Perodua has released its sales figures for 2009, and it comes as no surprise that the Rawang based company ended the year in top spot. Perodua sold 166,700 units to top Malaysia’s sales charts for the fourth consecutive year. The 2009 total is also the second highest in the company’s history.
With that, Perodua’s market share is 31.3 per cent, which is an improvement over 30.5 per cent in 2008, when it sold 176,400 units. “We did considerably well in 2009 with a minimal contraction of 0.4 per cent despite the global economic downturn,” said Perodua’s new managing director Aminar Rashid Salleh at a meeting with the media this afternoon.
Aminar, previously from UMW Toyota, attributed some of Perodua’s success to the Government’s scrapping scheme, which brought 20,000 new sales to Perodua. Perodua’s top seller continues to be the Myvi, which contibuted over 90,000 of the total figure. He also revealed Perodua’s target for 2010, which is to sell 176,000 units.
Here are some updates on the Alza. We haven’t seen that many of Perodua’s small MPV on the road, and it’s been confirmed that our eyes are not problematic. 18,000 bookings have been received to date, but so far less than 3,000 units have been delivered. Perodua promises to reach 3,000 by the end of this month and to produce/deliver about 4,000 units per month beginning March (February is a short month with the Chinese New Year break).
Currently, the waiting period for the Alza is from three and a half to four months; Perodua aims to cut this to 2-2.5 months. There won’t be a repeat of the epic waiting list that Myvi buyers had to endure; Perodua admits that they underestimated demand for the Myvi when it was launched.
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congrats to Perodua..anyway i hope u guys will reduce the price of your cars..
hahaha.. he says "epic"
lol
tahniah perodua for making into the top sales chart.. clap2.. this year pls make your rnd department a reality :)
Any Nautica replacement this year?
with its TOYOTA dna, sure can sell more in the future!!!!!!!!!!!
Although they only rebadge, the Quality is there and the dvvt engine mad
better than campro, which results in good FC
Great job!!!
We want kembara replacement and local assembly SUV!
Myvi still sell quite good? hmmm…
Expected
nazri said,
tahniah perodua for making into the top sales chart.. clap2.. this year pls make your rnd department a reality
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It is not in Perodua's strategy to invest in RnD. Why should they? After all they still top the sales charts yet again. What they have now is a winning formula so why alter it and screw it up like the other manufacturer. Sales is what every one is after at the end of the day.
Perodua C-segment sedan, anyone?
Why Perodua is more successful than Proton?
aLZA LOoks liKe FranKenstein
when i look at the pictures of alza on the web i thought that it was big but when i saw the actual alza it turned out be very small. pictures can be deceiving.
Congratulation Perodua!
Although I don't like most of your designs but you've manage to provide better quality, technology and pricing to fellow Malaysians.
At least you're doing way much better compare than that "protected big brother" of yours. P1 "bagaikan anak susah bercerai susu dari mak". Still want to suckle milk (people's money) till kingdom comes.
Thehehe.
kalau duplicate sume org boleh bro..try make with ur own hand
change batch is really ok.
who can beat toyota in terms of R&D??
proton will rebatch the new lancer right??
so all the money into longkang again.
buatan malaysia konon, design malaysia konon, end up rebatch lancer and this will be huge success again. just like legend of Proton wira.
Conratulation perodua. My friends there said they got big bonus even during this economic crisis.
My wish for your all (perodua) – you got money, you got profits…now, get more knowledge. Dont let your japanese boss control you. Focus on your own R&D, improve it, your human capital, enrich all malaysian worked there with technology you get from your parents (T&D). Most importantly, built & sale your own car! After that, i'll respect you even when you have unsolved power window & door handle problems.
Good luck!
Great job!!!
We want kembara replacement and local assembly SUV!
err…nautica is the replacement for kembara based on daihatsu beego/toyota rush. except it's a cbu unit with 'epic' price..hehehe
Good Job to Produa.. use the money for RnD, create own in-house design car.
the most potential buyers for perodua is WOMEN….
if proton can attract women to buy their product..sure can get best sales…
Hmmm.. Pinkish Persona should be GOOD IDEA.. make it limited version for women, and also extra discount for make up accessories.. sure best sales…!!
SY0H said,
January 20, 2010 @ 5:21 pm
Congratulation Perodua!
Although I don’t like most of your designs but you’ve manage to provide better quality, technology and pricing to fellow Malaysians.
At least you’re doing way much better compare than that “protected big brother” of yours. P1 “bagaikan anak susah bercerai susu dari mak”. Still want to suckle milk (people’s money) till kingdom comes.
Thehehe.
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you are talking as if perodua is not enjoying the same status of the big brother.
Perodua is doing better than Proton for so many reasons. Their products are better designed (overall) and quality is not an issue. Proton hasn't got their act together… yet. If they ever do, I expect them to do better than Perodua, but until then, it's still advantage Perodua.
Some of Proton's illogical moves in recent times…
1) Savvy – enough said.
2) Satria Neo – While it may not be a bad car overall, why did they spend such a big chunk of R&D on developing a niche model that is limited in market? I mean, how many 2 door cars are there in the market? And if you want to develop a 2 door model, then it better have the performance to match… not the anemic 1.6 Campro/CPS
3) 1.6 Campro CPS/IFM – how many models can share one engine? Saga, Gen2, Persona, Satria Neo, Exora. If the Exora came with a powerful & frugal 1.8 or 2.0, I bet you it will out sell the Alza by the bucketloads. A lot of potential buyers cannot get pass the anemic 1.6 engine… me included.
In before all that flack comes in….
Signs they are doing something right (or someone else doing something very wrong). But I do see complecency setting in (perhaps this is the nature of Malaysian automotive industry – a few good years and then it does down the drain). The Alza seems to have some teething problems with bad manufacturing and a gradual cheap'ing feel across the range (they can't seem to bother with proper sound insulation for the Alza's roof??….thats really sad for a 70k car).
The buying public has voted with thier money. But doesn't mean they will vote again if your products are crap. And don't think they buy your procduts because you make good cars, they buy yours because someone else makes worst cars…..
Generally in bad times, small car manufacturers will do better, but watch out, Naza's comin' a knocking…..with a very impressive range.
3 months wait for alza???..i never tot alza to be this hot!
kudos perodua…no matter wat ppl say, don't alter your current plans…its working nice and you have sales figure to prove it…don't invest in r&d and sorts and spoil your products…leave that to the professionals..
org bodo je beli keta perodua enjin toyota cina tapi mengaku jepun punya hahahaha
tttuuuutttts said
org bodo je beli keta perodua enjin toyota cina tapi mengaku jepun punya hahahaha
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org bodo macam engko aje yang percaya kereta proton takde spare parts dari cina tapi mengaku buatan tempatan.
hahahaha
who's that guy in the pic?? another puppet???
prrrfthhh
Wolfswagen said,
January 20, 2010 @ 5:05 pm
Why Perodua is more successful than Proton?
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easy.. because of TnD DNA
and ah beng japs wannabe also contribute a lot…
prrrfthhh
Macam dah agak dah….. penduduk malaysia masih lagi mengagungkan jepun lagi walaupun "downgrade" kualiti dijual dengan harga mahal… kesian…. keuntungan dari kawalan kerajaan keatas kereta import diaorang dapat tapi yang untung lebih orang jepun gak sebab kualiti dah dikurangkan tapi jual dengan harga mahal untung dapat kat jepun… Macam biasa…. sekarang ada 4 model yang dah banyak kali buat facelift setiap 6 ke 8 bulan sekali tapi tak penah kena kutuk…. masalah teknikal pun banyak tak settle tapi pengguna dia diamkan aje sebab antar ke SC terus diam walaupun banyak kali dah repair…. biasa la…. dah ada kena mengena dengan Toyota…. kang komplain kang kata tipu….. aihhhh…. camnie le rakyat malaysia walaupun dah 52 tahun merdeka tapi masih macam tu gak….. suka kena jajah…
I understand if you wanna bash P1, but i could not figure out why you at the same time praise P2 too much. For me P2 does not deserved this..
1- rebadge model, not any model..but outdated model (viva for example, already manufactured 4 yrs before being assembled by P2)
2-Price..really cekik darah..viva, nautica..doesnt make sense!!
3-Not aggressively venture into export market..till when you can rely on local market..more export, more production, more Job.
to P2, my personal view, its OK with you want to rebadge, but you should designed, manufactured at least one model (like what Holden did with it Commodore).
Try open the car market to outsiders, without "protection" from the G, remove the stupid and bias NAP, free from Cronies and the gang of thieves…….
then we see if Perodua can compete or not….
I do not hate P2 or P1 but they have to move ahead, be competitive or loose their ground….
peYno said,
January 20, 2010 @ 6:48 pm
Wolfswagen said,
January 20, 2010 @ 5:05 pm
Why Perodua is more successful than Proton?
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easy.. because of TnD DNA
and ah beng japs wannabe also contribute a lot…
prrrfthhh
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proton also got a lot of contribution from ur so called ah beng japs wannabe…suka suka stick mitsubishi on their protons…
LOL~! Here come Proton hardcore supporters to the rescue.. Just like those Man U fans, give a lot of excuse or divert topic when loss but when win talk so big..
Dilema Proton
Dipetik dari luahan engineer Proton…
Assalamualaikum,
Yang ni saya kena jawab la sebab banyak sangat misinformation. Biasanya information yang berpindah dari satu mulut ke satu mulut yang lain akan berubah menjadi sensasi. Itu lah masyarakat kita. Kita bukan mendapat firsthand info tapi berdasarkan cerita yang telah ditokok tambah. Ini dia cerita dari orang dalam yang duduk ditengah-tengah R&D PROTON.
“Saya ada kenalan dari kastam boleh confirmkan perkara ni.. member saya kerja kastam kat kelang dan beliau sendiri yang maklumkan yg salah satu tugas dia adalah buat checking penerimaan barangan proton untuk di pasangkan di negara ni. Satu kontena enjin je.. manakala kontena lain adalah pintu, body dan sebagainya. sama lah dengan kereta lain juga.”
Kalau kita lalu kat kawasan glenmarie tu, akan ternampak lah satu tanda… Kilang Enjin Proton. Tanda tu tak duduk kat situ untuk suka suka je. Kalau kita jengok kat dalam…. Boleh nampak besi cair yang dituang kedalam acuan untuk membuat enjin block. Memang proton ada mengimpot enjin tapi dari kelas 1.2 dan 2 liter. 1.2liter untuk Savvy (enjin Renault) dan
2.0liter untuk Perdana. Tapi untuk enjin 1.3, 1.5, 1.6 proton buat sendiri. Untuk pintu pulak… hanya kereta-kereta Perdana sahaja yang proton beli pintu dari Mitsubishi. For your information, Untuk membuat pintu sahaja memerlukan dekat 20 acuan. Bayangkan lah 4 pintu. Modal itu shaja sudah hampir RM50 juta. So untuk kereta yang volume kecil, kita beli dari luar.
Untuk kereta Isawara, Wira, Waja, Gen2, Savvy… 100% body dibuat di Malaysia .
“Bayangkan dah 20 tahun menanti kereta Malaysia yang sebenarnya tak
keluar-keluar lagi. Bagi yang berkemampuan sudah tentu tak mahu
menggunakan injin kenderaan berteknologi 70an, 80an dan 90an yang
diubahsuai. Sudah tentu ramai nak teknologi terkini dan sebenarnya milik kita. Secara umumnya proton masih belum ada enjin sendiri lagi.. jadi adalah sukar hendak dikatakan kalau ianya adalah kereta Malaysia
yang sebenarnya. Pengeluaran kenderaan adalah berdasarkan injinnya barulah boleh dikatakan ianya kenderaan negara sebenarnya.”
Disini lagi ada misinformation. Memang untuk kereta Perdana kita impot enjin dari Jepun. Untuk Savvy kita gunakan enjin Renault. Untuk Isawara, Wira dan Waja kita buat enjin di Malaysia walaupun design original
dia dari Mitsubishi. Tapi enjin Gen-2 adalah enjin terkini yang direka oleh jurutera Proton dan dibina di Malaysia. Enjin tersebut menggunakan teknologi terkini. Jadi kenyataan diatas agak menyesatkan sedikit. Naza, Perodua…. Masih lagi membawa enjin dari luar. Modal untuk mereka dan mengeluarkan enjin ni amat besar. Nak dapat return pun bukan nya sekejap. Tapi demi maruah dan kemajuan, kita korbankan keuntungan jangka pendek. Selagi kita tidak mengeluarkan enjin sendiri.. selagi itu kita tidak tahu. Sekarang kita telah pun mengeluarkan enjin sendiri… orang masih tidak percaya. Itu lah masalah orang kita… memandang rendah kebolehan anak negara sendiri.
“Selama ini proton bergantung kepada Mitsubishi sebagai rakan teknikal. Oleh kerana kontrak selama 20 tahun telah tamat. Maka proton terpaksalah mencari rakan teknikal yang baru dan bermulalah masalah melanda proton. Sudah tentu rakan teknikal baru tidak mahu meneruskan rekaan dan teknologi mitshubishi lagi. So apa kan jadi pada kereta proton yang ada
sekarang ni untuk masa akan datang.”
