Peugeot’s gasoline engines are finally being updated to be matched with 6 cogs, at least for the PSA-BMW Prince engine that Peugeot uses in the 308 and various other models.
The next generation of Peugeot cars with Prince engines will get the new AT6 6-speed automatic transmission supplied by Aisin, instead of the old AL4 that you currently find in the 308 and the 206. One of the first models to get the new combo is the 308 CC, which will get a Prince 1.6 engine with 156hp, 240Nm and the 6-speed auto.
The AT6 (with Tiptronic System Porsche) can withstand a maximum torque of 300Nm, so please take that in mind when you rechip your future 6-speed Pug. This is less than the 450Nm that the AM6 transmission that the Peugeot HDi turbodiesel engines are equipped with, but that is given since the AT6 is lighter and more compact.
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still porsche?
Cheers.
Aisin gearbox should be less problematic than AL4
1st!!
"at least for the PSA-BMW Prince engine that Peugeot uses in the 398 and various other models."
paul is there a typo there? 398? or is it suppose to be 308?
Is it similar to BMW MINI Prince's ZF 6-speed?
How much torque can the old AT4 handle? Feel like re-chipping the 308 Turbo for some additional HP. Or maybe sell the current model quickly before the new AT6 comes n.
When it will be available in Malaysia? Somebody from Nazim?It will make it more value for money then the T&H brand.Poor thing Altis owner still using 4 speed. HA HA …
Finally!! I was thinking that they forgot that gearboxes need to by updated as well as.
Thats the way forward. use japanese gearbox for conti cars…
One of the first models to get teh new combo is the 308 CC
teh?
Keith Duckworth said,
January 27, 2010 @ 5:02 pm
'Aisin gearbox should be less problematic than AL4'
Petrol engines simply don't play a big role in France and Peugeot's main markets. Peugeot didn't want to waste money to develop an own 300Nm gearbox.
BTW: Diesels registered in Luxembourg (77.2%), Belgium (77.0%), France (73.9%) and Spain (70.9%).
Growth rates of diesel registrations in Europe: Baltic States (34%), Bulgaria (26%), Poland (23%), and Romania (22%)…
about time too.I like pugs but the AL4 gearbox is notoriously easy to breakdown.(I owned a 307SW)
i heard mini not going use prince engine already
tikus said,
January 27, 2010 @ 6:51 pm
When it will be available in Malaysia? Somebody from Nazim?It will make it more value for money then the T&H brand.Poor thing Altis owner still using 4 speed. HA HA …
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Very soon, but the price will increase
why 6 speed only?
I was told the AL4 problems here can be solved with installing a gear oil cooler.
the al4 is just a generic name and the al4 in the 206 is different to the one in the 307, the 308 and the 407. they also have different programme settings for each model as the gearbox has to match the power and torque characteristic of each different model.
finally, this news break cover. well, its really an open secret among Peugeot circle.
in Malaysia, at least, very few could critise the number of cogs Peugeot auto g/b have after this!
hopefully, application of the 6-speed g/box to models that are and will be sold here will be done quickly.
even accord and camry auto g/box only have 5-speed. but i guess many other marques will follow suit.
Paul, do you know the maximum torque capacity of the revised AL4 for the 407? Rule of thumbs says a gearbox can handle up to 30-40% more. Can this be applied to the 200N/m of torque that the new 407 engine is currently producing?
Is any owner here of the current 308VTi/Turbo facing the gearbox issue? Or any like the 308 will get replaced with the 6AT gearbox soon? I’m planning to go for one actually.
I have read all over the internet that this specific Aisin 6 speed transmission (AM6) is known to break down within 70 to 80.000 KM!! There is a design fault in the transmission causing the hydraulic valve body to breakdown at a very young age. Peugeot/Citroen, Mazda, Saab, Jaguar, Ford, VW, and Mini Cooper have all had this complaint. There are probably thousands of owners that are affected. Problems started coming to light in 2009, 2010 and are still coming in. No one wants to admit that it is a factory fault or design fault. This transmission is sealed and is sold as a “Maintenance Free” transmission. Fact of the matter is, change your transmission oil at EVERY service interval if you want this transmission to at least last you 200.000 KM. PSA have now advised to change the transmission oil every 100.000 KM. Do not listen to them and have it changed every interval or you will be forced to either replace the transmission at 6.000 euros or more, or the hydraulic valve block at 2500 euros. Also this part breaks down for the lucky ones under guarantee or they have a lease contract and are not financially gutted! It mostly occurs just a month or more before the end of the guarantee period if you’re lucky, or just after and you’re shafted! PSA is not admitting there is a fault with the transmission. It is curious to see that they have abandoned this transmission now with their newer models, just like they abandoned the AL4 transmission when that started to make problems due to design faults. So each transmission so far has had major structural design faults, the AL4 and AM6, now the AT6??? I hope those who buy cars with this transmission don’t get shafted but I have no faith in Aisin nor Peugeot on this matter.
I will not be buying a Peugeot ever again! BUYER BEWARE!!! Sell the car on before the guarantee period is over, or you will be financially gutted!!!