DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions

It’s the hottest model of the moment, and the most talked about for sure. It’s also the first recipient of Proton’s long awaited turbocharged engine, the Campro Charged Fuel Efficiency (CFE). It’s the refreshed Exora, the Exora Bold.

After countless sightings, both clothed and naked, Proton finally officially unveiled the Exora Bold and the range topping Exora Prime last Thursday. With an aggressive facelift and a new powertrain that’s so much more appealing on paper, the Exora is making a strong case to be the best MPV under RM100k.

We’ve driven it already – first impressions and full gallery after the jump.

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions

Here’s a refresher on how the refreshed MPV stacks up. The Exora Bold wears a new face that’s well, bolder and more aggressive, mainly due to the “fanged” lower bumper. The headlamps have darkened housings and the elaborate rear lights have a “tinted” look as well.

There’s a subtle bodykit, including a rear diffuser style piece (painted black) and larger 16-inch wheels. The latter plays a big part in the sportier image and its double-spoke design is much better than the plain old one. I quite like this new Elegant Brown hue, too. It looks rather handsome for a big box, and quite premium relative to price point rivals.

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions

Kit-wise, the Premium CVT is well stocked. Two-tone leather seats with matching door cards, leather-wrapped steering, fog lamps, electric foldable wing mirrors, cruise control and reverse camera with rearview mirror LCD are standard. The latter is useful and similar to the system seen in the Kia Forte 6-Speed. The centre stack, which houses a Clarion head unit with Bluetooth and AUX, is finished with “liquid silver” trim. Wood is reserved for the six-seater Prime.

As usual for the Exora, there’s an overhead DVD player (also accepts USB and SD cards) with flip out LCD screen and roof air con vents for every row. A/C fan speed for the rear section can be independently controlled.

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions

The highlight is of course the CFE engine, which is the latest iteration of Proton’s Campro. Following the downsizing method of a forced-fed smaller capacity engine in place of a say, 2.0L NA unit, the CFE puts out 138 hp and 205 Nm, healthy figures by any measure. By the way, CFE did not start life as a Campro CPS, but is massively reworked from the original Campro engine.

Besides the soft turbocharger (0.75 bar), there’s intake VVT (first in the Campro series, not to be confused with CPS, which is more of a valve lift system) and a “torque-based” 32-bit ECU unique to the CFE. On a whole, engineers say that 70% of engine components are new and unique to the CFE. On the spec sheet, you’ll notice a shorter stroke and lower compression ratio (8.9 instead of 10). Look at the diagram for the rest of the changes.

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions
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Paired to the Punch sourced continuously variable transmission (CVT), 0-100 km/h is done in 11.3 seconds, not 13.3 seconds as previously thought. We now have a hard copy of the brochure, which lists the faster time. The 13.3 figure came from the leaked scan sent to us by a reader, which is an older and not-finalised version of the brochure. Quoted top speed is 185 km/h and fuel consumption at a constant 90 km/h is 7.8 litres per 100 km.

By the way, the CVT unit used here is not identical to the one used in the Saga FLX. The one here (internal code CVT3) comes with a higher torque rating (220 Nm instead of 186 Nm) and the oil cooler is also more powerful (12.5 kW instead of 10 kW) to cope with the higher load. Also, Proton will only use the original CVT fluid (ExxonMobil EZL799) to maximise reliability.

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions
Turbocharged CFE does not have the CPS system, but comes with intake VVT

The CFE + CVT drivetrain completely transforms the Exora experience. Proton’s first full MPV was a good drive all along, bringing a more sophisticated level of ride and handling to the affordable MPV sector. It is also family friendly, comes with more space than price rivals and has all the features one expects for the money. However one major “could be better” point for us was the strength of the Campro CPS mill, or rather the lack of.

You see, the 1.6-litre CPS is the sort of motor that requires “spanking” to get the best out of it, coming alive in the higher regions of the tacho. This isn’t a bad thing in itself, and there’s a certain pleasure to be had in coaxing out the performance, but an MPV isn’t the best vehicle for such histrionics. It is the lack of low end torque that gave rise to the impression of the Exora being “underpowered.”

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions
110 km/h is done at a relaxed 2,400 rpm; toggling the trip computer is a hassle

Enter the turbocharged CFE. With peak torque of 205 Nm coming into play at 2,000 rpm and staying there all the way to 4,000 rpm, the previously lethargic approach has been banished for good. Combined with the instantaneous rise in revs brought by the CVT, the Bold is quick off the line and response is good. The CFE isn’t as smooth revving as the 1.6L Prince engine found in Peugeots and MINIs, but it’s not particularly coarse as well, so all’s good.

Usual CVT rules apply, so when one’s in a hurry, there’s a lot of groan and moan from the engine. But there’s a Stepped Automatic Transmission (SAT) button that causes the ‘box to emulate a six-speed conventional torque converter AT. Press it and you do feel the revs fall back “for the next gear,” but the “gearchanges” are blunt and slow.

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions
With SAT activated, the CVT will try to emulate a torque converter auto ‘box

We first encountered the AT-mimicking CVT in the facelifted Corolla Altis, and Toyota’s rendition remains more convincing. Otherwise, the Punch CVT works decently enough, even if it falls short of Nissan’s CVTs for cohesiveness. Personally, I’m not a fan of CVT, but Proton picked it for efficiency, and you can’t argue with that.

There is another function that eluded most of us journos, the “L” function. Pushing the lever down from D to L is sort of like activating a “Sport Mode”, where the revs rise by about 1,000 rpm with the same throttle opening, giving more sense of urgency along with some added noise. However, I found the physical shift action from D to L a little sticky. Small matter, that.

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions

Drive-wise, the Exora rides well despite the wheel upsize to 16 inches. It showed a steady high speed highway ride and good composure on the poorly surfaced B roads that made up a big portion of our route to Tanjung Jara on the East Coast. Unlike some rivals, there’s no hopping around at the rear, and even the few big potholes we hit met with adequate damping.

Steering precision and feel were a little short of Proton’s usual standards, but just about acceptable for an MPV. However, they could have done better than the GT Radial Champiro tyres on our test car. A tyre swap will be a good investment.

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions

From the driver’s seat, the view out is superb, thanks to the generous glass areas (passengers will enjoy this too) and the new reverse camera with rear view camera display is very useful. I also liked the feel of the chunky leather wrapped steering wheel and the individual fold down arm rest for the front seats.

One inconvenience is the process of jogging the info (range, average FC, etc) on the trip computer. There’s just a single button, so you press it till “ODO” shows on the right display, before doing a long press to switch data on the left display. Quite hard to fully concentrate on the road ahead when doing this.

DRIVEN: Proton Exora Bold Turbo first impressions

As a middle row passenger, I was thankful for my personal air con vent (rear section fan speed is independently controlled) and the ability to catch a movie (I didn’t), but felt that the bench was a little short and flat.

With the addition of a turbocharged engine and more kit, it’s easier to forget that the Exora Bold is not a rival to the Mazda 5, Honda Stream, Peugeot 5008 and gang, but an RM80k MPV that fights cars like the Toyota Avanza and Nissan Grand Livina. The Proton is a more sophisticated and well-rounded product than those two – it drives better, has a lot more go, has more space and more kit. If a foreign badge is not a must have, this is the best MPV below RM100k one can buy in Malaysia.

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Danny Tan

Danny Tan loves driving as much as he loves a certain herbal meat soup, and sweet engine music as much as drum beats. He has been in the auto industry since 2006, previously filling the pages of two motoring magazines before joining this website. Enjoys detailing the experience more than the technical details.

 

Comments

  • Joe Radzif on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    no ugly wood huh?

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    • Loneranger on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:58 pm

      tht 1 is for PRIME……

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    • MoFaz on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:59 pm

      the wood can be found in PRIME. but trust me, it’s not ugly. just go and see it with own eyes, and you might agree.

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      • osh_kosh on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:15 pm

        yup.. still ugly but was a lot better than in pix.. surprised me too

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      • OilChange on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:43 pm

        if u dont like it, carbon fibre wrapped it for 50 bucks…. end of story…

        or wait for few months, there will be tonnes of aftermarket products…

        wood console cant be the deciding point to buy the car or not…. but perhaps it is to you?

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        • this exora bold meter is quite dissapointed! the font of the meter i think is using the same font as the viva! em, i think its should hv chrome ring.. same as ezi viva…

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          • i hate iphone on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:07 pm

            ya. agree.

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          • theanswer on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:54 pm

            yeap..for full spec mpv..i expect the meter should be a bit pretty…maybe optitron style or even same like satria neo.

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          • rajaiskandarshah on Dec 24, 2011 at 8:57 am

            ya laaa… even the meter console on savvy is much nicer

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        • TurboMan on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:13 pm

          agree 100 percent!!

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        • tanahmin on Feb 01, 2012 at 8:27 pm

          agree proton should redesign meter panel with colour lights and chrome ring. It much look PRIME.

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      • lazyf on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:20 pm

        the wood that can be found in Exora PRIME is looking nice in real…

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      • Surge on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:36 pm

        Walao, the Superman’s brief steering….really beh tahan.

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      • The only reason why Sub-Contractor Encik MoFaZ says the wood is good is because those woods are cut-off from Mofaz’s “ladang ternakan kayu” (cheap wood nursery).

        The rest are self-explanatory. Sendiri-sendiri faham.

        Haha,

        Happy New Year Chap!

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      • Iskans on Dec 29, 2011 at 5:56 pm

        Thank you for brighten up some of us who has put all the blame on proton. Come on see it, feel it and then put a comment.

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    • caliemen on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:17 pm

      I HAVE TEST DRIVE THIS CAR. I CAN SAY BETTER THAN CPS ANY TIME. WHEN I PURSHASE CPS BASE ON THE TECHNICAL SPEC BULL SHIT TIPU SAHAJA. 125PS NO WAY. I NEED TO OFF THE AIRCOND AFTER BENTUNG TOL.

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      • No need for caps lock..we got your point..

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      • I have once CPS Exo which has served 2 years and 3 month. No need to turn off the air cond after Bentong Toll. Maybe you should Rev it at the correct RPM…

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      • haimi on May 31, 2012 at 1:08 pm

        you shall switch to L3 when hiking at more than 45..i always upfront before ipoh menora tunnel..i owned 3years already the normal CPS model so far no such problem as i commute to Taiping weekly

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      • daniel on Jun 05, 2012 at 8:21 pm

        dude your right my father rent adn it is a wate car,batter you can buy the new toyota innova

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    • For me the best looking and high performance MPV below 200k is VW Cross Touran saw the car and it’s so beautiful…below 100k is Exora…Avanza and Innova r just terrible !

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      • Gebang on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:00 pm

        100% agreed with u

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      • Aggree just sold my 2009 innova..really regret,heavy drinker fc,suspension like lorry,tired for longdistnce drive,anyway this new exora reallly catch my eye..looking for good fc mpv,cps model fc as high as innova…

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        • nohope on Dec 30, 2011 at 10:23 pm

          Another poting sales man talk. Innova ia a much better car if campare to this junk piece of metal.

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        • Daniel on Jan 17, 2012 at 8:07 pm

          Ya, true…innova & hilux share the same ladder chassis frame. Although can carry heavy load, it will surely drink petrol due to the heavy chassis…its better if innova use the diesel D4D engine lol! Being a truck chassis, sure more bouncy & less comfortable. Agree with u.

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      • oligopoli on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:19 am

        i think ford s-max is best mpv under 200k. but touran, 5008 and c4 picasso is great too…

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    • RedBeanBun on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:28 am

      it looks so much better without the tiger WOODS!

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    • ken dan on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:02 am

      nothing special.alza still better..

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      • HirumaKecil on Dec 23, 2011 at 7:16 am

        Celah mana lagi better? FC? Easy parking? Kamon la… Enough with this stupid comparison.. This Alza not in the same class with Alza… Alza is good and this Exora also good but u cannot compared both car… its like u compare Myvi and Viva… diff size, diff target market, diff class….

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      • alza sempitla bro..

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      • Alza is an MPV is it????….fuck off with stupid comments!

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      • theanswer on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:14 am

        i’m a proud p2 owner..but i have to admit that exora is the most worth to buy mpv in msia. alza is not a mpv, it is a a myvi with big boot or extra seat.

