Car owners across Malaysia went through a brief period of scare this month when the government once again brought up the topic of a Vehicle End of Life Policy.
This time, the lifespan being bandied about was 12 years. Given that a lot of the lower income group tend to take 9 year loans to buy their cars, this would mean an additional loan free period of only 3 years before their cars have to be scrapped.
There can be many reasons why the government could want to implement such a scheme. We think it’s to boost a stagnating Total Industry Volume, which basically means how many vehicles are sold every year. More car sales also means more excise duty, import duty and other taxes collected, which will boost government income.
Many less infuriating reasons can be given. The official reasoning thrown about this time is safety, and government agency MIROS attempted to prove a point by crash testing a 1990 Proton Saga and showing us the devastating results.
Nevermind that crash testing a car that’s nearly double the age of the proposed 12 year lifespan doesn’t really do anything to reinforce the proposed tenure. And if you want to talk about crash safety technology period, since the original Proton Saga was based on the 1983 Mitsubishi Lancer Fiore, we are talking about engineering that’s about 30 years old now.
The reasoning is flawed because of how old models tend to be sold here in Malaysia for prolonged periods. Here are some of the cars launched in 2002, which by now would have had to be scrapped if a 12 year lifespan cap was imposed.
Yes sir, apparently your 2002 Volvo XC90 is unsafe compared to a 2013 Perodua Myvi.
And then there’s also the problem of differing standards used to build cars around the world. What if I tell you that for the longest time, certain cars (especially models that are ASEAN specific) that were sold here had less crash safety structures than the same models sold elsewhere?
The government has done good (although some would strongly argue the implementation timeline was botched) to introduce the UN ECE R94 front impact crash safety and UN ECE R95 side impact crash safety specs as a requirement – suddenly items like side impact protection beams that were missing in our Malaysian spec cars got reintroduced. But there are really a lot of death traps on the road disguised as shiny new cars of less than 5 years old.
Thankfully the government has seemed to have backed down once again from the proposal. Deputy Transport Minister Datuk Abdul Aziz Kaprawi announced yesterday in the Parliament that the government had no plans as of now to impose a lifespan cap on cars because it did not want to burden the public.
If the government wants to make sure we are all travelling in safer cars, they should start by introducing mandatory periodical safety inspections instead. And the authority performing these safety inspections ideally should not be a monopoly. If we have to live with a crappy safety shell at least we should make sure that the car is moving with good brakes and tyres with plenty of thread.
MAI has clarified that the ELV proposal does not involve scrapping but some kind of inspection process which if a vehicle fails, requires it to be sent for repairs and retested before it is allowed on the road again. Such a policy could still be announced in January 2014 together with the NAP review as it does not contradict what the deputy minister has said about not implementing a scrapping policy.
As you know, the public transportation system really has issues in Malaysia. The proposed rail systems are also very Klang Valley centric – what of the rest of the country? When I was going to college in Pusat Bandar Damansara, a journey from my home in Cheras that would take about 35 minutes by car took me about 2 to 2 and a half hours by public transport. On a student budget, any car would have had been welcome.
After that, I spent the first year of my working life as a pillion rider on the back of a pretty old Kawasaki KIPS motorcycle, avoiding ignorant drivers, dealing with the rain, punctured tyres, and reaching clients’ offices smelling exhaust smoke. Wiping my face with a wet tissue at the end of the day would turn the tissue black. At that point, any car would have been welcome.
My transportation situation is quite different now but there are many Malaysians who do what I used to do on a daily basis. There is a huge amount of people who are not what everyone considers middle class. Middle class is not the majority and I have to say that anyone proposing a 12 year vehicle lifespan is just ignorant of what is actually going on with a lot of Malaysians. Most Malaysians are not a bunch of people who can afford to buy a brand new Perodua Viva when they go to college or start off as a fresh grad.
Are you driving a really old car now because you do not have any other choice? Having the means to buy a new car but choosing to drive an old one instead doesn’t count. I’m looking for stories where you have to drive a 20 to 30 year old car or even ride a motorcycle because you absolutely have no choice. Please share your story in the comments.
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Hand off my car… & scrap all the draconian policy & all the monopoly before impose anything on the people.
HaHaHa…BN just afraid of losing votes from rural voters…not because of road safety, but BN’s political safety if all that matters most…HaHaHa
BN not afraid anything, BN create more topic to distract other issue topic, nevertheless we just a toy in their hand
And I will have to pay few hundreds more to Puspakom to “minum kopi” just for them to pass my car.. Even when my 14 years old is in mint condition..
Demi keselamatan rakyat, konon.
Eh, eh, no mandatory ESP and 7 airbags kah?
And, I like you sentence: BN create more topics to distract our attention to more important issues. Even if they internally don’t mean to do so.
All this drama not important. It is to divert our attention. It was purposely put out to distract people. The real issue is car prices.
Where is Najib’s promise of 30% reduction in car prices over a period of 5 years? Najib promised before the election that if we voted for him and BN, he would ensure that he would match PKR’s offer to reduce car prices. Najib himself quoted saying that the BN government would reduce car prices by up to 30% gradually over 5 years and we should trust BN. Infact he said BN always keeps to their word so we had nothing to worry about. 5 months have passed and nothing has been done.
Infact companies like Toyota and VW have increased their prices. Does not matter now whether a car is Hybrid, CKD or CBU. What matters now is where is Najib’s promise?
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When the PM made the promise, he needs to be responsible. No need to divert into race issue or PR vs BN politics.
since when the tax is reduce?…have you ever read newspaper that gov will not reduce exsais duty. still waiting what is their plan on how to reduce tha car price.
by the way, when the brand new car is cheap…there no need for 2ndhand car, and then the G can do the 12 years scrap policy.
Hang boloh ke ignorant? Lu punya kete ingat harga kete saja ke? Since lu bole taip komen here, baik ambik masa pergi study kete tax.
If not to blame najib xkan nak blame you. Ayo yo. If Bee End tak tamak tis thing dont happen.. corrupt country.. all sepupu sepapat become rich..
Ppl like ms forms the 47% that gave us the minority govt… you can evaluate the level of intelligence of the 47% just by reading what ms wrote. Totally incapable of making a sound and reasoned argument, babbling aimlessly.
Best thing was he promised lower prices without contributing anything to it.
In 1989, I bought my first brand new Mercedes. It was the Mercedes 230E. Real CBU German car. It was like a tank. I bought brand new at RM57,000
At the same time in 1989, my brother in the UK bought the same car a Mercedes 230E for about 23,000 pounds.
Today, in Malaysia, I got no money to buy an E250. It is RM420,000. That also CKD (with 60% Made in Malaysia parts). So I thought it was inflation, so I just buy a Myvi.
My brother in the UK just bought a Mercedes E250. Brand new. He bought for 28,000 pounds. German CBU.
Moral of the story.
UK price from 1989 to 2013 was 23,000 pounds to 28,000. An increase of 5000 pounds. Still CBU German Made.
Malaysia price from 1989 to 2013 was RM57,000 to RM420,000. An increase of RM370,000. In 1989 my Mercedes was pure German made CBU. Even the tyres and battery came from Germany. Now all the Mercedes we get in Malaysia is CKD. Beli barang buatan Malaysia but pay RM420,000 for it.
