It’s one of the things that makes Malaysia unique – a popular ex-premiere who as the adviser to the national car company, can scoop all of the motoring publications in Malaysia when it comes to test driving and revealing the first details of the upcoming P3-21A!
Our ex-Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir has test driven the new Proton P3-21A at their Shah Alam test track, and he’s revealed the first details of Proton’s new car on his Che Det blog. The following is a list of what we can gather from his post:
- Proton’s new 1.6 liter turbo engine will be used, which allows the P3-21A to produce the power of a 2.0 liter engine with a smaller displacement.
- Hot press steel as opposed to cold press steel
- Vehicle Seek Lamp
- Wiper Auto Speed
- Automatic folding wing mirror
- Push-button Start/Stop function
- Automatic Wiper Sensors
- Automatic Headlamp Sensors
- GPS navigation system
- Impact sensing door lock
- Central Locking
- Alarm with Immobiliser
- CVT gearbox with 7 virtual speed manual mode
- Tiptronic selection on shift lever
- Steering-mounted paddle shifters
- ABS with Brake Assist
We’ve already been made aware of some of these features in the past, for example when we got our first look at the P3-21A’s interior (click to have a refreshed look in case you’ve forgot), we could see the paddle shifters and the push-start button.
Tun Dr Mahathir noted that these features are for the top of the line model, with some low-end and mid-level equipment levels to have less than the above features. He also mentioned that the car would be launched in 3 months time, which would mean sometime in May 2012? Until then, stay tuned for more updates!
In the meanwhile, what’s your wishlist for the new P3-21A? Share in the comments! For me, I would like to see 2 airbags standard on all models, as well as the option for side airbags to be included in the more expensive versions. I also wish ESP stability control would be an option.
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Wow… DRIVEN: P3-21A. Tun M first impressions.
;)
Ayyooo may? That’s too late…I’m getting married in dec..welll still hv time..hehehe
The look worth around the Viva price !
OMG…good news to Teksi….this new car with yellow suitable for teksi….Ya hooo…
May I know what does TUN know about cars?
He himself drives a Cayenne amongst other things…
my old sanyo aircon grille looks way better than this one….
proton with same problem again
and i just bought my inspira… i want a 1.6 turbo…=(
Lol. Looking back, people used to make fun of 20 years of selling saga kereta kebal. Today, proton changed model so fast people start to complain their model obsolete so fast.
I can almost imagine inside the proton logo, instead of tiger head, there’s troll face going “PROBLEM?”
not troll face …. i think is Y U NO BUY
Or maybe BITCH PLEASE, cuz seriously, that’s what every P3-21A owners gonna feel when they see an Inspira lol. Same can be said for Saga FLX owners to previous Saga BLM versions :P
from spec, it looks promising!! dont disappoint us, PROTON !!!
Promising specs should come with a promising price too!
agreed, kete cantik harga pn mst “cantik”……
Yeah, the price is expected to be around RM 65-75k.
i believe the price would be around 85k till 90k (full spec)
yes, i believe you are an economist that speculated 50% inflation for the next 5 months, hence the correct price.
If that kind of pricing, better get forte. I expect the pricing is slightly above the current persona pricing but lower than gen-2 pricing..
to me the price are equivalent to vios,city,mazda2,accent and etc .. will see
the price are quite equivalent but the specs are much much higher and better that those so called Japs cars’…eg the back suspension is using multilink not torsion beam like vios and city
If this type of price ,most if not all i assume will buy proven and branded Jap. H n T Cars. resale pun high.less risk .
hey i think all of u guys will be disappointed with the interior and from my point of view the exterior is not that exiting. for those who might ask how i know the detail>(done a survay on that particular car)
Promising? Wait till all the supposedly hi tech auto functioning gadgets malfunction. Remember the infamous power window? Or the ABS, airbag & handbrake lights that “auto switched on”? Lucky the airbags didn’t auto pop out!
If u still have to buy one, pls go for the most basic type if you don’t want some nasty surprises, who knows the headlamp may auto switch on when the car’s not in use or the wing mirrors keep flapping in & out, the wipers start working in the hot afternoon sun and goes dead when it’s pouring, etc, etc, etc.
Err…the one with maligned boot lid? A bad start…as usual
sounds like a global car to me…
the only think i differ from ‘tun m’ blog is the word “The extra Ringgit you have to spend will be worth it. ” <– For me the 'extra ringit' aka tax for buying a national car is just absurd.
people dont mind spending 70k buying national car, as long as it is 100% car price. Not 55% car price and 45% tax.
there’s a saying!
tax is a fine for people diong right and fine is a tax for people doing wrong!
make sense huh?! :)
Yeah, and who is going to pay for fixing the roads (ok… true, it’s not happening), educating the young, making sure everyone has decent healthcare and can afford a house/food, petrol is cheap, pay the police (aheeem…)? Not all taxes are used for good purposes, but in theory it’s a good thing, and without I guess things would be much worse.
Global car? Totally global? Then it must have a _minimum_ of 6 airbags, ABS, ESC/ESP, probably also TC. Otherwise, forget it in Europe, unless they manage to sell it cheaper than a Dacia Sandero. That’s probably impossible unless the car is absolutely naked, so no.
its a name and campaign to milk $$ from the gov and sell locally only. isnt savvy to be a global standard car?
Should check this out: http://howsafeisyourcar.com.au/
It’s a website by the victorian state government to help their citizens pick safe cars to buy. The only late model proton crash tested is the latest proton Saga. Even then it only has 3 stars, as opposed to other cars in the same category that have 5 stars, such as the Ford Fiesta and Honda Jazz.
The government even has TVC advising people “If the car does not have Stability Control, don’t buy it.”
And ever wondered why the Proton Jumback was such a failure? ONE star safety rating.
May??!!! May??!!! Wasn’t it supposed to be launched in March??!!!! Someone please tell me that was a typo!!!
Could be launch in March and delivery in May.
Or it is becoz of the new the chairman? Need to put some of his input first? :) hopefully the input will be a good one…
The car was rumoured to have 6 airbags, now it seems to have… 0. Good changes, eh?
mahathir must have been mad with proton designers for the ugly rear. so proton needs some more time to change the design. well i hope so!
Looks good with these features for a compact car.. Hope that there wil be paddle shift and sports mode
clearly malaysian will never read before giving comment.. clearly stated
CVT gearbox with 7 virtual speed manual mode
Tiptronic selection on shift lever
Steering-mounted paddle shifters
step by step guide which is standard among Malaysians:
1. read the title
2. look at picture(s)
4. write comment
somehow they always skip no 3: read the info
sorry k!! did not see it
LOL… read but did not see the word?
I did read the article, maybe I missed out a few lines..
ala if you admit that you didn’t read it, you gonna make your life easier.
no worries dude.. chill~
wow…!!!
Our very own historian told us that the 5 Hang warriors are not real. So should proton scrap their 5 upcoming models as well?
yeah and dragons are not real also. so change animal for this year ah?
racist.
Why racist? 5 hang n a dragon?
Tun M said on his blog: Available in 3 months time? I thought launch end of this month?
wow…7 speed transmission… is it can beat.. VW polo..7 speed??
DSG and CTV are different world =)
lousy car it is
Alamak….ko ni mabuk ke apa?
CVT means infinite amount of gears. 7 is just fake to make people not be confused. Nissan uses it in the X-Trail for example. If you don’t use the fake gears it should improve performance and lower FC, however it will sound weird (very low RPM while cruising at any speed, and when you accelerate hard it will just go to 4000 rpm or so and stay there all the time, while you go faster). It’s a huge improvement over the 4 speed that Perodua and Toyota use in most of their cars.
Don’t compare to VW tech.. Proton are ways behind.. but do compare their price w/o tax.. the price not a big gap.. So Malaysian got punished by Malaysia TAXES!!!!
Does it have entertainment system? If yes, i want to buy it!
you want sony or pensonic ?
Clarion or blaupunk for sure… Coz proton always use this brand..
bosch….
BOSE please…
dont worry bro, it has mini compo mounted on the dash..
It comes with a remote too!
and also free cassette. 7 title to choose
Cassettes are extinct already… now everyone listens to MP3s inside their handphones, MP3 players, iPods, or at least pendrives. That’s the reason why local artists cannot cari makan because they never thought of selling pendrives with their songs ;)
Haiyo, spoil the fun la buddy.
you just dont get it, do you?
Mahteh said it’s as good as the japs & European cars. Haha… After 20 years of sham… Who still believe in this guy? I don’t.
shame??..what is shame?..tell us
I think he’s referring to ‘sham’ not ‘shame’.
he said sham
Sham is correct. It means lying.
ppl english teruk dont ejek la LOL
If for 20 years he is only ‘shamming’… we’ll be eating our own hair right now… For many rights and wrongs, this country really progress under his management… I trust him more than any other political a**holes in this country.
Agreed. I don’t like a lot of his policies, and nowadays he really seems to have senile moments, but a large part of Malaysia’s progress can be attributed to him.
Those are some pretty impressive specs, Proton. How is it that every time I contemplate changing to a non-Proton car, you manage to come up with a model that tempts me right back in?
We are in the same picture A.M.
I am now considering to buy the upcoming non-Proton, yet the hot news/updates of this new Proton Tuah somehow has tempted me to stay with Proton! :D
Yes, I am tempted by the design on non-Proton today (in the context of normal, mass produced passenger cars) be it fluidic design Hyundai or Schreyerish KIA… but when I come back to my senses… cars are like human being… the look does not last… and like human due to aging, we cannot expect the car forever to perform exactly like we first bought it!
If I decided to buy this, it would be a 3rd Proton car for me and wife. Never have a big issue with the 10 y.o Waja and my wife’s 1 1/2 y.o Saga, both still remain as our faithful servants (in fact I do enjoy travelling with my 10 y.o Waja more than the Saga).
Despite all the complaints I have read, I still believe that no cars regardless what brand is problem free and no cars are built to last forever i.e subjected to wear and tear, which is highly dependant on how you drive and how you maintain it… treat your car nicely, it will serve you well… hopefully.
