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Reader Muaz spotted this Mitsubishi Lancer in the Golden Triangle area. You might not take a second glance at this Lancer, until you see that it there are something wrong with its bumpers – the front is black and the rear is grey.
Once that has captured your attention, you’ll see that it has trade plates. The photo here isn’t really high resolution enough to see what number it is but it looks like some variation of B2XXXA. This could be Proton’s new Waja replacement based on the Mitsubishi Lancer on test.
The base specs seems to be the Lancer GLS, as seen from the lack of a spoiler and the use of the GLS 5-spoke wheels, which are smaller.
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first… looks cool…
using Mitsubishi source engine?
another copy? bleh…
yeah..
i am waiting Real WajaLution!!
i'll the first who book it!!!
so..
will the chassis be tuned by lotus?
what? for real? could it be that the new waja is really based on the current domestic lancer? how will that affect the current lancer customer (my friend just bought one GLS last week)
seriously? i think it will sell well since people are so into evo, then this model can replace all those waja-volution on the road currently which is an eye sore.
Maybe too many Wajalutions on the road now. So taking the Lancer as the replacement model for Waja would be easier to convert to Evo… hehe..
Dun know when it comes to our bolehland? This round is simple…. Just rebatch and hopefully, it's not far dirrent from Japanese version. Ke..ke…
wat?…still need to collaborate with mitsubishi and use their current lancer? what have proton been doing for the last 25 odd years????? just learning to running the production machineries???
Maybe it's a defect of new GLS from the trailer and just have its bumper replace and need spray work at workshop. I don't think it is the Waja replacement road test.
Wah! Like that only nice mah…
This is good news for Malaysians!! Was dreaming about this for quite some time now. *Plays the theme song from jaws* jeng jeng jeng jeng jeng jeng…
wa..its true that this will be the next waja????
ohh man…. was juz bout 2 consider gettin a new waja cps, looks like have 2 postpone that idea :p
so…. we wasted RM1billion on Waja platform R&D….
imagine, with all the money spent on proton & lotus, we could have enough money to buy a japanese car company
Ahh… damn coooooll..
Chaos,
My little bird told me that engine option for Proton Lancer is 4B10, the 1.8 variant of Lancer GT/GLS (which using 4B11 – 2.0 supposed to be the same family as the one in Rondo). The damage will be felt when Mitsu assemble the 2.0 in Tanjung Malim for export and domestic.
Paul,
any front side spyshot? They said the GTness is being toned down. Should they use Taiwan's Fortis, that might work well with the unker and auntie pop here hehe
Cool looking forward to see what are they upto. I will keep my mouth shut until I see the final car.
gosh.. it would be my dream come true… hehe… hope it's really it…
i think proton used lancer body as platform & maybe they testing petronas new 2.0 engine with CPS also tune by Lotus. maybe they will name it as Waja GLS. as for that i could buy this model to replace my old waja model.
This 1 like lancer kena bang then yet to spray.
Paul,
where's the quote function?
it's useful.
change a bit here and there, new bumpers, different interior, slot in campro 1.6, or even better with turbo, then should be ok……
rather rebadge this cool looking thing than the ugly Lancer Fortis….
then it's time for me to trade in my lovely Gen2….
or buy it for my wife…..
LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION..
PROTON WAJALUTION on the road………… I want to request door that can open like Lamborghini.. can or not??
No lah, no campro, no cps… Actually all CBU from japan including MIVEC 2.0. This Lancer will totally rebadged as new Waja by end of 2010.. Proton just do major modification on front bumper as 'V' shape, not 'A' as current Lancer and put the 7 pcs Thundercat logos.
Lancer owner shld letgo their car now tp prevented of "harga runtuh".
If it is locally assembled by Proton it should be a cool 20k cheaper at least. The 2.0 version should come with a paddle shift.
I think this LANCEPRO is just a stop gap measure to replace the Waja before they develope a Malaysian platform. After all it makes more sense since the volume is small, so do some facelift and the LANCEPRO is born. Similar approach to the Wira development. You will also get the engine relaibility of Mitsubishi. I am sure it won't be long when Malaysians will plug in the turbo engine as they did with the Wira!
when proton make a copy..people said,another copy?bleh..whats with 25years of proton…and bla bla..
but if P2 make a copy..nice…good…great…
nothing more to say..proud to be malaysian..
Hope that proton will use a new engine with cps on it. Anyway, good luck proton..
dump in a BOT..
yummy..
ps: if Proton not already put in a campro turbo lah..
Are sure Mitsu will just let Proton use the design/tech from their current gen Lancer? hahah probably few gens ago la.. like the current Wira
This is similar concept to what are NAZA did for Peugeot 206 as Naza Bestari with rear "Engineered by PEUGEOT" tagline.
nick chan said,
so…. we wasted RM1billion on Waja platform R&D….
imagine, with all the money spent on proton & lotus, we could have enough money to buy a japanese car company
1 billion? seriously dude check your facts before making posts… I don't even think proton have that much to spent when they started Waja 10 years ago… heck they don't even have that much to spend now especially after spending so much on Exora.
So Proton is replicating another model… why not as long as it is profitable and the money stays in Malaysia. Not like some other "local" manufacturer who claims "local" and made their money "locally" but profit go elsewhere…
Chill la guys….Last time when Proton was testing stuff for the Exora's drivetrain, they used a Wish. Or you guys are too ready to bash to remember?
Are sure Mitsu will just let Proton use the design/tech from their current gen Lancer? hahah probably few gens ago la.. like the current Wira
Mark my words here, PROTON already made arrangements with MITSU to produce this as the next Waja. Engine will be the 1.8 from 4B10 variant. Parts outsourcing has already begun even before Exora was launched. For the LANCER, MITSU gets the Exora to work on as their rebadge model in Japan.
hmmm…
when exora turbo is available,
for sure the campro turbo can be fitted in this waja?
waja FF campro turbo..
Come on please. If Proton do re-badge Lancer into Waja, we see more 4B11T on the road. Do you people realize how much effort & money to do R&D and produce a true Evolution on the road. Just swap without consideration of the chassis to handle the power increase will cause more danger to other road users. Worst caused the insurance premium to increase.
Another issue is after 20/30 years Proton still same under Dr. M junk products, paying so much income into produce junk, indirectly force to buy junk.
Please forgive me if I had offended anyone here. We need to grow up and look others how they enjoy own a non-copycat car. If Msia do practice open market & clean competition, I can foresee our road will fill with Swift 1.2/1.3 and Fit/Jazz 1.3 just like our south neighbour.
I wonder what will be under it's hood. 1.6 MACAMPro CPS? or MiVeC 2.0? Don't tell me Proton will make another disaster fitting the 1.6 MACAMPro CPS. If they do that, I'm sure those chop shop (kedai potong) will be good business where everyone is looking for new Lancer half cut. Proton is creating business tho and moving the economy is such crisis. Bravo…
Wah…if this is for real, I pity those who bought Lancer. They are now downgraded to Waja level……
Don't ASS U ME!!
Maybe just a new imported Lancer that got Kissed front & back!
as a malaysia, im quite disappointed if proton just do cosmetic surgery on lancer and sell to malaysian as replacement for waja. nothing to proud of being malaysian then. we are not moving up the value chain. in next 3 years, malaysian not able to afford indon maid anymore. in next 10 years, we might see malaysian migrate to indon to work as maid.
if proton intention is to use lancer with cps engine and lotus tuned for cheaper version of lancer for foreign market, it think thats good. hope to see real new waja that on par with other makes and made to sell around the world, not only to malaysian.
Agreed with you, Black Dog, 100%, come rain or shine! CIAO!
why proton want go go back to the future they already develope their own car without copied 100% other like savvy,gen 2,neo & axora. Now start to rebatch again.
What are this people thinking? Proton Perdana supposed to be their flagship vehicle & now using using a Waja/Lancer ( A mid range model) to replace it as a flagship model?
kkchai said,
June 26, 2009 @ 4:25 pm
Come on please. If Proton do re-badge Lancer into Waja, we see more 4B11T on the road. Do you people realize how much effort & money to do R&D and produce a true Evolution on the road. Just swap without consideration of the chassis to handle the power increase will cause more danger to other road users. Worst caused the insurance premium to increase.
Another issue is after 20/30 years Proton still same under Dr. M junk products, paying so much income into produce junk, indirectly force to buy junk.
Please forgive me if I had offended anyone here. We need to grow up and look others how they enjoy own a non-copycat car. If Msia do practice open market & clean competition, I can foresee our road will fill with Swift 1.2/1.3 and Fit/Jazz 1.3 just like our south neighbour.
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Mitsu's taking the Exora and rebadging it what…tit for tat.
why proton go back to the future ?
it's the same reason as why citreon and peugeot rebadge the mitsu 4wd as their 4wd .
guys… let see the deal between proton and mitsubishi….
proton rebadge
lancer as waja
mitsubishi rebadge
persona
exora
i like to see exora mitsubishi version soon… :D
note: i think it just mule, just like exora first spyshot inside toyota wish mule
this evo bumper got banged from the back. Right now, it's on its way to painter shop for red color respray.
And some ppl here are thinking Waja and Evo colaboration pulak…..
I don't think Mitsu can be so stupid sharing with the stu*** proton.
The Evo itself is selling like hot cake.
Anyway, if this was real test, the to hell with Proton!! After so many years bragging and trying to tell the whole world that they want to stand on its feet in the auto world, and now wanted to share platform pulak…
Wasting R & D money…..which indirectly they are thw tax Payer money….
this could be, i stress here COULD be, the new lancer based watchamacallit from P1; or it could just be that the owner of this lancer just changed the bumper?????…who knows?
u come here talk hell ?
no matter wat u say also ppl will buy.
sigh…
everyone give comments here like they know what've happen to this waja-lancer..wasting ppl money la..tax la (like all of u pay tax anyway..)
big names in auto industry also apply the concept of platform sharing, engines, system… so..what's wrong with this.. everheard of the word 'ECONOMIES OF SCALE'??
let this thing out first in the market, test it, and then u guys can whack it till the kingdom come..sabar la ye abang2…
im eager to see the front looks of dis Mitsu Lancer… ;-)
Hey my friend said the design of the light at front and at back of Mitsubishi Lancer was design by malaysia people but i don't no it true or not,because his uncle are PROTON designer year's ago,but now his uncle an NISSAN designer…….
I remember reading Proton and Mitsu had sign an MOU to exchange cars. Proton gets Lancer while Mitsu gets Exora and Persona (or is it Satria Neo) to sell as Mitsu in countries that do not sell Protons. It is a win win situation… it is different from the other companies that rebadge foreign cars. The other companies don't manufacture cars to give to foreign car companies.
roti naan,
cannot be Evo la. Dont think Evo's rims are so puny ;-)
anyway, if this is really true then the current onwers of Mitsu lancer really bang balls.
mayb mitsu begin CKD here?? then we can affort a cheaper lancer…hehe
And some ppl here are thinking Waja and Evo colaboration pulak…..
I don’t think Mitsu can be so stupid sharing with the stu*** proton.
The Evo itself is selling like hot cake.
Anyway, if this was real test, the to hell with Proton!! After so many years bragging and trying to tell the whole world that they want to stand on its feet in the auto world, and now wanted to share platform pulak…
Wasting R & D money…..which indirectly they are thw tax Payer money….
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everyone is just speculating out of their a$$
perhaps some of you forgot about the way proton tested the 1.6 CPS on toyota wish and mazda mpv. probably they are coming out with a design which is similar in size with the lancer. So what better way to figure out whether they need to also develop a new engine then to test it on a car that size.
anyways, just because the car has black/brown/grey/blu/green bumpers does not mean its proton testing. no? it could be mitsu testing it here. decided to produce a cheaper lancer cos of our car prices.
They are testing the new version of campro engine using lancer body…from what I've heard the displacement still 1.6 but in terms of horse power it will produce as same as 1.8cc..
This is the same trial testing like before Toyota Wish (mule no:4)using campro engine..
1. his evo bumper got banged from the back. Right now, it’s on its way to painter shop for red color respray.
2. And some ppl here are thinking Waja and Evo colaboration pulak…..
I don’t think Mitsu can be so stupid sharing with the stu*** proton.
The Evo itself is selling like hot cake.
3. Anyway, if this was real test, the to hell with Proton!! After so many years bragging and trying to tell the whole world that they want to stand on its feet in the auto world, and now wanted to share platform pulak…
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1. evo no way, lancer may be.
pls distinguish between lancer & lancer evo.
2. no comment. common argument by non-lovers.
3. platform sharing is common nowadays.
open ur eyes. open ur mind.
normal malaysian style..
Platform sharing is fine as long you develop own skin instead coping like photocopy machine. We can look at cars under VW Group by using platform sharing yet came out different car. Ford/Madza also a good example.
The reason Proton & M'sia can't catch up with other developing country is because of its people culture, attitude and mindset. The attitude and mindset of doing half full pail and without enthusiasm.
So many years and money had been poured into R&D yet result is not something to proud.
We should stop being blindly proud, arrogant proud, ignorant proud and start looking at everyone and learn. As Chinese said, empty your mind and learn to accept openly. If any people associated with M'sia government or the manufacturer do read this, please learn to listen with open mind. It is nothing wrong to learn from others instead proud with empty Msia shell.
*Peace*
Another…….
potong-potong……
then sambung-sambung……
touch-up2 skit2…..
and NOW!!!
the arrival the new potong-sambung ( cOpYcAt ) WAJA!!!!!!!
yyiippppiieeee!!!!
Guys, open up your minds a bit. Proton has got other models already – Persona, Savvy, Exora etc. Since it does not have a replacement model for Waja and Perdana, and Mitsubishi is willing to help, what is wrong with rebadging one or 2 Mitsubishi models as Proton? I don't think Proton expects to sell too many of the new Waja Lancer anyway, so why waste development costs. Meanwhile I believe that Mitsubishi is also interested to rebadge Exora as their own. Thats globalisation for you.
Nothing new. Chrysler used to rebadge Mitsubishi as their own, and Rover rebadged Hondas. Daihatsu Boon rebadged as a Passo, Subaru Justy as well as our beloved Myvi.
In the future, perhaps Mitsubishi would like to share their 4B11 or 4B12 with Proton for the Exora.. that will be nice.
Waja was P1 first platform after all
Why not change to a new platform?
to produce own platform for every product range is quite expensive for a small auto manufacturer. other manufacturer around the globe are sharing platform. so i don't see what's wrong with P1 utilizing the same concept.
but of course not to share 100% of P1 platform, build a few, share a few.
for Mitsu, they also got to sell their product a lot more with cheaper price. so its a win-win situation.
so WHY NOT?
does anyone who bash don read news 2-3 month ago bout mitsu and proton agree to rebadge each other..proton = lancer , mitsu = exora…..please la don be arogant
I believe proton will not loose anything if they decide to re-badge Lancer… I mean why waste money on development if a good platform is being offered.
Proton made their point they can develop their own models with the Exora, Waja, Gen2, Persona etc… some are successful and some are a joke but so does other manufacturers, not all their products sell well… what else do you want?
If you have knowledge in automotive industry, manufacturers has been on sharing basis since I can remember… if the profit is real money, so what!?
24 years and they finally gave up building their own cars…surrender to the Japs!
Personally, I doubt MMC will rebadge Exora. Chances is slim due to Mitsubishi has its own fleet of type vehicles ready from Colt, Lancer, Galant, Grandis..
Proton made Savy, Saga, Persona, Gen2, & Neo which is within categorization. But what is differences between Persona & Gen2. Once before a Proton sales personal told me because Gen2 is more of a sport sedan. Sound incompetent to me whereby nothing in the car is define as sport.
Then what is different in Waja & Perdana? Yes we can have a limo but why have 2?
Too many products without a clear direction where it is heading to. Also we can't have 2 similar products on the road as it won't be a win win business deal.
In additional, Mitsubishi & Proton do sign MoU but they never reveal any insight of the cooperation. It is been some time we had not heard any new update from both manufacturer.
Why are people saying "surrender"? For heavens sake, its just ONE MODEL only.
Persona, Exora and Savvy don't count, do they? AIYOYO
Last time when Proton wanted to rebadge VW, evryone was jumping for joy because they can buy VW cheaply. Now just because Proton want to rebadge ONE stupid Lancer, all sorts of allegations come up !!
no lah..i dont think proton will go backward..
if it were testing for new waja..it should be for study lah..
same like exora before..using Wish for design study…
Even Detroit Electric rebadge Gen-2 to be their own brand and sell them. So whats wrong with platform sharing for proton? In the end it will benefit us as a consumer as we were give more option to choose.
i dont think it wil be as carbon copy as the original lancer…knowing proton , thy wil probably use the lancer chasis and probably the engine ..the 1.8cc which is not available locally bt found in australia and uk….i tink proton wil definalty use different body panels to distinguish it from the original lancer…
or , it could jus be a new lancer variant that has noting to do with proton…!
I think they use Lancer as a benchmark only for the new waja because its same class. They currently might testing the engine @ gear or wat ever. Like Exora they use Wish as a benchmark and at the end the design different from wish.
i think proton just wanna test their new engines. like they did with wish before exora came out.
Of all the Proton cars, I like waja. handling is good, its solid. after 6,7 year i've been driving (now as second car) its still feel good, at least i feel more solid that Honda City! just that some accessories sure got defect (power windows, aircon control, etc) well, this is Proton's trademark. no choice.
still remember when waja first come out the time? the design n outlook is good, even my SG frens its a nice n good to look car.. just that Proton always cannot catch up the trean, sure its look OLD now!
I dun think it's a good idea to re badge any other car for Waja model..how come the first gen its own design than later become a copycat?? i think it sure can evolve for a better look of 2nd gen of Waja.
Why do the heck they dun have the 5,6 years model changed plan like other car manufacturer.. they should start now for the latest Exora model..
by the way, may i know are Gen2 n Waja both the same segment?
I expected the waja gonna have a model, suddenly half, the Gen2 comes out.. (few years back)
not to mentioned the pity 2.0 category Perdana~ sigh.. guys like us at age been left college for working for 10 years, wanna support local product also cannot, cos i sure need bigger CC car rite? so we upgrade to japs, to conti~
not our fault, just tat u make me no choice, Proton.
This is good. R&D for new platform will take on time and money.
Just share Lancer platform, Waja platform is too old to be reworked again.
More fast too come out, more profitable..
One more, need more Perdana replacement.. oh please.. it's too old.
kkchai said,
Personally, I doubt MMC will rebadge Exora. Chances is slim due to Mitsubishi has its own fleet of type vehicles ready from Colt, Lancer, Galant, Grandis..
Proton made Savy, Saga, Persona, Gen2, & Neo which is within categorization. But what is differences between Persona & Gen2. Once before a Proton sales personal told me because Gen2 is more of a sport sedan. Sound incompetent to me whereby nothing in the car is define as sport.
Then what is different in Waja & Perdana? Yes we can have a limo but why have 2?
Too many products without a clear direction where it is heading to. Also we can’t have 2 similar products on the road as it won’t be a win win business deal.
In additional, Mitsubishi & Proton do sign MoU but they never reveal any insight of the cooperation. It is been some time we had not heard any new update from both manufacturer.
Read more: http://paultan.org/archives/2009/06/26/protons-la…
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1st of all, platform sharing can be not rebadging, meaning u get platform from another manufacturer and design the outlook and interior based on the platform. Rebadge is mere change ur front and back bumper with downgraded interior.
Waja and Perdana supposed to be different category.
etc, waja = Nissan Sentra while Perdana = Cefiro.
both are 2 diff category. (based on engine cc)
Mitsubishi also not very good in sale globally because of Toyota and Honda, Platform sharing using Proton Exora not impossible, u may see another new design of grandis in the future with the same platform of Exora.
I think people need to understand the differences between rebadge and platform sharing.(platform is 1 of the most expensive to develop in the whole designing process thats why most car manufacturer share the platforms)
To say Proton=Perodua merely they also have rebadged-engineering is INACCURATE as Proton only have certain models NOT every single models.
BTW, l'm second Waja-Replacement using donor Lancer as we can expect the sedan will be less volume seller like other models; Persona, Saga BLM and Exora.
The price will be around RM80k+ instead of RM60k. Should Vios-lovers opt for this? Definitely if they're using M-engine not P1 engine.
Another bad news for Proton again!
Proton loses another RM20m after failure of JV with China’s Goldstar!
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/busi…
kkchai said,
June 26, 2009 @ 7:12 pm
Personally, I doubt MMC will rebadge Exora. Chances is slim due to Mitsubishi has its own fleet of type vehicles ready from Colt, Lancer, Galant, Grandis..