How can 5000 pounds more become RM$370,000???
So who is really lying to us?
Where got brand new CBU 230E selling for rm57000, 2 yr recond from UK already selling for rm100k plus?! My dad bought 2 yr recond UK 260E at 1991 at rm190k. You got it very wrong la!
Aiya..kacau daun la UMNO macai ni..senyap2 je la
I am no macai, it’s a car forum, so don’t have to call me macai without proof, agree to disagree ok or not?!
Innovator, in 1988, a brand new Mercedes 200 was RM$57k
A brand new Nissan Sunny 130Y was RM$18k. Sometimes can get RM$16k
A brand new Honda Accord was about RM$22k. After less can get RM$20k
Highest Honda range, higher than the Honda Accord was the Honda Prelude. That was RM$35k
Most expensive car at that time was the Mercedes 280SE. This S class was RM$120k. The BMW 728i was RM$120k. Those were the most expensive cars in Malaysia.
Don’t kelentong people lah Innovator
You are quoting the price from thin air without solid proof.
Show me the proof, or else you are the same as me, i have no need to lie, come on lar, honda accord for 2rm3k?! That time a brand new 1st saga (the types that can’t go genting) already selling for rm18k plus. It looks like it’s you who are making no sense.
I was not mistaken, 200E manual gearbox, lowest spec, model year 1990. CKD. The price, brand new then , is RM117k.
I think you are very much correct. My relatives bought 1994 honda civic already rm90k plus. Don’t tell me within 5 yrs price can increase so much from rm20k to rm90k? I am very sure 1988 saga was already selling at rm18k plus.
I am 65 yrs old. In 1989, I bought my sparkling new Volvo 244GLE for RM39,000. This is the problem with young cikus like innovator, who were never born even at that time, they come here and talk as if they know it all. My advice, young boy, learn to piss straight in the first place, then later come talk.
This is the problem with ah pek, too senile sometimes saying gibberish without checking facts. I bought my 230E recond 1990 at rm140k. My friend bought the same unit as yours secondhand at 1991 rm25k. Wonder why all these people simply saying things without really ironing a merc.. Suggest you take your medicine before coming here again..
This is the problem with kids, they overreact and go amok and hurl abuses when they cannot accept facts. Innovator and Merc owner are obviously the same person. It is true, kids must grow up first. Go study your SPM or your college work. Belum masak lagi mau bising!
ai ya you should have bought the vios mah. better resale value
“Yes sir, according to MIROS, your 2002 Volvo XC90 is unsafe compared to a 2013 Perodua Myvi”
and there’s still people who believe that the boxy volvo is stiff like a tank. believe me that crumple zone in a car is there for a reason which is to absorb the impact rather than the driver and passenger themselves
drive safe:)
This policy has no chance to be implemented. It’s equivalent to political suicide.
It can be implement… but few thing first need to be done.
as this policy will significantly increase government income by making everyone buying new cars every 12 years
government can slash excise duty , & other tax involving of buying new vehicles. this way, the vehicle price will go down about half of the the price.
This way, at least lower income can buy new vehicle with maximum of 5 years loan. they will have 7 years more to use the car before scrapping/inspection.
This is what we can call reducing rakyat’s burden in the same time iklas to make people using safer car.
The government should reduce price before implementing it. Reason: Those holding the old car are those that can’t afford new cars. If the G reduce the price later, the biggest loser will be this poor folks… besides they need to take another 9 years loan which only after another 12 years they can only enjoy cheaper car. Other reasons: those dealing with 2nd hand car business will suffer a major deficit blow. The car value drop low. In the end, the best way is to check the car fitness for the road.
i can support this if the gov includes scheme such as getting allowances for demolishing our old car and to buy new ones :)
I don’t know why but I love to drive an old car than to own a new car even though I can afford to buy a new ones. Maybe some kind of hobby.
Anyway to put that all old cars are danger that seems misleading statement. Even 5 years old car can be dangerous if miss their service such as break liquid, power steering
Actually, they can implement it.
Just give BR1M some more, sure can la. Give RM1000 a year, rakyat very happy maa. Give GST 50% oso can, as long as get BR1M.
BR1M my foot!
Scrap BN & its shameless unholy son Proton first, then the solutions to all our country’s ills will come naturally.
I concur! And please introduce Politician’s End of Life Policy first. Scrap them first before scrapping my car!
Hahhahahaa, good one! :)
Cheers :)
To put BN on the blame is such ignorant statement.
This is great news indeed. Now, one can buy/own a 20 year old Honda NSX, with piece of mind (apart from rust worries and parts availability). And those with W124 E Class (there’s still many on the road), can rejoice too.
“Here’s are some of the cars launched in 2012, which by now would have had to be scrapped if a 12 year lifespan cap was imposed.” bit of typo error on the year launched.
lol government concern about our safety HAHAHAHA. Then WHY U BUILD THE PROTON SAGA IN THE FIRST PLACE EVEN THE CURRENT GEN IS CRAP
same goes to Vios.. so Hilux face like Sam Loo..
It has been pointed out that the Boleh Land Gomen allow the car manufacturers to build or assemble “un-safe” cars in Malaysia, nothing more. These same car manufacturers will equipped their cars with tip-top quality features in more advance countries due to their safety requirement there.
You see! Same models, two different standards in different countries.
My year 2000 kancil do not have the safety belt and was approved by government,later we are required to install them. Why every time we have to suffer?
Its just so clear and simple, the Govt not long after having won the elections, are on a ROLL to raise funds to payback all those creditors (in millions of RM) which have helped them won in the process.
These bloody dUMNO Cronies basically have OVERSPENT all our taxpayers monies and now FINDING WAYS as the Govt to start claiming back these monies from the people.
So, Malaysians now have to brace themselves for MORE TAXES recently imposed by the Govt – eg GST, RPGT etc, assessment hike in KL…. and possibly even a petrol hike soon. Now, this stupid change car policy.
TO ALL OF YOU WHO VOTED THEM INTO THE PARLIAMENT, THIS IS THE SHIT THE REST OF US HAVE TO NOW DEAL WITH.
Can someone explain to me what happens if out gomen bankrupt? Will it affect the royals too?
shits just got real, everything is going up
It simply highlighted the MP/politician who come out with this idea is a populist-wannabe who just want to follow other coutry’s implementation without knowing how things work. We got lot of such example in M’sia: electronic IC (MyKad), e-Gov implementation, GST … etc. all seems perfectly reasonable on paper but poorly executed. Take MyKad for example … the only application which is practical is used by bank/finance institutions … where else did you use the micro-chip MyKad? We have thousands of immigrant having it with funny names & addrs. Similar to this proposal of 12 yrs car-retirement policy, who fully supported by our poorly educated ministers.
MIROS totally doesn’t have deep knowledge on car safety and car history in this case.. sigh.. there goes our money again.. and they shouldn’t give simple conclusion to our “brilliant” MP.. those MP will make a “smart” solution to rakyat based on MIROS simple conclusion.. ;)
that chinese guy, the head of MIROS, got a phd to show for. okay u may say he isnt expert at all and phd count for nothing, but in terms of ‘knowledge’ i think a phd holder is pretty much bigger than someone like a keyboard warrior nicknamed Ajat
this is because u are arguing it from personal point of view i.e this MIROS has not knowledge because u gotta pay for the new vehicle.
