Proton Exora: the MPV Proton will launch!
Proton has announced the name for the new Proton MPV – the Proton Exora! The Exora is based on the name of the Ixora flower, with the tagline “Keriangan Keluarga”. The name and tagline were picked by the Name The Proton MPV competition grand prize winner Norsholihan Bt Abdul Eanich, who will get to drive and own the 7-seater people mover she helped name once it is launched in April.
The company also revealed that the Proton Exora MPV will be priced at under RM 80,000 and will be available in 5 colours – Genetic Silver, Tranquility Black, Blue Haze, Pyrite Brown and Gaia Blue. In terms of safety, all variants will have at least 2 SRS airbags as standard, but this will be as far as it will go in terms of total airbag count. The Proton Exora will be built in the Shah Alam plant. Cost of development was slightly over RM 450 million.
Proton will produce between 3,000 to 3,500 units of the Proton Exora a month initially. After the local launch in April, the MPV will be swiftly exported to markets such as Thailand and Indonesia by July. We’ll see how the new Exora fares in an open market up with our friends up north against their favorite Toyota MPVs.
For more, please read some past coverage on the Proton Exora to find out more about the new MPV, expected to be powered by the Campro CPS engine. Bookings will be open at a fee of RM1,000 from this Saturday (21st Feb 2009) onwards.
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February 17, 2009 @ 10:22 am
Good name.
February 17, 2009 @ 10:28 am
Hmm, isnt the rules say no flora and fauna names?
February 17, 2009 @ 10:30 am
why not the name I proposed “Proton Adilan”
February 17, 2009 @ 10:30 am
The name is good but the price is not worth…
Its a proton the price should now tht much…
many will still go for Avanza as is a more reliable car then porton…
February 17, 2009 @ 10:34 am
What, no white? Then spyshot was of what?
February 17, 2009 @ 10:34 am
Contest entry submissions must be in either Bahasa Malaysia or English only and must:-
- not consist of any form of the animal kingdom, or vegetation;
February 17, 2009 @ 10:35 am
Ah, maybe there is exception (or simply Proton forgot the rules it imposed?). Anyway, Exora is quite ‘wow’ name…
February 17, 2009 @ 10:38 am
What the different
EXORA and EZORA……….
February 17, 2009 @ 10:46 am
aiya very common name…i think almost everybody propose this name
February 17, 2009 @ 10:46 am
Hmm, isnt the rules say no flora and fauna names?
******
If izora, maybe it is a flora, but EXORA… i dont know….
haha… somebody near proton will know about apartment named nearly to this… apartment IXORA…
February 17, 2009 @ 10:52 am
Apartment IXORA beside MMU, Melaka that is :-p
February 17, 2009 @ 10:54 am
very Lotus… starts with E, 5 letters….
February 17, 2009 @ 10:57 am
weird name
February 17, 2009 @ 10:58 am
oh my GOD.. i know who is the lucky winner
February 17, 2009 @ 10:59 am
girlish name
February 17, 2009 @ 11:00 am
hmm.. also got another apartment with the same name eh?
could be the winner is the resident of any of the two places… huhu..
maybe, after this, some construction company wants to sue proton for using the similar sound name…
February 17, 2009 @ 11:01 am
congrate to Norsholihan Bt Abdul Eanich….
hahaha… u watched “Izora” then u give the name after she….
so, i can book 1 now…
February 17, 2009 @ 11:05 am
exora, sounds good…
February 17, 2009 @ 11:09 am
congrate to the winner.. proton exora? is it really based on ixora the flower..
February 17, 2009 @ 11:12 am
Congratulation 2 the winner!!! but mcm politik…buat syarat pertandingan tapi tak follow….:-)
February 17, 2009 @ 11:14 am
It assimilates an ex- terminology… ex-boyfriend, ex-girlfriend… ex-wife, ex-husband… and now ex-ora
February 17, 2009 @ 11:17 am
E- Elegance
X- Xtreme
O- Original design from Proton
R- Realistic
A- Attractive
i already proposed Ixora, but i dont expect it will be Exora since the word Exora cannot find in dictionary.. anyway congratz… next time we need to send all A-E-I -O-U… Axora, Exora, Oxora, Rxora, Uxora..
February 17, 2009 @ 11:18 am
On the first glimpse at the title of this entry, I almost thought it’s “Lotus Evora” LOL.
Congratulation to the winner, and hope that the full specs and pictures will be posted here before we start to make any judgements.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:19 am
does the winner is choosen if the participant works in government? bcoz i found the winner name in BPFK website. Biro Pengawalan Famaseutikal Kebangsaan (National Pharmaceutical Control Bureau).
http://www.bpfk.gov.my
and here the link when i search for Norsholihan in yahoo.
http://www.bpfk.gov.my/pdfworddownload/Flier Adulterant 3.doc
it seems that she is a Cik. still single la. so for who that still want this mpv can propose her and get married with her la. hahaha. if she say the name Exora is based on flower izora, so proton is a damn liar.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:22 am
The new Exora will be using The 1.6 CPS DOHC with max output of 127ps/6500rpm n max torque of 150Nm/4500rpm. Gross weight is 1380kg.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:29 am
wat is that exora??????????
wtf..
i tot my proton menawan wins.. holys**T
anyway nice name exora…wat the meaning paul?
February 17, 2009 @ 11:33 am
IXORA tak ada lambang MALAYSIA langsung not good I DONT LIKE IT ….
February 17, 2009 @ 11:36 am
Exora sounds Exotic n Erotic, so maybe someone can go romeo the misteri Cik n get the MPV too? Hope the Cik is as Exotic n Erotic as the Exora, otherwise, forget it romeo_misteri. Hehez.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:36 am
They want people to believe it is first Lotus MPV. Exora is a nice name and hopefully the car is as good as the name.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:36 am
the tagline is ok for the MPV i guess
February 17, 2009 @ 11:37 am
Sedap nama tu…
Aik,i thought its like Lotus name.Lotus Evora…this Exora will pronoun as what?IK-ZO-RA or EKS-ZO-RA…?
Proton salesperson said it will be priced at 69K-75K..is it correct?
February 17, 2009 @ 11:42 am
so who’s the winner for the 2nd n 3rd place?
February 17, 2009 @ 11:43 am
romeo_misteri said,
February 17, 2009 @ 11:19 am
does the winner is choosen if the participant works in government? bcoz i found the winner name in BPFK website. Biro Pengawalan Famaseutikal Kebangsaan (National Pharmaceutical Control Bureau).
http://www.bpfk.gov.my
and here the link when i search for Norsholihan in yahoo.
http://www.bpfk.gov.my/pdfworddownload/Flier Adulterant 3.doc
it seems that she is a Cik. still single la. so for who that still want this mpv can propose her and get married with her la. hahaha. if she say the name Exora is based on flower izora, so proton is a damn liar.
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biasala tu..bunga..bunga cinta…hehe.. kempen cintai bunga..
the page that u mention is in year 2005, haha.. now maybe she is Puan already, with 3 kids… Congratulation to her… for those who are not lucky one, jangan frust try it next time..
February 17, 2009 @ 11:43 am
ahhh sound same with iswara …wira …n now exora …..
February 17, 2009 @ 11:46 am
damn..i still hope mine will win..
February 17, 2009 @ 11:47 am
what ever sound it is…it is not follow the rule of contest!!
February 17, 2009 @ 11:51 am
nice lotus-ish name
February 17, 2009 @ 11:53 am
Damn, i submitted the name ‘LAMBORA’ they rejected pula….lambora such a powerful word ! exora? so funny….
February 17, 2009 @ 11:53 am
why didn’t she put rexona? hahaha. rexona sweat challenge.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:54 am
anyway, congrats proton!Exora pun Exora r..janji rock!jgn mcm tin milo sudah
February 17, 2009 @ 11:54 am
based on investment of RM450 million, P1 need to sell 5,625 units to break-even supposed d unit price is RM80k.
wondering what will b the facelift price after 5,625 units OTR later.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:56 am
exora..from scientific name of a plant – Ixora spp. Ada nama Ixora sunkist and so on dlm spesis yg sama.Ixora ni nama bunga siantan…
February 17, 2009 @ 11:57 am
Proton Apa Nama is a better name. Named after TDM famous quotes.
Apalah, mcm mcm boleh jadi di Msia. T&C kata tak boleh, tapi suka2 bagi winner.
I suspect ini semua sudah rigged. EXora was already a chosen name by proton way b4 the contest started. T&C was put in place so that no one will submit a duplicate name.
WTF!
Boycott stupid Proton Apa Nama?
February 17, 2009 @ 11:59 am
“Exora sounds Exotic n Erotic, so maybe someone can go romeo the misteri Cik n get the MPV too? Hope the Cik is as Exotic n Erotic as the Exora, otherwise, forget it romeo_misteri. Hehez.”
hahah..that a good one…once u drive it, u will feel exotic and erotic later…
February 17, 2009 @ 11:59 am
Sport Car – Lotus Evora and MPV – Proton Exora.
February 17, 2009 @ 12:07 pm
maybe proton target2 makcik2 with anak ramai for this mpv kot..that’s why the name was exora..hehehe…
February 17, 2009 @ 12:07 pm
Steven said,
February 17, 2009 @ 10:30 am
The name is good but the price is not worth…
Its a proton the price should now tht much…
many will still go for Avanza as is a more reliable car then porton…
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it’s not about others peoples, it’s about urself… if u still want go to for avanza, then go on… below RM80k for a huge mpv then it’s will sell well… The interior accessories is great especially for Hi-Line model.. i know what the interior accessories and anothers specs from my friend who’s a protonian.. Hi-Line model will impress malaysian fellas with it’s prices… but i will never revealed it’s here… i will kept it’s as secret until the MPV was officially launch… that why i’m believe it’s will sell like a hot cakes… anyway, i will book 1 for myself… i will never go for cramped avanza…
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p1basher said,
February 17, 2009 @ 10:57 am
weird name
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Then,
Toyota passo sette (satay)
Daihatsu boon rominous (boontoot)
is good meh??
haiz…..
February 17, 2009 @ 12:10 pm
wah 2nd n 3rd winner apa nama kasi tahu la. Jgn Jgn Proton Apa Nama
February 17, 2009 @ 12:12 pm
romeo_misteri, you really split my side with your rexona. LMAO. Exotical, if we feel exotic n get erotic while driving it, we’ll lose control of Exora n WHAM!!! Repot n claim insuran.
February 17, 2009 @ 12:13 pm
2nd Winner =KEMBOJA
3rd Winner =TERATAI
February 17, 2009 @ 12:20 pm
errmm exora is one of flora name…huh isnt the competition rules said NO FLORA & FAUNA NAME? hohoho
February 17, 2009 @ 12:22 pm
cess budak petronas/utp yg menang 2nd. i wonder what he suggested.
February 17, 2009 @ 12:23 pm
Soh Hai said,
February 17, 2009 @ 12:10 pm
wah 2nd n 3rd winner apa nama kasi tahu la. Jgn Jgn Proton Apa Nama
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He, He, He! <– new TDM trademark, apanama expired already…
All,
Any LEAKED interior pictures? Waa..sure Paultan blogger’s comments will be on Tv3 again…
February 17, 2009 @ 12:23 pm
I think the Cik had went into a partnership n then started production n now needs transportation for their products; that’s why she ‘won’ the Exora.
February 17, 2009 @ 12:30 pm
for peoples who didn’t get this mpv for free because did not win the contest, dont be so emo…”bukan rezeki korang tu”… try again next time.. … and congrats to ms/mrs/mdm Norsholihan Bt Abdul Eanich for becoming a contest winner…
I will open a contest for naming my kitten… the winner will get that kitten as prizes… hahaha…
February 17, 2009 @ 12:32 pm
Salam peace (~_^)v
Check the Terms & Cons:
- http://www.namakanprotonmpv.com/bm/terms_and_conditions.aspx
“Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan;”
- http://www.namakanprotonmpv.com/en/terms_and_conditions.aspx
“not consist of any form of the animal kingdom, or vegetation;”
Huh! Proton tipoo..
February 17, 2009 @ 12:36 pm
Zena (it’s female, right?).
February 17, 2009 @ 12:38 pm
really fed up when you have rules but can be broken
February 17, 2009 @ 12:39 pm
proton tipu la.
nama exora tu nama flora dan fauna..
citpodah.
February 17, 2009 @ 12:41 pm
what do u expect fro Proton anyway? Has been BS us for 20 over years!
February 17, 2009 @ 12:41 pm
Well, rules are meant to be broken.
February 17, 2009 @ 12:42 pm
Suddenly Paultan’s Automotive Forum become Emotional Forum
Waiting for EXORA Red Concept
Thophilus Chin, any idea?
February 17, 2009 @ 12:42 pm
ceh…aku letak proton sawa…xmenang pun..
February 17, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
I tought no flora and fauna name in the first place..
If can I will proposed RAFFLESIA hee…hee…hee…
P1 didn’t play by the rules that they already annouced
Tak de rezeki, nak buat macam mane..
My suggestion PERSADA or PERMATA for this new MPV
February 17, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
hahaha…. rule say no animal and flora name but still pick flora name…
seem like name other than flora are very useless and they have to break the rule.. hohohoho…
February 17, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
guys stop the sulking la , its gone now , life goes on , nobody said life is fair! lets talk about the car…
February 17, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
Dont assume this will be a good start for Proton MPV.. price if not mistaken is around RM70-80k.
You must consider the price list is around T.Avanza, N.Livina, NAZA/Kia Rondo/Citra and also Suzuki APV (RM60k).
Besides that, the rumoured Perodua MPV is heard to price between RM60-70k cheaper than proton around RM10k & coming by June or July. Proton will win ppl by cool design, space & big size, but the 1.6L engine may be a set back for a big size MPV (except they have 1.8L or turbo engine).
The original weight maybe around 1300-1400kg but you must know bigger space inside can fill in more stuff so think 1 ppl around 65kg * 7 (Max) = 455kg + luggage/shopping stuff (7 ppl stuff) add plus also around 30kg = 485+1300kg = 1785kg. So 1.6L CPS engine can move 1785kg MPV smoothly? This is just opinion, but for those ppl with kids or less stuff the weight will be less..
From my personal view, if want to buy this MPV go for manual. I got a bit feeling that Auto will be underpowered if full house… Still i will wait for Perodua MPV first before making any decision which will made me regret afterwords..
February 17, 2009 @ 12:46 pm
congratulation to the winners!
Proton Exora 1.6 CPS….
sound like ultra moden name
hope the name fair with spec and
features will introduce by proton later..
maybe proton choose that name
coz they targeted export market…
so is easily for oversea people to mention it
just my opinion.
huu,ada rasa sedih jugak tak terpilih entry
February 17, 2009 @ 12:47 pm
Tahniah Proton! New mpvProton
Tapi cakap haritu nama tumbuhan haiwan takleh tapi camner skarang ni dah nama Exora lak, takdeke nama yang melayu,malaysia skit?balik2 B.Inggeris je, lainlah kalau krete protonni kilang kat U.K, Germen ke, nikat shah alam tjg malim je..
February 17, 2009 @ 12:50 pm
People keep bringing up the Suzuki APV… fact is, nobody bought any and personally I rather be caught dead than drive one. To the people who ask can the japanese design a worse looking car than Proton Juara, there’s your answer. It’s nothing but a bread on wheels.
February 17, 2009 @ 12:54 pm
jangan sedih la sagaknight, ada orang kata “rules meant to be broken” ma
just let them do what they please la, malaysia boleh ma…….
February 17, 2009 @ 1:00 pm
I think, Proton will use the same gearbox as in satria neo CPS. different ratio for 2nd and 3rd gear… anyway lucky her, although rules has been broken… If this ever happens in some other country, Proton might have been sued for not sticking to the rules… anybody??
February 17, 2009 @ 1:00 pm
the new PROTON EXORA…tagline, ” Breaking the rules..” Ok what…
February 17, 2009 @ 1:02 pm
Sounds Perodua-ish to me. BTW I’ve compiled a video of the Exora:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ItvKWlsxwo
February 17, 2009 @ 1:05 pm
Husband – “Honey I got you the Exora for you and the kids ok..”
Wife – “Thats lovely of you honey…but you need a car too..”
Husband – “Dont worry..I’ll get the Evora…”
Wife – “Evora? What’s that?”
Husband – “Just another product from Proton family…here please sign this blank HP form for the Evora…”
Wife – “Sure thing honey, I love you…”
Husband – “I love you too…
“
February 17, 2009 @ 1:09 pm
haha, aku hntar lebih dr 3 entri. Kejora, Perkasa, Harmoni, Aura….sipi pun xkena. Xda rezki..tggu utk perodua punya mpv plak..woha!
February 17, 2009 @ 1:11 pm
Hahaha…………so expensive for a Proton? Big risk to buy. Plus not using existing engine which we know its reliability and performance already, but larger engine – everyone know the issue with the Gen2s before.
Perodua MPV based on Myvi gonna outsell this piece of junk.
February 17, 2009 @ 1:13 pm
nonengko said,
February 17, 2009 @ 12:54 pm
jangan sedih la sagaknight, ada orang kata “rules meant to be broken” ma
just let them do what they please la, malaysia boleh ma…….
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hah,next time kita cuba lagi…
nama exora pun ok dah…
nama dah ada…
kita tengok how perform
mpv tu nanti..
ada jugak yg nak bash nama
mpv ni,mpv belum keluar lagi
daripada certain nama japan car
lagi pelik2..
tak nampak pulak orang komplen
sendiri fikirlah ye
February 17, 2009 @ 1:18 pm
@Littlefire,
Even if this Exora is gonna be priced same as Perodua MPV oso is gonna be outsold by the Perodua MPV.
Why? People trust in Toyota design (especially engine) and manufacturing process.
Plus, lets face it. Despite what the fanboys says, Proton is a bad choice due to low 2ndhand value. Go read Motor Trader and you’ll find 2ndhand residual value is very strong for Japanese make like Toyota and Honda and even for P2 Myvi.
Compare to Proton Savvy or even Gen2? No chance lah….
February 17, 2009 @ 1:21 pm
alaa…. rugi.. aku dh letak nama tuh… cuma eja IXORA…
February 17, 2009 @ 1:23 pm
Ixora = flower
Exora is not.
the vegitation banned because bashers said :
Savvy = sawi.
that’s how.
btw,i think it’s a very good name. just like lotus family.
Evora, Elise, Exige, Esprit .
ending with RA is the famous term here.
including me those suggest ‘Aurora’ name.
unlucky me.
Upcoming toyota badged perodua will name.
Perodua keRA lol!
February 17, 2009 @ 1:24 pm
RULE WAS BROKEN BY WHOM SET THE RULE!!
February 17, 2009 @ 1:26 pm
btw.. the EXORA emblem is nice!
February 17, 2009 @ 1:29 pm
fikir2lah banyak kali kalu nak beli first model ni.biasanya banyak errornya.lepas banyak komplen baru terhegeh2 nak betulkan.macam pembeli tempat try & error.harga pun bukan seriggit dua rinngit.apa-apa pun good luck lah pada model mpv proton ni.
February 17, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
aku letak nama Proton Lebah! patut aku dapat nombor 2… kan bunga ngan lebah tu geng?
February 17, 2009 @ 1:31 pm
Damn i thought proton cicak. coz cicakman:P
February 17, 2009 @ 1:32 pm
waaa, I like it so much the name of new proton mpv..
so macth woo.. ” Proton Exora ”
truly awsome!!
at the end of the day, Well Done Proton!
February 17, 2009 @ 1:33 pm
I will consider Grand Livina coz diff few thousand only.
February 17, 2009 @ 1:36 pm
Please choose below, which one will be named for upcoming MPV after Exora.
A) Exotic
B) Express
C) Elelele
D) Econsave
February 17, 2009 @ 1:40 pm
Steven said,
February 17, 2009 @ 10:30 am
The name is good but the price is not worth…
Its a proton the price should now tht much…
many will still go for Avanza as is a more reliable car then porton…
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If you like Toyota Avanza, just go and get yourself one of it. The people market and reseacrh of proton knows what suite for the price of it. If you clever and so on want to compare this and that, just go make your other nasional car. we all can judge that one. cheers!
February 17, 2009 @ 1:41 pm
“Cost of development was slightly over RM 450 million.” WALAU.. for a MPV!!????
February 17, 2009 @ 1:50 pm
@I my:
Develop higher cc Campro CPS Engine = ard RM 100 million (since only modified existing engine)
Design interior and exterior of new MPV = ard RM150 million
Set up new production lines = ard RM100 million
Promotional costs, advertising, etc = ard RM50 million
Corruption, wastages, etc like normal GLC = RM50 million.
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Total cost = RM450 million lo.
February 17, 2009 @ 1:51 pm
When Jeremy Clarkson reviews this car. It will be called. Proton Ebola
February 17, 2009 @ 1:53 pm
I think the name is influenced by EZORA malay tv series at!!!!!
February 17, 2009 @ 1:57 pm
typical proton name,end with ‘a’
eg:
sag’a’
iswar’a’
wir’a’
satri’a’
juar’a’
putr’a’
aren’a’
perdan’a’ now exor’a’
February 17, 2009 @ 2:02 pm
Exora maybe to reflect those Lotus Evora name in Proton Holding group. Anyway, it is still flora name. Anyone want to sue Proton on its non-compliances to their rule. Maybe Karpal Singh can come in, or maybe Sirul’s lawyer can.
February 17, 2009 @ 2:06 pm
bukan sedih pasal tak menang….itu tak ade rezeki ,tapi sedih sebab KENA TIPU idup-idup by Proton MALAYSIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 17, 2009 @ 2:07 pm
OMG, wake up fagots! Ixora is a floral name, EXORA is not! No wonder malaysian are so easily being cheated by the gov, damn stupid and lazy to use the already small brain…
February 17, 2009 @ 2:15 pm
what is the rational of the name to that car?
So girlish.
apa rational inspirasi bunga ke atas kereta?
February 17, 2009 @ 2:16 pm
exora … very lotus-ish …
February 17, 2009 @ 2:19 pm
The next model should be named as Proton Rexona instead…
February 17, 2009 @ 2:21 pm
Not bad! Now, let’s wait for the real thing….nama sedap tapi kalau barang tak baik buat aper….that’s the most important thing!!! The MPV must be good…price…belakang kira…name…belakang kira jugak…congrats to the winner and congrats to Proton for releasing it soon!
February 17, 2009 @ 2:22 pm
I really have big question mark how the development cost for such MPV is so high, 450 Millions is a lot of money. I believe engine is not included as the CPS Campro engine is already “developed”.
With some rough calculation, Proton needs to sell 5625 units of Exora just to recover the cost. And probably need to sell 5 times the unit amount to start getting some profit.
February 17, 2009 @ 2:23 pm
not_ah_beng said,
February 17, 2009 @ 1:11 pm
Hahaha…………so expensive for a Proton? Big risk to buy. Plus not using existing engine which we know its reliability and performance already, but larger engine – everyone know the issue with the Gen2s before.
Perodua MPV based on Myvi gonna outsell this piece of junk.
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I’m becoming even confident that this fella is a periukdua..ooopsss PERODUA employee.. =p
February 17, 2009 @ 2:24 pm
Berikut adalah syarat2 yang diberi oleh pihak PROTON: (please read the first condition)
Penyertaan hendaklah sama ada dalam bahasa Malaysia atau bahasa Inggeris dan mestilah:-
1- Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan;
2- Tidak mengandungi bahasa kasar atau kesat atau membawa konotasi tidak baik, seperti “Bodoh”;
3- Boleh diterima secara komersial, contohnya “Proton Waja”;
February 17, 2009 @ 2:28 pm
Hmmm lets see…….
Develope new platform…
Tuning the CPS engine…
Hiring consultant….
Testings…..
developing components…
Renovation of factory to suit the MPV production…
New stamping moulds….
Etc… Etc….
i would say the cost of those thing could easily exceed 450 mill…. esp the testing parts…
cheers..
February 17, 2009 @ 2:30 pm
Gee, how could no-one see the difference between Lotus Evora and Proton Exora???? You can really tell that Proton owns Lotus, can’t you?
February 17, 2009 @ 2:31 pm
name also they already tipu, don’t know what they’ll tipu next..
>-
hopefully not like that.. right P1..
February 17, 2009 @ 2:31 pm
i tought there sholdnt be any flora and fauna name..ni mesti ada sedara mara ni dalam proton…what he heck..
February 17, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
not ah beng… u can see the future eh?
wow… can see the perodua Mpv outsell the proton at present… even there are not anyone seen P2 mpv yet…
so cool r u…
February 17, 2009 @ 2:36 pm
AT least the name ain’t sounding so cheesy.
February 17, 2009 @ 2:38 pm
“not consist of any form of the animal kingdom, or vegetation;”
“consist of” and “based on” are two different things, though not very far apart in this case.
EXORA is based on, but not consist of a floral name. So i don’t see any rules being broken here.
Just my two cents.
February 17, 2009 @ 2:41 pm
Exora? Sounds abit like the Lotus Evora.
February 17, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
PROTON EXORA : M-line RM70,400.00 H-line RM74,500.00……Comes with bluetooth/hands-free radio (yes you can plug your hp into the radio)..with caller ID. 8.5″ TFT LCD DVD player @ the 2nd row…for viewing pleasure. Cabin size similar to Grandis. In-dash Gate-type gear lever n self-illuminating meter cluster. Hv separate rear aircond blower. Applies to both variants. The Exora is also packed wiyh unbelievable features….quality is GREAT! Before any of you bash me, go check it out 1st hand. It now uses a body-control-module (BCM) which is basically a printed circuit-board that reduces electrical components (eg. relays) n wirings. Therefore it reduces vendors too. The BCM is manufactured in Seberang Prai n functions like the i-Drive found in BMWs/Mercs. There are so much new features in the Exora that you’ll be SURPRISED! At least I was. You simply hv to check it out yourself.
The powertrain. Even I was skeptical at first, but now I say, TRY IT OUT FIRST, before you bash (I made that mistake). I really do hope that this is THE revival of P1.
P/S: Forget abt the competitors. Get this.
February 17, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
For me personally, owning an MPV for the ‘keriangan keluarga’ doesn’t appeal me!
Since not ALL FAMILY MEN/WOMEN would buy the car for family usage, it could still be used for personal usage for example : Spaciousness, Multi-usage (for leisure or business), individuality or family.
Besides, if they really wanted a rhymed name, they should’ve told us that…. I’d surely think of a name that would rhyme with Wira, Iswara, Putra hence resulted a “Binasa”….
February 17, 2009 @ 2:50 pm
what ever…. the winner has announced…. so whether the u like it or not it will b around u sooner… the choice is ur’s….
February 17, 2009 @ 2:52 pm
whatever…. the winner has been announced…. so whether u like it or not it will b around u sooner… so many argue this and that, go make ur DIY car… it can fit whatever ur want. the choice is ur’s….
February 17, 2009 @ 2:56 pm
WAHHH.
I’m soo close to winning the MPV.
I submitted the name EXIRA!
How I wished I could go back in time, and change that one single alphabet from I to O!!!!