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I see the Exora complementing the Mitsu line up by being a Wish competitor, since Grandis is more of an Oddessy competitor…
What is wrong with rebadging?
If the deal is a win2 situation for both Proton and Mitsubishi, why not?
Oh Man!
Do you guys know when its coming out?
I wanna trade in my car and the Lancer was one of the options.
LONG LIVE PROTON WAJALUTION!!!
long live Malaysia-Japan friendship…
Japanese is Malaysia very good friend.. WAJALUTION!!!
i've knew it a looooonnnnnnnng time ago where this lancer will become waja next base production. To those who claim all the negative feedback to proton, please and please think or do some research about this first before bashing.. U just make urself look fools like a noob where u already have no idea to bash proton.
Ahhh…just rebadge all Toyota cars and sell them as National Car ! Erkkk that has been done ka …
Better rebadge VW cars then …more upmarket
I don't get this, does proton really need another sedan? What for? The Lancer isn't much bigger than the Gen2 and Persona. I wonder how Proton would price this and where this would be placed in the market. Proton has a 30k window between the Gen2/Persona and its competitors. If its price too low, it will canibalize its own sales, price it too high and people may op for the "imports", especially the Koreans (that might include Chevy's – and remember, Naza may also launch the Forte…)
That seems like a lot of investment for a short run. Proton doesn't have the economies of scale to slot in another model between the aging Perdana and Persona. Shouldn't Proton be concentrating on the Perdana replacement?
If I would guess, perhaps its engine test mule for a larger car. Like a Perdana. It would make sense if the larger car run a varient of the 4B engine series with turbochargers.
kalau betul waja amik acuan lancer ok gak. kalau persona amik acuan lancer sebab persona tengok yang asal nampak sporty. cuba waja amik acuan corolla altis dan perdana amik acuan camry sebab waja dan perdana seperti kereta eksekutif. interior pun buat acuan yang semacam dengan kereta-kereta tersebut amacam… ada berani!!!
I sense some RACIST in here…. LOL…
tom… lancer is a rubbish car?? who is "jus know copy only"??? maybe youre the one who sohai….
Some people in here need to get a grip.
another copy?
perodua all copy .
saupei
ATTN: fadzly
If you do have some info to share, I be glad to understand more. I can't commend on others. As far as I can see, view and observe the open environment, Proton really need to work extreme hard to catch up with industry. Everyone is moving fast and be competitive as they are global player as compared to Proton whereby focus is on its domestic market only.
maybe proton doing the 2010 waja like what they did with the exora.
exora—>they study on toyota wish
2010 waja—>they study on mitsu lancer
think so…
Rebadging front and rear bumper and decreasing it's spec…Oh My God! It's Perodua! Oh no wait….it's Proton! Waja become Lancer…
No offence I am a big fan of Proton..some part of me dont like this idea but the other part like this idea..50%-50%. Btw lets leave this to our MD. I trust him. He will make wise decision for Proton. All the best Proton.
All the best to out future Malaysian Automotive Industry!
Sorry for the terrible english
finally, a waja replacement model
Back to square 1 proton after just launch their own designed mpv.
For those p1 fanboys who bash p2 only do rebadging go bash yr beloved p1.
Y the hell mmc wants to rebadge exora when they got grandis? Think b4 talk.
Its p1 that need to rebadge their car coz p1 r in over 300million loss in order
to save cost.
i don't think this is a waja replacement model, if so , this would be just a test mule.
proton is better then that.
proton is trying to do like what they did to toyota wish.
just to test out things.
or maybe the reader syok sendiri , thought is a proton waja replacement.
maybe this is someone's lancer which got accident and his mechanic just changed the front and rear bumper.. havent sprayed to match to body colour and go drive around the city with some funny number plate…
WTF!! im about to buy the lancer GT, think i will change my mind..
Proton badge, 2.0 Petronas engine, engineed by Lotus… This must be better then the ori Mitsubishi, is the best!!! People who bought Lancer must regretting.
Good job Proton Lotus Mitsubishi Waja Garant.
lol malaysians.
P2 rebadge = good, smart, prioritise customer > pride
P1 rebadge = wasting tax payer, noob, stupid, rugikan lancer owners
double standard ftw.
What's wrong la wei? komplen keter jepun mahal, pastu beli P2 psal 'kereta jepun, harga proton'. Pastu puuuuuuuuuuji melambung P2 macam-macam
P1 bagi 'keter jepun, harga malaysia' pula kata lain.
So what if lancer owners suffer 2nd hand value drop? All these while bising want cheaper japmobiles, n now just bcuz proton is giving exactly that, still complain? Those who will benefit from proton rebadging this model far outnumber the number of ppl who will suffer ie current lancer owners.
kkcai: More 4B11T, so? I believe there's more Evo X in most other countries cuz it's muuuuuuuuuch cheaper in the rest of the world, but other countries have lower accident rate. Get it now? It's not the car, it's the driver.
Gen.2 not sporty? What's ur idea of sporty then? Slapping on some TRD stickers on a dugong? Adding some bodykits on a Camry and paint it white? Use AMG tyre rims?
Let me tell u something: a Savvy stock can beat a Myvi race spec's lap time. http://paultan.org/archives/2005/08/23/proton-sav…
Now let's see… who would be Gen.2's rivals… Vios? City? Latio? Shall we see who's the sportiest of them all?
4G63T DSM: what a classic case… all these while so many ppl shout for waja replacement, waja replacement. Then when it comes, this is what malaysians like u have to say?
When myvi sells, kelisa n kancil still sells. And since Malaysia is a saloon market, there is no such thing as too many saloons.
Who gives a fuck about Chevvy n Kia? All proton needs to say is JAPANESE tech, gg. Need I explain to you the power of JAPANESE branding effect to malaysians?
I think its testing chasing only,like last exora test on wish..maybe..^^
WTF!! i was about to buy the lancer GT.. better change my mind now n get another car… proton's reputation n reliability hasnt been good since day one..
kaps said,
I sense some RACIST in here…. LOL…
Relax dude, these people are everywhere… they're bold in faceless forums like these only… maybe Paul can do something about this, will ya Paul?
Going back to the topic, I think read somewhere (Starbiz?) moons ago that this collaboration between P1 and Mitsu is brighter in proton's side.
It is agreed that Mitsubishi to offer Proton a new platform model, which will be used to replace Waja (Lancer not mentioned)
On other discussions also includes the rebadging of Persona and Exora as Mitsubishi's models
And a joint development of A class-segment car, maybe a new Colt based on Savvy's platform? I think Mitsu is interested in Savvy's dynamic handling as ugly as it look… sorry Savvy owners beauty is in the eye of the beholder…
I am not too excited with the first one, that happens before thus we had Saga, Wira, Perdana etc. But if the second one is in fact happening… proton bashers can eat their heart out when they see "Mitsubishi" Personas being driven all over the world.
Just my 2 cents
"P2 rebadge = good, smart, prioritise customer > pride
P1 rebadge = wasting tax payer, noob, stupid, rugikan lancer owners
double standard ftw."
Its because P1 is established with the aim to become a real car maker… P2 is established with aim to become a car business model with 'u-know-who' ppl behind the mgmt wanted to make a profit…
in relative sense, the R&D grant that is given to P1 is much more than P2… so what the bashers mean is, what is the direction of P1 after using all the rakyat's money? trying to become profitable, or trying to salvage some pride while dying or trying to innovate and make us proud?
side note, mitsu alrdy has the Grandis, why would they want Exora chassis…? they are almost similar in size, specs, weight probably…
Finally proton is understanding its customers need..the fact is rebadge cars sells better than its own creation coz its easier to look for more reliable parts than its original parts..Compare the sales with lancer chassis protons like wira, waja, and perdana with its own creations like persona,gen2,neo and savy..Then you will see the difference
tokmoh said,
June 27, 2009 @ 12:19 am
lol malaysians.
P2 rebadge = good, smart, prioritise customer > pride
P1 rebadge = wasting tax payer, noob, stupid, rugikan lancer owners
double standard ftw.
What’s wrong la wei? komplen keter jepun mahal, pastu beli P2 psal ‘kereta jepun, harga proton’. Pastu puuuuuuuuuuji melambung P2 macam-macam
P1 bagi ‘keter jepun, harga malaysia’ pula kata lain.
So what if lancer owners suffer 2nd hand value drop? All these while bising want cheaper japmobiles, n now just bcuz proton is giving exactly that, still complain? Those who will benefit from proton rebadging this model far outnumber the number of ppl who will suffer ie current lancer owners.
kkcai: More 4B11T, so? I believe there’s more Evo X in most other countries cuz it’s muuuuuuuuuch cheaper in the rest of the world, but other countries have lower accident rate. Get it now? It’s not the car, it’s the driver.
Gen.2 not sporty? What’s ur idea of sporty then? Slapping on some TRD stickers on a dugong? Adding some bodykits on a Camry and paint it white? Use AMG tyre rims?
http://paultan.org/archives/2009/06/26/protons-la…
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nice one tokmoh.. take that u proton & gov basher
Come on bring on the TURBO CPS on this ride.VRoooom Pssst. haha
Attn: Niv
I do understand the difference between re-badge and platform sharing, and the cost of developing platform. Also in automotive industry, we comparing the car segment, functionality and categories.
E.g. Vios, City are in compact sedan whereas Altis, Civic in mid sedan etc etc. Where does Proton products stand?
Correct me if I am wrong, I recall the Wira Replacement Model is call Gen2, next moment they announced Persona as replacement for WIra. The Proton Management need to focus and have clear their direction before market to consumers.
In addition to your statement, "Mitsubishi also not very good in sale globally because of Toyota and Honda". Mitsubishi didn't do well because of the management and the model they produce in past few year. A lot issues within the management that caused wasted of investment and unprofitable action.
I am not very sure will Mitsubishi use platform within Exora, but based on my personal opinion, I think it is hardly. If they do use, it may be slot below mid size MPV, Grandis.
TheophilusChin said,
December 6, 2008 @ 10:35 am
Here’s a little comparo between Waja, Persona, Perdana and Lancer:
Waja – 2600 mm (wheelbase); 4465 mm (length); 1740 mm (width); 1420 mm (height)
Persona – 2600 mm (w); 4477 mm (l); 1725 mm (w); 1437 mm (h)
Perdana – 2600 mm (w); 4615 mm (l); 1739 mm (w); 1400 mm (h)
Lancer – 2635 mm (w); 4573 mm (l); 1760 mm (w); 1490 mm (h)
So the Lancer is slightly bigger than Persona (itself slightly bigger than Waja). Add 40 mm to the redesign bumpers and the Lancer can be bigger (just) than the Perdana. Along with a bigger 1.8 engine, that is sadly, not a CAMPRO, this Lancer-based Proton is a suitable Waja and Perdana replacement model
Paul mentioned “that the vehicle would pretty much be a Lancer with only minor changes to the design, even less than what Mitsubishi Taiwan has done to their version of the Lancer.” So Proton only has the front and rear to work with, the bonnet stays, the front and rear fender stays, rear boot lid stays…
If I chop the Proton Lancer, I can only chop the grille, bumpers, lights… and maybe the wheels. The rest stays Lancer.
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wow.. i never knw what theo said would be likely the same on the picture above.. Something like deja-vu.. LOLZ
Attn: tokmoh
I agreed with you, the driver play an important. You must not forget, manufacturer investment time and fund into develop each car for its purpose. Even thought platform in Evolution X and Lancer GT share similar platform but they both are different to match what it going to produce.
I mean sporty here should feel sporty when driven. I am not saying the power only, but overall. BMW are known for their sport saloon because there are reasons. Go test drive the new Madza 3 since it is now available in Msia. Even the 2L don't produce a significant power but how the car behave and feedback to the driver. This what I mean by sporty. Hope I clear your doubt.
I think P1 should axe the Waja from their line-up …streamline their products for a small market like m'sia to Savy , Saga , Gen 2 , Exora , Perdana . Many car manufacturers also tend to retain the car names to preserve history ..like New Camry, new Accord when they launch new models … no need car -naming competition …waste of time
yeay,confirm waja will be coming out this year. wheres si-fu? havent hear from him quite a time. must be very busy with the waja. 1.6cps turbocharge *fingers crossed
EricG said,
June 27, 2009 @ 2:19 am
yeay,confirm waja will be coming out this year. wheres si-fu? havent hear from him quite a time. must be very busy with the waja. 1.6cps turbocharge *fingers crossed
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THIS YEAR? Owh, if come out this year, i can buy it next year! lmao
you guys only know how to complain, geez…not even perfect yourself!
I think this PROTON WAJALUTION will be a great success..
it is already 120 comments so far on the first day Paul Tan review of this PROTON WAJALUTION… now everybody can fly.. opss, that's AirAsia advertisement.. now every body can have WAJALUTION!!!
LONG LIVE PROTON WAJALUTION!!!..
Polis Diraja Malaysia said, now we have a great rival, our evo need to chase all this WAJALUTION on PLUS highwayy.. more saman and can increase Malaysia economy ^^
Change it to new name…. PROTON ELECTRON
I think Proton could win big if the Waja Lancer is priced around City or Vios.
huh…i think proton is using the the car for test the platform or wse…
or maybe using this car for make another car..not as a waja replacment….
i think la… ya la, proton not stupid la. even old saga is very different from the mitsu car platform…
CAKAP.Net said,
June 26, 2009 @ 3:40 pm
No lah, no campro, no cps… Actually all CBU from japan including MIVEC 2.0. This Lancer will totally rebadged as new Waja by end of 2010.. Proton just do major modification on front bumper as ‘V’ shape, not ‘A’ as current Lancer and put the 7 pcs Thundercat logos.
Lancer owner shld letgo their car now tp prevented of “harga runtuh”.
( Actually u are wrong, they will use other engine, nor mitsu or proton, but they have not decide what engine they will use, maybe they will use 2.0 renault engine that proton use for Satria Neo S2000? then we can convert to rally car like evo 10 perhaps? lolx )
tokmoh said,
June 27, 2009 @ 12:19 am
4G63T DSM: what a classic case… all these while so many ppl shout for waja replacement, waja replacement. Then when it comes, this is what malaysians like u have to say?
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I've always maintained that Proton doesn't need 2 sedans in the same size category. (make that 3 if you count in the Perdana) You must have gotten me confused with someone else.
Better concentrate on building a better Perdana. As it is, the Perdana is in between classes. Not big enough to compete with its usual Accord/Camry rivals, and priced too high againsts the Altis/Civic etc. (Just look at how big the Galant has gotten)
Myabe u all do not know the situation right now, due to economic downtrun, we have decide to swap with mitsu, we will take their mitsu lancer, they will take our Exora, coz RnD cost is TOO DAMN HIGH !
Smart move in this situation i can say, and people will more like it due to the resemblance to Mitsu Lancer. Can convert ma… like proton wira lor…
Don’t ASS U ME!!
Maybe just a new imported Lancer that got Kissed front & back!
( So lame, havent u read? got the plate number BXXXX somthing lor… so obvious that it has not been bang anywhere la…)
rally_fan said,
June 26, 2009 @ 5:52 pm
And some ppl here are thinking Waja and Evo colaboration pulak…..
I don’t think Mitsu can be so stupid sharing with the stu*** proton.
The Evo itself is selling like hot cake.
Anyway, if this was real test, the to hell with Proton!! After so many years bragging and trying to tell the whole world that they want to stand on its feet in the auto world, and now wanted to share platform pulak…
Wasting R & D money…..which indirectly they are thw tax Payer money….
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everyone is just speculating out of their a$$
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What's wrong with that? You can do the same, with your A$$.
Get a life, A$$
Everyone entitle to their opinion.
Proton is advancing…
I just don't understand all this Proton-bashing behaviour. It is all speculation/rumour, just because someone snapped this picture. Pass your judgment when more details are made known. Just like the Wish was a mule for the Exora drivetrain/chassis testing, this could be the mule for the Waja-replacement as well.
If I were to guess, Proton could be using the Lancer platform, but with Proton's own body panels, interior design, and suspension set-up, and more likely than not, with Lotus-inspired handling. Proton cars are good handling cars, and the influence from their acquisition of Lotus is showing with all recent models from Proton getting rave reviews for their handling prowess.
bring it on…
all i care about is debaging the car and turning it into an evo x.
debadging is important…why give credit to proton when it's a mitsubishi in the first place.
r&d…research & debadge
yipee
they used to claim that exora universal platform can vary from mpv, sedan & small pick up truck, now why rebadged another mitsubishi? what are proton's design team doing? just design front & rear bumper and ….. nothing else?
cosmetic changes for the msian market as usual may involve a change of teh front headlights, rear lights, bonnet and boot lid.
never mind…i'm always willing to cut away the metal to restore the car to its original look. plenty of after market parts available.
better still, can order a car minus the proton parts ah? that would leave a lot more cash for mods.
double yipee
they used to claim that exora universal platform can vary from mpv, sedan & small pick up truck, now why rebadged another mitsubishi? what are proton's design team doing? just design front & rear bumper and …. nothing else?
why can't proton rebadge a good car..perodua does that all the time..they will even rebadge a shit into a banana if toyota/daihatsu has one..and still sell like a hot "banana" fritters..
If it is true, what a shame on proton! ( already is a shame) a truly national's shame, a laughing subject from world auto industries.
after more than 25years in this industry, spending millions of dollar in devolopement, getting various forms of protections and subsidies from goverment, training thuosands of engineers, changing management a couples of times, this bloody stupid so call national conglomate still doing copy cat things.
is the managemaent stupid or absolutely corrupted or all the technical stuffs employed are morons dont even know how to make their own car???
why tihs happen in our country? where is the spirit of malaysia boleh?
Because of this rubbish useless company we have to buy expensive car, pay excessive taxes to this current corrupted goverment.
because of this rubbish useless company many of the quality auto industries
players have to built their own plant in other country and we lost millions of taxes and job oportunities.
If not with the goverment involment in this rubbish company with rubbish mangement, they are finished long time ago and nobody cares.
Fiat sharing platform with Opel
Saab sharing platform with Cadillac
Mazda sharing platform with Ford
Alfa with Chrysler
Lamborghini Estoque share Platform with Audi A7
~ "Wow that is a good news! they can save some money on RnD and can exchange tech with each other! Cant wait to see what they can come out with!"
Proton sharing platform with Mitsu
~"what???!! are you serious!? What have Proton been doing since past 20± years??! wasting tax payer money! They just dont know how to build a car! damn proton!"
—-Please la.. haihhh don't what to say
jessy, how do u know the rebadging? I believe proton just running a mule test. like exora and will come out with different design.
Rebadged is easier than came out with totally new design but as not easy as just design front & rear bumper.
See P2 MPV, we know they rebadge, but still take a long time to launch.
you said: "what are proton’s design team doing?" – totally unfair. bcoz u dont know wat are they doing right now. u just speculate.
"imagine, with all the money spent on proton & lotus, we could have enough money to buy a japanese car compan
http://paultan.org/archives/2009/06/26/protons-la…
HAHAHAHAHAHA
THIS COMMENT WINS!
Some reader display some attitude of negative towards Proton. Rebadging one or two never been similar to changing the emblem and redesign the bumper every and single models.
The recent exercise can be read as Mitsubishi now regard Proton as partner rather than technology recipient like those day.
Don't hatred just critical and positive.
hey.
who want this shitty car?
no need to bash abt it k..
let proton done his job k.
wait n see jer.
omg…here it goes again…lots of wajalution will mod their cars to evo x lookalike…i guess it will make less people wanna own a lancer since it makes it look cheap since it has a copykat version XD
ALL thus happen because the SILLY 'malaysia boleh' consept……
IF there are NO national car maker here………..
We can get a toyota altis or CIVIC at just RM60k………altis is just a taxi in
neighbour country :( because so many tax we paid to protect p1 and p2……..RIDICULOUS
Instead, we get the CRAP proton and p2 with this price……
Aw c'mon.. shared platform is a common thing everywhere around the world. Even if Mitsu share Exora and you say it's low class, Mitsu will sell Exora in low class markets, such as South America. It's a win win situation. It's strategy. It's business. When you talk about pride and passion, it's only in the sports and supercar sector. We don't make none o those.
Lancer is a high production car, and that makes sense when it comes to parts and maintenance = cheaper. Good for consumers, yes? Even the car price itself, once rid of taxes will be significantly cheaper.
Unless proton decides to use own engine. Then again, thye can offer a large variety if specs using all sorts of engines from Mitsu and Proton.
pala lutut hang kimi oii.. hang pi tengok harga keter caroi berapa di singapore? proton saga blm pun belum tentu hang mmpu beli di singapore tuu… situ mana ada keter nasional depa?
u are the silly one kimi.
