Proton is targeting to boost exports in a bid to stem falling profits due to dwindling local sales, the Business Times reported yesterday.
Despite the recent launches of two highly-anticipated models – the Prevé and the Suprima S – and the Saga SV and Persona SV value-added range, the company sold 138,753 units locally last year, down from the 141,120 the year before. Its share of the Malaysian passenger car market has also declined from 25.6% in 2012 to 24.1%.
Speaking to reporters at the opening of Lotus’ first 4S centre in Beijing, Proton executive chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil claimed that this was caused by stiffer competition from foreign carmakers but also public perception.
“Many urbanites are buying Proton cars as they believe in the product and technology. But still, there are people who say our cars are expensive as they are locally-produced. It is quite impossible to lower car prices with the rising costs of doing business,” said Khamil.
Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products. “Look at the Japanese and how they are supporting their carmakers. Another example is South Korea, which supports local players like Samsung and Daewoo.”
Squeezed out of their breadwinning local market, Khamil said the company is looking to cut costs wherever it can – including the standardising of car spare parts – which would improve its economies of scale, enabling itself to price its cars more competitively.
“Our profits are shrinking with rising costs. For the new Saga SV 1.3, the nett profit is below RM500 and it is shocking,” he added.
On the problem of public perception, Khamil said that the company must produce more value-for-money cars, adding more safety features. “Our latest technology focuses on passenger safety, such as the drop-down engine upon impact from an accident. This lowers the chances of fatality.”
“We have high-level engineers and designers working on Proton cars. Today, we hear fewer complaints about Proton cars.”
Proton is also eyeing its overseas markets to expand, an area which had been rather neglected in past years – while the company is exporting cars to 25 countries worldwide, sales in foreign markets are still below five percent.
In particular, the company is reportedly focusing on its key markets – the United Kingdom, Australia and Egypt. Australia has already received the Suprima S, Prevé and Exora, and plans to introduce new cars to the UK have been in place for some time.
Another avenue to expand the company’s business is in China, where it is currently under a strategic partnership with Youngman. The deal, created in 2007, sees Proton being paid royalties from Youngman in exchange for CamPro engines and CKD kits of the Persona and Gen2 (the Youngman Lotus L3 pictured above).
Proton is planning to build its own cars in the Middle Kingdom soon, according to company advisor Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, riding on the success and growth of its subsidiary Lotus.
“However, to enter the Chinese market, we need to manufacture the cars in China and that will involve huge capital investments. We are looking at partnerships,” the former Prime Minister added.
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I’m sure there are idiots still saying power window failure with their very old saga, perdana, wira etc.
Power window failure WONT happen anymore in proton’s newer models, so for the bashers there, get the fact right. “I’m not a proton supporter but just want to make this fact right”
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3 years is good, and savvy is consider bad car for proton, newer models I mean are exora, neo cps, preve, suprima s, latest persona.
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@Pinky.. please come up with proof, show us ur preve.. then we will believe ur statement
Frankly speaking, seeing this CEO speech makes me hate proton EVEN MORE!!!
Design a great vehicle and MALAYSIAN will buy it then….BLAME MALAYSIAN NOT SUPPORTING OWN PRODUCT is such a child act!
I am sure PROTON WILL CONTINUE TO FALL under THIS LOUSY LEADER!!
Bro kimster, read your sentence already know you’re not supporting Proton.
So he is right.
Then yours is 1 of the 100 unlucky user.
What utter bukllshit. If Toyota Camry 2.5 with 6 airbags can be sold in the US for USD22,000 and yet the US Toyota dealership can still make a lot of untung per car, what bullshit is Proton aka BN telling us?
Somemore you want to export? Hello, all these years, every single market you exported has failed big time. Even in Arab countries where you sell our Malaysian built Proton for half the price (while selling to your own Malaysians double the price), the Proton car has failed.
In Australia, Proton is known to be the most dangerous car ever built. Australians laugh at us. In UK Jeremy Clarkson labelled Proton quality as lower than TRASH. In Europe, the car has failed big time.
So if Proton in the past has failed big time, why even try again? Still using rakyat’s tax payers money and wasting it. Every year government gives our tax payers money in hundreds of million as grants to Proton. All wasted.
Even last month, Proton asked 2 billion. Of course Government sandiwara and said cannot give but we know, quietly, Proton will be given that 2 billion to waste.
How they waste? They waste by putting idiots running showrooms in UK and overseas, how them in posh apartments in London, pay then 5000 pounds sterling (salesman). All our tax payers money. Utterly wasted.
Proton should just close down. Waste the rakyat’s money only. And now, try to bluff everyone you make RM500 per car.
If Proton earn less than RM500 from every Saga SV, then STOP selling it! No one beg Proton to continue burning money. It is taxpayer money, OUR MONEY after all.
You can’t survive the competition, you withdraw. No need stand there talk east talk west talk kock.
He heard less about car problem, simply because Proton is selling less cars now. The quality of J class is still the same! Janganlah syok sendiri.
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Are you Preve owner…and registered as Prevoc member…
Please read the article carefully
“the company sold 138,753 units locally last year, down from the 141,120 the year before. Its share of the Malaysian passenger car market has also declined from 25.6% in 2012 to 24.1%.”
They are selling less and less every year. Not even a car out of 4 new car in 2013 is Proton!
Read the comments below then you see the owner is terrified of Proton car problem. They didn’t go back to Proton SC because they don’t want to get slaughtered.
Less car brought back to Proton SC for repair doesn’t means Proton build quality improves!!! Wake up bro!
Very funny same lor again, first talk about car problem, then talk about build quality. Which one you mean? If you want to talk about build quality it’s been improved, you want to sell milo tin car without VSC at 90k? Even Preve got 6 airbags + ESC now, at 73k only. LOL
For 30 years we rakyat suffer paying high car prices. All because of Proton. Actually car prices the past 30 years have not gone up that much despite inflation. You can see this from the US prices. A Honda Accord 2.4 and Toyota Camry 2.5 2014 model is USD$22,000. Yes, top of the range cars are only about RM60,000. So, this proves, car prices have not really gone up much the past 30 years. We still can be buying a Toyota Corolla or Nissan Sunny brand new for maybe about RM40,000, up from RM20,000 20 years ago.
So, for 30 years, we have been paying super high prices to protect Proton. Proton also gets hundreds of million ringgit in grant every few years from our Government. This is our hard earned tax payers money.
So with all the protectionism and all the suffering every single 30 million Malaysians been paying overpriced cars because Proton needs protection, all they can come up is blame people for not supporting Proton?
But aren’t we ALL “forced” to buy Proton? We all know MITI controls the prices of other car brands and they are told to price it at least 20k above Proton’s prices.
Tak malu ke Proton? Disgusting. 30 million people suffer for the past 30 years and ALL Proton can do is blame the rakyat for no support? Your own CEO is using continental Mat Salleh car. He should be driving ONLY a PERDANA ACCORD.
Go to his house and see all his fancy German cars. Shameless man.
We Malaysians have the right to know. Because for 30 years we have been paying overpriced cars and our tax payers money been given to Proton in the form of grants.
Proton is the ONLY car manufacturer in the world to get so much of privileges and market from the government. Got free market also, still can make RM500 per car?
Disgusting. The problem lies in your bumi crony vendors. They are all cronies who are overcharging Proton. But all these vendors are all Mahathirs buddies. Sell one car Mat also to Proton for RM100. Tan Sri, why are we supporting these idiots?
It is like MAS, the catering company is owned by Badawi. MAS overpays for per head. Works up to RM200 per head for International flight. You think per head, we eat RM200 per head for International flight?
The same with Proton. All supporting the crony bumi vendors for Proton. Overcharging up to 10x the price of each item.
Tan Sri, stop supporting this crony practice, then Proton will make more than RM500 per car. But of course, you cannot do that. You are just a puppet put there by our Government.
Simple logic: Poor build quality = car problems. It is a general FACT Proton has poor build quality, thus the cars are problematic.
Because Proton sold less car, and the car owners don’t bring back their car to SC for repair, so Proton has a perception that the build quality improves. (Sendiri Cakap, Sendiri Syok)
If Proton can’t make a power window right, how can we trust the airbags, VSC will works?
If the airbags, VSC may not work (most probably not), what is the difference with not having one?
I seriously enough of the Proton 4S concept!!
Sendiri Cakap
Sendiri Syok
Sentiasa Rosak
Sales Carnival
So you mean no more power windows issue on these newer model but exchange with other serious problems like CVT box failure?
Actually Savvy is a great little car…just stay away from the AMT version. AMT is like version 1 of DSG…also full of problems.
Giving savvy to measure proton quality is wrong. Savvy was out in production looooong ago.
Proton – Drive It To Rosak It
Dear Proton chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil,
Please tell us why you yourself buy and own benz and camry????? Yet you blamed us not buying proton…
I bet your children too buying german conti car/japanese/korean/whatever instead of driving proton!!!!
What a load of crap!
well said… this question to trow to his face during his speech… CEO of the proton know the true condition of the proton that is the reason he not willing to spend on proton models but forcing others to buy…. even the government not support your own model.. why they request you all to redefine the Honda Accord? TAK RASA MALUKE? HAIZ… BUT YOU ALL STILL REDEFINE IT AS PER THEIR REQUEST JUST FOR MONEY… ASK ITU MAMAK PUNYA ORANG THINK BEFORE ACT OR GIVE SPEECH TO PUBLIC…
Somemore Tan Sri own a luxury car with driver… say us didn’t support own produce… A word from chairman of a leading automotive company in Malaysia???
I wish 1 day can see him drive a saga everyday to meeting and work then I will accept his statement…. talk so big but never do…
FYI, Tan Sri own an Audi and all DRB top management get an Audi. They’re Malaysian and not patriotic as the rest of us.
DRB led by Tan Sri Khamil also are the conpany who have major share on Suzuki, Audi, Honda in Malaysia.
Now they put the blame on us.
Proton adalah mimpi ngeri… kereta paling teruk dari mana-mana kereta yang ada kat dunia ni… cuba korang… say no to proton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! knapa kereta KERAJAAN tukar amik HONDA ACCORD… erm I WONDER Y?!!!!
You own savvy, inspira and vios? Nak kencing pun agak2 la….
Why? It’s common to own three cars now.
“Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he DOES NOT UNDERSTAND why they are not supporting their own products”
With these words, he’s not fit to be the CEO.
He has a Savvy and an Inspira only.
“My Inspira still ownz crappyz 90k VIOS…” means in his opinion the Inspira beats (at something) or better than the Vios.
Go check the meaning of “own” in urban dictionary.
Thanks for explaining to some uneducated people here who can’t understand English. Hehe.
Nak tembak orang tu agak2 la. Cermin diri dulu, basic english pun tak paham. Tak pasal2 buat malu diri sendiri aje.
I tak paham bahasa rojak
Orang macam inilah wujudnya perkataan “bodoh sombong”
dude. back it off! you are embarrassing your teacher. shoot!
You’re my teacher
that is not “bahasa rojak”, the sentence “My Inspira still ownz crappyz 90k VIOS even if i have to change power windows switch every 3 years!!!” is likely a common conversation sentence or with more accurate, it is a slang…the slang is malaysian slang that have been influence by american’s and gamers’ slang….learn your english,do more practices and read more…
i am a salaryman, but the plc i stay, bus service susah sangat, so have no choice but to buy wife a car, son a car and me a car, and 1 spare car (old car cannot get good price to sell ma), so yes, its common to have more than 1 car registered under one name
sama sama – I got 4 cars – 2 new and 2 old junk cannot sell b’coz no resale value.
Inspira is a good car :D Seriously… good car.
Smart guys buy Original Lancer!
smart guys buy inspira.. and then use the extra money to change the bumper ONLY to look like a lancer and STILL have extra to spend on a girl worth spending money.. now, thats smart..
A very smart guy will go for inspira
Inspira modified by Lotus.
…which has no difference but worse NVH than Inspira. Stupid guy buy Lancer
But but but manyak inspira on the road took out the shame thundercat logo and paste diamond there. If the car is superior with so call lotus ride than not so smart lancer they shouldn’t do this what. Such a disgrace the keyboard warrior here talk cock but act different.
That means our people like to be seen rich and flashy, but the truth we’re cheap…
Ya, But Insprira is not of Proton. It’s just rebadge
We the public have given Proton too many chances already and please don’t treat us like a dumb BN fools.
It started off well but fools like him keep coming in and take all the monies away. End up giving craps to the public.
Now expect us to support? Did he forgotten who made Proton No 1 then?
Proton will survive if only all these fools own up and resigned. Including all the ministers children, uncle and aunties that related etc. All can leave, then Proton can be saved. Else, Proton is better off sell to other people and keep quite about it.
Totally agree with u sir. Best of all decent driving can get u almost 600km for approx rm110 Ron 95. (1.8 manual) Not to mention superb handling. My car still original i.e still using proton badge and 16″ tyre. Even though rebadge still proud that it is a proton and a smart choice indeed.
Uhh, my 2.0 Ford Focus with the awful 4-speed auto can do the same, what (handles great too!). Not knocking Proton, here, but Mitsubishi.
But yeah, I’ll take the Inspira over the Lancer any day. Cheaper, handles better, and is actually more comfortable. If I want the Bridgestone Potenzas I can get them anytime I want. Not to mention that you can get big discounts for the Inspira
May i know the fuel economy of inspira?
Problem is proton was putting all its efforts in power window area and neglected others. Like ground clearance too low for gen2… Or the position of charcoal canister right above the exhaust pipe which caused many gen2 caught fire. Or the campro weak low end power.
And why gen2 has only 1 cupholder and no glovebox.
Yes this was 10 years back story but pls look back and study mistakes done in the past
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Your sarcasm is a little bit too much…
also his stupidity is too much
Hahaha …. yeah those are a thing of the past for Proton, now is able top notch quality …..just like we are made to believe VW 7-speed DSG problem is a thing of the past. Get real …. fact is Japanense and Korean cars are improving by leaps and bounds while our “beloved” protected Proton is still fast asleep selling junk to the public. If you are not competitive just close down and assemble cars, what is wrong with that ?
That is reality, if you are truly good and competitive you should the CEO while the not so bright will have to be your worker ! So proton the not so bright should carry the bag of the successful companies ! simple as that
From my point of view, Proton do really have fairly good engineers and designers. Satria GTi and Impian (Waja) even praised by Richard Hammond, Satria Neo wons many WRC championship in S2000 class, Gen.2, Arena and Persona are considered as one of the cleanest and environmentally-friendly cars in Australia.
The problem with Proton is interruption of the F**KING corrupted government in their business. It’s not the people doesn’t want to support local products, but give us a competitive product, people will surely buy it. Proton needs a more efficient business management. Not only engineering-minded staffs, but also arts and marketing. Key to a successful company is a diversified employees. Dear Proton, please do study from the root of your management to find aspects of improvement.
For people who find me like ‘cakap bajet bagus’ and would like to ask me to do it myself instead of talking, I HAVE once applied to Proton and now currently working in a plant under Hicom.
Sincerely,
Average Malaysian who wants to see their local cars succeeds at global level.
To compare to those old days (Waja 2001 model), Proton has gone through leaps and bound to improve its QC. My father in law’s 2008 Persona had reached 200K km without single power window failure, its engine, drivetrain & suspension is still working well without a glitch, and most important feels great to drive.
Newer and modern Protons age gracefully and are more reliable. Too bad that some unlucky buyers who bought lemons, or those who didn’t service it well (causing breakdowns/problems), are swearing and condemning Proton like hell. As if Beemers and Toyotas are perfect with total zero defect manufacturing.
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probably u’re one of the ultimate beggar.. begging for car price reduction.. 0% tax ect.. so that u can own lowest spec toyota vios
hahaha, beli basic spec, lepas tu modify itu ini. tapi jaga tak reti. bila dah kong, salahkan car maker…..
Bought a Saga Flx last year, power window failed after one month.
Who’s the idiot now, idiot.
Get it changed, it might be a lemon unit. It does not just happen to Saga FLX only. One case doesn’t represent the whole picture
I have changed my Preve power window coil, its part of the manufacturer improvement program.
I got saga flx SV. Bought it for few months back not even a year. Went to SC till 20K. I had made a complaint the car failed to start at giant, my workplace even at my home. After they checked said nothing wrong with the car. Suck it.. I went met up my friend, he did a tuning check the computer, found gearbox sensor was giving shit..
And I did my own repair and modification. No more warranty by proton and I no need to go again to PROTON SC..WHAT A RELIEFFFF.. The 25k servicing, I put stop oil into the engine and running good compared to that shitium 800 oil. Next time Proton, try produce cars without warranty.
P1 need to go out fr boleh period..no use to sell high volume oni in one market…
After more than a quarter century still unable to compete outside Boleh-Melayuland. Malaulah. Diam-diam pergi mampus lagi baguslah Proton.
don’t start rasis comment if u don’t want me to start rasis comment
DAPig is here.
Another tak malu. Muka tebal macam kulit ‘ig.
some said the proton gearbox is much more reliable than the vw DSG box, i wonder if it’s nothing but the only truth?
There was never an issue with Proton CVT box, except maybe for NVH and slow clutch mechatronic engagement on older versions.