February 17, 2009 @ 2:56 pm
NutzeyWagen said,
February 17, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
PROTON EXORA : M-line RM70,400.00 H-line RM74,500.00……Comes with bluetooth/hands-free radio (yes you can plug your hp into the radio)..with caller ID. 8.5? TFT LCD DVD player @ the 2nd row…for viewing pleasure. Cabin size similar to Grandis. In-dash Gate-type gear lever n self-illuminating meter cluster. Hv separate rear aircond blower. Applies to both variants. The Exora is also packed wiyh unbelievable features….quality is GREAT! Before any of you bash me, go check it out 1st hand. It now uses a body-control-module (BCM) which is basically a printed circuit-board that reduces electrical components (eg. relays) n wirings. Therefore it reduces vendors too. The BCM is manufactured in Seberang Prai n functions like the i-Drive found in BMWs/Mercs. There are so much new features in the Exora that you’ll be SURPRISED! At least I was. You simply hv to check it out yourself.
The powertrain. Even I was skeptical at first, but now I say, TRY IT OUT FIRST, before you bash (I made that mistake). I really do hope that this is THE revival of P1.
P/S: Forget abt the competitors. Get this.
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wow.. that’s sound great…
February 17, 2009 @ 2:57 pm
NutzeyWagen said,
February 17, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
PROTON EXORA : M-line RM70,400.00 H-line RM74,500.00……Comes with bluetooth/hands-free radio (yes you can plug your hp into the radio)..with caller ID. 8.5? TFT LCD DVD player @ the 2nd row…for viewing pleasure. Cabin size similar to Grandis. In-dash Gate-type gear lever n self-illuminating meter cluster. Hv separate rear aircond blower. Applies to both variants. The Exora is also packed wiyh unbelievable features….quality is GREAT! Before any of you bash me, go check it out 1st hand. It now uses a body-control-module (BCM) which is basically a printed circuit-board that reduces electrical components (eg. relays) n wirings. Therefore it reduces vendors too. The BCM is manufactured in Seberang Prai n functions like the i-Drive found in BMWs/Mercs. There are so much new features in the Exora that you’ll be SURPRISED! At least I was. You simply hv to check it out yourself.
The powertrain. Even I was skeptical at first, but now I say, TRY IT OUT FIRST, before you bash (I made that mistake). I really do hope that this is THE revival of P1.
P/S: Forget abt the competitors. Get this.
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Wow… i hope it is true… any picture to support your statement?
February 17, 2009 @ 2:57 pm
exora, evora takde nama lain ke?
Keno ikut trend pokok, sayur, macam itu proton sawi.
Proton Kangkung okey juga.
February 17, 2009 @ 2:59 pm
bertenang said,
February 17, 2009 @ 2:38 pm
“not consist of any form of the animal kingdom, or vegetation;”
“consist of” and “based on” are two different things, though not very far apart in this case.
EXORA is based on, but not consist of a floral name. So i don’t see any rules being broken here.
Just my two cents.
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you got it right…. that is the case…
ppl so easily confused by some words…. “consist of” and “based on” are two different things…
I believe some ppl realise it , it just that their judgement is clouded by their anguish cuz they did not win the competition… =p
February 17, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
LogicallyMad said,
February 17, 2009 @ 2:28 pm
Hmmm lets see…….
Develope new platform…
Tuning the CPS engine…
Hiring consultant….
Testings…..
developing components…
Renovation of factory to suit the MPV production…
New stamping moulds….
Etc… Etc….
i would say the cost of those thing could easily exceed 450 mill…. esp the testing parts…
cheers..
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i think LogicallyMad is Si-Fu..hehe bcoz si-fu always use Cheers at the of of his comment.. , just my 6senses
Si-Fu,
any comments from your side? … i know your you want to write something about this..hehe..
February 17, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
since when said proton “tipu”? rules said no flora fauna name.. i dont see proton hibiscus win? its not proton kumbang, proton tiger, proton badak either.
from what i understand, its proton ixora BASED on ixora name.if the winner happens to get the idea from a flora fauna name, so be it.
stop being such a loser.the competition is over.u did not win.
im gutted too. my proton bidak (based on badak name) didnt win. sigh.. but life goes on.
February 17, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
hey NutzeyWagen…where do you get all sorts of information….are u an insider.if yes,that means we have another si-fu here…you has made my curiosity higher to see it once it launches soon..
February 17, 2009 @ 3:12 pm
Great! Fail again to put my name on something…
February 17, 2009 @ 3:16 pm
NutzeyWagen….
U seem to know quite alot, r u a vendor?
Regarding the development cost, u all think doing a an MPV is like doing karipap or what? I consider RM 450mil as quite reasonable because we developed a new platform and many new innovations has gone into this ‘baby’! I told be4 in the previous post sumwhere, that prototypes cost a bom cause it made of prototype components that is produced in a very small amount. so each complete vehicle could cost hundreds of thousands…then developing a whole new platform is not quite cheap, cause we need to do it from scratch and use outside help (consultants) since we dont have that many manpower. An example of cost in a new vehicle development, the side structure a vehicle, is stamped (metal stamping)….to produce a new die just to produce the side structure only costs arnd RM 10mil…..that is the cost of producing the stamping die only, doesn’t include the development costs of the die and so on….that is only one part…how about the few hundred metal parts that a vehicle has? Each metal part has to stamped, or forged….and all their dies need MONEY to develop and build….that is the manufacturing part, how about testing…like i said be4, prototypes are expensive….to develop the prototypes needs money, and to finalize the prototype (final design/hard tooling) needs more money…..then comes the cost of design changes, overseas testing, crast test….refurbishment of the manufacturing system and plant….there are hundreds of cost to be considered to produce a car from THE DRAWING TO A SELLABLE VEHICLE! So please think properly…..
Btw, congrats to winner….the name is ‘BASED’ ON THE NAME IXORA….IXORA IS THE FLOWER NAME…..NOT EXORA…….if the name was IXORA, then the rules are broken….why Malaysian’s are so ignorant? Everything also tak puas hati, nak complain…..bangga lah sikit dengan apa yg kita boleh capai, anak malaysia kita sendiri….slalu nak agungkan org luar, tp diri sendiri, kebolehan diri sendiri? ‘Org Luar’ tuh pun bukan pandai terus dlm sehari, ‘rome was never built in a day’….mereka pun ambik masa yg lama utk belajar dr kesilapan…..Toyota, dah 70thn dalam industri automotif….tuh pun, saya pasti mereka masih belajar lagi….Cubalah tgk mcm mana org2 korea dan jepun bg sokongan kat product mereka….masa mula2 toyota buat kereta, walaupun kereta mereka tak bagus, org jepun tetap bg sokongan kat mereka….sebab tuh lah, utk 70thn yg lepas toyota tak penah mengalami kerugian…kenapa? Skarang yer, jualan toyota byk bergantung pada jualan dunia dia, tapi pada masa mula2 mereka membuat kereta (utk lbh 20thn yg pertama), macam mana mereka boleh maintain keuntungan mereka? Pikir-pikirkanlah wahai rakyat Malaysia…..
-the grass is never greener on the other side, its just the way at how u look at it-’si-fu’
Cheers!
February 17, 2009 @ 3:19 pm
NutzeyWagen said,
February 17, 2009 @ 2:42 pm- ur information quiet detail here… u hv been atend the mpv course arent u???
still waiting si-fu for futher info….
February 17, 2009 @ 3:19 pm
littlefire & not-ah-beng,
Give me five guys coz i cant agree with u more , d name is crap sounds like another type of VIAGRA pill & d price is rediculous for a 1.6l. Its a completely new model if with cps engine dunno how’s d reliability is. Remember Gen 2?
Definately p2 will b cheaper than this EX-ORAL watever & i will hold my money until p2 mpv comes out. Money is yours just spend it as u want.
February 17, 2009 @ 3:31 pm
Heard from an insider, a lot to the sales training will be on the power to weight and performance numbers/comparison with other MPVs – mainly to counter the “Proton’s MPV is underpowered” argument rival carmaker salesmen will be using…
February 17, 2009 @ 3:33 pm
BASED’ ON THE NAME IXORA….IXORA IS THE FLOWER NAME…..NOT EXORA…….if the name was IXORA, then the rules are broken….why Malaysian’s are so ignorant?
nobody malaysians (malay, chinese,indians,others) know what the meaning of ‘EXORA’…maybe typing error ,thats y we are so ignorant…only ’si-fu’ is the best in the world….
GTH
February 17, 2009 @ 3:33 pm
mir ist heiss..huhu
February 17, 2009 @ 3:35 pm
si-fu said,
February 17, 2009 @ 3:16 pm
NutzeyWagen….
U seem to know quite alot, r u a vendor?
Regarding the development cost, u all think doing a an MPV is like doing karipap or what? I consider RM 450mil as quite reasonable because we developed a new platform and many new innovations has gone into this ‘baby’! I told be4 in the previous post sumwhere, that prototypes cost a bom cause it made of prototype components that is produced in a very small amount. so each complete vehicle could cost hundreds of thousands…then developing a whole new platform is not quite cheap, cause we need to do it from scratch and use outside help (consultants) since we dont have that many manpower. An example of cost in a new vehicle development, the side structure a vehicle, is stamped (metal stamping)….to produce a new die just to produce the side structure only costs arnd RM 10mil…..that is the cost of producing the stamping die only, doesn’t include the development costs of the die and so on….that is only one part…how about the few hundred metal parts that a vehicle has? Each metal part has to stamped, or forged….and all their dies need MONEY to develop and build….that is the manufacturing part, how about testing…like i said be4, prototypes are expensive….to develop the prototypes needs money, and to finalize the prototype (final design/hard tooling) needs more money…..then comes the cost of design changes, overseas testing, crast test….refurbishment of the manufacturing system and plant….there are hundreds of cost to be considered to produce a car from THE DRAWING TO A SELLABLE VEHICLE! So please think properly…..
Btw, congrats to winner….the name is ‘BASED’ ON THE NAME IXORA….IXORA IS THE FLOWER NAME…..NOT EXORA…….if the name was IXORA, then the rules are broken….why Malaysian’s are so ignorant? Everything also tak puas hati, nak complain…..bangga lah sikit dengan apa yg kita boleh capai, anak malaysia kita sendiri….slalu nak agungkan org luar, tp diri sendiri, kebolehan diri sendiri? ‘Org Luar’ tuh pun bukan pandai terus dlm sehari, ‘rome was never built in a day’….mereka pun ambik masa yg lama utk belajar dr kesilapan…..Toyota, dah 70thn dalam industri automotif….tuh pun, saya pasti mereka masih belajar lagi….Cubalah tgk mcm mana org2 korea dan jepun bg sokongan kat product mereka….masa mula2 toyota buat kereta, walaupun kereta mereka tak bagus, org jepun tetap bg sokongan kat mereka….sebab tuh lah, utk 70thn yg lepas toyota tak penah mengalami kerugian…kenapa? Skarang yer, jualan toyota byk bergantung pada jualan dunia dia, tapi pada masa mula2 mereka membuat kereta (utk lbh 20thn yg pertama), macam mana mereka boleh maintain keuntungan mereka? Pikir-pikirkanlah wahai rakyat Malaysia…..
-the grass is never greener on the other side, its just the way at how u look at it-’si-fu’
Cheers!
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For future, can Proton design own SUV?
Finally,
Si-Fu has spoken… hehe… my 6sense is true. anyway, i will support this Exora.. I also proposed Proton Cassini and Proton Ixora, but it is not my luck
Anyway, GOOD JOB to Protonian, Si-Fu (Azlano?) and the gang for this Exora..
February 17, 2009 @ 3:46 pm
Aiyoh si-fu…
Based on, consist of, of course it’s 2 different things maaa. But once said cannot follow meh? you check ms word Thesaurus (press shift+F7 pade yang tak tau) after you type ‘consist of’ dan highlight word tu ada banyak ayat yang similar meaning :
a) Be made of
b) Be made up of
c) contained
d) Be composed of
e) Comprise
Sekarang, Bukankah EXORA adalah COMPOSITION untuk IXORA ke?
February 17, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
Somehow i know,
the winner wont be other than Malay.
Other races dun stand a chance in this type of competition.
Ha ha
February 17, 2009 @ 3:55 pm
I believe some ppl realise it , it just that their judgement is clouded by their anguish cuz they did not win the competition… =p
LogicallyMad
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Angry….
No sirrie…..!
If i have the money, i would not buy the car oso. Malaysian made… rubbish….!
I heard from a reliable source, during testing they turun genting, enjin meletup! Masa tu pakai body lain.
But Exora is a sexy name………..
B-)
February 17, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
Check out the head-rests too. It’s not your usual pull up/push down type. RM450mil for RnD? Too much spent? Try taking apart your present vehicle n check every components thoroughly. (Taking it apart means down to the bare metal). Then go source for new components(parts), then assemble what you’ve got (don’t use parts from your vehicle). After you’ve assembled it, crash it into a solid wall. Then go check your bill. How much spent ah?
February 17, 2009 @ 4:08 pm
Proton Exora under-powered? Here are the figures.
1380kg ; 1597cc ; 125bhp/127ps (whichever you want to use).
Now go do your maths. Done? OK. How much bhp per 1L (1000cc)?
February 17, 2009 @ 4:11 pm
what kind of stupid name is this
February 17, 2009 @ 4:20 pm
facelifted may be consider,still trauma with Gen2 first model!!
February 17, 2009 @ 4:24 pm
NutzeyWagen said,
February 17, 2009 @ 4:08 pm
Proton Exora under-powered? Here are the figures.
1380kg ; 1597cc ; 125bhp/127ps (whichever you want to use).
Now go do your maths. Done? OK. How much bhp per 1L (1000cc)?
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Cool… but what is the lower RPM hp? say bout 2 – 3.5k rpm? That i reckon is the usual average joe would use right? (well at least i drive at that range)… also what is the max torque and torque at that range? not comparing but just curious…
February 17, 2009 @ 4:26 pm
the cost of developing a new platform at RM450 million (USD128 mil – based on USD1:RM3.5) is relatively cheap. As the engine is the same as the Waja / Gen2/Neo CPS, the margins for these models will be higher than if a new engine were plonked in. I suppose if a new engine was plonked in, the cost could easily be RM750 million.
This is not to say that there is no leakage, but a totally new platform for less than RM500 million is reasonable. However, Proton must start exporting to achieve economies of scale and lower its prod cost and should start giving its local customers better or same specs as overseas customers.
February 17, 2009 @ 4:27 pm
apasal aku tak menang pulak? x dak rezeki kot. Gua bg nama Proton Ilusif. Sedap dak?
February 17, 2009 @ 4:31 pm
soooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people are jealous about the winning, anyhoo, congrats to the winner and the name can go international easily, Exora complement e-banking, e-government and so forth… so in this posting i will be Emphasizing the lEttEr E..
thEse bittEr fElla flamE like no tomorrow.. i too submittEd at lEast 8 namE for this compEtition and I must admit EXORA is quitE a good namE. anyhoo, i’m morE jEalous with the runnEr up winnEr, frankly i was targEting that prizE which is trip for 2 to Lotus UK.. hEhEh…
and I also sEnsE somE othEr compEtitor takE thE namE quitE surprisEd and launch thEir attack modE sEquEnce toward Proton Exora.
from the initial spEc Exora doEs sound nicE… 80K might bE the max pricE(lots of spEakEr and monitor hErE and thErE) and pEoplE can start comparing it with toyota wish or honda strEam also rathEr than livina,avanza,gaga,gugu,gigi model, bEar in mind that this product bEnchmark is toyota wish…
using a printEd circuit is much bEttEr than rElay usage since it is Easily fixEd ( i imaginE changing ram on a pc here) and much bEttEr if can bE donE by End usEr than charging the End usEr with labor cost.
sEriously I am proud with the namE and the product itsElf, hopE it would be very good, listEning to a auto consultant from SynErgy US intErviEw yEst and hE did mEntion Proton nEEd an affordablE quality car to outshinE.
go go go
February 17, 2009 @ 4:32 pm
proton EXORA
lotus EVORA
what your comment,friends?
February 17, 2009 @ 4:33 pm
tagline is soooo simple… i cracked my head to think of a tagline for this car.. but KERIANGAN KELUARGA? WTH !!!
and i agree.. proton contest rules suck… maybe they choose their crony to win.. anyway im out…
February 17, 2009 @ 4:34 pm
EXORA
EXtra ORAng = MPV
February 17, 2009 @ 4:38 pm
mavericksam said,
February 17, 2009 @ 4:24 pm
NutzeyWagen said,
February 17, 2009 @ 4:08 pm
Proton Exora under-powered? Here are the figures.
1380kg ; 1597cc ; 125bhp/127ps (whichever you want to use).
Now go do your maths. Done? OK. How much bhp per 1L (1000cc)?
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How does this compare against the Grand Livina or even the Avanza 1.5 or Rush 1.5 although technically, the Avanza / Rush is lower cost platform.
February 17, 2009 @ 4:47 pm
now what I hatE is that all proton supportEr and bashEr will comE out full forcE and suddEnly thEy all havE diploma in automotivE EnginEEring…
also whEn i wEnt to a showroom and start asking tEchnical knowlEdgE of thE salEsman and thEy start talking crap whEn I usEd thEir wEapons to attack thEm, in this casE…. wEight to powEr ratio…
whEn othEr pEoplE who rEally carE to buy a car concErn about fuEl consumption, thosE racEboy wannabE thinking about tuning thE racE quatEr milE..
bE rEalistic.
February 17, 2009 @ 4:49 pm
Weird, of late Proton is applying for the trademark of EXORA and ESFORA…anyone suggested ESFORA??
February 17, 2009 @ 4:50 pm
Based on ka, consist on ka, lebih kurang saja…
beribu-ribu peserta terperdaya dengan syarat tersebut.
Proton seolah-olah tidak menghargai peserta yang bersusah payah mengerah otak untuk mencari nama untuk mpv tersebut..
Lastly syarat tidak digunapakai dan diputarbelit…
Lagi pun Exora tu bukan perkataan Melayu, tidak mcm waja, wira, saga dan seumpamanya
February 17, 2009 @ 4:51 pm
Pity if this thread reflects the true Malaysian attitude as a whole
February 17, 2009 @ 4:53 pm
comment from si-fu is 101% right!
RM450mil RnD for this MPV within 21 months tak la mahal sangat compared with other manufacturer. Even mitsubishi 380, RnD cost nearly AUD 600mil.
bagi ar credit kat si-fu n the geng. We Malaysian should proud. Kat dunia nie hanya ada 11 negara jer pengeluar kereta. Salah satunya MALAYSIA!
EXORA is a quiet nice name too. Mungkin ramai rakyat Malaysia tak begitu tahu pembangunan sesebuah model kereta. sebab tu diorang cakap yang bukan2.
Apa2 pun bravo EXORA!!! Hanya jauhari mengenal manikam.
cheers!!
February 17, 2009 @ 5:01 pm
Sifu may i know the crash safety rating for this Exora?
February 17, 2009 @ 5:03 pm
Nissan Grand Livina only selling at RM85k.
For smart people like you and me, sure buy Nissan Livina la…
Proton Exora? RM80k for a MILO-tin alike MPV, i wonder who will buy this car…
February 17, 2009 @ 5:05 pm
Put any name.. u guys still bla bla about it.. lol
February 17, 2009 @ 5:06 pm
5 star for crash safety rating….
just kiding:p
February 17, 2009 @ 5:09 pm
Don’t worry if u not win the contest.
Try again because I think p1 can produce more models when we continue to support them.
I hope if the name submitted in the contest can be re-used to new models then, we can get some credits. hehe
February 17, 2009 @ 5:10 pm
Will be ferrying my family around. My current Naza Ria scores a lousy 2 star Euro ENCAP(scary). Is this Exora any better? If yes, then good choice. Will strongly consider a swap.
Power and price is secondary issue. Safety first priority. Kesian family man orang rumah tak bagi beli sports sedan.
February 17, 2009 @ 5:16 pm
nice and simple name. not like naza new rebadge mpv name: naza citra II rondo, weird n not sound nice at all..
February 17, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
Ok guys, some of u might be telling, whats the point of having 150Nm’s of torque and 125Hp but only achieve that at 4800rpm an 6500rpm for the latter…..okey lets talk about the normal driving range engine speed….most of us drive at about 2000 to 3500 rpm….at this rpm, the power and torque that u get from the 1.6CPS is about:
Power : 28KW to 52KW (37.5HP to 69.7HP)
Torque :132Nm to 142Nm (88% to 95% of the max torque produced)
As we all know, for low speed engine, the power produced is realtively low, this cant be helped…but what is important is the torque….as i have stated above, u can get 88% to 95% of the max torque from 2000rpm to 3500 rpm in an ALMOST LINEAR INCREASING MANNER!!!(which means no any nasty dip in between it like the bare campro).
To gauge power, we always see the power to weight ratio…measured in BHP per TONNE. So based on the value of weight that nutzeywagen posted ( i am not implying this is the weight of the MPV, just taking it as an example)…for 125Hp and weight of 1380kg, we will get a power to weight ratio of 90.6 BHP per TONNE which is…….(no comment rite now since the weight is not told by me)….so if u guys wanna compare the power to weight ratio with other MPV’s, get their weight and max hp and use this formula:-
note :1 tonne = 1000kg
weight(kg)/power(bhp) = ‘X’ kg/bhp (how many kilo’s 1 hp can support) then,
1000kg (= 1tonne) / ‘X’ (kg/bhp) = ‘Z’ bhp per tonne
So enjoy comparing, the higher the ‘Z’ value, the better….
Cheers!
February 17, 2009 @ 5:24 pm
My ‘Lampara’ name WAS rejected too. Why??? Nice name isn’t it?
February 17, 2009 @ 5:25 pm
Why delayed?
Vendor delivery or part/design failed?
February 17, 2009 @ 5:25 pm
Seems a lot bash the Exora’s 1.6CPS as being under-powered, but askd to do own calculation, they lost their maths skill.
The best solution is to test-drive it 1st before praising/bashing it. Check out the exterior/interior, gadgets n what haves, then take it for a drive (bring the family along). Feel how it goes, then place your order……..uuhhh…wait…. maybe some will still want to bash. If so, what can I say/do, your money is in your hands.
February 17, 2009 @ 5:32 pm
bersyukurlah dgn ape yg ada
February 17, 2009 @ 5:32 pm
wiraperkasa said,
February 17, 2009 @ 5:06 pm
5 star for crash safety rating….
just kiding:p
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yes! testing was done at the backyard by crashing into some stacked milo tins that is… lol!!!
just kidding too… :p
February 17, 2009 @ 5:34 pm
wah…very nice explaination from sifu..very informative!
anyway sifu..can you comfirm about the price?? is it true price range RM70K-RM75? THANKZ
February 17, 2009 @ 5:36 pm
i’m agree with u kelerbort,
it been so sudden when every m’sian hv a degree in engineering… designing… when p1 produce new model… they hv also a degree in commenting and bashing 1st class honor in this field… all the technical aspect they hv been figure it out though not make sense at all…
si-fu, a cr to ur team… congratulate again to Norsholihan Bt Abdul Eanich for the name…
though this mpv been bashed here and there, at PT room here by bashers who hv degree in ingineering, designing commenting and bashing with honour, it will b move around u guys later… so, the choice is ur’s…
February 17, 2009 @ 5:37 pm
si-fu said,
February 17, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
Ok guys, some of u might be telling, whats the point of having 150Nm’s of torque and 125Hp but only achieve that at 4800rpm an 6500rpm for the latter…..okey lets talk about the normal driving range engine speed….most of us drive at about 2000 to 3500 rpm….at this rpm, the power and torque that u get from the 1.6CPS is about:
Power : 28KW to 52KW (37.5HP to 69.7HP)
Torque :132Nm to 142Nm (88% to 95% of the max torque produced)
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That is very good (the torque that is)… can’t wait to see it first hand…
February 17, 2009 @ 5:39 pm
Ya lorrr..for a moment there i also got angry with proton, but then again, “based on” and “consist of” really r 2 different phrase.So, I guess, exora pun exora la… (as long as no rules r broken).
Sure, I can accept that reason. But, still, I tot Proton should get away from the typical ‘a’ end (like pantun pulak) and come out with a fresh name.
February 17, 2009 @ 5:40 pm
Talk about the crash rating. I still remember STUPID Proton with its so-called 3-Star Savvy. WTH with STUPID Proton, the Star rating is not even from Euro NCAP, its actually internal Star rating that ’supposedly’ the same as Euro NCAP. What a STUPID Proton!!!
As for those who don’t agree with me, please explain your fact regarding this issue.
February 17, 2009 @ 5:41 pm
I sent Proton (1) Erama (2) Myrea (3) Klanna. Too bad didn’t even make into the top 3 tssk tsskk. Anyway congratulations to the Winner Cik errr…. Congratulations !
Well, an event like this we will see a lots of bashers – from a Since-Born-a-Proton-Basher type to those who are disappointed because the their submitted names not chosen. As usual then talks go to corruptions / power abuse / high tax / kualiti buruk / bla bla bla zzzzzzzz .. haiyaah.., dont need to bash or to think so hard laah,.. – just stay away from Proton, dont buy Proton laa, then problem solved. Just my RM0.02 on that one.
BTW Exora is kinda nice name,.. I started to like it ha ha.
Si-Fu / NutzeyWagen, some questions here : does the MPV having any kind of roof railing and sunroof pre-installed to all variants..? If have, that will rock, man…! damn cool cool cool …
.peace!
February 17, 2009 @ 5:43 pm
148 comments so far in few hours…really, malaysian love this car :p
February 17, 2009 @ 5:44 pm
one more think..why there no white color for this new “baby”? the one with white color awesome.
Still blur about the actual interior of this new “baby”. any news guy??
February 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm
yalo i agree with Madimat…nice name Proton EXORA CPS 1.6
February 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm
@ Si-Fu: “many new innovations has gone into this ‘baby’!”
Innovations? You must be joking.
February 17, 2009 @ 5:54 pm
Some love to love it, some love to bash it. Either way, there is love!
Love to all Msians!
February 17, 2009 @ 5:56 pm
support PROTON EXORA..malaysian will be surprised for the feature and new technology for dis PROTON EXORA..features of dis car have a cues from BMW..ehehe..price also reasonable..im proud to be malaysia..
maybe some bashers will book it asap and x sabar nak dapat kereta and keep calling salesperson..ahaha..
GEWD JOB PROTON..DARING TO BE DARE
February 17, 2009 @ 5:57 pm
NutzeyWagen since you are math genius, can ask 150nm torque can move a 1785kg MPV smoothly (full house estimate)? Please show your calculation.
Besides that consider the wind drag (big size) also.
I think the best buy for this MPV is 5/6-speed manual, if only Auto 4-speed i a bit skeptical as even 1.8L Wish (4-speed auto) is consider under power for me full house .. CVT maybe will consider due to better torque distribution.
“The original weight maybe around 1300-1400kg but you must know bigger space inside can fill in more stuff so think 1 ppl around 65kg * 7 (Max) = 455kg + luggage/shopping stuff (7 ppl stuff) add plus also around 30kg = 485+1300kg = 1785kg. So 1.6L CPS engine (125hp/150nm) can move 1785kg MPV smoothly? This is just opinion, but for those ppl with kids or less stuff the weight will be less..”
