Shahrir: Reduce local content if not competitive

Datuk Shahrir Abdul Samad, chairman of the Backbencher’s Club says if high local content is making Proton not competitive, local content should be reduced.

“If AFTA requires only 40 percent local content, there is no need for us to go up to 90 percent, unless it makes Proton cheaper and more competitive. We have to make a rational decision. If our cars are expensive due to high local content, we need to reduce the price by reducing the local content. They have already been operating for more than 20 years. If the quality of their products is still not up to standard and cannot be exported, they should close down. If they are still not efficient, they should not be in this industry.”

The problem with our locally manufactured components is likely lack of volume which drives component prices up. We also have the problem of incompenent component manufacturers making components without proper QC. I’m sure any Proton owner curses the car’s air cond vents.

If Proton is to be truly competitive, such social responsibility towards local vendors should not be imposed on them. They should be free to source for components anywhere in the world they want, as long as it makes sense. This should give the local components manufacturers a kick in the ass and hopefully they buck up.

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  • Cyrus on Oct 16, 2005 at 8:22 pm

    Datuk Shahrir Abdul Samad : "They have already been operating for more than 20 years. If the quality of their products is still not up to standard and cannot be exported, they should close down. If they are still not efficient, they should not be in this industry.”

    Gosshh… Damm agree wit this statement. This is a real, competitive world, if Proton stil can survive without Govt protection, it needs to be revised…. Look what had they did in the past 20 years and compare themselves with other automobile manufacturer, such as Hyundai and Holden( Australia National car). It is really a shame ..

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  • usmat on Oct 16, 2005 at 8:25 pm

    i agree with datuk shahril,malaysia need to find out what we can do/make very well…if automobile industry we cant succeed, we need to turn to another industry segment that we can be master or can reach global/world class.let to another car manufacturer to sell thier car here with one condition…must build plant here….for job oportunity

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  • eRis-Aeir4s on Oct 16, 2005 at 8:39 pm

    SUPPORT! – TOTALLY AGREEE~

    HE IS THE MAN! – For the sake of all M'sian , that statement is WONDERFUL!

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  • HANG JEBAT on Oct 16, 2005 at 8:57 pm

    SALUTE!!! always support Dato Syarir!!! the real backbancher!!! the one & only oppsition in the party!!!

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  • travis on Oct 16, 2005 at 9:52 pm

    support!!!! trully support syabas!!!

    hopefully they get rid of proton power window supplier and that company which supplies gen2 steering!

    But unfortunately since his a backbencer his views may be sidelined by those cronies, sigh!!!!

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  • blackhead on Oct 16, 2005 at 9:55 pm

    then let's pray that "DR.alphabet" please dun talk too much, he want to bring his little boy until his in coffin, or maybe the little boy gotta sleep inside too without him?

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  • gegaoff on Oct 16, 2005 at 10:55 pm

    giss… this guy really doing great indeed, espcially these few weeks… Datuk Shahrir Abdul Samad , u the MAN of the Month!!

    though this ideal should come out earlier… is time for POTONG to change in BIG…

    cheers…

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  • E-Nabill on Oct 16, 2005 at 11:01 pm

    this is a very good move..less local contents,means higher quality cars,bt its more expensive for proton so thy wil make less money…r thy willing to sacrifice their profits for beter quality cars…..we all hope so…

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  • biothing on Oct 16, 2005 at 11:27 pm

    Hey, if I hear this right, does this imply that Shahril is AGREEEING with Rafidah's action all along.. hmmm

    Just buy Toyota hybridd engine out into Proton, there's wide open market for hybrid out there (OK and turbo-bio-iodiesel) thing

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  • OneOneSix on Oct 17, 2005 at 12:10 am

    Good comment Strong words..however, i doubt dere's gonna be any move fwd from this nor any Implementation foreseeable

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  • Selipar on Oct 17, 2005 at 12:13 am

    if i'm not mistaken, there are approx. 300 vendors for potong alone as mentioned by Tun before in the media (TV3) not a long time ago as compared to only 15-18 vendors for Hyundai. Cost to develop each commercial Gen2 is around RM28k (excluding R&D) as compared to Hyundai Asscent RM18k…see the diference?

    the reason? Tun said the Gov want to help the local vendors in automotive parts manufacturing business….but, most of the vendor supplying low quality parts & products..sigh..

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  • michael lee on Oct 17, 2005 at 12:26 am

    E-Nabill – i suspect that you have missed the earlier contributions – forcing a local content of 90% is actually causing the cars to be more expensive right now. Don't be surprised that foreign sourced components can be much cheaper – but whether you and I can benefit in terms of a more affordable car – now, that is THE question.

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  • just shut down proton lah i dont thik i will miss it

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  • Great Wall Of China on Oct 17, 2005 at 1:06 am

    Change Management…change management…

    call foreigner come….see what's the differences….