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        • Peyno on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:23 pm

          Ken is perodua salesman.. He just wanna sell the alza to earn money, he doesnt mind to conn ppl coz he never owned alza

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          • theanswer on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:08 pm

            agree! the only reason i wont buy exora is because i dont really need the extra 3rd row sear. otherwise it would be a good choice for a family car.

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        • “kereta juga mpv” –> Alza

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          • Haimi on Jan 31, 2012 at 4:07 pm

            CONFUSE JE..!!!…..”lori juga bas” atau “lori ke bas”—> lokebas
            Ha ha ha …slogan tuk laku keta je tu….keta is keta la….mpv is mpv la.. kawan

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    • Dissapointed on Mar 23, 2012 at 8:00 am

      Just bought and used the Exora bold for one week, everything internal is fine as claim, but, my major concern is the milleage is not as per spec, the fuel consumption is 15L/100km and not 7.8L/km as spec.
      Damm upset, this is brand new and clock in 453 km only. Will send to SC for tuning and checking , but not so convience that this will solve the high fuel consumption issues. Really doubt Proton claim as the RPM seem to stay at 2000 rpm even at very low speed <60km .
      Not sure, if I can get full refund if I wish to return the car.
      Other complain:
      – the inter cooler sound is very noisy, even when you are in the car
      – and if you press the pedal too hard the whole car seem vibrating

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      • daniel on Jun 05, 2012 at 8:28 pm

        yea, batter buy new innova more smoother and cool than all those mpv

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      • hakim on Jul 26, 2012 at 3:13 pm

        It is a guzzler, cost twice as much to travel compared to my hilux. Any ideas where things went wrong..

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  • video please!

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    • Me used this Exora bold plat No WWM for last 2 month.
      For the first month yes true the fuel consumption within that range, BUT for me is just because the exciting feeling with the boost, even in the highway i am ‘playing’ with estima, avanza (for sure manual, hehehe), inspira (faster car)…. easily got clocked to 170kmj with load of my wife, 3 kids and lugggage (this not good :-D)

      After that, my full tank with balance 50km in the tank (below 50k the distant disappear) can reach 600km…. this happend with a good and relax driving style. BELIEVE ME…

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      • holofanboi on Apr 13, 2014 at 9:16 pm

        An interesting owner review that is over a year from the article date. I myself test drove the facelifted Grand Livina last week as I’m searching for the most comfortable MPV for family trips and to be perfectly honest, the Livina was utterly disappointing.

        Looking forward to test driving the Exora this coming wednesday.

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  • oligopoli on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    i like the last word – “this is the best MPV below RM100k one can buy in Malaysia.” perhaps comparable to 240Nm Alphard engine since Alphard body is bigger, boxier and less aerodynamic. not the luxuriness, just the engine performance….

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    • rush hour on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:04 pm

      the alphard is easily double the price, and should one is interested in warranty – buy from UMW (upon request). I heard the price fetches as high as 500K (due to japan CBUstatus and tax structures).

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      • hahaha on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:34 pm

        i dont think so, UMW toyota wanna earn more money, thats y so expensive. thats y charge u 500k

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      • oligopoli on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:51 pm

        what i mean is, performance-wise, exora perhaps can beat alphard. of course the price is multi-fold, cannot compare. and the market segment is way different.

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    • gunigugu on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:09 pm

      Toyota and Nissan should start feeling afraid with their avanza and livina right now..priced higher yet stats which are bettered by proton..to that, I say ‘Well done Proton!’

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      • if toyota and nissan can fight with the proton exora with a fair competition…long time proton died ady…because of tax….consumer shift to proton…otherwise …sorry proton

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        • oligopoli on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:22 am

          why in the world people are still saying this. haih….

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        • redflank on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:52 am

          come on la… be fair… proton cars also get the same tax as other cars in Malaysia…

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          • MrDDR on Dec 25, 2011 at 10:27 pm

            Not really bro. not really. Yes exora also have been tax but how much? 3K only you know . 3k only. So without tax is 86k for prime. avanza alone been tax for 22k. Not same bro. not same.

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          • titan on Jan 15, 2012 at 3:42 pm

            yes bro, yes bro, i really fall in love with Exora bold,with Exora bold. i want one,sure i want one

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        • EaTmYsMoKe on Dec 24, 2011 at 2:20 am

          broo……im not going to buy inova or avanza even the price equal to exora bold. Design wise outdated. Toyota need fresh design to outdo the competition.

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        • i eat KFC and i must pay gov tax too…
          tax is gov income…

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      • Wheeler on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:45 pm

        anjez… I’ve enough of this kind of comments.. same old garbage!

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      • Wheeler on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:49 pm

        Grow up. Toyota has better things to do than think about it. They’ve years of experience in this business.

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    • carlover on Dec 30, 2011 at 2:30 pm

      at the end of the day, it all boils down to reliability. proton+turbo engines? hmmm… and not to mentioned after sales service, go figure.

      p.s. comparing Alphard and Exora really made me laugh out loud!

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  • witchy on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Will the P3-21A be using the same engine?

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  • mujahid on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    So Danny, will u buy it 4 urself?

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  • mentari-o-korea on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    ..this review is like pain to the journalist, not sure if 1.6 turbo still capable to that heavy body! One thing for sure, the engine will be hot among gen 2, pesona, so i believe another hot car for the thief!!!

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    • where have u been?….

      the vw cross touran have a 1.4 liter while the pug 5008 have a 1.6 liter, but all this including these new exora are turbocharged,…look at the torque figures, cross touran 220nm/5008 at 240nm/new exora at 205nm and compare these to those Japs Mazda 5/ stream/wish 2.0 which cannot even reach 200nm plus the Japs peak torque are all above 4,000rpm…go figure

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    • oligopoli on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:54 pm

      what u mean pain to journo? another hot car for thief – i suppose that is a compliment

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    • jurutera on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:06 pm

      not that simple, wiring, harness and ECU definitely not match. Most important the 32 bit TB ECU

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    • unknown on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:25 am

      i tink u r the thief..

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  • Nice one. Really good reviews.

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    • not a car enthusiast on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:36 am

      This is first impression review. Not really complete and I wish a more thorough one will follow.

      Or better yet – do a shootout with G.Livina, Innova, Wish etc.

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      • Eyesore on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:21 am

        Yes do a shootout… but not the one like Exora vs Alza shootout… where they give professional driver to drive alza and average uncle to drive Exora.. doing slalom etc.. then they compare… WTH was that? Not even close to fair comparison… Obviously the professional driver will do better than the uncle… haiyaa… (i think every know which tv show does that =p)

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        • i sold my innova after i took it to kelantan and back, Overtaking speeds is ridiculous and almost cause a head on. Not suitable for 2 way roads.

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  • dumbnut on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    gotta ask, is there any manual override for the transmission? It gets quite hairy when going down hill (e.g. after the menora tunnel) in a fully laden vehicle. Unless of course its one of those fuzzy logic gearboxes that kick down a gear when going down slopes.

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    • auto-guy-but-not-quite on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:47 pm

      that’s what the L (Low ratio) gear “ratio” is used for. (ie. Gunakan Gear Rendah)
      All cars without Manual mode has that L-position to keep the revs up for engine braking.

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      • theanswer on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:30 am

        dont be surprise…majority of auto user didnt know how to use to lower gear..didnt even know what is o/d button is all about. the best part is, they think the o/d button will gives them extra hp!
        all they know is, put into d and drive..

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        • durararararara on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:53 am

          sounds like me tho :-p

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          • ezracopters on Dec 23, 2011 at 4:16 pm

            hahaha..same..i never own any auto but driven it several time b4, i guess i rather cramping my leg than putting on a dull face and cozy-fold my left leg..

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          • theanswer on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:12 pm

            hehehe kantoi. nah..i always tell ppl it’s easier to use o/d button (or shift to 3) whenever u wanna get immediate extra speed to ‘potong’. its safer like that since u can control the gear.

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  • Rosham on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I like the two toned seat upholstry… nice. Hope it performs & up to expectation…

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  • SatBer on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Need to own it a bit longer to really know its worth it.

    Of course, with turbo and special tune for the press ride, is it the same thing sold to the public?

    Even the oil,maybe 97.

    For below 100k or near to it, people looking at the Innova n Livina.

    I think the Livina will put up a good fight.

    60k plus Exora ok…..90k plus…..really need to…..thiiiiink……n thiiiink some more

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    • rally_fan on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:41 pm

      the livina is a fine MPV.. to me.. its got slightly better build quality, slightly nice plastics.. but the biggest problem is.. its tooooo small… can get very cramped for an MPV.. also.. its definitely down on power compared to CFE.

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      • yes, way too small, sold mine

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        • rush hour on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:28 pm

          buy innova if ride comfort comes last. the ride is on harsh side.

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          • Sober on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:29 pm

            Harlo brother, sister………just visited their website…..4 link leh not leaf spring ar.

            Aiya the float v easi to settle just fit in rubber bushes in the rear springs.

            Usually, to spring up the rear for more load….end up like this one.

            Tyres also important. Tyre pressure too.

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    • Along Kuala Ketil on Dec 28, 2011 at 5:25 pm

      “Even the oil,maybe 97.”

      hello mr SatBer.. you just even unable to differentiate between OIL & FUEL.. how can you put those sceptical issues on Exora? for that 97 figure, the correct term is FUEL
      (RON 97), NOT OIL… LOL :-D

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      • beruk33 on Feb 07, 2012 at 3:47 am

        don’t be petty! i think he meant fuel oil which is correct. oil has many types. he is certainly not referring to lubricant.

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    • Robin on Jan 13, 2012 at 2:27 pm

      I test drive Livina before and it is SMALL compare to Exora. At the I bought a Exora. It a good and comfort car.

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  • armandd on Dec 22, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Nice review! If they put this engine in satria neo or persona, and couple it with manual transmission.. I think that’s not too much to ask from Proton right? *Fingers crossed*

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    • oligopoli on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:29 am

      why left out manual transmission for exora? if that’s available, i prefer that. read about CFE to couple with getrag 6-speed manual tranny few months back. that project still ongoing?

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      • theanswer on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:22 pm

        performance wise, manual is lot better than auto..but for a family mpv, i dont really a 6 speed manual. unless u’r driving a satria neo.

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        • oligopoli on Dec 24, 2011 at 3:02 pm

          mostly i use my car from and to work (seldom involve jam) and for long distance drive, so auto or cvt are less important for me. both are good, but i guess its just me prefer the manual ;-)

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      • buatkereta on Dec 24, 2011 at 8:47 am

        6 speed? no need lah. CVT3 already replace it. U can have how many speed setting u want. Drive with comfort lah..

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    • titan on Jan 15, 2012 at 3:31 pm

      i think the tranmission did u meant will launch after few month believe me,it’s a marketing plan maa

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  • firefish on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Good job Proton!…
    No doubt the best MPV under 100k

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  • rapidshifter on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    16 inch rims fit nicely for exora… looks really good..

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  • Ferrando Mateau on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Danny read somewhere in forums that they also have revised the springs and damping for this new Exora – also the rubbers are specifically developed for this model – the first time with asymmetric pattern and silica compound. if the reports are to be believed – did these improved qualities show in your test drive

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    • Danny Tan (Member) on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:15 pm

      The retuned suspension is no surprise, since it’s quite a different animal now, and there are bigger wheels to boot.
      But Proton didn’t say anything about the tyres. The Exora is a pleasant drive, never clumsy, and ride comfort is good.

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      • rosdi on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:56 pm

        What about NVH… didnt see it in the review.. Family MPV like this m ust have very good NVH.. otherwise wifey complain car too noisy lah… please update the review and comment on the NVH.

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  • Masked Ryder on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Would be awesome if they put the CFE engine into Neo.

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    • Masked Ryder on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:46 pm

      The real Masked Ryder don’t agree !

      Satria Neo must equip with higher boost Turbo Charged, so that it can burn the Veloster & Koup !!

      Back to Exora Bold CFE the super cun exterior are really spoilted by the mix match interior, that is one of the worst design meter i have seen, P1 please get a new interior designer for your furture model.