MIROS pointed out that degrading of metal strength is proportion to years of usage. which is TRUE in all physic books. even leaonardo da vinci knew this and he is something like close to 300 years old?
for petes sake, when argue something technical, please and please get your opponent right. that Phd MIROS guy is not someone u thought can eat him.
get a weaker guy.
Unless the head of MIROS can cite studies conducted by them or independent research, anyone can make misleading statements based on partial facts. Tensile strength or stress over time is dependent on materials used and environmental conditions. For example Boron steel used in some cars (Fusion, RR) are stronger than regular high-grade steel and have better long term tensile strength. You can read a little about this from the steel institute:
http://bit.ly/xV7dDd
Don’t be taken in by titles like Latuk Loctor. They are a dime a dozen in Malaysia. Just by contributing $$$$ to a University these days you can get a Honorary Doctorate and parade around with Dr title.
so now u are arguing about Latuk Loctor.
he is a profesor petes sake. he knew what hes on about.
u can do all Boron analysis or whatever. it is a very simple thing.
does steel rigidity strength reduce over years of usage? this is a very simple question.
unless the answer is YES, then i am very sure u are wrong
Steel rigidity is not the only factor to contribute to accidents in road safety. In many cases, it is common sense that accidents are caused by driver behavior more often that a fault in the vehicle itself. If it is true that cars beyond a certain period is more dangerous than recent cars, how can Americans survive whilst enjoying their muscles? There are many countries which realized that indeed cars are not safer as time rolls past, but they are willing to implement a system which does not burden the citizens in the first place. My main concern is, if countries like New Zealand can implement the Warrant Of Fitness to tackle the same issue, why can’t Malaysia do the same? It is essentially a different solution to tackle the same problem, and it just goes to show how much ‘rakyat didahulukan’ is in the government mentality now.
If you run an institute or are senior fellow over there, you also can appoint yourself as a Prof. The prerequisite of course is to have a Phd first. I used Latuk Loctor as a simple example of that. Unfortunately, even that is also too complicated for some. There is no such thing as Boron analysis. Maybe you should read the link I gave so you can avoid your moron analysis?
he is a chartered Mechanical Engineer, UK. his bio u can request from UPM. there are atleast 26 high impact journals international ones. these papers mean his findings ARE UNQUESTIONABLE (at the time being)
and u said ‘dont be taken in by titles like Latuk Loctor’. kiddo. u might want to take that back and swallow down to ur arse. this guy this prof wong is for real.
i am not glorifying him. it just i hate people like u, belittling our kind. u know nothing and u thought by mentioning Boron or whatever it is, u big boy already.
He wants ‘Latuk Loctor’ whose qualification of doctorates from 10 universities, published 1,000 journals and created 10,0000 new inventions
Only then his saying will be accepted, LOL
True, journal papers published in any conference meant that the person in question may have already performed many researches in related field, but let me remind you that in real time condition, there are many other factors unaccounted for in researches, this is one of the flaws of research: for example driver behavior, vehicle maintenance, road conditions. The reason why I focused so much on these variables is that ultimately, the implementation of this scheme is supposedly to reduce the number of accidents in Malaysia and the fatality rate brought upon by it. And I just don’t see how scrapping cars older than 12 years-old solves the issue.
UPM? You mean that no-class local University with rampant plagiarism that its own management failed to remedy? Read about it here:
http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx?file=%2f2009%2f9%2f15%2fnation%2f4713248
http://www.thesundaily.my/node/151347
Unlike yourself, I give links to prove my claims. You have any proof to share or you are the one blowing smoke up people’s arse?
There’re lot of PHD, MD, Nutritionist says high sugar intakes promote diabetes, so it’s good to promote healthy diet society. There goes our gov who raise the sugar price citing will reduce diabetes cases.
Those experts remain as experts but the motive of implementation is another story. Just like GST, this policy give gov extra incomes. What good to run this policy of the old put-your-seat-belt@back-seats is still loosely enforced?
so u have to question the implementation. not the theory behind it. about the sugar-diabetes thing, unless u are jesus, then i am sure high sugar intake deterioates your health in one way or another.
so question the implementation. not the logic behind it.
btw, its a fact not a theory anymore.
ps- i need people to argue with great credential. please. so keep close watch on world oil price, please.
A PHD won’t give a summarize sentence. 12 years old car are unsafe/unfit for the road. What is the proof? How unsafe compare to other factors? Driver behaviour? Road condition?
Besides this 12 year statement is only part of an argument to implement EOL policy. What about citizen affordability? Impact to business?
He should be more responsible by giving a better complete explanation or at least direct us to a proper website to read his research to convince us.
Besides metal degradation is not something new. Designers & car manufacturer know about that and the design have to take into account the structure safety after many years. It is a joke that a good car manufacturer will design the structure fit for 12 years use.
Besides it will be good if the PHD guy can come out to give us more explanation & let us get more answer from him.
Just because he is a PHD, doesn’t mean we can’t argue with him. There are many people including some other PHD guy waiting to exchange arguments with him. ;)
i cant see any changes in political/cronies/whatsoever issues in short period of time (or at least 5yrs time). but i do see, old cars (or not well maintained) is dangerous to other users/public. blinker / signal lamp not functioning, tyres explode without warning and so on so forth. i dont want old volvo squash me bcos of no stabilty control or truck squash me bcos of the tyres burst suddenly near me.
I don’t think there are such car scraping laws even in advanced countries like Australia, UK and US. I still see old cars running on the streets there. They may have regular roadworthy checks on old cars but not compulsory scraping. Maybe Japan or Singapore might have such scraping policies, anyone knows?
Japan doesn’t has this kind of compulsory scrapping policy. Instead, all cars need to undergo inspection every 2 years and need to pass in order to be eligible driven on the road (for another 2 years).
Sometimes the cost for repair (at minimum requirement to pass the inspection) is quite high, means that more worth to buy other used car. In this case, the user can choose either to sell his car, or simply to scrap the car. So there is no compulsory scrapping.
I think this is the first time that I see this website criticizing govt policies. Kudos for giving an unbiased view instead of being neutral. As for me I drive an 18 yr old car and while I might be able to afford a new myvi, somehow cars are not what it used to be. My current car is build to last instead of those disposable plastic throwaway cars. For example, the interior door handle of my current cars is made out of solid (not chrome mind you) stainless steel instead of those chromed plastic that will fade after a few months use
We are lucky if the color just fade away, the more common are the handles cracked into pieces and sometimes if you are un-lucky it might cut your fingers, Proton cars are the number 1 culprit here, though a Korean made one also has the same problem.
Being unbiased and being neutral means the same thing, dear friend. The writer is speaking from personal experience, and quite possibly a collective opinion of his friends and readers.
In reference to the whole GST agenda, I don’t think the government will let go of this ELV policy. It’s only a matter of time before they implement this blatantly selfish and inconsiderate policy that sees the government as its sole benefactor.
I own a 2001 BMW325i. It’s anytime safer than any new Proton or Perodua cars. Safety is simply a stupid reason. Scrap the Proton project first, then think of moving forward with new policies.
