During the media preview and drive event for the Proton Exora MPV last week in Cyberjaya, Proton had a whole room dedicated to a tech exhibition showcasing the technologies that went into the new Proton Exora. Of course alot of these stuff isn’t exactly cutting edge but are unique at this price segment for this model, and alot of them also represent their first time of usage in a Proton. I wanted you to feel like you were there so I snapped photos of as many slides and items as possible. Look after the jump for a full gallery of the Exora tech exhibition.
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so this is the behind-the-scene process… interesting~
cheers!
Paul:
I guess, some sketch look cool than actual Exora. How about you? Is it due to engineering difficulty/costly to produce they were not incorporated in final Exora? By the way, not bad for local talents.
Nice efforts Paul. Put all you had seen..
Wow ….
and that's Malaysian ???
Not bad huh ? Proud to be one ..
Imho, a lot of these cool designs were push aside due to the price factor.
wah paul u actually stayed up all night doin all these post ar? Wah must thank u a lot o…
Fyi…proton already done this 9 or 10 years ago!
So the hype and the waiting have ended. it’s finally here. There’s some interesting fact here i like to share with you especially what was mention during the launch.
The Exora name:-
1. The winner come with a tag line of ‘keriangan Keluarga’ so where is it? The tagline now is ‘Anda pasti tergezut’ (Terpegun actually.
2. Those at TV1 pronounce it as Accsora instead of Exora (something sound like exhaust). Hmm… Wrong pronouncation or Bahasa Baku?
The MD:-
1. Wow, the presentation look like a launch for I-Pod. kudos to this. the way he present he really know what it is all about. this mean he follow through all the design to manufacturing process.
2. For the first time the ‘behind the curtain’ people have their say. All the team members involved. this is good. We can also see Azlano.
3. He has been in proton for 3 years, and it is translated into 3 new best selling model. Thank god his contract extended.
4. The video from the launch suggest proton done an extensive research and market survey. this is good. Even the infamous power window failure in Proton’s car synically put into their mind. good job.
5. It’s an international Product. Another good point.
6. They come with the final product in 18 months. Wow. A lot of savings here just never jeopardise safety aspects.
7. Proton slowly has the old face but with Toyota/Perodua heart in it. Why? Syed Zainal said they do extensive market survey and research. They come out with the right product for the right market.
The price:-
1. It’s competitive. I hope it will long last. I wonder when will Toyota and Nissan cut their MPV’s price soon.
2. The competitive price also mean Waja will be defunct sooner than we think.
Kudos to them. Just make sure not to be arrogant after this just like before. Just like what Najib said, failure is not an option for proton. Still, wait in coming 2 years these 1st batch will be recalled. Even big companies do this.
Read more: http://paultan.org/archives/2009/04/15/proton-exo…
erm…nice effort P1……..cant wait this car to be transform like truely malaysian taste…haha, i mean make-up la..
Congratulation to proton team
I like the way Dato' CEO present the EXORA last night….mcm kat obersi..
Good job PT
i seen this during proton exhibition at utm
finally , proton did there best……good job …thk paul…
[quote comment="230355"]Fyi…proton already done this 9 or 10 years ago![/quote]
wow, but they only achieved veli little…
minus the development of the engine (assuming that they used petronas EO1 engine), they can achieve more bcos they have more fund for R&D
anyone who own avanza 1.5…
have anythiing to say??
Paul, great job, thanks for sharing this lot with us. deeply appreciated.
Dear Paul,
Kudos to you! Proton should have given u a 'pingat'! :-)
Don't know about you, but the boot space picture with a golf bag looks disturbingly like a body bag in the boot at first glance!
Exora's key feels rather cheap plasticky, although it looks great
FYI, this is KOREAN Design. Nothing to proud of,
The WAJA replacement design also will do by Japan.
Thanks Paul.
Clear evidence that Proton Design Team is able to come out with modern styling and designs, just that the top management has taken steps to make sure that the
finalised design appeals to everybody. Some of the concepts / proposals are really, really nice (nice job, Azlano and the team!) on par or even better than all the
foreign MPV designs put together,… but maybe a bit too extreme for the general Malaysian taste ( and to modern!) for the present time.
Nevertheless it proves that, again, Proton REALLY has the capabilities.
Congrats, Proton ! Welcome, Exora.
TJCC unite!
Proton? Whatever man…been cheating the rakyat with inferior and overpriced junks for decades and it should just vanish lah…
Maybe Porsche should sue Proton for copying its variable cam phase system OR most likely its borrowed from the german sports car maker. I would like to hear more of this. It certainly is not original although I would be glad if they actually had some 'foreign' technology applied, at least we know it works, because Proton is afterall an international automaker.
Platform sharing pushes the envelope for manufacturers and how it is applied bear fruit to how clever platform sharing can be. I have to admit Proton has been lagging so far behind in this department, a concept that is absolutely crucial for large quatity production vehicle manufacturers goes to show previous people helding the post in Proton were really incompetent. Thank god that is over and we have it now.
I wonder if the Exora's platform can be coverted for the CRV/RAV4 catergory, streatching a shaft towards the rear for 4WD application. A mini SUV and a coupe style car with an open top version for export are other areas to exploit this platform.