Tbh, I trust my life more to the old Savvy AMT gearbox. DSG in my aunt’s Passat almost killed her. 2 car spun out avoiding her.
BS! My Suprima S power window changed twice…fortunately got warranty claim
The fact is whenever I get inside proton showroom unit the material feel so cheap but the main factor keep me from buying proton is their engine FC is going to wrong direction as compare to other maker. Want my support? Pls improve in that first.
Don’t call people idiot when you yourself not a genius
It is happening. The problem persists albeit at a lower number… STILL.
I changed my driver side power windows console at RM180 for my 3 years Persona. Who say no more happen? You talking with your ass?
Malaysians for a generation or two have fully supported Proton…apa lagi Proton mau?
What is your basis for saying that power window of the new models will not fail? Even if it is true market perception will not just change, just because you say so. Quality is expensive. Bad quality is much more expensive.
Proton staff here thought they can defend their rice bowl here with all the thumbs up on their own post.
Mana tau, the people overwhelm them. Baru tau langit tinggi mana.
for those who never use Proton just shut up. I respect Proton in the old days when I used my dad’s car Proton Saga. He bought the car in 1989 and I used until last year,2013;24 years of excellent job. But, I bought Persona Elegant last 2 years and in 2nd week of usage, my power window stucked and cannot be use anymore. I have to go to 4 service centres to find the replacement part and took 2 months to settle down the problem. after 3 months, again the same power window jammed and I need to replace with another unit. what a great thing Proton did. then, my back door lock is quite tight and everytime I need to slam the door to make sure it is locked. when I send to Proton shop they say cannot fix that one. same goes to my car boot. cannot use key to open since last 2 years(I’ve tried before until the key twisted).IT STUCKED!!!AND LAST WEEK I WENT TO PROTON SHOP ASKING FOR REPAIR, THEY SAID IT IS BROKEN AND MUST REPLACE WITH NEW KEY FOR THE WHOLE SET THAT WILL COST ME RM3++.WOWWWW!!!THIS IS PROTON!!!EXCELLENT AND GOOD JOB TAN SRI!
APA LAGI PROTON MAU?
Sudah tibai kering duit rakyat, dengan bantuan kerajaan dan cukai, sekarang nak merungut takde orang nak beli.
Baik bungkus Proton saje lah.
Nasib baik, Perodua kereta buatan nasional juga. Lebih berkualiti dan berbaloi. Sekarang satu kampung saya pakai Myvi. Dah hampeh dengan Proton.
Hah ambik kau. Orang kampung pun tahu Proton boleh buang dalam sungai, yang kau ni gaji tinggi, pangkat tinggi pun tak erti ke? Patutlah Proton sekarang tenat.
Yes you are right. T
here will be no more power window failure as they had re-position their design failure in the aircond vents.
Frankly speaking mine is a neo cps and I had bought it due to its compact design and the car handling agility.
It’s new and within a week after receiving my car date all the a/c vents in my neo had broken.
(FYI : nothing was hung on the vent)
Cost to change 1 vent is RM103.58 and now you need to times it with four plus the labour charges for another RM30.
The funny thing is after a week I changed the vents all of them broken again.(Strictly nothing was hung on the vents again)
How’s that happened? I did asked friends who have neo’s and even saga’s owner. Apparently they facing the same problem.
Is this the quality and reliability that we should proud of?
Come on proton.. Make us proud of our product..
if its cost are rising,Thn why its cheaper in other countries?bullshit…people are talking bout quality here mr executive chairman..try to understand public 1st so that we can support malaysian made products
Come’on I’m a Proton Car Supporter. I personally own 2 personas, 1 inspira, 1 exora, 1 gen 2. Personal help 8 friends bought persona. Power window is really a failure in my car. This round is not the internal parts problem but the railing at side hardens and make the window glass stucked till the internal parts broken (mainly plastic )
You say it’s a old saga of the broken power window, think twice. i replace a few sets already for 2007 Persona
I owned 2 Proton Model
and the power is not a problem at all…
2001 Satria GTi (lost in 2011)
2007 Perdana V6 (2011 – present)
*power window
Yea wont happen again but performance fail!
Bro Please,
Selling figures does the talk. If pornton is really good, why not people buying it?? Why dont you go to third country like indonesia and see how is pornton sales figures? I work in jakarta for 6 years, i only saw one or two pornton cars on the road during my daily commute to work (total 2 hours drive daily). Do you know this represent how many %?
Pornton already almost 30 years in this industry, similar like korean car manufacturers. Malaysians do been forced to support local cars, but until now, pornton still performing much worse than korean. Do you know how big is korean car manufacturers? Check wikipedia then you’ll know. You have internet connection right? Mind if i provide you the link?
Talk about pornton car is pricey or not, yes it is. Like C segment, how much Camry sold in oversea? Do you know how much p*rdana replacement model will be sold? Amost 50% higher than camry in oversea for same market segment.
By the way, may I how much you get paid for giving such positive comment? :)
Furthermore, mind if you tell me how many part suppliers for pornton are belong to cronies? Dr M creates pornton without any cronies as suppliers?
dear mr ceo,
please learn how to design the back of a car properly. The suprima back design is hideous and not to mention the name is stupid. The people who designed or approved the design should be fired. This reflect on your sales volume for the model. I can hardly see it in kl
perhaps rebadge jap’s car like Perodua will improve sales volume?
look at all the support Perodua get from rakyat n look at all the fk Perodua that they dont give on producing their own car..
most Malaysia do love rebadge Japanese car
Kamil… i believe you dun own a proton… oso i thinking less than 1% of the kroni is driving a proton (i mean the big big datuk datin upstairs)… if u wan the rakyat to support ur products… set urself as an example 1st!!!
Proton already re-badge Honda Accord for division 1 Gomen servants, They should also re-badge BMW and have Najib forcing all Ministers and deputies use it as official cars.
If the car is reasonably priced, of decent quality and reliale who gives a shit if it is a rebadge.
Australia Proton normally selling 50-60 cars per month only.
Jaguh Global success!!!
last several month this year p1 sold around 100-130 monthly in australia
Jan – 48
Feb – 106
Mar – 123
So what… Are you saying you are proud of those numbers you quoted or you are saying proton can sell better than Ferrari?
can’t u differentiate between giving fact and being proud bozo…I just give number so that he can refer back with his numbers..do u feel I being proud with those numbers? Those puny if compare to toyota in aussie…u the one eho might be proud not me
1. Nowadays, still blaming malaysian not support potong enough?
If we are not supportive, potong already bankrupt few decades already!!!
2. High level designer?
Ask a child who don’t know the car very much, let him/her to choose among these hatchback, Suprima, Focus, Mazda, 308.
3. Impossible to lower car prices with the rising costs of doing business?
Stop the crony then you can reduce the cost already!
Supported Proton for DECADES already, and honestly it’s still crap. I truly wished for it to succeed. Supposed to liberate the market after 20 years from Proton’s inception and look what happened now.
Don’t mention Japan and Korea supporting their products, they actually make proper products and have really made efforts to improve and compete on a global-scale. Meanwhile, Proton just waiting for free hand-outs and always whining when they themselves haven’t improved much and still stuck on “Jaguh Kampung” mentality.
sounds like SpermaS right?
N please redesign Preve rear lamp also. The whole body looks ok already but really hate the rear lamp
Hope a facelift soon with leather seat feature (reverse camera and day time running light is most welcume)…2 years ady n without a simple improvement on seats for preve…come out wif all these useless bodykits feature only..
Suprima’s back were meant to look like Seat Leon and have real diffusers (you can go to Proton official FB to look at their design team drawings) but designers and engineers were forced to reuse Preve doors, frames, and structure to cut RnD costs.
Stupid management team are just too scared to spend money. Sigh.
[Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products.]
Ask yourself, what did WE got from you Proton?! The lousiest quality and the lousiest service! My own Exora CFE gearbox knocked out after 7 months! I’m having problem since towing service until the claiming process. They just like pushing to other party! So, do you think NEED to support you???!!!
He admitted to failing to understand the market’s needs. And to me, looks like he’s blaming the market for his failure. Please don’t bother do business
Mr proton excutive chairman, the company pays u to find out why people dont support ur products, and get the jobs done; they dont pay u to give excuses and blame the consumers. This is indeed a classic example of typical lousy leaders. Dont believe me? Try put Mr. Tony Fernandez in ur position, proton sales will shoot up in 3 to 6 months.
And also, please ask ur self why u hv more continental and japanese cars than proton at ur house, u will get the answer why people dont support ur proton.
Dont put Tony Fernandes or you will be charged separately for the Windows, Tyres, Seats which would come optionally then. You may also be charged Rm1.95 per minute when you call up proton for inquiries.
Hahahahaha!!! That’s so AIRASIA!!
Not everyone, like u will think Tony Fernandez is just a one trick pony. And thats why u r NOT Tony Fernandez. (bcoz the way u think/assume is like a one trick pony)
We support government by buying foreign car and paying a lot of tax! HAH!
Jokes aside, I do not understand why Khamil does not understand either. For me it’s rather simple:
1. Malaysian middle class are smart, does not blindly support anything.
2. 80’s kids probably do well today, able to afford something nice and comfortable and safe for the family. I’m sure they’d go for foreign car unless cash strapped.
3. 90’s kids (like me) grown up being told by parents to “work hard, so you don’t have to buy a Proton next time”. Proton has not done enough to convince them otherwise.
4. Late 90’s/early 2000’s kids, probably just got their license, and I didn’t see any models in the Proton line up that would attract me (if I were 18). Nothing looks cool, nothing looks cute, and definitely nothing that attract boy racers.
Proton’s car still sells no doubt, some budget concious buyers will still consider them, but they have to realize other manufacturers area also trying to grab their share of the pie. Let’s hope the new GSC will be a desirable car.
You mean those who buy Proton do not work hard?
20 years ago my family was struggling to make ends meet. We didn’t starve, but we didn’t have much left for luxuries.
All we could afford are Protons. They remember their younger days when they can afford a Nissan, but no longer do because of the protection Proton gets.
Typical Chinese home education maybe, using fear of poverty to motivate kids to study harder. Something like “If you don’t study hard you’re gonna be a garbage collector” kind of word.
While it is not true, the image of driving a Proton means you didn’t excel in life (insert high expectation asian father meme) kind of stuck you know..
Rubbish talk coming from the CEO. He better go study the countless flawed products of Proton. We have given them close to THREE decades to build good cars with government support to boot and what did they give us? Crap cars which break down and cheap plastics which do not stand the test of time and up to today Proton has gone nowhere and they had to even restructure themselves after a buyout. Look at KIA or Hyundai has done in a span of a few years and where are they now?
Plus the Japanese and Korean cars were well made with good features to boot so naturally their own citizens will buy it. Just try to imagine building a car like a Cerato, I bet we will see more of it on the road, no?
Anyway enough of bashing, I have and will never get a Proton until they make cars as good as a KIA or Honda when we can talk.
And the CEO just hit-ed thumb down on this!
The CEO speaks like sour grapes.
long story short, proton is saying “we’re losing out as jaguh kampung. now let’s try conquer world market!” hahahahhahaha
Well said. I was about to say the same thing. Are there any car companies in the world that dont do well even in their home countries expect to make more profit through exporting? I dont think so lor….
who knows?
They are hinting at the Gomen for more funding so they can ‘attack’ the China market.
Not supporting our products?? Hello!! We have been supporting proton for so many donkey years!! But look at what we get back? Just look at JD power sales and after sales satisfaction index and how poor rating for proton was every year.
Don’t put the blame on Malaysia which was your biggest supporter all these years.
1.3 Saga SV profit rm500 only? Who is doing the cost planning?
Furthermore, please let us know how much profit your parts supplier get.
Who approved such pricing?
When this happen in a business world, customer or CEO get fired?
But this case, it seems the other way round.
whos doing cost planning? the monkeys and chimpanzees, of course.
Can’t be bothered.
I think some one wrote his speech for him.
He forgets that the public today are wiser and much more informed as compared to his days when his skin has less wrinkle and his hair still black.
We all know where the profits has gone to.
We all know there’s this thing call JDM which has better specs and safety equipments. On the other hand our equivalent proton domestic models has less safety specs than export.
We’ve been treated like a third world pariah for supporting them. 2 proton models spanned over a decade and I’ve had enough of dealing with them.
Which led me to conclude that if you’re poor don’t buy proton. The time spent fixing and time spent hunting for parts that’s better than ori is enough to buy a better car.
So tell us Mr CEO how can we be proud of proton and continue to support a company that care less about their customer ?
What is he talking about? Youngman is dead, save for the commercial vehicle division. The deal with Hawtai is also in the ashes. The China men has very simple rule: wanna join the party, bring in some funds and long term commitment. VW in China is at least 30 yrs old. Similar case w GM, Ford et al.
huh?
As a CEO.. How come he didnt know his company is no longer with Youngman And Hwatai ? BUT gave public false hope..
Sad story..huhuhu
Always make me cry..
Personally I think the latest protons not bad, like provide multilink and rear disk brake compare with those 80k+ still provide drum brake and torsion beams.
The concerns are the wind and tires noise need to improve,
Last but not least is the fuel consumption, it is quite bad compare with vtec or fiesta
Yup.. even C-segment Protons are using independent multilink suspension (Altis & Cerato using Torsion beam) with higher tensile steel welding and construction. Every car manufacturer tries hard to reduce costs. Try to look at the new Honda City’s engine intake manifold, its not even metal.
In case of Proton, they took the European approach; high chassis rigidity construction at the expense of interior spaciousness. Those who drove newer Protons (2008 above) will notice that it doesn’t break down & problematic like the old ones. Ride comfort and handling balance is way above the japanese, as the suspension, still working very good at 200,000 km with proper maintenance. The engine & gearbox are also reliable, also with good care. Frankly Proton is not that bad, yet its not that too good either to compete with its similar segment peers. At least (for the average joe) it doesn’t hurt your wallet over the long run like owning a VW with problematic TSI & DSG, while providing similar continental driving pleasure. Not bad for a Malaysian ‘people’s’ car.
I think the problem with Proton is marketing. Their reputation is badly damaged prior to 2008 and didn’t give consumer a good impression. They should do something to convey the messages to the public that they are improving. I’m a Proton Wira user prior to 2008 and till now I never thought of getting another Proton car due to the bad experience.
Proton has no choice, only way to win back our confidence is to gain reputation overseas for we Malaysians are too ‘bruised’ to trust them anymore.
Just when people thought Lotus can uplift Proton’s image back in late 90s, exCEO Tengku Mahaleel nearly destroyed proton through introduction of troublesome models. Syed Zainal tried his very best, but new owner DRB didn’t give him a chance. Pity Malaysians. Syed Zainal was the best ever Proton CEO, and I crossed my fingers if anyone can perform better than him.
Very true statement. I think the CEO from DRB is trying to cover his & his new management team’s weakness by blaming it on the people for not supporting Proton. The first thing DRB did was to fire the whole Syed Zainal’s team when they took over. Big mistake, as i think Syed Zainal did a good job. Too bad… Arrogance speaks louder. This is a consequence of self doing.
They need to at least try to change people’s mindset. One way might be attempting to create a cult car.
It’s almost 10 years since the Satria Neo, why not gave it a last hurrah before they replace/stop it? Use whatever they have now, less R&D needed. Take the existing R3 model, put in the CFE engine, 6 speed manual, under 80k. Call it the GTI or something, 140hp, close enough.
For the replacement model, lighten it, boost engine to 1 bar, make it corner faster. Boy racers are usually young and cash strapped, and does not have enough money for a 140k 208 GTI. When they grow older they might even buy another Proton if they are happy with their Satria Neo.
yup.. ur right, actually proton cars are not that bad.. however, they need to do a lot of work in improving their products especially on the aspect of refinement i.e; the fuel consumption of the engine, the material use for interior, fit/finish & etc.
(Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products) The fact that he says this is telling about his attitude towards Malaysian consumers. Please wake up as Malaysians are not as ignorant & blind as before. Moreover do take note that you’re not the only Malaysian car company so again it’s ignorant that you blindly accuse consumers
It’s simple to understand really. Malaysian car prices are already high, plus long term loans and interest. So buyers mostly cautious over what they’re spending. Mind you a VW Golf only sells at around RM60k internationally. Here for 60k you can only get a MYVI.
This should be able to help you out.
don’t hit at at customers for not supporting u! immature!! we are the customers, money in our hand. We do the decision.
prove your worth and we will eventually support u.
Proton cannot blame the public for having negative perceptions on their brand. Most car owners in Malaysia have owned a Proton before but gave up due to various maintenance issues that made them lose trust in existing Proton models. What’s worse is that our dear CEO is accusing us car buyers for not supporting local brands. Well, we do support local brands, but on top of that we demand for better quality products that will run the daily mill perfectly without burning a hole in our pockets. Koreans support their car brands because, yea Hyundai and Kia are indeed producing great cars and see how well they’re doing internationally. That’s the main reason their people have confidence in Hyundai and Kia.
Reflect on yourself before accusing others, Proton. Yes, your models are inarguably much better than previous ones such as Waja and Perdana, but it’s not our fault for not purchasing, you should do more to make us trust Proton and erase our bad memories on your brand.
“Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products.”
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Hi Tan Sri, firstly, I’m not sure by what reason that public not support your product given the fact that Proton still own a market shares of 24.1% even though it is down a little bit from 25%.
Secondly, even though your product is perfect to the extend that it is better than 1A2B of quality and refinement and pricing, does it mean we as consumer should die die buy your product just because it is good? No way. And looking at your speech it clearly demonstrates that you have done market research but you have not done “Enough” market research and the thing that failed you is you/Proton thought that enough effort has been poured in, however in automotive world constant evolution is required to at least stay competitive, just look at some of the brand i.e. Saab, get wiped out and need other maker to bail out. I hope I will not see Proton bail out by the gahmen some day in the future.
y no profit? wat ur biz team doing? just look at the exhorbitant cost charged by your crony suppliers…have a open market policy for your parts sourcing. don blame the end users (us Malaysians) all the time. stop, look and try to think (which i think u guys dont do often). its not abt going in to work at 9, eat bfat, lunch, t brk and check out. do some work. dont sit and complain. bollocks
LOL…..this Khamil? How can a CEO make statements like this? Shows ignorance, arrogance and incompetence. Suddenly its the malaysian’s duty to make it a success? I believe if the public has a say, the damn company would have been long gone.
“Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products”
Wa support lu, sapa support wa? Dah la RM makin susut. Those that have the means will surely get a better car albeit more expensive. Why? Because your product is sub-par and reliability is far more important. You all can bash me all you like but thats the truth. There’s no sincerity in your product as well. Better spec overseas and shitty specs here. You are improving yes but so are others. YOU NEED TO CATCH UP!
‘Our profits are shrinking with rising costs. For the new Saga SV 1.3, the nett profit is below RM500 and it is shocking,”
Outsource to overseas. Thats the only way. Insisting on mostly local vendors would cause complacency among them and not to mention again sub par quality. Dont complain about about small profit margin. You dont deserve special treatment ok. Either bulk up and do something that we Malaysians can actually be proud of or close down Proton.
It’s due to taxes, and bank’s interest. Furthermore, proton is getting their raw materials locally. They can’t outsource the material frkm different and cheaper factory due to certain policy.. therefore cost increased.
I rmb we used to get 1.88 for Honda many years back, but interest for proton is much higher!
u put the blame on Malaysian for your failure? u build lousy car and u r the rootcause why those stupid jap B-segment selling 80-90k. And we, Malaysian has been suffer for this(buy lousy proton or expensive jap small car) for years. and U cant even come out ur own design of engine, chassis etc. What u do best is just rebadging and claim it’s the pride of Proton….Pui. if u dont know how to build car, dont build. if u dont know how to run a business, go back ur kampong and be ur champion… dont talking c**k here.
dear mr chairman ..there is one word missing from your lengthly speech….QUALITY!!!!!!!!!!!! why cant u admit you need to improve quality for goodness sake when can u understand QUALITY…should we spell it for ya…anyway to revive your business ..sell lotus first and drop all your nonsense model including neo r3 etc its a waste of time..
typical Malaysian mentality, instead of improving themselves, blames others for it.
Despite the company being protect by the government for years, yet fail to fully capture the local market. I think the problem is with your product and not your customers!
Its about time they realised that we, the public, are not stupid and we have plenty of choice now.
So buck up Proton.
When will the Preve(CFE 6MT) will be launching ?
Coming soon, I heard they just send it to nurburgring for testing the handling and Iceland for cold weather test. Be patient please
Lotus (Proton) is the company that not making money but still can sponsor football team ! wtf ?
It’s advertising la stupid. Lotus stop sponsor Norwich FC long long time ago, now we are stepping in F1 already. Baru keluar dari gua Ker?
Dear idiot, u also come out from cave ? they still sponsor Norwich City la. yes it’s advertising but if ur company making lost for many years u need change another method to advertise, nt by pump so much money and it don’t gv u the result.
I lazy want to argue with dumbass who thought he is right, say already but still can’t accept and think he is the one that right. Bodoh
actually Malaysian support Proton car during 90s to mid 2000. When Proton was doing pretty great during that time, instead of improve and move-on, they stay and goyang kaki, that’s the reason why they’re now.
Also, why Malaysian should pay more interest rate for HP when we buy Proton car..?
Pls do not blame Malaysian for a Proton’s failure…
If Goyang Kaki with the same quality, thet is still OK, problem is quality got worse and worse until the users want to puii, sensing the users got sick with them, they only belatedly try to improve..
This is why Malaysia failed in automobile industry. Instead of playing the blame game like the government, why not look at yourself first? Why do you think the Japanese or Koreans buy their own national cars? The simple fact is they are sure and confident of their national cars’ qualities and are even proud of it. Proton? Where is it in terms of quality? Before Preve and Suprima, how many years have the public been fed with Milo tin quality cars? You can’t expect people’s perceptions to change overnight.
And you expect people to believe that you only make RM500 a car? Then the next question is, since profit is so low, why do you still exist? Should just close shop, we feel more comfortable calling Perodua a national car anyway!
hey mr. ceo, this is my answer :
to support a company that
1. enjoy every privilege to grab ‘kepala agong’ of all malaysians
2. making import products price ridiculously high
3. forced malaysians to subsidies for proton to export and sell cheaper in foreign countries
4. but only manage to gain less then RM500
is just plain stupid!!!..
Proton pls settle FC first … Like drinking water lor … Bold oh Bold …
Hit out at the public for not supporting Proton??
The answer is because of crap qualities and lousy after sales service.
Sometimes these big guys when they speak out I wonder if they still have brains left in them.
Do not blame low profits of RM500 for one unit of Saga SV. Blame your crony vendors for charging you high costs for parts.
Jap and Koreans support their products because they always strive to improve. Unlike Proton who is incompetent and has a tendency to sell a particular model for up to 2 decades(Saga, Perdana).
If you want malaysians to support proton, we like most if within warranty period, if anything spoil, we can get 1 on 1 exchange for a new car. like Apple.
With all due respect, I think the comments here as well as the CEO missed the point here.
Ever since the first saga came out in 1985, Proton had 29 years of Protection from the government in order to “get up running and be competitive with foreign car makers”.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think any other country in the world interferes in the market to such an extent (AP policy, import tariffs…etc) that gives advantage to only 1 or two local companies.
In the end, Protectionism only made Proton so fat until it cannot take care of itself. Khamil you say we Malaysians don’t support you, as if 24.1% of market share isn’t enough to qualify you and Perodua (30%) to be the two big oligopoly players in Malaysia.
30 Years of history and the best Proton could came up was Suprima S and Inspira. How pathetic, no wonder South Koreans support their Ceratos, Optima, Veloster, I30s… The products do speak for themselves.
Funny you should bring up the Koreans – they’re even more protective of their car market than Malaysians (at least here in Malaysia you can still buy foreign cars).
KIA & Hyundai took more than 30 years to get to where they are now. Don’t forget that when Proton was just set up Hyundai was already designing their own car (badly I might add). They were assembling cars much earlier than that. In comparison to them, Proton is still a rookie when it comes to car design from the ground up – they were assembling cars for the first 20 years of existence.
When will Malaysians learn the simple principle of economics – a country’s standard of living depends on its ability to produce goods/services. From the ground Your typical Malaysians nowadays only wants to consume rather than actually participating in production & therein lies part of the economic malaise that’s hitting the country nowadays. There’s no drive to actually build something that can be of a world standard. If a Malaysian was at the forefront of the Industrial Revolution nothing would happen!
Give up – that’s the typical Malaysian trait. No wonder the country’s in the shitter.
Yes I brought up South Koreans just as to correlate to what Khamil pointed out on the Japanese and South Koreans. But frankly, I would argue the age of the company doesn’t matter because the technological revolution of the 90’s would give a level playing field to Proton because the access to information would be available to any manufacturer.
The point is, Korean car makers had intense competition from the Japanese since their birth. Kia nearly went bankrupt in 1997 but was acquired by Hyundai. Did the age & experience of South Korea’s oldest car company help? Maybe, but they definitely did not have the helping hand of the government like Proton does.
The conditions that Proton started out at was highly advantageous and the support from government was immense. No other car company had the privilege of the market being skewed directly to their own benefits. Barriers were suddenly formed for foreign car makers which subsequently drove out Audi and Ford if I remember correctly. Only Volvo stayed behind limping for 3 decades until recently they had a minor breakthrough with S60 and V40 models.
Proton simply did not take advantage of these benefits and grew arrogant over the years. Such a big disappointment ’cause I remember I was once so proud and admired the Satria GTI and Perdana V6…
I fully disagree with your statement about Malaysians being lackadaisical about production. Just as DRB Hicom are assembling Mercedes locally, we already have all the necessary skills and infrastructure to do a good job in the car industry (Don’t get me started on the whole car-designing vs assembling issue). In fact, Malaysia could’ve become the “Second Detroit” outside of USA if it wasn’t because of the Protectionism.
Too many opportunities have been lost and too long have we waited for Proton to “Grow up”. I think foreign car makers are getting better at beating Proton at their own turf, and all Proton can do is whine all day…
Touché, my good man. Bravo.
Bull.. All markets protect their local player. Korea, Japan even Australia, until they decided to sell their beef to Japan in return of Japanese imported cars..
The point is, the local players make hay while the sun shined to wean themselves off the protectionism. Proton was like zoned out for the whole 30 years.
If you wanna talk economics, there is also this economic theory of comparative advantage – i.e. you produce what you have a comparative advantage for. Which is why Malaysia is tops in palm oil, electronics and previously rubber and tin too, to name a few. You don’t waste investments on things that you are never gonna be able to produce with a comparative advantage i.e. motorcars in the case of Malaysia where it’s clearly more cost effective to simply import the whole darn thing from countries who have the comparative advantage and able to make them at half our cost, or less. So there is nothing wrong in not producing everything you need, talking about economics.
Do not forget the product cycles of Korean models are at most 2-3 years so that the users won’t get stale.
“Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products. “Look at the Japanese and how they are supporting their carmakers. Another example is South Korea, which supports local players like Samsung and Daewoo.”
Fact he has forgotten, Malaysians did support Proton in its infancy from the mid 80s. Malaysians have been taken for a ride. We were saddled with poorly built cars loaded with useless “government approved” accessories like stupid stickers that cost over $100. All of us have been burnt as ex-Proton owners.
Like they say, Karma is a bitch.
I do not doubt that the Saga SVs are a low profit margin car. Instead of blaming consumers, as Chairman, you have to see what you are making so little profit. Are your gravy train vendors charging you too much? So you claim that you make only 500 but the government takes over 10K in taxes. Why don’t you start barking up the correct tree?
Start running the company like a real business instead of a crony lifeline. Still got the nerve to tell us you only make 500.00 per Saga SV. Your costing is all down the drain. Your efficiency is probably in the gutter as well.
take the politics and arrogant attitude out of proton, and really come up with cars with great value that the market loves, and we will see improvement of public acceptance,
the Saga SV has a very low profit margin, but why they stop producing Saga FLX Standard and Premium (according to one of my friends who works as a sales in Proton Edar)?? And there are people who are willing to fork out more cash to buy the Premium variant, but why Proton stop producing it and force all the people to buy SV instead? Even my friend was shocked by that decision. And now start to complain about low profit margin….excuse me, maybe before you complain you should question your decision-makers first!!
Don’t blame on the market acceptance when it clearly is your fault that you come up with a model with such a low profit margin. What have all those cost-assessing staffs been doing?? What have all the executives been doing?? How can you approve of a project that can’t even bring profit to your company in the first place??
I think I like Proton cars, just really cannot stand the attitude of the people working there sometimes.
Government should reconsider scrap car above 10years old, increase tax for imported car or maybe just banned sales of imported car, close down Perodua as it’s a Toyota in disguise.
This is only way to help Proton.
Maybe they can implement buy 2 Proton only entitled bro buy a Germany car, 1 Proton for Japanese or Korean car
Think simple solution is for Proton to get a new advisor than the present dinosaur….
“We have high-level engineers and designers working on Proton cars. Today, we hear fewer complaints about Proton cars.”
But still rebadge Accordana!
OK blame Perodua for rebadge too.
Nothing else to blame, go blame Perodua lah! LOSER PROTON!
tipu laaa rm500 je profit..propa je lebih nak raih simpati
Profit profit margin less than RM 500 per car!
Cronies profit margin more than RM 5,000 per car!
Buyer have to pay more than extra RM 10,000! With lousy quality and bad service!
Proton do improves in their product. Firstly they improved the ride & handling, then quality & safety. My Saga FLX involved in an accident head on with Nissan Almera… both car equally damaged (total lost) but the passenger cabin still intact! Gratefully, me & family only had minor injury… same as Almera’s passenger. So i think if they can built that competetive product we as Malaysian should support & be proud of it!
“Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products.”
We rakyat already support you 30 years!
Apa lagi Proton mau? Support you another 30 years? Poddahhh
Sick and tired of your nonsense!
Close shop kalau tak pandai bikin bisness!!!
Please be grateful, if without Proton your family would just using motorcycle to travel around. Probably you won’t live until today as you already run over by lorry if without Proton.
Wow Proton, hard to comment as fanboys and basher are countless in the comments and I prefer ,or try to stand in the middle ground.
Proton’s export sales revanue contributed to less than 5% of total sales revanue. Its bad to the point it deserve a sympathy. Proton most succesful market is Thailand from what I gather, and in 2013 they move out 697 cars in the land of smiles. In comparison to 3305 of 2012 and 5530 in 2010 and those sales are achieved without the rather competitive Preve and Suprima S in.
I believe thats the extand of how much we can support a local company. In Japan, people support their local brand because of tax reason, affording a car in Japan is not as easy as some thinks, and a majority ccan only go as far as a Kei car and a kei car are exclsuively manufectured by japanese manufecturers. Korea is ,if I am not mistaken, also car market is controlled by law until very recently. It is also due to political and financial reasons in Korea as the only other car sold is Japanese at the time ,European/American cars are waaay out of a typical Korean’s financial capabilities in the 70s, a country. Both country are also recovering from a war, so support can be given almost exclusive to their cheap local cars. In comparison, America and Europe dont support of their local brands to outright loyalty. Most European cars and in particularly British car manufecturers are dead(or no longer British) US cars no long stand on top of sales even in the US.
Than we come to said technology, the Preve is critisized by foreign commenters of the effieciency…or the lack of it that the engine can produce, in comparison the Peugeout’s ,BMW’s and even Ford’s unit of a similar capacity. Foreign cars are supported by its people knowing that their cars can compete with what the world can offer. If for an example Korea makes PoS, something similar if not worse than Proton’s current quality, you think the general population of S.Korea will buy their cars now? No, they would flock to BMW or and foreign brands with their current income, if tax still goes unregulated.
We have given Proton 30 years to improve, thats 10 less than Honda, 15 less than Hyundai, both very succesful companies, and thats a time we thought we would see Proton being sold in all major markets, with technology to stand equal in the world, to compete in motorpsort. We didn’t get that. And in the years of nothing but bold words but half the achievement, we grew tired of supporting, waiting for our income to grow, waiting to leave the Proton bandwagon. Your price of manufecturing IS expensive Proton. Cut ouut all the expensive tax on foreign cars and equal the playing field to that of USA or Autralia and we get a car thats priced ccomparitively high with questionable quality, right out of your shoowroom. If Civics, Ceratos and Altis were to be brought down to the Preve’s price, if the Picanto, i10 and Mirage were to be brought down to the Saga price(which it well can) What do you think a sane person will buy?
I do not hate Proton, I have two in the house before and they are responsible for most of my chilhood. They were reliable, but when its time to move on, its time to move on, and Preve aside, most Proton cars struggle to look better in terms of quality than my now-departed Wira or even my Saga. Proton’s failure lies in its managementm, its over nasionalisation and lack of definitive dreams and strong leader.
30 years old still hisap botol susu and wear pampers?
Something is wrong there man…………
Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products. “Look at the Japanese and how they are supporting their carmakers. Another example is South Korea, which supports local players like Samsung and Daewoo.”
I laugh. No wonder you can’t make profit. It is your job to find out the factor why we opt for other brand instead of Proton. Hmm… I do not think you will make profit eventually, because from your statement, it seems like instead of finding the reason / working on the improvement, you are putting the blame on us.
How to support Proton? My new one month old Preve has been in out proton workshop 6 times already, and still have two more items to replace. Replaced new parts damaged another parts. Damn, should not buy it given them a second chance just because of 5 star Ancap. Quality maybe comparable with some chinese car 10 years back. From the car itself, can tell many design flaws and lousy engineering practice.
they also should improve their after sale service.
“Biasalah kereta Proton”
“Hantar 8 pagi, esok siap. 1 malam tidur workshop. OK encik?”
“Replacement car? Ape benda tu?”
Hahaha that replacement car joke i think i heard somewhere, actually it’s happening in proton SC
We have two Neo CPS. Both were bought at the same time. One manual and the other is auto-tranny.
Manual problems since owning from Day 1:
ABS module leaking since Day 1.
Damaged paint job inside engine bay and under carriage due to brake fluid.