Surprise me with 1.6L Turbo / Supercharge Campro engine and i will snatch it. So i think is better those new MPV buyers to wait for Perodua MPV out first before deciding..
February 17, 2009 @ 5:58 pm
I have no problem with Kereta Nasional, in fact I support it (to some extend). I just bash where bash is due
February 17, 2009 @ 6:00 pm
PROTON PRESTIGEO…nampak mcm berprestij kan kan..
-satria neo cps 60k
-proton exora 75
beza sikit jer for tiny car and bigger mpv..
February 17, 2009 @ 6:03 pm
@ Littlefire
Smoothly? Not a chance. If they change the transmission ratio, it will have high RPM issue in highway cruising. If they solved this by put a tall top gear, power delivery in highspeed overtaking will suffer (especially the 4-Speed). For this engine, there is no way to get the best of both world.
February 17, 2009 @ 6:13 pm
why do one want hi rpm on the highway?
if manual 5th gear with ratio 0.9 and the final drive 4.4… it should be ok on hi way….
February 17, 2009 @ 6:14 pm
Proton Exora….sound a bit vulgar to me. I can imagine some poor people mispronounce it like….Protong xxxhole lah. It’s going to be fun^^
February 17, 2009 @ 6:20 pm
@autojohndoe
Have you read what i say about a tall top gear?
February 17, 2009 @ 6:22 pm
si-fu said,
February 17, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
Ok guys, some of u might be telling, whats the point of having 150Nm’s of torque and 125Hp but only achieve that at 4800rpm an 6500rpm for the latter…..okey lets talk about the normal driving range engine speed….most of us drive at about 2000 to 3500 rpm….at this rpm, the power and torque that u get from the 1.6CPS is about:
Power : 28KW to 52KW (37.5HP to 69.7HP)
Torque :132Nm to 142Nm (88% to 95% of the max torque produced)
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Master Si-Fu, you sure its 132Nm of Torque from 2000rpm?
I think 132Nm of torque is not sufficient to accelerate the 1700kg weight (assume 7 ppl inside MPV) smoothly around stop-and-go traffic.
I believe if proton can squeeze the torque from the campro to achieve 160Nm+ of torque from 2000rpm, that would be great! I’m sure there is a way to increase it, just like what the R&D did with the 135HP Satria Neo R3 ‘Non-CPS’.
Paul Tan says: The Neo R3’s power outputs, I suspect at that level it no longer meets many emissions standards, not to mention loudness and comfort standards, at least that was my experience with the car.
February 17, 2009 @ 6:26 pm
Nice… =D
February 17, 2009 @ 6:31 pm
@normal_user
Turbo charger can increase it (torque) further and flattened the curve and make it wider. until then, people will have to suffer with this 1.6 (STUPID) CamPro (Low Tech) CPS.
February 17, 2009 @ 6:33 pm
Yah omg
Contest entry submissions must be in either Bahasa Malaysia or English only and must:-
- not consist of any form of the animal kingdom, or vegetation;
my my -.- hahaha. anyways congrats. too bad my name didnt get picked.
Proton Alpha. Above the Rest. HAHAHA -.- why its tagline is in malay? i thought proton wants to make their brand INTERNATIONAL? hmm…
February 17, 2009 @ 6:34 pm
I googled the following new car prices for the sake of comparison. As a note, they are all auto, higher end version, OTR price with insurance.
Toyota Avanza 1.5S (A) RM 77,100.00
Toyota Rush 1.5G (A) RM 88,888.00
Toyota Rush 1.5S (A) RM 94,888.00
Nissan G Livina 1.6L (A) RM 88,600.00
Suzuki APV 1.6GLX (A) CBU RM 76,872.60
Kia Citra II Rondo EXS (A) RM 88,888.00
Proton Exora 1.6 (A) RM 74,500.00 *
* This is based on the highest price from the range of RM 70,400 to RM 74,500. Not sure whether this is inclusive of insurance.
So guys, do your own maths…
February 17, 2009 @ 6:36 pm
their are just a car.
- if u have money ,go and buy it.
-if u dont have money , come to paultan.org….
yeah i dont have money…that is why i am here
February 17, 2009 @ 6:37 pm
@ManNero
I thought Toyota Rush is in the different category.
February 17, 2009 @ 6:38 pm
Alahai,the bashers hv no point anymore to bash.even by the Exora name also they can bash..
OK to all bashers,you can bash all proton makes in constructive spirit.if you guys just complain to condemn it,then your child next 20yrs will ask “Did our Malaysian hv any technology of making a Car?then you can answer,”Oh,we Malaysian just buy it from Japan” or “We just PASANG JE KAT RAWANG”…
(Susahnya nak jadi Developed Country)…
February 17, 2009 @ 6:41 pm
70k mline ,75k hline, no base line. bigger n better then livina n avanza . Both come wt 2 airbag. The best part aircond vent at 2nd n 3rd row + 10 cup bottle holder. Proton aim to conquor 50% mpv market share n intends to sale 2550 units per month to repositioned 1st for 09 financial year.
cheers….
February 17, 2009 @ 6:42 pm
@Fridz: “Susahnya nak jadi Developed Country”
Many developed country do not have National Auto Company and they are still WAY better then us.
February 17, 2009 @ 6:42 pm
MyBoy,
I thought I should include the Rush in there since some people buy car for the number of people they can fit in… since Toyota Rush is a 7 seater..
cheers
February 17, 2009 @ 6:45 pm
@ManNero
Understand. Thanks bro.
February 17, 2009 @ 6:51 pm
perodua nautica is the 5 seater of toyota rush…which eventually more expensive than rush despite being a 5 seater
February 17, 2009 @ 7:00 pm
alah…u all always nk blame proton…..at least exora is sounds good la….give proton a chance to produce our car ouhhh……soal harga plak…nak sama kn avanza….engine that they use only 1.3 n 1.5 only…but exora use 1.6 CPS DOHC…..enough power la…kalau avanza 1.3 boleh jalan atas jalan x kn exora 1.6 x boleh plak…..
btw…..im always supporting our local car…peduli apa la org nk kata kat proton….just keep it up n moving foward…
February 17, 2009 @ 7:03 pm
wiraperkasa,
toyota rush is made in indonesia and a 2WD vehicle. perodua nautica is fully imported(CBU) from japan and rebadged as a perodua model. it also has full time AWD, part of the reason why its more expensive than toyota rush… different marketing strategy by toyota/perodua i guess..
and why should we be talking about toyota/perodua here??
cheers
February 17, 2009 @ 7:09 pm
Ixora is a flower/vegetation.
Exora is a generic name.
Exora name sound better than besi waja or gen or juara ko.
February 17, 2009 @ 7:12 pm
the auto industry is started with the intention to boost the development of other industry, plastic, metal, electronic… but, it seems to be failed by our own malaysian track of mind which always said… the foreigner is better than us and can never beat them…
so, this group of malaysian say, let just follow and be a user… be just only manufacturer (without much RnD, hoping other country to invent and we use it), be a buyer…
February 17, 2009 @ 7:18 pm
wahhh….the name launching is just happened just for a few hours ago, there is 193++ comments already….walau eh…
btw, exora….quite nice name…i think it is acceptable for any country in the world…not like the ‘waja’ name where the europe ppl think the name is quite funny…then, P1 need to give out some more money to change the name tag…
however, congrats Proton! i hope that Exora will be the catalyst for proton’s next achievement!
February 17, 2009 @ 7:20 pm
hahahaha so funny crying like baby when lose a competition…hahaha so lame…i advise u go to karpal singh and ask him to file a sue to proton coz u so confidently said u hv been cheated right…i want to see u get sue back…do you think proton choose this name without consider the effect and consequences. as per normal this day some narrow minded person will relate it to cronism, racial statement and so on..plzz stop bullshitting… dont show you third world mind here…
as for the 450mil investment on this project is consider normal investment of any new product development….in making a new vehicle from scratch u need to have preliminary study, design, CAD data, CAE data, jig, dies , manufrg line, Testing and the list goes on…its not like go to brothers shop..pick wut u want pay and then assemble it.if u can assemble it to become a car la..to make a new component with small quantity will cost u millions…later on when the component are produce in mass quantity the cost will eventually go down…that why the development cost are millions…please read more before give baseless comment…
as for the power u afraid will not cope with the weight plzz wait for this mpv spec to come out when its launch…then we do some comparison with some other marque in term of power weight ratio ok…as for now i assure you that the power is enough to move this mpv
in term are quality…when its launch see it for yourself then judge…its quite annoying keep mention about gen2 waja quality…why not say savvy saga neo n persona…is it still the same or you already know its already improve but as always just want to find point to bash
chiou
February 17, 2009 @ 7:22 pm
Why all those 3 winners are malays?Others cant give a proper name mei
?
February 17, 2009 @ 7:28 pm
Blah..blah..blah…bash…bash…bash…! Hvn’t even seen/feel/test yet, you guys go shooting from your hips! Hold on lah! There are in fact so much innovations in the Exora that most laymen don’t even bother to know. For those who wants to know, don’t look into interior. Look at the exterior. The platform, chassis, suspension n things like that. Should hv seen the crash-test photos/videos (done in Spain). It protects the passengers. Passive/active safety standards are…..wah lau eh……mo tak teng! There are so much more but my hands are tied, my lips are sealed. I gave my word.
P/S: Pls don’t ask me to show photos/videos. I can’t.
February 17, 2009 @ 7:29 pm
exora means own people take prize again… those winners are from insider n js come out show face to receive the prize but end up ntg cos tats js another way of promotion for money debt company proton…
February 17, 2009 @ 7:41 pm
NutzeyWagen said,
*******
the best is, one of the basher said that P2 mpv is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than this Exora… even not any malaysian have seen it is tested on the road…. also can predict the sales… haha….
February 17, 2009 @ 7:49 pm
chap_de_x siad:
“as for now i assure you that the power is enough to move this mpv”
Only the car meh? how bout full loaded as LittleFire said?
February 17, 2009 @ 7:54 pm
NutzeyWagen aka Azlano.. just wondering.
Is there any others features that EXORA will offer to the their potential customer?
February 17, 2009 @ 7:55 pm
@unamed
Sure merangkak one.
February 17, 2009 @ 7:57 pm
@NutzeyWagen: “There are in fact so much innovations in the Exora that most laymen don’t even bother to know.”
Innovations? You must be joking.
February 17, 2009 @ 7:58 pm
another way to to improve performance is to shortened the gear ratios , it wil affects top speed bt thats irrelevant in an mpv….another important thing is the engine got to be refined without the familiar boom sound of the campro….
believe me , if avanza 1.3cc is on the road , no one has the right to question a 1.6cc cps ! if avanza 1.3 is considered an mpv by god knows wat standards , thn this Exora will have no problems . .
another ting is the Lavina is a 1.6cc engine as well , and not many ppl complaining…..as long as the refinemnet of the motor is there its good enough , unless those nutjobs who want to test see if the car can hit 200km/hr or not…at the end of the day , this is targeted at FAMILIES . not young bachelors or college students…or first time car buyers…
February 17, 2009 @ 8:06 pm
@nabill
Agree with you, top speed is not so critical for MPV but can you imagine cruising at highway speed at 4K+ RPM? As i said earlier, they can put a taller top gear to solve high RPM at highway speed but it will upset the power delivery.
With engine this small (Unless its turbo charged), user will suffer with a lot of compromise.
February 17, 2009 @ 8:07 pm
Too expensive, i thought at the 1st time it just only 60k to 70k, i rather by other’s than this cheap interior, moreover Toyota don’t even cost this much, 80k for this local MPV, forget it.
Guy’s it should be funny, y Malaysia produce expensive price for own Malaysian buyer’s, not just this MPV but all Proton car’s as well>
February 17, 2009 @ 8:13 pm
Avanza 1.3 but its real wheel drive. If its FWD, I don’t think it can go fast iwhen with 7 ppl aboard. Some ppl already say Vios with 5 ppl also need to push more, what more with 7 ppl but hey, RWD makes lots of difference.
Try pushing and pulling your sofa and you get what I mean.
February 17, 2009 @ 8:14 pm
I will look forward to Perodua MPV since the launching will be end of the year just wait lol, test drive this mpv see how it feel 1st, may be happy n may be dissapointed…………………….
February 17, 2009 @ 8:23 pm
Let’s see what Datuk Syed Zainal can really achieve.
This is the first all-new car from Proton under his management.
February 17, 2009 @ 8:40 pm
tak cantik……….depan cantik, belakang hampeh…..besala malaysia cipta semua macam tu….buat tu biar puas hati harga mahal pun tak kesah…tapi cantik….ini tengok kat disbort dia..manyak….kosong woo….meter tak habis2 ala saga dan gen 2..malas aku nak oder, korang nak beli pikir dulu la….baik aku ambik mazda 5 lagi cantik….tapi aku tengok rakyat begitu taksub nak tengok dan membeli….besala…nafsu tak pernah cukup apa yang ada, tak caya korang tengokla…tak lama lagi muncul pulak exora 2…….
February 17, 2009 @ 8:42 pm
Sorry for bashing,
but the Avanza 1.3 is totally crap.
Bad chassis, bad stability, ride&handling is more like a small lorry, ugly silly face at the front.
Bad engine, the auto gearbox have to constantly rev the engine over 4K rpm to get up to proper speed.
I sat in one for a trip before,
I mentioned the revs gone so high, thought the driver was gunning it,
but he said he wasn’t.
This is how the car actually drives.
My god.
I reserve my comment for the 1.5 VVT-i version.
Didn’t have a chance to be driven in one them.
Rear-wheel drive doesn’t really have any advantage over front-wheel drive
in terms of acceleration or pulling power for this type of car.
February 17, 2009 @ 8:44 pm
Congratulation to P1 with this new Proton Exora..next time no need to do the naming contest like this bcz make many malaysian waste their time thinking.
February 17, 2009 @ 9:08 pm
Hoho..tak sabar nak test drive.
Dah lama being quite sceptical about proton.
But after neo and exora rasa macam nak ‘buka pintu’ pada proton.
Tapi eko’nomoney’ sekarang tak ngam le.
Cukup le apa yg ada nampaknya..
February 17, 2009 @ 9:11 pm
Not underpowered, especially in KL.
I don’t understand about it being underpowered. 1.6 is nice enough for cruising. And has enough torque to drive around in KL. If one needs an overpowered car, why look at the Exora in the first place?
It’s an MPV. You put your family in there. You put your IKEA stuff in there. You put your pots of Beriani that you want to sell at the market in there. If you want something that’s powerful, at 80k, you can easily get a 5 year old Jap-Boi racer car with some leftover cash to do the repairs.
And who cares if it’s a flower name or not. My 6 submissions lost. I’m not bitter. I think it’s a nice name. Exora.
Kinda like a stripper name.
February 17, 2009 @ 9:20 pm
GUYS, 2 DAY IS A VERY SAD DAY FOR ME AS MY SUDMISSION DIDNT WIN ANYTHING. UPSET…REALLY UPSET.IS GONE..IT’S REALLY GONE.WANNA KNOW WHAT’S MY SUDMISSION? CHK THIS OUT:-
1) PROTON KANGKONG – GOT LOCAL VEGI N OUR NATIONAL CAR NAME.
2) PROTON KALANG KABUT – 2-3 MTHS AFTER LAUNCH, U WILL C A LOT’S
OF COMPLAIN DUE TO RUSH RUSH JOB, DEFECTS.
3) PROTON NASI LEMAK – NATIONAL FAV FOOD
4) PROTON NAJISLAH ( PM + TPM = NAJISLAH)
5) ETC……
SAD..SADDDDDDDDD ARGH)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ANYWAY, CONGRATULATION WINNERS.
February 17, 2009 @ 9:33 pm
CFA28
Avanza 1.3 but its real wheel drive. If its FWD, I don’t think it can go fast iwhen with 7 ppl aboard. Some ppl already say Vios with 5 ppl also need to push more, what more with 7 ppl but hey, RWD makes lots of difference.
Try pushing and pulling your sofa and you get what I mean.
Are u sure avanza rear wheel drive?
February 17, 2009 @ 9:46 pm
so wat it if its rear wheel drive…? that has no difference in power watsoever…some make it rear wheel drive to balance out the wieght of the car n if its FWD it becomes front heavy….bt if its engineered properly , a FWD mpv is jus as good…
February 17, 2009 @ 9:57 pm
kenapa nama tumbuhan? dalam syarat tak boleh….
saya sertakan petikan syarat>
3.Penyertaan hendaklah sama ada dalam bahasa Malaysia atau bahasa Inggeris dan mestilah:-
- Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan;
- Tidak mengandungi bahasa kasar atau kesat atau membawa konotasi tidak baik, seperti “Bodoh”;
- Boleh diterima secara komersial, contohnya “Proton Waja”;
- Mudah disebut, contohnya, “Proton Waja”;
- Mudah difahami dan dikenali oleh rakyat Malaysia;
- Tidak digunakan oleh mana-mana Pembuat Peralatan Tulen dalam bidang Pengangkutan (OEM), sama ada tempatan atau luar negara, pada tarikh 08/09/2008;
- Mempunyai maksimum tiga [3] suku kata sahaja. Contohnya, “Proton Persona”. Nama-nama yang dihantar yang melebihi tiga [3] suku kata akan ditolak secara automatik. Setiap peserta boleh menghantar lebih daripada satu [1] penyertaan melalui laman web atau SMS, TETAPI setiap pemenang hanya layak menerima satu hadiah sahaja
February 17, 2009 @ 9:58 pm
fwd or rwd is depends on function and purpose of the vehicle. rwd will add more weight because of the shafts to the rear…lets say 50 to 100 kilos..that a lot
February 17, 2009 @ 9:58 pm
Hi Paul,start from today,the word “Leave a comment” should change to “Basher column” or “shooting site”……Hehe:)
February 17, 2009 @ 10:00 pm
this is e real bull shit..
they made the rules, but they themselves cannot follow..
conclusion>> proton staff is lack of focus, i think if they have some plans or vision also they will not follow..haha
* when your are not the winner, this is what u said..hahahaha…
February 17, 2009 @ 10:08 pm
rwd = better handling?
February 17, 2009 @ 10:08 pm
The name is way better than any other names given to previous proton model…. the previous names for proton models sounds real low status… This new english kinda name is way better….. WoW guyz, not even 24 hours yet but the comments have reached mere 230 plus….. hahahaha….. I gotta shock seein this after gettin’ back from work….
February 17, 2009 @ 10:12 pm
BMW X6 is a better buy
February 17, 2009 @ 10:20 pm
hohohoho very da girlish….but of coz la…da winner is women wat…rite??
juz 1 comment…..da name sound alike da old tak laku one proton punya mpv previous this….PROTON EXORA = PROTON JUARA…..jgn kena badi juara udah ler…kang tak laku lagi….but nice work…juz price tu jgn a lebey2 bro
February 17, 2009 @ 10:20 pm
Cis….apara proton, sendiri buat rules tapi sindiri juga tarak ikut. Macam itu krajaan BN @ UMNO..tak boleh percaya langsung…MUNAFIK…
February 17, 2009 @ 10:24 pm
@Fridz
“OK to all bashers,you can bash all proton makes in constructive spirit.if you guys just complain to condemn it,then your child next 20yrs will ask “Did our Malaysian hv any technology of making a Car?then you can answer,”Oh,we Malaysian just buy it from Japan” or “We just PASANG JE KAT RAWANG”…”
__________________________________________________________________
Oh really?
What if your child next 20yrs still ask you, “Why our Msian national car still sucks so much compare to Toyota or Honda?” then you can answer, “Cos we give them so much protection and bailouts they never made any initiative to make any better car!”
LOL.
February 17, 2009 @ 10:29 pm
@not_ah_beng
Nicely put.
February 17, 2009 @ 10:35 pm
the price i get from the sales person is 72k to 76k
the price is for auto and no spec is mention
avanza can run is because the gear ratio
and which ever ppl who drive before a manual avanza ,you will notice that the car rev up very quick and no nit to press hard for higher rpm . when they do this type of arrangement to gear ratio, what you get is the car can moved around nicely but on the highway you will suffer from the high rpm . avanza 1.3 is doing 4k rpm for 11xkm/h. this made the car consumed a lot petrol in highway.
February 17, 2009 @ 10:44 pm
next time,proton must add one more condition in the naming contest:
-the name suggested must derived from Malay words.
remember,keagungan sesuatu bahasa bukan sebab bahasa itu yang hebat tetapi bergantung pada cara bagaimana bangsa yang menuturkan bahasa tersebut membuatnya menjadi hebat.
February 17, 2009 @ 10:55 pm
Aiman Tak Kisah said,
February 17, 2009 @ 2:57 pm
NutzeyWagen said,
February 17, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
PROTON EXORA : M-line RM70,400.00 H-line RM74,500.00……Comes with bluetooth/hands-free radio (yes you can plug your hp into the radio)..with caller ID. 8.5? TFT LCD DVD player @ the 2nd row…for viewing pleasure. Cabin size similar to Grandis. In-dash Gate-type gear lever n self-illuminating meter cluster. Hv separate rear aircond blower. Applies to both variants. The Exora is also packed wiyh unbelievable features….quality is GREAT! Before any of you bash me, go check it out 1st hand. It now uses a body-control-module (BCM) which is basically a printed circuit-board that reduces electrical components (eg. relays) n wirings. Therefore it reduces vendors too. The BCM is manufactured in Seberang Prai n functions like the i-Drive found in BMWs/Mercs. There are so much new features in the Exora that you’ll be SURPRISED! At least I was. You simply hv to check it out yourself.
The powertrain. Even I was skeptical at first, but now I say, TRY IT OUT FIRST, before you bash (I made that mistake). I really do hope that this is THE revival of P1.
P/S: Forget abt the competitors. Get this.
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Wow… i hope it is true… any picture to support your statement?
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Hello mate, this MPV specs still a secret dont u remember? my protonian friend’s tell me the same thing as what NutzeyWagen had revealed here…
r u named my kitten as “zena” NutzeyWagen? hm… i think i want a “kesatria” name… i choose “xena” the warrior princess… hahaha…
February 17, 2009 @ 10:56 pm
at not ah beng
Oh really?
“What if your child next 20yrs still ask you, “Why our Msian national car still sucks so much compare to Toyota or Honda?” then you can answer, “Cos we give them so much protection and bailouts they never made any initiative to make any better car!”
LOL”
OR
” what if ur child in next 20years ask you, ” Why Msian national car is dead”
and then u can asnwer, ” it’s because our MENTALITY son.
February 17, 2009 @ 10:58 pm
These bashers really tak puas hati….kutuk jer keje dia….kalau pandai sgt buat lah MPV sendiri n tunjuk la…..
MyBoy….ni nampak sgt penyokong perodua….dan agak2 pakai myvi…..what with the ‘innovations?’ thingy? U got problem with innovations? Or u think we r not capable of innovations? wait till u see the MPV, then u;ll know what INNOVATIONS are they…..
regarding crash, obviously we didn’t do Euro NCAP test (only waja went through EURO NCAP)….but we did it Spain…most Proton Cars Crash Test is done there….another thing when we talk about crash, we dont simply take the car and crash it sesuka hati….there is regulations for everything…same goes to crash….if it is said the vehicle has a crash standard EQUIVALENT to Euro NCAP 3 star, means the vehicle passed the crash test up the standard of the EURO NCAP 3 star….doesn’t mean u have to ask EURO NCAP to do it, it can be done by other parties as long the regulations is followed and adhered…..regulations cant be changed, it is standard…..countries in the middle east and so on, require vehicles sold there to have certain MINIMUM crash standard, and they use the European Crash std…..so if our cars tak pass, obviously we cant sell our cars there…..
Regarding, engine power and torque under full load…..haihhh….Malaysians….Proton is NOT STUPID LA….u think over 400++(maybe more) Enginneers and consultants didn’t think about this? Common guys be professional, and realistic in giving comments and opinions! OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE DONE THIS TEST- WITH FULL LOAD AND LUGGAGE LOAD SIMULATION! IT PASSED THE GENTING HILL CLIMBING WITH FLYING COLOURS! So what else do you guys want? TRY IT URSELF WHEN EXORA IS LAUNCHED!!!!!…..If it the engine was not gud enuf, obviously, we the 400++ Engineers and consultants would have find a solution….u all think we all running ‘kedai goreng pisang’ ka? to do half past six job? Malaysian’s and their assumptions they come up with….they always think they have figured out and know everything….Btw, just for comparison……NISSAN LIVINA 1.6….HAS 150NM(same with CPS) TORQUE AND 120 HP….no turbocharger….no force induction….WHY NOBODY COMPLAIN??? WHY???? WHY DOWAN TO BASH THE LIVINA? CAUSE ITS JAPENESE?
Cheers!
February 17, 2009 @ 11:04 pm
Wisdom said,
February 17, 2009 @ 5:01 pm
Sifu may i know the crash safety rating for this Exora?
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i hope it’s 5 stars..
February 17, 2009 @ 11:07 pm
@si-fu
I’m Perodua supporter? No I’m not. In fact I did bashed their latest offering: Viva.
So whos kidding who here?
February 17, 2009 @ 11:12 pm
pasal nama pun nak gaduh2 ke???
dah trademark proton hujungnya vokal a
automaker lain punya trademark taknak pulak
bash!
adat pertandingan,ada menang kalah
kereta pun blom klua lagi dah tau underpowerla
tin milo susula,enjin 1.6 ajela…wth
tu gran livina 1.6 senyap je bisu je
takde sape pertikaikan????
avanza tu sume cc dia bape??
1.3 1.5 je…
takde pulak nak bash bagai nak gila…
dah ada forummer sini give fact
regarding mpv ni,please readlah
please dont be bodoh sombongla
guys!…
February 17, 2009 @ 11:17 pm
@si-fu
As for crash test. I would say, stop kidding yourself! Even BMW sometimes got it wrong (during their internal test meant for Euro NCAP) and get lower score in actual Euro NCAP test and have to request for a re-test after some improvements.
Now you telling all the user in malaysia that Savvy 3-Star INTERNAL crash test is exactly the same as actual Euro NCAP 3-Star. Grow up man! Don’t make yourself look stupid just to cover up Proton incompetency.
I give credit where credit is due. Its the same way when I bash.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:22 pm
sifu, no need to be so angry lah
everybody have their on defination regarding got power or not
all thing will be clear after exora can be test drive.
maybe no ones in this post complain about the power of livina
but some owner say the 1.6auto will be a little underpower if 7ppl seated.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:26 pm
@si-fu
To the 400+ engineers and consultants. I’m not suggesting that you guys don’t know the issue. Its just you are limited to your capability, competency, Knowledge and above all, budget.
We do not intent put the blame directly on you guys. Instead we put it on the management and the company as a whole. You know what? Your management can’t even terminate vendors with many, many BAD record (don’t believe me? Ask Uncle Chips Yap or you can just read his posting in his forum) let alone perform a bigger task.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:27 pm
sifu,aku x paham la yang kat part ni,
NISSAN LIVINA 1.6….HAS 150NM(same with CPS) TORQUE AND 120 HP….no turbocharger….no force induction….
maknanya livina lagi power la sbb enjin biasa dah reach 150NM.bleh terangkan?
