It’s the hottest model of the moment, and the most talked about for sure. It’s also the first recipient of Proton’s long awaited turbocharged engine, the Campro Charged Fuel Efficiency (CFE). It’s the refreshed Exora, the Exora Bold.
After countless sightings, both clothed and naked, Proton finally officially unveiled the Exora Bold and the range topping Exora Prime last Thursday. With an aggressive facelift and a new powertrain that’s so much more appealing on paper, the Exora is making a strong case to be the best MPV under RM100k.
We’ve driven it already – first impressions and full gallery after the jump.
Here’s a refresher on how the refreshed MPV stacks up. The Exora Bold wears a new face that’s well, bolder and more aggressive, mainly due to the “fanged” lower bumper. The headlamps have darkened housings and the elaborate rear lights have a “tinted” look as well.
There’s a subtle bodykit, including a rear diffuser style piece (painted black) and larger 16-inch wheels. The latter plays a big part in the sportier image and its double-spoke design is much better than the plain old one. I quite like this new Elegant Brown hue, too. It looks rather handsome for a big box, and quite premium relative to price point rivals.
Kit-wise, the Premium CVT is well stocked. Two-tone leather seats with matching door cards, leather-wrapped steering, fog lamps, electric foldable wing mirrors, cruise control and reverse camera with rearview mirror LCD are standard. The latter is useful and similar to the system seen in the Kia Forte 6-Speed. The centre stack, which houses a Clarion head unit with Bluetooth and AUX, is finished with “liquid silver” trim. Wood is reserved for the six-seater Prime.
As usual for the Exora, there’s an overhead DVD player (also accepts USB and SD cards) with flip out LCD screen and roof air con vents for every row. A/C fan speed for the rear section can be independently controlled.
The highlight is of course the CFE engine, which is the latest iteration of Proton’s Campro. Following the downsizing method of a forced-fed smaller capacity engine in place of a say, 2.0L NA unit, the CFE puts out 138 hp and 205 Nm, healthy figures by any measure. By the way, CFE did not start life as a Campro CPS, but is massively reworked from the original Campro engine.
Besides the soft turbocharger (0.75 bar), there’s intake VVT (first in the Campro series, not to be confused with CPS, which is more of a valve lift system) and a “torque-based” 32-bit ECU unique to the CFE. On a whole, engineers say that 70% of engine components are new and unique to the CFE. On the spec sheet, you’ll notice a shorter stroke and lower compression ratio (8.9 instead of 10). Look at the diagram for the rest of the changes.
Paired to the Punch sourced continuously variable transmission (CVT), 0-100 km/h is done in 11.3 seconds, not 13.3 seconds as previously thought. We now have a hard copy of the brochure, which lists the faster time. The 13.3 figure came from the leaked scan sent to us by a reader, which is an older and not-finalised version of the brochure. Quoted top speed is 185 km/h and fuel consumption at a constant 90 km/h is 7.8 litres per 100 km.
By the way, the CVT unit used here is not identical to the one used in the Saga FLX. The one here (internal code CVT3) comes with a higher torque rating (220 Nm instead of 186 Nm) and the oil cooler is also more powerful (12.5 kW instead of 10 kW) to cope with the higher load. Also, Proton will only use the original CVT fluid (ExxonMobil EZL799) to maximise reliability.
Turbocharged CFE does not have the CPS system, but comes with intake VVT
The CFE + CVT drivetrain completely transforms the Exora experience. Proton’s first full MPV was a good drive all along, bringing a more sophisticated level of ride and handling to the affordable MPV sector. It is also family friendly, comes with more space than price rivals and has all the features one expects for the money. However one major “could be better” point for us was the strength of the Campro CPS mill, or rather the lack of.
You see, the 1.6-litre CPS is the sort of motor that requires “spanking” to get the best out of it, coming alive in the higher regions of the tacho. This isn’t a bad thing in itself, and there’s a certain pleasure to be had in coaxing out the performance, but an MPV isn’t the best vehicle for such histrionics. It is the lack of low end torque that gave rise to the impression of the Exora being “underpowered.”
110 km/h is done at a relaxed 2,400 rpm; toggling the trip computer is a hassle
Enter the turbocharged CFE. With peak torque of 205 Nm coming into play at 2,000 rpm and staying there all the way to 4,000 rpm, the previously lethargic approach has been banished for good. Combined with the instantaneous rise in revs brought by the CVT, the Bold is quick off the line and response is good. The CFE isn’t as smooth revving as the 1.6L Prince engine found in Peugeots and MINIs, but it’s not particularly coarse as well, so all’s good.
Usual CVT rules apply, so when one’s in a hurry, there’s a lot of groan and moan from the engine. But there’s a Stepped Automatic Transmission (SAT) button that causes the ‘box to emulate a six-speed conventional torque converter AT. Press it and you do feel the revs fall back “for the next gear,” but the “gearchanges” are blunt and slow.
With SAT activated, the CVT will try to emulate a torque converter auto ‘box
We first encountered the AT-mimicking CVT in the facelifted Corolla Altis, and Toyota’s rendition remains more convincing. Otherwise, the Punch CVT works decently enough, even if it falls short of Nissan’s CVTs for cohesiveness. Personally, I’m not a fan of CVT, but Proton picked it for efficiency, and you can’t argue with that.
There is another function that eluded most of us journos, the “L” function. Pushing the lever down from D to L is sort of like activating a “Sport Mode”, where the revs rise by about 1,000 rpm with the same throttle opening, giving more sense of urgency along with some added noise. However, I found the physical shift action from D to L a little sticky. Small matter, that.
Drive-wise, the Exora rides well despite the wheel upsize to 16 inches. It showed a steady high speed highway ride and good composure on the poorly surfaced B roads that made up a big portion of our route to Tanjung Jara on the East Coast. Unlike some rivals, there’s no hopping around at the rear, and even the few big potholes we hit met with adequate damping.
Steering precision and feel were a little short of Proton’s usual standards, but just about acceptable for an MPV. However, they could have done better than the GT Radial Champiro tyres on our test car. A tyre swap will be a good investment.
From the driver’s seat, the view out is superb, thanks to the generous glass areas (passengers will enjoy this too) and the new reverse camera with rear view camera display is very useful. I also liked the feel of the chunky leather wrapped steering wheel and the individual fold down arm rest for the front seats.
One inconvenience is the process of jogging the info (range, average FC, etc) on the trip computer. There’s just a single button, so you press it till “ODO” shows on the right display, before doing a long press to switch data on the left display. Quite hard to fully concentrate on the road ahead when doing this.
As a middle row passenger, I was thankful for my personal air con vent (rear section fan speed is independently controlled) and the ability to catch a movie (I didn’t), but felt that the bench was a little short and flat.
With the addition of a turbocharged engine and more kit, it’s easier to forget that the Exora Bold is not a rival to the Mazda 5, Honda Stream, Peugeot 5008 and gang, but an RM80k MPV that fights cars like the Toyota Avanza and Nissan Grand Livina. The Proton is a more sophisticated and well-rounded product than those two – it drives better, has a lot more go, has more space and more kit. If a foreign badge is not a must have, this is the best MPV below RM100k one can buy in Malaysia.
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no ugly wood huh?
tht 1 is for PRIME……
optimus prime!
Sentinel Prime!!!
prime minister
haiyaa…!!! it exora bold prime la….
the wood can be found in PRIME. but trust me, it’s not ugly. just go and see it with own eyes, and you might agree.
yup.. still ugly but was a lot better than in pix.. surprised me too
if u dont like it, carbon fibre wrapped it for 50 bucks…. end of story…
or wait for few months, there will be tonnes of aftermarket products…
wood console cant be the deciding point to buy the car or not…. but perhaps it is to you?
this exora bold meter is quite dissapointed! the font of the meter i think is using the same font as the viva! em, i think its should hv chrome ring.. same as ezi viva…
ya. agree.
yeap..for full spec mpv..i expect the meter should be a bit pretty…maybe optitron style or even same like satria neo.
ya laaa… even the meter console on savvy is much nicer
agree 100 percent!!
agree proton should redesign meter panel with colour lights and chrome ring. It much look PRIME.
the wood that can be found in Exora PRIME is looking nice in real…
Walao, the Superman’s brief steering….really beh tahan.
The only reason why Sub-Contractor Encik MoFaZ says the wood is good is because those woods are cut-off from Mofaz’s “ladang ternakan kayu” (cheap wood nursery).
The rest are self-explanatory. Sendiri-sendiri faham.
Haha,
Happy New Year Chap!
Thank you for brighten up some of us who has put all the blame on proton. Come on see it, feel it and then put a comment.
I HAVE TEST DRIVE THIS CAR. I CAN SAY BETTER THAN CPS ANY TIME. WHEN I PURSHASE CPS BASE ON THE TECHNICAL SPEC BULL SHIT TIPU SAHAJA. 125PS NO WAY. I NEED TO OFF THE AIRCOND AFTER BENTUNG TOL.
No need for caps lock..we got your point..
I have once CPS Exo which has served 2 years and 3 month. No need to turn off the air cond after Bentong Toll. Maybe you should Rev it at the correct RPM…
you shall switch to L3 when hiking at more than 45..i always upfront before ipoh menora tunnel..i owned 3years already the normal CPS model so far no such problem as i commute to Taiping weekly
dude your right my father rent adn it is a wate car,batter you can buy the new toyota innova
For me the best looking and high performance MPV below 200k is VW Cross Touran saw the car and it’s so beautiful…below 100k is Exora…Avanza and Innova r just terrible !
100% agreed with u
Aggree just sold my 2009 innova..really regret,heavy drinker fc,suspension like lorry,tired for longdistnce drive,anyway this new exora reallly catch my eye..looking for good fc mpv,cps model fc as high as innova…
Another poting sales man talk. Innova ia a much better car if campare to this junk piece of metal.
Ya, true…innova & hilux share the same ladder chassis frame. Although can carry heavy load, it will surely drink petrol due to the heavy chassis…its better if innova use the diesel D4D engine lol! Being a truck chassis, sure more bouncy & less comfortable. Agree with u.
i think ford s-max is best mpv under 200k. but touran, 5008 and c4 picasso is great too…
it looks so much better without the tiger WOODS!
nothing special.alza still better..
Celah mana lagi better? FC? Easy parking? Kamon la… Enough with this stupid comparison.. This Alza not in the same class with Alza… Alza is good and this Exora also good but u cannot compared both car… its like u compare Myvi and Viva… diff size, diff target market, diff class….
alza sempitla bro..
alza enjin toyota..
Alza is an MPV is it????….fuck off with stupid comments!
i’m a proud p2 owner..but i have to admit that exora is the most worth to buy mpv in msia. alza is not a mpv, it is a a myvi with big boot or extra seat.
Ken is perodua salesman.. He just wanna sell the alza to earn money, he doesnt mind to conn ppl coz he never owned alza
agree! the only reason i wont buy exora is because i dont really need the extra 3rd row sear. otherwise it would be a good choice for a family car.
“kereta juga mpv” –> Alza
CONFUSE JE..!!!…..”lori juga bas” atau “lori ke bas”—> lokebas
Ha ha ha …slogan tuk laku keta je tu….keta is keta la….mpv is mpv la.. kawan
Just bought and used the Exora bold for one week, everything internal is fine as claim, but, my major concern is the milleage is not as per spec, the fuel consumption is 15L/100km and not 7.8L/km as spec.
Damm upset, this is brand new and clock in 453 km only. Will send to SC for tuning and checking , but not so convience that this will solve the high fuel consumption issues. Really doubt Proton claim as the RPM seem to stay at 2000 rpm even at very low speed <60km .
Not sure, if I can get full refund if I wish to return the car.
Other complain:
– the inter cooler sound is very noisy, even when you are in the car
– and if you press the pedal too hard the whole car seem vibrating
yea, batter buy new innova more smoother and cool than all those mpv
It is a guzzler, cost twice as much to travel compared to my hilux. Any ideas where things went wrong..
video please!
Me used this Exora bold plat No WWM for last 2 month.
For the first month yes true the fuel consumption within that range, BUT for me is just because the exciting feeling with the boost, even in the highway i am ‘playing’ with estima, avanza (for sure manual, hehehe), inspira (faster car)…. easily got clocked to 170kmj with load of my wife, 3 kids and lugggage (this not good :-D)
After that, my full tank with balance 50km in the tank (below 50k the distant disappear) can reach 600km…. this happend with a good and relax driving style. BELIEVE ME…
An interesting owner review that is over a year from the article date. I myself test drove the facelifted Grand Livina last week as I’m searching for the most comfortable MPV for family trips and to be perfectly honest, the Livina was utterly disappointing.
Looking forward to test driving the Exora this coming wednesday.
i like the last word – “this is the best MPV below RM100k one can buy in Malaysia.” perhaps comparable to 240Nm Alphard engine since Alphard body is bigger, boxier and less aerodynamic. not the luxuriness, just the engine performance….
the alphard is easily double the price, and should one is interested in warranty – buy from UMW (upon request). I heard the price fetches as high as 500K (due to japan CBUstatus and tax structures).
i dont think so, UMW toyota wanna earn more money, thats y so expensive. thats y charge u 500k
what i mean is, performance-wise, exora perhaps can beat alphard. of course the price is multi-fold, cannot compare. and the market segment is way different.
Toyota and Nissan should start feeling afraid with their avanza and livina right now..priced higher yet stats which are bettered by proton..to that, I say ‘Well done Proton!’
if toyota and nissan can fight with the proton exora with a fair competition…long time proton died ady…because of tax….consumer shift to proton…otherwise …sorry proton
why in the world people are still saying this. haih….
come on la… be fair… proton cars also get the same tax as other cars in Malaysia…
Not really bro. not really. Yes exora also have been tax but how much? 3K only you know . 3k only. So without tax is 86k for prime. avanza alone been tax for 22k. Not same bro. not same.
yes bro, yes bro, i really fall in love with Exora bold,with Exora bold. i want one,sure i want one
broo……im not going to buy inova or avanza even the price equal to exora bold. Design wise outdated. Toyota need fresh design to outdo the competition.
i eat KFC and i must pay gov tax too…
tax is gov income…
anjez… I’ve enough of this kind of comments.. same old garbage!
Grow up. Toyota has better things to do than think about it. They’ve years of experience in this business.
at the end of the day, it all boils down to reliability. proton+turbo engines? hmmm… and not to mentioned after sales service, go figure.
p.s. comparing Alphard and Exora really made me laugh out loud!
Will the P3-21A be using the same engine?
So Danny, will u buy it 4 urself?
Nope, I won’t be needing an MPV anytime soon :)
Let say if you need an mpv. Which you’ll choose?
Loaded question, jolly idiot!! Loaded question!! :D
Since I’m cornered, I won’t mind a Honda Odyssey Absolute!
2005 recond one- rm150k
cannot stand the odyssey long ugly back
..this review is like pain to the journalist, not sure if 1.6 turbo still capable to that heavy body! One thing for sure, the engine will be hot among gen 2, pesona, so i believe another hot car for the thief!!!
where have u been?….
the vw cross touran have a 1.4 liter while the pug 5008 have a 1.6 liter, but all this including these new exora are turbocharged,…look at the torque figures, cross touran 220nm/5008 at 240nm/new exora at 205nm and compare these to those Japs Mazda 5/ stream/wish 2.0 which cannot even reach 200nm plus the Japs peak torque are all above 4,000rpm…go figure
what u mean pain to journo? another hot car for thief – i suppose that is a compliment
not that simple, wiring, harness and ECU definitely not match. Most important the 32 bit TB ECU
i tink u r the thief..
A thief that can read perhaps…
Nice one. Really good reviews.
This is first impression review. Not really complete and I wish a more thorough one will follow.
Or better yet – do a shootout with G.Livina, Innova, Wish etc.
Yes do a shootout… but not the one like Exora vs Alza shootout… where they give professional driver to drive alza and average uncle to drive Exora.. doing slalom etc.. then they compare… WTH was that? Not even close to fair comparison… Obviously the professional driver will do better than the uncle… haiyaa… (i think every know which tv show does that =p)
i sold my innova after i took it to kelantan and back, Overtaking speeds is ridiculous and almost cause a head on. Not suitable for 2 way roads.
gotta ask, is there any manual override for the transmission? It gets quite hairy when going down hill (e.g. after the menora tunnel) in a fully laden vehicle. Unless of course its one of those fuzzy logic gearboxes that kick down a gear when going down slopes.
that’s what the L (Low ratio) gear “ratio” is used for. (ie. Gunakan Gear Rendah)
All cars without Manual mode has that L-position to keep the revs up for engine braking.
dont be surprise…majority of auto user didnt know how to use to lower gear..didnt even know what is o/d button is all about. the best part is, they think the o/d button will gives them extra hp!
all they know is, put into d and drive..
sounds like me tho :-p
hahaha..same..i never own any auto but driven it several time b4, i guess i rather cramping my leg than putting on a dull face and cozy-fold my left leg..
hehehe kantoi. nah..i always tell ppl it’s easier to use o/d button (or shift to 3) whenever u wanna get immediate extra speed to ‘potong’. its safer like that since u can control the gear.
I like the two toned seat upholstry… nice. Hope it performs & up to expectation…
Need to own it a bit longer to really know its worth it.
Of course, with turbo and special tune for the press ride, is it the same thing sold to the public?
Even the oil,maybe 97.
For below 100k or near to it, people looking at the Innova n Livina.
I think the Livina will put up a good fight.
60k plus Exora ok…..90k plus…..really need to…..thiiiiink……n thiiiink some more
the livina is a fine MPV.. to me.. its got slightly better build quality, slightly nice plastics.. but the biggest problem is.. its tooooo small… can get very cramped for an MPV.. also.. its definitely down on power compared to CFE.
yes, way too small, sold mine
buy innova if ride comfort comes last. the ride is on harsh side.
Harlo brother, sister………just visited their website…..4 link leh not leaf spring ar.
Aiya the float v easi to settle just fit in rubber bushes in the rear springs.
Usually, to spring up the rear for more load….end up like this one.
Tyres also important. Tyre pressure too.
“Even the oil,maybe 97.”
hello mr SatBer.. you just even unable to differentiate between OIL & FUEL.. how can you put those sceptical issues on Exora? for that 97 figure, the correct term is FUEL
(RON 97), NOT OIL… LOL :-D
don’t be petty! i think he meant fuel oil which is correct. oil has many types. he is certainly not referring to lubricant.
I test drive Livina before and it is SMALL compare to Exora. At the I bought a Exora. It a good and comfort car.
Nice review! If they put this engine in satria neo or persona, and couple it with manual transmission.. I think that’s not too much to ask from Proton right? *Fingers crossed*
why left out manual transmission for exora? if that’s available, i prefer that. read about CFE to couple with getrag 6-speed manual tranny few months back. that project still ongoing?
performance wise, manual is lot better than auto..but for a family mpv, i dont really a 6 speed manual. unless u’r driving a satria neo.
mostly i use my car from and to work (seldom involve jam) and for long distance drive, so auto or cvt are less important for me. both are good, but i guess its just me prefer the manual ;-)
6 speed? no need lah. CVT3 already replace it. U can have how many speed setting u want. Drive with comfort lah..
i think the tranmission did u meant will launch after few month believe me,it’s a marketing plan maa
Good job Proton!…
No doubt the best MPV under 100k
16 inch rims fit nicely for exora… looks really good..
Danny read somewhere in forums that they also have revised the springs and damping for this new Exora – also the rubbers are specifically developed for this model – the first time with asymmetric pattern and silica compound. if the reports are to be believed – did these improved qualities show in your test drive
The retuned suspension is no surprise, since it’s quite a different animal now, and there are bigger wheels to boot.
But Proton didn’t say anything about the tyres. The Exora is a pleasant drive, never clumsy, and ride comfort is good.
What about NVH… didnt see it in the review.. Family MPV like this m ust have very good NVH.. otherwise wifey complain car too noisy lah… please update the review and comment on the NVH.
Would be awesome if they put the CFE engine into Neo.
The real Masked Ryder don’t agree !
Satria Neo must equip with higher boost Turbo Charged, so that it can burn the Veloster & Koup !!
Back to Exora Bold CFE the super cun exterior are really spoilted by the mix match interior, that is one of the worst design meter i have seen, P1 please get a new interior designer for your furture model.
Complement must be given to the exterior designer especially the front bumper (Peter Schyerer eat your heart out).
I don understand why you guys want to burn the veloster or koup?
You guys feel so insecure until you have to burn them?
Even when i drive my wife’s koup out with my kids, i get scores of satrias, vios, and what not who wants to eat or tapao me. Sometimes when im not with my kids, i will play along, eating satrias with ease on the straights. Corners better don’t as satrias are very good in the corners. Vios not so easy at lower speeds due to their weight advantage. But at highway speed, its not too difficult.
However koups are cruisers. Most ppl who drives a koup hardly cares about tapao or who is faster. Its just the cheapest way to travel in style. Perhaps most ppl won’t understand that.
To them, a car is better only if its faster.
What a hero, beating a 1.5 & 1.6 with your 2.0 car. zzz.ZZZ
Come back to me when u beat Mazda 3 MPS & Renault RS 250.
Well.
I was trying to make a point which is stated in the last line of my comment. And you only look at the specs of the cars in my short story.
In other word, you only have “tapao” in your mind, while im talking about something completely different.
Its ok my friend. I blame the education system for not teaching you critical thinking and basic comprehension to look at the paragraph and extract what am i trying to say.
second that..he didnt read your comment properly..maybe he still a budak sekolah…sorry for him..pprrfffhhh
agree with you on that… It really sicken me that some people never learn to comprehend the whole statement.. They just like to pick info in bits and pieces.
I read it all, ur writing is full of Chauvinism & nothing more than “Showing Off” with ur lemon brand cheap toy, why else u need to remind other that ur wife own an Kia Koup “Repeatedly”
I am quite sure my education is adequiate enough to get ur hidden agenda.
Well again.
We let paultan commentators make their judgement based on their thumbs up/down on how good you are at reading/comprehending comments and your level of education. No dramas there.
A kia koup is a lemon brand cheap toy ? You have revealed yourself finally.
Further writing would just review ur true color.
Maybe for u thumb up & thumb down here are the measurement of life satisfaction, no wonder you need to remind other from time to time, either directly or indirectly that your wife own a KIA Koup.
As the saying go “Empty Vessel Make The Most Sound”
I am quite sure many forumer here own a better drive, yet apart from u & a few, they do not “Advertise” aka “Tayang” their wealth, not that a 115K Koup is a “Big Deal” anyway.
Since this is Exora CFE article, i would out an end to these non constructive argument.
Ah. A self appointed moderator.
Whatever makes you happy mate.
Its all fine with me.
And i must have hit a nerve. Its ok. Must have a bad childhood. Were you bullied when you were a kid hence the anger within. You want a lolly?
You have to let it go. Life is too short my friend.Take it easy.
TurboMan. You the man. Whacking pathetic commentators like Masked Ryder as well as this new pathetic Kiasu commentator. Seriously, i appreciate the way you made a solid point, where you pointed out the flawed, yet outright stupid comments some anti-Korean car bashers can make.
Don’t get me wrong here, i’m not saying your Koup is the best car in the world, nor the Japs are that rubbish, but the way some people tries to turn this place, like how you said, a manhood measuring contest.
To Kiasu no Kiasi, i’d suggest you keep that bloody arrogant mouth of yours shut, if you’re only wanting to look for arguements here. Pathetic attention-seeker-cum-troll. My goodness.
David D. You the man too. Fighting the good fight in other posts.
Well, don get me wrong too. Im not and had never said koup is the best in the world. But its just the ppl who are so anti korean and that masked ryder who enjoys eating koup and veloster so much, hence my points above
That kiasu guy is so obviously lost in the plot and too stubborn to admit it.
The word “bodoh sombong” comes to mind, but well, to each his own.
Good to see mature and level headed commentators are still alive and kicking in this blog!
I will be your first customer.
I love my vios. Vios is the best car in the world.
Season’s Greetings To All (Since its Christmas) !
Kiasu, I drive a Vios! I love to bits too. Cuz it does what I want it to do pretty darn well. :)
So, what’s wrong if oth ppl out there drive oth cars that they feel is best for them?
No need to bash lar bro. If TurboMan wants to drive a Koup so be it larr…
It is quite a good looking car after all :)
So no matter what car u drive, its all good Bro! Despite what some ppl may say’lar! hahahaha!!
Happy Holidays All!
Forgot to say, if anyone wanna buy a New vios from me, please contact my email.
Masked-Ryder@hotmail,com
Will give great offer.
harap sgt neo akan kuar turbocharge…
this year they stopped production of neo, savvy, perdana,
but next year’s tuah will get CFE engine,
if tuah completely replaces persona, it will have multiple trims and variants
but if it doesnt, Tuah will only have 1 trim….. ( two metallic and solid…)
They dont stop the production of neo la…it still going on but only for the H-line which come with cps
“…but an RM80k MPV that fights cars like the Toyota Avanza and Nissan Grand Livina. The Proton is a more sophisticated and well rounded product than those two – it drives better, has a lot more go, has more space and more kit…” yeah… but what if those cars are without tax? For 80k mpv, then exora should be compared head-to-head with stream, wish, 5008, etc….
based on engine cubic capacity la brader..1.6L..!!
You can play with ‘What if…’ all day long in ur mind or in internet.. but when you come back to reality you will still compare 80k vehicle vs 80k vehicle (import tax or no import tax)… you cannot go to car dealer (with capabilities to do loan up to 80k only) and want to buy a stream by telling them the stream only worth 80k without tax…. duh…. wake up and stop living in the ‘WHAT IF’ world…
If Stream without tax, then Exora also without tax, must be lower priced than that.
Yeahhh…exora without tax is 3k cheaper only…
too bad, what you think is not the reality….so wake up man.
i think, what he meant is that don’t be ‘jaguh kampung’ forever. If Proton Exora is very good, it should be accepted well not just in malaysia. in indonesia perhaps.
my 2 cents
Actually the Exora is already accepted very well in Indonesia. It got the Best Small MPV 2011 award from Mobil Motor Magazine and Otomotif. I am actually the chairman for the Exora Owners Club Indonesia and we are affiliated with the Exora Owners Club Malaysia. So sometimes we come over and buy some accessories which are hard to get here in Indonesia.
Sales wise of Proton is also rising, aftersales needs to be boosted up though. However the Exora is a way much better pick than the Livina, Innova and especially the new avanza xenia (kaleng kerupuk twins). I have already tested the new Avanza Veloz and 1.3 G and it’s just the same as the old ones. Horrible plastic and very bad ride.