Something interesting I found at Protons own website is the VIM technology "Air is supplied to the valves by the engine’s intake manifold. Variable intake Manifold technology intelligently changes the rate of “breathing” according to the engine speed. At low speed, air will drawn through the Long Runner manifold. The resulting slower air flow allows more efficient, thorough mixing of air with fuel. At high speeds, the Short Runner takes over to supply more air for combustion, faster. "
After reading that, it never mentioned anything regarding the very reason why variable intake tract system works, exploiting intake harmonics and ram pulse pressure fluctuation from intake end to end. Nowhere in the world you will see people wanting 'slow air' coming into the engine at low rp/m (as mentioned on thier website) because this will result in lacking of both swirl for good burning and fuel atomization hahaha absolute joke. Maybe they just copy the tech or the person they got to write it is just paid to write.
Generally, the platform sharing and engine technology is a primary plus, cushion crash control also shows Proton is going where the world is taking it, finally, now, lets see how their customer relation.service responds.
One thing….
(Just teh tarik talk la…)
Why? Too difficult to bolt on turbo unit to the engine ka..?
Even Ah Beng out there can do in 2/3 days ma…
If not for export (afraid Mat Saleh will lough at proton), domestic will take like goreng pisang panas what. Who care the engine meets what Euro std, as long as it is powerful.
Hydroforming? Tailor blanks?
You can find them back on models like Golf Mk3, E46 and others germany of that era…
But at least you might still not seen them on Toyota's current models (mind you people). They always late. But like Autocar says, when they do it, they are like 'big ship turning'!
proton haters!! here u go u goin to eat their ashes…!!
Coming up next, Proton Supercar, based on Lotus Europa!! Cheez dats goin to be rockin……huhu
PAUL… last night i saw on tv during the launching..if im not wrong i saw a Black Exora with bodykits? Correct me if im wrong.? Even the door has a Chrome Side Finish. Do you have the photos of that particular exora ?
[quote comment="230317"]Paul:
I guess, some sketch look cool than actual Exora. How about you? Is it due to engineering difficulty/costly to produce they were not incorporated in final Exora? By the way, not bad for local talents.[/quote]
yeah.. i agree.. we can design or sketch anything.. when we want to produce.. we know is difficult. ckp senang.. nk buat tu susah..
Not really interesting…others have done many things even far ahead than P1. I'm not Proton basher la.. but I wish to see Proton moving forwards aggressively, especially on quality aspect still an issue until now….service quality hancuss…not friendly…too slow…
Anyway, as Malaysian I feel proud of you Proton..at least we have "original" national car unlike NAZA, INOKOM, Perodua…which are also obtained National car status but…just tukar bagde je…
Too wide and too long, parking sure will be a problem.
[quote comment="230437"]Maybe Porsche should sue Proton for copying its variable cam phase system OR most likely its borrowed from the german sports car maker. [/quote]
Proton didn't copy Porsches 'Variocam' variable cam phasing. The bit in question is the 2 stage valve lift which part of teh system used in Variocam PLUS.
Porsche also did not invent the 2 stage valve lift mechanism found in the Variocam PLUS and now in CPS. They bought the rights to use the technology.
Find out who created it and it will knock your socks off :)
[quote comment="230457"]PAUL… last night i saw on tv during the launching..if im not wrong i saw a Black Exora with bodykits? Correct me if im wrong.? Even the door has a Chrome Side Finish. Do you have the photos of that particular exora ?[/quote]
yes paul..i saw it too..was it different than the prime concept??
Good Job Proton…. I will book new one by today… I'm really like this kind of design…. more powerfull…. CPS engine… new transmission design.. wow…
Well still VTEC is the best… :P
[quote comment="230392"]anyone who own avanza 1.5…
have anythiing to say??[/quote]
avanza is avanza..exora is exora..pls dont start any childish argument. tq.
[quote comment="230492"]Too wide and too long, parking sure will be a problem.[/quote]
for the non-skilled driver like you..haha.. ;-)
Paul whats is the meaing of EXORA? My english mate is asking so obvously it ain't English. Name was given by a malay school teacher I believe who won the naming contest
just dropped into a proton show room to take a look. I must say I am impressed, the interior space is better than its closest rival Livina, I especially like the fold flat back seats. The "body control module" must be some form of multiplex wiring seen in many european cars. I hope it does not require proton service center's to reset the CPU every time the battery need to be changed. The 1.6 engine looks a bit lost in the vast engine bay, but I think the power should be adequate for family use.
[quote comment="230492"]Too wide and too long, parking sure will be a problem.[/quote]
haiya…ini macam punya komen pun ada ka?
Just return from EON Showroom. I think this is the best designed Proton model to date. The front is perfect. The interior is minimalist but do the job for me. The little detail for the interior also commendable. My only complain is the rear brake/signal light. They overdid the design & make it too complex & out of place with the rest of the car.
Tips for Proton: Now they should go out there & redo all the existing model like – Savvy, Persona/Gen2, Waja & the maybe the next Perdana replacement – redesign the front by following the Exora design. This is how Proton should shoot for. Elegant & sporty at the same time. Good job Proton.