Tidak wujud kontrak 20 tahun dengan Mitsubishi. Mereka adalah rakan kongsi. Bertahun tahun kita berkerjasama dengan Mitsubishi tetapi teknikal apa yang mereka turunkan. Kalau kita pernah berkerja dengan orang Jepun atau Korea , mereka inilah yang paling kemut ilmu. Tapi bab nak korek ilmu kita, dia orang rajin habis.Korang jangan terkejut bila saya cakap yang idea
kita pun banyak yang Jepun curi. So bila kita mula menuntut teknologi baru dari mereka… mula lah nak caj dan nak ikat royalti yang tak munasabah. Nak mintak copy teknikal drawing zaman dulu sekeping pun dia orang caj beribu ribu. Mulalah kita pandang teknologi dari barat dan teknologi sendiri. Sebab itu kita beli Lotus.. Kita ignore Jepun. Bila kita design sesuatu yang lebih baik… laju je dia orang hantar balik information ke Mitsubishi. Last-last kita pun mula bersikap secrecy dengan dia orang… lama lama
diaorang fed up dan mintak keluar. Lagi pun dia orang dah nampak afta nanti dia orang akan masuk balik ke Malaysia.
Perodua… kenapa daihatsu/toyota memberi enjin latest dia orang…. Sebab Perodua tu 100% milik Toyota/Daihatsu. Dah lama UMW menjual saham dia orang kepada Jepun. Proton…. Milik Malaysia .
“Mungkin ada yang tahu dan ada yang tak tahu yang proton yang digunakan pakai sekarang adalah barangan Mitshubishi. Samalah seperti kereta lain.. tukar lambang je..”
Inilah susah orang kita ni…. Banyak mendengar cerita sensasi yang
banyak ditaruk banyak rempah ratusnya….. Memang pada mulanya kita
belajar… selepas itu kita buat sendiri.Saya adalah seorang yang terlibat dengan kerja kerja tersebut.
Saga – base dia Lancer lama. Kita Cuma tukar depan dan belakang
sikit.
Iswara – base Saga, kita mula belajar untuk design kereta sendiri. Masa ni Mitsubishi dah tak berapa setuju bila kita menubuhkan R&D. So kita menggunakan khidmat penasihat dari UK .
Wira – Disini berpuluh puluh designer dan engineer Proton dihantar ke Jepun untuk kerjasama design kereta baru. Proton dan Mitsubishi kongsi modal. Hampir 2 tahun kami disana. Bahagian tengah dikongsi bersama.
Depan dan Belakang, design asing-asing. Lampu depan dan belakang share sebab nak kurang kan cost. Hasilnya Proton Wira-Mitsubishi Lancer.
Orang akan kata hah kongsi je sebab tak tahu buat kerja…. Tapi ada orang kata apa apa bila Ford dan Mazda berkongsi bahagian tengah? Ford Laser dan Mazda 323 adalah kereta yang sama. Ada orang komplen? Bila
orang Malaysia yang buat begitu… orang Malaysia sendiri yang nak mengutuk. Tak ramai yang tahu seksa bekerja kat Jepun sebab dia orang suka curi idea. Bayang kanlah semasa kami design dashboard untuk
Wira… masa tu Mitsubishi sudah pun siap soft tooling mould untuk dashboard kereta dia… Bila mereka tengok dashboard Proton, Mereka sanggup letak designer dia depan design kita untuk mengubahsuai kembali rupa bentuk dashboard mereka. Kalau kita pernah tengok dashboard mitsubishi lancer… hampir samakan. Itu mereka yang meniru bukan kita. Ianya menunjukkan kita bukan tak pandai… Cuma masyarakat sendiri berfikiran macam itu.
Perdana – untuk membuat satu satu design bukannya murah. Nak balik modal pun lama. Jumlah kereta yang dijual pun kena banyak.
So, kalau nak buat Perdana…. Sampai habis pun tak balik modal. So yang ni memang
kita ambil kereta dari mitsubishi dan pasang di Malaysia. Cuma kita tukar depan dan belakang, dan bahagian dalaman.
Tiara – Tiara adalah bukan product Proton. Ia adalah keluaran DRB. Tapi kita kena tunduk dengan arahan dari atas untuk mereka menggunakan lambang Proton.
Waja – Waja adalah permulaan kita untuk menunjukkan kita mampu melakukan kerja sendiri. 100% didesign orang orang kita. Tapi untuk kejuruteraan kita memerlukan consultant dari luar.. mainly dari Eropah
dan Amerika. Bukan sebab tak pandai tapi kita tak cukup kakitangan. Nak design kereta bukan seperti menjahit baju. Kebaikan dari mengambil consultant dari luar memang membuka mata kita… kita adalah setaraf
dengan kebolehan mereka. Nak design kereta ni memerlukan beratus ratus kakitangan. Bukannya sedikit.
Gen2 – 100% didesign oleh orang kita. Consultant dari luar hanya sedikit sebab kakitangan kita semakin ramai. Kita mula menggunakan enjin yang didesign sendiri.
Savvy – 100% dedesign sendiri. Cuma enjin sahaja kita menggunakan Renault sebab kita tidak ada enjin bersaiz kecil. Well…. Kehebatan enjin Renault sudah terbukti bila mereka memenangi F1. Disin banyak berita palsu disebarkan oleh mereka yang tidak bertanggung jawab.Contohnya… Savvy adalah Tiara dan menggunakan chasis Tiara lama. Savvy tidak ada kena mengena dengan Tiara. Savvy adalah baru, 100%. Tidak ramai yang tahu bahawa Savvy menggunakan HTHS steel (High Tensile High Strength Steel). Sebab tu body Savvy kuat. Memang ada terpampang kereta Savvy kemek kerana accident. Well… kereta mercedes, volvo, BMW pun kemek bila accident. Tapi tak ramai yang tengok keadaan dalaman Savvy yang
accident tu… In fact. Kukuh. Saudara saudari… Bila kita design kereta ni.. yang paling penting adalah keselamatan penumpang. Memang kereta didesign untuk crumple bila ada impact. Itu untuk menyerap daya
hentakan supaya bukan manusia yang menerima hentakan kuat. Rating TUV Germany memberikan 3 star untuk Proton. BMW 5 series pun dapat 3 star. Ramai yang kata Savvy ni tak sedap bila memandu. Tapi tanyalah yang
bercakap tu… adakah mereka pernah memandu Savvy. Kebanyakan nya tidak. Hanya mendengar dari orang lain.
Lain lain – Ada banyak lagi yang saya tak boleh cerita sebab ada secrecy act. Proton pun ada design kereta untuk company lain dan ada membuat part untuk company lain. Proton ada juga buat reverse engineering untuk
motosikal lumba (tahun tu dia champion) tapi kita tidak boleh menceritakan sebab dasar secrecy kita. Mungkin sesetengah orang yang memakai certain kereta mewah tidak tahu yang part kereta mereka dibuat di proton. Kalau Proton tak elok… masakan mereka mengkontrakkan proton untuk membuat kereta mereka.
“Berbalik kepada masalah yang sedang dihadapi oleh proton. Kenapa ianya harus berlaku perkara sebegini. Apakah yang sebenarnya telah berlaku dan dibuat oleh proton dalam masa 20 tahun untuk membina kenderaan nasional sendiri. Memang ada R&D proton cuba mendapatkan struktur dan bahan-bahan untuk membuat injin tapi gagal mendapatkan resepinya.”
Proton memang dah ada enjin sendiri. Yang terpasang dekat Gen-2 tu apa dia. Bab-bab bahan untuk membuat enjin tu senang je. Kebanyakan pengeluar kereta menggunakan besi yang sama sebab pengeluar besi
dalam dunia ni bukan banyak. Kita Cuma bagi specifikasi je. Nak design enjin tu yang susah. Transmition yang paling susah. Untuk info lah… kami
masih lagi dalam proses untuk mereka cipta transmition sendiri. Bukan macam nak buat karipap tau.
“Penubuhan proton sejak 20 tahun yang lampau tidak mencapai objektif yang sebenarnya. Dimana silapnya? Berapa ramaikah yang tahu bilakah ilham proton ini sebenarnya timbul dan berapa lamakah usaha dilakukan
bagi membolehkan impian ini tercapai.”
Mungkin ramai yang mengganggap hanya seorang perdana menteri sahaja terlibat. Cuma pada zaman Tun M baru persetujuan dapat dicapai setelah Mitshubishi bersetuju menjadi rakan teknikal dengan bersyarat. (syarat ni tak bolehlah diberi tahu.. sebab ianya adalah OSA)
Penubuhan Proton lebih mencapai objectif nya. Pada mulanya Proton hanya di rancang untuk membuat kereta bukan untuk merekacipta kereta. Kita menubuh R&D, Mitsubishi tidak setuju. Ye la… siapa nak bagi kita pandai kan . Cuba check dekat Perodua, berapa ramai jurutera dari Proton bekerja dekat sana, Head of R&D Perodua…bekas Proton, Head of Styling…bekas
Proton, Head of Planning…bekas Proton, Head of Production…bekas Proton (rasa-rasanya dah kena kebas dekat Naza), Head of Engineering Services…bekas
Proton. Ratarata mereka yang senior dekat sana dari proton. We trained them… orang lain ambil cara senang je.
Naza pulak.. Head of R&D….bekas Proton. Head of Production…bekas
Proton. Honda pun ramai bekas Proton, DRB Pekan… Head dia pun bekas
proton, Inokom… head dia pun bekas proton. Itu kira head je…bukan lagi kira engineer dan designer. So it meets its objective untuk memajukan orang-orang kita. Mainly orang Melayu. Naza sendiri tidak menyangkal
kereta Naza mainly didevelop oleh bekas kakitangan Proton. So… orang Proton tak bagus?
Kita belum lagi kira bekas pekerja proton yang diambil oleh consultant luar negara… dari America, Eropah sampai ke Jepun.Tau tak kita kakitangan Proton telah memenangi pertandingan mereka design kereta anjuran Ford. Beliau mendapat tempat pertama. Bukan bertanding diperingkat Malaysia . Tapi di peringkat antarabangsa. Memang beliau mendapat tawaran kerja dari syarikat kereta gergasi Amerika dan Eropah. Tapi kami tabik bila dia decide nak stay dekat Malaysia sebab taknak anak-anak membesar dinegara lain. Ada orang tau…?
“Selama 20 tahun proton pergantung kepada pemerintah yang sepatutnya telah boleh berdiri dengan sendirinya sekarang ini selepas perjanjian tamat. Ibarat kata.. berapa lama perlu bergantung.. tak kan dah 20 tahun
nak merangkak lagi.. nak tambah masa untuk merangkak lagi.. so bila lak nak belajar berdiri dan berjalan sendiri tanpa dipimpin lagi..sebab tu exPM kata.. kalau dah tak boleh tutup aja…”
Proton boleh menjadi lebih baik kalau tidak ada tanggung jawab kepada negara. Senang aja… buang sahaja pengeluar-pengeluar yang bermasalah. Tapi apa akan jadi dengan ekonomi. Itu tanggungjawab Proton untuk negara. Bayangkanlah penjanaan ekonomi proton untuk negara… berapa banyak kaki tangan Proton… 8000. Berapa banyak kakitangan syarikat yang secara lansung untuk membuat part Proton…100,000 orang. Berapa banyak bank dapat untung, berapa banyak syarikat bumiputra yang naik? Bayangkanlah kami boleh membantu sedangkan polisi kerajaan tidak membantu.
Cuba ingat sebelum timbulnya proton. Berapa banyak wakil jualan bumiputra untuk kereta toyota , nissan, honda? 0… Kosong.
Mengenai masalah AP pulak perkara tu bukan perkara baru. Mungkin ada yang tak tahu yang proton juga mendapat AP. Kalau tak.. sure harga kereta proton tak serendah sekarang ini. Tak percaya boleh check duti import yang dibayar untuk sebuah kereta proton. Nak check duti import tak susah sgt.. cuma bandingkan harga kereta proton di kawasan bebas cukai.
Kita memang tak payah bayar duti impot sebab kita buat kereta kat dalam Malaysia . Tapi tetap kena cukai. Kita tak ada AP. Yang Proton kecewa kenapa terlampau banyak AP dikeluarkan. Lepas tu sebijik-sebijik kerajaan kena
tipu. Bayangkan lah kalau kereta KIA yang dibawa masuk ke Malaysia … harga yang di declare adalah RM8000. Tak masuk akalkan bila kastam approve benda ni. Paling murah kereta yang pernah dibuat adalah dalam dunia ni adalah lebih kurang RM18,000. Itu baru bahan bahan dia. Belum lagi kira cost modal acuan, cost tenaga kerja, cost R&D. Bayangkan lah banyak mana kerjaan rugi pada cukai. Bayangkanlah banyak mana Naza untung.
Dasar Automotif Negara di perlukan bagi meneruskan perjuangan yang belum tercapai disamping menjaga serta melindungi pemilik kereta proton sekarang ini. sejauh mana boleh bertahan tak tahula..kalau tidak akan
bertimbunlah bakal besi buruk bila tiada lagi sparepart proton (asalnya milik Mitsubishi) dan akan timbulah barangan made in Jinjang atau sewaktu
dengannya.
Saudara… Dalam banyak banyak negara pengeluar kereta, Malaysia lah yang paling kurang memprotect
industry automotive mereka. Rakyat Malaysia juga lah yang paling tidak patriotik dalam hal-hal kereta ni.
Walaupun kita telah merdeka, minda kita tetap diajar barangan lain lebih elok dan tidak membantu barangan sendiri. Saya ambil contoh… Thailand membuka pintu mereka untuk industri automotif… tapi ada syarat. Kereta yang dibina di Thailand harus lah di export keluar lebih dari yang dijual dalam negara nya. Korea… cuba pergi ke Korea dan lihat sendiri disana. Nak cari kereta yang bukan dari Korea …susah.