And talking about the above, as much as I have witnessed Proton stalled over the roadsides/ highways or being towed… i have also seen in an equal numbers, if not more of Mercedes/ BMW/ Volvo/ VW/ Toyota/ Honda/ Perodua etc… etc in the same exact condition… I guess its a part & parcel and inherent possibility that all car owners have to bear (not to mention even supercars like Lambo are exposed to “spontaneous combustion” risk hehehe… :P).
Bro, i love ur patriotism and your sense of judging.
Own perdana and waja. The perdana if second hand cheap, really can buy but make sure gearbox is good. Very different compare to other protons. There is quality and comfort in perdana.
Reliability!!!! Thats what matter the most…to me at least…
Buy VW Beetle. The original one.
it matters to everyone
But not the most. I don’t want to buy an unsafe, crappy car with no features at all at a high price just because it is reliable.
Honda City Trollbait!! ROFL..
Let’s await the review from paultan.
hope paultan will give test review in advance before launch time in ay 2012
first time proton included so many automatic detect this and automatic sensing that. pretty useless features and has the highest risk of malfunctioning. And there is Start/Stop!
Pretty ambitious for proton standards but if that 1.6 turbo unit is punchy, most people will be happy.
wat crap… automatic headlamp and rain sensing wiper are simple things to implement, dont criticize for the sake of sounding smart, or r u a perodua dealer?
this is proton’s first time implementing so much technologies into their cars. just have a good look at the spec list again: auto wiper, auto wiper speed, and auto lamp, sounds fancy but we can clearly see the differences between night and day, sunny and rain. do we find that pushing the stalk to activate wipers/lights too troublesome? obviously no.
Dont get me wrong, i know many premium car makers out there have these pretty pointless gadgets in them but hey, people buy them because these companies make decent or good cars, not because for these fancy gadgets. they just comes with it so nothing we can do. But for a budget car maker like proton, it is a whole different story…
Just look at it this way, not even the most high end Japanese cars in malaysia such as Accord, Camry has these auto wipers technologies and stuff. And are the sales affected because of that? Clearly not. The japanese knew that such tech are of no use to their customers. And its also why they are famous for their reliability.
My point is, the main reason Proton decides to include such tech into their new Waja replacment is to make it look more value-for-money as it’s competitors has none of them, not because it makes our lives easier. (who actually uses them?) Good marketing strategy I guess, but they should also knw that such tech can fail to work even for a German car and this being proton, I don’t think it will fare any well over a period of time either.
Everybody likes the idea of a simple and quality car. So instead of squeezing in more fancy tech, why not Proton just spend these cost on R n D, and quality control? People who buys proton just need a simple and cheap way to travel, so might as well make their journey a more safer and pleasurable one with a more quality product.
And to answer your last question, no I am not working for perodua. I am just a person with an opinion. Thank you.
Auto lights are good, many Malaysians obviously don’t know how to use them… Same with indicators (or let the car countersteer when trying to change lane without indicators, also let the seat vibrate, annoying beep, … Lol).
But yes, this tech can fail.
The reason why Japanese cars come without these features is that they can sell horse carts and people would still buy them… They even don’t have airbags, or very few. Japanese cars for the European market are relatively competitive in terms of specs, and do they break down all the time? No!
it sound like you own this car before.. try pun tak lagi.. macam2 assumption dah buat.. typical betul lah.
Yeah, so were power windows. Pretty simple and most basic of things to implement too…..and what did Proton do? Remember what the taxi driver told the Proton CEO?
sure he doesnt know anything about electrical system and technology…if there is a risk,sure the engineer dont want to put in their product….very typical mindset…haishh….
Risk of failing. Proton had problems with power windows, which are a fairly established and simple technology. I’m not saying that’s going to happen again, but you should be able to understand why people are worried.
Also even Merc drivers constantly complain about their automatic wipers, going off when the windscreen is still almost dry etc.. Merc can’t implement it properly, but Proton can?
do you know why the power windows failed most of the time? it’s not because of the tech, but the material used to screw the motor onto the door panel is plastic. the motors rarely gave in, its just that when the plastic brackets snap all hell breaks loose with the cable getting entangled. so it’s not a matter of risk of tech failing, more of risk of cost cutting measures that makes it fail in the long run. but as i recall the previous p1 head was responsible for these bad calls
auto wiper tech will never be perfect unless you have sensors all over the screen. currently the sensor will detect a small area. if your windscreen looks dry but there is water at the sensor of course la it will go off no matter what brand car
it’s simple logic, only merc owners who complain are those that don’t understand the tech they have under the brand name.
definitely true.. d plasticky material failed d power window
And P1 Engineer FAILED to realised it? or Top management decision just to make money with cheap material.. My quess.. the second choice..
you are right bro!!!
sure you dont know how the wipers work …hmmm
if dont put, u angry,
proton put more stuff… still angry?
seriously what’s the problem with malaysian mindset?
if not satisfied go lah buy ridiculously overpriced perodua myvi
i think he is just angry that because of proton, his lamborghini tax increase, HAHAHAHAHHA!
isnt proton overpriced too? well mayb proton is cheaper for u… myvi overpriced yet it still sells 180k+ in 2010 and 2011, overpriced so?? all msian is forced to buy overpriced car, “dum arse”
exactly…these ppl still do not know abt cars…btw proton is a manufacturer…perodua is only an assembler…no technology at all…everything borrow fr japan
I really hope the turbo engine be paired with a 6-speed manual.. please Proton.. Tired of looking at mundane and sedate Toyota, Honda and Nissan on the road.
must be same as EXORA Bold one for this turbo.
and this would be costing us around RM80k, high fuel consumption and never ending power window issue…
Hello jgn jangan jadi katak bawah tempuronglah. One thing for sure proton have change but your mentality are not. Masih berfikiran kolot…
obiwan, kamu harus berterima kasih pada orang ni, kalau tak ada orang kutuk pada kereta proton dari dulu, u rasa ada proton guy yang figthing to improve here.
All dia orang ni duduk dan angguh di sana. Apatah lagi servis sampai skarang pun tak improve.
Kutukan membina mmg boleh.. tapi bila nak kutuk, biar update sikit bro… Kalo nak keta power kenala sanggup beli minyak lebih sikit… isu masalah power window dah boleh kira sedikit je komplen… Dah keta 1.6 sumbat turbo takkan la nak minyak nak jalan mcm kancil kot…
betul jugak..
chinfung
diorg 2 bg kritikn yg x membina langsung bro…kte kne r bg kritikkn yg mmbine skit..br lah pro skit.. ini kritikkn mcm budak tadika jeee pe hal..
Aduhai bro, bukannya tak sedih tgk keadaan proton skarang yg dalam keadaan ICU. tapi tak tau la nak cakap apa nak tolong.
tahun lepas, beli 2 krta BARU, 1 saga, 1 vios, vios pakai utk salesman, saga pakai utk orang tua sy, 1/2 tahun je, proton saga tu 1. rubber pintu keluar la , 2. casket enjin ! rosak (minyak hitam keluar), 3. bumbung atas tak tau la karat ke apa. malas nak complain lagi. ini u panggil improve?
Servis utk my vios lagi byk murah banding dgn proton saga, u TAU!?
kalau u kata 1 krta RM40K tak boleh banding dgn 1 kerta RM70K, sy pun tak boleh nak cakap apa.
that why you always gajisikit only know to complain and bash get a life la..
Hello where hav u been lately….hav u just woken up from coma???
P1 hav done alot of improvement already in terms of power window issues…
I have been using waja CPS for more than 4 years already NO Power window issue…
Love the power and quality…stop giving lame comments about power windows problems…it’s already history (dah basi)….
Do ur home work before commenting… read about CVT powertrain proton is using..its from punch power train.. CVT used in exora bold and P3-21A
Watch this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6hOHjcZTWJo
Typical P2 sales man statement…
u orang patut berterima kasih pada “gajisikit” tau, kalau tak ada mereka ni yang kutuk kereta Proton , mana ada proton guy yang nak buat improvement sini. kereta waja pun kena visit service center macam visit keluarga la.
apatah lagi servis skarang masih kekal dan tak improve. service charge mahal lagi tak tau buat kerja, service charge harga macam honda accord tapi quality tak macam macam..
Chin Fung,
itu sbb la i nk betul kan statement dia…itu komen sudah tak boleh pakai…u ingat semua komen negative org selama ini proton tak amik tau ka??? dulu boleh la komen mcm ini..tapi sekarang proton sudah banyak improve maaaa….
tapi ‘gaji sikit ‘punya statement macam kata proton takda ada improvement langsung maaa..baca betul2…
you sudah tgk itu youtube video ka belum???? i mau bukit kan yang komen dia sudah tak boleh pakai….. tolong phm komen sebelum mau komen…ada pahm ka???
Aduhai bro, bukannya tak sedih tgk keadaan proton skarang yg dalam keadaan ICU. tapi tak tau la nak cakap apa nak tolong.
tahun lepas, beli 2 krta BARU, 1 saga, 1 vios, vios pakai utk salesman, saga pakai utk orang tua sy, 1/2 tahun je, proton saga tu 1. rubber pintu keluar la , 2. casket enjin ! rosak (minyak hitam keluar), 3. bumbung atas tak tau la karat ke apa. malas nak complain lagi. ini u panggil improve?
Servis utk my vios lagi byk murah banding dgn proton saga, u TAU!?
kalau u kata 1 krta RM40K tak boleh banding dgn 1 kerta RM70K, sy pun tak boleh nak cakap apa.
i agree that Proton is trying to improve, but at a very slow pace compare to other car manufacturer, you are lucky that your waja cps doesn’t have the power windows issue. My fren’s new saga having power window issue and went to service center at least 5 times to fix it, it just keep on spoiling after the fix.