Well said by indonesian.. See indonesian also puji exora eventhou they have avanza, kijang innova n apv in the matket..
ariefin..nice said..i think u shut the bashers mouth that say exora is the jaguh kampung only :) thumbs upsss for u!
Thank you Mr Ariefin,
We all as PROTON workers fell very glad n touched.
We will do our level best to put the best for you all.
sounds very promising and a good bargain with this exora….will have a look at showroom later
hmm… i just hope no one is stupid enuff to drive this mpv like a turbocharged impreza… seriously, some of the comments in previous threads suggested that some ppl didn’t have any clue why P1 install the turbo into this mpv… *sigh*
p/s: all looks good so far, all the best P1!
yup, trust me..there will be someone who stupid enuff later, minor thou.
haha. my advise is, after this if we suddenly saw Exora tryin to overtake our car @ higher than 120km/h.. just let it go and let it be.. it might end up bad for both of us if any..
l will consider if proton give 5 year warranty with unlimited mileage. if not don’t even think about it.
can…. but u can only servis at PROTON servis centre… one outside repair/service warranty void… dare?
i’m fine with that condition.
even other car maker also put T&C like that for their cars coz to protect people who damage the car by sending it to ah bang’s workshop then later claim all that from authorized SC telling that the car is not good…got sound here and there, got engine prob…etc…etc…etc….
so….dont buy la….
All carmakers put mileage limits in their warranty, because those mileage limits are the estimated engine service life before a full overhaul. At that time, most critical parts e.g. bearing, piston, valves etc. have already reached their service limits due to wear and tear and must be replaced, or else the entire engine will break down. So, carmakers are not gods anyway.
Now a day, those warranty things become “hausia” already. Imaging you have to go back to the service center, pay at leasat double of the price you can get outside, you will end up still a losser.
They will just take this premium and pay with the probality, end up, those part replacement cost also from us, the consumer…
This go the same for the T & H brand….
what is “hausia”..?
nobody force anybody to buy maaa…….
hmmmm i got a strong feeling this engine might go into the new neo /facelift or something
Yeah
Put this in the NEO and hold that 205nm of torque higher in the revs and it will finally give the NEO the power it needs badly to complement the awesome handling.
I heard the engine can be tuned to 151bhp, so that will be awesome for Neo. It is understandable for a family MPV to be tuned more for torque and maybe lower hp for reliability. Just like the Touran where the 1.4TSI is tuned for “only” 140ps (same 138bhp); when the same EA111 engine is tuned for 160ps for Scirocco and 180ps for the Polo GTI. In effect, the 140ps tuned engines are better suited for RON95.
With further R&D, the possibilities are far-reaching if not limitless for turbocharging. But I hope Proton stay the course and strive for refinement, not just outright power.
where do you get this?
coz i have seen the actual target for this engine.. 150bhp and 205NM…. thats the target for this car.. once achieve the target.. it is easily controlled via ecu…
Of course you can even tune to 250HP with this non safe vehicle. You budak are good in modifying kancil to ferrari, keep it up !
CPE is strong in touq but weak in house power, it mean for MPV, not sport car.
Neo GTI with 1st stage tune , NA already 140+HP..not need the GPE lior…
torque lembik la bro… setakat 110-115lbs pulling 1.2 tonnes…tak cukup la, NEED MORE TORQUE/ DISPLACEMENT!!!… say a 2.4 L, (160 lbs/ 160 bhp) now that would be ‘par’….
The limitation is on gearbox itself. Refer to Punch website. Vt3 only rated up to 220Nm. Not engine.. If manual version come out then you will see the real power.
we need torque for real world driving..higher torque@lower rpm..
Great review as always. I was driving to Terengganu on Monday and saw the group of journos and convoy of Exoras on their way to the East Coast. However, I saw one of the Exora Bolds later breaking down on the East Coast Highway. Guess Proton may still need to iron out the wrinkles, but can’t deny the difference in power for the Bold and the vanilla Exora especially when climbing the Genting Sempah inclines.
yep. 1 exora broke down due to radiator failure
it seems like a lot of improvements from Proton.. Good Job!
so how bout the FC?..can get around 8L/100km in your driving mode?
Quite hard to measure FC in a media drive – given a short time from A to B, we normally focus solely on “performance” :) Will need an extended session in mixed conditions for that.
How does it fair going downhill? How do you get it to hold on to a lower gear for engine braking?
No “low gears” in a CVT, but higher revs and more engine braking can be had in “L” mode
CVT itself have no gear..only pulley
No shit, Sherlock. So are you saying that by using pulleys, there are no low gear ratios?
if you ever ride a scooter…it’s the same.
nice one proton, keep up the good work! proud to be Malaysian!
WA!!! more power on a bigger space MPV…
nice move from P1..better than old version..but still have to think hundred times before buying this MPV.
After test driving the Exora Bold today, i think the driving experience is much nicer than the VW cross touran tested a couple of week ago.
You can feel the power immediately. And the ride is also good.
U can feel the power immediately than cross touran? Hhhhaaa….dont bullshit la….
I think it is true statement because the higer torque in BOLD kicks off at 2k rpm while those in Touran at 4k rpm.
agreed….
with higher torque at lower rpm, we dont have to hit the pedal like crazy…..
Cross touran kick 220 Nm @1250rpm…we’re talking twincharger here…
Have you personally tried out both MPVs one after another to feel the difference? Otherwise, don’t bullshit la.
Already tested la..idaho statement still bullshit…
The young Malays says “gebang jer lebih ni”.
gebang…
are u using or trying that both vehicle?..
Betul la.. More power in Exora at lower RPM. Tu pasal la Idaho kata “You can feel the power IMMEDIATELY”
Baca betul2 chor… Idaho say “You can feel the power IMMEDATELY”. Maksudnya bila kat lower RPM laa.. Adoi..
pic no 4 (reverse cam image on centre mirror),
-‘jangan turunkan tingkap selama 2 hari’
what that’s mean/for?
Probably related to tinting.
Hi Paul, now your age are more into this segment, what would you think? will you buy it?
Tinted – some 7 days, 24 hours, 48 hours ‘pantang’ cannot winding down windows and turn on demister…..
So Bold come with factory fitted tinted, so need to add little $$$ for upgrade to safety one je la….
usually they’ll give u the crap one. trust me.
theanswer..
PROTON not cheat customer.
Do not simply give statement without proof.
Data collected from after market team shows the claims on the cheap part, unreliable part and low quality part are not original PROTON parts.
Most of PROTON parts being tested and control thru higher quality standard.
Please, do not blaming PROTON on this kind of cases.
Lagi power, lagi best P1 version.
I wish Proton could introduce a package for their non-CFE customers to change to CFE engine.. I don’t mind if they charge RM10k-15k including installation and warranty..
no they rather consumers to buy the CFE instead.
corporate greed maa..
Cannot simply put CFE because whole set of the car was different e.g…rear disc brake, different engine cooling system, different damper/ suspension due to heavier engine and so on..
Lots of effort and RM in order to change to CFE.
Aiyah just bolt in a garret turbo, strap on a cooler, tune down the turbo pressure, upgrade brakes n suspension….presto….u may have something even better than the CFE.
Not as difficult as people think.
Problem when u want to claim insurance only.
Aiyah just bolt on a garret turbo, strap on a cooler, tune down the turbo pressure, upgrade brakes n suspension….presto….u may have something even better than the CFE.
Not as difficult as people think.
Problem when u want to claim insurance only.
then means ur cr have no value la coz u use ah bang’s part in ur car…
if accident then u hv to fork own money to pay for the damages?
so better don’t or else if normal accident fine laa but if involves life, then u “mati katak” lorr……….
Can try get JPJ approval…..den insuran get pass
i agree with you, but RM10-RM15k..huuuuu a bit expensive isn’t it. i’m sure proton boss reading this, dont give em’ idea lah ish ish
let say i wanna put CFE in my Neo & persona.. RM30k already spend on it (assuming proton won’t accept trade in our older campro engine, which i hope not coz it mean even proton dont believe in themself!!)..
hmmm maybe max RM8k including installation, wiring & ECU, documentation & engine warranty 150k mileage more acceptable.
or RM8k package above + another RM2k for engine installation & refine tuning (power & handling) by R3 itself.. wowww this is such a good dream, i’ll be smiling while cashing out my account at bank. no regret at all.
No mention about still using timing belt?
Still using Timing belt more light silience…80k for servicing..cost bear to customer
mastermind,
Timing chain pun kena tukar/ service depends on condition la, my friend’s Sorento had to get all the rollers, tensioner etc changed and the bill is the same as 3 timing belt change, you just prolong the inevertable. Nothing is free. The bill is just 3K aja, am sure you can afford since you already saved up the first 200K Km :). I bet you drive till those tyres of yours become slick tyres before you change :). If you can’t afford to maintain, don’t buy a car, take a bus or the train.
And how many people use > 200K km before changing next car?
Global cars nowdays are goin back with timing chain like in the 80’s.
No mention still using 4AT into alza??? Prrrfffthhhh
guys, one question, does it have a front windscreen demister?
i cant seem to find it.
i do know that saga doesnt have this.
i think it has… by this picture…
http://paultan.org/2011/12/22/driven-proton-exora-bold-turbo-our-first-impressions/p1070427b/
and it should have
Blueekkk!!! Nak tipu org lagi ini proton.
I find it funny that u hate Proton so much but still bother reading this thread about Proton let alone post a comment it albeit giving no real insight. Do you feel insecure? Do u feel an urge automatically to read forums on anything that you hate? Do u feel compelled to give negative comments to whatever you find in disagreement? Coz I don’t see any constructive critism on your part to help better Proton. I don’t see you offer your motoring expertise to help them excel. There must be something deeply wrong in your life if you hate something yet you indulge such precious time and effort towards it.
‘Nemo vir est qui mundum non reddat meliorem’… translated says ‘What man is truly a man who does not make the world better’.
Seriously bro… u need to get some serious profesional help… and i mean like a psychiatrist.
no defog switch for the car?
same like saga?
outdated interior…..proton please improve on the design!
Danny ,
Do it have ESP ??!! I rmb a post about Proton tested this car ESP at sweden …….
No
Another Malaysian disgrace, Uprated power, no curtain airbags, no electronic stability control. At least in other Malaysian cars only 5 people die together. Now can kill 7 WOOO HOO!
another car if drive like carzy oso can die maa…
remember a really sad news about whole family died in a bmw 7 series..
perhaps u shld take into consideration late Lady Diana died in Merc S Class……
The ride was superb…
Danny,
Do it equip with ESP ???!!!! I rmb last time there is a post about Proton engineers tested their ESP system in Sweden
and no mention about rear suspension, still using torsion beam or changes to better independent/wishbone.
even toyota altis used torsion beam too with the price tag RM125k
wat u mean 125k, altis actual price usd15900(www.toyota.com) = rm49290
Some people said that the turbo whining sound is quite noticeable and annoying. Is that true?
go test drive, dont just hear hear onli ..
Will test drive. Just wanted to hear opinions from other people :)
its like music to my ear…like the sound of turbo
“Annoying” is subjective.
Test drive it yourself to find out.
Yea, it is subjective. That’s why I wanted to know what others think.
You can barely hear turbo whistle with the windows up. There’s a faint whine, yes, but it didn’t annoy me.
It is noticeable during my test drive..especially when u’re driving uphill while the speed is around 40-50km..since the engine noise and tyre noise is quite low at this speed, I can hear the turbo hissing noise..but its not annoying at all..quite nice actually..
Yes it’s quite loud. But anyone who has experience playing evo, vr4 or rex will know how those turbo sounded like. It’s will whining and quite loud. Normally people will not realise this because
a) aftermarket air filter
b) loud exhaust.
Try ride in golf or subaru( or better still go to motor image and ask for test drive) And then you can compare between them.
Good job proton..can swap wit my 1.8 livina engine?hehe.
Your 1.8 Livina only give 174NM torque at 4,800 rpm against 205Nm for Bold from only 2000 rpm.
I’ll definitely go for the Bold anytime…..
Wow, that’s quite expensive for the premium cvt spec. Considering being a national car without hefty import tax……Because Taiwanese can price their Luxgen 7 MPV starting from approx. RM85k and it’s also their national brand with more upmarket specs and designs and power. Hmmm….
& high tech too
who said proton doesn’t get taxed? at least 37.5% excise duty, plus 10% sales tax on Proton cars. that’s nearly 50% increase from original price. so if the final price is RM80k, the original factory price could be in the range of RM40-50k only.
yes i agree Luxgen 7 has better spec, nice design and more power. but RM80k is for basic spec, with 2 airbags, ABS and few other features. others are optional.
comparing prices outside have too much ambiguities. we don’t even know whether the price already include road tax, insurance or any other thing necessary there.
for example, a car could be cheap in Japan, but acquiring a car there involves many procedures and incurs lots of expenses. You have to pay an acquisition tax (5% of the car’s price), an annual automobile tax, a weight tax, mandatory insurance, processing fees, official expenses for the car’s registration and verification of a parking lot, and recycling deposit. you need to show a proof from local police that you have a parking space before you can buy a car there. if you have to, you can rent a parking space but it’s not cheap. plus you need to send the car for compulsory safety inspection every 2 years. and not to forget the price of petrol there too.
we’ll get nowhere if we talk and compare too much with the outside. too many pros and cons need to be weighted. production costs also varies from place to place. wouldn’t it be easier to just compare to whatever we have here?
I totally agree with u buddy. I know Exora is taxed but it does not have import tax. Excise Duty tax definitely is in place. The basic Luxgen 7 has 2.2T engine and comes with 2 airbags, like what u said. That’s why i am comparing the basic spec of Luxgen 7 with Exora CVT, because they both have almost identical specs in safety department. Maybe the Luxgen 7 is not taxed so much in Taiwan and hence able to maintain its lower price, i am not too sure about that though.
what is the point producing own car if G imposed import taxed, from where the car is being imported then…. since the factory is in Shah Alam.. I wonder.. only the tranny came from China… that is being taxed also
source of income for the country…..thts the best answer.
that’s why, you shouldn’t just compare the price in Taiwan. as i said before, cars could be cheap but there are many other things you need to pay. for example, for 1600cc mpv like Exora, you need to pay Annual Fuel Charge Fee of RM500 which you must pay regardless whether you buy petrol or not, plus Annual Licence Plate Tax of almost RM1,200. you pay RM1,700 annual tax for Exora in Taiwan, but here, we only pay RM90 for road tax, that’s just 7.5% of what you have to pay in Taiwan!!… price of RON95 there is around RM3 per litre.
Tax is the main income for Gov. if they lower the car import tax, they will impose other tax to generate income, just like Taiwan above.
correction:
Annual Licence Plate Tax is around RM750, so you pay RM1,200 annual tax for Exora in Taiwan, but here, we only pay RM90 for road tax, just 7.5% of what you have to pay in Taiwan…
for Exora the price inclusive excise duty at 65% and add tax 10%… other MPV add 10% import tax if CBU need to add 30%… so go figure actual price of exora without tax as well as other MPV… need to add more if more than 1799 cc..
Proton lagi…. No point la…… Get a life bros…”……..
It seems that it is u that needs to get a life. If u hate Proton so much why even bother reading this thread about Proton let alone post a comment on it. Do u feel an urge automatically to read thing that you hate? Do u feel compelled to give negative comments to whatever you find in disagreement? Coz I don’t see any constructive critism on your part to help better Proton. I don’t see you offer your motoring expertise to help them excel. There must be something deeply wrong in your life if you hate something yet you indulge such precious time and effort towards it.
‘Nemo vir est qui mundum non reddat meliorem’… translated says ‘What man is truly a man who does not make the world better’.
Seriously bro… u need to get some serious profesional help… i mean a psychiatrist.
nkao lagi…
sibuk je kat sini
tak suka bole blah…
test drive oledi.. well done p1 :)
Let’s wait and see what perodua going to do with their alza
they will jilat bontot daihatsu tu let them use daihatsu turbocharge engine and STILL USING 4AT GB…
but daihatsu said.. bye2.. we want to concentrate new comact market in Indonesia.. much bigger market compared to mesia bolehland
With comments like this I hope you are not representing Proton..
Wheeler..
He is not one of the PROTON.
Hebat!! Excellence!!
Looks nice on the outside. Most people will buy it for power, tempted to drive it over the national speed limit and maybe even attempt to over-take bigger engine cars n sports cars.
Low boost turbo so that the CVT does not die too quickly?
After 7 adults sit in, I wonder whether the shock absorbers will sink like the Saga?
Most people test drive with just the driver with minimal load.
Exora has always been a solid car, the fuel consumption, I bet nobody wants to publish anything negative…..if it is good, everyone will write about it.
Saw Livina carrying 6 big adults…..seemed ok.
Innova, not many on the road. But looks bigger.
Automatically kill the resale value of earlier exoras : (
why are u looking on negative side..look positive bro..
if u think like that, u dont have to put a comment here..wasting the database..seriously
hmm, a pot calling the kettle black. And what may I ask is your helpful comment.
obviously u do not seem to be an owner of a 1.6 exora.
well, it is great when there is only 2 adults.
Be positive lar, not all comments will be palatable to everyone, that is why it is called a blog mah.
Ha ha ha, cheers to you.
other car also sink when put full load…saw Nisan Sylphy sink also with full load.
Thats why if Exora dun sink it become special mah.
Haiya….
if u don wanna sink just change a set of adjustable suspension but the bump really hard lar..
That turbo is tuned to provide boost from lower rpm because the low-end torque is the critical factor in an MPV. Plus, most driving conditions daily only require low rpm. Thirdly, the Punch Powertrain CVT gearbox requires maximum operating engine speed to be limited to 6,000 rpm only.
hmmmm, normally turbo need some min speed before kick-in becos if it is hot all the way…the minyak also burn all the way
Of course la, because a turbocharger still got its own inertia. Therefore, the turbo only kicks in after reaching its own minimum operating speed. The turbo used in the CFE engine is relatively small, so that’s why the boost comes at low RPM and the horsepower increase is not much compared with the ah beng-made turbo Exoras.
i owned the first Gen Exora.. all i can say is Exora driving is even smoother with more people in it.. of course la the absorber will sink ..but it sink nicely.. have u seen a fully loaded Wish or stream? they pointed upward . the only down side with the first gen is the rear brake are drums..so it will take some hard pressing to stop… but this new one brakes are all disc brake..
menanti kererta sedan dengan berinjin exora ini.. pastinya superbbb!!
Looks much better than the current Exora but the steering is a big big let down ….. value for money
Danny, godd review. I tested the Exora Bold 1.6 Premium CVT with my wife twice this week. We would be booking one only mid-next year. Hopefully by then it would be a good enough time-frame to gauge the reliability of engine, gearbox and other aspects. Also, maybe can get some discounts by then, haha. Maybe by then Proton would fit a better brand of tyres.
Did you happen to ask the Proton guys any of the following?
– would a Black colour option/more colour options be available next year?
– possible for those to have the option to install the touch-screen double din unit found on the Prime variant to the Bold variants?
– Surely an SE version would be coming in future?
thanks
……good for you.
By looking at the tyres, we are already know……budget constraint?
Wondering, what else might have been similarly “affected”?
They should stick with a 5 auto speeder.
Proton mass producer….dont really have time to look into everyone’s convenience.
No, I didn’t ask any of those. This December baby can be considered a 2012 car, so the spec and colours should remain for some time, but no harm asking your dealer if it’s possible.
Perfect van for the roti man. Cap kepala kucing.
power windows. Anyone? hahaha
old man with old thinking and his old story
prrrtfhhhh
Coming from Pop Yeh Yeh area..Yes he is or maybe yes he was.
or he’s trying to be s cynical.. good one thou if u do hehehe
it should be compared against stream and wish.. those are sell 90k if without tax.. stop pretending to be as worthy as other car proton
but then exora wd be much cheaper without tax.
Dude, how can u compare it to Wish & Stream.. r u sure abt your justification? Hehheeheh……Please don’t compare Apple to Orange
if exora without tax, it could be around RM40-50k only laa.. or you go buy stream or wish in langkawi la.. you can buy innova there from RM70-80k.
innova langkawi highest spec is 78k. Exora prime 86k. you cannot buy 40-50k for exora in langkawi. If you want to compare with innova that cheaper for around 10k than you should compare with 10k higher that is stream, wish and Grandis.
is it? because according to proton.. it’s 75k at langkawi and labuan.. exora is without tax.. without import tax.. talk bout apple and orange.. throw away the box first and talk bout the thing it self..
even without tax, price in langkawi is high because dealers take higher profit margin due to small market. they can only sell few cars a month. take prius hybrid for example, it’s just RM70K in USA but almost RM140K here even without import and excise duty on hybrid cars. they need to pay RM10K for AP and 10% sales tax, how come the price jump so much??
you’re right.. it’s the market that cause a car value.. so has it got anything to do with the car being good or bad then?
and i’m just curious.. if foreign car makes are making more profit margin and paying AP and tax and whatever.. which means the original cost of the car is even lower… so why can they chunk out stuff at a lower cost and might still be better? the bigger gap between cost and sales of foreign car actually shows how much better they are..
assume both A and B is same quality
Product A
Value:100
++:10
Earn:20
Selling:130
Product B
Value:80
++:20
Earn:40
Selling:140
So B produce the same quality as A while using same value? which ones better? and did i mention? A is local and B is foreign.. cost should be cheapest..
let’s say A is local, which produce a similar quality car as B, and B is global player. look at the volume, if A only produce tens of thousands, the cost per car could be higher than B because B has better economy of scale by producing hundreds of thousands. also, B is making a car in a country where they could get cheap labours.
actually.. forget what i said.. lets just put this down in labuan, since they are all there they should be the most isolated market, it’s a fair place (i guess)
Exora:75K
Stream: 93K
Freed:80K
Avanza 1.5: 56K
Innova: 78K
Perodua: 60K
I don’t need an MPV for now but hope the P3-21A will be given similar engine and 0-100 km/h performance below 9.0 sec. With our undulating terrain and narrow country road we need car with sufficient power and pick-up to have an enjoyable ride.
Now I have the same thinking as well..looking forward for a super sedan coming in from proton. CFE concept and capabilities certainly is tempting by all means
Hmm..The meter panel looks dull and too simple.Cheap.
cuba tgk merce punya
Org Jawa memang bangang!
i am not related to any Javanese. but please don’t be an arsed. it is bad enough Java in Indonesia acting like they do to us in Malaysia, while Java in Malaysia always being nice and good, let it stay that way. that is one unnecessary slur.
jawabandar only said it look dull & cheap, well i’m a huge supporter of Proton but i don’t mask my judgement by an ignorant. it do look dull & cheap. i hopeproton can touch up on those later.
i am not related to any Javanese. but please don’t be an arsed. it is bad enough Java in Indonesia acting like they did in any related issues to us, Malaysian. while Java in Malaysia always being nice and good, let it stay that way. that is immature & one unnecessary slur. majority of us, Malaysian are better than your 3rd world antic-mind and i certainly do not agree to put myself on the same lumpenproletariat sinking ship as ur on.
Jawabandar only said the meter panel look dull & cheap, well i’m a huge supporter of Proton but i don’t mask my judgement by an ignorant. it do looks dull & cheap. i hope proton can touch up on those later.
no racicm hoi!! are you a john terry wannabe?
oit, luiz suarez la.
tony fernandes sudah bilang itu john terry is innocent until he’s proven guilty
“With the addition of a turbocharged engine and more kit, it’s easier to forget that the Exora Bold is not a rival to the Mazda 5, Honda Stream, Peugeot 5008 and gang, but an RM80k MPV that fights cars like the Toyota Avanza and Nissan Grand Livina.”
Yeah, say that to the UK counterparts. Like it or not, those cars mentioned earlier is the one which will be tested along the Exora. Already the current one, which one unit is in UK for testing purpose was given one out of five stars. Lets hope for a good news here, at least for the engine.
I wouldn’t want to give too much credit to what UK people say about a lot of things these days…. A lot of them are now a depressed & frustrated people so when you ask them about anything now, you will hear complaints complaints complaints
Please stop your obsession over the “no longer in existence” British supremacy
Are you sure its only them who are complaining? Arent we Malaysians equally the same when comes to this as well? I am not obsessing over their supremacy, I am just laying out simple facts. This car is not designed only for the local consumption and if we really want the best out of it, get it done properly at the first place. I am not saying this is a rubbish car; I am a fan of the Exora but putting the car out with the mind of it beating rivals which is not available in all the markets, is just absurd.
hmm.. althou i love UK Top Gear, but camon..really..these days British supremacy means nothing anymore, let alone their opinion which mostly bias. UK Top Gear was fun to watch not coz of their professional views but rather coz of their silly and antic manner on the show, haha a British who stood on their dignified..some of us still might cling to the old-colonial memory.
Lots of the engine has parts built for reliability, the oil cooler and forged parts,
ya ya …SE, i’m thinking that too by next year.
nice job by proton..keep it up…
go for japan technology… trust grand livina…superb engine with only 1.6 hrde engine
i believe u never drive real Japanese JDM car..then u will find ASEAN 2nd class japs car is suck ..
prrrtfhh
bRO..youre back..well done..
peYno says:
22/12/2011 at 11:44 pm
i believe u never drive real Japanese JDM car..then u will find ASEAN 2nd class japs car is suck ..
prrrtfhh
Bro, totally agreed with u……
tc salesman spotted
Grand Livina not Japan tech … but Renault tech, Nissan no more have engine … that why majority owner GL & current Nissan car is Malay … others still stick to T & H because fear resale value …
nth to do with race plz……….
bro… why lar “Malay” word comes in? What has that got to do with cars? Starting a racist or political issue here? Dun lar… we are petrolheads and automotive freaks…and we love each other for our passion in cars and Paultan. Malaysia…peace yo!
Another Suarez in the making here??
john terry dna detected
Grand Livina 1.6???? Only 150NM torque and that also at 4400 rpm????
Bold is sooooooooo much better than this.
Good job proton..cant wait for p321a..surely fitted with this engine…sure sedap driving everyday..not to mention can tapau those lancer gt too…fuyooo
No thanks. I pick Kia/Naza Rondo over Exora any day.
sapa plak suruh kao beli
up to u bro.. its ur money..its ur choice..feel free to choose..
hehehe..
choose wisely bro…
One good thing I can say is your review is getting better now Danny. It felt more honest and it covers all the angles (especially when dealing with tough crowd like us 1Malaysian). A good combination of technicals, laymans and opinions tailored to Malaysian readers. I want to see more of this in your future reviews.
ade satu info, try confirm dgn powertrain team later…
CFE ni pakai iridium spark plug, not a conventional spark plug…
tm_guy
Yes, CFE use iridium spark plug for better performance.
this car actually fits most of the ppl in early and late age.. it got serious face and power, and at same time elegance and family fit purposes.. even the young should drive it proudly
Mane intercooler?
