Ex-Ford engineer faces jail for stealing trade secrets

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  Comments express strong opinions on Chinese intellectual property theft, especially in automotive design, criticizing China for copying without permission or royalties. Many view this as unethical and detrimental to innovation, comparing Chinese piracy to cheating and plagiarism. Some defend China’s technological progress but emphasize the importance of respecting IP laws. Overall, sentiments are mostly negative towards China’s copying practices, with calls for fair practices and condemnation of illegal copying as a form of stealing.

• FucUS on Apr 14, 2011 at 11:36 am

  Come on who want to copy Ford, lousy car, want copy also will copy from Benz lah

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  • din on Apr 14, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    maybe if he move to bolehland, then he can copy n not get arrested :-)

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    • FucUS on Apr 14, 2011 at 6:33 pm

      Problem is bolehland got nothing to copy lah. In fact most of the thing in bolehland also copy from other people, for example my US’s friend insisted that our national flag is a copy cat from US national flag. And my Indon’s friend told me that our national anthem is a copy cat from an Indon classic song…something like Mamula Moon.

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      • Fazzurri on Apr 14, 2011 at 10:27 pm

        What are u saying Fucus?? Regret born here? FYI Negaraku music is based from Perak State anthem. The original song is came from Seychelles Island and brought here by Perak’s Sultan who have been exiled there. Actually the Malay Bangsawan from Malaya who bring the Mamula Moon to the Indon..

        But have to agree with u on national flag..

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        • squall_shinoda on Apr 15, 2011 at 1:26 am

          About our Jalur Gemilang, it was the British who selected that design to be our national flag during a competition to choose one, without any objections by the US.

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  • Tamiyamudi on Apr 14, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    This is not the matter of whom to be copied. It is a crime when that person intentionally took something that belongs to someone else.
    It is the matter of principle, and a lot of Chinese national don’t practice that, including its government. In fact a lot of none China national Chinese does that, I guess it is in the DNA.

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• Kam on Apr 14, 2011 at 12:05 pm

  Copy this..copy that..they even make fake eggs!! What’s wrong with China nowadays?

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  • Tamiyamudi on Apr 14, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Nothing wrong with the country, it is the people and the China government who doesn’t have moral anymore. As long as there is profit, these nation don’t give a dang. Sad but true, that is why Donal Trump once quoted in CNN news that “Chinese is mean”.

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    • Philip J. Fry on Apr 15, 2011 at 9:27 pm

      Even worse than Donald Trump himself?

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• leonardo on Apr 14, 2011 at 12:14 pm

  He should have known that he could not get away with it. And yes, F is not really a leading automaker anymore.

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• seeonme on Apr 14, 2011 at 12:19 pm

  US always put up some cheap stunts to make China looks bad. But this is not interesting any more.

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• Non Copy Cat on Apr 14, 2011 at 1:43 pm

  China doing waht Japanese use to do and with less smarter way….Keep copycat and one try to be biggest automaker…

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  • Tamiyamudi on Apr 14, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Japan is good at enhancing and iterate but not China.
    China is good at copying and make it less quality, everything is “Good enough”, never takes pride of their products.

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    • Oopus on Apr 14, 2011 at 11:35 pm

      Malaysia is good at buying goods from Japan and China, huh?

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      • Tamiyamudi on Apr 15, 2011 at 10:44 am

        At the very least, Malaysia does pay for it not steal aka “pirate” from it and claims as its own. Anyone who has had experience dealing with Chinese or the Government will know what it is like dealing with this “C nation”

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• amy on Apr 14, 2011 at 2:03 pm

  y copied into external hd?… copy manually all the document into papers laa.. then rebus and drink the water.

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• Joanneshu on Apr 14, 2011 at 2:21 pm

  happened anywhere actually.. he’s just a small fish..

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  • freddie on Apr 14, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    You must be doing that often and also your name sounds Chinese.

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• Kumar san on Apr 14, 2011 at 3:51 pm

  hahahaha..this dude kantoi big time.Cheers.

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• Arumugan on Apr 14, 2011 at 7:02 pm

  Haha US much be worry..very worry, they got so much debt with China and this is just another desperate effort to bring down China, same old same old…..