February 17, 2009 @ 11:28 pm
@mct
Livina 1.6 with full load is not just a little underpower. Its really, really under power.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:31 pm
@brutal_driverz
What he trying to say is that (regardless of the power-torque graph) the 1.6 Livina generate 150 Nm of torque (same as Proton 1.6 CPS) but its generate less power than Proton’s.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:33 pm
Alamak,all Proton forums are becoming emotional forum, Paul please do something!
February 17, 2009 @ 11:33 pm
Bil said,
February 17, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
Somehow i know,
the winner wont be other than Malay.
Other races dun stand a chance in this type of competition.
Ha ha
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hello mr. Bil elektrik… that because proton choose the “EXORA” name and that name was proposed by a malay’s named Norsholihan Bt Abdul Eanich and it’s not by you. The others malays also proposed almost the same name as IXORA, EXIRA and so on but they didn’t win the competition because proton did not choose that name.. It’s not about Proton’s being racist mr. Bil… dont try to involed a “racist issues” and becoming a new issue in here… we had enough with other issues such as “high taxes”, “coronies”, “goverment”, “japanese always good”, and so on when we had a discussing about PROTON. Dont be a racist… and please be mature….
February 17, 2009 @ 11:34 pm
sagaKNIGHT said,
February 17, 2009 @ 11:12 pm
pasal nama pun nak gaduh2 ke???
dah trademark proton hujungnya vokal a
automaker lain punya trademark taknak pulak
bash!
adat pertandingan,ada menang kalah
kereta pun blom klua lagi dah tau underpowerla
tin milo susula,enjin 1.6 ajela…wth
tu gran livina 1.6 senyap je bisu je
takde sape pertikaikan????
avanza tu sume cc dia bape??
1.3 1.5 je…
takde pulak nak bash bagai nak gila…
dah ada forummer sini give fact
regarding mpv ni,please readlah
please dont be bodoh sombongla
guys!…
you are the one’s who bodoh lah ,
avanza dan livina beberapa kg??
avanza hanya 1 ton lebih , livina maximum pun 1.28ton saja (1.8)
mpv ini 1.38ton , 100kg boleh buat berbezaan ,walaubagaimanapun kita tak tahu apa setting yang proton akan guna untuk exora, tunggu and test drive ia dulu . maybe it not as powerfull as you wish or vice versa
February 17, 2009 @ 11:37 pm
Actually this name is really not bad at all… it sounds unique
February 17, 2009 @ 11:39 pm
MyBoy said,
February 17, 2009 @ 11:28 pm
@mct
Livina 1.6 with full load is not just a little underpower. Its really, really under power.
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as i said , everybody have different term for power , maybe for you is underpower and other doesn’t
February 17, 2009 @ 11:42 pm
@sifu
“NISSAN LIVINA 1.6….HAS 150NM(same with CPS) TORQUE AND 120 HP….no turbocharger….no force induction….WHY NOBODY COMPLAIN??? WHY???? WHY DOWAN TO BASH THE LIVINA? CAUSE ITS JAPENESE? ”
very simple, bcos Livina managed keep fross weight below 1300kg in all version?so people trust nissan, but Exora 1380kg sure give people already in mind set, this car sure will have high fuel consumption, unless Exora can keep weight below 1300KG. just like in Gen2 cps, a official test by taiwan energy deptment, Gen2/persona fuel consumption is no different with 2.0L car. event some 2.0L more save petrol than persona
February 17, 2009 @ 11:44 pm
bertenang said,
February 17, 2009 @ 2:38 pm
“not consist of any form of the animal kingdom, or vegetation;”
“consist of” and “based on” are two different things, though not very far apart in this case.
EXORA is based on, but not consist of a floral name. So i don’t see any rules being broken here.
Just my two cents.
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you got it right…. that is the case…
ppl so easily confused by some words…. “consist of” and “based on” are two different things…
I believe some ppl realise it , it just that their judgement is clouded by their anguish cuz they did not win the competition… =p
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Try again your reasoning using the Malay translation. BTW, rules are for the stupid obedience but guidance of wise.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:46 pm
Proton Exora: the MPV Proton will launch! Proton Exora: Points of malaysians argument
haiya… dont gaduh2 ma… kita org malaysia, duduk kat malaysia, inilah yg kita kena hadapi… kalo xnak hadapi, pi dok kat negara lain… haiya…
Haiz…
February 17, 2009 @ 11:47 pm
@waja2000
Nicely put.
@si-fu
Eat that.
February 17, 2009 @ 11:50 pm
Oh really?
What if your child next 20yrs still ask you, “Why our Msian national car still sucks so much compare to Toyota or Honda?” then you can answer, “Cos we give them so much protection and bailouts they never made any initiative to make any better car!”
LOL.
-ah_beng
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What if your child next 20yrs ask you, “Why does our economy have to go down everytime Japan economy go bad or Yen appreciate?”
You can answer “Thats because i’m slaving myself to support their product. I luv lickin’ their cars. Of course their car was better because its more expensive. Nevermind we eat tapioca or instant noodle for the time being as long as we can own Japanese car. Just hold on son”
February 17, 2009 @ 11:52 pm
waja2000 said,
February 17, 2009 @ 11:42 pm
just like in Gen2 cps, a official test by taiwan energy deptment, Gen2/persona fuel consumption is no different with 2.0L car. event some 2.0L more save petrol than persona
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waja2000, can u give a prove or atleast any articles from any websites that can support ur staement please… i’m eager to know also mah…. dont bash me, i want to logoff after this…
haiz..
February 17, 2009 @ 11:55 pm
Whoaa…nice package la…
The front copy and paste from Mitsubishi Grandis, the side copy and paste from Toyota Wish…the back copy and paste from Honda Stream. Luckily didn’t take from caldina hahah…i think this is very smart…you get the best from all jap car leaders…sure high sales…
February 17, 2009 @ 11:59 pm
@aenz81
I’m not sure about his statement on Gen2/Persona But I can guarantee you that his statement about Livina is 100% correct.
Livina 1.6 MT: 1220KG
Livina 1.6 AT: 1245KG
Livina 1.8 AT: 1280KG (This is 1.8 Auto)
Don’t believe me? See it for yourself.
http://www.nissan.com.my/vehicles/GrandLivina/M_GrandLivina/techspecs/specifications5.html
February 18, 2009 @ 12:04 am
Wisdom said,
February 17, 2009 @ 11:50 pm
Oh really?
What if your child next 20yrs still ask you, “Why our Msian national car still sucks so much compare to Toyota or Honda?” then you can answer, “Cos we give them so much protection and bailouts they never made any initiative to make any better car!”
LOL.
-ah_beng
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What if your child next 20yrs ask you, “Why does our economy have to go down everytime Japan economy go bad or Yen appreciate?”
You can answer “Thats because i’m slaving myself to support their product. I luv lickin’ their cars. Of course their car was better because its more expensive. Nevermind we eat tapioca or instant noodle for the time being as long as we can own Japanese car. Just hold on son”
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lol…. just hold on son…. i dare to die just because of japanese stuffs…. lol…lol…. well said wisdom….
February 18, 2009 @ 12:08 am
Bil said,
February 17, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
Somehow i know,
the winner wont be other than Malay.
Other races dun stand a chance in this type of competition.
Ha ha
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oi mr. bill..
dun talk crap in the internet..
I dare u to say the a malay guy face 2 face
got ball or not?
everyone can say anything in internet
but in real life.. they r all coward
February 18, 2009 @ 12:09 am
Go to H*ll you F**ing racist. Be matured and responsible. This is an auto forum for god sake. When all Malay win something you said racist. When all your race win everything you say they deserve it. They work so hard etc. Who the h*ll is racist now. Malay doesnt deserve anything???
I hate this kind of attitude. Spark disharmony in our own country with racial remark. Can you guys realize that you living in multi-racial country. If you think your race is superior go to h*ll out from here. Live at the place where your ancestor came from. It surely be uni-racial country.
Give me prove to say its chronisme and racism in this contest. I bet the judges dont even get the chance to see contestant name. It just a name for god sake. and for Proton own product not yours. Up to them to take what ever name they like and it happens to be all Malay winners. Whats your problem??? BTW have you even graduated from school yet.. If not I forgive you…. and pity you.. for your lack of brain cells.. At least you r still growing..
February 18, 2009 @ 12:14 am
Journalist comment on Campro CPS:
‘Low-end torque availability has improved though, with both IAFM and CPS offering 139Nm at 3,000rpm to the older engine’s 128Nm at the same enginespeed. All this relates to a clean power band that was once a problem with the older engine.’
-Asian Auto
“The Waja, at the tender age of eight, also did well to be included in both nominations list, though it’s likely to be due purely to the strength of its 125bhp Campro CPS powerplant’
-Autocar
‘people will have to suffer with this 1.6 (STUPID) CamPro (Low Tech) CPS.’
-Myboy
so much with your ‘I give credit where credit is due’….
February 18, 2009 @ 12:15 am
criticize is ok but when the fact is right..but now myboy u bash on what base…the name… badge…the spec….or the actual product…u dont even see it yet not to mention drive it yet.so you judge on what facts… so i can conclude it as baseless comment.one more thing why sifu have to refer to chips yap?? is he working at proton…or chips yap 24/7 at proton rnd…or maybe he is one of the top management team…so funny…(u praise chips yap like he know everything, so sifu must refer to him) i am not attach directly to proton as a staff but i know every single problem arise during the project its, was taken seriously in professional manner…
February 18, 2009 @ 12:21 am
Congrats to Norsholihan Bt Abdul Eanich, you have kick out my proton mpv name suggestion..Damn you!huhu..Wanna sell your winning Exora?Sell it to me..
This base my comparison (not ideal)
Perodua MPV vs Proton Exora
Styling/Exterior: Both simple styling without striking design (malaysian taste) such bolted-nut on fender..(Result:Fair)
Interior: Big space, no cramped third row seat, better ICE, aircond vents at center, and not centered meter, Proton is better (Result:Proton win)
Handling: Without thinking Exora is win as it have been tuned by Lotus. Driving Perodua mpv is just like you driving Myvi (Result:Proton win)
Engine: Perodua with 1.5dvvt (timing chain, fuel efficient, variable valve timing, Toyota’s durability and realibilty) and Proton 1.6 CPS (timing belt that always need be change, variable valve lift, not really fuel efficient)… (Result: Perodua win but they didn’t learn anything, Proton can make it better in future. No improvement from perodua site in future)
Quality: Perodua have gud track record in term of quality. Proton under former Perodua’s diretor (Tuan Syed) maybe have done something (Result: Belum Try, Belum Tgk..belum tau)
So??the money is yours, if you have duit lebih buy better mpv, Stream ka, Odyssey ka.. I’m not gonna buy this bcoz i dont even have awek yet and better buy ranggi2 car to attract aweks…Just my 2 cents, Happy motoring to all
February 18, 2009 @ 12:21 am
guys jus talk about the car la , its a fun forum , dont go too emotional n blindly shoot….doesnt make u any smarter….WER ARE TALKING ABOUT EXORA , COMPARISONS,ENGINE,POWER,SPACE,BUILD QUALITY AND SO ON , NOTHING ELSE….
February 18, 2009 @ 12:22 am
aenz81
results sorry in chinese? but can see the column,
last 3 column is, City fuel consumtion, highway Fuel consumtion ,and last one is average . u can see compare G2 to Audi TT 2.0, for full report need go to download at ttaiwan energy dept. test using euro standard
Persona IAFM
http://news.u-car.com.tw/news-detail.asp?nid=8720
Gen2 iafm
http://news.u-car.com.tw/news-detail.asp?nid=8801
February 18, 2009 @ 12:25 am
@Wisdom
The journalist testing the CamPro CPS with what? With car right? Not an MPV.
I’m talking and bashing CamPro CPS when it is paired with MPV not when its on a CAR. So please don’t be STUPID and take my statement out of context.
February 18, 2009 @ 12:27 am
@chap_de_x
I only use Chips Yap name when i talk about how incapable Proton are when handling its vendors. Thats all. Go and READ my posting AGAIN!!!!
February 18, 2009 @ 12:27 am
saiful azman said,
February 17, 2009 @ 10:20 pm
Cis….apara proton, sendiri buat rules tapi sindiri juga tarak ikut. Macam itu krajaan BN @ UMNO..tak boleh percaya langsung…MUNAFIK…
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woi encik Saiful,
kalaau dah pandai sangat aku rasa ko better suruh la ko punya “Boss/Idola” tu pulak buat kereta,.. entah silap silap dia pun tak tau ‘mana satu depan, mana satu belakang,.. wa tak kisah beb semua kasi masuk..!’
jilat jilat jilat jilat !
February 18, 2009 @ 12:30 am
@nabill
One thing for sure. Exora is an OVERWEIGHT MPV coupled with a small 1.6 CamPro CPS engine.
February 18, 2009 @ 12:40 am
test the car n then comment
dun make a baseless accusation
dun talk bullshit
February 18, 2009 @ 12:46 am
@hax!
I guess some people don’t use their brain when talking. Exora have 100++KG more fat then its closest rival, Livina.
February 18, 2009 @ 12:47 am
IDEALLY , for a heavy car , a diesel is the perfect choice…bt since its not popular here , thats the only option , i have a feeling this EXORA first batch will come with 1.6 cps for maybe abt 2years , thn when proton come out with new waja or new perdana bigger cc engine,thn that time thy have a choice putting a bigger cc engine , 1.8cc or 2L engine….
but as sifu mentioned , unless u test drive , u cant tell the whole story , spec sheet can only tell u so much , a real life test drive is the one we should look for , id say , since thy tested out full load go genting , i tink its perfectly acceptable , wat more do u want? u gotta be relaistic , if avanza is a 1.3cc and lavina is same engine , thn proton is playing on the same playing field….i tink ur making too much of sting thats the norm in this class…btw the lavina 1.6 outsells the 1.8cc….indication customers are fine with it…
moral of the whole ting is , if u havent seen,tested the ting yet , u cant make a firm conclusion,talking abt chris yap , this guy keeps talking abt his past encounter with former managment of proton , at every oprotunity he mentiones it at SW forum, its like MOVE ON LA , LIFE GOES ON MAN ! like someone who never forgets his ex !
February 18, 2009 @ 12:48 am
@MyBoy….
Yela tu MyBoy…. Boy=budak2…
budak2…
February 18, 2009 @ 12:53 am
@nabill
I agree with you. Let us wait for the MPV to be launched and we can even test it along with Perodua MPV (when its available), Nissan Livina and others. But on paper, Exora doesn’t look that promising.
February 18, 2009 @ 12:59 am
Myboy,
How can you say… “one thing for sure…” when your claim is purely based on data/ facts on paper that is even not confirmed yet !?
Hey… test drive first lar than only you talk!
February 18, 2009 @ 1:01 am
i can provide the fc test by taiwan gov
the gen2 score average 13.2km/L city 11.4km/L highway 16.4km/L
nissan sylphy 2.0 cvt average 15km/L city 13.2km/L highway 18.0km/L
toyota altis 2.0 average 14km/L city 12.4km/L highway
toyota camry 2.0 average 12.3km/l city 10.4km/L highway 15.8km/L
honda civic 2.0 average 14.4km/L city 12.2km/L highway 18.3km/L
honda accord 2.0 average 12.4km/L city 8.9km/L highway 16.2km/L
nissan teana 2.0 average 10.6km/L city 7.7km/L highway 13.6km/L
prove : http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/
go find it your self by typing the car name
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/2032.html (sylphy)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/2438.html (civic)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/1980.html (accord)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/2042.html (teana)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/780.html (gen 2)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/1705.html (camry)
February 18, 2009 @ 1:02 am
@ND
Bro. I was talking about the weight lah bro.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:03 am
Hey bro ,u all have to cool down and don’t be racist.
Coz maybe syed hamid albar is watching here and use his idiot -ISA-
.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:07 am
I meant the weight too lar bro. The data mentioned in this blog might be / might not be true. Its not the formal data released by proton yet!
February 18, 2009 @ 1:08 am
@MyBoy
i personally estimated that Exora will use 10%~15% more than current Persona fuel consumption.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:11 am
@myboy
i have read all your comments..and when you call someone stupid..you must be smarter than him…or you must give smart enough explaination to make the person you call stupid look stupid..but in your case..you look very stupid by calling others stupid…
first of all how do you know the car is overweight??is the official specs out yet??i dont think so!!
secondly..defined overweight???
then next..what do you mean by saying this MPV is underpowered??do you know the meaning of underpowered???
150Nm means it has 150 NEWTON x meter of pulling power…or in other words torque..its not easy to calculate the torque when its for vehicle because its based on torque curves..maximum power,maximum torque..power on wheels and etc…so by looking at those number you cannot determine if its underpower or what unless you know CERTAIN FACT or DYNO test the power on wheel and etc or knowing the GEAR ratios…without this facts its impossible for you to determine if its underpower or what…
let me give you an example…lets say(an example not fact but just an assumption of mine so that people here might understand)
say nissan livina has 150 Nm of torque at 6000 rpm…and do you think people will drive it at 6000 rpm all the time when its on a full load??no dont you??
and if protons mpv has 140Nm of torque at 3000 rpm which is about 90km/h and livina has 120Nm of torque when it reaches 3000 rpm…which means proton will do better of at that speed…its based on the torque curve..its not easy as you think!!
so dont talk like you have known everything when you know nothing yet!!let proton launch the MPV then test drive it…have a feel of the power and if its underpower then we can say it is…dont assume then call people stupid cause you will look more stupid if you do that!!
February 18, 2009 @ 1:23 am
@waja2000
Yeah, I’m not surprise if its slightly more than that. Those Proton diehard don’t even dare to contest your fact about Gen2/Persona FC.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:24 am
@myboy
100kg more doesnt mean its overweight….use your brain 1st myboy!!
if you say its heavier then i agree but overweight is not a right term!!
chips yap was talking about the engine..did he say the car made the engine better??can a car make the engine better??
as far as i know a better engine would make a better car
@waja2000
dont give bullshit facts here….proton’s campro cps is one of the most powerful 1.6 engine around..and FC is based on how much power it gives with certain amount of fuel…so its impossible to be worst than 2.0 engine..if its possible..then show us proof…
if like that then proton saga which can achieve 16km per litre is the most Fuel efficient 1.3 engine is it??
give facts la k..dont simply spoil proton’s or any other companies name by creating rumours..
i also can say some company in bangladesh has proven that cps engine is the most fuel efficient engine in its class…but if i dont have a proof..no one will believe it…
February 18, 2009 @ 1:26 am
Nissan Grand Livina 1.6 Auto
1245kg
HR16DE (no variable valve timing / lift)
105hp
150Nm at 4,400rpm
84.34bhp per tonne
RM88K
Nissan Grand Livina 1.8 Auto
1280kg
MR18DE
126hp
174Nm at 4,800rpm
98.44bhp per tonne
RM98K
Toyota Avanza 1.5S Auto
1120kg
3SZ-VE from Daihatsu
109hp
141Nm at 4,400rpm
97.32bhp per tonne
RM77.1K
(Rush similar with additional 200kg weight + RM10k)
Toyota Innova 2.0G auto
1575kg
1TR-FE
136hp
182Nm at 4000rpm
86.35bhp per tonne
RM109K
Chery Eastar 2.4 auto
1505kg
4G64 (from Mitsubishi)
127hp
198Nm at 3000rpm
84.39bhp per tonne
RM82K (to date)
Naza Citra Rondo EXS
1590kg
GEMA engine
145hp
189Nm at 4250rpm
91.2bhp per tonne
RM89K
Toyota wish 1.8
1320kg
1ZZ-FE
130hp
170Nm at 4200rpm
98.48bhp per tonne
RM120K above at you nearest grey importer
Honda Stream 1.8 auto
1385kg
R18A
137hp
174Nm at 4300rpm
98.92bhp per tonne
RM146K
Proton Exora 1.6 auto
1300kg (est)
Campro 1.6 CPS
125bhp
150Nm at 4500rpm
96.15bhp per tonne
RM75K est.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:27 am
@waja2000
i personally estimate your level of knowledge of FC is next to nothing!!
February 18, 2009 @ 1:30 am
prem3377 your assumption is not working
livina have a earlier maximum torque compare to exora
4400rpm vs 4800 rpm and it is minimum 100kg less , 100kg can make a different , you might think 100kg only what . but in reality it make much different , just like you belt up your seatbelt , it a small thing but it can save your life .
i am trying to get both dyno pic
February 18, 2009 @ 1:32 am
@Prem3377
I’m not saying that I’m smart. It just you look stupid if you try to defend things that can’t be defended (I was talking about the INTERNAL crash test Star rating, so don’t take it out of context). Let him answer my question first then I will answer yours.
As for your comparison, why can’t you just take the Livina actual torque number instead of putting it @6000 RPM? And don’t forget to take its weight into consideration.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:34 am
MyBoy said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:23 am
@waja2000
Yeah, I’m not surprise if its slightly more than that. Those Proton diehard don’t even dare to contest your fact about Gen2/Persona FC.
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do you know why??because its not a fact and he didnt mention any figures. so why contest with someone who come up with bullshits and assumptions??
yeah i am not surprise as well…cause both of you have been calculating FC all day long by smelling exhaust fumes…
please la wei…talk with sense…how do you get those figures??atleast state proton persona’s FC first..i wanna know..then we can assume about the MPV!!!
February 18, 2009 @ 1:36 am
Prem3377
@waja2000
i personally estimate your level of knowledge of FC is next to nothing!!
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@Prem3377
Then yours suppose to be second to none? So, can you tell me that this MPV FC is at least the same at the Gen2/Persona? No you can’t, right?
February 18, 2009 @ 1:38 am
prem3377 :
i have already post a comparison between many 2.0 vs 1.6 gen2 and the system doesn’t show it !! wait till you see it
wisdom , use some new fact please , have ppl indicated the mpv weight 1380kg , don’t always write 1300kg it is impossible as waja already close to this figure
February 18, 2009 @ 1:39 am
@mct
Of course he will not going to take the actual figure or else he risk making Exora looks BAD.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:41 am
@myboy
you cant be driving in town with 4400 rpm…and at 4400 is where the maximum torque is delivered…you dont know how much is deliver at around 2000 rpm till 2500 where its an average for city driving…or 2700 to 3000 which is for highway cruising…
its all in torque curve..some latest turbo engine are producing maximum torque at merely 1800rpm..and some latest engines are producing mere 20% of its torque at 1800 rpm…
so since we dont have time or the software to calculate the actual torque at our usual driving RPM so we cant assume that nissan is better than proton or vice versa!!!so DONT ASSUME
February 18, 2009 @ 1:41 am
mct said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:01 am
i can provide the fc test by taiwan gov
the gen2 score average 13.2km/L city 11.4km/L highway 16.4km/L
nissan sylphy 2.0 cvt average 15km/L city 13.2km/L highway 18.0km/L
toyota altis 2.0 average 14km/L city 12.4km/L highway
toyota camry 2.0 average 12.3km/l city 10.4km/L highway 15.8km/L
honda civic 2.0 average 14.4km/L city 12.2km/L highway 18.3km/L
honda accord 2.0 average 12.4km/L city 8.9km/L highway 16.2km/L
nissan teana 2.0 average 10.6km/L city 7.7km/L highway 13.6km/L
prem3377 do you have anything to say now ??
February 18, 2009 @ 1:44 am
@mct
I assume 1380KG is for Auto (correct me if I’m wrong)
Livina 1.6 Auto is 1245KG
Thats a staggering 135KG different in weight. Its like you are carrying extra 2 adult passenger. Would that make Exora look Good, prem3377?
February 18, 2009 @ 1:46 am
@mct
Bro, I think that bloke already cabut lah bro. He scared to death.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:47 am
MyBoy said,
February 18, 2009 @ 12:30 am
One thing for sure. Exora is an OVERWEIGHT MPV coupled with a small 1.6 CamPro CPS engine.
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Refer attached spec comparison (including price) of most available MPV on Malaysian market. See line 6 of each model, power:weight ratio. Compare with estimated figures for Exora.
You’re not blind. You’re a waste. Should’ve been swallowed during ‘that’ process last time. Cant believe you’re the fastest among those millions…
February 18, 2009 @ 1:48 am
@myboy
and about internal crash test..it doesnt mean its always worst than euro NCAP
understand…NCAP is not the only crash test department on earth..mind that…
and its not necessary to get an NCAP crash test rating or its written anywhere that NCAP rating is a must nor its the most accurate…
internal crash test are usually more demanding than NCAP..and i have facts to back it up!!
go check honda and toyotas crash test requirements..go check volvo,go check renaults…some are crashing their car at 64 km/h already…
and since euro star rating is important to sell in europe..i think proton savvy,waja and persona is already selling in europe..so they have all passed the crash test!!!
so think again..who is stupid!!!!
February 18, 2009 @ 1:49 am
@Prem3377
You must have ignore my post regarding the power-torque curve. You think we don’t know that? Sorry lah bro, nowadays even orang kampung know the fact. They buy your car just because they can’t afford other brand (because of our tax structure) not that they think your car is good.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:51 am
@myboy
and since you can answer on behalf waja2000 i have all the rights to answer for sifu or anyone else here!!!
February 18, 2009 @ 1:52 am
Proton Exora 1.6 auto
1380kg (est)
Campro 1.6 CPS
125bhp
150Nm at 4500rpm
90.58bhp per tonne
RM75K est.
Wasnt that bad…
February 18, 2009 @ 1:55 am
@Prem3377
Your beloved company bragging about their 3 Star (supposedly) Euro Ncap when in reality its an internal test. Now who is being STUPID?
Crash test at higher speed doesn’t mean Proton’s car is good. Even today proton can crash test their car at 100KM/H. But of course, the result will be devastated.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:55 am
Wisdom said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:47 am
MyBoy said,
February 18, 2009 @ 12:30 am
One thing for sure. Exora is an OVERWEIGHT MPV coupled with a small 1.6 CamPro CPS engine.
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Refer attached spec comparison (including price) of most available MPV on Malaysian market. See line 6 of each model, power:weight ratio. Compare with estimated figures for Exora.
i dunno if it is overweight , but i am sure that more torque is better to pull the vehicle , maybe you should do a torque to weight ratio data for those car as well , then we will see the winner
February 18, 2009 @ 1:56 am
@myboy
You must have ignore my post regarding the power-torque curve. You think we don’t know that? Sorry lah bro, nowadays even orang kampung know the fact. They buy your car just because they can’t afford other brand (because of our tax structure) not that they think your car is good.
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at least org kampung like us actually work our ass up to buy a car than like u. who are depending on their laoban FAMA to buy a car for them
February 18, 2009 @ 1:56 am
MyBoy said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:36 am
Prem3377
@waja2000
i personally estimate your level of knowledge of FC is next to nothing!!
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@Prem3377
Then yours suppose to be second to none? So, can you tell me that this MPV FC is at least the same at the Gen2/Persona? No you can’t, right?
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i cant tell you cause i dont know the MPV is not out yet for god sake!!!..and that what i have been trying to say…DONT ASSUME IF YOU DONT KNOW!!!tell your fren waja2000 and read it yourself too!!!!
February 18, 2009 @ 1:59 am
@Wisdom
Why did you do a power/weight ratio when even Proton diehard saying that torque is more important for an MPV. Tell you what, why don’t we go for Torque/Weight instead (better still if you can provide POWER-TORQUE graph).