Tax la, Proton Sux la, 25 years la, GOV la, Malaysia Boleh, neighbour cheaper la.
USELESS lor talk to all this people. Tak habis kerja gua kalau bergaduh pasal benda ni. Terangkan lebih lanjut pun tak guna. Macam curahkan air ke daun keladi.. This people will and ever will blame Proton & Gov. eventhough proton at the top of the world also they will blame. wasting my energy typing this craps comment.
1st ever proton car with quick shift ??
fadzly,
this is malaysians laa.. normal laa.. all the good malaysian, who can contribute good things to the community and the world all migrated already, and live happily abroad. whats now left are the rotten ones, who elected the rotten among them to lead, then everybody keep whining everyday, gov this, gov that.. what to do.. since these rotten ones cannot migrate, no country want to accept ma..
Hello and Salamz,
I'm seeing two main groups arguing in this fine car-masturbating website. The Autobots and Decepticons. Both parties has their own good points. Perhaps a brief lesson in the history of Proton will give us a better perspective what actually happened.
It is just so happen when Proton was launched many years back with their very first Saga Model, they've made an alliance with the 'devil' from the East aka the Japanese Car Makers; Mistubishi. During that time, which is the 1980's, Japan was the main player in the world's economy before its bubble economy went down in the 1990's. So it was a norm, for everybody to look high on the Japanese (China is still sleeping at that time). It's just a matter of choosing the right partner to run your business.
Unfortunately, Mitsubishi, a well-known established business entity will obviously not share all of their technological advancement in car making with Proton. It was obvious, during that time, Proton was conned by Mistubishi and the well-know poor quality materials used by the Malaysians' vendors only adds salt to the wound. Hence, Proton cars are well known as "Tin Milo", fuel-guzzler and etc. But luckily, Proton learned their lessons, they remove the Mitsubishi alliance by alligning itself with other car manufacturers such as Renault (engine), Bosch (gear system etc), and the best investment Proton has ever made is owning Lotus (handling, engines etc.).
The lesson to be learned is that, Proton should only choose reliable partner whom are willing to share their Engineering expertise. Big companies such as Mistubsihi are not Engineering Entity anymore, they're basically ruthless money-hungry Business Entity. Proton should enhance its Research and Development by pairing itself with other smaller but more establish car enthusiast such as the already own Lotus. By doing so, Proton Long Investment and Engineering entity are well secured. They shouldn't have sold that Agusta (for 1 Dollar Euro?), as they too have that excellent engineering capabilities.
My final verdict, do not trust that big 'M' as they've conned you once before. If you can't lower your car pricing (which will not happen) so at least, keep your side of the bargain by delivering us Malaysians with good quality cars.
Notes: My Proton Persona bought on February 2009 (so its about 4 months old now); Among the major and minor repairs have carried out: knocking sound at suspension, power-window driver side failure, rubber-sealant at door peel off and amazingly Car Battery went down! Currently, I'm listening to an awkward deep grumbling sound coming from the engine and the compressor is getting noisier than usual. I do hope nothing bad will happen. Proton should also concentrate on its Quality Checks and Quality Assurance. Remove your vendor whom are not performing well (that's why you're hiring that ex-BMW guy as your Quality Manager). Deliver-ability or Procurement is important as well, you promise something to come in 1 month make sure you keep that promise. Business is build with TRUST and not just money. Proton must improve now or die trying.
Kalau tak ada nasional car nanti orang kata gov tak buat apa apa ke untuk kemajuan negara. Apa pasal negara tak maju? Duit banyak keluar ke negara luar and bla bla bla. Macam Tuan dan Kaldai.
wat to do mah,this rotten ones also dream to own cheap toyota and honda car,all thing want cheap..
I think it clearly show that the people management the company has no competency of running the running as competitive in the world even being supported and sheltered on the consumer's rights. After 25 years, going back to the re-badge era just show where has all the R&D fund gone for the past 25 years? Might as well save the G some money and invest in other industry like housing? Also, where is the improve transportation project which is raised every time during election (lets check this in the next election), and where is the $$ gone? It is time to let go of this industry.
win win situation between proton – mitsu
proton get lancer… will have lotus handling
save Millions Ringgit on R&D. Potential market not as large as persona or saga.
Mitsu get Exora… rebranding, export to other country those Proton not explore yet.
I think this arragement will benefit proton most.
Big Questioan is… when mitsu will rebadge our EXORA?
shoryuken said,
June 27, 2009 @ 2:16 pm
I think it clearly show that the people management the company has no competency of running the running as competitive in the world even being supported and sheltered on the consumer’s rights. After 25 years, going back to the re-badge era just show where has all the R&D fund gone for the past 25 years? Might as well save the G some money and invest in other industry like housing? Also, where is the improve transportation project which is raised every time during election (lets check this in the next election), and where is the $$ gone? It is time to let go of this industry.
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That politics man but this is automotive blog, so go somewhere else..
Did you even read the news, or read other post in this blog or other comment in this post, other car manufacturer also do the platform sharing thing and what i heard is that mitsu also will use our car and rebadge it to mitsu car.
or maybe its a piece of fake shit replica.
haha
who know?
maybe campro in lancer replica is underpowered.
dats can solved by installing GT-wing
haha
+1 here
i will buy it
SY0H,
for your information BMW have special "M" division that stand for MOTORSPORTS, because of BMW big involvement in racing motorsports they keep doing technology transfer from it and invent so many new technology (BMW WIN 34 INTERNATIONAL ENGINE AWARD!).. same goes to MITSUBISHI, they have MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION project, more known as EVO, which test the MIVEC engine in World Rally Championship (WRC).
untuk pengetahuan awak BMW ada division special bernama "M" yang bermaksud MOTORSPORTS, disebabkan penglibatan ekstrem BMW dalam sukan permotoran antarabangsa, BMW kerap kali buat pemindahan teknologi ke dalam kereta-kereta komersial BMW.. sama juga seperti MITSUBISHI yang mempunyai projek MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTIO, lebih dikenali sebagai EVO, dimana MITSUBISHI menguji enjin MIVEC di dalam World Rally Championship (WRC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer_Ev…
SY0H wrote,
"Big companies such as Mistubsihi are not Engineering Entity anymore, they’re basically ruthless money-hungry Business Entity."
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for your information MITSUBISHI still among the big companies in Japan, MITSUBISHI is really a big player in devoloping Japan R&D.. last year MITSUBISHI build own big rocket to carry Japanese high broadband internet satellite connection 1.2Gbps! WORLD FASTEST INTERNET SATELLITE SPEED, and MITSUSBISHI also involved in making JAPAN #1 WORLD FASTES INTERNET SPEED CONNECTION and also helping Japan to be #1 THE CHEAPEST INTERNET IN WHOLE WORLD! Mitsubishi also build Japanese tank Type 90 for Japan army.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Motors http://www.jaxa.jp/article/special/transportation… http://www.jaxa.jp/projects/sat/winds/index_e.htm… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_90
MITSUBISHI not just making cars, same like other Japanese TOYOTA, HONDA, YAMAHA and others.. they are not just focus on only making cars, they have various type of business (they can keep utilized their experience in other business to be implement in their car business), even Germany automotive company also like that, example like BMW and Mercedes, they are not just making cars.. BMW also make airplane and motorcycle, Mercedes built lorry and bus.. the benefit of having various type of business is so much including the revenue and profit can be divided equally to all their group of business, this something PROTON must learn from the successful Japan and German automotive companies.. but the challenge also is very big because the management is more complex (GM from USA have failed to handle so much company and now are going bankcrupt) but if you can manage well all of your groups of company then you will gain alot of benefit from it.
if PROTON want to success,.. they must have a good partnership from outside and trying to transfer the technology everytime they have partnership with outsider.. and more important to have a very good quality of product and heart of customers, customer is the king, if customer not satisfy with the quality, services and its value.. and tell others do not buy PROTON, then PROTON cannot move forward… look at GM, they dying right know because of so many issue.. whole world more trusting Japanese and German car brand right know.
for those who comes out with good comment..and info..thnx a lot and for those who arguing or fight for something that is baseless..pity u guys. dont be stupid..those ppl at p1..or even mitsu still getting their lucrative salary. chill up..like it or not..p1 or even our rebadge p2..still the best selling car in our country. enjoy ur day.
hahahaha glad i didnt buy Lancer GLS/GT (it make Lancer look cheap)
if this model is upcoming proton, sure another hot cake from p1, but how about the price? still selling waja price <65k???
korang ne baru jer kua gamba dah heboh2…
korang neh komen apebenda haram ntah..
kalo yer pon proton nak rebadge mitsubishi dorang skarang dah ade expertise .. bukannya rebadge mcm tu je…ntah2 bukan .. ntah2 dorang tengah test enjin cps 1.8?? baru satu kete neh…. dah hentam macam gila babeng..! b***h! perodua tuh yang xabeh2 rebadge.. tu yg patut kena hentam kaw2.
Stop arguing about re-badge as the mighty Toyota also has similar model from GM:
The Pontiac Vibe is currently produced there along with the Toyota Matrix, its platform mate. GM has stated that it's already negotiating with Toyota to produce a new model at NUMMI that would be sold under one of the automaker's remaining four brands – Chevy, Buick, Cadillac or GMC.
Peugeot 3008=Mit Colt; 4008=Mit Outlander
Toyota Aygo=Peugeot=Citroen; Fiat 500=Ford Ka
Volvo s40=Carisma=Waja?
To conclude: business must follow head not heart especially STUPID heart. No point having a small volume car from sketch if you're only digging your very own grave!
For those incapable to think properly before comment; please READ READ READ. Even Mercedes rebadge Ssangyong!
Personally if you ask me, I do not think what Proton is doing here is wrong. A sedan priced above the RM70k mark (and the Persona) enters the territory of too many non-Malaysian sedans, and in that segment, the acceptance of a Proton product is rather low.
If they can get a product that's already proven to be popular, rebadge it, and sell it in order to get some quick money to boost cashflow, they can go back with that additional cash and do R&D for their cheaper and more mass-market products.
In addition, with Mitsubishi in the weak position they are in now, I think Proton may be able to get a good deal on the license and CKD kits.
I do not believe this is the direction Proton will be going with all their products. This is just another low volume offering that can boost their bank balance.
Of course, you don't have to see things the way I see, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so there's really no need to argue, fight or scold each other if you are in disagreement. We can be civilized.
yeah u r rite,paul.
lolx.
but can we complain anthing bad abt proton to gov?
haha
everyone will agree..
we need to united and fight l0l.
at least,we get better car.
and not shitty car.
Nothing wrong with Proton doing….they just offering a car that already popular, trusted and just rebanged it rather than spent on R&D to venture in car segment that proven they are loser previously…
If U want, buy it..Proton will not suffer if you don't buy it because they are protected and it produced in small scale…If you don't want, don't pening2 just keep your hand far from the keyboard and sit tight!!
For Proton, what next? new engine? R&D on SUV? new replacement model for Perdana? Hopefully as big as Toyota Camry… :)
Peace..
can't wait to see more picture of the new waja
Prefer Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 2.0L…
Please rebadge Mazda….
Adoi, in the long run mitsu is going to use TMalim plant as one of its asean passenger car based, thus half of teh investment in assembling Proton Lancer (Waja FMC) will be covered by MMC. KOrang nih cerita, pernah tgk ke kilang kereta? nak manage stock spare parts camna for after sales? berapa bnyk investment untuk intelligent tester, special tools, manuals, warranty, legal fees untuk warranty terms esp benda yg related dgn production? paint skid yg kena redesign, hemming tools, manpower/manhours yg kena train? ok lah, kata org malaysia tak suka beli proton, buat rebadge lancer just untuk complement product line ok lah tuh, nak invest lagi berapa ratus juta kang kualiti half cook korang kutuk jugak, beli tak pon, bising je (or entah2 beli saga je mampu, pastuh cerita mcm ada 10 kereta dlm garage). Proton can concentrate on certain core models, this is good business sense. Kalau dgn VW pon camni jugak dia buat, VW might take Saga MK2 as their low cost car and jual kat South America.
SYHOH said MITSUBISHI has it owned rocket…send something…to outer space…blar blar.Gov should ask MITSUBISHI to take over Potong Car.
tunomura wrote..
For Proton, what next? new engine? R&D on SUV? new replacement model for Perdana? Hopefully as big as Toyota Camry… :)
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good suggestion there.. PROTON EXORA MPV can be upgraded to be SUV (Sport Utility Vehicle) and then High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMVV), a very advance MPV, SUV, JEEP lookalike that have missile built into the vehicle and very tough one.. THE MARKET IS VERY BIG!!! it is about 50 countries using HMVV..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Mobility_Multip…
MITSUBISHI already built Japanese Main Battle Tanks (MBT) for Japanese army like Type90, Type97, Type74.. so much la.. all using MITSUBISHI technology, the diesel engine with supercharged system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Japan… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_90 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_97_Chi-Ha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_61 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_74
Japan and Malaysia didn't have High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMVV) yet, I think PROTON and MITSUBISHI can coorporate to built this type of vehicle which have a very big market (about 50 countries recently) using it right now.. MITSUBISHI have the engine and advance tank technology while PROTON have the market for South East Asia and also LOTUS British engineering.. currently Japan and MITSUBISHI build the Type10 tank, this tank have what kind like HONDA ASIMO advance technology of facial recognition ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, they called it "Image Recognition Type Mine Detector", Japan is #1 in ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE technology, they have the FIFTH GENERATION COMPUTER in progress right now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffNiosiPlxY http://www.mod.go.jp/trdi/en/programs/ground/grou… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_artificia… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_generation_com…
hopefully Malaysia-Japan can cooperate more than just PROTON-MITSUBISHI.. MALAYSIA need JAPAN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE technology and marvellous GERMAN ENGINEERING.. if Malaysia can get all this technology them through PROTON-MITSUBISHI and PETRONAS-BMW-YAMAHA, then it will be very good for advancing Malaysia science and technology related industries.
long live PROTON WAJALUTION.. aim to be WRC CHAMPION next year!!!
1. it's time the government relook the purpose of proton. why was is started in the first place and has it achieved its objective? that would be to spearhead development and become an engine of growth. i say yes proton has achieved these objectives.
2. moving forward what is the long term national goal or objective? this is what has been left unanswered or is still unclear. over the years, there just seems to be lack in continuity in the company. every new administration has put up its own set of ideas to pursue. i am curious what will happen to the waja platform when and if this so called lancer replaces the waja? how much was spent on the waja project again? and what is to become of the savvy? chancellor? u got to the campro, not what? dont tell me there is no further need to develop new engines?
it would be foolish to continue believing proton is run purely as a business without any national interest when they still enjoy a degree of advantages. that is fine, but in order to continue to enjoy these priviliges, the government must clearly justify what is proton's contribution and role to the country. bukanlah takat produce kereta je. don't u think so?
looking at the photo closely, it should be some form of mule being tested. i doubt it is the replacement model in its full appearance because the vehicle would by practice be heavilly masked. still looks very much a lancer.
if the car in this photo belonged to a distributor, the trade plates would not be mounted in such a way.
After reading soo many comments, I feel you guys are maybe reading too much into this picture… Possible Waja replacement? Good…provided no 1.6 Crap-Piece-of-Shit engine. Sharing platform/tech from proven tech is excellent idea. Proton has got too many overdue cars to replace and no budget to R&D. Economies of scale laa…
It all goes back to the question of Quality, Reliability and After sales service. The root of Proton's woes. I sympathise with SY0H with his persona as it is classic example of good idea with crappy implementation. Low grade parts and shoddy building standards.
No point intro new cars if can't fix their core manufacturing standards.
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hitman said,
looking at the photo closely, it should be some form of mule being tested. i doubt it is the replacement model in its full appearance because the vehicle would by practice be heavilly masked. still looks very much a lancer.
if the car in this photo belonged to a distributor, the trade plates would not be mounted in such a way.
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To think when the Toyota Wish cars were seen as a mule MPV for Exora, this may be the same case. Just a shell to test a new engine… etc.
KC wrote,
Prefer Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 2.0L…
Please rebadge Mazda….
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about Mazda, I have to admit they have a very nice looking design cars.. I want to suggest if we Malaysian want to have a very good design like Mazda cars then how about PROTON gather all the best ART & DESIGN and also MULTIMEDIA, COMPUTER SCIENCE and ENGINEERING related university students from whole Malaysia and outside Malaysia and make "CAR DESIGN : CAD and CLAY MODEL COMPETITION".. and have a vote via sms and also from PROTON official website or upload it on youtube and Paul Tan blog (from there can generate more money also from sms and advertising).. plus it is not very costly to have a nearly complete car prototype.
the winner of the clay model competition will get more scholarship and guarantee a place in PROTON or other Malaysia automotive company..
Germans company like BMW and Volkswagen have done alot of clay model for their cars before they produce the real car (they want to test the market first.. see how clever german automotive company).. here I share some of youtube videos of German industry design and approach including clay model approach.. from CAD (using high tech computer) to Clay Model (not so costly)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCc142ueScw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnuH5No_aXM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZhhIB5K0nU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnJzHVCjedQ
can see alot of German automotive industry videos at this German youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoMotoTVgerman
this is German automotive approach, there is alot more to learn from a very fascinating and interesting automotive industry and engineering from all over this world.. keep a good job Paul Tan, it is very good you share your knowledge with Malaysians here.. educate them better, Malaysia need more people like Paul Tan who have good review on automotive industry.:)
Paul Tan said,
June 27, 2009 @ 9:28 pm
Of course, you don’t have to see things the way I see, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so there’s really no need to argue, fight or scold each other if you are in disagreement. We can be civilized.
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I do agree paul, but some/a little just too craps to be accepted. When will our user/blogger will be 'matured' and not speculating too negatively about Proton & Gov
Pergh walaweh…
confirm this is the waja replacement?
when it will come out for production?
x sabar rasanya nak start wajalution back
IAMMALAYSIAN said,
June 28, 2009 @ 12:29 am
After reading soo many comments, I feel you guys are maybe reading too much into this picture… Possible Waja replacement? Good…provided no 1.6 Crap-Piece-of-Shit engine. Sharing platform/tech from proven tech is excellent idea. Proton has got too many overdue cars to replace and no budget to R&D. Economies of scale laa…
It all goes back to the question of Quality, Reliability and After sales service. The root of Proton’s woes. I sympathise with SY0H with his persona as it is classic example of good idea with crappy implementation. Low grade parts and shoddy building standards.
No point intro new cars if can’t fix their core manufacturing standards.
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No it's not all. I'm using my persona without all those things happen to me.. Those might be a minor to some people. This couldnot be a sole conclusion that all persona was a crap and low grade parts! But definitely proton will take care of their customer if they having problems!
IAMMALAYSIAN wrote,
It all goes back to the question of Quality, Reliability and After sales service. The root of Proton’s woes. I sympathise with SY0H with his persona as it is classic example of good idea with crappy implementation. Low grade parts and shoddy building standards.
No point intro new cars if can’t fix their core manufacturing standards.
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I am agree with you continuous improvement is very important, quality is very important.. why many Malaysian still buy Japanese cars like Honda Civic, Toyota Camry for example,.. and why so many Malaysian CEO, high level people prefer Mercedes, BMW cars??.. it is because of quality and very good service after sales..
the Japanese practice what they called KAIZEN (continuos improvement) in all their product, and that philosophy already make them very successful player in automotive industry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_improveme…
Japanese KAIZEN have 5 basic rule
1) Team work
2) Personal Discipline
3) Improved morale
4) Quality circles
5) Suggestions for improvement
and also rules on how to eliminate wastes which is in practice on TOYOTA factory right now..
Seiri- tidiness
Seiton- Orderliness
Seiso- Cleanliness
Seiketsu- Standardized clean- up
Shitsuke – Discipline
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Production_Sy…
somehow, our mindset must be advance like the Germans and Japanese also.. PROTON must considers their customers comment and critism to improve themselve (that's one of the rule of Kaizen), if we only think about money with no concrete future plan (feel so easy on government protection) then we cannot keep the pace, catch-up with them.. PROTON need to test their ability out there, this world is very big.. hopefully PROTON can enter USA and Europe market (there are alot of rich people there) and also enter China and India market (economy market).. and also take care of Malaysia test market… customer is the king, if customer don't like it, we must make them like it.. PROTON service centre cannot said "ini biasalah" when customer send their cars to service of some problem.. they must know how heart-broken when customer hear that kind of word.. car price is not like buying goreng pisang, people think twice maybe 3 or 4 time before buying it (it is like whole one year or 2 years of your salary to gather just to buy one single car in Malaysia).. and don't make them regret after buying it..
jus give me good reliable quality , i wont mind the crap service really…
lancer waja fortis
http://paultan.org/archives/2008/03/19/taiwanese-…
In Japan they sell MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X in this range of price..