      Complement must be given to the exterior designer especially the front bumper (Peter Schyerer eat your heart out).

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      • TurboMan on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:06 pm

        I don understand why you guys want to burn the veloster or koup?

        You guys feel so insecure until you have to burn them?

        Even when i drive my wife’s koup out with my kids, i get scores of satrias, vios, and what not who wants to eat or tapao me. Sometimes when im not with my kids, i will play along, eating satrias with ease on the straights. Corners better don’t as satrias are very good in the corners. Vios not so easy at lower speeds due to their weight advantage. But at highway speed, its not too difficult.

        However koups are cruisers. Most ppl who drives a koup hardly cares about tapao or who is faster. Its just the cheapest way to travel in style. Perhaps most ppl won’t understand that.

        To them, a car is better only if its faster.

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        • Kiasu No Kiasi on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:24 pm

          What a hero, beating a 1.5 & 1.6 with your 2.0 car. zzz.ZZZ

          Come back to me when u beat Mazda 3 MPS & Renault RS 250.

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          • TurboMan on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:35 pm

            Well.

            I was trying to make a point which is stated in the last line of my comment. And you only look at the specs of the cars in my short story.

            In other word, you only have “tapao” in your mind, while im talking about something completely different.

            Its ok my friend. I blame the education system for not teaching you critical thinking and basic comprehension to look at the paragraph and extract what am i trying to say.

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          • peynof**k on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:43 pm

            second that..he didnt read your comment properly..maybe he still a budak sekolah…sorry for him..pprrfffhhh

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          • agree with you on that… It really sicken me that some people never learn to comprehend the whole statement.. They just like to pick info in bits and pieces.

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          • Kiasu No Kiasi on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:38 pm

            I read it all, ur writing is full of Chauvinism & nothing more than “Showing Off” with ur lemon brand cheap toy, why else u need to remind other that ur wife own an Kia Koup “Repeatedly”

            I am quite sure my education is adequiate enough to get ur hidden agenda.

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          • TurboMan on Dec 23, 2011 at 3:14 pm

            Well again.

            We let paultan commentators make their judgement based on their thumbs up/down on how good you are at reading/comprehending comments and your level of education. No dramas there.

            A kia koup is a lemon brand cheap toy ? You have revealed yourself finally.

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          • Kiasu No Kiasi on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:55 pm

            Further writing would just review ur true color.

            Maybe for u thumb up & thumb down here are the measurement of life satisfaction, no wonder you need to remind other from time to time, either directly or indirectly that your wife own a KIA Koup.

            As the saying go “Empty Vessel Make The Most Sound”

            I am quite sure many forumer here own a better drive, yet apart from u & a few, they do not “Advertise” aka “Tayang” their wealth, not that a 115K Koup is a “Big Deal” anyway.

            Since this is Exora CFE article, i would out an end to these non constructive argument.

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          • TurboMan on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:29 pm

            Ah. A self appointed moderator.

            Whatever makes you happy mate.

            Its all fine with me.

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          • TurboMan on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:36 pm

            And i must have hit a nerve. Its ok. Must have a bad childhood. Were you bullied when you were a kid hence the anger within. You want a lolly?

            You have to let it go. Life is too short my friend.Take it easy.

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          • David D on Dec 24, 2011 at 1:26 am

            TurboMan. You the man. Whacking pathetic commentators like Masked Ryder as well as this new pathetic Kiasu commentator. Seriously, i appreciate the way you made a solid point, where you pointed out the flawed, yet outright stupid comments some anti-Korean car bashers can make.

            Don’t get me wrong here, i’m not saying your Koup is the best car in the world, nor the Japs are that rubbish, but the way some people tries to turn this place, like how you said, a manhood measuring contest.

            To Kiasu no Kiasi, i’d suggest you keep that bloody arrogant mouth of yours shut, if you’re only wanting to look for arguements here. Pathetic attention-seeker-cum-troll. My goodness.

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          • TurboMan on Dec 24, 2011 at 8:28 am

            David D. You the man too. Fighting the good fight in other posts.

            Well, don get me wrong too. Im not and had never said koup is the best in the world. But its just the ppl who are so anti korean and that masked ryder who enjoys eating koup and veloster so much, hence my points above

            That kiasu guy is so obviously lost in the plot and too stubborn to admit it.

            The word “bodoh sombong” comes to mind, but well, to each his own.

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        • Critique on Dec 23, 2011 at 7:47 am

          Good to see mature and level headed commentators are still alive and kicking in this blog!

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          • Kiasu No Kiasi on Dec 24, 2011 at 12:16 am

            I will be your first customer.

            I love my vios. Vios is the best car in the world.

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          • Critique on Dec 25, 2011 at 11:25 am

            Season’s Greetings To All (Since its Christmas) !

            Kiasu, I drive a Vios! I love to bits too. Cuz it does what I want it to do pretty darn well. :)

            So, what’s wrong if oth ppl out there drive oth cars that they feel is best for them?

            No need to bash lar bro. If TurboMan wants to drive a Koup so be it larr…
            It is quite a good looking car after all :)

            So no matter what car u drive, its all good Bro! Despite what some ppl may say’lar! hahahaha!!

            Happy Holidays All!

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      • Masked Ryder on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:19 pm

        Forgot to say, if anyone wanna buy a New vios from me, please contact my email.

        Masked-Ryder@hotmail,com

        Will give great offer.

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    • peroad135 on Dec 22, 2011 at 11:38 pm

      harap sgt neo akan kuar turbocharge…

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    • shawal on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:18 am

      this year they stopped production of neo, savvy, perdana,

      but next year’s tuah will get CFE engine,
      if tuah completely replaces persona, it will have multiple trims and variants
      but if it doesnt, Tuah will only have 1 trim….. ( two metallic and solid…)

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      • Arzaq on Dec 25, 2011 at 2:05 pm

        They dont stop the production of neo la…it still going on but only for the H-line which come with cps

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  • rama-rama on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    “…but an RM80k MPV that fights cars like the Toyota Avanza and Nissan Grand Livina. The Proton is a more sophisticated and well rounded product than those two – it drives better, has a lot more go, has more space and more kit…” yeah… but what if those cars are without tax? For 80k mpv, then exora should be compared head-to-head with stream, wish, 5008, etc….

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    • based on engine cubic capacity la brader..1.6L..!!

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    • Eyesore on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:32 pm

      You can play with ‘What if…’ all day long in ur mind or in internet.. but when you come back to reality you will still compare 80k vehicle vs 80k vehicle (import tax or no import tax)… you cannot go to car dealer (with capabilities to do loan up to 80k only) and want to buy a stream by telling them the stream only worth 80k without tax…. duh…. wake up and stop living in the ‘WHAT IF’ world…

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    • Bob Vettel on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:37 pm

      If Stream without tax, then Exora also without tax, must be lower priced than that.

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    • too bad, what you think is not the reality….so wake up man.

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      • i think, what he meant is that don’t be ‘jaguh kampung’ forever. If Proton Exora is very good, it should be accepted well not just in malaysia. in indonesia perhaps.

        my 2 cents

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        • ariefin on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:36 am

          Actually the Exora is already accepted very well in Indonesia. It got the Best Small MPV 2011 award from Mobil Motor Magazine and Otomotif. I am actually the chairman for the Exora Owners Club Indonesia and we are affiliated with the Exora Owners Club Malaysia. So sometimes we come over and buy some accessories which are hard to get here in Indonesia.

          Sales wise of Proton is also rising, aftersales needs to be boosted up though. However the Exora is a way much better pick than the Livina, Innova and especially the new avanza xenia (kaleng kerupuk twins). I have already tested the new Avanza Veloz and 1.3 G and it’s just the same as the old ones. Horrible plastic and very bad ride.

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          • Peyno on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:59 pm

            Well said by indonesian.. See indonesian also puji exora eventhou they have avanza, kijang innova n apv in the matket..

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          • linear_system on Dec 24, 2011 at 12:39 am

            ariefin..nice said..i think u shut the bashers mouth that say exora is the jaguh kampung only :) thumbs upsss for u!

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          • buatkereta on Dec 24, 2011 at 7:21 pm

            Thank you Mr Ariefin,
            We all as PROTON workers fell very glad n touched.
            We will do our level best to put the best for you all.

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  • Phantom_Works on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    sounds very promising and a good bargain with this exora….will have a look at showroom later

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  • osh_kosh on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    hmm… i just hope no one is stupid enuff to drive this mpv like a turbocharged impreza… seriously, some of the comments in previous threads suggested that some ppl didn’t have any clue why P1 install the turbo into this mpv… *sigh*

    p/s: all looks good so far, all the best P1!

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    • ezracopters on Dec 23, 2011 at 4:29 pm

      yup, trust me..there will be someone who stupid enuff later, minor thou.

      haha. my advise is, after this if we suddenly saw Exora tryin to overtake our car @ higher than 120km/h.. just let it go and let it be.. it might end up bad for both of us if any..

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  • fishman on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    l will consider if proton give 5 year warranty with unlimited mileage. if not don’t even think about it.

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    • Eyesore on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:35 pm

      can…. but u can only servis at PROTON servis centre… one outside repair/service warranty void… dare?

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      • i’m fine with that condition.

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      • Loneranger on Dec 23, 2011 at 2:12 am

        even other car maker also put T&C like that for their cars coz to protect people who damage the car by sending it to ah bang’s workshop then later claim all that from authorized SC telling that the car is not good…got sound here and there, got engine prob…etc…etc…etc….

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    • gen2lama on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:52 pm

      so….dont buy la….

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    • squall_shinoda on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:06 am

      All carmakers put mileage limits in their warranty, because those mileage limits are the estimated engine service life before a full overhaul. At that time, most critical parts e.g. bearing, piston, valves etc. have already reached their service limits due to wear and tear and must be replaced, or else the entire engine will break down. So, carmakers are not gods anyway.

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    • vincent on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:16 am

      Now a day, those warranty things become “hausia” already. Imaging you have to go back to the service center, pay at leasat double of the price you can get outside, you will end up still a losser.

      They will just take this premium and pay with the probality, end up, those part replacement cost also from us, the consumer…

      This go the same for the T & H brand….

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    • nobody force anybody to buy maaa…….

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  • bla bla on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    hmmmm i got a strong feeling this engine might go into the new neo /facelift or something

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    • TurboMan on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:09 pm

      Yeah

      Put this in the NEO and hold that 205nm of torque higher in the revs and it will finally give the NEO the power it needs badly to complement the awesome handling.

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      • Garfield on Dec 23, 2011 at 3:14 am

        I heard the engine can be tuned to 151bhp, so that will be awesome for Neo. It is understandable for a family MPV to be tuned more for torque and maybe lower hp for reliability. Just like the Touran where the 1.4TSI is tuned for “only” 140ps (same 138bhp); when the same EA111 engine is tuned for 160ps for Scirocco and 180ps for the Polo GTI. In effect, the 140ps tuned engines are better suited for RON95.

        With further R&D, the possibilities are far-reaching if not limitless for turbocharging. But I hope Proton stay the course and strive for refinement, not just outright power.

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        • Wheeler on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:10 pm

          where do you get this?

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          • taboogen on Dec 26, 2011 at 2:13 pm

            coz i have seen the actual target for this engine.. 150bhp and 205NM…. thats the target for this car.. once achieve the target.. it is easily controlled via ecu…

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        • Nosafe on Dec 30, 2011 at 10:27 pm

          Of course you can even tune to 250HP with this non safe vehicle. You budak are good in modifying kancil to ferrari, keep it up !

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    • Vincent on Dec 25, 2011 at 7:20 pm

      CPE is strong in touq but weak in house power, it mean for MPV, not sport car.

      Neo GTI with 1st stage tune , NA already 140+HP..not need the GPE lior…

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      • shooter on Dec 25, 2011 at 9:12 pm

        torque lembik la bro… setakat 110-115lbs pulling 1.2 tonnes…tak cukup la, NEED MORE TORQUE/ DISPLACEMENT!!!… say a 2.4 L, (160 lbs/ 160 bhp) now that would be ‘par’….

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        • 99ners on Feb 23, 2012 at 9:28 pm

          The limitation is on gearbox itself. Refer to Punch website. Vt3 only rated up to 220Nm. Not engine.. If manual version come out then you will see the real power.