I know everyone is trying to support our national car maker and me too, but we can’t just support blindly, we have to be aware of what’s happening around us. look at how way behind Proton is compare to those car manufacturers that were once on the same par with Proton long time ago…
Proton cars really cheap? Yes, they are cheap in Malaysia, but is the car really really cheap? If we were to remove all the different tax imposed and all type of car regardless of local car or foreign were to sale fairly, will Proton car be the cheapest with the equal quality? But i believe under DSZ Proton is improving way faster then the many many years before DSZ…
i second you.
in UK, waja is similarly priced with ford focus!!! now what is that??
And in SG, Gen2 and Peronsa costs more than the Forte SX and the new Elantra.. Cheap indeed ! LOL
patut la gaji ko sikit..
cakap byk..keje malas..
tau nk complaint jek..
how do u know??
malaysia will have a never ending supply of useless shallow minded citizen like u…
u mad bro?
nice troll….
May? May???? May???
This car might very well sell on its looks alone.
sound interesting.
eventhough the exterior design makes me a bit dissapointed, but when i read the specs, the specs looks very impressive…
agree with you, the exterior of proton always kureng.. not look so sporty though.. sad..
hopefully it will make us really proud! ;D
anyway good job Proton, keep it up!
Proton will Impress Us if it’s similar to the concept! well, hope to see that on other replacement model like Proton Saga since it’s 5 years’ cycle will be reached soon! (Jan 2008 – Jan 2013)
Persona: (2007 – 2012!!) settled! next year Proton Saga lah!
SAGA R are expected to launch in 2014 and exora R also will coming…..if no other issue..dunno la if DRB want to scrap the project…
Tengku M will make it Saga GTR
Grill tu ubah sikit proton.. Wow ada DRL.. Gilak ah.. Malu saya sebagai pengguna T. Xda DRL.
Hehehe…
Manual Please.
manual wait personaR
Proton just need to put more efforts in quality control and improve their after sales services. Most of the people who were disappointed with the proton car’s problems are mostly treated in a bad manner by those working in the customer service lines.
Can’t wait to sell this model soon.
Yes, fully agreed with u
yeah couldnt agree more… the customer service sector need to improve n not tell me.. ..something like… ” bro ni Proton lah… mesti ada sikit sikit ” sigh….
agree..
After vendor, now P1 is to do ‘spring cleaning’ of the service centres…
erm… everything on the spec sheet… on a crossover chasis… n i’ll book it…! hopefully by next year with coming proposed suv/crossover vehicle. huhuuu… :P
model baru ganti persona dah kluar. lpas ni saga. bile lagi nak ganti perdana? rebadge pun rebadge lah.
D segment market kt m’sia x bsr la bro…let P1 try with this new baby….Perdana replacement maybe in the pipeline…just wait n see…sabar la ye..
sukasuki u lupa lg satu bro..
mn pengganti proton putra..xkn nk terus pupus je..
bro, kalo ada balik putra cun gk..
mintak aa proton buat kuar untuk ulangtahun ke 50 ke.. kasik kawkaw nye.. 100 unit cukup aa kasik hidup balik legacy.. ” Putra II “
The highest spec Jetta costs about USD$28.5k. It includes a 2.0T, 200 hp TSI® engine, 6-speed automatic transmission with Tiptronic® and Sport mode, Keyless push-button start. That is RM86k. This P3-21A better be around RM60k max.
If Proton is concern about AFTA and being a global car, then start by pricing this product well.. Maybe RM38K for the basic model.
If you are in Europe, you can still buy a NEW entry level Mercedes below Euro $19K…So RM38K is still expensive considering the cost of living and wages in Malaysia. Don’t even get me started with the prices of MINI Cars …..
We are really treated as Frog in the Well in Malaysia by our beloved 1 Malaysia Govt!
then go outside the well lah.. nearest pond is in Indonesia.. jump over there and try to make car loan… see how much you have to pay for the down payment
theres 75% excise duty for all car (local or import) .. which explain why proton cars are more expensive in Malaysia than other country, which have lower excise duty ..
http://www.maa.org.my/info_duty.htm
true, but where else do u know of a maid in almost every other home making RM500-600/month and people eating out daily for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Not in the US, UK etc. You can’t have the cake and eat it too. Btw you forgot to quote the price of a car service as well as a litre of gas or a can of Coca Cola in EU.
A 19k Mercedes will probably be empty, except for the safety features. But it might not even have power windows… lol. Never compare with entry level contis, they have almost all the safety features but nothing else. And as soon as you put in some options the price will explode. Slighty bigger engine? 10k RM more. Auto? 10k more. Cupholders? 500 more. Radio with more than 2 speakers? 1000 more. GPS? 10k more. It is very easy to double or triple the base line model price, without changing to a better engine.
Why was Proton first invented? To be a People’s car… To serve the people and nation with affordable and reliable car.. i.e VW Bettle or an avenue to tax it’s nation more so that certain party can benefit from it or to boost certain parties ego?
Our govt is very SMART… since not everyone is at the segment of being taxable, and by changing the law to get very one to pay taxes will cause them to lose votes and support… So they deceided to include them in our basic needs… That’s our cars..By not just a few percent but by slapping us 100% tax with the cars we buy.. Soon to come GST….
plz dont just do direct currency conversion like this. need to consider cost of living there too. house,food,petrol,TAX,etc..
for our national car, actual price is way lower..we still need to pay TAX. yes national car also got TAX ma.. in case some Malaysians still doesn’t know it.
I just can’t wait to see a bodykit design for this model.
Good spec doesnt mean the quality is promising! and most importantly duno where are those parts source from. seriously i dont trust all proton vendors. all want big money and give shit products!!!
No airbags? Typical that he didn’t mention it, but central locking is worth mentioning? Typical “security? who cares!” mindset (unless the car really has only 2 airbags, but even then it’s worth mentioning). Or is that a secret?
I think all of these features were to be expected, perhaps the automatic this and that things not, but then again those I might not want (what if it goes wrong? Even Mercedes has problems with automatic wipers, and Proton can do better?!).
try first la braderrr..car haven’t in our hands yet, you already screwed up with the wipers..then compare our national car to a 300k mercedes..
seriously we do not need this type of typical thinking..why dont you create a car that have better quality than a merc and most important, priced it at proton’s price..see who is screwing up..
learn brader..
Huh? I just wanted to say I can understand the worries of some. When a 300k car can’t get a feature to work properly (many complain), it would be quite an achievement for Proton to do better, despite the smaller budget for r&d and the lower car price.
Murphy’s law: what can go wrong, will.
yea yea keep complaining..if you don’t like it keep it to ur self….
people come here to read review about new models from car company’s..the car has’nt even been launched yet and already,so many negativity from u …
Huh? I am a proton supporter la. Just wondering where the rumoured airbags are, instead they are bringing unnecessary features. I think it will be a good car though.
Mercedes has problems with auto wipers???can u elaborate it more…i didnt see any problems with the auto wipers…hmmm
Search on the internet, many are complaining (in Malaysia, Germany, …). Usually it is too eager, so it tries to wipe an almost dry windscreen, giving annoying sounds and streaks. Sometimes it also goes off when an insect hits the sensor.
if someone’s not able to do it does it mean that others can’t too?
pity u.
such a narrow minded.
Tun’s verdict is reliable and l really believe that after test drive “sincere” guy will give positive response about this car. Hopefully start-and-stop function also featured. Very useful to promote better FC.
Having said that, l don’t impressed with P3-21A exterior, nowhere better than fluidic design of Hyundai Elantra, projected price from RM85k for 1.6MT.
very updated feature, can blend with today’s car technology…one thing bugging me is the headlight, kinda small la..
Wahh… so cantikk.. rugi lor I dah beli honda C mggu lpas. keep it up proton
Tipuuuuuuu!!!!!
hahaha…… i pon baru lepas bli bugatti… rugi btol la..
I maybe wrong,but this model reminds me of kia forte. Hope this car will not disappoint. Proton needs to improve on quality of interior. My old S60 has not have any kriek sound even after 10 years.
May..? Seriously..? proton’s rivals will have ample time to strike back.. trust me
yes, by introducing empty spec alza!
Its perodua lor, even they change the seat to plastic chair and claim it japan tech, most people will buy it.
ahaha.. yaa.. rite..!
this car should have running daylights too !!! see the led in front
too bad they screwed up the rear design.tyhe concept was so promising.but good features,keep it up Proton
Same old campro engine. Add turbo only. Lousy Proton. No new engines for a long
time.
Bapak kau bagi duit dan expertise ke? Talking as if R&D is as easy like you talking cowstool over a cup teh tarik. >_<
When Toyota keep recycling old engines for its models you don’t even dare to bash it… typical hypocrite…
Sori la bro. Most of the engine parts is newly developed to cope with boost. Manufactured by very well known company in the world. If you dont know, please better keep silent. It is not just by adding turbocharger only.
Malaysia’s very own The Stig…maybe he should host a motoring show also…he seem to have a sense of humour to rival jeremy clarkson’s. Wonder if he will trade all his cars for this new 321 proton. Long live The Tun.
ESP hopefully or the very least 4 or 5 star Euro NCAP. I’ll remain suspicious about the quality, performance and reliability of this new car till it goes through some rigorous testing.
No 5 stars anymore without ESP :)
I don’t see any mention of Airbags….I sure they would. I hope!
HAHA… the safety feature sucks to the max.. no EPS no TC no HILL ASSIST ??? HAHA !!! make me laugh my ass out…
what the heck pasang hill assist kat kete sedan? are u fool or too smart that makes u like a fool?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!
Bro, u really outdated.. Hill assist nowadays not only SUV also got, even normal sedan cars also have… It is normally integrated into the auto gearbox, please do research be4
acting u really “katak di bawah tempurung”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_Start_Assist
Really a dissapoitment when Exora Bold didnt came out wif ESP, Hopefully this have it…
I think there’s been a confusion between Hill Start Assist and Hill Descent Control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_Descent_Control_system
If not mistaken the Hill Descent Control System use with the ABS and not the gearbox as Hill Start Assist..
Anyway it is also a good technology to help ppl when going down the hill.. Currently if not mistaken only Land Rover is using it..