Sebabnya…
1.memang mereka patriotik.
2. Cuba pakai kereta import… Lembaga Cukai mereka
akan menyusahkan pembeli kereta tu. Sebab kata mereka
tentu banyak duit.
Jepun… Semasa mereka belajar membuat kereta hampir80 tahun dulu… nak naik bukit pun boleh undur (baca sejarah toyota ), tapi rakyat mereka tetap bangga dan tetap membeli. Cuba kat Malaysia …. Kutuk lagi ada.
Saudara semua… kejayaan sesuatu project negara bergantung kepada sokongan dari rakyat sendiri. The more people buy, the cheaper things can be. Economic of scale lah tu. Lagi banyak dijual, lagi rendah cost pembalikan modal untuk setiap kereta. Nak buat sebijik kereta hampir 1 billion cost dia. Macam mana nak balik modal kalau kita tak ambil untung. Kilang enjin lagi mahal… tapi kita korbankan keuntungan kerana kalau kita dok asyik beli enjin dari luar, masa mana kita
nak belajar dan maju. Proton baru 20 tahun. Korea mengambil masa 40 tahun untuk kereta dia tiba ditahap ini. Jepun sudah 80 tahun, Barat sudah 100 tahun. Ini industri kereta. Kalau orang suruh kita fikir nak buat plastik aiskrim tu pun majority kita tak boleh. Ini kereta. So yang mengutuk tu… fikir. Lagi banyak kita jual, lagi murah kita boleh jual… lagi banyak duit, lagi baik pembangunan yang kita boleh buat. Setiap test dan setiap bahan baru yang nak direka memerlukan
wang yang banyak.
Masalahnya sekarang siapakah yang bakal atau boleh dijadikan rakan teknikal. Walau pun volkswagen nak join ngan proton tapi persoalannya boleh ke..?
Kenapa..saya kata macam tu..sebab Volkswagen ni guna euro. Sudah tentu la harga kereta proton pada masa akan datang lebih mahal lagi. (salah satu sebab isu AP keluar) Nak mohon Nissan atau Honda atau Toyata jadi rakan teknikal memang agak sukar.
dah ni. Kita tengah develop kereta dengan VW. Sebab tu kita jangan dengar saja orang cakap.
Kalau semua AP ditarik balik lagi banyak masalah akan timbul.. salah satunya adalah AFTA. Mampukah negara kita membayar ganti rugi kepada negara lain yang telah melaksana AFTA. Mungkin ada yang tak sedar yang negara kita telah membayar ganti rugi RM billion sebabmenangguh perlaksanaan AFTA sebelum ni kapada negara Asean yg berkaitan.
Memang kita akan kena penalti sebab ada perjanjian AFTA. Tapi bukan kita nak tarik AP macam tu
aja. Jalan penyelesaian masih ada. Kalau negara lain boleh ada polisi dia orang yang membantu industri
kereta mereka… kenapa kita tidak boleh. Kerana AP China boleh mengeksport kereta mereka ke Malaysia
(kereta Chery hampis masuk), tapi polisi China masih lagi tidak membenarkan kereta kita masuk kesana.
Memang dia kata boleh masuk tapi dah 5 tahun mencuba pun belum dapat kelulusan lagi. Banyak syarat lagi. India… nak masuk kesana kena letak deposit USD200 Million. Belum lagi nak set up kilang dan
infrastruktur jualan. Cuba masuk kat Korea … Kita nak jual kain kita kat sana pun diaorang tak nak beli
walau pun kualiti kita bagus. Kuat nya patriotik diaorang. Kita… apa yang nama lain selain dari
barang sendiri mesti bagus punya.
Bagi yang nak membandingkan kereta kita dengan kereta German…. Bukan tak boleh buat. Boleh… tapi sanggup ke bayar harga kereta German untuk kereta buatan Malaysia .
Naza yang rata rata import kereta Cuma tukar bumper pun boleh jadi taraf kereta nasional. Perodua
yang tak pernah design kereta sendiri (cuma design bumper depan belakang) pun dapat taraf kereta
nasional… Proton sekurang-kurangnya telah mendidik ramai anak bangsa dalam kemajuan teknologi. Dah ramai hasil dari pengalamn bekerja dengan proton diambil untuk sektor R&D ditempat lain. Bayangkan lah satu kumpulan Advance Engine Research Proton terus diambil oleh Petronas. Bukan sorang…. Kesemuanya. Nak kerja dengan R&D proton….. Paling minimum 2nd class upper.
1st class berlambak. Selepas berpengalaman… Perodua, Naza ambil.
Tapi saya tak marah bila orang kata macam-macam pasal proton. Itu hak mereka. Tapi fikirkanlah tenaga yang kami beri untuk memajukan negara dalam bidang teknologi. Boleh sebut tak company mana lagi dalam bidang industri yang betul-betul menggunakan kepakaran anak Malaysia dalam bidang R&D ni. Kalau kita tidak belajar… sampai bila kita tidak akan tahu. Dan sampai bila kita akan bergantung dengan orang luar.
Tapi bab support selepas jualan…. saya sendiri pun tak puas hati. Sabotaj pun Proton dah biasa kena….
Orang curi part semasa delivery kerata tukar dengan part tiruan atau lama. Yang kena komplen… proton. Tapi yang hairannya semasa Perodua recall balik 4000 unit Myvi…. Tak ada pulak yang kutuk. Letak sebelah sebelah Myvi dan Savvy… check performance dia. Then baru tahu nak kata apa. Jangan dengar orang cakap je… test sendiri. Baru tau. Sekarang ni Savvy dah keluar dengan Savvy Auto-Manual….Maksudnya dua-dua jenis gear ada dalam kereta. Malasnak tukar gear… swith to auto. Nak main ciluk-ciluk… switch to manual. Errr.. siapa kata kita guna tecnology 70an?
gratz to perodua… but i think i must say that they really gotta improve with their interior quality… it is getting more and more bad… Just like the Myvi interior, easily scratch, flimsy, not well fitted and feels cheap, so as kelisa, kenari and etc… Proton had improved alot with their interior quality ever since the launch of their Persona but i still doubt about proton's reliability although my friend had no complains on her Persona which she owns it for almost 3 years now.. And another friend of mine had tonnes of complains with her myvi complaining that her car made lots of irritating noise when cruising…
Here are some updates on the Alza. We haven’t seen that many of Perodua’s small MPV on the road, and it’s been confirmed that our eyes are not problematic. 18,000 bookings have been received to date, but so far less than 3,000 units have been delivered
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danny , .. if we want to see Alza easily OTR.. monthly sales figure must 6000 and above like myvi, saga and viva…if less then that,, it consider.. hardly to be spotted OTR
peYno again?
prrrfthhh
you sucks, peYno…
The Japanese make a hell lot of different to the working culture in Perodua.
I still remember my first visit to Proton R&D Building in Shah Alam. What welcome me in the front lobby are some smartly dressed Proton employees smoking away inside air conditioned area. They really gave me a bad perception of Proton.
While at Perodua factory, thing couldn't be more different!! No person with ciggy in hand can be seen anywhere. No people stand or hanging around doing nothing.
That's for me what we can learn from the Japanese!!
i saw many comments bout perodua having their own rnd..
i juz wana say.. whats the point??
why should perodua change their business mode??
ppl! this is car business.. not something else.. plz wake up..
wheres my comment??
haiz~~~
anywy, i juz wana tell u ppl..
perodua is having some very good business mode.. theres no point for them to have their own R&D… this is business, not some toy car game…
Basic viva with unpainted front n rear bumper, w/o power window, w/o radio, w/o power steering, w/o reverse sensor price at rm 25k…Perodua known as national overprice car. Myvi much smaller but price at the same as persona…somemore it 1.3 compared to 1.6. Alza basic model come w/o any airbag compare with basic exora it at least come with driver airbag.
problems with the manual gearbox?
winning an argument over the internet likes winning a race over the handicapped ones…. huhu… the goverment treats p1 and p2 the same way because they both giving back the government money by means of taxes. who pay the taxes?? i can say both p1 and p2 bashers are stupid. do they know anything what happen inside the boardrooms of both p1 and p2. you all should give conctructive idea/complaints. malaysian are depending on automotive industry..
congratulation to produa. they provide the malaysian with products that the consumer wants.
to proton, please produce a real product that can attracts people to buy. make a proper products planning and go beyond limits…
at the end, everyone wins
Congrats T n D for very good product…
Please see if there was no P2 here, we have our own T made in Malaysia!
Congrat T n D.
We own Malaysia made T n D. Not only Indo have one..
JUARA KAMPUNG in Bolehland
outside Bolehland… no body wanna buy if use its own brand… so have to use DAIHATSU brand
Cross Polo,
kau ni bosoh ape..org suke brand tuh..nak wat cmne..ape kene mengena dgn mentaliti suke jajah plak. semua brand kereta ade masalah kn. kau kau suke2 label org suke kne ajjah apesal? tuh cross polo brand german..nazi kot german tuh dlu. ford plak amerika..lagi la kuat berperang amerika tuh.p1 pun bermula dgn bantuan jepun kn. suke suki kau jer…
the guy in the pic is aminar rashid salleh. u can google for his name.
Good job Perodua… but don't get too relax… lately your product finishing and quality is getting bad… get your act together before the customer deliver a death blow to you like they did to proton…
but hey… watch out… PROTON is making a comeback with better models n improved quality… hehehe…
suck to death by big G said,
tttuuuutttts said
org bodo je beli keta perodua enjin toyota cina tapi mengaku jepun punya hahahaha
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org bodo macam engko aje yang percaya kereta proton takde spare parts dari cina tapi mengaku buatan tempatan.
hahahaha
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org bodo mcm angko je ske bising2 kereta mahal tp sbnrnye naik moto je hohohohoh
Congrats to P2, their head light and bumper design is really suit malaysian people taste. P1 should learnt from this.
For quality, most of the problems already been solved by their big brother daihatsu one year before they bring the design to malaysia, that's why P2 car has less problem from the initial stage.
"…With that, Perodua’s market share is 31.3 per cent, which is an improvement over 30.5 per cent in 2008, when it sold 176,400 units…"
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Congrats Perodua, with an increment of market share which i believed a positive landmark…dont be complacent…
tipu org2 kampung bolehla wei!
konon said,
January 20, 2010 @ 7:09 pm
proton also got a lot of contribution from ur so called ah beng japs wannabe…suka suka stick mitsubishi on their protons…
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old story oredi…. pls update ur knowledge…
peYno said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:28 pm
konon said,
January 20, 2010 @ 7:09 pm
proton also got a lot of contribution from ur so called ah beng japs wannabe…suka suka stick mitsubishi on their protons…
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old story oredi…. pls update ur knowledge…
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now even better. they upgrade already. don't want mitsu…now they put BMW badge hahaha
o do believe.. if ah beng company rebadge a Honda Jazz and get a title and previllage as "NATIONAL CAR MAKER".. sure hot selling oso mehh… so nothing special formula..
ah beng simply conned by so called japan nish..prrrfthhh
wajarlah said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:12 pm
Congrats to P2, their head light and bumper design is really suit malaysian people taste. P1 should learnt from this.
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prrrtfhhh
they spend 2 years to develop headlight and bumper…
i do belive.. if ah beng at brothers givenchange to "design" the headlight n bumper in 2 YEARS time.. they can do even better
prrrfthhh
monmon said,
January 20, 2010 @ 8:44 pm
the guy in the pic is aminar rashid salleh. u can google for his name.
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he is new local p2 man aka puppet.. Datuk syed zainal must be launghing now.. hehe welcome to puppet world…porrrtfhhh
congratulation to perodua. at least they know how to built a car that malaysia want.
alansmithz said,
January 20, 2010 @ 7:41 pm
The Japanese make a hell lot of different to the working culture in Perodua.
I still remember my first visit to Proton R&D Building in Shah Alam. What welcome me in the front lobby are some smartly dressed Proton employees smoking away inside air conditioned area. They really gave me a bad perception of Proton.
While at Perodua factory, thing couldn’t be more different!! No person with ciggy in hand can be seen anywhere. No people stand or hanging around doing nothing.
That’s for me what we can learn from the Japanese!!
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prrrfthhh this is good example of typical ah beng japs wannaebe…
u know what.. i know japs better than u.. i read like japs, i think like japs..
omae.. honto ni baka. damasareyasui…kawaiso ne…oretachi waratteru zoooo
prrrrtfhhhh
Proton kena rajin sikit tetapi jualan Pesona dan Saga kira bagus juga.
It is not Proton's fault that the oil price went up.
Baik juga untuk semua ada saingan kuat antara dua jenama.
For a govt supported venture, Proton can be considered ok as they can still turn in a profit despite tough times.
R & D…..might as well spend more money on tech transfer, licensing n design. Faster and cheaper on the whole.
guys wanna ask u guys, im sure any of u drives a myvi,
is it true that myvi SE normal one is slightly different, im talking abt the FC, is it true, could u guys clarify this? please
Proton or Perodua, both also related to Govt, win win all the way.
When the oil price dip below US$50, Proton maybe become top again.
Proton or Perodua, both GLC, Malaysia win win.
ok, rebadge is "cheating" sort of, but perodua's after sales service is fantastic, i kid u not! far better then proton's typical "alaaa, dah memang mcm tu dekk, nak buat camana?"
congrats P2! hope this year will be great! so what's next?
cap ayam said,
kalau duplicate sume org boleh bro..try make with ur own hand
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Yes Yes!
I clearly remember Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 1, 2 and 3 copied the Wira!! Also the Mirage copied the Putra and the Colt copied the Satria!