February 18, 2009 @ 2:02 am
MyBoy said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:55 am
@Prem3377
Your beloved company bragging about their 3 Star (supposedly) Euro Ncap when in reality its an internal test. Now who is being STUPID?
Crash test at higher speed doesn’t mean Proton’s car is good. Even today proton can crash test their car at 100KM/H. But of course, the result will be devastated.
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are you too dumb or what??dont you know proton waja was tested by euro NCAP and was given a 3star????
use your brain abit la please!!!dont make yourself stupid by acting smart!!!
what i meant was internal crash test are always more stricter than those NCAP test..its a fact….if NCAP test your car at 50km/h…internal crash test test it at 54 km/h or maybe 60km/h
and nowadays crash tests are done in computer first..so dont assume NCAP is better than internal….and this is a FACT…unlike your dump and asumptions!!!
February 18, 2009 @ 2:03 am
@hax!
That is exactly what I’m saying. Orang kampong know which car is good. Its just Proton is the cheapest, not that they really like it.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:05 am
WOW, FASTEST GROWING COMMENT!
February 18, 2009 @ 2:08 am
mct said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:41 am
mct said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:01 am
i can provide the fc test by taiwan gov
the gen2 score average 13.2km/L city 11.4km/L highway 16.4km/L
nissan sylphy 2.0 cvt average 15km/L city 13.2km/L highway 18.0km/L
toyota altis 2.0 average 14km/L city 12.4km/L highway
toyota camry 2.0 average 12.3km/l city 10.4km/L highway 15.8km/L
honda civic 2.0 average 14.4km/L city 12.2km/L highway 18.3km/L
honda accord 2.0 average 12.4km/L city 8.9km/L highway 16.2km/L
nissan teana 2.0 average 10.6km/L city 7.7km/L highway 13.6km/L
prem3377 do you have anything to say now ??
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where do you get this facts??i want to know!!any website or links???
and how do you know its true??why do they compare a 2.0 car with a Gen2??it doesnt make sense at all…
this figures can be edited..and why gen2 a single 1.6 car in the test??
February 18, 2009 @ 2:08 am
mct said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:55 am
Wisdom said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:47 am
MyBoy said,
February 18, 2009 @ 12:30 am
One thing for sure. Exora is an OVERWEIGHT MPV coupled with a small 1.6 CamPro CPS engine.
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Refer attached spec comparison (including price) of most available MPV on Malaysian market. See line 6 of each model, power:weight ratio. Compare with estimated figures for Exora.
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i dunno if it is overweight , but i am sure that more torque is better to pull the vehicle , maybe you should do a torque to weight ratio data for those car as well , then we will see the winner
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i didnt know if your doing any engineering study but torque vs weight calculation is not as simple as torque divide by weight. As oppose to power: weight ratio, usually related to max engine output per weight where engineers can usually dictated absolute speed/momentum/useful for aerodynamic calculation. But torque… depends on linearity will have different results on different weight, and affect absolute acceleration figures.
But as always u can just simply divide torque & weight figure to continue you’re ‘kampung’ style bashing. Some could believe it if you’re lucky.
Aaa look! your brain is trying to think!
February 18, 2009 @ 2:10 am
Prem3377 said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:51 am
@myboy
and since you can answer on behalf waja2000 i have all the rights to answer for sifu or anyone else here!!!
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@Prem3377
No problem bro, if you know head and tail.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:12 am
oi myboy,
i see a lot of rich family buy proton saga as 2nd car?
so.. what do u say about that?
they have money and they can choose and they choose Proton instead
February 18, 2009 @ 2:15 am
MyBoy said,
February 18, 2009 @ 2:05 am
@Prem3377
Hey Smart@$$. Next time don’t interrupt my conversation with him if you don’t know head and tail. I was talking to him about Savvy for god sake.
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hey smartest @$$ you said proton cars…read again your post that you wrote in reply of my comment..i dont see any savvy…you said proton cars…and proton cars are tested in spain..so how do you consider that as internal??? and i already told you…ncap is not the ultimate crash test department!!!!!!!so why a big fusss?????
i will reply you tomorow…we will see what dumb comments you will post after this…good nite!!
February 18, 2009 @ 2:17 am
yah agree with wisdom….calculate all you can..but end of the day its not gonna be true…so why bother??
February 18, 2009 @ 2:18 am
@Prem3377
Since you at first was replying on Si-Fu’s behalf, you should have read the earlier post. Good nite nice@$$.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:19 am
Wisdom said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:47 am
MyBoy said,
February 18, 2009 @ 12:30 am
One thing for sure. Exora is an OVERWEIGHT MPV coupled with a small 1.6 CamPro CPS engine.
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Refer attached spec comparison (including price) of most available MPV on Malaysian market. See line 6 of each model, power:weight ratio. Compare with estimated figures for Exora.
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i already tell you to watch out for my post .
i already post 1 post complete with link and this is tested by taiwan gov , not some cheapo mag . every car have to go through this test and this test based on euro standard .
February 18, 2009 @ 2:21 am
taiwan gov? taiwan government?
February 18, 2009 @ 2:22 am
@mct
Bro, I think he ‘missed’ your post on purpose. Because if he doesn’t, it will make CamPro looks BAD.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:24 am
@Wisdom
I pray you will.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:24 am
why campro cps 1.6 huh..?
why not campro cps 1.8 or 2.0?
why??why??
February 18, 2009 @ 2:39 am
mct said,
February 18, 2009 @ 1:01 am
i can provide the fc test by taiwan gov
the gen2 score average 13.2km/L city 11.4km/L highway 16.4km/L
nissan sylphy 2.0 cvt average 15km/L city 13.2km/L highway 18.0km/L
toyota altis 2.0 average 14km/L city 12.4km/L highway
toyota camry 2.0 average 12.3km/l city 10.4km/L highway 15.8km/L
honda civic 2.0 average 14.4km/L city 12.2km/L highway 18.3km/L
honda accord 2.0 average 12.4km/L city 8.9km/L highway 16.2km/L
nissan teana 2.0 average 10.6km/L city 7.7km/L highway 13.6km/L
prove : http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/
go find it your self by typing the car name
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/2032.html (sylphy)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/2438.html (civic)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/1980.html (accord)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/2042.html (teana)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/780.html (gen 2)
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/1705.html (camry)
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hm you ask why 1.6 gen2 is alone ? this is due to you, because you wanted fact to back up the comment made by waja2000. so i give many 2.0 car to prove that 1.6 gen2 is a greater fuel sucker then 2.0 car .
since you like to see 1.6 car test………..
here there are
gen 2 1.6 avg 13.2km/1 city 11.4km/l higway 16.4km/1
mitusbishi colt plus 1.6 avg 16.8km/l city 15.1km/l highway 19.5km/l
mazda 3 1.6 avg 13.6km/l city 11.9km/l highway 16.5km/1
toyota altis 1.6 avg 14.7km/l city 12.6km/l highway 18.3km/l
nissan latio 1.6 avg 16km/l city 13.7km highway 20.3km/l
mitsubishi lancer 1.8 avg 15.4km/l city 12.9km/l highway 20km/l
still , gen2 is the worst on FC test
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_spec/id/1775.html colt
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/1466.html mazda 3
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/780.html gen2
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/1814.html altis
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/2119.html latio
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/2135.html lancer
February 18, 2009 @ 2:44 am
aku rasa bole wat buku korg punyer komen2 nih…
February 18, 2009 @ 5:57 am
Nice name. Congrats proton on producing a nice affordable MPV.
BTW just curious after reading all those long comment is this MyBoy being paid to bash the MPV? seems like I always see him replying after a few comment non-stop.
Cheers~
February 18, 2009 @ 7:01 am
Haiya……stop condemn each other la….wait until april and when they lunch the car you can test drive after that you can give comment….If you think you are very good….design your own car and engine la….design enjin mesin rumput pun tak tau nak bising2 pulak…
February 18, 2009 @ 8:09 am
well,what can i say..typical M’sian. Bla..bla..bla..even none ever seen em’ in flesh..prfftth!
February 18, 2009 @ 8:09 am
this is 7 seaters mpv with 1.6L engine(at least).
sure can climb genting?
proton asked naza to trim down their rondo to make this mpv same par or better (interior)
avanza/fortuner/rush are all mpv/suv but ride like a van
bumpy rock n roll!!
February 18, 2009 @ 8:16 am
300++ Comment already? Surely most anticipated Proton.
February 18, 2009 @ 8:26 am
Proton Saga <– from pokok saga –vegetation. should be SEGA ? he he
Proton Exora <– from Ixora – flower@vegetation — become Exora
E – electronic like e-mail, e-card, eeeee..takutnye also can consider E… they are using I-Drive technology like BMWs? Why not E-Drive Technology? hehe..
but… seems that some Malaysian cannot spell alphabet R very well, maybe they will pronunciate it as Ei + Zo + La..
one more thing, if Ixora original sound is E–zoh –rah, why Exora not become Air + Zoh+rah? Any english teacher here ? hehe
and one more thing, any NICK NAME for this Exora, Vios got its name as DUGONG.. so, this Exora become…? Proton Buntut Besar.. hehe..
But i think this is a good job from P1, if the economic goes very well this year, it can sell very well.
February 18, 2009 @ 8:54 am
Nissan Grand Livina 1.6 Auto
1245kg
HR16DE (no variable valve timing / lift)
105hp
150Nm at 4,400rpm
84.34bhp per tonne
RM88K
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Proton Exora 1.6 auto
1300kg (est)
Campro 1.6 CPS
125bhp
150Nm at 4500rpm
96.15bhp per tonne
RM75K est.
Kira ok la… i’ve drive Livina 1.6 and its still enjoyable.. just hope Exora more more enjoy.
February 18, 2009 @ 8:56 am
namanya awal2 lagi tidak menepati syarat2 pertandingan.. ada sesiapa rajin protes kat forum2 di akhbar2?..
February 18, 2009 @ 8:57 am
tak kisahlah Exora ka Ixora ka.. tetap dari tumbuhan..
February 18, 2009 @ 9:21 am
I was never a Proton supporter but I think that ppl who want to buy a (real) MPV and want good fuel consumption should get their priorities right. Unless you are buying a diesel or hybrid MPV.
Firstly what do you mean by good FC. Better than a current sedan. Then which sedan are you comparing to? Vios / City which is well known for fuel effciency. In fact, its a foregone conclusion that a MPV will normally consume more fuel than a sedan.
I know, many ppl will flame me but a Grand Livina is not an MPV. Its more like a station wagon with 3 rows of seats. Please do also note that the GL third row is a bench and ETCM is giving the el-cheapo “drum brakes”. It also looks and behaves more like a sedan than a MPV but can fit 3 rows because there is almost no boot space.
If the MPV is too light, ppl will also complain that its a milo tin. If its more solid and thus weighs more, ppl will complain its too heavy. Of course, the secret to build a lighter MPV, is to use more high quality steel (and perhaps some composite materials) and other more technical stuff like that but then again, the price will definately be more than RM80,000 (USD23,000 based on USD1:RM3.5).
The other problem is that Proton does not have economies of scale. If Proton can sell more than 1 million units of this MPV a year, the price can be lowered to perhaps even RM60K.
Unless you always carry seven ppl very often, don’t buy a MPV, you can always use 2 cars to ferry 7 ppl if its only like 1 time a week or 1 every 2 weeks. I know of ppl who do that – use 2 cars when necessary and hang on to their old cars.
February 18, 2009 @ 9:34 am
tak leh murah lagi keeeeeeerrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 18, 2009 @ 9:37 am
asal tak 1.8cc….??? kalau setakat 1.6cc rege 60~70K ok la aku nak beli….
February 18, 2009 @ 9:39 am
if u know some about cars, doesnt mean that u know all details about cars… even automotive engineers is specialize at certain area and not all (engine, transmission, chasis, steering, brake etc)… mechanics mostly know how to tune cars, but not designing cars (so, they talk not all correct also)…
some of us bash here and there, yet not testing it personally, but already gives comment like they are the one who designs the car, crashing the car… and put the word SURE, CONFIRM, MUST bad…the best is sure_ah_beng can predict this mpv sale will be lower than not-yet-seen-p2-mpv… hahaha…
but, lately, i dont see anyone talking about power windows… hmm this good… but, more to interior quality and FC… another things to do… KAIZEN!!! YOSH!!!
February 18, 2009 @ 9:45 am
Jaga2 bodyroll when fully loaded.When take slightly fast u-turn or masuk simpang,then with this MPV, with u, with ur passenger will baring atas jalan.Kiokk!!
February 18, 2009 @ 9:46 am
CFA28 i agree with your ‘priority’ comment. Some people here wants a big Proton MPV with feather like weight so it will be very fuel efficient, in the same time have a solid (not milo tin like) body, and very good crash safety rating. They got confused in their priority coordination for the sake of bashing..
February 18, 2009 @ 9:51 am
Interesting comments!!!
Please let me tell a little bit about my background.
As a freelance technician and working in Japan for almost 1 year now. I also work in UK for 9 months before. In total I’ve been working abroad for almost 5 years now.
I’m really proud of Proton’s achievement so far. There are always rooms for further improvement.
I’m always proud when I can see our nation would be able to produce a good and improving cars.
Proud to see our proton cars in the UK, South Africa and some other countries. They regards our proton cars as a good import cars just like us admiring other import products from Japan or Europe’s (except for China’s cars of course).
Way to go protonians/malaysian. Personally I’ll support Proton.
February 18, 2009 @ 10:00 am
haro said,
February 18, 2009 @ 8:09 am
proton asked naza to trim down their rondo to make this mpv same par or better (interior)
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huh??????? Are you for real…? Are you saying that Proton is controlling NAZA…???? OMG….
Dun make baseless and false accusation… It might lead to court case….
NAZA trimmed down their rondo to make it cheaper….
February 18, 2009 @ 10:01 am
BlackJKX said,
February 18, 2009 @ 9:45 am
Jaga2 bodyroll when fully loaded.When take slightly fast u-turn or masuk simpang,then with this MPV, with u, with ur passenger will baring atas jalan.Kiokk!!
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Johorean right? Pity u bought your black JKX a bit early, if not u still stand a chance for this year’s few exciting new models including this Exora. Envious statement wasn’t it?
February 18, 2009 @ 10:03 am
Even PERODUA trimmed down toyota cars to make it cheaper…..
Are you gonna say that PROTON told them to trim down those toyota cars too???
February 18, 2009 @ 10:08 am
Paul, aren’t you sick with these emotional people?
How bout this. Let us all wait for the MPV to be launched, before we can comment on it. If you have any ideas, please respect other conflicting ideas from other people. No need to be rude, swearing here and there. I’m hoping for more informational comments from si-fu. Keep em coming.
February 18, 2009 @ 10:11 am
mct said,
http://tw.autos.yahoo.com/newcar_trim_overview/id/780.html gen2
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i think its a gen2 with bare campro. maybe you need campro cps for that gen2.
February 18, 2009 @ 10:28 am
about the naming contest, the rules regarding the name are likely not laymen term. i’m no lawyer, so i don’t know :sigh:
offtopic>>
macam2 komen ada
if i want to buy an mpv, it must have:
*good exterior.
*good handling.
*driver friendly interior.
*less FC.
*comfortable cabin environment.
*easy to service (available spareparts, SC).
choose wisely.
buy car/mpv/suv that suits u
*if ncap is really important, then plz study the ncaps’ of others.
*if big displacement is really a concern, plz choose others.
*if “tin milo” is not safe, go for “less-than-kereta kebal-grade-armor plating-bunker” for peace of mind.
i neither have a diploma in automotive eng. nor a diploma in automation eng.
February 18, 2009 @ 10:32 am
I thought my submitted one ..Proton Destina for destinasi or destination should win this naming contest…Well I guess i don’t have the Proton head then..
February 18, 2009 @ 10:35 am
Well 1.6 cps might not be my choice for this MPV. Neither do proton. The fact is 1.6 cps is the highest output engine they have in their stable now and no matter what they have to use this engine for the MPV. Or else they have to wait till 2010 2011 when the turbo is ready. You dont want to wait till 2010 do you?
I am sure they will change the powertrain once they have the option, but now they just dont have. They have to tune and tweak the only engine they have now just to move the MPV. It is not perfect but they have no choice at the moment. I surely believe Proton engineers done their best within their constraint since this is their baby to. Never estimate the motivation of a dying company, especially when they know its not because of their incompetency. Its just because of their moron previous managements.
I personally think it will be underpowered and I surely will go for test drive with the skeptic. I do expect Proton to surprise me with this MPV. Otherwise, have the right as a consumer, I would not even think of buying it.
To myboy, your comment make me pity you. It shows how uneducated you are. Do you think if proton lingkup and no more high tax youll able to buy good Japanese car? all the fairlady evo imprezza? You have to realize good Japanese car cost a bomb with or without tax unless you think avanza is a good Japanese car.
I really blame Malaysia’s government for failing to educate people like you. Oh wait why blame government? Of course, any bad thing happen to us is because of government. Country needs to give everything we need in our live or else we bash till die
February 18, 2009 @ 10:44 am
LogicallyMad said,
February 18, 2009 @ 10:03 am
Even PERODUA trimmed down toyota cars to make it cheaper…..
Are you gonna say that PROTON told them to trim down those toyota cars too???
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Proton even told Tata India to trim down car as a whole globally so they came up with Tata Nano…
February 18, 2009 @ 10:56 am
proton exora.sound like perfume sprayer or soap je. proton not following a rules.i agreed with others.all a dam dam must be sack out.
i likeS a mpv named proton JATICA.
Any way, proton must down a price of MPV. too expensive.should come
RM55-RM65k.engine was developed.it not new engine.
February 18, 2009 @ 10:59 am
so bising la Myviboy
I think savvy not get 3 star ncap they not test it yet.
they just had TUV certified.
viva and myvi not even tested, but what i know, both car mostly badly broke in accident… include death of the drivers.
at least, savvy proven tough body shell.
the taiwan cpmparison I believe was only on previous old CamTakPro. for new gen campro.. iafm etc, the fc are better. The saga FC are the best for now. (im not talking about good fc but underpowered and unsafe viva)
If the proton bad in FC, they have a good handling that other car not had. vice versa.
and again!.. I dislike Chips Yap, he biased to hate proton.. why?
You please check.. most of the protons car review (front page), he will make a forum post (hiddenly – for people to bash it) and that makes proton look bad. .Others car = no forum post ie : for you (basher) to comments. I just noticed it since years ago..
Maybe just me or accidentally.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:05 am
@dzulx
Bro, I do agree with the first part of your post. Yes, Proton have no choice. Why can’t the Proton diehard just admit the fact instead of make themselves look silly just to defend things that can’t be defended.
As for your comment about the Jap car still cost a bomb even without our high tax structure, its really make you sounds uneducated too.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:10 am
exora seem like for doedorant brand ( ubat ketiak )
February 18, 2009 @ 11:12 am
@bmpower
Agree with you on Myvi and I happen to bash Myvi too. But at least they did not do an advertisement and brag about safety rating that they don’t even have.
As for the forum. Have seen the forum? Over there we bashed everything that is not as good as advertise and also things that are not practical (e.g: pairing a heavy MPV with engine that only good for cars) and my other things.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:12 am
ej@n
Bagus tu, biar dia org bergasak komen dulu. Kete tak kuar lagi!
February 18, 2009 @ 11:16 am
@bmpower
As for Taiwan comparison. Even if the engine tested was 1.6 CamTakPro, its still post a result that is worst than many 2.0 engine. So at best the 1.6 CamPro CPS should be on par instead of worst than other 2.0 engine. Then again, its 2.0 that we are talking about. FC for 1.6 engine that on par with 2.0 engine is surely a BAD thing.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:16 am
i heard from toyota salesman that myvi 7 seater will be launches after exora
( deodorant brand )
February 18, 2009 @ 11:17 am
bertenang said,
February 17, 2009 @ 2:38 pm
“not consist of any form of the animal kingdom, or vegetation;”
“consist of” and “based on” are two different things, though not very far apart in this case.
EXORA is based on, but not consist of a floral name. So i don’t see any rules being broken here.
Just my two cents.
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you got it right…. that is the case…
ppl so easily confused by some words…. “consist of” and “based on” are two different things…
I believe some ppl realise it , it just that their judgement is clouded by their anguish cuz they did not win the competition… =p
_________________________________________________________________________
contest ni untuk ‘naming mpv contest’ ke ‘ pemahaman syarat contest’?
February 18, 2009 @ 11:18 am
Cars are expensive in Malaysia for 2 reasons, the first is due to our currency. The good old days was USD1:RM2.5 compared to now USD1: RM3.5. That means that our ringgit has depreciated by almost 40%. The comparison will be the same vs the Yen or Pound.
Secondly is also the tax structure. The City without tax would only be RM55K to RM60k without taxes in Langkawi . That is cheaper than with taxes but still expensive for a entry level car. For car prices to drop further, its either our RM must appreciate of sales volume must be higher. Both are impossible in the current economic condition but of course, if economy drop further, dealers will give discounts but would the average Joe dare to commit when his job is also not stable / secure.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:20 am
@MyviBoy
what things cant be defended? and what is actually that u defend?
if u have test the car, then i will admit all ur saying (FC, underpower, gear ratio and etc)…. but if it is only a say assumption… then no one can take it (except the proton-haters)… if u have the complete spec of the car
u bash on things that not yet driven… is it wise?
February 18, 2009 @ 11:23 am
@autojohndoe
Ok bro quite agree with you, let just wait for the MPV’s debut. As of now, just talk about the info that we already have.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:27 am
Wah…its good meh…in 24h..already 3++ comments…it shows that ppl really concern on P1…luckily it didnt go 2 either VAG or GM…otherwise all the dvlpment is kaput…and our local ppl will be kicked out of job…while other carmakers are struggling like hell…were a bit covered…still no good meh?… Now what happened 2 SE Detroit (Thai)? Many close shop..the local suffered.. Proton Exora..name itself speak for international market…othrwise P1 wont dare 2 change from Wira 2 Persona…This MPV not 4 racing ma…4 family lo.. Maybe later our Bomba or Polis will use it for their FAT (Fast Action Team) with some equipment…maybe the platform will be used 2 do replacement 4 Arena..who knows….save cost…even Jaguar itself refer Lotus 4 product dev. there’s the value of Proton..maybe they didnt realise bout it last time.. but at least its better late than never or otherwise they already become butterlake.. think broader meh…Support Msian Products..bad or good its still ours..chow
February 18, 2009 @ 11:28 am
i dun believe foreign cars are going cheaper if proton is no more.
*now we have proton, they tax high.later no proton, they tax even higher.
-becoz gov know people have to buy otherway.
-becoz foreign compny know they have lesser competitor.
for a nation to grow, it has to have the beginning&ending of a product.
not understand? let me explain.
we produce microchip, tyre, screws&nut, steel. we can sell those.
but if
we can give the combination of those into another added value product say a car, we can sell this car at higher price.
the benefit is that the demand for minute small things above will remain constant within the nation.
the idea is to be self-sustaining. we have the industry. keep it for ourselves.
we forgotten the agriculture for long time, now we realized that it is important. do we need to forget the industryl & repeat the mistake as in case of agriculture?
keyword: Self-Sustaining.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:29 am
@autojohndoe
As for thing that can’t be defended. Why can’t the supporters here just admit that Proton have no choice but to put an engine that is good for a car in a heavy (by its class) MPV? Hope they can expedite the turbo engine program.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:33 am
@farghmee
Did all developed country have their own Auto Industry? The answer is NO. Anyway, In this case I support Proton and I agree with your point. But that doesn’t mean We can’t bash them when they are not doing a good job.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:34 am
again…
worst = baddest
worse = badder than.. haha… badder is not in dictionary…
so, use the word wisely… when it mean “worst”… just like it is worse than ford lynx 2.0, legacy 2.0 etc, in fact it is not… in asean autobosch the Campro is efficient compared to chevrolet and hyundai…
February 18, 2009 @ 11:45 am
although everyone is entitled to their opinion, there is really no need to get overly emotional with the comments. this thread is about proton announcing the winner of the naming the mpv contest and judging from the number of comments, it looks like this mpv is generating a lot of excitements. i think the name proton exora is quite nice and thanx to all the informative comments.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:46 am
bmpower ?
if you read Chinese , then you can go below link check it your self , newest testing of fc on persona iafm and gen 2 iafm , no cps for taiwan market .
http://news.u-car.com.tw/news-detail.asp?nid=8720 persona iafm
http://news.u-car.com.tw/news-detail.asp?nid=8801 gen2 iafm
persona 1.6 auto score city 8.72km/l highway 12.89km/l avg 11km/l
persona manual score city 9.08km/l highway 15.4km/l avg 12.1km/l
even accord 2.0 is doing better then persona 1.6 at on city drive, hghway and avg.
as for gen2 iafm , its very disappointing . it score lower millage for 1 L of fuel then the previos gen2
February 18, 2009 @ 11:51 am
Hahaha myboy,
Such an idiot.. You think Japanese cars are cheap… How bout this. You go and live in Japan for 6 years take your second degree like I did. Then you come back and tell me whether you still think Japanese cars are cheap. Protons cars are neither cheap and frankly they can only sell because of Malaysia’s tax structure. Dont compare Japanese car made in Thailand.. they are reasonable if not overpriced.
Dream on boy to buy new evo once tax is relieved. You just can not get it. Just take civic hybrid for instance, after tax relieved the price still almost 130k. You call that what? Cheap? of course its cheaper than before at 160k++. The cars aint cheap myboy no matter what.
In fact you have to thank Proton since because of them you can get affordable foreign cars that does not affected by currency inflation. At least more and more cars are CKDed because of the policy protecting proton, and our automotive industry blooming quite well.
Just imagine in 1997 when our currency crashed. if we still importing cars, how many of us could not afford to buy car since the price doubled in just a matter of days.
Well myboy, I envy you. Your ability to be ignorant despite off all compulsory education in our country and Information Technology that we have and your determination to defense you ignorance is just awesome.
My advice practice you consumer right. Dont like proton dont buy. Like proton buy. The difference is not to much I think. It just depends on your priority. Car first or house first or live first. Status or necessity.
I just bought myvi SE although I hated it at first. I still hate its performance and handling even now but I start to appreciate and like it. The characteristic it has fits my requirement for second car which is neither performance nor handling. Hate to admit but im licking back my spit. But who cares I am happy. Maybe you will appreciate Exora if it does the same to you.
But obviously myboy, either you are not earning yourself to buy a car or you just a school boy. By all means go buy your love car even its not Proton. Proton MPV is just not created for you like Toyota Alphard is just not created for me.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:52 am
NO CONFIDENT WITH PROTON PRODUCT,MALAYSIAN USER IS PROTON WHITE RAT….
February 18, 2009 @ 11:53 am
hmm..
the term “good”, “bad” are all subjective & relative.
for those whose expectation standard is skyrocketing, proton looks bad.
for those whose expectation standard is sensible, proton looks ok.
as for me, sensible is fair enuff
February 18, 2009 @ 11:56 am
Bashing is not good.
Some complements and than follows by suggestions and ideas is much better.
