Other than Proton, who else uses ‘FL’ to mark a facelift? This is the Chery Tiggo FL!
There are so many car brands in China that only a visit to a Chinese motor show will open one’s eyes. But apart from a handful, most of these brands are unknown outside the country, or province. One of the better known ones is Chery, which is also China’s largest passenger vehicle exporter.
Chery seems to have the vision its peers don’t. The Anhui based state owned company exported 122,441 vehicles in the first nine months of 2011, up 80% year-on-year. This surge of exports has allowed the company to achieve its original 2011 target of 122,000 units three months ahead of schedule. For the whole year, Chery expects to ship 180,000 vehicles overseas.
Who’s buying their cars? Exports to emerging markets have been especially strong. Fellow BRIC country Brazil is Chery’s largest export market, followed by Russia and Ukraine. Chery plans to export to Europe after 2015.
They won’t go it alone. According to a German report from last month, Chery Quantum Auto, a 1.5 billion euro joint venture between Chery and Israel Corp, will build three compact models to be sold in China and exported to Europe, reaching the continent next year. The cars, developed by Magna Steyr, will be built at a new factory near Shanghai with an initial capacity of 150,000 units per year, rising eventually to 500k units.
The cars, designed to meet Western standards and expected to cost around RM46,700 to RM63,500, will be sold under a new brand called Qoros. Read our post on that here.
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2nd pic… the front lamp looks attractive…
China cars already hitting export high on their cars… How about our “Jaguh Kampung” cars?!? P1 & P2?!?
Our Jaguh Kampongs??
Jaguh Kampong P1 just announced power window lifetime 10 years waranty, or 250K km, which ever come first.
Jaguh kampong P2, very busy with one basic model, 2 type of 1.3 and 1.5 engines, but plenty of variances – limited edition, special edition, sport edition, extreme edition, etc.
FOCUS on the topic… you said…
In this case, I response to littlefire comments!
u will be love to hear this from korean people
Automakers arrogance
Consumers fall victim to export-oriented strategy
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2011/05/202_86490.html
their car maker give their people 2 airbag where in other market they give 6!!!!
i will spam this comment..until people here response
p1 & p2 Not our Product oh…………..japan design ,here modifield,then be buatan
msia………..
1 thing that you should know is that Chery is just like Proton, owned by Gov. and Chery is lucky to have richer papa (China) compared to Proton :) their earlier products scored badly in crash rating, and being sued for few times for copyright infrigment… but they have improved in term of safety.
not so long time ago, i read Mitsu would rebadge Exora and Persona to be sold in South America, which includes Brazil, for Proton to rebadge Lancer. kind of model swap. what happen? only top people in Proton could tell us…
but i do hope Proton’s global car which should be ready by next year could penetrate export markets like Chery.
So when ppl manage better sales, u say their papa rich?!? Does Chery always bailed off like our P1 does?!? Huh?!?
what the hell.. simply put words into my mouth? the papa is rich, so i believe they have much bigger start-up funds. plus, they could reach economy of scale easily in a much bigger market, about 25 times bigger than Malaysia’s market size!
look at their earlier models, many are “copycat” to foreign designs. they’re ‘kebal’.. nobody could win the copyright case if they sue in China. and remember, they could force foreign automakers to share hybrid and EV technology. it was big in international news last year. with all the “shortcuts” you still praising chinese automakers and cursing P1?
dude, u never know what will happen, rite?
if the company or industry become soo big, any gov wouldn’t let them fall. look at Citreon and Kia. they became bankrupt during economic crisis and their gov stepped in to help, both are merged with another stronger company, so now we get Peugeot-Citreon and Hyundai-Kia.
just recently US gov bailed out GM and Chrysler which already 90-100 years old with billions of dollars. what are you going to say next?
ler Mofaz, jangan buat cerita bodohlah…
rileks, he is proton salesman. just let him do his work hihihi. look how hard he’s been trying to defend proton. every comment from him are biased and not worth reading.
aku tak buat cerita, kau yang bodoh sebab kurang membaca…
Hanya orang biadap, bodoh, angkuh seperti MoFaz yang masih tidak sedarkan diri.
Manakah official berita dari MMC konon Mitsubishi nak ambik kereta Exora dan Persona rebadged dan jual di Amerika Selatan?