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  • just rhetoric after all…

    no actions taken yet…

    i hope the government n da proton open up their mind

    don't be 'jumud'

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  • aksMs on Oct 17, 2005 at 1:51 am

    swee: Easy for you to say. Who's gonna feed some 250,000 employees benefited from Proton? You? CAKAP PAKAI OTAK LA KAWAN!!!

    Anyway, back to the topic. I agree with Micheal Lee as the 90% local content imposed on Proton is what makes the Proton price expensive. Proton could have sell cheaper if they opt for parts made in Thailand and Indonesia as it is cheaper and better in quality. In fact way better than the local vendor can produce. And if I refer this to what Selipar said, Proton could have save a lot! which means, higher profit and more can be spend on R&D.

    That's why I don't blame P1 all the way, the vendors are parts of the big mess that P1 has nowadays. The govt indeed has the intention to help all those local vendors. Unfortunately, most of them are too laid back with the mentality of "the govt is backing us" sort of thinking.

    swee: I will definitely agree with you IF u say shutdown those incompetent vendors.

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  • aksMs on Oct 17, 2005 at 1:53 am

    By the way, anyone read the letter from DrM to Rfd in the newspaper yesterday? what is Rfd up to actually? I smell something fishy. Why is she so stinking one?

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  • E-Nabill on Oct 17, 2005 at 2:46 am

    u wonder y rafida goes in to operation on her leg wen everybody asking her to go to parliment to answer questions!!

    shes taking the government for a ride..i wish to see either our pm or dupty to give her some stern words…she ignores everyting thats asked of her…talk abt that innocent face !!

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  • proton should filter some of the local components that are junks!

    that will made the local vendors know what should they do to compete with others. banzai!

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  • gegaoff on Oct 17, 2005 at 4:29 am

    aksMs, may be becoz she is 'rafidah the bull'?

    cheers…

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  • daniel on Oct 17, 2005 at 4:40 am

    duh.. this move or action should had ben don a looongggg time ago.. oklar, maybe not too long ago.. i mean, is proton people stupid or what? cant they see the real problems thats been making people pissed off of their cars are the small parts made by local vendors? and yet they still use these products.. if the local vendors cant live to the expectations, and still make no quality parts, switch to new ones.. to hell with the govt trying to help the local vendors.. we've helped, they didnt do their best, so fork them, and we swtich to new vendors for the sake of the national automobile.. they come crying and saying we/ve not given them a chance, shoot them in the head.. *cheers. time for a new change.. but first change the defects.. and then think of hybrid or turbo or whatsoever else.

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  • andrew on Oct 17, 2005 at 5:18 am

    "aksMs said,

    October 16, 2005 @ 5:51 pm

    swee: Easy for you to say. Who’s gonna feed some 250,000 employees benefited from Proton? You? CAKAP PAKAI OTAK LA KAWAN!!!"

    kawan, jgn naik marah dulu… sebelum kamu nak reply komen i nie, i suggest u bacalah sedikit sebanyak isu free-trade, takrif dan kuota dan implikasinya. kerana pengetahuan ini akan membantu dalam memahami mengapa syarikat yg tidak berupaya harus di"gulung-tikar"kan.

    benar, 250,000 org mungkin akan kehilangan kerja, tidak bermakna mereka akan terus menganggur sampai mati… mereka akan mencari kerja lain yang mungkin akan memberi benefit yang bukan sahaja lebih memuaskan, malah memberi manfaat kepada semua rakyat Malaysia secara keseluruhannya?

    takkan kerana mahu menjaga mangkuk nasi 250,000 (0.25juta) org pekerja yang benefit from proton, kita sebagai 2,500,000 (2.5juta) rakyat malaysia yang berpendapatan rendah dan tengah (lower to higher-middle income, higher income not included) harus membeli kereta tak berkualiti pada harga yang tidak setimpal, jauh lebih mahal, mahupun membayar cukai pendapatan kepada kerajaan, semata-mata untuk "keep proton alive" dan membayar gaji mereka?

    jadi, sebelum saudara mengemukakan komen dan reply, sebaik-baiknya fahamilah dahulu akan isu free-trade, takrif dan kuota dan implikasinya dan apply it into the proton case dahulu, ya? jikalau saudara tidak faham, i dengan sukacitanya boleh membentang dan menerangkannya kepada semua.

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  • Chorwin on Oct 17, 2005 at 5:18 am

    Supported!!! Just go to source contents from other country manufacturer that offer the lowest price. No need too much take care of local manufacturer as Proton had try to protect and give them business for so many years but they still no any improvement.

    What consumer care about is ———> Cheap car with high quality.

    Why use local contents to produce expensive car…. it not a pratice of business

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  • andrew on Oct 17, 2005 at 5:22 am

    by the way, one will wonder why p1 stil uses the same parts vendor even when their quality sux? how about that some ppl high up in p1's board too are owners/MD or have relative as owners/MD of those parts vendor companies?