¥ 3,495,450.00 = RM 128,651(Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR)
¥ 3,750,600.00 = RM 138,083 (Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X Twin-Clutch SST)
¥ 2,997,750.00 = RM 110,367.75 (Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X SR)
when MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X come Malaysia it become about RM315,440 but why so many people want to convert their PROTON cars to become EVO??
there is too many reason.. maybe it is because FAST&FURIOS hollywood movie where MITSUBISHI supply their evo to that Hollywood movie, or maybe they see Jackie Chan (Hong Kong Kungfu star) really like to use Mitsubishi cars.. but I believed the strong reason why is because MITSUBISHI won 4 times World Rally Championship (WRC) titles during 1996 to 1999 in a row!
the other reason is MITSUBISHI won The Car of the Year Japan 2007-2008 Special Award “Most Fun” by the Car of the Year Japan Supervisory Board and the “Good Design Award 2007-2008? by Japan Industrial Design Promotion Organization (JIDPRO).
as you can see this blog thread already want to reach 200 comments already on only spy shot of the back side of PROTON WAJALUTION (in just 2 days).. so many people interested in PROTON WAJALUTION cars..
THE MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X car design is the best in Japan before the NISSAN GT-R car come out (all the success of the cars are related to their heavy involvement in racing motorsports, EVO success in WRC, GT-R success in Super GT).. people around the world are very crazy to have same success like their idol.. PROTON not reach that level yet, even Tengku Djan (son of previous PROTON CEO, Tengku Mahaleel) who the head of PROTON MOTORSPORTS use TOYOTA COROLLA AE86 and NISSAN SILVIA to compete in world stage.. Tengku Djan finished 5th in the D1 Grand Prix's 2006 and 4th place in the D1 Grand Prix's 2007 "World All-Star" tournament at Irwindale Speedway.. hen even defeat the USA drift champion
even Japanese Drift King, Keichii Tsuchiya really amazed with Tengku Djan ability and keep shouting Djan, Djan all the time..LOL
and they make special video asking Tengku Djan to show how he handle the car to do drifting to the Japanese, and Tengku Djan speak in bahasa Malaysia.. waa, he really proud to be Malaysian.. youtube videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0VPGKLVc-c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYXc_ev0sE
that's one reason why Malaysia really crazy in drifting.. I think PROTON must compete in D1GP in Japan next year using at least this PROTON WAJALUTION.. Malaysia really do well in Japan #1 racing motorsports event the SUPER GT which is currently PETRONAS TOM'S (using TOYOTA LEXUS SC430) is currently #2 in SUPER GT GT500 class (last year 2008 is SUPER GT CHAMPION!) and MUTIARA MOTORSPORT MALAYSIA (using Mazda RX-8 car) is currently leading #1 in SUPER GT GT300 class.
hopefully there will be PROTON cars more involve in racing motorsports and transfer the technology into PROTON commercial cars and have a very good quality and best customer service after sales.
PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION!!!
M9,
I really don't think this this new PROTON WAJALUTION is the same as Taiwan version of Mitsubishi Lancer Fortis.. you can see from the spyshot picture above its back is more to MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X (the newest Evo).. the lamp the car back lamp there is not even equal to Mitsubishi Lancer Fortis.
compare the pictures in the link that you provide with this official MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X (Japan EVO official website)
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/evo/gallery/in…
hopefully the front side is very GARANG like the original MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X that already win Good Design Award 2007-2008? by Japan Industrial Design Promotion Organization (JIDPRO).
MITSUBISHI really want to make money, PROTON want technology transfer.. hopefully our Malaysia automotive industry will move forward and gain more benefit with MALAYSIA-JAPAN, PROTON-MITSUBISHI partnership :)
after this we will see PROTON WAJALUTION with very fierce tiger logo!!!
PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION!!!
hitman and IAMMALAYSIAN,
if PROTON use MITSUBISHI as mule then they is no need to modify the design of lower side of cars appearance
Paul Tan make a review about PROTON EXORA use TOYOTA WISH to test the CAMPRO CPS engine, as you can see there is no modify do to the appearance of that car (just the engine is PROTON CAMPRO CPS) and weird number plate.. that's it!
http://paultan.org/archives/2008/02/27/first-sigh…
now try to compare this PROTON WAJALUTION with the official MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X appearance in Japan (this is the official gallery of MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X of Japan)
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/evo/gallery/in…
try to compare it, isn't the picture Paul Tan post is very similar to MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION that currently sell in Japan..
PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION, now under Roaring Tiger logo!!!
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Author: fadzly
Comment:
Paul Tan said,
June 27, 2009 @ 9:28 pm
Of course, you don’t have to see things the way I see, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so there’s really no need to argue, fight or scold each other if you are in disagreement. We can be civilized.
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I do agree paul, but some/a little just too craps to be accepted. When will our user/blogger will be 'matured' and not speculating too negatively about Proton & Gov
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I agreed with Paul as well. This blog is for information and another resources for manufacturer to review their products from customer prospective.
Therefore it would be good to give concrete and justified criticism(s) toward the Proton and government to have a willingness to open heart to learn instead arrogant and over proud as empty shell Malaysia. In term economy, we are far away from our rich neighbor whereby their natural resources is PEOPLE & HUMAN RESOURCES. This I need to emphasize as our country leaderships is too arrogant to accept the facts. Be HUMBLE to learn. That is my advices to those self-proud and arrogant people. *PEACE*
so now proton is a rebadge co. juz like pero2?…i tot proton sooooooo gud in design cars…wakakakaka
ok now people. stop speculating. today has been held a career talk in kuantan by syed malek faisal (the one who tune n made the exora engine) . he said there will be n campro turbo engine next year. and. he CONFIRMED that the new waja replacement model will be based on the new LANCER (with some chopping. of course). so all of u can stop saying its only a gossip.
kkchai said,
June 28, 2009 @ 11:30 am
Attn: fadzly
Author: fadzly
Comment:
Paul Tan said,
June 27, 2009 @ 9:28 pm
Of course, you don’t have to see things the way I see, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so there’s really no need to argue, fight or scold each other if you are in disagreement. We can be civilized.
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I do agree paul, but some/a little just too craps to be accepted. When will our user/blogger will be ‘matured’ and not speculating too negatively about Proton & Gov
—
I agreed with Paul as well. This blog is for information and another resources for manufacturer to review their products from customer prospective.
Therefore it would be good to give concrete and justified criticism(s) toward the Proton and government to have a willingness to open heart to learn instead arrogant and over proud as empty shell Malaysia. In term economy, we are far away from our rich neighbor whereby their natural resources is PEOPLE & HUMAN RESOURCES. This I need to emphasize as our country leaderships is too arrogant to accept the facts. Be HUMBLE to learn. That is my advices to those self-proud and arrogant people. *PEACE*
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Trust me.. they're not as arrogant as like u see..they are far too knowledgeable from us interms of OUR economy and they really know what to do in long terms. They are not simply from the craps who don't have expertise and running our economy system like crazy. They are 'The Creme de la Creme'. We ourself knows NOTHING. If not, our country would not be prosperous like we have now.
Dont compare us to the 'people & human resources' country which 'i know u know who'. Is that a natural resources? Rilex. If only we can do that. But the only problem is Rakyat. Do they willing to be like that? Infact 'that country' event dont have the 'people & human resources'! They keep importing and importing, and even my father works there. without importing this workers, can they live? I dont think so.. The only thing that they rich is services. Without this, they are dumb. If not because of their GST, with alot of TAX (the Tax of a car which can get a new car in malaysia), CPF money, lack of subsidies in medical, education etc, and all this things from their OWN rakyat. Do you want Our gov to be like that? If not, thus i dont see that our government really arrogant and dont care about Rakyat.. The only arrogant is us
Just my 2cents
and PEACE too..
dcwhz83: that's benefits of doubt given, though IMHO, most who'd talk about that are not like what u said, but just mindlessly bashing proton bcuz they believe they are the smartest arses in the world. Also, I think bcuz they're closet racists.
kkchai: well, u're entitled to ur own opinion, though to most people, Proton is relatively a sporty car bcuz of Lotus handling, sportier than most bread-and-butter car like vios, city, civic, latio, jazz, yaris, swift etc as per according to ur criteria.
It's kinda pointless to compare BMWs with Gen.2 bcuz the winner is too obvious plus the target market is different. But if the target market is the same ie compare Gen.2 with cars in its class, then I have confidence Gen.2 is sportiest of them all, and most value-for-money. Since Gen.2 is awful to drive to u, then I suppose jap cars are absolutely rubbish then.
Again, u're entitled to your opinion. This is mine. Though I think ur opinion is highly biased cuz u do sound like u've nvr driven most other jap (other than mazda) and korean cars, and that the only cars u've driven in ur life are europeans.
4G63T DSM: Tell u what I think,
Persona vs vios vs city vs latio saloon
Gen.2 vs jazz vs latio hatchback vs yaris vs swift. Gen.2 is a hatchback, NOT a saloon.
Waja replacement (soon-to-be lancer rebadge) vs corolla altis vs civic vs sylphy vs mazda3 vs ford focus saloon vs err… who else?
future perdana replacement (hopefully) vs accord vs camry vs mazda6
So its a sin for proton to build "2 sedans in the same size category", but not others simply becuz they're Japanese. As I see it, they're (persona, waja n perdana) not the same category. Of course, they only appear to be, but it shows the trend of how cars keep growing bigger, yesterday's accord/camry is today's city/vios, and that waja's and perdana's replacement is due for soooo long. Then, when it's about to appear, you'd scoff at how proton is building 2 saloons in the same size category. I'm not sure of the exact dimensions, but I am absolutely positive the lancer is noticably bigger than persona.
As about gen.2/persona, one is a hatchback, another is a saloon. Why don't u bash toyota for selling yaris and vios? Honda for selling city n jazz? Nissan for selling latio hatchback AND saloon? Mazda for selling mazda3 saloon and hatchback?
I will not buy a jap car because have to pay RM20k more than my friend from thailand. So I'll just wait for the WajaLancer and do a widebody turbo luxury conversion for RM20k.
kodok ko ni bodoh r, ko tak masuk kolej komuniti ke. Takkan r sume model nak R&D, habis r duit wei. Proton tu bukannya kompeni besar, kete dia pun takla bagus sangat. Bukannya boleh jual sejuta bijik setahun. Share platform r sesetengah model, nanti kang rasa2 ada duit lebih, buat r R&D utk model lain plak. Ko nak aku terangkan Prinsip Pengurusan dalam bahasa jarman ke?
hmm… our neighbouring country tht's rich?? haha.. not that rich… i mean the people because everything they have to pay … n the country also not that rich la.
of course they are arrogant people that need to be changed… i think you've read this before.. making Proton is just another plan to prevent cash flow from going overseas as it is with P2… and to create work for Malaysians.. to Proton give that ex-Beemer quality man to work it out at P1 quality department la.. he's just in !
nighttrain said,
June 28, 2009 @ 4:06 pm
I will not buy a jap car because have to pay RM20k more than my friend from thailand. So I’ll just wait for the WajaLancer and do a widebody turbo luxury conversion for RM20k.
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NICE.. What a good idea.. 20k is a lot of modification!
"Close down Proton please !
and let the car market be free~
no more wasting our hard earn money.."
…..in the dream
Author: fadzly
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kkchai said,
June 28, 2009 @ 11:30 am
Attn: fadzly
Author: fadzly
Comment:
Paul Tan said,
June 27, 2009 @ 9:28 pm
Of course, you don’t have to see things the way I see, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so there’s really no need to argue, fight or scold each other if you are in disagreement. We can be civilized.
—
I do agree paul, but some/a little just too craps to be accepted. When will our user/blogger will be ‘matured’ and not speculating too negatively about Proton & Gov
—
I agreed with Paul as well. This blog is for information and another resources for manufacturer to review their products from customer prospective.
Therefore it would be good to give concrete and justified criticism(s) toward the Proton and government to have a willingness to open heart to learn instead arrogant and over proud as empty shell Malaysia. In term economy, we are far away from our rich neighbor whereby their natural resources is PEOPLE & HUMAN RESOURCES. This I need to emphasize as our country leaderships is too arrogant to accept the facts. Be HUMBLE to learn. That is my advices to those self-proud and arrogant people. *PEACE*
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Trust me.. they're not as arrogant as like u see..they are far too knowledgeable from us interms of OUR economy and they really know what to do in long terms. They are not simply from the craps who don't have expertise and running our economy system like crazy. They are 'The Creme de la Creme'. We ourself knows NOTHING. If not, our country would not be prosperous like we have now.
Dont compare us to the 'people & human resources' country which 'i know u know who'. Is that a natural resources? Rilex. If only we can do that. But the only problem is Rakyat. Do they willing to be like that? Infact 'that country' event dont have the 'people & human resources'! They keep importing and importing, and even my father works there. without importing this workers, can they live? I dont think so.. The only thing that they rich is services. Without this, they are dumb. If not because of their GST, with alot of TAX (the Tax of a car which can get a new car in malaysia), CPF money, lack of subsidies in medical, education etc, and all this things from their OWN rakyat. Do you want Our gov to be like that? If not, thus i dont see that our government really arrogant and dont care about Rakyat.. The only arrogant is us
Just my 2cents
and PEACE too..
Honestly, I only see major M'sian citizen suffering and M'sia is not very prosperous. If our leader are so smart & humble, I would see we already surplus the little middle kingdom.
Yes Singapore import a lot talent from all around the world and also low-skill worker from M'sia. The end result is their citizen got the benefit. They gotten skillful Chinese & English teachers from the native to teach. Today their English level is above us. I think I stop here. Result is proven in our eye, just do we (the country leader) want to admit our mistake and learn from others.
kodok, kodok…ko duk dlm tempurung ke?? tgk2 la komen bebanyak kat atas tu…bikin panas tul :)
Peace!!
at least it still can't beat the real japanese lancer next time. no offense.
if only there is the 'real' japanese lancer next time..
Guys, this is true. My fren who is working at LOTUS told me about this a few months back. He said that a new Proton model would be the same with new Lancer. What he told me was Proton will change the front and rear bumper only for external body. I did not get details info from him about the engine. Should wait for this ….cooooll.
i dont agree when malaysian car copy from another foreign car..
so embarrase me as malaysian citizen..
please make your own model…
guys just try to compare this PROTON WAJALUTION picture that Paul Tan post with the latest MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X from official MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION (Japan/Nippon website).. see can you see so much similarity, only the lower part appearance is being modify.. hopefully the front side is very garang like the original japanese version of MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X
http://paultan.org/image/lancer-gt-proton.jpg http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/evo/
hopefully the front side is very GARANG like the original MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X that already win Good Design Award 2007-2008 by Japan Industrial Design Promotion Organization (JIDPRO). MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X is the winner of the prestigious Good Design Award (“Product Design / Passenger Vehicles and Related Goods and
Devices” category).
for those who don't understand Japanese language can download the info report in .pdf format file here
http://www.mitsubishipress.co.uk/press_site/press…
anyway enjoy JAPAN/NIPPON D1GP PROFESSIONAL DRIFT video (Mitsubishi Lancer is in that event!).. it have a very good handling, hopefully Malaysia version of PROTON WAJALUTION will have the best quality of this EVO..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPTg1X-Yj60
REVIVE THE PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION!
Are we forgetting another proton car which has caused controversy with some states?
Perdana should be replaced before more people change it to camry's and Merc's
orangbiasa said,
June 28, 2009 @ 9:47 pm
i dont agree when malaysian car copy from another foreign car..
so embarrase me as malaysian citizen..
please make your own model…
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They already did, 5 models to be exact :- Waja, Gen 2, Savvy, Persona & Exora
dont jump to the conclusion.. this only the beginning but too many rumour about rebatch the model & what so ever.. maybe proton used the car for test mule / benchmark for new waja.. same what their did on wish for exora.. who knows rite??? We malaysian are educated people so we must acting as educated people dont put rumour & negative comments..
orangbiasa said,
June 28, 2009 @ 9:47 pm
i dont agree when malaysian car copy from another foreign car..
so embarrase me as malaysian citizen..
please make your own model…
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Pls tell that to Perodua.
Tiadaid said,
June 28, 2009 @ 10:31 pm
orangbiasa said,
June 28, 2009 @ 9:47 pm
i dont agree when malaysian car copy from another foreign car..
so embarrase me as malaysian citizen..
please make your own model…
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They already did, 5 models to be exact :- Waja, Gen 2, Savvy, Persona & Exora
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Than it should be 6 models including Saga BLM..
waaaa.. 200 over comments for only 3 days for PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION^^
3 days = 200 over comments
30 days = 200 x 10 = 2,000 comments
3 monts more = 2,000 x 3 = 6,000 comments
PROTON and MITSUBISHI sure will make alot of money from this PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION!!!^^
so many potential customers for only 3 days (Paul Tan only show the car ass.. and it seems like everybody can smell it.. aaa) somekind of semut meet their gula la..
Robert Kuok #1 richest man in Malaysia will lost to this gula2 PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION!!!
PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION.. will roar in Malaysia road!
PROTON want to involved in WRC next year using PROTON SATRIA NEO S2000.. who knows maybe MITSUBISHI and PROTON is building the WRC turbocharged engine for PROTON WRC project senyap2.. whatever MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION already win 4 times WRC in 4 years straight win
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer_Ev… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer_WR… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Car http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Champion…
REVIVE THE PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION!!! AUUMMM!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8pYcrjH0oA
LOL
xkisah r rebadge kew….
ciplak kew…
yang penting kete ney memang fvret aku..
go, go, proton
Guys;
If you guys keep insisting Perdana-replacement, just answer this question:
Between H Accord, T Camry and Mazda6 which one you'll say NO?
Most of us will be Mazda saying the brand has biggest victim of retaining residual value, not many 3S, etc despite of one of the Japanese best handling and design.
THUS, to offer PRM in this difficult time would be STUPID for Proton unless Proton rebadge Camry Accord or Mazda6!
blo0d said,
June 28, 2009 @ 1:19 pm
ok now people. stop speculating. today has been held a career talk in kuantan by syed malek faisal (the one who tune n made the exora engine) . he said there will be n campro turbo engine next year. and. he CONFIRMED that the new waja replacement model will be based on the new LANCER (with some chopping. of course). so all of u can stop saying its only a gossip.
http://paultan.org/archives/2009/06/26/protons-la…
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Ya Bro, i was there.. speechless…
so, any name for this wajalution? i think Wajalution or Waja Evo both are perfect name to suit the new generation of waja…
Just imagine, the same scenario will come again like what malaysian do with wira in previous years… so, myvi and the big momma p2 mpv just can eat the smoke from wajalution… haha.. nyway.. i'm really waiting to see the final touch up product from proton.. also, want to see the Mitsubishi Exora ..
yo. if you embarrass proton copy, then you should not because they exchange it. read more and you will know it. Lancer for EXORA and Persona.mitsu also want to sell cheaper car.. we also want to have japanese design car for cheaper price. what will u feel when u see persona got mitsu logo on it in other countries. perodua is just doing its job to let you miskin people able to buy japs car. if not dont berangan nk try passo or boon not even a mira a.ka kancil.
Wajalution Fanz.. when they sell this car what ever name they want to I still want to called PROTON WAJALUTION!!!
and then try to drift it on a very high speed at Jeram Toi highway.. the touge/hill battle with my friends.. that road got 4 lines for battle of the HILL DRIFT KING.. should get this car as soon as possible!
imagine 3 days Paul Tan upload a picture of this PROTON WAJALUTION WRC.. well only the ass of it now got over 200 comments.. let's do some mathematic here..
3 days = 200 comments
30 days = 200 x 10 = 2,000 comments
so many potential customers lor… as expected from one Japanese best car desingn of the year!
when PROTON want to open for the booking for this PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION??.. can't wait anymore la..
english?? our english are good enough… why you always have to condemn Malaysia? like u said "low skill worker".. come on! don't look down on your own people… Our people got also got high skill and talent… peace!
fade wrote..
come on! don’t look down on your own people… Our people got also got high skill and talent… peace!