Adakah Chery jual keretanya di luar negara lagi murah dari pasaran tempatannya? Tengok pada Proton…
China kaya tapi adakah kerajaan mereka tolong Chery sampai kereta import mesti dikenakan cukai? Kalau awak kaya tapi bodoh sebodohnya, awak rasa awak akan berjaya ker?
Citroen Kia kalau ada bantuan kerajaan, adakah kereta asing di negara mereka dikenakan cukai yang begitu tinggi seperti negaraku?
sudahlah, buang masa saya gaduh dengan budak terancak akal MoFaz, baik awak pergi cium, tidur dan mampus dengan kereta buruk Proton anda.
Siapa kata negara lain tidak kenakan cukai import yg tinggi bagi kereta buatan luar negara???
budak crap, aku dah cakap, jangan nak tunjuk pandai kalau kurang membaca. kalau bodoh, banyakkan membaca, bukan bercakap! semakin banyak kau bercakap, makin terserlah kebodohan kau.
ini yang ditulis oleh paultan sendiri:
“Other proposed areas that Mitsubishi and Proton are in discussions about include the rebadging of the Persona and the 2009 Proton MPV as a Mitsubishi in certain markets and the joint development of an A-segment hatchback (a new Savvy-sized vehicle), but when contacted by this blog, sources in Proton indicated these additional projects are at best only in discussion stages only, and not something confirmed.”
source: http://paultan.org/2008/12/05/next-generation-proton-waja-to-be-based-on-the-mitsubishi-lancer-platform/
harga Proton mahal di Malaysia disebabkan tax oleh kerajaan, bukan Proton yang saja letak mahal. Tax untuk kereta tempatan = 37.5% + 10% sales tax. Harga waja tanpa tax = RM38k. harga waja kat Arab = RM38k sebab tak ada tax di sana! Harga Camry 2.4 di Thailand lebih RM170k, harga di Arab RM80k SAHAJA. adakah harga Camry mahal di Thailand disebabkan oleh Proton??? bahlol la ko ni.
China kaya, USA pun kaya. memang sekarang belum terjadi di China, tapi ketika USA dilanda krisis, USA bagi berbilion dollars pada GM & Chrysler untuk membantu mereka.
aku pun penat melayan basher yang bodoh dan tak pandai nak membaca macam kau ni crap.
Mana ‘source’ awak dari MMC selain dari ‘proposal’ dari artikel yang ditulis oleh paultan? Kalau tak faham bahasa english pergi belajar dulu. Jangan berlagak pandai. Bodoh.
Kalau bukan kerajaan kita yang nak cukaikan kereta luar negara adakah Proton masih akan hidup dalam pasaran kita sendiri?
Walaupun kereta Camry thai sama harga dengan kita, kenapa kereta Vios, Hilux dan Altis mereka lebih murah dengan kita? Ambil kereta dari Langkawi buat perbandingan dan tanyalah awak sendiri. Bilakah kererta Proton pernah ada tax 37.5%?
China memang kaya, dengan populasi 1/6 dari populasi sedunia dan negara ke3 terbesar. Tak hiaranlah GDP mereka tinggi dari sesiapapun. Adakah ini dikira mereka kaya? dan sebab itu awak tuduh kerejaan mereka membantu Chery sehingga berjaya?
moFaz, awak cuma seorang yang Proton’s fanboys yang tak berfikiran waras dengan tuduhan bodoh anda.
aku rasa kau ni tak paham BM, english lagi lah hancur… crap betul la ko ni. berapa umur ko ni? dah lama follow paultan tak?
proposal tu memang dah lama, tahun 2008. tahun 2009 proton dah start working on inspira. masa tu masih berbincang dengan MMC tentang kerjasama proton-MMC. ko ingat bleh bincang sekejap lepas tu terus decide ke? so beberapa bulan yang lepas keluar statement dari proton dan mmc tentang kerjasama nak buat enjin, dan perkongsian parts. belum ada keputusan tentang exora dan persona tu. kan aku cakap “only top people in Proton could tell us…” ko paham ke tak ni??
kalau kau pandai sangat, cuba senaraikan berapa banyak negara dalam dunia ni yang tak ada cukai import kereta? US ada tax, UK ada tax, even Jepun dan Korea pun ada tax!