Front LHS (RHS is you looking from the front of the engine bay)
now since when close to RM100K for a car in Malaysia sounds like so affordable to a house hold…..???
is that the reason so many bankrupts with RM30K loan default?
I mean, that’s RM100K!!!! U$30K! My last check MAZDA5 is less than U$30K in USA.
RM100K i think is at least 2-3 years salary of many people, but u$30K is probably 5 months-1 Year salary to USA people.
Are we getting numb or obsessed to pay so much for a Car? RM100K becomes reasonable now? OMG..
My answers:
1) It’s an illusion.
2) Most probably. Credit card too.
3) Definitely yes.
4) It’s an illusion.
:mrgreen:
we cannot buy a car in USA and take it back to Malaysia without paying any tax, can I?
I don’t think he’s trying to compare our car prices with the states …. that one…. we win hands down….. we are more expensive…. don’t need to compare anymore. It baffles everyone…
More importantly… he’s pointing out that compared to how much (or little) we are earning, a so-called “affordable” car is actually not that affordable. Yet we don’t care…. RM100k is like peanuts… as if everybody’s earning… I don’t know…. 20k per month?
That’s double whammy…. we are paying more…. yet earning less. Of course, then somebody will point out that our income tax is lower…. our petrol is cheaper…. we get free pocket money …. it’s endless…. our public transport is world class… our airport is world class… we have best budget airline…. we have two F1 teams…. our football team is world champion…. we have the best teh tarik in the world…. nothing beats our nasi lemak ….. business as usual….
:mrgreen:
the tax is not low at all if you compare the value of the Ringgit world wide.
RM150K will be tax max at 23%. That value is $50K, and S$60K.
Now check out that is the range of the tax range for those number.
If there is no PKFZ, NFC, Toyo, White-Hair-Sarawakian, we can survive without even taxing import car as a source of income, and can build 1st class local public transport, and 1st class train from Thailand-Malaysia-Singapore.
I have not even include the sub, handbags, another round of fighting ships, falling stadium, always leaking Parliament….
The country is rich..oh wait…what is our National Debt again? anyone aware that will be a problem? DO everyone really think free money given to all house hold and student is a good idea? its similar to credit card scheme, where it needs to be paid back down the road..that is why our education systems remain, so generations of people do not know how the G works, and think money can be printed without effect to the whole nation.
Merry Xmas while we are can still enjoy, USA, Europe, even AU economic started to erode, but we think MY wont get effected.
In M’sia a lot of car dealers sneak in the cost of spares and servicing in the purchase price of the cars, so that’s how you can buy a car for RM80k and spend RM400 for a regular service, or RM2k for a major service.
In comparison, a car might cost US$20k in the United States, but the cost of a regular service could be US$200. The cost of a major service can easily hit US$4k-5k. That’s why most guys in the US learn how to do minor service in their own garage.
But us being typical Malaysian consumers with short-term vision, we only look at the purchase price and not the TCO.
in UK the cost for wheel alignment and 4 wheel balancing is like 100 sterling pounds, or like RM700 to us.
so how much the price that u think would be reasonable?? 40k?? myvi lagi 1.5 lagi bulat lagi best also 60k already..
im i the only one who finds the number plater funny?? 458 as in 458 italia ?!!
nice review…..the cvt makes the drive effortless thus not requring to rev the nuts out of it….
wonder if it willl be offered in a manual spec??
i would love to see a comparison between the kia rondo and the proton exora bold. I personally would go for the Kia Rondo (with bodykit). But if between Exora Bold,Livina, Avanza & Alza then the Exora would be my choice.
Which colour look nice Elegant brown or genetic silver…cant find another colour other than elegant brown at show room…
Would like to know the service interval as well as estimated cost per service for this car. Many turbocharged contis have longer service interval ie 10k and so on.
Had a peek at the service book. It’s every 10K
Wow, another plus point, cost saving and less frequency going for servicing. Thanks.
hi danny, somebody point out one of exora bold break down on east coast highway, didnt catch up the news coz when ur team arrived at hyatt, i saw all 10 cars (5 bold cfe, 5 flx se) arrived at the same time. Only managed to talk with few of media delegation, but none of them mentioning about the break down. Maybe some input from u.
I know that u guys really try out the cars performance since few of you guys did test it to the max, some of driving flx se drive it at 180-190kmh n at high speed all the way ec highway, dunno how fast u guys drive bold cfe coz didnt catch up with those who r driving bold, n u already swapping cars from hyatt to tanjung jara.
If i not mistaken all of delegation start off around 10 am from coe n arrived at hyatt around 1.15 pm, which for me, quite fast coz i heard u guys already had another stop before arrived there.
Didnt catch u up over there since u guys only stop there temporarily for lunch there n quit bz chatting with the pwrtrain guys. Hope to meet u in person in the future. Since u already driven bold on the highway, how high u managed to top with cfe bold? Since one mentioning during speeding flx se @ 190kmh, bold cfe still infront of them. Just curiousity :-)
Tq.
Doing illegal speeds cannot publish for the world to know. Let’s just say that the car is capable of reaching its claimed top speed, and perhaps some more :)
most people can’t apprehend…
always complain this one underpower, that one take forever for century sprint…
later say driving 120km/h is illegal…
sometimes people just simply “mengada-ngada”…
faham-faham sudah la… why so skema..?
wah danny, is that the perk for being a journalist? ;-) maybe you can twist the sentences a bit so we know what it feels at high speed with exora and flx without you saying it was you behind the steering? ;-)
still people talking about 300% tax. Gov already revise the tax structure in 2005 n implemented it 2006 onwards. Refer to www.maa.org.my for the tax structure table, n www.customs.org.my for the computation of excise duty.
All local cars need to pay local taxes@excise duty. There is no more rebate from 2006 onwards. U can see the diff is only 10% for ckd, n 30% for cbu. Remember,its not direct calculation, refer to customs website on computation.
Its hard to find the data omv(open market value) of cars or also known as base price of cars (excluding all taxes n dealer profit)in malaysia, the easiest way is to look at our neighbour, singapore. U can go to www.onemotoring.com.sg to look at omv of cars.
I just select only few, u can refer to onemotoring for full list. If u look at the price, u do your own computation by refer to customs website n maa, then u will know how much is the estimation of dealer profit of car ,manufacturers in malaysia. Still smiling when somebody said u can get jetta with the same price of saga in free tax in malaysia. All the prices are in singapore dollar n exchange rate is about 1 sgd= rm 2.43, for more accurate, just google for currency exchange. All the data is omv dated november 2011.
Exora m-line auto 1.6 cps = 13390 sgd
wish 1.8 cvt = 21503 sgd
vw touran tsi 1.4 at it32b4 fl = 21970 sgd
pug 3008 1.6 auto std(non turbo) = 23801 sgd
pug 3008 turbo 1.6 adventure = 24382 sgd
honda jazz 1.3L at = 19842 sgd
honda civic 1.8L 5at = 26118
corolla altis 1.6 at = 14738 sgd
jetta 1.4 tsi at 1622gs = 18538 sgd
so, if bold cfe sold in singapore, the omv@base price can be estimated around 14500 sgd +-
yup,the tax are high in malaysia (cant blame them 100% coz it is one of country’s source of income), but the truth is our local also pay tax, the protection is already really less compare to previous structure.
If u look at the omv figure, even corolla altis 1.6 at(sedan) is expensive than exora m-line 1.6 at (mpv), n u cannot buy jetta at saga price in tax free world. So, open ur eyes, learn the truth, even it hurts.
And afta is only about free import tax,not the whole tax, n only product made in or manufactured in asean countries (excluding japan, korea, europe n etc) that entitle to get free import duty from any asean country.
So,there is no tax free world in the world my friend, but if u look at singapore tax structure, i believe we are paying less than them.
The tax structure in Singapore is in different league, where the land is limited, the parking space is limited, thus to discourage people buying excessive cars they impose high tax.. Look at Thailand as comparison, and they sell Honda City at merely RM 50k+ if convert the baht to RInggit… And we are selling Honda City @ rm 85k here, where do the 30k went to?
Sir, Honda Cicty i believed assembled in Thailand, of the Japanese biggest assembly hub in South East Asia. There goes your Rm30k. Transportation? Tax? and stuffs.
well..like u said, we and Thailand also same, “where the land is limited…..”..=P
so base on your logic, ours should be higher than Thailand..
Went to the dealer lah, power of branding can up the car price.
Exora also have been tax. In fact all proton have been tax also. How many per sent? When i checked with EON Langkawi, price different only RM3k for exora bold premium. So exora only been tax for 3.75%. What i understand is sales tax already 10%(Exsais duty?). So Exora not only been tax for less but also receive government subsidy. Just my 2 sen. TQ
still people talking about 300% tax. Gov already revise the tax structure in 2005 n implemented it 2006 onwards. Refer to www.maa.org.my for the tax structure table, n www.customs.org.my for the computation of excise duty.
All local cars need to pay local taxes@excise duty. There is no more rebate from 2006 onwards. U can see the diff is only 10% for ckd, n 30% for cbu. Remember,its not direct calculation, refer to customs website on computation.
Its hard to find the data omv(open market value) of cars or also known as base price of cars (excluding all taxes n dealer profit)in malaysia, the easiest way is to look at our neighbour, singapore. U can go to www.onemotoring.com.sg to look at omv of cars.
I just select only few, u can refer to onemotoring for full list. If u look at the price, u do your own computation by refer to customs website n maa, then u will know how much is the estimation of dealer profit of car ,manufacturers in malaysia. Still smiling when somebody said u can get jetta with the same price of saga in free tax in malaysia. All the prices are in singapore dollar n exchange rate is about 1 sgd= rm 2.43, for more accurate, just google for currency exchange. All the data is omv dated november 2011.
Exora m-line auto 1.6 cps = 13390 sgd
wish 1.8 cvt = 21503 sgd
vw touran tsi 1.4 at it32b4 fl = 21970 sgd
pug 3008 1.6 auto std(non turbo) = 23801 sgd
pug 3008 turbo 1.6 adventure = 24382 sgd
honda jazz 1.3L at = 19842 sgd
honda civic 1.8L 5at = 26118
corolla altis 1.6 at = 14738 sgd
jetta 1.4 tsi at 1622gs = 18538 sgd
so, if bold cfe sold in singapore, the omv@base price can be estimated around 14500 sgd +-
yup,the tax are high in malaysia (cant blame them 100% coz it is one of country’s source of income), but the truth is our local also pay tax, the protection is already really less compare to previous structure.
If u look at the omv figure, even corolla altis 1.6 at(sedan) is expensive than exora m-line 1.6 at (mpv), n u cannot buy jetta at saga price in tax free world. So, open ur eyes, learn the truth, even it hurts.
And afta is only about free import tax,not the whole tax, n only product made in or manufactured in asean countries (excluding japan, korea, europe n etc) that entitle to get free import duty from any asean country.
So,there is no tax free world in the world my friend, but if u look at singapore tax structure, i believe we are paying less than them…
oNE more be ready scrap ur car for 5 years shelf life….if gov reducing the car tax structure…
n dont forget car tax structure down..other tax will cover the gomen lost…
like personal tax increase to 30%-40% GST tax ..bla bla,, bla…
road tax increase …petrol subsidised cut off…toll increase..
parking rate increase…n dont forget high road crashes rate also increase….
no more car hire purchase buy by cash term only…
Blame our government for the middle-income trap and corruption, not for the car price.
Idont think we blame government is the best answer…
but what should we do is passing our ideas to government consider new policies…
n try implement its…
Blame means suspicious is’t????No point and not solving the problems..but for the time better policies focus on food,housing.public transports…than focus on reducing tax on vehicle …we need food more than car…
Yes i agree on reducing tax on car but the implementation must rational…see the priority first…like economic principle “opportunity cost” we do this we left other….be
rational when made comparison….
Singapore=Autoritarian
Malaysia=half democracy..
Saudi Arabia=monarchy
so,Malaysia difficult to change the policy than Sing. and Saudi Arabia…that why better change political system to monarchy….
Mat,
u gave a good explanation to them bout tax structure and car prices outside Msia. really appreciate it but do u think they care coz for they dun even care to calculate all that…..
Mastermind,
did post almost the same answer like u gave but end up these bashers said that am strong BN supporter…..bashers will never see it at the economy point of view….less tax here, higher tax for the other part…
Well explained…nothing to add on the tax structure comparison between M’sia and Singapore…sometimes, we are blinded by the old facts that our imported cars are taxed at 300% (which is like many-many years ago). Currently our tax structure is much much better (30% import, 90% excise, 10% sales). I think government is also being fair to everybody (whilst protecting local brand) by encouraging CKD. Naza is taking this opportunity by making Peugeot more affordable. Even luxury brand like Merc and BMW have lower price point compared to years ago. Yes, our car related taxes is still among the highest (made even worse with our currency value) but at least we dont pay a very high income tax.
Berbaloi tunggu 3 tahun…model cps minyak kuat macam innova…guna innova 2 thun shj dan sdah jual,akan book exora prime sbb ikut spec minyak jimat dan pick up bagus.
Danny,
Will you be posting any test drive review of the Saga FLX SE? I would like to know what you have to say about it.
It does look good for a MPV. Proton has come a long way since its first MPV, the boxy Juara. One can’t hardly fault the overall package but the pricing of RM80k is just way too much but of course this has to be seen in the context of the Malaysian car market. Unfortunately it is not a value for money for all local car owners. A similar $80k over here can buy a brand new 7 seater Volvo XC90 D5 R-Design with almost all the tasty options such as electric sunroof, towing kit, BLIS, rear air-con, laminated security screens & heated seats. Standard stuff included active bi-xenon cornering lights with washer jets, R-Design 19″ alloys and bodykits, 12 speakers Premium sound and leathers. This is just to show the purchasing power and the disparity of car costs.
The Exora is expected to be shipped here according to my conversation with the local Proton MD. But there is a snag for the Exora Bold. There is a mandate for all new cars registered in 2012 to have electronic stability control (ESC) as standard. One state has even mandated it in 2011 but exempted cars introduced before 2011. Even that is only a one year reprieve as all new cars registered in 2012 must have ESC. Proton cars will not be eligible to be registered in 2012 due to this. No ESC, no registration. That is why you noticed that Honda Jazz has the ESC as standard even in Malaysia for model year 2011. This is the reason. Now the safety authorities are promoting to the public to demand curtain airbags for their new cars. So wouldn’t be surprised to see curtain airbags installed as standard in all cars. Two airbags are so last century. My relative’s MY2011 Nissan Micra ST has 6 airbags and ESC even on the base model. The safety standard has move on and Proton should invest more in it. Please make it a compulsory and don’t just use cost as an excuse. Even you can’t get it in a Highline model. Remember that the Waja has 4 airbags as standard on the export model which we get it here. Looks like life is cheap in Malaysia. Proton can hastily add ESC on the models for 2012 since it is just merely an electronic module and works in tandem with ABS. But why do I have the feeling that such item will not see the light of day in Malaysia, its home country. Seeing a Proton here makes me think of Malaysia but I wouldn’t buy one. Not when compared to my current car which has 6 airbags, ABS and STC. Still very much in touch with the safety aspect for a car close to 10 years old.
You know how flip-flop the government is – talking shit about making laws requiring ESP in 2012 but then no action being done. In the end, they’ll delay the enforcement again and again. That’s why many new cars here still don’t have ESP yet, including Honda City, Toyota Vios, Nissan Grand Livina, etc. If you talk about Honda Jazz having ESP, it is already there because the Honda Jazz being sold here is a CBU unit from Thailand. In the end, it is all the government’s fault for not being serious when enforcing laws regarding automotive industry including automotive safety. But when it comes to laws to arrest crowds of people in so-called “illegal rallies”, they enforce them so damn fast.
still, you are not comparing the car price in Malaysia context. Don’t know what exora price at your place, but comparing Exora with the $80k Volvo XC90. Yeah, if only that volvo price RM80k here in Malaysia, people won’t even talk about exora.
Somehow, i get tired of people still comparing car price in malaysia and elsewhere. That is the policy that we cannot do anything about la friend (apart from vote in PRU) – generally speaking.
It is relevant comparison as it is done at one dollar to one ringgit level. Dismiss all the forex stuff. You earn dollars, you spend dollars just as you earn ringgit and you spend ringgit. So you spend RM80k+ for Exora Bold, I take the $80k+ here. The cheapest 7 seater you can get here is the Kia Rondo which you known as Naza Citra but the Citra is based on the Kia’s 1st gen. It costs $26k here. Even if you take the forex, it is still cheaper than Exora Bold.
A family member works in a bank as an officer. So say salary of $3k a month and let you take a bank manager in Malaysia taking in at least RM6k a month. This family member drives a Mini Cooper based on the salary and I doubt a bank manager can afford that. So even doubling the salary comparison can’t bring parity. Remember we pay more income tax here and lesser in Malaysia as many would attest.
The regular petrol here is about $1.35/L on average as the prices goes up and down everyday. Still cheaper than the subsidised RM1.90/L if apply the one dollar to one ringgit rule. Road tax is about $500/year but it applies to all types of engine displacement. So you pay the same if you drive a 1.8L Toyota Corolla or a 6.0L V8 Holden Commodore SS. Cars 25 years or older can be registered under club plates for $120/year.
I think what you meant is a dollar or RM3.00 ($1 = RM3.00) can buy you more stuff in America compared with what RM3.00 can buy in Malaysia?
I guess you have not taken into account the hidden costs of selling an XC90 at the current price at your place. Either your country has lots of minerals (gift from god?), has a very good geographical location (also a gift from god), or has developed much earlier than Malaysia. Many countries in the third category are promoting trade practices that are deemed fair to themselves, but which are hardly so for many developing nations. If they have been really fair, we will probably have seen most of their financial organizations, good employees, production facilities shifting elsewhere. Many of them are also advocating wars to protect the supply of resources that they need. You can see how many thousand of people have died because of their support (some of them might not have participated directly in the wars themselves). Basically, what is being enjoyed is built upon the lack of fairness to and the flow of blood of many people outside the country you are residing in. If you take these hidden costs into account, you will probably not be so proud. Just my humble opinion.
in reality we cannot just forget about tax, currency, lifestyle etc. it does matter. any comparisons without those things are either invalid or daylight dreaming
i believe you’re in Australia, right?
so, u think Exora will be $80k there? are you that crazy?.. Saga is around RM38-50k here but only $12-16k there! if you convert RM-Aus$.. the price is about the same. i think Exora will be between $25-30k only. and you’re comparing that to a $80k or RM240k car????
You in oz indeed. With all those points about tax, fluctuating price of fuel, the whole idea is to reduce the car on the road and make the city not congested. The idea is to improve public transportation and to utilize it. Remember driving in Perth sighing all the way due to lack of parking space. You always have this alternative whether to buy a car or not. With that kind of advance infrastructure, who need such an expensive car? Consumer there considered smart. That’s why all perks given to lure them to buy. Augmented benefits.
Here in msia gov want to reduce the number of the car on the road, yet try to sell the car to the consumer at the same time. Paradox. We need to, because we’re a developing country. We have all sorts of people with different opinions about everything. Can’t satisfy everyone.
Comparing the income regardless the forex. But the whole picture then not sync in tandem. The cause that’s lead to the high or low in price of vehicle here can’t be justified by that. The taxes are to discourage people from buying foreign car. Along come P1 and P2 to fill the gap. P1 vs P2 create innovation, better product, efficiency, and even high Paultan rating hehe.
Think of job opportunity created, even they are improving. That’s why we have alza and exora. Is it wrong for Malaysia being blatant about saving our own automaker? We don’t want to be SAAB.
Harlo my 1.3 non turbo FL also has 2 airbags…..this speeding turbo exora……should be a little bit better rite?
Earlier, it puzzles me why the Premium CVT uses more fuel per 100 km than the Evecutive AT. But then again, that the price to pay using bigger rim/wheels combo and higher kerb weight. BTW, Danny, does all auto Exora comes with CVT or they came out with 2 version; no CFE normal AT, CFE with CVT?
You missed out the most vital one in your “price to pay” list: Much better performance! The CPS engine in the Executive AT continues to use the torque converter auto ‘box
Alhamdulillah,
Gaji dah naik tahun depan..ambil Exora Bold sebijik.. memang memenuhi citarasa..
gaji naik, invest lebih. duit hasil dr investment br beli exora bold. br betul
Danny, you mention that a tire swap would be a good investment. Any suggestions as to what tires would be a good choice for this car?
Perhaps a decent touring tyre like the Michelin Primacy LC or Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max…
I dont think GT radial tyre is a big issue here and use our typical user thinking to replace the oe tyre with well known after market brand.I did some search about this tyre and surprisingly it’s not a poor and cheap tyre as you guys might think.its assymmetric & full silica compound tyre which should give both high grip even in wet and also comfort.I think it’s hard to find silica tyre in Malaysia with affordable price range.Test drive this Bold already and all i can say it is proven.
is this the real lim tyre shop??
Gt Champiro BAX2 tyre is quite good actually. I have driven my Exora bold CFE via Tapah-Cameron Highland road up and down a few time.The grip is good even in wet condition. Quite quiet.(which tyre takde bunyi?)
VW, Merz n any other car manufacturer in this world introduce a turbo on their engine and produce a more power but give a good FC.
BUT this Proton still using a MACAMPRO engine (which is not efficient in design) and put turbo, said 70% parts are new, but nevertheless it had a poor FC.
Put in mind reader, Proton only release the FC of at 90km/h.
So if we use in daily life, this car will consume a lot more fuel due to a stop-go drive.
to have good fc then u should go for hybrid cars……
Dear ayamxxx
The EXORA BOLD was passed thru all environment testing. Including Malaysian driving technique, including start-stop and high speed. As i said, the car was retuning for malaysian driver and malaysian enviroment.
please look again at the brochure and the torque graph , its torque is higher than n/a 2.0 engine , climbing high from 0 and get max at 2,000 to 4,000 rpm
not a surprise fc would be better than cps
I used to be a Proton basher. I hate T&H too for the lousy products sold here.
For the first time, I think Proton has already outdonw the T&H. Congratulations!
A fantastic product and I hope will be the first in line of many.
how many people were in the car during the test drive?
and i noticed in one of the pictures car No 01 (B2603A), you guys had the back window winded down. any reason for that?
Three in the car including me. Window down to take moving shots.
would you feel that the ride(suspension) and engine responsiveness be any different if the car was carrying more ppl (maybe 5-6 ppl)?
NIce Carf! But happy with my Chery Eastar. U guys know about it?
Chinax product Chery Easter?!just horrible ! bad cars like Avanza and Innova are far better than the Easter…
Ok la for the price… Hv you test it? Ppl said “To Love is to know”
interior-out
exterior-ok
what la, all the key features of CFE engine is like BS. a 1.6 engine putting out this amount of torque? Basically its just a change in piston heads and maybe conrods to reduce compression and bolt a turbo. Afraid of the engine’s reliability as it is not designed and built for turbo in mind, the engines output is just not up to par with industrial standard. A proper new engine design should have began after they completed campro. Not sit around patting themselves on the back and suddenly waking up to find that they need to do something as the whole industry is moving towards small cc turbo engines. Proton doesnt seem to have the neck to see into the future like other car manufacturers. Always following from behind and falling behind by at least 10 years.
Dear Ichan.
You were wrong. Making a turbo car is not like what are u saying.
We have world standard in mind. EURO3 and EURO4 is our target.
Making a CFE for world market and for variant driving environment is not an easy task.
But we did it for the best of rakyat Malaysia.
Be proud to drive EXORA BOLT. Because world standard is in the car.
the price i given is omv, that is open market value @base car price without adding any taxes@tax free at all in singapore, u cannot buy the car at the price mentioned.
Just want to point out, even in tax free environment, corolla altis 1.6 auto still expensive than exora m-line 1.6 auto, n vw jetta is still far expensive than exora m-line, not to mention with saga, but people in this blog still saying that, if in tax free environment, vw jetta will be the same price as saga. Hopefully everybody get the point.
Hmmm, tax issue govt structure….i think better dont over emphasize.
Here need to help people get a better feel for the car before putting down 9 years of sacrifice.
If you have the extra money to pay for petrol, cvt parts replacement, its ok.
Yes, turbo sure shiok one……definitely go for high speed, zig zag, at the end of the day, we still need to pay our bills.
For small family, Tuah better choice…coming soon.
Forget about resale value for Exora when petrol prices up again
Turbo known to boost oil consumption too.
Merry Christmas.
i wonder what spark plugs are used and what type of engine oil used, whats the service interval of the engine ( after the initial 10k)
anyone knows?
Exora BOLD – Tested. I enjoyed driving this MPV.. and Wow..power than previous Exora CPS. Proton should consider CFE engine to the new persona too… Well done, proton.
i think some people didnt understand omv@base price for cars. Haishhh. It is free tax price, and it is in singapore and wont be much higher in cost of insurance n freight in malaysia.
In langkawi, free import duty n free sales tax. Import duty including import duty+ import excise duty(it is the same % as local excise duty which is only diff term used, but big impact on implementation coz the word ‘import’)
while being locals as prtn or even perodua, there is no import duty n they have LOCAL excise duty. Only exempted from paying sales tax that is 10% from omv@base car price, not 10% from on the road price.
So, see the term IMPORT n LOCAL, even only the term, application is different. If u r learning law, n u shud know how interesting fact that even the same thing, but diff term used, it has diff implication
praying to god, next sedan model equipped with this OSEM enjin. pleaaaaaaaaaaseeee GOD.. want it badly.. together we eliminate the bashers main point of argument for good..peace, ONE MALAYSIA y’all
i think some people didnt understand omv@base price for cars. Haishhh. It is free tax price, and it is in singapore and wont be much higher in cost of insurance n freight in malaysia.
In langkawi, free import duty n free sales tax. Import duty including import duty+ import excise duty(it is the same % as local excise duty which is only diff term used, but big impact on implementation coz the word ‘import’)
while being locals as prtn or even perodua, there is no import duty n they have LOCAL excise duty. Only exempted from paying sales tax that is 10% from omv@base car price, not 10% from on the road price.
So, see the term IMPORT n LOCAL, even only the term, application is different. If u r learning law, n u shud know how interesting fact that even the same thing, but diff term used, it has diff implication..
can their put coloured badge on the steering wheel? it would be perfect
Tested the car yesterday, this new Exora is quite a decent performer both in terms of power and handling and it feels even safer than the Avanza. However, the quality of its interior fitting is always a major let down for Proton, this car deserves better.