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  • im just tired of feeding a lost cause out of my own pocket and my parents before me. im sure many feel the same, thus i feel that i am completely justified in my opinion.

    those 250,000++ workers can go find another job.

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  • or work for perodua! LOLZOR :D

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  • Ihateproton on Oct 17, 2005 at 6:41 am

    Beautifully said!!!

    Proton has a responsibility to the 20million Malaysians not the 30thousand vendors.

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  • sekot on Oct 17, 2005 at 6:42 am

    Kawan, Proton been trying to source their parts from overseas long time ago, since GX project (which is Waja). But, due to govt intervention and the national oblogation they have, thy are forced to buy most of the parts from the local supplier. if they follow perodua way (which by the way source most of the parts and tooling & mould from their parent co – toyota & daihatsu) theyll be having better parts. If G2 gearbox can be bought fr ZF, all air cond parts from denso (instead of apm, sanden, patco), and the spring/suspension from kayaba and german manufacturer i believe that car wouldnt be much problemmatic. And just use good & high quality interior parts from any major supplier (just like toyota did with global purchasing ; Faurecia, Michelin & Continental). We dont mind about good bosch brakes, effective ABS & Airbag from Autoliv/TRW and smooth wiper from Nippon Wiper Blades but please avoid AHP shoddy parts, Tong Yong Rubber swelling weather strip or JRD/AAC rims. We still have Enkei and others with good parts willing to supply.

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  • FULLY AGREE ! Take a way the national pride and social responsibility, make use of VW's supplier, make a common btw. VW and Proton. It certainlly not meet the economic of scale to customise part solely for Proton instead of sharing with other automotive maker. I.e : SMART ForFour, Mitshubishi Colt & Mercedes A-Class sharing teh same chassis, Ford & Mazda Japan share the common part.

    It is time for paradism shift………………..

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  • those vendors are related to those decision makers at proton mah!

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  • Handsfree on Oct 17, 2005 at 7:20 am

    Datuk,, i have my full support…..

    Proton.. is a no no to shut them down… so many family depend on this job….hopefully.. all the management in proton… see big picture..put self interest aside…

    Malaysia need face too……

    think a long term of income is better then short therm..agreed???

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  • Actually Gov own 34.81% of PROTON stake through Khazanah Nasional Bhd and make it a major shareholder. So Gov do have control in the company and final say on the future of PROTON. Maybe that's why the talk between PROTON and VAG still not concluded yet. Even TUV gave a Grade B and C to 90% of PROTON's vendor in term of quality.

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  • sicksense on Oct 17, 2005 at 7:40 am

    Handsfree said,

    October 16, 2005 @ 11:20 pm

    Datuk,, i have my full support…..

    I think you mean he'll have your full support, right? BTW, I guess we will all support any actions that would help makes P1 better for the sake of the people and country.

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  • armandd on Oct 17, 2005 at 8:08 am

    this should have been done a long time ago…

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  • moo_t on Oct 17, 2005 at 8:40 am

    Paul, don't tell me you just learn this yesterday. We all know that so called "local contents" not competitive is because sucharge from the "political grease". So even a "highly price competitive" non-local parts is use, it will cost 5-10 times to Proton, compare to other local car assembler.

    So the Datuk is bullshitting.

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  • moot be more specific ,i am curious and bored! :P

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  • moo_t: of course i knew about this before, but i'm reporting that datuk shahrir, an umno member has expressed the same thing which we all feel.

    datuk shahrir cannot outright accuse the local suppliers of having political grease surcharge, you have to read between the lines a bit.

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  • MutantTomato on Oct 17, 2005 at 9:25 am

    hmmm… its very interesting to see Proton and their working ethics la… they have taken the "three muskateers" motto to the word; all for one and one for all! there must be a reason why proton is not changing their vendors. and please don't give me that bullshit excuse that proton's hands are tied because the vendors know "higher ups" and thus, proton is forced to take stuff form them. its so bovious the same bigwig forkers who control proton are profiting from the vendor business as well.

    why do they care if the car is shoddy? its u n me, the riff raff, who is buying and driving the car! they are chaffeur driven in their mercs and beemers! for what its worth, i can respect rafidah for one reason only; she drives a perdana; well, at least sometimes la! :P but the rest? they dont give a flying fork! they know that the lower to average income people have no other choice than to buy a goddamned proton. and what do they do the moment another marque wants to bring in cars that are competitive to proton's range? scream blood and murder! say that the govt. is not doing enough to protect them! obviously! simply because then the people would have other choices besides the shit from proton!

    thusly, say what you want about perodua; its belongs to toyota/ its is basically using japanese platforms and parts/ it shouldnt be a national car/ etc… perodua, from where you started and to where you are, i totally and fully respect you! i hope you will destroy proton once and for all!

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  • dude… rafidah rides a lexus rx (harrier) ler.