Lots of SUVs has hill descent control, like BMW X-Series and even Hyundai Santa Fe.
haha.. actually i dun care.. but if proton want to be a global car, in order to impress everyone in this world they need to put in all these function.. if not.. say bye bye la ha.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!! do u guys really think we malaysians dun want to see proton terrorizing the world? hahahaha !!! imagine VW is a malaysian car.. we will be freaking happy and proud..
Yup, i think they do have, but different name…
Hyundai if not mistaken got both technology which include Downhill Brake Control (DBC) keeps the car in check on low speed, steep descents, while the Hill-start Assist Control (HAC) function keeps you from rolling back on difficult hill starts.
But for BMW, if not mistaken only got hill start assistant?
Three: the hill-start assistant for worry-free hill starts without rolling backwards. Or maybe just for Malaysia market dont have?
http://www.bmw.com.my/com/en/newvehicles/x6/x6/2007/allfacts/engine/dynamic_stability_control_extended.html
Anyway, i wonder why P1 never think of getting better safety spec for our local market? Is it not a better safety & marketing tool to be better to others competitors?
LOL ! my comment is not up yet.. maybe Proton doesn’t want me to say out the truth..
dsg gearboxes need a hill start assist, otherwise they roll back even in D. Not sure if this applies to CVT too, but it didn’t feel like it.
Anyway that is not a safety feature and not required to impress globally. A manual gearbox, ESP, 6+ airbags are necessary though. Otherwise no point trying in Europe.
dui…. pasal hill assist pun nk kecoh.. if u know how to drive manual, u dont have to worry shit about this. hill start? hill descending? hahahahahaha, NOOOBB!!! laen la ESP ke ABS ke, mmg susah nak replicate manually.
Polo aku pun takde hill assist…seksa gila…
Driving lesson No.2 if not No.1 says use the hand brake…………… (regardless of what technology your car have)
Even new drivers know that……………
well, from most of the complaining that they had before we can see that Proton is trying their best to improve their quality now… improving, enhancing and achieving the air to become an international product… so proton should thank us for making them realize the weakness and they should get praises for they achievement… since Tun Dr. Mahathir commented them like that, i think we say they are achieving something… all da best to proton team!!! :)
you want a car with high end spec for rm80k++ and below???…come on la malaysian…if u want that kind of things go and buy China car…very fragile car…u can get very cheap…
why not…only Malaysia impossible…haha
is that luxgen from taiwan spec lousy?
in which country the ex pm actually reveals a detailed spec of a new car model ??
we r very unique !
well said bro…this is what we call bizarre top mgmt…
i think none bro, but too bad other country’s ex pm didnt initiate their national car like our ex pm rite? i bet honda and toyota existent had nothing to do with their pm rite?
i thought he was there coz he is the Advisor?
kroni maaa
Specs look good. Yes, 2 airbags must be std. Personally, I’d like it to have park assist, cruise control and ride minimally on 17″ wheels! BUT Proton, listen up… The grill looks OLD and OUTDATED n DRLs (if they are) looks CHEAP!
i want them to bundle it with Ricky Bobby miniature
and a year worth of Taco Bell supplies
or maybe Fatoush’s delicious fruit beverages
what do we love as an engineer is, they start to use hot steel stamping.. n its getting interesting.. i would to spend my future engineering career at Proton.. GaMBaTTe KuDaSaI Proton!!
http://kia-buzz.com/?p=6191
here is a good explanation of hot stamping, kia uses it too
if u r an engineer, better work in oil and gas bro…more money to buy car, if work at Proton, money won’t be enough…just an advice, but for passion, if you are a petrol head…okay..go on
does it mean that TM Will not be chairman of Proton…because if TM Knows that TDM had revealed details of the upcoming car…TM will be pissed off…may want to saman TDM as well….
you being naughty with your intro. there Paul….hihihi….
its sad to read that malaysian itself doesn’t proud wif proton..all the proton engineer are struggling to improve the car even wif a little pay..cmonla..support cket hasil usaha ank melayu
Till then, it will remain that way.
You mean in Proton there is no other races who work there ? Please clarify your statement.
bodoh… kereta pun boleh jadi racist… apa punya attitude engkau ni..
lor, there is a lot chinese and indian in proton. please save your ketuanan melayu spirit when talking about automotive. duh…
i just bought proton Inspira with only 6 speed without push start button & turbo….. OMG… i’m start to think that am i doing the rite thing not to wait for this car with lots of electronic stuff & promising performance?….
sell to me 60K
dude,u got mivec engine…well,maybe not as powerful as cfe as ur engine is STANDARD,NA…but,rmember..its mitsubishi engine,proven to last..look how many mivec 1st gen stll on road today? :) n yet stll powerful~
Would be awesome if proton offers more engine varieties. This could possibly be as competitive as the koreans and japanese cars. I hope for the best for proton.
baru tengok apa kata tun di blognya mengenai p321a http://chedet.cc/blog/?p=686
2 perkara yg takut/ kecewa kalau betul2 jadi
12. Naturally the price would be higher though probable cheaper than imports with similar features and quality.
14. The car will be available in three months time.
yg no 12 tu seolah2 macam mustahil ja nak jual dgn harga RM 75, 988 (harga max versi premium). macam nak lagi mahal ja macam nak masuk market inspira ja. satu lg yg no 14 tu. tak jadi launch ke bulan march ni? kalau tempah awl pun tetap dpt bulan 5 jugak ka?
kesilapan proton – bila ada features baru, harga pun jacked-up tinggi-tinggi.
lihat proton persona. starting price at 46K. selling like goreng pisang panas.
look at inspira then… -at 75-92K, proton has so many of excess stocks. they had to stop production while clearing them. they will hard to sell.
tambah lagi.. rupa yg semacam itu. dan oh pleasee.. do not sell that in yellow colour. it looks horrible!!
Let’s just hope it lives up to all this hype! And not be like the iPhone 4S :p
Well, I hope that it is priced below RM70k which makes it affordable and might gain more support from people. Above RM80k? Some will think only twice before opting for a Forte.
I’d like to have ESP on highest trim levels of this coming beauty, at least 205 wide tires ..
From UAE and Egypt
This new Proton P3-21A looks really nice and it looks like the national carmaker is finally back on track with its own designs. The last time it created a buzz was with the Satria Neo, and the rebadged Lancer GT was not really its design, Now here’s an actual Proton works again- looks like I may just add a Proton back into my garage of Japanese and Korean makes :)
OK, need to cancel my booking on Exora Bold then. Or this might be my 2nd-weekend-dating with hot chickc-car?
Buy both lah brother… EB this month and P3 end of this year…. by that time you already know what to expect from both of them… since both are having the same engine characteristics only P3 is more uuuummmmmppppphhhh
This car for hot chick? Think twice. What kinda chick you’ll get?
dozy888. I suggest you migrate to Europe and can buy merc, bmw, vw etc with cheaper price.
I think it shares lotsa inpira parts. Auto light/wiper. Could it be the same part for both? But campro still a no no for me. Not criticise, but lost confident on my previous Junk2 ride. No major problem but tend to run very rough after years even with proper maintenance. Bearing, valves, etc and i even feel myself before on the engine piston, material is too filmsy.
“Material is too flimsy”? Hmm.. I hope you have clearer explanation about that.. I’m misguided..
Knock down a campro engine and see/feel yourself. You’ll know what i mean.
i truly support you. using first batch persona since the past 5 years. luckily, nothing happened to me.
but campro engine is dead lazy at low rpm. but i never regret coz at 46K, it has superb value for money.
i do agree, through a licensed Inspira only proton guys know how to create auto wiper/light in P3-21A. should have engineered auto signal as malaysians are very lazy to use them.
Great ! another new car….
“…a popular ex-premiere who as the adviser to the national car company, can scoop all of the motoring publications in Malaysia…”
Yea, side tract a bit … a pro-ruling party blogger also got the chance to board the military submarine in Malaysia Navy Force ( not sure he got the chance to test drive the submarine or not), took photo, and put it in his blog. He (as a blogger) also top all secret services of the advanced countries. A really unique feature of M’sia indeed.
actually I am international person who leave in Malaysia more than 10 year..but i guess most important part which always proton forgot it for be a comfort car is adjustable ” Telescoping Steering Wheel”…….. because all human body is deferment and all people need it…that is not luxury part its proper part……..
” Telescoping Steering Wheel”
You’re very right, I’m unable to comfortably drive any car without telescopic steering wheel as I would always sit too far away from the steering wheel. It’s a glaring defect on the Nissan Teana’s specs list in my opinion.
I agree with you my dear friends Paul………….
also I remember my father cars in Riyadh “Saudi Arabia” the car model years is 1976 GM
that car had ” Telescoping Steering Wheel” …………..look at the year 1976 …….but now is 2012..!!! many cars are steal without……” Telescoping Steering Wheel” including proton company…:)
That’s super luxury for most Asian manufacturers, myopic at their best. If your seat can be rearward so do your steering wheel. Start-stop function (not start-stop button) another essential now.
seyed muhammad, do you mean steering wheel that adjusts for reach and rake?
80% of cars in europe are having it as standard feature. in malaysia those i know have it include camry and new corolla altis.
My dear friend for better understanding look at these videos…….http://youtu.be/3mZsb0Td98k
http://youtu.be/JPgtMtdWku4
yes friend. that is what we say adjusts for rake and reach.
all new cars nowadays already using collapsible telescopic steering shaft.
the difference is either adjustable for tilt only or both ways. 80% of passenger cars on sale in europe have them as standard.
actually I am international person who leave in Malaysia more than 10 year..but i guess most important part which always proton forgot to install it for be a comfort car is adjustable ” Telescoping Steering Wheel”…….. because all human body is deferment and all people need it…that is not luxury part its proper part……..
” Telescoping Steering Wheel”
abdul123 says:, Same old campro engine. Add turbo only. Lousy Proton. No new engines for a long. Why you are so stupidddddddddddd giving this kind of comment. I hope you become CEO of Proton and built as many engines for Proton cars.
without esp, this car is incomplete…please proton include esp!!!