I must say that Proton has come a long way from those Saga and Wira in the 90’s and if you have not driven a new Proton lately, I think you should. Proton is really not that inferior to some of those cheap Japanese and Korean models they sell in our market. Perhaps then, the Government should consider scrapping those prohibitive taxes on foreign cars and let Proton compete fairly with them.
Y U NO CHANGE THE STEERING WHEEL?!
kenapa aku tiba2 terbayang Phua Chu Kang sedang marah ni..dgn kasut kuning sebelah pijk tar sebelah lagi pijak seat exora. satu tgn tunjuk kt stering satu lagi pegang pecungkil gigi. haha.. funny guy he is..
Review mentioned Exora can only match Avanza and Livina.
What a let down and its engine is still lame !!!
Very true indeed.
mr x70, i dunno where how much rondo in singapore,but exora m-line 1.6 at is at 86720 sgd with coe, but kia cerato forte 1.6 fx is at 96999 sgd with coe, so, sedan versus mpv,n still sedan price is higher than the mpv.dunno still can get rondo over there, maybe old version,not 2nd hand, at given price. Just lazy to google right now is there any new mk for rondo?
I think u r the one who need to know abt omv. Then u understand what he mean. U should realise that in term of ratio, car price for jap car n continental car in my and sg shows that jap dealer in my have quite a hefty margine
Agree on this part. And have mentioned it previously, before being flamed by ppl who disagreed when I said the Japs (or some GLCs) actually greedy enough to put high margin even after tax were lowered in 2006.
And they conveniently let the gomen take the blame by saying it’s them who set the price everytime…… sish!!!! Don’t wanna wake up just keep yourselves in slumber la ppl……
mr x70, i dunno where how much rondo in singapore,but exora m-line 1.6 at is at 86720 sgd with coe, but kia cerato forte 1.6 fx is at 96999 sgd with coe, so, sedan versus mpv,n still sedan price is higher than the mpv.dunno still can get rondo over there, maybe old version,not 2nd hand, at given price. Just lazy to google right now is there any new mk for rondo?..
Wish everybody n Proton a happy new year.
i like to buy neo with twin turbo , possible or not ? ;)
Want twin turbo? Go ah beng shop pls.
One word..Well done Proton, Excellence, great work, superb, awesome..
Ohh..cannot describe in one word..
and one more thing mr x70, since when kia rondo in singapore known as naza citra in malaysia??? I thought in malaysia we already have naza citra, n we also have kia rondo which already totally different in size n diff price but with same engine if not mistaken.
Is it true one bank officer in singapore salary 3k sgd can afford buying mini cooper (the cheapest one)in singapore that cost at 110138sgd+55k sgd coe = nearly 170k sgd??? What do he eat everyday?
Yup,maybe a bank manager in masia salary only 6k cant buy mini cooper, but they can afford buying semi detach house in malaysia, but can 3ksgd salary officer can buy semi detach house in singapore???
Please do read my post properly. I did mentioned that The Citra was based on the 1st gen from Kia. The Rondo is the 2nd gen. Btw, I ain’t in Singapore and I live in a house or should I say bungalow as most free standing house is known back in Malaysia with a big yard that costs about what we would pay for a double storey terrace house in Malaysia.
I am just remark the disparity in purchasing power that exists and no where is more in car prices and now the house prices too to think of it. RM350k may just get you a double storey terrace house somewhere out skirt of Klang Valley. The same $350k will get you a brand new house and yard here. Please may I emphasise on not using foreign exchange as you earn here you spend here. Same goes to Malaysia, you earn there you spend there. A head of brocolli is just 99cents while the same one goes for RM5 in Malaysia. Prices of grocery disparity is even wider than prices of cars. A kg of chicken wings is just $1.99 here while I have purchased one in the wet market back in Malaysia for RM7/kg.
just tell where u live already.. comparison is useless unless we take account everything.. how about healthcare n education? can u get treatment by paying $1?
Medical treatment thru the public system is free of charge. Even a family member’s surgery is covered totally under the system. So in that sense the RM1 which we Malaysians have to pay is technically more expensive. Besides we get specialist care here free of charge too under the public system. Medicine also free when you reach a certain threshold of cost per year. Even if you pay for medicine before you reach the threshold, part of that are subsidized too.
A baby born here get a one time payout of $5k plus weekly baby subsidy of about $150 per week. The government will pay out children allowance till the child reaches 18 years old. So despite the higher income tax we pay, we get it back most of it. We can claim computer cost for a child at secondary school up to $750 back yearly. Even internet cost is considered part of computer rebate.
University education is not free but it is covered under a scheme where you will pay back once you work which is fair as all will get it if you can’t get scholarship. The government will subsidy two – thirds of the cost under the education scheme.
The library system here is great. Latest magazines, DVDs and CDs are available. Free wifi too in the library. So where does the massive public money gone to in Malaysia? The national library in KL cannot even compared to the one we have here locally. Sad to say but the misuse of public funds are so prevalent that basic and public needs are neglected. Library are not up to date with periodicals and books. I take the bus and train to work. One card does it all.
“The library system here is great. Latest magazines, DVDs and CDs are available. Free wifi too in the library. So where does the massive public money gone to in Malaysia? The national library in KL cannot even compared to the one we have here locally. Sad to say but the misuse of public funds are so prevalent that basic and public needs are neglected. Library are not up to date with periodicals and books. I take the bus and train to work. One card does it all.”
this guy is really proud of his country. he is really naive about what we have in malaysia. fyi, we have got all you said above in malaysia, no need to look down on us.
I dont look down on you all but only at the darn greedy politicians, their henchmen and the business people. You have all that in Malaysia but you have to pay for it though. The library in Malaysia does not stock the latest hardcover nor the blockbuster DVDs or Blu-Rays. Definitely no Lee Kuan Yew’s memoir. Haram! I don’t mind paying my taxes and to EPF to see all those money well spent but unfortunately it doesn’t. To criticize it to show love but unfortunately some will defend it to death despite the shortcomings. We are supposed to be a developed county in less than 8 years. Wawasan 2020 anyone? But the way I see it, more like bankrupt 2020. Idris Jala’s caution remember?
KLIA2 ballooned in costs. New MRT line also ballooning in cost but then again nothing new is there. I cried or sniggered when I see such news. Proton has more than 20 years. Hyundai has similar childbirth with help from Mitsubishi too. But look at Hyundai now. The latest Lancer has engine developed with Hyundai whilst Proton still CKD the Lancer into Inspira. Says a lot doesn’t it. Both have government support and yet Hyundai surges ahead. Why? We all know the answer or I think we do but yet such it the lacksaidal attitude that we will just take it and roll with it.
mr xc70xc, sorry to interupt, since when proton and hyundai established at the same time, n they are at the same age???hyundai n proton is like father n son relationship, they are started business long time ago n assembled n manufacturing cars long time ago before prtn was founded. Now prton is at 27 years old, n if u want to compare, just check hyundai history when they are at the same age, where are they during that time???
“Hyundai has similar childbirth with help from Mitsubishi too”
wrong. hyundai started longer ago than proton.
who is lee kuan yew?
better put real national heros memoir
i live in saudi arabia , much luxurious and richer than you
I remember live in Australia but I dont remember healthcare are free.. Thats total bullshit. Free school, Malaysia also have.. Why don’t you tell us how much u spend for maintenance over there. How much u spend on daily food.. I don’t remember any restaurant so crowded in australia except fast food..
Oh yeah the pilot there works for food allowance only, not paid properly. We in malaysia can import Australian and pay them like Bangla cos they’re desperate..
And yeah Don’t bullshit. If the car so cheap why lot of car on Australian road were Lousy Holden and ford and even recond from jap?
chicken wing here RM 10.5 ~ 12 here!!!
economy and finance doesn’t work that way, unless we all use the same currency all over the world. right now, we stick to the system that RM300 is not equal to Aus$300 dollar. I’ll take your word, A$350k could buy a bungalow in Australia, but can SG$350k buy a bungalow in Singapore?? no, you can only buy apartment with that, but RM350k could buy double storey terrace house in Bangi or Rawang, or bungalow in Pahang or Perak.
if you insist that it should be RM = A$, why don’t you come back and pay $1.90 for petrol, $7 for 1kg of chicken wing, or $350k for a terrace house?
Your way of comparing prices based only on the local currency makes no sense. A head of broccoli costs 100 Yen in Japan. Does that mean that it is 100 times more expensive for a Japanese person to buy compared to an Australian? 350k Yen would barely get you 1 month’s rental of a flat in Tokyo, let alone buy you a house. This is why exchange rates must always be taken into account when comparing prices of goods in different markets. Anyone with even an inkling of understanding in economics would know this.
So for you to say that a Volvo XC90 costs the same in Australia as an Exora in Malaysia or petrol is cheaper there, well that’s just plain silly. These statements are factually incorrect. The main reason it is easier for you to buy cars, houses or whatever over there is simply that Autralia being a developed country, people there earn more. But that’s not news, is it? Everybody knows that.
Why compare with oversea again. Aiyahhh they use diff currencies and diff petrol and everything diff. Better compare price at langkawi since they use same currencies, same petrol and same language also.
Exterior nice and contemporary. Interior …. hmm….boleh la…. But if it comes with Ford S Max interior, then very nice. Somehow I feel Saga FLX 1.6 interior more premium than exora. Hope the new Persona R comes with an interior it deserves.
interested to own one..but wonder FC in town driving ..how it will be ..Inspira 1.8 can easily get 380km for RM50 in town driving..The CFE takes 11.3s with turbo whilst Inspira 1.8 takes 11.5s without turbo…the car weigh differ abt 100kg only…hope to see new CFE owner update their FC in town driving soon….
does it have intecooler???
YUP
true..i just ‘usha’ it..it’s in one of the ‘fang’…nice
and one more thing mr x70, since when kia rondo in singapore known as naza citra in malaysia??? I thought in malaysia we already have naza citra, n we also have kia rondo which already totally different in size n diff price but with same engine if not mistaken.
Is it true one bank officer in singapore salary 3k sgd can afford buying mini cooper (the cheapest one)in singapore that cost at 110138sgd+55k sgd coe = nearly 170k sgd??? What do he eat everyday?
Yup,maybe a bank manager in masia salary only 6k cant buy mini cooper, but they can afford buying semi detach house in malaysia, but can 3ksgd salary officer can buy semi detach house in singapore???
By the way, r u singaporean coz seems u r really well verse on how they lived there :-)…he…he…coz 2 of my cousins working over there n my colleague always travel over there due to work there, it is not really what we heard n seen in the tv, it is really pain live over there, thats why now my cousins bought house in johor, willing to wake up at 4 am everyday n only arrive back at home earliest by 10 pm coz cannot actually to coupe with living cost overhere, even his salary is more than 3k sgd, he only afford buying alza in malaysia, rather than buying any car in singapore coz expensive. His brother only earned 2k sgd, but only buying viva :-).
sorry for double posting, problem with my hsdpa in my handphone i think
Too much hu-ha about this limp duck!!!!
peugeot/bmw prince 1.6 produce 156 bhp and this lump at 138 bhp?
what about reliability? naik genting bocor piston la huhuhu.
bila org kaya berbicara…inilah org kaya sombong n ego…
ko ingat semua org mampu beli kereta import ke? kalo mampu pkai kereta import g main jauh jauh. toksah sibuk dkt ruangan ni.
ko nak naik genting guna torque Nm ke horse power bhp? engineer akan kata torque…
conti cars horse power tggi sbb diorg nak performance especially bile drive kat auto bahn…
malaysia byk hilly area, torque at lower rpm lagi penting bai…
S.A.T also cannot have proper punctuation :S
How is the proper one should be? I Google-d S.A.T seems like its widely used in the world!
Jujur kalau dikatakan Proton memang boleh berbangga dgn injin baru ni, tapi kalau nak mantap kena jaga kualiti, orang beli Toyota sbb kualiti, satu masa dulu saya pernah pakai Proton(wira), dan saya dah melalui pelbagai ragam dan karenah kereta ni, bukan kereta tu tak ok , tapi pembuatan dan part yang digunakan mmg teruk, contoh gap sana-sini ternganga sini longgar, sana tercabut, situ patah…dan mcm2 lagi. tambah lagi pusat servis yg tak membantu langsung. Tapi sekarang mungkin dah berubah, dah ada injin baru, harap2 Proton dah tak macam dulu….utamakan kualiti, utamakan pelanggan, good luck Proton.
Sial betul !!!!!!!!! menyesal beli LIVINA sebulan lepas.
trade in je la bro… LIVINA kan 2nd market value bagus. :)
Don’t worry bro… Grand Livina oso a good mpv. Just enjoy it!
As an Exora owner, I believe Grand Livina is a handsome vehicle & well-proportion in design. Almost bought it – test drove it twice! – until i found out the 3rd row bench-seat is not split-folded. I need it for certain reason.
I drive Exora CPS auto high line. Already done 45k km. So far happy with it, no funny sound etc. maintenance also cheap…. Service – have paid approx RM1400 in total.
Family also happy with LCD and facilities available. Foc difficult to judge since I drive not so far to office, approx 6 km a-way… Every 10 days need to refuel costing ave RM105 Ron 95. May go up to avg 390 km, but if on highway may reach 650 km fully loaded with luggage, 3 adults avg 95 kg, 4 children.
For me, it has enough power from start… Once you have get used to driving an Exora CPS, then you will know how to manipulate the engine to prevent powerless feeling.
Happy also with the auto cruise facility… So useful during highway driving at 110 km/h…, but when fully loaded, sometimes have to be aware with the engine RPM when climbing hilly part sine the engine will definitely vrrroooommmm due to the gear downshifted to lower gear in order to maintain the preset speed…. U may just leave the engine and tranny to do their job, or you may want to deactivate auto cruise manually…. I prefer the latter… Pity the engine has to spin up to 4500 rpm.
When I read this brief review, my wife and I are so excited…. The power now made available… May be the hiccup factor mentioned above shall no more a problem.
Agree with views that it is different experience driving a Proton now… I have owned Iswara, Wira, Avanza previously. Personally, the Exora is the best! I have driven Saga blm… a big jump from Saga to Exora.
A personal sharing from me. I have so far recommend a number of friends to test drive Exora, and many now an owner. Your life, you determine how to live it! For me being practical is the best way to go…. Set your priority right and look forward for a meaningful family life.
Well done to Proton and wish you all the best! Surprise me (rattatoule…).
Thank you Aidi,
Glad when someone appreciate our hard work.
One you all drive exora, one thing you should input into your mind is that, your are driving with intelligent CPU.
Driving habit and technique must change in order to have a good driving experience.
Thank you.
mr x70, i understand what u mean about purchasing power, but when u mention about 3k sgd salary can buy u a mini cooper in singapore that price at nearly 170sgd with coe, it get me confius how he can afford to pay for such a car. If u mentioned he can buy a vios at around 100k sgd with coe, it might sound better n logical for me.
And its puzzle me when u said that u ain’t in singapore, but it like u know really well about prices over there, em, is it citra@rondo as u mentioned in singapore cost 26k sgd already include coe? Coz if u want to own the car u need to pay coe.
To mr who, i know what is omv price n i know japs in malaysia has hefty margin on their car prices in malaysia, that is also what i want to point out when even cbu n ckd tax already lower, but they still charge us premium.
I used omv price in singapore to prove that even in tax free environment, u cannot get the car price as in japan in malaysia for example coz due to cif(cost of insurance n freight), hefty dealer profit n their own profit and other overhead cost that they have to bear bring in the car in malaysia.
Being locals, prtn has advantage cost dont inccur cif cost n other overhead cost that foreign makes has to bear n include it in the price.
Why i take singapore omv price, it is because it is the nearest country to ours, so cif is not that higher than malaysia n easy to obtain prices since they are transparent in providing the data.
Mr x70,If u look at singapore selling car price, it is not that expensive if dollar to rm being equal, but in order to own a car, u have to bid cost of entitlement or coe. So, u have to to add it to the selling price. Then it become expensive compare even comparing dollar to rm equally. If cerato forte is around 90k sgd to own it, is it possible for u to get brand new rondo@citra at 26k sgd?
And if u can share info on brand new house with yard in singapore just cost around 350k sgd coz may cousin really interested in it since, for the time being, he only managed to search for a terrace that really small cost around nearly 700k sgd. If 350k sgd is the price for house with yard, that really a bargain n really a good investment for him. Not only him,me also interested coz u know, how fast is the property price increase over there. This is a big opportunity. Tq in advance.
Mr aidi, i think that u shud check back ur fc in town coz it really worst. Assuming that u r a sedate driver coz just 6km away, so 12km perday. Maybe next time u send ur car for service, ask them to retune@even reset the ecu. Rm 105 can get below 400km, u shud getting on average 450km town driving atleast.May i know what rating of ur engine oil used? Hopefully atleast 10w 30@10w 40 semi, or even better 5w 40@0w 30 fully, for me best of buck is 5w 40 penzoil platinum fully synt coz it only cost around rm90. Avoid using 15w 50 coz it will harm ur fc or even one of my friend case, dealer sc pour march 5 20w 50 mineral oil, n he already suffering nearly a year before realise it. Haiya,stupid dealer sc. Avoid them if u can, go to proton branch sc. Me,myself had nightmare with eon sc.
If fc still dont improve after all measures taken, try the last measure, lighten ur right foot :-). Restrict ur foot from reaching 3k rpm.
Mr. X70 don’t make an objective comparison. It should be Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) and Price index for certain goods and services taken into consideration. To compare any products is over or under price (some argue currency over or under value), then McDonald or KFC is good indication since the tax structure all over the world is similar for basic item (i.e. need based) for F & B (not high class restaurant or alcohol).
Wallau… syiok la Exora Bold ni… but I already became proud owner of Exora MC… lepas ni kalau ternampak Exora Bold kt rear mirror, kene cepat2 tepi bagi jalan… :p
aku xkisah klu org thumbdown aku bila ckp pasal cukai coz yg penting,aku nak org malaysia nih berpemikiran kritis. Aku bukan pro kerajaan, aku neutral.
Aku xnak org kita bayo rega lebih dr sepatutnya. Kdg2 kena amik tindakan kat company japang(tp bukan sume) yg kdg2 amik kesempatan atas mindset org kita, klu kete jepun, bayo mahalpun xper,padahal,walupun termasuk cukai, diaorg masih dpt kurangkan rega dr rega sekarang. Mentang2 tau org malaysia nih jenis xkisah,asalkan jepun, depa amik kesempatan.
Pastu, aku xnak org kita bermimpi disiang hari, xkan wujud free tax 100% mana2 utk kete kat mana2 negara. Klu tax kete rendahpun, kat tmpat lain diaorg cekau, cntoh running cost tinggi@ cam singapore, ownership kete kena bayo cukup tinggi.
Xnak jugak selalu bermimpi,klu afta, kete free of tax, padahal menda itu xkan berlaku, hanya duti import sahaja xda, local tax n sales tax masih lg apply. Klu afta pun, paling tinggi vios kurang dr 80k, jadik 75k, kcuali toyota sanggup rendahkan profit dia n profit dealer dia.
Singapore, thailand n negara asean lain, sume kenakan local tax, cume import tax xda.
Duti eksais n cukai jualan nih, bukan cukai utk kete ajek. Terutama cukai jualan,sume barangan ada. Klu hapuskan, makin berkurang pendapatan, esok, kita jugak yg susah.
Cume yg logik, mintak dikurangkan, bg previllage kenderaan tempatan mcm yg iran buat, br kete prtn murah2, bleh beli exora bold cfe rega 55k ke, lg bgs, tax freekan kete tempatan, dpt beli bold cfe kurang dr rm 40k, bold cfe, rm39k, masih mahal ke agak2nya klu itu reganya tax free?
Tp klu ikut mentaliti org malaysia, klu exora m-line auto yg dlm rm32k, avanza kekalkan tax sekarang n mcm rega sekarang, rm 70k ++, masih ramai beli avanza gak. Klu myvi extreme rega sekarang rm60k++, saga flx se rega 25k, myvi ttp jualan tertinggi gak coz dr japan. Everything worth a penny even paying more than u shud pay. Diaorg ckp ttp murah kete jepun, mcm ada sorg mamat tuh ckp, exora bold, 79k,mahal giler, baik beli livina 1.8, lg murah.
Xkisahlah klu kualiti jepun bgs@tahap dewa, tp 79k versus 90k+; 79k mahal, 90k murah. Pelik, xpenah lg cikgu aku atau lecturer aku dulu ajo gitu. 79 lebih beso dr 90. Tp yg sebenarnya, yg 90 tuh, bleh jek jual 80, tp saje xnak,nak untung lebih.
Em, entahlah.
mat, I am not taxation expert but to summarize all of important taxations that it should take considerations the gov expenditure, economic development, and to be fair and equitable to the rakyat: –
GOOD POLICY
1) Tax should be use as a way of revenue for gov, but at the same time not burden the rakyat. One good tax structure is income tax (i.e. the richer you are, the more you pay tax in term of value and percentage). This tax structure is to tax more the rich and help more on the poor (part of wealth re-distribution).
2) FTA – the main objective is to let the consumers to enjoy the supply and demand for goods and services at market price without the distortion of taxation. One good example is electronic and electrical products. This enable any product sell in the market is the lowest price irrespective of geography location. E.g. IPad 2 sell at US starting USD 499, in MY is RM 1,499, which reflect the conversion rate, or if any slight difference is due to non-taxation factor (i.e. logistic)
3) Tax incentive (i.e. exemption), like tax exemption for certain manufacturer producing “local products” or to attract FDI.
BAD POLICIES
1) “Anti FTA spirit” like exorbitant Import and Excise duty tax design to create monopoly or distort certain import product in order to protect local product. In order to circumvant FTA, replacement is Sales tax and other form of “local tax” with same objective to create price distortion in favor of local product. Good example is NAP, not only create price distortion, but also tolerate inefficiency of local player. Worst kind is breeding cronies and AP King (non-tariff @ permit to control the volume of imported car, 10% TIV)
2) VAT, “polls tax”, Govt tax (5% or 6%) + Service (10%) is a “double” or 2nd/3rd time tax on the goods and services. e.g. fast food restaurant.
4) Tax structure in combination of other favorable terms design to help cronies biz (monopoly and price fixing by cartel) and put the burden on the rakyat to pay for any inefficiency, profiteering, gravy train, etc. e.g. IPP, toll highways, Privatisation of water supply, outsourcing of gov dept services. This SOP always resulted in the following outcomes: –
a) “Cronies-Capitalist” – “when the operation make monies, then it will go into cronies private pocket”
b) “Government-Socialist” – “when the operation make loss, then the gov (read tax payer monies) will absorb the loses”.
Anything thing to add!!!!!!!
“Government-Socialist” – “when the operation make loss, then the gov (read tax payer monies) will absorb the loses”.
: isn;t that what are the US and European company doing now? bailing out and giving out cash to its banks and businesses? what difference does it make? it is bcoz Malaysia doing it, so it cannot be accepted but when developed countries doing it, so its ok.
This is not a CPS engine but instead based on the Campro older generation model.
Proton has maxed out the life of its Campro engine and a replacement
is way overdue. Don’t give us this same crap-pro enigine over and over again.
All ic engines were based from a century old tech. way, way, way obselete tech. Technology not always means we create radical new stuff every times. But rather we build on top something we’re familiar with and keep improving it. BTW do you know that Intel i7, which probably most of us are using was based from their Pentium Pro series from the 90’s – a very old design
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i think you are one of produa staff. Go and check the CPS engine in detail. Not just make a assumption.
hmm… read the review carefully, there is vvt not to be confuse with CPS and the old campro dude!
why not compare with japs?
proton already compared with contis , wow
138hp for now , 151hp for later
congratulation proton, I must say this is a MPV worth to consider for. As the specification and design of a car getting wise, I surely hope the Quality Assurance for the 3rd party vendor also being taken consider much more serious. Don’t hold back and keep making us proud…:)
i need fuel statistics, nice national car
wah..meriahnye kat sini…de yang suka..de yg xsuka..de yang bengang..de yang marah..de yang berlagak..de yang xtaw die ckp pe..Malaysia Unik =)
yup,agree with ur idea expat, but no matter with tax or without, price will be differ due to logistic cost n other cost. For example, profit for dealer, in small country like maybe in brunei, its really hard to rule out low profit to their dealer coz their selling capability is low.
Even if thailand, singapore, malaysia, brunei or any other countries in the world is tax free, the price will be different due to many factors. For prtn, selling cars in peninsular has diff price in selling in sabah n sarawak, even they r in the same country and even having the same tax policy, but why price in sabah n sarawak always higher than peninsular?
That is just from peninsular to sabah n sarawak, not really that far. But if from japan to malaysia, from germany to malaysia or even from usa to malaysia, there a a lot of other cost involve. Even if u r buying i phone through ebay usa, u have to pay different price compare to in usa coz of courier charge.
Thats why i said, we cannot take price from usa or other countries as basis comparison car prices in malaysia,even in tax free environment,it will be different. To compare also u need to search for base prive or omv, not the selling price due to taxation. It is not fair comparing wish tax free price with exora with tax price.
About PPP, it also not suitable to mention person that earn 6k here cannot buy mini cooper std in malaysia while a person in singapore earn 3k sgd can afford to own it. If sgd=rm, mini cooper std in malaysia if i not mistaken price around maybe rm120k to rm 150k,(lazy to check, maybe somebody can check it, mini cooper std, non-turbo 1.6 auto) while in singapore it cost at whooping around 170k sgd. So, sgd=rm equally, person that earn 3k can afford buy 170k car, while 6k earning person cannot afford buying 120k car? Is that comparison showing PPP???
Its not make sense. Or does it???
While to own an apartment with one bedroom cost u sgd 600k++, how can get a house with a yard just for sgd 350k. So,if its true,then this house is really a good investment, dont mind to invest in buying it with my cousins. Cost we can sell it immediately at double or tripple the price.
Mat,
You got your points.
But, I don’t seems to understand, why markets such as UK and Australia is getting a cheaper price than Malaysia for the same specification of Proton models. The car is being manufactured in Malaysia for all the markets. There should be extra logistic cost, extra tax (export & import tax, etc) and other extra cost involves for external markets such as those UK and Australia. But, our Malaysia citizen (especially our friends in Sarawak & Sabah) is paying more for the same specification.
I’m not blaming Proton 100% for this, as this also involves our Policy Makers in the Government. I’ve picked the prices in UK, Australia and Malaysia to illustrate my points as below. You can also survey further in Proton website for respective market.
I really hope there is somebody who can provide some enlightenment on this matter.
