a long way to go (although we are slightly better than Thailand or Indonesia in the ASEAN region, but that’s not an excuse for complacency). One good news is that we had won the battle against Toyota by forcing them to put 7 airbags and ESC as standard in the Altis and Camry facelift, Perodua is definitely next on the list to be taught a lesson.
Yes, GREED – PURE AND SIMPLE
On the other note, I would like to emphasize that Proton’s ommision of the ABS on the base model Saga IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, this shows while some car maker try very hard to superficially position themselves as champion of safety (yes, I am pointing finger at you, Proton), when comes to profit margin, they are equally unscrupulous and cunning to screw the consumer, riding on the fact that majority of Malaysian car buyers aiming for entry, mass selling model less than 40k are demographically less educated on vehicle safety front (or forced to buy because of budget constraints) . Perodua is even worse in this aspect.
In the end of the day, we should laud any car maker that make safe and affordable car and absolutely shun any brand that taken consumer’s safety for granted far too long. Never trust car manufacturer to have consumer’s safety in mind, only when consumer react to their greed and stop buying then only they will change. Just like how Toyota has changed after consumers abandon them in droves for Honda.
I do agree with you for this point. I also tepuk dahi when I knew that proton omitted ABS on base model.
But…but….but
not many people buy that saga variant. you compare that with axia, myvi, bezza, alza. thousand of them on our road today
chances that you going to encounter that saga variant on the road is as good as suprima. very rare.
but … but … but that is an absolutely invalid reason to produce a new car without ABS especially in this day and age, irregardless whether people buys that variant or otherwise!
It only takes for you to have 1 unfortunate encounter with a very rare “limited edition” car without ABS and I cannot wait to hear what you have to say then.
I beg to differ. Not all care about ABS when price is all that matters. Im seeing the new saga silently making its way on the road, especially the base model.
BAD PROTON! so naughty to omit ABS. Please don’t be like Perodua.
dont worry, by june 2018 all proton variant got ESC…
I think it just marketing strategy to let room for them upgrade the current lineup
Once upon a time in a Uni of who knows where, 2 students, Mr. LagiBest and Mr Onz, were in their final year having had to do their final year project. Mr LagiBest decided to pay for some bloke to get his project done, professionally and the project even won an award. Mr Onz decided to learn and do it by himself. The project was so-so despite the effort poured into his project.
Mr. LagiBest went to work with Poodwa and he gets Mr. Bikinmoto’s car sans all the safety stuffs to maximize Poodwa profit. His company sold so many cars and so he earns 6 months bonus annually. He doesn’t care if people die in his car.
Meanwhile Mr Onz went to work with Poorton. He still designs his car by himself. He draws a great design with great specs in mind. But the end product is total opposite to his vision. Poorton vendors complaint that they cannot provide the mould and the material required at a cheap price. People are not buying his car because it look out of proportion and it squeaks after a year although his car is equipped with great safety techs.
The moral of the story is doesn’t matter if you wanna copy paste or design sendiri, please do it properly. Learn something passion, quality and responsibility and pour these elements into your products. Both.. you and consumers will be happy.
The moral of ur story is; being immoral is okays as long as ends justifies the means. I hope u dun procreate to teach ajaran sesat to ur offsprings.
*something about passion
Well said, if only Malaysians are able to learn to take pride in their work.
With that being said, what a shame it was that Mr. Onz didn’t take pride in his work, as his great design & specs turned out to be somebody else’s design instead.
APTB, are you implying that at this fictitious company Poorton, it is the vendors who actually dictates the final design of the car?
Other country such as US ,Euro Toyota Camry came with 10airbags, automatic brake system,collision warning system …. We still have longway to go because gov tax our car price too high so umw not able to profit and need to remove all safety features
Easy Perodua, Daihatsu e:s model (Axia), Boon/T.Passo (Myvi) and Passo Sette (Alza) have VSC in the variants, just adopt the ABS with VSC module and revise ECU will do.
Refer to Paultan link on passo sette
http://paultan.org/2008/12/26/toyota-passo-sette-7-seater-mpv-full-details/
This means, it is designed with ESC/VSC for Japan market…but for Malaysia market, ESC is dropped. Not a problem to adopt. Like you mention, just adopt the ABS with VSC module and revise ECU will do.
1 correction: Axia is based on Daihatsu Ayla/Toyota Agya which was conceived in Indonesia… no direct relation to the e:S mentioned
other than that, all are spot on! let’s say P2 can easily fit ESC to the rest of their models
In essence, the hardware required for ESC is simple. With ABS, a few yaw and accelerometers and steering wheel angle sensors, a car can be ready for ESC.