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  • Paul – seconded, lol.

    these government dudes also know where the qualitys at ;)

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  • biothing on Oct 17, 2005 at 5:24 pm

    Someone mentioned Vendors are the culprit! OK that's true, they are not efficient and qualtity is wanting. Proton is the assembly house, but these vendors is key to the 'sum of all parts'. So Proton is not fully to blame, in fact I can be proud of a Car that is produced by Malaysian people, beit it a national car or not national car "status".

    Well, if we import parts, there'll be more APs LAAAAA!!!! For import parts, that is, as it will be "imported". This will make imported parts expensive as well. Who's in charge of of parts AP, well back to MITI and Custom again.

    I am not supporting Rafidah here, but Shahrir is an opportunitist and only think of political mileage! Can't you see? Datuk Shahrir wants Rafidah's job, but then again, will he do the same thing? Easier said than done.

    Q1: If Naza ria only had 18% instead of 40% or 90% whichever benchmark is used, why did they get the status?

    Q2: Bigger!! Let us see who's behind these so called Proton vendors (anyone know who they are) really, and why do they get to supply Proton's bumper for RM600 if we can get better one (unofficial) at RM80.

    These AP issue had raised the prices of imported (and cheaper) cars now. That's the big problem.

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  • MahathirSpeakz on Oct 17, 2005 at 5:33 pm

    I say it was de Govt fault de 1st place. After 20yrs, de side-effect arises. C'mon, time waits for no man. In 20 yrs time if it was monitored & conducted in de rightfull manner (no hanky-panky), all of us wont hv to giv out opinion here criticizing. Instead we wld be talk de goood words thn.

    Now even if u bring in foreigners, it wld still be de same. Rmbr de history of Mit? So wht if VW comes in? They will onli want to widen their market share for god sake! I truly believe M'sian can do it far better if there is transparency & joining hands of de non-bumis. (my 2 cent)

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  • DOG THE WAN on Oct 17, 2005 at 5:50 pm

    Yeah I do agreed wtih Datuk S said, But if only qualified local will supply parts to POTONG, I guess at the end of the day the local content will be less than 40% and not qualify to call NATIONAL car pula.

    For me this statement is good, but the local VENDORS or suppliers are ready or not? Or Is POTONG really sure out sourcing is Cheaper and better quality than current? Nobody knows at the moment.

    Furthermore, if only 30% local and 70% import, then why we still needs National cars? Better buy it from CKD no need to pay R&D development fees and Royalty or maintenance cost. I think it will be much cheaper than Make brand new design.

    This is the same as making our own ENGINE issue. Buy is cheaper than local made and better technologies too if the volume is low. Making our own engine only good if the production volume is High and really investment money for R&D. If not better to buy and Rebadged Mitsubishi Engines or Nissan Renault engine or else see which one offer cheaper price and less warranty issues.

    We buy POTONG only because of the PRICE not because of TECHNOLOGIES or BRAND. The BRAND take years to builds.

    I think inorder to make POTONG cars keep competitive, they should change their internal Mangament like PRODUCTION Control and QUALITY CONTROL first. Just imagine all defect parts were rejected by POTONG QC department and Production workers did their jobs seriously, I don't see any reasons the Quality of POTONG car cannot be IMPROVED. Just they don't know how to control VENDORS therefore now VENDORS control POTONG.

    Only my personal Opinions on this Issue.

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  • Hey.. don't blame all at vendors lah… Proton always want the cheeper price… no. 1… cronies… no.2… under table… no.3… management direction… no.4… so… +-x/= Proton still have to blamed… the car is Proton… not vendor… whatever… blame the G as well… why protect so long and ask rakyat to pay for the damage…

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  • michael lee on Oct 17, 2005 at 6:19 pm

    Generally, many of us have asked questions regarding the vendors – both in terms of the prices that Proton has to pay, as well as the quality of the parts. The answers do not involve nuclear science – any good auditor should be able to tell you the cost structures ( how the price is arrived at ), it should be reasonably easy to compare these to prices from alternative sources, including overseas, and there are people ( like TUV ) who can compare quality. So, IF THERE IS A WILL, there is a way – and this is not difficult.

    Also, just wondering whether some of us have been a bit premature in writing off Datuk as an opportunist – let's tell him loudly that we are following what he is saying, we all want some clear answers, and that we will wait for his next steps before we pass judgement. Anybody know of a better way ?

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  • biothing on Oct 17, 2005 at 6:22 pm

    If current system is maintained, we cannot talk about Proton without AP issue attached to it.

    Case 1: Proton needs AP ' form of govt control'

    Case 2: AP no need Proton re: AFTA, WTO etc where Proton has to survive on its own.

    We don't want AP, then Proton could die. Do we want that to happen, I don't think so, be reallll!!

    Who looses, tepuk sebelah tangan hooo.. Just get rid of overpriced vendors!

    NOW, what is it that we want? CHEAP CARS!! Import of National, don't care..

    HOW, it doesn't matter la. If the duty is to be lowered, then lower it!! We'll have to follow AFTA anyway soon.