POWER WINDOWS FOR GOD SAKE.
Poor paint job finishing.
Over-fender are not aligned.
Squeaking brakes.
Dashboard squeaking.
Radio malfunction; both the player and the coverage.
Engine leaking, from the head gasket. Changed, stil the same.
Mileage: 60k km with all the problems.
Auto problems since owning from Day 1:
When receiving the car, all the plastic tiny bits in the car are NOT THERE (Handbrake cover, door lock plastic bit, seat recliner plastic bit, etc)
POWER WINDOWS FOR GOD SAKE.
Poor paint job finishing.
Over-fender are not aligned.
Squeaking brakes.
Dashboard squeaking.
Radio malfunction; both the player and the coverage.
Rattling sound from the engine. Something about the VIM issue. Claim new one, still the same.
Auto cruise not functioning.
ABS warning light.
Fuel consumption is bad.
Bearing at wheels are out after less than 2years!
Mileage : 50k km now with all the problems.
AMAZING PROTONG. We definitely will NOT consider Proton after this. Bullshit price tag with bad quality and performance.
wah u so rich ar buy 2 of the same car but different transmission…
and twice the headache too!
Proton sucks booo
Mr khamil.. im one of the persona 2010 owner. Personally Im happy with my car performance. But there are few things to be improved.
1. Interior design and the fitting quality. The look and the finish quality is not great.
2. Better Fuel consumption.
3. Put more safety features.
4. Get rid of the tyre noise and brake noise. Its really annoying.
5. Marketting and exterior design.
Above all. Proton has improved a lot !
Dont know whether to laugh or cry at your comment. What you listed is all that i look for in a car except point no.5. Like that also consider improve a lot arr!!!!!
En. Khamil, i will give you my money if
1. The car interior and exterior looks ok enough already. We not buying high end luxury car.
2. Make sure everything fits and assembled properly. The kriuk kriuk ting ting noises coming from god knows where can drive one mad.
3. Normal engine mated to normal 5 speed auto tranny enough already. Old tech never mind, must be reliable. No need dsg/cvt/turbo etc. More high tech, more expensive, more headaches.
4. Fuel consumption 11km/l also never mind. What i save buying national car, i pay little bit more for petrol.
5. Safety features must have. This one cannot cut. For this i will pay.
Think En. Khamil, why Myvi sell so well? Normal old tech car only mah!
need to improve on litterraly everything
Less than RM500? OMG, you are not born to do business. Better close shop la. Ada hati nak buat kereta.
In fact the bunch of clowns does not have ability to do anything, except syok sendiri, can get no 1.
to put this as nutshell, Proton still not learn from mistakes and put blaming finger to Malaysian not support local product…
However RM500 net profit is totally nonsense or if this is true, this is not call business. Even selling Galaxy S5 can get more profit than this
@Momo
Don’t bullshit, a brand new S5 sold from Samsung authorized retailer can barely earn more than RM 200 or even 150 by selling the phone itself only.
Yes, earning less than RM 500 for a Saga really sounds non-sense. Proton makes its local selling price that’s higher than any other foreign country eh, how do you want us to support? On the other hand, perhaps , just saying, the profit Mr. Khamil meant is his commission per unit sold lolololol…
I agreed…if can get RM500 from Selling S5..wahlau…i also wanna do.
But earning RM500 from a SAGA is rubbish…either they don’t know how to do business or the crony songlap too powerful.
Aiya i means Samsung lah not retailer bro….
Its called competition. Everybody has to deal with it. Perodua also has to compete, mind you. This is a business where people spend their hard earned money to buy a car (and car prices here are not exactly cheap). Its not a charity. People will buy whats best for their money.
“Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public..”
I think the whole Malaysia wants to hit him for distorting the auto industry.
Hire Perodua boys to whack him!
Why whack him? Perodua boys like him so much…. of course like him continue to lead Proton.
<500? this is the most sohai statement i've ever heard.
Who told you to bring down the price? We want the tax to be reduce… tax is killing the auto industry
Please improve the quality of the vehicles in term of design and the material use in the vehicles!!! and also not to forget about after sales service!!
provide 5 yrs free service and warranty.
Perhaps than we will be supporting.
If proton does not settle the real problem from the inside then it will have no future. Sub standard parts, high purchase cost, low standard expert …… I guess starting from here will be a good idea. Proton already have all the good stuff to restart right. If proton do well, it will bring good to the people. More job more money. I really hope it can do well in the future and make us proud.
Proton only know to buy model from Mitsubishi and Honda..
That y no people want to support. Others words, ciplak barang..
Malu la nak bawak kreta tu.. rebranding..
Malu le..
Barang x laku salahkan Malaysian. We already support long enough..
Is time we deserve better car.
Enough is enough..
Proton better sell to other manufacturing or close shop.
Enough bleeding our money..
If Proton’s engineers and designers are so good,
1. Why did Proton need Accord Perdana?
2. Why government officials (federal & states) are also not supporting Proton?
Look at what car Khamil and all the top management of DRB Hicom using..If the staff of the company also not using Proton, how can u blame Malaysian?
My suggestion is all the company cars of DRB Hicom, and its subsidiaries should change to Procordna then it may help to gain public confident. This including the car of Chairman, CEO, COO, CFO and top management car, no more BMW or Merc or Lexus…Only Procordna. haha think also feel excited , couldn’t wait to see Khamil sitting in Procordna everyday…
1: Govt wants Accord, incidentally Proton has partnership with Honda. So Honda abd Honda built 8th gen Accords (with Proton-Lotus suspension, Proton redesign in some problematic parts) in Honda factory for the govt, and gave the design of Accord 8th gen platform to Proton. Proton can use ONLY the platform to build the totally different upcoming ‘public Perdana’.
2: Proton is no longer owned by govt. So govt dun care. But Proton still can get RnD grant (just like any other engineering company/agency in Malaysia). If you want to build new kapcai bikes for commercial, you also can get RnD grant. Pay govt back if it doesn’t work.
whoops typo. “Honda and Proton”
bring back dato syed zainal please
I worked for company that do the marking process for Proton Gen2, Savvy etc. When the part reach our company, it is number 5th hand. Means, the part cost a lot to go through such a stupid chain to protect all the cronies/saudara mara. So Proton can’t make money and Rakyat have to pay the difference, but their cronis are laughing all the way to the bank annually. Who are the looser, Proton or Rakyat?
This’s true. Proton exists not because of earning money in the 1st place. It exists to create (false) pride, maruah, help bumiputera … etc. anything but not real business.
Back in 80s i’m sure Mahathir thought sky rocketing price cars will benefit proton. Now he realized that all his ideas is for short term only
Proton pls die so we can have cheaper imported cars.
I know how to fix Proton!
1. Give 10 Years car warranty. All parts. Free labour charge too!
2. Give 10 Years free service. Parts and Labour charge too!
3. Hire world class designer Chris Bangle as Proton chief designer!
4. Kick out entire Kronies vendors faulty parts suppliers!
5. In less than 5 years, Proton surely become the BMW of Asia!!! Yahuuu!!! (Tepuk tangan lah sikit oi!!!)
10 years warranty? You want to spend all your annual leaves at the service centre?
Hire world class designer? Who’s gonna pay? After they ask RM 3 bil from Rakyat’s coffer how? And you think the clowns there will listen to him and insist to put a Wau or batik motif to the design.
Boy oh boy ! CEO of a Co. blaming the consumers for not buying their
products. Similarly, British public should be blamed for not supporting Lotus car….Right ??? Malaysia Bolih !!!…..
It’s easy to proof our Proton cars are good, drive them from Singapore to Istanbul…If still in one piece, no one will argue about Proton cars’ quality…
That’s why. Asking the public how much do they know about car.
You should ask your self how much do you know about auto industry first.
can’t force all people buy proton, but force proton do continual improvement toward customer satisfaction. this is 1st priority, also value for money.
i think proton car isn’t too bad now, but people always looking for better and better.
I don’t hate any cars from Proton but I think Proton really need to improve in terms of quality control and design wise.
I would definitely buy a proton car if they can produce one with 1.8-2.0L RWD coupe/sedan that looks alright and realiable
less than rm500 is plain bull……………
RM500 profits only?
Ini macam bila hutang Lotus RM1 Billion mau habis bayar…????
Kalau tiada untung, kita bina untung!
Mr CEO says :” look at how japanese & koreans support their own products.”…and now we Rakyat want to tell u :” look at their product’s quality & innovation!!!”…after 30years still giving lots of excuses haizzz…bear in mind that korean only starts to make cars few yrs earlier thn msia bt look whr r they now..
My family have owned proton saga megavavle,wira,satria neo,gen 2 and now proton saga flx mt. My flx is the worse proton ever own.bad FC,gear hard to engage, engine hard to start,clock not accurate and noise from the brake in morning. Proton where got improve?.just resign lah ceo if you cannot perform.dont blame the rakyat,we suffer buying your car.
Kalau proton jual murah kat United Arab Emirates RM26647.59, mmg lah rugi. http://www.protoncars.ae/news/
Bro, belaja dulu struktur cukai UAE. Spatutnya Saga tu belas ribu je. Tu kira jual mahal tu
Bottom-line is, people who are shopping for a Proton are most likely cross-shopping and comparing against Perodua since they are both at the same price point. Stop making excuses and blaming the foreign brands which are already at a big disadvantage because of the tax/levy. The government is already helping you a lot. At the price range, people would rather buy a Myvi or even a used Vios or City. Start making compelling products that people want and your sales will go up.
“We have high-level engineers and designers working on Proton cars. Today, we hear fewer complaints about Proton cars.”
oic….that’s why Peroton can produce Perdanacondda. just cut & paste enginers…
Mr Chairman..Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil…is that the best you can do? Blaming the rakyat for not supporting Proton??…We will support if Proton start producing new quality models rather than having the same models offered for the past few years…Please..do not rebrand other models as a Proton…we are tired of this trick…by now Proton should be able to introduce at least 3 or 4 completely new models not just for Malaysian but for the world…PROTON is in its 29th year and that is a good reason why we should not be left far behind…
jaclyn victor is malaysian idol. Encik khamil is malaysian BIG SOHAI?
is tai lan so hai..means no ubat can cure already… the next step is follow previous cow do things.. unable to think properly..
Why Malaysians don’t support proton?
Cause of the quality and added taxes. Why pay so much for a shitty quality proton? Service oso shit and spare parts too. I rather spend more on a Toyota/Honda for reliability and quality.
Why Malaysians don’t support proton?
Cause of the quality and added taxes. Why pay so much for a shitty quality proton? Service oso shit and spare parts too. I rather spend more on a Toyota/Honda for reliability and quality.
Mr chairman…sy x suka kata2 kat sini…
Lebih baik bersua muka dgn pelanggan x puas hati mcm kami…
Sy bg contoh : after sale servis…
Dr M is an idiot. He only live in his own world. Enough said.
Sigh…rakyat jugak dipersalahkan.
Not automotive related, but its related to how the local and foreigners view consumer products. Old article but somewhat has its points.
http://kotaku.com/5960411/how-sony-is-turning-into-a-ghost-in-japan-and-around-the-world
Fella is mad or what….
Not that we don’t want to support our own products. The Koreans were not that supportive of Hyundai and Samsung when they were making crappy products too. But the difference is, Hyundai and Samsung improved by leaps and bounds, where else Proton has remained somewhat stagnant. Campro needs replacement, build quality is only so-so on the Preve, shocking(ly disappointing) on the Suprima I saw at the dealer during launch with loose interior trim and all….
Go and sit in the Kia Cerato. And then sit in the Preve. And you tell me, is the Preve a match for the Cerato’s quality? I won’t mind trading a turbo engine for some good quality and thoughtful design.
Ur design is ugly, quality is low, technology is outdated, handling is poor, price is high, i rather ride modenas jaguh….
you want people to ppl to support u?? then give them the good stuff, my frens 2 months old (2k km mileage now) persona wiper alrdy making squeaky noise, brake pad making noise also since the first day, the key couldn’t open the boot, but if u’re lucky, sometimes it can, but mostly it failed….
Khamil must blame the British buyers for not buying much Lotus cars also. Stop buying Aston Martin, Jaguar, Ferrari, Porsche ok!!!
Proton Sucks!
Malaysian are buying perodua car as well so why would he say we are not supporting local.
Why don’t proton find its problem blame the consumer. They should carry survey and work internally why they are not making ending profit and how they should improve profit.
Blaming consumer is just prove they are a not working hard enough .
it is simple yet proton dont want to entertain complaint. my saga fl, not even a year, the faulty came from the engine. engine stopped instantly, without warning on a downhill, lucky no one around, so there’s no accident with other people, but yet my car bump on a tree before it stopped. so much complaint, report i made to proton, n none on them come with feedback. may be on sales it’s good, but not after sales, customer service so terrible. and, proton still question? ya, your product is not good, so just admit, simple.
Local Proton selling price is much more expensive than oversea proton, some more quality terrible poor. The design also out of market trend. Why not asked all the government servant included Minister drive proton instead of using oversea car.
Why was Saga, Iswara and lastly Wira was one of the best sellers on those days? What happened to all those after that? one word Quality! since then its degrading and could not catch people trust! How would you expect to get profit on this? I remember once Perodua Kancil was out and ppl complained that its light and too small, but it was dependent, people buy it till today!
Well. I have a proton persona. Year 2013. still have cosmetics issues like door rubber window rubber. Door hinge. Gearbox got delay. Not really eco. Proton should increase quality and for sure they service.
Proton should fire this CEO fisrt, if want to improve their management. Reduce the tax of foreign car, compete with foreign car maker in the equal and healthy field . If not, Proton never grow up.Just like US President Obama said ‘ all Malaysian should have a equal chances not just for certain race or religion in a country,if not Malaysia will never strong and grow up.’ What a great speech, that is why US have a black people president in a white man country.
We are Malaysian with different colour on outside, but inside are the same. We all love Malaysia. Just some politician playing racialism to gain benefit for themself.
Wake up Malaysian, fight for your future if you want to stand in this world.
Foreign cars in Korean and Japan has been increasing all over the years. If you watch Korean drama, all the stars are driving a foreign brand such as Audi, Infiniti, BMW or Benz. In Japan, I saw that Malaysia has imported plenty of recond European cars from Japan… It is no funny that Malaysia does not support Proton. This is the market trend!
So economies of scale being poor is not due to poor business planning? CEO thinks that making newer versions passenger cars without the leverage of economies of scale to drive exports, competing against passenger model giants are going to help?
No wonder proton is being driven to a corner.
Solution:
Shouldn’t proton be looking at niche markets where they can be more competitive with lower sales volume? Why not leverage lotus R & D and make exclusive sports cars. where competition is less? P1 already have a motorsports division to promote a future proton sports car. Why must be passenger market, where profits are low and model cycle is yearly?
Don’t blame poor planning on customers. You aren’t going to get more customers that way.
Simply bashing the buyer wont solve the problem….buyers dont think its worth their money so they dont buy it..if its worth the money..surely everyone opt for their product..improve n prove it that the product is worth it..design side..almost improving but..suddenly rebadge of lancer to inspira n accord to perdana..??? After sales which is quite poor for proton..parts which is ridiculous in price..labours as well…if they want comments..there’s a lot..good n bad..dont simply blame the buyer just because ur not making profit..even ur sv package also is not that valuable..cars produce in the country..resource in the country..the price??
“We have high-level engineers and designers working on Proton cars. Today, we hear fewer complaints about Proton cars.”
Eh betul ke tan sri? Kenapa masih hire consultants untuk buat kerja ye?
Typical Malaysian leader. When plane lost, blame the plane maker. When car can not sell, blame people don’t appreciate. When lost in election, blame racist. I don’t know, may be Japan/Korea/US and all other countries have no time to think of how to blame as they don’t even have enough time to think how to improve.
“We have high-level engineers and designers working on Proton cars. Today, we hear fewer complaints about Proton cars.”
Eh betul ke tan sri? Saya dengar proton hire consultants untuk buat kerja r&d…
Proton should be on their knees thanking the Malaysian public for sacrificing their hard earned money to support proton by paying higher taxes for cars of other makes. This idiot of a chairman should be bowing and apologizing for not being able to produce a good enough car despite all the advantages given to them.
Now, the foreign car makers like honda, toyota, volkswagen has created higher quality alternatives in the same price realm as proton’s products. Why should we spend our hard earned money to buy an inferior product?
Apa lagi proton mahu?
Like that also don’t understand. The end soon.
kata local car.. but price just slightly reduced compared to japanese car maker. after sales service proton pun adoi…… teruk..
i believe people mostly dislike proton becoz of the poor after market service.this one really need to improve.
Is like what we asking: why the Proton giving better deal to foreign country but not local? Really does not understand even local company are not benefit to local , how they expect for our support?
Malaysian local designer would happy to make the change.
Kalau nak suruh rakyat yg berbilang kaum ini memakai dan menyukai Proton, suruh dulu top level DRB menukarkan kenderaan rasmi mereka dari Audi ke Proton dan suruh menteri menteri Malaysia menggunakan kembali kereta proton yg betul, bukannya kereta Honda yg di tukar lambang Proton
because it is the quality and the design. if you can come up with a good design which have a good quality, people will go fo it.