Amazing isn't it? Pada zaman itu, P1 pakai "koteh" buat ke model-model tersebut??
ayamxxx said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:44 pm
congratulation to perodua. at least they know how to built a car that malaysia want.
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they dontn't know actually, they just do as what big Boss Daihatsu ask them to do.. just assemble a car as what Daihatsu provide to them..
skiborne said,
January 20, 2010 @ 10:06 pm
ok, rebadge is “cheating” sort of, but perodua’s after sales service is fantastic, i kid u not! far better then proton’s typical “alaaa, dah memang mcm tu dekk, nak buat camana?”
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Sadly, Proton is blighted by their stupid SC people who are like that. It has nothing to do with Proton, but they get the bad rep. They really should take control of their SC!
perodua engine displacement history
660, 850, 1000, 1300
proton engine displacement history
1300,1500,1600,1800,2000,1600,1300,1100,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600
Long time never send car to Proton for service. Went there to fit in the rear seat belts last year. No problems with the service, it is just the car leaks on to the rear seats and the front windscreen drips during heavy rain. Gearbox whining since day one but the handling, boleh tahan …….. after change to bridgestone AR10.
I think service quality depends on individual outlet.
Good one Perodua.
Now why don't you cut your ties with Daihatsu/Toyota and invest to create your own vehicle instead of rebadge again, again and again? GROW UP!!!
tttuuuutttts said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:11 pm
suck to death by big G said,
tttuuuutttts said
org bodo je beli keta perodua enjin toyota cina tapi mengaku jepun punya hahahaha
___________________________________________________________________________
org bodo macam engko aje yang percaya kereta proton takde spare parts dari cina tapi mengaku buatan tempatan.
hahahaha
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org bodo mcm angko je ske bising2 kereta mahal tp sbnrnye naik moto je hohohohoh
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org bodo mcm engko je ske bising2 cakap org naik moto, tapi basikal cap cina pun engko tak mampu nak beli. Dasar kaki welfare.
hohohohoh
Mazda 3 MPS said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:31 pm
peYno said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:28 pm
konon said,
January 20, 2010 @ 7:09 pm
proton also got a lot of contribution from ur so called ah beng japs wannabe…suka suka stick mitsubishi on their protons…
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old story oredi…. pls update ur knowledge…
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now even better. they upgrade already. don’t want mitsu…now they put BMW badge hahah
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hahaha.. ya lor..
just like this one rite?
paultan.org/2008/12/22/new-bmw-isetta-prototype-spotted-on-test/
hahahaa..
i never know that u like to bash P2 too.. Mazda3 WTF!
cockhead..
p2 quality yes, technology no. jst simple car
peYno said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:34 pm
wajarlah said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:12 pm
Congrats to P2, their head light and bumper design is really suit malaysian people taste. P1 should learnt from this.
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prrrtfhhh
they spend 2 years to develop headlight and bumper…
i do belive.. if ah beng at brothers givenchange to “design” the headlight n bumper in 2 YEARS time.. they can do even better
prrrfthhh
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P1 was given 25 years to design the headlight and bumper but still cannot satisfy malaysian needs.
noobshit haha lawak jugak ko ni pun. kereta REBADGE poyo. jgn beli. beli keta original huhu
Mazda 3 MPS said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:31 pm
peYno said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:28 pm
konon said,
January 20, 2010 @ 7:09 pm
proton also got a lot of contribution from ur so called ah beng japs wannabe…suka suka stick mitsubishi on their protons…
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old story oredi…. pls update ur knowledge…
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now even better. they upgrade already. don’t want mitsu…now they put BMW badge hahaha
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haha…he dont even know the definition of ah beng. y is he calling everyone that is driving a jap car ah beng? so dumb
'In Malaysia, the term 'Ah Beng' usually refers to males who have unusual styles and tastes. And the term 'lala-zai' refers to males involved in stereotypical gangster activity or fashion such as the dyeing of hair.'
Facts said,
perodua engine displacement history
660, 850, 1000, 1300
proton engine displacement history
1300,1500,1600,1800,2000,1600,1300,1100,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600
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Are you high on something?
We are talking about Perodua sales? And we have this moron who is giving us tomorrow's 4D winning numbers! :)
Cross Polo said,
January 20, 2010 @ 6:57 pm
Macam dah agak dah….. penduduk malaysia masih lagi mengagungkan jepun lagi walaupun “downgrade” kualiti dijual dengan harga mahal… kesian…. keuntungan dari kawalan kerajaan keatas kereta import diaorang dapat tapi yang untung lebih orang jepun gak sebab kualiti dah dikurangkan tapi jual dengan harga mahal untung dapat kat jepun… Macam biasa…. sekarang ada 4 model yang dah banyak kali buat facelift setiap 6 ke 8 bulan sekali tapi tak penah kena kutuk…. masalah teknikal pun banyak tak settle tapi pengguna dia diamkan aje sebab antar ke SC terus diam walaupun banyak kali dah repair…. biasa la…. dah ada kena mengena dengan Toyota…. kang komplain kang kata tipu….. aihhhh…. camnie le rakyat malaysia walaupun dah 52 tahun merdeka tapi masih macam tu gak….. suka kena jajah…
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si bodoh. yg untung kerajaan malaysia.org jepun jual murah je, jadik mahal sebab duty, cukai. noobshit la ko ni
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tahun lepas daihatsu bagi bonus kat pekerja diorg 10 bln, n perodua hanye 4 bln sahaja. Secara logiknya, daihatsu mane leh untung sbyk tu sbb kete diorg tak terjual pun..APE KES??
since perodua kereta nasional, so die akan dpt byk pelepasan cukai dari segi pembelian mold, die, jig, equipment lelain dsb. so kos pembuatan sebijik kereta perodua alza contohnye tak sampai 20riban..n akhirnya die jual kete yg teramat nipis tu pada harga 2 kali ganda..Kalo ko na tau solid ke tak solid, ko ketuk dinding blakang Alza…APE KES??
Dari segi design..mmg susah la na banding ngan Proton..Perodua keje die touch up design jepun je. itupun touch up bumper, hood, dashboard..Org-org kite kat proton tu susah payah design dari zero…Yang lebih sedih lagi, utk cost reduction, diorang sanggup kurangkan spot point dan buang part2 reinforcement yg keras2 tu..APE KES?? Nak bunuh org ka!!
Aku angap sume kete perodua semuanya raja segala junk car..walaupun pada harga mampu milik, tahap ciri-ciri keselamatan standard langsung xde..tak guna ade ABS and airbag kalo body tak stiff, sebab kete ko hancur sekelip mata bile eksiden…
Kesian tgk rakyat malaysia terpaksa berbangga membeli kete2 perodua yang bodoh ni..aku tak cakap kete proton tu bagus, walaupun kualiti teruk, proton tetap keluarkan kete yang mempunyai ciri2 keselamatan penting bagi sesebuah kereta.
..:Cheers:…
Facts said,
January 20, 2010 @ 10:59 pm
perodua engine displacement history
660, 850, 1000, 1300
proton engine displacement history
1300,1500,1600,1800,2000,1600,1300,1100,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600
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bad comparison.. or do u think p2 develop their OWN engine???
prrrfthhh
Jarum said,
Yes Yes!
I clearly remember Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 1, 2 and 3 copied the Wira!! Also the Mirage copied the Putra and the Colt copied the Satria!
Amazing isn’t it? Pada zaman itu, P1 pakai “koteh” buat ke model-model tersebut??
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old stories
pls update your knowledge…prrrfthhhh
good luck malaysian said,
January 21, 2010 @ 7:31 am
If Honda Jazz assemble in Melaka or toyota yaris assemble in rawang or swift asemble in Pekan, and selling at below RM60k (if gov not protect) how many of P2 lover still want to buy myvi??
so P2 is not protected??
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yes correct.. how to compare national car maker (Proton) and national BUMPER maker(p2)??
prrrfthh p2 should be compared witj NAZA.. but of coz p2 selling better than NAZA… why?? coz in malaysia we have less Korean wannabe… if NAZA rebadge japs car like HONDA JAZZ and sell it below RM60k… do u think ah beng japs wannabe wanna buy viva or myvi???prrrfthhh
If Honda Jazz assemble in Melaka or toyota yaris assemble in rawang or swift asemble in Pekan, and selling at below RM60k (if gov not protect) how many of P2 lover still want to buy myvi??
so P2 is not protected??
Daihatsu can survive because of Toyota not because of Daihatsu and P2 is only depent on Daihatsu to survive. Without Daihatsu, they can only become AHBENG bumper designer or car fitter.
Since 1970s, malaysia has been exporting semiconductor device around the world. Today, we are one of the largest semiconductor device exporter in the world but what do we get for this?? Only Rakyat got job lol… and know how to follow what those jap and mat saller pass to us. Follow and follow but never think. Yes we do have RnD in semicon but at what level of these RnD activities?
Malaysia should have their own malaysian company, (can be manage by foreigner) but must be malaysian company. Then only the money will come back to our country. If not, forever malaysian will be the slave for those advance country.
Not a P1 fan, but malaysian mindset need to change. We need to buid for ourself and not depend on others.
Cross Polo said,
January 20, 2010 @ 6:57 pm
Macam dah agak dah….. penduduk malaysia masih lagi mengagungkan jepun lagi walaupun “downgrade” kualiti dijual dengan harga mahal… kesian…. keuntungan dari kawalan kerajaan keatas kereta import diaorang dapat tapi yang untung lebih orang jepun gak sebab kualiti dah dikurangkan tapi jual dengan harga mahal untung dapat kat jepun… Macam biasa…. sekarang ada 4 model yang dah banyak kali buat facelift setiap 6 ke 8 bulan sekali tapi tak penah kena kutuk…. masalah teknikal pun banyak tak settle tapi pengguna dia diamkan aje sebab antar ke SC terus diam walaupun banyak kali dah repair…. biasa la…. dah ada kena mengena dengan Toyota…. kang komplain kang kata tipu….. aihhhh…. camnie le rakyat malaysia walaupun dah 52 tahun merdeka tapi masih macam tu gak….. suka kena jajah…
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si bodoh. yg untung kerajaan malaysia.org jepun jual murah je, jadik mahal sebab duty, cukai. noobshit la ko ni
Penyo,
Have you heard new Saga BLM = Boleh Lagi Mivec?
A lot of tuners already modify even new Saga engine into Mitsubishi Mivec, even Gen2 and waja change to GSR 1.8 Turbo engine. Who say Japanese Wannabe outdated?
ALZA – kereta juga MPV
Perodua – Daihatsu juga Toyota
:-)
good luck malaysian said,
January 21, 2010 @ 7:31 am
If Honda Jazz assemble in Melaka or toyota yaris assemble in rawang or swift asemble in Pekan, and selling at below RM60k (if gov not protect) how many of P2 lover still want to buy myvi??
so P2 is not protected??
Daihatsu can survive because of Toyota not because of Daihatsu and P2 is only depent on Daihatsu to survive. Without Daihatsu, they can only become AHBENG bumper designer or car fitter.
Since 1970s, malaysia has been exporting semiconductor device around the world. Today, we are one of the largest semiconductor device exporter in the world but what do we get for this?? Only Rakyat got job lol… and know how to follow what those jap and mat saller pass to us. Follow and follow but never think. Yes we do have RnD in semicon but at what level of these RnD activities?
Malaysia should have their own malaysian company, (can be manage by foreigner) but must be malaysian company. Then only the money will come back to our country. If not, forever malaysian will be the slave for those advance country.
Not a P1 fan, but malaysian mindset need to change. We need to buid for ourself and not depend on others.
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absolutely true. pity malaysian if proton closed.
Saw 2 Alza yesterday.
Must've been my lucky day.
Mazda 3 MPS said,
January 20, 2010 @ 9:31 pm
old story oredi…. pls update ur knowledge…
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now even better. they upgrade already. don’t want mitsu…now they put BMW badge hahah
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hahaha.. ya lor..
just like this one.. rite?
http://paultan.org/2008/12/22/new-bmw-isetta-prot…
hahahaa..
i never know that u like to bash P2 too.. Mazda3 WTF!
cockhead..
Facts,
Pls check ur FACTS. Perodua develop their own engines? Gosh, that might be as credible as my brother is giving birth to his first son tomorrow =)
Proton engines – at least i remember 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0
U r indeed making urself seem stupid and ignorant
Fabrejaz said,
January 21, 2010 @ 7:31 am
Cross Polo said,
January 20, 2010 @ 6:57 pm
Macam dah agak dah….. penduduk malaysia masih lagi mengagungkan jepun lagi walaupun “downgrade” kualiti dijual dengan harga mahal… kesian…. keuntungan dari kawalan kerajaan keatas kereta import diaorang dapat tapi yang untung lebih orang jepun gak sebab kualiti dah dikurangkan tapi jual dengan harga mahal untung dapat kat jepun… Macam biasa…. sekarang ada 4 model yang dah banyak kali buat facelift setiap 6 ke 8 bulan sekali tapi tak penah kena kutuk…. masalah teknikal pun banyak tak settle tapi pengguna dia diamkan aje sebab antar ke SC terus diam walaupun banyak kali dah repair…. biasa la…. dah ada kena mengena dengan Toyota…. kang komplain kang kata tipu….. aihhhh…. camnie le rakyat malaysia walaupun dah 52 tahun merdeka tapi masih macam tu gak….. suka kena jajah…
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si bodoh. yg untung kerajaan malaysia.org jepun jual murah je, jadik mahal sebab duty, cukai. noobshit la ko ni
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errr, bukan P2 pun dapat pelepasan cukai macam P1. dua2 national car status kan?