    If Custom Docket say the price of car is so and so, follow it. The onus in on the Govt to determine the price of imported cars. If Korean car is cheap, then make it cheap! no 2 ways about it. Even Japanese, Swedish or German car, if it is cheap, cheap it is. UNDER DECLARE?? how to under declare if CUSTOM is the one determining the value of cars, Kia RM18,000 well it cost that much to make, no joke man. It's call economy of scale.

    My greatest regret is that now this basic utility (car) is priced higher and higher. Highest duty paid in the world… easily.

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  • Fizie49 on Oct 17, 2005 at 7:13 pm

    Maaf kerana Saya menulis dalam bahasa Melayu.

    Beginilah, saya perkenalkan diri saya dulu. Saya adalah seorang jurutera R&D Elektrikal yang bekerja dalam syarikat milik orang Singapore. Dahulunya saya bekerja dengan Panasonic sebagai Design Engineer dan sudah design 2 product yang dipasarkan USA. Kepakaran saya adalah designing DSP module for 6 channel audio output (Dolby Pro Logic and Panasonic Own Surround Effect).

    Apa yang saya lihat, orang Malaysia (tidak kira bangsa) mempunyai kepakaran untuk mencipta dan merekabentuk produk asalkan mendapat latihan yang betul, tools yang bersesuaian, persekitaran kerja yang baik, hala tuju yang dapat dicapai dalam masa yang ditetapkan, bayaran yang bagus dan sebagainya. Dalam blog ini apa yang aku tengok kebanyakan orang memberi komen yang mengutuk dan penuh kebencian dan tidak berdasarkan kepada fakta yang tepat. Ingin aku jelaskan di sini, aku ternanti-nanti Malaysia akan mempunyai keupayaan untuk menubuhkan syarikat sendiri dan tidak perlu bergantung kepada pelaburan asing untuk maju. Selama aku bekerja di syarikat milik orang asing (Jepun dan Singapore) aku tidak pernah rasa puas hati kerana aku bukan bekerja untuk negara sendiri, memang kerajaan mendapat sedikit manfaat daripada FDI tapi FDI datang dan pergi. Aku melihat kawan2 aku di syarikat MNC lain terpaksa mengalami kesulitan hidup apabila diberhentikan kerana syarikat tutup (Hitachi, AIWA, Kenwood R&D, etc telah ditutup dan berpindah ke China). Aku terpaksa menghadapi reality bekerja dalam bidang industri yang suatu hari nanti akan tiba giliran aku pula kehilangan pekerjaan. Habih tu aku nak kerja apa lagi, kelulusan memang dalam bidang ni.

    Berbalik kepada isu, sebenarnya local industry di Malaysia kebanyakannya adalah comply kepada ISO standard requirement. Kalau Malaysia tidak mempunyai kepakaran (kejuruteraan dan pembuatan) masakan syarikat asing datang ke sini (mereka ke China hanya kerana kos lebih murah; Philips yang satu masa dulu menutup operasi di Singapura dan pergi ke China kini kembali ke Singapura semula, Sanyo (handphone) telah kembali ke Malaysia, dan dengar ura2 AIWA akan kembali ke Malaysia). Barang2 buatan Malaysia adalah kompetitif dan berkualiti jika hendak dibandingkan dengan barangan buatan China, barangan buatan Malaysia adalah sama sahaja kualiti seperti barangan buatan Jepun dan Korea.

    Malaysia mempunya kelompok professional yang begitu komited terhadap kerjanya dan kesungguhan itu ditunjukkan dalam produk2 yang dihasilkan, tapi sayangnya sumber tenaga ini digunakan oleh syarikat asing yang hanya beroperasi di sini kerana keuntungan sahaja dan teramat kurang menyumbang kepada pembangunan sosial. Malaysia memerlukan syarikat2 industri sendiri supaya dapat menyumbang kepada pembangunan negara di mana para professional berusaha ke arah menjadikan Malaysia maju mengikut acuan sendiri. Mengapa aku berkata begini, kerana semasa aku di Panasonic, semua design ditentukan oleh Panasonic Sales di USA/Japan dan pihak pengurusan di Malaysia sedikit pon tidak berupaya untuk membuat keputusan produk bagaimana yang harus dikeluarkan. Di syarikat yang aku bekerja sekarang pon masih lagi bergantung kepada kontrak oleh Hewlett Packard.

    Berkenaan komen engkorang mengenai rupa cheap plastik, aku rasa korang tak tau yang untuk membuat plastik moulding harganya terlalu mahal (mencecah puluhan ribu ringgit malahan boleh mencecah ratusan ribu ringgit). Aku perhatikan dalam kereta buatan Korea, finishing of the plastic dekat dashboard tu nampak kurang bermutu (Getz, Matrix) dan tidaklah lebih baik dari kereta buatan proton yang terbaru seperti Gen2/Waja malah dashboard Myvi pon tidaklah sehebat mana pon. Kalau korang nak tau lagi, dashboard BMW pon ada yang di buat oleh kilang kecil di bandar tenggara,johor ( kilang tu pengurusannya teruk).