Proton cannot be scrapped, even if the “inventor” Ex-Prime Minister leave this world, we can only hope that they find a way to improve their quality by leap and bounds.
is it safer than Suprima S and Preve?
lol that beemer only score 4 stars, nothing to shout about and test done in 2001, less stricter than current one.
suprima s/preve 6 a/bags is easily 5 star australian ncap lor
Bring down the price of the car to a reasonable range .. Dont compare wif singapore as they are lack in area which we dont have to deal with.
Let a normal A segment car pricing from RM 10,000 – 16,000
B Segment 15,000 – 25,0000
C segemnt 23,000 – 35,0000
and
D segemnt within 50,000 range .
Sportscar and luxuries car it the gov widh to put the price.
if the pricing are like this with reasonably equipped safety we dont mind changing every 12 years.
Scrap out all unneccessary taxes and maintain normal income tax and GST is enough (GST = from wake up to sleep we are taxed).
It easier to have wet dreams than to have that kind of price range. Gomen will go bankrupt with that kind of pricing.
many young m’sian will bankrupt first before the gov.
Gomen is already threatening to bankrupt with the current pricing. So only to expect things to get worse?
Gomen is going bankrupt because of cronies making money and not by reducing taxes.
My father used to own a daihatsu charade G10 since 1982 – 2008 (26 years). He retired in 2008 as well. He need to buy a new car due to the charade cannot pass mandatory inspection and he bought a Gen2. Working as a degree holder teacher with his last salary before retire about RM 3500, how can he afford to buy new car if it is mandatory to change every 12yrs?
I believe a lot of people is facing the same issue and this is the middle income class in Malaysia.
there is always a choice of bicycle for your dad, as the gomen will introduce very soon. healthy, and exercise, burn more calories, no heart problem and reduces diabetes
totally agree with u! not like some people being sarcastic and not realistic.
Who would not want to drive new cars if it makes any economic sense? Who in their right mind will want to be bogged down by the maintenance issues of an old car.
If safety is really the issue, then provide the proper incentive such as duty free replacement, am sure the majority will even scrap their 5 year old units.
And let’s be fair about it. Don’t just offer to the P brands as was the case during the downturn a couple of years ago.
“And then there’s also the problem of differing standards used to build cars around the world. What if I tell you that for the longest time, certain cars (especially models that are ASEAN specific) that were sold here had less crash safety structures than the same models sold elsewhere? ”
Please give examples of this :P I think I know, but a lot of people might not know :P
I do agree that safety checks for vehicles more 10 years old is necessary at a yearly basis. Though I will see this increases the yearly maintenance of a driver if we do the UK M.O.T. style. It is good though to implement the M.O.T, though I see a loophole where the inspectors become complicit and accept bribes from people with unsafe vehicle just to make it “safe” on paper
well written article. if this was imposed; there will no longer be Antic / vintage car show and all those classic car collector will need to send their cars to the junk yard for scrap metal.
Old volvo might be save for the occupants…but not so save for others road user… nowaday safety is for both side..especially pedestrians n motorcycles…hit by an old volvo once..crush my rear end.but the volvo’ s bumper don’t even moved a bit..if u know what I mean.
240 GLT? Must Be made from quality parts,
scrapping old car? no dear professor MIROS not agree..but inspection I agree..because there are just sooo many old cars which have been ignored. but grandpa & grandma still driving it even with malfunction signals, brake lights, old worn out tires…safety is no.1
so, dad has a toyota liteace (or so) i dont know what year but i think he bought it before i was born (1987) as im 26 yo now. cant remember when was the last time i drove it for a short distance since i that’s the only car available at that time. all i can say is.. i rather walk on foot than driving the van. (it’s much more for my dad use to go to kebun now). and recently, we had our toyota unser (2002 or so)repainted and redo. i think maybe it’s the mechanic’s fault that the car sounds like a plane taking off when at 40kmph above. i was sitting behind and put on my seatbelt because i seriously think that one of the tyre is going to cabut anytime on the highway. and mom used to drive this car for few years to work. i really doubt the braking ability of the car even mom said that they just got the brake changed. anyway, i am really glad that both my parents dont have to drive these cars anymore. dad bought a dmax in 2007 and mom just bought her prius c last february, glad to know mom is going to be safe in that car. :) as for dad, i am more concern for other road users safety. (u know how ppl w big cars drive).
Cool story bro.. so what car do you drive?
a 2005 kelisa.
Even a 1996 volvo 940 is anytime safer than any new proton or perodua…
LOL how many stars ncap safety rating? 1 or 2?
suprima/preve 6 airbags has 5 stars
still driving a 15 years old car..not that i cant afford to buy a new car but to dump 80-100k on car is juz not worth it for me..i rather buy a house
yup same goes to me. im still driving my 1993 proton wira. prefer to buy house rather than spending it on cars
The vehicle EOL policy is little more than a money grab from malaysians already reeling from the effects of increasing cost of living.
If safety was the issue here, its much cheaper for the government just to mandate that all cars be sold with a full complement of safety gear.
It will never work. Just because Joe public will never agree to that.
Scrapping cars after 12 years might be idiotic, but introducing something like the MOT would be welcome, IMO.
Too many unscrupulous 2ndhand car dealers selling badly repaired cars disguising as great condition. Puspakom? Pointless checks, all they’re concerned about are window tints. And safety equipment such as airbags should be inspected and changed as required, how many of you have really replaced an airbag before?
Accident are caused by attitude of drivers and unsafe potholes road!! Not 12years or old cars! Stupid useless good for nothing MP cheating taxpayers money!
I can breathe easily now knowing this policy does not come into effect as I would like to hold onto my car for as long as it allows me. With the current global economy slowdown and price hikes, in addition to welcoming a new member in my family, I have to be very careful with every penny I earn and spend. Why this even comes to the attention of ministry beats me. Furthermore I find it very ironic when Ministry says this policy is meant to keep us safe when they allow Myvi which scores only 3 stars ASEAN NCAP ratings to be sold.
Yes BN might afraid they will lose their but the twist is that they might further imposed yearly motor vehicle inspection for cars above 12 years old.And they will start to increase the inspection fees.This is what rakyat didahulukan is all about.
Hi Paul,
Could agree with you more,
And I do drive a 9 year old, a ssangyong chairman,not by choice but by necesscity, but at least it has all round disc brakes, ABS, dual Airbags and Traction Control.decided to use this as it is definitely much safer to be in this car, compared to a tiny car, with no safety features
when you have family expenses, mortgage etc; every cent counts!
I do get riled up with ignorant and naive government servant, clueless of what their doing, shooting their mouth off, without a thought off consequences to the Malaysian Public.
For all the millions that the government is spending on consultants on half-baked policies like NKRA, ETP etc etc; or even provide 1/5 of the funding to us people in this forum, I am dead sure we are be to come up with a better National Automotive Policy, at a much shorter time.