Example like a boss/father/parents communicates to their staff/child/children, we should always established of their hard works and keep on telling them to improves.
Proton begins with rebadging/CKD of mitsubishi’s products and now already producing their own cars/MPV..
Go Proton go and make us/malaysian proud.
February 18, 2009 @ 11:57 am
do you guys know, rondo means JANDA in jawa
February 18, 2009 @ 11:58 am
off topic>>
the commentary in this channel has gone waayyyy out of the topic…. everybody hs degree in engineering, designing, commenting, bashing, 1st class honour…. way to go guys….
no body ask u guys to buy this p1 mpv… the choice is ur’s
February 18, 2009 @ 12:02 pm
Penyertaan hendaklah sama ada dalam bahasa Malaysia atau bahasa Inggeris dan mestilah:-
- Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan;
February 18, 2009 @ 12:14 pm
“Exora” sounds close to JUARA! I’m hoping it wont suffer the same fate as ‘the-now-defunct’ JUARA….
February 18, 2009 @ 12:15 pm
Real men don’t drive japs or mercs or bmws or other wannabes. Real men drive Trabants.
February 18, 2009 @ 12:23 pm
hmm wat happen to this forum???
i tot dat this only about name of the mpv
now it turns out to be a parliament debate…
huh with Basher and Supporter..
maybe the basher didnt learn the sejarah n perlembagaan
diorg sanggup jadi org jajahan jepun lagi..
i dun really understand malaysian..
why ur mentality still do not change even we have achieved independent for over 50 years??
i really dissapointed wit malaysian..
we should support our product
we should increased our economic scale by supporting our product
then our country will be recognaised by other country
this is not about FC or HP or wut
this is about spirits of Malaysian
if we as malaysian do not have the spirits
so how we as malaysian will develop our country???
HOW?!!!
February 18, 2009 @ 12:25 pm
Euro NCAP is independent and is a world class benchmark. To achieve more sales, most manufacturers will promote their vehicle’s Euro NCAP rating in their ads. So, just go get a rating from NCAP, no excuses. Big deal. Who cares internal tests are more demanding, people only publish Euro NCAP ratings, not internal tests.
At Proton’s current level of technology, I trust Euro NCAP will at least give 4 star. You idiots think what, Proton low tech ah! PROTON IS AT PAR WITH ANY MANUFACTURER. Get that through your thick skullz.
Just send the damn MPV to Euro NCAP and get that 4 star rating. Big deal. This’ll shut down these dumbass idiots from bashing Exora and calling it not safe to carry our loved ones.
February 18, 2009 @ 12:26 pm
sound like ‘citroen Xsara’
February 18, 2009 @ 12:35 pm
@mukhri…
i m not against u… but ur statement might kill u… hoho…
be happy my fren… about the, we already know the name, we know the look… for me it is just enough at the time being…
the rest, let future tells us…
February 18, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
Exora pronunciation = Ei + Zoh + Ra or Air + Zoh+ Rah? No pronunciation in Oxford Dictionary meh?
Bur for those who cannot pronunciate R very well, it become Ei + Zoh + La…Hu, Hu, Hu!
February 18, 2009 @ 12:45 pm
Euro NCAP buys cars directly and secretly from dealers and then crashes the cars. If the manufacturer were to send their cars for testing, you will be sure that the car will be reinforced in some shape or form. That’s why Euro NCAP testing is very independent because even the dealers who sell the cars will not know it is Euro NCAP buying.
February 18, 2009 @ 12:53 pm
Pertandingan Mencipta Nama Timangan Bagi Proton Exora..
syarat2…
- bukan nama haiwan atau bunga ,atau anggota badan
- mestilah melambangkan bentuk badan kereta (Vios = Dugong )
hehe.. hadiah … Glamour..
Anyone? I suggest Proton Bontot Besar … Buntut, part of human bodies.. Bontot should be okey…
yeah… Proton Bontot Besar… any competitors?
February 18, 2009 @ 12:55 pm
even if it gets the ful 5 stars , it wil stil get bashed believe me …some ppl here make me speechless
February 18, 2009 @ 12:58 pm
xnak beli duk diam2..korang nyer duit, korang nyer suka nak beli keta apa pun..rambut sama itam hati korang makan ler sendiri huahuahua…
February 18, 2009 @ 1:07 pm
tahniah la kepada pemenag. sebenarnya proton takyah kuar logo pon. sebab orang beli proton misti tukar logonyer. paling koman pon dorang pakai logo mitsubishi.. logo ferrari pon ada aku nampak.. (kahkahkah). They supposed to come out with catalogue with list of logos.. buyer may choose to put any logo they want.. not to mention the name as well.. ahaks!
February 18, 2009 @ 1:20 pm
Come on la guys. Ok any more info about this MPV. Sinca that its open for booking this Saturday, atleast we need some info before commit ourselves.
February 18, 2009 @ 1:56 pm
nabill said,
February 18, 2009 @ 12:55 pm
even if it gets the ful 5 stars , it wil stil get bashed believe me …some ppl here make me speechless
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I believe most of u heard/ watch the news recently. An Avanza crash to pieces at Seremban highway.
Later An Alphard flatten in Teluk Intan. 4 dead.
Moral of the story…. drive carefully and alert. Ncap? Its a good start. But we can go as far many stars on the sky but useless if we’re prone accident.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:01 pm
sebab dari awal da tipu.. jadi aku sumpah Exora tak laku.. hahaha..
February 18, 2009 @ 2:06 pm
I still think the name is girlish.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:16 pm
Wow!!! It just a winner and the product official name announcement and this thread got close to 400 hits?!!! Baru nama…belum lagi MPV nyer…hahaha….
February 18, 2009 @ 2:18 pm
very girlish..
x sesuai untuk laki.. exora cam proton melati, proton anggerik, proton kiambang, proton seroja huhuhu
February 18, 2009 @ 2:23 pm
why not pelbagaikn lg choice of cc..
like 1.6, 1.8 or 2.0..
never heared from proton punya aim (angan2)
go..go proton..
produce campro cps 1.8 turbo..
February 18, 2009 @ 2:24 pm
Paultan hottest post? Exora already have the AURA. haha.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:24 pm
does proton also pay tax to government?i think that factor causes its price to exceed 70k.i think it is a lie if the production of new car involve that amount of money.klo betul kena cukai,ambikla cukai tu ttp jgnlah melampau2 sangat.but i think proton use the lighter metal la,tu sbb la depa x takut klo taruk enjin 1.6 jer.hanya untuk memenuhi keperluan keluarga,bukan untuk speed driving.sapa yg nak bawak bini ngan anak 5 org laju2 sgt,nak mampos??!!!skdr move dr point A ke point B jerrr……
February 18, 2009 @ 2:26 pm
Funny, it always spark many interest when a Proton related issues is highlighted, bashers and supporters alike. Malaysians do love Proton in their own way.
As for the MPV, though I also disappointed for not winning, but never mind. Hope it is good enough to serve its purpose.
Btw, most MPV have feminine names. They are no sports car.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:26 pm
aku rasa jadi kontroversi sebab tak ikut syarat.. kalau tak orang diam aja..
February 18, 2009 @ 2:27 pm
@bmpower,
Both G2/Persona test results is on 2008 Persona/2009 G2 with Campro IAFM which not launch yet in taiwan (expected on march) , G2 have other old test results with Campro Std on 2005 went first time launching in Taiwan.
February 18, 2009 @ 2:27 pm
EXORA is also the brand of cooking oil…
February 18, 2009 @ 2:30 pm
btul3
people who buy mpv dun drive until 140km/h like u ah beng guys
100km/h is enough
if climbing steep hill, 80km/h is enough
February 18, 2009 @ 2:30 pm
it’s not fair lerrr… i post 3 entry what FITRA, FAMIRA & CELESSA but hampeh …hu hu hu
February 18, 2009 @ 2:31 pm
bashing for nothing… an mpv is xpecting to hv power like sport cars…. argue of torque, HP, underpower, drive train… gosh… wasting time la u guys… u want to buy juz buy… dont hv to argue so many thing la…. dont want to buy, pull ur blanket and sleeps tigh… dont bother anything else… it wont harm u anyway… u think ppl want ur money to buy this mpv ka??? brainless ppl la… the choice is ur’s….
February 18, 2009 @ 2:35 pm
@toque…..mostly thanks to myboy….hahaha
February 18, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
don’t ur think it is dangerous when memotong when xcukup power?
tekan punya tekan pedal keta gerak mcm ciput.. keta bertentengan dh smpi dekat.. boshhh.. accident..
we need more power to avoid acc..
February 18, 2009 @ 2:47 pm
by ‘memotong’ at what speed? overtaking when u alrady cruising at 100 kmph or from around 60 – 80 kmph?
if the latter… then i’m sure it has enough power to do it…. if the first one… then walaweh…..u think sport car meh??
February 18, 2009 @ 2:49 pm
Exora…Chinese pronounce it as esola…aka “Asshole larrr”
February 18, 2009 @ 2:50 pm
it u jeorpadising ur family life… not d car. u know d car dont hv enuf power y u hv to overtake during bz time??? overtake when it safe la… u drive a family in mpv to hv fun not to hv tension for speeding and racing… gv me ur break la…
February 18, 2009 @ 3:04 pm
why u all people want to condem our national mpv.beri la peluang utk hidup lu.u all think that all cont.car are the best ke?think again?
February 18, 2009 @ 3:04 pm
Yet I still find some of these comments funny..
Heard that Naza is also focusing to build their own car. No more Kia/Hyundai rebadging.
February 18, 2009 @ 3:18 pm
Aiyooo….u guys….please stop givinng nonsense comments la….Just wait until its launched, test drive urself, then give ur comments. Dont worry, this MPV has very good crash rating, better then any other Proton cars so far….just wait for the official spec’s and anouncements later when its lauched, cause i cant disccus it much her….Btw we dont do the crash test ourselves, we give it to 3rd party body to evaluate its crash worthiness, since its important for us to pass or better still exceed it so that it can be marketed easily all around the world. Importing countries rely on these 3rd party results and they themselves usually do their internal test back to reconfirm the results.Like sum tetst which is done internally in proton, they send their personel to obeserve the test condition and vehicle so the results would be valid. So THERE NO SUCH THING AS CHEATING! So MyBoy, there is still alot of thing that U DONT KNOW or U THINK U KNOW BUT U DONT KNOW! Building a car from scratch is not as easy as u think…so please stop making a fool of urself!
p/s: Just for additional info, our frontal crash speed is 64km/h – it shows how severe is our test conditions are. All our cars that is on the road today from Gen-2 onwards has passed this test, even the Saga BLM. So be assured, those who r driving the latest proton cars, that their cars are safe!
Cheers!
February 18, 2009 @ 3:29 pm
madzly_musa said,
February 18, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
don’t ur think it is dangerous when memotong when xcukup power?
tekan punya tekan pedal keta gerak mcm ciput.. keta bertentengan dh smpi dekat.. boshhh.. accident..
we need more power to avoid acc..
—
then better you request from p2 and toyota 1st on your their:
1.0 myvi
850 viva
1.3 avanza
current killer car is viva and myvi. tq
February 18, 2009 @ 3:30 pm
TYPICAL MALAYSIAN IDEOLOGY. (-_ -)”"
February 18, 2009 @ 3:38 pm
MALAYSIAN BOOKS OF RECORD ? for the most replied blog comments in malaysia? Give some credit to paul..the hehehe
i think he should get sumthing la…hehe..but KEPUASAN is the most bloggers want actually…
February 18, 2009 @ 3:42 pm
even if your current ride is a Euro NCAP 5-Star car, if you crash into a tree or lorry at speeds in excess of 100 km/h, your chances of survival are slim at best.
Car crash test is at about only 60km/h, with some taking into to 64 km/h but still very slow by average cruising speed of 80 km/h. The key is to drive safely, according to road conditions and of course, your own car condition.
February 18, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
@si-fu
So you (Proton) give it to 3rd party to evaluate. So smart hah? This is open to some specific tweak in some shape or form just to get a good score. Not to mention that you pay and work hand in hand with your so-called 3rd party tester.
People prefer Euro NCAP over Proton’s so-called 3rd party carsh test because the way Euro NCAP source the car from. In other word, Euro NCAP crash test a car that user can actually buy. Not some cars sent by the manufacturer directly to the tester (in this case 3rd party with questionable transparency).
There are still a lot of things that THE END USER KNOW that you, manufacturer THINK THE END USER DON”T KNOW!!!!
Your so-called 3rd party frontal crash test is at the same speed as Euro NCAP (64KM/H) but Euro NCAP is more trustworthy and independent in the eyes of many.
February 18, 2009 @ 3:56 pm
@CFA28
Agree with your point. Just imagine if passengers in Euro NCAP 5 Stars suffer a severe injury, what will happened to the one with 3 Stars?
As for layman like most of us, you can watch TopGear, where there is one episode where they show you the difference (not scientifically though) in amount of damage sustained by different star rating car. You will be surprise to see the gap between 5 Stars and 3 Stars.
Anyway, I give Exora the benefit of the doubt.
February 18, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
Sorry, forgot to give the link….Here it is:
Euro NCAP Crash Test For Waja and others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0kB2SqZqZ0
February 18, 2009 @ 3:59 pm
think again before u all coments.what is purpose of mpv.
February 18, 2009 @ 4:00 pm
@CFA28
Agree with your point. Just imagine if passengers in Euro NCAP 5 Stars suffer a severe injury, what will happened to the one with 3 Stars?
As for layman like most of us, you can watch TopGear, where there is one episode where they show you the difference (not scientifically though) in amount of damage sustained by different star rating car. You will be surprise to see the gap between 5 Stars and 3 Stars. Below is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0kB2SqZqZ0
Anyway, I give Exora the benefit of the doubt.
February 18, 2009 @ 4:03 pm
Hey MyBoy., cant u read this lines:-
”Importing countries rely on these 3rd party results and they themselves usually do their internal test back to reconfirm the results.Like sum tetst which is done internally in proton, they send their personel to obeserve the test condition and vehicle so the results would be valid.”
read the line, “they themselves usually do their internal test back to reconfirm the results”….are u simply ignorant? or just cant read? And these cars that they confirm the test with is real production cars as they too want consistency and transperancy in their results….we r not stupid like u think la so r those countries who r importing our cars…… Stop thinking u know everything, cause u know nothing….first, i would like to ask u, kalau pandai sgt lah…how many crash test types are there? what are their requirements? Hahahahahahahaha…..answer this if u can, dont bother to goggle and try to be smart, since goggle is not gonna reveal everything….bonus question, what kinda crash standard regulations that countries has….countries like UK,Europe, Middle East, Australia? What crash std or regulations that Malaysia has?
February 18, 2009 @ 4:03 pm
don’t jugde the books by it cover.think again????.
February 18, 2009 @ 4:09 pm
for Euro Ncap, Exora maximum can get 4* if summit to test for current test rule and regulations , bcos without curtain Airbag & side Airbag is near impossible to get 5*, and this year start Euro NCAP new rule required curtain Airbag & side Airbag is standard to get 5* together with ESP.
but you will never can see Exora test in Euro NCAP bcos proton itself also scare to test in Euro NCAP, mostly now new car send to test Euro NCAP together with 6 or more Airbag, and getting good results, but you know lah, Proton just have max 4 airbag in G2 for England market, other like Savvy? Neo just have 2 Airbag, so you can estimated what results can get. max 2~3* only.
February 18, 2009 @ 4:19 pm
Perkara ni jadi hangat kerana nama Exora memang berdasarkan nama bunga Siantan. Sedangkan dalam syarat menyatakan tidak boleh nama haiwan atau tumbuhan. Tak timbul masalah tak faham syarat. Perkara ni jelas. Anyway, dalam syarat penyertaan ada juga dinyatakan Proton berhak mengubah mana2 syarat tanpa notis. So guys… lu fikir sendirilah.
“Exora is a flower that blooms in a bunch. That evokes the spirit of the MPV, which is togetherness. It demonstrates the MPV as family vehichle and that is why we decided to pick the name, ” Explained Syed Zainal
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/business/18548-proton-believes-exora-will-move-malaysians
To me they really want that flower name. Just the spelling is a bit stylo coz is starts with E and not with I (Ixora, the real spelling for the flower).
But still I think something is not right here.
February 18, 2009 @ 4:30 pm
aiyoohhh……tonite would exceed 500 comments………….everybody loves proton mpv…….including those from perodua…..hu hu
February 18, 2009 @ 4:37 pm
Wa… somehow people now harping on safety. Yes maybe Exora won’t get 5 star Euro NCAP (nobody can say for certain though…) So, if it doesn’t get five stars somehow it’s not safe – tell me how many stars did the Grand Livina, Avanza or Innova get? Oh..I forgot they are not even certified for European sales since they are designed as special third world models (not to be sold in advanced markets like Europe or US).
February 18, 2009 @ 4:39 pm
Want bash P1? Go to Chips Yap forum la wei.. Bikin kacau saje..
February 18, 2009 @ 4:49 pm
offtopic>>
madimat..pergh..i’ve never read such polite essay after i left the sec. school.
salute~
sifu..is it the crash requirement in the middle-east for car roof even stricter than malaysia? i heard some1 said before..
February 18, 2009 @ 4:55 pm
madimat,
betui kata hang…aku sebenarnya dah hampes melayan karenah2 mereka nih yg kononnya mereka tahu semua….tetapi sebenarnya isunya bukan semata-mata tentang pengetahuan mereka ataupun apa yg mereka tahu, tapi nampaknya lebih kepada ketidakpuasan hati mereka terhapa produk tanah air kita yang pertama dibina dan diberi nyawa oleh anak2 Malaysia sendiri. Terbuktilah dan termaktublah, yang bahawanya mereka2 ini sangat iri hati dengan dan kebolehan kita dan mereka mungkin takut, ini akan mengugat mereka, syarikat mereka atau siapa2 yg berkaitan dengan mereka. maka lahirlah tuduhan2, alasan2, pelbagai komen, mereka bersengkang mata, mencari kesilapan yang boleh digunakan sebagai alasan utk dipersendakan dan diketawakan, tetapi apabila, mereka gagal utk mencari kesilapan itu, maka mereka berimaginasi dan membuat pelbagai kesimpulan, bukan utk apa, tapi semata-mata utk puaskan hati mereka sendiri…..inilah gelagat warganegara Malaysia, yang kononnya moden, beperlajaran, dan membangun….fikir-fikirkanlah…..kita yang mencerminkan kan negara Malaysia, orangnya….jikalau kita bersikap begini, apatah lagi org asing?
February 18, 2009 @ 4:59 pm
Ada power ke takde power ke, 5 star NCAP ke, 1 star NCAP ke.. ajal di tangan TUHAN.. kalau nak mati bebila jer.. tak payah naik MPV pon boleh mati.. yang penting ingat 5 perkara sebelum 5 perkara.. ciptaan manusia semua ada kelemahan, hanya ciptaan TUHAN yang sempurna.. so tak payah nak korek kelemahan proton, semua brand ada kelemahan.. sama je.. esok lusa kita mati bukan boleh bawak kereta sekali.. beli setahun dah patah handle.. lima tahun dah nak tercabut dashboard.. pastu beli kete baru, apa susah.. yang penting dunia ini sementara jer.. kereta ni issue kecik jer..
February 18, 2009 @ 5:01 pm
Farghmee, not only roof, but in overall, the middle-east and the gulf countries has one the most demanding and high standard of crash safety regulations and requirements…..so if our cars are sold there, then u shud know how good is our cars in crash worthiness…..
Cheers!
February 18, 2009 @ 5:16 pm
Bersambung cerita anak dan ayah….
Selepas menghantar anaknya yg masih menagis ke tadika, si ayah terus ke tempat kerjanya. kilang pemasangan kenderaan import jenama malaysia di(toooooo…….). semasa tengah memasang pintu kereta tersebut, tiba tiba terfikir semula apa yang dikatakan anaknya. “aku sepatutnya tak boleh berkata begitu kepada anak aku, sekurang kurangnya bila difikirkan proton mimbina kenderaan mereka dari bahan mentah menjadi kenderaan. tapi apa yang aku lihat skarang adalah aku bekerja dengan penjajah yang dulunya menghina kami pada masa perang”. “sekarang dari Arwah bapa aku hingga ke anak aku masih lagi tunduk kepada penjajah tu”. ini ke yang aku mahu waris aku banggakan. malaysia masih bergantung kepada negara luar. nak buat jarum pun tak mampu… ada kereta sendiri dilingkupkan oleh orang & rakyat malaysia sendiri…..
Bersambung…..
February 18, 2009 @ 5:25 pm
Lousy name.. Do not sound internationally enough..
February 18, 2009 @ 5:25 pm
tp bagus gak ada bashers nih.
depa timbulkan isu pastu si-fu jawab,
depa timbulkan isu pastu si-fu jawab,
depa timbulkan isu pastu si-fu jawab,
depa timbulkan isu pastu si-fu jawab,
depa timbulkan isu pastu si-fu jawab,
depa timbulkan isu pastu si-fu jawab,
depa timbulkan isu pastu si-fu jawab,
sampai kdg2 2 sampai ke thp soalan maut punya ttp si-fu dpt jwb ngan cemerlang.so,apa lg yg nak dikata?memanglahlah exora lg besar dr avanza(1.5),tp kapasiti enjin lebih besar.so aku rasa FCnya lebih kurang macam avanza 1.5 jer(ramalan jer nih,jgn percy bulat2!!!!!)
February 18, 2009 @ 5:28 pm
si-fu… sometime u hv to let go what they said there….
the bashers will always b a bashers…. their minded towards 3rd world class where “hantu, jin, jembalang momok” thing flying in their mind… in other word, “KOLOT MODEN”…
February 18, 2009 @ 5:30 pm
want to go fast, buy sport or salon car.
want to go from point A to point B in a simple and comforting way, buy MPV.
not enough money to buy either of this vehicle, buy wheel barrow and ask someone to push and to transport you.
i’ve been using a 1990 proton saga model since 1999. last time i aint complaining, and i aint complaining now. i know proton cars is not up to our expectation, but my little car has been my chariot for almost 10 years, 9 years in the hand of my fatherfrom brand new. nothing major problem occured throughout its entire life. it all come to how you much you appreciate and doing its maintenance. untill one day the small 1.5 engine start dying and i decided to convert it to 4G93. sumtimes im part of those bashers and sumtimes im a proud p1 owner. well, my point is, let us see how the new MPV fares in real driving condition and comments from people who own one. After that, we know whose comment and critics hold its water.
just a humble opinion…
February 18, 2009 @ 5:37 pm
si-fu will get extra bonus from Proton this year..
February 18, 2009 @ 5:42 pm
already hit 445reply…
the main point were:
1. safety crash test
2. fuel consumption
3. underpowered
4. tax issues
5. the name EXORA…(wah no point kah?)
getting MALAS to counter anymore.all bashers only know talk-craps.(Mr Sifu is being RAJIN to entertain them.kesian Sifu).
anyway,i SOKONG Proton.towards developed country.
February 18, 2009 @ 5:45 pm
I will reserve my comment. Need to test drive first. I dont own Honda or Toyota; couldnt afford it.
I have tested Toyota Rush (my bro in laws) – bumpy, not a comfort car.
Vios – the latest version (my bros) – driving is fun but suspension a bit bumpy/ Price wise is expensive > 80k for the upper line. Couldnt afford.
Honda Accord (my eldest bro) – driving is fun, comfy but mahal… also cannot afford…..
Thinking of buying the Honda Hybrid (it saves fuel and in a long term thinking can untung) but Honda Malaysia seems like does not want to reduce the price (they reduce a bit only lar from RM160k – RM130k ) even they have been excluded of the tax….I thought its going to be priced as in Langkawi….
So what car that i can afford? Rite now, dont know. Need to wait and see. People said Livina is good…. and hope this Exora is good also….
February 18, 2009 @ 5:48 pm
Dear Malaysian that said they are malaysia. tolong malu kat diri sendiri. Topgear buat kelakar pasal kereta malaysia, korang gelak. tapi yang kelakrnya yang korang gelakkan tu adalah air muka korang sendiri. terim hakikat Proton baru berusia 20an. usia muda remaja. banyak pengalaman nak kena timba lagi. kalau ikutkan dengan teknologi yang Proton capai adalah patut dibanggakan. Toyota 70 tahun dah tua ada pengalaman. Merc dah lebih 100 tahun otai. BMW pun Otai. Hundai, Korang ada baca ke sejarah perkembangannya. teknologi perkapalan masuk kat kereta. banding dengan Proton, nama baru 7% dalam pasaran. tapi aku bangga dengan pencapaian ini. sekurangnya mitshubishi dan VW a.k.a GM pun nak join venture buat kereta ngan proton. kalau tak bagus lagi jangan lupa LOTUS tu Proton punya ynag tune banyak kereta berjenama seperti toyota etc….
tak malu ke jadi malaysian tapi kutuk malaysia. ingat. jangan meludah ke langit tapi jatuh ke muka sendiri. kera di hutan disusukan anak kat rumah sebagai waris generasi akan datang mati kebuluran.
adios….
February 18, 2009 @ 6:00 pm
nak tambah.. sebenarnya aku segan sikit nak bawak kereta tampalan nie (P2 & NAZA) tak ori. buka bonet, bumper pastu pasang yang agak malaysian sikit. pasang jenama malaysia. dah jadi kereta jenama malaysia. tinggi sungguh inovasi kat situ…
February 18, 2009 @ 6:00 pm
IF a simple rule like this Proton cannot followed, how do they expect ppl to trust in their brand. Im talkin about the Exora name.
The rules clearly stated…
Penyertaan hendaklah sama ada dalam bahasa Malaysia atau bahasa Inggeris dan mestilah:-
- Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan;
- Tidak mengandungi bahasa kasar atau kesat atau membawa konotasi tidak baik, seperti “*****”;
- Boleh diterima secara komersial, contohnya “Proton Waja”;
February 18, 2009 @ 6:01 pm
Proton is a big liar…buat contest syok sendiri ke? Syed zainal,nape u tak letak “proton Hahaha”
February 18, 2009 @ 6:01 pm
sifu, as someone who has been “not supporting” Proton, I honestly think that Proton current management is much better then under TM time. Back then Proton was very “lansi” and TM was what we call flamboyant, so being lansi fitted his persona.
However, some ppl view with concern that your current Chairman “walks and talks” like the MD/CEO when officially he is an “Non Executive Chairman” but being the former MD, I suppose he forgets who is actually the MD.
I can’t remember the history of who was the MD of Proton who forced buyers to pay for unnecessary accessories or was it EON who forced these unnecessary accessories.
btw, how is the proton Waja CPS. Am looking at it as its the most affordable and value for $$ given the curren economic condition.
February 18, 2009 @ 6:05 pm
kereta tampalan….hhahahahahaha….
February 18, 2009 @ 6:08 pm
macam nama kereta lotus la….
anyway,nice name….
February 18, 2009 @ 6:38 pm
seingat saya proton kata dia boleh tukar syarat tanpa sebarang notis……so?