I think its better for proton to face a power window failure, rather than facing a DSG gearbox problem in volkswagen.
I have been driving a proton car since 1996. I still drive one because company car. For almost 18 years on Proton saga, iswara, wira, waja, persona and now exora.
I really dont know what to say but I dont think the top management in Proton or DRB is driving a proton car anyway.
The car dont create break down but many other problem such as wind noise after few year, air con tick sound, dash board shaking, windows hay wire and some break or light not functioning properly. Small problem that should not have happened.
Due to company car, I have services in proton workshop, the people there after listen to my complaint, they say buy a Japanese car if I can afford and dont complaint if I buy proton.
So support proton brand? I think Proton still have long way or the end is nearer.
Dear Proton, please fire this idiot as he is bringing a bad name to your “already bad named” company. You need people like Datuk zainal abidin or Tony Fernández in your team. Not people who blames the public.. I hope my message is being brought out loud and clear..
Insights for Proton:
1. Build cars with quality, that will gradually improve the consumers perception.
2. Build car models based on consumers’demand & trends, not based on Proton “limited ability” to build and not able to turn into sales
3. Price it with value and uptodate features
4. Improve customer service
5. Don’t take customers for granted as you can’t force them to buy nor ask them to loyal to your brand
6. Invest on R&D and marketing
My Super Value worth of thoughts.
No Offense! As a buyer/customer, we emphasized on the VALUE of a product we buy. It must has worth for our usage. Please define value on life cycle context. Google search if you are not sure.
Dear CEO..
A few questions for you..
1. Are you a proud owner of proton?which model is it?
2. Do you drive your proton to work daily?
3. Did you send your proton for service at your authorised workshop?
4. How many of your staff is a proud owner of proton?
Thank you..
Although proton is a cursed brand, still i find their models such as the Persona to be really good.. Not perfect though but it drives better than a lot of cars out there.. It’s already 7 years old and so far no major problems yet.
Proton staffs also driving Myvi to work. So sad!!!
Ok go ahead flame me down.
ni bos proton pakai ke tidak kete proton? overall mmg ok tapi barang2 kecik2 tu tak tahan. oil cap patah, getah pintu 5-6 kali tukar asyik tercabut. kasi tukar la vendor2 tu…
If this CEO still relying on local market to success then too bad. From what I see ppl still buy because is cheap. In fact not really cheap also. Since this is crony company why not you work with Jib Ko to reduce the tax and make preve and suprima S less than 50K
Proton sells lemons, not cars.
I’m a wireman…i make way more profit per day than this Proton selling their Saga sv! Better close shop and look for new ceo, preferably somebody with business brain.
daewoo has been dead for almost ten years, and he still mentions then. genius sial
Luckily he didn’t mention Ssangyong brand. Ugliest Korean car ever. I think Ssangyong and Proton Savvy share the same designer!
Proton chief, if you are reading this, please change your marketing strategy. Instead of trying very hard to acquire a lot of things, try to perfect some simple things. I think you know what I mean.. Good luck Proton.. I will give my support until the end!
Proton chairman Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil says he does not understand why the Malaysian buying public is not supporting its own products. > Maybe that’s because u bumped up the tax for foreign cars in order to sell yours in the first place. Now consumer realised they rather pay the extra to buy better quality cars, is that their fault?
Please don’t ever blame the public. If you can’t manage the company please resign. You are lucky Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil have this position in Proton. Try to use your own money to buy a proton then give us the comment then you will realize why the public don’t support proton. So many video in youtube showing people complain and shouting the in the show room. Frustrated and angry with the service. Tengok la sendiri.
I got saga flx years 2011..problem start after 1year…it difficult to start when engine at hot after u wait 10minutes i will be ok..same issues goes to my aunt car..every time go to service centre many things changes but still not solve..i just admit it buy at ur own risk!
Lagi mau tanya..engine x reliable pastu fc mengalahkan lori treler..dah tau tak pandai buat enjin tahan dan jimat minyak, beli lah..bab design hancus, masuk bakul angkat sendiri..nama keta pon asik tukaq ja..baik layan perodua jimat minyak enjin pon tahan..kalau mampu dah lama pakai ferarri..
Proton CEO blame the public but never blame the Crony vendors suppliers the root cause of Proton junk quality!
It’s ok to blame but blame the correct cancer virus lah!!!
Just go to your think temple and figure this out
Lets compare proton to the market benchmark Toyota And Honda if the market is open..
B-segment car Supposed price (44k-58k)
Vios full spec
City Full spec
Saga Full spec
C-Segment car (55k-65K)
Civic
Corolla Altis
Preve
D-Segment car (65k-80k)
Accord
Camry
??? Accordana?
From the spec, the quality we can see the comparision in heaven a part from the model that proton should be make the perfect sustituion. Not only spec but level of equipment of full spec (whistle and bell is not as same as the full of other model). The FC of proton is still in years of 2003, while other model fc has been efficient and gone to 2014 era. To make things worse the interior and exterior is outdated compared the others.
Let compared your so proud and ridiculous pricing Preve. The keyless smart entry is a joke. No proper market conduct as the keyless system suppose to make no key been taken out of pocket to drive the car. The entertainment system use resistivity touch which make the experience feel unresponsive. And the interior and exterior is really dated compared to closest rival.
Yet, you hit people to not buy your car. Execuse me, toyota and honda or even hyundai and kia can make profit selling at that price range and with full spec (bell and whistle). Your crony suplied part, deliver low quality price at higher price and that is the real root of proton quality problem.
Is this the proton that want to challenge global?
Give us the quality car at proper price range..
B-segment range,44k-55k give us above or equivalent vios or city level model
C-segment range, 50k-65k give us above or equivalent civic, mazda 3 or golf
D-segment range, 65k-80k give us above or accord, camry, mazda 6 equivalent car..
That is how proton suppose to tackle the market.. Otherwise, good luck on digging your own graveyard.. That all i can say.
Please made sure proton top management drive proton. Let them know what the car like, the services like and also the condition after siting for 3 years.
After that still proton, then sure is good.
My mom bought a first gen saga , then wira, waja ,
savvy for me and siter to use …now i bought her a preve..
Interior quality reduces with each generation , waja being the worst , savvy is just shocking with hard plastics all around..
the preve on the other hand needs improvement in the interior plastics and refinement..the suspension setup is too bumpy and the engine is too thirsty..
a proper facelift of the preve and suprima might be needed for proton to compete
Better interior quality plastics and soft touch material is needed!
“Look at the Japanese and how they are supporting their carmakers. Another example is South Korea, which supports local players like Samsung and Daewoo.”
Samsung products and japanese cars have what in common ? – international recognition .
Does proton have ?
Proton is famous for global syok sendiri.
It is ‘global car’ but afraid to enter USA market despite proud it as 5 star ratings 6 airbags.
“Our profits are shrinking with rising costs. For the new Saga SV 1.3, the nett profit is below RM500 and it is shocking,” he added. <—
Funny he say this…Nett Profit Rm500..then better close proton saga model la…work so hard just earn that Rm500?? Alot money sure masuk their own pocket la…
Somemore he dare to take Japan & Hyundai car to compare..with Japan & Hyundai car is worth for money…Proton?? Many Malaysian buy proton because this is the only car for lower budget people (terpaksa)..U think those buy Proton car they really like Proton? They buy because they are out of budget..
Honda City, Toyota Vios other country sell about Rm60k+-…Malaysia Preve Rm60k+- also..Which car you will choice? from the quality, engine, tahan use…
By tomorrow this news will get 1,000 funny comments. Another day to make me laughing otherwise a boring day to pass by. :P
Because of proton. We have to buy expensive BMW n Mercedes and other better quality car. Damn u proton.
We Malaysian rather pay more on more accountable manufacturer car company for the better fuel efficiency, eco-friendly, performance, design, stylish, elegance, comfort, safety, security that the Proton or the Malaysian Government was unable to guaranteed. Malaysia sememangnya TIDAK BOLEH.
Proton is the first car for every Malaysians. But they have had bad experience with the first one they don’t want to buy another Proton for their second car.
I bought 3 Protons consecutively over a period of 15 years, the last one made me pee in my pants many times, now I have abandoned Proton altogether and am now reasonably happy with P2.
Proton should take action against the bad perceptions..proton just beinig passive all this while..so its ur fault…make sure do a lot in designing part..keluar dari kepompong as kia and hyundai did on their cars. u got no problem in term of specs but ur design is still old.
At the time it was proposed to set up Proton the estimates given of maximum production capacities the figures given were less than the 480,000 odd that Hillman of the UK were producing at that time. I recall that article saying specifically that for economies of scales to be enjoyed the annual production had to be in excess of half a million units a year. At less than half that I could not see how Proton could at anytime be self sustaining. Then I found out how. Our excessively high excise duty for imported cars! I had bought a Ford Telstar 1800cc for RM27,000 in August 1984. After Proton the same car cost over RM40,000 in just under three years later. Proton was selling at under RM20,000 then. And even then the export prices for these same cars in the UK and Australia has always been a fraction of the same prices here. In other words Malaysians buying Proton were subsidising foreigners buying these cars. I suppose it was just punishment when non-bumis pay 7% more on their houses bought from developers in order to subsidise their peers who got it for less only because they were bumiputra. Of course they dont’ call it non-bumiputra subsidy for bumiputra homes. They call it discount for Bumiputras….
Mr Tan Sri, the solutions are quite simple:
1) Improve the engine – Spend RnD on developing engine with good FC and smooth to drive. The power could be so-so as it doesnt really matter to mass market. Just look at VVT-i and V-Tec 1.5 engine or even 1.3 DVVT engine.
2) Interior – Invest a little bit in building quality interior. That is where the buyer spend their time in. The fit and finish must be acceptable. The ergonomics especially is important. Look how toyota make their interior looks upmarket although its all hard plastics.
3) Reliability and quality control – Consumers are expecting new cars to be problem free at least for first 2-3 years. If not, they could just buy a second hand car.
4) After sales service, the most important aspect for consumers as we are servicing the loans for 7-9 years. We wanted to be treated nicely and not loads of crap given to us.
5) Create a brand image. Take KIA for example, the tiger nose grille are prominent. Honda has it’s exciting H design.
Please do market survey on what we, customers wants. Most of us wants the same thing (Quality and reliable cars for daily work-home driving). But are you targeting the market segment correctly? Probably we could learn some from toyota. Don’t envy on strenght of others, but learn from it and improve ourselves.
We all know that these will take years to accomplish, so stop whining and start changing.
All of that and maybe, Proton should just look at their competitors and study why they are successful.
people just buy what is worthy to buy..now day buyer not stupid any more.u are a CEO how can talk like this,i dont think u qualify to be.
it is not because u are proton malaysia product then we ned waste our much money to buy u low quality steel box.we are not u servant. why proton never improve because until today still dont know the actual problem. yes,i confess proton got slightly improve compare with 10 year ago but other competitor will not stop improving. eventually proton look from surface still no improving. my opinion first fire those dumbass who are working in proton still thinking he or she does not understand why Malaysian are not supporting their own products.because we buyer all know the reason..otherwise i think proton in future still maintain at same level with a bunch of stuff thinking’i do not understand why they are not supporting their own products.’ ..no cure.
huh..claimed that make 500 ringgitper car.
but yet selling cheap car price outside of Malaysia.
i couldn’t believe..
Proton’s profit is RM500/car. But what is your profit, Khamil?
And the 10 or more other pockets that consumers have to pay through before getting this mediocre piece of crap car that Proton so proudly makes and sells for an atrocious price? You dare to complain about Malaysians?
Labour in UK is much much higher than labour in Malaysia. Yet there are cheaper Vaxhaull cars sold than some stupid scrap metal that Proton and Perodua sells.
Proton models nowadays are up to the standard (Preve, Suprima), but they have to build back their “brand power”.. They have to invest more on gaining back the trust from fellow Malaysian.. Malaysian as we all know are more focus on the branding.. Once Proton have gain back their “brand power”, I dont see why Malaysian should opt for another expensive car that only have basic features..
people just buy what is worth to buy..now day buyer not stupid any more,u are CEO how can talk like this,i dont think u qualify to be.it is not because u are proton malaysia product then we ned waste our much money to buy you low quality steel box.we are not you servant. why proton never improve because until today still dont know the actual problem but we all know. yes,i confess proton got slightly improve compare with 10 year ago but meanwhile other competitor will not stop improving too.eventually proton look from surface still the same.my opinion first fire those dumbass who are working in proton still thinking he or she does not understand why malaysian are not supporting their own product..otherwise i think proton in future still maintain at the same level with a bunch off staff thinking i do not understand why they are not supporting their own product…no cure.
Syed Mokhtar please find another Ceo. The current one is really stupid.
Aduiyai mr chairman, even your procurement dept cant be trusted. The one with authority to approve the procurement can kao tim with supplier to mark up prices even for purchase of nut and bolt. Then they let proton pay the price, salesman achieve target, duit masuk poket, and customer pay the price.
BS la! Own Proton management drive what? Certainly not Proton! Support internally first then only public will support.
I have bought preve exec.and felt being cheated by proton management. You people take opportunity to suck Malaysian blood. And i m really stupid to trust proton again. NO WAY MAN.
What cheat they gave you? Explain
Guys, if you need to lament, complains, voice out, you should write to Proton directly via their website and email address. Spam them there. It won’t bring anything if you guys comment here instead.
1.well.Im using a 97 wira carburetor apart from power window i think they have improved alot with the recent line of products.But still its a national brand and its price needs to be 10k-20k cheaper in my opinion.
2.And second hand value of japanese makes are way higher than proton.So thats why japanese makes are dominating the motoring scene.
3.Small details on the car needs to be fixed,contract more reliable sub contractors to the work like Perodua which business is booming with its Myvi today
The Japanese are supporting their carmakers because they’ll be buying Japanese cars.
Saab also a good car but they fail in marketing
And proper management.
Learn a lessom form them.
Not always sucking money with a low quality product.
Really not appreciate by step on others to pull ownself up policy. Sacrifice whole malaysian benefits for certain group of people.
product wise – quality, price, after sales service
all those is not in favourable term
Saya sedih dan saya mau nangis
It’s not because we do not support our own country cars. It’s simply because of PROTON’s mentality of doing business.
It’s BECAUSE OF YOUR TIDAK APA mentality that made us buy other brands because PROTON is no longer competitive since all the other car brands are now available in the market for similiar price.
It’s BECAUSE YOU ALL MAKAN all the company resources and pass it to your buyers that makes the price so high and you can’t even cover your own costs.
It’s BECAUSE OF YOUR ARROGANCE to listen to consumers and deliver what your buyers want that is causing the dwindling sales.
It’s BECAUSE OF YOUR LAZINESS in creating innovative products like what the Koreans do that is driving your sales away.
It is BECAUSE YOU THINK the government is behind you all the time that you can push a piece of shit and expect people to buy.
It is because PROTON is a disgrace overseas due to it’s substandard quality when you fight with other conmpetitors.
It’s BECAUSE OF YOUR ATTITUDE, your dependency on others and your illusion of privilege that assume that the whole world owe you all to buy you crap piece of product.
PROTON is simply a reflection of what Malaysia is all about. Failure to compete because the government is always there to protect you when you are in trouble. This is what that’s going on with MAS and other GLCs nationwide.
And because of all that, that is why PROTON will fail while taking down part of the economy with it because the only think you all know how to do is to suck money from the government which means sucking for us taxpayers.
Shame on you all for asking such a stupid question. If you want people to buy PROTON, get the KOREANS to run the company because you all are not up to the standard.
Malaysians have no obligation to buy Malaysian-made products. We are old enough to make our own decisions. Stop lecturing around, Your products might be taken into account – only if you are able to make it on par with the market standard.
Bad public impression? Crank your mind and check what resulted that first? Look at Kia and Hyundai, they did have bad impression of problematic engine parts and bad fuel mileage a few years back, but people are buying the Korean cars now. Why? I think you are old enough to find out the answer.
I can offer free bomoh consultation to Proton. Just plant lots of coconut trees near Proton office and factory.
Well it’s just for refreshment fruits. Each you feel stress, just pluck some coconut and drink it to cool down. Less stress and can work better produce more quality cars!!!
even if we don’t compare the price of how much protons are selling brand new apple to apple with the price of protons selling locally. Why one should support when better quality models are only for export??
Why do Japan market support their locals? What sort of product they provide to their market?
Tell him & Proton to RIP..he don’t want.
Now talk like zombie ….more worse.
Rakyat have to bash more harder to kill Proton one & for all…When?
Uncle CEO, i’m sure you really don’t know what is car about.
Look at the L3 GT car on photo above, nak termuntah tengok buruk sangat!
I hope my comment reach our dearest proton CEO.
I own a Proton Gen 2 High line spec and can’t express the so proud feeling after spending my hard earning several months salary for its down payment. Unfortunately those proud feeling went into the drain after experiencing terrible problems with the car. (e.g. chassis crack causing “kung kang kung kang” sound,had to redo the wiring because of short circuit,engine produced cit, cit,cit sound and spending too much time to send it to proton service without the problems being solved).Although above was a 2006 story, with my first impression below than zero, it is hard for me to have confidence in proton anymore. I might reconsider this product again if this impression improve. For you information sir, I still heard the unpleasant complaint about proton until today.oh..lastly the above model is still with me, can’t sell it because of its low second hand value.