[quote comment="230495"][quote comment="230457"]PAUL… last night i saw on tv during the launching..if im not wrong i saw a Black Exora with bodykits? Correct me if im wrong.? Even the door has a Chrome Side Finish. Do you have the photos of that particular exora ?[/quote]
yes paul..i saw it too..was it different than the prime concept??[/quote]
the black Exora on show is the EXORA PRESTIGE. i think its beter than the white one. its like a very premium mpv with biggg lcd screen. check out the link in one of the comment in Proton Exora Prime Concept posting.
Another Tip for Proton:
Now they should ensure that all their service centres are prepared to give the best service to customers. The best product will not help Proton sell more vehicels if they cannot support with proper after sales, which to me is the biggest concern now for the Proton brand. Designing good cars is not the problem.
Good job proton……..wished you could have woke up much earlier. But its never too late. Just dont rest on your laurels after this. You must know how to handle success.
Put in plans for facelifted Exora in 1-2 years with a 2liter version or more and with more features like bi-xenon lightings, traction control, stability control, power seats, head up display etc, well, it may costs more but Malaysians will continue to support you……
[quote comment="230432"]Proton? Whatever man…been cheating the rakyat with inferior and overpriced junks for decades and it should just vanish lah…[/quote] I agree with you Potong. While I agree that the design and interior is quite impressive, without proton we can get Japanese make at this price too with better quality, fuel consumption, durability and etc. This price is not that cheap. Don't be duped or maybe many malaysians are still very rich. They can afford even during this global economic crisis!!!What about interest rates??Like Myvi good selling model want to charge 3.8% interest!!!Lets wait 2 or 3 years and see anybody complains about its quality???!!!
[quote comment="230437"]Maybe Porsche should sue Proton for copying its variable cam phase system OR most likely its borrowed from the german sports car maker. I would like to hear more of this. .[/quote]
JPS The Sabahan, The Porsche variable cam phase system was actually licensed to Porsche AG by LOTUS ENGINEERING…
I hope proton will continue to keep up technically with the world and not present Exora and slack for the next ten years. It would be a real shame if the same exora is still around for same after ten years. They have started the race, but are atleast 5 years behind. Nevertheless, better now then never.
"BCM" is nothing new. Its been around in jap cars for over 5 years.
[quote comment="230521"]Paul whats is the meaing of EXORA? My english mate is asking so obvously it ain't English. Name was given by a malay school teacher I believe who won the naming contest[/quote]
Supposingly "Exora" came from "Ixora" which is a kind of flower, which made of bundles of small flowers and indicate the spirit of being together.
Although they mention cannot use flower names, Exora is came from flower.
[quote comment="230586"][quote comment="230437"]Maybe Porsche should sue Proton for copying its variable cam phase system OR most likely its borrowed from the german sports car maker. I would like to hear more of this. .[/quote]
JPS The Sabahan, The Porsche variable cam phase system was actually licensed to Porsche AG by LOTUS ENGINEERING…[/quote]
Maybe Paul should do a post on this. I'm sure many are so lazy to Google it.
From how the CEO pronounced it…
It sound like ezzora
proton haters, y don't u get a life man ?
eat some s*** or watever rubbish u do best.
u'll love that…
[quote comment="230425"]FYI, this is KOREAN Design. Nothing to proud of,
The WAJA replacement design also will do by Japan.[/quote]
no…i guess ur wrong please don't say that. i've worked in Proton R&D till last March, and I took part in designing Exora's interior. FYI, the designs, the shape, EVERYTHING that U see is designed by Proton Styling. the Korean Consultants only designed the engineering. Designing the engineering means designing each part's thickness, safety and so on.
come on la… be proud. you think malaysians r so stupid ka? have some faith man..
[quote comment="230584"][quote comment="230432"]Proton? Whatever man…been cheating the rakyat with inferior and overpriced junks for decades and it should just vanish lah…[/quote] I agree with you Potong. While I agree that the design and interior is quite impressive, without proton we can get Japanese make at this price too with better quality, fuel consumption, durability and etc. This price is not that cheap. Don't be duped or maybe many malaysians are still very rich. They can afford even during this global economic crisis!!!What about interest rates??Like Myvi good selling model want to charge 3.8% interest!!!Lets wait 2 or 3 years and see anybody complains about its quality???!!![/quote]
do you know how the figure pops out?? more people buy, the cheaper each part be. U know why Proton cars cannot become cheap? beacuse of U people la… condemning the national car, and not buying it. toyota, honda they all have great volumes. ex) if 1 mould is RM1000, devide by 10buyers, each part shall be RM100. if the mould is devided by 1000 buyers, the price of each part shall decrase to RM1!
For the technology, malaysians must have more RnD fund. and study more, of course. huhuh
[quote comment="230604"][quote comment="230521"]Paul whats is the meaing of EXORA? My english mate is asking so obvously it ain't English. Name was given by a malay school teacher I believe who won the naming contest[/quote]
Supposingly "Exora" came from "Ixora" which is a kind of flower, which made of bundles of small flowers and indicate the spirit of being together.