    Idea untuk menubuhkan Proton adalah satu idea yang bagus. Sebagai Jurutera aku menyokong usaha ini. Sampai bila Malaysia harus bergantung kepada negara luar untuk membangunkan negara sendiri. Kita mempunyai sumber kepakaran yang cukup, sumber asli yang banyak dan modal pon sudah kita miliki. Untuk apa membiarkan orang lain mengeksploitasi sumber kita, kita sudah ada kemampuan. Walaupun ada kekurangannya, itu boleh diatasi asalkan kita mempunyai kemahuan dan berusaha bersungguh-sungguh.

    Ingatlah, ini negara kita, kita yang menentukan hala tuju sendiri. Aku sayang negara aku ini. Kalau korang nak kutuk aku, teruskanlah dan korang hanya tidak lebih sekadar bercakap kosong sahaja. Hari silih berganti, di manakah kita sekarang ini? Sejauh mana pencapaian kita hari ini? tengoklah diri sendiri, apakah bagus pekerjaan kita sendiri? apakan bagus hasil kerja kita? Jawablah. Semoga semua di sini mencapai kejayaan dan menjadi kebanggan negara.

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  • Even potong now mention have whatsoever system to control the vendors quality, but then this is only the process quality not the actual all user want, quality material used for all parts. Even if potong can achieve 0 defects per 100 cars build, but no quality material parts still cause the cars suck!! e.g. of suck localise part, my new wira aeroback on 2004, Aircond compressor create noisy sound, check at workshop, & informed to me is that many new Wira have same prob because new localise compressor is smaller & noisier, old one is bigger & from japan brand!!! Suck potong, localise but never buyoff material quality!!!

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  • drmuzi on Oct 17, 2005 at 8:42 pm

    i think you guys just overly excited…

    who cares about Shahrir samad opinion , he just shouts so that he can get one of the slots for one of the impending cabinet reshuffle…namely the Federal Minister.

    that 's it.

    noticed non of Malay language paper includes shahrir comments thus simplify not that important for the Big Boss….especially TUN M and Pak Lah.

    hope the press don't rush after Rafidah once she left the hopsital , i fear her knee cap…will come out…and break their lenses…hehe just kidding..my deares makcik…so quiet recuperating……:)

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  • SEE FU on Oct 17, 2005 at 8:49 pm

    kody bro arr!!

    You are correct, betul, Tepat!! Setuju You lei.

    Actually I think Locallization means LOWER the car grade and performance and YET the car price keep as before. Finally POTONG make more PROFIT and quality issue blame VEndors. WAH……very easy excuses!!!

    YAU MO KAU……CHOU!!! POTONG lah should be Blame!! NOt only the VEndors!! Sucker!!

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  • Handsfree on Oct 17, 2005 at 9:39 pm

    Fizie49 brother…

    wat u said.. i can understand…. and i can feel it too..

    but what to do.. those top management.. only see short term and personal interest.. never see whole company as core interest…

    if malaysia want to comes up…. 1st… all sudsidy must reduced….the more gooddies we have the more we are do well…..

    these gooddies.. make us lazy n dependent n greedy…

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  • pycazu on Oct 17, 2005 at 10:20 pm

    yup, true… subsidy is a form of corruption.

    Hi Fizie49, as u and me working for foreign company, then u must already understood how japanese and korean working.

    They won't ever compromise when in term of quality, design etc. U can truly see the different attitude of doing work, isn't? Even though our malaysian have creativity, capability, but the main lacking is the ATTITUDE. We can do extremely well job when employed by these foreign company. B

    ut, it's much different at the environment of local company which i have experienced as well. They take granted for so-called "quality" as long as their buyers purchased it.

    In this cruel market, that's no messy of national-patrioritism, who build "tougher" and "last-longer", he is the winner!

    This is also one of the main reason why these foreign companies withdraw from China.

    Globalisation… it's what we gonna face and challenge it…

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  • newspaper update on Oct 18, 2005 at 1:59 am

    so… why speak about Nasa Ria national car status, …. so they have auto qualify as national car with this rulling….. so Naza 206… he he ha ha :D make this car cheap cheap ya :)

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  • adamckc on Oct 18, 2005 at 7:19 am

    fizie your malay power is great… respect.

    i feel this is going to just another talk cock and do nothing staff..

    after 20 years if they wanted to improve they could have done that earlier.

    and our nations progress is always limited by the policy of restricting the vendors to certain bumi sources, and that is going to make us less in our progress for sure.. why no competition isnt it…it means lazy service la right.

    in my work place the sole maintenance provider medivest sdn bhd is so terible in providing their service, but because of cronyism (related to mahathir la) there is no other way but to use that unreasonable service… so do you think we could progress like our neighbours in such an uncompetitive environment ??…