But alas………
Why G won’t lower the car price by at least 30% then introduced this policy, rakyat may not have this much money to lose on car and drive safer though I dont agree that today Myvi is safer than the Volvo XC90
Myvi is a PURE SHIT CAR.Should have never entered malaysia:)not safe to drive expecially on the highway.feels damn scary.my dad’s old honda jazz 1st generation 2003 model also much safer than that junk myvi.Perodua is forever building SHIT JUNK, PEOPLE LAST.nuff said
Myvi is very very safe, can escape from collision because it can fly!
Good coverage on the subject. Somehow I have also read your frustration (like most Malaysian do) between the lines. Unless it is all just figments of my own imaginations?!
As far as story sharing goes, I remember when my Dad bought his first car-a second hand Datsun 120Y back in 1977, I can recall it was from then on a huge improvement in our quality of life. With 4 children to ferry about, My dad used to ride on his Vespa and drop us off at school ONE BY ONE
With the car, 8 trips a day to school becomes 2 trips. (Hence huge improvement on our quality of lives)
He still drives that car even today for his daily runabouts although a newer paid off Inokom Atoz is given to him to use.
For me,I bought a second hand Proton Satria 1.3 as my first car in 1999, if it was not because its involvement later in 2 accidents (one major one minor no thanks to my young and reckless driving years), I’d kept it longer. Still I kept the car for almost 5 years. i kept my next ride, a Hyundai Accent for 8 years , only given up on it after a series of costly repairs and 4 breakdowns in the 7th & 8th year involving tow trucks is required kind of embarrassing moments. By then it has clocked in 280,000 km mileage (so to be fair it has served me well)
All in all, I do not have the tenacity to hold on to a car as long as my dad does and to me that all boils down to what the car has meant for the driver: For my dad,it was one of his proudest moment to upgrade to a car owner (he bought his first car at age 36; me? at age 28, which would be considered very late nowadays) and the memory and nostalgic value that money can’t buy that has been built around the car.
For me, the car has sadly always been a basic necessity , it was my second mode of transport after taking buses and LRTs for 8 years of working life, now i have to built my livelihood with a car (my job requires a lot of travelling), it is a tools and that is all there is for me.
I don’t know which generation’s regards to a thing called car is better but perhaps that is not really the question because times has indeed changed
As you have rightfully pointed out, we upgrade to new cars and dispose old ones for many reasons when we can afford it and sometimes ‘have to afford it’: be it for Safety, for better fuel economy, lesser headaches in looking for parts, etc., as a way of rewarding our selves or for ferrying the growing family but there are many more.
But like all things, every products have a life cycle management to it and Malaysia definitely needs to look at vehicle end of life management in a very structured and defined ways, because in the wake of Global warming, it is only part of responsible living. And to me Sooner is better than Later.
you still havent mention what you are driving now, i know you like the V40, but now?
BMW 335i F30 HAMANN RACE EDITION
Who will not want a new car if he/she can afford to? The government is out of their mind thinking that we are not changing our car because we want to save money. Yeah right! Duhh! Even if we save also because we have to channel the money for other basic needs like house, food, fuel and other shits that are rising because of their policy too.
The government, already tax us so much on cars, now they want use to change the car more frequently so that they can tax us for more times. What type of government is this? Dia ingat kita ni cetak duit atau apa? Dan kalau harga kereta murah, kita boleh guna duit yang dijimatkan untuk barang yang lebih stabil nilainya, seperti: tanah, rumah, perniagaan, pelajaran dan sebagainya. Negara akan lebih maju dan rakyat lagi kaya begitu. Duit bagi kat kerajaan sekarang buat apa? Bukanya duit itu ditambah nilai, tetapi dibazirkan, jangan lupa tentang wang kwsp, wang amanah saham semua itu kerajaan tengah pakai tu, boleh bayar sepenuhnya atau tidak tak tahu lagi ni. Kerajaan sekarang ni macam main tutup lubang, lubang ada 10, penutup ada 9, take turn tutup. Lagi teruk penutup punya makin hari kurang!
What about retirees? Do they have to fork out money to replace their 12 year old cars when they are already out of work for more than 20 years? Or are their children (if they had any) have to buy a new car for them? Dah la the younger generation cannot afford a house, suddenly they have to also pay loan for two cars (one for themselves, another for their parents).
Hi Paul,
I drive a 1992 Proton Iswara Aeroback which was a hand me down from my father. I’ve had it for 11 years. I hated the thing at first because it gave me so many problems but after years of minor improvements, it is a reliable car as long as I do normal servicing and maintenance.
My wife started working last year and I bought a Perodua MyVi EZi for her to drive to work. I pay the monthly instalments and together we are saving for a modest house.
That’s the biggest issue for us: affordability. I suppose I could get another car with a loan but with property prices far outrunning increasing car prices, our priority is a house.
After rejecting two loan offers, I settled on the lowest interest rate I could find (at 2.88%) but could not qualify for a seven-year loan. The total with interest for the car comes up to more than RM64,000.
We have made our 19th monthly payment of RM595 but we have not paid off the interest amount yet. How much will car be worth when the loan is finally paid off in 2021?
Cars in essence are a bad investment, unless you’re collecting classics. Many people need a car to get a job and stay employed – auto makers are banking on this. The interest rates for local cars are higher – finance institutions are banking on this. Cars are wear and tear machines – parts manufacturers are banking on this.
Need I say more?
Too bad the policy has been dropped. Or else can get a 12 year old Ferrari next to nothing and convert into a bed or sofa.
This should apply only to Proton cars, not other make.
Another idea to bleed the public by UMNO cronies as all AP are given to them.
the sensible thing to do is to implement “Road worthy certificate” for older cars. Cars older than say 15 years need to undergo yearly inspection to renew registration. No doubt there will be abuse, but better than the stupid idea of 12-year life span rule.
u forgot Vios meh?
1. Government should pegang janji and give us 20% – 30% car price reduction.
do anything u like to reduce it..
2. meanwhile, Educating Rakyat about more then 12 years old car is dangerous in terms of low reliability and high breakdown issue.
cars above 12 years must be check thoroughly and must be forced to repair any defects in the car.
my defects definition = problem related to engine, gearbox, brake, clutch, suspension etc.
owner should be given (maybe 1 year) to repair the car..
else, he is not allowed to renew his road tax @ 13th years.
hence, to reduce trouble, owner should always keep in check that the car is in good running condition.
3. With the 20% – 30% car price reduction, and 12 years mandatory inspection.
Car 2nd hand value will drop drastically.
this allow the poor people able to buy newer 2nd hand car at the same time.
If not mistaken, a foreginer car before 12 years, u still can take loan. while local car, before the age of 10 years, u still can take loan.
yea, through this, the poor can easily get a much cheaper 2nd hand value (due to car price reduction + mandatory inspection), yet able to take loan.
so affordability is quite high even for the poor.
take example:
a proton wira 10 years old now = let say RM12k.
but,
if car price reduction + mandatory inspection.
a proton wira 10 years old will immediately drop to RM5k.
yea, this car need puspakom check as well right?
so, where is the afforability issue?
while u still can take loan??
They should scrap proton first before scrapping our car. Look at proton model range. Easily all age above 5 years still selling as new car.
Pay close attention to the phrase “for now”, whatever that implies.