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      • turbo10 on Jan 17, 2012 at 10:22 am

        we need torque for real world driving..higher torque@lower rpm..

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  • E-sham on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Great review as always. I was driving to Terengganu on Monday and saw the group of journos and convoy of Exoras on their way to the East Coast. However, I saw one of the Exora Bolds later breaking down on the East Coast Highway. Guess Proton may still need to iron out the wrinkles, but can’t deny the difference in power for the Bold and the vanilla Exora especially when climbing the Genting Sempah inclines.

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  • anti-vios on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    it seems like a lot of improvements from Proton.. Good Job!

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  • BN=barang naik on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    so how bout the FC?..can get around 8L/100km in your driving mode?

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    • Danny Tan (Member) on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:23 pm

      Quite hard to measure FC in a media drive – given a short time from A to B, we normally focus solely on “performance” :) Will need an extended session in mixed conditions for that.

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  • McQueen on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    How does it fair going downhill? How do you get it to hold on to a lower gear for engine braking?

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    • Danny Tan (Member) on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:26 pm

      No “low gears” in a CVT, but higher revs and more engine braking can be had in “L” mode

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      • Masked Ryder on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:57 pm

        CVT itself have no gear..only pulley

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        • Donkey Kong on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:54 pm

          No shit, Sherlock. So are you saying that by using pulleys, there are no low gear ratios?

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          • JintuOren on Dec 28, 2011 at 12:00 am

            if you ever ride a scooter…it’s the same.

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  • wendy on Dec 22, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    nice one proton, keep up the good work! proud to be Malaysian!

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  • WA!!! more power on a bigger space MPV…

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  • hafiz on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    nice move from P1..better than old version..but still have to think hundred times before buying this MPV.

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  • Idaho on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    After test driving the Exora Bold today, i think the driving experience is much nicer than the VW cross touran tested a couple of week ago.

    You can feel the power immediately. And the ride is also good.

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    • Gebang on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:00 am

      U can feel the power immediately than cross touran? Hhhhaaa….dont bullshit la….

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      • azrai on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:30 am

        I think it is true statement because the higer torque in BOLD kicks off at 2k rpm while those in Touran at 4k rpm.

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        • lalok_stylo on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:51 am

          agreed….
          with higher torque at lower rpm, we dont have to hit the pedal like crazy…..

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        • Gebang on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:36 am

          Cross touran kick 220 Nm @1250rpm…we’re talking twincharger here…

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          • Donkey Kong on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:56 pm

            Have you personally tried out both MPVs one after another to feel the difference? Otherwise, don’t bullshit la.

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          • Gebang on Dec 23, 2011 at 4:47 pm

            Already tested la..idaho statement still bullshit…

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          • azrai on Dec 23, 2011 at 3:58 pm

            The young Malays says “gebang jer lebih ni”.

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          • gebeng on Dec 25, 2011 at 2:24 pm

            gebang…
            are u using or trying that both vehicle?..

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      • Betul la.. More power in Exora at lower RPM. Tu pasal la Idaho kata “You can feel the power IMMEDIATELY”

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      • Baca betul2 chor… Idaho say “You can feel the power IMMEDATELY”. Maksudnya bila kat lower RPM laa.. Adoi..

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  • inspiring on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    pic no 4 (reverse cam image on centre mirror),

    -‘jangan turunkan tingkap selama 2 hari’

    what that’s mean/for?

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    • Paul Tan on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:08 pm

      Probably related to tinting.

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      • Hi Paul, now your age are more into this segment, what would you think? will you buy it?

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    • lenchikang on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:22 pm

      Tinted – some 7 days, 24 hours, 48 hours ‘pantang’ cannot winding down windows and turn on demister…..

      So Bold come with factory fitted tinted, so need to add little $$$ for upgrade to safety one je la….

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      • theanswer on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:05 pm

        usually they’ll give u the crap one. trust me.

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        • buatkereta on Dec 24, 2011 at 8:01 pm

          theanswer..
          PROTON not cheat customer.
          Do not simply give statement without proof.
          Data collected from after market team shows the claims on the cheap part, unreliable part and low quality part are not original PROTON parts.
          Most of PROTON parts being tested and control thru higher quality standard.

          Please, do not blaming PROTON on this kind of cases.

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  • sawi cool on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Lagi power, lagi best P1 version.

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  • Basikal_Buruk on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    I wish Proton could introduce a package for their non-CFE customers to change to CFE engine.. I don’t mind if they charge RM10k-15k including installation and warranty..

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    • rush hour on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:32 pm

      no they rather consumers to buy the CFE instead.

      corporate greed maa..

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    • Masked Ryder on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:30 pm

      Cannot simply put CFE because whole set of the car was different e.g…rear disc brake, different engine cooling system, different damper/ suspension due to heavier engine and so on..

      Lots of effort and RM in order to change to CFE.

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      • Sober on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:19 pm

        Aiyah just bolt in a garret turbo, strap on a cooler, tune down the turbo pressure, upgrade brakes n suspension….presto….u may have something even better than the CFE.

        Not as difficult as people think.

        Problem when u want to claim insurance only.

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      • Sober on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:21 pm

        Aiyah just bolt on a garret turbo, strap on a cooler, tune down the turbo pressure, upgrade brakes n suspension….presto….u may have something even better than the CFE.

        Not as difficult as people think.

        Problem when u want to claim insurance only.

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        • Loneranger on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:16 am

          then means ur cr have no value la coz u use ah bang’s part in ur car…

          if accident then u hv to fork own money to pay for the damages?

          so better don’t or else if normal accident fine laa but if involves life, then u “mati katak” lorr……….

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          • Mator on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:10 pm

            Can try get JPJ approval…..den insuran get pass

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    • ezracopters on Dec 23, 2011 at 4:47 pm

      i agree with you, but RM10-RM15k..huuuuu a bit expensive isn’t it. i’m sure proton boss reading this, dont give em’ idea lah ish ish

      let say i wanna put CFE in my Neo & persona.. RM30k already spend on it (assuming proton won’t accept trade in our older campro engine, which i hope not coz it mean even proton dont believe in themself!!)..

      hmmm maybe max RM8k including installation, wiring & ECU, documentation & engine warranty 150k mileage more acceptable.

      or RM8k package above + another RM2k for engine installation & refine tuning (power & handling) by R3 itself.. wowww this is such a good dream, i’ll be smiling while cashing out my account at bank. no regret at all.

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  • Cool! on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    No mention about still using timing belt?

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    • mastermind on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:58 pm

      Still using Timing belt more light silience…80k for servicing..cost bear to customer

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      • TFazuin on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:13 am

        mastermind,
        Timing chain pun kena tukar/ service depends on condition la, my friend’s Sorento had to get all the rollers, tensioner etc changed and the bill is the same as 3 timing belt change, you just prolong the inevertable. Nothing is free. The bill is just 3K aja, am sure you can afford since you already saved up the first 200K Km :). I bet you drive till those tyres of yours become slick tyres before you change :). If you can’t afford to maintain, don’t buy a car, take a bus or the train.

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        • And how many people use > 200K km before changing next car?

          Global cars nowdays are goin back with timing chain like in the 80’s.

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    • Peyno on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:12 pm

      No mention still using 4AT into alza??? Prrrfffthhhh

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  • hahaha on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    guys, one question, does it have a front windscreen demister?
    i cant seem to find it.

    i do know that saga doesnt have this.

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    • mizzuddin945 on Dec 23, 2011 at 6:03 pm

      i think it has… by this picture…

      http://paultan.org/2011/12/22/driven-proton-exora-bold-turbo-our-first-impressions/p1070427b/

      and it should have

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  • dokcukuppitis on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Blueekkk!!! Nak tipu org lagi ini proton.

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    • udasalleh on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:30 pm

      I find it funny that u hate Proton so much but still bother reading this thread about Proton let alone post a comment it albeit giving no real insight. Do you feel insecure? Do u feel an urge automatically to read forums on anything that you hate? Do u feel compelled to give negative comments to whatever you find in disagreement? Coz I don’t see any constructive critism on your part to help better Proton. I don’t see you offer your motoring expertise to help them excel. There must be something deeply wrong in your life if you hate something yet you indulge such precious time and effort towards it.

      ‘Nemo vir est qui mundum non reddat meliorem’… translated says ‘What man is truly a man who does not make the world better’.

      Seriously bro… u need to get some serious profesional help… and i mean like a psychiatrist.

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  • hahaha on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    no defog switch for the car?
    same like saga?

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  • kyoshooo on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    outdated interior…..proton please improve on the design!

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  • JeremyNg on Dec 22, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Danny ,

    Do it have ESP ??!! I rmb a post about Proton tested this car ESP at sweden …….

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  • whitesmileman on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Another Malaysian disgrace, Uprated power, no curtain airbags, no electronic stability control. At least in other Malaysian cars only 5 people die together. Now can kill 7 WOOO HOO!

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    • huiyooo on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:23 pm

      another car if drive like carzy oso can die maa…

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      • i hate iphone on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:37 pm

        remember a really sad news about whole family died in a bmw 7 series..

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    • Loneranger on Dec 23, 2011 at 2:03 am

      perhaps u shld take into consideration late Lady Diana died in Merc S Class……

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  • rafieldo on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    The ride was superb…

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  • JeremyNg on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Danny,

    Do it equip with ESP ???!!!! I rmb last time there is a post about Proton engineers tested their ESP system in Sweden

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  • and no mention about rear suspension, still using torsion beam or changes to better independent/wishbone.

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    • DAG 372 on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:44 pm

      even toyota altis used torsion beam too with the price tag RM125k

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      • ame_nooooooo!!!! on Dec 24, 2011 at 10:05 am

        wat u mean 125k, altis actual price usd15900(www.toyota.com) = rm49290

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  • Some people said that the turbo whining sound is quite noticeable and annoying. Is that true?

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    • panadoll on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:30 pm

      go test drive, dont just hear hear onli ..

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      • Will test drive. Just wanted to hear opinions from other people :)

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    • DAG 372 on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:47 pm

      its like music to my ear…like the sound of turbo

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    • PakAbu on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm

      “Annoying” is subjective.

      Test drive it yourself to find out.

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      • Yea, it is subjective. That’s why I wanted to know what others think.

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    • Danny Tan (Member) on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:44 am

      You can barely hear turbo whistle with the windows up. There’s a faint whine, yes, but it didn’t annoy me.

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    • It is noticeable during my test drive..especially when u’re driving uphill while the speed is around 40-50km..since the engine noise and tyre noise is quite low at this speed, I can hear the turbo hissing noise..but its not annoying at all..quite nice actually..

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    • 99ners on Feb 23, 2012 at 9:45 pm

      Yes it’s quite loud. But anyone who has experience playing evo, vr4 or rex will know how those turbo sounded like. It’s will whining and quite loud. Normally people will not realise this because
      a) aftermarket air filter
      b) loud exhaust.
      Try ride in golf or subaru( or better still go to motor image and ask for test drive) And then you can compare between them.

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  • mamat on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Good job proton..can swap wit my 1.8 livina engine?hehe.

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    • Your 1.8 Livina only give 174NM torque at 4,800 rpm against 205Nm for Bold from only 2000 rpm.

      I’ll definitely go for the Bold anytime…..

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  • Martin on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Wow, that’s quite expensive for the premium cvt spec. Considering being a national car without hefty import tax……Because Taiwanese can price their Luxgen 7 MPV starting from approx. RM85k and it’s also their national brand with more upmarket specs and designs and power. Hmmm….

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    • & high tech too

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    • MoFaz on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:49 am

      who said proton doesn’t get taxed? at least 37.5% excise duty, plus 10% sales tax on Proton cars. that’s nearly 50% increase from original price. so if the final price is RM80k, the original factory price could be in the range of RM40-50k only.
      yes i agree Luxgen 7 has better spec, nice design and more power. but RM80k is for basic spec, with 2 airbags, ABS and few other features. others are optional.
      comparing prices outside have too much ambiguities. we don’t even know whether the price already include road tax, insurance or any other thing necessary there.
      for example, a car could be cheap in Japan, but acquiring a car there involves many procedures and incurs lots of expenses. You have to pay an acquisition tax (5% of the car’s price), an annual automobile tax, a weight tax, mandatory insurance, processing fees, official expenses for the car’s registration and verification of a parking lot, and recycling deposit. you need to show a proof from local police that you have a parking space before you can buy a car there. if you have to, you can rent a parking space but it’s not cheap. plus you need to send the car for compulsory safety inspection every 2 years. and not to forget the price of petrol there too.
      we’ll get nowhere if we talk and compare too much with the outside. too many pros and cons need to be weighted. production costs also varies from place to place. wouldn’t it be easier to just compare to whatever we have here?