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  • daniel on Oct 18, 2005 at 11:34 am

    kepada saudara fidzie, saya memahami apa yang saudara cakapkan.. tapi hendaklah saudara memahami, kualiti barang2 interior proton teruk.. tidak berkualiti dalam jangka masa yang panjang.. memang lah kalau saudara nak cakap kualiti finishing dalam keter korea (getz dan matrix) kurang.. tapi saudara tak nampak ker yang barang2 dalamnyer tahan lama.. kalau dalam gen-2, memang ler finishing lawa.. tapi tak tahan lama.. takde kualiti.. yang kena untuk membayar kos pembaikian, siapa? orang malaysia yang beli keter tuh pada harga yang agak mahal.. tapi kualiti tarak.. itu perbezaan yang sangat ketara walapun keter ckd honda.. walaupun dia upah local vendor buat kan komponen2, tapi tahan lama.. ada paham? perbezaan vendors potong dan syarikat lain..

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  • daniel on Oct 18, 2005 at 11:37 am

    dan ingin saya tekankan, kalau anda berkata bagi peluang kepada local vendors.. kerajaan dan bagi banyak.. sangat banyak.. tapi oleh kerana "tongkat" yang diberi kerajaan ini, mereka tak mampu berdiri sendiri, dan tidak mahu memajukan diri untuk memastikan produk mereka berkualiti.. yang buruk imej, proton.. yang sakit, pengguna keter proton.. ade paham? *cheers.

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  • mitsu_galant_2000 on Oct 18, 2005 at 8:15 pm

    local vendor mostly are chinese.. this the fact.. my brother those before working in the moulding / stamping maker.. build too many mould for car part, from small part to the medium part.. the big part i do no.

    agree with fizie.. the mould created form the BESI PADA, per cube is above thaan 50 K ++ ..

    my brother (adik) is workin in the 3 company makin mould. 2 of it makin banyak part for our local car.. perodua n proton.. Why my brother jump to another company by comany?..

    because the sallary.. my brother knew the cost.. the benefit dia punya boss berap pun boleh kira..

    so most the boss mau untung gila gila punya.. boss kaya, kuli cukup makan, boleh hidup, shopping sikit2 dah la.. then my brother stop working in the mould field since he acciden with his last chinese tokey yang bayar dia agak mahal dari yang lain RM3K .. he's mechanic now..

    so there's someway to look.

    Most of the local vendors ./ supliers etc etc is Kaki Mau Makan duit banyak..

    Never think about another responsibility.. and STAFF TOO!

    aku benci datuk sharir nih.. for me.. He JUST ANOTHER BULLSHIT.. mencari perhatian dan pandangan orang yang kononnya dia MACAM BAGUS..

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  • mitsu_galant_2000 on Oct 18, 2005 at 8:17 pm

    miss typing.. BESI PADA .. Besi padat / besi waja .. Kiub besi penuh tanpa ruang kosong.. yang diukir dan dibentuk sebagai Mould / acuan untuk plastic injection

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  • biothing on Oct 18, 2005 at 8:46 pm

    OK, main article abotu Sharir, no big deal, agreed OK

    Then Proton, must be blamed, OK

    Then Vendors, must be blamed OK.

    Everyone satisfied with these talking cocks (and fannies). Why noy get together Paul, draft a resolution and pass to NAP people. BTW, I am sure NAP people are reading this blogs too, we'll see..

    and happy retirement to TunM, I look forward to your books please

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  • Fizie49 on Oct 18, 2005 at 9:30 pm

    mitsu_galant_2000,

    dah lama aku nak beritau perkara nie kepada semua orang yang kebanyakan local vendors bukannya bumiputra……tapi nanti aku dicop sebagai orang yang suka mengetengahkan isu2 perkauman……cakap salah….tak cakap salah…..tapi orang tetap mengutuk……aku harap satu hari nanti ramai yang akan faham perkara sebenar…..semoga semua mendapat kejayaan yang diimpikan….

    salam hormat…..

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  • SEE FU on Oct 19, 2005 at 1:14 am

    Paul, when did you change YOUR BLOG into "Mari belajar MAngalish and BAHASA MALAYSIA" BLOG lei??

    YAU MO KAU……………..CHOU!!! Yeah BOLEH…. BOLEH!!! Siapa boleh mampus boleh….!

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  • gegaoff on Oct 19, 2005 at 2:22 am

    dont' care whether the vendors is chinese, indian or malay… those that need the answer still unsolve… right? mana Quality??

    who care the race? we talk about the quality that that POTONG should have… don't care 20years b4 or 20years now…. if we or big G want to maintain the POTONG status, they must do something.

    of coz, we all know most of the time, the truth is: just talk only… like here… sigh…

    but well, may be as what 'biothing' said, we should sign off and let NAP or G know we really want to c some different?

    cheers…

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  • mitsu_galant_2000 on Oct 19, 2005 at 5:00 pm

    fizie.. see that See Fu just piss off..

    yeah in the realiti, most chinese were taukeh.. most malay were kuli..

    so tokey must change from makin thousand bucks to more care on quality.. this is not a racial matter..