My stand is simple – rather than scrapping old cars, our government should emulate the British MOT system, i.e. by making it mandatory for vehicles above 3 years of age to undergo Puspakom inspection for roadworthiness. Of course, the minimum vehicle age and frequency of re-inspection are subject to further study by MIROS to suit our climate and road conditions etc.
first of all can our Puspakom be harap??
The fundamental problem is there is no mandatory birth control policy in the country…so poor kids can’t afford safe expensive car…
Our public transport compare to other country is shit. Our car tax is one of the highest and our goverment also selling rubbish proton. Dare to say scrapping 12 old car.
I don’t understand why MIROS wasting their time testing that old saga. For sure that saga was not design to meet all the crash tests!. And then saying old saga not safe!
reduce crazy duties and abolish ap, then u will solve the junk issue.
It was an idiotic proposal for Malaysia to begin with! So don’t expect us to praise you Mr. Dep Minister!
My Dad’s a retiree who drives a 4 yr old Myvi for errands. Out-station trips with the Myvi are next to non. Hence mileage is low. We maintain it with regular periodic servicing. So it can and shld last us.
Now, when this proposal was made, did they even consider the implications to this segment of our rakyat. They’re retirees, they’ve paid their dues! So what more do you want from them?
Not everyone can afford and/or want’s to have a new car(loan) every 12 years.
So perhaps, a bit of tghgt before proposing policies is needed lar (assuming they’re capable of rational tght that is)
Another very well written article by Paul Tan! We need more leaders like him in Malaysia. Those who genuinely care for the public, those who can feel what most Malaysians go through.
Scrap policies are not relevant nowadays.. With better service, parts availability & technology car make over is easy… Almost everything can change into new.. Engines, gear etc…Old cars can be as good as new.. It also called restoration. Safety reasons are craps… Please la ministers.. Don’t make yourself stupid… Or think we are stupid.
I drive a 1990 proton saga which clocked 288,993 Km now.For the past 23 years or so of journey ,from home to office and back , no human beings , dogs and cats , dragonfly and butterfly ,beetles and bees , were hurt or killed by this car.But they still want to “kill” my car. Sigh !
First and foremost, this is a well written article, and just shows at what state we are in the transport industry.
Now, thing is, a scrapping policy never works well. Especially in countries like MY, where a car costs an arm and a leg, how do you expect people to live?
Second thing, you cannot scrap just cause of age. A 12 year old vehicle can be safer than a new vehicle, it depends on the make. Let’s say we take the W211 E class. That model started production in 2002, making it 12 years old next year. Now, let’s compare it to a Perodua Kancil made in 2002. Do you think they will rate the same? It’s just as good as comparing a Samsung S2 or iPhone 4s with say a new Samsung basic phone. Of course the S2 will still be better and faster.
Having a mandatory yearly check ala MOT is fine. Just don’t give it to Puspakom only. Allow all certified mechanics and manufacturer service centres to be able to issue the approval. Because really, Puspakom is a joke. Just see what condition the buses, lorries and taxies are and how can they even get an approval.
No ady s4 lor
My friend drove a 15years Accord, and the boss keep nagging him to change a new car cause he bring foreign visitors around. The word used is from bad to worse, and he is still smiling and say yes, almost etc.
Who would like to drive in a 15 years old car if he can afford one? But, does the pay checque provided sufficient to provide a family man a comfortable lifestyle and enough to purchase a new accord? Does the boss think deeper?
Good part is the boss doesn’t have a right to terminate his car, else he will have to sell off the accord and start to drive a 7 years old Civic I think.
Well we stay in Malaysia and less of us has such capability to leave our home land. But do we have a choice? For me, yes. We have.
Malaysia is one of the very less country in the world that the government protect the VIP corrupted individual. The amount we are talking is tremendous, highest in the world. You can’t imagine the amount.
So this government want to force the mouse deeper into the longkang. The mouse is digging everywhere for junk food, left over etc. And now the government want to implement measure to clean the longkang, What to do? Sigh..
if the government able to make good public transport system, and remove all tax impose on imported cars. Welcome to take my old cars, i will even sell off my newly purchase car if the public transportation is good. Been visit to Singapore and Japan for example, I don’t see any reason I need my own vehicle… Taking public transport there is just a breeze and joy :)
I’d rather buy used Peugeot 406 instead of brand new myvi..
Talk about the 12 year policy after making cars tax free if nt gov should just shut up and stop pissing the rakyat off
Just out of curiosity, what are the cars they did not have side impact bar and got reintroduced?
Driving my parents (now considered mine since they cant drive anymore due to age) 21 year old corolla seg. still faithfully serving despite the usual wear and tear considering the car’s age. cant afford to buy a new car with my current pay. staying in tg malim and working in kl. commuting daily with my trusty rolla.
looks like what Singapore COE…car only road legal for 10yrs, then scrap or re-bid for new COE…
very good income for Government.
which cave are you from? do you know where’s s’pore?
Kerajaan kena upgrade kualiti jalanraya dulu la baru fikir nak scrap kereta lama2 ni. Jalan yg ada pun berlubang & berlekuk sana-sini. Banyak yg rosak & tak repair. Kalau repair pun ala kadar saja. Seminggu dua dah rosak semula. Memang la banyak kereta rosak kalau hari-hari macam ni. Bukan sebab masalah kereta dah lama saja.. Opsss! lupa pulak kebanyakan pak2 menteri & pegawai2 besar ni hanya naik kereta2 mewah saja. Kalau lalu jalan rosak pun x terasa sgt gegarnya macam kita rakyat marhaen yg mampu naik kereta Proton & Perodua. Hahahahahahaaaaaa…
miros is brainless! how can a crappy myvi safer than xc90? i will never believe until they do a crash test!
I guess Gov should crash test between Datsun and New Proton too.
This is a bit long but the recent comment by the Malaysian Institute of Road Safety Research (Miros) Director-General Prof Dr Wong Shaw Voon that cars older than 12 years old are not safe to be on the road which aroused heated political debate as well as downright comical comments on both the print media and new media has got me going.
While there are interesting conversations in the debates, sadly, we are missing the point here by miles (or kilometres, if you prefer) on what matters most…safety on our roads.
I disagree with MIROS as the potential safety risk of a car is more due to its mileage (usage) and service/maintenance history and less so due to age alone. Basically, a car with higher mileage is more worn out and if not properly serviced/maintained, is worth less and poses a higher driveability and safety risk than another car of the same age/make. Therefore, the ‘usage’ of our cars is a more critical indicator of its road-worthiness than its ‘age’.
In Europe & the US, it is a fraudulent act to sell a car where its odometer is not working, been adjusted or has been reset without informing the new owner (mileage fraud). In the US, in addition to going to jail, you can also take civil action against the fraudster. The European Parliament is also active in raising awareness and cooperation at the European level to the potential and benefits of enforcing action against mileage fraud for both consumers and professional car traders.
In Malaysia, while there are threads on the subject of odometer fraud in the various car forums, sadly on the ground, the practise of odometer tempering in our used and reconditioned car market is so prevalent and we, as always, take the ‘biasalah…takpe’ attitude.
I have been in the market recently for a second-hand car and a friendly salesmen whispered to me, ‘semua itu mileage tipu punya’ when I asked about his 80,000km 1999 Mercedes E240 (which if the proposed policy was implemented is no longer roadworthy). He whipped out his calculator and said ’16km satu hari average….boleh percaya kah?’ Indeed, for KL, he added, the rule of thumb is 20,000 to 24,000km per year, which comes up to approximately an average of 50-60km/day.