“A foreign friend who knows cars, tested the car and says it is up to the standard of the up-market cars from Europe.” – excerpt from chedet
Hope his friend’s name is Jeremy Clarkson
JC only praises british made cars. others are crap!!
man..i sure do hope with the turbo, this car is able to make a century sprint within 10secs on auto. with that i’m sure proton is really up there with the top dogs. probably even outdoing the japs n making a stamp in the global market. :)
ohyesss 10 secs century sprint is gonna make this car EPIC!! please proton please!!
This is very good effort by P1. Just hoping for :
1 – Bigger wheel size with wider tyre
2 – Hope they improve the grill design for later version (R3 or SE or etc) because this one look cheap and its a pity to put that kind of grill on the car with very promising spec
3 – LED rear light
4 – Price range below RM80k
5 – Improved after service
6 – Most important is durability and quality
I second your no 2, 3, 5, 6
I have no comment on no 1
I would hope for below 70K (unlike your no 4)
Body Forte lahh broo…..i dah tengok dahh….but still cool!!! looks decent
Concerning “Hot press steel as opposed to cold press steel”… is that really a good thing?
Could someone pls explain why hot pressed steel is better than cold press steel?
Thx
the reason many OEMs are moving to hot press steels is that they want to reduce weight while retaining the the same rigidity & strength of heavier cold press steels.. most of cars that achieved high ncap rating on body structure usually incorporate hot press steels in their cars.. the only drawback is that it’s more expensive to produce than cold press steels..
2 airbags are standard even for baseline. Premium line will have more than 2. The car tested with front driver n passenger airbags, side driver n passanger airbags, curtain airbags for front n rear occupants. Only mgt will decide whether all airbags will include in premium line coz malaysian market is price sensitive. active headrest available for executive(m-line) n premium (h-line). All 4 wheel discbrake available across the variants, while mid to high will have abs,ebd,bebd n ba.
esp for premium line. For ice, 4 speaker with dsp is standard while premium will get touchscreen,reverse camera n touch screen multimedia n it is from bosch.
Mline will have water repellant fabric seat n hline as usual leather.
Push-button Start/Stop function for high line only?
1. A desperate attempt to ask Dr Mamak to praise Tuah but still he prefer Porsche anytime anyday he he he
2. Dr Mamak said Tuah is on par with European cars… he he he delusion of granduer let see when Forte 2013 come out lah
3. Talk about high tensile steel, eh?? He he he his old pal late Eric Chia should give free steel to Protongkat instead of bankrupting Perwaja Steel lah
4. Dr Mamak said cheap cars just cannot have the quality and the features…really he he he…Hyundai Kia can do it not only cheaply but great design until the Japanese, US brands gone bust now…
5. Dr Mamak said that given the support Protongkat can produce quality cars…yawn…after more than 25 years and RM10 billion sales later still same crap…similarly Hyundai Kia enjoy Tongkat but offer world class great design now…
6. Dr Mamak said Tuah price maybe higher but still cheaper than imports with similar features and quality…he he he…how about charge only 10 pct sales but without 75 pct excise duty (or excise duty based on CO2, fuel mileage test)…dare to compete fair and square kah he he he
7. Dr Mamak said the extra Ringgit you have to spend will be worth it…he he he…sounds like another Amal Jariah charity to vendor parts Cronies kah he he he…how about give Life-Time Warranty whole car plus Life-Time Free Service (parts and labour)….now that’s worth money wasted lah he he he
u can hate him, as you wish….but what with calling name and racism….are you implying mamak as something bad….think about it
he is mamak who never acknowledged he is one.
and yeah…he is enjoying his nice expensive cars n yet ask us to buy this proton? how fair is that?
he has to support proton afterall its his brainchild..which is doing bad also he says its good.. perwaja steel is his project that went bust, proton cannot go bust, if not his self worth gone!
FYI, Dr M had a collection of all Proton R3 car…so stop being a gay in this car’s forum…
what to do.. her name already stated that… kurang Ajar @ Ajaw
Proton can put all the bells & whistles in a car but what I really want is reliability. If they dare, proton should give 5 years unlimited warranty for better peace of mind.
My wishlist..at least to add on these features by my priority…
1. ESP
2. 6 Airbags
3. Cruise control
4. Reverse camera
5. Keyless Entry
6. Head unit Bluetooth connectivity
7. EPS
8. Sun Roof
Proton will be back in my garage as my 2nd car if it comes with most (if not all) of these features…hopefully they will price it right for a Proton
1.ESP = TBC
2.6 AIRBAG = i heard it only 4 but some said 6
3.Cruise control = sure have
4.Reverse camera = premium ver. only
5.Keyless entry = sure have with push start button
6.Head unit = BOSCH make for p1
7.EPS = TBC
8.sUN roof = not available for the first batch…FL maybe…
again…it comes as no surprise…another copycat and this round they want to have City look at the front…
The designers please take out Malay centric design from Proton cars, people are more educated than 10 years ago and prefer a more sporty & European look.
We need to go international to grow BIG !
Which part of the car is “Malay centric”?
The name “Tuah” for the concept?
I just came back from singapore and saw the new elantra up-close there. Proton gonna have another tough competitor from Hyundai this year..
Told you its a great car to have :) Did you visit the Hyundai showroom to find out more?
http://worldwide.hyundai.com/e_brochure/_new/HMC%20MD%20Catalog%20GL%20_1111.pdf
by the way, what’s the price tag like? Waja range price is my preference and I need a 2nd car this year..
Yes Paul, having ESP will definitely put this car above its competitors. Feature wise, what being mentioned is really superb. I also think LED DRL is also a must for this car. Judging from the pic, the possibility is not remote. Personally I think the car uses practically a new engine despite using old campro name. Two factors contributed to this, a turbo and euro 5 compliance. So I sincerely believe they changed a lots of components to suit both. Its not easy to simply bolt-on a turbo kit and expect it perform with reduced CO2 emission.
Perhaps in my opinion, the only downside is when Proton is not bold enough to use the concept car’s rear lamp/bonnet in production. But still it will be worth the wait….
let see how much they have improve on the back seat design.
Its spec seems great. Design is ok for me. It is so different compare to its other models.
As for the car name, please, Proton, also name it differently haha… name it sound nicely more like international car lolx.
Hopefully the car name is not ended with an “A’ again.
I’ve been noticed all the Proton car names, don’t know is it just coincidence or they intentionally to name it that way… lolx
Start with
Sag”A”,
Iswar”A”
Wir”A”
Satri”A”
Putr”A”
Tiar”A”
Juar”A”
Aren”A”
Perdan”A”
Waj”A”
Person”A”
Exor”A”
Inspir”A”
except Gen-2, Savvy and Neo. And dont tell me the final name is Tuah here and selling to international change to other name again lolx….
By the way I like the name, Neo. hehe.. :)
Tu”A”
Anyway, it sounds cool for those not familiar with BM
Too-A
Two-A (AA)
nanti orang sebut double A (dah macam bateri plak)
huahahauauau
HahahA?
Well the specs looks pretty up to date with the Koreans and Europeans….except there’s no mention of airbags… Oh will Potong reserve dual airbags for top of the line model again??! How to be world class when you don’t give a damn on the lives of your customers.
Anyway, Potong crash safety has always been marginal when it is tested overseas. The old Waja fairly poorly in Euro NCAP… got ard 2 stars if I rem correctly. Putting 6 airbags is not going to make much of a difference if the structure collapses on itself even at low speed bumps. :(
In any case, all these features are nothing if Potong continues to offer sloppily build cars.. and that reliabilty remains a big issue.
Auto wipers, push button start, DRL etc won’t save your brand new Potong from breaking down on a busy highway.. Neither will these parts save the car from falling apart even with just normal usage.
Really pathetic when people resort to name calling like this. Grow up la, dude. When you call Proton “Potong”, it makes you look stupid, not them.
one of the reason waja scored low in euro ncap is that upon an offset frontal crash test, the front door cannot be opened. this will slows down rescuers and ppl may die losing so much blood and worst if the car caught fire.. the driver maybe burnt alive.
oh, I think when Tun drives the car, it must be the high spec, right? So the above is the H-Line/ spec I suppose..
highest spec should be lower than inspira 1.8 manual. i doubt it will even reach 70k.
expecting around 58k-65k.
baru baca specs tapi komen macam dah pernah pakai kereta nih ampat bulan…
itu pun keunikan bebudak Malaysia kan…
huhuhu
Kalau dah nama proton, tetap proton…takan bleh jadi Merc plak…dorang komen tu pasal dah terkena la
kisah lama masakan berulang selalu…
A retuned version of CFE preferred. BOLD’s CFE was meant for ferrying numbers of peoples & things.. and a 6-speed manual version is on my wishlist (heck… 5-speed paired to the CFE unit will do)
proton should improve their service, i just bought inspira 2.0, 6 months ago.. last 2 month my car got prob, a very loud knocking sound frm the engine & bad vibration . call the service center they said will come at 8pm, they show up at 10pm after 4-5 follow up call..the so call mechanic check the car & actually nothing they can do or advise except “u need to go to service center” and the best part they asking me to pay RM38 hell no..i’m not paying u a single cent.. and they remind me to stop call them if i dont want to pay… stupid mechanic!
go to service center…. they still dont tell me why the prob is happening.. after a while the sound gone… common la protong…my car not even 6 month when i have dat prob… please do something.. i try to support you but u dont support us…
like najib say u help me i help u ma… cammon dammit..mfasshole
Proton do free on-site service now?
That’s interesting…. :mrgreen:
the breakdown assist team.
wau…proton suddendly insert so many “high Tech” feature on this “car” how much they going to sell..? 120K..??? or less then 70K..? secondly…do they know how to maintain their new technology…….???