Following is the prices as of 24 Dec 2011:-
United Kingdom
Proton Gen 2
Price -> RM48,614.57 (£9,885.00) to RM57,221.09 (£11,635.00)
Proton Persona
Price -> RM54,024.38 (£10,985.00) to RM57,958.79 (£11,785.00)
Australia
Proton Gen 2
Price -> RM51,185.00 (AUD15,990.00) to RM63,989.25 (AUD19,990.00)
Proton Persona
Price -> RM47,983.93 (AUD14,990.00) to RM54,386.06 (AUD16,990.00)
Malaysia (Peninsular Malaysia). Price in East Malaysia is higher.
Proton Gen 2
Price -> RM54,538.00 to RM60,488.00 (Medium to Highline)
Proton Persona
Price -> RM46,499.00 to RM59,499.00 (Basic to Highline)
no surprise, same situation as in jap and korea
they sell their cars outside cheaper than in their home
hery,
well… you may be rite. but the japs and the koreans, are manufacturing their models in other countries to do that (to bring the price cheaper for their external markets). but, proton is being manufactured in malaysia only as of now. i still don’t understand in the proton case.
not manufactured in malaysia only la. di iran and cina pun ada kilang proton (CKD). tapi tuk pasaran di uk ya, dibuat di malaysia.. ermm
If I not wrong all local brand and ckd car are tax about 70% duty and another10% sales tax.
Foreign country may go cheaper may be of lower tax and some orher offer from proton to make price cheaper.
flupke,
The answer to your question is we are under NAP, force paying with a lacklustre, uncompetitive products of jaguh kampung today, among other things. UK and Australia doesn’t have NAP like policies.
In the case of some car is more expensive in domestic market for Korea and Japan, it is not due to crappy taxes like NAP, but due to cost and pricing factors (e.g. like logistics and profit margin). Other factor may be Japan import say Honda Accord made in USA into their domestic market, or China pricing is lower because the kr and jp cars manufacture in cn with lower cost per unit. Of course as usual, there at least some perception of different quality for same car model produce in developed and developing countries.
Just got back from test drive. thanks to Mr Khairul Hisyam from Proton Edar Selayang (near Selayang Mall, same row with Mydin) for the test drive. Very nice chap, he is. On board are myself (175cm, 83kg), my friend (around my weight) and the salesman (a bit smaller than us). So, 3 adults.
Engine performance – Excellent for a MPV. I drove friend’s Exora CPS before and and I can say that performance box has been ticked by this CFE engine. Play zig-zag a bit from Templer Park to Bandar Baru Selayang (since got ‘ invitation’ from one very rude white Myvi driver) and got the comment “awak la orang paling ganas test drive dengan saya” from the salesman. Can feel that braking is excellent. Steering is responsive. SAT engaged – Both myself and my friend at the back (who drive Alphard) thinks that the gear shift is very smooth (can feel gear change but very very lightly). NVH is good. At traffic light can hardly heard the sound of those bikes (I’m at the front, just behind bikes), even at green light. Pickup when green light is excellent.
Try to get to Ulu Yam to test the maximum this MPV can handle but got an important call and back to the showroom immediately.
Interior – just dont like the steering design. but my friend like it. its subjective. other than that, all good. Good sound system too (just realize when i tried to park the MPV because during test drive, no radio on)
Exterior – better than Exora CPS. enough said.
Still not satisfy because 1.cannot test at straight line (for NVH and stability) for at least 2 km because too many car today and 2.the Ulu Yam stretch (to max out the steering, suspension and engine performance), but from the test drive, i can say this Exora is (referring to Danny’s final sentences) ‘the best MPV below RM100k one can buy in Malaysia.’
wowwww good experience…ya the steering need some…you know..
110 km/h @ 2,400 rpm…quite good in my opinion…should translate to better fuel economy on long distance runs. Love the new front grill and bumper design but not a fan of the clear type tail lights. Gotta get one.
Dear khimfoh,
since it was a turbo engine, if you are comparing to 1.6L engines, yet, CFE is not as good as u imagine. But if comparing to power & torque that CFE produce from 1.6L engine are nearly equal to 2.0L engine. I would say yes, CFE much fuel economy car.
We want you & other customer happy with PROTON cars.
PROTON committed to be better.
The power and torque figures produced by 1.6L CFE actually surpasses many 2.0L NA engines. Turbocharged CFE should be treated as a 2.0L equivalent. Therefore, any performance and fuel consumption test should be compared with 2.0L engines, not 1.6L engines.
but if you compare to the other car manufacturer, who used a turbo in their car, it produce more good POWER as well as good FC and emission.
How come Proton still cannot built a better FC engine? always mention their engine is parallel power with 2.0 cc. That is not apple to apple comparison, they should compare with a Turbo vs Turbo engine lah!!
most manufacture ‘claim’ their FC is better.. But my Hyundai 1.25 One full thank rm70 only can get 350 city driving. Compare to Proton Savvy Way better. Even viva 1.0 Way2 better. Just look around Hyundai forum how ‘fuel save’ their car..
Great! This is the best MPV < RM100K in Malaysia and well done to Proton Engineers & the team.
I've tested the Exora Bold and I must say i'm impressed with the CFE engine. The engine simply outperform the Exora body. To Perodua, Toyota & Nissan, please learn something from Proton, don't take your customer for easy ride far too long.
Looking forward for the CFE engine to be installed in the new TUAH.
CFE engine.. CVT 6 gear GB… Rear disc brake.. auto cruise,, walla
these are much2 better than dump engine from japan to kampung ASEAN countries, 4AT GB and timing chain…some ah beng said timing chain is hi tech one… prrrtfhhh.
hmmmm,lets look at the sales statistics…….how come people still buy the dump tech? dump is not equal to dumb, in marketing, we call it proven.. ha ha ha.
Timing chain 80’s vs timing chain today…anyone can advise….still the same or diff.
I still dont like the CVT……smooth on the upside. Acceleration feels confident, not sure it is that much faster.
Makes me sea-sick in stop n go traffic, town traffic and otherwise, no complaints.
So far havent heard any CVT failure so I guess it is good for the lifetime they say it is good for….how ‘000k km?
Btw, CVT is not Proton tech rite….ha ha ha. I luv Protons becos it is the only thing I can afford.
Merry christmas.
u refer to sales statistic in kampung bolehland … but if u refer to sales statistic in Europe or developed countries,.. the figure will be diff.
that why japanese only dump their old tech and engine to ASEAN not in europe coz they know.. with ASEAN mindset.. japaenese is superior.. kampung ppl simply cant be conned
nowadays.. global car manufacturers moving to cvt or 6/7AT…
only kampung ppl in bolehland and ASEAN love 4AT coz its japanese
prrrtfhhhhh…
not forgetting dual clutch transmission too
here i’m not comparing proton with japs or conti, since proton never develop own it’s transmission ( as many others too)
Just for education sake, hope it would shed some light for more fruitful discussion.
here you go, lets read CVT vs Dual Clutch vs Conventional AT.
http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/skyactiv/transmission/skyactiv-drive.html
reminder! Just for Education, don’t make it head-to-head Proton vs Mazda pulak.. ;)
ehehheh..a perfect engine unit to be install in my Saga BLM…haha…YesSSS !!!!
i dont think you can out in saga engine room…the turbo and cat con package doesn’t fit in saga…
you also need double fan for CFE engine…
Of course it can fit nicely in Saga/Waja/Persona/Gen2/Neo bays.
The only problem is where to get a whole set engine + harness + tranny + ECU? Need to wait for some poor exoras got totalled due to rear end collisions. haha
Best Proton EVER!
Go and buy 5 biji untuk 5 girlfriend!
em,mr fluke, as in sabah n sarawak, even locals has to incur cif cost due to shipping the car overthere hence there is no assemble plant overthere, n the traders/dealers profit also diff according to market.
When u pick price from au@uk, there are not the base price, it will be influence by many things such as diff running cost,duff insurance premium, diff registration cost. If u want to compare, shud look at omv@base price@docket price (malaysian customs used this term) coz this price including all insurance n freight cost but excluding dealers profit, taxes,registration, insurance premium(dont be confius with the insurance for cif cost insurance for cif is bear by manufacturer, while insurance premium bear by end user.
Even in uk, if u buy a 2nd hand 1k uk car, but you end up paying premium for insurance maybe up to 3k pound. So,the insurance cost more than the car itself. Watch it in astro 734 in fifth gear. Running cost overthere really high.
The samething happen in au. Maybe certain things look cheaper overthere if rm=to all currency, but in indonesia, if use the rule rm=rupiah, meaning that rm1=1rupiah, so, indonesia n japan will be the most expensive country in the world.
Thats why we still to use forex, no matter what. The same thing happen if u compare rm=all currency, if saying 80k mpv in msia is expensive, citra is 26k in au i guess, so, in uk, rondo cost less than that even cheaper, but the salary@pay out over uk, still higher. So,is it australian also paying goods at higher price???
So, rm=foreign currency, dollar to dollar matter cant be used. Even imported australian beef in malaysian is cheaper than beef meat in malaysia, is that mean seller are overcharge us? How much durians if sell overthere compare to price in malaysia. How much nasi lemak cost in au@uk compare to dollar to dollar comparison?
Ok, back to the topic, like danny said,it is easier for u to forget exora bold is not even the rival of wish@stream, let alone pug, crosstouran n etc(coz people are comparing them in this blog, even if u look at omv@baseprice@docket price, it is far cheaper than those mention), n just realise that they are actually rivalry of innova, avanza 1.5, livina 1.6, eastar and etc.
If i can reveal the internal data about mk1 exora cps on ride n handling comfort n dynamic compare to rival, those who are saying rit rivals has most sophistacated n luxury ride, u will be shock. Still remember, long time ago,when malaysian journo mention exora r n h, equally to honda odessey, malaysian get mad n bash him, but when thais journo n indonesian journo also mentioned the same thing, peopke say nothing. Even to our own journo, malaysian being bias, more confident with buch of clown in top gear. Top gear is like AF(i know many will get angry with me) more on entertainment, put more on publicity stun, rather than prof opinion, and who is jeremy clarkson? Have anyone check top gear crew background before listen to their comment?
Bro Mat,
Thank you for the enlightenment.
1. I’m not questioning Proton’s capability to produce car. Personally, I believe Proton have improved a lot especially with this Exora CFE CVT coming into the market.
2. I agree with you that RM1 does not equals to GBP1 or Rupiah1. That’s why I converted all the value in the respective market into RM in my earlier post. Therefore, Forex rules applies.
3. The prices that I have stated in my earlier post are the sales prices (not on the road price, not including registration or insurance). That means, the prices in the respective markets already included the tax cost, logistic cost, dealership cost, etc. But the problem is, why are we Malaysian is still paying higher price to buy Proton? I still don’t get it.
4. Let’s assume that there are 2 Proton cars (same model, same specification, same color, etc) coming out of Proton factory (in Malaysia) and both have the same price at the factory door. For illustration sake, let’s assume both cars price is at RM30,000 at factory door. 1 car will go to Malaysian market and the other car will go to UK market. Let’s take the Persona Highline price in the respective market (refer to my earlier post). The UK people will have to pay RM57,958.79 (£11,785.00) and Malaysian will have to fork out RM59,499.00. The difference in the UK market will be RM27,958.79 and the Malaysian market is 29,499.00. Now, what contributes to the higher price difference for the Malaysian market compared to the UK market considering the ex-factory price is the same? In this scenario, naturally, the tax & duty cost, logistic cost, dealership cost for the UK market should be higher, which means the UK consumer price should be higher than Malaysia. But, why are we Malaysian, end up up paying higher consumer price than the UK citizen?
Care to enlighten more?
flupke,
To answer your Q4, it is simple, P1 may likely “cross subsidy” the uk unit by selling at below the cost for the reason best known to them – to hit KPI or for the sake of export statistic, or to make it “sale-able”.
So, you won’t be surprise if the price for Saudi Arabia or UAE is much more cheaper at below RM 40K with same criteria comparison.
The units sold in these countries are “negligible”, so P1 strategy is to sell it at under cost, and “cross-subsidized” by consumers in Bolehland. What I know is P1 sold less than 10% of its car for export.
In Korea, Hyundai sold more than 70% of its car for export, 30% for domestic, yet together with other local brands like KIA, they capture 70% of domestic market in kr.
To say that from economy perspective, it is a dumping price is unlikely because this is not what shopping complex marketing jargon @ “mega sales”, that is “stock clearance” for old model. P1 still sell it new but outmoded models to UK or Aus. So, dumping price is not applicable in this case.
Dumping price also refer to a product selling below cost.
To illustrate how dumping price work, let look at below example: –
Say the cost of shirt at factor door is RM 40, the margin is 150%, the selling price is = RM 100
Say they produce 100 shirt, after normal pricing sales, say they sold 80% of the inventory after 3 year. Next new design is coming yet there are 20% existing old stock still unsold. Therefore, in order to clear stock (save inventory cost and space as well), they conduct mega sales with 70% discount to clear the remaining stock.
1) By 70% discount, the selling price for the shirt is RM 30, which is below cost of RM 40.
2) Cost to make the shirt, 100 unit x RM 40.00 = RM 4,000.00
3) Total sales turnover for first 80% sale, 80 unit x RM 100 = RM 8,000.00
4) Profits make from 80% of shirt sold, 80 unit = RM 8,000.00 – RM 4,000.00 = RM 4,000.00
4) The turnover from dumping price exercise is 20 unit x RM 30 = RM 600.00
5) Therefore, even though it is fire sales @ 70% below cost at RM 40 per unit, they are able to increase the profit by another RM 600.00 (dumping price) because the production cost already recover in the first round of sales without discount. So, total profits for 100 unit is RM 4,600.00 or average 115%.
This is what Apple is doing now with its IPhone 3GS old model dumping price selling at RM 1K ++, while latest model Iphone 4S are selling at RM 2,199.00 (16G), RM 2,499.00 (32G) and RM 2,799.00 (64G).
So the conclusion is “we are paying with a lacklustre, uncompetitive Proton car today, among other things”, and NAP is the grandest scam (not scheme) behind it.
In simple word, we will never have enough qty to be cost effective! you shall not came into this game at all…
Look at Volvo, SAAB, MG Rover, Range Rover, end up, still have to sell it off because of the qty game…
We have to look at the world.. even those world car is sharing same platform, engine and parts…who are we compare to their qty…
If BMW is so expesive in Malaysia (tax issue) , they are selling more than 3 millions pieces for 1 model…We might take 20 years to each there..not taking about single model…
lol, its simply because the tax imposed by our beloved Malaysian govt on local production Proton cars is higher than what the UK govt charged on imported cars.
In Saudi Arabia, proton got some tax exemption from Saudi Govt, thats why it is cheaper over there.
honda odyssey has long ugly back
i prefer exora even if it has smaller capacity engine (1.6 turbo @ 2.0)
Whoever says honda odysey ugly should go for mental check
agree, it’s big ugly mpv with long back
even honda civic engine that is touted the ‘king of car’ (far from reality) screams loud to take over car in front, take some time to feel the urge of sissy i-vtech power. what to be proud then?
Hell yeah…
any car would scream if car infront of u is 200mph….
no need 200kmh, only 90kmh, wtf
about fc cfe higher than cps, why dont look at pug 308, 3008 n 5008 fc as well, try to compare the vti non turbo engine fc n thp 156 turbo fc, which one has higher fc, the vti@turbo?
So, what does charge fuel efficiency means? It means the engine that produce equivalant to 1.8 na n nearly equal to most 2.0 na engine power, but with 1.6 fc(not the best 1.6 fc,just average), n even with 1.6 roadtax and its lighter than 2.0 engine.
ha ha ha ha……marketing term deh….there are many types of turbo systems in the market…..this one low boost some more….actually some geniuses will learn to release more horses easily…….turbo is addictive. Encourage heavy foot syndrome, if drive like normal, FC will be similar.
I can’t see a clock, is there a clock ?? The Pesona i bought don’t have a clock when i use the trip meter, i have to stick my hand behind those little setting buttons to see the clock. Thats dangerous while driving !!!
Why don’t you use the clock on the radio?
the clock is located on top of the center aircond vents on the dashboard.. no need to push or stick your finger on any button :)
warranty brp tahun @ brp km? anyone know?
checked. warranty 3 yrs or 100K KM, whichever … you now la..
mr flupke, tax structure is not the same in uk and in malaysia, i already highlighted how much our national car being tax in here n also non national car. Even if u compare non national car,it also diff from malaysia market n uk due to diff tax structure. Sometimes i confius about ur statement that that u understand that even on selling price(not on the road), it include tax, freight, insurance dealer profit n etc. But u still asking why its diff? Yes, prtn incurr cost of freight n insurance, but how much is ist, if i not mistaken, to uk, it is maybe around(estimation) rm3k only and it is not really a big portion. Dealer profit also vary.
The price that u show us is selling price, not base price/omv@docket price. If u want to compare, u need to search for base@omv@docket price, which is not available in malaysia bcoz it is confidential for public. I dunno about uk since its to far away. But u can get how much is omv price in singapore for u to use as basis of comparison.
The price in malaysia, doesnt reflect ots true value, not only coz tax, but due to dealer/traders profit that will be include after tax. I give u a hint, how about toyota wish 2.0 price without tax in langkawi, n how much exactly its docket price from royal custom, then u can guess how much dealer profit that langkawi people paying to buy it. Wish 2.0 docket price is rm 56k ++. But if including registration,it supposed to cost u around 60k. But they charge u around 90k in langkawi, so nearly 30k for trader’s/dealer’s profit(which i think it is umw itself the dealer,not other 3rd party). So, does toyota discriminate their own dealer in japan by just by giving low dealer profit to them?
So if proton exora cost u rm35k(omv price), so if plus the same profit as toyota taken, so,35+30k=rm 65k, so, when buying previous exora m-line, how much its otr price?
If the tax rules n calculation is simpler, easier to everyone to comprehend. So, no matter what, u cannot simply taken selling price from other country coz simply basis of comparison, u just need to obtaiin docket price/omv/base price from customs which not easy to get. The 2nd easiest way is by ask any of ur foreign friend, apply for mm2h programme, then u can get all the list including prtn and perodua car price excluding tax.
mr flupke,tax n duty is not according to country location,its up to the government of particular country to set ot up. To saying that uk having higher tax rate n duty, even traders profit than malaysia, is not applicable.
Even in arabs, their only charge 5% tax only. But in iran, u know how much they charge nowadays when they come up with their own national car.
Persona h-line, in peninsular excluding langkawi, without tax,but with dealer profit n road tax plus insurance, it only cost rm38k only, that is far cheaper than uk price. Hope u see it clearly, in uk n usa, the tax is not that high, only running cost is higher.
OK, tested one just now… overall, it is a better choice compare with Innova, avanza, Lavina…
In short, still the best choice for MPV below RM100K…
ahaa..Proton basher… again..there are so many Can-Talk-Only people right here..arguing like a ‘professor’ but nothing… just talk and talk.. but not proven anything by these ppls..please la all these basher..group out into one..then start to make a car prototype model.. then show to people that ur guys ‘professor’ can come out better many2 times than 26 years old Proton! then Proton will close their company..old sell to all of you ‘professors’..
at least PROTON sucessfully come out with new Power train.. that fit to the needs of our culture/ family…with Gov policy has done the best for RAKYAT.. in this country reality… how cheap the car we want? to dream over here..please go to our neighborhood..dont to much influenced by those bad opposition political minded.. from sea to sky.. everything looks goes wrong? but wht they do? just TALK..BASH..NONSENSE!
.. and i had tested last week.. awesome..superb acceleration with 4 adults with me.. no more negative comment! please sometimes say true even bitter..even we dont like it..
GOOD JOB PROTON!! GO PROTON!!
My simplified comment on Protong products = _|_
With Regards & Happy New Year,
SY0H
lepas anak aku cukup 5 orang..
aku akan angkat Exora Bold ney
aiyo…penat la baca karangan panjang panjang kat atas. some debating about engine some about tax structure. all i know is exora bold is the best proton model. so paul…why dont u open new column special for those who want to discuss on tax structure.
i think if proton make a mpv like estima or alphad or make supercar like lamborghini n ferrari…people (malaysian) still “kutuk2” proton. because its PROTON..
xtest drive lg tp dah kutuk, ckp xserupa bikin..beli sebab jenama….knp korea blh membangun? sbb support their own product!!!
support their own product? You cakap begitu lantang beli 4 buah Exora Bold untuk 4 bini kah?
i dont said 4 exora bold for 4 bini…clear with my statement OK. Support means give some positive opinion. Dulu kereta KIA dan hyundai tu hebat sngt ke? skrg dah makin naik sbb org korea support korean made. pegi la san tgk sendiri if xpercaya
what kind of comment is this?
Dear mr A,
What makes you think that the people in here whom commented against protonggg are not patriotic? What “test drive” you’re talking about? Majority Malaysian have actually OWNED at least a piece of the Crap Metal “Tin Milo” products since its abomination existence from 1980’s.
Don’t start accusing forumers with your “kutuk-mengutuk” statement. You’re doing the same thing too.
Majority Malaysians (whom actually the previous or/and current owners) of the “Tin Milo” products knows how sucks is the QC/QA.
Well on the brighter side, technological improvement is there (I have to admit), but on the QC/QA part (which is actually a very Major thing), protonggg has a very long way to go.
NAP, Croniysm, Monopolization, poor service by staffs (not all, but quite a lot eh?) – all are also contributing factors that will bring about protonggg destruction sooner or later.
Why we are bashing? (as in Malay – “kutuk-mengutuk”)? Go figure yourself.
Eh brother, kalau kutuk benda yang betul dan yang hak mana ada salah, malah dibenarkan!!! Lu pikirlah sendiri!!!
Dear SY0H
Do u live a 1980? We already 2011 and nearly to 2012. Pls wake up.
I dont said anything about patroitic. I said did anyone kutuk proton already test drive this exora bold or not.? Pls clear with my statement.
If never do that, than shout up your mouth. No need to comment without anything.
Again i want to remember we are in 2011 and near to 2012. Not 1980 anymore OK.
wake up wake up….Personally i already test inspira and lancer, what i can say is inspira much more better. Persona elegance high line and vios…comfortable more with persona with hadling and more stable. And if ask why people buy vios because its toyota. just like that? Came on la….
then go to thailand lah bro.. why stay here.. see if you are happy being there.. i also can get you citizenship of TH if you want too…
just test drive one at edar klang last saturday.. interior feels a bit better than 1st generation exora.. meter cluster is much nicer than in picture.. the illumination is very nice to look at.. steering wheel grip also feel more solid.. thou agreed emblem there could have been of a much better finishing.. sound insulation is much improved.. can hear the door closing has a much more “premium” sound to it..
overall very nice driving experience even just on a short route (just managed to drive a few start-stops, a hill climb, and a short highway cruise).. love the “jet turbine” sound effect of the turbo when rev above 2k rpm.. very addictive!! hehe.. driving in SAT mode very quiet and smooth.. pick-up power definitely unbeatable in its class.. thumbs up to proton for the major improvement on the engine.. its a lil bit funny thou when i ask the SA whether the engine is turbocharge or not.. the SA replied “its not a turbo but it feels like turbo”.. dont no whether she knew what she’s talking about or not.. a lil let down on the marketing side i’d say.. a good product with a bad presentation..
can’t say this exora is a great mpv but it is undeniably on top of other mpvs available in our local market now.. seems that proton had earned their place to be on par with other makers finally.. product wise they may have been nailed it.. but what is a good product without an equally good marketing & after sales.. proton really needs to consider a major overhaul on that area if they really want to become a global player.. look at perodua for instance.. look at how they convince the public on how good are their cars for having EPS, timing chain, etc.. they’re turning their weak points into one of the major selling points.. i’d say their marketing had done a very good job..
bro.. as perodua.. actually their marketing is simple.. since their hiding behind japs daihatsu/toyota`s butts…
simple reply from the salesman
` our product originally from Japan maa.. sure good one..` this kind of promoting idea only can be applied at malaysia bolehland ..
even if you ask.. why perodua still use old 4AT powertrain… then the salesman reply.. nevermind.. this 4AT from toyota tech.. sure good one.. no need cvt, 7 gears laaa..
neway i repeat.. these kind of marketing only laku kat mesia bolehland
prrrtfhhh
Continuously Variable Tansmissions (CVT) are becoming more popular for good reason. They boast several advantages that make them appealing both to drivers and to environmentalists. The table below describes some of the key features and benefits of CVTs. A continuously variable transmission, or CVT, is a type of automatic transmission that provides more useable power, better fuel economy and a smoother driving experience than a traditional automatic.
Advantages of CVTs & Feature Benefit
Constant, stepless acceleration from a complete stop to cruising speed. Eliminates “shift shock” — makes for a smoother ride.
Works to keep the car in its optimum power range regardless of how fast the car is traveling Improved fuel efficiency.
Responds better to changing conditions, such as changes in throttle and speed. Eliminates gear hunting as a car decelerates, especially going up a hill.
Less power loss in a CVT than a typical automatic transmission. Better acceleration.
Better control of a gasoline engine’s speed range. Better control over emissions .
Can incorporate automated versions of mechanical clutches. Replace inefficient fluid torque converters.
Nissan Sylphy comes in two variants – 1.5 and 2.0. The 1.5 is 4AT while the 2.0 is CVT. Clearly, the CVT is superior to the 4AT otherwise it would not be in the higher class category. The Latio also comes in several variants. The standard 1.5 comes with 4AT while the premium 1.5 comes with CVT.
Bro..r u sure 4AT is the good one? old technology maa…..n r u very sure only laku at malaysia?
Honda Insight, Honda Fit, and Honda CR-Z hybrids, the Nissan Tiida/Versa (only the SL model), Nissan Cube, Juke, Sentra, Altima, Maxima, V35 Skyline GT-8, Rogue, Murano, Honda Capa, Honda Civic HX, Jeep Patriot and Compass use CVT. – looks like “WAW!!!” car its? (Nissan, Audi, Honda, Ford, GM)..search lor..u have google
He didn’t say 4AT is good… majority Msian car buyers are. Keep in mind who’s at the top of the sales chart, Peyno’s just saying why it’s up there…
If their intelligence is at least on par with first world country’s mentality, Perodua gulung tikar ancients ago edi… or come out with models with CVT, direct injection, aluminium shell, etcetc due to competition. They’re just lucky they have that big T to rely on to keep carbuyers terpukau buying overpriced tin milo in the name of profit maximisation.
perodua only can cheat kampung bolehland ppl.. infact in Indonesia they can’t cheat ppl eventho using daihatsu brand..
exactly my point dude.. thou i’m giving p2 just as reference.. still i’m impress with their ability to “brainwash” us m’sian into thinking that all the old tech that they giving us here is like god-sent or something..
based on my personal experience with a few salespersons with various brands including p1.. hate to say it but actually p1 is still lacking behind other brands in terms of marketing.. the problem is that they are not as enthusiastic and aggresive as other brands SA (i think most of p1 supporters in PT done a better job here in promoting p1 :) ).. they need to brush up more on their product knowledge in order to explain appropriately so that customers can understand better about their products.. after all they are the frontliners and they indirectly represent the company.. same goes to service centres.. even if the product is not good, with excellent service ppl may just forget about their car problem..
just like u said before, other brands no need to work hard since their parent brands already strong.. but for p1, we stand by ourselves.. therefore need to work harder..
by the way, heard some rumours saying that ex-p2 sales boss is already joining edar as ceo.. let see if this can turn the table around..