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      • Martin on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:39 am

        I totally agree with u buddy. I know Exora is taxed but it does not have import tax. Excise Duty tax definitely is in place. The basic Luxgen 7 has 2.2T engine and comes with 2 airbags, like what u said. That’s why i am comparing the basic spec of Luxgen 7 with Exora CVT, because they both have almost identical specs in safety department. Maybe the Luxgen 7 is not taxed so much in Taiwan and hence able to maintain its lower price, i am not too sure about that though.

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        • taboogen on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:04 am

          what is the point producing own car if G imposed import taxed, from where the car is being imported then…. since the factory is in Shah Alam.. I wonder.. only the tranny came from China… that is being taxed also

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          • Loneranger on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:10 am

            source of income for the country…..thts the best answer.

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        • MoFaz on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:29 am

          that’s why, you shouldn’t just compare the price in Taiwan. as i said before, cars could be cheap but there are many other things you need to pay. for example, for 1600cc mpv like Exora, you need to pay Annual Fuel Charge Fee of RM500 which you must pay regardless whether you buy petrol or not, plus Annual Licence Plate Tax of almost RM1,200. you pay RM1,700 annual tax for Exora in Taiwan, but here, we only pay RM90 for road tax, that’s just 7.5% of what you have to pay in Taiwan!!… price of RON95 there is around RM3 per litre.
          Tax is the main income for Gov. if they lower the car import tax, they will impose other tax to generate income, just like Taiwan above.

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          • MoFaz on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:25 pm

            correction:
            Annual Licence Plate Tax is around RM750, so you pay RM1,200 annual tax for Exora in Taiwan, but here, we only pay RM90 for road tax, just 7.5% of what you have to pay in Taiwan…

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        • rapidshifter on Dec 28, 2011 at 12:34 pm

          for Exora the price inclusive excise duty at 65% and add tax 10%… other MPV add 10% import tax if CBU need to add 30%… so go figure actual price of exora without tax as well as other MPV… need to add more if more than 1799 cc..

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  • Ahmed on Dec 22, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Proton lagi…. No point la…… Get a life bros…”……..

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    • udasalleh on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:23 pm

      It seems that it is u that needs to get a life. If u hate Proton so much why even bother reading this thread about Proton let alone post a comment on it. Do u feel an urge automatically to read thing that you hate? Do u feel compelled to give negative comments to whatever you find in disagreement? Coz I don’t see any constructive critism on your part to help better Proton. I don’t see you offer your motoring expertise to help them excel. There must be something deeply wrong in your life if you hate something yet you indulge such precious time and effort towards it.

      ‘Nemo vir est qui mundum non reddat meliorem’… translated says ‘What man is truly a man who does not make the world better’.

      Seriously bro… u need to get some serious profesional help… i mean a psychiatrist.

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    • Joe Radzif on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:36 am

      nkao lagi…
      sibuk je kat sini
      tak suka bole blah…

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  • i hate iphone on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    test drive oledi.. well done p1 :)

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  • Let’s wait and see what perodua going to do with their alza

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    • peYno on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      they will jilat bontot daihatsu tu let them use daihatsu turbocharge engine and STILL USING 4AT GB…

      but daihatsu said.. bye2.. we want to concentrate new comact market in Indonesia.. much bigger market compared to mesia bolehland

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  • inderaloka on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Hebat!! Excellence!!

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  • Fuuber on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Looks nice on the outside. Most people will buy it for power, tempted to drive it over the national speed limit and maybe even attempt to over-take bigger engine cars n sports cars.

    Low boost turbo so that the CVT does not die too quickly?

    After 7 adults sit in, I wonder whether the shock absorbers will sink like the Saga?

    Most people test drive with just the driver with minimal load.

    Exora has always been a solid car, the fuel consumption, I bet nobody wants to publish anything negative…..if it is good, everyone will write about it.

    Saw Livina carrying 6 big adults…..seemed ok.

    Innova, not many on the road. But looks bigger.

    Automatically kill the resale value of earlier exoras : (

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    • deftones on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:20 pm

      why are u looking on negative side..look positive bro..
      if u think like that, u dont have to put a comment here..wasting the database..seriously

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      • Fattee on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:58 pm

        hmm, a pot calling the kettle black. And what may I ask is your helpful comment.

        obviously u do not seem to be an owner of a 1.6 exora.

        well, it is great when there is only 2 adults.

        Be positive lar, not all comments will be palatable to everyone, that is why it is called a blog mah.

        Ha ha ha, cheers to you.

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    • istvan on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:02 am

      other car also sink when put full load…saw Nisan Sylphy sink also with full load.

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      • canon ball on Dec 24, 2011 at 11:31 pm

        Thats why if Exora dun sink it become special mah.

        Haiya….

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        • titan on Jan 15, 2012 at 3:37 pm

          if u don wanna sink just change a set of adjustable suspension but the bump really hard lar..

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    • squall_shinoda on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:12 am

      That turbo is tuned to provide boost from lower rpm because the low-end torque is the critical factor in an MPV. Plus, most driving conditions daily only require low rpm. Thirdly, the Punch Powertrain CVT gearbox requires maximum operating engine speed to be limited to 6,000 rpm only.

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      • Mator on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:13 pm

        hmmmm, normally turbo need some min speed before kick-in becos if it is hot all the way…the minyak also burn all the way

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        • squall_shinoda on Dec 24, 2011 at 7:35 pm

          Of course la, because a turbocharger still got its own inertia. Therefore, the turbo only kicks in after reaching its own minimum operating speed. The turbo used in the CFE engine is relatively small, so that’s why the boost comes at low RPM and the horsepower increase is not much compared with the ah beng-made turbo Exoras.

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    • SukaTgkOrg on Dec 30, 2011 at 5:11 am

      i owned the first Gen Exora.. all i can say is Exora driving is even smoother with more people in it.. of course la the absorber will sink ..but it sink nicely.. have u seen a fully loaded Wish or stream? they pointed upward . the only down side with the first gen is the rear brake are drums..so it will take some hard pressing to stop… but this new one brakes are all disc brake..

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  • ajim1Malaysia on Dec 22, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    menanti kererta sedan dengan berinjin exora ini.. pastinya superbbb!!

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  • Looks much better than the current Exora but the steering is a big big let down ….. value for money

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  • Danny, godd review. I tested the Exora Bold 1.6 Premium CVT with my wife twice this week. We would be booking one only mid-next year. Hopefully by then it would be a good enough time-frame to gauge the reliability of engine, gearbox and other aspects. Also, maybe can get some discounts by then, haha. Maybe by then Proton would fit a better brand of tyres.

    Did you happen to ask the Proton guys any of the following?
    – would a Black colour option/more colour options be available next year?
    – possible for those to have the option to install the touch-screen double din unit found on the Prime variant to the Bold variants?
    – Surely an SE version would be coming in future?

    thanks

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    • Sober on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:48 pm

      ……good for you.

      By looking at the tyres, we are already know……budget constraint?

      Wondering, what else might have been similarly “affected”?

      They should stick with a 5 auto speeder.

      Proton mass producer….dont really have time to look into everyone’s convenience.

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    • Danny Tan (Member) on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:51 am

      No, I didn’t ask any of those. This December baby can be considered a 2012 car, so the spec and colours should remain for some time, but no harm asking your dealer if it’s possible.

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  • Rotiboy on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Perfect van for the roti man. Cap kepala kucing.

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  • power windows. Anyone? hahaha

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  • it should be compared against stream and wish.. those are sell 90k if without tax.. stop pretending to be as worthy as other car proton

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    • but then exora wd be much cheaper without tax.

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    • Dude, how can u compare it to Wish & Stream.. r u sure abt your justification? Hehheeheh……Please don’t compare Apple to Orange

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    • MoFaz on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:03 am

      if exora without tax, it could be around RM40-50k only laa.. or you go buy stream or wish in langkawi la.. you can buy innova there from RM70-80k.

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      • MrDDR on Dec 25, 2011 at 11:02 pm

        innova langkawi highest spec is 78k. Exora prime 86k. you cannot buy 40-50k for exora in langkawi. If you want to compare with innova that cheaper for around 10k than you should compare with 10k higher that is stream, wish and Grandis.

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    • is it? because according to proton.. it’s 75k at langkawi and labuan.. exora is without tax.. without import tax.. talk bout apple and orange.. throw away the box first and talk bout the thing it self..

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      • MoFaz on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:58 am

        even without tax, price in langkawi is high because dealers take higher profit margin due to small market. they can only sell few cars a month. take prius hybrid for example, it’s just RM70K in USA but almost RM140K here even without import and excise duty on hybrid cars. they need to pay RM10K for AP and 10% sales tax, how come the price jump so much??

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        • you’re right.. it’s the market that cause a car value.. so has it got anything to do with the car being good or bad then?

          and i’m just curious.. if foreign car makes are making more profit margin and paying AP and tax and whatever.. which means the original cost of the car is even lower… so why can they chunk out stuff at a lower cost and might still be better? the bigger gap between cost and sales of foreign car actually shows how much better they are..

          assume both A and B is same quality

          Product A
          Value:100
          ++:10
          Earn:20
          Selling:130

          Product B
          Value:80
          ++:20
          Earn:40
          Selling:140

          So B produce the same quality as A while using same value? which ones better? and did i mention? A is local and B is foreign.. cost should be cheapest..

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          • MoFaz on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:45 pm

            let’s say A is local, which produce a similar quality car as B, and B is global player. look at the volume, if A only produce tens of thousands, the cost per car could be higher than B because B has better economy of scale by producing hundreds of thousands. also, B is making a car in a country where they could get cheap labours.

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    • actually.. forget what i said.. lets just put this down in labuan, since they are all there they should be the most isolated market, it’s a fair place (i guess)

      Exora:75K
      Stream: 93K
      Freed:80K
      Avanza 1.5: 56K
      Innova: 78K
      Perodua: 60K

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  • I don’t need an MPV for now but hope the P3-21A will be given similar engine and 0-100 km/h performance below 9.0 sec. With our undulating terrain and narrow country road we need car with sufficient power and pick-up to have an enjoyable ride.

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    • aero_solitude on Dec 25, 2011 at 5:21 am

      Now I have the same thinking as well..looking forward for a super sedan coming in from proton. CFE concept and capabilities certainly is tempting by all means

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  • jawabandar on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Hmm..The meter panel looks dull and too simple.Cheap.

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    • cuba tgk merce punya

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    • Org Jawa memang bangang!

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      • ezracopters on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:03 pm

        i am not related to any Javanese. but please don’t be an arsed. it is bad enough Java in Indonesia acting like they do to us in Malaysia, while Java in Malaysia always being nice and good, let it stay that way. that is one unnecessary slur.

        jawabandar only said it look dull & cheap, well i’m a huge supporter of Proton but i don’t mask my judgement by an ignorant. it do look dull & cheap. i hopeproton can touch up on those later.

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      • ezracopters on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:11 pm

        i am not related to any Javanese. but please don’t be an arsed. it is bad enough Java in Indonesia acting like they did in any related issues to us, Malaysian. while Java in Malaysia always being nice and good, let it stay that way. that is immature & one unnecessary slur. majority of us, Malaysian are better than your 3rd world antic-mind and i certainly do not agree to put myself on the same lumpenproletariat sinking ship as ur on.

        Jawabandar only said the meter panel look dull & cheap, well i’m a huge supporter of Proton but i don’t mask my judgement by an ignorant. it do looks dull & cheap. i hope proton can touch up on those later.

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      • dean's list again on Dec 24, 2011 at 1:10 am

        no racicm hoi!! are you a john terry wannabe?