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yeah I want to challenge all the Malaysian especially Malaysia government, are you really dare and have the brave good enouugh to defeat the Germans and Japanese in the skill, talent, technology, science, engineering, economy, business?? do we won even a single noble award or not? why so many talent go outside of Malaysia and never comeback?? even our language really berkecamuk already.. all manglish
I don't think so until we see a system based on full meritocracy being implemented in Malaysia to get the best in the automotive industry… did you guys know that Albert Einstein (FATHER OF PHYSICS) is not american people Einstein but is German USA recognized him as USA citizen and use his superb ability, same goes to Nikola Tesla (FATHER OF ELECTRIC ENGINEERING).. USA give so many citizenship to outsider and fully use their ability that's why USA leading in computer science, technology, #1 SUPERPOWER and #1 ECONOMY POWER.. human resource and recoginizing all our people intelligent is very important in becoming the new superpower from Asia..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_rocke…
why do we recognized PATI but not our own talent because of their skin colour, different race.. I am very sorry to said this but I believe Malaysia have the ability to be the new Asia superpower including to be Malaysia automotive industry.. even in education what the heck quota, not fair at all.. we must get the best people to be our next leader, I wish under this new PM Najib, this loophole will be be fix immediately.. since year 1980, Malaysia currency decreasing like hell but our neighbour at the south who recognize the "waste" from Malaysia is now leading the Asia economy progress, they even #2 in economy performance after USA.. imagine if we, Malaysia recognize our own people and for sure I bet you with everything I have in my life we can defeat our neighbour at the south and even become the new economy superpower in the world.. someday our neighbour will join us to become the family again.
I'm very sorry because now said about politic but this is related about how to improve PROTON and all automotive industries.. PEACE!
I really hate politic.. let focus on automotive industry talk..
fade wrote..
come on! don’t look down on your own people… Our people got also got high skill and talent… peace!
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yeah I want to challenge all the Malaysian especially Malaysia government, are you really dare and have the brave good enouugh to defeat the Germans and Japanese in the skill, talent, technology, science, engineering, economy, business?? do we won even a single noble award or not? why so many talent go outside of Malaysia and never comeback?? even our language really berkecamuk already.. all manglish..
I don't think so until we see a system based on full meritocracy being implemented in Malaysia to get the best in the automotive industry… did you guys know that Albert Einstein (FATHER OF PHYSICS) is not american people Einstein but is German USA recognized him as USA citizen and use his superb ability, same goes to Nikola Tesla (FATHER OF ELECTRIC ENGINEERING).. USA give so many citizenship to outsider and fully use their ability that's why USA leading in computer science, technology, #1 SUPERPOWER and #1 ECONOMY POWER.. human resource and recoginizing all our people intelligent is very important in becoming the new superpower from Asia..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_rocke…
why do we recognized PATI but not our own talent because of their skin colour, different race.. I am very sorry to said this but I believe Malaysia have the ability to be the new Asia superpower including to be Malaysia automotive industry.. even in education what the heck quota, not fair at all.. we must get the best people to be our next leader, I wish under this new PM Najib, this loophole will be be fix immediately.. since year 1980, Malaysia currency decreasing like hell but our neighbour at the south who recognize the "waste" from Malaysia is now leading the Asia economy progress, they even #2 in economy performance after USA.. imagine if we, Malaysia recognize our own people and for sure I bet you with everything I have in my life we can defeat our neighbour at the south and even become the new economy superpower in the world.. someday our neighbour will join us to become the family again.
I'm very sorry because now said about politic but this is related about how to improve PROTON and all automotive industries.. PEACE!
I really hate politic.. let focus on automotive industry talk..
Tokmoh,
4G63T DSM: Tell u what I think,
Persona vs vios vs city vs latio saloon
Gen.2 vs jazz vs latio hatchback vs yaris vs swift. Gen.2 is a hatchback, NOT a saloon.
Waja replacement (soon-to-be lancer rebadge) vs corolla altis vs civic vs sylphy vs mazda3 vs ford focus saloon vs err… who else?
future perdana replacement (hopefully) vs accord vs camry vs mazda6
So its a sin for proton to build “2 sedans in the same size category”, but not others simply becuz they’re Japanese.
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Tokmoh, seriously open your eyes a little. They "can" build more models not because they are Japanese, but they have a bigger market – those cars are sold in far more countries and in volume that Proton can even imagine for the "new waja" (or any of its models put together for that matter). They have ECONOMIES OF SALE.
Just because the Japanese can build 10 different models and sell it here, means you have to ah?
Is it wise for Proton to spend resources and investment just to fit a niche?
This is the weakness of Proton product planners (or thier bosses or Political Masters), they have been historically known to look for short term goals sacrificing long term successes. (Tiara, Juara, Arena, Savvy…). If you've involved yourself in manufacturing you'd know the logistical nightmare that awaits you.
Proton doesn;t need more models. They need to improve thier public perception of thier quality. Launching a "japanese rebadge" isn't going to help your goal of changing public perception of quality. People will buy it because well, it wasn't "made" by proton….lol.
Make your own conclusions, but at least see the bigger picture first, least you get labled as either a blind patriot or supporter.
And for those who want to leave Politics out of this, no such luck I tell you. Because Politics is what has gotten the malaysian automotive industry in this mess in the first place, there is no way you can talk about the malaysian automotive industry and market without involving politics.
local car sucks! buy BMW
personally, I prefer proton to create its own design of the new waja even though lancer is a great car. I still like to think positive.
Proton must be testing lancer as the mule for some reason and maybe later proton will design its own design. Its just like before when proton test toyota wish as the mule and creates its own exora design.
Own design which shows malaysians pride, malaysians products which support malaysians industries and lastly shows malaysians made quality (well, it is actually improving from time to time)
p/s : think positive. dont just bash stupidly.
Attn: kkchai
Aren't you the same kkchai I know who's also a master treasure hunter?
Anyway, I'm looking forward to see the final product. Pity those who have bought the Evolution car. The second hand value sure falls down quicker now, no?
P/S: I can see that the "one-liner basher" has now spoken ;P
PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION said,
June 28, 2009 @ 3:34 am
after this we will see PROTON WAJALUTION with very fierce tiger logo!!!
PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION!!!
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Actually, the WajaLution appears in the photo did have the fierce thundercat logo on the front bumper / bonnet. Wanted to snap but the lights turn green.
One thing for sure it is not a Mitsubishi doing testing to CKD the model.
It is more like Proton using the body as the test mule.
Currently waiting Paul Tan to verify the trade plate whether it is belong to Proton or not.
Who I am is not important. I am no different from other M'sian. I place my comment, trying to be more on concrete and unbiased view to change this country whereby we talk about democracy, we talk about chances to vote our leader and to choose how our life should be, everyone has the chance to live a better living environment without our blood been suck up dry by some people.
I still remember when I was young looking at Dr. M mention the goal of Proton but today I see its objective is not reach. Pity everything we had been a politics talks but no action nor results. =(
aiyya…
lancer & lancer evo different la..
lancer 2wd, lancer evo 4wd.
this new waja = lancer, not lancer evo.
I think Proton should just be the biggest AP holder to import cars and save Government all the R&D fund, so we will enjoy all new cars made by the Japanese/American/German. So with all those official AP holders (Toyota, Honda) and those local-AP holders (just buy a used-car mag to find out), they will compete and throw price, and the consumer will be the winner.
aiyya…
lancer & lancer evo different la..
lancer 2wd, lancer evo 4wd.
this new waja = lancer, not lancer evo.
http://paultan.org/archives/2009/06/26/protons-la…
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buy new wajalution, then
buy half cut. make it 4wd.. also put MMC emblem.. simple mah..
then.. we have Lanver Evo X.. made in malaysia, by malaysian, 1malaysia mah..
so..?
hmm..we're in different scope then..
OEM vs. non-OEM.
i think we have lived in a good environment for all these years… hey i think one discontent here is that the Malaysians can't buy car of overseas makes like our neighbour..??? hahaha.. rileks sudah..
If this is real, too bad for the people who already bought the real mitsubishi lancer…..
I think they did test cps into the body like they did on wish/exora.
Platform sharing is common right now.
No wonder.
Mit got Exora, And P1 got Lancer.
Win2 situation.
It will be my dream car soon.
Just wait and see what hapen next on wajalution.
Regarding PDRM, Say no to Evo, Say yes for Wajalution..
hahaha!
I remember seeing a lot of honda city with covered front + rear bumpers with white sticker. These cars were just leaving Melaka plant. I suppose to protect it from fade or scratch.
Maybe this Lancer just took from warehouse or to be delivered to customer?
I think it being a mule is most likely.. Just hope it's not campro CrappyPieceofSh*t engine…
"attack of the clone" brought to you by Proton
Come on guys, be positive, give Proton a chance to perform. By the way, what is Proton's tag line? Campro the future? Campro my future?
I have no comment on that but lets see what Proton Adviser have to say about this? I hope He can share his point of view on this and contribute to Proton…If not Proton should replace another more capable individual.
If proton cannot resolve quality problem whatever car they build/rebatch still the same, maybe they should find other vendor to supply parts, if not it’s still will not end (quality issue). For powerplant they should consider for using EO1 from Petronas for their new waja since they only have 1.6 powerplant if not people will complaining under power.
wah… so much fuzz here & there…
relax & chill out brothers out there…
no need to hantam lor…
by d way…
have u guys seen a Waja with 4G63T engine but without any MMC related badge or sticker… Just P1 & R3 scheme…
wah.. very syiok woh i tell u when i drove this car…
make myself proud meh… no fuzz oso…
only 1 question…when will it be in showrooms?hurry up!!
guys, whatever you wanna post just do so but please be mindful of your words and please, please read more. This is because there are reasons and justifications why proton as a business entity does this. Please read, because there so much more about the automotive world, or this project that we dont know.
I'm more interested to see how good the styling department of proton can do the nose job and the butt job here. I know they are amongst the best in Malaysia now.
Forget the engine, I heard its gonna be Mitsu's, which is kind of exciting, for me, at least.
stop saying its a copy though. cmni la bro.. tgh2 mslh ekonomi ni. lg bgus la proton ngn mitsu share platform. kalo sme model nk R&D abes duit la.. so bek la diorg save ngn rebadge je.. produa pon wat bnde sama.. so jgn bash2 la… furthermore. aku ad baca yg bnde ni mmg proton agree ngn mitsu so it will not affect the ppl who buy lancers.. sape nk yg 2wd more cheap can buy wajalution. for those who want more quality n Awd can buy lancers .n lastly who want performance n techs can buy lancer evo. ok?
btw farghmee, lancer is also AWD same as lancer evo. the different is performance and techs. not 2WD. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer
I support FADZLY. I am a Proton Lover. I will die with you Proton!
YOU JUMP I JUMP. I will borrow money from my grandma to buy the coming WAJA. I have faith in YOUUUUUUU!
I support FADZLY. I am a Proton Lover. I will die with you Proton!
YOU JUMP I JUMP. I will borrow money from my grandma to buy the coming WAJA. I have faith in YOUUUUUUU!
i wonder why someone still comparing us with our neighbour which even dont produce national car. I'm so proud we have one, eventhough there are so much assumption. We're growing, and still learning and yet we've achieved a lot of things and i would certainly hope we can achieved our goals before 2020. Yet blaming solely to the GOV and p1 because of everything might seem easy and simple, but as i said earlier the only arrogant are us. remember this, whenever you point a finger at anyone, 3 of your own fingers are curled inwards and secretly pointing back to yourself.
yelah… agree with fadzly. our n car not that bad…
I think..
1.6 version got Campro CPS.
1.8 and 2.0 got mitsu engine.
however,, as a waja, this is not a biggest market one, but it will sell well.
and i think… they should try to make a coupe version, should be nice. power plant? get the mitsu's best one, then just slap a lotus magic tuning.. It gonna sell well!.
Yeah well said 460, more news like this since I'm saving up my monies and I want to trade in my 7 years old wira (mitsu engine) with this Waja Evo…not that Campro is bad…The more the merrier…
460, just to know this new waja will be FR, FF or AWD and did proton plan to make FR saloon cars in future? nowdays drift is popular sport many people like to find old cars and transform to drift car.
4G63T DSM:
"Just because the Japanese can build 10 different models and sell it here, means you have to ah?"
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Might as well do it since they're bound to be damned by the kiasu malaysians.
You're the one who seriously needs to open your eyes. Right now, the more luxurious offerings proton has are waja and perdana V6, and there's been countless bashings on how they're too old, dated, needs replacement, ridiculed to be around for the next 20 years before the next replacement comes (a reference to Saga that takes 20+years to be replaced only last year). The state govts changing to Merc or Camrys are another testament to that too. So when u say proton no longer needs new models, on what basis should Proton do so? The market for these kinda vehicles are quite big, as they're sure to be lots of people who wants to buy Civic/Altis/Slyphy type of saloons, but think that the Jap cars are too expensive while the Koreans are just not worth it. Well, it's not only here, but in other countries perhaps.
Have u been sleeping for the past 3 years? Datuk Syed Zainal have reiterated many times on how he is serious on wanting to expand Proton in other countries' market. Proton had made more active presence in Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Brunei, China, Iran and maybe other countries since he became the MD. Just browse through Paul Tan's older posts on news of Proton launching Persona n Saga in other countries, and in Thailand, the Savvy was even recognised by their journalists as the top 10 cars in their country.
Perception of quality? I think that's impossible. When asked for ideas to improve just that, malaysians will ask proton to close shop better. Sorry, maybe proton tries to win back the hearts of malaysians, to even go as far as swallowing their pride by rebadging this lancer, but I doubt malaysians will ever forgive them. The high sales of the fugly honda city makes me believe I'm right. And the fact that you're asking the impossible reeks of sarcasm. This is Malaysia, a country filled with inferiority complex, not Korea, a country filled with true patriots. Koreans buy Kia/Hyundai not because they have to, but because they want to.
Proton, just have too look out. As for our own country, I think this is as far as it gets, as long as cynical malaysians like you exist. Which is for an eternity.
Next time Waja will become car of the "Ah Beng" everywhere.
Dear Proton lovers,
May I know what is the Tagline for Proton? Guess? (If you don't know up front then you are not Proton lover!!!)
For Honda is Power of Dreams
For Nissan is Shift the Future
For BMW is The ultimate Driving Machine
etc.
Top is my original post. I'm not speculating la BRO's. It's the fact. If you know anyone at Proton, ask them about their latest project. Vendors are already starting pre-production of various parts for this car. Wake up and smell the cofee lah!!
Tag line?? umm how about… "Where -ve is -ve and +ve is still -ve in the eye of beloved M'sians"… =p
wah..so the new waja speculation has increase intention everybody in the forum :-) . everybody has their own right to speculate. by the way, somebody ask why proton did not use exora platform to create new waja,em..it is easier said than to be done. proton has made huge investment in create persona, new saga and exora. these tree products costs more than rm 1 billion. even in creating a new saga from savvy chasis, it involves rm 500 millions. the top managements have to decide whether to produce a totally new waja or exora, and u already know the answers. another investments have been put out for drive terrain department (engine).
in order to replace waja that in the end of its life cycle, so is it wrong to save up some money for future product such as persona/gen2 replacement? the new waja replacement actually is not the same category as persona. persona/gen2 is B segment and meanwhile the new waja will be position in C segment(altis,civic,elantra,sylphy). are u sure that proton is not involve in making of the lancer??? :-).
the news of proton and mitsu collaboration already spread and everybody knows that mitsu will give access to its lancer platform and gema engine to proton and proton give away persona/gen2 and exora platform. Exora and Grandis are different category where Grandis is more full fledge mpv (estima,odessey) while exora can enter two segment, budget (avanza,livina) mid entry mpv (wish,stream) and of course with different engine and trim.
just for general info, campro turbo is on the way and of course the other engines. and any car produce by proton, of course it will have lotus gene in it. Proton, daring to change and daring to dare :-). adios…….
oh, forgot to mention that the pictures maybe a proton or maybe it is a lancer :-). just wait and see shall we..adios…………
watch this guys.. someone just made a special video about PROTON WAJALUTION X WRC CHAMPION!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvnGXEblWk
LeBronJames, PROTON tag line is
LEADING THE REVOLUTION.. partnership REVOLUTION with japanese MITSUBISHI, french RENAULT.. and of course must make more money…..!!
no more loses.. now the best cara design from Japan is under PROTON FIERCE TIGER LOGO!!! AUUUMMMM!!!
hahaha
wah 460 nice info u got there, any news about diesel engine from proton?
460..long time no hear..
what is campro FE?
460.. welcome back… anyway where is our good friend sifu???
please tell us more…
so its confirmed. nice 460. really cant wait for it. real wajalution
good to have people from proton……
more info please..460…..sifu….
yes, 460, good to hv u back! need sifu back oso… need more input from u guys!
460 ,just to know this new waja will be FR or FF or did proton have plan to make FR saloon cars?
p2 owner cannot speak anymore.. because no point to bash..haha.. i love this situation…
WAJALUTION is the best name.. MEREMANG BULA ROMA DENGAR WAJALUTION… for sure proton competitors dah pening kepala… hehe.. so, keep your money from buying p2 mpv.. get the Evolution X baby, named it as
WAJALUTION
since little work has been done of the car, lets hope proton realy emphasize on QC among the vendors. haihz..
pi mai pi mai tang tu.
Akhirnya Proton balik juga ke cinta pertamanya MMC.
ikut aje langkah adik beradik kereta nasional lain.
naza dan perodua. harap kali ni lebih insaf dan
jangan nak jadi juara.(kampung je)
dengan MMC semoga dapat tinggal "happily ever after!!"
dan dapat lebih anak model MMC based.
the end.
Can't wait for the real thing…
1. Proton is moving backwards to where it was 25 years ago – rebadging
2. P1 is becoming P2
3. does mitubishi really interested to rebadge persona, saga and exora and sells them in Japan?
4. the waja already has a good platform to start with, why not proton just slap a new body onto it? that will be easier and cheaper. Besides we can be more creative by doing so instead of giving the Lancer a facelift. P2 people will laugh out loud at P1.
samak,
proton balik ke cinta pertama?
aku rasa mitsu yg terhegeh2 nk kt proton.
proton kena bijak la kali ni.
sedut smpi abes ilmu mitsu tu.
jepun bukannye hebat mana 8)
alldisc,
i have 1 question for u.
waja is an old platform.
if re-skin the waja, would it pass the crash test with flying colors?
later if cannot pass, every1 would say proton is dumb.
btw, get the facts right.
it was stated that only exora&persona, no saga, ok?
rebadge is ok, provided research&development is continuously run side-by-side.
rebadge is not ok, if rebadge&deliver only.
i don't really know the agreement between proton&mitsu.
but hey, if that enable proton to proceed into turbo tech, why not?
alldisc,
1. PROTON is not moving backwards instead they are DRIVING BUSINESS FORWARD..
see this video about PROTON-MITSUBISHI, MALAYSIA-JAPAN partnership tagline DRIVING BUSINESS FORWARD..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvnGXEblWk
2.P2 is becoming P1
3. they have a contract la wei
4. everybody in this world know that EVO platform is the most toughest in the World.. Mitsubishi have won 12 time Rally Dakar already, and 4 time WRC already
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB4WWxAeMGI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvIMi_YEZxs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar_Rally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Champion… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer_WR…
PROTON WAJALUTION X is on the way….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvnGXEblWk
good job proton, i will hold my purchase (h.city), will trade in my waja to new wajalution…yeahooo
something interesting maybe come out this month :-), and also maybe something that has been waiting for some malaysian may appear in the end of the year@early next year…keep wishing… maybe ur wish will be granted :-)…adios…
ish….mcm x fair plak
mitsu dpt 3 model…exora, persona dgn gen2
proton plak dpt lancer jer….
rugila klu trade in cmtu…x balik modal proton, RND cost utk 3 model dpt gnti 1 model je
Finally Proton get a big lap to go forward (not backward). Mitshu get exora & persona to rebadge as mitsu product, Proton get totaly new 1 year lancer EL with GEMA engine. More improve than expected. "Dare to change" was the very good attitud. Some said Proton same like P2, sadly to said you are wrong coz mitshu calobarte with proton to improve they product. Not like proton old days that just only mitshu & proton. Now Proton have Lotus as tuning partner so imagine what this new face Waja will get on this new lancer platform. So for me all get the sweet fruit, Proton get batter product, Mitshu get Quality entry product with cheap price & all of us will get new C segment with affordable price. Lancer GT malaysia price RM122k, so Neo Waja must be RM80k++. :)
i love 460…
he's d man…
don't forget waja with 4G63T engine without using MMC badge…
wah manyak syiok woh…
match made in heaven…
peace brothers
hope this new waja use mitsu engine or any advance engine, if campro aku tak nak lah…beter buy h.city
ko dah try blm CPS? kasi try dulu. aku pakai waja CPS.