Aku sokong kata tunomura….. :)
peYno said,
January 21, 2010 @ 5:51 am
Facts said,
January 20, 2010 @ 10:59 pm
perodua engine displacement history
660, 850, 1000, 1300
proton engine displacement history
1300,1500,1600,1800,2000,1600,1300,1100,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600
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bad comparison.. or do u think p2 develop their OWN engine???
prrrfthhh
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not that proton develop is able to develop their own either. it's all really old renault engines.
Answer to why P2 sales alwasy high for years is because P1 NEVER LEARN!!!! How many people complaint about power window (since wira era) until now never solve??? P1 new anak emas exora start to show their 'busuk' now.. Dashboard calar, airbag signal nyala tak padam2.. Whats the point p1 hav RnD if small prob like power window cant solve? Then p1 fans bising when p2 is Mlaysian 1st choice.. How about after sale? Maintainence? Resale value?
P1 only can beat P2 when p1 can prove to us tat ur product have 0% major defect a least for 3 years…
malaysian dont care if their car brand has R & D dept or not..they dont care if they cant design their own car..they dont care if its a rebadge of 2-3years old model..wat they care is reliability..wat they care is less prblematic car..wat they care is economical..if any car manufacturer can give them that,they gonna sell well in m'sia…and based on the statistic,P2 gave them that!
P2 currently undergo what proton went through in 90s. Waiting period 3-6 months of their cars. Then, what happened was the Japanese demand more royalties payment. The P1 price car went up. Its the same now with p2. Viva, MYvi, Alza all need to pay royalties to their master. when economy is good, the master will ask for more royalties payment, and car prices goes up.
at one time, p2 wont able to reduce any more their car prices. this in now become evident in Viva, and alza… prices higher than it should..
And what thed p1 do?, invest more in RnD, own the IP, then you will get to control you car prices you sell.. Exora less than 60k? where can got if you do not control the cost, and IP…
what P2 learn???fcuking rebadge onli!
real funny comments.
As I have said over and over again, these companies reap a killing selling overpriced rebadged/ckd'ed/ cars in malaysia because people still buy them. Why do RnD, improve your products, or spend more than you should when people buy you by default (sounded a lot like Proton 10 years back)
Why? Because the other alternative hasn't made a compelling product (and after market sevice).
The day Proton makes a good car and fixes its well known SC issues, is the day we will ALL enjoy better made/safer/cheaper cars. No matter who we buy from.
Sadly, that day is still quite far. After the farce in the late 90's and early 00', its going to be a while before the buying public trusts proton again, even if they do have pretty much compelling products now.
For example, generally people will keep their cars for at least for 5-9 years( ie. loan tenure), so if you bought one of those proton lemons in 2000, your next car now in 2010 will likely not be a Proton. Hence, peroduas (and everyone elses) bonus. It wll take at least 2-3 cycles, before people start buying Proton again assuming they continue to improve and don't drop the ball again.
Basic economic principles apply here, when lack of competition, consumers suffer.
nice talk hiruma kecil
well done…….176,000 is achievable and will emerge at top selling brand in Malaysia for 2010…..
peYno said,
old stories
pls update your knowledge…prrrfthhhh
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My knowledge is well updated. But I am just concern that your memory does not serve you too well.
It was not like ages ago but merely 10 years or so. If that too you can't remember, then I guess you need help!
Dumb-ass!
harris, dashboard scratch pun nak salahkan proton.. yg ko bagi anak ko duduk kat atas tu apasal? seat kan ada.. lagi2 cerita pasal PW.. mari share kat sini PW Exora ko yg problem tu meh…
alamak…
accept the fact la….
in 2009, perodua has better sale than proton…
just hope that 2010 proton will get better figure…
come on guys….it s a healthy competition what…
dont just bash here and there…
be realistic….not sacarstic!
hiruma kecil said,
January 21, 2010 @ 6:21 pm
harris.. are you exora owner?
just answer yes or no..
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yes or no doesnt matter. he for sure is p2 supporter
The Royal Academy of Proton Bashers said,
January 21, 2010 @ 9:47 am
peYno said,
January 21, 2010 @ 5:51 am
Facts said,
January 20, 2010 @ 10:59 pm
perodua engine displacement history
660, 850, 1000, 1300
proton engine displacement history
1300,1500,1600,1800,2000,1600,1300,1100,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600
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bad comparison.. or do u think p2 develop their OWN engine???
prrrfthhh
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not that proton develop is able to develop their own either. it’s all really old renault engines.
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which renault engine? the one in waja 1.8 already phased out. the one in savvy still used by 2010 sporty clio S 1.2l.
so kiausu lah people wanting perodua to developed their own RnD..
who cares, the average buyer does not..
welcome to the world boys, where everyone is borrowing each others engines and chassis..
btw, perodua makes the cylinder head for campro, u guys should check it out..
proton got back to its roots and just reengineer a mistubishi, it worked for the original SAGA, it worked for perodua, it worked for Naza.. so then why change..
skoda, audi, volkwagen
mazda, ford, volvo
toyota, daihatsu
nissan, renault
come one, all these pairs and trios, share their parts between them..
sharing is caring after all..
but really, the normal people are giving the money..
soo prrrft to the purist :D
*its always entertaing the same old crap people say here for every proton or perodua post.. which makes this site fun to read..
HarrisDaniel said,
January 21, 2010 @ 9:49 am
Answer to why P2 sales alwasy high for years is because P1 NEVER LEARN!!!! How many people complaint about power window (since wira era) until now never solve??? P1 new anak emas exora start to show their ‘busuk’ now.. Dashboard calar, airbag signal nyala tak padam2.. Whats the point p1 hav RnD if small prob like power window cant solve? Then p1 fans bising when p2 is Mlaysian 1st choice.. How about after sale? Maintainence? Resale value?
P1 only can beat P2 when p1 can prove to us tat ur product have 0% major defect a least for 3 years…
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rubbish..
do you mean P1's power windows complaint never shrank?
can u show any "statistics" to prove that??
coz never heard any new proton got power windows problem lately …
can u show statistics to prove that PERODUA owner also not having power window problems?? coz i HEARD (often used by bashers) new Myvi & Viva also facing the same problems lor..
Mana EYESORE bodoh dan Mangkok tu….??? Can't U read this??? Buta kaaa???
Check ur previous comment la Bodoh!!!! Read your comment on P1 Family day….Lu bodoh tuli kaaaa???
sama jeeee dua2 ni….!!!
P1 Mangkookkk
P2 Bingaiiiiii
rexis said,
January 21, 2010 @ 9:06 am
Saw 2 Alza yesterday.
Must’ve been my lucky day.
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Priceless….
tahniah
why lar u guys are very narrow minded..
who own perodua shares ? technologically & from business aspect.
shares and ownership decided the model and the r&d
what if, example.. hyundai or honda or any other company or its related investment / joint venture company holds a major shares in local car manufacturer brand X. do u think they will baised on in house research ? they will probably say this, hey.. i have done the research, i've got the technology and reseach. i dun want to waste any money into a similar in house r&d that probably produce the same result as my very own previous r&d..i cant go here direct cuz it will involved bigger capital and legal process, bla bla bla .. in order to make money, i own this local brand X and i can make use to rebadge my stuff, got their factory access so i can save on exporting from other country and sold it here and make money..!
its stricly money making business..
Fabrejaz said,
January 21, 2010 @ 7:31 am
si bodoh. yg untung kerajaan malaysia.org jepun jual murah je, jadik mahal sebab duty, cukai. noobshit la ko ni
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Yea ke ?…. Oooo jadi P2 harga murah gak le, jadi kalau jepun import harga murah jadi P2 pasang kat malaysia lagi murah le kan ?…. Jepun jual murah yea…. oooo…. Ko dah pernah tanya ke orang kat kastam berapa diaorang declare kereta import diaorng ?…. Mintak maaf le kalau ko terasa sebab ko pakai P2 atau memana kereta Jepun sekarang… Memang aku suka kereta jerman, memang aku suka idea Hitler tentang kereta murah untuk rakyat (tapi idealogi dia aku tentang sampai mati). Kereta Jerman memang kukuh & kuat. Sekarang nie tu idea P1 nak buat, tahan, selamat & murah… Kenapa polisi auto kat malaysia nie masih camni lagi hanya berubah sikit aje ?… Jawapan dia sebab P2 & NAZA. P1 dah boleh bergerak sendiri sekarang sebab kuarkan kereta sendiri yang hasil dari R&D sendiri hingga menjadi Product sendiri… Aku berbangga bila keluaran malaysia dah masuk pasaran antarabangsa & diterima baik oleh masyarakat antarabangsa… Aku ada kawan kat UK yang sekarang pakai Gen2 CPS, apa yang menarik adalah dia memberi komen yang G2 prestasi lebih baik dari Honda Civic Type R yang jual kat sana (abang dia pakai Civic & G2 dia dah tune sikit untuk R spec).. Memang dia kata plastik dalam interior nampak murah tapi kalau tengok rekaan nampak mudah tapi berfungsi. Memang sekarang P2 mendahului dari segi jualan keseluruhan tapi kalau kawalan dari kerajaan dihapuskan termasuk tax kemungkinan besar P2 & NAZA akan terus jatuh terduduk tak bangun sebab Toyota, Daihatsu, Peug, serta korean car akan terus mengimport model aslinya ke sini & aku pasti P1 tak akan terjejas sebab harga yang P1 pada masa itu jauh lebih murah dari mana2 kelas yang ditawarkan. Ko nak marah sebab cukai pun tak boleh sebab hasil cukai yang ko bayar tu leh tampung sekolah, hospital, klinik kerajaan tak terkecuali pembaikkan jalan raya kat malaysia. Kalau ko kerja kerajaan paling kurang masuk hospital kerajaan dah free anak beranak ko…
90 orang yang beli alza akan tukar dah buang dalam longkang jer logo perodua. Tukar lambang toyota/daihatsu.
MEMALUKAN!
Alza = Kereta juga MPV
Perodua = Daihatsu juga Toyota
I will never support Perodua, konon Malaysian made but rebadging Daihatsu cars all round… Like what Jeremy Clarkson said, '' Maiwi is utterly rubbish!!''.. Malu jer..
Guys, no matter wad.Perodua is just a company which rebadge old daihatsu models with old engine. There wont't be any new designs which Perodua designs on its own. Perodua would also not design any engines. They just only rebadge old cars and sell so expensive to us…..Not fair…………..Look at Alza, its avanza's detuned engine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perodua certainly produce higher quality car compared to proton,, now remove the import car taxes and see how the fared
Cross Polo said,
January 21, 2010 @ 3:46 pm
Fabrejaz said,
January 21, 2010 @ 7:31 am
si bodoh. yg untung kerajaan malaysia.org jepun jual murah je, jadik mahal sebab duty, cukai. noobshit la ko ni
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Yea ke ?…. Oooo jadi P2 harga murah gak le, jadi kalau jepun import harga murah jadi P2 pasang kat malaysia lagi murah le kan ?…. Jepun jual murah yea…. oooo…. Ko dah pernah tanya ke orang kat kastam berapa diaorang declare kereta import diaorng ?…. Mintak maaf le kalau ko terasa sebab ko pakai P2 atau memana kereta Jepun sekarang… Memang aku suka kereta jerman, memang aku suka idea Hitler tentang kereta murah untuk rakyat (tapi idealogi dia aku tentang sampai mati). Kereta Jerman memang kukuh & kuat. Sekarang nie tu idea P1 nak buat, tahan, selamat & murah… Kenapa polisi auto kat malaysia nie masih camni lagi hanya berubah sikit aje ?… Jawapan dia sebab P2 & NAZA. P1 dah boleh bergerak sendiri sekarang sebab kuarkan kereta sendiri yang hasil dari R&D sendiri hingga menjadi Product sendiri… Aku berbangga bila keluaran malaysia dah masuk pasaran antarabangsa & diterima baik oleh masyarakat antarabangsa… Aku ada kawan kat UK yang sekarang pakai Gen2 CPS, apa yang menarik adalah dia memberi komen yang G2 prestasi lebih baik dari Honda Civic Type R yang jual kat sana (abang dia pakai Civic & G2 dia dah tune sikit untuk R spec).. Memang dia kata plastik dalam interior nampak murah tapi kalau tengok rekaan nampak mudah tapi berfungsi. Memang sekarang P2 mendahului dari segi jualan keseluruhan tapi kalau kawalan dari kerajaan dihapuskan termasuk tax kemungkinan besar P2 & NAZA akan terus jatuh terduduk tak bangun sebab Toyota, Daihatsu, Peug, serta korean car akan terus mengimport model aslinya ke sini & aku pasti P1 tak akan terjejas sebab harga yang P1 pada masa itu jauh lebih murah dari mana2 kelas yang ditawarkan. Ko nak marah sebab cukai pun tak boleh sebab hasil cukai yang ko bayar tu leh tampung sekolah, hospital, klinik kerajaan tak terkecuali pembaikkan jalan raya kat malaysia. Kalau ko kerja kerajaan paling kurang masuk hospital kerajaan dah free anak beranak ko…
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what a joke…'G2 prestasi lebih baik dari Honda Civic Type R '
ur friend there must be retarded…
Proton Exora ada video crash test….MANA CRASH TEST UTK PERODUA ALZA YA? Mesti semua rakyat Malaysia nak tgk….Sekurang kurangnya result…..
last time… whn Mitsu collaborate with proton, proton work culture also like japanese…
but, when they left, so the culture…
Same things may happen to Perodua… I dont think malaysian bosses will able to maintain the same work culture…
harris.. are you exora owner?
just answer yes or no..