He’s right that many Malaysians shy away from Protons but I don’t think he gives a hoot why people do that. Dare I say, majority of Proton buyers buy them because they cannot afford other makes (Thanks to the protection given to Proton). If Proton is so confident they can make good cars, why are they having trouble selling them here and also to the rest of the world? Why do they need to be protected? By saying we do not buy our own products is also wrong, because I for one would chose Perodua over Proton for many reasons. Before I get bashed, I’ve owned a Proton and Perodua before and I can say that Perodua is a safer bet, it even holds better second hand value for those who care about RV. So, get your facts right before pointing your finger at the public. Nobody wanted to buy Korean cars 10-15 years ago and look at them today. If they just know how to blame the Japs and Conti cars, they would not have progressed. With this attitude and mindset, Proton will forever be playing catch up and second fiddle to other brands.
Other countries also have such protection. Grow up kid.
Uncle, you might want to learn how to read properly. My point was that “IF” Proton was so capable and great, they would survive even without ‘protection’.
Then you give me 10 auto makers that don’t have any kind of protection since start. If you can’t name them then you don’t even have to say that “If” statement because there’s no such thing and it’s out of mind.
That’s why you have to grow up kid, talk is cheap.
Yup I’ll grow up and drive something else, thank you. You can grow old with your beloved Proton and continue to protect it. Good luck with your power windows while you’re at it ;)
CHEERS!
i think the best proton engineer will be drex chan owner and CEO of EA autoworks well he can fix the whole airplane too.
mr chairman,to understand why public not supporting proton you need to….close shopla,everybody will support…
blame perodua, not us!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sales_of_Proton_and_Perodua_passenger_vehicles_in_Malaysia,_1985_-_2013_(l).png
“We have high-level engineers and designers working on Proton cars. Today, we hear fewer complaints about Proton cars.”
Which planet is the Proton executive chairman living in and can also say we Malaysian public are not supporting our own products, if proton keeps producing crap sub-standard products who in the right mind will support it, until today their cars are one of the worst still in terms of quality and safety features on the new saga SV is also crap.
Go produce this cars for overseas market, we the Malaysian Public don’t want our hard earn money to support proton anymore. There how’s that for a counter hit back !!! Stupid and epic failure by Proton and its chairman !!!
Compare us to Japs and Koreans.
HAhahahha! Childish la. Just make better cars.
If sales suck, it’s your own fault.
Need gov to help wipe buttock again is it ?
Again, make better cars. Not re badge..
Proton just do rebadging only… No need to waste time on R N D , preve, suprima are very poor in quality…. Continue your rebadging with mitsu and honda …. So that their RV will drop down like crazy….U ALL KNOW WHO GOT THE BEST RV RIGHT?
Their profit is so low is due to corruption within the organisation…
last time obama coming to malaysia drive what car?
A Proton Exora 7 seater CFE Turbo MPV probably cost around RM$84,000 in Malaysia
Proton has exported this to Singapore and declared customs cost is roughly around ~SGD$15k or less (~RM$39k) before tax, COE etc. That is manufacturing cost, insurance, freight n misc. charges.
So does each Proton Exora CFE MPV that is sold in Malaysia has a hefty profit RM$45k each?
IMHO the pre-FL variant cost is RM45K. Go figure.
Pardon me for saying in chinese. Anyone out there who understand please help to translate? Thanks!
這麼多年還只是停留在技術轉移的階段,根本沒有原創的能力,由內到外的品牌文化根本就在自欺欺人。別人一直在努力進步,你們一直在努力找藉口。跌倒了還敢責問別人為甚麼不扶他起來!抄捷徑,懶惰,剛復自用。。。甚麼事都認為理所當然,誰會支持你?
Hi all. I own a 2010 Persona Elegance Hi-Spec. I beleive power window should not be the biggest issue nowadays. It is in cabin experience that disappoint me the most. Rattling noise are everywhere. Engine noise is awful. I cant name any other sedan that offer this level of discomfort other than Proton’s. On addition there is no point in showing what you can do on future product when you cant make corections on your previous products.
in year 2011, i bought proton persona (baseline) for rm49k. In year 2013, Proton launched, persona SV, with added specs, for RM45k. Now i cant even trade in my car for new one :(
Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products. “Look at the Japanese and how they are supporting their carmakers. Another example is South Korea, which supports local players like Samsung and Daewoo.”
Stupid comment. U want malaysian to support your product then give us superb product as follows
1.attractive design. u guys fail at that just look at preve. the concept differs from actual product which have that unfinish back look. then look at persona.its already look outdated bcoz it is derive from gen2 not a totally new product. saga is even uglier that people buys bcoz they have no choice.
2.interior looks. u guys again sucks. just take a look at saga and volkswagen polo which suppose to have same price range if not because our tax structure. polo was way much better.
2. technology. not worth mentioning because proton were way far behind.
If proton want to succeed, replaced those people at the top management right now with foreigners mind set like those of the Jap’s, Koreans or Germans. If not, proton will closed shop when BN lost grip.
Mr Chairman, tell me:
Do you drive the Proton cars you sell? If not, why?
Try put that into perspective. Don’t be so confused as to why Malaysian citizens don’t support Proton, when you yourself don’t do it either
I wonder if he does buys and uses proton cars…
First of all the idea of Proton is meant for good, to build cars for people and create jobs in automotive industry.
What has gone south are more than we could say in few sentences.
1) Lack of Innovation
2) Quality issue
3) Cronism associates, with related parties supplying low quality materials
4) Lazy workforce, who starts work at 8, break at 10, goes lunch at 1, break at 3, & go back at 5
5) Low value for money
6) Why exported protons are cheaper than being sold locally!?
Why proton complaints m’sian not supporting? Hey Proton, have you heard about our complaints over the past decades? If you have taken our complaints constructively, maybe you’ll not ask this question today.
Look at Hyndai (Korea), look at Volkswagen (Germany). These are companies started with similar idea like Proton. These are the people’s car at first, in their home country. Look how they excel in quality, innovation, competitive. Which created so much economical value to themselves, also to the CONSUMER!
Stop Complaining, reflect and make it better.
while most points are very legitimate, cant help but think no.4 is an extension of your perception on govt staff to proton workers. if so, that is very unfair
i believe proton would be head and shoulders better if they had the freedom to choose their vendors on merit. cronism left proton unable to shake off half-assed vendors
Even some of proton workers refuse to buy proton. Khamil should ask the staff first before questioning the public.
i love my persona for 6 year without major breakdown even a power window and the mileage 147000 still climbing….viva persona….
WHY ON EARTH PROTON IS SELLING HIGHER QUALITY VERSION OF CAR OUTSIDE MALAYSIA CHEAPER THEN MALAYSIAN BUYING IT???????
CONCLUSION : they sell 40k cars to malaysian at 70k prices… while selling it to outside country at 55k price… (we are stupid if we spend money that much for a lower quality car) and we Malaysian are not STUPID !
that’s because of different structure of tax between countries
Proton executive chairman got shit for brains …. with his comments on hitting back on the Malaysian public and how he explains the problems in proton its no wonder why proton has fail and will continue to fail.
I can confidently say that from all the comments given, our Malaysian public has open their mind-set to making sure we do not support Proton now and moving forward as no matter what is done and said Proton will be a failure and 2 options, either sell all your vehicles in overseas market without bothering the Malaysian Public, that way you can continue to screw the government for more money and leave the Malaysian Public alone or close shop for good !! Proton should be ban from coming into the news and media portal, go do whatever you want, just leave the Malaysian Public alone, we rather support other car makers including perodua and are more happy to pay more better quality and reliable plus safer vehicles from other makers.
I have only 1 thing to say,if you don know something hire or reward people to tell u why and how to solve it, ur market research fail !! fact is tat people below u (even u) know wat’s wrong with it
Most Malaysian do support our local product. The fact is that they are buying the other Malaysian car, not Proton.
Tan Sri dan anak anak Tan Sri pakai proton ke?
Tauke restoran nasi ayam dan anak anak tauke restoran tak pernah makan McD ke?
Equal stupid comparison.
Heck, we are drinking Malaysian made Milo.
Malaysian made Neslo, Malaysian own Nasi Lemak.
Malaysian invented USB drive. The Malaysian made Perodua outsold the Proton even it’s more expensive and cost more than higher specs Proton, and equally less desirable that other brands.
Something must be wrong with Proton.
Perhaps, it does not have that “I must have one factor” and that factor cant overcome the “I may have to live with unforeseen frustration”
There are a lot of cars with problems, but people still buying it, ie. BMW, VW. What do they have? Packaging! Do you have it Proton?
Go have a spot check at all your “platinum” showroom, see the build quality of your display cars, then move over to Perodua showroom and see their display cars.
Anyone can spot/feel the difference, unless you are living in denial. So, look at the packaging again. How you present the car to the public/buyers will judge on first impression way before they decide to test drive your cars and eventually buy your cars.
And, please have more cars for demo/test drive, people are buying 60-80k of product from you, regardless what model manual or auto, you must have one for test drive somewhere. “We don’t have this model for test drive throughout Malaysia” type of craps should be ditched.
You fulfill the critics than you fulfill the need,
no point feeding half cook product that targeted only at complacent audience. 2004 was a restart point with modern Proton, 10 years past what has been achieved beside putting what was missing 10 years ago?
So, why question Malaysian here, when the number from overseas isn’t significantly increase over the last 30 years?
We can continuously argue on quality, reliability, value, after sales services, etc forever. But for me, the real deal here is “credibility” and “Image” of Proton. Another major “Influence” is non other then “Current Government Policies”. This is important because it not only effect Us in “deciding on buying or not”, but also in “supporting or not” our local product.
Now, that “current Government Policies” I mentioned are included everything including Socials matters. International Business people should understand this in term of support and enthusiasm.
Atas makan hingga bawah..mesti lah nett profit tinggal rm500!!
Just to get the facts straight, this comment is based on my experience on owning a Proton Persona.
1. The quality of your cars are not up to standard as per what Proton claims. Rattling, squeaking, and all other funny sounds starts less then a year of owning the car.
2. The Proton Sales and Service centers are a load of crap which are filled with rude and lousy service personnel/managers. Will NEVER admit that there is a manufacturing defect. Squeaking sounds coming from the rear Drum Breaks. Sent for 3 services before they finally changed the whole Drum brake set. Not to mention after every service, they drove the car for approximately 20 plus KM without refilling back my petrol… 4 services x 20km is already 80km…
3. Service center does not highlight what items that are about to reach the end of life. Timing belts are almost completely frayed when my own mechanic had a look at the car. (I’ve always sent the car to the SAME service center for the course of the warranty period)
4. The last i checked, Proton Satria Neo Rally car is not even using a proton engine.
Abolish tolls -> drivers need to roll down the window less -> less wear on power window motors and switches -> higher power window reliability -> power window issue solved.
Can I have the CEO job now?
i owned a proton satria….but i no longer drive it because it has a lot of problems…every 2 years need to change throttle body.. ecu fail every 3 year… this is real rubbish. now i park it on the field…waiting to decays….
Proton should look in the mirror and ask itself this question: “Why am I not being accepted. What is really wrong with me???”.
Instead of shifting the blame to the Malaysian public, I expected more from the head honcho of Proton, but alas, I am not surprised by his “defensive” statements. It is precisely this type of mentality, and from the top may I add, that cascades down to the lower level in the company, like a disease that is incurable.
How do you expect the public to accept Proton when :-
1. They STILL build crappy cars even after more than 25 years in the business. All you need to do is while you are driving, just observe how many and how frequent you would see a Proton with faulty headlamp or brake lamp, and mind you, these are new Protons, not the old ones. Where is the quality?
2. They are STILL doing re-badging. Re-badging is not necessary a bad thing, but coming from Proton, and knowing that they need to re-badge to survive, I just feel embarrass about Proton, being a national car maker after all.
3. They are STILL producing cars which are below par in build quality and fitment and finish. The Korean car makers used to be in this category as well, but look at them now. Need I say more?
4. There was a time in the past (circa 80s – early 90s) where Proton monopolised the market. ALl the Proton SA has to do is sit their fat-@ss in the showroom and customers will walk in “begging” to buy Proton cars. Thankfully, THOSE DAYS ARE WELL AND TRULY OVER.
Perhaps this is PAY BACK TIME from the public for all the years having no choice but to buy crappy Protons.
I would rather buy a Perodua over a Proton without blinking if I were in a market for a national car. At least I know that a Perodua has relatively far better build quality and fitment and finish than a Proton.
Not to mention that Perodua gives a perception to the public that their cars are better.
Nuff said.
I don’t believe whatever “facts” malaysian leaders are talking about. Our government system likes to make statistics numbers looking good, usually by cutting submission of the complaint letters/incidents, throw into dustbin unreported, whatsoever. You will get used to it when you are working in government.
Good luck to whatever cars you use, whether you “trust” your life to the company or not, if you spend most of the time traveling in your car.
The biggest sin in business is when you’re blaming customers for not buying your product!
Proton oh Proton…why are you so ???
Malaysians doesn’t support proton???where does he think the millions of ringgit that the government been giving to proton come from???
There is obviously a reason why the public doesn’t support the product. There a famous saying, ‘ the customer is always right’. If you feel Malaysians are not buying your product, it’s your job to improve your cars and your service to ensure customers do buy it. Criticizing consumers is hardly a way to win their hearts. Proton needs much better PR.
Also, as shown by the sales of Perodua, Malaysians are willing to support local products if quality and service is decent.
Kalau bab kritik ramai yang hebat. Bukan nak bagi cadangan yang positif, sekurang-kurangnya kita naikkan produk tempatan.
Jamil has no right in putting the blame on Malaysians for not supporting Proton, but then again, I believe most Malaysians can put up with Proton’s rather lackish QC if the price is done right. For this part, Jamil should have blamed the govt for leeching Proton in taxes despite being a local auto manufacturer. The real main culprit is the gomen, becuase of their policy, cars that are affordable in other ASEAN countries became too freaking expensive here, and if you want Malaysians to support local cars, you cannot levy high tax on the manufacturer as well, if manufacturer have to bear substantial tax charges, how lah you suppose they want to sell the car cheap?
Hello Mr.CEO…..Request the Gov to Abolish Tax on Local made car……The people might consider…Don’t blame the Malaysians……Invest fund in RND Department. Abolish Cronyism….Hire new quality Engineers in various department & the hiring not base on recommendation & etc..Must be strong in term of Technical & Innovative designs…It will Improve the Design & NVH(Really worst in Preve & Saga CVT version)…..
Close down proton if its not even up to local car industry standards, we dont have to go international yet. With so much failure after failure with so called latest and new models, the failure rates are way higher. And to those protonfags, godsake for once, please, use your brain instead of being a typical malaysian with typical replies supporting proton. We rather not have a national car than having one with the most failured output. Its a disgrace for Malaysia. An image tarnishing output by proton. Enough, shut it down and move on. People buy proton not because they love it, its because of proton other cars are not possible for reasonable purchase. Or let someone else take over with a different name instead of repeatedly rebranding which shows proton already out of ideas and keep producing failured product and tarnishing some other car manufacturers name by rebranding.
Dear Mr. Khamil,
I can relate to your statement in which you claim Malaysians are not supporting their local car companies.
The answer is simple, you are not doing enough, especially after bringing out such bold statements in the past like ‘Proton Prevé is our first global car’; and yet, you are only selling the Prevé in just 7 countries today.
Your new cars (Prevé and Suprima S) are actually slightly above average, even in competitive markets like Australia. The only drawbacks are the poor transmission choice, old engine, interior design, QC & fit/finish. Other than that, the Prevé and Suprima S are fine. You just need to fix these problems in the 2015 facelift.
And please launch the Prevé and Suprima S as soon as possible in China, the U.K. and the Middle East (especially Turkey, Egypt and Iran where Proton cars are quite popular and respected as the world’s only Muslim-majority car company). I have said this sooo many times, I’ve lost count. Exporting will be your saviour, not the Malaysian market.
If you want the rakyat to support Proton, you must do more. You are doing, yes, but not enough. There is much to be accomplished, and too little time. As a loyal supporter myself, I am becoming less and less supportive over the months because of Proton’s bold claims and empty promises.
Your new GSC must be good. It must match the Kia Rio/ Picanto in all areas, especially safety and be priced less. No more unreliable early batches. No more ‘good enough is enough’ mentality. Within the first year, Proton must export the GSC to as many big countries as possible, not just Thailand, Australia and Indonesia and other tiny countries.
Do all this and more, and eventually, Malaysians will regain respect for Proton.
Wow, you are one loyal supporter out of this whole forum of comments you still want to encourage proton even after the chairman has lash out on you, yes you being part of the Malaysian Public but what you have suggested makes some sense but its just too late.