Although they mention cannot use flower names, Exora is came from flower.[/quote]
ixora, yes a flower.
exora, not a flower.
exora is inspired from ixora.
cannot have direct usage like "ixora".
like "saga", it's a fruit seed, whose color is red.
say if the rule applies here:
"saga" cannot be used.
maybe "sage" can be used.
:)
[quote comment="230445"]One thing….
(Just teh tarik talk la…)
Why? Too difficult to bolt on turbo unit to the engine ka..?
Even Ah Beng out there can do in 2/3 days ma…
If not for export (afraid Mat Saleh will lough at proton), domestic will take like goreng pisang panas what. Who care the engine meets what Euro std, as long as it is powerful.
[/quote]
yeahh.. it's easy to bolt in turbo.. but can this ah beng guaranteed it for 3 years? all proton cars are at lease 3 years warranty, i guess that's why they are very careful in doing it..
[quote comment="230510"][quote comment="230392"]anyone who own avanza 1.5…
have anythiing to say??[/quote]
avanza is avanza..exora is exora..pls dont start any childish argument. tq.[/quote]
AVANZA IS SELLING FOR RM30K at Indonesia.
they started introducing front end module.
thats good!
Paul, did they introduce cock pit module also??
[quote comment="230658"][quote comment="230510"][quote comment="230392"]anyone who own avanza 1.5…
have anythiing to say??[/quote]
avanza is avanza..exora is exora..pls dont start any childish argument. tq.[/quote]
AVANZA IS SELLING FOR RM30K at Indonesia.[/quote]
so you better go and living in indonesia.
you dont want? why? car cheap there maaa?
[quote comment="230492"]Too wide and too long, parking sure will be a problem.[/quote]
maybe ur to short man.
[quote comment="230391"][quote comment="230355"]Fyi…proton already done this 9 or 10 years ago![/quote]
wow, but they only achieved veli little…
minus the development of the engine (assuming that they used petronas EO1 engine), they can achieve more bcos they have more fund for R&D[/quote]
stupid a**hole, Proton only took 18 months to develop evora….
Avanza 133 juta lah……. rupiah ehehe. Even if convert, that's abt RM44k++, so unless its second hand, that's not enuf.
Gotta love the concept sketches here: http://paultan.org/photo/Exora-Tech-Exhibition/P1…
Hmm… I nvr knew airbag's ECU that small before.
Now its time for proton big shot to go out this platform to Mitshubishi, TATA, Cherry or whoever need to rebadge a car
Exora sure be the hottest cake in town… Avanza n Livina sale sure will be affected…..but the third row seat is too close the base
nice car…..
I thinking that most malaysian don't think about how the thing be done. They just talk with no point. Please think again malaysian, like BCM unit how much did the price we have to pay when you buy BMW or some luxury car ?. How much cost to develope the new platform. Adakah design tu pakai hentam lukis aje tanpa menghiraukan aspek ergonomik & fungsi. Berapakah kos yang perlu R&D keluarkan bila sesuatu design tu tak melepasi tahap ujian yang diperlukan ?. DENGAR SINI RAKYAT MALAYSIA. ANDA SEMUA TAK PERNAH MENGHARGAI PENAT LELAH & KERINGAT RAKYAT MALAYSIA YANG MEREKA CIPTA SEBUAH KENDERAAN YANG MELAMBANGKAN MALAYSIA. Mintak maaf nak katakan yang sebenarnya rakyat malaysia tak cukup bersyukur dengan apa yang ada. Seperti pepatah "Dah bagi betis, nak Paha pulak". Amboi banyak cantik…. Dulu jepun jajah malaysia dengan tentera, sekarang pun kita kena jajah secara diam. Tak pulak kita sedar yang duit kita mengalir keluar. Cakap pandai sampai nak bandingkan harga kenderaan malaysia dengan negara jiran. kalau nak sangat murah pergi beli kat sana, tinggal kat sana. Lepas tu jangan cakap pulak yang belanja hidup kat sana tak cukup. Sememang RAKYAT MALAYSIA TAK TAHU DEK UNTUNG… :[
really impressive , really undervalue ……should be RM 85 K ++
bye-bye to avanza , grand livina , rondo , …..even innova
[quote comment="230658"][quote comment="230510"][quote comment="230392"]anyone who own avanza 1.5…
have anythiing to say??[/quote]
avanza is avanza..exora is exora..pls dont start any childish argument. tq.[/quote]
AVANZA IS SELLING FOR RM30K at Indonesia.[/quote]
great then… go move to Indonesia and you can ride on your cheaper priced car and watch all the riots on the street there…or better enough, those riots will burn you car during their protest to their government but then i think its ok with you, its cheaper for you to go back to the showroom and buy another one…
Waa… marah tu inital R.
Relaxs man… ignore the ignorant.
Maybe they still in early stage about automotive passionate.
Know just small thing, talk like they a engineer.
Maybe they just got P licence.. too excited about car.
Just give a related and informative comments for all of us that accept the automotive industry in malaysia in healthy perspective.
Cheers to exora.. this is good man..
haha the comments by both sides never failed to amaze me. lets go proton lets go!