P2,please reduce your prices.
Proton supporters are a bunch of sore losers!!!
The figures show that Msian prefer P2.
P1 with its miserable crap-pro engine has to up the ante.!!!
So far news of turbo / hybrid is talk only – habuk pun tarak !!!
alansmithz said,
January 20, 2010 @ 7:41 pm
The Japanese make a hell lot of different to the working culture in Perodua.
I still remember my first visit to Proton R&D Building in Shah Alam. What welcome me in the front lobby are some smartly dressed Proton employees smoking away inside air conditioned area. They really gave me a bad perception of Proton.
While at Perodua factory, thing couldn’t be more different!! No person with ciggy in hand can be seen anywhere. No people stand or hanging around doing nothing.
That’s for me what we can learn from the Japanese!!
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That's because there are Japs there. Try going back when there's no Japs, you think things would be the same? I doubt it. That's the problem! When it comes to hedonistic endavours like clubbing, getting wasted and free sex that are part of Western living, Malaysians are fast to copy, but when it comes to civic-mindedness, work ethics etc, we never seem to learn it fast enough. Why? Why do we have to do all the negative stuff and yet never even look at the positive stuff? Answer that and you'll get the cause of Malaysia's malaise!
wajarlah said,
P1 was given 25 years to design the headlight and bumper but still cannot satisfy malaysian needs.
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if brothers shop is given body of passo and ask them to remake design bumper and headlamp only.. Ah beng at brothers shop can do better than p2…prrrfthhh
wwwoooiii peyno..ure really..i dont wanna call it..is it an old story if i would say like..we can see a lot of proton owners tuned their car n using mitsu badges??the worst thing…waja owners who turned their cars into evo??so dont u want to call them jap wannabe also???do u wanna call it an old story???still a lot of proton owners out there who bought proton but after that turned out to be jap wannabe car…at least ppl of perodua who use toyota n daihatsu bole dimaafkn la gak..at least T is produa mother company..but for waja??kate 100% design sniri…tapi org still convert jadik evo…pastu lg trok…depan tiru alfa romeo..perdana pn..depan tiru alfa romeo…so..can i call proton as a jap and italian wannabe???
woi peyno..kalau kau nak cakap tu aku dr ritu da cakap..gune otak cket..be fair n square..kesimpulannye perodua n proton jap wannabe…kalau jangan nak membute tuli defend proton je..kau x sdar ke kau perbodohkn diri kau…
so peyno..u better be out of here…who's puppet??i think u're puppet..
My missus drive a myvi. The only good thing about it is the toyota dna. Other than that worse than proton. Myvi handling is like driving a boat. Never happy when driving it. Paultan.org rates alza handling is improved so good for perodua to hear their customer feedback. Hope perodua improves their speakers too. Myvi speakers is astoundingly bad. Perhaps that one part of toyota dna they don;t transfer yet.
Woww… everyone has their piece of mind spilled out here!
I agree with makan2. I don't mind people bashing Proton, but I'm perplexed why at the same time they act as if Perodua is a godsend?? Currently value wise Proton is not that bad if not better than Perodua (But I'm not talking about after sales service, Proton TOTALLY suck). Still..
Azrai, good one.. Perodua=Daihatsu juga Toyota. lol
hiruma kecil, i like your speech. Now, i know n understand…. hope perodua can fight dat japanese…. kick da japanese ass out from here. Kedekut ilmu, tau curi ilmu dan idea orang and make mcm diorg punya.
Satu Malaysia. PeYno pun tau jepun tu camne org nyer…mcm sial…
skiborne said,
January 20, 2010 @ 10:06 pm
ok, rebadge is “cheating” sort of, but perodua’s after sales service is fantastic, i kid u not! far better then proton’s typical “alaaa, dah memang mcm tu dekk, nak buat camana?”
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JACK HAMMER said,
January 21, 2010 @ 12:54 pm
HarrisDaniel said,
January 21, 2010 @ 9:49 am
Answer to why P2 sales alwasy high for years is because P1 NEVER LEARN!!!! How many people complaint about power window (since wira era) until now never solve??? P1 new anak emas exora start to show their ‘busuk’ now.. Dashboard calar, airbag signal nyala tak padam2.. Whats the point p1 hav RnD if small prob like power window cant solve? Then p1 fans bising when p2 is Mlaysian 1st choice.. How about after sale? Maintainence? Resale value?
P1 only can beat P2 when p1 can prove to us tat ur product have 0% major defect a least for 3 years…
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I am a Viva owner. U think that VIva doesn't have window problem eh?
I changed the whole unit last year and still under warranty. It got broken again. The passenger side cannot wind down the window and so are the left rear window. Now my warranty is nearing it's end. I just don't know how much it will cost to change the two windows.
A RM40K car with window problem. My 13 year old kancil never had this problem before.( Its not using power window). I cannot trust Perodua anymore. Though it's a nice car in the first year, but problems may come soon.
Now I can hear 'squek' sound from the bonnet when driving at 80km/h.
What a pity, I bought the car for my wife to go to work. My friend recommended Viva cause it's small and easy tp park. Yes, Perodua cars save more fuel than the other "ehem", but look at the the engine capacity. It's a 1.0 cc. If u want to compare, compare SAGA BLM and MYVI. Which one has the lowest FC.
To HarrisDaniel, I test driven the Exora, it was very nice. No defect found. What's this so call window problem? Actually, this problem was solved years before. One question, are you a Perodua and Proton owners? I HAVE BOTH.
Priced from 40K to 65K. 3 Protons and 2 Peroduas. All of the cars had travelled more than 110,000 km. No big defect found. Now what say U?
Good Luck Perodua and Proton Owners. (soon to be).
Acerman, you sounds like a typical P1 employee in disguise :)
Well, estimated.
From the comments, i can proudly said that a lot of Proton troopers are here to bash Perodua. Even they knew they loss it…
If want save ur face, please update ur quality & ask the G to open up the market to fight openly! Since someone here claim Proton so hebat already, why still fight like a baby and hide behind NAP?
Simple fact, Perodua can success today thanks to Proton.
I wonder how much Perodua's profit going to Japan?
Peodua
Kancil (phased out)
660,850
Kelisa (phased out)
850,1000
Kenari (phased out)
1000
Myvi
1000,1300
Viva
660,850,1000
Alza
1500
Proton
Savvy
1200
Saga
1300, 1600 (limited unit)
Persona, Gen2, Satria Neo, Waja, Exora and so on….
1600,1300,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600, 1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600,1600…..
Rakyat DidaHULUkan Pencapaian DiuTAMAKan..
wwwoooiii peyno..ure really..i dont wanna call it..is it an old story if i would say like..we can see a lot of proton owners tuned their car n using mitsu badges??the worst thing…waja owners who turned their cars into evo??so dont u want to call them jap wannabe also???do u wanna call it an old story???still a lot of proton owners out there who bought proton but after that turned out to be jap wannabe car…at least ppl of perodua who use toyota n daihatsu bole dimaafkn la gak..at least T is produa mother company..but for waja??kate 100% design sniri…tapi org still convert jadik evo…pastu lg trok…depan tiru alfa romeo..perdana pn..depan tiru alfa romeo…so..can i call proton as a jap and italian wannabe???
woi peyno..kalau kau nak cakap tu aku dr ritu da cakap..gune otak cket..be fair n square..kesimpulannye perodua n proton jap wannabe…kalau jangan nak membute tuli defend proton je..kau x sdar ke kau perbodohkn diri kau…
so peyno..u better be out of here…who’s puppet??i think u’re puppet..
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well said…he dont even know the meaning of ah beng…go read up in wikipedia…low IQ
So many ppl here saying Perodua rebadging cars and all,but at least P2 know what they are capable of,they cannot produce new cars so they just rebadge!
Unlike Proton who THINK they can develop new cars,and try and try again for GOD knows how many years,but still cannot develop a DECENT car.
And they still dare to spend more money on developing crap cars that 1% of the population will drive like NEO.
I think Peyno is another Proton jerk who will be driving PROTONs for the rest of his life.
Good then,Proton has another LOYAL supporter like you!
Littlefire said,
January 21, 2010 @ 10:51 pm
Well, estimated.
From the comments, i can proudly said that a lot of Proton troopers are here to bash Perodua. Even they knew they loss it…
If want save ur face, please update ur quality & ask the G to open up the market to fight openly! Since someone here claim Proton so hebat already, why still fight like a baby and hide behind NAP?
Simple fact, Perodua can success today thanks to Proton.
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You talk as if Perodua's not under the same protection! Perodua also hide behind the NAP!
peYno F**K said,
January 21, 2010 @ 7:48 pm
woi peyno..kalau kau nak cakap tu aku dr ritu da cakap..gune otak cket..be fair n square..kesimpulannye perodua n proton jap wannabe…kalau jangan nak membute tuli defend proton je..kau x sdar ke kau perbodohkn diri kau…
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Habis tu, kenapa condemn Peyno je? Nape tak condemn si SY0H, Mazda 3 MPS dan seangkatan ngan dia? Diorang membute tuli defend Perodua. Kenapa kalau orang defend Proton dikata bodoh, tapi kalau orang defend Perodua tak pulak dilayan serupa? Itu kata adil?
quality > quantity
myvi > all proton models
Tiadaid said,
Habis tu, kenapa condemn Peyno je? Nape tak condemn si SY0H, Mazda 3 MPS dan seangkatan ngan dia? Diorang membute tuli defend Perodua. Kenapa kalau orang defend Proton dikata bodoh, tapi kalau orang defend Perodua tak pulak dilayan serupa? Itu kata adil?
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Dear proton supporter,
The reality and evidence is Perodua done better than Proton, thats all!!!!!
It doesnt need a GENIUS to TELL you how sucks proton is
Littlefire said,
January 21, 2010 @ 10:51 pm
Well, estimated.
From the comments, i can proudly said that a lot of Proton troopers are here to bash Perodua. Even they knew they loss it…
If want save ur face, please update ur quality & ask the G to open up the market to fight openly! Since someone here claim Proton so hebat already, why still fight like a baby and hide behind NAP?
Simple fact, Perodua can success today thanks to Proton.
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infact that if no NAP.. p2 will die… who wanna invest in Malaysia.. japs love Indonesia and Thais more that bolehland…Daihatsu invest in P2 becoz our stupid goverment offer them .." you give us assemble your car.. i give you "NATIONAL CAR" title and special protection..".
simply facts… you rebadge u can success… and bad think to Ah beng japs wannabe.. proton will rebadge JAPANESE car for their waja replacement… prrrfthhh p2 salesman must be in pressure….
Maserati said,
January 22, 2010 @ 12:34 am
So many ppl here saying Perodua rebadging cars and all,but at least P2 know what they are capable of,they cannot produce new cars so they just rebadge!
Unlike Proton who THINK they can develop new cars,and try and try again for GOD knows how many years,but still cannot develop a DECENT car.
And they still dare to spend more money on developing crap cars that 1% of the population will drive like NEO.
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the facts that… all becoz of direction from our gorverment
Gov asked p1 to make own car and get title national car
Gov allowed daihatsu to buy p2 but remain national car title
lucky our gov diddn't ask p2 to develop own car… otherwise… the will redesign kancil with center meter and mata bulat headlamp again ana again
prrfthhhh
konon said,
haha…he dont even know the definition of ah beng. y is he calling everyone that is driving a jap car ah beng? so dumb
‘In Malaysia, the term ‘Ah Beng’ usually refers to males who have unusual styles and tastes. And the term ‘lala-zai’ refers to males involved in stereotypical gangster activity or fashion such as the dyeing of hair.’
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WHO HAVE UNUSUAL TASTE
yes.. just driving a 2nd class downgraded ASEAN made japs car… and oredi got TASTE like driving JDM car…put shoshinsha sticker and back mirror, put japanese wording sticker and japanese style parking sticker
this is what we called "UNUSUAL TASTE"
prrrfthhh
Simple formula
In Malaysia bolehland
U rebadge JAPANESE car… u will be on the TOP
U rebadge Korean or conti car .. u will be not on the TOP
so now.. proton oso will REBADGE JAPANESE car
prrrfthh ah beng will buy waja LANCER and shopping at chop shop "rebadge" to JDM
prrrfthhh
konon said,
haha…he dont even know the definition of ah beng. y is he calling everyone that is driving a jap car ah beng? so dumb
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no body say that
i never said ppl who drive Japan domestic market car as Ah beng…
Ah beng japs wanabne refer to malaysian who can't afford REAL japan car.. then buy 2nd class ASEAN made japs car like VIOS,CITY,AVANZA, INNOVA and some say perodua…but pretend drive JDM car oredi
prrrfthhh
Maserati said,
January 22, 2010 @ 12:35 am
I think Peyno is another Proton jerk who will be driving PROTONs for the rest of his life.
Good then,Proton has another LOYAL supporter like you!
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and u r typical ah beng who can't afford buying japan import car… then buy p2 cars(as long got japan DNA… ok what)
prrrfthhh
JDM car owner like me.. and japanese must be laughing at u …prrrfthhh
if malaysia open market,that figure belongs to toyota,congrats to toyota not perodua
do u know why ex MD resign and leave p2??? can't make own decision?? just follow like puppet>??? prrrfthh.. motivated , aggresive and like challenging enviroment..like ex MD and DSZ sure cannot tahan wan..
but typical lazy ppl, as long i get bonus 6 months… puppet pon puppet la.. who cares mentality….prrrfthhh
peYno said,
January 21, 2010 @ 7:47 pm
wajarlah said,
P1 was given 25 years to design the headlight and bumper but still cannot satisfy malaysian needs.