February 18, 2009 @ 6:40 pm
secara peribadi keputusan pada aku agak kurang adil jika berlandaskan syarat-syarat bagi nama yg. telah dibuat semasa pertandingan berlangsung.
walaupun proton berhak meminda mana-mana syarat tanpa notis terlebih dahulu tetapi seperti mana penyertaan mana-mana pertandingan tertakluk kepada syarat yg. ditentukan begitu jugalah hendaknya keputusan yg. dibuat semoleknya berlandaskan syarat-syarat yg. telah diberi.
baru professional dan di terima semua pihak..
diharap selepas ini pihak proton lebih peka akan perkara sebegini……
dibawah ini adalah antara syarat-syarat yg. jelas yg. telah di buat semasa pertandingan di jalankan…. fikir-fikirkan!!!
Penyertaan hendaklah sama ada dalam bahasa Malaysia atau bahasa Inggeris dan mestilah:-
- Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan;
- Tidak mengandungi bahasa kasar atau kesat atau membawa konotasi tidak baik, seperti “Bodoh”;
- Boleh diterima secara komersial, contohnya “Proton Waja”;
- Mudah disebut, contohnya, “Proton Waja”;
- Mudah difahami dan dikenali oleh rakyat Malaysia;
- Tidak digunakan oleh mana-mana Pembuat Peralatan Tulen dalam bidang Pengangkutan (OEM), sama ada tempatan atau luar negara, pada tarikh 08/09/2008;
- Mempunyai maksimum tiga [3] suku kata sahaja. Contohnya, “Proton Persona”. Nama-nama yang dihantar yang melebihi tiga [3] suku kata akan ditolak secara automatik. Setiap peserta boleh menghantar lebih daripada satu [1] penyertaan melalui laman web atau SMS, TETAPI setiap pemenang hanya layak menerima satu hadiah sahaja
February 18, 2009 @ 6:57 pm
adui.. dah x menang cukup laaaa
byk plak ckpnyer..
org lain dah menang
nasib diorang laaa
February 18, 2009 @ 7:01 pm
ixora = plant/vegetation
exora = cari dalam kamus tumbuhan kalo ade
February 18, 2009 @ 7:03 pm
berikut adalah maklumat tentang Proton MPV tersebut dimana nama yg. diberikan seharusnya melambangkan cici-ciri spt berikut;
Selesa:
Ruang kaki dan ruang menyimpan barang yang lebih luas – cukup luas untuk seluruh keluarga bersiar-siar.
Mampu Milik:
Rakyat Malaysia suka akan penjimatan dan Proton MPV memang berbaloi!
keputusan: Protn Exora! iskh…boleh ke exora ni melambangkan ciri -ciri spt. yg telah di highlight kan semasa pertandingan berlangsung….
confuse tul…..
orang tua-tua kata…
lembu berpegang pada tali….manusia pada janji….tak gitu. walaupun syarat peraduan ( Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan; ) subject to proton discreation untuk meminda tanpa notis terlebih dahulu …..tetapi biar lah profesional… follow the clearly stated rules that applicable to all participant to enter the contest…because all names given by contestant was subject to the rules given by Proton during the contest period……
so.. lepas ni di harap proton lebih peka akan perkara sebegini agar in future this Tight spot takkan menimbulkan kontroversi dan lebih adil untik contestant yg. follow the stated rules. ……
February 18, 2009 @ 7:10 pm
untuk hax! ,
bukan nak banyak cerita atau jeles tetapi saya hanya menyatakan pandangan peribadi..
agar selepas ini proton atau mana-mana pihak yg.ingin membuat sesuatu pertandingan seharusnya lebih peka akan isu-isu sebegini…..
hidup kalau tak ikut undang-undang asyik subject pada budi bicara tanpa notis terlebih dahulu untuk meminda nya susah jugak kan?
waallahualam…
February 18, 2009 @ 7:11 pm
why some of u guys replying in BM la , as 99% of ppl here expressing their opinion in english , lets have everyone write in english…
February 18, 2009 @ 7:17 pm
Alleno,
agree with u 100%….
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brutal_driverz,
we all know that Proton have the right to change any rule/s without notice but think about it, if u participated in this contest & read (plus understand) the rules so obviously u won’t name the mpv of the flora & fauna origin right? U don’t want to disqualified… Actually I don’t give a darn about the mpv name or who won but what puzzled me is when did the rule change? If after the contest period ended so obviously the ahSo who won the contest didn’t understand the rule. But if before the contest closed then obviously some people knew about this, is there something fishy going on?
Anyway, I think Proton should just stick to the clear rules & forget about playing in the border of the rules (if I may say). It just make ppl feels cheated.
February 18, 2009 @ 7:17 pm
maklumat tentang Proton MPV tersebut.
Selesa:
Ruang kaki dan ruang menyimpan barang yang lebih luas – cukup luas untuk seluruh keluarga bersiar-siar.
Mampu Milik:
Rakyat Malaysia suka akan penjimatan dan Proton MPV memang berbaloi!
keputusan: proyon exora…ish..melambangkan ciri-ciri spt yg di highlight kan ker?????
February 18, 2009 @ 7:20 pm
maklumat tentang Proton MPV tersebut.
Selesa:
Ruang kaki dan ruang menyimpan barang yang lebih luas – cukup luas untuk seluruh keluarga bersiar-siar.
Mampu Milik:
Rakyat Malaysia suka akan penjimatan dan Proton MPV memang berbaloi!
keputusan:proton exora…..ish,,,, melambangkan ciri-ciri yg di hightlight kan ker??????
February 18, 2009 @ 7:28 pm
hax!,
please read–> Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan;
obviously Exora diambil dari nama Ixora (tumbuhan)… the rule is clear
February 18, 2009 @ 7:30 pm
wah…daripada discuss pasal nama Exora sampai dah ‘bash’ peribadi dah ni. bash banyak2 kat dalam ni pun bukan boleh jadi apa pun. apa la nak pening2 pasal nama / power etc. power sangat pun tapi kalau setakat pergi balik keje ikut federal highway takde guna gak. i bought an MPV because my family getting bigger, not concern much on power. janji selesa. so? actually depends on apa yg kita cari. brand? safety? power? comfort? pikir2 la sendiri. tak yah gaduh2 le, tak baik. nothin is perfect la…
February 18, 2009 @ 7:33 pm
contoh
tiger = animal
tigger = name character katun disney yg actually tiger
February 18, 2009 @ 7:34 pm
kalau letak Proton Cambing boleh? diambil dari Kambing… so the fact was that Proton change the rule without notice (their right) & i think what pissed most ppl was the fact that the winner was given to the one that didn’t follow the rule… hmmm
February 18, 2009 @ 7:42 pm
exora? azura?….girlish…emm or rexona…hoho…smell maybe good but perfomance??? masculin ker??? body part? tough ker??? emmm…wait and see.. jgn. jadi cam alice and wonderland dah ler…..
February 18, 2009 @ 7:47 pm
maklumat tentang Proton MPV tersebut.
Selesa:
Ruang kaki dan ruang menyimpan barang yang lebih luas – cukup luas untuk seluruh keluarga bersiar-siar.
Mampu Milik:
Rakyat Malaysia suka akan penjimatan dan Proton MPV memang berbaloi!
—proton exora!!!..ish..melambangkan ciri2 yg. di hightlightkan ker?…
exora? azura? rexona?…. girlish….
February 18, 2009 @ 7:49 pm
wow!! 455 comments…..is the number still running? cannot wait to see mpv proton on the road…………..
February 18, 2009 @ 8:07 pm
gua agree ngn kereta gagap…actually diorg ni yg jenis kutuk2 kereta proton ni sebenarnya diorg ni x cermat guna kete….gua satria user da 11 tahun kete tu…condition still good maaa…..x de masalah lg wat masa ni…pape hal….yg kutuk kete exora X LAWA…cuba bukak mata besar2….kalau di ikutkn EXORA kalau diberi sentuhan seperti tambah bodykit…lg cantik dipandang…..yg gua pelik kn…..AVANZA jauh lg buruk shape dia drpd EXORA…..xde plak nk kutuk2….
now japanese car…..kalau dimekap mcm mana pon…drpd lawa jd x lawa…tp korang x blame apa2 pun..
February 18, 2009 @ 8:42 pm
pada suatu hari cik exora pergi ke zoo (nama zoo dirahsiakan..).
cik exora menghampiri kandang lembuz (nama lembuz diambil sempena nama lembu, bukan nama spesis lembu..hehe).
cik exora ni nampak dah papan tanda peraturan ” dilarang bagi makan binatang dalam kandang ni”..
tapi cik exora ni bagi gak makan lembuz ni rumput segar yg. dibawa khas dari halaman rumahnya…
orang ramai yg. melihat perlakuan cik exora tu complain kat penjaga zoo terbabit…
tapi penjaga zoo tu kata…takpe peraturan meant to be broken..lagipun aku sebagai penjaga lembuz kat sini boley tukar peraturan ni biler-biler masa jer tanpe notis terlebih dahulu.
sebarang surat menyurat atau aduan takkan dilayan…
so lepas ni kalau ada peraturan kata tak boley buat tu dan ini maknenyer.. boley buat sebab still subject pada budi bicara hambe…si penjaga lembuz….
February 18, 2009 @ 8:49 pm
si-fu, tahulah bhp tinggi Nm pun tinggi, tapi kalau tune 1.6L untuk capai max bhp dan torque pada rev tinggi gerenti makan minyak. Wak pakai wish 2.0 pun menyesal, kawan sayo punyo stream 1.7 pun complaint. Engkau pikir lah enjin 1.6L Saya garenti kalau dyno-test itu enjin CPS, takde 125 bhp lah. Dulu Satria GTI cakap ada 138bhp, lepas dyno, dapat 115-120bhp. Pahamlah kalau header dengan cylinder head banyak tahi aluminium, mestilah power kurang. Malaysia Boleh. Talking about bashing, you guys figure it out. Deserving or not!
February 18, 2009 @ 8:56 pm
Aku berasa bangga dengan pencapaian proton yg bagi peluang pekerjaan kepada rakyat malaysia dengan penhasilan model2 terbaru dibawah CEO DSZ…Sokonglah barang buatan malaysia. Korang ingat rakyat jepun & korea nak sokong ke product buatan malaysia?..Takkan dapatnye…Kepada yang sedap sangat kutuk proton tu jangan la beli barang buatan malaysia….Pindah je duduk kat Jepun @ korea…tengok macam mana. kalau nak bagi komen bagi la yang positif..Ingat korang tu perfect sangat…macam bagus…!!!!…
p/s: Majukan industri buatan malaysia…
February 18, 2009 @ 8:57 pm
berikut adalah syarat2 contest(BI ngan BM)
- not consist of any form of the animal kingdom, or vegetation
-Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan
#pada saya,term “diambil” boleh bawa macam2 maksud spt:
-1)di”tiru”(ixora=Proton Ixora)
-2)di”inspirasikan”(ixora=Proton Exora)
-3)di”ubahsuai”(lbh kurang mcm yg no2)
#drpd segi perundangan,proton menang.nak saman pun x boleh.tp apabila peserta dah menyertai pertandingan ni bermakna dia sudah bersetuju terhadap kemungkinan2 yang mungkin terjadi.
#tp drpd segi lain,perkara ini amat mengecewakan.bila timbul syarat spt ini,surely peserta takkan terlintas langsung dlm fikiran depa untuk taruk nama haiwan @ tumbuhan.tp akhirnya nama yang diderivekan drpd tumbuhan juga yg terpilih,siap leh wat info ringkas lg kat tepi berita(tengok kosmo hari ni).
Kesimpulannya,diharap perkara ni xkan berulang lagi pd ms dpn.peserta rasa mcm ditipu.apa2 pun,maafkan je la proton.xkan psl nm pun nak kecoh2 tul tak?nak sumpah2 plak tu?hati aku kuat merasakan bhw proton memang salah dlm hal nih,tp just maaf-maafkanlah.jgn tunggu hr raya dah ler.sedgkan Nabi maafkan umat.PEACE!!!
p/s:ada org x phm BM ke kat sini?
February 18, 2009 @ 9:10 pm
Kepada yang x puas hati dengan nama EXORA tu…pergi je saman PROTON…Jangan nak bising kat sini…Nak jadi negara maju tapi pemikiran rakyat masih lagi di tahap kelas dunia ketiga….Asyik cari salah…Macam bagus sangat dan x pernah buat salah….
p/s: Majukan industri buatan malaysia…
February 18, 2009 @ 10:25 pm
why all comments here turn to Malay? Is this Malay forum? haha
How should we pronounce Exora this name?
E-xora (Ee-xo-ra) or
Ixora (I-xo-ra) or
I-xora (Yi-xo-ra) or
E-xora (A-xo-ra)
February 18, 2009 @ 11:27 pm
“Kepada yang x puas hati dengan nama EXORA tu…pergi je saman PROTON…Jangan nak bising kat sini…Nak jadi negara maju tapi pemikiran rakyat masih lagi di tahap kelas dunia ketiga….Asyik cari salah…Macam bagus sangat dan x pernah buat salah….
p/s: Majukan industri buatan malaysia…”
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masalahnya, proton menipu. kata tak bleh pakai nama bunga. tapi diaorang pilih nama bunga. adakah kita patut agungkan penipu? adakah ini dikatakan pemikiran tahap tinggi? jika ini lah pemikiran kelas negara maju, lagi baik hidup di pemikiran kelas dunia ketiga.
i have never bashed proton before and i hated proton bashers. i just turned to one just because i think its not fair to those who had flora names in mind and didnt send it, instead they submitted other names….
February 18, 2009 @ 11:57 pm
Relax la Si-Fu… don’t be emotional. You’ve already stood up to what’s right according to your opinion. You’re the most popular “unofficial representative” from Proton in this forum. I’m sure you’re much smarter & ‘cooler’ than some of the blind bashers here.
February 19, 2009 @ 12:09 am
why in the world you guys soo concern with the contest regulations and the name? i dont understandlah. lets just keep it that way. what we should be concern about is how the new p1 MPV will perform on the road. ok, i admit that i personally feel that proton seems unfair in choosing winner and name. but what the heck, jangan je beri nama proton kura-kura sudah. heheh!!
February 19, 2009 @ 12:19 am
anak_malaysia said,
February 18, 2009 @ 9:10 pm
Kepada yang x puas hati dengan nama EXORA tu…pergi je saman PROTON…Jangan nak bising kat sini…Nak jadi negara maju tapi pemikiran rakyat masih lagi di tahap kelas dunia ketiga….Asyik cari salah…Macam bagus sangat dan x pernah buat salah….
p/s: Majukan industri buatan malaysia…
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bro,naper panas2 nih bro?rileks larr…..EXORA tu nama yang bagus,ttp cr bgmn nm ni terpilih itulah yg dipersoalkan(lets ignore the proton’s right to “change the terms and conds” for a while).kesian la org yg pnt2 fkir nm yg xder kena-mengena ngan flofau,tiba2 naik pula nm yg berasaskan flofau,sapa x panas bro?suka-suki depa sj nak tukar syarat pertndngan(betullah depa ada kuasa nak wat camtu,tp bertimbang rasa la sket!!!!!).kau baca tak post aku sblm nih?xperla,aku tolong kopi pes kat kau.walaubgmnpun,sbg rakyat yg pemaaf(agak2 pemaaflah…) aku maafkanlah proton.
***brutal_driverz said,
February 18, 2009 @ 8:57 pm
berikut adalah syarat2 contest(BI ngan BM)
- not consist of any form of the animal kingdom, or vegetation
-Tidak diambil daripada mana-mana nama binatang atau tumbuh-tumbuhan
#pada saya,term “diambil” boleh bawa macam2 maksud spt:
-1)di”tiru”(ixora=Proton Ixora)
-2)di”inspirasikan”(ixora=Proton Exora)
-3)di”ubahsuai”(lbh kurang mcm yg no2)
#drpd segi perundangan,proton menang.nak saman pun x boleh.tp apabila peserta dah menyertai pertandingan ni bermakna dia sudah bersetuju terhadap kemungkinan2 yang mungkin terjadi.
#tp drpd segi lain,perkara ini amat mengecewakan.bila timbul syarat spt ini,surely peserta takkan terlintas langsung dlm fikiran depa untuk taruk nama haiwan @ tumbuhan.tp akhirnya nama yang diderivekan drpd tumbuhan juga yg terpilih,siap leh wat info ringkas lg kat tepi berita(tengok kosmo hari ni).
Kesimpulannya,diharap perkara ni xkan berulang lagi pd ms dpn.peserta rasa mcm ditipu.apa2 pun,maafkan je la proton.xkan psl nm pun nak kecoh2 tul tak?nak sumpah2 plak tu?hati aku kuat merasakan bhw proton memang salah dlm hal nih,tp just maaf-maafkanlah.jgn tunggu hr raya dah ler.sedgkan Nabi maafkan umat.PEACE!!!
>>>aku tulis ni bkn sbb nak tunjuk terer,cuma skdr melahirkan pendpt sj.bro pun klo ada apa2 buah fikiran bro kabo je kat sini.
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nabill said,
February 18, 2009 @ 7:11 pm
why some of u guys replying in BM la , as 99% of ppl here expressing their opinion in english , lets have everyone write in english…
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rilek la bro,paul tak ban pun post BM aku kat sini[:) ]
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per2 pun,HAPPY MOTORING!!!!
February 19, 2009 @ 12:23 am
Ada GPS? Reverse Camera? Sun/Moonroof? Full Skirting? iPod/usb port? 1.8 or 2.0 model ada tak?
Pasal peraduan ni lagi baik tak payah buat kalau tau nak jadi macamni
Semua yg tak puas hati sebab tak menang, cuba kalau menang… apa perasaan korang nama yg korang pilih dah menang tp org pertikai, sama je.
Kalau kira tak puas hati, sapa pun takkan puas dah nama pun manusia.
Aku pun rasa tertipu sbb tak pk pun psl flora & fauna langsung dah rules camtu.
Tak pernah cukup dengan yg ada. Kalau kira rakyat Malaysia ni dah lama dah diperbodohkan semata2 nak menjaga Proton ni, buatan Malaysia la katakan. Pikir sendiri la, kalau takde AFTA Proton bleh ke jual Exora ni? Kalau berani bersaing buang la AFTA tu, sampai bila kerajaan nak tolong korang ah? Yang jadi mangsa rakyat Malaysia sendiri la. Bangga la sangat BLM tu ramai yg beli, tp kalau takde AFTA, lu pikir sendiri la Proton. Aku rasa baik Proton pk buat MPV yg simple dan paling murah tapi standard badak mcm Tata Nano, sbb rakyat Malaysia ni semua kreatif, lps dah beli sure diorang modified sendiri. Buat model standard badak tapi murah giler. Zaman ekonomi skg ni sumer nak murah je. Pk ah kat kehendak rakyat, jgn syok sendiri je. Jgn tak tau org no 1 terkaya di Malaysia ialah tokey gula yg nak naikkan harga gula lagi lepas ni. Yang kaya semakin kaya, jurang perbezaan semakin jauh, peningkatan kadar jenayah sbb yg miskin semakin teraniaya. Buat apa kalau baru sehari beli Exora, esok dah kena curi.
February 19, 2009 @ 12:53 am
asrimja said,
February 19, 2009 @ 12:23 am
Ada GPS? Reverse Camera? Sun/Moonroof? Full Skirting? iPod/usb port? 1.8 or 2.0 model ada tak?
Pasal peraduan ni lagi baik tak payah buat kalau tau nak jadi macamni
Semua yg tak puas hati sebab tak menang, cuba kalau menang… apa perasaan korang nama yg korang pilih dah menang tp org pertikai, sama je.
Kalau kira tak puas hati, sapa pun takkan puas dah nama pun manusia.
Aku pun rasa tertipu sbb tak pk pun psl flora & fauna langsung dah rules camtu.
Tak pernah cukup dengan yg ada. Kalau kira rakyat Malaysia ni dah lama dah diperbodohkan semata2 nak menjaga Proton ni, buatan Malaysia la katakan. Pikir sendiri la, kalau takde AFTA Proton bleh ke jual Exora ni? Kalau berani bersaing buang la AFTA tu, sampai bila kerajaan nak tolong korang ah? Yang jadi mangsa rakyat Malaysia sendiri la. Bangga la sangat BLM tu ramai yg beli, tp kalau takde AFTA, lu pikir sendiri la Proton. Aku rasa baik Proton pk buat MPV yg simple dan paling murah tapi standard badak mcm Tata Nano, sbb rakyat Malaysia ni semua kreatif, lps dah beli sure diorang modified sendiri. Buat model standard badak tapi murah giler. Zaman ekonomi skg ni sumer nak murah je. Pk ah kat kehendak rakyat, jgn syok sendiri je. Jgn tak tau org no 1 terkaya di Malaysia ialah tokey gula yg nak naikkan harga gula lagi lepas ni. Yang kaya semakin kaya, jurang perbezaan semakin jauh, peningkatan kadar jenayah sbb yg miskin semakin teraniaya. Buat apa kalau baru sehari beli Exora, esok dah kena curi.
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pasal AFTA aku x mau komen,psal kualiti std badak x mo komen gak apatah lg psal tata nano,tp pasal jnyh curi 2 aku stuju sgt2!!!!!!!ekonomi bleh mempengaruhi tgkah laku!apa guna ada bangunan tinggi2,keta cantik2,rmh besar2 ttp kita pun rasa x slmt bila berjalan-jalan dlm ngr sendiri.fikir2kan….
February 19, 2009 @ 1:00 am
boss : tolong siap kerja ini
a: besoklah
Emak : Belikan sayur utk masak
b: esoklah
Bini : bang nak beli kereta
Bang : Exora!
Slap!
February 19, 2009 @ 1:05 am
ixora= nama bunga -eliminates because it was the direct spelling of the name of a flower.
exora (tak direct spelling sipi-sipi jer)= so diperkenankan jadi proton exora
emmmm….boleh ker camtu….
yelah senang jer tukarkan ‘i’ ke ‘e’ (ixora/exora)…
bunga tahi ayam= nama bunga
tahi ayam= najis
ayam?= goreng pun sodap…hohooho
February 19, 2009 @ 1:19 am
proton had clarified yesterday that:
‘Exora was chosen because it was not a name for any animal and vegetation. Exora does not exist as a word,” Proton said, adding that the name was chosen after a vigorous selection process.
Exora does not exist as a word…..so what is the meaning of the “exora”?????
how can proton choose exora if this name does not exist as a word???
if that so….in future i will choose Hi biskut instead of Hibiscus (bunga raya) because this name not directly refer to flower name and not exist as a word..
who know may be i’ll win….hohoho
February 19, 2009 @ 2:29 am
nk beli je la… tak nk p beli estima ke, livina ke…
duit korang gak
February 19, 2009 @ 4:00 am
just see the statistic on this site
and it say this post is number 4 top comment post
first place is taken by Proton Persona launched: Proton’s new sedan, almost 600 comment in a post
February 19, 2009 @ 7:59 am
apa bising2 … kalau tak suka beli la naza citra II rondo atau pun naza citra II Janda
February 19, 2009 @ 8:16 am
i paul didnot delete some comments, it should be more than1 thousand
Anyway, tahts to Paul for providing a place to us to SHOUT OUT… at least can improve Proton Management for future 
February 19, 2009 @ 9:20 am
INI BUKAN SOAL BISING TAK BISING.. KALAU DIA PILIH NAMA LAIN YANG TAK BEST PUN AKU TAK BISING KALAU IKUT SYARAT PERTANDINGAN.. KALAU LETAK PROTON “DIA” PUN AKU TAK BSING.. SEBAB IKUT SYARAT.. APAPUN BENDA DA JADI.. TAPI LAIN KALI INGATT..
February 19, 2009 @ 10:06 am
dah tgk smlm…. lawa mpv ni… luar dan dalam….
February 19, 2009 @ 10:33 am
sifu & autojohndoe,
From all the 5 colours, which one looks best on Exora?
February 19, 2009 @ 11:11 am
‘public outcry’ heheh.. Proton and Government people reads Paultan.org and takes note. Racists and hardcore blind bashers beware, they know where you live.
I love this country..(nice save).
http://www.domusacademy.com/master/car%20design/5
February 19, 2009 @ 11:33 am
anti_tipu said,
February 18, 2009 @ 2:01 pm
sebab dari awal da tipu.. jadi aku sumpah Exora tak laku.. hahaha..
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aku pun nak sumpah jugak. padahal aku sangat sayang dgn proton. i grew up with proton.
Proton – once liar, aways a liar
February 19, 2009 @ 12:16 pm
Opel Nabira, Opel Zafira… Nabira dan Zafira tak ada makna pun. Ok lah Proton Exora. Anak saya minta belikan.
February 19, 2009 @ 12:39 pm
hmm… some people here still argue why other people not satisfied with Proton choice.. asked other people to go samanlah or whatever (by anak_malaysia is it? what mentality is this?).. while a few of them already stated their reasons, it seem this ‘yes-man’ type can’t understand.. why can’t we argue about anything? it’s our right. we can. it have nothing to do about not winning, dissatisfaction or whatever, if you got your point so expressed yourself. It will be a bored world if everyone says ‘yes’ to everything. It’s easier to say ‘yes’ than ‘no’ but we can not learn anything by accepting everything being throw to us. In this case, obviously Proton decision was very doubtful (to some people) & we can comment on that (why not?). If we can’t so what the use of this comments column? To just say “Yes, good, way to go Proton, & I’m fist”? Pathetic…
February 19, 2009 @ 3:33 pm
Ok, proton made a mistake, i admit that but please do not bash like there is the end of the world. please remember, if u r trying to sue proton in court, u will loose because it already stated that proton has the right to change or amend the rules and regulations of the competition without prior notice in the rules. then, we can’t label proton 100% as a liar. case closed. ok about underpwr issue, i think that si-fu never mention that the mpv will be as powerful as sports car,but he mention that it will be powerful enough to haul the car on the road and also climbing the hill even in full load condition. if u said, weight is the problem, so why proton savvy that only had 75hp and weigh nearly 1 tan can move easily without any problem even with full load if u compare with perodua myvi that had more hp than savvy and had nearly similar weight. if u look at the rate of hp pertonne,myvi has the edge but in true world driving, it lost by a mile when compare to savvy in term of power. next is on safety standard, no one ever complaint when they are driving japanese car or p2, but always say the proton cars a “tin milo”. but in reality, have u seen any toyota vios,honda city,avanza,innova,rush in UK or any other european countries???vios,city,avanza,innova and rush are only for asian market because they know especially malaysian easy to persuade with air bags and others technical term even the malaysian did not understand the meaning and functioning of abs,airbag,ebd,trc,vtec,vvti and bla bla bla. i can guarantee that many malaysian do not fastened their seatbelt when they are driving except during roadblock or festive seasons. FOR ALL MALAYSIAN, DO YOU KNOW THAT AIR BAGS WILL NOT FUNCTIONING IF YOU DON’T WEAR YOUR SEATBELT!!!!!!!!SO WHY DO YOU WANT TO WASTE YOUR MONEY TO SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT BENEFIT. IT IS USELESS EVEN IF U HAVE 10 AIRBAGS, BUT U DO NOT FASTEN UR SEATBELT. IT IS BETTER FOR U TO BUY NON-AIRBAGS CAR AND U CAN SAVE MONEY. then, do you know, how many percentage of HTSS used in japanese cars???????? if u compare the weight of the car, japenese car is lighter compare to conti or even msian car. WHY???BECAUSE HTSS IS HEAVY,THATS WHY SAVVY WEIGHT IS NEARLY SIMILAR WITH MYVI EVENTHOUGH IT IS THE SMALLER CAR. IT ALSO MEAN JAPANESE USE LESS HTSS(LESS SAFETY)!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF U DONT BELIEVE ME, PLEASE CHECK CONTI CAR WEIGHT…AND FOR SIDE IMPACT BAR,PROTON USE DOUBLE SIDE IMPACT BAR,EVEN FOR THE PASSANGER.(please take note,proton car mean proton savvy onwards include the newly improved waja cps and gen2cps) for those who own japanese car,please check ur car now………especially for those who bought p2 cars. ONE MORE THING ON UNDERPOWER, IF PERSONA IAFM THAT ONLY HAD 110HP AND WEIGHT AROUND 1200++ IS NOT UNDER POWER, I THINK THAT 125HP FOR 1300++ MPV,SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.(AND PLEASE REMEMBER THAT I POST PERSONA IAFM, NOT THE OLD PERSONA). By the, i’m driving protn savvy and waja campro(at),my father own a saga and many of my relatives own personas, and my sisters own vios and city…i had tapau my sisters hnda city and vious with my waja on plus highway(my car is fully loaded with 5 adults and my car boot also full with bags compare to my sisters car is only load with 2 adults and3 kids without any baggage). (my car hp rating is the same as cps enjin 125hp and only a little bit more torque than cps 160nm on engine.Dyno tested) even the hp rating is the same,but cps is the superior engine compare to mine. i already test driven gen2 cps. it is like a different world between campro n cps. and cps is way better than 120ps or 118 hp new hnda city because i’m also had test drive the car. hnda city is prone to crosswind, i know because i already driving it on tanjung lumpur bridge.