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• ayamxxx on Apr 14, 2011 at 7:17 pm

  Even Proton copy Lancer is not count, WHY??

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  • squall_shinoda on Apr 14, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    That one is rebadge, not copy laa. Rebadge means reproducing a car model under licence. In China’s case, the copying is done without licence.

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    • Oopus on Apr 14, 2011 at 11:34 pm

      The thing is that Proton is incapable of copying except spend a lot of money in the loyalty payment with a straight face, Chinese counterparts are able to, just like many other succeed worldwide class automanufactures like those from Japan and Korea.

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      • squall_shinoda on Apr 15, 2011 at 1:23 am

        Bodoh. That’s why if Proton wants to use Mitsubishi Lancer design, they have to pay Mitsubishi for the permission. The same goes to Perodua when rebadging Toyota Passo as Myvi and Mira as Viva. That is ethical because they ask permission to use the designs and pay some of their profit in return for allowing them to use the designs. But how about those Chinese auto pirates? They only copy other design and never pay even a cent to the design owners. More shameful, they even claim their copies as their “original” design.

        There is no shortcuts to succeed. All major carmakers (not including the Chinese pirates of course) develop the hard way, with some issues like the financial problems, recalls etc. From them they learn to become better. But how about those pirates…? All they know is to climb to the top spot in auto industry through illegal and unethical shortcuts. It’s like awarding a first-class degree to copycats who copy their friends’ assignments and plagiarize their seniors’ theses. It is a bloody insult to other carmakers who have worked hard to be what they are today.

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        • Oopus on Apr 15, 2011 at 5:49 am

          Bodoh for you not to make out till today that copying in itself is actually a process of learning, while obtaining production permission by making royalty payment on the other hand is a slow suicide for P1 & P2 cuz both of them dont need to make every effort in cultivating their own team and meanwhile unnecessarily cope with the problems from beginning to end which the JV parterner would solve first. In this case, P1 and P2 are just as much as the frogs that are being long term boiled in the warm water can never jump out of the skillet even if they’re alive. The history of JV by P1 and P2 has proven that.

          Things that are exsiting must be reasonable in some way, if their (Chinese) behavior have been in violation of WTO norms or local business law or local intellectual-property law then they are doomed to get sued by others that are copied, if not, then it just told us what the Chinese are doing is legal and follow the rule of the game, understand?

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        • Tamiyamudi on Apr 15, 2011 at 10:54 am

          The fact that the China government does not give a damn, neither comply with any international regulation. This nation always looks for shortcuts and exploit others as much as they could. Especially playing as “victims” and launch propaganda where “Chinese has to show off to the World”? LOL

          Read up the copyright regulation in China then you will know what is going on in this C land! I have been there and done that.

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        • squall_shinoda on Apr 16, 2011 at 12:16 am

          I bet this Cinese auto pirate cybertrooper always skip classes during study years, copy his friends’ assignments, bring along an army of toyols in exams, threaten his lecturers to give A+ for all his subjects, and then plagiarize his seniors’ theses for his final year project. That’s how he gets his first-class Bachelor of Engineering (Piracy Skills) degree in some cap ayam university.

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• squall_shinoda on Apr 14, 2011 at 7:24 pm

  That fella is just an ikan bilis who is responsible for Chinese automotive piracy controversy. The real ikan jerung will be the Chinese government and the taukes of Chinese carmakers.

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• Encik Bala on Apr 14, 2011 at 7:46 pm

  Country like India, Japun, Korea, Singapore….. All have to Kowtow to america, they pay big sum of money for military junk from america. China is with big gut not to Kowtow to america, that is why america always come up with funny action against China. I admire our country not to Kowtow to america. Be your own boss not US slave.

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• squall_shinoda on Apr 14, 2011 at 8:53 pm

  Brothers, looks like there are Chinese auto supporters sending an army of cybertroopers to give thumbs down to Chinese auto industry bashers. What a shame, they never want to admit that copying other carmakers’ designs without paying even a single cent of royalty is a sin equivalent of stealing. Instead, those morons are proud of their copycat industry as a divine struggle to take the top spot of the world’s auto industry.