aku dah cakap, ko ni memang bodoh. info ada banyak dalam internet, merata-rata, tapi ko tak pandai cari.. ko mmg crap! excise duty utk foreign CKD dan import ialah 75% (untuk 1800cc kebawah), diskaun 50% untuk national car status, maknanya proton dan perodua hanya kena excise duty 37.5%. paham tak?? kemudian, semua kereta kena 10% sales tax. kalau ko tak paham ni memang ko la yang tak waras.
aku dah pernah explain tentang harga kereta langkawi. memang jelas ko ni baru masuk paultan terus nak berlagak pandai… langkawi memang tak ada tax, tapi dealer sana ambil untung lebih tinggi sebab jualan terlalu sedikit. kalau untung kecil, tak dapat cover cost kedai dan gaji pekerja. pengedar toyota pun ambil untung lebih tinggi di langkawi. harga tanpa tax dalam MM2H untuk Vios 1.5G ialah RM55k, tapi harga di langkawi yang also tax-free jadi RM65k.
cuba ko cari info pasal Chery. Chery tu ditubuhkan oleh kerajaan China, sama macam kerajaan Malaysia menubuhkan Proton. kalau modal bukan datang dari kerajaan China, dari mana?? Kalau orang lain yang tubuhkan atau memiliki Chery, ia takkan dipanggil “state-owned”. paham tak ni????
dah la, malas nak layan ko dah. makin banyak ko cakap, makin jelas kebodohan ko.
kenapa company china lebih cepat berkembang drpd proton kita?? so sad to see this news… :(
somethings still missing from our proton, they hv not responded fast enuf for the world market needs, that’s why…. n dun depend on gomen protection all the time, grow up n b responsible manufacturer, fulfill current n further market needs, then u stand to gain some ground. but act fast, cause consumers dun wait. either u fulfill a current /further market need or create a need that many ppl want. that’s consumerism… forget all abt protectionism. u wan to go global, forget neopotism, crynonism…. ur EV could b the next thing the world is waiting for, develop further on that. improvement hv been seen on the saga flx, do more… like i mentioned b4, either create a need everyone wants or fulfill current/further mkt needs. still the EV sounds promising, go into high gear for this
The Anhui based state owned company … don’t you ever read? This clearly state that this company is owned by the government of China, so is Proton owned by the gov of Malaysia. And can you tell us which gov in this world that doesn’t practice nepotism, cronyism, whatever ism there is. Whatever the deal between Chery and Brazil is a deal between two gov, perhaps Brazil is exporting their AWACS airplanes. With the recent budget announced we can see that our gov has to rethink on their spending. Unless Proton is bought over by a filthy rich Malaysian billionaire that has no connection whatsoever to the gov, who has plenty to splash out than you might get your wishes.
1. china market besar.
xsume org mampu pakai vw kt sana, so kete tempatan still a perfect choice.
2. nasionalism masih kuat.
Why ? Isn’t it obvious ? I think it’s because Chery is run by more competent management compared our not so competent people at Proton.
C’mon just look at Singapore and compare it to Malaysia
i tot people usually said china has many corrupted gov people..u all said in previous2 postt…suddenly change when name of proton involve?
no car maker from Singapore how to compare, or u want to compare with gov has better cronyism? if that so Singapore la…and their current gov almost lost in this yr gen election
for china, slow and steady win the race… admit it, proton is simply too slow and too steady.
am not asking for proton to increase their export by 80%, just a steady 10% every year is also a problem.
Proton should stop producing low quality cars, go for higher quality cars, give 5 years warranty, this will change proton’s image. come on, 25 years is more than enough.
And not just focus warranty for power window only….
Not exactly they are only focusing on power windows. They still working on Campro Turbo, CVT tranny already hit market and Exora REEV and Saga EV was currently on testing.. Next was Persona replacement. Where has u been?
People already selling hybrid & electric cars on the road.. we still testing… lolz…
Just visit their website and check the cars under EV…
http://cheryinternational.com/
but not all manufacturer have their EV on the road right? what ur point anyway? do u have any better plan other than barking in here?
Our P1 & P2 pace is too slow compare to other newer competitors!!! We still protected so much by our G (Cronies) that the national debt is getting more & more!!! I already foreseen if still going on like this, we are going to be eaten alive not only by China, but also Thailand or Indonesia!!! If both of them is not pushing it faster & better, especially P1 who will going to support them?!? We all knew that if want better income is to sell it overseas as we can earn more foreign income into our country!!!
as expected. U dont even have a better plan other than barking, pointing and blaming the others. And oh boy… u should become a politician… I’m tired with politic.. sigh…
for malaysia, slow and steady also but… too slow and tak jadi-jadi. what a shame???