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if brothers shop is given body of passo and ask them to remake design bumper and headlamp only.. Ah beng at brothers shop can do better than p2…prrrfthhh
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Yes you're right, ah beng at brothers shop is better than P1
petikan dari engineer proton…
Wira – Disini berpuluh puluh designer dan engineer Proton dihantar ke Jepun untuk kerjasama design kereta baru. Proton dan Mitsubishi kongsi modal. Hampir 2 tahun kami disana. Bahagian tengah dikongsi bersama.
Depan dan Belakang, design asing-asing. Lampu depan dan belakang share sebab nak kurang kan cost. Hasilnya Proton Wira-Mitsubishi Lancer.
Orang akan kata hah kongsi je sebab tak tahu buat kerja…. Tapi ada orang kata apa apa bila Ford dan Mazda berkongsi bahagian tengah? Ford Laser dan Mazda 323 adalah kereta yang sama. Ada orang komplen? Bila
orang Malaysia yang buat begitu… orang Malaysia sendiri yang nak mengutuk. Tak ramai yang tahu seksa bekerja kat Jepun sebab dia orang suka curi idea. Bayang kanlah semasa kami design dashboard untuk
Wira… masa tu Mitsubishi sudah pun siap soft tooling mould untuk dashboard kereta dia… Bila mereka tengok dashboard Proton, Mereka sanggup letak designer dia depan design kita untuk mengubahsuai kembali rupa bentuk dashboard mereka. Kalau kita pernah tengok dashboard mitsubishi lancer… hampir samakan. Itu mereka yang meniru bukan kita. Ianya menunjukkan kita bukan tak pandai… Cuma masyarakat sendiri berfikiran macam itu.
Perdana – untuk membuat satu satu design bukannya murah. Nak balik modal pun lama. Jumlah kereta yang dijual pun kena banyak.
So, kalau nak buat Perdana…. Sampai habis pun tak balik modal. So yang ni memang
kita ambil kereta dari mitsubishi dan pasang di Malaysia. Cuma kita tukar depan dan belakang, dan bahagian dalaman.
Tiara – Tiara adalah bukan product Proton. Ia adalah keluaran DRB. Tapi kita kena tunduk dengan arahan dari atas untuk mereka menggunakan lambang Proton.
Wira – Disini berpuluh puluh designer dan engineer Proton dihantar ke Jepun untuk kerjasama design kereta baru. Proton dan Mitsubishi kongsi modal. Hampir 2 tahun kami disana. Bahagian tengah dikongsi bersama.
Depan dan Belakang, design asing-asing. Lampu depan dan belakang share sebab nak kurang kan cost. Hasilnya Proton Wira-Mitsubishi Lancer.
Orang akan kata hah kongsi je sebab tak tahu buat kerja…. Tapi ada orang kata apa apa bila Ford dan Mazda berkongsi bahagian tengah? Ford Laser dan Mazda 323 adalah kereta yang sama. Ada orang komplen? Bila
orang Malaysia yang buat begitu… orang Malaysia sendiri yang nak mengutuk. Tak ramai yang tahu seksa bekerja kat Jepun sebab dia orang suka curi idea. Bayang kanlah semasa kami design dashboard untuk
Wira… masa tu Mitsubishi sudah pun siap soft tooling mould untuk dashboard kereta dia… Bila mereka tengok dashboard Proton, Mereka sanggup letak designer dia depan design kita untuk mengubahsuai kembali rupa bentuk dashboard mereka. Kalau kita pernah tengok dashboard mitsubishi lancer… hampir samakan. Itu mereka yang meniru bukan kita. Ianya menunjukkan kita bukan tak pandai… Cuma masyarakat sendiri berfikiran macam itu.
Perdana – untuk membuat satu satu design bukannya murah. Nak balik modal pun lama. Jumlah kereta yang dijual pun kena banyak.
So, kalau nak buat Perdana…. Sampai habis pun tak balik modal. So yang ni memang
kita ambil kereta dari mitsubishi dan pasang di Malaysia. Cuma kita tukar depan dan belakang, dan bahagian dalaman.
Tiara – Tiara adalah bukan product Proton. Ia adalah keluaran DRB. Tapi kita kena tunduk dengan arahan dari atas untuk mereka menggunakan lambang Proton.
Kancil – rebadged, Rusa (bombed out) – rebadged, Kelisa – rebadged, Viva -rebadged, Nautica – rebadged, Alza – rebadged, next model – rebadged, future model – rebadged, next future model – rebadged….
serai said,
January 21, 2010 @ 6:31 pm
Proton supporters are a bunch of sore losers!!!
The figures show that Msian prefer P2.
P1 with its miserable crap-pro engine has to up the ante.!!!
So far news of turbo / hybrid is talk only – habuk pun tarak !!!
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then u r a retard!! kan dah terang2 artikel PaulTan sebelum ini mengatakan enjin turbo/hybrid mungkin keluar dlm 2011/2012.. sekarang ni kita di tahun berapa? bodoh ko ni.. poket kosong habuk pun tarak…
Padan muka kt serai..haa…kn dh kena..
Jarum said,
January 21, 2010 @ 10:29 pm
Acerman, you sounds like a typical P1 employee in disguise :)
Hope I was, but I'm not. Sorry for dissapoiting you. I don't work with anyone. I have my own shop.
Anyway, Toyota is not doing great in US.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/u…
Well open up market,
Since some here said that Perodua success due to NAP, letz open up and see which 1 die first or suck the G more money?
kalaulah design body exora mcm Alza….:)
dear perodua..
i one of viva owner 850cc used only for 5 month…
after 2month use got sound on front right wheel..send to SC and checking.
detect WTF screw loose..then after 3 week the same problem come again.
go to same SC – found brake caliper problem..need to wait 2 week for part..
after two week change brake caliper…then after 1 month sound coming back again…now detect lower arm problem…need to wait another 2 week and never update…WTF after change the lower arm,same problem still coming in and SC can't solve my problem…..now the latest news, SC said my viva drive shaft got problem……come on P2….PLEASE SOLVE MY PROBLEM…..how long i must wait and waste my time for this PROBLEM…..
kimi_ said,
January 22, 2010 @ 1:38 am
Tiadaid said,
Habis tu, kenapa condemn Peyno je? Nape tak condemn si SY0H, Mazda 3 MPS dan seangkatan ngan dia? Diorang membute tuli defend Perodua. Kenapa kalau orang defend Proton dikata bodoh, tapi kalau orang defend Perodua tak pulak dilayan serupa? Itu kata adil?
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Dear proton supporter,
The reality and evidence is Perodua done better than Proton, thats all!!!!!
It doesnt need a GENIUS to TELL you how sucks proton is
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Sales as yardstick? In Malaysia? Hardly reliable, because Malaysians are more brand minded! They only buy P2 because they THINK they're getting a TOYOTA. That's why. When P2 cars also have problems, they're silently glossed over! Still don't prove Perodua is better than Proton!
em…today in bh auto, alza manual 42 liter for 400km @ 10.5 liter/100km, sungguh menjimatkan. ha..ha..that is balik kampung ride, not in the city driving, kalu dah manual pun dah 10.5 liter/100km, apatah lagi auto, lagi mentedarah minyak. so sapa yg kata alza jimat minyak, telan lah balik kata2 tuh. exora manual pun bleh dapat figure yg sama, tapi exora lagi besar, ada dua blower. itu adalah fakta. org malaysia memang suka agongkan produk luar, padahal, sama je. patutlah perodua x letak fc dalam brochure dia. dalam majalh malaysian evo, alza auto 0-100 around 15 second, wow, laju nya, memang power, kah..kah..exora auto 0-100 15.5 second, krg 0.5 second je bai, tak jauh beza pun. so how about 0-140kmh? i believe exora will overtake alza in that speed due to cps activation….
2009 UK's car seller by Tim
Want it or not, that's the number for P1 & P2
MARQUE 2009SALES SHARE % CHANGE 09 vs 08
Proton 960 0.05% -37%
Perodua 650 0.03% +4%
Lotus 485 0.02% -25%
MARQUE 2009SALES SHARE % CHANGE 09 vs 08
Ford 316,369 15.86% -2%
Vauxhall 237,840 11.92% -20%
Volkswagen 161,137 8.08% -10%
Toyota 102,612 5.14% -3%
Peugeot 102,574 5.14% -14%
BMW 98,683 4.95% -13%
Audi 91,172 4.57% -10%
Nissan 77,924 3.91% +18%
Honda 74,819 3.75% -11%
Citroen 72,450 3.63% -11%
Mercedes-Benz 72,281 3.62% -4%
Renault 63,174 3.17% -30%
Fiat 60,337 3.02% +9%
Hyundai 56,726 2.84% +102%
Kia 50,637 2.54% +62%
Mazda 47,934 2.40% -4%
Mini 39,866 2.00% -2%
Skoda 37,253 1.87% +0.4%
Volvo 34,857 1.75% +5%
Seat 29,987 1.50% +2%
Land Rover 29,185 1.46% -10%
Suzuki 28,539 1.43% +9%
Chevrolet 18,660 0.94% +2%
Jaguar 18,234 0.91% -10%
Mitsubishi 11,074 0.56% -29%
Alfa Romeo 9,067 0.45% +52%
Smart 8,363 0.42% +11%
Saab 7,486 0.38% -53%
Lexus 7,266 0.36% -28%
Porsche 5,280 0.26% -11%
Subaru 3,730 0.19% -20%
Chrysler 2,692 0.13% -52%
Dodge 2,672 0.13% -32%
Jeep 2,502 0.13% -38%
Daihatsu 2,306 0.12% -52%
Abarth 1,381 0.07% +1281%
Other Imports 1,313 0.07% -35%
Aston Martin 1,183 0.06% -24%
Proton 960 0.05% -37%
Other British 902 0.05% -9%
Ssangyong 787 0.04% +25%
Bentley 761 0.04% -51%
Perodua 650 0.03% +4%
Lotus 485 0.02% -25%
MG 374 0.02% +181%
Opel 193 0.01% 0.00%
Cadillac 177 0.01% +4%
Hummer 46 0.00% -74%
Infiniti 45 0.00% 0.00%
Corvette 36 0.00% +177%
Daimler 18 0.00% -46%
Total 1,994,999 100.00% -6.42%
konon said,
January 21, 2010 @ 5:15 pm
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Sekurangnya dia ada pakai & dah test. Macam aku kata, bila dah cakap tentang sesuatu yang baik dari proton mesti kata tipu. Bila diperkatakan tentang kereta jua Rebadge untuk bahagian yang tak elok mesti penyokong P2 melenting sampai kuarkan fitnah & mengungkit kisah lama yang dah lama selesai. Tak ke dah nampak yang mereka nie terlalu agungkan jepun ?…. Tak kemana sangat pu kalau kita agungkan jepun tu. Macam aku tak pernah kerje ngan jepun. Memang tak semua jepun kedekut macam bekas bos aku dulu (dia tengok sapa rajin, kerja kuat, nak belajar dia tunjuk ajar… Sensei..). Lain dari dia semua kedekut ilmu. Aku pun pernah pakai kancil dulu… cukup le dengan kancil tu… aku tak nak pakai dah P2, aku kena kuar belanja aje nak repair. Last skali aku jual, skarang aku selesa dengan persona… tak ada masalah pun sampai ari nie…. Sekarang aku bangga sebab P1 dah dipandang oleh masyarakat antarabangsa & sekarang makin improve…..
well,
1985-2000:Proton models is mitsubishi based… all well controlled… no quality issue…
2000-2006: 7 years of quality problem caused malaysian to abandon Proton and opt for perodua…
2007-2009: 3 years doesnt yet enough to regain the trust of malaysian…
give it 4 more years (2013), maybe it'll get square between both if the momentum of improvement remain in proton…
cannot imagine if proton continue rebadging Mitsubishi..
got lancer proton RM60k, grandis proton RM80k and compact colt proton RM50k..
walauwee.. ah beng japs wananebe sure will buy and proton will be at the top..
so what so special???
u rebagde japs car.. u will be at the top..
but this formula only applicable in malaysia boleh land..
coz malayis got many ah beng japs wannabe..
ppl in urban countries like spore oredi changed their taste.. go for KIA forte.. but in bolehland.,. ah beng still with theior VIOS and city
prrrrtfhhh
littlefire said,
January 22, 2010 @ 10:57 am
Well open up market,
Since some here said that Perodua success due to NAP, letz open up and see which 1 die first or suck the G more money?
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if G open the market.. REAL JAPAN compact car will enter malaysia market.. all this while.. p2 got protected and compact car market no competition at all..we will have jazz,colt at same price as myvi, got honda beat from japan, and lagendary SUZUKI WAGON R.. walauwee.. at that time who wanna buy Viva???prrrfthh
then.. since daihatsu got no special threatment from G anymore .. Daihatsu Indonesia is waiting and been producing Xenia…and didn't assemble luminas /ALZA becoz Malaysia G give better offer to Daihatsu (national car status and threatment)… then they leave malaysia and move to Indonesia( better domestic market than malaysia )..
mat said,
January 22, 2010 @ 1:50 pm
patutlah perodua x letak fc dalam brochure dia. dalam majalh malaysian evo, alza auto 0-100 around 15 second, wow, laju nya, memang power, kah..kah..exora auto 0-100 15.5 second, krg 0.5 second je bai, tak jauh beza pun. so how about 0-140kmh? i believe exora will overtake alza in that speed due to cps activation….