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  • Oopus on Apr 14, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Very silly comment I’ve ever seen. Look, here is Paultan.org, a professional autoblog full of freedom of speech. If you dont like some comments, just dont read them.

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    • Jason on Apr 15, 2011 at 6:18 pm

      Fully agreed with you, it takes a silly to believe in US’s cheap stunt. When US copy Chinese paper making technology, firework know how, did they pay anything to China?

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      • squall_shinoda on Apr 15, 2011 at 10:03 pm

        Chinese piracy has nothing to do with US stunt or whatsoever. It is the European carmakers who sue Chinese pirates the most. And another thing, the intellectual property laws did not even exist during the time where paper and fireworks were invented. But still, the Europeans and Americans do give credits to Chinese people as inventors of fireworks and “modern” paper. And another correction, paper was actually invented by Egyptians and not Chinese. The only difference was the ancient Egyptian paper was made by papyrus while Chinese paper was made of wood pulp. Oh yes, there’s another thing. The Chinese only knew to use the fireworks to scare ghosts and wild animals; it was the Europeans who developed ways to use fireworks in weaponry. If you’re going to ask such silly questions about the invention of the already-existed items, then I’m going to ask you – is there any mamak stall suing all other mamak stalls for making exactly the same roti canai as his?

        Intellectual property is different. It refers to unique creation by an individual. In the context of automotive industry, all carmakers make cars using the same materials, theories, principles, knowledge and systems. But no two carmakers make exactly the same cars. Their methods, designs, innovations and technologies differ. That is why every car design (as well as other industrial designs) is unique and protected by copyright laws. If you yourself make your own car, you are not stealing. But if you want to copy the design of another car model, then you must ask permission to use that design, which is not for free of course. That is still ethical. But if you copy the entire design without asking for permission, then you are definitely stealing. It is even worse if you claim a design which belongs to other carmaker as your own, because that means you are definitely robbing. Understood pirates?

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        • tamiyamundi on Apr 15, 2011 at 11:43 pm

          totally! +1
          nice!

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        • paper is invented by Chinese on Apr 17, 2011 at 11:15 am

          Go and read your history, before come here and comment, well normally US slave is like that.

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        • mmmmmmm on Apr 17, 2011 at 8:47 pm

          unsafe buildings collapsed, poisoned BABY milk, fake eggs, copycat everything……………this is just recent history……..and no need to go back to earlier one its about the same……….history does repeat itself……….

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        • mmmmmm on Apr 17, 2011 at 9:25 pm

          That is their problem, why so busybody…..Ooops sorry slave normal work extra hard.

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        • squall_shinoda on Apr 18, 2011 at 11:35 am

          It is you who have not read the real history books but only know to read propaganda books. Oh yes, even Wikipedia is blocked in China, which makes that country as “bodoh sombong”. No wonder why Chinese pirates and cybertroopers are nothing more than frogs under the coconut shell.

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      • tamiyamundi on Apr 15, 2011 at 11:17 pm

        It is funny that you brought this up too. In China, very often one would make this statement “China created 5 great things in the world”, this is true and great, everyone in the world acknowledges that and thankful to the invention.

        However, fast forward to 21st century, the West, to be specific, US created the world wide web, did anyone pay the US royalties?Nope. :)
        on the other hand, what has been created by China in this century other than “Cultural Revolution” and propaganda to dump down their people and strong censorship.

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        • squall_shinoda on Apr 16, 2011 at 9:26 am

          There’s another “invention” by People’s Republic of China – The Great Firewall of China. Designed to block YouTube, blogs, every single “anti-China” website, Chinese basher websites, and pro-Dalai Lama websites. Oh, there’s another victim of that ruthless Great Firewall – Google.

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• mmmmmm on Apr 18, 2011 at 12:29 pm

  Woo!!! so many US slaves work so hard here to bodek their boss, impressive.

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• sharif ali on Apr 28, 2011 at 10:58 pm

  My fren tell me when he was in europe studying , when my fren buying CDs from a shop, the shopkeeper saw a chinese man wants to buy CD & he didnt allow it, no wonder.

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