Hmmmm, CVT by Punch rite…ha ha ha.
Turbo from?
Aiyah every day I am driving auto FL or manual iswara, also ok mah.
Exora Turbot Bol some more, sure miles better.
But at last, not all of us need a 7 seater……pay 9 years loan……..and worse of all, keep bashing P2 becos they are different.
Anyway, people forget we also have…P3.
Test drove the Lagi best, no problem with auto box. Lagi power….no interest, dont really need that much power.
Nissan using X-CVT. Heard their first CVT got problems?
Pls tell me why my rear FL windows don’t go down all the way? Anyway bought too early did not get the Lifetime warranty.
And why on earth are they selling the company?????
The old Proton also get the lifetime warranty just by registering it at the nearest Proton SC. Read and study before you right man.
Yes u r “write”.
Good advise but we have to be fair, not all SC advise their customers correctly all the time.
Proton is using the old Campro engine and
here everyone is praising Proton for their achievement !!
Must be blind cos this hard revving engine characteristics will
cause high FC and load of wear and tear in the long term.
Dear pak dollah
Nobody in this car manufacturing world can afford to produce new engine for every each new product. Manufacturers will reuse and recycle whatever they have produced with other added improvements and name it as latest technology. This is marketing and busines strategy to avoid higher cost of production and loss.
Yes, Campro engine is a Hi-rev engine and thats why it is excellent to rev it above 3k rpm to feel the engine power (but you’ll loose FC for sure). And yet almost all race car is driven at hi-rev just to get to its max torque. Even Innova still uses Hi-rev engine.
BTW can anybody renovate his house by demolishing the entire house and build a new one? That wont be call improvement or renovation. Its new design, and it will be very costly.
Read the engine improvement spec first and try to understand what has improve and what not.
off topic, people talking about tax coz malaysian still comparing exora bold cfe with wish,stream,pug 3008&5008 n vw cros touran coz they said they will be the same price if tax free. This mindset will make u bias in comparing value of exora bold cfe in term of performance n money worth. If they r at the same price, of course bold is still far behind them, but if diff price bracket,in tax free world, ebold is competing with livina, innova,eastar n avanza 1.5. By the way, under asean cept, any cbu n ckd that originated at least 40% of its component,made from asean countries, cbu n ckd tax are 0%, i repeat 0%. Meaning that, if vios,jazz n etc, 40% of its part made from thai or indo, tey are tax exactly as local. So, please get clear picture on this.
Mr cannon ball, u r still entitle for pwr window life time warranty if ur fl is still under warranty@september 2011, u can fill the form at any proton fc applying for the life time warranty. For example, ur fl is 5 years warranty n already 2 years, meaning that u r entitle for another 8 years warranty for pwr windows, so hopefully u got the message.
About rear window,it is cutting cost measure, but is it really bother u that much? Maybe yes for u, but mostly, if i not mistaken, the most important part is front power windows coz normally the driver will pay the toll and rarely cars are fully occupied. But if its annoying, maybe u can opt for outside party pwrwindows. Just a suggestion.
mat, can you enlighten me on the followings: –
1) Talk about local parts, what methodology adopted to calculate “local parts”, be it by weight (kg)? Are all component weight accordingly and apportion the percentage according to weight?
Or by components total nos basis (e.g. wiper, spark plug, door handle, engine, tyre, etc). If by component how do they apportion weightage to each component. 1 screw/nuts component should be smaller % than say 1 tyre?
2) How about sub-sub components issue? Say the whole system of aircond of the car, the aircond might be supplied from Japs but the compressor may be make in Thai? Then the copper piping may be make in Malaysia, and the wiring is make in Taiwan?
3) Or the percentage (%) of parts is apportion according to its price?
I try to find this info quite sometime, but unable to get a good explanation, if you have any knowledge, care to share!!!!
and for langkawi, according customs act 1976, langkawi n labuan are tax wave from import duty n sales tax. Goods exported from malaysia to langkawi n labuan still subject to excise duty.
Those who still not test driven bold, just go for it, the meter cluster also not look as in the picture, if u look it with ur eyes during driving it, it is better than neo, savvy, even viva meter panel. Just that myvi lb@lplb meter panel looks nicer.
pak dollah dengki ker xboleh beli?
kereta awak dah servis belum?bila last hantar cuci kereta?
nak menyembur xtentu pasal.
Tara baca punya orang.
Kalau xde keje, diam2 duduk rumah tido…
http://www.toyota.co.th/newweb/lite/product-detail.php?model=camry&opt=grades
As you see here the cheapest camry is 1224 000 bath, which is around 124 000 ringgit. Please get your facts right.
for me, this is the best proton so far.. test drive already, a lot of improvement i can say. good job proton!! i’m gonna promote this exora bold to my friends :) for me, currently i hv the saga fl n it is ok, no problem at all :)
Talk good a lot, promote only to your friend, sell your Saga FL and book this car! Go support by booking, not talking!
y i need to sell my saga fl? i’ve said oledi that my saga is ok, no problem at all! i’m gonna promote this exora bold to all my friends who need a mpv, big family la. for me this exora bold is the best mpv currently. the worst mpv is innova, i test drive it already.
which part of November’s english confuse Expatriate VN? no wonder got so many thumbs down
just laughing after viewed the comments..FYI vendor like ingress,APM,Sapura Auto etc supply a lot of parts to both p1 & p2…so no need to compare between both of them, so Alza & Exora came from same house..agreed from above statement…maybe different marketing way, P2 better marketing kot..
Yup, youre right Mr RH.
Most of both P1 and P2 parts are produced by the same vendor and most probably will be using the same material spec. The only difference is on the pricing agreement btw both and the vendors. All of us will be suprised if we know what is the actual price aggrement
Among them.
The truth is out there.
So many useless comments!
i mentioned local part made in asean countries, of course they didnt timbang kilo that parts, they have their own calculation on percentage. Then how u calculate % on local contents of local car? I believe u already read most local cars has 90% local contents, so do u think they get the figure by timbang kilo :-).
They have their own way to calculate, n i believe,it is only those involve in it know how to calculate them, not to the public. May be u can asked those who are doing the valuation, customs may be.
I think it is base on parts. For example, if a car consist of 1k parts, so, 40% equivalent of 400 parts. Just assumption, shud ask those who are involve in the area.
My question to u, why u asked on the methodology of calculating the percentage? U dont believe the japs are overcharge us?
I asked this coz u put a lot of exclamation marks on ur last sentence like u disbelieve that u r being overcharge by them. I know, truth hurts.
Top end Honda jazz i vtec ge8899LZ manufacturer cost plus cif at customs cost u rm42652. thats is more expensive than exora auto m-line in singapore cost @ omv. N if u check singapore website n u will find out its omv price for jaz is nearly the same as at customs malaysia.And how much they sale it @ langkawi n in peninsular malaysia?
Anyway, u can download the price from customs website.
I just “wonder only”, because on many occasions, I read and heard in the news about local % this and % that, yet what is defined as “local” remained not clear. Is it local producer produce in Malaysia only can considered as local, whereas if it is produce by MNC or FDI, say NGK plug produce in Malaysia, do it considered as local as well.
Then come ot raw material to make it, do local material is part of requirement for the product to be define as local. Anyway thanks for the explanation.
aku cume bharap melayu2 x tmkn racun2 some chinese yg beriya2 nk proton (produk org melayu) bungkus, mcm2 komen negatif dlemparkn..tiap kali ade je xkena…pastu kalo xde tax automotive, lg ramai org melayu bungkus coz lain2 pngeluar kreta hanya mnggaji 90% chinese utk company golongan profesional company diorg, pkerja2 bwhan melayu…ni smue cara halus chinese nk mnghacurkn melayu..so tax ni scara x langsung mnyelamatkn melayu, come la wahai melayu, wake up la..
P/S : sori pd chinese yg x tlibat…dan pd yg tlibat, cukup2la mnghancurkn&mlaga2kn melayu, kite idup peaceful & harmony k…aku x racist, cume nk kite smue idup bsatu padu…
woii.. aku support proton nothing to do dgn races laaa… no matter proton under melayu ka cina ka india ka.. nowadays we support proton becoz they deserve it.. their product getting better n better…i used to be proton basher masa proton kaya raya sombong zaman 80-90an..
and aku support proton takde kena mengena ng patriotic… i am Pakatan rakyat voter but i support proton…
sila kembangkan otak ko tu
Orang yang racist akan mengkritik dan menyalahkan segala-galanya pada bangsa lain,
manakala orang yang tak racist akan mengkritik bangsanya sendiri supaya lebih maju.
Apa ha dengan kamu, kait kan produk dengan bangsa. Jadi Inspira bagaimana – barangan Melayu ka Jepun?
Yang kau ni mesti jurucakap tauke-tauke keluoq pura-pura ini itu, last-last, kerjasama Alibaba juga!!!!
Proton suck.
Wow….very strong words.
For those who thumbs down, other than test drive, pls kindly open the bonnet.
Also open the bonnet of the cheapest Proton FLX.
Observe the plastic in and around the engine.
Observe the strut holding the bonnet.
There are toooooo many P1 staff/service advisors here. But we welcome them as well as they provided good insight too.
boleh pakai RON95 tak ni. Bisanya enjin turbo guna RON97. Lagi satu, minyak hitam dia mesti pakai fully sintetik ke? Ini yang biasanya dipakai pada enjin turbo kan…
x semestinya turbo guna ron95. kwn sy pakai campro + BOT pakai ron 95. Corolla SEG silver top bole masuk ron 95. yg minyak enjin pun pakai biasa punya (mineral). tp seeloknya memang turbo sekurang2nya semi-sintetik.
wah,,ramai yg komen,tapi brp org dah try drive exora baru ni?
saya sudah ;-)
sokong kereta nasional…sebagai rakyat malaysia, kita patut sokong kereta nasional.. tolong la berubah wahai rakyat malaysia.. ezora will be my second car…
dear mr syoh, please dont call prtn tin milo anymore coz they r not. If u look at prtn current platforms and cars, they score better than old one.
Let me rule out the chronology if u actully forget or ignorance about it. Proton arena, scored 1 star ancap with dual airbags+abs+ebd, still using old wira mitsu platform, waja scored 3 star euroncap with 4 airbags +abs+ebd+esp. Prtn persona@gen2,scored 3 star cncap with dual airbags+abs+ebd, proton s16 aka saga scored a high 3 star ancap only just with dual airbags without abs+ebd.
If u look at that alone, it indicates prtn getting better, for example s16, it can scores 4 star atleast if equip with 4 airbags, abs+ebd, 3 point elr seatbelt for all rear seats, isofix n esp.
S16 already scored 3 stars with only with dual airbags only, already surpass waja, persona@gen2 which are better equip with safety equipments. It means that s16 already has better platform, n need to remind u, s16 platform derived from savvy platform which out at 2005,long time ago. Exora already comeout with better n new platform surpass s16 platform
prtn as tin milo is not relevant anymore, cncap@ancap already used latest(during testing year) and same test procedure as euroncap. Need to remember, euroncap didnt include roll over test which compulsory for gulf countries n if not mistaken us, which prtn new cars including gen2 already past the test at idiada n to be saleable at gulf countries, they need to past the test.
Dont said that people are blind coz u r the one who blind that dont see the improvement in prtn cars. Remember, prtn already said gen2@persona, savvy n blm already @ 3 stars n cap, n they dont bs, it is proven in cncap n ancap test.
I’ve tested them few days ago. Well, i can say that it feels good at the lower rev range(2k RPM to 4k RPM) -can say that its good for normal road driving condition. But when i go into my ‘apparently-race-mood’, i floored the accelerator. I then feel a little dissappointed. I mean, it surges for a while within the lower rpms, and then stays ‘flat’. Its as though the car’s telling you, ‘lets just stay at this pace, we’ve had enough’. Overall, i’d say that its good as a 7seater FAMILY car. (note the word Family in Caps).
What do you guys think?
nama pun mpv, ko nak race mpv buat per? nak race masuk hospital ke ?
i think if u are expecting the pace to shoot more than it currently is, this is not the MPV for you. a more expensive 5008 or C4 picasso or S-Max or Touran, perhaps? i never driven those, so cannot really compare with already-driven this Exora CFE.
Funny how people think that with a turbo engine, the Exora is supposed to be driven hard. Guys, this is a MPV, not a performance saloon. The whole point of the turbo is to increase the power of the 1.6 engine so that it ‘feels’ like a 2.0 without the added cost of road tax & fuel. I took a test drive on the CPS Exora and it felt like the MPV didn’t want to move. I also tested the Exora Bold, and it feels like a totally different machine. At least the engine is responsive and it drives much better.
I stress again the Turbo is not like those ‘Ah-Beng’ bolt that can hiss and blow fire from the exhaust. Please get your expectations correct.
That said, this Exora Bold is very nice indeed. You need to go down to the showroom and take a test drive. Nuff said.
If you’re looking for a performance top speed MPV this is not suitable for you. You may try the Peugeot 5008 or Ford S-Max which I’d tested both which may be liking for you’re needs.
Exora Bold is very affordable MPV with reasonable power plant to drive for a sub RM100k price tag.
5008 and s-max are ugly, exora much better
apapun kalo kereta yang orang kita buat cacatnya banyak sangat -DPU.
macamana pun pengalaman menggunakan 3 biji kereta baru:-
-proton wira ab 1.3 – 2000 to 2005 :-)
-proton waja cps 1.6 – 2006 to 2009 :-(
-honda city e spec 1.5 – 2010 sampai sekarang. :-I
*semua ada masalah. tapi yang terbaik adalah proton wira ab 1.3. & yang paling bermasalah adalah proton waja cps 1.6.
26/12/11 aku dak tengok exora bold, nampak hebat n menarik – kalo sunggoh bagai dikata – alhamdulillah PROTON ada masa depan yang cerah + cemerlang.
26 Dec, saya test drive exora bold di terengganu…melalui jalan2 yg bz….lepas tu saya cuba dgn mendaki di laluan bukit cerong lanjut..yg agak tinggi… sebelum naik bukit berhenti di trafik light…..lampu hijau jer terus pecut….depat saya kereta myvi lagi best >>(kononnya)…depan myvi…toyota wish ( power lagaknya )>>>>berada dilorong kanan……sampai jer di pertengahan bukit…kereta kat depan makin slow….saya tgk line kiri clear terus potong…..kedua2 kereta yg dikatakan HEBAT ( hanya pada nama)….tuan punya wish terkedu tgk saya potong selamber je……turun bukit wish cuba mengejar…tapi sori …makan asap…hehehhe
exora baru tak keluar asap tu bang, makan angin je brader2 tu semua ;-)
pikap exora ni memang terasa. ckp byk pun x guna, hanya org yg dh test drive saja tau
indeed agreed with u.. in fact i’m planning to have a 2nd test drive with longer route.. for those interested in this exora (or any other cars that you might had in your wish list), just go and test drive them.. let the car do the talking.. after all it’s free (i mean the test drive, not the car).. like it then buy it.. if no money just adore it.. dislike it then move on with your life.. no harm done..
as the saying goes.. “seeing is believing”, in this case “driving is believing”..
cheers..
You are joking. I guess you never sit in Wish before.
wish…???laju dari evo ker???
I drove, i sit beside, behind and third row…..sick car.
This reminds me of Ben Bradshaw youtube.. see what he got to say abt “Sick Car”
at 1:16 mins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFwDFRmzD-A&feature=related
hope “Slam” referring to American slang, yo..
Memang dah test drive kat proton centre jalan kuala. Buat pusingan sampai 8 kali keliling pusat servis proton, memang banyak perubahan yang meyakinkan pengguna. Percayalah, dah pandu dan cuba rasai segala apa yang diwartakan dalam paultan.org ini . (TERBUKTI EXORA BOLD DAN PRIME NANTI MPV TERBAIK HARGA DIBAWAH RM100K). Isteri saya yang asyik memuji Grand Livina, Avanza dan Wish terus berubah pandangan dan memuji Exora Bold.
Good job PROTON….nice car….
nasib baik baru beli pesona…
kalo x dah beli Exora….
hehehe….
Punch CVT VT3
http://www.punchpowertrain.com/files/Docs/Products/VT3.pdf
after test drive terus apply loan for exora CFE… now loan approved hv second thought since SA said can get it by Feb 2012… feels like wanna wait until last quarter of 2012… hmmm
Already test drive Exora Bold from MRR2 to Bukit Antarabangsa. Currently owned Wira AT. Fuel guzzler but after 8 years still no major problem. The CFE did not has any problem going uphill even from stop and go. No need to rev the engine. Also test drive the CPS before and decided to wait for new engine. Please test drive the car and see how.
Waiting for more figures for fuel consumption in real… any body have refuel the bold care to share the fuel consumption likes?…
Have seen this request a few times here…….with so many factory staff/sales dept/mkt/tech dept…….nobody will dare to post any figures here.
Looks like the only way to know, is to buy it……….
VVT on intake or discharge or both.
This rapid vehicle needs side air curtains as well.
The comment by others that CVT has replaced the Torque Converter…..dont know leh….auto mag does not show it leh. See 7AT available.
And a Happy New Year : )
the article read…. ‘there’s a Stepped Automatic Transmission (SAT) button that causes the ‘box to emulate a six-speed conventional torque converter AT’. so its basically CVT box with SAT emulation (or something like that)
never heard about 7AT though.
SAT in Flx tried before……….trying hard to emulate.Very very hard. Actually nothing like torque converter feel.
7AT or 8AT is standard 7 or 8 Speed with Torque Converter.
Accord, i thing 5AT if not mistaken.
CVT only 1 beautiful gear system.
For 80k…….those who buy should be quite comfortable with life. Otherwise, the std Exora also ok.
Alza is almost like Daihatsu…….so cannot really compare tech directly.
Less part supplier can be same…..QA spec may not be so.
China can make excellent quality parts, only many customers require for cheapest possible price. So we cannot say, their factory standards are low just like that.
Anyway, either type of vehicle likely to increase your fuel bill.
Depends on your needs most of the time. Some people really need MPVs.
Btw, Exora last row……not exactly same as 2nd row rite…..in this area, I respect the Avanza.
So, when this Bold going to US or Germany or Jpn? make us proud.
agree, did not really feel the different with or without SAT.
i think its fair to say all sub-100k MPV have limited space at third row. its only suitable for children. i drive my brother’s avanza few times, even my younger brother (165++cm) cannot sit there comfortably. if kangkang luas2 then ok la.
during 2nd test drive (Saturday 31st December), i fill in RM20 at esso mydin. meter read +-170km to station. drive to ulu yam (P3), for braking, cornering and accelerating then get back to esso selayang, the meter read +-130km t station. i think its reasonable since i rev the CFE engine most of the time (not all time) during test drive. NVH is excellent, because when i wait for traffic light, a rapidkl bus pass beside me and the sound is minimal (if i didn’t turn right, may be did not realize the bus was there).
pretty convinced with the performance and booked a white Exora CFE straight after arrived at showroom. just looking for lowest interest now.
btw, anybody know lowest interest rate for this exora? salesman said maybank offered lowest 2.88%. still keeping my options open now…
Is it means that RM 20 refuel, can bring this beast to how many km? From your statement, you did not mention clearly, sorry for asking..
From what I understand it can bring the car from Esso near mydin to Ulu Yam, and back, and how many fuel did it sip?
if i calculate directly;
RM20=170km
means that for RM10, this cfe can go to (170/2) = 85km
arrive at showroom = 130km
so this beast sip RMx where x = (40/170) x RM20 = RM4.70.
i never calculate before, but now i notice the FC is very good. again, i have to assume the fuel gauge reading is correct. electronic device should have around 10% differences, so the FC should be around RM5. if i drove like that with my 4G18 Waja, for sure telan RM10 at least. and my waja is manual tranny!
thanks for asking again, if not i did not even bother to calculate in details. so this should be another plus point for exora cfe.
Btw, was there any fuel before you started to refill.
Or rather was there any distance left in the tank or reserve tank.
oligopoli,
how much u paid for the booking? is it ready stock or need to wait how many months?
i asked for 2012 model, so the soonest i can get is after CNY. if can accept 2011, can get exora this month. booking is RM500.
And i thought this vehicle comes with Fuel Consumption indicator.
Depends on your load.
Of course, if 1 person can fly like the wind.
With 5 adults and luggage, balik kg style……maybe more noise, less wind. ha ha ha
CVT needs gentle car….this tech from mr punch only a few mths here…..will know after the coming balik kampung rush, see how it survives in traffic crawls.
Lagi tuuuuuurbo lagi…..btw, even decades ago, 20W50 engine oil also suitable for turbo engines….depends how you want to pamper the engine.
Believe me, it make a difference if you intend to push fast and heavy loads.
A great effort by Proton. This should have been the 1st Exora on the mkt.
i tested with 3 adult (myself and friend at front row, salesman at 2nd row) and my 2 daughters (5 and 6 yrs-old) at 3rd row (they sleep all the way during test drive, by the way, first 10 minutes discounted). total load i’d say around 260kg, since all adult weight at 80++kg. from showroom to sg tua (before get to ulu yam), stuck in traffic jam (got pasar there). so i drive gently, no rush. pedal to metal only after sg tua to ulu yam P3.
agree with u, this should be the first exora in the market. proton shouldn’t be thinking about exora with CPS at the first place. but i knew people who is very satisfied with their exora CPS. rambut sama hitam, kaki pijak pedal lain-lain, i suppose ;-)
Exora Bold Fuel Consumption:
2 months of usage after first service shows 14L/100km to 17L/100km, on mainly city driving (RM0.27 to RM0.32 per km on RON95).
I’m sure the traffic jams are not helping the figure.
you wan everything in the world to be in this car leh…walla…
Happy New Year to all :)
Wow wow wow….lots of comments. Am still torn between Alza and Exora. Still can’t made up my mind.
test drive both model then only the decision will come by itself ;-)
I’ve test driven the Bold :) wicked. I guess that I will choose Bold afterall :D I need something this big and within budget to ferry my whole 7 big sized family.
I’ve test driven the Bold this morning :) I guess that I’ll proceed with it :D not much choices of color. White looks nice but, would need lots of effort to maintain.
Go for EXORA..good value for money!
Paul,
Can you add a “One Year Later” (or six months later) review of all cars that you review? At least for Perodua/Proton only because the first impressions are not entirely accurate. It would be nice if some buyers would be able to know if it’s worth buying a certain car model after other people have bought it and used it thoroughly. Then we’ll know if the power windows are faulty, or some unwanted sounds are persistently coming out from a certain part of the car, etc. etc.
Just a thought.
my office mate exora has no power window problem so far since bought new 2 years ago. the only problem with exora is underpower. but she and her husband is very easy type of driver so they feel happy with their exora.
i think later generation proton has no power window issue. my brother drive persona (and so 2 of my office mate), none of them complaining about the power window. perhaps somebody else can verify/correct me on this.
i’v test driven also this new Exora Bold, yes it’s superb!
i love the exterior look and interior wow the leather seat look expensive,dashbord trim look better then before,steering wheel with leather wrap feel solid and for sure the cvt gear box feel like no gear change and the brake system really grip..and the err.. what more can i say? err..reverse camera appear at the rear view mirror (like kia forte) really satisfied with the proton product nowadays and err.. err.. hayya i really fall in love lar..
I have a Q..I’ve driven an exora before (From car rental) and test driven the new Bold. Seems like they don’t have a front vent blower for front mirror (u know the one with triangle like symbol). Weirdly there is a blower vent there :D They do have them for the back but not the front. I had to turn on the AC on full blast to ensure it doesn’t fog ( it was raining heavily at the time).
I think u meant the “defrost switch” for the front windscreen. Based on the center console pic given above, that switch is indeed is missing.
Proton, why is this important switch (esp used when driving under heavy rain where the windscreen tends to be foggy & visibility is dangerously reduced) missing from the air-cond control panel? Nobody is going to blast the A/C in full during a heavy and cold rain. Is this intentional on your part to cut cost? Even my old P2 Kenari has one.
Not a basher here. In fact thinking of getting this one within this year. But just want to know why. Perhaps Paultan’s team could us help get a direct explanation from Proton. Danny, any idea why is switch is missing?
Ya ya ya correct correct, “defrost switch”, sorry la tak tau nak panggil apa. Just imagine driving all the way from Kuantan to Putrajaya, ferrying 7 people in a foggy condition. It was the 22/12/11, really super duper heavy rain on highway (most other cars on the road pasang emergency lights cos can’t see the road). While I have to endure the AC coldness, semata – mata x nak cermin jadi foggy. Even our family old proton iswara, kancil and viva got that “defrost switch” function. Takkanlah mahal sangat kot… Bold kan baru..harga pun baru… :D
A scene in PROTON’s quality dept:
Bodykit – checked.
Colour – checked.
Tyre Size – checked.
Engine Upgrade – checked.
Leather seats – checked.
Meter Panel –
Meter Panel ?
Meter Panel ??
METER PANEL ????
dush! dush! (tepuk dahi) Haiiyya Laura Mitchell u say don’t have a front vent blower for front mirror? actually it’s not a common prob,i think just u only 1 person in M’sia use this blower system for front mirror,anyway u can alternative use ext blower put into socket then blowing to the front mirror hahaha!! alamak sorry just make a joke dont angry haarr.. ha ha xiao
Walaugabaimanapunyer adoiyaii every user will check out the ext and int of the car, FC, built quality, comfort, handling and the big question is how about the power of the engine.
waa biang weyy this Exora Bo really got all that!! only me less 50cent of $80k afford to buy it, anybody can tolong me?except Ah Long
except ah long… ha ha… priceless!
For real titan…foggy situation doesn’t bother u at all?….
i think we’ll facing foggy situation coz of unclosed the window when driving in rainy day, and It’s because of the heat glass become cold suddently. (wheather exchange suddently) don’t you Laura mitchell?
saya baru membeli livina 1.8 sebalum h.raya 2011, kecewa sangat2 dgn proton sbb lambat launch exora bold.