Proton has no logic thinking, they feel nobody can step on them in their own backyard what more overseas market, with that ego in their 30 years plus mind, they will never ever change, will still continue to do what they think is correct and when got problem fire back at our poor Malaysian public people, not knowing how many Malaysians suffer in their low quality, poorly design, sub-standard protong car day in day out in our traffic jams !!
NO MORE RESPECT FOR PROTON and AERO you are as bad as protong for continuing your loyal support when they don’t want to even listen to you !!
So you see, all minds that think alike will continually give reasons to stay on when there is no competition coz Gomen protection on protong !! Go ahead and support, you can remain their number 1 supporter and only supporter moving forward !!
At least I can give constructive criticism unlike you who only know how to cyberbully others while hiding behind your computer.
Look at yourself in the mirror first before openly criticising and bashing others.
Ohhh, that must have prick a nerve, the truth hurts…does it …. I too have constructive criticism, it’s you whom don’t have the mentality to take it constructively, how your proton cars doing, continue to support blindly and stupidly coz that’s as far as you will ever go in life !!
I am no blind fanboy Proton supporter. As much as I like Proton, I have absolutely nothing nice to say about BN. I believe most Malaysians think supporting Proton means supporting BN, and in my opinion, it doesn’t have to be that way. Proton is just a tool, the real enemy is BN. If and when Pakatan takes over, you’ll see that they won’t close down Proton, they’ll just kick out each and every crony and appoint better, and more passionate staff, which is how it should have been all along. Proton is just being led by the wrong people, that’s their biggest problem right now.
And we shall see who gets where in life in the near future. You’ll know me, you know my username, I am brave enough to deal with people like you on almost a daily basis. As for yourself, you can safely bash and talk cock behind some fake username. Forget Proton. Who is on the moral high ground now ?
STUPID CEO.. benci betul org pangkat besar otak kecik… owner proton yang sibuk dok back up proton tu bukan apa pasai diorang habis duit banyak buat loan nak bl keta baru import tak ada duit. beli la proton sebab tu yang mampu.. poton 700 800 sebulan… kalau org kutuk marah la… tapi terima la hakikat.. proton takkan kemana… berpuluh tahun dah tapi mcm tu jugak kete proton yang eksport ke luar bukan main speknya… cat berlapis juai pasaran sana murah yang amat.. cuba kualiti yang sama, harga yang lebih murah jual.. kat sini org malaysia beli dua setiap rumah tau tak
Mr. CEO, you dare to blame the customer? don’t you know there is something called “CONSUMER RIGHTS” ?
Useless bloody Proton chairman, can dare to fire back at the Malaysian Public & consumers whom have supported your stupid, low quality produces cars for the pass 25 years !! No 1. Rubbish CAR MAKER of the YEAR and got balls to FCUK the public back.
This is too much, we should all make sure nobody buys proton anymore, let their 500 profit turn to negative 500 then see if the usless car marker can still survive in our local market, oh yea the government will bail them out, never mind let’s see for how long more !!
Stop the buying, boycott all together this chairman and Proton !!! I wanna see the bloody chairman face when next quarter figures shows ZERO sales from local market, see whether he come back and scold the Malaysian Public again !!
Yeah, if Proton goes out of business, we are left with overpriced Perodua. Average Malaysians will never get the chance to own affordable & comfy sedan. Don’t expect car prices come down if UMW or Honda controlled the market.
I don’t think Najib will give a second chance to bail Proton. Proton had incurred so many bad debts for their syndication loan to revived Lotus (in British Pound Sterling by Malaysian banks led by CIMB). If Proton cannot stand on its own feet to buckle up, then the only solution is for DRB to sell Proton. There are so many potential ready buyers, VW, General Motors and Honda. It wouldn’t happen if Tun is still the advisor, of course.
come on man, you consider saga a proper car? what about throttle response? , body role when cornering? the noise inside the car? the finishing? come on. if you guys reproduce the old sage you might earn more
Hi Max u dont judge Proton Saga car with sports cars.
it cost below RM50k consider a economical car which u should compare to Perodua Myvi. whereby the body of Saga is much more tougher then Myvi. Saga handling it better then Myvi. throttle respond can be requested to tune at the Services Centre.
I don’t support because you don’t play on equal platform. Prove to us that your cars are as good as the Japanese on the same pricing level without price protection. Otherwise you are perceived to be selling inferior cars. So don’t beg.
We, Malaysians should make his accusations come true, just buy Perodua cars and let him loss his job. Let all the crony suppliers die with him.
How dare he blamed us!
Malaysians were very proud when Proton started to design it own cars but when they started re-badge, we don’t know where to put our face and to make matter worse every new models they claimed “Lotus Tuned”. My mechanic, Ah Hwa or Atan are tuning better performance for my cars.
Who ever is his boss, you better ask “How come he doesn’t know why Malaysians are preferring other brands like Perodua?” Their Myvi has so many cosmetic changes but the basic design is still the same but still sells very well. Top model sales.
It is time you go and maybe Proton can persuade Tengku Mahaleel to come back as CEO and give him a freer hand to appoint or sack vendors.
Proton plz stop introducing SUPER VALUE SPEC car if u cant earn more profit just stop it. I am impressed with ur products design, performance and handling and of coz the afford of Proton R&D department. Quality wise still acceptable. but … after the SV spec came out it kind of embarrass me and make me and my car feel very CHEAP … learn from the history strategy from BMW.
Bmw? Haha .. proton staff post all tenggelam with all the negative post now changing tactic to blend in and say good things about them self.
Why i dont buy Proton
1. Old design ..not innovative at all…
2. Old technology ….
3. Go back to mitsubishi is the backward looking CEO. We should already have our identity, design and built our own car and engine
4. No character.
5. Worst rebadge Honda Accord become Perdana.
6. Low end car
7. Low end technology.
I will buy proton if
1. It has its own character like the merc, bmw and audi
2. Latest technology like the german
3. Fun to drive like the german
4. Lotsa automation like the german…i fancy park assist…collision detection and etc..
5. Design and build our own car and engine.
6. High end car…its also about reputation of driving one. ( why the proton CEO drive proton to office but driving bmw /audi in unofficial event)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3208612
Proton overseas sales drop 80% since 2010, 5,937 unit compare 29,069 unit on 2010
KUALA LUMPUR – Syarikat pengeluar kenderaan nasional, Proton Holdings Berhad (Proton) mencatatkan penurunan jualan hampir 80 peratus di luar negara tahun lalu berbanding tahun 2010.
Menteri Perdagangan Antarabangsa dan Industri, Datuk Seri Mustapa Mohamed berkata, jumlah unit yang terjual pada tahun lalu hanya 5,937 unit berbanding 29,069 unit pada 2010.
Ia berikutan pertukaran pemilikan Proton dengan strategi perniagaan yang berbeza, selain persaingan sengit dengan syarikat gergasi lain di luar negara dengan cukai yang tinggi.
“Oleh kerana skala bilangan Proton di luar negara yang kecil, maka ia kurang mampu bersaing.
“Ia juga ada kaitan dengan pasaran besar Thailand yang memberi rebat kepada syarikat membuat pemasangan di negara itu, disebabkan Proton yang dipasang di Malaysia kemudian kita import kereta yang dibawa ke Thailand, menyebabkan Proton kurang berdaya saing,” kata Mustapa.
Beliau berkata demikian pada sesi soal jawab lisan pada sidang Dewan Negara di Parlimen hari ini.
Menjawab soalan tambahan Senator Datuk Abdul Rahman Bakar, Mustapa berkata, jumlah kerugian bagi setiap kereta yang dijual adalah sebanyak RM2,000 hingga RM10,000.
Bagaimanapun di dalam pelan perniagaan terbaru DRB-Hicom, Proton telah membuat keputusan untuk memasang komponen kenderaan tersebut di luar negara seperti di China.
Mengambil contoh penjualan di Iran pada 2010 dengan pemasangan di negara terbabit, Proton mampu menjual kenderaannya dengan jumlah yang besar.
“Di Iran, apabila model itu dilaksanakan Proton dapat keuntungan, model dipasang di Malaysia dieksport ke luar negara akan rugi kerana saingan daripada syarikat gergasi seperti Honda dan Toyota. Maka dengan syarikat gergasi ini, ia tidak memungkinkan keuntungan,” katanya.
Setakat ini Proton masih mengekalkan untuk menggunakan teknologi Lotus yang akan membantu meningkatkan teknologi kenderaannya dengan pengiktirafan rating lima bintang di Australia.
Kolej Automotif di Pekan, Pahang pula dengan bilangan 800 pelajar, selain mempunyai 15 peratus staf Proton terdiri daripada pakar dalam bidang kajian dan penyelidikan (R&D), Proton dijangka mampu meningkatkan persaingan kepada industri automotif.
Manakala bagi persoalan sama ada Proton akan ditutup atau tidak, Mustapa berkata ianya terpulang kepada DRB-Hicom.
U shud know y ppl does not support proton.bcoz after that u r gonna suffer from problems..dun talk about japan..they support their local because they dont produce problematic shit for themself. U dun tel me thatI dun own a proton..starting from day 1 until now I vomit money to repair this n that.summore 1 to talk support..to give super value..u compromise on quality..thats what everyone knows
I feel a sort of…morbid satisfaction after reading this.
I think Malaysians have spoken for a very long time now, and now they are speaking with their actions. Proton is just responding too little, too late – the usual behavioral pattern here in this country.
I believe people have a right to choose, and if we find no comfort and satisfaction in Proton, we have the right to invest elsewhere more worthwhile. This sort of ‘Live in this country, must buy products made in this country’ herd-mentality is petty and childish, it just makes me incensed. Guilt-tripping and manipulation (another popular trait here in Malaysia) won’t make me buy your products. If your efforts genuine and your products great, then watch it flourish, you deserve it. If not, it’s not fair to cry foul and blame the masses.
Give us a reason to ‘support Malaysian’.
Good luck on the exports drive.
Hi all, my first proton is proton saga way back on yr 1993 then change satria and then change to waja. No, more proton.
Way back from my latest experience with proton is quality control and realiability. I actually give thumb up for waja, actually this model if comparing with current vios and city, can say tak boleh fight but, yes BUT this car realiable is not so realiable. After 3 yrs, I need to fork up estimate mthly RM300 for fixing my car and not including the normal service lah. Same lah, sana bunyi, sini bunyi lah and sana sini rosak lah. Why can they give a better quality for us.
Waja cost me RM60k and on tat time vios only RM70k but u see their quality is totally different. The good things about waja is their handling, vios can go aside and eat smoke but in term of quality and realiable proton kena main jauh jauh.
Not we local duwan to supports proton, buy new car and after 3 yrs need to fork up how much to fix the car, i think Japanese car might after 7 yrs u will have such problem.
Proton been in the market since 1985, how come own engine also dont have, still using lotus dunno how many yr engine as campro engine.
1985 till now, how many copy and paste car did proton done and how many is own design?. What did proton R&D do, makan and jalan jalan. This all engineer should goreng them, is wasting all the company resources without designing any new look and engine.. This torally unacceptable and suck..
To proton CEO, u oledi the answer but seems tat u have deniablelogy to accept the true..
“Khamil also hit out at the Malaysian buying public, saying that he does not understand why they are not supporting their own products. “Look at the Japanese and how they are supporting their carmakers. Another example is South Korea, which supports local players like Samsung and Daewoo.””
– wow this Khamil must be living inside a cave or probably he is not a Malaysian… impossible he doesn’t know that Malaysians have bad impression towards Proton cars… Proton is the reason which forces Malaysians to buy local cars instead of buying foreign brands with much reasonable prices~! Malaysians have no choice but to buy local brands due to high price of foreign brands, thanks to Proton and Government!
Tan Sri can’t even pronounce “Malaysia” properly!
Proton closes shop = Second Malaysian Independence Day!
proton never learn…..y locals buy foreign cars?use ur head to think la mr Kamil……from start japanese build their cars with passion and learn fast from customers….Proton only learning when the free trade is on the way….threatening its shares…Korean also start their cars almost at the same time as Proton…but they have no protection so they move fast unlike proton, only learn to blame others instead of improving….so Mr Kamil, learn this lesson “anak emas manja ditatang penuh pasti hancur” macam dalam wayang P Ramlee….
Take me few minutes to scroll down.. man.. P1 load if BS.. I bot P2.. don’t question my loyalty to my country. Besides. . I love my money more than this P1 of BS.
For me, plain simple…Just sell proton cheap laaa….I meant REAL cheap!!!!!! If Preve’ being offered RM20-25K..?? Who doesn’t want? The Saga FLX (whatever the name was..) at RM12-18K…? People like me will rush to buy laah!!! Period. And don’t tell me if selling in large volumes can’t make any good return in a specific span of time??? I really envy our neighbour BRUNEI…..had a cousin working there, and drove a second hand 2005 range rover which cost him only around B$4000….I know…don’t compare with them, but hey,Brunei doesnt need to produce it’s own car, she just bring in foreign marques and sell them at a very, very low price…..And if we want proton to be “liked”…DO SOMETHING…!!!!
Dear Proton Executive Chairman. You said you have high level engineers and designers but why your latest product suprima s
1) rear bumper diffuser serve no functionality
2) rear light guide so thin more like feature than functionality. Sometimes sun shines but it’s raining. The light guide really serve nothing.
3) worst part, the interior. Not to say the plastic quality itself. The gaps in between each panels, between dashboard and dot panel – big gaps and not inline. For example, the silver trim between front door and the dashboard not inline properly plus rear door without silver trim means lack of connection inside the cabin. The centre dash also have very big fit and finish problem.
4) the ICE with navigation. Bad quality display, low and old os, some os bugs. Please use good quality system including speakers.
People, don’t angry with me of repeating my post. However, this s why many people don’t buy suprima s. With same price range, people can get better quality car. For proton, every thing looks so good in drawing board just like interior, drawing so nice, so neat but end products really different.
Have you seen the movie CAPTAIN AMERICA?
Why not hire the Winter Soldier and tear the botak into pieces by using his metallic hand?
BLAMING MALAYSIANS for not supporting Protong is PATHETIC AND PANIC management.
How low can the Arab’s botak go?
Engine development…. too slow. No choice to choose. Car models too. Variant? Ya, a lot of unnecessary variants. Spend too much capital, man power and time there.
Thousand apologies.I thought Protong is making losses for each Saga SV it sells.Now the botak says it is RM500 nett profit for each car sold.
Protong already bleeds Rm100k plus each quarter.In a year,it will lose RM 500 million.
Parasitic brother Lotus will continue to push proton into the RED.
Why not CLOSE SHOP ,pay off the staff handsomely,auction off all tangible assets, park the proceeds into Amanah Saham and get back some SELF RESPECT and profits INSTEAD of blaming Malaysians for not supporting their pathetic car.Make sense?
Simple laymen terms..Develop your own chassis and body..buy engines from Honda especially the pre 2009-2011 types..1.3,1.5,1.6,1.8,2.0 & 2.4.Welcome back the Mitsubishi-engined Proton era im pretty sure sales will boost up and rakyat will gain trust back..Can steal Perodua customers anytime..With sturdy chassis from Proton,ride n handling from Lotus and powertrain from Honda who in the right mind wanna buy less safety Perodua?
Saga with Jazz 1.3 engine with an option of City 1.5 engine,Preve with Civic 1.6 & 1.8 engines,Suprima with Civic 1.8 & 2.0 engines,Exora with Stream 1.8 & 2.0 engines,Satria Neo with Civic 1.6 & 1.8 engines.
Recently I asked a foreman who has brought a Saga FLX last 8 months. I ask him should I get a Saga for my daughter college ongoing. He told be to go for MYVI as he has consistent problems with his SAGA for 6 months to finally rectify the problem. Air-cond system clotting and because of punctured filter!
Not forgetting Perdana 2.0 & 2.4 Accord engines
Haram jadah, apa lagi Proton mau? We dun like u, sukati ktorg la! U tak suka, kluar dari Malaysia!
Ask us to buy your shit, then go back to your Audi chauffeured. Gi mampos.
I wish I could personally tell Tan Sri Kamil, that :
1. yes indeed, newer Proton model have made much progress. my Saga FLX is not so bad after all… considering the price I paid for…
2. I still have my full warranty honored and I noticed “Some Proton Service Center” do Listen to us and get us proper update on ECU software and tuning and address defect claims.
3. However, my frustration is when defect claims don’t get solved in one visit. I have had problem with my rear drum brake jammed for 3 Service repair interval (15k km). It is finally solved after I changed to another Proton Service Center.
That goes to show, majority of the car parts have improved, but not 100% satisfactory.
Your Proton Service Center have got to really make a Big Jump in improvement. Technical competency need to be more convincing.
Btw, I am speaking from my own experience owning 3 Protons – Iswara hatchback (replaced) -> waja (in use and loved it) -> Saga FLX (given to wifey)
Tan Sri, still lots of work to do. Btw, focus your resources to continue improve and don’t go crazy to introduce too many models. Suprima S is a ‘waste’ in my opinion.. cheers
Just to add on with regards to the Saga (BLM) rear drum brake problem. There is something seriously wrong with the design. However, Proton is not admitting and has done nothing to inform its customer. You can ask the guys in the SC and there would tell you how often they had change the rear brake pump. My Saga suffered from this problem.