[quote comment="230492"]Too wide and too long, parking sure will be a problem.[/quote]
haha… laughing when i read this… really stupid comment… go buy savvy lar kalau nak parking senang… if that is ur only reason to buy one, senang parking, better beli basikal lar… maybe can transport 7 ppl on ur new basikal?
hey guys, i missed the launching ceremony at TV1 last nite. heard dat syed zainal gave a "world class" speech. love to see that. anyone know where can i watch it?
Tapi kelemahan paling ketara ialah finishing. Langsung tidak kemas dan nampak seperti bahan yang digunakan adalah bahan murahan. Plastik murahan.
outside.. cunnnn .. tapi dalam FAIL…. wa rasa itu proton patut buang itu interior designer.. and all the vendor2 for bahagian dalam… dashboard, steering.. peh..buruk gila material dia.. amik mana plastik2 tuh? dari
kedai tuppeware…
itu engin.. apa kecik sangat? aku bawak livina 1.6 pung semput.. tak tau
lah aku proton claim dia punya sudah cukup powerz.. biar btoi… nie
enjin WRC ke????
how much of the fuel of 1 km?
Yes Dato' Syed was very good. It was very engaging. Very good. it delivered the msg about what the Exora was all bout, why they build it. What the objectives were. The importance and significance of this model to Proton's development.
I think many STILL fail to understand the difference between Proton and the other 'national cars'. Proton is the only one that requires vast amounts of money for R&D.
In the last few years, under Dato Syed Zainal, it is clear that Proton realigned its direction. They started listening to customers and building cars people wanted, not cars that the management 'thinks' should be 'right' for the market.
Though they're not there yet with the big boys. Whats clear is they are at least pointed the right way. And they ARE progressing, not in large leaps but in steps. All they have to do is to keep at it. Keep improving. It takes time, sure, but at least they've got the destination right.
The new SAGA is the first all new product under Dato Syed's management and it is a hit. Now the EXORA is also a hit. Tun Mahathir must be proud that Proton is listening to people.
The priority now is profitability with good bread and butter models. Exciting 'Specials' like the Neo or some sporty product is good but should not be the priority at this point time. Such brand enhancing models(satria GTi etc) can come later. Survivability in the global marketplace is the highest priority right now.
[quote comment="230800"]outside.. cunnnn .. tapi dalam FAIL…. wa rasa itu proton patut buang itu interior designer.. and all the vendor2 for bahagian dalam…
dashboard, steering.. peh..buruk gila material dia.. amik mana plastik2 tuh? dari
kedai tuppeware…
itu engin.. apa kecik sangat? aku bawak livina 1.6 pung semput.. tak tau
lah aku proton claim dia punya sudah cukup powerz.. biar btoi… nie
enjin WRC ke????[/quote]
Go test drive THEN give us your feedback
dato CEO present with know text..seem like he is very optimis about the proton future..like form his mind..this Malaysia Boleh spirit..leadership that we can see..he may got too much idea..that will spread to proton ..how about chief designer resign to WV ..anyone?
[quote comment="230757"]I thinking that most malaysian don't think about how the thing be done. They just talk with no point. Please think again malaysian, like BCM unit how much did the price we have to pay when you buy BMW or some luxury car ?. How much cost to develope the new platform. Adakah design tu pakai hentam lukis aje tanpa menghiraukan aspek ergonomik & fungsi. Berapakah kos yang perlu R&D keluarkan bila sesuatu design tu tak melepasi tahap ujian yang diperlukan ?. DENGAR SINI RAKYAT MALAYSIA. ANDA SEMUA TAK PERNAH MENGHARGAI PENAT LELAH & KERINGAT RAKYAT MALAYSIA YANG MEREKA CIPTA SEBUAH KENDERAAN YANG MELAMBANGKAN MALAYSIA. Mintak maaf nak katakan yang sebenarnya rakyat malaysia tak cukup bersyukur dengan apa yang ada. Seperti pepatah "Dah bagi betis, nak Paha pulak". Amboi banyak cantik…. Dulu jepun jajah malaysia dengan tentera, sekarang pun kita kena jajah secara diam. Tak pulak kita sedar yang duit kita mengalir keluar. Cakap pandai sampai nak bandingkan harga kenderaan malaysia dengan negara jiran. kalau nak sangat murah pergi beli kat sana, tinggal kat sana. Lepas tu jangan cakap pulak yang belanja hidup kat sana tak cukup. Sememang RAKYAT MALAYSIA TAK TAHU DEK UNTUNG… :[[/quote]
As a Malaysian, being patriotic to support Proton or not is not the point. Kita pun orang yang guna otak. What's the reason BMW and other cars T/H/N etc are so expensive? Why would people take up 7yrs. 9yrs loan for non-national cars? I'm no proton basher, i own one.. that's why i can say i really regret getting it. Going for Grade C/D parts to lower costs which has 50% chance or failure is not value for money. Export models are far better but lower price, why? Overseas higher standard and Msia ppl no standard??
Orang Jepun buat kereta, kita pun buat kereta. Local japanese get best quality, kita? Why local taxi has export grade cars but we pay our hard earned money for low grade cars?