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        • biskut on Dec 30, 2011 at 11:13 am

          oit, luiz suarez la.
          tony fernandes sudah bilang itu john terry is innocent until he’s proven guilty

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  • sutheshkumar on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    “With the addition of a turbocharged engine and more kit, it’s easier to forget that the Exora Bold is not a rival to the Mazda 5, Honda Stream, Peugeot 5008 and gang, but an RM80k MPV that fights cars like the Toyota Avanza and Nissan Grand Livina.”

    Yeah, say that to the UK counterparts. Like it or not, those cars mentioned earlier is the one which will be tested along the Exora. Already the current one, which one unit is in UK for testing purpose was given one out of five stars. Lets hope for a good news here, at least for the engine.

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    • Don Juan De Marco on Dec 22, 2011 at 11:52 pm

      I wouldn’t want to give too much credit to what UK people say about a lot of things these days…. A lot of them are now a depressed & frustrated people so when you ask them about anything now, you will hear complaints complaints complaints

      Please stop your obsession over the “no longer in existence” British supremacy

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      • sutheshkumar on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:48 pm

        Are you sure its only them who are complaining? Arent we Malaysians equally the same when comes to this as well? I am not obsessing over their supremacy, I am just laying out simple facts. This car is not designed only for the local consumption and if we really want the best out of it, get it done properly at the first place. I am not saying this is a rubbish car; I am a fan of the Exora but putting the car out with the mind of it beating rivals which is not available in all the markets, is just absurd.

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    • ezracopters on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:19 pm

      hmm.. althou i love UK Top Gear, but camon..really..these days British supremacy means nothing anymore, let alone their opinion which mostly bias. UK Top Gear was fun to watch not coz of their professional views but rather coz of their silly and antic manner on the show, haha a British who stood on their dignified..some of us still might cling to the old-colonial memory.

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  • Gavin on Dec 22, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Lots of the engine has parts built for reliability, the oil cooler and forged parts,

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  • ya ya …SE, i’m thinking that too by next year.

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  • peynof**k on Dec 22, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    nice job by proton..keep it up…

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  • go for japan technology… trust grand livina…superb engine with only 1.6 hrde engine

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    • peYno on Dec 22, 2011 at 11:44 pm

      i believe u never drive real Japanese JDM car..then u will find ASEAN 2nd class japs car is suck ..

      prrrtfhh

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      • PeYn0 Fanz on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:50 am

        bRO..youre back..well done..

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      • peYno says:
        22/12/2011 at 11:44 pm
        i believe u never drive real Japanese JDM car..then u will find ASEAN 2nd class japs car is suck ..

        prrrtfhh

        Bro, totally agreed with u……

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    • akina on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:52 am

      tc salesman spotted

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    • amarz on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:18 am

      Grand Livina not Japan tech … but Renault tech, Nissan no more have engine … that why majority owner GL & current Nissan car is Malay … others still stick to T & H because fear resale value …

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      • lemon on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:06 am

        nth to do with race plz……….

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      • swoosh3553 on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:19 am

        bro… why lar “Malay” word comes in? What has that got to do with cars? Starting a racist or political issue here? Dun lar… we are petrolheads and automotive freaks…and we love each other for our passion in cars and Paultan. Malaysia…peace yo!

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      • azrai on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:34 am

        Another Suarez in the making here??

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    • Grand Livina 1.6???? Only 150NM torque and that also at 4400 rpm????

      Bold is sooooooooo much better than this.

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  • Good job proton..cant wait for p321a..surely fitted with this engine…sure sedap driving everyday..not to mention can tapau those lancer gt too…fuyooo

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  • arch747 on Dec 22, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    No thanks. I pick Kia/Naza Rondo over Exora any day.

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  • 1malaysia2020 on Dec 22, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    One good thing I can say is your review is getting better now Danny. It felt more honest and it covers all the angles (especially when dealing with tough crowd like us 1Malaysian). A good combination of technicals, laymans and opinions tailored to Malaysian readers. I want to see more of this in your future reviews.

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  • tm_guy on Dec 22, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    ade satu info, try confirm dgn powertrain team later…

    CFE ni pakai iridium spark plug, not a conventional spark plug…

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    • buatkereta on Dec 24, 2011 at 7:49 pm

      tm_guy
      Yes, CFE use iridium spark plug for better performance.

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  • johorean on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:30 am

    this car actually fits most of the ppl in early and late age.. it got serious face and power, and at same time elegance and family fit purposes.. even the young should drive it proudly

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  • Mane intercooler?

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    • Garfield on Dec 23, 2011 at 3:34 am

      Front LHS (RHS is you looking from the front of the engine bay)

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  • RedBeanBun on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:41 am

    now since when close to RM100K for a car in Malaysia sounds like so affordable to a house hold…..???

    is that the reason so many bankrupts with RM30K loan default?

    I mean, that’s RM100K!!!! U$30K! My last check MAZDA5 is less than U$30K in USA.

    RM100K i think is at least 2-3 years salary of many people, but u$30K is probably 5 months-1 Year salary to USA people.

    Are we getting numb or obsessed to pay so much for a Car? RM100K becomes reasonable now? OMG..

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    • PakAbu on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:52 am

      My answers:

      1) It’s an illusion.
      2) Most probably. Credit card too.
      3) Definitely yes.
      4) It’s an illusion.

      :mrgreen:

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    • oligopoli on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:40 am

      we cannot buy a car in USA and take it back to Malaysia without paying any tax, can I?

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      • PakAbu on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:17 am

        I don’t think he’s trying to compare our car prices with the states …. that one…. we win hands down….. we are more expensive…. don’t need to compare anymore. It baffles everyone…

        More importantly… he’s pointing out that compared to how much (or little) we are earning, a so-called “affordable” car is actually not that affordable. Yet we don’t care…. RM100k is like peanuts… as if everybody’s earning… I don’t know…. 20k per month?

        That’s double whammy…. we are paying more…. yet earning less. Of course, then somebody will point out that our income tax is lower…. our petrol is cheaper…. we get free pocket money …. it’s endless…. our public transport is world class… our airport is world class… we have best budget airline…. we have two F1 teams…. our football team is world champion…. we have the best teh tarik in the world…. nothing beats our nasi lemak ….. business as usual….

        :mrgreen:

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        • RedBeanBun on Dec 24, 2011 at 3:56 pm

          the tax is not low at all if you compare the value of the Ringgit world wide.

          RM150K will be tax max at 23%. That value is $50K, and S$60K.

          Now check out that is the range of the tax range for those number.

          If there is no PKFZ, NFC, Toyo, White-Hair-Sarawakian, we can survive without even taxing import car as a source of income, and can build 1st class local public transport, and 1st class train from Thailand-Malaysia-Singapore.

          I have not even include the sub, handbags, another round of fighting ships, falling stadium, always leaking Parliament….

          The country is rich..oh wait…what is our National Debt again? anyone aware that will be a problem? DO everyone really think free money given to all house hold and student is a good idea? its similar to credit card scheme, where it needs to be paid back down the road..that is why our education systems remain, so generations of people do not know how the G works, and think money can be printed without effect to the whole nation.

          Merry Xmas while we are can still enjoy, USA, Europe, even AU economic started to erode, but we think MY wont get effected.

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      • Donkey Kong on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:10 pm

        In M’sia a lot of car dealers sneak in the cost of spares and servicing in the purchase price of the cars, so that’s how you can buy a car for RM80k and spend RM400 for a regular service, or RM2k for a major service.

        In comparison, a car might cost US$20k in the United States, but the cost of a regular service could be US$200. The cost of a major service can easily hit US$4k-5k. That’s why most guys in the US learn how to do minor service in their own garage.

        But us being typical Malaysian consumers with short-term vision, we only look at the purchase price and not the TCO.

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        • rush hour on Dec 24, 2011 at 3:34 pm

          in UK the cost for wheel alignment and 4 wheel balancing is like 100 sterling pounds, or like RM700 to us.

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    • NazzGlenmarie on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:03 pm

      so how much the price that u think would be reasonable?? 40k?? myvi lagi 1.5 lagi bulat lagi best also 60k already..

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  • nabill on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:47 am

    im i the only one who finds the number plater funny?? 458 as in 458 italia ?!!

    nice review…..the cvt makes the drive effortless thus not requring to rev the nuts out of it….

    wonder if it willl be offered in a manual spec??

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  • sick&tired on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:48 am

    i would love to see a comparison between the kia rondo and the proton exora bold. I personally would go for the Kia Rondo (with bodykit). But if between Exora Bold,Livina, Avanza & Alza then the Exora would be my choice.

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  • Proride on Dec 23, 2011 at 2:45 am

    Which colour look nice Elegant brown or genetic silver…cant find another colour other than elegant brown at show room…

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  • Redrules on Dec 23, 2011 at 3:04 am

    Would like to know the service interval as well as estimated cost per service for this car. Many turbocharged contis have longer service interval ie 10k and so on.

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    • Garfield on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:08 pm

      Had a peek at the service book. It’s every 10K

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      • Redrules on Dec 24, 2011 at 4:08 am

        Wow, another plus point, cost saving and less frequency going for servicing. Thanks.

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  • hi danny, somebody point out one of exora bold break down on east coast highway, didnt catch up the news coz when ur team arrived at hyatt, i saw all 10 cars (5 bold cfe, 5 flx se) arrived at the same time. Only managed to talk with few of media delegation, but none of them mentioning about the break down. Maybe some input from u.

    I know that u guys really try out the cars performance since few of you guys did test it to the max, some of driving flx se drive it at 180-190kmh n at high speed all the way ec highway, dunno how fast u guys drive bold cfe coz didnt catch up with those who r driving bold, n u already swapping cars from hyatt to tanjung jara.
    If i not mistaken all of delegation start off around 10 am from coe n arrived at hyatt around 1.15 pm, which for me, quite fast coz i heard u guys already had another stop before arrived there.

    Didnt catch u up over there since u guys only stop there temporarily for lunch there n quit bz chatting with the pwrtrain guys. Hope to meet u in person in the future. Since u already driven bold on the highway, how high u managed to top with cfe bold? Since one mentioning during speeding flx se @ 190kmh, bold cfe still infront of them. Just curiousity :-)

    Tq.

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    • Danny Tan (Member) on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:29 am

      Doing illegal speeds cannot publish for the world to know. Let’s just say that the car is capable of reaching its claimed top speed, and perhaps some more :)

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      • mizzuddin945 on Dec 23, 2011 at 4:37 pm

        most people can’t apprehend…

        always complain this one underpower, that one take forever for century sprint…
        later say driving 120km/h is illegal…

        sometimes people just simply “mengada-ngada”…
        faham-faham sudah la… why so skema..?

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    • oligopoli on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:38 am

      wah danny, is that the perk for being a journalist? ;-) maybe you can twist the sentences a bit so we know what it feels at high speed with exora and flx without you saying it was you behind the steering? ;-)

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  • still people talking about 300% tax. Gov already revise the tax structure in 2005 n implemented it 2006 onwards. Refer to www.maa.org.my for the tax structure table, n www.customs.org.my for the computation of excise duty.
    All local cars need to pay local taxes@excise duty. There is no more rebate from 2006 onwards. U can see the diff is only 10% for ckd, n 30% for cbu. Remember,its not direct calculation, refer to customs website on computation.

    Its hard to find the data omv(open market value) of cars or also known as base price of cars (excluding all taxes n dealer profit)in malaysia, the easiest way is to look at our neighbour, singapore. U can go to www.onemotoring.com.sg to look at omv of cars.

    I just select only few, u can refer to onemotoring for full list. If u look at the price, u do your own computation by refer to customs website n maa, then u will know how much is the estimation of dealer profit of car ,manufacturers in malaysia. Still smiling when somebody said u can get jetta with the same price of saga in free tax in malaysia. All the prices are in singapore dollar n exchange rate is about 1 sgd= rm 2.43, for more accurate, just google for currency exchange. All the data is omv dated november 2011.