It is a little better if you are going for a UK used/reconditioned car, as you can search the internet for information on the car based on the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). For my 2009 Audi A5 Sportsback, I could trace the details of when and at which factory the car was produced. By paying extra for an on-line report based on the VIN and the previous British number plate, I could trace the car to the dealer in the UK which showed it was registered and used as a demo car and the mileage it had.
In April, I sold my 2006 Toyota Innova, which was in an immaculate condition but had 160,000km on it. I gave all my Toyota authorised centre service records to the 2nd hand car dealer. He looked surprised and said ‘No needed lah. Kereta sudah banyak cantik.’ I wondered whether he was already thinking of the ‘reversal’ treatment and then advertising it on Mudah.com as ‘low mileage/tip-top condition’. My 2013 Kia Sorento that replaces the Innova with has already clocked 25,000km in just 7 months.
Some will argue that checks are done by Puspakom in the buy/sell and transfer process. However, I found out that only in the B7 inspection (for Hire Purchase cars) includes ‘checking’ the odometer reading. Unfortunately, the cost of this test is borne by the seller and with the reputation of our used car sellers, I need not say more and will leave that topic for another day. The tales about what you can ‘pinjam’ at the workshop near to the Puspakom centers may be another topic of interest.
So while the iron is hot on the topic of road safety and worthiness of the cars on our roads, it is high time for the car industry; buyers and dealers to insist and appreciate value of the service records, and more importantly for the authorities and agencies to protect the customers against the practise of Odometer fraud. At the same time, our automobile regulators and authorities should (re)look at emulating the British’s MOT test system if indeed the aspects of automobile safety, roadworthiness and exhaust emissions are of their utmost concern.
When at the end, both political divide are claiming victory on the issue but it still leaves us bewildered and bemused. Prof Dr Wong was reported in the Edge Financial Daily to say that indeed maintenance does influence the lifespan of the car. Unfortunately, he continued “…I was merely elaborating on findings of the study…where older cars above 12 years were prone to severe damage if they collide with a new car.’ He added that the test was done in Melaka using an old Proton Saga car.
are you abg iskandar from MMCPR?
However long or short the age limit of a car is, even if there is none, kimchis will still devalue by 50% within a year
Screw you! I love my fiat Coupe turbo and I’m not gonna let anything happen to it
Back in the days during the 90s, I had to take public transport to college as my family only has 1 car and no way can they afford to get me a car because the fees weren’t very cheap and sometimes I have to borrow my friends Kawasaki kap chai to go around and I seldom have the chance to use my dad’s iswara since it was the only car in the house and he needs it more than I do. I’m quite relief that it has not been implemented otherwise it would have been a bad move to do so and creating more problem for the people
If the car is very cheap mybe. Lets say 50% cheaper than current selling price then it is a good idea. Example: Currently we pay about 130k for a latest honda civic and then we use the same car for 24 years VS if the price is reduced 50% to 65k, we can buy one honda civic use for 12 years, then buy a new generation of civic 12 years later for another 65k. Total still 130k.
Consider a used kimchi. Very dai mai
We are still dreaming that our car price can come down by 50%?
Dear Paul,
What will happen to classic cars?
I was about to ask the same thing when I saw your post. There are a lot of us who drive classics or modern classics for the love of these cars as they we our dream cars as we were growing up and we now have the financial flexibility to drive these lovely machines.
From the postings above, most of us in this category will agree to annual inspections along the lines of MOT as long as it’s not monopolized by puspakom.
The flip side is that the centers doing these inspections have to be of a level of integrity that is not existent in this third world country. There, I’ve said it.
The current car that I am driving is not 20-30 year old, but just a 13, going on to 14 year old Saga. Not sure whether it will pass some monopolized car checks, but it serve my purposes well enough, being able to transport me from places to places with minimal fuss. Routine checks are done to maintain the car, and so far technicians could find no major faults with it. The loan has long been satisfied.
Frankly, the intentions of the plan is good, but I question the actual reasoning or timing of the implementation. If it is really because of safety, then by all means. But I will certainly object if it is just to service some cronies pockets and make them ever richer.
why must change every 12 years, i change my wife every 12 years can or not…seow lang
Very good piece of Paul. Thanks for being vocal and a bit cynical at the same time. Hahahahaha.
Why not implement mandatory abs+airbag+esc+tc on all car model sold in bolehland soil?? Isn’t this much more sensible and reachable suggestion for our government and car producer to achieve.??
Oh wait……that would mean thin profit margin for our for our kroni.
I will agree to 12 EOL policy if it is also applied to this hopeless government. After 56 years of Merdeka, this BN government should have been replaced long long time ago and most of us would be driving much better, safer and newer cars. Cars in Malaysia are over priced just like everything that is linked to cronies. Ordinary Malaysians are being taken for a ride just because we need a car in order to get from point A to point B. This EOL talk is just someone link to the government trying to make big bucks, they are not concern our safety (if they are concern for our safety, they would not have allowed Viva or Kancil to be produced in the first place). Asked yourself why they did not implement this policy before the last general election if they are concern about our safety. Forget about annual inspection, do you guys know how bloody corrupted those guys at Puspakom are and not to mention that they are so incompetent. Look at how many suspect lorries and buses that are allow on the road.
Fully agreed. My daughter is currently taking a school bus which is as old as the unker himself. I see uncountable no of layers of paint on the bus body mcm kuih lapis but who cares? It is LULUS and somebody certified that it’s fit to run on the roads! OTOH, my 6 yrs old Swift Sport is almost got labelled as unfit, unsafe or whatever. WTF!
I thought you send her in Bentley each time
Agree with the annual UK MOT-style roadworthy test system. Every car above a certain age goes for annual inspections to make sure they’re roadworthy. The inspection is carried out by independent & competent (regulated and monitored) parties for a small fee set by the ministry (also not to mention, rasuah-free). You either pass, fail, or pass with advice (the inspector advises on conditions of the car that might require attention). Fail and you’re required to fix the car and have it tested again, or consider scrapping if the cost of repair is not worth it.
Drivers who are able to maintain their cars in excellent condition for many years should be credited, not punished. The UK exempts tax on cars made before 1973 as they are considered classics.
Many Malaysians have emotional attachment to their cars. Imagine yourself as an owner of a now rare Proton Knight for instance. It’s a shitty car but some babies were born/made in them! Ok, bad example. What about an E30 M3. Surely that’s got to be a modern classic. How about an Evo 6 or a Lancia Delta Integrale or the original Quattro or the AE86 or even the older Skyline GT-Rs? It would be sad to see these cars ending up in museums, or scrapyards.
A car is roadworthy if its body holds well, stops well, drives within its limits (a Kancil with a turbocharged Supra engine probably wouldn’t count), and functions properly on the road…
BTW, what’s Puspakom doing?
i’m really surprise Prof Dr Wong could say it just based on single test on old proton saga test to justify car are not safe after 12 years.