A simple power window proton use so many years to solve it….may be this car launce for after 5 year i only will go to buy if the car was below 60K…
proton? no thanks!
i always have pricing ques when i look at the spec. if this car really sold for 75k-80k and interest around 3%++. will ppl really buy it because there are a lot of new and 2 or 3 yrs 2nd car around that range. just be truthful and ask yourself. base on last exp, proton really lost a lot of customer especially during gen2 and waja time due to so many defects where proton cant fix and simply give ignorance.i remember read somewhere from paper malaysian nowadays really work too hard to opt for more luxury life. a car brand is more important rather than last time just to travel from A to B. be it the statistic real or not, everyday i can see more than 20 bmw, merc, alphard, estima, pug, and wv on the road :). good luck proton.
I believe it would incorporate ESP / VSC, perhaps Tun just forgot to mention it. I remember snapshots of a Proton test mule a year back in a Scandinavian country doing a snow test for the said technology. This might be the awesome time for the inclusion of ESP in P3-21A.
And I want more than 2 airbags please.
forget bout the features… will the car last and durable??? dont wanna see this car end up by the road side with the bonnet open… better if they provide us durability quality guarantee rather than the fancy features…
fancy features are useless if the car cant last for long or having problems and unnecessary squeaking noises, even if the driver takes good care of it…
well, im looking for my 1st car. if this car is awesome (from test drive review), this awesome car will be my 1st car.
hopefully the price is reasonable price.
its a good start i guess, introducing turbo charged engines. i dont really mind much bout d looks, most of turbo buyers will definitely change it looks with skirts, new paints , fiber bumpers but on d brightside.. a turbo charged engine, tiptronic gears promises good enhancements for proton in d future!
these are the elements to start buildIng a true sports car, later yEars we might have rear wheel trannies, limited slip differentials and many more extra features to build an awesome super car.
Rubbish. All those specs put into something that wont last.just like the koreans. Forte just 2 years old but looks like a5 year old car now
really? then dugong vios must look like a 20 year old junk at the very least!
more spec is always better than no spec….especially safety spec. so what if it cost more to replace these stuff after 5-6 yrs? unless you don’t value your life?
New forte next year….
No drive by wire; so will ESP still be effective?
how about automatic right/left signal when car change lane, since malaysians never use the signal manually.
how about a robotic hand that will automatically slap the driver’s face whenever he/she forgot to use the turn indicator?
or the engine dies off when make a turn without signal.
that is innovative right?
is good that proton finally make a car that people want . anyway turbo is a potential BMW beater ….on…how many you Balik Masuk Workshop. According to my friend the engine was similar to new exora and the heat is phenomenal..
Putting a turbo into the Campro and its a BMW beater??! Bro I’m on the verge of puking my lunch la.. LOL :D
The CFE perf in the Exora is nothing to shout about. The super duper turbocharger may be a LPT, but the performance leaves much to be desired… 138hp only after so much huha? And Potong has to zap away whatever performance the CFE has left with that whizzy CVT box…
Try keeping up with FD1 R18A, VW’s various 1.4L TFSI, Hyundai’s 1.6L GDI Turbo first before claiming it to be a BMW beater la… You are just making yourself looked bad. :LOL
Hyundai offers 201hp and 250NM from the 1.6L GDI Turbo, and it’s hooked up to a 6 speed DSG or a 6MT. And Hyundai offer 10 yr warranty on the drivetrain in North America.
Still think the CFE a BMW beater?
Don’t be so naive la. You can push the engine high but the price will also be high. Hyundai put this 200hp in a higher end sports car like the veloster which the price will be high also. How much it cost to buy a 300hp evo here? Over 300K…Anyway I m more impress with Mazda 1.3 Renesis engine that produces 238hp.
Sorry bro, the Veloster Turbo costs just a few thousand $$ more than the reg Veloster.
The Veloster will be here in SG by the end of Feb. Both the base 132hp Gamma 1.6L and the top of the line 201hp Gamma GDI Turbo Veloster will be available here :) Yey, we finally got the famed Hyundai GDI engines in Singapore!! :D
Base Veloster will sell for $115k (no thanks to COE costing more than the car itself :( ), the Turbo Veloster will cost about $120k. Just $5000 difference only.
Both will come with a 6 speed DSG and 7 airbags. Will update you guys more when the cars are here
Rotary engines have very poor torque o/p bro. And it drinks fuel like there’s no tomorrow. Rotary engines were thought to be more efficent than conventional 4 stroke piston engines back then… but modern engine tech has virtually catch up already and today 4 cyln engines can be as efficent while offering big torque o/p and goof fuel economy
Rotary engines burns engine oil too. It can’t use 0W-20 nor 0W-30 oil for it will burn the engine oil stock in less than 3 days of usage
cfe turbo is small turbine only, focused on boosting low rpm torque. if u want really high hp figure, u have to sacrifice low rpm torque, due to big ass heavy ass trbine. u think evo engine ringan from the start?
noobs always be extra amazed with hp figure… wahahahaha.. which is shit useless for daily car, how mny time u press over 5k rpm la?
look at torque figure much better maa than most Japs and Koreans. thats the main point of this CFE.
Tengku Mahaleel, is that you? Still not done with your “Asia’s answer to BMW” joke yet?
Good to hear it will equips with ABS, EBD and BA (BA….. finally) plus ESP!!!
– 6 airbags for top end variant….. will be coolest! any “OFF” function for passenger
side?
– Multi info panel and meter please use blue light instead of red!!!
– R3 variant soon… please :)
– head lamp and grill should be more creative design with WOW detailing at least
maintain the Tuah concept!!!
– polished sport rim like Tuah concept
– shark fin antenna like Tuah concept
– quieter engine and air con noise
– high quality chrome door handle (exterior), interior for door open handle, some
interior parts so that it will look more premium
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Bro you’re asking too much from Potong la.. LOL…
If you want all these, you need to either go Korean or European.. or at least high end Japs cars eg Mazda 3 2L or the pre-gone-case Honda era eg the FD Civic.
I’m not asking too much as most I asked for already on the concept.
i want turbo with manual gearbox or dsg gear box!
cruel !!
PIKACHU !!
well the spec is good enough plus airbags…but the front looks seems to be quite plain as compared to the concept. The front grill lost it refinement look and not that smart looking as it should be…i don’t see it as a strong future design direction of proton cars…
Anyway, will wait to see it in flesh first for further comment..
As usual, please do not rush in buying the new Proton Cars. I guess early model will always be the testbed for mid-life model update. In other word, the worst of the batches will come from the early batch.
If I got the money, I’ll buy the car in 2/3 years time.
Yea, do not buy early model because it will be the testbed and prone to have problems.
Also do not buy mid-life model because it will be the time where Proton remove goodies given in earlier badges – eg. rear disc brakes in previous models.
Lastly, at the end of the product life cycle also don’t buy. That model probably already more than 10 yrs old in the market.
reserve for comment. come back once the car is out for my feedback
asalamualaikum,is everybody that give comment in here is ever read automotive magazine from europe?,do you all aware the writer that test drive proton car always write the car is this and the car is that etc…(the poor performance and poor quality,poor ergonomics)proton wants to sell this car globally?,please invite them to test the car,to state what is should and whats not .and proton can refine the problem arise.not just syok sendiri jaguh kampung statement,
Yea.. Global car indeed!!
Proton targets 98% selling in Malaysia, another 2% selling as Taxi’s at the rest of the world..
I hope the Start button is very very reliable, if not getting the vehicle to the service center to fix it or anything else would be utmost difficult.
I still remember picking up my new Putra from the dealer with the aircon button not functioning properly. Of course that was back in 1997, hope Proton has come to its senses.
Putra…
you must be notty racer boy…
(err… you still have that car?)
wanted to ask the same question…hehe
“Automatic Wiper Sensors
Automatic Headlamp Sensors”
wow…. equally bmw!
btw, wat is “Impact sensing door lock”?? do the doors automatically lock after u drive? i usually panaskan enjin 1st while inspecting car’s exterior.. afraid im gonna get locked outside the car
those automatic features were learnt by proton after they got the lancer as the base for inspira.
impact sensing door locks i believe is doors will unlock itself upon impact, making it easier for rescue workers.
u r funny alldisc,lesson learn from lancer as inspira based :-). This feature n many actually is in BCM, already implemented in exora in 2009, actually more than 30 functions for safety n comfort. Thats why i said, many people talk here n there, but dont really know what they drive, or what is in prtn car. Its not their fault,but prtn marketing is too weak, but,nevertheless, if they make it, malaysian never bother to read about it coz it is prtn rite,unless it is toyota n etc.
So, they are many good things inside prtn cars, but mostly of us seek the negative one. Thats all.
It should be impact sensing door unlock… :) in the event of crash and airbag is deployed, all doors automatically unlocked, so that it is easier to rescue the crash victim.
The other important system should be speed sensing door lock, of which doors are automatically locked when car starts moving at 20km/h or 40km/h etc.
Common safety features for cars nowadays e.g Hyundai and KIA… its a good move that Proton Tuah to have both.
The sale of Proton cars around the world with the exception of Malaysia is very miserable. Proton is just another ‘Malay’ project which has failed. I give Proton another 25 years and they still will not be able to convince overseas car buyers that Proton makes a good product. Proton dulu, kini dan selamanya tak akan berupaya bersaing di pasaran antarabangsa..
r u 100% sure Proton is a 100% ‘Malay’ project? or r u simply being racist?
he’s just being racist, not that its fully his fault. he’s a product of 1Malaysia – ever conscious of people’s color.
i’m willing to give proton another 10-15 years to come up with competitively priced cars that commensurate with our income levels (everybody can settle with 3-year loan as opposed to 9, just like developed nations)
if proton fails, i’ll campaign for vincent ang as our Prime Minister.
10-15 years? r u crazy?
How many percent of Proron is Malay? 95% at the very least. When a Peruvian headed Nissan,the car company was still a Japanese company because 99% of Nissan is Japanese. Contractors and sub-contractors ARE NOT part of Proton as a corp[orate entity. In what way then is Proton NOT Malay? To be more specific, Proton is a failure of the ‘Ketuanan’ heroes who can only be Jaguhs in the Malaysian Kampungs. Keep the non-Malays out of your ‘Ketuanan’; failure..