    Exora m-line auto 1.6 cps = 13390 sgd
    wish 1.8 cvt = 21503 sgd
    vw touran tsi 1.4 at it32b4 fl = 21970 sgd
    pug 3008 1.6 auto std(non turbo) = 23801 sgd
    pug 3008 turbo 1.6 adventure = 24382 sgd
    honda jazz 1.3L at = 19842 sgd
    honda civic 1.8L 5at = 26118
    corolla altis 1.6 at = 14738 sgd
    jetta 1.4 tsi at 1622gs = 18538 sgd

    so, if bold cfe sold in singapore, the omv@base price can be estimated around 14500 sgd +-

    yup,the tax are high in malaysia (cant blame them 100% coz it is one of country’s source of income), but the truth is our local also pay tax, the protection is already really less compare to previous structure.

    If u look at the omv figure, even corolla altis 1.6 at(sedan) is expensive than exora m-line 1.6 at (mpv), n u cannot buy jetta at saga price in tax free world. So, open ur eyes, learn the truth, even it hurts.

    And afta is only about free import tax,not the whole tax, n only product made in or manufactured in asean countries (excluding japan, korea, europe n etc) that entitle to get free import duty from any asean country.

    So,there is no tax free world in the world my friend, but if u look at singapore tax structure, i believe we are paying less than them.

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    • rafieldo on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:54 am

      The tax structure in Singapore is in different league, where the land is limited, the parking space is limited, thus to discourage people buying excessive cars they impose high tax.. Look at Thailand as comparison, and they sell Honda City at merely RM 50k+ if convert the baht to RInggit… And we are selling Honda City @ rm 85k here, where do the 30k went to?

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      • Sir, Honda Cicty i believed assembled in Thailand, of the Japanese biggest assembly hub in South East Asia. There goes your Rm30k. Transportation? Tax? and stuffs.

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      • well..like u said, we and Thailand also same, “where the land is limited…..”..=P
        so base on your logic, ours should be higher than Thailand..

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      • Mahmud on Dec 23, 2011 at 3:36 pm

        Went to the dealer lah, power of branding can up the car price.

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    • MrDDR on Dec 23, 2011 at 2:58 pm

      Exora also have been tax. In fact all proton have been tax also. How many per sent? When i checked with EON Langkawi, price different only RM3k for exora bold premium. So exora only been tax for 3.75%. What i understand is sales tax already 10%(Exsais duty?). So Exora not only been tax for less but also receive government subsidy. Just my 2 sen. TQ

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  • still people talking about 300% tax. Gov already revise the tax structure in 2005 n implemented it 2006 onwards. Refer to www.maa.org.my for the tax structure table, n www.customs.org.my for the computation of excise duty.
    All local cars need to pay local taxes@excise duty. There is no more rebate from 2006 onwards. U can see the diff is only 10% for ckd, n 30% for cbu. Remember,its not direct calculation, refer to customs website on computation.

    Its hard to find the data omv(open market value) of cars or also known as base price of cars (excluding all taxes n dealer profit)in malaysia, the easiest way is to look at our neighbour, singapore. U can go to www.onemotoring.com.sg to look at omv of cars.

    I just select only few, u can refer to onemotoring for full list. If u look at the price, u do your own computation by refer to customs website n maa, then u will know how much is the estimation of dealer profit of car ,manufacturers in malaysia. Still smiling when somebody said u can get jetta with the same price of saga in free tax in malaysia. All the prices are in singapore dollar n exchange rate is about 1 sgd= rm 2.43, for more accurate, just google for currency exchange. All the data is omv dated november 2011.

    Exora m-line auto 1.6 cps = 13390 sgd
    wish 1.8 cvt = 21503 sgd
    vw touran tsi 1.4 at it32b4 fl = 21970 sgd
    pug 3008 1.6 auto std(non turbo) = 23801 sgd
    pug 3008 turbo 1.6 adventure = 24382 sgd
    honda jazz 1.3L at = 19842 sgd
    honda civic 1.8L 5at = 26118
    corolla altis 1.6 at = 14738 sgd
    jetta 1.4 tsi at 1622gs = 18538 sgd

    so, if bold cfe sold in singapore, the omv@base price can be estimated around 14500 sgd +-

    yup,the tax are high in malaysia (cant blame them 100% coz it is one of country’s source of income), but the truth is our local also pay tax, the protection is already really less compare to previous structure.

    If u look at the omv figure, even corolla altis 1.6 at(sedan) is expensive than exora m-line 1.6 at (mpv), n u cannot buy jetta at saga price in tax free world. So, open ur eyes, learn the truth, even it hurts.

    And afta is only about free import tax,not the whole tax, n only product made in or manufactured in asean countries (excluding japan, korea, europe n etc) that entitle to get free import duty from any asean country.

    So,there is no tax free world in the world my friend, but if u look at singapore tax structure, i believe we are paying less than them…

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    • mastermind on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:06 am

      oNE more be ready scrap ur car for 5 years shelf life….if gov reducing the car tax structure…
      n dont forget car tax structure down..other tax will cover the gomen lost…
      like personal tax increase to 30%-40% GST tax ..bla bla,, bla…
      road tax increase …petrol subsidised cut off…toll increase..
      parking rate increase…n dont forget high road crashes rate also increase….
      no more car hire purchase buy by cash term only…

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    • Blame our government for the middle-income trap and corruption, not for the car price.

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      • mastermind on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:41 am

        Idont think we blame government is the best answer…
        but what should we do is passing our ideas to government consider new policies…
        n try implement its…

        Blame means suspicious is’t????No point and not solving the problems..but for the time better policies focus on food,housing.public transports…than focus on reducing tax on vehicle …we need food more than car…

        Yes i agree on reducing tax on car but the implementation must rational…see the priority first…like economic principle “opportunity cost” we do this we left other….be
        rational when made comparison….

        Singapore=Autoritarian
        Malaysia=half democracy..
        Saudi Arabia=monarchy

        so,Malaysia difficult to change the policy than Sing. and Saudi Arabia…that why better change political system to monarchy….

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    • Loneranger on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:59 am

      Mat,

      u gave a good explanation to them bout tax structure and car prices outside Msia. really appreciate it but do u think they care coz for they dun even care to calculate all that…..

      Mastermind,

      did post almost the same answer like u gave but end up these bashers said that am strong BN supporter…..bashers will never see it at the economy point of view….less tax here, higher tax for the other part…

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    • 1malaysia2020 on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:09 am

      Well explained…nothing to add on the tax structure comparison between M’sia and Singapore…sometimes, we are blinded by the old facts that our imported cars are taxed at 300% (which is like many-many years ago). Currently our tax structure is much much better (30% import, 90% excise, 10% sales). I think government is also being fair to everybody (whilst protecting local brand) by encouraging CKD. Naza is taking this opportunity by making Peugeot more affordable. Even luxury brand like Merc and BMW have lower price point compared to years ago. Yes, our car related taxes is still among the highest (made even worse with our currency value) but at least we dont pay a very high income tax.

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  • Berbaloi tunggu 3 tahun…model cps minyak kuat macam innova…guna innova 2 thun shj dan sdah jual,akan book exora prime sbb ikut spec minyak jimat dan pick up bagus.

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  • Nizam80 on Dec 23, 2011 at 6:32 am

    Danny,

    Will you be posting any test drive review of the Saga FLX SE? I would like to know what you have to say about it.

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  • XC70XC on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:12 am

    It does look good for a MPV. Proton has come a long way since its first MPV, the boxy Juara. One can’t hardly fault the overall package but the pricing of RM80k is just way too much but of course this has to be seen in the context of the Malaysian car market. Unfortunately it is not a value for money for all local car owners. A similar $80k over here can buy a brand new 7 seater Volvo XC90 D5 R-Design with almost all the tasty options such as electric sunroof, towing kit, BLIS, rear air-con, laminated security screens & heated seats. Standard stuff included active bi-xenon cornering lights with washer jets, R-Design 19″ alloys and bodykits, 12 speakers Premium sound and leathers. This is just to show the purchasing power and the disparity of car costs.

    The Exora is expected to be shipped here according to my conversation with the local Proton MD. But there is a snag for the Exora Bold. There is a mandate for all new cars registered in 2012 to have electronic stability control (ESC) as standard. One state has even mandated it in 2011 but exempted cars introduced before 2011. Even that is only a one year reprieve as all new cars registered in 2012 must have ESC. Proton cars will not be eligible to be registered in 2012 due to this. No ESC, no registration. That is why you noticed that Honda Jazz has the ESC as standard even in Malaysia for model year 2011. This is the reason. Now the safety authorities are promoting to the public to demand curtain airbags for their new cars. So wouldn’t be surprised to see curtain airbags installed as standard in all cars. Two airbags are so last century. My relative’s MY2011 Nissan Micra ST has 6 airbags and ESC even on the base model. The safety standard has move on and Proton should invest more in it. Please make it a compulsory and don’t just use cost as an excuse. Even you can’t get it in a Highline model. Remember that the Waja has 4 airbags as standard on the export model which we get it here. Looks like life is cheap in Malaysia. Proton can hastily add ESC on the models for 2012 since it is just merely an electronic module and works in tandem with ABS. But why do I have the feeling that such item will not see the light of day in Malaysia, its home country. Seeing a Proton here makes me think of Malaysia but I wouldn’t buy one. Not when compared to my current car which has 6 airbags, ABS and STC. Still very much in touch with the safety aspect for a car close to 10 years old.

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    • squall_shinoda on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:58 am

      You know how flip-flop the government is – talking shit about making laws requiring ESP in 2012 but then no action being done. In the end, they’ll delay the enforcement again and again. That’s why many new cars here still don’t have ESP yet, including Honda City, Toyota Vios, Nissan Grand Livina, etc. If you talk about Honda Jazz having ESP, it is already there because the Honda Jazz being sold here is a CBU unit from Thailand. In the end, it is all the government’s fault for not being serious when enforcing laws regarding automotive industry including automotive safety. But when it comes to laws to arrest crowds of people in so-called “illegal rallies”, they enforce them so damn fast.

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    • oligopoli on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

      still, you are not comparing the car price in Malaysia context. Don’t know what exora price at your place, but comparing Exora with the $80k Volvo XC90. Yeah, if only that volvo price RM80k here in Malaysia, people won’t even talk about exora.
      Somehow, i get tired of people still comparing car price in malaysia and elsewhere. That is the policy that we cannot do anything about la friend (apart from vote in PRU) – generally speaking.

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      • XC70XC on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:14 am

        It is relevant comparison as it is done at one dollar to one ringgit level. Dismiss all the forex stuff. You earn dollars, you spend dollars just as you earn ringgit and you spend ringgit. So you spend RM80k+ for Exora Bold, I take the $80k+ here. The cheapest 7 seater you can get here is the Kia Rondo which you known as Naza Citra but the Citra is based on the Kia’s 1st gen. It costs $26k here. Even if you take the forex, it is still cheaper than Exora Bold.

        A family member works in a bank as an officer. So say salary of $3k a month and let you take a bank manager in Malaysia taking in at least RM6k a month. This family member drives a Mini Cooper based on the salary and I doubt a bank manager can afford that. So even doubling the salary comparison can’t bring parity. Remember we pay more income tax here and lesser in Malaysia as many would attest.

        The regular petrol here is about $1.35/L on average as the prices goes up and down everyday. Still cheaper than the subsidised RM1.90/L if apply the one dollar to one ringgit rule. Road tax is about $500/year but it applies to all types of engine displacement. So you pay the same if you drive a 1.8L Toyota Corolla or a 6.0L V8 Holden Commodore SS. Cars 25 years or older can be registered under club plates for $120/year.

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        • mirror mirror on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:09 pm

          I think what you meant is a dollar or RM3.00 ($1 = RM3.00) can buy you more stuff in America compared with what RM3.00 can buy in Malaysia?

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        • I guess you have not taken into account the hidden costs of selling an XC90 at the current price at your place. Either your country has lots of minerals (gift from god?), has a very good geographical location (also a gift from god), or has developed much earlier than Malaysia. Many countries in the third category are promoting trade practices that are deemed fair to themselves, but which are hardly so for many developing nations. If they have been really fair, we will probably have seen most of their financial organizations, good employees, production facilities shifting elsewhere. Many of them are also advocating wars to protect the supply of resources that they need. You can see how many thousand of people have died because of their support (some of them might not have participated directly in the wars themselves). Basically, what is being enjoyed is built upon the lack of fairness to and the flow of blood of many people outside the country you are residing in. If you take these hidden costs into account, you will probably not be so proud. Just my humble opinion.