Once bitten twice never….
perodua also hv a journy with mpv..good competition..
but cant simply do comment about perodua rebadge the daihatsu..coz we dont know what they doing..dont simply say that rebagde is easy..but im proud with proton.
bro carman,
dh test drive ker?
thanks to Paul…really know their viewer want..got manyak tinggi rating sih..
[quote comment="230856"]
As a Malaysian, being patriotic to support Proton or not is not the point. Kita pun orang yang guna otak. What's the reason BMW and other cars T/H/N etc are so expensive? Why would people take up 7yrs. 9yrs loan for non-national cars? I'm no proton basher, i own one.. that's why i can say i really regret getting it. Going for Grade C/D parts to lower costs which has 50% chance or failure is not value for money. Export models are far better but lower price, why? Overseas higher standard and Msia ppl no standard??
Orang Jepun buat kereta, kita pun buat kereta. Local japanese get best quality, kita? Why local taxi has export grade cars but we pay our hard earned money for low grade cars?
Once bitten twice never….[/quote]
Your view sounds typical of the Proton of 10 years ago. What Proton model do you own? Why not have a look at the current new models. They're nothing like the old Protons.
I urge you risk letting yourself be bitten twice. It will be a much nicer kind of bite :) Just drop by the nearest Proton showroom to see what I mean.
The truth is, all cars have problems, even T/H/N cars. I've told the story of my Honda City so many times I've lost count! Proton is evolving, and the Exora I think is the genesis of a new Proton. Go check it out before forming your opinions…
[quote comment="230642"][quote comment="230425"]FYI, this is KOREAN Design. Nothing to proud of,
The WAJA replacement design also will do by Japan.[/quote]
no…i guess ur wrong please don't say that. i've worked in Proton R&D till last March, and I took part in designing Exora's interior. FYI, the designs, the shape, EVERYTHING that U see is designed by Proton Styling. the Korean Consultants only designed the engineering. Designing the engineering means designing each part's thickness, safety and so on.
come on la… be proud. you think malaysians r so stupid ka? have some faith man..[/quote]
I'm glad you've explained that, ppl like him got t bone stuck in his throat..
the blue one proton's mpv sketching & designing is more GEMPAK!!!!
Protons are for middle-income peoples (less than 10k per month). For those getting higher than 10k per month, just forget about proton. Go for honda and toyota.
[quote comment="230648"][quote comment="230584"][quote comment="230432"]Proton? Whatever man…been cheating the rakyat with inferior and overpriced junks for decades and it should just vanish lah…[/quote] I agree with you Potong. While I agree that the design and interior is quite impressive, without proton we can get Japanese make at this price too with better quality, fuel consumption, durability and etc. This price is not that cheap. Don't be duped or maybe many malaysians are still very rich. They can afford even during this global economic crisis!!!What about interest rates??Like Myvi good selling model want to charge 3.8% interest!!!Lets wait 2 or 3 years and see anybody complains about its quality???!!![/quote]
do you know how the figure pops out?? more people buy, the cheaper each part be. U know why Proton cars cannot become cheap? beacuse of U people la… condemning the national car, and not buying it. toyota, honda they all have great volumes. ex) if 1 mould is RM1000, devide by 10buyers, each part shall be RM100. if the mould is devided by 1000 buyers, the price of each part shall decrase to RM1!
For the technology, malaysians must have more RnD fund. and study more, of course. huhuh[/quote]
What talking you ? Look at the old Saga ! How much was it sold for the last time before the new Saga launched ? RM34K++ ? More than 1 million units sold ! Did the price come down ? No, it did not ! Why price never go down after 20 years for one old model ? Wira also thing, which Wira rear bumper never dropped or out of alignment after two years of usage ? It was only a moving cost to produce the old Saga then, why price from RM18K shot to RM34K++ some more down grade to 1.3 selling at RM34K++ ! Worst still look at the old Saga design from original to become worst in terms of quality used, all hard plastic. Simply do a facelift that spoilt the outlook of the car ! And, best was glove compartment gone ! All this base on your above 'explanation'. Care to give excuses some more you ?
[quote comment="231026"][quote comment="230648"][quote comment="230584"][quote comment="230432"]Proton? Whatever man…been cheating the rakyat with inferior and overpriced junks for decades and it should just vanish lah…[/quote] I agree with you Potong. While I agree that the design and interior is quite impressive, without proton we can get Japanese make at this price too with better quality, fuel consumption, durability and etc. This price is not that cheap. Don't be duped or maybe many malaysians are still very rich. They can afford even during this global economic crisis!!!What about interest rates??Like Myvi good selling model want to charge 3.8% interest!!!Lets wait 2 or 3 years and see anybody complains about its quality???!!![/quote]
do you know how the figure pops out?? more people buy, the cheaper each part be. U know why Proton cars cannot become cheap? beacuse of U people la… condemning the national car, and not buying it. toyota, honda they all have great volumes. ex) if 1 mould is RM1000, devide by 10buyers, each part shall be RM100. if the mould is devided by 1000 buyers, the price of each part shall decrase to RM1!