Superb!! waja cps lbh bgs dr honda city sbb aku dah bawa honda city.
handling waja cps aku 5x lbh bagus drpd honda city.
maaf la ye…
bagi free pun aku xnak honda siti tu…
I dont think Mistsu really needs Persona or Exora. I think it was Proton who actually need the 'mitsu' badge- the 'Three Red Diamonds'.
Proton has a modest presence globally, & with mitsu badge, they can sell their car easily since people already know who is Mitsu. So it likely Mitsu who rebadging proton's cars…but actually it just Proton borrowing or paying for the Three Red Diamonds badge.
waaa…ganas ini kerete..
la buat ape nak copy paste lancer gls..
abih tu bt ape u beli lotus mahal2 semata2 nak buat perkasam..
u reka la kete yang your own design..
nak tapau evo ngan impreza u letak la engine lotus esprit..
guna je ape yang u ada..kalau beli buat perkasam buat ape??
sy ni english not very well laa..
tp sy cukup kecewa ngan proton..
knape x bawa masuk model sports from lotus..
yang bnyk cuma elise..exige jarang2.europa lg la..
ingat, lotus adalah hakmilik kamu.
kenapa x guna ia secara optimum..
owners malaysia dah lame dahagakan kereta sport prestasi tinggi..
Heheh…honda city?
go check the door…push on the upper side of the doors (all 4) from outsside …about 1/2 inch from the window….try push with one finger…feel it…
i think kancil punya keras lagi….so if people say proton= milo tin car…..so the new city???…..aluminium can maybe….
go check u self
ahmad,
lotus agak2nye apa kepakaran dia?
handling ke? enjin ke?
english xbagus no problem.
yg penting mesti up-to-date ngn
perkembangan&trend ekonomi&automotif terkini.
ckp lebat, berdegar2 pn xde guna ;)
Ahmad,
Model sport Lotus (Elise, Exige, Europa) memang ada jual kat Malaysia. Sebelum ni pun ada keluar iklan Lotus kat majalah2 tempatan.
Hari ni ada pameran Lotus kat Gardens Mid Valley. Mungkin ada sampai hujung minggu ni. Nampak kereta yg masih berselimut tgh hari tadi ada Europa, Elise, 2-Eleven kot. Evora tak nampak lagi, cuma ada video je. Petang ni baru rasmi.
ahmad,
boleh cakap english ke tak tu no problem. bleh belajar.
yang penting apa trend masa skarang.
Lotus tak buat perkasam, semua model terkini proton diaorang tune tak kira enjin & suspensi. Dari segi rekabentuk diaorang hanya buat nasihat teknikal yang berkaitan dengan keseimbangan & pemanduan.
Kengkadang kita sendiri akan befikir tentang pembelanjaan untuk keluarkan produk baru. Katakan macam nie, kita dah ada rumah sendiri di atas tanah sendiri. Lepas tu nak besarkan rumah menjadi 3 tingkat. Tapi atas sebab budget tak cukup, kos bahan binaan nak kena kira, pastu kontraktor plak banyak songeh (tau je lah, malaysia kontraktor. Sorry offence) tak kira lagi dengan kelulusan bandaran. last skali jadi 2 tingkat aje. lebih kurang macam tu lah.
Jadi cuba paham situasi keadaan ekonomi skarang. Tambah plak, guna duit lebih nanti ada yang kata guna duit rakyat walaupun yang kata tu tak pernah bayar cukai atau zakat.
460 said,
July 1, 2009 @ 12:32 pm
something interesting maybe come out this month :-), and also maybe something that has been waiting for some malaysian may appear in the end of the year@early next year…keep wishing… maybe ur wish will be granted :-)…adios…
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Wawawawa tak sabarnya!!!
guys, my fren at LOTUS said the proce would be below than RM80k. just wait and see.
Nakal said,
July 1, 2009 @ 3:50 pm
I dont think Mistsu really needs Persona or Exora. I think it was Proton who actually need the ‘mitsu’ badge- the ‘Three Red Diamonds’.
Proton has a modest presence globally, & with mitsu badge, they can sell their car easily since people already know who is Mitsu. So it likely Mitsu who rebadging proton’s cars…but actually it just Proton borrowing or paying for the Three Red Diamonds badge.
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That's what u think maaa… not mitsubishi think ma… They think they benefits more if got 2 platform maa….
Mr Ahmad…
Lotus Elise, Exige and Europa.. (probably Evora soon) are being offered in Malaysia by Lotus Malaysia… They're all CBU from Lotus UK if i'm not mistaken… But you have to pay Lotus's price lah.. not Proton's price… i think all those car's prices ranging from 230K ++ and above….
perhaps what u mean by ur frustration.. is that proton did not bring in Lotus cars and sell it at proton car's prices… if that so.. you won't be satisfied for quite sometime =p
Whatever it is, or what people think of Proton partnership with Mitsu or renault, it is for the best of the customer, US. So if they can come out with a killer looking car, enough safety features, ABS, EBD, EBA and yet affordable then why not.
Its auto industry and only the smartest company survived. Example, Naza rebadge Kia Picanto-Naza Suria, Naza Ria or Kia Carnival, Pug 206 to Naza Bestari, and Perodua with Toyota parnership, Nautica and now the MPV Sette… So its nothing wrong for Proton to rebadge Lancer into Waja. Fulfill what people want is just more important than being 'bodoh sombong tak boleh di ajar' company. Enough said.
nakal, both parties need each other. did u check proton sales in thailand during thailand motorshow and try to compare with mitsu sales. it is normally for car manufacturers collaborate with each other. it been practice around the world.
em, have all of u notice previously mitsu make the world debut in Malaysia and the mitsu ceo himself came to malaysia during that time??? :-)…em, so sometimes we need to learn to read between the line…
bro farghme
memang i ni x la tau sgt psl automotif skrg ni..
tp setau sy lotus ni salah satu superstar car maker kt europe..
pakar ngan engine ke handling ke i tak tau..
cuma i respect kt lotus sbb dpt mhasilkan LOTUR ELISE GT1
u agak lotus ni camne??
klu x silap i kete camni biasanya bnyk memonopoli lemans 24 hour race..
cuba u cari car maker yang masuk lemans race ni ape product diorang..
dan i bangga sbb lotus ni milik rakyat malaysia..
cuab u bandingkan side view antara waja ngan mitsu mx dan neo ngan 1997 mirage..ade sama x??
kata la budget x cukup utk buat rnd body styling sendiri..
u kena ingat lotus ni hak u..
suruh la di design body styling.jgn la tiru mitsu..
pininfarina pun bleh design hyundai matrix..
setau sy pininfarina ni bukan hak hyundai..
dia specialist ngan ferrari je kan???
i ni x cakap gegar pun..dan x suka ckp benda terapung2 xda asas..
i bcakap bdasarkan FACTS..
N I DAH BOOK 1 UNIT SATRIA NEO CPS TRADE IN GAN MY KELISA S.E
U know y???
becouse i m proud to be malaysian….
orang malaysia ni x bleh tegur skit ke???
klu tegur skit dah ckp kita ckp lebih,ckp besar,ckp lebat..
adat berforum, xyah la nak kutuk mengutuk sesama kita..
betul ape yang gen2lama ckp..
klu u ni owner city ngan jazz u tau laa..
bingkai pintu dia memang teruk..
farghmee said,
July 1, 2009 @ 5:06 pm
ahmad,
lotus agak2nye apa kepakaran dia?
handling ke? enjin ke?
english xbagus no problem.
yg penting mesti up-to-date ngn
perkembangan&trend ekonomi&automotif terkini.
ckp lebat, berdegar2 pn xde guna ;)
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klu camni la adat u bforum cari forum yang ramai orang cam u..
yang suka sgt kutuk2 orang:}
waaa…ganas ini kerete..
la buat ape nak copy paste lancer gls.. [1]
abih tu bt ape u beli lotus mahal2 semata2 nak buat perkasam.. [2]
u reka la kete yang your own design.. [3]
nak tapau evo ngan impreza u letak la engine lotus esprit..[4]
guna je ape yang u ada..kalau beli buat perkasam buat ape?? [5]
…
orang malaysia ni x bleh tegur skit ke??? [6]
…
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1. pretty sure it won't be just totally copy-and-paste
2. maybe betul proton belum optimumkan lotus sehabis2 mungkin, tapi lotus obviously bukan pekasam. handling kereta2 proton yang terbaru ni semua mantap2 belaka. kalau pekasam, mane buleh nak tune handling…
3. proton memang dah ade design kereta sendiri jugak kan. exora, savvy, saga, gen2… tetapi sebagai business entity, faktor kos juge perlu dipertimbangkan. plus, even bigger companies pun amalkan konsep platform sharing juge.
4. enjin untuk esprit pun bukan lotus punya enjin kan?
5. diulangi, lotus bukan pekasam.
6. cara anda reply juge macam tak dapat menerima teguran dari en. farghmee kan?
ahmad,
aku bukan nk bmusuh ngn ko.
xguna aku nk bmusuh ngn sapa2.
aku tau ko ske proton dtg dgn design sendiri.
aku pn ske.
tp..
dlm engineering, membuat kereta bukanlah mcm buat kueh.
aku tau ko pn ble faham.
utk proton, market kecil shj.
utk supercar, biarla lotus handle market tu sbb nama diorg dh teguh.
cm fiat. ada diorg buat saingan bg model ferrari.
ferrari tu pn anak syarikat fiat.
boleh je proton tiru model perniagaan yg cmtu, kn?
nnt ekonomi dh ok, mgkn proton ada idea lain.
ok..lotus terer dlm bab handling umumnye.
tp diorg pn ada research utk enjin jenis baru. search "omnivore".
dlm kereta sport lotus, diorg xpakai enjin lotus, sbb lotus xbuat enjin.
dlm byk2 kete proton skrg, aku mmg teringin nk bw neo cps.
neo cps..
nk bkembang, boleh..
tp biarlah timingnye betul.
btw, aku berforum ni sbb nk share "constructive" idea.
kalu ko rasa aku ckp kasar, itu hak ko utk melabel aku.
haha..ko xjumpa lg org yg sound org lain bodoh.
setidak2nye aku tanya ko dulu sblm aku post comment.
nape? sbb aku xnk sound straight.
aku nk tau levelnye tahap mana, spy aku xkurang ajar dgn org.
ahmad, aku minta maaf drp ko sekiranya aku buat ko rasa aku biadap.
paul, sori sbb aku "offtopic" byk sgt. i'm very sorry :(
ahmad, kalu ada masa, baca link ni:
http://prodas.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/compare-ex…
everybody, pls correct me if i u find smthg inaccurate in my comments.
pembetulan
…cm fiat. ada diorg buat saingan bg model ferrari?..
ahmad,
untuk pengetahuan awak POLIS DIRAJA MALAYSIA (PDRM) pun pakai kereta Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X untuk dision khas polis yang dikenali sebagai HELANG LEBUHRAYA POLIS / POLICE HIGHWAY EAGLE.
Polis jepun pun pakai juga kereta sports iaitu dari jenis Mitsubishi GTO, Honda NSX, Nissan Skyline GT-R dan Subaru Impreza WRX STi.. tapi kebanyakan adalah dari jenis Toyota Crown.
ada orang upload video khas mengenai kereta baru PDRM EVO X,
HELANG LEBUHRAYA POLIS / POLICE HIGHWAY EAGLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjkNM6l4YDo
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X harga yang dijual oleh Mitsubishi Motors Malaysia ialah berharga RM159,000 sebuah dengan tambahan RM8,000 (untuk modifikasi ekstrem seperti yang dibuat oleh disivision polis lebuhraya khas di Jepun).. harga pasaran semasa ialah RM300,000++ / discount setengah harga PDRM dapat tu..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_J…
tak lama lagi EVO X PDRM akan bertemu saingannya iaitu WAJALUTION X! hahaha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer_WR…
POLIS DIRAJA MALAYSIA (PDRM) : MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X WRC CHAMPION DRIFT !!! (PROJEK HELANG)
MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X adalah kereta kebanggaan negara Jepun kerana projek Evolution WRC telah dimenangi oleh Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution sebanyak 4 kali, selain itu platform Mitsubishi Lancer juga digunapakai dalam kejuaraan Rally Dakar. Mitsubishi telah memenangi Rally Dakar sebanyak 12 kali!!!
maklumat lanjut..
http://www.rmp.gov.my/ http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis_Diraja_Malaysi… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Malaysian_Poli… http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/evo/index.html http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.my/lancer-evolut… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer_Ev… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer_WR… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Champion… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralliart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rally_Car
PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION!!!
Paul, any idea if the new Waja's body material will be the same as the original Lancer? It's exciting to know that if it will be the same, owning a 5 star rated car has become affordable in Malaysia! Lancer earned a 5 star safety rating under ANCAP (Australia), similar to the 2007 Corolla. Even 2007 Mazda3 and Civic only earned 4 stars from ANCAP.
MBX Boy, its true Mitsubishi Lancer received 5 stars for safety..
http://www.euroncap.com/results/mitsubishi/lancer…
other car that received 5 stars for safety is Toyota Avensis and Mazda6.. hopefully PROTON do not compromise with safety and quality issue.. Mitsubishi Lancer is really a great car with great safety, handling, acceleration, handling.. it is really a marvellous piece of engineering from Japan.
when the whole world are sarcastic, doubt about Japanese car quality, the British even said so many harsh words about japanese cars.. then Mitsubishi challenge itself to prove them wrong with MITSUBISHI EVOLUTION project with specially made MIVEC engine for WRC project.. and they see it, how MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION win 4 times WRC in a 4 consecutive row..
and then they European realized, and give a quote
"EVOLUTION born in Japan, raised in Europe".. and from that time Mitsubishi and other japanese automotive industry bloom in Europe and USA, it is really a miracle of EVOLUTION in Japanese automotive industry from WRC EVOLUTION project.. that is how big racing motorsports influence in producing a very high performance, high quality and gain so many trust worldwide.. with so many games in PS1, PS2, PS3, XBOX, arcade game, anime like Initial D and others featuring the success of EVOLUTION to Japanese automotive industry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjkNM6l4YDo
ahmad,
Proton amik model bukan kerana apabila org ramai suka tgk shape dia, terus tiru utk mengaut keuntungan.. ini bukan tiru, collaborate iaitu kerjasama. Proton amik model kerana utk mengurangkan kos.. kalo nak buat model baru, bentuk baru… segala-galanya kena baru.. R&D baru, platform baru, mould baru pendek kata semuanya baru.. nak tahu apa paling membunuh dlm pembuatan kereta? kos acuan, R&D platform, R&D enjin (kalo nak enjin baru) dan R&D transmissi.. nak tahu berapa kos utk semua ni? cecah ratusan juta RM bro.. silap2, boleh cecah billion RM cuma utk satu model baru… cuba fikir sejenak, utk mendptkan balik modal semua ni, berapa byk Proton kena jual Wajalution ni? cuma utk dptkan balik investment dlm mould, R&D dan platform sahaja? itu belum lagi termasuk material seperti sheet metal, galvazined metal, getah, plastik, alat elektronik dan sebagainya utk membentuk 1 unit model kereta baru..
Kos R&D platform, enjin, transmissi dan mould inilah yg cuba dikurangkan oleh Proton didlm arus ekonomi yg mencabar ni.. kalo terus catat rugi walaupun sikit berbanding pembuat kereta yg lain, nanti encik "littlefire" akan "BASHING" proton dan hebohkan ke seluruh dunia tau.. asal Proton catat kerugian walapun sikit, dialah org pertama yg inform kita org biarpun ramai yg sedar.. bukan bro tak tahu yg dunia sekarang ni cuma dihujung jari kita je.. cuma click je.. kalo nak tahu yg "The Stig" top gear tu ialah Micheal Schumacher, cuma google search je… kalo prg putih paham bahasa malaysia, berita harian online pun diaorg baca utk mendapatkan info.. :P
i wonder…
what u fella's argue here get paid huh…
u fella's got shares in Proton or it's rival ka…
to d extend bashing & condeming & for what ?
get a grip la u guys…
so inmature…
lagi satu yang aku tak paham…
kalau ada yang dah bangang & sangak satu apa pun tak tau
diamlah… apa yang ko dapat, buat malu diri sendiri adalah…
kalau nak buat sesuatu yang constructive mengenai kereta
pergi lah kerja kat kilang kereta & then baru ko tahu…
suruh belajar tinggi2 x nak pastu menyusahkan orang lain…
& anything about P1 & P2 comes out surely there be argument…
i think if we really want 2 send message to them, why just write to them or just put a banner out infront d factory & say " YOUR PRODUCT SUCKS" or others… ada bola kah mau bikin ?…
nothing is perfect in this world… just accept sometimes if we wanna survive, we have seek assistant in order 2 succeed…
peace brothers… auwww
yg saya tahu, usaha sama proton-mitsu hanya dari segi perkongsian komponen sahaja. diorang saling guna platform sahaja. terpulanglah kepada budget RnD n kreativiti engineer masing2 merekabentuk model berdasarkan platform tu. tengok sahaja bagaimana proton saga direkabentuk berdasarkan proton Savvy. Cara ini dapat menjimatkan kos. Mitsu berminat dgn platform exora n persona menunjukkan mereka respect dgn produk keluaran kita (cuma rakyat malaysia jer yg buta hati…(sorry..)). Kenapa mitsu tak gunakan platform grandis utk MPV mereka? Yg saya tahu, RnD grandis sgt tinggi, sebab tu harga grandis pada keluaran pertama 2006 x dpt sambutan di jepun. Grandis di redesign semula utk kurangkan kos dan dijual dipasaran luar. dgn adanya platform exora, tentulah diorang belajar dari kita bagaimana nak menghasilkan model yang murah n kualiti pula, tentulah diorang dah ada standardnya. ;)
Proton pun dapat faedah gak. diorang baru ada enjin campro CPS 1.6, Nak buat RnD sampai dapat enjin 2.0 tentulah mengambil masa yg lama n kos tinggi. Proton mendapat teknologi enjin 2.0 daripada mitsu evo x, bukan mendapat enjin 2.0 sahaja. dari situ engineer diorang bleh study dari enjin tersebut dgn dibantu Lotus menambah baik atau menghasilkan enjin yang lebih power! :) (terlebih excited plak!).
Proton mendapat geran RnD pinjaman kerajaan melalui NAP tahun 2009 sebanyak RM 81 juta. berbanding tahun lepas RM600juta. Rasa2 berapa la RM yg dilaburkan utk waja replacement nie… let see : Waja (RM 1 bilion), Savvy (RM380 juta), Gen2 (RM6++ juta), Persona (RM600 juta), Saga (RM5++ juta), Exora (RM480 juta).
All the best la…
This is rebage of Galat Fortis?
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/galant_fortis/…
Only RM66k – RM110k w/o tax price in Japan.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/galant_fortis/…
Wikipedia EN less infomation. Learn more about Mitsubishi and Proton on history on Wikipedia jp.
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&…
fauzan,
Malaysia sudah lama ada enjin 2.0L la enjin PETRONAS E01 siap boleh kalahkan performance enjin terbaik dari Honda lagi tu..
aku dengar cerita dulu CEO PETRONAS (Hassan Merican) dan CEO PROTON terdahulu (Tan Sri Mahaleel) bergaduh besar.. PETRONAS nak tolong bantu industri automotif tempatan terutamanya PROTON, susah2 transfer technology dari F1 pergi ke Jepun, pergi ke Switzerland, pergi ke Jerman.. tetiba pula CEO PROTON yang terdahulu tu jual mahal pula.. berlagak kononny dah ada CAMPRO sendiri tak perlukan enjin PETRONAS E01.. CEO PETRONAS marah giler, lepas tu jual semua patent, hak milik, blueprint dan segala yang berkaitan tentang pembangunan enjin PETRONAS E01 kepada negara China.. PROTON sudah terlalu berlagak masa tu, kononnya sudah amat kaya, untung RM400 juta la kononnya tak perlukan pertolongan orang lain.. tengok2 lepas tu habis teruk lingkup.. bankrap je kerjanya, memang tuhan balas balik la perangai buruk tu.. tak lama lepas tu CEO terdahulu PROTON sudah digantikan dengan orang lain.. rakyat Malaysia komplain macam2 tak suka dengan kualiti produk PROTON ditambah lagi dengan rugi je memanjang.
diharap PROTON belajar la dari kesilapan terdahulu.. komen2 dan rintihan rakyat Malaysia sepatutnya tidak dipandang sebelah mata saja.. bila susah baru la nak menyesal, cuba kalau tiada cukai perlindungan.. wa confirm sama lu semua orang beramai2 macam semut beli produk kereta buatan Jepun dan Jerman je la sebab mereka punya kualiti jauh lebih baik..