That said, the programming of the ESC logic will take time. Our locally spec cars are different in terms of fitment and the reprogramming and testing of the ESC program may take a significant period of time.
This is probably what Perodua was alluding to.
The car model is not designed to be equipped with VSC?
I tot VSC is supposed to be designed to fit on the car model.
Or P2 dont have engineers in safety dept,only plenty of eg in bumper design dept,headlamp design dept,dashboard design dept.Talk about being complacent….P2 is much worse than P1 in term of development.
Perodua safety engineer went on leave.
Wait. They had a safety engineer?
Seems that every time the government wants to implement new directives,Perodua sure makes some kind of noise.Im not an engineer so I can’t comment on whether the safety system can be refitted or not.What i know is you can’t retrofit them once the car is assembled but if not assembled yet then I’m not so
1 year isn’t enough for manufacturers to implement ESC on every vehicle they sell. NHTSA in the US gave over three years to put something as simple as a reverse camera.
Bet the new Myvi is coming out next year.
Oi CEO Perodua, maksudnya selama ini memang tak ada dalam rancangan Perodua untuk memuatkan ESC dalam kereta-kereta Perodua lar? Bila dah dijentik baru nak fikir nak pasang? Itu pun nak bincang dengan gomen lagi? Lagipun ESC bukannya baru keluar semalam dan kereta-kereta Perodua yang “direbadge” dari Daihatsu asalnya pun dah ada ESC dan 6 airbag pun. Cuma Perodua yang pandai-pandai menghilangkannya. Kalau nak untung pun, buatlar cara yang jujur dan bertanggungjawab, keselamatan pembeli kena didahulukan dulu.
The modification to include ESC is as follows:
1. Add wheel speed sensors for 4 individual tyres to detect wheel slip / loss of traction
2. Add Yaw rate sensor cluster (control unit)
3. Change ABS to ESC hydraulic electronic control unit (HECU).
4. Use harness which has extra connector to fit all above items.
5. Set ECU variant code or reflash ECU with different calibration to include ESC function.
There is no calibration or validation needed if the weight of the car is similar to the JDM Daihatsu/Toyota variant. Just use the above components and enable ESC as it was already developed for it.
Let’s see if Perodua is willing to absorb the cost above or at least only transfer half to customers in order to finally make their cars safer. Your call Perodua!
lets the P2 engineer think or sack them
YES. THIS IS IT.
I have been following this news very closely since the Minister’s announcement on ESC. And the only company that I am interested to hear with regard to this is P.E.R.O.D.U.A. The BIGGEST, MAJOR, HUGE OFFENDER when it comes to car’s safety in Malaysia.
You PERODUA, I have a lot of things to say.
I have been BOYCOTTING your cars for as long as I can remember. I don’t even allow my family members to buy your cars, hence, not even a single PERODUA exist at my house.
WHY YOU ASK? It’s because you ARE SOOOOOO GREEDY!
For a company that UNTUNG A LOT. Perhaps even “UNTUNG ATAS ANGIN” because you don’t even MAKE CARS, YOU JUST REBADGED IT!
Despite of this profit which you proudly declare publicly (by numbers of cars sold), you invest VERY LITTLE on SAFETY department.
Your company DON’T EVEN SEEM TO CARE MUCH about the SAFETY of your customers. Granted, you don’t even give a damn about it. But think about other road users as well. Thousands if not millions of your UNSAFE CARS are littered on road which are HAZARDOUS to other road users. Whenever I drive on the road, my right, my left, front, rear, full of PERODUA cars. It triggered some sort of HAZARD ALARM in my mind, thinking these cars might lose control anytime and just crash on me.
But, these very proud owners of anything with PERODUA badge seem very oblivion about cars’ safety. I bet half of PERODUA customers don’t even know what E.S.C is!!!
They drive like mad, overtake like crazy, speeding like there’s no tomorrow. These people are SO PROUD of this piece of ….!
And your company are milking on this oblivion and just keep selling thousands and thousands of it EVERY YEAR! [http://paultan.org/2016/12/05/perodua-sold-167k-units-up-to-october-axia-bestseller-bezza-deliveries-top-22k-sales-down-aftersales-up/]
If only these people realize that the cars that they called “RELIABLE” will do very little to save them in emergency situation. These cars can’t AVOID ACCIDENT (active safety) and can’t even save their lives when ACCIDENT DOES OCCUR (passive safety).
I actually doubt that the 5-star Bezza is really a 5-star after all. Because the only test that ASEAN NCAP did was FRONTAL COLLISION. There’s no SIDE COLLISION, or REAR COLLISION. With structural body that is neither HPF (Proton, german brands) nor G-CON (Honda), even airbags will not do much to save the occupants.