2 hari lepas saya pandu uji exo bold, memang teruja..prestasi livina 1.8 bukan tandingannya..kalau steering n dash board material exo seperti livina 1.8 tiada apa lagi nk diceritakan pada livina 1.8..
jika bunyi tikus pd aircondition compressor livina saya lepas tiap2 kali service tak hilang2 (dah complain tapi mcm tak ada apa2 action pun mechanic nissan ni)..alamat raya taun depan torbo pulak ler kito (dapat prime best gak tgh tggu kt show room nk test drive nanti)..
kereta kita beli yg high model tapi indah kabar dari rupa, seat kulit pun dh kalah pada exo bold ni..tapi kalau service centre tan chong motor profesional mcm perodua service sure terubat gak hati tapi kecewa jugak….
To livina keciwa…
I smell something fishy la..
It’s very rare owner of other makers give statement like yours..
Normally, people will feel proud of what they bought, let alone with a 90k plus price tag..
I have driven both and I must say NGL 1.8 is much better..the only downside is the fact that it is smaller..and better plus for EXORA is that it is cheaper…
so, stop using this kind of statement other wise later we might have statement from Wish, and Stream owners who regretted with their buys..
End of!
What’s wrong with regretting your purchase OR saying something against your ride? Just curious… no ill intents attached :)
Becos s2 felt that the 1.8 could not be as bad as said and he smelt a fish somewhere : ) ie. ill intent.
Yup, I also critisize my ride but not to the extent of a direct reference or comparison with another product.
As we know, some of the bloggers here are way too professionally competent to be non Proton staff
Livina mmg ada masalah pd aircond…kawan sy pun sama..
should do some change for back lamp…
i still 15 yrs old..
and i think tht back lamp make exora didnt give too much attraction n of course buyers also..
hope proton think and make the back lamp looks good..
thx^^!
so raydens,
what is your opinion about the meter panel then?
Tested the Bold two days ago and I am to some extend “sold”. Power is immediate (without having to stomp on the accelerator) and not as sluggish as the earlier model. On SAT mode at 130 kmh RPM was below 2500 which I view as amazing and in fast highway speed corners, pliant with a very minimall hint of floatiness at the rear (maybe because it was empty at the back, just my feather weight wife and chubby 1 and 2 year old girls). My only comment to PROTON would be, please consider inserting an auto climate unit (it doesn’t have to be a dual climate zone unit) into this model or at the very least on the PRIME. Manual controls simply look outdated and does not fit well with the modern-ish info display at the tacho (which looks rather Audi-ish – thats a good thing!) and touch screen HU. I don’t think that is to much to ask right? Have this and the Bold/Prime would definitely be a dream purchase for me.
Looking to let go of my saloon and get an MPV. Rondo or Bold? Hmmm…..
Tested the Bold two days ago and I am to some extend “sold”. Power is immediate (without having to stomp on the accelerator) and not as sluggish as the earlier model. On SAT mode at 130 kmh RPM was below 2500 which I view as amazing and in fast highway speed corners, pliant with a very minimall hint of floatiness at the rear (maybe because it was empty at the back, just my feather weight wife and chubby 1 and 2 year old girls). My only comment to PROTON would be, please consider inserting an auto climate unit (it doesn’t have to be a dual climate zone unit) into this model or at the very least on the PRIME. Manual controls simply look outdated and does not fit well with the modern-ish info display at the tacho (which looks rather Audi-ish – thats a good thing!) and touch screen HU. I don’t think that is to much to ask right? Have this and the Bold/Prime would definitely be a dream purchase for me.
Looking to let go of my saloon and get an MPV. Rondo or Bold? Hmmm….. :)
Rondo sounds good, better than the Citra.
But a lot of frens say Kia spare parts expensive?
If this EB can be sold in UK or US then I can say safety is the same but before that, it could be different.
The Rondo’s overall interior looks better sorted and the plastic undeniably better than that of the EB. But in the exterior looks department, EB’s got it hands down though the Rondo does look more solid and sturdy- at least that’s what I think.
The Rondo doesn’t have fancy leather clad seats but that can easily be fixed… So its still a tough choice for me.
hope the engine won’t blow
confirmed! drive home next week…
My parents sold of their 9 years old CRV for this. Taken delivery on Thursday,get to test it on Friday night. Got into the car,adjust my car seat without any hassle. Reverse the car out from the car porch,using the reverse camera. Notice its a bit scary or difficult to understand the ‘size’ of the car . Maybe im just not use to it yet.ended up me reversing looking at the side and back mirror as well. Came out from a first function,it was a little bit of slope,with my parents weight about 60kgs plus 85kgs plus me 80kgs on board. Take a clear look make sure there’s no car,i’ve press on the accelerator. The car shocked me a little bit as the power REALLY ONLY KICKS in at 2000 rpm. Not sure is it the cluster is big,thats why it look like takes some time to reach 2000rpm compare to smaller cluster like my old honda city. Looks like easier to reach 2000rpm.
Reaches a round about,i was on the left lane . The car on my right moves as i follow. I stepped on the accelerator and the whole car didnt really move! I was shocked then i press all the way down about 50% of the accelerator ,and the power started to kicks in at 2000rpm. My parents was shocked as they was ‘pull back’ by the engine’s power. The power kicks in is really fantastic.
Drove on highway to Sg Long from Leisure mall. The high way was pretty empty at that time,so i drove around 120kph. The car became very ‘easy go lucky’ for me to do any sort of pick up. Notice there’s a car driving about 100kph,then i over take it using the middle late(IM SURE THAT TIME THERE WAS NO CAR AT ALL,NO INTENTION OF BEING A RICER) .It goes very smooth and easy.
Driving halfway,notice the SAT was on. No wonder felt a bit strange as i am use to driving a CVT with Honda City. Turn it off,felt getting better. On the way home,my dad ask me to test the power of it. So after the toll,i stepped on the acceleration, and notice myself being tail gate by a White Alphard about 140kph. So i move a side and let him go pass . I follow him all the way till about 170kph,for a few minutes. (ITS ALL SAFE,NO INTENTION OF RACING WITH HIM)
After a few minutes, ofcourse i back down and do does he. But i see from his face,he was shocked and surprise how come a Proton able to chase up with him with no stress at all from behind. Seeing his face was completely satisfy with the help of our Proton beating down high end luxury japs car. The breaking is solid enough to stop this 1.5tonne machine. No problem with braking as the the brake i would say sufficient to stop this machine.
Back home,tested some interesting features such as DVD player,Electronic Fold Window,”Walk me home” safe light( The light will be there for a minute even the engine is off completely). The 2nd row is bit difficult to watch the DVD player,but its acceptable. The sound system consider not bad for a Proton,as we cant compare it with Mark Levinson system from my Dad’s Lexus. Consider better than my City.
Overall,i would said proton really did a good job for building such great engine.Yes,i know the turbo is not from them but somehow its a good job for putting them together. The build quality is consider ‘premium’ as well ,as the door shut is fine. Something i am unhappy is the power window doesnt support automatic UP. :( Other than tat,everything is fine.
Will be looking forward towards Proton. Good Job proton!
Got CRV,City, Lexus, Alphard d expensive van also. There are various types of engine capacities.
Brand new car out from the showroom and it goes what 170km/hr before the 1st service……sure or not.
Does anyone have any idea how many metres it takes to stop from 170km hr.
Anyway, it was a most interesting(entertaining) story amongst all the bickering and stabbing and kicking.
Seriously don’t think low pressure turbo supposed to kick too much and this car is meant for the average family to drive at ease……….speeding, zig zag…..tail gating some more……not a good idea.
It is a reasonably good car but please do count the number of airbags provided. Yes, the driver will survive….the rest….depends on luck in the event it meets a tree.
you meet tree at 100 km/hour, 20 airbag also die lah….
Agree, at 40 km hr, it will make a whole lot of difference : )
yeah.. totally agree with you… it will make whole lots of difference :) to passengers in any car with 2 air bags only
..at 170 km/hr, it takes approximately…err..eternity to stop…or a second to stop provided that there is a back of a lorry in front of u…
..and with that speed, not only 20, even 200 or 2000 airbags onboard, u will surely be turned into dust in a matter of seconds = save cost on funeral (no keranda) for u!
maybe proton should put airbag on the highway, at the tree…at the junction, so 1malaysia selamat
i was also looking forward for that auto UP, but exora don’t have this. one of the weaknesses (minor one).
the turbo only kick in at 2000rpm. i think its ok, but if proton tune it to start at 1500rpm, even better.
turbo unit is not from proton, yes i agree. but the same goes with VW. in fact, VW is the biggest buyer of Borg-Warner turbo unit, so its normal if carmakers buy turbo unit from 3rd party. same goes with gearbox.
i remembered i saw this cfe prototype display engine on one of proton roadshow, they are using borg-warner unit and we can expect a very reliable turbo unless the owner neglected the preventive maintenance, i mean regular maintenance for the engine..
The auto up function for windows is NOT advisable unless it comes with auto reverse function that detects the presence on an object in the window’s path. Just imagine what will happen if small kids are playing with the windows unsupervised and accidentally press the auto up function while sticking their heads out.
Yes,the biggest flaw is that this things sits 7 and i can assure you some owners will push it past that figure……..
Proton should consider a speed limiter.
The airbags…..really need to do better. Many things can cut, this one critical as how many of us really have self-control not to taste the power of a turbo which needs to be revved to be felt?
Untung penting, safety di utamakan : )
Its not only about proton’s turbo.I think even Alphard ,Estima,Elgrand,E250, driving at 170kph also having trouble even with 10 airbags on it
Its all about how we drive,at the right time and the safe place.
The only diff, well, EB will sell in much greater numbers and it has better tuned suspension………and the awesome turbo.
Hi all, remember Exora Bold is an MPV not a car,so the power of this CFE 1.6 with 138hp and 205 Nm is power enough,don’t compare with the car,if you need a great power like a car just wait for the Persona R will appear this year!
Stream@Wish small than EB,but G Livina smallest than EB, Innova with almost same bhp with EB but the roadtax lower than G.Livina and the spacious big than G Livina..
Waa biang weii..Believe me 1 day, more EB will appear with the extra power turbo on the highway as Poton wira nowadays. Malaysian boleh maa, let us see together
waa seyyy yesterday is my 2nd time has tested drive(diffrence company), once i got push the throttle at the straight way it’s defenatly really enjoy with the power. really a good handling and for sure this EB no need to make-up anymore because it’s look good enough.. have to calculate my downpayment right now!
Bila Exora Bold nak dilancarkan secara rasmi…..
peace.. mana-mana kawan yang dah beli tu.. tlg komen la psl mpv ni.. nak tahu camna performance, fc dll.. tq
pegi test drive la bro….sendiri yang tahu performance macamane…..kalau nak tulis best nnti ada je yg cakap tak best….ikut selera masing2….good luck…
tul lah bro, dah test br tau..mmg puas hati
wlaupun isteriku menggilai Mitsubishi Grandis yg mahal itu…tp aku tetap jatuh cinta dengan Exora Bold…entah mengapa aku terpaksa ketepikan Avanza,G-Livina,Stream & Wish recon…well test drive puas hati la dengan prestasi, ad pickup compare to old Exora. Komen: Rekaan steering wajar diperkemaskan, ruang enjin perlu susunan yg tak terlalu berserabut…opps komen mcm home deco plak…
Just pick up my new EB.. So handsome in white colour lorr.. Hehehee..
congrate bro,i love in white paint too..
test drive boleh kejap aje.. kalau kawan yg dah beli tu.. lagi mantap cerita dia…
lagi mantap kalo dpt beli berrr,aku kurg 50sen je nak cukup 80k kehkehkeh..
Danny Tan’s been spot on with his observations. Thanks for the “first impressions” review – perhaps a “full review and comparison with other MPVs” next?
Took delivery of my EB on Monday. It’s been fabulous so far. Some additional observations:
1. When the (radiator?) fan comes on when you are idling, it is very loud from outside the car. It was quite a surprise, wonder if Proton could have fitted a fan that didn’t quite sound so loud. From inside the car, though, the sound is not too bad.
2. For those not used to turbo engines, it may surprise the driver when the radiator fan comes on (for ~2 minutes) after you’ve switched off the ignition and removed the key. Of course, this is already much improved over the “old school” turbo timers.
3. I originally short-listed and test drove the Alza, Nissan GL, etc.. However, I think that Proton was gunning for the Innova with the EB. From external/internal dimensions & weight, to engine outputs (Proton’s graph lists Innova’s outputs as the “competitor”), to the internal layout (e.g. the way the second row seat folds) etc., the similarities are very strong.
4. Innova vs. EB:
EB is better equipped, has more (usable in everyday driving) power/torque, has better ride AND handling, similar interior space, and feels better to drive – don’t like the (lack of) steering feel, though.
Innova has the Toyota brand and its bullet-proof reliability and reputation. A lower idling sound level, (probably) better resale value (you lose less).
The jury’s still out on the fuel economy, though.
Just got mine too… really takes sometime for my right foot to adapt to ‘power hunting’ mode, tekan ‘sikit’ already reach 2k rpm, while in traffic jam just now, i just let the car infront to move away quite a distance first ;p
experienced same thing as No:1, i think its aircond /radiator fan, when it goes ON, walla… you easily get your Bold NOTICED! :) hopefully there is a solution to this. Not really a big issue to me, since inside the car, the sounds level is acceptable.
other than that, ALL superbly nice, it may not be the greatest ride on this planet, but EB easily get the job done, can feel and really enjoy the smoothness of cvt and the torque its need to get moving :)
and learning to enjoy and love the turbo whining sound :) (faced tough time explain it to wifey tho :p)
after reading and commenting from all round of blogs/forum/review etc, the personal experience is as expected.. (unexpected: yeah of course the radiator fan’s sounds)
to those genuinely looking for family ride, go ahead and take a test drive. Test drive as many times as you like, a lots of branch and dealers offering it.. (yeah test drive sampai lebam) :)
perhaps, if time permits i’ll share some more experience after a (few) week(s)….
p/s: calling for more EB owner’s review :)
Hi! Just took delivery of our EB last Saturday. Superb!!!
Hmmmmm, can say a few more sentences pls.
Share with us your 1 wk experience
another crap, i just wonder when the proton can close shop and stop cheating malaysian hard-earn money
Saya baru dapat exora cfe 2hari dulu, nampak gembira, tapi malangnya baru mileage tak sampai 70km exora sy tangki air over heating, rad. fan tak jalan, temometer tunjuk 5bar… ni QC tak cek baik baik …
Hi mr cheong.. Trying hard to write in bahasa mehhh… Hihi… U perodua salesman ke?prrffthh
ye la agak2 la nak kondem pun..owner2 suma dok puji melambung yang ni pulak dok hantam keromo..
I am Cheong too. But mine is OK. Driving it for the past 3 days, mileage now 133km. Orang sama tapi nasib tak sama.
Harap-harap pihak Proton menyediakan spare parts untuk enjin exora CPS ditukar ke CFE Turbo, memandangkan CFE menggunakan enjin yang sama.
kpd En Sham…harap maaf. CPS xdpt tukat ke CFE. Walaupon enjin yg sama tp design block bagi CPS dan CFE adalah berlainan.
CPS hanyalah medification pada Head tp CFE bnyk perubahan pada blok. CPS guna blok IAFM plus tp CFE adalah menggunakan block CFE. terlalu bnyk perbezaan dari segi intake, core plug, blok design. head mugkin sama tp blok adalah lain. So sape2 nak tukar CFE kena tukar guna blok CFE.
senang ckp kena tukar enjin.
Kalau nak tukar enjin CPS jadi CFE bukan setakat pasang turbo saja. Enjin block, cylinder head, crankshaft, piston, conrod semua sudah uprated. Kalau dipakejkan mesti harga pakej haji ni.
i just get my bold last friday… drove from kuantan-sban-kl-sban-kuantan and just reach 1k milage tomorrow will sent for first sevice, so far it’s running & served me well the pick is impressive… except for the fan a little bit noisy from outside… tomorrow will travel kuantan-k.tganu… after service.
Any idea what is the FC?
1k milage = rm150. That is mix normal road n hway. 5adult n 1children. 6heavy beg n stroller. But it depend also style of your driving. So far not regret tred in my vios…
err… you mean +RM150 after you got full tank from SA right? coz ideally, full tank is 55L thats ard RM159.50 already.. takkan once full tank can do 1K KM kot? hehe
Mine is for full tank can goes up to 480km with one more fuel bar to go… but I re-fuel terus.. dun wan to wait till alarming level… so far re-fuel 3 times, as for my case, average full tank can goes up to AVERAGE 460KM-500KM.. but still observing… coz been driving in very mix condition, need to compare after 1st service done… appointment this Wednesday.. :)
Full tank 55L = RM159.50 Ron97?
Isn’t EB compatible for RON95?
my bad.. miscalculated it times 2.9 instead of 1.9.
However, the point i’m try to say is can’t do 1k milleage with one full tank.
So, 55L RON95 = RM104.5
Btw, FC should be figure out by L/KM not RM.
RM that can be converted later.
1k =150rm
150/15=10rm
1000/15=66.66km.
10rm can go 67km. this is soooo good. my ’04 getz, although very good in fits and fittings, fc for 10rm=43km. hope the leakage thingie i read in here just a myth. test drive one unit that day, while adjusting the side mirror, the mirror wont move. end up telling the SA how important customer perception is in marketing.
traded my exora M-line with Bold and received the latter in 2 weeks time from Proton Sect 14 Subang Jaya. Well, needless to comment on comparing other MPV models alike Innova, Alza etc. You will feel the immediate difference of power and good braking point with all round disc brake whick is so important. Go and test drive one if you havent yet. Come back here and comment…….If you got extra cash….go and buy Jap or Continental marque. Then dont compare again with Exora cos that is what i can afford with value for money buy. Cheers.
How much value did they give for your old Exora? How many years old is the car? Any discount/free gift?
Very proud malaysian MPV
Puashati dengan spesifikas i exora ni setanding dengan kereta mewah lain seperti estima.
received my Bold 2days before CNY break, but sadly to inform that it breaks my heart thorough the festive holidays.
right after come out from Juru SC, there was a smoke coming out form engine bay, took back to SC and they panicking sorted it out the same day, i saw them just sprayed some chemicals underneath engines parts. suspected theres an oil leaking.
Next day, made a trip to east coast (over 400km trip) with burning smells in the car.
Managed to get Juru SC to contact East coast SC for recheck my Bold, and i did sent for inspection again, they told me there is a engine oil leaking, when oil drips into hot part (exhaust etc) thats where u get the burning smells. nothing to worry about they say. Hell i must worry, the dipstick level only 3quarter than normal level. After alot of ding dong , i told them that i will sent the car back to Juru SC for them to fix their problem.
26th Jan – took my bold to Juru SC and was diagnosed by Proton experts brought form COE (according to SC Manager) everything is ok, bla bla bla…inspection completed in one day..
27th Jan morning, spotted an oil (quite a spot) underneath the engine and dipstick again at 3quarter…. ring them again, and they ask me to bring the car again for INSPECTION next week..
conclusion – buy proton if u want to live in misery dealing with them…
So how is the car now?
mine also leaking …..
scary conclusion…!!!
ni yg tak syok dengar.. ni..
ala tu perkara biasa,smua kete ada yg prob..btw kete under warranty no need worry about. even merc also got prob..
Yg penting jgn pula ada prob yg xleh di solve,tp smenjak kluaran persona dah jrg2 ada prob truk
my bold also got leaking….found after send to 1k first service…..on the same day i send to SC there is other bold also had same problem oil leaking……those who bought BOLD please check betul2….
my BOLD also leaking….
my Bold also leaking…..
Alhamdulillah
Baru dapat my exora bold hari ni..so far so good..tadi bincang juga dengan SA problem2 yang dihadapi oleh pemilik exora bold..receive mileage 14KM..steering sedikit tak centre bila jalan lurus..kalau bau hangit dia kata biasa sebab enjin baru, lama2 akan hilang..saya pun ada bau sedikit hangit bila mula-mula drive lepas tu bau hilang…harap-harap tak adalah masalah kereta ni..engine leaking kata mana?banyak ke minyak hitam keluar?
Alhamdulillah
Baru dapat my exora bold hari ni..so far so good..ada bincang juga dengan SA problem2 yang dihadapi oleh pemilik exora bold..receive mileage 14KM..steering sedikit tak centre bila jalan lurus..kalau bau hangit dia kata biasa sebab enjin baru, lama2 akan hilang..saya pun ada bau sedikit hangit bila mula-mula drive lepas tu bau hilang…harap-harap tak adalah masalah kereta ni..engine leaking kata mana?banyak ke minyak hitam keluar?
ala..bnyk ke exora bold yg leaking ni? xbest ar cmni…klu small problem xpe ar..huhu, anyway, “proton turbocharged engine”, yeah baby ^^
mine is OK.. just did 1K mileage 1st service…
Spark, so how is your EB? Got any engine oil leaking? i start getting worry about the car already since many EB got engine oil leaking. I book the car last month 22-12-2011, and now i intended to cancel the booking since is not too late to do so. Thanks in advance!
Got NO oil leaking issue with my EB, during the 1st service just change Lub and I just complaint abt the alignment was a bit to the left… and it was fixed…
exora bold has been know to be suffering from engine oil leak.
becarefull to all potential buyers.
this vehicle is not safe as the engine oil leak can lead to engine burn out.
its like drivin acoffin.
alternatively check out the livina.
its value for money.
Why you not suggest the All New Avanza\Rondo\Alza as alternatives?
You selling Livina is it?
:)
Are you Nissan SA? Mind leave your contact number?
ur EB leaking ? hv u check with SC yet? if you want to sell ur EB due to that I hv a buyer.
your sales drop ka?… EB barang baik sure laku…
spark..mind giving u contact no..i wanna buy livina mehh from u…good promotion here….
bro..ada dengar ke enjin kereta baru jenama lain yg engine oil leaking…? baru berangan nak tukar EB.. dah jadi camni.. next buyer pls..
ader.. naza.. lagi macam2 problem. Ko bukak la thread dorang. Lagi mcm2.. Air hilang secara misteri, alternator kong.
Honda accord 2.4 pun problem gak.Gearbox. Lepas 3 tahun mmg problem. Ko tak tahu pasal kawan ko beli second je.,…..
Just did my 1K service on my 2 1/2 week old EB today. NO oil leakages were found – you guys were starting to scare me…
There was a 1st Gen (10 month old) Exora next to mine that was leaking oil, but that was due to the previous service centre over-tightening the oil sump screw until it cracked.
For the above EB owners with oil leakages, what was it due to? Was it just a loose screw/nut somewhere? Or was it due to something more fundamental?
The EB’s still proving to be an excellent ownership experience, so don’t be overtly scared off by the above comments (multiple postings of certain identical comments make it sound worse than it is).
Hi all,
Heard EB also petrol leaking….fill full tank but after few hundred km last bar blinking and fuel icon appear….so scary…..what should i do….can i continue to put my d/p to my SA?…
Mine olso…. put full tank arr… after few hundred Km .. fuel olso gone…. better dont start engine… fuel will be saved. And further more ….better don’t buy anything… money olso saved….
nampaknya protong masih dibelenggu masalah QC/QA..
aku dah sedaya upaya mengubah persepsi aku terhadap tahap kualiti protong..
tp ternyata protong masih di takuk lama..
Just got my EB 2 days ago, Alhamdullillah NO oil leakages detected. Works fine. PROUD!!!
turbo Engin is too lousy for 1-2 min after start engin a while…..
air condo not so cool first 6 min ?
should service every 5K or 1oK?
SAT not function ?
SC also cant this question as this is too new model
any body can answer
Got My exora bold just before CNY.
I am one of the unfortunate owners look like.
After i reach 300 KM suddenly noticed my engine oil start to leak.
Brought to SC but they couldnt identifythe root cause.
They claim may be due to oil over limit.
But i remember checking the oil when received delivery and it was at normal level.
SC not helpfull to identify this issue.
Doesn anyone know whats the root cause?
I am planning to replace off this unit as lately i noticed some black smoke from exhaust.
right now i am damn pissed off awith P1 & its SC. **** P1
baru hantar tadi pagi ke SC my EB…they run 2 hours and said oil leakages from oil filter. last week before send for first service dah ada nampak leakages. 2 oil filter tukar pun leakages lagi??? menyesal beli EB…..argghhh
Mana punya SC? After how many km run?
you should report to consumer tribunal, the few cases involve problematic cars bought (not necessarily p1) and the consumer got compensation, even some got refund (bought cash)..
After much hype, Checked out the EB today at showroom.
Such a big letdown.
Interior looks like a cheap car rather than an MPV.
The drive also was extremely bad with very bad handling of the vehicle.
Make me wonder what kind of reviews the people in here are coming up with.
could all these people be P1 sales guys?
Cause i dont see whats so fantastic of EB compared to Innova/Livina/ect
Common guys stop cheating the public (to proton SA).
Ya lah. How can exora be better than a truck in disguise? Who in their right mind look for handling, ride and comfort when buying an mpv. Paul Tan review said the Exora is the best mpv below 100k. He must be secret potong salesman hor.
different people have different taste buds… it’s your choice anyway…
if your are now driving a luxury car, i would agree with you that this is a “cheap car”.
there are happy and few unhappy (due to some prob) here… in think it’s a fair comment/reviews.
bad handling? lol
this is the funniest joke of the year
yeah it’ s look cheaper than S-Max, S-Max the best everybody should buy S-max… but arghh wrong place should compare S-Max with Wish… wish is cheapo with that kind of price…
Why @ 7pm u post one comment and @ 10pm another 1 comments ..??
7pm ..u said u bought 1 already ….
10pm ..u go for test drive ..
the text format ..almost the same … errmmmm!!!!
hai..saya sudah pun mencuba beberapa MPV seperti livina,alza,rondo,avanza..dan pernah memandu uji wish second dengan harga RM85K….dengan memandu sebanyak 30km pada setiap kereta
setelah memandu uji,saya tetap memilih exora bold cfe,dan sekarang hanya tunggu untuk delivery jer,dengan keluasan,daya tujahan dan kepuasan mmg ada pada exora bold,dan disini ramai jugak yg jenis memburukkan jenama proton,kenapa..adakah mereka nie tak mampu,hanya test drive kemudian komen mengutuk….klu kereta lain problem..tak heboh pun..klu kereta nasional..bunyi sikit dah melenting…lamborghini pun terbabas,terbakar,dan pelbagai masalah lain…tp semua senyap,itulah mentaliti org kita..sepatutnya bangga dengan proton yg sentiasa mengeluarkan enjin baru dan mampu bersaing dgn syarikat lain,usah cakap pasal tork,speed dan sebagainya…MPV bukan untuk laju,lebih kepada keselesaan pada semua penumpang.