PROTON diharap jangan ulang perangai buruk.. tapi apapun PROTON WAJALUTION adalah WRC CHAMPION!!! AUMMMM!!! LOL
this thread got as much as 300 comments already lor…
waaaa.. so much people support the PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION..
I bet you PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION can sell like pisang goreng panas.. maybe can repeat the history in USA where Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution just SOLD OUT IN 3 DAYS ONLY!!!
now in whole world especially in Europe and USA, the demand for the Lancer very big.. even in USA for 2009 model Mitsubishi have to cancel the order because they can't keep up with so many demand!!!
if you not believe me then just type in google "mitsubishi lancer sold out"!
PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION!!!
Sorry off topic !!!. Sebenarnya time mahaleel pegang proton memang aku tak suka dia. Blagak cam bagus sampai bekas mantan tegur pun tak nak amik kisah langsung. Aku suka produk dari proton, tapi tak suka mahaleel sebab dia kualiti proton jatuh banyak.Memang produk proton time tu ada dah membangun, tapi membangun tanpa jiwa. DSZ beza, dia nak dengar apa kata pengguna sebab pengguna yang guna hari2. Paling bagus our mantan have back in proton. So apa yang aku tengok skarang nie, semua produk proton yang terbaru termasuk Gen2 dah ada jiwa sendiri. Thanks DSZ to make proton proud again. For VW open in indon, USD140m is not our pride price. If VW can aggre with proton term, so you all can see Golf R32 assamble at TM plant. But you know German pll, they want to control every thing (i know this coz my friend work in VW). Easy they get in at indon must be corruption happen in they term. Our G still smart that don't want sell our country to blody sucker pll that have they own interest. Atleast most of malaysian still have they own job secure.
Zzzzzzzzz.. diam ar wajalution.. bengang je aku dengar…
dun need bashing.. lancer is a good platform.. kalo x selamat nt korg bash2 lak bile rmi org meninggal bile accident.. proton amik kete yg selamat utk korg. bersyukur la wei.. tu bukan tiru.. tp kerjasama syarikat time2 ekonomi gawat ni. ad phm ka? btw stig tu bkn schumacher (sory off topic) but korg kne tgk new season of top gear bru korg phm.. season 13 rulessss
blo0d, ko nak cerita pasal Top Gear ke..
Jeremy Clarksson dengan rancangan Top Gear tu boleh kata setiap kali kereta buatan Malaysia masuk rancangan Top Gear.. setiap kali tu la bash lagi la melampau.. antara ayat dia yang amat popular ialah "cars that made from clearing the jungle", "Malaysian cars built with no passion, with no heart, what a shame to %%^&*(%^*".. ayat dia lagi la melampau, tiap2 kali tengok.. kalau tiba masa kereta buatan Malaysia tak kira la PROTON ke PERODUA ke… rasa macam nak baling kasut je kat Jeremy Clarksson tu.
Jeremy Clarksson suka giler kereta Lancer EVO.. tapi lepas dia tau PROTON pun buat Lancer EVO dengan nama WAJALUTION.. aku rasa mesti Jeremy Clarksson dan rancangan Top Gear tu bash giler2 pula. dia memang menyampah betul dengan semua kereta buatan Malaysia dan Korea!
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hobbit
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top gear sunday the 5th of july
Just in from Proton head office…
over the last couple of weeks, BBC Top Gear have been filming the Proton Satria Neo 1.6 GSX Sport (red/white) at their studios near Guilford. We are told that the review will be aired this Sunday 5th July at 8pm on BBC Two in a 'credit crunch' feature in which the presenters compare 3 sensibly priced small cars.
any1 got idea when will wajalution launch? i am thinking to hold my waja cps till the wajalution comes.
Macam ada sesuatu jek Mitsu ngan Proton nih..
Mitsu bagi Evo 6 pda PDRM
Mitsu bagi Lancer ganti Waja
Mitsu tukar ngan Exora/Persona
Mitsu nak beli saham Proton?
Kalau betul, kita kena beli saham proton sekarang…
1. PROTON WAJALUTION WRC CHAMPION change ur name… it's bloody annoying…
2. Ur comments some ok some full of crap…
3. dun talk like ur the best and all other ppl need to listen to you and follow…
the more u do that… the more u sound like an @$$…
Maybe I'm wrong
Mitsu did not expect an equity stake in any collaboration.
Mitsu & Proton will produce a small car hatchback?
Mitsu & Proton will develop together 50-50
with Mitsu engine at Proton Tanjung Malim?
Maybe it like SmartForTwo Car…
Maybe…
EYESORE.. what's your problem??
spare tyre.. MITSUBISHI, PROTON, EON.. itu semua ada kaitan tu, diaorang ada pegangan saham dalam setiap syarikat tu di Malaysia.. MITSUBISHI pula terlampau banyak projek diaorang berkaitan dengan kerajaan Jepun.. daripada kereta, kapal terbang, tank, jet stealth, reaktor nuklear dan paling terbaru roket pelancar satelit yang bawa satelit internet termaju dan terpantas di dunia.
lagi satu kereta paling baru PDRM bukan EVO 6 tapi MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION X.. EVO 10!!!.. ini ada orang buat video pasal PDRM EVO 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjkNM6l4YDo
aku percaya sekarang ni MITSUBISHI dari Jepun tengah bodek kerajaan Malaysia untuk dapatkan kontrak projek pembinaan roket buatan Malaysia dan pelancarannya di Malaysia nanti (tender atau penjelasan projek tu mungkin dibuka dan diberitahu semasa perbentangan RANCANGAN MALAYSIA KE-10 nanti)
website official MITSUBISHI ni terangkan sedikit tentang projek roket MITSUBISHI
http://h2a.mhi.co.jp/en/H-IIA/index.html
tengok website ni dalam bahasa Russia, perdebatan hangat di parlimen Malaysia akan siapa yang lebih berhak untuk berkerjasama dengan kerajaan Malaysia dalam projek mega roket satelit buatan Malaysia skala besar.. dilaporkan bahawa Agensi Angkasa Jepun (JAXA) telah mengadakan pertemuan dengan MALAYSIA untuk menjalin bekerjasama pada masa akan datang dalam bidang penyelidikan angkasa lepas dan pembinaan roket buatan Malaysia dan pelancarannya di Malaysia.. mungkin sebab tu Jepun dengan syarikat MITSUBISHI cepat2 bodek MALAYSIA, mereka tak nak kalah dengan Russia dalam perebutan projek Mega Malaysia yang akan dibentangkan pada RANCANGAN MALAYSIA KE-10 tak lama lagi.. jadi kita tunggu dan lihat je la nanti..
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/number…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L-ExgbdnmQ
Indonesia baru je lancarkan roket terbesar RX420 mereka beberapa hari lepas dan juga sign kontrak dengan Volkswagen.. perancangan masa depan Malaysia RANCANGAN MALAYSIA KE-10 bersama PROTON dan MITSUBISHI dari Jepun mungkin akan lebih aktif dalam R&D pembangunan di Malaysia.. lagipun sekarang di Malaysia ada satu universiti baru MALAYSIA-JAPAN UNIVERSITY (MAJU) yang ditanggung oleh kerajaan Malaysia dan kerajaan Jepun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2PDJWFh_XI
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2008/…
http://japanheo.blogspot.com/2008/02/japan-and-ma…
negara Jepun hendak jadikan Malaysia sebagai pusat, hub pendidikan termaju mereka di Asia Tenggara terutama dalam ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE and ROBOTIC.. kemungkinan besar PROTON dan MITSUBISHI pun terlibat sama dalam projek tu.
EYESORE, you got problem with me??
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for PROTON, MITSUBISHI and EON.. maybe for Malaysia-Japanese government. it is not just about cars.. maybe MITSUBISHI fight fo a tender to build Malaysia rocket which the launch site is in Malaysia.. MALAYSIA really want to beat Indon in rocket science, MITSUBISHI have the technology, Japan need gas,oil and more business.. so its win-win situation.. there is a debate in parliament of Malaysia to coorporate with the Japanese (surely it is MITSUBISHI) and russian to build Malaysia own rocket system and launch it in Malaysia
http://h2a.mhi.co.jp/en/H-IIA/index.html
DAYMNNN!
If this is the new Waja replacement I will be the first one to book this Proton.
DAYMNNNNNNN!
Is time to allow p2 to rebadge the sedan also? Rebadge Daihatsu Altis the rebadged from Toyota Camry??
can we get TOYOTA SUPRA rebadge also..?
klu betul ler model ni adalah wja versi baru peh x tau nk ckp ler….
another wajalution….ah beng forever..
after dis, finish my study, start working n buy this waja evo!
fuhhh…wajaluation the best…
xcuse me.. i just wanna know.. these platform sharing between proton n mitsu because proton needs the technology from mitsu right? what about P2? do they rebadge toyota cos they want technology? or they just do rebadge to sell it? i'm sorry if my question is out of topic n seem impolite to P2, but i really want to know. cos i think it's not bad rebadging them since we can learn from them, and that's how learning process goes.. except they just rebadging w/o taking any advantages from their technology.. quite a waste since we have the chance.. i hope proton will look more on the quality of certain parts since it's already becomes proton's trademark. Due to these some kind of poor quality, sometimes it makes me frustrated..
hope that this new waja is true cos it's already catch my interest.. n pls correct me if i'm wrong..
Under Toyota umbrella there is Daihatsu, Subaru and Perodua. Certain model are the same, just branding issue. This is because Toyota own certain amount shares. Technology sharing is common in a group such as VW Group.
I am not sure how is the agreement between Proton and Mitsubishi but they are not in a group. But I am sure by the time Proton using Lancer platform, next or 2 years more, Lancer model will have a total new model. Therefore, Proton some how using older tech. If Proton is smart & creative like Seat, using previous Audi A4 to make a total new outlook for its model, that would be good. As long Msia don't open their mind to accept new changes, it will forever living in dinosaur age when people moving fast. Look at Korea's car today and soon China made.
Mika Hekienen once said, opinon is like an '@$$ hole', everyone has one.
My love affair ended long ago. During the "zaman kegemilangan Proton" when the Sales Rep's, the Service Centers and Customer Service became so arrogant of top sales and riding on the Malaysian Car pride. Not realizing it was us and Tun whom actually made it happened.
They can copy a BMW from head to tail and sell it under RM 20,000.00, still I'm not interested.
it is basically a persona with Mitsubishi lancer attach to its front and rear…. notice the persona door… it doesnt quite match…
RE:
jenatixel said,
September 19, 2009 @ 1:31 am
it is basically a persona with Mitsubishi lancer attach to its front and rear…. notice the persona door… it doesnt quite match…
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Are U high or what? Persona with attached front & rear lancer parts? pffft…!
nape la gi amek lg design mitsubishi??? proton dh xde duit ke nk wat kete sindri dgn design sddri??? xde jatidiri la namenye… pastu org compare2 kn dgn mitsubishi lak… hope jgn la jd cam wira@lancer tu… org dh leh tau dh tu design sape sbnrnye… pls proton,dont be so mitsubishi look sgt k… all da best!!!
Congratulation Proton…
Bukan Murah En Nact nak design kereta..Kos semua tu…Ni dah kira ok Proton buat macam ni….Siapa yang berhajat nak pakai lancer tak mampu boleh pakai Proton punya….Mitsubishi pun nak ambik design kereta kita…saya pun rasanya nak beli satu …
BILer WAJA REPLACEMENT NI NAK MASUK?????????????
dgar khabar sekitar bulan 10
Loves this car:
Heard that this lancer will replace the waja & also perdana, which come with 2 type which one is 1800cc & 2000cc. but that's a rumours only.
But..
Can i state my opinion here(dreamprotoncars),
it would be better if those two type is 1600 & 1800cc
it's better for rakyat,
proton nowadays is now better than before,they have Campro CPS to be fit in waja replacement engine bay but with more study from their experienced engineers.
it sounds silly,but nothing possible coz we heard there is more extra benefit can be pull out from this CPS engine which need more R&D on it. Proton "boleh",they can make 1600cc run like 1800cc cars & 1800cc can run like 2000cc cars. if Proton "boleh", we can see how the market will boost:)
& more, Proton already own a LOTUS,there's & advantage where this waja replacement will be more perfect than current lancers. If u noticed,lancer is to high which is almost same hight with myvi if we park together where we can see the dashboard level of myvi got same high with lancers if i'm not mistaken. So,if proton can make the waja replacement more lower than current lancer it will be greatfull bcoz there will be a cutting in car weight which helps the 1600cc engine to run the cars. I didn't mean to be lowered like a race cars but u guys know what was i mean. so,use the LOTUS to upgrade the handling to be superior than current lancer if Proton can do to Satria Neo hopefully no word "NO" on this waja replacement;)
hopefully Proton doesn't do a rebadge like a Perodua,hopefully something that can develope Proton and also Rakyat in the future and u know what i meant;)
Love a suprise from Proton:)
waa…mantap…
bangga giler aku ngan potong…ye la ada lotus..
sikit2…lotus..sikit2 lotus..padahal keta lotus scura exige pun pakai enjin toyota…huhuh…
proton no need LOTUS engine(if does) coz proton own one already, use LOTUS for better handling..
Happy Motoring
p2 rebadge= ok
p1 rebadge=tak ok
la, p2 kan anak syarikat toyota. ikut suka dia la nak rebadge ape model pun.
p1 rebadge memang la kan ade yang mengata..
aku kata ade lotus buat perkasam korang marah aku..
kata aku x up to date psl motoring..
korang tengok kete lotus tu cam proton ke??
x yah tengok pelik2 la tengok elise sudah..
kenapa proton x suruh lotus design kete untuk dia..
takut rugi psl rnd model baru??
dah meniaga rugi tu biasa la..
cuba korang tengok lotus pas satu, satu model baru kluar..
suruh la diorang buat satu untuk proton..
proton aku tengok berlambak prototype..
bila nak kluar prototype tu sbg real car??
aku ni bukan la nak kutuk proton..
tp tertanya2 knape nak co-o lg ngan mitsu??
engine sdr dah ade..
tinggal body je lg..
so ape kate body lotus buat letak engine campro..
amacam??
i dont believe this is the new waja 4 nex yr… i dh bezakan pic nih with lancer n its same…. biase nyew plat no proton at the boot…tapi ni kat bumper….plik2…. mybe die nk bwat perubahan…
any proton staff can comment psal waja lancer ni???? sure ke waja guna casis lancer????? anggaran harga n bila launch agak2 nye??????? so cool replacement model…….
hai…. kwn2 lotus pkai enjin toyota bab nak masuk market us…… al maklum la byk undang2 yg perlu dipatuhi….. bkn nya x der enjin sendiri atau enjin x power….. ni smua bisnes strategy diorg….. x cukup ngan proton… lotus pun korg kritik gak…. lg satu…. bkn proton jer yg amek design mitsubishi…. mitsubishi pun amek design proton gak…. x silap aku r… persona atau exora!!
so… naper nak malu……!!??? kena la bangga mitsubishi amek design proton.
hem……..!!??? aper nak jd ngan org m'sia ni……. ckp pandai rr…..
koya lah proton nk ikt lancer le…dah le waja pn bermasalah pintu xleh buka le cermin xleh trun leh model bru lak tu…koyaaaa
takde ke info baru pasal waja lancer ni????????? anybody……….
u got 2 be kidding?? waja lancer? seriusly? i think its just an ordinary lancer gls. if its a prototype definetly the colour would be black plus all those black plastic bag that they would put it on. but if its for real will it used a 2 litre campro?? hmm sound interesting.
yup…there will be 1.8 n 2.0 version.
I think will come out by d end of this year, still under progress
price range not more than 90k.
design same as current lancer, mayb change alittle bit here n there, rebadge….
LANCER KENA SUMPAH JADI WAJA..TIDAK ADA IDENTITI MALAYSIA..RUPANYA MALAYSIA XADA DESIGNER YG BAGUS.CUBA LH PERCAYA DGN KEBOLEHAN ORG KITA,TERUTAMA ORG MELAYU….SY PENGUNA KERETA MALAYSIA.PROTON SAGA DARI DULU LG.
dear AJI
sebenarnya ada designer kita yng berbakat utk design keta nasional. tapi, design mereka masih lagi dipengaruhi oleh design yang sedia ada. kebanyakan semua designer kreta di seluruh dunia saling meniru design, sbb itu lah most of the car looks similar. contohnya kia forte yng faceliftnya similar ngan honda city. kia forte pun guna engin mitsubishi lancer jg tau.
wan, kia forte = honda civic la.. lgpon engine yg dier pki tu bukan engine mitsu tp engine yg diorg bangunkn bersama2….
perbezaan dier engine mitsu ade mivec.. valve timing yg mereka cipta.. kia forte diorg leh ltak valve timing diorg sndirii…
Hye…Dah pakai lame waja ni dr engine ori pai ke 2.0Mivec Turbo Tiptronic so far klo yg ni betol2 jd nak tau gak perfomance dia adakah betul2 hebat atau indah khabar dr rupe…pape pun minyak naik harge lg….Idup Kerajaan….
yesterday while passing proton shah alam saw 2 lancer(new).. (black n white color) at rear gate door. Looks like same with mitsu lancer…. Maybe next month
they'll open for booking.Any info from proton staf??
haih..when will proton learn to produce something that really show the originality..??the people spent lotsa money though on the r&d and they only learn is copying..??as an example,try to build that GEN-2 or Persona as a 2 door sports coupe, RWD drivetrain,1.8ltr turbo is enough..if people complaint it ain't be a family car,hey proton do have mpv rite,get one??we can't get a all rounder car, a GK machine+touge+wangan+driftable spec+drag monster+family sedan car..proton should have some certain target to design and sell their product..not design a car,that all can drive..what they do is to gain a profit from a product that can't satisfy all..i know theres must be lots of creative designer there at proton,but c'mon la..this is too obvious..hope there is a product from proton will not be like wira+evo or waja evo+..get a real one..sheeesh..seen enuff those on the road..eyesore..
adoyai.. just wasting la to see all u p1 basher whinning about this new waja.. just wait and see je la.. after launch, go take a look and test drive.. i think this is a good strategy business for p1.. maybe the mitsu lancer will look like a cheap one, but it is affordable in malaysia.. im sure it will gonna be like goreng pisang.. what have we gonna loose? exchanging lancer with persona and exora..
who say we dont have a good designer and engineer? well, i can see some local faces in lotus f1 team.. and im proud of it..! just take look it this way, have more money than buy vios (dugong – i like the way it sound) or city.. if not, just buy moto kapchai saja la..
i hope to see more new cars from p1..
SALAM BUAT SEMUA PEMBACA,
Buat semua, saya sudah dapat information dari orang PROTON sendiri bahawa PROTON LANCER adalah totally MITSUBISHI LANCER GT yang mana bahagian bumper dan fabrik yang ditukar sahaja.
Saya ada baca pengguna yang pakai PROTON SAGA dari dulu dan memang PROTON SAGA guna enjin MITSUBISHI dan terbukti tahan lama berbanding WAJA.
Dan saya sangat menyokong PROTON kembali bekerjasama dengan MITSUBISHI (dari Jepun) berbanding kerjasama dengan negara continental yang kurang berkesan seperti kerjasama dengan CITROEN (Tiara) dan RENAULT (Savvy).
Kepada semua pengkritik PROTON, ingat, PROTON hanya berusia 25 tahun dan harus berbangga kita sudah sampai tahap yang amat dibanggakan berbanding negara jiran kita serantau yang tiada kereta nasional yang hebat seperti PROTON!
Ingat!
TOYOTA ditubuhkan pada 1937
HONDA pada tahun 1948 &
MITSUBISHI pada tahun 1870! 115 lebih tua daripada PROTON.
dan sememangnya kita perlu pelajari dari orang tua seperti mereka dimana usia mereka bukanlah IBU atau BAPA tapi pangkatnya DATUK & MOYANG!
PROTON perlukan sokongan untuk membangun dengan baik dan segala apa yang dibuat PROTON adalah yang terbaik dan tidak ada rasuah dan sebagainya.
dan sebagai rakyat MALAYSIA kita harus berbangga dan percaya bahawa PROTON akan menjadi suatu jenama yang hebat dan mungkin menguasai dunia!
Mungkin kita tidak dapat merasainya tetapi ANAK, CUCU serta CICIT kita akan merasai kehebatan PROTON ini yang akan dikecapi 100 atau 200 tahun akan datang.
Kepada semua pengkritik PROTON! Kritikan anda semua akan diambil positif dan jangan terlalu kondem akan PROTON
Kepada peminat PROTON! Terima kasih akan sokongan dan dokongan anda selama ini!
Hidup PROTON!!!