February 19, 2009 @ 4:40 pm
apa bising2 … lain kali nampak keta proton empuk je … bagi puas hati
February 19, 2009 @ 4:58 pm
460 said,
February 19, 2009 @ 3:33 pm
Ok, proton made a mistake, i admit that but please do not bash like there is the end of the world. please remember, if u r trying to sue proton in court, u will loose ….
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bro,
its useless to put any pro-Proton comments here. You will be bashed and attacked big-time bro. Lucky enough if the admin not deleting your comment.
To people who like Proton we better shut our mouth and do something else rather than wasting our time here.
February 19, 2009 @ 5:00 pm
Assalamualikum dan salam sejahtera (jawab, X jawab dosa). Pasal nama kereta pun nak gaduh. small matter. oh lupa, malaysian memang suka perbesarkan benda hal kecil & remeh nie. u all nak marah, aku paham sebab masuk bertanding tapi tak menang. tapi aku tau gak yang bising tu tak puas hati sebab tak dapat MPV tu. cuba kalau nama EXORA tu tak terpilih… nama lain naik exp: Jamfira, Gazila, Rodvila ke… pun kena kutuk…
sedar diri sikit. syukur apa yang ada. kalau pertandingan pasaraya yang T&C sama cam tu tapi tak ikut gak tak pulak nak saman. semua nak duit. mata duitan…. kesian…. yang kutuk kereta malaysia pulak. kalau nak sangat bazirkan duit cam kerajaan PKR perak tu, beli camry yang tah katanya jimat… beli je kereta korea, jepun, atau europe. sila pikir sikit. kalau rakyat malaysia sokong barangan malaysia, beli barangan malaysia, tak ke tambah ekonomi malaysia. bila kita banyak beli, permintaan bertambah, bila pengeluaran bertambah, harga boleh turun lagi. kenapa nak kena ada deposit ?. sebab kat situ dah tau lepas nie brapa banyak pengeluaran yang diperlukan. jangan jadi cam negara jiran kita yang mengagungkan keluaran asing. ekonomi drop diaorang pun sangkut, tu pun nak angkuh lagi…
U ALL THING BY YOUR SELF… semua ada otak sendiri..
February 19, 2009 @ 5:00 pm
Go to this website…http://www.euroncap.com..u will know how many japanese car run test EuroNCAP.Even P2 not in the list…hehehe
February 19, 2009 @ 8:38 pm
kereta gagap said,
February 19, 2009 @ 5:00 pm · Quote
Assalamualikum dan salam sejahtera (jawab, X jawab dosa). Pasal nama kereta pun nak gaduh. small matter. oh lupa, malaysian memang suka perbesarkan benda hal kecil & remeh nie. u all nak marah, aku paham sebab masuk bertanding tapi tak menang. tapi aku tau gak yang bising tu tak puas hati sebab tak dapat MPV tu. cuba kalau nama EXORA tu tak terpilih… nama lain naik exp: Jamfira, Gazila, Rodvila ke… pun kena kutuk…
sedar diri sikit. syukur apa yang ada. kalau pertandingan pasaraya yang T&C sama cam tu tapi tak ikut gak tak pulak nak saman. semua nak duit. mata duitan…. kesian…. yang kutuk kereta malaysia pulak. kalau nak sangat bazirkan duit cam kerajaan PKR perak tu, beli camry yang tah katanya jimat… beli je kereta korea, jepun, atau europe. sila pikir sikit. kalau rakyat malaysia sokong barangan malaysia, beli barangan malaysia, tak ke tambah ekonomi malaysia. bila kita banyak beli, permintaan bertambah, bila pengeluaran bertambah, harga boleh turun lagi. kenapa nak kena ada deposit ?. sebab kat situ dah tau lepas nie brapa banyak pengeluaran yang diperlukan. jangan jadi cam negara jiran kita yang mengagungkan keluaran asing. ekonomi drop diaorang pun sangkut, tu pun nak angkuh lagi…
U ALL THING BY YOUR SELF… semua ada otak sendiri..
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bro,ni bukan psl jeles ke,membesarkan hal yang remeh ke,atau mrh psl x dpt mpv tu.tp ni soal timbang rasa.lgpon mana ada sesiapa kt sini yg nak saman proton.ini kerana mrk pun tahu bhw mrk dah tertakluk pd syarat contest bila mrk masuk contest nih(read again the previous post,get it right dude!!!).peserta rs mcm dipermain2kan krn mrk fikir nm2 ikut peruntukan syarat yg ada tiba2 lain pula yg jd pada akhirnya.Ya,ya,betul tu.mmg betul mrk ada kuasa nak ubah syarat pertdgn tnp notis,tp bertimbg rs la sket!!!satu lg psl kerjaan perak yg tukar camry,mana kau tahu yg tu satu pembaziran?tunggulah laporan maintenance kereta tu keluar then compare blik ngan laporan maintenance perdana yg dah dijual.tengok sapa lg mhl,lps 2 barulah boleh state sama ada tindakan tukar camry 2 mambazir @ tidak.
p/s:per2 pon,EXORA is a good name!!!![:)]
February 19, 2009 @ 8:55 pm
Before you guys go any further, better watch this video. There are much worst crash that you could ever imagine. It gives chills…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irTqF0wPKso
February 20, 2009 @ 9:18 am
offtopic>>
CAR&POLITICS
regarding the purchase made by PKR(perak) for Toyota, BN(ganu) for Merc, BN(sabah) for Volvo, i have another thought:
*i don’t think that proton is not that realiable. any car with excessive usage without professional maintenance will exhibit problems.
*the higher maintenance was due to not sending to proton service.
proton don’t have the detail log on the car service schedule.(proton claimed)
*the cars were sent to 3rd party for maintenance.
*the idea of those govs. were to show how the money wrongly flow. in other word, they want to get rid of this over-the -wind-money-sucker.
NAME:EXORA
Ixora is the common name for bunga siantan.
Exora behaves as a verb in Greek, as PaulTan mentioned earlier.
ps: if i had taken part in the naming contest,
i would put “Inspira – Harmony Inspiration”
February 20, 2009 @ 11:01 am
tunggu laporan maintenace camry? bleh… tapi remind la driver driver kerajan utk kete camry tu henyak or belasah kete camry tuh macam dieorg lanyak perdana…. then baru kite bleh buat fair comparison….. btul tak? =p
February 20, 2009 @ 12:49 pm
LogicallyMad said,
February 20, 2009 @ 11:01 am · Quote
tunggu laporan maintenace camry? bleh… tapi remind la driver driver kerajan utk kete camry tu henyak or belasah kete camry tuh macam dieorg lanyak perdana…. then baru kite bleh buat fair comparison….. btul tak? =p
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proud to say…agree with you 1000000%!!!!!!!!!! [:)]
February 20, 2009 @ 3:03 pm
betul! cm diorg lanyak perdana, lanyak je camry tu.
tgk ape jd? hehehe..
apple to apple la
February 20, 2009 @ 5:34 pm
regrading Exora & Rondo on loan rate,
Rondo about 86K at 2.75% rate,
Exora 76k at ?? 3.75?
Price between 2 car less than 10K, if Exora loan rate at current proton 3.75% anytime monthly loan repayment a most same, event if rate at 3.30% different not more than RM50 on load repayment. So Proton should fix Exora bank loan rate at 2.90% (like in 2005) or more low for Exora to get the car competitive (repayment still not more than RM100) , remember Rondo is 2.0L + Digital Aircond + shiftronic +-gear box + 4disc break + 145PS + 189Nm
February 21, 2009 @ 12:22 am
Wonder how can Perdana used by individual whereas a ‘government’ can’t stand the maintenance.
Even politician take part to condemn Proton. How patriotic.
Will Exora ends the same faith?
February 21, 2009 @ 1:40 pm
Wisdom said,
February 18, 2009 @ · Reply with quote
Nissan Grand Livina 1.6 Auto
1245kg
HR16DE (no variable valve timing / lift)
105hp
150Nm at 4,400rpm
84.34bhp per tonne
RM88K
Nissan Grand Livina 1.8 Auto
1280kg
MR18DE
126hp
174Nm at 4,800rpm
98.44bhp per tonne
RM98K
Toyota Avanza 1.5S Auto
1120kg
3SZ-VE from Daihatsu
109hp
141Nm at 4,400rpm
97.32bhp per tonne
RM77.1K
(Rush similar with additional 200kg weight + RM10k)
Toyota Innova 2.0G auto
1575kg
1TR-FE
136hp
182Nm at 4000rpm
86.35bhp per tonne
RM109K
Chery Eastar 2.4 auto
1505kg
4G64 (from Mitsubishi)
127hp
198Nm at 3000rpm
84.39bhp per tonne
RM82K (to date)
Naza Citra Rondo EXS
1590kg
GEMA engine
145hp
189Nm at 4250rpm
91.2bhp per tonne
RM89K
Toyota wish 1.8
1320kg
1ZZ-FE
130hp
170Nm at 4200rpm
98.48bhp per tonne
RM120K above at you nearest grey importer
Honda Stream 1.8 auto
1385kg
R18A
137hp
174Nm at 4300rpm
98.92bhp per tonne
RM146K
Proton Exora 1.6 auto
1300kg (est)
Campro 1.6 CPS
125bhp
150Nm at 4500rpm
96.15bhp per tonne
RM75K est.
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Good job Wisdom,
The only issue here is, the calculation of (BHP / Tonne) is incorrect.
The local car distributers uses “PS” for Max Power Output instead like Proton that uses BHP.
So your conversion into the formula must be changed first:
1 PS = 0.9863BHP
PS = Pferdestarke (Horse Strength – a German word and commonly used for power measurements by Asian & Japanese car manufactures)
BHP = Brake Horse Power (commonly used in Europe & US)
* CAMPRO engine is originally designed in UK by Lotus
All (PS) measurements should be converted first :
Example : (a) Exora = 125BHP is 127PS or vice versa
(b) Lavinia = 104BHP is 105PS
(c) Avanza = 108BHP is 109PS
(d) Innvova = 134BHP is 136PS
Appreciate if you redo them and publish again with weight ratio.
Cheers,
February 21, 2009 @ 1:56 pm
Woah!!!
Guys watch Harian Metro today.
Hmm I dont know about other news paper….
But in HM, got an advertisement about this p1 MPV.
Very surprising lol.
February 21, 2009 @ 3:10 pm
dwan said:
Woah!!!
Guys watch Harian Metro today.
Hmm I dont know about other news paper….
But in HM, got an advertisement about this p1 MPV.
Very surprising lol.
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Well, i guess its just a 1st round of “teaser”. Its actually in many dailies.
Wait till April….it would “Rock the MPV market”
Cheers,
February 21, 2009 @ 7:11 pm
akum..nak kata sedih ada suka pun ada. first thing pasal rakyat malaysia xkira la kaum ape pun kalau mcm nie punya mentaliti saya ingat xlama lagi negara nie pun dah boleh lelong? nak komen? patut2 laa..xtau ke negara lain jeles tgk kita yg harmoni nie….sedar xsedar mereka2 ini ada bersama kita memantau kemajuan dan perkembangan negara kita? apapun the good is everyone actually carring abaut their own NATIONAL CAR so we all have to protect our PRIDE! jangan xsedar kita diperhatikan! so apa pun go Proton and we proud to be malaysian!!
February 21, 2009 @ 8:40 pm
From proton edar website, the price starts from RM72000. The revealed specs:
-Steering with audio switches
-Overhead LCD + built in DVD with USB, SD and MMC ports
-Front/rear air conditioning
-10 cup holders
February 21, 2009 @ 10:45 pm
Exora interior unveiled… leather seaters is look great in grey, may look comfortable too… check this out guys…
http://www.proton-edar.com.my/exora/
February 22, 2009 @ 12:48 am
i visited the proton edar website and i click on “Now Open for Bookings”…and the prices are:
Proton Exora HL (A/T) (Tentative) RM 76,000.00
Proton Exora ML (A/T) (Tentative) RM 72,000.00
which means we could expect the HL to be around 75++k…
btw, no manual ar?
February 22, 2009 @ 2:02 am
Woohooo! Hey guys, it seems there’s a witch-hunt on at Proton for my true identity. That’s bcos I gave you guys ‘detailed infos’ on the mpv espc abt the body-control-module which was supposed to be a closely-guarded secret at Proton, n is only to be made known to the public comes launching day, but I beat them to it n it really pisses them off. Ha! Ha! Then when I gave you guys some figures, some went ga-ga over it, n as a result, some have to go do their maths n explanations! Well, what I was doing was sharing infos that I know with you guys n I see nothing wrong in that, n I think it did whip up some interest on the mpv. To quote one of them, “U seem to know a lot.” Yes, what I know, I share. We’re all here to share! But then again, with all the fuss kicked up at Proton, I was thinking, should I go on sharing what I know with you guys anymore? So guys, what you reckon?
Hint to Proton guys : I hail from where friends remain loyal, attached to a firm producing cheap biscuits, across prairie where there’re no rings in ears!
February 22, 2009 @ 2:19 am
Oh forgot to tell you guys. I’ve placed 5 bookings for the mpv using 5 different names at 5 different outlets. They are more for investment purpose. Get my drift?
February 22, 2009 @ 2:27 am
[quote comment="213115"]i visited the proton edar website and i click on “Now Open for Bookings”…and the prices are:
Proton Exora HL (A/T) (Tentative)
RM 76,000.00
Proton Exora ML (A/T) (Tentative)
RM 72,000.00
which means we could expect the HL to be around 75++k…
btw, no manual ar?[/quote]
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better pick the M-line.
February 22, 2009 @ 4:25 am
kah kah kah!!! I just knew about this,actually “EXORA” is a name of cooking oil and a face powder.
see this:
http://www.tantuco.com/images/product-pics/product-exora-cooking-oil.jpg
and this:
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu168/gondrongbisu/117328186_7c3cb42337.jpg
sorry to say but I just want to share
P/s:what about you si-fu?
February 22, 2009 @ 9:28 pm
For a moment I thought I won… a quick check then ….. I submitted Xenora …. bummer
February 23, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
NutzeyWagen said,
February 22, 2009 @ 2:19 am · Reply with quote
Oh forgot to tell you guys. I’ve placed 5 bookings for the mpv using 5 different names at 5 different outlets. They are more for investment purpose. Get my drift?
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Rrriteee…..
U got 5k to waste rite? 1k per bookings… must be lots of money from v****rs… huh?
February 23, 2009 @ 7:53 pm
[quote comment="214255"]NutzeyWagen said,
February 22, 2009 @ 2:19 am · Reply with quote
Oh forgot to tell you guys. I’ve placed 5 bookings for the mpv using 5 different names at 5 different outlets. They are more for investment purpose. Get my drift?
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Rrriteee…..
U got 5k to waste rite? 1k per bookings… must be lots of money from v****rs… huh?[/quote]
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Hello there dear friend, I’m not ‘rasuah’ type of guy, ok? Have never been n will never be n I’m proud of that! Those 5Ks are my hard earned savings using my blood, sweat n tears over the years. I’m not wasting them either. I believe that when this mpv have been launched, there’ll be a long waiting list, n that’s when I’ll go in with my offers to impatient buyers. (Knowing how Msians are). Maybe a profit of say, 1K per mpv, n I’ll make 100% profit from my investments. Much, much better than putting my money in savings a/c n earning only a paltry sum from interests paid out by banks nowadays. FYI, I won’t be keeping any for myself as I already have 3 vehicles in my possession for 3 in the family. I sincerely think I’m making a good move here. Don’t you think so my dear friend? I think an apology is warranted here (for your implication that I am taking money from v****rs)!
Chiao!
February 23, 2009 @ 9:52 pm
end up like juara……………..
February 24, 2009 @ 12:37 pm
Hi!
Most of the time i don’t like posting, i prefer to keep things to my self rather that sound st***d.
Anyway, i like to remind those who so proud of the NCAP crash test. Please take note that, all test, especially something dangerous like involving crashing cars, must follow certain safety procedures.
Bottomline, test is a test, regardless of what kind of test, i.e. carried out in control enviroment. That why Malaysia army prefer battle proven equipment (stated long time ago by previous PM), not lab proven!
None of you ever mentioned about white Satria Neo accident last new year night (or may be i’m the one who miss it, my appology if i did). God knows (and,may be the Investigation Officer, the speedometer might point to the actual speed at the time of impact) how fast the car was speeding! The engine and the girls thrown out. It is safe to say that the girl never buckle up. I assume she sit at the back and the second girl sit in front. Both the front passenger and driver most likely buckle up (they didn’t fly!) suffer serious injury. I don’t thing the car fitted with air bags (white coulour, all H-lines are metallic, correct me if i wrong).
The car’s overall structure remain intact as shpn in the news.
Now., this real live crash should indicate actual rigidity of the vehicle. If si-fu say the Exora’s body was good, I say, it is good.
Furthermore, Exora had air bags as standards. Si-fu, please consider more air bags for higher end version.
Any comment? (sure the bashers won’t keep quite,
)
February 24, 2009 @ 2:19 pm
Sifu, maybe Proton should set a special division,special to rush to any proton car accident and make some research about what features and equipments failure.Merc and Bmw do that.but maybe its going to be an additional budget to run.maybe proton can make study in other angle of view,such as driver behavior and weather condition..i dont know if this is irrelevent for proton to do.n i aspect more of malaysian wont see this as a factor to support proton.em,its just my oppinions.the things is,proton must change malaysian view on jap cars.or does it becoz of our DASAR PANDANG KE TIMUR?
just my 2kupang
February 24, 2009 @ 2:44 pm
[quote comment="211100"]
and again!.. I dislike Chips Yap, he biased to hate proton.. why?
You please check.. most of the protons car review (front page), he will make a forum post (hiddenly – for people to bash it) and that makes proton look bad. .Others car = no forum post ie : for you (basher) to comments. I just noticed it since years ago..
Maybe just me or accidentally.[/quote]
Back when Gen2 wasnt launched yet, MTM put a spy pic of gen2 n proton (TM was still the CEO at that time) actually got chips held up at bukit aman for hours to “take his statements”.
I dun quite like him either but I think it’s fair he is like that bcuz of that incident. Something to ponder: he’s a big toyota fan. Go figure. We know the typical mentality of proton fan n toyota fan.
February 25, 2009 @ 12:48 am
the only proton i like is the saga. yup. those days when it first came out, many ppl critize it. but after more then 20yrs of owing one i say its really a good car and very reliable. although tampal badge. but nevermind bout tha.
what about the others after the saga….. sadly say, mot of em are crap.. Why? becouse most of em does not have soul in it. just plastic. the worst part is, the designer have no soul. hence their works also had no soul. They cant even forecast the market. what ppl want. Previously i own an e30, currently an old sei perdana which drive far worse then my 87 coupe e30. gear box perdana mmg mcm gam*ang. even my current 76 celica more reliable then it. Proton is a curse. Sorry for highlighting this. but those who work in proton need to wake up and face the fact that most of you kerja kat kilang tu hanya untuk cari makan sahaja. You are not passionate about ur job. yg menyedihkan masih ingat diri tu best sangat. wake up la jangan bermimpi lagi.
Thats what wrong with proton. the people have no soul, no passionate about automotive. buat benda asal siap aje.
you cannot make good cars. even the old skool saga are far better then the new proton car….. Designer R&D korang buat haa? Buat keta LEGO k
p/s exora ke izora ke. facts is, u have just broke the rule
February 25, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
Azrink,
That’s what industry called QC problem, i.e. improper quality control. I had to admit that i agree with you.
I got friend who work in the production line of P1 long time ago. Sometime, he don’t even have enough time to properly tighten all bolts/nuts/screw but his supervisor ask him to move the vehicle to next section.
Why? Commercial pressure….
He resigned already.
Anyway, I owned 3 proton cars already (Wira 1.3 A/B (trade-in for Iswara LMSS) and Gen-2) All of them in good shape, lucky me. Except for the Gen2, when i first recieve it, some thing moving left and right inside the dash whenever i turn. After a while the sound missing, most likely it was a loose bolt, nut or screw. Now, after 3 yrs, the Gen 2 experience few problems, for the Iswara LMSS, no problem at all, even its already 6 yrs!
So, Azrink’s point valid, at least part of it.
Si-fu, think again, because of the production line allow one loose screw somewhere, people thought the Proton screwed up. All the R&D hard work go to drain beacause of them!
I know, Proton already improve in manufacturing process by intoducing new system, i can’t remember what they called it, but it was in the news long time ago. The Savvy assembly line received TUV’s thumb up. The Tanjung Malim’s plant received ISO
Regardless of TUV or ISO, the R&D should play their rule to overcome the QC issue. You guys should design parts that are easy to assemble, wired ,install and above all, made of good quality material. This will expedite the assembly and improve the end product quality. Anyway, i do believe that Proton learned from their mistake. I heard that there already trimmed down the vendor, from 2000 ++ to 600 ++. Wise move.
Any way, back to Exora.
Sifu, you mentioned earlier, Proton had a lot of inovation in it, i wonder…………….just keep my fingger crossed.
February 25, 2009 @ 11:30 pm
Yup agreed, in one way proton did very well but the QC issue really piss me off. Proton need to be innovate n put some soul to their product. otherwise like i said it just 1 chunk of a plastic.
Proton need to think ahead n not follow others. common la. tak kan dalam proton xde sorang pun yg benar2 passionate about their job. Put some soul in ur product plz,and i bet ppl will appreciate u more.
Certainly we cannot please everyone but not doing much aint gonna help either. I love cars, actually i own 4 now. a saga (my late dad pass it to me), a perdana sei and a 76 toyota celica liftback. oops i’ve said 4.. hmm minus my bmw e30 coupe which already gone due to my own carelessness. I love all my car but the perdana really piss me off. now alredy 6 mth not jalan. coz i’m feddup with it. after i repair one part another problem occur, after repair that problem another problem arise. and the head lights. Foggy already. the plastic glasses deteriate already.
i hope guys at proton change their thir attitude towards their daily work. be passionate bout ur job. please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU3WKGQUACA
February 26, 2009 @ 8:00 pm
design ok…cun..cuma aku pelik….exora tu menatang ape?
masa launching dy ckp ixora tu bunga,esok klua statement dlm paper ckp bkn bunga plak…ni yg menang ni mesti kroni2 dyorg dy jugak….
February 26, 2009 @ 11:24 pm
Saya cadangkan peminat2 mpv ni jangan terburu-buru nak beli,coz first batch ni u all kena ingat tentu banyak problem punye… mcm waja, myvi dulu mula kuar! tunggu 2,3 thn lagi baru ok pakai…tul tak?btul,btul,btul!(mcm upin@ipin ckp tu…)
February 27, 2009 @ 10:13 am
[quote comment="215650"]design ok…cun..cuma aku pelik….exora tu menatang ape?
masa launching dy ckp ixora tu bunga,esok klua statement dlm paper ckp bkn bunga plak…ni yg menang ni mesti kroni2 dyorg dy jugak….[/quote]
exora tu jenama sejenis minyak masak yang mana minyak masak ini turut berkongsi nama dgn sejenis bedak muka.cuba type kat mana2 search engine(contohnya flickr) pastu tengok gambar apa yg keluar.pasal hari tu aku buat kat flickr,taip exora keluar gambar bunga,taip ixora pun keluar gambar bunga jugak.pasal kroni plak,aku rasa itu satu kemungkinan yg mungkin. : lol : : lol :
March 9, 2009 @ 3:23 pm
exora or what ever.. we’re just worried bout’ the 1st batch, always.
March 11, 2009 @ 11:18 am
support la buatan malaysia…wat as name it like the car right??
but..gud luck to PROTON for new model…
March 11, 2009 @ 4:30 pm
at first mmg i nak enter the contest and mmg dalam kepala i nak letak nama exora tu.. (maklumlah tgh femes citer ezora)..kmd i check dalam kamus ianya sejenis bunga..bila tgk syarat2 xleh nama flora dan fauna.. terus x jadi masuk…
last2 bila dgr nama Exora menang i rasa frust sgt!!! huaaaa
March 12, 2009 @ 1:14 pm
i submitted in the name Lexora, defining confidence….
but they chose exora…..
too unlucky for me but lucky for her…
March 12, 2009 @ 5:46 pm
Please laa..stop bashing each other.. wait till the final product launch……….. now everybody are not so intelligent to comment about EXORA yet.. PEACE…
SELAMAT HARI RAYA..GONG XI FA CAI..HAPPY DEEPAVALI…MARRY CHRISTMAS for all of you…WE ARE PROUD TO BE MALAYSIAN rite??
March 25, 2009 @ 4:13 pm
Hidup Exora !….horsepower hanya 125hp only….Bolehland..
March 27, 2009 @ 8:39 pm
proton will still proton..dont thnk it is value 4 money n how d middle class n upper class want 2 support 4 buying nasional car if d price r killing n d level r cheap.infact if made in malaysia,d price n quality must b reasonable maaaa
March 28, 2009 @ 4:18 pm
proton exora memang best. rugi kalau tak beli. Saya dah booking satu.
pasti x akan menyesal.
April 2, 2009 @ 10:03 pm
wow, picture sees all indonesian people
we are starting to build cars that seem to look like they are made in china
April 6, 2009 @ 7:12 pm
Dah bawak baru tau
Banding yang mana baik bila dah test nanti. Biasanya yang baru memang baik. Cuma kena ingat boleh tahan macamnana setahun, sebulan ke ke ke.. Bila dah beli susah nak pulang