When I first read about Government’s plan for 2018 ESC, in my mind, it was a CHECKMATE! A massive win for consumers, and a major lost for a greedy company.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate PERODUA owners. Lots of my friends own it. They either: cannot afford better cars, or allergic to PROTON, or both. I pity them.
Government should considered to cut down on taxes and duty for vehicles so that all car manufacturer can sell their vehicles at lower price and promote sales, government will benefit on higher sales volume then.
The government is fully aware of the existing situation and chooses to capitalize on it instead simply because the demand for passenger vehicle’s is INELASTIC, thus lowering taxes and duties means foregoing an extremely great source of revenue. Hence the argument of lowering taxes and duties in exchange for higher revenue generated by higher sales volume of passenger vehicle’s holds no water at all.
Why on earth they want to discuss with the Government??It will be implented in 2018!!Are P2 still planning to sell low safety vehicles during that year??Naahhh..why bother..Malaysian still buy it. Malaysian will be Malaysian. Asking for high safety car..but when P1 do so…complain here and there..sigh..
Sistem ESC bukan bergantung kepada weight sahaja. Ada banyak input dari pelbagai kawasan perlu diambil kira dalam memastikan system berjalan dengan lancar.
contohnya brake system, steering, suspension, torque mapping, structure stiffness (Perodua memang mahir dengan body structure cost down ketahap ‘agak’ selamat). Yang pasti ianya tedapat sedikit perbezaan dengan varian JDM yang memberikan output pengendalian yang berbeza dan ini memerlukan kerja keras sebelum system benar-benar 100% selamat di pasaran.
Development work mungkin di tahap sederhana kerana ianya tidak bermula dari sifar. Tetapi, tahukah anda Perodua sudah menutup department chassis design-nya, ianya 99% berharap kepada DMC Japan? dan DMC Japan juga berhadapan dengan kekangan tenaga kerja kerana mereka lebih fokus kepada projek utama. Tambahan pula, pembangunan ESC adalah cabaran yang amat besar.
Di pihak pembekal system ESC, adakah mereka ingin membekalkan produknya tanpa melepasi tahap piawaian keselamatan yang ditetapkan dan benar-benar yakin nyawa pengguna tidak diperjudikan. Tiada pembekal mahu menjadi tekenal seperti Takata atas sebab yang salah. Beribu-ribu jam diperlukan untuk pembangunan system ESC dan ianya akan diterjemahkan kepda kos yang perlu dibenjakan.
Agak sukar untuk Perodua memasang ESC dimodel sedia ada jika ia tidak mengeluarkan modal dan usaha yang besar (pastinya tidak disukai oleh Abang besar Perodua iaitu DMC & UMW). Dengan tahap kesedaran rakyat Malaysia yang semakin meningkat terhadap betapa pentingnya ESC, saya bersetuju dengan pendapat Safety First, it’s your call Perodua.
Jangan jadikan ESC sebagai point untuk melariskan jualan. Saya masih tertanya-tanya bagaimanakah pembangunan ESC sistem Bezza dilakukan oleh Perodua. Kerana ianya pertama kali dibangunkan oleh Perodua, tetapi tanpa sokongan department chassis-nya yang telah dibubarkan dalam tahun 2013-2014. Tambahan pula mendapat sokongan kejuruteraan yang minima oleh DMC (seperti yang dicanangkan). Adakah ianya benar-benar berkesan dan berfungsi dengan baik?
Bro, terima kasih atas maklumat tentang Perodua dah bubarkan chassic department. Kalau ia benar2 berlaku, aku hairan bagaimana dia orang dapat menclaimkan diri dpt menghasilkan Bezza dengan bantuan minima drp Toyota/Daihatsu?
Aku pun setuju penambahan ESP dlm Perodua lineup akan makan masa beribu2 jam testing dan tunning, dan kosnya mungkin mencecah ratusan juta Ringgit. Ttp aku masih tetap percaya dia orang dapat menghasilkannya. Lagipun, sales Perodua yg amat bagus dpt memberi mereka cash flow yg cukup utk melaksanakan project ini, cuma dia org tak mungkin menikmati profit margin yg sedia ada. Satu lagi faktor ialah Perodua mungkin berada dlm keadaan delima, sbb kalau dia betul2 melaksanakan projek ini, dia pasti akan meningkatkan kos keretanya kerana para pembeli tetap akan membiayai kos R&D dan kos tunning untuk ESC ni, ttp pada masa yg sama, kos kereta yg lebih tinggi akan menjadikan kereta Perodua kehilangan kelebihan saingan kepada Proton. Ini mungkin salah satu sebab Perodua menggunakan teknik “lengah” utk memperlahankan perlaksanaan ESC mandatori menjelang 2018.