Proton cn do it, give a market of 1 billion people with 1 million engineers. And plenty of money to spend, and can recover in 2 years time. Thats what china comoany have.
Good news for China car maker but bad news for P1 & P2.. Their move are too slow..
Why we need to take P1, P2 or Naza to compare with Chinacar?
They have very big domestic market and way too competitive to be the best. They are superpower country and not surprise that every nation try to gain investment from them.
In other hand, we Malaysia have nothing. Even how our national car try to be success they just would be fail and ended in our domestic market alone.
Just forget about it.
As long as the jaguh kampung still need the “tongkat” from our corrupted govt,. it will forever be a cronic patient who is forever consigned to a “high dependency unit” & shamelessly leeching the poor rakyat for its survival !!
hey proton, you see that? that’s how you ‘SCALE’!
why don’t they sale proton there? i still remember the story of one of our embassy staff that being hostage at peru if i not mistake. the terrorist as them about proton car. that is back at 90s. but till now no proton car at south america. what a shame….
previously i also support proton, now change to chery n nissan car. proton = lousy
I think because it’s left-hand drive :(
Anyway, Proton set its aim too high … wanted to conquer UK (Europe?) with Waja … with a tagline that went something like “Asia’s answer to BMW…” or something… :mrgreen:
Proton should have tried Asean countries and India long time ago…. more realistic. But of course… koman la like that… mana ada kelas… sell to mat saleh in London lagi more high standard… :mrgreen:
there did sell the car to british.. in the famous tv programme somemore!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0Keb_qlBRw
Chery: Founded March 18, 1997
Proton: Founded 1983
One operates in a perfect competition and thriving.
The other protected by gomen and dreaming.
dreaming? for proton and her vendors – yes, they are dreaming in their big palaces, bmw, rolex, holiday and etc….
for us, it is nightmare.
just like sin vs msia…….
For 14 year old company, Chery is doing very well..
And our 28 years old P1 is still worry about the power windows issue :(
Time to stop the breast feeding from the Gomen mama. Shame on you! P1.
Chery is doing very well.. ????
itemised ur VERY WELL?..
I like breastfeeding!!
The only open secret of this success for Chinese car company is economic of scale compared to ours. Haiya..logic maa…make sense…0.1% of 1 billion people already 1 million cars sold but in Malaysia 28 million people 1% only 280 000 cars sold. See the math?? So they can break even faster than proton which the profit will translated into more R&D capex and rapid new improved products.
yeah, like the Koreans got economy of scale of such magnitude? Sure there are probably 2 times more Koreans than Malaysians, but they have 3 – 4 national car, we have 1 – 2 (depending on how u look at things).
It all depends on determination to succeed, and hiring the best to do the job.
Dont give so many reasons…We want to see result and no reason to use rakyat money to protect P1 for 26 years++.. Success company always showing proven result, loser company alway give reason and blame everything..
how about pessimistic & invaded mind of many malaysians?
koreans are proud of themselves, do malaysians have the same attitude?
Do P1 have the same attitutde with Hyundai/Kia?
but……… did you know that P1 & P2 only get 60% of Malaysian market, but Korean carmakers get 95% in Korea? Hyundai alone could grab almost 50%!… most probably you’d say I’m lying for saying that they’re protected in their home market.
I believe there was a time when both P1 and P2 have 70 – 80% market share, what happened?
Yes, Koreans cars was protected, so was the Japs. But the Korean knew those are borrowed time and they use it to improve their product.
For proton, they continue to sell that outdated saga and wira coz malaysians don’t have much choices coz they are the cheapest.
Latuk,
P1 had 70% market share 2 decades / 20 years ago. that time our market size was just around 200,000 units. Proton was able to build Tg Malim plant and aquire Lotus in 1996… at that time RM was strong, US$1 = RM2.50
Hyundai currently hold about 45-47% Korea market. that 45% is already the same size as entire Malaysian car market, which is over 600,000 units. current proton production is only around 150,000. imagine if Proton have production size as big as Hyundai.. 4 times bigger than what proton have now. definitly they can spend more on R&D and produce more models quickly.