Where did you quote that from? Or do you simply create racist numbers without even checking the facts? Pathetic racist guy. FYI, Proton got many non-Malays and even Mat Sallehs holding the top positions. It is you who are a big failure because you only know playing racism to bash a carmaker consisting your very own countrymen.
are you sure on what you talking about? or you are one of the poor racist guy?
VA
Go and check your facts & figures, mate. Your name & your comment does not tally
Facts.
1. Proton at least 95% Malay in composition.
2. Has never had an impact in ANY major car market.
Therefore, Proton IS a Malay ‘Ketuanan’ failure
The non-Malays do not wish to be part of the Mamaks ‘Ketuanan’ failure.
Those are just your racist opinions only, not facts. Facts sound neither racist nor biased.
just left this guy alone. don’t bother him.. i believe he should be on another blog, not this one. cheers!!!
You mean to tell me Proton has a good representation of the Malaysian ethnic makeup in their staff? Go to any Proton plant and what do you see. 95% Malay running the plant. This is a fact.
Name one major car market in which Proton has made an impact in terms of sales volume and technological prowess after being in existence for a quarter of a century. None, zero, zilch. Another fact.
Proton openly discriminates against non-Malays in their hiring practices and yet I am the racist. Proton started with tax money some of which comes from non-Malays then turns around and play their ‘Ketuanan’ bullshit by discriminating against the non-Malays in their hiring practices and yet a non-Malay who complains against Proton’s inability to compete is a racist. Take your ‘Ketuanan’ rubbish and shove it up your Mamak hero.
You only see what’s going on in the factory alone. And which clause inside Proton employees’ T&C that EXPLICITLY states that ONLY MALAYS can work in Proton…? That’s bloody racist, you big bastard…!!! Just because you see a lot of Malays in Proton then you simply assume that Proton is biased even though it is you who are actually biased. Just because of the demographics inside Proton, you simply accuse it as racist and biased, even though it is you who are totally racist. And you even brought the Ketuanan issue which doesn’t make sense at all. What the fuck does the so-called Ketuanan has to do with automotive industry?
If you want to talk facts, then quote where did you take them and don’t simply put in those fucking racism shit here. You’re not only insulting Malays but also Indians as well, assuming that all Mamaks are bad guys and yet you still eat at mamak stalls. If you want to talk racism, then never call yourself a Malaysian. Full stop.
proton’s design nice, ride n handling great, most important things is reliability. coz some proton hv no problem at all, but some hv a lot of problems. for me, i got the ‘no problem at all saga fl’, nasib baik for me, but for others? hope this car is a good global car that will totally change proton image for good.
proton tuah concept looks more elegance than this.. head lamp not same
Turbo’s are in trend now… Ford Ecoboost, VW’s TSI …. Proton also turbo oredi!!!!
Dunno Proton’s turbo will leak oil after few months not?
Wow this car sure generates a lot of interest & discussion judging from the numbers of comments generated.
Vincent Ang .You are the most bloodyfool racist in the world. Go to hell.
Ajaw. You are the most bloodyfool racist in the world. Go to hell.
anyone remember when Proton Waja was launched?? It was being touted as the BMW 3 Series of Malaysia. Ha ha ha ha…
Why la ramai sangat mintak manual box? Dulu2 kot la auto kurang power, lagging response time, delayed gear drop, gear hunting, etc. Nowadays it much better than manual. Fast response, intelligent gear selection, 5-speed planetary, 7-speed DSG, macam2 lagi. Try own one modern auto, then y ou’ll know how crappy was the manual car . I’m not talking about specialty driving ok?
Kenapa pro photographer use A/S/M (Aperture,Shutter,Manual) mode while the camera already has Auto mode?
when they put something, people complains…not put it also people complains…this car is made by human not God…sure there is good or not…dont care if you buy ferrari,bugati or viva,myvi too….even human also not all perfect….
Proton, you again got the wrong person like TDM to test your cars. TDM ears aren’t that perfect anymore… sorry to be blunt!
Proton, you failed to notice that a good car is not only designed a fuel efficient car but also achieved low cabin noise as well. Low RPM driving style is also key to comfortable ride.
Before getting reviewers to test drive your new models, Proton should have placed the P3-21A car and measure the noise level inside the cabin in a wind tunnel at 60km/h, 80km/h, 120km/h and 150km/h and made comparison of other quiet cars in the market.
To pass the test of cabin quietness, the cabin noise inside the P3-21A2011 should be below 25 sones, a unit of perceived loudness (very subjective to individual judgment). In comparison with the Honda Fit and Toyota Prius, both of these cars received a 27.6 and 26.2, respectively.
Proton engineers may have already work on rigid structure of P3-21A that helps prevent rattles. It helps to do more. Next what is needed is to harmonize with a revised chassis, tire tuning and the automatic transmission.
Proton engineers can help reduce the cabin noise in P3-21A by:
• Acoustic-laminated windshield, reducing wind noise
• Wind tunnel-optimized side-view mirrors, reducing wind noise
• Stiffened door modules, reducing the potential for rattles
• Rear-mounted roof antenna for less wind noise and improved aerodynamics
• Wind noise-optimized grille
• Additional sound-absorbent material throughout the cabin for a quiet interior
• Revised door seals for reduced wind noise
* Applying self-adhesive constrained-layer vibration-damping sheet to reduce rain noise
To further achieve a quieter car cabin, Proton engineers need to test and built a more stable car platform with high-strength steel. A quiet transmission also helps.
P1 engineers will be busy Google-ing after reading your comments and i’m afraid it will delay the launching
Agreed with makeitmine,
TDM can blogs how good this new Proton going to be lah..
Since this model is going for the world market…
why not send a unit to Jeremy Clarkson for review?
Agreed. Maybe Jeremy Clarkson is just a typical Top Gear host, but he has a degree in engineering.
I thought persona have been known for its good NVH and was said to be comparable to the like of Civic and Altis from car review. Not really sure about this new car.
That is total BS my friend. Who ran that review? Potong itself?
Its a total joke to claim that the Gen2 NVH is comparable to FD or even the G10 Altis.. I own a 2009 FD1 and I’ve sat in a Persona before.. The Persona was a 2010 model and the dash rattles like a 10 yr old beater.. Engine noise is horrible and ambient sound insulation is next to non existent. Mind you this is the so called high end Persona model sold in SG, I can’t imagine how the base Persona behaves…
How many times did you ever sit in a Persona? One time only and then simply claim all Persona NVH like shit? My own housemate owns an M-line Persona (also 2010 model) and yet the ride is quiet and nothing vibrates here and there. Plus, it is even quieter than my lil bro’s Honda City which is quiet on standstill but becomes a screamer on the highways.
how do u know NVH will suck in this one? confirm 100% ka? mane keluar lagi bro, x payah la nak pro active terlebih poyo..
shud be good getting layman comment rather than engineers who looks too detail on such low cost cars…paying nuts you got monkey…thats what you get…
Good information, I think maybe you are an experienced automotive engineer. Well actually Persona is already known for its good NVH which is comparable even to Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla Altis, so we can expect better NVH here. For me, the only factor that compromises Proton’s NVH is the quite noisy Campro engine, which is then covered by the soundproofing. Nevertheless, if your ideas can be implemented then we can expect even better NVH.
gud job proton. my only concern abt proton cars is the paint job. donno why it look dull compared to honda, toyota or even perodua.
Proton should offer free defensive driving program when selling tis yellow turbo or perhaps RTD should raise 110kmh speed limit. P
raising the 110KMH limit is only encourage people to die faster in high speed accident. Malaysia driver altitude is not ready for such a speed. A federal 80KMH also causes a lots of road accidents that involve casualties. Please forget about raising speed limit if the driver drive like monkey on the road.
I second that for ESP. It should be standard equipped, rather than premium. Nonetheless, will be a very good start to be included in the premium.
4 airbags should be the minimum for all models.
Looking forward to the launch. It is a very handsome looking car, with great tech.
Wonder how it will fare in the upcoming ANCAP.
Paul,
I think you have a competing blogger now… :)
he will milk the rakyat for his future generation until the end of world…from st miguel to proton to,,,,,i mean the payback will be someday in the history book for sure 100 years down the road..
Buruk..seriously. Mesti kurang laku. Global? Where in earth people gonna buy car like that? I own proton before, and i know this crap, will always be crap. For p1 blind supporters, open your eyes and look where your P1 now? Jaguh kampung from the start and will die in this kampung…. and that Tun know nothing about cars, dia taip semula flyer yg p1 bagi sama dia je. This is typical run by malay business. By the way, i’m malay. And i’m very agree with VA.
Tun knows nothing about cars???? You better reserved your comments thou.. I myself don’t really like him but I don’t blindly condemed him. Tun is one of the knowned Fast reader and can memorised lots of things. His passion about cars is incomparable. You should checked his car collection to know that (given by car manuftr around the world). Proton is one of his idea.
dont u ever listen to people saying u cant do it simply bcause they CANT do it, obviously
Since the inception of potong, Dr Mamak was the culprit who single handedly screwed up the entire auto inds in bolehland. Now that potong is no longer state owned, do they dare to compete on a level playing field? i think not.
front light too common aka forte, city.. can it be designed differently with smaller grill…then much better looks than 2 above. Hope the P1 priced it right below 60k for fullspec.
Once a crap always be a crap
Otherwise finance banks dare to revise car loan interest rates as same as Toyota loan rates
It shows just how crap Protongkat is in the eyes of bank finance sector and no amount of praise review gonna change that
Well next let Top Gear, Autocar etc. to give honest unbiased truthful review no matter how good or bad it is
Last time they said Gen2 steering plastic as hard as batu granite surface (insert your laugh here) and suggest Protongkat better walk away from UK market
Dr Mamak review is not review at all, all he said shows same frustration toward local buyers that rejected Protongkat
Come on lah why should we pay wasting money for overpriced crap?