As a researcher, he should take all sample(all model car) for crash test before conclude the result..it’s a basic for a researcher. i’m really disappointed with this kind of quality of Prof…
I think he obtained his PhD from an discredited Uni in some China outskirt. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH.
Just look at EuroNCAP results in the past 16 years (and how they had to increase the threshold to get a certain rating) and you will see that generally speaking cars have become much safer. Now there are of course some new third world country cars that are less safe than an old model, or downgraded models meant for the ASEAN market, but as far as global models go newer usually means safer.
Pathetic….. G is a laughing stock. Stop dreaming, many people I’m M are suffering now especially with the new implementations in budget. 12 years to the scrappie… I think 12 months the G needs to go tonthe scrappie. Maybe the G will need to be changed to a G that hears the rakyats voice.
Promises are easy to make. It’s about keeping them that THEY are struggling with. Because of the unwillingness to depart with the so-called ‘durian runtuh’ blessings they squeeze out of the citizens. We pay taxes for what ?? To support THEM and THEIR lifestyle. As long it is not using their own money, they won’t feel a thing at all. That is why, THEY are very good in making promises which THEY don’t really intend to keep and making plans that affect the whole nation based on their own selfish way of life. The good are being suppressed to agree with them because the bad are usually those at the top most position.
Those who mooted out e idea of scrapping old cars even after must be out of this world.They thought most of us minting money.
This is all abt psychological manipulation. First the retarded government came out with something ridiculous and impossible to execute and they know we monkeys (including myself)are going to make a lot of noises, later they came out with something less retard and ridiculous (like mandatory inspection by some MONOPOLIZE car inspection ctr)and expect we monkeys to be happily accepting the less evil. The retard government has been using the tactic more frequently after the recent election. The worst thing that can happen to a person or in this case the retard government is to underestimate its ppl’s intelligence.
“MIROS attempted to prove a point by crash testing a 1990 Proton Saga and showing us the devastating results.”
What kind of point are they trying to prove? That particular model is NOT SAFE since NEW. Why don’t they take a 1990 Volvo 240 instead? When u r trying to suck up to your master at least do some homework first.
While the Volvo will be safer than the Saga, there is still a huge gap to even a mediocre modern car.
My dad own a 30 years old Mercedes W126 and it’s still going strong… Same thing applies to his 20 years old Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0. Oh wait, but the jeep don’t brake instantly though.
Enough with that old junk!
Why not? The W126 is super solid. You feel as secure as if you’re in a tank. The even older Volvo has safety features that a Preve now has, but Volvo had them 30 years before…
what volvo model is that?
I would take older Volvo models (before it is Chinese owned) as an example. My uncle got back ended by a Land Rover while he was in his 240 and no massive dents despite the loud impact noise. I also once got involved, this time, well I forgot which one, but it’s a touring. Guess what? An idiot ran over us from our back and luckily my dad can control it easily. If we weren’t in the Volvo we would most likely spin out
This : The even older Volvo has safety features that a Preve now has, but Volvo had them 30 years before.
I dun think so. The Volvo 240 Series of cars did not receive Anti-Lock Braking until 1991. The airbag (one unit) is only applied after 1990. That’s not 30 years before year 2013.
And you want to compare other safety features that preve has? That’s insane. Old volvo is a junk for today’s standard.
Crap la, means if i buy the new Vios, i have to straight away scrap it cause the stuff inside more than 12 years old. damn!
how about the role of many workshops and auto repair shops in malaysia? aren’t they equally (or perhaps worst) blood sucking imprudent devils that contribute to unsafe cars when they are supposed to be honest and diligent in repairing and servicing customers’ cars? aren’t workshop owners the ones who always rip customers off with junk brake pads, radiator coolent, transmission fluids, tyres, etc., when they give you no choice but to take the so called bloody OEM because the ori parts are not carried purposely because of their greed for more imprudent profiteering? aren’t they the ones who always say ‘ini balang boleh masuk, jangan lisau’ and ‘mana ada mahal, saya tada untung ini harga’, etc? huh, mana ada orang mau meniaga tara untung?!?! so who is the bigger imprudent blood sucking devil that squeeze people? are workshops in singapore like this too? i bet cars in singapore are safe on the road because honest workshops help make their fleet affordably safe.
then we should put u on the blame because u voted for bn
man, you have issues…whether you vote bn, umno, mca, mic, pas, pkr, dap, etc who cares man…that’s your personal preference…it’s like what color of undergarment you choose, which woman you choose to marry to, which toilet you choose, which car you choose to drive your butt around, do others ever care?
anyway the reason to the policy is just flaw. if safety is the concern and ultimate concern, there are many other moving parts in the whole process and system need to be accounted for and deliberated before coming to a policy…the system and process for people to check cars safety with puspakom must be restudied because there are already so many complaints and skeptism about it…the blood sucking and imprudent workshops also have to be addressed because they are in the system too, not helping but tarnishing other reputable, credible, honest and reasonably priced workshops…many more factors to be discussed…just to come up with one policy…
I’m a patrolman at AAM (Automobile Association of Malaysia) for 24 hours breakdown service everyday. we using very old patrol vehicle that don’t have airbag, ABS brake, no power steering, bad body frame, bad handling, but even though it been use daily 24/7 and the mileage is crazy. but it never crash or breakdown. i also saw ambulance, fireman, policeman and even army using very old vehicle (Gov please help street heroes 1st lol) . my point is, the age of the vehicle is not the main issue for the road safety. it is depend on the driver skill and attitude and how good you maintain the vehicle. if the driver drive recklessly and carelessly even 5 star safety grade cars can be dangerous to all road user. if the gov really concern about Rakyat safety, then reduce car price and tax so that rakyat can buy more “safe car”. reduce car price can boost up sale and also help giving gov more income(sama2 untung, rakyat get better cars, gov get better income), if the cars price is high, the sale is less. more burden for both side lol.
No wait, I see the points. Malaysian cars made in 2002 is far different from European cars made in 2002 as pointed out by Paul. The government didn’t notice this blindspot. While Europe cars shown is modern and advanced, all we have from Malaysian is a Saga, then refreshed, and then refreshed. No, I’m not hating on proton, in fact, I love them. But you know, proton is a bit lagging behind compared to those Europeans there. I mean, from the shown example of the Iswara crash test, it’s all just a refreshed Saga. Whereas most European cars have 5 star NCAP safety rating at the same time period of the Iswara/older than Iswara. I can easily see that this EoLV policy is pointless. If this was implemented, then what the hell is Malaysians going to drive if all they can afford is cars older than 12 years?
12 years old cars are not safe? What about the motorcyclist? They are more risky to get into accident than any other cars regardless of how old it is. I have a motorcycle but my mom got a car. I know the risk, and the hazards. So the government are more concern of the old cars rather than millions of motorcylist on the road? Seem to me the goverment have higher agenda here. Forcing more people to buy motorcycle? Population control perhaps? Illuminati?
So Gomen is telling me, that any car less than 12yo is very safe la? will not get into accident? Come on, any vehicle on Malaysia’s road is open to the same risks, be it Ferrari, Beemer or Myvi, old or new.
old wife is more prone to “accident” than new wife hahaha
reading this freshly …for the first time…after just sighted a viva which has done 539945 on the odo….,,,kch swak