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        • in reality we cannot just forget about tax, currency, lifestyle etc. it does matter. any comparisons without those things are either invalid or daylight dreaming

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        • MoFaz on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:29 pm

          i believe you’re in Australia, right?
          so, u think Exora will be $80k there? are you that crazy?.. Saga is around RM38-50k here but only $12-16k there! if you convert RM-Aus$.. the price is about the same. i think Exora will be between $25-30k only. and you’re comparing that to a $80k or RM240k car????

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        • dean's list on Dec 24, 2011 at 2:25 am

          You in oz indeed. With all those points about tax, fluctuating price of fuel, the whole idea is to reduce the car on the road and make the city not congested. The idea is to improve public transportation and to utilize it. Remember driving in Perth sighing all the way due to lack of parking space. You always have this alternative whether to buy a car or not. With that kind of advance infrastructure, who need such an expensive car? Consumer there considered smart. That’s why all perks given to lure them to buy. Augmented benefits.
          Here in msia gov want to reduce the number of the car on the road, yet try to sell the car to the consumer at the same time. Paradox. We need to, because we’re a developing country. We have all sorts of people with different opinions about everything. Can’t satisfy everyone.
          Comparing the income regardless the forex. But the whole picture then not sync in tandem. The cause that’s lead to the high or low in price of vehicle here can’t be justified by that. The taxes are to discourage people from buying foreign car. Along come P1 and P2 to fill the gap. P1 vs P2 create innovation, better product, efficiency, and even high Paultan rating hehe.
          Think of job opportunity created, even they are improving. That’s why we have alza and exora. Is it wrong for Malaysia being blatant about saving our own automaker? We don’t want to be SAAB.

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      • Saber on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:26 pm

        Harlo my 1.3 non turbo FL also has 2 airbags…..this speeding turbo exora……should be a little bit better rite?

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  • Earlier, it puzzles me why the Premium CVT uses more fuel per 100 km than the Evecutive AT. But then again, that the price to pay using bigger rim/wheels combo and higher kerb weight. BTW, Danny, does all auto Exora comes with CVT or they came out with 2 version; no CFE normal AT, CFE with CVT?

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    • Danny Tan (Member) on Dec 24, 2011 at 2:55 pm

      You missed out the most vital one in your “price to pay” list: Much better performance! The CPS engine in the Executive AT continues to use the torque converter auto ‘box

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  • TRW Fans on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Alhamdulillah,
    Gaji dah naik tahun depan..ambil Exora Bold sebijik.. memang memenuhi citarasa..

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    • gaji naik, invest lebih. duit hasil dr investment br beli exora bold. br betul

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  • McQueen on Dec 23, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Danny, you mention that a tire swap would be a good investment. Any suggestions as to what tires would be a good choice for this car?

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    • Danny Tan (Member) on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:23 am

      Perhaps a decent touring tyre like the Michelin Primacy LC or Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max…

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      • Lim Tyre on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:12 am

        I dont think GT radial tyre is a big issue here and use our typical user thinking to replace the oe tyre with well known after market brand.I did some search about this tyre and surprisingly it’s not a poor and cheap tyre as you guys might think.its assymmetric & full silica compound tyre which should give both high grip even in wet and also comfort.I think it’s hard to find silica tyre in Malaysia with affordable price range.Test drive this Bold already and all i can say it is proven.

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        • buanaz on Dec 27, 2011 at 2:30 pm

          is this the real lim tyre shop??

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        • Petai on Mar 11, 2013 at 9:10 pm

          Gt Champiro BAX2 tyre is quite good actually. I have driven my Exora bold CFE via Tapah-Cameron Highland road up and down a few time.The grip is good even in wet condition. Quite quiet.(which tyre takde bunyi?)

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  • ayamxxx on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:05 am

    VW, Merz n any other car manufacturer in this world introduce a turbo on their engine and produce a more power but give a good FC.

    BUT this Proton still using a MACAMPRO engine (which is not efficient in design) and put turbo, said 70% parts are new, but nevertheless it had a poor FC.

    Put in mind reader, Proton only release the FC of at 90km/h.
    So if we use in daily life, this car will consume a lot more fuel due to a stop-go drive.

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    • to have good fc then u should go for hybrid cars……

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    • buatkereta on Dec 24, 2011 at 8:31 pm

      Dear ayamxxx
      The EXORA BOLD was passed thru all environment testing. Including Malaysian driving technique, including start-stop and high speed. As i said, the car was retuning for malaysian driver and malaysian enviroment.

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    • please look again at the brochure and the torque graph , its torque is higher than n/a 2.0 engine , climbing high from 0 and get max at 2,000 to 4,000 rpm
      not a surprise fc would be better than cps

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  • SorChai on Dec 23, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I used to be a Proton basher. I hate T&H too for the lousy products sold here.

    For the first time, I think Proton has already outdonw the T&H. Congratulations!

    A fantastic product and I hope will be the first in line of many.

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  • how many people were in the car during the test drive?

    and i noticed in one of the pictures car No 01 (B2603A), you guys had the back window winded down. any reason for that?

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    • Danny Tan (Member) on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:17 am

      Three in the car including me. Window down to take moving shots.

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      • would you feel that the ride(suspension) and engine responsiveness be any different if the car was carrying more ppl (maybe 5-6 ppl)?

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  • Eastar Mystic Black on Dec 23, 2011 at 10:29 am

    NIce Carf! But happy with my Chery Eastar. U guys know about it?

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    • Chinax product Chery Easter?!just horrible ! bad cars like Avanza and Innova are far better than the Easter…

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      • Eastar Mystic Black on Dec 28, 2011 at 9:53 am

        Ok la for the price… Hv you test it? Ppl said “To Love is to know”

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  • interior-out
    exterior-ok

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  • lchan on Dec 23, 2011 at 11:29 am

    what la, all the key features of CFE engine is like BS. a 1.6 engine putting out this amount of torque? Basically its just a change in piston heads and maybe conrods to reduce compression and bolt a turbo. Afraid of the engine’s reliability as it is not designed and built for turbo in mind, the engines output is just not up to par with industrial standard. A proper new engine design should have began after they completed campro. Not sit around patting themselves on the back and suddenly waking up to find that they need to do something as the whole industry is moving towards small cc turbo engines. Proton doesnt seem to have the neck to see into the future like other car manufacturers. Always following from behind and falling behind by at least 10 years.

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    • buatkereta on Dec 24, 2011 at 8:23 pm

      Dear Ichan.
      You were wrong. Making a turbo car is not like what are u saying.
      We have world standard in mind. EURO3 and EURO4 is our target.
      Making a CFE for world market and for variant driving environment is not an easy task.
      But we did it for the best of rakyat Malaysia.
      Be proud to drive EXORA BOLT. Because world standard is in the car.

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  • the price i given is omv, that is open market value @base car price without adding any taxes@tax free at all in singapore, u cannot buy the car at the price mentioned.

    Just want to point out, even in tax free environment, corolla altis 1.6 auto still expensive than exora m-line 1.6 auto, n vw jetta is still far expensive than exora m-line, not to mention with saga, but people in this blog still saying that, if in tax free environment, vw jetta will be the same price as saga. Hopefully everybody get the point.

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    • Satay on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:33 pm

      Hmmm, tax issue govt structure….i think better dont over emphasize.

      Here need to help people get a better feel for the car before putting down 9 years of sacrifice.

      If you have the extra money to pay for petrol, cvt parts replacement, its ok.

      Yes, turbo sure shiok one……definitely go for high speed, zig zag, at the end of the day, we still need to pay our bills.

      For small family, Tuah better choice…coming soon.
      Forget about resale value for Exora when petrol prices up again

      Turbo known to boost oil consumption too.

      Merry Christmas.

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  • maman on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    i wonder what spark plugs are used and what type of engine oil used, whats the service interval of the engine ( after the initial 10k)
    anyone knows?

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  • Aminlife on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Exora BOLD – Tested. I enjoyed driving this MPV.. and Wow..power than previous Exora CPS. Proton should consider CFE engine to the new persona too… Well done, proton.

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  • i think some people didnt understand omv@base price for cars. Haishhh. It is free tax price, and it is in singapore and wont be much higher in cost of insurance n freight in malaysia.
    In langkawi, free import duty n free sales tax. Import duty including import duty+ import excise duty(it is the same % as local excise duty which is only diff term used, but big impact on implementation coz the word ‘import’)
    while being locals as prtn or even perodua, there is no import duty n they have LOCAL excise duty. Only exempted from paying sales tax that is 10% from omv@base car price, not 10% from on the road price.
    So, see the term IMPORT n LOCAL, even only the term, application is different. If u r learning law, n u shud know how interesting fact that even the same thing, but diff term used, it has diff implication

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  • fraz006 on Dec 23, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    praying to god, next sedan model equipped with this OSEM enjin. pleaaaaaaaaaaseeee GOD.. want it badly.. together we eliminate the bashers main point of argument for good..peace, ONE MALAYSIA y’all

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  • i think some people didnt understand omv@base price for cars. Haishhh. It is free tax price, and it is in singapore and wont be much higher in cost of insurance n freight in malaysia.
    In langkawi, free import duty n free sales tax. Import duty including import duty+ import excise duty(it is the same % as local excise duty which is only diff term used, but big impact on implementation coz the word ‘import’)
    while being locals as prtn or even perodua, there is no import duty n they have LOCAL excise duty. Only exempted from paying sales tax that is 10% from omv@base car price, not 10% from on the road price.
    So, see the term IMPORT n LOCAL, even only the term, application is different. If u r learning law, n u shud know how interesting fact that even the same thing, but diff term used, it has diff implication..

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  • LFA LOVER on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    can their put coloured badge on the steering wheel? it would be perfect

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  • mirror mirror on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Tested the car yesterday, this new Exora is quite a decent performer both in terms of power and handling and it feels even safer than the Avanza. However, the quality of its interior fitting is always a major let down for Proton, this car deserves better.

    I must say that Proton has come a long way from those Saga and Wira in the 90’s and if you have not driven a new Proton lately, I think you should. Proton is really not that inferior to some of those cheap Japanese and Korean models they sell in our market. Perhaps then, the Government should consider scrapping those prohibitive taxes on foreign cars and let Proton compete fairly with them.

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  • Y U NO CHANGE THE STEERING WHEEL?!

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    • ezracopters on Dec 23, 2011 at 5:29 pm

      kenapa aku tiba2 terbayang Phua Chu Kang sedang marah ni..dgn kasut kuning sebelah pijk tar sebelah lagi pijak seat exora. satu tgn tunjuk kt stering satu lagi pegang pecungkil gigi. haha.. funny guy he is..

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  • salleh on Dec 23, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Review mentioned Exora can only match Avanza and Livina.
    What a let down and its engine is still lame !!!

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  • mr x70, i dunno where how much rondo in singapore,but exora m-line 1.6 at is at 86720 sgd with coe, but kia cerato forte 1.6 fx is at 96999 sgd with coe, so, sedan versus mpv,n still sedan price is higher than the mpv.dunno still can get rondo over there, maybe old version,not 2nd hand, at given price. Just lazy to google right now is there any new mk for rondo?

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    • I think u r the one who need to know abt omv. Then u understand what he mean. U should realise that in term of ratio, car price for jap car n continental car in my and sg shows that jap dealer in my have quite a hefty margine

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      • Garfield on Dec 25, 2011 at 7:07 am

        Agree on this part. And have mentioned it previously, before being flamed by ppl who disagreed when I said the Japs (or some GLCs) actually greedy enough to put high margin even after tax were lowered in 2006.

        And they conveniently let the gomen take the blame by saying it’s them who set the price everytime…… sish!!!! Don’t wanna wake up just keep yourselves in slumber la ppl……

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  • mr x70, i dunno where how much rondo in singapore,but exora m-line 1.6 at is at 86720 sgd with coe, but kia cerato forte 1.6 fx is at 96999 sgd with coe, so, sedan versus mpv,n still sedan price is higher than the mpv.dunno still can get rondo over there, maybe old version,not 2nd hand, at given price. Just lazy to google right now is there any new mk for rondo?..

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  • John Steele on Dec 23, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Wish everybody n Proton a happy new year.

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