For the technology, malaysians must have more RnD fund. and study more, of course. huhuh[/quote]
What talking you ? Look at the old Saga ! How much was it sold for the last time before the new Saga launched ? RM34K++ ? More than 1 million units sold ! Did the price come down ? No, it did not ! Why price never go down after 20 years for one old model ? Wira also thing, which Wira rear bumper never dropped or out of alignment after two years of usage ? It was only a moving cost to produce the old Saga then, why price from RM18K shot to RM34K++ some more down grade to 1.3 selling at RM34K++ ! Worst still look at the old Saga design from original to become worst in terms of quality used, all hard plastic. Simply do a facelift that spoilt the outlook of the car ! And, best was glove compartment gone ! All this base on your above 'explanation'. Care to give excuses some more you ?[/quote]
Bro,
Itu zaman TM, skang DSZ. Also remember, itu design, drawing as per MMC spec. Even certain drawing pon tak ada, kene mintak sama MMC. part no pon MB XXXXXX maksud dari mistubishi. you still bayar royalty bro. Bila zaman TM, part no jadi PW XXXXXX, ini proton develop sendiry. Ini banayk quality problem plak.
[quote comment="230780"][quote comment="230658"][quote comment="230510"][quote comment="230392"]anyone who own avanza 1.5…
have anythiing to say??[/quote]
avanza is avanza..exora is exora..pls dont start any childish argument. tq.[/quote]
AVANZA IS SELLING FOR RM30K at Indonesia.[/quote]
great then… go move to Indonesia and you can ride on your cheaper priced car and watch all the riots on the street there…or better enough, those riots will burn you car during their protest to their government but then i think its ok with you, its cheaper for you to go back to the showroom and buy another one…[/quote]
Hahah, FUNNY….
Seems like malaysian are happy being ROB by the gov.
selling u expansive car with low quality,
and somehow, Malaysian still belive we are doing the Design.
after so many years of protection from gov,
bought over Lotus engineering.
we are still depanding on other's to do the design.
we are just manufacural, doing the production
just like the Indonesian worker that construct the Houses.
just DO and DO and know nothing.
and can be replaced by other's anytime.
[quote comment="231080"]
Hahah, FUNNY….
Seems like malaysian are happy being ROB by the gov.
selling u expansive car with low quality,
and somehow, Malaysian still belive we are doing the Design.
after so many years of protection from gov,
bought over Lotus engineering.
we are still depanding on other's to do the design.
we are just manufacural, doing the production
just like the Indonesian worker that construct the Houses.
just DO and DO and know nothing.
and can be replaced by other's anytime.[/quote]
Absolutely worthless comment with nothing but conjecture and zero facts. Drop by the Proton centre of excellence or the Tg Malim, have at least a hint of what goes on in there and then give yourself a pat on the back for embracing the year 2009
[quote comment="231080"] Hahah, FUNNY….
Seems like malaysian are happy being ROB by the gov.
selling u expansive car with low quality,
and somehow, Malaysian still belive we are doing the Design.
after so many years of protection from gov,
bought over Lotus engineering.
we are still depanding on other's to do the design.
we are just manufacural, doing the production
just like the Indonesian worker that construct the Houses.
just DO and DO and know nothing.
and can be replaced by other's anytime.[/quote]
Most ignorant and useless comments i have ever read in PT…. do as ferruccio said… go to TM production plant, go to COE and pls make a special request to visit proton R&D (since u missed the technology day) and pls see and learn what those engineers that u claim as "just DO and DO and know nothing" are actually doing…
if u still have the same view.. then i believe it is hopeless for you…
[quote comment="230780"][quote comment="230658"][quote comment="230510"][quote comment="230392"]anyone who own avanza 1.5…
have anythiing to say??[/quote]
avanza is avanza..exora is exora..pls dont start any childish argument. tq.[/quote]
AVANZA IS SELLING FOR RM30K at Indonesia.[/quote]
great then… go move to Indonesia and you can ride on your cheaper priced car and watch all the riots on the street there…or better enough, those riots will burn you car during their protest to their government but then i think its ok with you, its cheaper for you to go back to the showroom and buy another one…[/quote]
i thn gelak masa tgh baca komen u,mendalam maksud komen u
sesetengah rakyat malaysia tak tau nk bersyukur,heii….
[quote comment="230878"][quote comment="230856"]
As a Malaysian, being patriotic to support Proton or not is not the point. Kita pun orang yang guna otak. What's the reason BMW and other cars T/H/N etc are so expensive? Why would people take up 7yrs. 9yrs loan for non-national cars? I'm no proton basher, i own one.. that's why i can say i really regret getting it. Going for Grade C/D parts to lower costs which has 50% chance or failure is not value for money. Export models are far better but lower price, why? Overseas higher standard and Msia ppl no standard??
Orang Jepun buat kereta, kita pun buat kereta. Local japanese get best quality, kita? Why local taxi has export grade cars but we pay our hard earned money for low grade cars?
Once bitten twice never….[/quote]
Your view sounds typical of the Proton of 10 years ago. What Proton model do you own? Why not have a look at the current new models. They're nothing like the old Protons.
I urge you risk letting yourself be bitten twice. It will be a much nicer kind of bite :) Just drop by the nearest Proton showroom to see what I mean.[/quote]
Hello ferruccio,
Actually i don't have to let myself be bitten twice, I just view the proton owners forums and I know the same problems still exist after 10 yrs. Power window problems on the Persona, anyone?