Those whose said they didn’t have the problem can be due to their gentle driving or completely unaware of the fault. Hint to spot the rear drum brake jam problem, the external drum housing mostly had rusted due to severe overheating. You just compare yours against other Saga BLM.
This CEO with insufficient intelligence may just need to read all the comments here to find out why Malaysia public does not support proton , if not for the protection of the govt by imposing heavy tariff on foreign cars, proton already bankrupt long time ago.
Not diing well, blame others. Typical BN and cronies mentality. Still talk of entitlement and nak tongkat.
Talk export for donkey years and still talking…
The previous proton CEO didn’t complain and remain focus to improve the company.
After taken over by DRB, it’s all politics and talk crap.
Apa lagi mau Proton?
Hello Syed Mokhtar and DRB Board, pecat jer si mamat Khamil pendek ni, dulu masa Lotus rugi dia pecat Baha, sekarang dia rugi dia kata rakyat malaysia tak tulong dia
Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil is a disgrace to all Malaysians. How can he put the blame on consumers/Malaysians. Why don’t you just resign you impotent worm.
proton needs a strong partner.. proton must get the right people.. a german perhaps.. or maybe a leader like tony fernandes!
In the first wave of Proton’s launch, their cars were essentially Mitsubishi with a change in the badge. All else remained Japanese. When they thought they got it made by using govt crutches, they got complacent and arrogant. How many times did you get a “take it or leave it” look from the salesman when you went to the showroom to check it out in the 90’s? You couldn’t even test drive one!
I have driven Wira’s that had the air con button fall into the dash when you press it. The fog lights pop out and dangling, the infamous temperamental power window, perforation of the driver/passenger door and roof at the very same spot (same model, same spots) just to mention the more popular problems.
In fact, buying a Proton was a 90 to 10 gamble – are you the 90 who got the crappy ones or the 10 that had the good (often export) model?
30 years and only one “home made” engine to show for? What happened there? I met a automobile logistics senior executive some years back who admitted that the only part of Proton that is Malaysian made is the windscreen wiper reservoir bottle! I took that at face value. Who am I to say what is and what isn’t?
For the man who started Proton off and the staunch supporter, the good Doctor himself, I believe he doesn’t even have one in his stable during his tenure, nor do I think he has one now. Likewise, the same goes for the incumbent CEO, who lacks the economic, technical or even business sense to comprehend what is happening on the ground.
Proton had a chance to turn itself around when VW made an offer. It would have been a step forward in the right direction, but alas, we all know what happened then until now. So this CEO’s lament is but an excuse for screwing things up and not taking any responsibility. Sound like some people we know?
Proudly bought a 73k preve CFE as my 1st car in 2012, got more than 10 problems in less than 1 year ownership, including the most serious headache; leaking engine, WTF??? Now please tell me if I’m truly not helping proton or proton just kill me for providing a problematic car with 5 years ‘service centre trip’ warranty?
Sorry, proton. My 1st proton was my last proton.
Why?
No Quality. Endless disapointment with the Car. Why should I pay hard earned money on a new Proton yet I had to suffer endlessly due to constant breakage of proton car constantly?
Never again a Proton. I confess that I am a true Malaysian and love my country very much. However, I am not a blind-supporter though.
Why no quality? What happens?
the whole company need to be revamp, start from TOP(management) till Suppliers. Start from Supplier selection till parts approval.
Easiest is to Remove corruption, part price will sure drops and quality shall improve concurrently.
everyone knew this BUT NO ONE WANT EXECUTE IT…
concern many rice-bowl will be affected!!!
its a same scenario with AP, those AP Holder(aka AP-King) want Gov to give them AP for life’s, till their next generation, till their next next generation PERPETUALLY!
ITS TIME TO CHANGE !!!
know what, management di R&D adalah orang orang yang sama sejak sepuloh tahun yang lalu..no wonder la no progress..
Car in malaysia is expensive, so people here need to think rationally on their amount of investment,,,
To let people buy proton’s, proton itself need to solve their internal problem, not blaming people patriotism,,
What proton should do
1-quality issues – improve quality inspection and material used,
2-customer service hospitality – not friendly and treat customer like crap (cose)
3-sales advisor- insufficient product knowledge
4-marketing-lot of malaysian did not know about new proton’s safety features
5-procurement unit- low quality material (fuse burn, preve seat easily fibres)
6-testing team – should identify all the problem at early stage (weird krek krek sound & wind noise, leakage)
7-Management team – attitude toward job duty, mostly just waiting for salary date, not intention to produce satisfied quality product..
However, i respect to proton engineer, they have talent and ability, but management team ruin their hope…
I do heard from Kia articles, the root problem of their fleet is all come from material quality, they manage to handle it and now, they are one of the biggest car manufacturer today…
I do have a big hope on proton, pls do some paradigm shift,,
Sure we’ve ALL supported Proton THROUGH THE EXORBITANT TAXES PAID SINCE THE 80’s!! Without us propping it up, it would’ve been dead long ago. How embarrassing to tell the world you make less than USD200 margin on a car. Nike make more on a pair of shoes. Says it all.
Proton, give your market complaint graph first before saying public did not believe your product. If many market complaint sure many Not Good is release. Customers doesn’t want that. They want ease of mind usable products. And come on, does your RnD did not have comparison supplier for a better price and quality?
Im using saga FL year 2011
My personal opinion, is because :
1. quality low, not even on par with perodua (pedal clutch noisy, steering not tight)
2. FC is quite high (13km/L at city driving, very light footed, at hiway i achieved 15km/L)
3. after sales service sucks, 6 times try to repair my pedal clutch but still got squeaky sound
4. ANCAP crash test only 1 star, not safety !
13km/l or 13l per 100km?
If 13km/l that’s equivalent with myvi FC. Still you say it’s high? Duh.
Another thing, Saga flx+ now has 3 star Asean NCAP.
Haha My year 2002, 2.0 V6 is 11km/l and consuming almost the same amount as my buddies 1.3 2012 Saga FL. (My point is they are 10yrs apart and 2.0V6 vs. 1.3)
Where got same, 13 is not 11.
If you want to bluff think first
Tan Sri, are you wearing a Malaysian made watch? Does your home have a Malaysian branded large screen tv? Do you travel only in Malaysia during holidays? Wait, what car are chauffeured in? Gasp! Is that an Audi? I rest my case.
Khamil raged over why local never extends their support. Just ask him one question:-
Given the fact he is ordinary folks same as us earning our daily hard earned cash, would he just get a Proton simply because he is a patriot and leave those probable countless nightmares later or he would be more rationale and make another more sensible choice?
How irresponsible for a CEO to lash out such words thought out of stomach? He must step down, gracefully, or oust in a way every generation after will remember him.
Why it is cheaper oversea?
http://www.proton.com.au/special-offers/
vs
http://www.proton-edar.com.my/en/Models/Preve/Model%20Overview%20Page.aspx
open up the market and see if proton survive…they have been slacking for too long with all the protectionism..buckle up and compete with others and only that they can actually reach beyond our own tiny market..
Well, Perodua is another national car and Malaysian are buying them. They are not buying Proton and the reasons you Proton do know why ! So don’t blame us for not supporting . We cannot just throw away our hard earned money to buy a Proton car. Why was Proton a huge success during EON’s era but now a failure ?
Proton can close shop, says Dr M
Malaysia Kini, Oct 17, 2005
National car manufacturer should close down if that is what the people want, said former premier Dr Mahathir Mohamad today.
According to Bernama, reporters covering a news conference following a function attended by Mahathir did not quite know what to make out of his remark that the Proton management should look into all suggestions pertaining to the matter.
“We just close down Proton if this is what the people want,” said the former premier.
“And if some feel one way to overcome the many problems we hear today – including Approved Permits (APs) and so on – is that we don’t have the automotive industry in Malaysia, we (can) just close down,” he added.
When pointed out that his comments sounded as if he was sulking, Mahathir replied: I’m not sulking. What is there to sulk, (Proton) is not mine.”
When a reporter noted the fact that Proton was his brainchild, the former prime minister responded: “My brainchild does not mean the government must uphold my brainchild.”
Mahathir, who is Proton’s adviser, was commenting on the SMS responses published by a newspaper today that made stinging remarks about the current state of Proton. Many went to the extent of proposing that it be closed down.
The SMS were in response to comments surrounding Proton made by Backbenchers Club Chairman Shahrir Abdul Samad on Saturday, among them was that Proton should not be required to meet the ruling on local content of up to 90 percent if this affected its competitiveness and increased prices in comparison with foreign vehicles.
He was also quoted as saying that if the quality of Proton products were still not up to standard and could not be exported, then it should close down.
AP issue… boringlah
Referring to his interview on TV3’s Friday, Mahathir said the reason he accepted the invitation was to correct various statements that reflected badly on him, including the one that he had given approval for Naza Ria to be accorded national car status.
“I felt that I need to correct (things). Now I am a little bit bored with correcting. And then people say something else, then (I’ll have to) correct again. I’m tired of correcting,” he said, drawing laughter from those present.
Asked whether he would still continue as Proton advisor, his replied: “I am appointed (to the post), so I will still serve as advisor.”
He was also queried on a letter dated July 14, 2005 he sent to International Trade and Industry Minister Rafidah Aziz in which he put across his views on various aspects of the AP issue.
Mahathir said he thought the letter publication in the media would help explain things.
“I only revealed my letter, not other people’s letter. So, whether or not people want to believe in what I say in my letter, that is up to them. Of course, I explained to the best of my ability,” he said.
When it was suggested that the AP controversy had been going on for months, he said: “Yes. Boringlah.”
“What I think doesn’t matter, what the people think matters. If the people are satisfied that AP should be given to one or two people and they become millionaires overnight, fly around in helicopters and all that, if that is what we want, it’s okay,” he said sarcastically.
Mahathir added that his main concern was how all these had affected Proton.
This Proton just don’t understand being old or new mgt.
People don’t forgo bigger size car for a smaller and more expensive car for no reason.
removed the VDP (Vendor Development Program)….then proton will get a quality and cheaper car!
Protong semua kereta cetak rompak, sampai bila nak tolong? kalau lanun cetak rompak kita banteras, Proton pun kita kena banteras
They have to learn to be a big boy, stop copying everyone’s exam answers, come up with your own original approach… improve quality… simple lah wey
Eh, lu pikir nak cetak rompak kereta tu senang ke?
Proton spent months changing little bits of the Honda Accord for our Ministers. Kalau lu ingat main potong-tampal je, pi duduk atas pokok. Nak retool the moulds, nak pass quality control semua.
As for JVs with foreign manufacturers, this is simply the done thing for companies who are still on the rise. Youngman Lotus, for example, uses CKD kits of our cars. Kalau you tau macam mana nak run Proton la sangat, apa kata you pi apply for CEO position?
I think, credit where credit is due la. Since DRB took over, Proton adalah improvement sini-sana. Cust. service dah improve steadily. Suprima punya interior dah higher quality. In fact, I notice the Preve punya main problems dah sort out dah on the Suprima.
What Tan Sri said was right la, rasanya. We Malaysians need to see Proton for what they are NOW, and not what they used to be.
Eh, korang ni tak pikiaq ke? Complain pasal guna duit rakyat apa bagai. DRB-Hicom owns Proton now. Mana duit hang diguna to fund Proton? Nak cakap pasal geran and all? Bila Toyota, Naza, and Citroen ambik geran, senyap pula. Main ketuk Proton tak berpasai-pasai.
And all this nonsense about Proton being protected by the Gomen. Please learn to draw a line between business and politics. Proton Holdings dulu mungkin ada backing from Gomen, but now no more. Proton sekarang private corporation, beb. Just like Perodua. And Proton cars are taxed just like everyone else. Sesiapa yang nak komplen pasai harga Proton mahal, pernah tengok Myvi di England tak? Dah banding harga? Same thing laaa, wei.
Think la sebelum cakap.
MITI minister Mustapha still answer questions about Proton in Dewan Rakyat session.
You said Proton owned by DRB now, it means no longer govt owned and should be treated as private company too. Why govt minister must answer on Proton behalf? Why not for Perodua, Naza, Inokom all national car status?
Proton close shop mau bankrap kah, apa menteri mau peduli? Tak pandai berniaga, salahkan kalkulator rosak kah?
Nanti aku cakap kamu bongok, pandai pula kamu marah! Ptuiii
AdaOtak memang ada otak tapi tak ada akal. Cukai yang dikenakan 60-200% keatas kereta import tu nak protek sapa?
Banyakkan membacala dulu sebelum komen
It’s a remark that will make people angry that’s for sure…. but hey.. bash him lah… don’t bash the company…. the staff also probably don’t know anything about what their boss say…. hahahaha…
The staff la yang buat kereta takde quality.
So many comments… Proves that no matter love or hate, there’s always a place for Proton in rakyat’s hearts.
To be honest, Proton doesn’t do enough to earn the sales from us. So don’t blame us, just look at Perodua, Tan Sri you should fbeeel ashamed for saying that statement.
The coming GSC must be good, or else disaster.
I wonder when will we get an direct injection engine, or a really good FC car.
sampai situ jer tahap pemikiran CEO…patutla proton x kemana…macam mana nak support proton menipu jer kerja dia
I recently read Lotus lost 600 million pounds last financial year. (Autocar). The car company funded and owned by Proton. This shows that the car companies may not survive without protection. It is sad really. Time to discontinue with this project. Time to grow up.
Is Proton still owned by the government? Why is he obligated to keep a sinking company running if it is not making money?
Reading this kind of comment from a government linked company CEO, makes me want to migrate even more. Why pay tax? To subsidise all these lose making companies? Isn’t it better to sell some shares in proton to VW, and have JV with VW and produce better quality cars?
Why this kind of nasionalism when all you are doing is producing sub par cars, and selling it to the nation? not only rakyat rugi buying sub par cars, but they have to pay tax to subsidise them. Double stab the rakyat. Who profits? Crony suppliers in the name of nasionalism.
The truth is, Protong makes money for the cronies supplier….just like MAS for the Mas cathering…
no matter how much protong earn not enough since looted by those cronies supplier. Thats the reason the low quality power windows survived for years. If they can disclose who owns the power windows supplier…I am not surprise.
Why Malaysian don’t buy Proton?
Suka hati kita la. Duit kita orang. Apa you susah?
98 – 1st car Iswara
03 – Toyot SEG
09 – Nissn Sntra
13 – Onda
I’m not loyal to even one manufacturer.. but driving the experience.. Wallah!!
Very simple. Do you buy food that don’t taste good? Do you buy food that is low quality and yet expensive? The same apply to cars and everything else. We are just consumer, and we spend our money where we think its worth.
Agree with most of the comment. Proton cars have good handling, so so engine, good pick up but terrible design. While they got the interior correct with Preve/Suprima, the exterior design is already outdated. Get it right and it will sells like the Korean which bank on exterior but have terrible ride quality to my opinion.
miss DSZ.. plz cOme back
If you can’t get locals to like Proton, how do you expect to get foreigners to like it?
You can’t force Malaysian to buy Proton. You have to attract them. If the high managements of Proton don’t even own Proton cars and has no desire to do so, how do you expect to sell Proton cars?
As simple as selling nasi lemak. If you don’t even like the taste of the food you’re selling, how do you expect other people are going to like it?
Why Malaysian is not supporting Proton like Koreans support Hyundai and Kia?
Look at a Kia and a Proton. Which one attracts you? A Kia. You make an ugly, lazily designed Proton car, and wishes everybody to like it?
The Korean govt doesn’t imposed such heavy taxes on their own cars. Our govt does! Myvi shouldn’t even cost 50k. Should be more in the region of 35k. Thanks to the tax, we get budget cars for premium prices.
So many people comment, haha… My dua sen, proton need to create vios quality car at saga price and altis quality car at persona price, other car can rebadge cause the sales quantity won’t be worth it…
Dear Tan Sri Mohd Khamil Jamil,
The key to boost up Proton sales is quality. Quiet car cabin resulted quiet comments. Take note that customer always wright. If customers compare and choose not to buy from you.Blame yourself, search for room of improvement and compare your product with your rival’s before decide to sell again.
true or not…rm500 for profit…comeon.. most likely rm500 declared…another rm1k or soo in the pocket of some high position person who over look on Proton..who knows right…everyone keep their eyes on $$$ nothing comes good for the consumer….they really need to rethink their strategy on the buying power of Malaysians… every expect comes into account…value…money…quality…local car….etc….as our economy/imports/exports is going backwards/dropping very bad …
Just my humble 2cents.
tan sri, tak payah jual dalam malaysia, export semua pun ok..
I plan to buy proton preve this year but with premium version is so expensive compare to same class with import cars especially from japan. Now i reconsider either to buy proton car or perodua instead. Any advice?
“Riding on Success of lotus”
What success has lotus achieved?????
Overpriced, unreliable, unpractical and NOT SELLING.
Senang je nak bagi sale up… mintak kat najib pengecualian cukai eksais bagi kereta proton.. sebagai ganti kos R&D. Berebut org tempah kereta proton. Patutnya bukan harga kereta diturunkan, cukai eksais yang patut diturunkan… tu yg untung 500 je sbb nk jual murah tapi kos naik.