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  • Fizie49 on Oct 19, 2005 at 5:34 pm

    Helloi mitsu_galant_2000

    Just ignore See Fu OK. Young man always behave like this. A man take time to grow and mature. He will become a very successfull person in the future. He just need time to understand.

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  • epalhead on Oct 19, 2005 at 6:01 pm

    fezie: mitsu galant:

    dude, SEE FU has issues. expressing ur opinion in malays doesnt makes u "traitor" to ur own country. feels free to throw. SEE Fu needs a little time to grow up. just gives him some time. poor him. he's just a kid. kid always behave like that.

    why dont u all pay a visit to his pethatic blog…..u'll understand.

    p/s: btw SEE Fu, ur english is not good.

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  • mitsu_galant_2000 on Oct 19, 2005 at 7:54 pm

    AND THE SEE FU** USING CHINGLISH is OKAY? ..

    WTF..

    okay.. nevermind.. take time to growup child.. nah take this..lollypop

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  • SEE FU on Oct 19, 2005 at 8:56 pm

    What's UP??

    Yes! Only CHINGLISH is OKAY!!! Sorry I am still learning English……one day I will be good!! YOu all will know……target until wawasan 2020

    YAU MO KAU……..CHOU!!

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  • epalhead on Oct 19, 2005 at 9:13 pm

    what??? chinglish?????? are u typing a word there SEE FU????

    (expressing deep sighs)

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  • epalhead on Oct 19, 2005 at 9:13 pm

    kids..

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  • mitsu_galant_2000 on Oct 19, 2005 at 10:29 pm

    he/she's traped *yawn*

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  • SEE FU on Oct 19, 2005 at 10:41 pm

    Wah!! Who WROTE that?? What a joke!

    YAU MO KAU……CHOU!!! copy my one?

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  • SEE FU on Oct 19, 2005 at 10:45 pm

    Thank you for visitng my BLOG! If you have comments, pls paste it on my BLOG too, you all are WELCOME man!! Hope you all will enjoy the JOKES!!

    But before that you must join YAHOO first lei!!

    YAU MO KAU……….CHOU!! Cheers!!

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  • Savvy? on Oct 20, 2005 at 6:58 pm

    mitsu_galant_2000 said,

    October 18, 2005 @ 12:15 pm

    "local vendor mostly are chinese.. this the fact.. my brother those before working in the moulding / stamping maker.. build too many mould for car part, from small part to the medium part.. the big part i do no."

    Let's face one thing Mitsu, local vendors are not mostly chinese. Yes, they are the ones making those stuff. But they're all mostly sub-contractors commissioned by actual Proton appointed companies to manafacture the components. That's where the big money goes to, from one hand to another hand. In return, those component manafacturer will need to make their cut, they reduce quality. Sent finished product to Proton, they don't reject, why? Because 1) they're accustomed to inferior products and proudly proclaims a defect by saying "Ini standard leh" 2) It's a right hand to left hand thing, they can't afford to reject their own company stocks.

    If reducing "local" component content can improve Proton's competitiveness, maybe they can compete. Rightfully as a business entity, they have no obligations to keep "local" component manafacturers afloat if they can't produce up to quality. To do that is anti business.

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  • excuseme on Oct 20, 2005 at 7:45 pm

    What would be interesting is to carry out a survey on accident death toll of proton's owners

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  • darkfree on Oct 21, 2005 at 1:10 am

    Whatever you said about proton, they still produce the cars. Actually proton do not have enough money to test their product, so the solution is produce first and get input from consumre(us). Ater 3 years you can see the product become better. You all should follow their trend on how to produce a quality car???. SO that sorry for the first buyer.

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  • LOVE all GOODS on Oct 21, 2005 at 9:36 pm

    darkfree said,

    "…Ater 3 years you can see the product become better. You all should follow their trend on how to produce a quality car???. SO that sorry for the first buyer. "

    Tak BETUL ni, apa beza Wira 1995 dengan Wira 2005?…

    Harga become more expensive, quality drop, bubuh eksosori bukan-bukan.

    Give your commen in a proper way bro…before make some critics.

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  • LOVE all GOODS on Oct 21, 2005 at 9:45 pm

    Fizie49…wa caya lu.

    Apa yg saya lihat, most people here ada lack of attitude terhadap budaya kerja BERKUALITI. Tak kira bangsa janji Malaysian. Mungkin sebab kita lama dijajah oleh bangsa asing make use a bit not berdaya-saing.

    But if we (malaysian) dreams to become satu bangsa yg disegani, KITA BOLEH. Ubah budaya kerja, suka bersaing, elakkan budaya RASUAH (gomen ppl ni), suka CEMBURU dengan kejayaan bangsa lain, etc.

    Pendek kata, apa jua perlakuan yg tak baik KITA ELAKKAN… mcm si SI FU??? he ehehhh…

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