Don't get me wrong, at the end of the day, it's still Proton management who decides to order those parts. Suppliers just supply their demand. But is citizens who end up suffering with many hours in SC with foreman saying "Aiya.. proton memang macam itu la… " for problems reported.
Cheers
[quote comment="231263"]
Hello ferruccio,
Actually i don't have to let myself be bitten twice, I just view the proton owners forums and I know the same problems still exist after 10 yrs. Power window problems on the Persona, anyone?
Don't get me wrong, at the end of the day, it's still Proton management who decides to order those parts. Suppliers just supply their demand. But is citizens who end up suffering with many hours in SC with foreman saying "Aiya.. proton memang macam itu la… " for problems reported.
Cheers[/quote]
This is very true many years ago, but less so today. The Persona is essentially the Gen2, model created under the previous management and still going through it's life cycle.
I have personally owned or driven for extended periods the following Protons – '89 Saga 1.5i, Satria GTi, 2003 Saga LMSS, 2001 Perdana V6, 2007 Perdana V6, Satria Neo, Savvy.
The Power window problem is infamous. However I never had that problem in my Satria GTi after I sprayed silicone on the rubber lining. It is indeed a design flaw, produced by the vendor, of which Proton is also accountable for. Vendor agreements are binding, so without knowing the details of the commitments to the agreement, I can't say why it wasn't completely redesigned quickly.
However you should have watched the Exora launch on TV1. Dato' Syed addressed the power window issue HEAD-ON. He was not evasive about it at all and highlighted to everyone specificially on the power window issue which will NEVER occur in the Exora.
I have also never had any issues with power window in my 2 year old Neo. None whatsoever. The Neo was already a big improvement in design for Proton. it does have flaws such as head room but compared to previous older Protons the Neo is in a completely different league. Much much much better product, consistent shut lines, you can see the assembly, which is done in the proton factory is high quality. There are weaknesses, which tend to be parts supplied by the vendor, but for me at least nothing major and nothing which could not be rectified during service.
The SAGA is the first product under the new management. I was surprised, very roomy for its class, good interior and feel. Contemporary styling. Right product, right time, right price – as Proton calls it. Spot on. Now the EXORA. embodies the same values and pushing further with better value(more amenities, more technology)
To me Proton these days do not have a problem design good products. My concern now is their after sales. This I think is the current weak point, especially in the last year but which I know Proton is addressing right now.
Even after saying that, your comments "Aiya proton memang macam itu la.." ie. the 'Tidak Apa' attitude no longer holds true. At least in the centres that I send my cars to. That attitude was very true when I sent my cars many years ago. I was surprised by the impovement in their customer service. the service advisor was actually on MY SIDE when the technical side missed an item for service. They in fact called me to apologize for an oversight by the technician, and that they will rectify it immediately. i was not even aware of the mistake as I hadn't picked up my car yet, and it was a really minor issue but they took it seriously because it was a request from me.
Actually it was funny.. i asked for mach 5 to be filled in my car as I run in my new car that way. By mistake they put in the more expensive standard syntium 800 oil. They informed me of the mistake and charged me mach 5 price. It's actually a 'beneficial mistake' for me. :)
I am very familiar with cars and am a mechanic myself so I know when shops BS me. I have to admit my SC advisor is honest and sending my car for servicing has been a pleasant experience. They do LISTEN to customers complaints and they are not happy, like you, if the complaint is still there.
I noticed the number of staff in their SC (COE) seems a lot less these days, compared to a year ago, which may affect the customer's experience. Hope they improve this area soon. There is definitely room for improvement especially when compared to other manufacturer SCs but the cutsomer service team seems a lot better these days.
They even have a fleet of mobile team, the orange 'i.care' cars that go around the city at petronas stations. Any proton owner can have their car inspected, get a free assesment and do simple servicing on the spot.
im proud, need more upgrade on safety though
ABS only??,,
design tip top world class
MALAYSIA BOLEH
I appreciate you sharing your experience. However, to some like me the changes that are to be made by the new management may be too late. They have a lot of ground to cover, and since they've been 'protected' for so long, i'll be like learning to walk again. QC is the major concern here. Look at Hyundai and Kia. They may have started in similar ways, but in comparison as you can see in this blog, they are far more advanced and miles ahead in innovation.
The power window issue is nagging at most. But with all the 'new' tech in Exora (First for Proton), who knows what they have missed out! Malfunctioning sensor for air bag? I wonder why the past and current Proton cars aren't using this at the first place. Cheaper parts maybe?
I hope there isn't a case of "Aiya.. one sensor missing la, biasa la…" :O
I simply don't want me and my family to take the risk of being guinea pigs here…
Anyway, these are just my thoughts. It's up to you and everyone what they really want in a vehicle.
I think exora some sort of 'wish tiruan'
Proton Engineer need to investigate why the stering cannot lock after the key pull out during park…….refer with mannual operation book n others vehicle for comparision…..why?….
wow!best2,tahniah proton!
kat taman ak jerk dah lebih 20 exora.
termasuk aku pnyer,
MANTAP!