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p2 tak letak sebab takut pengalaman ngeri myvi berlaku kembali.. dulu masa myvi launched.. ramai komplen FC myvi auto tinggi sebab p2 masa tu promote dan buat iklan kununnya FC myvi ni save..so byk kena hentam dgn buyer sebab menipu.
syok la bace komen2 korang ni. hehe
teruskan mengomen. dont stop
kimi_ said,
Dear proton supporter,
The reality and evidence is Perodua done better than Proton, thats all!!!!!
It doesnt need a GENIUS to TELL you how sucks proton is
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dear ah beng who can't afford JDM end up with myvi..
what is evidence??
As company wise.. PROFIT is more important than sales figure
As customer like us …satisfaction is more important than being a crowd follower (ex. vios sales figure is better than city.. but city was awarded best sedan car in Malaysia.. and not a VIOS… )
Guys,
this is all business. You like, you buy. You don't like don't buy. You like, praise it. you don;t like, keep quiet.
Let's see some of the good car companies aroung the world. Saab, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Jaguar, Lotus, toyota and Mitsubishi.
Anyone know the history behind these manufacturers? Have they gone through bad time? Have they had their good times? But still people praise these car brands. But know that they have had their fair shares in bankruptcy, scandal and recall.
What is the difference with Proton? It is still a car manufacturer. It is no different. They were in their bad times when the quality was bad. But they are rising up as they improve.
I am a proud owner of a proton wira (1998), proton savvy (2006) , perodua viva (2007) and Persona (2010). None have given me major problems. Normal small problems is quite common. None of my cars have had major problems with power window (only the wira due to old age and only once changed). None of my cars broke down in the middle of the road (my mazda 1985 once but due to old age. But not in the statistics). My other cars that i'm proud of are Mazda Fmilia 1985 and Ford tx3 1990.
Seriously, i think Proton and Perodua should collabarate just like hyundai and kia. Then Perodua concentrating on smaller cars while proton concentrate on SUVs,MPVs, sedan ,etc….This way, our malaysian made cars can improve. Our cars are lacking behind. Look at myvi and JDM daihatsu boom. JDM model is using enhanced tuned K3 engine….Our myvi is using Old K3 engine. Look at alza, it is using old avanza detuned engine. Look at our campro engine, its quite old actually and there's some problems in it. Quality check for both companies are also not that good. Proton and Perodua should collabrate and work things out better. Providing us with the latest technology and good quality. I hope our malaysia market are not a junk where old models and old engine are been dumped at.
Peter : DSZ (Proton MD) suggested before they should consolidate. Perodua then boss arrogantly said there is no such need.
tokmoh said,
January 23, 2010 @ 9:31 pm
Peter : DSZ (Proton MD) suggested before they should consolidate. Perodua then boss arrogantly said there is no such need.
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local ppl in p2 just a puppet in action.. just follow instruction from big boss in Japan..
i wonder.. why ex MD resigned from p2…hehe
i feel pity reading among Malaysians fighting about their rides between P1 and P2. it sound like WW3 can be ignited because of disagreement in the statements. but i never blame you guys because we all given less opportunities to have a better choice. once opportunities is there, maybe in the near future, nobody will argue about their rides anymore, i hope PT can start other business already…. :)
learner,
even there is more choices, the bashing will still exist…
Proton make good looking cars,powerful CPS enjin,solid cars ( i mean Malaysia solid cars because Perodua always make Plastic and milo tin cars ) and Proton they try to improve their quality…but so sorry i really hate Proton even Proton make any good car because more of them owners are Malays or Indians!annoying and cheapskate!just like Waja they try to modified to EVO!OMGoes fake and slow fugly car!ugly fake EVO!seriously looks so cheap and stupid!so i prefer Perodua even they make Plastic and slower cars :)
littlefire, just send P2 to Thai and indon (the land of Toyota) and see how their ppls accepting the "son of toyota" in their land.. Clone vs Ori at level playing field…
i said,
January 25, 2010 @ 1:59 am
Proton make good looking cars,powerful CPS enjin,solid cars ( i mean Malaysia solid cars because Perodua always make Plastic and milo tin cars ) and Proton they try to improve their quality…but so sorry i really hate Proton even Proton make any good car because more of them owners are Malays or Indians!annoying and cheapskate!just like Waja they try to modified to EVO!OMGoes fake and slow fugly car!ugly fake EVO!seriously looks so cheap and stupid!so i prefer Perodua even they make Plastic and slower cars :)
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Kita rakyat malaysia benci orang macam kamu sebab terlalu perkauman… walau hanya sebut sedikit tapi dalam ayat situ dah ada sentimen perkauman… aku tak tahu sama ada kamu nie cina ke kakusian ke tapi yang pasti tolong jangan timbulkan sentiment perkauman & agama disini… tak semestinya melayu & india aje pakai proton…. cina pun banyak gak pakai proton… bangsa lain pun pakai proton…. kalau nak cakap tak suka, aku bleh cakap aku tak suka kebanyakkan orang yang pakai kereta besar sebab belagak tak bertempat…. potong ikut sedap tak bagi isyarat… kalau dah bagi jalan tu tak pernah nak bagi isyarat terima kasih… yang tau lagi nak berlagak macam diaorang aje yang bleh pakai kereta besar padahal belagak je lebih…. pi la mampus…. bila susah ke kemalangan ke pun lagi nak berlagak macam diri tu bagus…. aku tau tak semua tapi 100% yang aku jumpa 60% semua macam tu…. kalau tak suka dengan kaum lain tolong jangan tinggal dengan rakyat malaysia yang tak suka gaduh & hidup secara perpaduan, pergi tinggal dengan kaum sejenis yang satu kepala ngan kamu…
Cross Polo, takyah layan si racist tu… biarlah dia dok kat bawah tempurung buatan jepun…
peYno said,
January 22, 2010 @ 8:23 pm
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littlefire is just too young to understand. pity
What the hell proton done ?? Engine exora boleh pecah di genting last week !
Tolong checkl lah ni proton….. Mana QC, Mana QC Audit, Mana QC CBU Audit, Mana warrantly claim team ??? Kenapa senyap saja ???
Pleaseeeeeeeee help us …. kami buyers Exora takut terkena pulak ….
Nak pakai MPV Elgrand Nissan tak mampu….. so beli exora aje lah….
Please check R&D Proton ? Apa yang ko orang buat kat engine campro ni. ?
Trim & Final Shop staff buat apa ? Production Engineering buat apa ???
Aris Anuar (GM) buat apa ???
mana ko dapat berita nie bro….. Ke saja je nak sebarkan fitnah semata-mata atau dengar dari mulut orang yang dengar dari mulut orang gak ?.
Engine exora boleh pecah di genting last week !
yeke? gambar? tunjuk skit…
This is what En. Aminar said ;-“Our partner, Daihatsu, is surprised by the continued increase in sales of the Myvi every year. It certainly sells very much better than the equivalent model in Japan and has been the best-seller in Malaysia,” he said. Their 'partner' surprised lorr…
I think cucu Tan Chong worried his grandfather's livina cannot sell so well like before so starting making accusation. Proton, make a police report and bring him to court.
majority perodua owner are female , ah soos .. and only ah beng type of male drive p2 car… those ah beng japan wannabe who cant afford JDM.. end up with kancil mira turbo and myvi passo chop shop…prrrrfthhh
Cucu Tan Chong Serendah said,
January 25, 2010 @ 2:26 pm
What the hell proton done ?? Engine exora boleh pecah di genting last week !
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What the hell the Exora driver done?!! how did he stress the engine untill pecah?!! Enjin pecah? betul ke ni? apa ni, hari2 P2 fanboy tabur fitnah dan komen berbaur hasutan… sememangnya perangai typical org malaysia kot?
kan EOCM (Exora Owner Club Malaysia) gi genting last 2 weeks kan? ada diantara mereka bawak family (full load) naik… kalo betul enjin Campro tu mudah rosak dah pecah seperti mana yg digembar gemburkan oleh p2 fanboys, sudah semestinya konvoi EOCM itu ada byk Exora yg kondem.. ini tidak.. semua EXORA dgn gagahnya naik ke genting tu.. gi wbsite mereka.. semua muka EXORA owners tu happy je…. p2 fanboys.. get a life.. :D
saja nk bg org tkut beli Exora…mcm2 cara dorg nk jtuhkn kereta buatan Malaysia..ske sgt brg jepun yg pnh mjajah kite dulu…
Alza – Kereta juga MPV
Perodua – Daihatsu juga Toyota
hohoho…korang ni xabis2 nak mgomen…oficial comen dari aku setelah menggunakan alza auto slama 2mgu…FC consider bagus,70KM/RM10 @ lbh kurang 8L/100KM..auto pya xde compartment kecik untuk simpan duit [email protected] angin kuat skit banding dengan waja bila drive 100km.ruang blakang kira OK kalau 2nd row xtamak nak slade seat sampai blakang.power,handling lebih kurang Myvi..xtrasa besar sgt…topspeed..xtest lg..masih vergin.
hidup ni kena rasional la sikit, jgn la nak keta besar pastu nak laju mcm kete sport…nak ruang besar pastu nak minyak mcm sangkancil…ksian kat car designer…
Is this Alza aerodynamic? What is the drag coefficient or CD for Alza? Anyone in the know?
Congratulation Daihatsu
omg… what is he hiding there? :-o
I just get my pearl white Alza premium auto last week. i was amazed when i managed to drove it with average fuel 7L per 100km this morning. I get 8.6L on the way home after work. Alza handling is good with good cornering and it is very stable due to its stabiliser bar. Auto gear response smoothly and quietly. Engine noise penetration also minimal. The only thing i dislike is the wind penetration at driver side door. Dont know where it is and will get SC check and fix it. other than that, I am quite satisfy with my Alza. In fact, i have tested drive P1 Exora, Nissan Grand Livina, Toyota Avanza and Rush before i chose Alza. Everybody has their own taste and choice. And i chose Alza as it is cheaper than others eventhough it is smaller than some other cars. It is even cheaper than its sister, Avanza 1.5E and with more offers such as air bags, EBD and stabiliser bar and 1.5cc engine if compared with Avanza 1.3 Manual at the same price. It just lack an aircond at the second row. I didnt buy Alza because of its 7 seats. I have folded the last row for space and push second row backward to give more ledroom for my passengers.
I like my Alza so far and hope the goverment will lower down the national cars 40% sales tax (correct me if my figure not correct) to make national cars to be more affordable to all Rakyat Malaysia.
Go perodua
Alza Owner said,
February 3, 2010 @ 10:42 pm
I just get my pearl white Alza premium auto last week. i was amazed when i managed to drove it with average fuel 7L per 100km this morning. I get 8.6L on the way home after work. Alza handling is good with good cornering and it is very stable due to its stabiliser bar. Auto gear response smoothly and quietly. Engine noise penetration also minimal. The only thing i dislike is the wind penetration at driver side door. Dont know where it is and will get SC check and fix it. other than that, I am quite satisfy with my Alza. In fact, i have tested drive P1 Exora, Nissan Grand Livina, Toyota Avanza and Rush before i chose Alza. Everybody has their own taste and choice. And i chose Alza as it is cheaper than others eventhough it is smaller than some other cars. It is even cheaper than its sister, Avanza 1.5E and with more offers such as air bags, EBD and stabiliser bar and 1.5cc engine if compared with Avanza 1.3 Manual at the same price. It just lack an aircond at the second row. I didnt buy Alza because of its 7 seats. I have folded the last row for space and push second row backward to give more ledroom for my passengers.
I like my Alza so far and hope the goverment will lower down the national cars 40% sales tax (correct me if my figure not correct) to make national cars to be more affordable to all Rakyat Malaysia.
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good choice, and you get Wagon not MPV
Nak beli tak mahu sudah. Apa2 pun go produa!
pliz everyone yg banggakan sangat produk2 yg kononnya buatan malaysia…bangga itu bangga ini…sedarlah…duit itu akhirnya pergi kat sapa…kerajaan!!! yang korup…bawa sana sini duit ntah untuk apa…untuk joli sana sini…ataupun kalau tak kerajaan…pada bos2 dia sendiri yg jolikan duit tu ntuk kahwin lagi satu ker…ataupun buat maksiat…kita tahu ker benda macam ni….SO..BELILAH SESUATU BENDA TU SEBAB KITA SUKA BENDA TU…JANGANLAH SEBAB KITA BANGGA KER…AGAMA KITA TAK SURUH PUN KITA NAK MENINGGI2 DIRI CAMNI…KERANA HANYA PADA AGAMA KITALAH PATUTNYA KITA MESTI BETUL2 HARUS RASA BANGGA…BUKANNYA MANUSIA BIASA ATAU BENDA LAIN
Hahaha…. really an al-ta car ….. damm small and so called MPV …. Mini Perodua Vehicle ….. not a multi-purpose vehicle
hahaha…. really an AL-TA car …. damm small but not an MPV .. should be a Mini Perodua Vehicle, not a Multi-Purpose Vehicle …..
Alza has the same size like Toyota Avanza or Rush. not really small. I have brought 7 adults including myself visiting around during CNY. The engine performance really good although it is only 1.5cc. My average fuel consumption (auto transmission) is around 8.5L per 100km with driving speed 80km/hr and rpm 1900. (i usually drive 70 to 90km/hr). No complain from my 6 passengers so far. The aircond also did its job well for the 3rd row. (I treat 3rd row as emergency extra seat for extra passengers).