Dear Fahmi, the old spec of Waja(like mine) still using Mitsubishi engine. As for an automobile manufacturer themself, they cant even manufacture their own engine? By the way, RM 60,000.00+ for a Waja is worthy? You must be kidding me. If wasn't the taxes, Proton ain't gonna survive this far.
Dear Anonymous126,
Waja baru guna Campro pada tahun 2006. Selepas pakai dalam Gen-2 baru introduce dalam Waja.
Campro adalah enjin buatan PROTON dan memang sentiasa di dalam proses R & D. Selain itu, dalam R&D ni bukannya murah tetapi sangat-sangatla mahal.
RM60,000 untuk Waja dan RM88,000 untuk Honda City? mana lebih berbaloi? Boleh fikirkan.
Saya setuju bahawa PROTON memang mungkin tidak boleh survive jika cukai import dihapuskan. Boleh lihat, sekarang ini pun ada cukai pun ramai pakai kereta import. Kalau takda cukai? Lu pikir la sendiri.
Sebab apa? Sebab ini kereta nasional dan kerajaan harus pertahankan. Ini soal maruah negar. maruah kita sebagai rakyat Malaysia. dan harus bangga bahawa kita ada kereta Nasional, kereta Made in Malaysia!
Proud to be Malaysian!
I have to agree with Anonymous126…
We want to be proud with something that is to be proud of not blindly proud being an idiot Malaysian! I hate this country how it is run by this kind leadership and stupidity blind plus corrupted fucker. Waste our tax payer into their pocket so they could get million car whereas we forced to buy rubbish car!
You go protect those people you forever stay in where you are. Talk about "pertahan", "maruah", you really are blind man who help this people. People like you vote to wrong side caused this country ruin and back date… sick of this country and living among you people who spoil the country.
Hey Malay-Sia…
Pandai u cakap? Apa kata u pi jadi Leader. Masuk politik. I nak tengok u mentadbir negara. Orang negatif macam u ni, nampak benda negatif je. Benda positif yang kerajaan buat u buat xnampak! Common la men….give ‘teguran membina’ bukan ‘menjatuhkan’. Give suggestion not juz negative comment. Ubah cara u fikir!
Sorry to said, is not I being negative, I make a decision to come back here to do my part, but too bad, even a simple suggestion toward RapidKL nor Monorail also they never care to take note. A simple act also need to advise, that show how incompetent these people are.
I already give up and move back.
I wonder what positive does the gahmen did or done? I really can’t even see any good except the country is backward and incompetent.
Now I fully see MM LEE KUAN YEW initial plan during the time before Msia and SG separated, just too bad, just too sad, those BM idiots who rules this Tak-Boleh-Harap Land!
Lagi satu, selain dari BUMPR dan FABRIK, adalah dari MIT LANCER GT. Termasuk ENJIN! So, kepada sesiapa yang kepingin untuk membeli MIT LANCER yang harganya RM120K, boleh la pakai PROTON LANCER ini (yang namanya mungkin lain) pada harga mungkin bawah RM100K
Dear Fahmi,
Every auto manufacturers are moving FORWARD with BIG & FASTER LAP then the Proton. Don't compare as what you does. Each decade people are moving forward, yet MALAYSIA still a few decade behind. Korean's Hyundai & Kia Motor change so dramatically in recently years and Japanese has to start worrying. Look at how Samsung beaten Sony in term technology.
You don't make yourself be happy in frog under the coconut shell! Go out and see the real world. Forever be copycat and waste resources until Petronas going out from Malaysia shore to seek for more OIL! Give us the driver, the consumer to enjoy a REAL car instead indirectly force driver to drive a suck car. Be original and stop using pirated. To eyes of the world, changing a Wira into Lancer EVO looks like can't afford, use cheap stuff. You forever look down even you participate in F1 don't show us proud instead money pour used not to develop overall people in this country. Look at our neighbor Singapore how they treasure and place human development instead wasting resources like US!
Talk about years, Chinese brand car are listed one of the worst but in short time they improved their QC, even not the best but time is shorter. They bought car manufacturer that almost bankrupt to utilize their specialty yet Proton got Lotus yet only today start to use it. See how far YOU are from the Chinese. Don't be arrogant and unwise, and mask yourself to be happy, forever Malaysia never grow, not to mention 2020, you are way behind the schedule when by 2020, everyone even Indonesia may step ahead of you MALAYSIA!
Bro Fahmi,
ckp kt diaorg lampu beserta bumper depan (bentuk dia) tu jgnlaa ubah.. aku minat sgt dgn bentuk depan bumper dia… ni dh mimpi2 nak beli dah ni…
tang belakang aku tak kisah dia nak nampak mcm apa…
lancer 2008 terkenal sebab bumper depan dia mcm jerung tu…
please dont change it.. please..
wasalam
Bro Manstir,
bumper je yg diorang kacau.. lampu stil sama..tapi aku rasa kalau tukar pun tak la lari jauh sangat.. cam perdana dengan eterna la.. jangan mimpi, nnt b4 launching, order je.. jangan risau.. ni memang lancer.. enjin sume same.. rebatch saje.. aku ada tanya, warna merah ada x? depa cakap ada.. hahaha.. aku mau angkat yg merah.. pastu modified la sket jadi cam evo..
mgkn lancer dlam gmbar ni tgh tukar bumper, tu psal la warna bumpe dia lain skit. dan mgkin dia gntung test plate sbb blum register keta lagi kat jpj…………..
attn: fahmi
mgkn proton tak bleh survive jika duti import dihapuskan. tapi sekiranya proton produce kreta yng sama kualiti ngan kreta import yng lain, pembeli mgkn bleh consider nak pkai kreta impot or proton. tak payah mansuh duti impot la, reduce skit duti import mgkn akan nampak persaingan dlam pasaran kreta tempatan. jika proton dapat menghasilkan sebuah kreta yang kualiti engine dan design yang setaraf ngan kreta impot, mgkin rakayat akan consider untuk memandu kreta nasional kita.
attn : to all
sedangkn tun mahathir sndiri ade ckp.. yg tax tinggi2 tu bkn nk lindung proton.. tp juge utk limit kn jumlah kete kt mesia ni.. kalo kete murah nt rmi pki kete, engine besa2 ( high CC). mkin byk la traffic jam kt mesia ni, mnyk juge mkin byk pki.. pastu bile mnyak abes nt org marah kt petronas… padahal kerajaan yg amik duit n keuntungan petronas… ade paham??
agree with u..
sebenarnya ada kepentingan negara yang perlu dipertahan. dan macam-macam lagi perkara yang di'consider'kan untuk kepentingan negara. bukan wang smata-mata yang dicari..
macam CC besar, harga rm1.80 jugak minyak seliter. bg yang kurang berkemampuan pulak sama je harga. dari segi pengeluaran karbon. global warming. macam-macam lagi la
1.8L or 2.0L??
First of all, that wasn’t a lancer, it is a Waja. Blood, if i say Martians will visit planet earth by 12pm tomorrow, do you in believe that- others say and you believe? Yes i believe reducing taxes will pressure Proton in their R&D. Yet Blood, do you know Malaysia is top 40 in the world of vehicles per capita, taxes had nothing to do with the ammount of cars in Malaysia. Check out this review on Fifth Gear of the world’s most expensive cheap car, you’re right is Proton again!! =P
i know but Dr.M’s said that. and i agree with his statement. if it is priced lower and people will start buying more and more cars. and our road will be more jammed? dun u think he hav a point there? and i as one of petronas staff, i know how much reserve we have for our country. if we use more car, and their price is cheap for big CC, we will run out of oil in no time. he(dr.M) is one of our best leader and i think he knows better about our country than we are.
agree with you blood. tun dr mahathir is the best leader who thinking about his love country, Malaysia…
No worries on fuels and gas.. We have hybrid cars.. I believe is just a matter of time when hybrids take over the market..
funny u bring that matter. i’ll give u the question from my sifu, mr jeremy clarkson to u..
“where are the electric come from?” the powerplant.” and it came from?”
fyi, we are still using gas to generate electric. so hybrid (electric hybrid in this case.) are still depending on the gas. to charge them
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/9/19/business/18929941&sec=business
Hybrid means less fuel consumption. There will be less traffic jam if our highways/jalanraya is well plan. Ah loot!!
yeah i know.. but we didnt rely on the hybrid alone. that was my point. also we need a lot of charging point / refilling point(hydrogen hybrid) need more land to build it. (how to plan highway if didnt hav land?)~ bad news for u. so i suggest u to move to arnold’s place? haha~
I’m really pity and feel shame to proton. after more then 25 years in car industry, the only thing they can do is copy back from Mitsubishi model. History repeats by its self. Proton should be aggressive and learn from others manufacture example KIA motor.
Please don’t tell me Proton now cut cost in R&D and just thinking about profit but low in quality and poor after sales & service. by the way i’m not a Proton Basher i’m using Proton car for 10 years. Cograts to Proton you make others smiling.
long life proton…can’t wait pton lancer…
hopefully they will test it first before launching the wajalution.. i know this is big to ask but hey this is a challenge for our national car maker.. i am proud mitsu have interest in proton’s model.. however, it will be shame if mitsu can make persona and exora better looking with upgrade perfomance (such as mivec under the hood) then proton.. they have something to prove here.. dun just copy paste je la..
im also not a proton basher.. bcos proud to be personarian..
CopyCat says:
16/4/2010 at 12:27 am
Coz Malaysian love Mitsubishi!boring…anyway i love Korea cars!good looking,class,sporty and lower price!
proton still can’t catch up with other high brand. maybe they still need more decade to compete. I suggest proton to hire car designers from US or Europe so they can bring a muscle or sporty vision and identities to our proud proton at least. why i said that is bcoz people now buy a car mostly by their design also size like myvi. Spare parts should be no problem for a local car .
i am a Mitsubishi Lancer GT owner. i am very dasappoinment over Proton news that new waja will copy almost 100% my car model. Pls dun condem the prestige car identity. pls try to use your own idea. pls dun be a copycat. i am feeling shy being Malaysian.
Well,i a bit upset when i known this.,but on the other point of think,i am happy coz alot of people are actually like LANCER..is only they can’t afford to buy! So,this is a good news for those guyz who like real LANCER but can’t afford to buy! So,the NEW WAJA is the best choice for u guyz…
BUT,think carefully.. is it PROTON!! not MITSUBISHI! it is only the out looks almost same as lancer but the QUALITY is not that same! Some stupid says,(Haha,below 100k can get LANCER quality!)DREAMS!! do u think u pay less than 100k can get a 100% same MATERIAL,ENGINES & QUALITY with LANCER? ya,i know our taxes are high! but NO…u can’t! get the same,that for sure! but out looks u can! So,for any LANCER owner here,i would like to say..dun be so upset about it… we are paying for the QUALITY! and we r using the real LANCER..not the FAKE 1!! So..when we saw the FAKE 1 on the road..juz chase him kao kao!! let those NEW WAJA owner know what is the different between a WAJA and LANCER! At last i want to tell those want to but local product PROTON WAJA.. don’t dream u are buying a LANCER! u r only buying a RM8?k PROTON WAJA! not 123K MITSUBISHI LANCER! no matter how u change the out looks.. your steering weel & engines logo is PROTON! this u can’t change! People just go see your steering then will know yours is a PROTON! That’s it.
Your comment is just brash and arrogant… i drive a volvo v50 t5.. so if i meet a mitsu driver.. do i just look at it and say it is an inferior product than the volvo…
I read some comments on more people can afford the inspira due to lower price than mitsu… good for them and it is up to them to convert badges if they want to… it’s their car after all… and as for quality… i have to agree that mitsu’s is better than inspira after seeing it in the show room today…
So if you bully an inspira rebadged to a mitsu to prove that you have a better car… you might also be bullied by a silver V50 T5… which is way better than the lancer 2.0 GT…
myvi tiru toyota passo, kancil tiru daihatsu mira, semua diam je…why bile proton tiru lancer and everybody semua kutuk2…poyo la rakyat malaysia zaman sekarang..tidak bersyukur langsung :|
YES..finally after long waiting…I hope Jeremy Clarkson will review to the world this new Waja Lancer what happen to Proton after 25 years of what they call Pride, Passion & Progress.
Xfaham betullah kamu semua, kepada yang kaya tu mampulah beli Lancer ori, kepada pendapatan sederhana tu jimat jimat sikit tu mampulaj Waja 80k tu.
Eh, 128K tu mahal le…Lancer Evo 10 tu baru US40k, kat sini..dekat 280k.
Saya pun nyaris order Lancer GT tu, tanya kat showroom dan buat research sikit, saya hold dulu ,sehinga sah Proton akan guna Lancer replace Waja. Jadi ori ket ciplak ke, janji Enjin Mitsu 1.8, Rekabentuk Lancer, Chasis lancer, dan yang penting sekali,,40K++ lebih murah, ak payah bayar loan loan mencekik darah tu!!
wong ure are right 4ok cheaper and our budget 2011 are support us, not like other “kaya” chinese fren yang tak sedar diri lor. jangan lupa we re not singapore..
budget and save mana yang boleh lahhh.
wong ure are right 4ok cheaper and our budget 2011 are support us, not like other “kaya” chinese fren yang tak sedar diri lor. jangan lupa we re not singapore..
budget and save mana yang boleh lahhh. good idea bro!
not all branded cars not copy others design and specifications…don’t say if you not understand about automotive technology…
We heard that the suspension in the Lancer is better than the Waja to bring the cost of Waja down. Are you aware about this?
It’s a shame. Despite after 20 plus years, Proton still unable to produce a decent car by itself.
Well, this is truly, to me, Malaysia, or at least, Proton Boleh (tukar badge)!!
Goodness! I have just read the Inspira brochure.
Front page top right corner it says. “Pride, Passion, Progress”.
I wonder it sure takes hell of a courage to state these 3 words for a car maker who had only been assembling cars, strictly speaking, for other car makers, but using its own badge.
Pride. Proton sure has it but cuz they “managed” to re-badge a car so “beautifully”!
Progress? Proton is sure getting better and better on “Ctrl + C” then “Ctrl + V” on their keyboard.
Passion? hmmm…. i guess Proton has it, too, cos they have spent hell lot of time to talk to the plastic moulding firm to come out with the engine plastic cover, steering wheel cover, front grille badge and the trunk badge.
This is a one obvious move to tell the whole world that “We at Proton, is running out of idea and expertise to produce a decent car and this is the only way to keep us afloat.”.
Man, all i want to do is drive a mitsu lancer gt without the bloody cvt bs..
i’m into manual cars and tahts the only fuckin reason i will buy this 1.8MT..
its like a dream come true that i can afford a 90% same model with some price difference and its again manualll!!!
so whats the big fuss fellas…most of u drive a wira and have 3 quarter mitsu parts
..now its official copycat for all you copycats..now bite the dust
fren, y ppl kutuk on proton? let me tell u y… proton is a fully own company by m’sian and perodua is a merge project with foreign company!!!!!! and proton had bought over lotus company from england and yet they did not use de tech from lotus and still keep COPY others car model and are proud of it!!!!!!! look at all de others car manufactures, they design their cars and engine, wat proton DESIGN through out dis 25 years??????!!!!!!!! yea, u might say they design campro engine, but pls is de engine reliable????!!!!!! well, dis is only my point of few…. u can ignore it if u dun agree…. :)
lastly….
Yang berkemampuan boleh beli Inspira…so…yg ada duit lebih tu jgn lah beli mitsubishi lagi…nanti nampak dwn grade lah…lg pun hndling inspira lagi bagus…guna lotus…
Yang kurang berkemampuan belilah persona elegance….memang berbaloi…
yang cukup makan boleh beli saga dulu….aku dah melalui semua zaman tu…
skg aku guna toyota….Bye2 proton….
Masalah utama sekarang, proton kata dia punya kereta lebih baik dari yang dibuat di Jepun, Jepun pula kata dia punya lebih baik. Tapi yang paling baik, kereta itu telah dapat dimurahkan daripada harga asal dengan diletakkan lencana proton. Keuntungan akan diterima oleh kedua-dua pihak proton & Jepun kerana kereta dapat dijual dengan lebih banyak kerana ia murah dan dalam masa yang sama perkongsian alat ganti antara keluaran Jepun dan keluaran proton dan dengan perkongsian ini diharapkan harga alat ganti mudah diperolehi dan murah. Pemilik-pemilik kereta keluaran Jepun usah rasa kecewa dan sebaliknya berbangga kerana mereka adalah segelintir pemilik daripada jangkaan beribu-ribu yang akan memilikinya tetapi buatan tempatan. Bengkel-bengkel dan pusat-pusat alat ganti tidak rasa takut untuk menyimpan inventori yang banyak kerana sudah pasti kereta ini dapat dijual dengan banyak kerana faktor harga. Tinggal proton sahaja yang perlu memainkan peranan utama dengan mengekalkan kualiti seterusnya memberi kenyakinan kepada pembeli. Nota – kereta ini sebenarnya bersaing dengan civik, altis, forte dan bukanyan city dan vios. Pengekalan kualiti yang tinggi dan faktor harga akan memberi keuntungan kepada proton dan rakannyan di Jepun.
Helloo guys…
after read all ur stupid opinions n comments i can conclude tht u guys no nothing about proton n cars. Pliz dont talk bullshit about our national car maker. As we all know, we are developing country not developed country. Proton only 25 years old dude!!! Yeah its true tht Proton own Lotus but not all the technologies can be copy into proton’s car b’cos of CONTRACT n certain AGREEMENTS between both companies. Rebadging is not a new issue nowadays, it has been happened long time ago. For ur information, proton now concentrating on development of hybrid’s car. So, the RnD has stopped designing standard car. No wonder proton has come out with the decision to collaborate with mitsubishi. As malaysian, dont u guys condemn our national car but plis do give some positive ideas n opinions.
Kehadiran Inspira ni sebenarnya memberi peluang kepada masyarakat malaysia memiliki teknologi sama yang ditawarkan pada Mitsubishi Lancer yang ada skrg pada harga yang sedikit murah. Juga peluang perniagaan kepada vendor tempatan. Langkah proton ini tidak dapt dinafikan ada pro dan kontra. Saya mempunyai pengalaman yang buruk memiliki salah satu produk kereta proton sebelum ini. Proton banyak ruang memperbaiki lagi produk-produk mereka. Baru-baru ini, Inspira telah diperlihatkan kepada para penduduk Labuan di show roomnya dan mendapati interior Inspira cukup mengecewakan. Malah, harganya jauh lebih mahal drpd model yang asal. Entah sama ada mereka dapat jual kereta tersebut ataupun tidak, tak pasti pulak. Proton kena mula QC semua model kereta yang dikeluarkan agar kualiti tetap dijaga.
So many basher’s…but so little intelligence….if you bash Proton, what can you do about the situation, go vote out UMNO and Binasa Negara. Then maybe we can remove protectionism. In the meantime, while you wait for gov to change (not gonna happen), what are you going to ride?
1) Got money – you won’t be bashing here coz too busy enjoying your RM100K++ imported car. You think RM100k+ car imported no problem? Just google lar…all sorts of problem!!!
2) No money – what to do? Ride bicycle or Perodua?? Perodua any better?, sell you overpriced milo tin toy cars. I have own both Myvi and Savvy…and the Savvy is still superb after 5 years…got power and solid, Myvi is a has some problems (like power window!!! WOW!) and has lose some power since 5 years ago (not to mention it floats like a sampan on the highway). You want a Sedan?? Only proton got. You want cheap rebadged car with some real power (1.8/2.0)…now Proton gives you…(and it’s one helluva car compared to junk like Honda City at the same price).
I am doing research buying a new car now….in the end…alt the cars has problems, all the SC sucks. So why pay more if you’re still gonna face the same problems???
The other people who keeps complaining what Proton rebadge blah…Perodua is 100% rebadge, so?? It is a known fact that a small country like us with minimal population very hard to support an automotive industry. It was a wrong decision by the Malaysia’s longest serving dictator(oopss…i mean PM), but now we are stuck with it. Frankly, Proton cars in recent years are pretty good…it was the QC and SC that is let down…it is simple…too many contracts to UMNO cronies supplier….so what can you do?? Previously the merger talk with VW didn’t falls through because VW wants to have controlling stake and management control. If this happens, actually, it’ll be good for Proton, because no more crony business.
So the best you can do now (if you have no money) is to buy a Cheap Proton, vote out UMNO next GE, and hopefully, remove protectionism and all shit crony suppliers. Then we will really see improvement in Proton cars.
bagus….harga Inspira di Langkawi=Labuan=Mitsubishi Lancer di Australia…..so Malaysia lebih maju drpd Australia bab harga kereta! Congratulations to Proton….