It’s enough after 25 years and RM10 billion sales wasted by Malaysian for Protongkat charity
Because of Protongkat, many average car buyers losing economic disposal income wasted instead of buying better house or better college for their kids education
It’s all because many all being fooled and duped into this Protongkat Charity Sales, NAP, false patriotic crap Fairy Tales Dongeng etc.
Expect us to continue Charity Amal Jariah waste our money for Protongkat again? WHAT A JOKE!
To become Global Car? Within 3 years global domination? He he he sounds like another myth Hang Tuah the pendekar from China ancestor datuk to Bruce Lee and Jacky chan lah
Well it just another proven theory of Dilbert :
“How do you sell a bad product?”
“Sell it to stupid people!”
Very happy to see Dilbert Theory proven time and again and again BWA HA HA HA HA HE HE HI HI HO HO HO HU HU HA HA HA
All these “Automatic Wiper Sensors, Automatic Headlamp Sensors, etc” means lots of electronic gadgets. I still remember my last proton wira, all the gadgets e.g. cruise control, rear blind, etc kaput after 3 months.
I will not trust any gadgets from proton again.
Good luck to all the beta testers.
That one is from which age, the Mahaleel era aka the Dark Age of Proton… now is DSZ era… you’re so outdated like a frog under the coconut shell.
its back to mahaleel era pretty sooon :))) did u read the news??
Of course everybody knows la bro. Maybe we can change all this by organising a peaceful protest rally outside Proton COE at Kesas Highway, with Proton cars. At that time, we demand DRB-HICOM and the board of directors to retain DSZ and kick Mahaleel out of Proton, or else we refuse to use Proton anymore. We’ll see whether those head honchos will change their shitty minds by retaining DSZ and dismissing Mahaleel or they simply deploy the cops to arrest Proton car owners during the protest and throw them to jail.
“Polis kata jangan…!!!” :D
LOL lots of potong cybertroopers here …..
It may be different person at the helm but its the same old owners, same old structure and in other words …. same old shite.
proton with the same problem again
nampak nya semakin ramai yg sakit hati kat forum nie…dengki tengok kereta Proton dah ada spec tinggi dari kereta mereka yg berharga ratusan ribu atau kereta kapcai 1.5 japs . Itulah beli kerana brand…tapi empty mcm tin kosong..bulan2 bayar ikut perut..spec mcm saga BLM jer…
Saga BLM = Nice looking car
P321a = Nice looking car
Vios = mcm dugong
Forte = Nice looking car
Inspira = Nice looking car
Lancer GT = mcm hidung babi
City baru = mcm kotak kotak kemek
City lama = mcm ikan buntal
Savvy = mcm kura kura
Myvi lama = mcm katak
Myvi baru = nice looking car
Lation = mcm peti ais
Juara = mcm peti ais ikan
cruze = sedih rupenye
lvina= nice looking car
exora = gemok
avanza baru = kemek kemek rupe kesian
avanza lama = boleh la tahan rupenye
Itulah sbhgn pandangan hambo nie….tak de kene mengena hidup atau yg mati…
penjilat proton..hahahaha
Pergi cium Proton kesayangankau setiap harilah. Jangan kutuk kereta bukan Proton walau pun kau adalah penyokong setia Proton. Setiap orang berhak membeli kereta kegemarannya tetapi siapa yang bagi hak kepada kau untuk mengutuk kereta jenama bukan Proton??
It a pleasure to see development from Proton to satisfied local market demand and for the the survival of Proton it need to be global market player. Not there yet.. work smart for it.
May launch because they read a lot of -ve comments in Paul’s hahahaha… well, you cant do right in 3 months… wanna see whether its a Tuah ‘Luck’ or Tak Bertuah ‘Bad Luck’
Proton, if your vendors cannot deliver your ideas; get rid of them. I’m sure there are lots of others that can deliver designs…
Automotive markets are now steep; rather than sending cybertroopers why not you call all the good men and women out there and asks their opinion, by the end of the day the one who buys your car are not your designers or vendors but mere non-profit-tight-pocket people of Malaysia…
The MD heared ur opinion, they’ve sacked more than 20 problematic vendors to date. They’re eyeing on others now.
No wonder they differ the date to May.
Seriously, what’s the fuzz with Protong’s blind supporters suddenly jump out from their seats masturbatin* out of climax for nothing just because an ex-premier went all out to support his “pet” project?
Have you guys ever bother went to his “Chedet” to read his blog?
He have ADMITTED something really-really disturbing that should be a good smack-right-on-the-face for the blind supporters.
I quote from his blog;
“I stopped using Proton cars after I stepped down. I wanted to enjoy the superior quality of the high-end European and Japanese cars.”
The rest are self explanatory.
Or you guys are still blind?
LOL… :D
BE honest in practical experience and techically ,for most of us . scrape unnessary sensors like auto wiper, auto light and other luxury gargets in the basic and stardard type. This will greatly reduce the price and make affordable to many., but retain the quality.
Choice of transmission ; Manual or auto. Personnel I prefer Manual, reasons more advantages and skill drivers will agree with me . So, please include Manual choice.
Good luck to all lab mice.let them kena 1st.
Hei squall_shinoda says:
9/2/2012 at 3:38 pm.
Tell me how many percent of Proton staff is non-Malay. As for your mamak hero. This is another fact. He is a mamak and he is only a ‘Ketuanan’ hero. Nowhere did I say I hate all mamaks .That is the problem with you ‘Ketuanan’ heroes. Each time a non-Malay ask for fair treatment he is a racist. If I am to consider the ‘Ketuanan heroes as one of MY countrymen then I also have the right to expect fair treatment from them. That few miserable Whiteys and non-Malays does not detract from the fact that Proton is a company which started using public tax money but until today is at least 95% Malay in composition while the Malays according to a UMN report only makes up 51% of the Malaysian population. Proton failure after 25 years to make an impact in the major automobile market is indeed a Malay failure. You either fail or succeed in the real world. Proton is simply a Malay failure kept alive by a delusional mamak hero.
How can you say that what you’ve said is a fact when you didn’t even quote where did you get the source. If you simply say “go to Proton factory and see for yourself” then it’s NOT A FACT AT ALL. It’s totally your very own opinion that anyone can challenge because you don’t have concrete source to back you up. Even a 4-year-old kid can say like that. You never take into account those working behind the scenes like the admin staff, HR, PR etc. And you never take into account those working in Proton’s subsidiaries worldwide as well.
I also don’t know the exact figure about the percentage of Malays in Proton, so I can only say “a majority of Proton workers are Malays” and not putting numbers because there’s no source to back me up. So if you want to put numbers, check your facts and get your sources to back you up or else you’re totally fucked up.
Secondly, you’re still with your racist statements. You said that you “never said that you hate all mamaks”, and yet you label Mahathir as “mamak hero” as if all mamaks are bad guys. That’s fucking contradicting. It’s fine if you hate him, but not at the extent of insulting his race or even mentioning the race at all. I also disagree with his opinions regarding Malaysian automotive industry, but I never go as far as insulting his race like what you always do. You asked for the so-called “fair treatment” but your actions are unfair as well. If a national company fails, then you simply stereotype that as “a Malay failure”. In 1990s and early 2000s, the Perwaja Steel experienced a downfall due to corruption, money misusage and fraud by its chairman at that time, Eric Chia, and yet nobody said that it was a “Chinese failure”. Now that is a fact. Do you really have balls to say that as well? So stop fucking up with those racial shit or else get your dumb asses out from Malaysia.
Dear Vincent Ang,
I can feel your anger, but labelling the entire Malay clan supporting “ketuanan” is a bit farfetched from reality. The facts are every Malaysian is suffering from one-sided automotive car policy. Everybody regardless of their race and religion deserves better cars which gives real value to their hard-earned Ringgit.
first batch cars from proton sure standed habis but still sell like hot cake..
LAter batch, the got better goodies.
Example? Just like Evora. Now the new evora got turbo, the older version Evora price drop like hell….Sure tak laku edi
Please get your fact right. EVora (Lotus) or EXora (P1)?
duhh…. why la use CVT….. useless…. even Mecedes-Benz stops using CVT in their latest B Class… CVT is not for accelerator pedal happy person….. go for double clutch… or just conventional auto tranny….
During the development stage, Proton’s powertrain department had already listed down some newer transmission technologies to replace the outdated 4-speed auto gearbox by Mitsubishi. The list included a 5-speed conventional auto, double clutch transmission, and CVT of course. Then they tested those gearboxes and studied for their viability, performance and fuel economy on the long run. Ultimately, Proton chose the CVT in favour for its efficiency, simplicity and cost.
In Merc case, they stopped using CVT in favour of conventional auto gearbox because they themselves have developed auto gearboxes that are light and compact enough to be put inside the B-class. Even though Merc used to use CVT, I don’t think they have ever developed CVTs but rather conventional auto gearbox. Because their CVT application is very limited, then most probably Merc buys the CVT from other companies.
Merc A class (W169) and B class (W245) transmission code name is 722.8 (CVT) was fully developed by them. The only current transmission Merc buys from others is the double clutch gearbox fitted in SLS AMG. I’ve been working with merc CVT’s tranny for quite a while.. CVT is good for a city drive.. but not for a long distance drive where u have hill climbing road, overtaking etc etc…
Proton has been selling craps to us for three decades and you think they are willing to sacrifice their warm beds for garden benches this time round? No way, Jose.
What a joke ! This is another pathetic effort by Proton.
Always over promise and under deliver.
After all the hoopla its still a lame Proton.
Proton is due for a major rebranding & revamp starting from the top!!
Our dear Tun should have step down much earlier, perhaps 25 years earlier, then he can try out the good quality of European and Japenese cars and ask Proton to come up with Tuah-the-Proton-savior, that would would save us all Malaysian from 3 decades of disappointment.
Having said that, what is stopping Tun from trying out European and Japenese cars when he was in his terms– His EGO
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Go watch Top Gear S.18 Ep.2.. Seem similar. I can assure you Jeremy will give you same comment to Tuah.
plssss remove the front grill and do something about that headlights………….
very2 not futuristic…….like an old car…..
Is this the final face of Tuah / Espire?
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