Kalau Proton dpt menjual Iriz base model yg ada ESC dengan harga 39k, aku tak lihat kenapa Perodua tidak boleh menjual Axia G dengan ESC sekali dengan harga 36k. Itu pun belum kira Iriz merupakan pembangunan “ground up” oleh Proton sendiri, segala chassic, drivetrain, safety feature ditala oleh Proton tanpa bantuan org lain. Aku pun ragu2 Proton dah menguntung balik modal pelaburan 400juta dalam pembangunan Iriz dgn sales yg tdk begitu memberangsangkan serta Iriz tdk dieksport ke mana2 negara. Bayangkan betapa banyak profit margin yg diuntung oleh Perodua dalam kes Axia, di mana drivetrain, chassic dan bodyframe mmg diambil dr Toyota Agya yg sedia ada.
P2 is just an assembler for the japs. Amir is just an employee. Everything matter of engineering, he has to refer to his principal. That’s how the system goes.
When the government announced that E.S.C. will be made compulsory by June 2018 for the benefit of everyone, surely that must have raised someone’s heckles.
With the failing economy and stocks building up in the stockyards, it surely spells gloom and doom.
Now that the cat is out of the bag, it is most wise to crack the whip with E.S.C. instead of procrastinating its installation ANY FURTHER since that is going to take sometime.
Sales is surely going suffer in the immediate term for units without E.S.C. until E.S.C. made is available.
Perhaps this will be a good time to throw away prices to really move stocks but will the Malaysians take the bait OR will they sit-it-out until June 2018, if they do care indeed for their own safety.
Only time will tell but from the looks of things, the chosen road is FUTILE! Suggest change direction to mitigate losses!
transport minister…please no compromise, just because P2… I am sure ministry already study the june 2018 is enough time for all company to react
The time is upon us.
The song has been sang.
The tide is moving strong.
The wind is on our side.
BOYS…. and GIRLS
It’s time to bite Perodua
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA GAGAGAGAGAGAGA
Just rebadge all new models from Daihatsu equipped with ESC by 2018.. Perodua have very big parent company.. Solved
yes that the answer, they had rebadge for long time, sure expert to do it again and again
bezza for esc?
i just check out their website, only their damn bezza advance has esc!
not all variant has!
Yes you are right jc. Perhaps this is what CEO Datuk Aminar Rashid Salleh meant when he said that “We can’t merely install (the system) in a model that is not designed for it”, which inadvertently included Bezza Standard G and Bezza Premium X as these simply weren’t deigned for it.
it appears that the malaysian transport ministry wants to implement electronic stability control in new cars by june 2018 is because it has apparently given up on teaching malaysians how to drive more safely and thus decided on using electronic safety aids.
How did u know that? Oh wait, “it appears” and “apparently”… well at least u got the safety aid part correct… yes, AID.
Even with the mandatory use of electronic active safety aids, it will not and cannot guarantee the safety on our roads as these active safety devices are known to ASSIST law-abiding drivers only.
During the STOP THE CRASH event, I’ve noticed a group of automotive students in their uniform laughing and giggling away at the Honda’s motorbike simulator, with the Japanese taking notes on the rider’s nonchalant behaviour who was constantly and intentionally crashing into object, so that his friends would have a good laugh over it.
What a terrible attitude towards road safety and I surely hope the Transport Ministry will not give up teaching Malaysians about the importance of road safety especially among the younger generation.
It cannot be denied that most accidents are generally caused by these young drivers who are not only inexperienced but have this careless attitude towards road safety!
If perodua dont know how to put vsc in their cars, tutup kedai lah. Dont talk nonsense…as md of perodua, he talk only regards of dollar n cent. But technology and technically wise….does he know? Government should firm on this issue…
All new models launch this year even though myvi already launched few month ago.. New MPV and SUV also this year along with new gen kei kar or A-segment replacement..
Before I bought my Alza in 2014, I searched abt the model in Japan. I found that both Daihatsu and Toyota got the same model with different names and specs. But I found out that both models have VSC or vehicle stability control. Is this the same with ESC or electronic stability control?
it’s 2019 and suddenly perodua is now offering the vsc on the axia (read here:https://paultan.org/2019/08/21/2019-perodua-axia-facelift-brochure-vsc-asa-2-0/), and yet the mandatory vsc policy is no more heard…