Not lying, just half truth. You never mentiond Korean get their own car at market price. Hyundai Sonata selling at Korea for RM 60K ++ only. They deserve 95% for that. But our rebadge 15 years old Perdana still selling at around RM 100K.
dude, tax is gov policy…
proton saga is RM25k and Waja is RM38k only if without tax!
this below article bout korean car industry that i dig in the net
Carmakers succeed in localizing foreign models
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/07/291_69133.html
Yeah, but korean people so patriotic that they even buy their own lousy products decades ago. They subside the exported cars so that the cars company can dump their cars in exported market. Malaysians? Ask yourselves le. Google it and you see what people wrote.
Yes. Korean have 80 million population. 1% of 80 million is equal to 800 000 units of cars. See the figure?
Korea population is 45 million….and we are talking about %.
A loser will always find lame excuses for his failure. And then shiok sendiri.
you have not add 14 years of advantages, that that is x14.
noneed find excuse for Protong.
Its so ironic in this past few post..
1) Naza Malaysia bring in Indian motorbike
2) Naza Pug508 test review (which will be in Msia soon)
3) China Chery hit export target..
Isnt it a slap to the face of all Msian who has P1/P2 how many years ahead of China? a close economy until 1990s? Dont even mention about Korean now, its only a shiok sendiri that we try to compare with korean car, where they conquering the biggest USA market now..
P1? P2? its only mean to squeeze the $$ from all Malaysian!!! period!!
p1 …..i think is management problem………like msia air…..hahaha….
when p1 got suv ???????????????
wah not bad
p1 has partner youngman to rebadge their cars, remember guys, but sadly, with so much choices in china, i think our gen-2 rebadge will be overlooked by many
Looks good but hopefully Chery can lift up their game in the safety count. Over here, Chery recalls two models, the J11 SUV and J1 city car due to safety concerns. They scored sub par two stars and three stars consecutively in the ANCAP. The modifications would not matter much to the results according to the safety testers as fundamentals not addressed. Here is a link to the article:
http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/another-chinese-car-safety-recall-20110928-1kw38.html
Cheap cars but you do get what you pay for. For most people, safety only counts in emergency which in most cases it is a case of a little too late.
Come to think of it the most popular car in china is VW…..lotsa of A6….govt use it as official car. Merc & BMW for the upper class. Not many china made cars seen when I was in Beijing
The chinese Car like Chery will kick Hyundai/KIA ass in half a decade time, without the price advantage Korean car are DOOM.
half a decade?! more like 100 years!
CHERY copy cat..n send spy to steal technology from oother company..of course ” pencuri ” always succeed..easy money easy money
CHERY =SPY=”PENCURI”
hahaha
so in business if u want easy money = so send ur spy and steal new technology like samsung stole apple technology…..and claim as own technology bull***….
SO sorry i no respect to CHERY car…..be honest…
P1/P2 also got “copycat” called re-badged in a legal way.. :P
but proton more honest than Chery…..
If technology so easy to steal or buy….then Malaysia also can make Rocket…guess u know nuts about technology
aiya…why u so angry…???malaysian or Malaysia…already made rocket during hari raya “mercun rocket” ha ha ha..technology from China…
second rocket is DAP copy from Singapore..very clear …Malaysian has been copy cat and got technology from other…..ha ha
aiya u want talk about car technology or just for bashing …got nothing..i think u want supporting ur favourite product..isit???
enough is enough…be honest …
There is no point comparing companies that operate in different environment. Eg, some say Chinese market is huge with its 1.2 billion people and ours is small. But we need to remember the competition is also very stiff in China with so many manufacturers..
Hence, every market has its own advantages and challenges..
But, personally without comparing with other companies, P1 and P2 are indeed taking its own sweet time to improve on quality and costings. Perhaps there isn’t much incentives to improve much because the demand will still be there for their car models due to government policies.
Sorry Sucker…looks like u are a sore loser…if technology so easily stolen…u now nothing about technology i guess
im know nothing or u know everything???…in business ..businessman can stolen market share…investment share and etc..is’it imposible the company stolen technology???…Chery is the one…example.
haiya friend i know ur got CGPA4.0 what degree ur answer at ur own but the knolwledges below pars….think reality in business …dont just guess we live in reality not fantasy friend…guess mean:”agak-agak”..so in business no guess terms …