Yes, lots of sabotager here, I think they can’t accept the reality of loosing sales as lots of consumer are going for exora premium cvt. For all those sabotager, if make bad comment make sure the fake story logic larr….. Wallauyehh!!!! Confuse larrrrrrr 1st story doesn’t match 2nd story….
Bro ko kerja kat p1 ke?
kalau nak kelentong pun berpada pada la bro.
ade ke patut sampai toyota wish pun ko boleh kata EB lagi baik?
biar betul bro..dosa tipu orang awam macam ni.
kalau setakat livina/innova/avanza…bolehla kata gitu…
material interior sama je dgn wish , cuma wish gelap sikit je
wish jalan all time enjin 2.0, exora cfe bila perlu je, save minyak
torque pun wish tak bole lawan exora cfe
space wise confirm wish kalah dgn exora
3rd rear seat – wish sempit gila, exora 2 org dewasa pun selesa
handling mmg tak leh lawan lotus ride and handling
ada bcm lg, nak kata apa lagi , mmg exora lagi best dr wish
Bold Premium lebih baik dari Toyota Wish tu impossible sangat ke beb?
The Wish is wishy washy lah. Smaller interior and duller drive than the Exora CFE. Toyotas are dull as ditchwater to drive. Takdak driving dynamics langsung.
Kalau member cakap Exora CFE lebih baek dari Pug 5008 atau Ford S-Max itu baru kira kelentong gila.
Apa yg bangga sngt dgn wish la, hapa kebenda lagi….kalau nak beli silakan. xperlu nak kutuk kereta lain. EB dah OK, proton baru 25tahun jgn nak bandingkan dgn toyota. Ubah skit mentaliti tu. Dah try EB? dah bawa? dah baca spec EB?..kena faham dulu baru ckp, jgn la ckp kosong je.
Apa yg aku tgk pemilik dan penyokong EB dah kemukakan bukti test drive, spec, ,material dan mcm2 lg. ada yg dah beli. xdinafikan ada minor problem yg aku rasa xperlu la nak bikin gempak sngt. yg pemilik toyota, p2 yg bangga sngt ni jgn la ckp bagus je, tp kosong. Nak perfect buat kereta sendiri. baru puas hati kot.
Ntah la.. Saya pandu Exora kat highway grik naik turun bukit, dgn 5 org dewasa 2 kanak2, barang penuh siap tong atas bumbung lagi.. wish tak bleh potong pun? apa cerita?
Terima kasih Proton kerana mengeluarkan MPV yang selamat di pandu utk membawa keluarga saya….
Wow … we can see the various comments from both sides of the fence. While some are singing praises of EB, the others are hentaming it like nobody’s business. Well, i’d like to advise everyone to use a little bit of logic when evaluating such comments. No doubts, there are many salesmen of the various makes here.
The claims of widespread leaking engine oil, leaking petrol, poor handling, aircon not cold, etc are to me, don’t make much sense. While not defending the QC of Proton, EB is just not the first car that Proton produces. If they complain about the power-windows, it would make more sense but even so, this problem has since been addressed i believe.
Please refrain from abusing this blog which is meant to provide useful info and NOT for sales & sabo purposes.
Will consider to buy. Technically, this is a good MPV.
well,i’l wait another 1-2 years more to get “correction” of exora bold.then, pasang e-manage.
saya dh memandu hampir 3000 km, so far semua ok jer. amat menakjubkan semasa merentasi jln timur barat naik bukit tinggi2 engine tak mengaum pun rpm dok 2.5k jer, kt highway jgn cerita ler 120km rasa tak laju, cumanya kalau memandu perlahan rpm bawah 1900 kereta mcm malas nk bergerak dan yg paling saya tak suka tentang kereta ni bunyi kipasnya menganggu jiran sebelah nk tidur.. exterior pd saya semua dh ok cuma rasa nk tambah daylight dan cermin yg gantung kt spoiler belakang tu, interior pula kalau lah proton salut part2 plastik tu dgn kulit mcm proton waja rasanya tak ada apa lg nk komen dgn harga 80k..
Hmmm. So far only leaking complaints…..not too bad lah.
If even that lie, might as well lie about more things, so I guess the leak thing is a real problem for some.
First time read a new car having this problem. But I agree, some SC can be really full of excuses some times.No wonder people still buying Alza eventhough we are all know Exora has a stronger n bigger chassis.
Too scared to even consider the EB but the Tuah maybe ok.
Hi.. Last weekend my bold with full loaded people n beg travel from kuantan to seremban to kl to sg siput perak. Then returnd back with used hway and normal road. Its clock round 1500km for the trip start on fri evening and end midnite sunday. We are fully satsfied withmy bold. Fuel just leaked my pocket around rm280. Hahah no need to go to sc but petrostation only… We are happy because this machine performance.
Proton Exora bold memang mengalami masalah dan Proton perlu menyelesaikan masalah ini secepat mungkin .Pembeli mesti berani tanggung risiko kerana warna Elegant Brown menjadi pilihan ramai dan terpaksa menunggu lama iaitu 1 ke 2 bulan…
wow. speechless aku baca you punya cerita / pendapat / cadangan / kisah hidup? susah nak faham.
Just got my bold premium cvt today, just to let you all know so far so good, had ask SA check whether got engine oil leaking and answer is no… :) only steering wheel a little bit to the left…… The rest BEST
Got my bold last week. I had oil leakage problem the second day itself. Brought to SC and they fix it. Apparently the screw is cracked?That i cant understandbut so far so good only things is radiator fan too loud.
Cracked screw….wow…….that is one solid piece of metal!
More like run out of excuses.
Maybe scew thread on tank got problem? uneven.
That’s why all non-rectified vehicles leaking and some with sealants, leak back again after some time.
If this is a new car and people already start looking at leaks, it will be an interesting ownership experience.
Even Saga don’t have this problem after YEARS of abuse.
Hi,
Anyone know is Exora Bold CFE come with ‘ Anti Rust’ ?
My Exora Bold undercarriage and mud guard (feeder) is all body colour, not Black anti rust colour.
Hi,
Does Exora Bold CFE come with Anti Rust?
My Exora Bold undercarriage and mud guard is all body colour NOT the Anti rust black colour.
I had Waja Premium and Inspira 2.0P. My wife just received her Exora Bold before CNY 2012. Too bad, Third day of CNY I drove this car from Muar to KL and by the time leaving my KL house, I discovered gear oil leak.
Send back to Muar EON service center and found out that there are few not properly tighten screws for gear oil container. They remedied the issue by tightening the screws. No oil leak for a moment.
I sent the Exora Bold for 1000km service before heading to KL again. The foreman at Muar EON service center confirmed no gear oil leak… very sure…
Yet the gear oil leak recurs after KL and Muar trip again… Proton Proton…. What the fuck are you doing? If you care about your loyal supporter, give me a solution that can solve this oil leak once and for all.
Wow gear oil also leaking leh. Gd luck to the owners. I go for livina any time if like this.
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HaHahahaha…. I’ve been using lot’s of car brands but for Proton Car with FEW GEAR OIL CONTAINER SCREW LOOSE???? Turbo unit will have problem????
There must be something wrong with the writer not the car cause both the CVT unit and Turbo unit is the same unit produced for lots of other car brand in the World and both unit is NOT produced by PROTON.
Judge wisely not believe blindly. Anyway it’s your money and your taste.
Precisely the point.Both CVT and turbo are not produced by proton.These r sourced externally,turbo is bolt on.However proper R&D must be there to c if the proton produced engine and related drive train will be able to handle the increased power in the long run.
This is a big question,cos who knows wat will happen down the road.Do u want to be the 1st to own this car and find out the answer for yourself?
Well, I’m the first user of BLM 1.6L manual and already clocked 146000Km to date. This is the Car that I have LANYAK KAW-KAW and no mode being done to this except the Exaust system, Air Filter and Spark plug. Not to mentioned regular service of 10000Km intervals. Quite a distance for 30 month old.
The engine used in CFE is almost identical to Campro IAFM 1.6 with upgraded material for strength and durability. Plus with Punch Power train and Borg Warner set at only 0.7 bar, It’s a calculated upgrading. Even with normal 1.6L Campro fitted with BOT and 1.0 Bar, this engine can still survive.
The problem with Proton is just the SC. Other parts, you get what you pay. So far, based on my expenses for this car vs distance, I just spent not more than 60 cents per Km. I ABUSE the car and yet it still survive. Believe me, I won’t be abusing the car if it’s other than Proton (but almost all of them with more than 200000km distance each)
Easy to say, if you don’t trust Proton. DON’T buy it. For me, it’s not trust but I JUST WANT TO BUY IT AND USE IT. That’s all.
For your info the turbo is not bolt on… its really a turbo engine develop by lotus. 70% are new & not modified campro CPS. next time pls read before you comment.. stupid toyota salesman…
Talking about expertise in turbo, Xman below has provided an interesting link, http://www.lotuscars.com/engineering/en/proactive-issue43 . Read it to get a better understanding.
Medic. Please allow me to give you an example that you can better relate to. A Mee Goreng hawker does not need to produce his own tomato Ketchup. He simply buy that from outside supplier, mix it up with his own Mee and come up with his own distinctive Mee Goreng.
Likewise, almost all car manufacturer including VW and Toyota do not make their own turbo charger. They, like the Mee Goreng hawker, buy from outside turbo charger supplier the turbo charger to be bolt onto their own engine and walla, you got a turbo charged engine.
Apa la deh……comparing P1 with Mi Goreng……what a joke.
Might as well add,the gas tank, wok and kedai pun bukan dia buat punye.
Mcm senang aje, bolt here n there…harlo…kena work together with tech partner lah.
Turbo…no big deal….which bas ekspres tak ada device advance ini…ha ha ha
hi ….
need help.. what movie formats on a USB drive can be read by the DVD player ? avi, mkv, mp4 …??? tried some with .avi….. it says unknown format.
thanks …..
hi,
anyone knows what movie format from USB drive can be read by the DVD player?…tried some with .avi… it says format unknown…..
thanks
:)
kalau dah tak suka proton buat apa nak sibuk kat sini… tak cerdik!
CFE was a Lotus engineered project. Check out the details in the Lotus engineering
magazine issue 43. (Pg 42)
http://www.lotuscars.com/engineering/en/proactive-issue43.
Any updates from those with oil leak problems ? what is the reason for the leakage ?
Thanks for the link.
Still no leaks on mine. Running fabulously.
My EB also in excellent condition. So far so good.BEST!
Cant wait to trade in my vios for exora bold.
Hehehe..
ape kisah…org comment kasi down EB ke ape….yg nak guna,yg nak bayar, si owner bukan org yg berckp dok kutuk…..terpulang pada citarasa sendiri….4 me…no problem with my EB so far…..puas hati je bawa…….n bangga proton bleh kluar kan EB…tp rasanya klu yg kluarkan EB ni toyota ke, nissan ke, rasanya kompom xde yg berbunyi kot….hahahahah
sapa nak beli brand n bangga bw keta import dipersilakan , citarasa masing2….apa pun EB is a excellent mpv with the price…..daaaaa
I am not a fan for P1 but brought a EB for my wife as a mpv to carry my babies around. Received on 8/2 and go for 1k service at jb branch. Nothing much to complaint except my EB got some noise when start the engine. Some tek..tek.. Sound can be heard after passing though a bum. Proton have yet to resolve the problems, they need some instruction from hq.
Performance wise you may be suprise! The acceleration from 100-200kph is quick and had proven it in highway after smoking the following cars @ 140-200kph.
Camry 2.0
Wish 1.8
Estima 2.4 acr 30
Honda odysey
Using cvt mode 3000rpm go for 140kph, 4000rpm go for 180kph. And the engine is willing to go further if you press deeper.
Suprisely stable at high speed.
To be fair, this a nice mpv with affordable price u can buy in malaysia. I believe the incoming p3 should be interesting:-)
bro, for the ‘tek…tek ‘ sound when start, need to go to SC and replace the vvt valve… some Bold owner already done that ,,. it’s due to assembly line prob maybe…QC le ..refer here – http://malaysianbikers.com.my/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=4cc4ccd65eb4fdbf30d5d76f219478a1&topic=82828.240
there are few issues regarding EB, which none i experienced myself during my almost a month stint. maybe i’m a few lucky customer. anyway, try join exora club and u may find the solution there. some members already have this, oil leaking (engine and CVT gbox) and some other issues.
wonder how BNM new ruling on car loans this year affect the EB sales.. it’s a pity if the demand is there but the sales is turned down by stricter rules imposed by BNM.. gov should reduce the tax to balance the effect of this new rules..
I dont agree. Get the manufacturer to reduce the price so that people dont need to get a higher loan. Dont blame BNM. Its ruling is to ensure we dont repeat the mistakes that other countries (US) did in 2008 where people were given loans / cc although they could not afford to pay back. The solution here is for the car manufacturers to bring down their prices and gov to reduce tax on vehicle. An EB priced much lower should be the anwser.
yes indeed… absolutely agree with u kitkong
At the end, the outcome is tax reduce for local and increase for foreign vehicle. No price reduction from manufacturer.
Thanks rapidshifter. Will sent back to them for fine tunning @ 5k service.
dah bayar dp for this car…plet pun sudah booking…puashati bila test drive on the road dan highway…Hopefully it will serve my family better just like my x trail…
i receive my new exora bold on 29/02/2012..till now, alhamdulillah no problem with mine..mula2 je nak run keta tu ada slow ckit tp sekejap je lepas tu berdesup laju..keta masih run setakat 80-90km/jam, maklumlah masih dalam pantang.. masa potong pn sedap je jln, tu baru tekan minyak ckit ja..msh ada 300++km lagi nak p 1st service,x sabar la nk test keta lepas ni..
just booked mine.. color silver…. cant wait…. SA said within 2 to 3 weeks to deliver.
loan approved muamalat gave 2.7% for 9 yrs.
Moving from stationary and not really pressing the accelerator hard, there are lots of hum and groan from the gearbox. All bold like that?
my one is the same too. And, how about your fuel consuption. Mine one crazy, brand new at 15L/km
is it 15L/km or 15L/100km? there are two info available in the meter.. one is average fc (afc) and other one is instantaneous fc (ifc).. ifc usually give higher reading than afc..
usually fc reading will get better after complete break-in period ie after 1k service.. for now may be u wanna try using this simple method to compare if the meter giving u correct reading or not..
after filling your fuel until full tank (approx. 55L), immediately clock in your distance in the meter’s odo.. drive until almost empty (when fuel refill light start blinking or the distance-to-empty not giving any figures anymore) then fill up again until full tank.. take the distance reading eg 600km minus the km you got from dte reading just before refueling.. then calculate the L/100km.. repeat the procedure for another few cycles of refueling (more is better) to get a good calculation on your average fc.. this will give you some insights on your actual fc against the one you got from the meter..
My EB FC is 11.5L/100km
Do you guys get any discount for Exora Bold Premium? How much the discount is?
RM0 to RM1,000 depending on how generous the sales person is.
sent my EB for 1st 1000km service yesterday.
Problem #1 Driver seat jerk forward every time break is apply. Service center (SC) said have to refer to the vendor and will call me. Well have to wait and see how efficient they are.
Problem #2 Engine jerk badly upon acceleration after stopping at traffic light. SC action was “reset CVT system”. Upon driving home from SC same problem occurred.
Problem #3 Car only ready 5:40pm. Drove home to check and Realize that the plastic packet of tools was ripped off and upon checking with manual book, 2 items were missing, a spanner and a plier. Reported to SC Mutiara Damansara this morning by making 5 calls and yet to have answer.
any one has idea what is the appropriate pressure level for exora tyres(kpa)? the sticker shows 210kpa but the tyres look kinda flat a bit
why the engine is so loud like diesel engine. arghhh…. macam lori… wht shoul i do… yet to 1000km service… now clock 300 km for 4 days… and there is grrrrrr… groooo.. sound coming out from dash board… argh… tension…..
Zi, wht’s the service technician told u whn u send the car for service n complains? Did they told u “Kereta Proton memang itu macam” Tht’s the answer I get whn I send my Persona to the Millennium Center in Subang! Tht was very very embarrassing! Dunno if Proton train their staffs to have a Global mind before launching the Global Car of Proton .. or else it’s just another disaster!
All,
My EB so far OK…worth for price….anyhow, one thing make me feel annoying…bila speed dah mula slow down…gearbox akan kuarkan bunyi ..”ziiing”….tanda gear rendah…tapi rasa cam bunyinye kuat sangt….u all ada facing the same bunyi tak?
bold saya bila slow down ada bunyi “woooo”….macam kapal terbang yang slow down..mungkin dari cvt kot..
BoldCFE…kuat x bunyi “Wooo @ziiiing” tue?….saya ada ty jg SC…anyhow..dia kata “mungkin” dari CVT gak..
Read the latest review of Preve….bunyi dar CVT dr keta Prive x berbunyi sgt after diaorag improve on that…so,i’m wonder why they not improve it for EB on the 1st place?
ada juga dengan exora saya. Mungkin bunyi turbo slow down
Suddenly my car breakdown after 50 meter left my working place last saturday..started with jerk getting through the hill, then shut down..try to start again but failed..foreman also failed to fix it, send car to the SC in the middle of the night on sunday by on tow were send by the insurance panel.
Yesterday the car was fix,explain that the computer problem..they just setting it back..any problem from the other owner of exora bold CFE like this?..almost 2 month used only,already get problem..If the problem occur again after this, as a consumer i feel lose.
Hope not to happen again after this..
It jerked before during driving or idle? Or this is the first time it jerked and then failed on the spot?
it’s occur during driving get through the hill and it was 1st time after nearly 2 month i used it..definitely failed on the spot
Antara kuantiti dengan kualiti…fikiarlah sendiri
mau murah… mau bagus sendiri bikin lah…….
hari buruh 2012 dapat exora prime..kerusi driver bergerak kedepan bila brek..normal ko..sc kat bndr tn razak kata normal….bold/prime macam ni ko?
i had the same problem. send it back to SC to get it fix. Mine was fixed after a few follow up with SC. Reason is that they need to get their vendor to fix it.
just nk tnya mana lagi better…Innova or exora
Innova dgn exora mana lagi ok…?
Innova dgn exora mana yg bagus?
kalau nak banding $ memanglah EB, kalau nak quality tentulah pilih innova.
i punya EB depan lampu kiri dah masuk air, fog light x yala dan itu power window kalau dah turun x boleh naik atau, dah naik x boleh turun. ….errrr…pening
Fog light x nyala, boleh tukar bulb. Power window rosak, no problem, under 10-year warranty. Lampu masuk air? Sorry, memang pening ni.
Btw, to be fair, lampu masuk air happens to other makes as well. And it seems to me that your luck is really down as you’ve been complaining since day 1.
date 21/05/2012
Place..Jalan Bangsat depan TNB
Time …2pm
Model Exora Prime
Tyre gua meletup…..GT Radial ni ok ke..pls comment
Champiro… lol
I had 4 in my Kenari last time. Bengkak when I cruise on highway. Now using P7 for my exora, very good
smalam pun tyre belakang meletup jugak dkat highway..mcm tkde kualiti je champiro ni..kalau berduit better tukar lain secepat mungkin
This EB comes with air con problem. Compressor cut on and off fast. The air con tak sejuk.
After 6 months owning the EXORA BOLD CFE:
1. Claim 1 of the rear light due to Red LED not function
2. Adjusted the shift lock due to loosen
3. Pipe from radiator to turbo burst when driving. The pipe is about 7 inches long. Have to wait 1 week to get the pipe replace.
4. Front disc brake faulty causes the brake pad worn out at 10,000 KM mileage. Have to wait 3 weeks to get the replacement
5. left side mirror vibrating when cruise on highway. Have to wait for 1 month to get the replacement
6. Reverse camera malfunction due to wire connection problem
This Exora Bold is hot item!.. The waiting period is getting longer day by day!.. Some waited 4-5 months or even longer to get their exora bold.
I heard Proton is increasing production for exora to keep up with the demand.
My EB just past 10000km mark, nothing much problem. No oil leaked, no rattling sound. My only problem is my EB got knocking sound when i ran on bumpers on < 40kmh. Sounds like something loose in absorber area. Went to SC 3 times, they tighten up all the all the nuts under my car n they said nothing problem. But, that knock sound still there. Came from below the car. Need help.
Try to adjust the disc pad. Due to wear and tare, there will gap between the pad and the disc.
11/7/2012 dapat EB (EB colour too). So far, (milage towards 300km) no problem. Nothing leaking yet. Hopefully it will continue like this, insyaAllah…
And I’m satisfied.
lambat exora bold.3 bulan x dpt2.n jual keta ke tak
sorry if i may misread somewhere but what is “L” stands for? i know it turn the EB to sort of like sports mode but what does that “L” means?
**thinking of getting this EB next year
how is latest batch of exora bold ??
still with OVC prob ?
Jerking when ‘R’ gear and then engine die off ?
Aircond on/off ?
radio transmission prob when reverse ??
Still torn between livina and exora ….
Paul tan and crew ,
why not a shoot out between exora vs livina vs innova vs rondo vs cherry (all sub 100k MPV)
Thanks.
My EB first 1k service yesterday. engine feels lighter, smoother & quieter then b4. so syiok to drive. no problem so far, hopefully for years to come.
I bought EB premium three weeks ago. Yesterday, I went to Cameron Highland. My engine got problem. It have been stopped three times when climbing the hill and two times when I want to park my car. Luckily I can restart my engine. But why this thing happened, for the new car? Is there anyone out there face the same problem?
Please go to Service Centre ASAP and tell your problem.. your problem actually will have jerking on slow traffic dan engine off when naik cameron or reverse… they will reflash ECU to better version to solve the issue
guys and gals, I’m planning to own EB CFE Premium. what’s your comments and advice? I hope to make good and wise decision for me and family. thanks :)
Hi Don. I just test drive EXORA BOLD CFE yesterday.
My route was Kota Kinabalu – Ranau road, a bit like KL – Cameron via Tapah. Here is my personal opinion.
Plus:
Space – spacious.
Price – value for money.
Minus:
Ride – Bumpy, my rear passenger managed to throw up!
Engine – A lots of engine braking when going downhill, at one time, the RPM touch 4k when cruising straight downhill, meaning high fuel consumption. A normal automatic will let the engine cruise at 2K and up to the driver to use engine braking.
Power – Flat power between RPM 2K and 4K, the engine will not drop gear to give power boost as in normal automatic transmission.
Fuel consumption – I recorded RM50 for 210 km for this route. Need to compare with other cars on the same route to get better comparison.
Summary. All depends on your budget. Livina is a direct competitor if you dont care about size. I would suggest you test drive boths. Then you can make direct comparison. As of me, I will book for Livina test drive soonest to get direct comparison.
TQ
hi says,
thanx for the information sharing.
I’m planning to test drive on sunday.
please do share your comments on livina too.
thanx again :)
Hi Don, It’s me again.
Well, I managed to borrow a friend’s LIVINA 1.6A for a ride. Sadly I only managed it in KL!
Anyway, I want to share with you of my ride from Temerloh to Bandar Baru Bangi via LPT and KARAK highway. The route might offer a bit of resemblance on the mountainous nature of the road in RANAU.
As compared to BOLD, LIVINA offer more aggresive style of handling with lesser body roll and less bumpy which give you more confidence at speed higher than 120kmh. Going downhill is also smoother with no engine braking at all. The car cruise downhill with no annoying revving of the engine. The engine will easily drop a gear if u want more power going uphill (BOLD will not, even if you hit 5K RPM).
As for the FC, my odometer read 193.3km with 14.4 ltr of petrol. Translate it, I got 7.4 ltr/100km.
Compare this to my previous KK RANAU drive, the BOLD gives 13.6 ltr/100 km.
There you go.
LIVINA plus:
Smoother engine
No engine braking when going downhill
Better handling
Better FC
Minus:
Space
Price
This is my direct experience driving both cars. I am not a car expert but if I were to buy an MPV lesser than 100k with better after sales service, I will definitely go for LIVINA.
TQ
i just got my exora3 days ago and it has been an awesome experience…just nicely suited for a family man like me who needed a bit of a ‘kick’ once in a while. the torque at 2000rpm is just intoxicating….im having problem getting a good mileage just because ive been playing around with the throttle so much! 3 days and ive already covered 750km…perhaps i should call the SC tomorrow for my 1st service! *the engine needs to be bit more refined….i think its damn too loud especially when in the parking lot…otherwise no complaint whatsoever
aku teman member aku pi test drive exora bold kat kulim ari tuh..kita kluar time rehat ..memang puas hati laa..walaupun aku cuma passenger..dia punya speed…kawan aku dah dapat 2 minggu dah dia punya exora bold…skang aku tgh tunggu bank loan…aku pun amik satu la..mana tahan bro….performance + harga memang berbaloi2…
Been using mine for about 2 months: a very satisfied customer so far. My kids love it!
i am the new member of exora bold owner. just recently got my EB on 30 December 2013. You know what? For the december edition proton has removed all the unnecessary item like door visor, gps, boot organiser and first aid kit and gave back another 4k discount to customer. so net price for my EB is just 76k. wow..you can spot the different between EB december edition by looking at the word TURBO at the back instead of CFE. gila stering la sekarang..hahaha.
The Exora Bold is not a competitor of NA 2.0 MPVs,Its more like rival for Wish and Stream 1.8.Its only a single low pressure turbo that works well within 2000-4500rpm range.I agree the Punch CVT isnt suitable for the turbo engine.Proton should go for JATCO CVT that can withstand up to 250nm of torque.Anyway cant argue much cause its what you pay what you get.I tried hauling full loads of baggage and 7 peoples inside from JB-Taiping with an average of 115-140kmh without any problems.Very comfy especially the 2 kids behind.Setback is wholely on the CVT which quite whining at times.I ever tried till 190kmh and didnt have the guts to go beyond that.For the price i give 7/10.To keep the car in prestige condition,dont skip the periodic maintenance and for belting i am using Gates brand and its last from 2013 till now.I am using Torco or Petronas 5000.Works fine till now.
i bought proton exora bold premium (auto)12jan2016 , 1st 3 months dah ada masalah steering oil leakage. october 2017 i noticed some jerking/chirping sound in my engine and gear shifting not so smooth. last friday gear reverse dah rosak. tak boleh undur. 71711 km done. since this is turbo engine, cost more to repair. warranty tarak sbb i tak servis di proton servis. poor me. no more proton for me.
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